From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 08/22/08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=COQvz82UAAAA:8 a=hlewRcJeksquJYHVBOQA:9 a=fpQ4HHu5T_ABnLI8JYAupjaQbYgA:4 a=KUJAPYlYduUA:10 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:51:49 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: UGVuZ3VpbkJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Chain Tool > > > > http://www.mikesxs.net/mikesxs-tools.php?category_id=7.1#35-0081 Thanks. Bookmarked. John _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:11:05 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Michael Jordan" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Dave Yates , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] pack riding at 140 miles per hour I knew it! You're all a bunch of hooligans! It also depends on who your judge is I suppose... and wha'ts at stake. I saw what looked to be two drunks (or worse) in court. cop issued the driver a minor driving citation. cop testified. driver testified, passenger witness testified. The judge said "two against 1, case dismissed". A buddy of mine was in court, witnessed people getting off for drunk driving, with the judge saying how the influence of alcohol made them incapable of being held accountable to thier decision to drive or something. I wouldn't call driver improvement and lawyer fees as cramming up the smug sobs ass. A cop will be happy just knowing he wrote you tickets you had to pay, and consider that his own personal win. But on the other hand, VA, getting off without jail time.. is worth disregarding a smug sob's views. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:15:49 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Michael Jordan" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Dave Yates , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] pack riding at 140 miles per hour Oh and it's probably still worth it to file for that tape. Could be enough evidence on there to keep you from even having to buy a lawyer. Also for those of us with capable phones, might be worth it to turn on recording mode prior to the conversation with a bad attitude leo. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:22:08 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Wayne Edelen" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: skip , B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Reporting bad police officers (was Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt) interesting. If your'e not doing it anonymously, you might want to inquire what the procedure is regarding the complaints entails, and what actions will be taken. If they tell you "he gets a discussion from me".. I would wonder if it's worth doing. What's interesting is that as technology gets out there... certain people will be getting caught up, or know they can't attempt to do certain things, they would have otherwise done. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:41:04 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: omni@XXXXXX X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Mike B. wrote: > Carl Custer wrote: > > > 1. Pass a law requiring drivers to use turn signals when changing lanes. > > That's not already a law? It was when I took driver training in VA. > > You are supposed to use turn signals any time you are "changing > direction", and changing lanes requires a turn away from the direction > of the road, at least slightly. By that definition correcting yourself on windy 1 lane roads would require turn signals. > > Signaling lane changes has always been required as far as I know...it > just isn't done around here because most drivers around here are > untrained, incompetent idiots. If you *do* signal a lane change, many IIRK it's not required in md specificly, but who knows in what round about ways they can get you for it. > > take it as a request for permission, rather than what it actually is: a > warning of impending movement. It doesn't mean "may I?" it means, > "COMING THROUGH!! Yes. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:02:31 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Matthew Bafford" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt Well that was well thought out and well reasoned. I can imagine that not using them as lane changers might force people to be more aware and more calculating drivers. OOTH if vehicles were not allowed (by programming or some such) to change lanes without the signals on, then we could pass at higher speed differentials.. OOTH (yes I have 3 hands) if there were to make it mandatory law, they should include some kind of delay period, as in," to change lanes you must signal for 3 seconds prior" thus those who change and signal at the same time would still be violating it. Which brings me to a couple of more thoughts. One day vehicle operating will be automated so all this will go out the window... if the govt cares about us so much to mandate that cars must have certain kinds of brakes and lights and mirrors and such.. why not mandate on board video recording devices for cars intended for on public road use. certainly it can be installed as cheaply as some of those other things. It would help identify at fault parties in some crashes, and some idiots would probably drive more reasonably knwowing the cameras are always on, and if someoen else crashes because of hteir driving, that's their ass. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Matthew Bafford wrote: > > > Signaling seems to me to be one of those things to get upset about > only because it usually indicates a driver who is on the whole not > paying attention to proper technique and to being helpful to those > around them. > > For the most part, signaling doesn't really accomplish much, > especially when combined with consistent and considerate driving. > Most premeditated lane changes are perfectly obvious to other people > around you (there are always tells) and are done at the appropriate > time as to not interfere with traffic. > > There are two major exceptions I can think of where signaling *lane > changes* makes a huge difference. > > In heavy traffic (where 2 second following distance is not being > observed) signaling indicates to the traffic in the other lane that > they need to back off slightly and give you just enough space to get > over. Usually I have to use it to tell the other drive that they are > backing off or getting a bit of blue paint on them. > > In very sparse traffic with multiple lanes and major speed > differentials (some highway with two lanes in the direction of travel) > where you're coming up on someone and they are moving over into the > left lane to make a turn, the signaling helps you properly prepare. > > What annoys most people about lack of signaling (and it's primarily in > medium to dense traffic) is that the lack of signaling is also > accompanied by an inconsiderate lane shift that causes traffic around > them to react (usually excessively). In this case, it's not the > signaling that's the problem, it's the panic and/or egotistical move > by the driver who didn't signal. These are the same drivers that > would, if somehow forced to signal, signal and move over in the same > move. You've seen those drivers do just that and likely gotten just > as annoyed. > > In moderate traffic, I really don't care if people signal or not so > much as I care if they look around themselves before acting or not. > If I'm coming up on you at 10 miles per hour faster, then it doesn't > really matter if you signal or not, your switching lanes in front of > me is going to be annoying. > > What making signaling a law does is give cops one more probable cause > for pulling someone over. Just like the cop pulling me over last > night for not having my headlights on (coming out of a brightly lit > parking lot, for fuck's sake) it gives the perfect reason to pull > someone over and run their license and look for outstanding warrants, > etc. I'd rather the law be off the books in favor of strongly > enforcing laws that make more of a difference in traffic flow and > safety. > > Just my two probably self-contradictory cents... > > --Matthew > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:09:13 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Dave Yates" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Dave Yates wrote: > You guys are going about it the wrong way and sending the wrong message. > > DO you really want cops enforcing 55 on the beltway, 45 on US 1, 35 on Duke > street, etc? OR do you want the chance to be able to bargain for a break. > > Here's what I did about May time frame. Was following FCPD cruiser down > Kings hwy. FAST. REALLY FAST. No lights or siren and he was throwing a > hell of a block for me. > > Got to work sent the MV district staff a "thank you" for the officer > driving car ( I think it was 4160...), he threw the best block down Kings > Hwy. I've ever had. I didn't know a Crown Vic could go that fast and stop > at the bottom of the hill for the light. Some sections of Summit Point are > slower. Can he arrange to be on duty and ready to throw my block on the way > to work every morning. > > I did get a "we'll see what we can do Dave" from the CPO. with a wink. > Dave What was the point of sending that letter again? _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:12:32 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Wayne Edelen" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt > And it starts with those who have taken on the task to enforce those laws. > > Following a Frederick County Sheriff yesterday, she made 3-4 lane > changes along route 70 without signaling (or even turning her head as > far as I could tell), then took the exit for 270S from 70W and merged > on the highway @ 50mph in front of another car who was doing 55-60mph > (55mph limit). She lazily sped up to 70mph and then merged into the > exit lane for 85 towards Buckeystown. A sedan passed her going about > 15-20mph over the limit with the driver READING SOME DOCUMENTS - she > never noticed. When I passed her, she was talking on the phone. :-\ > > I should have taken her cruiser number and license plate and followed > up with a complaint to the Sheriff's office, but almost every officer > I see around here is talking on the phone in while driving. Is talking on the phone while driving illegal in va now? she may have noticed, but i have noticed some cops pretend not to notice certain things for certain reasons... like.. choosing to do their job.. for one. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Dave Yates To: Danny Motorcycle Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:14:27 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt Knowing I would be able to post about it here & compel you to ask this question :-P Dave Yates Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2008, at 9:09 PM, "Danny Motorcycle" wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Dave Yates > wrote: > You guys are going about it the wrong way and sending the wrong > message. > > DO you really want cops enforcing 55 on the beltway, 45 on US 1, 35 > on Duke street, etc? OR do you want the chance to be able to > bargain for a break. > > Here's what I did about May time frame. Was following FCPD cruiser > down Kings hwy. FAST. REALLY FAST. No lights or siren and he was > throwing a hell of a block for me. > > Got to work sent the MV district staff a "thank you" for the officer > driving car ( I think it was 4160...), he threw the best block down > Kings Hwy. I've ever had. I didn't know a Crown Vic could go that > fast and stop at the bottom of the hill for the light. Some > sections of Summit Point are slower. Can he arrange to be on duty > and ready to throw my block on the way to work every morning. > > I did get a "we'll see what we can do Dave" from the CPO. with a wink. > Dave > > What was the point of sending that letter again? > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:16:36 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Dave Yates" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt shoot! Tricked by your evil genius again! ok so really, why? _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:33:27 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Kevin Wierschke" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: skip , B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Chain Tool This chain tool looks like the one I have. I bent the handle on mine. Mine has attatchments for different tasks and sized pins. I wonder if I got it from being mentioned on this list.. or if i have a different model. hmm _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Dave Yates" To: "Danny Motorcycle" , "Dave Yates" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:47:47 +0000 Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt Danny wondered: shoot! Tricked by your evil genius again! ok so really, why? [Dave] Really. That was it. ok, I didn't send a letter to them, I sent our community cop an email (the original post said "thank you" but I didn't clarify what method I used to communicate this.) He's since moved to another post but we had met a couple of times, exchanged some jokes by email. My belief was he would not go all official on the guy and as I said I don't want them pinned at the speed limit everywhere we go. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:38:44 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] pack riding at 140 miles per hour > Oh and it's probably still worth it to file for that tape. What tape? This was long before the almost universal practice of dashboard cams. Ditto on cell phones with recording devices. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Julian Halton To: B-DC cycles Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:11:51 -0400 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [dc-cycles] PAEAN and a plan 2AM. Coming home from job number two...One of those times when everything is perfect. Knees tight against the tank and so balanced you think you can remain stopped with both feet on the pegs and just exist. That clicking sound as you close your visor with one hand and there is already enough heat in the tires so when you downshift three taps in a row the tire is solid, planted. The temperature is perfect as I hit the traffic circle from Massachusetts Avenue. Not a car in sight, flick left roll on the gas, flick right and Dalecarlia parkway. I start down the hill and I tap the brake and roll off a few seconds later that green orb at the right side of the road resolves into an antlered buck giving me the eye. My mind wanders back for a brief moment...... Its Corbett Buford that got me into motorcycling. Showing up at a bar I worked at on his BMW K1200S a big grin on his face. I always wondered why he always had that grin plastered to his face EVERY TIME. He invited me to tag along to a couple of bike shows and it still did not click. He recommended I take the MSF and it was doing circles in that parking lot at NOVA Alexandria a few weeks later when the sheer joy of it was revealed. My first shaky ride on 66 at 45 miles an hour thinking what on earth have I got myself into. The course wasn't enough...Corbett insisted I get and read Proficient Motorcycling by David Hough and he insisted I sign up on this list. Then it was Paul Wilson who invited me on my first long ride and showed me how much fun it is to take the long way..the backroads way and just wonder 'what's down that way'. Lisa and Jay at the Motorcycle Leather Exchange for putting up with all my questions and selling me a VANSON two-piece and Held racing gloves. Jonathan Kalmes for riding with me and helping me work on my R6 and putting up with me worrying about the slightest ding. Everytime I am stopped and the first car rolls up behind me I remember 'bartman' getting rear-ended two or three c rs back and I stay in gear and off-line. It's been wonderful so far and it's been nice to pass the torch and turn a co-worker into a rider and get some friends signed up with the MSF. I am away this weekend, dropping my R6 off with Ed at Coleman's. I am back Tuesday evening so my bike needs to be dropped off before I travel. He said will do my service for me Tuesday and my bike should be ready when I get back Wednesday. How about a Dc-cycles happy hour? One nice evening...Asylum. Everybody welcome...Just show up and catch up and enjoy the weather and the ride. Anyone up? Julian _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-PGP-Universal: processed; by dhcp-0-10-191-236-132.worldbank.org on Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:01:53 -0400 From: "David A. Koran" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:01:44 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] D.C. Motorcycle Parking Map [Google Maps] Hi folks, new list member here. As the gas prices go up, and more and more folks ride in, I've been shorted some usual parking spots near work. I've also been dressed down by two D.C. Meter Wardens, and almost run into by an idiot trying to share the car space I had to commandeer the other day for a few hours. Anyhow, I'm not sure how current the MayorEric.com list was, but I took it upon myself to do a Google map for parking. It's shocking to not how may spots there are (as in "few") given the increased ridership and how they are stilted towards a certain section of town. Due to some of the fun of the security theater that's gone up around town, some spaces have disappeared, but here's the map for use on your phone or any other mode of mapping: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=38.906263,-77.032871&spn=0.139193,0.110722&z=13&msid=114066583653466842962.000455105473895cf9dc9 Enjoy, and if you have updates as to meter length (12, 4, 2) or cost per hour, etc. - or even new meters, let me know and I'll update the map. Sincerely, David P.S. - if anybody also have Maryland and Virginia spots, let me know as well _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles