From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 08/17/08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:33:51 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: "=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93John_W.=94?=" , DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto Partz: John Wondered, Why the F(*^% do we put up with this shit? I have ordered a part for my wife's car, a Suzuki by the way, and the same day ordered a part for my Honda ST1100. Car part? Here the very next day. If I had been there by 10am. it would have been there the same day. The bike? The usual two weeks for a service part that should have been in stock at the dealer to begin with. What the hell is the difference? Why do motorcyclists put up with shit that no car owner would tolerate? I really want to know. [Carl]: I don't. Last time I ordered parts through a dealer was for my Suzuki (RIP) at Cycles USA . . . mmmm . . . many years ago. Two weeks passed and still no part. Learned that they only ordered parts once a week and only if they had a minimum order. I forget who I ordered the Suzuki parts from but they were on my door step in a few days -- for much less than Cycles USA had quoted. Now I only have Hondas. Parts come from Honda of Riverside/Discount Honda on Long Island. They have fiches for my old-enough-to-buy-likker bikes. Prices are good and the parts are usually on my door step within three days. The NX 650 speedo gear took a week. Carl (Happy wrencher) in Bethesda _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:59:52 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: "=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=94Rich_Hall=94?=" , DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear Yikes indeed. Heal well. Aerostich. Looks good over a suit. You'll look stylish doffing it in the office. Practice saying "Na noon na noo" and smiling to those who raise an eyebrow. For 15 years of commuting into DC, I wore khakis, loafers and a short sleeve shirt in the summer. Got a good tan on my arms. I was day-yum lucky that I was wearing a "motorcycle suit" and a blazer for my April 1 1983 low side just east of the Supreme Court. Lost no skin, just four broken ribs. Bought an Aerostich in 1997, and now feel weird not wearing it on a bike. For instance this afternoon, I hopped on the NX wearing shorts to take down our "yard sales" signs in my neighborhood. Felt nekkid. Something must be protecting idiots. Carl (Protected?) in Bethesda _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:05:05 -0400 From: Aaron To: "B-DC cycles" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] LEMON LAW was recommended Kawasaki service I need to correct something I said earlier in this thread... as pointed out to me by another lister, Virginia and Maryland DO cover motorcycles by their lemon laws. D.C. does not. (For what it's worth, neither do Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New York, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont.) _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:14:35 EDT To: motorpsychol@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear Care to share a link to what you've got? :-) Scooter In a message dated 8/16/2008 5:33:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, motorpsychol@XXXXXX writes: 99% of the time I ride in jeans and have motorcross knee protectors on, they cover the shin, knee, and halfway up the thigh (the version I have). Seems like a good insurance policy on a compramise to wearing regular pants. Fortunately in my years of wearing such, I can't recall a time using them. A buddy of mine did send himself into the grassy area off an exit ramp. First thing he said was "Glad I had my kneepads on". Then there was a woman on a local dual sport type list and showed her knee damage. In a street accident, the bike was fine.. but her knee required surgery. Not cool. IIRC she was down for quite a while, huge interuption in her life, due to knee damage. So to all you smart enough to wear full face helmets but wear pants like me, I highly recommend the knee protection too. They're making the protection less bulky and it can be worn under the pants. I got the ones that go halfway up the thighs because I always have this idea in the back of my mind that when my bike hits something i'll fly forward and my knees will hit the bars.. and probably in that lower thigh area. I remember one time years ago i did a front wheel lock up on some leaves and went face planted sliding forwards.. without a full face helmet I'd be a lot uglier than I already am. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:16:48 -0400 From: "Matthew Bafford" To: "Carl Custer" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Carl Custer wrote: > > Yikes indeed. Heal well. > Aerostich. Looks good over a suit. You'll look stylish doffing it in > Or motoport ultra II kevlar. That thing's saved my hide with minimal damage and been patched in 3 days. It's a bit bulky and not as stylish as some of the jackets other people wear, but I know it'll do what I need it to. I really need to get a mesh version, though. --Matthew _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:58:39 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: "Matthew Bafford" Cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear Matthew Boosted, "Or motoport ultra II kevlar. That thing's saved my hide with minimal damage and been patched in 3 days. It's a bit bulky and not as stylish as some of the jackets other people wear, but I know it'll do what I need it to. I really need to get a mesh version, though." [Carl]: Yup, there are some Motoport fans on SabMag. As for mesh, I bought a Joe Rocket Phoenix several moons ago and it''s great when plodding through traffic during DC's "Dog Days." Gave up on the pants because the 'Stich pants are so much easier to don and doff. Plus, the mesh pants transfer the engine heat through so darn well. Carl (Joe Rocket XL pants for sale) in Bethesda _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sasl-Enc: LhPt5KPa1sC2Twk+62Aoesr/zrw0GrKyGe9Zvqn+l2st 1218970190 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DCCycles" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:49:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:16:48 -0400, "Matthew Bafford" said: > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Carl Custer > wrote: > > > Yikes indeed. Heal well. Aerostich. Looks good over a suit. > > You'll look stylish doffing it in > > > > Or motoport ultra II kevlar. That thing's saved my hide with minimal > damage and been patched in 3 days. It's a bit bulky and not as > stylish as some of the jackets other people wear, but I know it'll do > what I need it to. I really need to get a mesh version, though. > > --Matthew My 10 year old Aerostich Darien has just about had it (zippers bust, worn through in a few spots, etc.) I was thinking of getting a one or two piece Roadcrafter to replace it, because then I'd be forced to wear the pants, where as when they are "optional" I forgo them a lot more than I use them. (I'd have the 2 piece Roadcrafter zipped together most of the time). But while doing the research, I came across information about the Motoport Ultra II Air Mesh Kevlar, and it does look good. I've also heard that the pants are a lot easier to put on than then Aerostich Darien pants, although they still are separate. They also have a one piece suit, but I haven't been able to find much information about it, other than what's on their website. Anyone have experience with any of these? (Matthew, it looks like the "Air Mesh Kevlar" is different from the version you have, am I reading that right?) The reason I'm considering them over the Aerostich (which I haven't ruled out yet) is they seem to allow a lot more ir flow. I'm the type who gets hot and sweaty, even when it's in the 70s. Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan Fairfax, VA 2007 Kawasaki Nomad Baltimore Washington Ride for Kids Task Force: http://www.firstgiving.com/louiscaplan The Tribe MC, Vice President: http://www.thetribemc.com Jewish Motorcyclist Alliance, Secretary: http://www.jewishbikers.com MSF RiderCoach: http://www.msf-usa.org _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:40:28 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Paul Wilson" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear Thats the problem today, everyone's always woried about corperate and lawyers.. now our hamburgers have warning labels on them. >From my experiences i've seen jeans have about a 50% chance of being "good enough" protection. I'm sure they fair a lot better than slacks. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:38:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear Louis reported: My 10 year old Aerostich Darien has just about had it (zippers bust, worn through in a few spots, etc.) I was thinking of getting a one or two piece Roadcrafter to replace it, because then I'd be forced to wear the pants, where as when they are "optional" I forgo them a lot more than I use them. (I'd have the 2 piece Roadcrafter zipped together most of the time). [Dave] Many moons ago I bought a dc-cycles certified pre-owned roadcrafter 2 pc., had it tailored to fit and have been wearing it as appropriate ever since. Works great for motos, dogs, kids and cats. Some hedge work too. ;-). Initially, I bought this to augment my vent tech 2pc over suit. Unfortunately they went under; I still have the jacket and pants. They worked very well for summer & the liners were nice. Now others have come along with good venting solutions. Even so, the stich has a full circumference zipper to attach the pants & jacket, rather than 12" of zipper attaching the suit together. The stich isn't perfect, there's definitely cooler jackets in the summer; and then there's the "Mr. Wilson no pants" (TMI Paul) for leggings. ... Motoport Ultra II Air Mesh Kevlar... Sounds nice. Could they shorten the title to, say... 2 words? ;-) Dave _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Rich Hall To: , , Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:51:20 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear I have the Icon leg armour. I should've had them on, under my khakis. I w= ear them w/ Draggin Jeans, for posing. I had the A*'s bionic knees, they w= ere too bulky. I usually wear Joe Rocket Phoenix pants to work and on rides. > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:14:35 -0400 > To: motorpsychol@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The one time I don't wear pants - Gear > = > Care to share a link to what you've got? :-) > = > Scooter > = > = > In a message dated 8/16/2008 5:33:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = > motorpsychol@XXXXXX writes: > = > 99% of the time I ride in jeans and have motorcross knee protectors on, > they cover > the shin, knee, and halfway up the thigh (the version I have). Seems l= ike > a good > insurance policy on a compramise to wearing regular pants. Fortunately = in > my years > of wearing such, I can't recall a time using them. A buddy of mine did > send himself > into the grassy area off an exit ramp. First thing he said was "Glad I h= ad > my kneepads on". > = > Then there was a woman on a local dual sport type list and showed her kn= ee > damage. > In a street accident, the bike was fine.. but her knee required surgery.= Not > cool. IIRC > she was down for quite a while, huge interuption in her life, due to kn= ee > damage. > = > So to all you smart enough to wear full face helmets but wear pants like= me, > I highly > recommend the knee protection too. They're making the protection less b= ulky > and > it can be worn under the pants. I got the ones that go halfway up the th= ighs > because > I always have this idea in the back of my mind that when my bike hits > something > i'll fly forward and my knees will hit the bars.. and probably in that l= ower > thigh area. > = > I remember one time years ago i did a front wheel lock up on some leaves= and > went > face planted sliding forwards.. without a full face helmet I'd be a lot > uglier than I already am. > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > = > = > = > = > = > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budge= t? = > Read reviews on AOL Autos. = > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=3Daol= aut00030000000007 ) > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Wind= ows=AE. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1XPXdqnuAAAA:8 a=_6WIhiSYfuim52FeDYoA:9 a=4C-iN65PNTC24YkrPwwA:7 a=vNUELoGQgbziMAsI0iaVwDXKPL0A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=lp0A9qSAQdEA:10 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:58:52 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: UGVuZ3VpbkJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Partz: --===============1593973388== *> John Wondered, >> What the hell is the difference? Why do motorcyclists put up with shit >> that no car owner would tolerate? From: "Carl Custer" > Two > weeks passed and still no part. Learned that they only ordered parts > once a week and only if they had a minimum order. Yea, Like I said. These dealers just do not realize that they are cutting their own throats. I mean even if we accept the “just toys” argument people want to play when the weather is nice but what happens? The bike needs a _little_ work and BOOM the summer is shot because the bike sits for a week or more waiting for someone to look at it and then weeks for parts and then, and then… $10,000 +- and it’s not even in my driveway looking sexy. And as for using a motorcycle for transportation, yea, right. “I will just take a month off of work while my bike gets fixed. What’s that? Fired?” "Screw this shit I'm getting a boat..." (Not me, John Q public) > Now I only have Hondas. Parts come from Honda of Riverside/Discount > Honda on Long Island. Thanks, bookmarked. John. --===============1593973388== _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles --===============1593973388==-- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=skCcmPAcSZ8A:10 a=853AuTicqzcA:10 a=Ujoz9hv_d1yZLiMLPggA:9 a=y4jtNZwfRSltfgLGlr8A:7 a=99qEjaTrnzs_PblRXgSylzK4qasA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=3hz09v0gtsMA:10 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:09:47 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: UGVuZ3VpbkJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service --===============0124726669== * -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Danny Motorcycle" > Anyone happen to know why is it, that MC manfucturers do > re-invent the wheel every few years? Well cars do the same thing but with a car you keep the same engine, frame, chassis and just tweak the metal and gizmos to have a “new” car. With bikes the engine _is_ the thing, changing it means re-invention. Competition in motorcycles especially sport motorcycles is fierce, they simply have to do it. There are bikes, like the Kawasaki Concours that stay(ed) the same for years because that market does not clamor for constant “upgrades.” > maybe it helps keeps bike prices high? Duh! (to be fair it’s the same with cars) > maybe if parts are easily interchangeable and cheap over 10 years, then > people would keep fixing their bikes instead of getting new ones? True, see Concours above. -- John Walters 99 Honda St1100 (Over 100,000 mi.) 83 BMW R80RT (Over 200,000 mi.) 76 Honda CR250M --===============0124726669== _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles --===============0124726669==--