From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Errors-To: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 11/23/05 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:05:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Wow, I found myself smiling at all the good cheer here today in a thread that could easily have devloved into smthng unpleasant ;) Happy Thanksgiving to everyone... there's lots to be thankful for. JK John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:10:43 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX At 08:05 PM 11/22/2005, John Kozyn wrote: >Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, > >Wow, I found myself smiling at all the good cheer here today in a >thread that could easily have devloved into smthng unpleasant ;) > >Happy Thanksgiving to everyone... there's lots to be thankful for. > >JK ...am I the only one that... oh never mind. ;-) -aki -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/178 - Release Date: 11/22/2005 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:17:54 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- Redux Author's comment on this apparently sensitive subject - Well covered by others. Have a great Thanksgiving, everyone (I prefer dark meat)! Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Reading too much descriptive fiction lately, Boss? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:39:08 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo In case you missed it..... --------------------- Safety and Stupidity on Two Wheels Wednesday, November 23, 2005; Page A18 Regarding Alex Roth's Nov. 15 letter about the difficulty of enrolling in motorcycle safety classes: The Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) is the developer of the motorcycle training curriculum used throughout the country and provides certification for more than 7,500 course instructors or "RiderCoaches" nationwide. However, the states administer the actual training through their individual programs. The MSF is aware of the lack of available training in the District. It has offered to administer a training program at its own cost, asking only that the D.C. Department of Motor Vehicles provide a suitable training range and classroom. At least initially, RiderCoaches would come from states nearby. The offer still stands. As far as Mr. Roth's inability to obtain immediate training, for weather reasons most states shut down their training programs at this time of year. Mr. Roth also mentioned that training books he ordered from the MSF were back-ordered. We shipped his order in a little more than three weeks, as soon as it was available from the publisher. DEAN THOMPSON Director of Communications Motorcycle Safety Foundation Irvine, Calif. ---------------- David C. Walsh said in a Nov. 15 letter that motorcyclists doing "wheelies" are a rarity. But in the past month alone I have been passed by at least two dozen "road rockets" doing at least 100 mph. Many more riders on more conventional motorcycles passed me traveling way over the speed limit. Perhaps Mr. Walsh could explain how "other drivers" induce motorcyclists to travel at speeds not even close to the posted limits. This sort of behavior is prevalent and obvious to anyone who does any significant driving in the area -- particularly in the Virginia countryside. Attributing this sort of riding to safety education, or the lack thereof, is nonsense. Blaming motorists for cyclists' accidents is even sillier. Reckless fools should have their licenses revoked. ROBERT L. RICHARDSON Woodbridge _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:46:47 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tuesday Morning Entertainment Cc: DCCycles See, that's why I like the sportbike community.. non of this racial bickering.. cuz everyone knows... sportbike riders love all races!!!! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:48:02 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > > ...am I the only one that... > > oh never mind. > > ;-) > > -aki in group voice in unison: "YES YOU ARE" ;-) lol _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:49:56 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "W.S." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- Redux Cc: DC-Cycles I don't think that was neccesarry for you to say! Do you pretend your better because you like dark meat? Well I like light meat! :-) -Danny > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:37:55 -0500 To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo At 10:39 AM 11/23/2005 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >Many more riders on more conventional motorcycles passed me traveling >way over the speed limit. Perhaps Mr. Walsh could explain how "other >drivers" induce motorcyclists to travel at speeds not even close to >the posted limits. >ROBERT L. RICHARDSON I don't know where Mr. Richardson spends his time, I very rarely see *anyone* traveling at speeds at or below posted limits. When I do they are generally white-haired with heads that barely come up over the dash. Even when doing 10-15 over the limit myself I am passed by a steady stream of other vehicles going even faster. This area has rampant lawlessness on the roadways in general...and the number of speeding cars vastly outnumbers the number of speeding motorcycles. If you want to see how bad it is, just *try* traveling at the posted limit for a week... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:05:30 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 To: Danny Motorcycle Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX At 10:48 AM 11/23/2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > ...am I the only one that... > > > > oh never mind. > > > > ;-) > > > > -aki > >in group voice in unison: "YES YOU ARE" ;-) lol ..dammit..I TRIED..really guys and gals.. I really *tried* to start a flame war but the delivery was lame, the wording was poor and the whole subject just wasn't up to par. Then what do you expect. I'm trying to do this in the middle of going to the (clothing optional) beaches and sucking down as much Red Stripe beer as I possibly can. -aki (who's spending the week in St. Maarten, and won't be leaving until Friday). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 11/23/2005 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:11:55 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo Cc: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles tsk tsk tsk... speed kills :) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:13:19 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX You obviosly don't want to be liked do you! :) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:06:41 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo > tsk tsk tsk... speed kills :) Danny, we've been through this before - nobody ever died from going too fast. They died from stopping too quickly. In the words of Robert Heinlein (through his character Lazarus Long): "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:02:12 -0500 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo Cc: DC Cycles At 04:11 PM 11/23/2005 -0500, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >tsk tsk tsk... speed kills :) Yes, it does...but you still haven't managed to find the clue store. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:07:55 -0500 To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo At 05:06 PM 11/23/2005 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> tsk tsk tsk... speed kills :) > >Danny, we've been through this before - nobody ever died from going too fast. > >They died from stopping too quickly. No, they died from stopping too quickly from too high a speed. Stopping from 1 mph in an inch is no big deal. Stopping from 70 mph in an inch is. Was it the 70 mph that killed you, or the inch? Does it really matter if you don't have a choice about anything other than the speed? >In the words of Robert Heinlein (through his character Lazarus Long): > >"Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by >legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being >stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the >sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out >automatically and without pity." Yep. Another quotation from another source comes to mind every time Danny posts about this. See sig. -- Mike B. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.