From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 09/01/10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" To: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:00:05 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? Hey, guys, Just seeking your input on which is the best way to go. Leon, what do you think of your Aerostitch, and would you consider the TourMaster or Joe Rocket varieties? First priority crash protection. Second priority weather protection and comfort. Third and distant priority cost. http://www.newenough.com/street/suits/textile_riding_suits Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing #806 _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:received :reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=k225FxOPlTYM89umjgohR3dyQJjZP+YI+b8Uk6+QQBE=; b=Tx3Td1a/KEvk15KV7q8XkYwbJPRFs80SH27DpTAZbEv3GFzBNfv3NMwCYNaYkLwxnQ q/+mn+blVea5vz08AvvoxALC6JLizM56mCeT5vuOdVJUqhdLg53XLVjBkT+Ww1aFVUsb 2UygcnIH86O1aIOtWy03d1ywMlGVdUBdQnt78= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:08:42 -0600 From: Jonathan Kalmes To: "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? You missed FirstGear... I have the TPG set and it would be my second choice. First choice would probably be Motoport, but I've never actually owned any, so that's just from examining on racks. Third choice would be Tourmaster. Joe Rocket next. Aerostitch last. Aerostitch is good stuff, but every suit I've ever seen by them has been very "roomy"... I wouldn't trust it to stay in place while bouncing down the road. My two cents, keep the change. On Aug 31, 2010 7:00 PM, "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" < celticracing@XXXXXX> wrote: > Hey, guys, > > > > Just seeking your input on which is the best way to go. Leon, what do you > think of your Aerostitch, and would you consider the TourMaster or Joe > Rocket varieties? First priority crash protection. Second priority weather > protection and comfort. Third and distant priority cost. > > > > http://www.newenough.com/street/suits/textile_riding_suits > > > > Tom Fitzpatrick > > Celtic Racing #806 > > > > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Authentication-Results: cm-omr2 smtp.user=dave@XXXXXX; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: dave@XXXXXX From: Dave Yates Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:24:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? On Aug 31, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III wrote: > Hey, guys, > > Just seeking your input on which is the best way to go. Leon, what do you > think of your Aerostitch, and would you consider the TourMaster or Joe > Rocket varieties? First priority crash protection. Second priority weather > protection and comfort. Third and distant priority cost. > > > > http://www.newenough.com/street/suits/textile_riding_suits [Dave] I have 2 practically identical 2 pc. Aerostich suits manufactured about 7 years apart. Unfortunately, I have first hand knowledge of how well the Stich holds up in a low speed get off. I have one of those fancy bohn back armor pieces that covers the whole back, shoulders & down to the tail bone. In my low speed asphalt surfing I caused about $120 of repairable damage to my original stich, about 2 patches and some stitching. I walked to the bike and rode home. I see that both suits have armor, and so does the stich, so these suits all seem to address the same need. I'd say either of the new enough suits would have better venting, a known weakness of the Roadcrafter. The mesh liner seems like it would be nice. I picked both of my roadcrafters up used, saving a couple hundred bucks each time. I bought the 2nd one because my first one has a couple issues I'll need to get repaired, and because I take my own gear with me when I ride overseas I figured it wouldn't hurt to have a suit the airlines could lose and not impact my riding when I got back. Not a problem so far. I do like the pocket layout of the Aerostich too FWIW. Using nikwax, I've gone through some pretty substantial storms here, in England, Scotland, Ireland & Switzerland. I've been very pleased with the rain performance of the Stich. I added Gerbings last year and the only limiting factor was fogging up my face shield. I think any of them will serve well as an all arounder. The Stich is kind of an industry icon; there are obviously some advances in materials & layout since they put the roadcrafter out but I'm not sure anyone has come out with a 'game changer' yet. HTH Dave _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Authentication-Results: cm-omr6 smtp.user=dave@XXXXXX; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: dave@XXXXXX From: Dave Yates Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:27:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? On Aug 31, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Jonathan Kalmes wrote: > Aerostitch is good stuff, but every suit I've ever seen by them has been > very "roomy"... I wouldn't trust it to stay in place while bouncing down the > road. > > My two cents, keep the change. [Dave] Yeah… it stays in place nicely while bouncing and/or sliding and the armor works surprisingly well. They can & will alter the suit to your specs, my first was purchased on this August list by someone about 2 inches longer in the inseam, easily fixed. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qiZHlLxrRpvTtGJ3aNf5Z85u3Mr08to52HW4diRoubE=; b=jLfn1DB7HPJ7Oi75xP3Cd401EKLkP2yvAx8uWh08ry0aMkQIfntNFLBb83cSZrjZ2T EOOrXK1KhHBudTHv0zmIAXdDlKu36NU/TIC5evz78blLC4CihNVz3kyhJC2XnRKQFNsj D1ZfuY3BCdAllIgOH4ct3xjJdlT9QpBXNOJ+M= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:41:38 -0400 From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? Joe Rocket is disposable gear, imo. I bought a bunch of Joe Rocket textile stuff a few years back (3 season jacket, summer jacket with leather sleeves, 3 season pants, summer pants). The seams failed just from daily wear and all but the summer jacket were replaced under warranty because of this (customer service was good). The summer jacket was replaced because the leather dye bled when it got rained on. The seams on all the replacement gear but the replacement summer jacket and those pieces went into the trash. I still have the replacement summer jacket and it is still holding up well but that's one piece of gear out of 8... I don't know about the tourmaster but I do know that I'll buy another aerostich when my current one is worn out (this is my 2nd, I "outgrew" the first one after about 10 years). Good crash protection and they just work well for the commuting that I do. Kirk On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III < celticracing@XXXXXX> wrote: > Hey, guys, > > > > Just seeking your input on which is the best way to go. Leon, what do you > think of your Aerostitch, and would you consider the TourMaster or Joe > Rocket varieties? First priority crash protection. Second priority > weather > protection and comfort. Third and distant priority cost. > > > > http://www.newenough.com/street/suits/textile_riding_suits > > > > Tom Fitzpatrick > > Celtic Racing #806 > > > > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ujNZVmHvDY8J1EFoNMNIjDqnhfSszUKSRfrDkc50KuU=; b=TL0GMr0gO9/SD/gM6rRAjA+Aud+Uped7pONlNW60TAKL4qg1sWh4U1sxdHKJ4C7Yfa +VnklyxBsx1n/5nLiWKWY6cuNXIWcdWekVVkRjrSDENxkqGd1WKpzIf/hG4Y/oxHzBIM qQjV8Uci17hooV6HlFbundMbD7Wpl2sPNTA5E= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:20:55 -0400 From: Patrick Mullen To: smthngelse@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > Aerostitch is good stuff, but every suit I've ever seen by them has been > very "roomy"... I wouldn't trust it to stay in place while bouncing down the > road. I can attest to the Roadcrafter's (Aerostich's) ability to stay exactly where it's supposed to when you're bouncing down the road. Of course, I did also get a custom size, but I don't understand NOT getting a custom size when you're already buying a suit that has a base price of $700. But then, I got the Aerostich and a custom Vanson leather suit because I have never found a suit that even remotely fits me in an off-the-shelf size. I'm over 6'2" tall. Every manufacturer assumes that if you're that tall you are barrel-chested. First Gear is a good brand. They have a bad name, imo, but their gear is good. Joe Rocket's stuff is good for the price, but their gear is good for one crash only, then you need to replace it. Tour Master is even worse about crash worthiness. The 'Stich holds up well even without repair. There will be people who talk about their riding suit that provides great dryness in wet weather, comfort in dry/warm weather, and provides crash worthiness all in one package. Those people don't know what they're talking about. It's not possible to have all three. (It's just like speed, accuracy, or cheap -- pick two). My personal preference is to get something that provides good crash protection and dry/warm comfort. You can then add a rain suit if you're going to be riding in the rain for any length of time and layers for warmth when it's cold. You can't dress for hot if your suit itself is hot (which results in it staying home) and it's really hard to add protective layers in the middle of a crash. Hope this helps, ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xcIawGoVOgLhZmSR8BuOg0T+e5HzAMA/wlAAfPr5Omc=; b=Qc1+qG2KD8WeYIEFv8bMga+Wxd4E8DMHiR5w5ew0yR8sdM3mCoarwlspXfGTbhnG9m bw28xzriKV/foPKRcfs5Vbau9JgjlLPRvJDoiKCjeCDbjovaOax5pZMKozqE48Mf3YEW /PCe0rSslxyqFPnJgUB86VlQ5qpYGFmFA6V54= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:23:28 -0400 From: Patrick Mullen To: "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? I forgot to add that I *highly* recommend the TWO piece Aerostich over the one piece, even though I never separate the two. The two piece provides much better ventilation since you can zip up from the bottom of the jacket when it's hot, it has more pockets, it sits much more comfortably when you're walking around wearing it because the front opens fully, and it just looks better since the one piece looks like giant potato sack pajamas (imo). My cow-orker asked my opinion on the subject before he got his Stich, decided to get the one piece anyway, then lamented his decision and wished he got the two piece. ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" To: "'Patrick Mullen'" , Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:52:55 -0400 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? Again, that helps a lot. Great info, and insight. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Mullen [mailto:pmullen.lists@XXXXXX] To: smthngelse@XXXXXX Cc: Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > Aerostitch is good stuff, but every suit I've ever seen by them has been > very "roomy"... I wouldn't trust it to stay in place while bouncing down the > road. I can attest to the Roadcrafter's (Aerostich's) ability to stay exactly where it's supposed to when you're bouncing down the road. Of course, I did also get a custom size, but I don't understand NOT getting a custom size when you're already buying a suit that has a base price of $700. But then, I got the Aerostich and a custom Vanson leather suit because I have never found a suit that even remotely fits me in an off-the-shelf size. I'm over 6'2" tall. Every manufacturer assumes that if you're that tall you are barrel-chested. First Gear is a good brand. They have a bad name, imo, but their gear is good. Joe Rocket's stuff is good for the price, but their gear is good for one crash only, then you need to replace it. Tour Master is even worse about crash worthiness. The 'Stich holds up well even without repair. There will be people who talk about their riding suit that provides great dryness in wet weather, comfort in dry/warm weather, and provides crash worthiness all in one package. Those people don't know what they're talking about. It's not possible to have all three. (It's just like speed, accuracy, or cheap -- pick two). My personal preference is to get something that provides good crash protection and dry/warm comfort. You can then add a rain suit if you're going to be riding in the rain for any length of time and layers for warmth when it's cold. You can't dress for hot if your suit itself is hot (which results in it staying home) and it's really hard to add protective layers in the middle of a crash. Hope this helps, ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" To: "'Patrick Mullen'" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:54:26 -0400 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? That's the way I was leaning, if I go that way (Aerostitch). Again, thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Mullen [mailto:pmullen.lists@XXXXXX] To: Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? I forgot to add that I *highly* recommend the TWO piece Aerostich over the one piece, even though I never separate the two. The two piece provides much better ventilation since you can zip up from the bottom of the jacket when it's hot, it has more pockets, it sits much more comfortably when you're walking around wearing it because the front opens fully, and it just looks better since the one piece looks like giant potato sack pajamas (imo). My cow-orker asked my opinion on the subject before he got his Stich, decided to get the one piece anyway, then lamented his decision and wished he got the two piece. ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=m7T/zJ90GX+wWgA1EQdoW5j5WBNVZ/Nhqaj1cL7xxQE=; b=TmME9AnGjsICsvlqoYWItCFHvo/EmkDMU3KLYnwtuWSdObRvomciL65qZ1CthdU1rs lAkzHoCQ3VFshVR6KFB0SohVGsDJs2uQOKS9M9BfbIPyubbkUIn3j692YSYDUrvece6O +S/sWuvz1+H13M9Ecpz1bBMZQB9gTeyNl5cn0= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:55:36 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Patrick Mullen X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? Overall, I you have some valid points with your assessment of the one-piece, versus the two. I do think, however, the one-piece works best for commuters. Wear it over street/work clothes and get in and out of it in seconds. I have the one-piece Stich and two-piece Vanson leathers. I always opt for the Vansons when touring, unless its going to be cold. It's easier to layer up under the 'Stich. Nothing beats the 'Stich though for riding around town or commuting when it's cold or wet. For prolonged downpours you do need to wear a rainsuit over it, which is a pain. I've crashed at highway speeds in leathers and walked away with a couple of bruises and a little road rash on the suit. My only get-off in the Stich was at about 5mph, so I have no real experience with crashworthiness. It also depends on what kind of bike you ride. Another factor. The one-piece Stich is like one-piece leathers. There's less "bulk" around your middle, so it's more comfortable in the more forward riding position on a sportbike or sport-touring bike. That's also where the ample backside of the one-piece comes into play. Paul 00 Suzuki SV650 09 BMW R1200GS On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Patrick Mullen wrote: > I forgot to add that I *highly* recommend the TWO piece Aerostich over > the one piece, even though I never separate the two. The two piece > provides much better ventilation since you can zip up from the bottom > of the jacket when it's hot, it has more pockets, it sits much more > comfortably when you're walking around wearing it because the front > opens fully, and it just looks better since the one piece looks like > giant potato sack pajamas (imo). > > My cow-orker asked my opinion on the subject before he got his Stich, > decided to get the one piece anyway, then lamented his decision and > wished he got the two piece. > > > ~Patrick > -- > 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R > 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 > 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XKNyCkEcKOaZr7PYzEwMCxr3RRgae9cnTLf1s96g3Ro=; b=L/B8sObC89fMyQk1gJmGxR3bkkVY6dZj3q7z2xoWhjho95lIgScpE2JbEi9UmEr26I 6LmOyEIGHvHlpyA8GutYc1SjPP4GqE5FAN7dYR3CXBjydRMNqEdekL/9Wi9JbBlWwdyz Ml0YTUue8ZJiX8jundyaoQcw4tYVOapnbtWX8= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:13:36 -0400 From: Patrick Mullen To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > versus the two. I do think, however, the one-piece works best for commuters. > Wear it over street/work clothes and get in and out of it in seconds. The two piece Stich zips together at the waist is put on and taken off the same as a one piece suit. There is may be a half second difference in put on and take off time. I have over 75,000 commuting miles in my suit. :) > Another factor. The one-piece Stich is like one-piece leathers. There's less > "bulk" around your middle, so it's more comfortable in the more forward > riding position on a sportbike or sport-touring bike. That's also where the I can't speak to a full-on hypersports bike, but I find the two piece comfortable on the Sprint ST, which is fairly leaned over even with my height. I will say that I had to add an inch of length above the knee when I got the Triumph because my knees were higher and I was bent further forward than my previous bikes. Worst case scenario could be that the two piece has a zip-in ellipse to give you more lean forward, but I have never needed that. In the end, there are a lot of options out there. Find what fits best for you. Unfortunately, I don't know of any stores around here that have racks and racks of gear to try on. ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-vipre-scanned; bh=sqbRkUhUJITrkDap+aAulbSXsLJAuITzHPevb+EjOFQ=; b=YSdqe1HQ8ZI0Z7fzPGkCvhato+EONOGL0AHlLkFLat269ixXlvqp+NjCbOOlOaH8iB qM4BA8ZRuTRxlkaauRq8qOuzaWGjE1wS19FKf0Ivz/I6ATByoJ3gzVWCEsExbtn47iEw k17+tjyUDIvCLfCEwpeWbveAOKkNRjUd0xV+8= From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX> To: "'Patrick Mullen'" , "'Paul Wilson'" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:18:27 -0400 Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 0F6F6190001AA30F6F62DD Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? All I know is that every one and two piece suits I've seen I think, just look goofy. Being a Harley rider, I'd much rather prefer a suit that looks more "natural". In natural, I mean something that doesn't look like I'm suiting up to blast off into space or to battle aliens. How about a two piece that looks like a pair of jeans and a long sleeve shirt? -aki -----Original Message----- From: dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX [mailto:dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX] On Behalf Of Patrick Mullen To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > versus the two. I do think, however, the one-piece works best for commuters. > Wear it over street/work clothes and get in and out of it in seconds. The two piece Stich zips together at the waist is put on and taken off the same as a one piece suit. There is may be a half second difference in put on and take off time. I have over 75,000 commuting miles in my suit. :) > Another factor. The one-piece Stich is like one-piece leathers. There's less > "bulk" around your middle, so it's more comfortable in the more forward > riding position on a sportbike or sport-touring bike. That's also where the I can't speak to a full-on hypersports bike, but I find the two piece comfortable on the Sprint ST, which is fairly leaned over even with my height. I will say that I had to add an inch of length above the knee when I got the Triumph because my knees were higher and I was bent further forward than my previous bikes. Worst case scenario could be that the two piece has a zip-in ellipse to give you more lean forward, but I have never needed that. In the end, there are a lot of options out there. Find what fits best for you. Unfortunately, I don't know of any stores around here that have racks and racks of gear to try on. ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=npehRIImX17Tft1Z1MKu38Jpd9gbPQcLxBMqceRHJbY=; b=trbRdCUnAgXonqf11J3gMGjoTZEp3Qq5e4vtwgl3ib2a2h6zztx3V1GFfr2FKgcN1U Lgh9bqXdcay/U6ILJFkCjfsZSHWIRZetEhK0UYOY70sHoP1KztNXGP5qgW23jj2DKq2c Z6EaY45/2/Qchpqg9Vyfg38liTWGwtgO2ePxk= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:19:22 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Patrick Mullen X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? It also helps my one-piece is a custom-fit and fits like a glove. Done in Duluth, with me seated on the bike. Nothing else will really work for my proportions. I'm all legs and arms and no torso. I have an awful time getting off-the-rack stuff that fits. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Patrick Mullen wrote: > > versus the two. I do think, however, the one-piece works best for > commuters. > > Wear it over street/work clothes and get in and out of it in seconds. > > The two piece Stich zips together at the waist is put on and taken off > the same as a one piece suit. There is may be a half second > difference in put on and take off time. I have over 75,000 commuting > miles in my suit. :) > > > Another factor. The one-piece Stich is like one-piece leathers. There's > less > > "bulk" around your middle, so it's more comfortable in the more forward > > riding position on a sportbike or sport-touring bike. That's also where > the > > I can't speak to a full-on hypersports bike, but I find the two piece > comfortable on the Sprint ST, which is fairly leaned over even with my > height. I will say that I had to add an inch of length above the knee > when I got the Triumph because my knees were higher and I was bent > further forward than my previous bikes. > > Worst case scenario could be that the two piece has a zip-in ellipse > to give you more lean forward, but I have never needed that. > > In the end, there are a lot of options out there. Find what fits best > for you. Unfortunately, I don't know of any stores around here that > have racks and racks of gear to try on. > > > ~Patrick > -- > 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R > 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 > 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DJr1vXbArbxYfOBl73CH3SYW8L4tz5z2GNrI8m672dY=; b=abnTQcaBE9Y5v+KdKHQ34BDKdbcAfKpcAhOjBq3lI5K/SC9PwOJmk6eh04Ij0GoFiC I+n8cMbej0SPESsfsdZwDyU0BoNA7py9n+m2bQFirPN0JPpS+N5dz7bNsKygxLJ68R6x 1ktPxDM8zjiegYVkpS1SMw9iB9TpuqAsPsWp8= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:22:17 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? Or dressed to attend an Amish wake, like my black and silver 'Stich. ;-) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > All I know is that every one and two piece suits I've seen I think, just > look goofy. Being a Harley rider, I'd > much rather prefer a suit that looks more "natural". In natural, I mean > something that doesn't look like I'm > suiting up to blast off into space or to battle aliens. > > How about a two piece that looks like a pair of jeans and a long sleeve > shirt? > > -aki > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX [mailto: > dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Patrick Mullen > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:14 AM > To: Paul Wilson > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which > Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > > > versus the two. I do think, however, the one-piece works best for > commuters. > > Wear it over street/work clothes and get in and out of it in seconds. > > The two piece Stich zips together at the waist is put on and taken off > the same as a one piece suit. There is may be a half second > difference in put on and take off time. I have over 75,000 commuting > miles in my suit. :) > > > Another factor. The one-piece Stich is like one-piece leathers. There's > less > > "bulk" around your middle, so it's more comfortable in the more forward > > riding position on a sportbike or sport-touring bike. That's also where > the > > I can't speak to a full-on hypersports bike, but I find the two piece > comfortable on the Sprint ST, which is fairly leaned over even with my > height. I will say that I had to add an inch of length above the knee > when I got the Triumph because my knees were higher and I was bent > further forward than my previous bikes. > > Worst case scenario could be that the two piece has a zip-in ellipse > to give you more lean forward, but I have never needed that. > > In the end, there are a lot of options out there. Find what fits best > for you. Unfortunately, I don't know of any stores around here that > have racks and racks of gear to try on. > > > ~Patrick > -- > 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R > 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 > 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yCRAryzBXoKj7yYwZvetMzz6t6LpAECQvUwRxieQ/tQ=; b=mnIKnKuDWpsw3Scrb22Sl/QmgDw/rVKLdSUSdhSpaWUTV4gTLEijGLT6ezwLXdBxsD Q8olf5wdu5z3wuUYjfvCGNcVrWEg0Ex1XUb4sJYDpKS09tdHz6+UiVL35snv56m7j1X6 BPvx3gcKyUp2uYvCWi92LPGCDvobTjYH8tfsg= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:28:57 -0400 From: Aaron To: Paul Wilson X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? I found the 'stitch products to be uncomfortably stiff and prone to chafing (even after wearing the jacket for 10K miles the collar still killed my neck), and relatively poor performers so far as venting. The best all-around suit I found was the 2-piece BMW Rally Pro II. Great venting, comfortable, good armor/protection, and good pockets. One bummer is that the rain shell is separate, and is worn under the outer garment. The other bummer is price... $$$$$. Still, it has worked for me for five years (now) and tens of thousands of miles in heat and cold. (Gerbings of course help in the cold.) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Paul Wilson wrote: > Or dressed to attend an Amish wake, like my black and silver 'Stich. ;-) > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > > > All I know is that every one and two piece suits I've seen I think, just > > look goofy. Being a Harley rider, I'd > > much rather prefer a suit that looks more "natural". In natural, I mean > > something that doesn't look like I'm > > suiting up to blast off into space or to battle aliens. > > > > How about a two piece that looks like a pair of jeans and a long sleeve > > shirt? > > > > -aki > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX [mailto: > > dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX] > > On Behalf Of Patrick Mullen > > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:14 AM > > To: Paul Wilson > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III > > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which > > Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > > > > > versus the two. I do think, however, the one-piece works best for > > commuters. > > > Wear it over street/work clothes and get in and out of it in seconds. > > > > The two piece Stich zips together at the waist is put on and taken off > > the same as a one piece suit. There is may be a half second > > difference in put on and take off time. I have over 75,000 commuting > > miles in my suit. :) > > > > > Another factor. The one-piece Stich is like one-piece leathers. There's > > less > > > "bulk" around your middle, so it's more comfortable in the more forward > > > riding position on a sportbike or sport-touring bike. That's also where > > the > > > > I can't speak to a full-on hypersports bike, but I find the two piece > > comfortable on the Sprint ST, which is fairly leaned over even with my > > height. I will say that I had to add an inch of length above the knee > > when I got the Triumph because my knees were higher and I was bent > > further forward than my previous bikes. > > > > Worst case scenario could be that the two piece has a zip-in ellipse > > to give you more lean forward, but I have never needed that. > > > > In the end, there are a lot of options out there. Find what fits best > > for you. Unfortunately, I don't know of any stores around here that > > have racks and racks of gear to try on. > > > > > > ~Patrick > > -- > > 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R > > 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 > > 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig > > _______________________________________________ > > dc-cycles mailing list > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:x-vipre-scanned; bh=35DRTxjobX9l0YfZLhn46ohxDRyuJ+h99Ek1quvUaq8=; b=lR6oSc6Lfr8bwAD1ms9R+k9I/rVUtbE+TNEM5c0vDtnOlSloiWEDNKGwYq+tU9rs9R zuUExYbflXFceJKi+UE752ieS5Oj+Pbw1ExB4oUQGGZDM1JFjK2m0J83NmKOUYBhn0hH Qx4DCmd/1pA4bhEIIojz0V1yIMp1nvT2JPKJ8= From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX> To: "'Aaron'" , "'Paul Wilson'" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:32:25 -0400 Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 0F7C2F0C001AA30F7C3059 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? yikes! I think wearing a BMW suit on a Harley is grounds for permanent banishment from the "Fold". ;-) -aki From: Aaron [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] To: Paul Wilson Cc: Aki Damme; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? I found the 'stitch products to be uncomfortably stiff and prone to chafing (even after wearing the jacket for 10K miles the collar still killed my neck), and relatively poor performers so far as venting. The best all-around suit I found was the 2-piece BMW Rally Pro II. Great venting, comfortable, good armor/protection, and good pockets. One bummer is that the rain shell is separate, and is worn under the outer garment. The other bummer is price... $$$$$. Still, it has worked for me for five years (now) and tens of thousands of miles in heat and cold. (Gerbings of course help in the cold.) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Paul Wilson wrote: Or dressed to attend an Amish wake, like my black and silver 'Stich. ;-) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > All I know is that every one and two piece suits I've seen I think, just > look goofy. Being a Harley rider, I'd > much rather prefer a suit that looks more "natural". In natural, I mean > something that doesn't look like I'm > suiting up to blast off into space or to battle aliens. > > How about a two piece that looks like a pair of jeans and a long sleeve > shirt? > > -aki > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX [mailto: > dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Patrick Mullen > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:14 AM > To: Paul Wilson > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which > Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > > > versus the two. I do think, however, the one-piece works best for > commuters. > > Wear it over street/work clothes and get in and out of it in seconds. > > The two piece Stich zips together at the waist is put on and taken off > the same as a one piece suit. There is may be a half second > difference in put on and take off time. I have over 75,000 commuting > miles in my suit. :) > > > Another factor. The one-piece Stich is like one-piece leathers. There's > less > > "bulk" around your middle, so it's more comfortable in the more forward > > riding position on a sportbike or sport-touring bike. That's also where > the > > I can't speak to a full-on hypersports bike, but I find the two piece > comfortable on the Sprint ST, which is fairly leaned over even with my > height. I will say that I had to add an inch of length above the knee > when I got the Triumph because my knees were higher and I was bent > further forward than my previous bikes. > > Worst case scenario could be that the two piece has a zip-in ellipse > to give you more lean forward, but I have never needed that. > > In the end, there are a lot of options out there. Find what fits best > for you. Unfortunately, I don't know of any stores around here that > have racks and racks of gear to try on. > > > ~Patrick > -- > 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R > 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 > 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > yikes!  I think wearing a BMW suit on a Harley is grounds for permanent > banishment from the "Fold".  ;-) The hardest part would be getting onto the bike -- You, wearing your BMW gear, would be offended by the thought of riding any other brand. Your Harley wouldn't let you on if you were wearing another brand's gear. Or maybe the worst could happen -- they could forcibly part in a corner! O.o ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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The knee armor hits me about mid-shin. :-( One of these days, I'm going to take a ride to Duluth and have them measure me for a suit. -- Michael J. USAF (Ret) Sterling, Virginia '86 SRX-6 (sleeping in the garage) '93 GSX1100G (sleeping in Germany) '03 DL1000 (accumulating miles) IBA #3901 AMA NRA etc. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283349147; bh=4O+uABz0l9v/6svKZXQEP6U+bqh2ULHwEmQjxqyupdM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z/4z/ZsQi+JFXyjsB6YrQIHZOWqh9TwQBH7W0i/oDW7+uOmhJV6JqimCcCwrJSSuPeN4F7VHEHt6abCz5xgoMjN0LKUssAuXjlT0F8cbXHzrGC8oCbNfDVVzhqPBgoiqo1ZLd9uxDQCft0/V0T+7jJ4Oh8m0OZouNGN34ujHGwc= X-YMail-OSG: n4bRp28VM1nPsJt8Tb_ghP.r3mlY6ztidxbEY5gSSRv42pw 2aLfL1p3w7oXwWfceH5YsLCu_3jsocaEvHU480u30mdyG8fw0m_KOoymsEFO sCa8_sEdkHiPzou9E.LviaDgrI2AYA3nulcRZDh.UKmte8iNrssIA22Gaa2b qdxqRiU7gJ8uTC6J9ije5ciWD5yUp0MDqIl05FYMFyTQnli2g2nW30RsPdRf tT5UdRqGXmdw88r0iH9Oraz7gqXjS2buElp6vUd.SDRcGbm7rkhhH4j7lZhv upwFIM2UVWZ2F.tXDusRD6P_4qKqA.BNEVaylK6aYyk_Pixc_LRZ7dwfwSXK vuvi.S1f3ixlHq_b..3gspNNWHyE- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? I gotta disagree. Not sure what condition your stitch is in but I've only gotten the wet crotch syndrome which these suits are known for and I've found that can be pretty much be eliminated by not letting the suit bunch up in the crotch area during long periods of rain. I've been in hours and hours of rain and stayed completely dry. One thing I do which others may not is I wash it once every year or two with Nikwax and then I spray the entire exterior of the suit with Camp Dry. Glenn --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Paul Wilson wrote: > under the 'Stich. Nothing beats the 'Stich though for > riding around town or > commuting when it's cold or wet. For prolonged downpours > you do need to wear > a rainsuit over it, which is a pain. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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The Harley would be so offended, it may stop leaking oil and not start :) As for gear, I have a two piece Rev-it suit that I love. I've ridden with it for about a year, and have had no issues. I don't know how they are in an "Off" situation, but I hear they hold up well. Nick ________________________________ From: Patrick Mullen To: Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> Cc: Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Aki  Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > yikes!  I think wearing a BMW suit on a Harley is grounds for permanent > banishment from the "Fold".  ;-) The hardest part would be getting onto the bike -- You, wearing your BMW gear, would be offended by the thought of riding any other brand. Your Harley wouldn't let you on if you were wearing another brand's gear. Or maybe the worst could happen -- they could forcibly part in a corner!  O.o ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-vipre-scanned; bh=FfdeIPM2McJr6F3ERPxl4yltpTJlXCTBbD2AINd3XEU=; b=cMsHIMpHbk2uiH5jPjleazjCHXCnPLP4yhlbFtRDczPNEHDGPjLMMwm5XmJDqYhrj1 g4lVa9e9PHNR4paatWNRtxYcbpAg8Eu932DiH591o2MC7m9Rw8F/WT0NrBn+jLW6laBw bDFMYcs9RdrtEHIy6xVWyzt0BmfCR1fpWVEME= From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX> To: "'Nick Thompson'" , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:01:55 -0400 Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 0F972EBF001AA30F97300C Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? *snort* MY Harley doesn't "leak oil". It exudes oily confidence. -aki -----Original Message----- From: dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX [mailto:dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX] On Behalf Of Nick Thompson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? The Harley would be so offended, it may stop leaking oil and not start :) As for gear, I have a two piece Rev-it suit that I love. I've ridden with it for about a year, and have had no issues. I don't know how they are in an "Off" situation, but I hear they hold up well. Nick ________________________________ From: Patrick Mullen To: Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> Cc: Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Aki  Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > yikes!  I think wearing a BMW suit on a Harley is grounds for permanent > banishment from the "Fold".  ;-) The hardest part would be getting onto the bike -- You, wearing your BMW gear, would be offended by the thought of riding any other brand. Your Harley wouldn't let you on if you were wearing another brand's gear. Or maybe the worst could happen -- they could forcibly part in a corner!  O.o ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id :message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity :importance:to:cc:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=4YToeNTd2p0ZjENly3Q5sNDNsbRqdg2HK746hQnXKuM=; b=Qz4AUcEb6Scdxx3BKDyM7VmPjkAFMhwx8bvusUp33K9m039BQgUb2TVALk5pa1WwDp q4RyZniiOjJkttqhT+M1zbbvlmtFplEzTPdtQlyLkHAsqA9UbD1qvZsQmIBvqMXE7ZZM n0LzKm9/Hw5tef1Pc656eLytkKCMxKrkmQ9I4= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 771064958 To: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX>, "'Aaron'" From: dcmcrider@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:20:23 +0000 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Cc: List DC Cycles , "'Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? BMW riders don't care what you wear, but your bike better have the "right" farkles. I rode mine for six months without a GPS. That's grounds for ostracism right there. ;-) 09 R1200GS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:32:25 To: 'Aaron'; 'Paul Wilson' Cc: ; 'Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III' Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? yikes! I think wearing a BMW suit on a Harley is grounds for permanent banishment from the "Fold". ;-) -aki From: Aaron [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] To: Paul Wilson Cc: Aki Damme; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? I found the 'stitch products to be uncomfortably stiff and prone to chafing (even after wearing the jacket for 10K miles the collar still killed my neck), and relatively poor performers so far as venting. The best all-around suit I found was the 2-piece BMW Rally Pro II. Great venting, comfortable, good armor/protection, and good pockets. One bummer is that the rain shell is separate, and is worn under the outer garment. The other bummer is price... $$$$$. Still, it has worked for me for five years (now) and tens of thousands of miles in heat and cold. (Gerbings of course help in the cold.) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Paul Wilson wrote: Or dressed to attend an Amish wake, like my black and silver 'Stich. ;-) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > All I know is that every one and two piece suits I've seen I think, just > look goofy. Being a Harley rider, I'd > much rather prefer a suit that looks more "natural". In natural, I mean > something that doesn't look like I'm > suiting up to blast off into space or to battle aliens. > > How about a two piece that looks like a pair of jeans and a long sleeve > shirt? > > -aki > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX [mailto: > dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Patrick Mullen > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:14 AM > To: Paul Wilson > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which > Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > > > versus the two. I do think, however, the one-piece works best for > commuters. > > Wear it over street/work clothes and get in and out of it in seconds. > > The two piece Stich zips together at the waist is put on and taken off > the same as a one piece suit. There is may be a half second > difference in put on and take off time. I have over 75,000 commuting > miles in my suit. :) > > > Another factor. The one-piece Stich is like one-piece leathers. There's > less > > "bulk" around your middle, so it's more comfortable in the more forward > > riding position on a sportbike or sport-touring bike. That's also where > the > > I can't speak to a full-on hypersports bike, but I find the two piece > comfortable on the Sprint ST, which is fairly leaned over even with my > height. I will say that I had to add an inch of length above the knee > when I got the Triumph because my knees were higher and I was bent > further forward than my previous bikes. > > Worst case scenario could be that the two piece has a zip-in ellipse > to give you more lean forward, but I have never needed that. > > In the end, there are a lot of options out there. Find what fits best > for you. Unfortunately, I don't know of any stores around here that > have racks and racks of gear to try on. > > > ~Patrick > -- > 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R > 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 > 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:x-vipre-scanned; bh=xNMTfAP0bI8qj7wbQWnxklz5e41dUtIzmTr/pSAsR5k=; b=dLZPCuLrUy6/VW92np0NF2i5p4KFPirN54MCHhzgOAoWBXtWDW/FjmbLymK1kIdt9E rmH4YkK8t8lq91tUDqYAQmD2Y4CuvAfR4QEdNTh9RAy1UNxCIZKKohZLHKxeLMtMVFwH 5iHtibp4Y85+SJ3yzcen+RAOYrVkYN1LzbPmQ= From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX> To: , "'Aaron'" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:25:45 -0400 Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 0FAD010B001AA30FAD0258 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.11 Cc: "'List DC Cycles'" , "'Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? We Harley riders don't believe in no stinkin' GPS's. That's why you see so many of us riding around on the weekends. We're actually lost. From: dcmcrider@XXXXXX [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: Aki Damme; 'Aaron' Cc: List DC Cycles; 'Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III' Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? BMW riders don't care what you wear, but your bike better have the "right" farkles. I rode mine for six months without a GPS. That's grounds for ostracism right there. ;-) 09 R1200GS Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _____ From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:32:25 -0400 To: 'Aaron'; 'Paul Wilson' Cc: ; 'Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III' Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? yikes! I think wearing a BMW suit on a Harley is grounds for permanent banishment from the "Fold". ;-) -aki From: Aaron [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] To: Paul Wilson Cc: Aki Damme; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? I found the 'stitch products to be uncomfortably stiff and prone to chafing (even after wearing the jacket for 10K miles the collar still killed my neck), and relatively poor performers so far as venting. The best all-around suit I found was the 2-piece BMW Rally Pro II. Great venting, comfortable, good armor/protection, and good pockets. One bummer is that the rain shell is separate, and is worn under the outer garment. The other bummer is price... $$$$$. Still, it has worked for me for five years (now) and tens of thousands of miles in heat and cold. (Gerbings of course help in the cold.) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Paul Wilson wrote: Or dressed to attend an Amish wake, like my black and silver 'Stich. ;-) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > All I know is that every one and two piece suits I've seen I think, just > look goofy. Being a Harley rider, I'd > much rather prefer a suit that looks more "natural". In natural, I mean > something that doesn't look like I'm > suiting up to blast off into space or to battle aliens. > > How about a two piece that looks like a pair of jeans and a long sleeve > shirt? > > -aki > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX [mailto: > dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Patrick Mullen > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:14 AM > To: Paul Wilson > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which > Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > > > versus the two. I do think, however, the one-piece works best for > commuters. > > Wear it over street/work clothes and get in and out of it in seconds. > > The two piece Stich zips together at the waist is put on and taken off > the same as a one piece suit. There is may be a half second > difference in put on and take off time. I have over 75,000 commuting > miles in my suit. :) > > > Another factor. The one-piece Stich is like one-piece leathers. There's > less > > "bulk" around your middle, so it's more comfortable in the more forward > > riding position on a sportbike or sport-touring bike. That's also where > the > > I can't speak to a full-on hypersports bike, but I find the two piece > comfortable on the Sprint ST, which is fairly leaned over even with my > height. I will say that I had to add an inch of length above the knee > when I got the Triumph because my knees were higher and I was bent > further forward than my previous bikes. > > Worst case scenario could be that the two piece has a zip-in ellipse > to give you more lean forward, but I have never needed that. > > In the end, there are a lot of options out there. Find what fits best > for you. Unfortunately, I don't know of any stores around here that > have racks and racks of gear to try on. > > > ~Patrick > -- > 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R > 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 > 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig >_______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J47LKYP0vQYC4FF7WVhRx2lk6UY9xPjONojo2SkQGng=; b=iHvzaGkdEkRA4KgT+j9WAOTFmGn4HUNw3eKpZUdaANqSCIChrJ433aOqLXwHCmWRq/ yP+gOgaMsAn5hTUbnxRBjhQJYF5abLumBvkHJBUecT66jf4YrA+ZQg948ENvLxz0ObCE NkJ0i6bVf0ygqzhVryWbEjTF+yw7qBVzVryo0= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:50:07 -0400 From: Wayne Edelen To: B-DC cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Indy MotoGP 2010 This was my second year attending the MotoGP in Indy, but the first year that I rode out from MD. Last year I drove and missed out on the fun of parking inside the track, as well as the great roads between here and Indiana. Weds was spent doing maintenance, as well as securing some loaner saddlebags from another friend with a Hayabusa. When I mentioned that I had a spare ticket, he started rearranging his schedule to join me for the trip. He couldn't leave until Friday afternoon, so we were both flying solo on the ride out. JT Motorsports in Frederick hooked him up with a quick appointment for new skins on Thursday. My '02 Hayabusa isn't exactly setup for touring, but I made the best of it. It has an aftermarket upper clamp so I can lower it when I drag race which makes the reach to the bars a little longer, as well as shorter gearing for better launches. My prep involved changing the oil and lowering my rearsets as far down and forward as they'd go. :-) Got my shit packed up and headed out at 7:30am on Thursday. I started out on 270N from Frederick, then picked up 70W to 68W. My first gas stop - http://tinyurl.com/3ao6236 I didn't want to spend a lot of time in Ohio, so I hit 79S and picked up route 50 in WV. What a great road. Thursday morning and there was not another car on the road. I made time, as well as enjoyed the high speed sweepers and elevation changes. Riding through WV on 50 - http://tinyurl.com/2g9rpof >From there, I headed up 33 towards Athens, OH and eventually picked up 70 through western Ohio and into Indy. Only 9.5hrs from my house to the hotel, without pushing it too hard. I stopped when I hit my fuel light each time, with no unscheduled stops, other than quick pics of the "Welcome to..." signs for each state. I think it was around 575 miles. Riding in to the track was a real treat on Friday morning. They wave you through, around all the cars and right into the track to park on the back straight. http://tinyurl.com/2dfoszz We had penthouse seats at the end of the front straight, just past turn 1, which gave us an incredible view of the first handful of turns, as well as the bikes as they came down the straight. http://tinyurl.com/28rf39m My riding buddy arrived on Friday and we hit the Indy Mile (dirt track) on Saturday night with some other friends. Nicky Hayden showed up with his Ducati team and he made some fast laps on one of the Ducati dirt trackers. Good stuff. After some thought about the route home, we decided to head south directly from the track after the race on Sunday. This took us through southern Indiana into KY. We stopped in Lexington, KY for the night - a nice dinner and good bourbon. :-D Rolled out of Lexington around 10am on Monday morning after a good rest. http://tinyurl.com/2d6bcuc My friend had a Nuvi, so we just started following back roads through KY, OH and WV. What a treat. This was one of the more high tech gas stations we encountered out in the country - http://tinyurl.com/2epf2l7 - one of the gas stations was just a gravel lot with pumps in it. We were rolling hard once we hit 50E in WV. We started pushing it through the sweepers and guess we lost track of our speed ;-) We saw a trooper heading west towards us and got a little worried when he did a sliding turn in the grass median. He lit us up immediately. Shit. We stopped as soon as we saw his lights. He told us that we'd passed a trooper in his personal vehicle "... in excess of 100mph.". Oops. Dude was cool and told us to slow down and let us on our way in under a minute. Score! We tried to keep it under triple digits for the rest of WV :-D The heat started wearing on us, so we snagged 79 -> 68 -> 70 home. Wife snapped this when I pulled in the driveway - http://tinyurl.com/2wvq4sr Great trip. Lots of miles and my BT016s didn't do too bad in the center, just a little flat spot. Avoiding interstates as much as possible really helped. I'll get more pics and videos loaded up from the trip and races later this week and post a link. Helibars, touring screen, gel seat and top case on next on the mod list ;-) 600 miles/day is pretty comfortable on the bike as it sits, I think I can push it out to 750-800 with a few mods. Being shorter (5'9") and fit helps. I can move around a lot on the bike to stretch my legs and take some pressure off my taint/ass. My Throttlemeister was definitely a hand saver, but a real cruise control would be nice for the mountains. Already making plans for next year. Anyone else make it out there this year? -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vULF9cSMRilvblUjzeP3+gK7px+B71uJ6zvp0VDoaVU=; b=qWSPmY3BFC67/ZRvBAj0Jy24ljLFmLvzK0Nw7qR8O7frRB2Jc/rHRgKPJwTIlasrkw Z6W/xQFrQFz6UO6EFvRa57to5SNa10FOt9e1YmHVF1+xiOzO+wxq6EvwE7paJ4ytUVeN o+fFlBO+n81VEm1k8cF2qc6m348iUFX/qQohQ= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:58:11 -0400 From: Wayne Edelen To: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Michael Jordan wrote: >> I'm over 6'2" tall.  Every manufacturer assumes >> that if you're that tall you are barrel-chested. > > Then there's the converse - they all assume that (based on my chest > and waist measurements) that I'm 6'+ tall. > > The knee armor hits me about mid-shin. :-( > > One of these days, I'm going to take a ride to Duluth and have them > measure me for a suit. That's what I'd like to do, too. I'm 5'9" / 195lbs with a 31" waist and 46" chest. Nothing off the rack fits me well. My Vanson 2 piece perf'd is the closest I've got off the rack. Thanks to the "american diet", anything sold here assumes that a bigger chest/wide back means you have a gut. -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Authentication-Results: cm-omr7 smtp.user=dave@XXXXXX; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: dave@XXXXXX From: Dave Yates Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:23:19 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Indy MotoGP 2010 On Sep 1, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > This was my second year attending the MotoGP in Indy, but the first > year that I rode out from MD. Last year I drove and missed out on the > fun of parking inside the track, as well as the great roads between > here and Indiana…. > > My '02 Hayabusa isn't exactly setup for touring, but I made the best > of it. It has an aftermarket upper clamp so I can lower it when I > drag race which makes the reach to the bars a little longer, as well > as shorter gearing for better launches. My prep involved changing the > oil and lowering my rearsets as far down and forward as they'd go. > :-) Got my shit packed up and headed out at 7:30am on Thursday. [Dave] How did the gearing affect your mpg? > > I started out on 270N from Frederick, then picked up 70W to 68W. My > first gas stop - http://tinyurl.com/3ao6236 > > I didn't want to spend a lot of time in Ohio, so I hit 79S and picked > up route 50 in WV. What a great road. [Dave] +1, I like the section just after the wind farm. > Thursday morning and there was > not another car on the road. I made time, as well as enjoyed the high > speed sweepers and elevation changes. Riding through WV on 50 - > http://tinyurl.com/2g9rpof [Dave] That's a heck of a tank bag. Mine's a lot lower profile, but very helpful putting any distance on the 1198. > > ... > Riding in to the track was a real treat on Friday morning. They wave > you through, around all the cars and right into the track to park on > the back straight. http://tinyurl.com/2dfoszz We had penthouse seats > at the end of the front straight, just past turn 1, which gave us an > incredible view of the first handful of turns, as well as the bikes as > they came down the straight. http://tinyurl.com/28rf39m [Dave] How much were the penthouse seats? Any perks? I sprang for hospitality tent / VIP tickets at the Isle of Man. http://www.bighammer.net/images/360_iom2010_465_.jpg If you watched the IOM Superbike race Monday on HDT, you know who the guy on the right is. You --might-- be seeing some more of him if you continue watching. I ran into Guy Martin in Douglas, and met a bunch of other riders. > ... > > Rolled out of Lexington around 10am on Monday morning after a good > rest. http://tinyurl.com/2d6bcuc My friend had a Nuvi, so we just > started following back roads through KY, OH and WV. What a treat. > This was one of the more high tech gas stations we encountered out in > the country - http://tinyurl.com/2epf2l7 - [Dave] ACK! MY EYES! > We were rolling hard once we hit 50E in WV. We started pushing it > through the sweepers and guess we lost track of our speed ;-) We saw > a trooper heading west towards us and got a little worried when he did > a sliding turn in the grass median. He lit us up immediately. Shit. > We stopped as soon as we saw his lights. He told us that we'd passed > a trooper in his personal vehicle "... in excess of 100mph.". Oops. > > Dude was cool and told us to slow down and let us on our way in under > a minute. Score! We tried to keep it under triple digits for the > rest of WV :-D > > The heat started wearing on us, so we snagged 79 -> 68 -> 70 home. > > Wife snapped this when I pulled in the driveway - http://tinyurl.com/2wvq4sr > > Great trip. Lots of miles and my BT016s didn't do too bad in the > center, just a little flat spot. Avoiding interstates as much as > possible really helped. I'll get more pics and videos loaded up from > the trip and races later this week and post a link. > > Helibars, touring screen, gel seat and top case on next on the mod > list ;-) [Dave] Got all that plus Givi bags (thanks Hugh). > 600 miles/day is pretty comfortable on the bike as it sits, > I think I can push it out to 750-800 with a few mods. Being shorter > (5'9") and fit helps. I can move around a lot on the bike to stretch > my legs and take some pressure off my taint/ass. My Throttlemeister > was definitely a hand saver, but a real cruise control would be nice > for the mountains. [Dave] You want Murph's, he should have a bunch of the Audiovox units. I've installed the CCs 100 and it works huge. It's almost like cheating. I keep the t/m on just in case the cruise gives me grief but it never has. > Already making plans for next year. Anyone else make it out there this year? [Dave] Still recovering (financially) from www.bighammer.net/paris.html ( layover, Isle of Man was the destination ). Thanks for sharing (except that one front shot, my eyes are still sore :-P Dave _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=w7BWfrLB2krLv81r/Xd3lOi+Z9T9eKBsIYFRSiB1ERc=; b=bXA+m5l1ttH814vENkMvmNrG95v8kTPpSUbkhkrEm7ekHkEwosdVqZTrlv2Kzn8k/0 oJqybHzsGebi/qhTbfd1jLC1PBdW8kPBdI6TkxeTjIuscbVQeFt66lpYwLSwjbYDXjlS C7kI8xbY/8YlkVF4ZydIjU2InsLDCci2TBidA= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:32:52 -0400 From: Patrick Mullen To: Wayne Edelen Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aerostitch vs. TourMaster vs. Joe Rocket: Which Would You Wear if Jumping off a Motorcycle at 65MPH? > I'm 5'9" / 195lbs with a 31" waist and 46" chest.  Nothing off the > rack fits me well. This is actually a good argument for the two-piece Stich. I have an off-the-shelf 44" jacket and a heavily modified (extra length above and below the knees) 42L pants. Also, with the two-piece you can have different ballistics top and bottom. I have a black suit with black shins but silver elbows and shoulders for a slightly more "pants and jacket" look. Regarding the 'Stich and waterproofing, it depends on how heavy it's raining and how big your fairing is. I can ride in a light rain for hours but I have put many miles on my bike in rain that shouldn't really even be driven in a car. Taking care of your suit helps a lot. You're supposed to actually wash the thing once in a while, not just call "riding in the rain" "washing your suit." Nikwax definitely helps, too, but if you don't toss the suit into the wash once in a while it's a waste of time to use the Nikwax because the Goretex starts to delaminate if you don't take care of the suit properly. I've actually had my suit in the wash twice in ten years and lately I've been wearing it while riding offroad through briars. At least I know why my suit isn't always the best at water resistance. :-D ~Patrick -- 2003 Triumph Sprint ST :: 2004 Suzuki SV650R 2000 Yamaha WR-400 :: 1975 Harley FXE1200 1979 Honda GL1000 Goldwing sidecar rig _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Tl50+kbk1o/fea+ayrYVfuZ5miITY5ljMMLIMgj0DNg=; b=MZVSQ0+wUGZDaWZmlEMcMHuRa1EYpbZUOXIN8qdPrEMoQjCHDgHCvMeptdr6Kd9aXy rY2nWxpiTGZjHlXCdcPZigCRmsz13WOaFWlpd1YSUAwOD8SLt0TtDzT8Eu0PeVHGrYKo MAd0rUWPwWE5oY/GPNsJ0HHw2AO6/YPBnuqZE= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:39:41 -0400 From: Wayne Edelen To: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Indy MotoGP 2010 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Dave Yates wrote: > > [Dave] How did the gearing affect your mpg? > Tough to say what was gearing, what was a fatter tune and what all that giant luggage did at 100mph :-D > > [Dave] +1, I like the section just after the wind farm. > Sure as hell beats taking 70. > > [Dave] That's a heck of a tank bag.  Mine's a lot lower profile, but very helpful putting any distance on the 1198. > It's only the LOWER portion of the 2 piece Tourmaster Cortech bag =8-o > > [Dave] How much were the penthouse seats?  Any perks?  I sprang for hospitality tent / VIP tickets at the Isle of Man. > http://www.bighammer.net/images/360_iom2010_465_.jpg $150 for the weekend (Fri,Sat,Sun). No other perks, except great, covered seats. We're looking at VIP suites next year, but only a few have offered to pony up the $$$ for it. Did your VIP tickets get you in the pits and around the racers? That would be nice. > > [Dave]  ACK!  MY EYES! > I knew you'd appreciate it. Having been a 14 rider, I know it's rare for you to see the front of any Hayabusa. :-D > > [Dave] Got all that plus Givi bags (thanks Hugh). > I'd like a setup like this one... http://www.pashnit.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=68391&d=1208701601 That would be perfect for trips and removable for local riding and drag racing. > > [Dave]  You want Murph's, he should have a bunch of the Audiovox units.  I've installed the CCs 100 and it works huge.  It's almost like cheating.  I keep the t/m on just in case the cruise gives me grief but it never has. > Got a link? > [Dave] Still recovering (financially) from www.bighammer.net/paris.html ( layover, Isle of Man was the destination ). > > Thanks for sharing (except that one front shot, my eyes are still sore :-P > > Dave Yeah, traveling overseas is $$$. IOMTT is on the 'before I die' list. -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aIGF2lG778VlkyPfVFGycMZjmykN8qM8HgsThl35j0U=; b=pejTvQEz/C180+YrAOhehgND+sqO9b2dOg6zFzY3ghVp17qaK7qaZe7U7YPBTImYHy eb5XXZXve0i4I0cAej5Vi5b8Oe+8IfPJDBddvKIeJ6cIOn2U4HEvFqZjkwKhjRcFufo5 2EWL1roE5eMTx9WW8ScAMA0a4tuqUdGYwvfT8= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:06:09 -0400 From: Wayne Edelen To: B-DC cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] New lid On the drive out to Indy, I realized that my Shoei RF1000 was getting a little long in the tooth. I decided to treat myself and get a new helmet in the MotoGP vendor area. I really like Shoei and my buddy has a badass US flag themed X12, so I hit the Shoei store first. Wow. Talk about absolutely no service. Not organized and they were not interested in fitting different helmets to my head. See ya. I'd seen the Rossi replica AGVs and really liked the visibility of the bright colors. The staff there was happy to change interiors/pads until I found the shell and pad combo that I liked. I think my friend and I spent an hour with their sales staff. We both walked out with perfect fitting helmets. I grabbed a GP Tech Rossi replica. Felt great on the drive home. Excellent fit and a nice, plush interior. http://tinyurl.com/2d6bcuc My buddy said it stuck out like a sore thumb on my (ugly) [hey Dave!] bike :-D I love it. -- Wayne PS - it came with tear offs. Anyone use them for long trips? I had to stop once on the side of the road to clean my shield after hitting a giant bug. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Authentication-Results: cm-omr6 smtp.user=dave@XXXXXX; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: dave@XXXXXX From: Dave Yates Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:24:51 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New lid On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On the drive out to Indy, I realized that my Shoei RF1000 was getting > a little long in the tooth. I decided to treat myself and get a new > helmet in the MotoGP vendor area. > > I really like Shoei and my buddy has a badass US flag themed X12, so I > hit the Shoei store first. Wow. Talk about absolutely no service. > Not organized and they were not interested in fitting different > helmets to my head. See ya. [Dave] Oh my yes that is a very nice lid. Too bad about the service. I had a similar experience at the Nolan booth during the bike show. I was hoping the new Snell standard which is more compatible with ECE2205 would result in helmet companies producing dot/ece/snell helmets, but no dice. > I'd seen the Rossi replica AGVs and really liked the visibility of the > bright colors. The staff there was happy to change interiors/pads > until I found the shell and pad combo that I liked. I think my friend > and I spent an hour with their sales staff. We both walked out with > perfect fitting helmets. > > I grabbed a GP Tech Rossi replica. Felt great on the drive home. > Excellent fit and a nice, plush interior. > > http://tinyurl.com/2d6bcuc > > My buddy said it stuck out like a sore thumb on my (ugly) [hey Dave!] > bike :-D > > I love it. [Dave] That is a nice lid. Did they have the wild eyed 'Mugello' lids too? AGV will print your mug like Rossi's at Mugello a couple years back. Even the donkey helmet ;-) > > -- Wayne > > PS - it came with tear offs. Anyone use them for long trips? I had > to stop once on the side of the road to clean my shield after hitting > a giant bug. [Dave] I have them for my Shark (American flag themed too) - I have a large one I can sell btw if anyone is interested, I bought a medium for better fit. I tried the tear offs but found them a bit noisy. YMMV of course… _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Authentication-Results: cm-omr6 smtp.user=dave@XXXXXX; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: dave@XXXXXX From: Dave Yates Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:24:59 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Indy MotoGP 2010 On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Dave Yates wrote: >> >> [Dave] How did the gearing affect your mpg? >> > > > Tough to say what was gearing, what was a fatter tune and what all > that giant luggage did at 100mph :-D [Dave] You haven't seen the givis on the 14. Think wide body hyper bike ;-) >> >> [Dave] How much were the penthouse seats? Any perks? I sprang for hospitality tent / VIP tickets at the Isle of Man. >> http://www.bighammer.net/images/360_iom2010_465_.jpg > > > $150 for the weekend (Fri,Sat,Sun). No other perks, except great, > covered seats. > > We're looking at VIP suites next year, but only a few have offered to > pony up the $$$ for it. > > Did your VIP tickets get you in the pits and around the racers? That > would be nice. [Dave] refer to the above picture and check out the thousand or so pictures. I had access equal to the press actually. In fact, my wife & I met Mike Seate when the pit staff punked him when he tried to get access to the start finish line. I got a picture with him & talked to him for a few minutes, super nice guy and one of only a hand full of Americans at the Isle. :=/ FWIW, over half the spectators are German apparently. They even send the Polizei to keep them from running amok. >> >> [Dave] ACK! MY EYES! > > I knew you'd appreciate it. Having been a 14 rider, I know it's rare > for you to see the front of any Hayabusa. :-D [Dave] It's cold what Suzuki did; you can hear them behind you, but like vampires they don't show in mirrors. Turn around and look and just like staring at Medusa, bam you're a stone statue. ;-) >> [Dave] Got all that plus Givi bags (thanks Hugh). > > I'd like a setup like this one... > http://www.pashnit.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=68391&d=1208701601 > > That would be perfect for trips and removable for local riding and drag racing. [Dave] That would be ideal; and a lot thinner profile than I have. Because I have the bea^^, tor^^ EXPERIENCED Givi bags from off a well traveled moto, I have the non-contour hugging SW-Motech mounts. Easy swap, but what I have works. However, that's an easy 5-8 pounds worth of weight on the back to accommodate the top bag (on the 14 anyway). Still, it does work nicely. >> [Dave] You want Murph's, he should have a bunch of the Audiovox units. I've installed the CCs 100 and it works huge. It's almost like cheating. I keep the t/m on just in case the cruise gives me grief but it never has. > > Got a link? [Dave] http://www.bighammer.net/zx14.html > Yeah, traveling overseas is $$$. IOMTT is on the 'before I die' list. [Dave] You can do IoM without a car or bike. Fly to Dublin, bus or cab to the port, ferry over & stay at a B&B. The Manx folk are very hospitable. A bike will add a couple thousand to the trip but … in for a penny, in for a Pound ( but make sure you get them exchanged before you visit England, Scotland or Northern Ireland because Manx Pounds aren't universally accepted! ) That said… Why would you miss out on riding, and especially Mad Sunday? Though I have to give some props to MJ, I think riding the Alps was a serious highlight too. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/+KdA0SU3OuK5ox0LUtaOlPGiqrd58yB9MmeN3Q0zIY=; b=nV84kPhAV4QQOR1MEeyUb+t766nmAvdTZX6yYufOxi+Dfra58Rp+qpn6obQVCQKAjx kM/BlvrlyiiloocFGRDtewZKep09cz1+EAs/Sz42lTWwUxvxg+P1f2KT2L1GkS1fjQRn CinpohKr+QPbQxBwmlbbnZNClQE7O8O18ZCLc= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:40:34 -0400 From: Wayne Edelen To: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New lid On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Dave Yates wrote: > > [Dave] Oh my yes that is a very nice lid.  Too bad about the service.  I had a similar experience at the Nolan booth during the bike show.  I was hoping the new Snell standard which is more compatible with ECE2205 would result in helmet companies producing dot/ece/snell helmets, but no dice. > I borrowed my friend's X12 one night and it was a nice helmet. I'm sure it would have fit more like my GP Tech if the Shoei guys had taken some time with me. My AGV is ECE and not Snell. > [Dave] That is a nice lid.  Did they have the wild eyed 'Mugello' lids too?  AGV will print your mug like Rossi's at Mugello a couple years back.  Even the donkey helmet ;-) > hehe, yeah they had the Donkey and Mugello lids. > > [Dave]  I have them for my Shark (American flag themed too) - I have a large one I can sell btw if anyone is interested, I bought a medium for better fit.  I tried the tear offs but found them a bit noisy.  YMMV of course… > Good to hear first hand experience. -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles