From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 08/28/08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:48:50 -0400 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC I recently joined this email list. I'm a relatively new rider at only 3 years. Always as a DC resident. I found the dc-cycles.org site when looking for DC parking laws because I got a ticket for parking perpendicular in a cage spot. I was a little depressed to see that so many people on different websites and lists are all annoyed by the same thing and nothing is changing. Even if it comes to no change at all, I figured I'd throw my two cents in with the powers-that-be. I've written to my DC council member to ask for an explanation about this and for a road map on how to get it changed. Additionally I complained about the lack of information available through the DC-DMV website. In an effort to share what little I've gotten out of this so far, I've included the email chain below. If you read from the bottom up it will make more sense. In my latest response (not seen here) I provided a better explanation using examples of specific locations, where parking parallel is expected versus perpendicular, and how the two parking situations are not necessarily intuitive. Thanks. Tom ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *From:* Kass, Jonathon (COUNCIL) *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2008 9:40 AM *To:* Jim Graham; Tom Ohs *Cc:* Babers, Lucinda (DMV ); Terry, Billy (DDOT ); Harvey, Damon (DDOT ); Whalen, Charles (DDOT ) *Subject:* RE: Parking regulations involving Motorcycles DDOT has convened a task force to improve motorcycle and scooter parking in the District. This task force seeks to improve public information on scooter/motorcycle parking requirements and recommend strategies to increase the amount of parking. I am asking Billy Terry at DDOT to provide an update on the status of this work. Jonathon Kass Committee on Public Works and the Environment Office of Councilmember Jim Graham Phone: (202) 724-8152 jkass@XXXXXX *www.grahamwone.com* * ------------------------------ * *From:* Jim Graham [mailto:Jim@XXXXXX] *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2008 9:26 AM *To:* Tom Ohs *Cc:* Babers, Lucinda (DMV ); Kass, Jonathon (COUNCIL) *Subject:* RE: Parking regulations involving Motorcycles Thanks for your message, and please excuse the delay--occasioned by my vacation--in my response. I am with this email asking DMV Dir Babers to look into the issues you raise, and get back to us. On the question of parallel parking, I am not sure I follow what you are saying. The motorcycle parking spaces that I am familiar with are not parallel but perpendicular. Can you give me an example. I am also including Jonathon on my staff so that he can add to this discussion. Bests Jim ------------------------------ *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:15 AM *To:* Jim Graham *Subject:* Parking regulations involving Motorcycles Dear Jim Graham, I had the pleasure of meeting you at a fund raiser at a neighbor's home some time ago. You advised me and others to contact you with any issues we had regarding District regulations etc. Fortunately I have not had any problems that needed attention from council members until recently. As gas prices increase, the sales of motorcycles and scooters are increasing, and with that there seems to be increased confusion regarding laws pertaining to operating motorcycles and scooters in general and specifically parking laws. I've been riding a motorcycle in this city for three years without any issues or complaints. This year, when getting my motorcycle inspected, the technician failed my inspection due to "excessive brake noise" despite the fact that the motorcycle didn't even move during the inspection. After researching for hours on the DC DMV website I discovered that currently the law states that motorcycles don't even require brake inspections. I brought my motorcycle back and spoke to the supervisor, and got another inspection which included brakes, and I passed. This week I received a parking ticket for parking my motorcycle downtown. The charge was for failing to park parallel to the curb. After again searching for hours, I found information regarding the District's parallel parking law on a personal website based out of Albuquerque, NM, and not affiliated with the District in anyway. I now understand that this is the law in the District and plan to pay the ticket as it was a legitimate infraction. I have two reasons for writing. First, the DC DMV website seems to lack any parking regulations or guidance for motorcycles. You may not have any influence in this area, but if you do, could you encourage the DC DMV website administrators to include a motorcycle and scooter page that lists fees, inspection laws, and parking restrictions, and locations of motorcycle-specific metered parking spaces. Secondly, I also want to investigate how to, and ask for your assistance in getting this parallel parking law changed. There are metered motorcycle spots in various locations within the city. These spots have painted stalls. These stalls are perpendicular to the curb, which implies that this is the proper way to park a motorcycle in the city. However when not using these designated spaces a motorcycle is to park parallel to the curb, which seems counterintuitive and presents the motorcyclist with many concerns. I feel that there are many reasons for parking motorcycles perpendicular opposed to parallel to the curb, including the increased availability of parking for everyone, cars and motorcycles alike. There are also safety issues to consider. As the road slopes towards the curb/gutter there is a natural but slight slope. A motorcycle parked on this slope can more easily fall. In neighborhoods where children and pets may be underneath a falling 500 pound motorcycle the outcome could be catastrophic. I look forward to hearing from your office. I greatly appreciate your time and attention. Thank you, Thomas Ohs _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:59:50 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Tom Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC Good stuff Tom. For what it's worth DCMR Title 18, Chapter 24, Section 2400.1 contains the generic "all vehicles must park parallel" requirement. Paul (Ward 1 too) On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Tom wrote: > I recently joined this email list. I'm a relatively new rider at only 3 > years. Always as a DC resident. I found the dc-cycles.org site when looking > for DC parking laws because I got a ticket for parking perpendicular in a > cage spot. I was a little depressed to see that so many people on different > websites and lists are all annoyed by the same thing and nothing is > changing. > > Even if it comes to no change at all, I figured I'd throw my two cents in > with the powers-that-be. I've written to my DC council member to ask for an > explanation about this and for a road map on how to get it changed. > Additionally > I complained about the lack of information available through the DC-DMV > website. > > In an effort to share what little I've gotten out of this so far, I've > included the email chain below. If you read from the bottom up it will make > more sense. In my latest response (not seen here) I provided a better > explanation using examples of specific locations, where parking parallel is > expected versus perpendicular, and how the two parking situations are not > necessarily intuitive. > > Thanks. > Tom > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > *From:* Kass, Jonathon (COUNCIL) > > *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2008 9:40 AM > *To:* Jim Graham; Tom Ohs > *Cc:* Babers, Lucinda (DMV ); Terry, Billy (DDOT ); Harvey, Damon (DDOT ); > Whalen, Charles (DDOT ) > *Subject:* RE: Parking regulations involving Motorcycles > > DDOT has convened a task force to improve motorcycle and scooter parking in > the District. This task force seeks to improve public information on > scooter/motorcycle parking requirements and recommend strategies to increase > the amount of parking. I am asking Billy Terry at DDOT to provide an update > on the status of this work. > > Jonathon Kass > Committee on Public Works and the Environment > > Office of Councilmember Jim Graham > Phone: (202) 724-8152 > jkass@XXXXXX > > *www.grahamwone.com* > * > ------------------------------ > * > > *From:* Jim Graham [mailto:Jim@XXXXXX] > *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2008 9:26 AM > *To:* Tom Ohs > *Cc:* Babers, Lucinda (DMV ); Kass, Jonathon (COUNCIL) > *Subject:* RE: Parking regulations involving Motorcycles > > Thanks for your message, and please excuse the delay--occasioned by my > vacation--in my response. I am with this email asking DMV Dir Babers to look > into the issues you raise, and get back to us. On the question of parallel > parking, I am not sure I follow what you are saying. The motorcycle parking > spaces that I am familiar with are not parallel but perpendicular. Can you > give me an example. I am also including Jonathon on my staff so that he can > add to this discussion. Bests Jim > ------------------------------ > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:15 AM > *To:* Jim Graham > *Subject:* Parking regulations involving Motorcycles > > Dear Jim Graham, > > I had the pleasure of meeting you at a fund raiser at a neighbor's home some > time ago. You advised me and others to contact you with any issues we had > regarding District regulations etc. Fortunately I have not had any problems > that needed attention from council members until recently. As gas prices > increase, the sales of motorcycles and scooters are increasing, and with > that there seems to be increased confusion regarding laws pertaining to > operating motorcycles and scooters in general and specifically parking laws. > > I've been riding a motorcycle in this city for three years without any > issues or complaints. This year, when getting my motorcycle inspected, the > technician failed my inspection due to "excessive brake noise" despite the > fact that the motorcycle didn't even move during the inspection. After > researching for hours on the DC DMV website I discovered that currently the > law states that motorcycles don't even require brake inspections. I brought > my motorcycle back and spoke to the supervisor, and got another inspection > which included brakes, and I passed. > > This week I received a parking ticket for parking my motorcycle downtown. > The charge was for failing to park parallel to the curb. After again > searching for hours, I found information regarding the District's parallel > parking law on a personal website based out of Albuquerque, NM, and not > affiliated with the District in anyway. I now understand that this is the > law in the District and plan to pay the ticket as it was a legitimate > infraction. > > I have two reasons for writing. > > First, the DC DMV website seems to lack any parking regulations or guidance > for motorcycles. You may not have any influence in this area, but if you do, > could you encourage the DC DMV website administrators to include a > motorcycle and scooter page that lists fees, inspection laws, and parking > restrictions, and locations of motorcycle-specific metered parking spaces. > > Secondly, I also want to investigate how to, and ask for your assistance in > getting this parallel parking law changed. There are metered motorcycle > spots in various locations within the city. These spots have painted stalls. > These stalls are perpendicular to the curb, which implies that this is the > proper way to park a motorcycle in the city. However when not using these > designated spaces a motorcycle is to park parallel to the curb, which seems > counterintuitive and presents the motorcyclist with many concerns. > > I feel that there are many reasons for parking motorcycles perpendicular > opposed to parallel to the curb, including the increased availability of > parking for everyone, cars and motorcycles alike. There are also safety > issues to consider. As the road slopes towards the curb/gutter there is a > natural but slight slope. A motorcycle parked on this slope can more easily > fall. In neighborhoods where children and pets may be underneath a falling > 500 pound motorcycle the outcome could be catastrophic. > > I look forward to hearing from your office. I greatly appreciate your time > and attention. > > Thank you, > Thomas Ohs > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5mJNDWSBAAAA:8 a=W1pMwRxdUgQVRmQroj0A:9 a=U6LX481Uu_V1ODtdBtYSmKDwjfQA:4 a=uL3qOuNcMWcA:10 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:26:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Patrick MacRoy Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC Howdy, I also just recently joined this list having moved to the district from Chicago a few months ago... As an example of what DC should be doing, you may want to share with the officials the brochure Chicago did on parking motorcycles and scooters in the city: http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/MotorcycleScooterBrochure_1.pdf Available and easily found on the City's website, at the Clerk's office where you buy permits, etc, it was gone in cooperation with the local ABATE chapter. This whole parallel business has been quite confusing to me... The law in Chicago is the opposite - you are REQUIRED to part perpendicular, or at least as close to 90 degrees as you can get without sticking out past the parking lane... Patrick At 09:48 PM 8/27/2008, Tom wrote: >In an effort to share what little I've gotten out of this so far, I've >included the email chain below. If you read from the bottom up it will make >more sense. In my latest response (not seen here) I provided a better >explanation using examples of specific locations, where parking parallel is >expected versus perpendicular, and how the two parking situations are not >necessarily intuitive. > >Thanks. >Tom _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:04:29 -0400 From: Bob Meyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking in Arlington I just started a new job that will have me in Arlington, near the Courthouse, on a fairly regular basis. When I was in Crystal City (also Arlington) bikes regularly parked free in the "X" spaces between marked, metered spaces. Bikes also parked free at the front and back of rows of parallel parking spaces where they are cut into the sidewalk. The police seemed to have no issue with this. I did it from time to time, and was never ticketed. I have yet to see any bikes parked near my new workplace. Does anyone on the list park in this area? Are the police in this area as tolerant as the one's in Crystal City? Thanks for any experiences you can share. Bob Meyer, #1157, Fairfax, Virginia '01 Candy Dark Red ST1100, "teSTarossa" Life is all about ass... You're either covering it, laughing it off, kicking it, kissing it, busting it, trying to get a piece of it, or behaving like one. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:30:50 -0400 X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 To: st1100@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in Arlington Fwiw, i parked that way for about six months at 15th and S. Hays---and then got a ticket. New ticket writer? Short of quota? Bad mood? Who knows? --garcia --------------------------- st1100@XXXXXX writes: >I just started a new job that will have me in Arlington, near the >Courthouse, on a fairly regular basis. When I was in Crystal City (also >Arlington) bikes regularly parked free in the "X" spaces >between marked, metered spaces. Bikes also parked free at the front and >back of rows of parallel parking spaces where they are cut into the >sidewalk. The police seemed to have no issue with this. I did it from >time to time, and was never ticketed. > >I have yet to see any bikes parked near my new workplace. Does anyone on >the list park in this area? Are the police in this area as tolerant as >the one's in Crystal City? > >Thanks for any experiences you can share. > >Bob Meyer, #1157, Fairfax, Virginia >'01 Candy Dark Red ST1100, "teSTarossa" > >Life is all about ass... >You're either covering it, laughing it off, kicking it, kissing it, >busting it, trying to get a piece of it, or behaving like one. >_______________________________________________ >dc-cycles mailing list >dc-cycles@XXXXXX >http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:41:55 -0400 From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX> To: "DC cycles" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [dc-cycles] Bridgestone Motorcycle Tire Recall Notice fyi...if nothing else, you'll get a free set of treads. It doesn't say anything about how worn the current set has to be. -aki NHTSA Campaign ID Number: 08T023 Synopsis: Bridgestone Firestone (BFNT) is recalling 4,202 Bridgestone bias ply motorcycle and motorcycle scooter tires that fail to conform to the labeling requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 119, "New Pneumatic tires for motor vehicles with a GVWR of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) and motorcycles." The purpose of this standard is to provide safe operational performance levels for tires. BFNT will notify owners and replace the noncompliant tires free of charge. The recall is expected to begin on or about August 30, 2008. Owners may contact BFNT at 1-615-937-3442. For more information for this particular recall, please go to 08T023 . Thank you, Recalls Subscription Team Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Spam-Level: From: Dave Paper To: B-DC cycles Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:07:29 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? Hola, Anyone have a recommendation for a metalwork shop in the area? Coworker is looking for a place that would, idealy, also teach some of the skills on how to use the tools. He already knows how to weld. He's looking to get some custom furniture pieces made. ObMoto: When your inner poser sees the light of day and its time for LED replacements for tail lights and brake lights, ignore the instructions when they say you need a resistor per circuit. Apparently, you really need one per bulb. -dave '96 vulcan with fresh lights! -- Dave Paper "Hello, I must be going." --Groucho _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sasl-Enc: YqzOA0CwnN/4aF0+nCTMrlPoFw+pB9wayoMFnaz1HTZc 1219927109 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:29 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] What would you put on a motorcycle cover so people will see it at night? My condo board is finally letting me move my motorcycle into a different parking area (so my wife, with the two kids, can have the closer in reserved space). The one thing I'm worried about is that the space where I'll be moving the bike to is not under the floodlights, and the cover is black. I can easily picture a car driver coming in at night and pulling into the space, not seeing the bike until it's too late. I'm thinking something like reflective tape, or stickers or something, but I'm not sure how well they would actually stay on the cover (sleet, rain, hail, snow, sunlight, etc.) Has anyone had this type of issue and come up with other solutions, or made stickers/etc. work? Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan Fairfax, VA 2007 Kawasaki Nomad Baltimore Washington Ride for Kids Task Force: http://www.firstgiving.com/louiscaplan The Tribe MC, Vice President: http://www.thetribemc.com Jewish Motorcyclist Alliance, Secretary: http://www.jewishbikers.com MSF RiderCoach: http://www.msf-usa.org _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:46:58 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What would you put on a motorcycle cover so people will see it at night? > I'm thinking something like reflective tape, or stickers or something, Get some SOLAS (Safety Of Life At Sea) tape and have it sewed on to your cover. Adhesives will work short term, but constant exposure to weather and folding-unfolding of the fabric will degrade the bond over time. Check with places like West Marine in Alexandria or similar boating supply houses. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-YMail-OSG: QdMiaUAVM1nraJs_u8rM30BC1ccYIt_uHqv9Ep8czZChaYd8Rj.XALJCkA.XBGKOU8KThrGOBf_Qcwe1pCj7WXEPze_pHpJubrygCjineC2ZWw1d_R6_8NdNvm6G9eKRTFB9qdb_Ab6erLA8GtEoQPg- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Engin Ulug To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in Arlington I live 1 block from the courthouse. unfortunately, I got ticketed parking b= etween cars in the metered spaces many times (vertically or diagonally) , I= also got ticketed for rear tie being 3-4 inches past the no parking sign. = I am not very happy with the Arlington Police department.=A0 I also got tic= keted in front of Hollywood Tans, parking at the end of metered spaces wher= e sidewalk meets the corner of the street (it is a wasted triangular space = !) --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Bob Meyer wrote: From: Bob Meyer Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking in Arlington To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 6:04 AM I just started a new job that will have me in Arlington, near the Courthous= e, on a fairly regular basis. When I was in Crystal City (also Arlington) bikes regularly parked free in the "X" spaces between marked, metered spaces. Bikes also parked free at the front and back of rows of parallel pa= rking spaces where they are cut into the sidewalk. The police seemed to have no = issue with this. I did it from time to time, and was never ticketed. I have yet to see any bikes parked near my new workplace. Does anyone on the list park in this area? Are the police in this area as tolerant as the one's in Crystal City? Thanks for any experiences you can share. Bob Meyer, #1157, Fairfax, Virginia '01 Candy Dark Red ST1100, "teSTarossa" Life is all about ass... You're either covering it, laughing it off, kicking it, kissing it, busting it, trying to get a piece of it, or behaving like one. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-YMail-OSG: _QoSvukVM1mwLXJIaxzPfRhhTEKU9OeBa84g4Ld7g2CWHoF0_rDUoL4laRIK6_wLskcxNL_qN1MHSj4G49Q22PBYOBbbGvFRzoZmX0nE09XJGwq0IKvCOJGQUAykeZw9ZA-- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? > Anyone have a recommendation for a metalwork shop in the > area? define 'area'. I had good work done by a metal shop next door to the Fredericksburg airport. > Coworker is looking for a place that would, idealy, also > teach some of the skills on how to use the tools. good luck with that!! Nobody in NoVA let alone the rest of VA appears to offer such courses anymore. You can MAYBE find a class in Baltimore or Virg Beach but the mechanical skills trade is utterly dead around here. Even in Chicago, I lived only 1 mi from "machine shop central" and they were going out of business left and right. You couldn't find a machine shop class for any kind of money. I only wish I could have gotten into a class at PTEC (pinellas county FL) because that was the last operating shop class in that whole mid-state region. There too the over hundred (literally) machine shops were closing up one by one. I tried for a year to get into a CAD/CAM class and it never got off the ground for lack of interest. > He's looking to get some custom furniture pieces made. There might be a non-engine machine shop in springfield or Alexandria but I haven't found it yet. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yDu5NFrcQOGYIdqjlT8A:9 a=Cz2btkj5wJpwuoLoYLfI0cwkU6wA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:51:43 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: UGVuZ3VpbkJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? > > Anyone have a recommendation for a metalwork shop in the > > area? > > He's looking to get some custom furniture pieces made. What skills/tools? Are you talking, lathe? Torch? BFH (Big F king Hammer?) Etc? -- John W. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:54:17 -0400 From: "Mike B." To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? matthew patton wrote: >> Coworker is looking for a place that would, idealy, also >> teach some of the skills on how to use the tools. > There might be a non-engine machine shop in springfield or Alexandria but I haven't found it yet. I doubt he'd like the cost, and they don't teach, but the capability and quality are top notch at Metlfab in Frederick, MD (http://www.metlfab.com/). They do a lot of mil-spec metal fabrication for government contractors and can do pretty much anything you want done. I've seen their facility...it's seriously impressive. They have half a dozen CNC mills, a laser cutter, a water jet cutter, two turret punches (huge ones), brakes, shears, several vertical milling machines that they just use as drill presses (drill presses have too much runout in the spindles to suit them), a CMM for quality control (all work is done to something like 2 thousandths of an inch tolerances), a 6' flatbed scanner, plating, paint and powder-coat shops, assembly area (some of what they do involves things like adding gaskets and grommets, putting on labels, attaching subsystems, etc.) and about 85 employees. All jobs get tracked by bar-codes so they can tell where any given job is and whether it's on schedule or not. It's well-run, capable, probably well out of your friend's price range, but you never know until you ask I guess. -- Mike B. -- '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:07:40 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX> Cc: DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bridgestone Motorcycle Tire Recall Notice So, if I read this correctly, there's nothing at all wrong with the tires per se, it's that they're improperly labeled per the FMVSS? On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > fyi...if nothing else, you'll get a free set of treads. It doesn't say > anything about how worn the current set has to be. > > -aki > > > > NHTSA Campaign ID Number: > 08T023 > Synopsis: > Bridgestone Firestone (BFNT) is recalling 4,202 Bridgestone bias ply > motorcycle and motorcycle scooter tires that fail to conform to the labeling > requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 119, "New > Pneumatic tires for motor vehicles with a GVWR of more than 4,536 kilograms > (10,000 pounds) and motorcycles." The purpose of this standard is to provide > safe operational performance levels for tires. BFNT will notify owners and > replace the noncompliant tires free of charge. The recall is expected to > begin on or about August 30, 2008. Owners may contact BFNT at > 1-615-937-3442. > > For more information for this particular recall, please go to > 08T023 _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Spam-Level: From: Dave Paper To: DC-Cycles Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:08:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? On Aug 28, 2008, at 10:29 AM, matthew patton wrote: >> Anyone have a recommendation for a metalwork shop in the >> area? > > define 'area'. I had good work done by a metal shop next door to the > Fredericksburg airport. > Anything in the DC-Metro Area, including exurbs, so Fredericksburg counts. >> Coworker is looking for a place that would, idealy, also >> teach some of the skills on how to use the tools. > > good luck with that!! Nobody in NoVA let alone the rest of VA > appears to offer such courses anymore. You can MAYBE find a class in > Baltimore or Virg Beach but the mechanical skills trade is utterly > dead around here. Even in Chicago, I lived only 1 mi from "machine > shop central" and they were going out of business left and right. > You couldn't find a machine shop class for any kind of money. > I'll point him in both directions then. It's his gas, not mine. > I only wish I could have gotten into a class at PTEC (pinellas > county FL) because that was the last operating shop class in that > whole mid-state region. There too the over hundred (literally) > machine shops were closing up one by one. I tried for a year to get > into a CAD/CAM class and it never got off the ground for lack of > interest. I've found welding (several types) of classes at the manassas campus of NoVa CC, but never a metalshop class. >> He's looking to get some custom furniture pieces made. > > There might be a non-engine machine shop in springfield or > Alexandria but I haven't found it yet. > Yeah, neither has he. He's been looking for a while to find someplace that does work AND teaches. -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX "The only contributions France has given to popular culture in the last 50 years is Gerard Depardieu and that horny skunk." --SNL _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Spam-Level: From: Dave Paper To: B-DC cycles Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:10:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? On Aug 28, 2008, at 10:51 AM, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > >>> Anyone have a recommendation for a metalwork shop in the >>> area? > >>> He's looking to get some custom furniture pieces made. > > What skills/tools? Are you talking, lathe? Torch? BFH (Big F king > Hammer?) Etc? > All of the above -- Metalshop 101 (for learning) on up would be ideal, but so far, doesn't sound promising. If that isn't going to happen, he's looking for a place to take stuff to have it made. -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX "The only contributions France has given to popular culture in the last 50 years is Gerard Depardieu and that horny skunk." --SNL _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Spam-Level: From: Dave Paper To: DC-Cycles Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:16:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? On Aug 28, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Mike B. wrote: > matthew patton wrote: > >>> Coworker is looking for a place that would, idealy, also >>> teach some of the skills on how to use the tools. > >> There might be a non-engine machine shop in springfield or >> Alexandria but I haven't found it yet. > > I doubt he'd like the cost, and they don't teach, but the capability > and > quality are top notch at Metlfab in Frederick, MD > (http://www.metlfab.com/). They do a lot of mil-spec metal > fabrication > for government contractors and can do pretty much anything you want > done. > > I've seen their facility...it's seriously impressive. They have > half a > dozen CNC mills, a laser cutter, a water jet cutter, two turret > punches > (huge ones), brakes, shears, several vertical milling machines that > they > just use as drill presses (drill presses have too much runout in the > spindles to suit them), a CMM for quality control (all work is done to > something like 2 thousandths of an inch tolerances), a 6' flatbed > scanner, plating, paint and powder-coat shops, assembly area (some of > what they do involves things like adding gaskets and grommets, putting > on labels, attaching subsystems, etc.) and about 85 employees. All > jobs > get tracked by bar-codes so they can tell where any given job is and > whether it's on schedule or not. It's well-run, capable, probably > well > out of your friend's price range, but you never know until you ask I > guess. > So far, this has been the best hit yet. Thanks Mike! I'll probably suggest he ask these folks (while he's having stuff made) if they know of anyplace in the area that teaches this kind of stuff. Google has been an utter failure so far. Thanks guys! -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX "The only contributions France has given to popular culture in the last 50 years is Gerard Depardieu and that horny skunk." --SNL _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-YMail-OSG: eaQyZ9sVM1nxe.KoXhiSRSqwlQo7YCzCak42eJPOoIfb9ZfG9yARyz_cq4VUb6OlMA-- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:20:05 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? there is an outfit out of California or Wash state that is trying to revive the "community workshop" wherein they stand up a machine shop staffed by local veterans/nominally paid volunteers and you pay a small fee to 'rent' the equipment by the hour and have them look over your shoulder and teach you as needed. The name is escaping me at the moment. they have plans supposedly to build them in NC, Baltimore, and Richmond etc. but they've been "planning" for some time now and no progress. If I can somehow figure out what the name of the place was, I'll post. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-YMail-OSG: IQI99tsVM1m0XN.CEd8w8UqKRUglfIqGXU7nd_n4FaomDzk3tB_qz.yruyP7i.HtNVzVaKRxykGrLYgyqDiZJtvyupiS9vOaOh2KeXPu Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? I just remembered another local outfit. he's a one-man band on Telegraph Road on the right hand side (south bound) just a touch north of where it dead-ends into US1. This is a little bit south of the Lorton Tank Farm. I hope he's still there. The Gas and Water works on Backlick just north of the 495 overpass has a master machinist who teaches but apparently mostly to employees. I'll try to dig up his information. Near the FFX bus and county veh depot (again across the way from the Tank Farm) has a couple of machine shops up on the hill come to think of it. One is called JSK Machine - nice folks. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:42:42 -0400 From: "Mike B." To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? Dave Paper wrote: > On Aug 28, 2008, at 10:51 AM, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >>>> He's looking to get some custom furniture pieces made. >> What skills/tools? Are you talking, lathe? Torch? BFH (Big F king >> Hammer?) Etc? >> > > All of the above -- Metalshop 101 (for learning) on up would be > ideal, but so far, doesn't sound promising. If that isn't going to > happen, he's looking for a place to take stuff to have it made. An alternative is to get some books, get some tools, and try it. I expect there are folks on this list, and I know there are on metalmeet.com, who can answer specific questions or offer basic safety information so he doesn't lose body parts, or dwellings, in the initial stages. I've been teaching myself to weld that way, and it's slow, but it's working. Started with O/A (because you can weld, cut, bend and braze with the same equipment), and then got a MIG welder (a little 110v unit, which is adequate for what I want to work with and cost a lot less than the 220v units). There are some decent books that will take you from lighting the torch (without blowing yourself up) through cutting, brazing and welding. Doesn't make you an expert, but it does let you stick metal together well enough for home use. At this point I'm willing to make things for myself so long as a failure of the weld won't hurt anyone (i.e. nothing structural, and nothing on the bike that's critical...flag holder? Ok. Brake bracket? No, not yet.) A guy down the street from me is building bikes in his garage and got himself a Smithy machine (combination lathe and vertical mill). It seems to work well enough, and he's teaching himself machining with it. It's not cheap (about $5k), but compared to tuition at a college, it's not bad and you own the machine and can make things with it rather than pay someone else to make them for you. He does things like wheel spacers, knurling, etc. Nothing super complex so far. Just an alternative to consider. -- Mike B. -- '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:43:20 -0400 From: "Aki Damme" <01dyna@XXXXXX> To: "Paul Wilson" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bridgestone Motorcycle Tire Recall Notice that's what it looks like to me. But, it'll give someone an opportunity to get some fresh rubber. It doesn't indicate that the tires need to be in new condition to be swapped out. I wonder if they'll include the cost to install? On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Paul Wilson wrote: > So, if I read this correctly, there's nothing at all wrong with the > tires per se, it's that they're improperly labeled per the FMVSS? > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@XXXXXX> wrote: > > fyi...if nothing else, you'll get a free set of treads. It doesn't say > > anything about how worn the current set has to be. > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > NHTSA Campaign ID Number: > > 08T023< > http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/results.cfm?rcl_id=08T023&searchtype=quicksearch&summary=true&refurl=email > > > > Synopsis: > > Bridgestone Firestone (BFNT) is recalling 4,202 Bridgestone bias ply > > motorcycle and motorcycle scooter tires that fail to conform to the > labeling > > requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 119, "New > > Pneumatic tires for motor vehicles with a GVWR of more than 4,536 > kilograms > > (10,000 pounds) and motorcycles." The purpose of this standard is to > provide > > safe operational performance levels for tires. BFNT will notify owners > and > > replace the noncompliant tires free of charge. The recall is expected to > > begin on or about August 30, 2008. Owners may contact BFNT at > > 1-615-937-3442. > > > > For more information for this particular recall, please go to > > 08T023< > http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/results.cfm?rcl_id=08T023&searchtype=quicksearch&summary=true&refurl=email > > > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:44:15 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? http://www.techshop.ws/ On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:20 AM, matthew patton wrote: > there is an outfit out of California or Wash state that is trying to revive > the "community workshop" wherein they stand up a machine shop staffed by > local veterans/nominally paid volunteers and you pay a small fee to 'rent' > the equipment by the hour and have them look over your shoulder and teach > you as needed. The name is escaping me at the moment. they have plans > supposedly to build them in NC, Baltimore, and Richmond etc. but they've > been "planning" for some time now and no progress. > > If I can somehow figure out what the name of the place was, I'll post. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Spam-Level: From: Dave Paper To: DC-Cycles cycles Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:19:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Machine shop? Matt, Mike, Thomas, Ya'll rock. All of the info today has been sent over. Mmmm metalworking. I this all this discussion has got me back into the mode of wanting to mess w/ this stuff again. -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX "The only contributions France has given to popular culture in the last 50 years is Gerard Depardieu and that horny skunk." --SNL _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:47:30 -0600 From: Brian Roach To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] MotoGP? Anyone else going to MotoGP? We're flying out on Thurs, have seats in the infield stands as they come off Indy T2 and back into the road-coarse. Ping me if you're going! - Roach _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles