From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Errors-To: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 02/10/06 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,101,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="1924496178:sNHT5133216458" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:39:30 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! Thanks for the recommendation! However, Michael is correct, be careful to make sure the weather is cooperating before riding here. While I may live in NC, we had a few inches of snow over the weekend and flurries both yesterday and today. While running the dealership is keeping me way too busy along with finishing grad school. I am due to graduate in May and will hopefully have more time to go to these events in the future! Lisa Goddard Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:06:13 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > If the weather forecast is good, I will take the BRP as far as Boone, NC; If you hit Boone, be sure to stop in at Jay & Lisa Goddard's (ex-DC-Cycles folks) Honda shop and say hi. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:12:38 -0500 From: Carl Custer To: SABMAG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: turkeyfreer@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] 1983 VF750F FOR SALE - $600 Contact him, not me. Pictures look great. "Craig Freer [mailto:turkeyfreer@XXXXXX] To: Custer, Carl Subject: Re: 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE - $700 Know anyone who might like this bike for a great deal? Looking to to get $600 for it (had it listed at $800). Had a serious buyer who pulled a no show on pick-up and pay day! Need to move it soon. Thanks! Craig" [Carl]: I'm willing to sniff but I already have two Interceptors: One running (and big-grin-producing) one "project" bike. Feb 1, I posted: 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE - $700 "1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE: Great project or parts bike! Bought with the intention of restoring I just don't have the time. My loss is your gain! Bike has all original body panels, including lower cowl. They will need to be sanded and painted to match. New windscreen and ignition already installed. This is a classic with lots of potential! Clean title ready for transfer! Will entertain all serious offers. Pictures available by email." _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:46:55 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps were -3c (22 F) with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on jeans, my field sheer mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia vest, thin runners gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and of course the trusty Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! The tires and the road surface were not playing well. I decided that since wind chill increases with speed, I was going to take my time and cruise home at a leisurely 45 miles per hour or so. By the time I hit Georgetown, my hands were packed in. By the time I hit my apartment door at in South Arlington, the nerve endings in my fingers were screaming. I made it. I had to cheat by at one point wrapping my hands around the undertail and gaining some heat from the undertail exhaust. I think this was the third coldest my hands have ever been on a bike and I have decided that this will be my temperature limit to ride for more than twenty minutes. I had an emergency plan in my head of various stops I could have made if I really needed to warm the hands up. I wonder why the pads of the fingers get colder than the outside. Is it because of contact with the icy cold clutch and brake levers? Bummed to hear we are expecting some serious snow! So if you have read this far, I have a totally unrelated question. I was perusing my favorite literature before passing out and I saw an ad for the Escort X 80..some do-it-all; radar slash laser detector. Has anyone on the list anecdotally heard of the efficacy of these devices or are they just another scam central? Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've heard you can't beat a Valentine 1 radar detector (the former CEO of the Escort company, which used to be called Cincinnati Microwave) now has his own company. But it sounds to me you need some electrics. May I suggest: http://www.gerbing.com/ Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps > were -3c (22 F) > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on > jeans, my field sheer > mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia > vest, thin runners > gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and > of course the trusty > Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! The tires and the > road surface were not > playing well. I decided that since wind chill > increases with speed, I > was going to take my time and cruise home at a > leisurely 45 miles per > hour or so. By the time I hit Georgetown, my hands > were packed in. By > the time I hit my apartment door at in South > Arlington, the nerve > endings in my fingers were screaming. I made it. I > had to cheat by at > one point wrapping my hands around the undertail and > gaining some heat > from the undertail exhaust. I think this was the > third coldest my hands > have ever been on a bike and I have decided that > this will be my > temperature limit to ride for more than twenty > minutes. I had an > emergency plan in my head of various stops I could > have made if I really > needed to warm the hands up. I wonder why the pads > of the fingers get > colder than the outside. Is it because of contact > with the icy cold > clutch and brake levers? > > Bummed to hear we are expecting some serious snow! > > So if you have read this far, I have a totally > unrelated question. I was > perusing my favorite literature before passing out > and I saw an ad for > the Escort X 80..some do-it-all; radar slash laser > detector. Has anyone > on the list anecdotally heard of the efficacy of > these devices or are > they just another scam central? > > > > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:35:48 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX sounds to me like you need a car. :) I can't recall if you have one? It doesn't make sense to wear good riding gear to maintain your good health, only to skimp on cold weather gear, catch pnemonia and be in ill health or die. Why buy pretty good quality gear, only for one aspect of riding. You wont' regret buying a heated vest, buy one. - Danny _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:50:54 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Danny Motorcycle" Cc: I wasn't complaining about my gear or the conditions except for my hands. The old back is acting up so my heavy Vanson leather is off limits for now. My light Fieldsheer combined with a sweater and vest underneath does the trick. I was sent a link to heated grips and am checking those out. Another guy that bartends and rides just got them installed and he loved them until he left them on and could not get home one night at 3AM. I will send you guys the link I found to a very unique pair of gloves when I dig it up. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. sounds to me like you need a car. :) I can't recall if you have one? It doesn't make sense to wear good riding gear to maintain your good health, only to skimp on cold weather gear, catch pnemonia and be in ill health or die. Why buy pretty good quality gear, only for one aspect of riding. You wont' regret buying a heated vest, buy one. - Danny _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:27:40 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. Cc: At 2/10/2006 11:50 AM, Julian Halton wrote: >My light Fieldsheer combined with a sweater and vest >underneath does the trick. I was sent a link to heated grips and am >checking those out. Another guy that bartends and rides just got them >installed and he loved them until he left them on and could not get >home one night at 3AM. Coldest I've ridden in so far was about 26 degrees, but I've been out a number of times when it was in the 30s. I usually wear a full face helmet, T-shirt, leather vest, and Harley FXRG leather jacket (if it's really cold I swap (or add) a sweatshirt for the T-shirt), long johns, jeans and FXRG leather pants, Sidhe boots and hunting socks with sock liners, and gloves. If it's cold enough for all that, I use my Harley (made by Gerbing for H-D) heated gloves, and if it's below 35 I turn on the electricity (they have enough insulation to be warm enough without it above that). That setup is good for at least an hour of riding before I start feeling any chill...and that's in the feet (I'm looking at getting heated socks to eliminate that problem). I haven't seen any need yet for heated pants or vest or jacket or heated grips or seat. YMMV. I like the layered setup better than all electric, like some folks I know use, since I'm still warm when we stop, while they start freezing as soon as they unplug, and if the bike ever breaks down I'd rather be warm while waiting for a tow. I'm also better protected in a fall than they are, and it seems more likely to go down in winter than in summer, what with sand, ice and huge potholes being more common in the winter. On the other hand, when we reach a destination and go inside somewhere, like a restaurant, they are often more comfortable, and the extra bulk makes doing things like looking back for lane changes, or just getting onto the bike, more effort. There are always tradeoffs, depending on what sort of riding you like to do, but that setup works for me with the sort of recreational riding I do. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:35:04 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In addition to the other things that were mentioned, hand guards will keep the wind off and hands will be much warmer. I haven't had to wear electric gloves or my heavy pair of mittens yet this season. I also bought a snowmachine suit to use instead of my Aerostich RoadCrafter in cold weather. What a difference! The RoadCrafter has the $300 Thinsulate option, but it's not nearly as warm as the $100 snow suit. The snowsuit is much harder to don and doff; I have to remove my boots to get my feet through the legs, but it's much warmer. With the proper gear under it, I could probably do without electrics down to about 20F. Heading up to New York tomorrow. This weekend is the 88th Annual Crotona Midnight Run. (http://www.ramapomc.org/88th Annual CMR.pdf) It's been called off because of snow a couple of times, but it doesn't look like there will be enough snow to stop it this year. If you see a yellow V-Strom rolling north in the wee hours of tomorrow morning, wave. I hope to depart around 4AM or so. Leon. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps > were -3c (22 F) > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on > jeans, my field sheer > mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia > vest, thin runners > gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and > of course the trusty > Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Cold weather riding All those suggestions are great. SInce i ride unless there's ice or snow, I tend to do a lot of cold weather riding. Just ask Long John on the list. I usually don't break out the long underwear until it gets to be in the 20s. I go for the layered deal more than the electrics but I also don't care about whether i look like a stay puff or not. As far as gloves go the only thing I've ever used are a set of regular gauntlet style gloves with snowboard mitts over them in the cold. I'm also somewhat cheap when it comes to buying new things, not on gear mind you but if I've got something usable already I go for that first before coughing up more money. One last thing, since we're comparing coldest temps ridden in I believe that last years 13F day was the coldest I've been out in yet. Oh and other news does anyone have a friend or relative in town from PA who came to see a show at Arena Stage last night and ride a R6? I didn't get a chance to stop and say hi to them on the street since I was more interested in getting home and to my bed. Oh and one other I saw you/I rode with you into DC. Does anyone on the list ride what looks to be a Triumph Speed Triple and where a bright Orange helmet during the morning commute? I rode in, sort of, with you the other day on 395N. Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:13 -0500 To: Ian Schmidt , DCcycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold weather riding At 2/10/2006 01:56 PM, Ian Schmidt wrote: >I go for the layered deal more >than the electrics but I also don't care about whether >i look like a stay puff or not. You don't have to look too puffy to be layered. Here's a pic of me the weekend after New Year's Day at High Top up north of Frederick. I'm wearing all the stuff I described: http://www.mchog.com/PhotoGallery/2006Pictures/06JanPickUpRide/06JanPickUp06.jpg I think the temp in Rockville was about 42 that day, and a bit colder (a few degrees) up in the mountains. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:46:15 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Leon Begeman" , Check these out: http://cozywinters.com/shop/zs-hgx.html Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. In addition to the other things that were mentioned, hand guards will keep the wind off and hands will be much warmer. I haven't had to wear electric gloves or my heavy pair of mittens yet this season. I also bought a snowmachine suit to use instead of my Aerostich RoadCrafter in cold weather. What a difference! The RoadCrafter has the $300 Thinsulate option, but it's not nearly as warm as the $100 snow suit. The snowsuit is much harder to don and doff; I have to remove my boots to get my feet through the legs, but it's much warmer. With the proper gear under it, I could probably do without electrics down to about 20F. Heading up to New York tomorrow. This weekend is the 88th Annual Crotona Midnight Run. (http://www.ramapomc.org/88th Annual CMR.pdf) It's been called off because of snow a couple of times, but it doesn't look like there will be enough snow to stop it this year. If you see a yellow V-Strom rolling north in the wee hours of tomorrow morning, wave. I hope to depart around 4AM or so. Leon. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps were -3c (22 F) > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on jeans, my field > sheer mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia vest, thin > runners gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and of course > the trusty Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:13:18 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I can put up with a lot of fiddling with wires for the extra $100 that those gloves cost. http://www.gerbing.com http://www.widder.com Leon. --- Julian Halton wrote: > Check these out: > http://cozywinters.com/shop/zs-hgx.html > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:35 PM > To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a > question. > > In addition to the other things that were mentioned, > hand guards will > keep the wind off and hands will be much warmer. I > haven't had to wear > electric gloves or my heavy pair of mittens yet this > season. > > I also bought a snowmachine suit to use instead of > my Aerostich > RoadCrafter in cold weather. What a difference! > The RoadCrafter has > the $300 Thinsulate option, but it's not nearly as > warm as the $100 snow > suit. The snowsuit is much harder to don and doff; > I have to remove my > boots to get my feet through the legs, but it's much > warmer. With the > proper gear under it, I could probably do without > electrics down to > about 20F. > > Heading up to New York tomorrow. This weekend is > the 88th Annual > Crotona Midnight Run. > (http://www.ramapomc.org/88th Annual CMR.pdf) It's > been called off > because of snow a couple of times, but it doesn't > look like there will > be enough snow to stop it this year. If you see a > yellow V-Strom > rolling north in the wee hours of tomorrow morning, > wave. I hope to > depart around 4AM or so. > > Leon. > > --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > > > > > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. > Temps were -3c (22 F) > > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on > jeans, my field > > sheer mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a > Patagonia vest, thin > > runners gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing > gloves and of course > > the trusty Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 1983 VF750F FOR SALE - $600 To: Carl Custer , SABMAG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: turkeyfreer@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:37:43 -0500 Listing has expired. Do you have other info? On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:12:38 -0500 Carl Custer wrote: > Contact him, not me. > Pictures look great. > > "Craig Freer [mailto:turkeyfreer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:26 PM > To: Custer, Carl > Subject: Re: 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE - > $700 > > Know anyone who might like this bike for a great deal? > Looking to to > get $600 for it (had it listed at $800). Had a serious > buyer who > pulled a no show on pick-up and pay day! Need to move it > soon. > > Thanks! > Craig" > > [Carl]: > I'm willing to sniff but I already have two Interceptors: > One running (and big-grin-producing) one "project" bike. > > Feb 1, I posted: > 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE - $700 > > > "1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE: Great project or > parts bike! > Bought with the intention of restoring I just don't have > the time. My > loss is your gain! Bike has all original body panels, > including lower > cowl. They will need to be sanded and painted to match. > New windscreen > and ignition already installed. This is a classic with > lots of > potential! Clean title ready for transfer! Will entertain > all serious > offers. Pictures available by email." >