From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 08/12/08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson To: DC-Cycles X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] This solution seems to work. A good friend of mine was in Calcutta last year and showed me the video he = took while in a cab.=A0 This view makes it look easy.=A0 The video he=A0sho= wed me was a bit nerve racking. I don't think I could nor would I want to drive there.=A0 From what I hear,= all of the horn blowing is a type of communication between drivers.=A0 I have to give respect to those drivers.=A0 No traffic=A0organization at al= l, yet no accidents or gridlock.=A0 Try that in DC rush hour and you'd be b= etter off on foot. Nick ----- Original Message ---- From: W.S. To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] This solution seems to work. Indian traffic:=A0 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT8Doy_7sOoM Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Ahhhh, a challenge. Green machines join the AMA. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles = _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:10:48 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What is a "Kauppi Weave?" Was: Road to Boring The Kauppi Weave(tm) is a visibility technique. Let's say you're on a 4 lane, divided highway, and an oncoming car is wanting to turn left across your travel lane. Drive -right at them- and swerve back and forth a couple times. It makes your headlight appear to flash, and they're more likely to see you. --skip David Blumgart wrote: > > >> http://www.blackroses.com/~skip/wordpress/?p=285 >> > > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:21:05 -0400 From: "Trevor Angel" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service I have an '08 KLR 650 oil-burner, and have to get a dealer to do new rings etc under warranty (provided Kawasaki will agree to do it - last time I complained it was burning 1qt/1000 miles, they said "that is in the range of normal usage" - now its 1qt/600 so we'll see). So... can anyone recommend a good service center around DC? Thanks Trevor _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1900239414 To: "Trevor Angel" , "List DC Cycles" From: dcmcrider@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:32:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service A qt every 600 miles is "normal"? That's high-test grade BS. I had a 1990 KLR that never burned a drop. The only time it ever "used" oil was thanks to the PO ruining the output shaft seal. He ran the chain too tight. P ------Original Message------ From: Trevor Angel To: List DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service I have an '08 KLR 650 oil-burner, and have to get a dealer to do new rings etc under warranty (provided Kawasaki will agree to do it - last time I complained it was burning 1qt/1000 miles, they said "that is in the range of normal usage" - now its 1qt/600 so we'll see). So... can anyone recommend a good service center around DC? Thanks Trevor _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:44:31 -0400 From: "Trevor Angel" To: dcmcrider@XXXXXX Cc: List DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service No - a qt/1000 is "normal"... I want to find out what they say about 1qt/600. Thing is, it only does it at higher speeds - keep revs below about 4500 and it's fine. But get out on the interstate at 5k or more and it drinks it down. As much as I hate having to drag down the interstate, it's unavoidable at times. So I need Kawasaki to fix the bloody thing. I just got back from 16 days/6000 miles out west, used 7 qts, I was buying supplies at Walmart every few days.... On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM, wrote: > A qt every 600 miles is "normal"? That's high-test grade BS. I had a 1990 KLR that never burned a drop. The only time it ever "used" oil was thanks to the PO ruining the output shaft seal. He ran the chain too tight. > > P > ------Original Message------ > From: Trevor Angel > Sender: > To: List DC Cycles > Sent: Aug 12, 2008 16:21 > Subject: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service > > I have an '08 KLR 650 oil-burner, and have to get a dealer to do new > rings etc under warranty (provided Kawasaki will agree to do it - last > time I complained it was burning 1qt/1000 miles, they said "that is in > the range of normal usage" - now its 1qt/600 so we'll see). > > So... can anyone recommend a good service center around DC? > > Thanks > > Trevor > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=skCcmPAcSZ8A:10 a=853AuTicqzcA:10 a=QV4Q70CSBi3dOJGExM8A:9 a=0UsJ7j4_YjW4fBBv4aiy5fFN-oUA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=KUJAPYlYduUA:10 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:46:09 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: UGVuZ3VpbkJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: dcmcrider@XXXXXX > A qt every 600 miles is "normal"? That's high-test grade BS. I have got to agree with that assessment, BS plain and simple be it a quart every 1000mi. or every 600, not on a new bike. -- John Walters 99 Honda St1100 (Over 100,000 mi.) 83 BMW R80RT (Over 200,000 mi.) 76 Honda CR250M And 8 years as a full time motorcycle mechanic. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:51:27 -0400 From: "Trevor Angel" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: B-DC cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service > BS plain and simple be it a quart every 1000mi. or every 600, not on a new bike. Or even an old bike - I had an R90/6 beemer with over 100,000 miles on it that used less. I had two-strokes that didn't use much more than that. So yes I think it's a case of Kawasaki denying the obvious - they screwed up with some of the changes they made on the '08 KLR. So just looking for a dealer who'll make it right and not introduce any new problems. Trevor > -- > John Walters > 99 Honda St1100 (Over 100,000 mi.) > 83 BMW R80RT (Over 200,000 mi.) > 76 Honda CR250M > > And 8 years as a full time motorcycle mechanic. > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:42:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service I have to ask, what kind of breakin did you do? Motoman or by the book? On Tuesday 12 August 2008 16:21, Trevor Angel wrote: > I have an '08 KLR 650 oil-burner, and have to get a dealer to do new > rings etc under warranty (provided Kawasaki will agree to do it - last > time I complained it was burning 1qt/1000 miles, they said "that is in > the range of normal usage" - now its 1qt/600 so we'll see). _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Dave Yates" To: , "'B-DC cycles'" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:15:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service First Paul, then John commented: > A qt every 600 miles is "normal"? That's high-test grade BS. I have got to agree with that assessment, BS plain and simple be it a quart every 1000mi. or every 600, not on a new bike. [Dave] We as users may think it's bs, but I assure you that big K will go to the US Supreme Court to defend that standard or any other they arbitrarily set for oil usage. So will any other manufacturer. Cage mfgrs. Too. That's pretty close to what auto mfgr's use too. I've only used MFI in woodbridge once, so I can't accurately say whether or not they're good, qualified or will give you a fair shake. I would say that I'd be very leery of a motorcycle that had such problems from the get go and once they fixed it I'd trade off. Sure they may be able to fix it correctly but what if it's something more major than rings? I have better things to do than wait on the call from the svc dept. Like... Ride. My few pieces of eight. Dave _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1564481332 To: "Dan" , "List DC Cycles" From: dcmcrider@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:15:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service Probably just a bum engine with rings or valve guides not seated probably. Or maybe the cylinder not machined properly to spec. With only one, it's going to use a crapload of oil. Start talking "lemon law" and the dealer might change his tune. ------Original Message------ From: Dan To: List DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service I have to ask, what kind of breakin did you do? Motoman or by the book? On Tuesday 12 August 2008 16:21, Trevor Angel wrote: > I have an '08 KLR 650 oil-burner, and have to get a dealer to do new > rings etc under warranty (provided Kawasaki will agree to do it - last > time I complained it was burning 1qt/1000 miles, they said "that is in > the range of normal usage" - now its 1qt/600 so we'll see). _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:35:01 -0400 From: "Trevor Angel" To: dcmcrider@XXXXXX Cc: List DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service > Probably just a bum engine with rings or valve guides not seated probably. Or maybe the cylinder not machined properly to spec. I'm not the only one with this problem. A decent percentage of '08's have it. I think I will be able to get them to warranty it, but I'm looking for a competent dealer to do the work. Don't want to get it back in worse shape than it is going in! If I thought that was going to be the case I'd just get a 685cc kit (not that expensive) and do the work myself. And get a few extra horses to boot. But I shouldn't have to do that on a new bike. Trevor _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:38:38 -0400 From: Bob Meyer To: Trevor Angel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recommended Kawasaki service In general, I've been pretty happy with the people at Manassas Honda-Kawi-Suzi. They seem to be pretty competent and up-front. I've never used them for anything major, though. Bob ---- Trevor Angel wrote: > I have an '08 KLR 650 oil-burner, and have to get a dealer to do new > rings etc under warranty (provided Kawasaki will agree to do it - last > time I complained it was burning 1qt/1000 miles, they said "that is in > the range of normal usage" - now its 1qt/600 so we'll see). > > So... can anyone recommend a good service center around DC? > > Thanks > > Trevor > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles -- Bob Meyer, #1157, Fairfax, Virginia '01 Candy Dark Red ST1100, "teSTarossa" Life is all about ass... You're either covering it, laughing it off, kicking it, kissing it, busting it, trying to get a piece of it, or behaving like one. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles