From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 10/14/08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:23:09 -0700 From: "J D" To: "Chris Norloff" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] real-time traffic updates? On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Chris Norloff wrote: > Anybody have experience with these real-time traffic update systems? Any > good in the Washington, DC, metro area? > > MSN Direct (FM) > > FM TMC Traffic > > XM NavTraffic > I use google maps traffic, which I believe get the raw data from the same source as XM's traffic source. I've found it to be very reliable, and the conditions on the ground always match what is seen on the display. The granularity of the data is probably +/- 1/2 mile, which is generally fine, except when incidents occur near an exit and you are trying to decide if your exit is pre/post incident. I find that XM's traffic station is more useful for me on the bike as its included with my base sat-radio package, and its not an add-on subscription like NavTraffic would be. -JD _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:33:44 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Wayne Edelen" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County I disagree. I'ts not shitty that his friends left him. I think it's fair and I feel confident in saying, that they probably would have wanted to go back, but the risks of doing so would be too great. Death/abandonment probably are some of the risks they knowingly assume, and they know that going back probably wont' be productive, but instead could put one away for 20 years. (racing/manslaughter charges regardless if they weren't actually racing). If they were truly friends, the crasher would probably hate for his mistake to ruin his buddy's life too. I think it's a safe assumption that he was already critically injured before they could even turn around to go back. High speed plus double impact of oncoming traffic. I'm sure it's not pretty. What is shitty, that a motorcyclist was at fault for causing accidents with other vehicles (cagers) (or so it appears at this time). (it's always shitty when a person causes other people to have accidents). The abandoned bike is interesting.. usually because ti's stolen.. but probably the smartest move even if it weren't. Sticking around = put you at the scene of a crime, witnesses can testify you were there. Leaving, gives one possible plausible deniability, no witness. The bike could have been stolen or loaned out. It would be the prosecutions job to prove who it was riding it, and a defense lawyers job to say "the state still didn't prove it was my client". It'll be interesting to see what other events happen from this incident. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1228923959 To: "Danny Motorcycle" , "Wayne Edelen" From: dcmcrider@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:43:27 +0000 Cc: List DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County Sooo....what you're saying is by fleeing the scene tha these f-wits showed a consistently high level of douchbaggery from beginning to end of this sorry incident. You'll get no arguments from me there. :-/ Yes, their actions were consistent, but that's not exactly laying a claim to the high moral ground here. And it is highly consistent with the public racing/bike hooligan/poser/stunter numb nuts sub-culture that seems to be all too prominent in Maryland. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Danny Motorcycle" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:33:44 To: Wayne Edelen Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County I disagree. I'ts not shitty that his friends left him. I think it's fair and I feel confident in saying, that they probably would have wanted to go back, but the risks of doing so would be too great. Death/abandonment probably are some of the risks they knowingly assume, and they know that going back probably wont' be productive, but instead could put one away for 20 years. (racing/manslaughter charges regardless if they weren't actually racing). If they were truly friends, the crasher would probably hate for his mistake to ruin his buddy's life too. I think it's a safe assumption that he was already critically injured before they could even turn around to go back. High speed plus double impact of oncoming traffic. I'm sure it's not pretty. What is shitty, that a motorcyclist was at fault for causing accidents with other vehicles (cagers) (or so it appears at this time). (it's always shitty when a person causes other people to have accidents). The abandoned bike is interesting.. usually because ti's stolen.. but probably the smartest move even if it weren't. Sticking around = put you at the scene of a crime, witnesses can testify you were there. Leaving, gives one possible plausible deniability, no witness. The bike could have been stolen or loaned out. It would be the prosecutions job to prove who it was riding it, and a defense lawyers job to say "the state still didn't prove it was my client". It'll be interesting to see what other events happen from this incident. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: "B-DC cycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:29:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County DM: I disagree. I'ts not shitty that his friends left him. I think it's fair and I feel confident in saying, that they probably would have wanted to go back, but the risks of doing so would be too great. [Dave] Sometimes you just have to hike up the skirt and accept responsibility as a citizen and render aid that you can to a dying person. Death/abandonment probably are some of the risks they knowingly assume, and they know that going back probably wont' be productive, but instead could put one away for 20 years. (racing/manslaughter charges regardless if they weren't actually racing). [Dave] It's one thing to leave the scene of a traffic stop when you know the rider is alright, and perhaps even a crash scene that you've rendered aid to a downed rider you know is ok. However, leaving a rider you KNOW to be injured and very seriously at that is just the height of despicable. If they were truly friends, the crasher would probably hate for his mistake to ruin his buddy's life too. I think it's a safe assumption that he was already critically injured before they could even turn around to go back. High speed plus double impact of oncoming traffic. I'm sure it's not pretty. Sticking around = put you at the scene of a crime, witnesses can testify you were there. [Dave] Eyewitness testimony isn't rock solid. Pressed, the cagers won't know a Suzuki (except for the eyeabuser, nobody can forget the optical scarring that thing generates) from a subaru. Leaving, gives one possible plausible deniability, no witness. The bike could have been stolen or loaned out. [Dave] Your compassion for your fellow citizen & rider is indeed touching. :-/ It would be the prosecutions job to prove who it was riding it, and a defense lawyers job to say "the state still didn't prove it was my client". [Dave] Mandatory helmets in MD, an ID that positive would take some work. Not impossible to secure a conviction, but difficult. Hell, they would be hard pressed to be able to substantiate charging the riders had they stopped. Still, that's something you concern yourself with AFTER you render aid to the downed rider. Dave _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:51:18 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: "B-DC cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Dave Yates wrote: > > [Dave] Eyewitness testimony isn't rock solid. Pressed, the cagers won't know a Suzuki (except for the eyeabuser, nobody can forget the optical scarring that thing generates) from a subaru. > Damn you. Damn you all to hell. :-D > [Dave] Mandatory helmets in MD, an ID that positive would take some work. Not impossible to secure a conviction, but difficult. Hell, they would be hard pressed to be able to substantiate charging the riders had they stopped. > > Still, that's something you concern yourself with AFTER you render aid to the downed rider. > > Dave No doubt about it. It takes some kind of a cunt to leave the scene where a friend has gone down - known fatality or not. That said, here is what was posted by a firefighter on a local forum I read (echoed by another member who has friends in the MSP): "Our squad was there to light the scene for the troopers, I was stuck on the ambulance so didn't get to go...anyway, apparently this guy was in several pieces when they got there, scattered over about 100+ yards if thats any indication to speed." -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:49:57 -0400 From: "Euan Fisk" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Free KLR650 Front Brake Pads Free to a good home - first person to shoot me their mailing address gets a set of generic front brake pads for '87-'07 KLR650. They're marked "Kevlar Twaron M.R." and new/unused/never installed. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:53:41 -0400 From: SassyDiva To: "Wayne Edelen" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County i actually knew this guy personally. from the sounds of it, it doesn't appear that he was riding with "friends". i would venture to think that a "friend" wouldn't leave me or anyone else for that matter to die and not try to offer any assistance. I will only say that unfortunately he made a bad decision that has ultimately cost him his life. i can't say with a clear conscience, that i ALWAYS ride the posted speed limits, because i dont. In no way am i justifying flying down the highway and being reckless. For those bikers that constantly ride reckless have to accept ownership for their actions. what i did know of him was that he was a very respectful young man, which in a male dominated hobby such as this, goes a long way in my book and was well liked in the MC Community.. i would just hope that ppl will have some form of compassion for a human being that has lost his life. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Dave Yates wrote: > > > > [Dave] Eyewitness testimony isn't rock solid. Pressed, the cagers won't > know a Suzuki (except for the eyeabuser, nobody can forget the optical > scarring that thing generates) from a subaru. > > > > > Damn you. Damn you all to hell. > > :-D > > > > [Dave] Mandatory helmets in MD, an ID that positive would take some > work. Not impossible to secure a conviction, but difficult. Hell, they > would be hard pressed to be able to substantiate charging the riders had > they stopped. > > > > Still, that's something you concern yourself with AFTER you render aid to > the downed rider. > > > > Dave > > > No doubt about it. It takes some kind of a cunt to leave the scene > where a friend has gone down - known fatality or not. That said, here > is what was posted by a firefighter on a local forum I read (echoed by > another member who has friends in the MSP): > > "Our squad was there to light the scene for the troopers, I was stuck > on the ambulance so didn't get to go...anyway, apparently this guy was > in several pieces when they got there, scattered over about 100+ yards > if thats any indication to speed." > > -- Wayne > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > -- Sassy Diva Men are like parking spaces; all the good ones are taken and the only ones left are handicapped. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:56:23 -0400 From: SassyDiva To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County according to the article on baltimoresun.com's website, there won't be any charges pressed against the rider that left. i think they were able to locate him. unless im reading this wrong: Motorcycle rider found not at fault in accident October 14, 2008 After locating and interviewing a motorcyclist involved in an accident on Interstate 95 that left a fellow rider dead Saturday, state police said yesterday no charges will be brought. Police began searching for the man after a crash that occurred about 7:30 p.m. on southbound I-95 just north of Route 100 in Howard County. A group of six to eight motorcyclists had been speeding and riding recklessly, police said, when the rider of a Suzuki motorcycle, Wayne N. Thomas, 27, lost control and went off the side of the road. Thomas was thrown from his motorcycle and struck by two cars before his bike continued back onto the highway. A rider of another Suzuki struck the riderless bike and was thrown from his motorcycle. Witnesses told police that the man fled on the back of another motorcycle. Thomas, a Mount Rainier resident, was pronounced dead at the scene. On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM, wrote: > Well, unless the bike was stolen, hopefully at least the rider who was on > the second bike and fled will be. He left his bike so, they should be able > to > find him pretty easy. :-) > > Scooter > > > In a message dated 10/13/2008 10:36:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > perry.d.coleman@XXXXXX writes: > > What a bunch of f*cktards! I can't believe that they would just go off and > leave him. > > Coward losers, all! I hope they all end up in jail with a real bad-ass > roomate... > My heart goes out to the family of the dead rider. I hope the guys he was > riding with weren't his "friends". > > Perry > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Wayne Edelen < > happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX> wrote: > > > http://wjz.com/local/accident.motorcycle.2.838501.html > > > > Pretty fucked up situation. One rider dead, the group flees the > > scene, leaving another rider's bike at the scene. > > > > -- Wayne > > _______________________________________________ > > dc-cycles mailing list > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > > > > > -- > If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. > - Sun Tzu > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > -- Sassy Diva Men are like parking spaces; all the good ones are taken and the only ones left are handicapped. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-YMail-OSG: gl0DGfcVM1nanuPVJWVLWNR2OavJhK0EA4G.B5l8DZLEPzCd.D9WIurN8Fp2QE8kb__5ROkHqQAMj0Vg42CtjY26sDLJ054Mh3ahttX.0CPufKQJ.UtbD0N8rZ3jzfepLHYPvqpdmt3eqmTGSFAHBzubNlcUims1qy4eW2j48ixB8v3K0B0rsz4eF0I- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:25:03 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County > apparently this guy was > in several pieces when they got there, scattered over about > 100+ yards if thats any indication to speed." actually it has nothing to do with speed. it has everything to do with what happens to a human body when it's struck by multiple vehicles each probably going 50+mph. Now maybe he did shed a body part or two when hitting the guard-rail, damn things can amputate things in a jiffy. It's a shame yet another life was lost riding a murder-cycle and fleeing the scene is decidedly callous. But like others have said, if you're going to be a F()*#$)nut and ride with total disregard for life and limb, the rules of the road, and other's safety. Well, you deserve what you get. And to think $170 would have bought him all kinds of track time at Summit Point yesterday. But I gotta say the "dc-sportbikes.net" crowd was sketchy. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:46:23 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: "B-DC cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:53 AM, SassyDiva wrote: > i actually knew this guy personally. from the sounds of it, it doesn't > appear that he was riding with "friends". i would venture to think that a > "friend" wouldn't leave me or anyone else for that matter to die and not try > to offer any assistance. > > I will only say that unfortunately he made a bad decision that has > ultimately cost him his life. i can't say with a clear conscience, that i > ALWAYS ride the posted speed limits, because i dont. In no way am i > justifying flying down the highway and being reckless. For those bikers that > constantly ride reckless have to accept ownership for their actions. > > what i did know of him was that he was a very respectful young man, which > in a male dominated hobby such as this, goes a long way in my book and was > well liked in the MC Community.. It's a shame the group of riders you have chosen to associate with are the ones that are losing their lives so frequently. If I were you, a younger, inexperienced rider, I would take a moment to reflect on your decisions about the company you keep. If those "respectful, young" men had done the same, they may still be around today. Motorcycles do not suffer fools. If you ride like an idiot, you will wreck and possibly die. The couple of deaths posted on here recently are perfect illustrations of that fact. -- Wayne PS - you never answered the thread about your event. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:04:25 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Wayne Edelen" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County I haven't read teh 7 replies yet, but i can say, so far i've heard that the rider was split in half, and his two halves were then hit by a car each on impact. Kinda definitely no point in going back. And no i'm not saying there was any type of honorable thing anywhere. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:28:30 -0400 From: SassyDiva To: "Wayne Edelen" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist killed in Howard County oh no, don't get it twisted. I dont ride with ppl I dont know and I dont' know their skill level... I mostly ride with females, ones like myself that have children, mostly single parents, not that it means any difference, but the men I do ride with know my level of experience, and never ever put me in a situation where i feel like i have to ride outside of my comfort zone just to keep up with them. FYI, I'm closer to 40 than I am 30, but thanks for the compliment anyway. :) I just wished that like you stated they would save that stuff for the track and not the highway.... On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Wayne Edelen < happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:53 AM, SassyDiva wrote: > > i actually knew this guy personally. from the sounds of it, it doesn't > > appear that he was riding with "friends". i would venture to think that a > > "friend" wouldn't leave me or anyone else for that matter to die and not > try > > to offer any assistance. > > > > I will only say that unfortunately he made a bad decision that has > > ultimately cost him his life. i can't say with a clear conscience, that i > > ALWAYS ride the posted speed limits, because i dont. In no way am i > > justifying flying down the highway and being reckless. For those bikers > that > > constantly ride reckless have to accept ownership for their actions. > > > > what i did know of him was that he was a very respectful young man, > which > > in a male dominated hobby such as this, goes a long way in my book and > was > > well liked in the MC Community.. > > > It's a shame the group of riders you have chosen to associate with are > the ones that are losing their lives so frequently. If I were you, a > younger, inexperienced rider, I would take a moment to reflect on your > decisions about the company you keep. > > If those "respectful, young" men had done the same, they may still be > around today. > > Motorcycles do not suffer fools. If you ride like an idiot, you will > wreck and possibly die. The couple of deaths posted on here recently > are perfect illustrations of that fact. > > -- Wayne > > PS - you never answered the thread about your event. > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > -- Sassy Diva Men are like parking spaces; all the good ones are taken and the only ones left are handicapped. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles