From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 08/13/08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:25:53 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Dave Yates wrote: > First Paul, then John commented: >> A qt every 600 miles is "normal"? That's high-test grade BS. > > I have got to agree with that assessment, BS plain and simple be it a quart > every 1000mi. or every 600, not on a new bike. > > [Dave] We as users may think it's bs, but I assure you that big K will go > to the US Supreme Court to defend that standard or any other they > arbitrarily set for oil usage. So will any other manufacturer. Cage mfgrs. > Too. That's pretty close to what auto mfgr's use too. Although Dave has questionable taste in 2 wheelers ;-) he's right. I'm sure Kawasaki has a specification for oil usage and they have the dealers follow that spec for warranty claims. I've seen cars with specs that high, too. It's probably tied to some EPA mandate regarding emissions. If the oil is burning, it's coming out of the tailpipe and increasing emissions. GM's had that issue on lots of engines lately. The 2001 Corvette Z06 had a bulletin (recall - can't remember) for ring replacement because the cars used so much oil. High rpm, low load driving specifically. -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service When I wrote service for Porsche and BMW, their performance cars(911 Turbos= and BMW M cars)=A0had oil consumption issues as well.=A0When people compla= ined, the factory's had a "CYA" disclosure in the owners manual. Normal acc= eptable=A0consumption: 1qt of oil per every 1,000 to 1,500 miles. The oil being burned and sent out the tailpipe might explain why Mobil 1 an= d other "synthetic" motor oil manufacturers removed the high zinc content f= rom the oil (rendering it more or less useless in the opinions of many). How many qts of oil does a KLR hold? My Ninja holds 3. I can't imagine that= a factory would not warrant a problem where 1/3 of the oil in the crankcas= e is being consumed or burned, regardless of mileage on a new product. Not sure how Lemon Law applies to bikes, but (IIRC)=A03 visits in a car and= the problem not being corrected will allow you=A0use those words to=A0get = some results.=A0 I've personally seen customers walk in with brand new 911'= s that had similar issues.=A0 Porsche bought the car back from the customer= and gave them the option of another car identical to what they had.=A0 I'm= not suggesting Kawasaki would do this, but they may offer to give you a ne= w engine. Personally, that's the route I would go.=A0 You'll have a much sm= aller margin of error if the factory sends a dealer a new engine versus fin= ding someone reputable=A0who can do a tear down, and install some new rings= and or bearings/etc. Nick ----- Original Message ---- From: Wayne Edelen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Dave Yates wrote: > First Paul, then John commented: >> A qt every 600 miles is "normal"? That's high-test grade BS. > > I have got to agree with that assessment, BS plain and simple be it a qua= rt > every 1000mi. or every 600, not on a new bike. > > [Dave]=A0 We as users may think it's bs, but I assure you that big K will= go > to the US Supreme Court to defend that standard or any other they > arbitrarily set for oil usage.=A0 So will any other manufacturer.=A0 Cage= mfgrs. > Too.=A0 That's pretty close to what auto mfgr's use too. Although Dave has questionable taste in 2 wheelers=A0 ;-)=A0 he's right. I'm sure Kawasaki has a specification for oil usage and they have the dealers follow that spec for warranty claims.=A0 I've seen cars with specs that high, too.=A0 It's probably tied to some EPA mandate regarding emissions.=A0 If the oil is burning, it's coming out of the tailpipe and increasing emissions. GM's had that issue on lots of engines lately.=A0 The 2001 Corvette Z06 had a bulletin (recall - can't remember) for ring replacement because the cars used so much oil.=A0 High rpm, low load driving specifically. -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles = _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1360548459 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Aaron" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:20:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service The lemon law does not apply to bikes in Virginia, and I'm pretty sure the = same is true of Md. = Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Nick Thompson Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:10:40 = To: Wayne Edelen; Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service When I wrote service for Porsche and BMW, their performance cars(911 Turbos= and BMW M cars)=A0had oil consumption issues as well.=A0When people compla= ined, the factory's had a "CYA" disclosure in the owners manual. Normal acc= eptable=A0consumption: 1qt of oil per every 1,000 to 1,500 miles. The oil being burned and sent out the tailpipe might explain why Mobil 1 an= d other "synthetic" motor oil manufacturers removed the high zinc content f= rom the oil (rendering it more or less useless in the opinions of many). How many qts of oil does a KLR hold? My Ninja holds 3. I can't imagine that= a factory would not warrant a problem where 1/3 of the oil in the crankcas= e is being consumed or burned, regardless of mileage on a new product. Not sure how Lemon Law applies to bikes, but (IIRC)=A03 visits in a car and= the problem not being corrected will allow you=A0use those words to=A0get = some results.=A0 I've personally seen customers walk in with brand new 911'= s that had similar issues.=A0 Porsche bought the car back from the customer= and gave them the option of another car identical to what they had.=A0 I'm= not suggesting Kawasaki would do this, but they may offer to give you a ne= w engine. Personally, that's the route I would go.=A0 You'll have a much sm= aller margin of error if the factory sends a dealer a new engine versus fin= ding someone reputable=A0who can do a tear down, and install some new rings= and or bearings/etc. Nick ----- Original Message ---- From: Wayne Edelen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Dave Yates wrote: > First Paul, then John commented: >> A qt every 600 miles is "normal"? That's high-test grade BS. > > I have got to agree with that assessment, BS plain and simple be it a qua= rt > every 1000mi. or every 600, not on a new bike. > > [Dave]=A0 We as users may think it's bs, but I assure you that big K will= go > to the US Supreme Court to defend that standard or any other they > arbitrarily set for oil usage.=A0 So will any other manufacturer.=A0 Cage= mfgrs. > Too.=A0 That's pretty close to what auto mfgr's use too. Although Dave has questionable taste in 2 wheelers=A0 ;-)=A0 he's right. I'm sure Kawasaki has a specification for oil usage and they have the dealers follow that spec for warranty claims.=A0 I've seen cars with specs that high, too.=A0 It's probably tied to some EPA mandate regarding emissions.=A0 If the oil is burning, it's coming out of the tailpipe and increasing emissions. GM's had that issue on lots of engines lately.=A0 The 2001 Corvette Z06 had a bulletin (recall - can't remember) for ring replacement because the cars used so much oil.=A0 High rpm, low load driving specifically. -- Wayne _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles = _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:03:01 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service I'll try to get this thread back on track... I also have an '08 but it's not a burner. Let's just say I drive it fast and at high RPMs almost all the time. It handles it with no complaints and I've never had to top the oil. Some of the new KLRs are clearly oil consumers, many are fine. Depends on whether you managed to get a Friday or Monday bike I guess. My faster blue one was probably a Tuesday bike. ;) And now back to dealer warranty support... In my opinion, it's pretty much a giant suckfest around here. I've got to get a simple gasket replaced where the coolant goes into the engine on my K... it would take anyone with a clue 10 seconds to look at it and determine this. I'm currently waiting on Coleman to call me back and find a service manager who will verify that they'll keep the bike for four days before even looking at it for a warranty claim. This is pretty much their last shot at ever seeing a bike of mine again... so far the service department still lives up to the reputation they had when I dumped them about 4 years ago. I'll be calling my sales guy tomorrow if I don't hear from them, then I'll be tracking down a number for Kawi corporate. The only dealer I trust to really fix any of my bikes is Valley Cycles in Winchester. Yes, it's a long way out and a major pain if you have to get a bike out there, drop it off and get back into the city. But they're way more than fair, they don't expect you to wait two weeks for your bike, and they do excellent, careful work. When my FJR needs another valve adjustment, they're the ONLY ones who are going to see it unless someone does a real good job convincing me that there's another Yo'mama shop that actually gives a rodent's posterior about quality of work. If I had to get something fixed out of warranty, I'd use Fairfax Cycles. They've gotten my business twice for routine stuff (tires and such) and have good prices on parts and excellent service. They'll be installing another set of tires for me on Thursday. No experience with MFI or Manassas service. I'd be interested to hear about them both... how long it took anyone to get in the door, how long before they looked at it and gave an estimate, how long to get appropriate parts, how long to fix, how good of a job they did and how close they were to meeting the time expectations they set. --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 - It's here, but it hasn't earned a name yet. ;) http://smthng.info "If I'd known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself." On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Trevor Angel wrote: > I have an '08 KLR 650 oil-burner, and have to get a dealer to do new > rings etc under warranty (provided Kawasaki will agree to do it - last > time I complained it was burning 1qt/1000 miles, they said "that is in > the range of normal usage" - now its 1qt/600 so we'll see). > > So... can anyone recommend a good service center around DC? > > Thanks > > Trevor > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:04:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service Seconding Manassas HK: They've done my work for longtime. Or MFI, whose service manager is ex-MHK a few years ago and did good work for me then. Think of questions that will make you comfortable and vet them. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Are trials next after BMX at the Olympics? Green machines join the AMA. ---------- From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service In general, I've been pretty happy with the people at Manassas Honda-Kawi-Suzi. They seem to be pretty competent and up-front. I've never used them for anything major, though. Bob ---- Trevor Angel wrote: > I have an '08 KLR 650 oil-burner, and have to get a dealer to do new > rings etc under warranty (provided Kawasaki will agree to do it - last > time I complained it was burning 1qt/1000 miles, they said "that is in > the range of normal usage" - now its 1qt/600 so we'll see). > > So... can anyone recommend a good service center around DC? > > Thanks > > Trevor > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:43:59 -0400 From: Joel Harding To: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Some nice lady in a Thunderbird almost took me out SSBqdXN0IGFycml2ZWQgYmFjayBmcm9tIGEgd29uZGVyZnVsIHRyaXAgdG8gU291dGggRGFrb3Rh LiAgVGhvdXNhbmRzIG9mCmJpa2VycywgZXZlbiBnb3Qgc3R1Y2sgaW4gYSBoZWxsYWNpb3VzIHRy YWZmaWMgamFtIGluIENoaWNhZ28uICAgQnV0IHRoZQp0aGluZyB0aGF0IHRpY2tlZCBtZSBvZmYg d2FzIHRoZSBmb2xrcyBvbiBJLTcwIGFuZCBJLTI3MCBwbGF5aW5nIE5BU0NBUiwKdHJ1bHkgZGFu Z2Vyb3VzLiAgVGhlbiwgZXhpdGluZyB0aGUgQmVsdHdheSBhbmQgb24gSS05NSBTb3V0aCBldmVy eW9uZSBpcwpzd2l0Y2hpbmcgbGFuZXMgYW5kIHRocmVlIHNlcGFyYXRlIGNhZ2VzIGFsbW9zdCB0 b29rIG1lIG91dC4gIEkgd2VudCBiYWNrIHRvCndvcmsgeWVzdGVyZGF5IGFuZCB3aGVuIG9uZSBv ZiBteSBjb3dvcmtlcnMgc3VkZGVubHkgYXBwZWFyZWQgb24gbXkgc2hvdWxkZXIKd2hlbiBJIHdh cyBzaXR0aW5nIHNoZSBjb3VsZG4ndCB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIHdoeSBJIG5lYXJseSBqdW1wZWQgb3V0 IG9mIG15CnNraW4hICBJIHB1bGxlZCBpbiBhdCAxMCBBTSAobm9uc3RvcCkgYW5kIHdhcyBhdCB3 b3JrIGJ5IG5vb24sIHRvIHB1dCBpdCBpbgpwZXJzcGVjdGl2ZS4KCgpPbiA3LzI4LzA4IDU6MzEg UE0sICJQZW5ndWluQmlrZXJAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQiIDxQZW5ndWluQmlrZXJAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ+ Cndyb3RlOgoKPiAKPiAgLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgbWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tCj4gRnJvbTogbWF0dGhldyBwYXR0b24gPHBhdHRvbm1lQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4K Pj4gCj4+ICkjJCkoQCMkIHRoZSBoZWNrIGlzIHdpdGggdGhlIGRyaXZpbmc/IEkndmUgYmVlbiBh d2F5IGp1c3QgYSB5ZWFyIGFuZAo+PiBpdCdzIGdvdHRlbiBxdWl0ZSBhIGJpdCB3b3JzZSB0aGFu IEkgcmVtZW1iZXIuLi4gWWlrZXMhCj4gCj4gWW914oCadmUgYmVlbiBibG9ja2luZyB0aGUgbWVt b3J5IHRvIHByb3RlY3QgeW91ciBzYW5pdHkuCj4gCj4gLS0KPiBKb2huIFcuCj4gX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBkYy1jeWNsZXMgbWFpbGlu ZyBsaXN0Cj4gZGMtY3ljbGVzQGRjLWN5Y2xlcy5vcmcKPiBodHRwOi8vZGMtY3ljbGVzLm9yZy9t YWlsbWFuL2NnaS1iaW4vbGlzdGluZm8vZGMtY3ljbGVzCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KZGMtY3ljbGVzIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdApkYy1jeWNs ZXNAZGMtY3ljbGVzLm9yZwpodHRwOi8vZGMtY3ljbGVzLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2NnaS1iaW4vbGlz dGluZm8vZGMtY3ljbGVz _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-cOTXw43x5gA:10 a=Ci-UJI7Awg4A:10 a=LDFpKkA93_5kHHH9VAIA:9 a=WclW4dTfbjBEwp1bcaZIGp1rpxQA:4 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=KUJAPYlYduUA:10 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:08:07 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: UGVuZ3VpbkJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Some nice lady in a Thunderbird almost took me out --===============1207449337== -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Joel Harding > I just arrived back from a wonderful trip to South Dakota. > I pulled in at 10 AM (nonstop) and was at work by noon, to put it in > perspective. Got back to town after a two month trip around the country at 10pm. I had to be at work at midnight that night. _And_ I stopped to “visit” a girlfriend on the way to work. Ahhh to be young again... (this was in 76) And you do get out of practice in dealing with traffic when you have been out in the middle of nowhere for a while. -- John W. --===============1207449337== _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles --===============1207449337==-- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1193469202 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-bounces@XXXXXX, "List DC Cycles" From: dcmcrider@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:14:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Some nice lady in a Thunderbird almost took me out As the veteran of many a bike trip, it is disheartening when you cross into= that zone where the DC/Baltimore-area crazies start showing themselves and= you realize you're not in Kansas anymore. For me, coming in from the west,= it usually starts once you cross 81. ------Original Message------ From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: List DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Some nice lady in a Thunderbird almost took me out -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Joel Harding > I just arrived back from a wonderful trip to South Dakota. = > I pulled in at 10 AM (nonstop) and was at work by noon, to put it in > perspective. Got back to town after a two month trip around the country at 10pm. I had t= o be at work at midnight that night. _And_ I stopped to =93visit=94 a girlfriend on the way to work. Ahhh to be young again... (this was in 76) And you do get out of practice in dealing with traffic when you have been o= ut in the middle of nowhere for a while. -- John W. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:43:56 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DC-Cycles X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Some nice lady in a Thunderbird almost took me out Are some of you guys driving defensively? maybe that's your problem. Maybe you should be driving a little more offensively. A strong offense makes for a good defense? Are you cruising in the slow lane where the on ramps merge? gee cars merge on and cut you off? i'm shocked. Instead look for the gap in traffic and speed up to ride there where you'll be safe. Are you cruising and trying to merge to the exit amongst cars? well of course they're idiots.. so i'm suggesting drive more offensively. Instead of merging with the group of cars, look for the gap way before your exit and speed up to the gap. Same philosophy is good for just riding in general, speed up to the gaps in traffic, then cruise. No turns neccessary. Take advantage of the mobility of your vehicle, and ride less like a sitting duck. (just mentioning this for a few of you cruising types who havent' thought of it, but are nerve wracked from the dc area) _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:59:31 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Some nice lady in a Thunderbird almost took me out Er... did you look at the people who've been posting about this recently? Most of them are the ones I'd want riding around me, since they seem to have a clue. How someone rides doesn't make other people less stupid. All of the comments boil down to the following statement "I've ridden plenty of places, but the DC area drivers are asshats". That has nothing to do with how the person rides, it has everything to do with where we are. ...and yes, I saw your disclaimer on the last couple of lines, but that's kind of like walking up to someone, calling them an ass and then saying "I was talking to the guy across the street." --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 - It's here, but it hasn't earned a name yet. ;) http://smthng.info "If I'd known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself." On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Are some of you guys driving defensively? maybe that's your problem. Maybe > you > should be driving a little more offensively. A strong offense makes for a > good defense? > > Are you cruising in the slow lane where the on ramps merge? gee cars merge > on and > cut you off? i'm shocked. Instead look for the gap in traffic and speed up > to ride there > where you'll be safe. > > > Are you cruising and trying to merge to the exit amongst cars? > > well of course they're idiots.. so i'm suggesting drive more offensively. > Instead of merging with the group of cars, look for the gap way before your > exit and speed up to the gap. > > Same philosophy is good for just riding in general, speed up to the gaps in > traffic, then cruise. > No turns neccessary. > > Take advantage of the mobility of your vehicle, and ride less like a > sitting duck. > > (just mentioning this for a few of you cruising types who havent' thought of > it, > but are nerve wracked from the dc area) > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:30:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Some nice lady in a Thunderbird almost took me out JK contributed: Er... did you look at the people who've been posting about this recently? Most of them are the ones I'd want riding around me, since they seem to have a clue. How someone rides doesn't make other people less stupid. All of the comments boil down to the following statement "I've ridden plenty of places, but the DC area drivers are asshats". That has nothing to do with how the person rides, it has everything to do with where we are. [Dave] I think that Danny meant smthng else entirely ;-) Agreed, you simply cannot account for the unintelligent, under-intelligent, poorly skilled, inattentive, hair brushing, makeup applying, cell yakking maroons we drive with on a regular basis. OTOH, Danny's points are valid reminders that while you may not be able to know merely by observing whether or not your roadmates are deserving of a little genetic chlorine, you can make yourself less of a target for stupidity by being more mobile. Actually, Danny's advice about exits isn't unique, I remember it from my MSF class (whether it was part of the curriculum or not). My few pieces of eight. Dave _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles