From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Errors-To: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 12/15/05 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:06:29 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a2ab5c423c831361ab5eb74bd21e11fe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Hork indicated: I always thought the "dc" in dc-cycles stood for Dale City. :) [Dave] +1. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:32:49 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Dave Blumgart wrote: >Tom De Boeser wrote: > > > >>>better own a BFG. and while not exclusive to PG, the crime and >>> >>> >school > > >>>issues are VERY scary... >>> >>> > >Oh please, get a grip. > > > >I lived in inside-the-Beltway PGC for over 35 years without feeling the >need for any firearm. > I too lived in PG for about 25 years, and never owned a firearm. >If anyone wants to shoot me, they're going to >have to bring their own gun. In fact, the only serious crime we've >experienced has been due almost entirely to our own negligence. > > Yeah, I shouldn't have parked my car in front of my house those 3 times... >Meanwhile I know people in ritzy Potomac, Maryland who've had the >pleasure of being bound and gagged during an armed home invasion. > Um, the stories you don't hear about... ( don't remmeber) beatings in townhome parking lots, right in front of other peoples homes. I recall some kids deciding that it was time to drive around take pot shots at people, bump into a few cars ( with people in them ), and finish the night by beating, kidnapping and executing a couple - who were on the way back from dinner, guess they shouldn't have gone to dinner - thier fault. Oh yeah, I guess someone needed donuts and money - so kill three people and burn the place down... ugh enough we NEED lane splitting!!!! > You >got to live your life and take your chances in this world. There's >crime anywhere you go. > And exposing me, my wife, and my kids to less crime is better. > Even Asheville. Oh, and we've successfully sent >two children to excellent colleges using the PGC school system, thank >you very much. > > Good job! >Returning to motorcycles - the list is about motorcycles [Thank you, >Arlo] - we're all unhappy with the congestion and consequent lousy >riding conditions in our area. > I agree !! LANE SPLITTING!!!! >While I'm not criticizing the very >personal decision of where one chooses to live, as adults you learn to >take ownership of the consequences of your actions. > Which happens very little in PG. > That includes the >choice to move to the exurbs rather than rehabbing DC and post-war >suburbs - due at least in some part because of the sort of >fear-mongering expressed above. > > You stay and fix it, now that your kids are in college... maybe when my kids are gone I'll come back and help... na, you keep it. Fear mongering? Ha! numbers, man RAW numbers, no stats, just number accross the board. MC content --- LANE SPLITTING --- http://www.abateofva.com/ !!! Tom de _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:11:28 -0600 (CST) From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls Just for those who were wondering if the Greenway tolls are going up and when. I have no idea what it costs now but I suspect it's much less than what it *will* be. -aki ************************************************************* Va. Tolls To Increase Soon Dulles Greenway Toll Will Get More Expensive Drivers in Virginia will soon have to pay a little more to use the Dulles Greenway toll. Toll fees are going up for the sixth time in 10 years. The new fees will begin Jan. 1. Most drivers will now pay $3.20 on weekdays, and $3 on the weekends. In addition, discounts during non-peak hours and for Smart Tag users will be eliminated. About 70,000 vehicles travel daily on the 14-mile road that connects Loudoun County to Dulles Airport and the Dulles Toll Road. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:54:52 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 70,000 x $6.40 round trip = $448,000 per day = ~$500,000,000 per year. 500 million dollars a year. wow! Thanks for the info. - Jimmy --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > Just for those who were wondering if the Greenway tolls are going > up and when. I have no idea what it costs now but I suspect it's > much less than what it *will* be. > -aki > > > ************************************************************* > > Va. Tolls To Increase Soon > Dulles Greenway Toll Will Get More Expensive > Drivers in Virginia will soon have to pay a little more to use the > Dulles Greenway toll. > > Toll fees are going up for the sixth time in 10 years. The new fees > will begin Jan. 1. > > Most drivers will now pay $3.20 on weekdays, and $3 on the > weekends. > > In addition, discounts during non-peak hours and for Smart Tag > users will be eliminated. > > About 70,000 vehicles travel daily on the 14-mile road that > connects Loudoun County to Dulles Airport and the Dulles Toll Road. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:04:47 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_[dc-cycles]_=A0Follow-up_on_Greenway_Tolls?= To: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: James O'Connor >Date: Thu Dec 15 15:54:52 CST 2005 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls >70,000 x $6.40 round trip = $448,000 per day = ~$500,000,000 per >year. 500 million dollars a year. wow! > >Thanks for the info. > >- Jimmy > hell, I'll take over for HALF that price! ;-) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:24:50 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 12/15/05, James O'Connor wrote: > 70,000 x $6.40 round trip = $448,000 per day = ~$500,000,000 per > year. 500 million dollars a year. wow! > > Thanks for the info. > > - Jimmy > Whoa, not to pick on you James, but I wonder how you got your numbers! They appeared so far out of whack, I just *had* to take a look. Since I do this for a living (estimates) a little precision and plausible assumption-making is required. :) The story is vague, but it's likely not 70,000 round trips and the full fares are only charged about 250 days a year, subtracting out weekends and all those gubmint holidays. I've travelled the Greenway on the weekends and it's pretty deserted. Also, some people don't go all the way to/from Leesburg, so not everyone is paying $3.20 either. Also, that's 70,000 vehicles *today.* Demand elasticity will kick in when the price goes up, resulting in fewer vehicles. So, let's assume it's 66,500 vehicles (a 5% elasticity drop off) per 250 workdays at $3 ea. and a WAG of 20,000 vehicles per 115 weekend/holidays at $2.80 ea. Under this conservative scenario, I get revenues of $56 million a year. And then, there is the not so small matter of the Greenway's expenses, like servicing the bonds that built the beast, maintenance, and employee costs. In fact, the Greenway was teetering on the brink of insolvency a few years ago. I seriously doubt that after this increase they're going to be rolling in dough. -Paul in DC _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:28:50 -0500 Your math is a little suspect. $448,000 x 250 work days per year = $112,000,000 The other 110 days won't produce nearly as much. FYI and still a lot of money. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls 70,000 x $6.40 round trip = $448,000 per day = ~$500,000,000 per year. 500 million dollars a year. wow! Thanks for the info. - Jimmy --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > Just for those who were wondering if the Greenway tolls are going > up and when. I have no idea what it costs now but I suspect it's > much less than what it *will* be. > -aki > > > ************************************************************* > > Va. Tolls To Increase Soon > Dulles Greenway Toll Will Get More Expensive > Drivers in Virginia will soon have to pay a little more to use the > Dulles Greenway toll. > > Toll fees are going up for the sixth time in 10 years. The new fees > will begin Jan. 1. > > Most drivers will now pay $3.20 on weekdays, and $3 on the > weekends. > > In addition, discounts during non-peak hours and for Smart Tag > users will be eliminated. > > About 70,000 vehicles travel daily on the 14-mile road that > connects Loudoun County to Dulles Airport and the Dulles Toll Road. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com