From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 08/18/08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:37:47 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:14 PM, wrote: > Care to share a link to what you've got? :-) > > Scooter I always see ads for http://bohnarmor.com/ in the back of the bike rags. -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Julian Halton To: B-DC cycles Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:03:39 -0400 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [dc-cycles] Must read!!!! Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt I picked this book up last night. My page 23 I was laughing so hard I fell off my bed. "Finally it is often impossible to send a message to the offending driver in the first place. Yet we still get visibly, to an audience of no one. Katz argues that we are engaging in a kind of theatrical storytelling, inside of our cars, angrily 'constructing moral dramas' in which we are the wronged victims - and 'the avenging hero' - in some traffic epic of larger importance. It is not enough to think bad thoughts about the other driver; we get angry, in essence, to watch ourselves get angry. 'The angry driver' Katz argues, 'becomes a magician taken in by his or her own magic'. Sometimes says Katz, as part of this 'moral drama', an in an effort to create new meaning for the encounter, we will try to find out something after the fact about the driver who wronged us (perhaps speeding up to see them, meanwhile running down a mental checklist of potential villains (eg., women, men, teenagers, senior citizens, truck drivers, Democrats, Republicans, "idiots on cell phones" or if all else fails, simply idiots) efore finding a suitable resolution to the drama. I have only started this tour de force about traffic and I find it a gripping read spanning history, geography and culture to explain how and what traffic is and why we do what we do. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703-778-8405 _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:23:50 -0400 From: skip CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants I was on my way home from Ohio yesterday and stopped at a rest area. a bunch of Harley's pull up wearing jeans and vests. They comment on how hot I must be in all that gear. I point out that "all the ladies say that too!" I tell them that my dad always said to dress for the crash, not for the ride. "yeah, but it's so hot!" ah well. Bob Meyer wrote: > ATGATT (All the gear, all the time). You just can't predict when something stupid will happen. > > Glad to hear you weren't seriously hurt. > > > ---- Rich Hall wrote: >> I had a meeting yesterday morning. I didn't want to show up in full garb. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:43:44 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: skip Cc: dc cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants Yeah, here's my rejoinder, if I'm feeling snarky--"It may be a little warm, but it goes away as soon as I step off the bike and unzip, quite unlike road rash, contusions and broken bones." I don't go around dishing out unsolicited comments about other people's riding gear--I wish they would exercise their right to remain silent and return the favor. I do sweat in my leathers and Stich and full-face helmet, but I would think riding around at a highway speeds in anything less would be terribly de-hydrating, not to mention all the noise, wind-blast, bugs, etc. They're obviously at peace with that they're wearing--it's a choice. I don't think I'd last twenty minutes on the highway in jeans, leather vest, t-shirt and a shorty helmet. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:23 PM, skip wrote: > I was on my way home from Ohio yesterday and stopped at a rest area. a > bunch of Harley's pull up wearing jeans and vests. They comment on how > hot I must be in all that gear. I point out that "all the ladies say > that too!" > I tell them that my dad always said to dress for the crash, not for the > ride. > "yeah, but it's so hot!" > > ah well. > > > Bob Meyer wrote: >> ATGATT (All the gear, all the time). You just can't predict when something stupid will happen. >> >> Glad to hear you weren't seriously hurt. >> >> >> ---- Rich Hall wrote: >>> I had a meeting yesterday morning. I didn't want to show up in full garb. > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:51:42 -0400 From: "Matthew Bafford" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: skip , dc cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Paul Wilson wrote: > They're obviously at peace with that they're wearing--it's a choice. I > don't think I'd last twenty minutes on the highway in jeans, leather > vest, t-shirt and a shorty helmet. It's so true. For every day I'm sweating my ass off in my suit, there's another day when I'm shivering despite being fully covered (the motoport breathes surprisingly well although it's hard to believe on really hot days) I see people riding with no gear and wonder how they do it. Really, how do those people handle <65F naked at even 65 miles per hour? *brr* --Matthew _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:56:58 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Rich Hall wrote: > I had a meeting yesterday morning. I didn't want to show up in full garb. I left my pants at home. I had on my boots, jacket, gloves, full face. Sorry about the incident... hope you're alright. Bikes can be bought, fresh bones and ligaments are much harder to replace. > Be safe out there. Wear your gear. I should've put my leg armor on under my khakis or had my overpants on, like I do everyday, when I go directly to the office. I fight myself on this almost every morning. This morning I was on the bike and ready to roll out with helmet, gloves, boots, jacket... no overpants. I changed my mind at the last minute and got my overpants. The argument usually goes smthng like this... "It's a PITA to get the pants on when I've already got boots on." "It takes ONE MINUTE, everything else is wasted effort if you don't have knees." "Fine!" The moral to this story... it's really not as much of a pain in the ascot as I think it is and it's worth it to spend a minute of my life every day to raise the chances of retaining the ability to walk some day. Thanks for the post Rich, holler if there's anything you need with! --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Rest of signature truncated due to post lunch laziness. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:02:29 -0400 From: "Matthew Bafford" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:56 PM, smthng else wrote: > "It's a PITA to get the pants on when I've already got boots on." > "It takes ONE MINUTE, everything else is wasted effort if you don't have knees." > "Fine!" Not to be a motoport fanboy, but their pants aren't difficult at all even with boots on. Full length zipper on one side, crotch length zipper on the other. Oh, to the person who asked about the motoport, no, I don't have the mesh. I have the stretch kevlar. I'm actually curious about the mesh and might ask them to send a sample. If you want to feel any of the materials, they'll send a sample. If you want to see the suit construction (and live in the DC area), let me know and we might be able to meet up somewhere. --Matthew _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:03:31 -0400 From: skip CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants What I've found about the stich is that it's nowhere near as hot as you'd think it would be, nor is it as warm as you'd wish it was. if you're moving, the stich is fine in any temps we see around here. if you shift a little bit, you can get airflow in, and then your sweat can do its job - evaporating and keeping you cool. I have crash-tested aerostiches. once at a 45-50 mph accidental wheelie gone wrong, and once at a 25mph highside. In both cases, I got up, brushed myself off, and rode on. I'm a firm believer in them. Yes, they're expensive, but they're cheaper than a single skin graft. They aren't rain gear, as much as I'd like for them to be. They are a crash suit, and they do that job admirably. Matthew Bafford wrote: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Paul Wilson wrote: >> They're obviously at peace with that they're wearing--it's a choice. I >> don't think I'd last twenty minutes on the highway in jeans, leather >> vest, t-shirt and a shorty helmet. > > It's so true. For every day I'm sweating my ass off in my suit, > there's another day when I'm shivering despite being fully covered > (the motoport breathes surprisingly well although it's hard to believe > on really hot days) I see people riding with no gear and wonder how > they do it. > > Really, how do those people handle <65F naked at even 65 miles per hour? *brr* > > --Matthew > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:08:23 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:03 PM, skip wrote: > I have crash-tested aerostiches. once at a 45-50 mph accidental wheelie > gone wrong, Chumming the waters? I think we need some elaboration here. ;) --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 - It's here, but it hasn't earned a name yet. ;) http://smthng.info "If I'd known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself." _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:10:02 -0400 From: "Matthew Bafford" To: you@XXXXXX Cc: dc cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:08 PM, smthng else wrote: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:03 PM, skip wrote: >> I have crash-tested aerostiches. once at a 45-50 mph accidental wheelie >> gone wrong, > > Chumming the waters? > > I think we need some elaboration here. ;) To start, was the wheelie accidental, or was it the going wrong part you didn't intend? --Matthew _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:16:45 -0400 From: skip CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants Matthew Bafford wrote: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:08 PM, smthng else wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:03 PM, skip wrote: >>> I have crash-tested aerostiches. once at a 45-50 mph accidental wheelie >>> gone wrong, >> Chumming the waters? >> >> I think we need some elaboration here. ;) > > To start, was the wheelie accidental, or was it the going wrong part > you didn't intend? > > --Matthew I thought I'd told this story here... this happened in October of 07. My chosen route to work takes me on the back roads of Great Falls, where I grew up and currently reside. I am very familiar with the roads. Walker road ends in a 90 degree left hander onto Beach Mill, and there's a short hill right after. over the previous months, I'd been getting smoother in that turn, and getting really good drive out of it - to the point where I'd get a little front wheel air cresting the hill. I suppose you could call that a wheelie, but really, it was just a little bit of front wheel air... maybe 6"? On the fateful morning, I came out of the turn and got good drive, went over the hill and rolled off the throttle to bring the front back down. but the throttle stuck, and the wheel -launched- in the air. The tail of the bike hit and I slid off the back, on my butt. I slid over onto my side, and as I started to tumble, I pulled my arms in. I don't know how many times I went around. but I ended up in the ditch on the right side of the road, and the bike was down at the next intersection, both of us still in our lane. There were a number of cars going the opposite direction. I got up, checking myself for damage. I didn't notice any at the time, so I went down to the bike, and a guy helped me get it off the road. I had to convince several people that I was ok, that I didn't need an ambulance or the police. I started to walk back home when I realized that I hadn't checked to see if the bike still ran. I went back, and it did. so I rode it home. Shock is an amazing tool. My shoulder was dislocated from the tumbling, but that's not the suit's fault. http://blackroses.com/~skip/crash _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:55:18 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:16 PM, skip wrote: >> >> To start, was the wheelie accidental, or was it the going wrong part >> you didn't intend? >> >> --Matthew > > > I thought I'd told this story here... You did. Rich - sucks about the get off :-( If you're fixing the bike, and the rest of the exhaust can is still good, I have a like new oval SS Yosh exhaust sleeve. My full exhaust was stainless and I swapped in a carbon sleeve. It's yours free, just tell me where to send it or you can pick it up in Frederick. http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/Uber55/busa/almostdone.jpg -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Chris Norloff" To: "'dc cycles'" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:41:04 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Traffic, the book I just bought this book, and like a fellow lister, think it's great. I think I'll read it while driving home today. Chris _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:42:27 -0400 From: Bob Meyer To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear Just happened to run across this site a couple of minutes ago: http://www.bohn-armor-pants.com/ws1/catalog/draggin1.php?prod=BGLA-G -- Bob Meyer, #1157, Fairfax, Virginia '01 Candy Dark Red ST1100, "teSTarossa" Life is all about ass... You're either covering it, laughing it off, kicking it, kissing it, busting it, trying to get a piece of it, or behaving like one. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles