From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Errors-To: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 12/12/05 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:13:57 -0500 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=smtp.vzavenue.net I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. Didn't even go to court. This was about 6 years ago. I expect they would perform a road side execution in VA nowadays. Hugh -----Original Message----- On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Anyone know if MD calls 20+ reckless? I can't recall. I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago, no reckless. Judge dropped it to 64 in a 55 in court... 1pt and I was on my way :-) Oh yeah, this was in MD. -- Wayne _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:46:38 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 20 over in Virginny is at the discretion of the ossifer at the side of the road - he can write it up as reckless or simple speeding. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:30:27 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Cc: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX There was a case in Virginia long ago holding the exact same thing: speed alone is not reckless. This holding was overruled by the state legislature in enacting a statute that penalizes any speed above certain limits as "reckless." On 12/12/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > 20 over in Virginny is at the discretion of the ossifer at the side of > the road - he can write it up as reckless or simple speeding. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. ... > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:07:16 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX heh, welcome to the joy of Suzuki's old 2-pin calipers. I'll bet you the caliper is the same as the <96 GS500e which has an inner pad that just sits there. >95 they changed caliper designs so both are retained on pins. The only recourse for this is to keep a very close lookout on the pad wear and keep them fresh. GS500e racers have been known to have no brakes when trying to slow for T1. Assuming my guess is correct, find some 96+ calipers off ebay and replace. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:08:51 -0500 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless but that don't get me to the church on time... sometimes you've just gotta take the risk for yourself and all those around you. matthew patton wrote: > > > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. > ... > > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago > > Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 > and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." > > Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] close call Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:37:59 -0500 I not sure that anyone plans on doing triple digits. Sometimes there is just the amazing alignment of factors that makes it safe and possible. I've done 100+ in the HOV lanes more than once. No traffic, nice road, no leos - it all just came together. And I've done track days too. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call heh, welcome to the joy of Suzuki's old 2-pin calipers. I'll bet you the caliper is the same as the <96 GS500e which has an inner pad that just sits there. >95 they changed caliper designs so both are retained on pins. The only recourse for this is to keep a very close lookout on the pad wear and keep them fresh. GS500e racers have been known to have no brakes when trying to slow for T1. Assuming my guess is correct, find some 96+ calipers off ebay and replace. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:39:50 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call > Disassembled the right caliper and found one of the two brake pads > gone! It, presumably, fell out of its cage (this design doesn't use > retaining pins) and locked the wheel. Had a Fiat 124 Coupe do this in Italy many moons ago. In my case, it didn't lock the wheel, just killed all braking whatsover - Whee! Love those downhill hairpins! Luckily, it happened just outside of a small town who's mechanic had me back on the road with brakes quickly. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:18:43 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Hugh Caldwell" , Roadside execution, sterilization of any kin, extended family prohibited from motor vehicle access. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:HCaldwell@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. Didn't even go to court. This was about 6 years ago. I expect they would perform a road side execution in VA nowadays. Hugh -----Original Message----- On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Anyone know if MD calls 20+ reckless? I can't recall. I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago, no reckless. Judge dropped it to 64 in a 55 in court... 1pt and I was on my way :-) Oh yeah, this was in MD. -- Wayne _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:22:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] close call To: DCcycles Thank you Linda! i can't say that I'm perfect or that I want to go that fast on the regular roads. I love trackdays and would rather do that but no one who owns a modern sportsbike or even standard cruiser whatever hasn't been tempted at some point to see how fast they can go, usually in a situation as Linda describes. I know that I have and I paid the fine, not triple digits mind you but pretty close. Ian --- "LindaT." wrote: > I not sure that anyone plans on doing triple digits. > Sometimes there is > just the amazing alignment of factors that makes it > safe and possible. I've > done 100+ in the HOV lanes more than once. No > traffic, nice road, no leos - > it all just came together. > > And I've done track days too. > > LindaT. > www.CustomTankBags.com > Hollywood, FL > IBA,BMWBMW,AMA > '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy > '95 F3 Purple Haze > '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call > > > heh, welcome to the joy of Suzuki's old 2-pin > calipers. I'll bet you > the caliper is the same as the <96 GS500e which has > an inner pad that > just sits there. >95 they changed caliper designs so > both are retained > on pins. The only recourse for this is to keep a > very close lookout on > the pad wear and keep them fresh. GS500e racers have > been known to have > no brakes when trying to slow for T1. Assuming my > guess is correct, > find some 96+ calipers off ebay and replace. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:45:23 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_RE:_[dc-cycles]_=3Fclose_call?= To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Ian Schmidt >Date: Mon Dec 12 10:22:24 CST 2005 >To: DCcycles >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] close call >Thank you Linda! i can't say that I'm perfect or that >I want to go that fast on the regular roads. I love >trackdays and would rather do that but no one who owns >a modern sportsbike or even standard cruiser whatever >hasn't been tempted at some point to see how fast they >can go, usually in a situation as Linda describes. I >know that I have and I paid the fine, not triple >digits mind you but pretty close. > >Ian ..well I have to admit..I've tried taking my Harley to the limit once..but WFO at 75 scared the hell outta me. ;-) -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:22:35 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, matthew patton wrote: > > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. > ... > > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago > > Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 > and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." > > Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. It's likely that I made more passes at the strip this year than any other list member. I even organize a race in the midwest each year. At 82mph, I was traveling at a safe speed for the conditions and I paid my road tax (ticket) for doing so. If I was racing, you can bet I would have been traveling A LOT FASTER than 82 :-) For the drag racers in MD, there is Cecil in Rising Sun, Mason-Dixon in Hagerstown, MIR in Budd's Creek (actually Mechanicsville) and Capitol in Crofton. 75/80 was in Monrovia, but this was it's last year in operation. I think there is another strip on the eastern shore, but I have not been there to race. -- Wayne _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:29:20 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_RE:_[dc-cycles]_=3Fclose_call?= On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > ..well I have to admit..I've tried taking my Harley > to the limit once..but WFO at 75 scared the hell outta me. > > ;-) > > -aki I've done 170+ on 4 wheels, 180+ on 2 wheels... but 80mph on a newer Heritage Softail scared the hell out of me, too :-) -- Wayne _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:13:38 -0500 Wayne, What's happening to 75/80? Are they being pushed out due to enroaching development? Perry >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless >Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:22:35 -0500 (EST) > >On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, matthew patton wrote: > > > > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. > > ... > > > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago > > > > Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 > > and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." > > > > Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. > >It's likely that I made more passes at the strip this year than any other >list member. I even organize a race in the midwest each year. > >At 82mph, I was traveling at a safe speed for the conditions and I paid my >road tax (ticket) for doing so. If I was racing, you can bet I would have >been traveling A LOT FASTER than 82 :-) > >For the drag racers in MD, there is Cecil in Rising Sun, Mason-Dixon in >Hagerstown, MIR in Budd's Creek (actually Mechanicsville) and Capitol in >Crofton. 75/80 was in Monrovia, but this was it's last year in operation. >I think there is another strip on the eastern shore, but I have not been >there to race. > >-- Wayne > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:13:52 -0500 Wayne, What's happening to 75/80? Are they being pushed out due to enroaching development? Perry >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless >Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:22:35 -0500 (EST) > >On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, matthew patton wrote: > > > > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. > > ... > > > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago > > > > Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 > > and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." > > > > Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. > >It's likely that I made more passes at the strip this year than any other >list member. I even organize a race in the midwest each year. > >At 82mph, I was traveling at a safe speed for the conditions and I paid my >road tax (ticket) for doing so. If I was racing, you can bet I would have >been traveling A LOT FASTER than 82 :-) > >For the drag racers in MD, there is Cecil in Rising Sun, Mason-Dixon in >Hagerstown, MIR in Budd's Creek (actually Mechanicsville) and Capitol in >Crofton. 75/80 was in Monrovia, but this was it's last year in operation. >I think there is another strip on the eastern shore, but I have not been >there to race. > >-- Wayne > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:10:43 -0500 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=smtp.vzavenue.net The big problem with race tracks is that at the end of the day you end up in the same place you started and the scenery never changes. -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. ... > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Perry Coleman wrote: > What's happening to 75/80? Are they being pushed out due to enroaching > development? > > Perry I think a couple of things are at work with 75/80: First, NIMBY. All of the people moving in to their $850,000 tract houses don't want a redneck race track within earshot. :-) Second, Bill Wilcolm's health. Bill had some serious health issues in the past few years. He's the owner of the track and his family owns most of the land around the track. Finally, money. I'm sure the land is worth more to the family with houses and other stuff on it than the track. -- Wayne _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:18:32 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_RE:_[dc-cycles]_=3Fclose_call?= Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Since I don't plan on ever owning a car that will do 170, let me ask, how does driving compare to being on a sport bike, at that speed? I thought i heard somewhere that cars were less stable? being that 4 wheels counteract with each other? I don't know.. hence asking.. I know cars tend to spin out of control easily if the wheel is jerked @ 1/3 to 1/4 those speeds.. I find that speed on a sport bike fully tucked, feels merely as if i'm doing about 120 mph. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:42:57 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call Not to be agitative to the good, respect deserving listers, but I actually plan on doing tripple digits. We all pay taxes for the road, and i'm on that side of the argument that we have a right to use the roads. Gov't recognizes our freedom to travel, I see nothing wrong if that manner is time effecient, if it poses no extra threat to our fellow citizen. I don't see tripple digits alone, as inherrently; evil, immoral , or endangering. I wager even some judges would agree with me. Sometimes tripple digits is only 10 mph over the flow of traffic. Of course I'm only talking about an accomadating environment. There is a difference between fast and reckless. I'm not even going to touch upon VA law being overbearing and should be rescinded. I also plan on doing summit point as well next year. - Danny _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:43:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless At 10:08 AM 12/12/2005, skip wrote: >sometimes you've just gotta take the risk for yourself ... Fine. >... and all those around you. Not so fine. -- Larry