From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Errors-To: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 12/14/05 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:28:04 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Dave Blumgart wrote: > >PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or Mount >Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while >crime and schools are an issue, > > better own a BFG. and while not exclusive to PG, the crime and school issues are VERY scary... and actually the deta in numbers compared to other surrounding counties makes those issues exclusive to PG. enough for me to move out... PG has been corrupt for years and it won't get fixed soon... face it you live here, traffic will be bad. moving close maybe the "new" direction. while more expensive your commute ( and maybe your health physical and mental)) will be better. Maybe getting a job closer to home, might not pay as much but calculate your commuting expenses and maybe the diff in salery would be close. I begining to think that moving to another, smaller town is the way to go... i hear Ashville, NC calling me... :). Good luck, Tom de ST1300 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:39:12 -0500 To: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC At 06:37 PM 12/13/2005, James O'Connor wrote: >vs. $0.79 from Sheetz, not to generalize. More importantly, both >mine and the Mrs' family are in Haymarket and the closer we are to >them, the greater the likelihood of babysitters! Commute from >Arlington into DC sure was nice though. Have you considered a job that isn't in D.C.? I worked downtown the first year I was in this area, then decided not to do that anymore, and haven't. The commute from Leesburg to Haymarket is likely to be even better than the one from Arlington to DC...if you can't arrange to work from home and give up the commute entirely (I've been doing that since '99, but it won't work for all jobs of course). Even the federal government has jobs that are in the suburbs, nearby areas or other states. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:16:46 -0500 I think that happens everywhere around here, not just inside the beltway. >From: "James O'Connor" >To: Dave Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:37:51 -0800 (PST) > >I thought about it, but for a variety of reasons don't want to do it. > I lived inside the beltway once, for a year. I didn't enjoy it - >too many people that would choose a $4 cup of coffee from Starbucks >vs. $0.79 from Sheetz, not to generalize. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Good suggestions all - thanks. Someday I hope to work somewhere other than DC, but for now my career track has me sticking with non-profits, most of which are in DC. I used to travel quite a bit with my old job, usually to small/tiny towns. Always interesting the contrast between our urban jungle and their small town living. Boy, it was a cold ride this morning - face shield had ice on it! - Jimmy --- "Mike B." wrote: > Have you considered a job that isn't in D.C.? I worked downtown > the first > year I was in this area, then decided not to do that anymore, and > haven't. The commute from Leesburg to Haymarket is likely to be > even > better than the one from Arlington to DC...if you can't arrange to > work > from home and give up the commute entirely (I've been doing that > since '99, > but it won't work for all jobs of course). Even the federal > government has > jobs that are in the suburbs, nearby areas or other states. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:19:37 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC > Between 8 and 9:30 and 5 and 6:30, the toll road comes to a grinding halt. So, leave home earlier, have a cup of coffee and hit your morning web sites at work. Another possibility is that the Exxon at the airport has great coffee in the morning. Grab a cup, head down the middle with your cruise control set listening to the news (if you're in cage mode), or grab a donut and stuff it in your tankbag for later (if you're in bike mode) And pick up some gas on your way home. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:27 -0500 From: "Dave Blumgart" To: Tom De Boeser wrote: >> better own a BFG. and while not exclusive to PG, the crime and school >> issues are VERY scary... Oh please, get a grip. I lived in inside-the-Beltway PGC for over 35 years without feeling the need for any firearm. If anyone wants to shoot me, they're going to have to bring their own gun. In fact, the only serious crime we've experienced has been due almost entirely to our own negligence. Meanwhile I know people in ritzy Potomac, Maryland who've had the pleasure of being bound and gagged during an armed home invasion. You got to live your life and take your chances in this world. There's crime anywhere you go. Even Asheville. Oh, and we've successfully sent two children to excellent colleges using the PGC school system, thank you very much. Returning to motorcycles - the list is about motorcycles [Thank you, Arlo] - we're all unhappy with the congestion and consequent lousy riding conditions in our area. While I'm not criticizing the very personal decision of where one chooses to live, as adults you learn to take ownership of the consequences of your actions. That includes the choice to move to the exurbs rather than rehabbing DC and post-war suburbs - due at least in some part because of the sort of fear-mongering expressed above. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:26:17 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: At 10:15 AM 12/14/2005, Dave Blumgart wrote: >Tom De Boeser wrote: > > >> better own a BFG. and while not exclusive to PG, the crime and >school > >> issues are VERY scary... > >Oh please, get a grip. > >I lived in inside-the-Beltway PGC for over 35 years without feeling the >need for any firearm. If anyone wants to shoot me, they're going to >have to bring their own gun. In fact, the only serious crime we've >experienced has been due almost entirely to our own negligence. >Meanwhile I know people in ritzy Potomac, Maryland who've had the >pleasure of being bound and gagged during an armed home invasion. You >got to live your life and take your chances in this world. There's >crime anywhere you go. Even Asheville. Oh, and we've successfully sent >two children to excellent colleges using the PGC school system, thank >you very much. > >Returning to motorcycles - the list is about motorcycles [Thank you, >Arlo] - we're all unhappy with the congestion and consequent lousy >riding conditions in our area. While I'm not criticizing the very >personal decision of where one chooses to live, as adults you learn to >take ownership of the consequences of your actions. That includes the >choice to move to the exurbs rather than rehabbing DC and post-war >suburbs - due at least in some part because of the sort of >fear-mongering expressed above. I have to agree. Maybe at one time the argument could be made that crime is much higher inside the beltway but Fairfax County has had it's own share of gang violence not to mention the carjackings and robberies in the mall parking lots. With Virginia selling off their taxpayer paid roads, I envision not only more congestion but the cost to drive anywhere outside of our own neighborhood will end up nickle and dime-ing us to death. If we end up having to pay tolls for just about every major thoroughfare in the area, we'd better see a significant reduction in how much we're paying the state to maintain our roads. yeah..fat chance of THAT ever happening. -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:23 -0500 Having been born in DC, and raised in its shadow, you couldn't pay me to live there. The politics, crime, stupidity, etc. all boggle the mind. Not that MD or VA don't have their problems, but DC is a problem all unto itself. If it works for you, that's great. For me, it could be swallowed up by the earth and not really be missed... Perry >From: "Dave Blumgart" >To: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:10:45 -0500 > >This may not be helpful, but have you ever considered moving towards DC >rather than further away? I ride in to Capitol Hill almost every day >I've no customer meetings and there's no ice, just pulling on a sweater, >leather jacket and unlined gloves, no electrically heated jock straps >and whatnot. That's because I live 4.5 miles from the office and >anything's doable for 20 minutes or so. > >PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or Mount >Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while >crime and schools are an issue, those problems are hardy exclusive to >PGC, and we've negotiated them pretty well over the more than two >decades we've lived there. Meanwhile, I saved the equivalent or more >than *five months* of my life with my vastly shorter commutes during >that time. > >Just a thought. > >David B. >Current menagerie (and some occasionally run:) >'74 R75/6; '99 R1100S; '01 W650; '02 GS500E > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:39 -0500 Having been born in DC, and raised in its shadow, you couldn't pay me to live there. The politics, crime, stupidity, etc. all boggle the mind. Not that MD or VA don't have their problems, but DC is a problem all unto itself. If it works for you, that's great. For me, it could be swallowed up by the earth and not really be missed... Perry >From: "Dave Blumgart" >To: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:10:45 -0500 > >This may not be helpful, but have you ever considered moving towards DC >rather than further away? I ride in to Capitol Hill almost every day >I've no customer meetings and there's no ice, just pulling on a sweater, >leather jacket and unlined gloves, no electrically heated jock straps >and whatnot. That's because I live 4.5 miles from the office and >anything's doable for 20 minutes or so. > >PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or Mount >Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while >crime and schools are an issue, those problems are hardy exclusive to >PGC, and we've negotiated them pretty well over the more than two >decades we've lived there. Meanwhile, I saved the equivalent or more >than *five months* of my life with my vastly shorter commutes during >that time. > >Just a thought. > >David B. >Current menagerie (and some occasionally run:) >'74 R75/6; '99 R1100S; '01 W650; '02 GS500E > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:08:30 -0500 Sorry about the dual posting - some Hotmail error or my browser... >From: "Perry Coleman" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:39 -0500 > >Having been born in DC, and raised in its shadow, you couldn't pay me to >live there. The politics, crime, stupidity, etc. all boggle the mind. Not >that MD or VA don't have their problems, but DC is a problem all unto >itself. If it works for you, that's great. For me, it could be swallowed up >by the earth and not really be missed... > >Perry > >>From: "Dave Blumgart" >>To: >>Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >>Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:10:45 -0500 >> >>This may not be helpful, but have you ever considered moving towards DC >>rather than further away? I ride in to Capitol Hill almost every day >>I've no customer meetings and there's no ice, just pulling on a sweater, >>leather jacket and unlined gloves, no electrically heated jock straps >>and whatnot. That's because I live 4.5 miles from the office and >>anything's doable for 20 minutes or so. >> >>PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or Mount >>Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while >>crime and schools are an issue, those problems are hardy exclusive to >>PGC, and we've negotiated them pretty well over the more than two >>decades we've lived there. Meanwhile, I saved the equivalent or more >>than *five months* of my life with my vastly shorter commutes during >>that time. >> >>Just a thought. >> >>David B. >>Current menagerie (and some occasionally run:) >>'74 R75/6; '99 R1100S; '01 W650; '02 GS500E >> > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:59:24 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX maybe chicago is different, but I lived on the north side, 3 blocks due south of the 'murder capital' of (northern) Chicago. One of not too many white boys in environs heavily dominated by people of medium to dark brown tint. Most pale-faced people I talked to decried my neighborhood's reputation. Maybe some time in the past lawlessness abounded but not any more. Rumors, superstition, and outdated memories die hard, I guess. Or maybe there is a more sinister reason. (ok, so I found a loaded 9mm handgun stashed in the my basement storage unit one morning) Pity land/housing prices were still crazy high. What I though should have been $250K houses were selling for 700+. And not even 2 mi north in Evanston, lots of the rich, pigment-challenged folk lived in $million+ houses. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] More slick weather... For those that haven't heard... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM THURSDAY TO 7 AM EST FRIDAY. THE COMBINATION OF VERY COLD AIR TO THE NORTH AND LOW PRESSURE OVER THE GULF STATES WILL PROVIDE THE FUEL FOR WINTRY WEATHER ON THURSDAY. PRECIPITATION WILL LIKELY BEGIN AS A PERIOD OF LIGHT SNOW THURSDAY MORNING...AND THEN CHANGE TO SLEET. WARMER AIR WILL BE DRAWN INTO THE AREA A FEW THOUSAND FEET OFF THE GROUND... CAUSING PRECIPITATION TO CHANGE TO LIQUID. HOWEVER AT THE SURFACE TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED TO STAY BELOW FREEZING THROUGH MID AFTERNOON...CAUSING RAIN TO FREEZE ON CONTACT ON ROADS...POWER LINES...AND TREES. THE FURTHER EAST YOU GO THE MORE LIKELY TEMPERATURES WILL RISE ABOVE FREEZING BY AFTERNOON...CHANGING PRECIPITATION TO PLAIN RAIN. ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF AROUND 1/10 OF AN INCH ARE POSSIBLE IN THE ADVISORY AREA. AS THE LOW PULLS NORTHEAST OF THE AREA FRIDAY...MORE COLD AIR WILL BE DRAWN INTO THE REGION...CHANGING A CHANGE TO SNOW BEFORE ENDING EARLY FRIDAY. A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING. Sounds like I'll be on the bus again :( - Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:43:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Perry Coleman wrote: > Sorry about the dual posting - some Hotmail error or my browser... > >> From: "Perry Coleman" >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:39 -0500 >> >> Having been born in DC, and raised in its shadow, you couldn't pay me >> to live there. The politics, crime, stupidity, etc. all boggle the >> mind. Not that MD or VA don't have their problems, but DC is a >> problem all unto itself. If it works for you, that's great. For me, >> it could be swallowed up by the earth and not really be missed... >> >> Perry > Don't apologize, it deserved to be repeated. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:59:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC At 04:43 PM 12/14/2005, Dale Horstman wrote: >Perry Coleman wrote: > >>Sorry about the dual posting - some Hotmail error or my browser... >> >>>For me, it could be swallowed up by the earth and not really be missed... > >Don't apologize, it deserved to be repeated. :) Think of it this way -- if DC didn't exist, you wouldn't have dc-cycles, either. -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:06:33 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: ll CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC ll wrote: > > Think of it this way -- if DC didn't exist, you wouldn't have > dc-cycles, either. I always thought the "dc" in dc-cycles stood for Dale City. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:14:47 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , ll From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:06 PM 12/14/2005, Dale Horstman wrote: >>Think of it this way -- if DC didn't exist, you wouldn't have dc-cycles, >>either. > >I always thought the "dc" in dc-cycles stood for Dale City. :) > >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth Not all of us are vain enough to name a town after ourselves... 8;) -- Larry