From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 03:53:49 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: RE: license plate covers To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Hmmmm.... I no photo expert but I find it hard to believe that if > my naked > eye can't see the plate from a certain angle that their camera can. > Any > camera experts here? I can't imagine those camera lenses being too > fantastic seeing how they still need a flash to get your tag at > night. I think some cameras pick up light on different frequencies and can see more. > Oh and of all of the photo camera's I've seen they take the picture > from the > rear, not the front. I woudln't know. > So who wants to test mine out by running a red light in the area? > :-) I'll > loan you the cover, not the vehicle! I'll loan my bike, and someone else put their tag on. Then when the ticket comes to the address, you can say some punk musta stole your tag and put it back, as that's not your bike or you riding it. The tag belongs to the state right? charge them with the ticket. :) > Glenn > > > > >[from a different list] > > >I guess we're all spewing a bunch of useless shit. > > >Congrats, Bill Huson, you win. It seems we'll just > >have to slow down now. That is, until they invent a > >plate cover that actually works. > > > >--- Big Kahuna wrote: > > From: "Big Kahuna" > > To: > > Subject: RE: license plate covers > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:04:09 -0700 > > Reply-to: cbr900@XXXXXX > > > > They don't work! > > > > I saw a special on Dateline that showed that all the > > devices that said they > > prevented the police from viewing your plates by > > camera, don't hamper them > > at all. At first, the photo's looked bright and you > > couldn't make out the > > plate, but then the simply reversed the image and > > there they were. They had > > a few different and equally as quick ways of > > manipulating the image to get > > the numbers off the plates. > > > > The only good thing about motorcycles is that they > > don't have a front plate, > > and I believe most camera's shoot the pictures from > > the front. > > > > -- > > Big Kahuna > > cbr900rr@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 05:50:58 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:50:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Morality of speeding To: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark wrote: > There's a bigger issue here. You are not "alone" even if there's no > one within > sight on the road. To take an extreme point of view, let's say you > are riding > alone, and crash. Eventually, someone comes by, and they call 911. > The EMTs > respond, take you to the hospital, and after some period of time, > you leave, > not too much the worse for wear. So, who else did you endanger? > > the person who stopped for you on the side of the road > they could have been hit by on-coming traffic > > anyone traveling over any debris (glass, oil, etc.) as a result > of your accident > > the medical personnel who had to drive [fast] to come to your aid > > any injured person who could have been treated by the EMTs and > physicians that were treating you instead (Assuming you were alone) Okay you make some good points.. but dare I say, speed alone is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at risk, even when riding all alone.. but can you blame speeding, for crashing? I personally dont'think so, and contend there has to be some other, more direct cause. If you're riding at 50 or 90 (in a 55), you're still running the same risks, if you crash, for the "people who come by". Good semaritan and EMT people put themselves at risk, no one puts a gun to their head. They assume the risk, as do we all. > => > => Are you telling me you never drove like a bat out of hell? > => > > Sure I have, but don't kid yourself that if you are "alone" that > you are not > endangering anyone else. Maybe.. maybe not.. I suppose if you put hazardous debri on the road, then you are endangering others.. but driving alone isnt' the cause of that.. accidents are. Also when one drives, doesn't one have knowledge that this type of thing can exist, and take the risk anyway? > Please understand that I'm not preaching... I'm presenting a very > extreme > viewpoint (not a viewpoint that I am personally committed to), but Understood, and I thank you.. you've certainly presented ideas I havne't thought of, and presented them intellegently and respectfully.. > I try to > keep those risk factors (that I may be a risk to other people who > are _not_ > present) in mind and sometimes I temper my riding because it's > unfair to > others. Sometimes I just give money to the local fire & rescue fund > and ride > anyway... Considerate.. :) > => > => It's my oppion that, if you can do 90 and control your bike as > => well as if you were doing 55, and didn't hurt anyone, then no > > Interesting definition...the "didn't hurt anyone" part. So, if on > Monday you > drive down a road at 90 and don't hurt anyone it's OK, and on > Tuesday you drive > the same way, and you (alone) get hurt, you are a reckless driver? > Were you any > less (or more) reckless on Monday, or just lucky? If you drive monday and dont' crash, and drive tuesday and do crash, then I can't see how you've driven the same way. If on tuesday you hit an oil spill and crashed, and didn't see it in time, then it's reckless I suppose. If you drove the same speed, (beyond your sight,) then that would have to be reckless too on monday. I think we can agree a person shouldn't risk others, we'll have to disagree on how you define "putting others at risk". > => harm no foul. Speed might be a contributing factor to injury, > => but speed doesn't kill, driver error and accidents (by > malfunction > => or unforseable events) do. > => > => It's a pet peeve of mine to hear a person say speed kills. > => If that's the case why isn't every astronaut and racer > => dead... because speed doesn't kill and IMO speeding isn't > => inherently wrong.. so what's your beef with speed? Do you hate > > In the simplest, most pedantic case, I agree with you, speed does > not kill. > However, speed is more than a "contributing factor" in many cases. > If you have > an accident while driving down a road at 90, and you didn't have > one when > driving at 50, is the difference in velocity merely a "contributing > factor" or > is it the root cause of the accident? i'd say contributing factor. If another person can go down the same road at 90 and not crash, then speed couldn't be the cause.. the cause I would presume, would be the rider not riding within his limits. > => the speed, or do you really mean people who drive over > aggressively? > => How are you defining bat out of hell? bat out of hell always > meant > => speed to me. > => > => Personally I'd like to see High speed lanes just like we have > high > => occupancy lanes, especially with borders around them... low > speed > => lanes could be for 45 mph and high speed could be 75. I think > => it would be more efficient and a less dangerous mixture of > different > => speed (and aggressive drivers) 2 lands and 2 lanes, you > wouldn't > => have those idiots jumping over 4 lanes driving improperly. The > => worse they coudl do would be pass on the right. > > I agree about your diagnosis regarding aggression vrs speed, but > not your > prescription. Unfortunately, idiots will drive like idiots, no > matter how much > you border them in. I still think it would be a little safer though.. you'd keep the timid slower reaction, younger or older drivers on a seperate road. > I just got back to the US after spending time in Turkey and Europe. > While the > driving in Turkey is objectively worse than in the US (accident > rate, fatality > rate, etc.), in both Turkey and through out Europe (Italy, > Switzerland, France, > Germany), there isn't the same level as aggression as I've seen in > the US. > People drive _fast_ over "there". However, there's much less of a > problem with > the 20+ mph speed differential between lanes for the mind-numbingly > simple fact > that people keep to the right except when passing! > > I don't want to start a long, philosophical flame-fest thread with > this, but I > think there's more to speeding (or riding in the first place) than > the risk > that you as an individual are assuming. I guess you could carry it one step further and say there is more to life than to the role you're assuming ? :) > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 > Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > -- > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 05:51:06 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Morality of speeding To: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark wrote: > There's a bigger issue here. You are not "alone" even if there's no > one within > sight on the road. To take an extreme point of view, let's say you > are riding > alone, and crash. Eventually, someone comes by, and they call 911. > The EMTs > respond, take you to the hospital, and after some period of time, > you leave, > not too much the worse for wear. So, who else did you endanger? > > the person who stopped for you on the side of the road > they could have been hit by on-coming traffic > > anyone traveling over any debris (glass, oil, etc.) as a result > of your accident > > the medical personnel who had to drive [fast] to come to your aid > > any injured person who could have been treated by the EMTs and > physicians that were treating you instead (Assuming you were alone) Okay you make some good points.. but dare I say, speed alone is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at risk, even when riding all alone.. but can you blame speeding, for crashing? I personally dont'think so, and contend there has to be some other, more direct cause. If you're riding at 50 or 90 (in a 55), you're still running the same risks, if you crash, for the "people who come by". Good semaritan and EMT people put themselves at risk, no one puts a gun to their head. They assume the risk, as do we all. > => > => Are you telling me you never drove like a bat out of hell? > => > > Sure I have, but don't kid yourself that if you are "alone" that > you are not > endangering anyone else. Maybe.. maybe not.. I suppose if you put hazardous debri on the road, then you are endangering others.. but driving alone isnt' the cause of that.. accidents are. Also when one drives, doesn't one have knowledge that this type of thing can exist, and take the risk anyway? > Please understand that I'm not preaching... I'm presenting a very > extreme > viewpoint (not a viewpoint that I am personally committed to), but Understood, and I thank you.. you've certainly presented ideas I havne't thought of, and presented them intellegently and respectfully.. > I try to > keep those risk factors (that I may be a risk to other people who > are _not_ > present) in mind and sometimes I temper my riding because it's > unfair to > others. Sometimes I just give money to the local fire & rescue fund > and ride > anyway... Considerate.. :) > => > => It's my oppion that, if you can do 90 and control your bike as > => well as if you were doing 55, and didn't hurt anyone, then no > > Interesting definition...the "didn't hurt anyone" part. So, if on > Monday you > drive down a road at 90 and don't hurt anyone it's OK, and on > Tuesday you drive > the same way, and you (alone) get hurt, you are a reckless driver? > Were you any > less (or more) reckless on Monday, or just lucky? If you drive monday and dont' crash, and drive tuesday and do crash, then I can't see how you've driven the same way. If on tuesday you hit an oil spill and crashed, and didn't see it in time, then it's reckless I suppose. If you drove the same speed, (beyond your sight,) then that would have to be reckless too on monday. I think we can agree a person shouldn't risk others, we'll have to disagree on how you define "putting others at risk". > => harm no foul. Speed might be a contributing factor to injury, > => but speed doesn't kill, driver error and accidents (by > malfunction > => or unforseable events) do. > => > => It's a pet peeve of mine to hear a person say speed kills. > => If that's the case why isn't every astronaut and racer > => dead... because speed doesn't kill and IMO speeding isn't > => inherently wrong.. so what's your beef with speed? Do you hate > > In the simplest, most pedantic case, I agree with you, speed does > not kill. > However, speed is more than a "contributing factor" in many cases. > If you have > an accident while driving down a road at 90, and you didn't have > one when > driving at 50, is the difference in velocity merely a "contributing > factor" or > is it the root cause of the accident? i'd say contributing factor. If another person can go down the same road at 90 and not crash, then speed couldn't be the cause.. the cause I would presume, would be the rider not riding within his limits. > => the speed, or do you really mean people who drive over > aggressively? > => How are you defining bat out of hell? bat out of hell always > meant > => speed to me. > => > => Personally I'd like to see High speed lanes just like we have > high > => occupancy lanes, especially with borders around them... low > speed > => lanes could be for 45 mph and high speed could be 75. I think > => it would be more efficient and a less dangerous mixture of > different > => speed (and aggressive drivers) 2 lands and 2 lanes, you > wouldn't > => have those idiots jumping over 4 lanes driving improperly. The > => worse they coudl do would be pass on the right. > > I agree about your diagnosis regarding aggression vrs speed, but > not your > prescription. Unfortunately, idiots will drive like idiots, no > matter how much > you border them in. I still think it would be a little safer though.. you'd keep the timid slower reaction, younger or older drivers on a seperate road. > I just got back to the US after spending time in Turkey and Europe. > While the > driving in Turkey is objectively worse than in the US (accident > rate, fatality > rate, etc.), in both Turkey and through out Europe (Italy, > Switzerland, France, > Germany), there isn't the same level as aggression as I've seen in > the US. > People drive _fast_ over "there". However, there's much less of a > problem with > the 20+ mph speed differential between lanes for the mind-numbingly > simple fact > that people keep to the right except when passing! > > I don't want to start a long, philosophical flame-fest thread with > this, but I > think there's more to speeding (or riding in the first place) than > the risk > that you as an individual are assuming. I guess you could carry it one step further and say there is more to life than to the role you're assuming ? :) > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 > Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > -- > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 06:49:51 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:49:33 -0400 Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in my vehicles. Glenn >Well than, there you go ... if the manual sez 15-50 for summer, 10-40 >for winter, thats the deal. Methinks mine sez straight 60W for extreme >heat - like desert type, and something lighter than 15-50 for dead cold, >like around freezing. The only real prob with 15-50 in the winter is the >frigging engine is tough to kick over with goo for oil. This is my clue >to take the cage, being as I'm skinny and freeze kinda quick :-) >Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 07:12:30 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Old tires over new/Learning to slide On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > If one would like to learn to slide, the technique is not to go out on > old ass tires on a public road in the name of "practice". You certainly have some interesting interpretations... I guess you envision Leon out on Duke St doing full dirt track style slides complete with bumping of the other "competitors" (a losing proposition of course as an elbow or shoulder applied to a car door doesn't do much good. Better to give them the boot). :) I really don't think that's what Leon's talking about. I like to practice in parking lots (Leon as well, he's set-up parking lot practice sessions in the past. Hey, it's time for another one. Maybe I can get the best time on the circles if Collin is several hundred miles away...). Also, I don't know anyone who advocates dirt road riding (on your street bike) more than Leon. > Buy an XR and find a field. It's way less dangerous. I don't really think this works all that well, at least not for me. Going from sliding a 250lb bike to sliding a 450lb or more bike just doesn't carry over that well for me. > I have very little tact when I write and I realize that. I would not > speak to a stranger in the same way I write, I'm just not a talented > enough writer to put my conversational tone into paragraphs. Please > take the written attitude with a grain of salt. Thanks - I hope that's true. However, first impressions are lasting impressions. If you really don't want people to think you're a prick you should put some more effort into it... Sorry, I couldn't resist... :) Kirk (often a jerk on purpose) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 07:55:36 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 07:50:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Daniel aka ITM CC: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morality of speeding --------------A169ECB54EE5BC4CDF742FD2 Daniel aka ITM wrote: > Okay you make some good points.. but dare I say, speed alone > is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits > and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only > become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at > risk, even when riding all alone.. but can you blame > speeding, for crashing? I personally dont'think so, and contend > there has to be some other, more direct cause. > > Yeah, driving over your head would be a cause, and that is defined as going TO FAST for one's skill level and/or the capabiity of the machine. So the "more direct cause" would be gross stupidity. Bill --------------A169ECB54EE5BC4CDF742FD2  

Daniel aka ITM wrote:

Okay you make some good points..  but dare I say, speed alone
is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits
and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only
become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at
risk, even when riding all alone..  but can you blame
speeding, for crashing?  I personally dont'think so, and contend
there has to be some other, more direct cause.
 
 
Yeah, driving over your head would be a cause, and that is defined as going TO FAST for one's skill level and/or the capabiity of the machine. So the "more direct cause" would be gross stupidity.

Bill --------------A169ECB54EE5BC4CDF742FD2-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:10:47 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:05:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of synthetic oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down > like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in my > vehicles. > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:22:09 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:22:05 -0400 Really??? Why??? What problems do they see with it especially in a HD where the tranny is not lubricated by the crankcase oil? It would seem to me with those air cooled engines synthetic would be the only way to go. What valid reasons do you have for not using it? The way I understood it from my friend who has a road king was that HD was approving Mobil 1 for use in their bikes. Or is HD saying to only use HD oil for their finical benefit? Glenn >Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of synthetic >oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. >Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down > like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in my > vehicles. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:54:03 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:43:00 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Old tires/Kirks flame bait To: DC Cycles X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Kirk - I don't want to get into this on a list. Ride whatever you want, however you want. If old tires are something to "revel" in so be it. If you're ever at the track we could discuss it under much more conciliatory conditions I'm sure. (I sold my street bikes) Jonathan Broga > > I hope that's true. However, first impressions are lasting impressions. If > you really don't want people to think you're a prick you should put some > more effort into it... Sorry, I couldn't resist... :) > > Kirk (often a jerk on purpose) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:58:48 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:53:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- Hmmm... I'd have to look at my jugs of oil, but I believe the tranny uses a synthetic blend. The clutch runs wet in the primary chain oil, which I think is petro based. H-D sez if one must use other oil, make sure it has the additive package for desiel engines so it will take the heat. Perhaps the new 1450 engine accepts a wider range of slickems. H-D merely markets someone elses oil under thier name. This can be bad - OMC (outboards) does the same thing. One year OMC changed suppliers. The oil was better, but not for us racers who had to run our fuel thru a *smoke* test. The new oil had to much *smoke* in it and would barely pass the GT meter test. Anyway, I have no valid reason for not running Mobil 1. But if you don't beat up a Harley engine the damn things will run more'n 100K with nothing but plugs and oil. Figure at my current rate of a bit over 10K/yr I'll be parking my ride in front of an old age home before the engine goes belly up. Probably need a side car rig by then. Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Really??? Why??? What problems do they see with it especially in a HD > where the tranny is not lubricated by the crankcase oil? It would seem to > me with those air cooled engines synthetic would be the only way to go. > What valid reasons do you have for not using it? The way I understood it > from my friend who has a road king was that HD was approving Mobil 1 for > use in their bikes. Or is HD saying to only use HD oil for their finical > benefit? > > Glenn > > >Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of > synthetic > >oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. > > >Bill > > Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > > > Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down > > like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in > my > > vehicles. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 10:34:56 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:17:07 -0400 Subject: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being out of alignment? Any feedback would be appreciated. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 10:43:26 1999 From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike died... looking for advice Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:36:39 -0400 Armed with all the good advice, I went out last night and examined the bike. First thing I did was to put the key back in, and try to start the bike. After a couple of seconds, the oil light slowly came on, and I mean slowly. Okay, easy conclusion, it's the battery. Power is getting through (so its not the fuse), and the key is working (so it's not the ignition switch). Off to wally-world to buy a battery and a charger. Monday's big project: rebuild the front calipers! -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Petty [mailto:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:05 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike died... looking for advice > > > So I was getting ready to ride in the morning, took the bike out of > neutral and put it in first, accidentally hit the kill switch, and the > bike died... > > Okay, here's the particulars. > > it's an '83 Honda V65 Magna with a two year old battery > > a) bike started first try this morning, and was warmed up > b) put the bike in first > c) hit the kill switch with the back of my hand > d) engine died > e) tried to put the bike back in neutral, but when I did, the > dash died > f) played with the key for several moments, nothing happened, > no lights, > no dash activity, nothing. > g) played with the kill switch several moments, nothing happened > h) caged it to work (I was already late), in a very bad mood. > > help? > > My first thought is that I've blown the master fuse, and that's the > first thing I'm gonna check when I get home. I thought maybe the kill > switch has gone south, but that wouldn't explain the dead dash. Could > the battery have given up the ghost that fast, and that completely? > > Any other thoughts? > > -Mark > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 10:57:11 1999 From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:03:15 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I think your guess about front wheel balance sounds right. I had a VTR but don't recall ever noticing that problem, and I would occasionally glide to a stop without my hands on the bars to stretch or something. You might also want to check rear wheel alignment if the chain tension was adjusted recently. I think that might cause similiar symptoms if the rear wheel was cocked a little to the side. Jonathan >As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder >if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people >who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least >attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and >back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back >wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being >out of alignment? > >Any feedback would be appreciated. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 11:44:25 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Bike died... looking for advice To: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Maybe the battery just needs water? I still might not rule out a bad connection either.. but I'd check the battery water level first off all, then i'd make sure the battery connections were tight, then try jiggling wires around the ingnition, then go buy a battery. Let us know... Daniel 91 ninja 250 --- Mark Petty wrote: > Armed with all the good advice, I went out last night and examined > the > bike. First thing I did was to put the key back in, and try to > start the > bike. After a couple of seconds, the oil light slowly came on, and > I > mean slowly. > > Okay, easy conclusion, it's the battery. Power is getting through > (so > its not the fuse), and the key is working (so it's not the ignition > switch). Off to wally-world to buy a battery and a charger. > > Monday's big project: rebuild the front calipers! > > -Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Petty [mailto:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:05 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Bike died... looking for advice > > > > > > So I was getting ready to ride in the morning, took the bike out > of > > neutral and put it in first, accidentally hit the kill switch, > and the > > bike died... > > > > Okay, here's the particulars. > > > > it's an '83 Honda V65 Magna with a two year old battery > > > > a) bike started first try this morning, and was warmed up > > b) put the bike in first > > c) hit the kill switch with the back of my hand > > d) engine died > > e) tried to put the bike back in neutral, but when I did, the > > dash died > > f) played with the key for several moments, nothing happened, > > no lights, > > no dash activity, nothing. > > g) played with the kill switch several moments, nothing happened > > h) caged it to work (I was already late), in a very bad mood. > > > > help? > > > > My first thought is that I've blown the master fuse, and that's > the > > first thing I'm gonna check when I get home. I thought maybe the > kill > > switch has gone south, but that wouldn't explain the dead dash. > Could > > the battery have given up the ghost that fast, and that > completely? > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > -Mark > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:06:10 1999 From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:56:37 -0400 I vote for the back wheel being out of alignment. > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Flapping Bars? > > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the > flapping > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being > out of alignment? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:13:26 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) To: Daniel aka ITM , Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I see hechinger has an 8x10 shed for $188 or $199 something like that. I already have concrete in the backyard, so I think I'm going to get a shed. Anyone baught one recently? If so What size did you buy and how much was it? Or maybe you've priced them? guess i'll get an 8x10 or 8x12. Guess I'll go to home depot this evening and check out what they have... === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:34:08 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:22:38 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:17:07 -0400 >I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of self-preservation kicks in. ------------------------------------------------------------- The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, I would suppose) generally takes care of it. Hope this helps. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:45:55 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:41:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hmm... Maybe those wheelies the other day weren't such a great idea after all. How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? Tighten the big hex bolt at the steering head? I don't have a service manual yet, or I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I have plans to go back to Crossroads Cycle and have them take a look at it, but if simply tightening a bolt fixes it, I won't bother. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: Horkster The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, I would suppose) generally takes care of it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:50:49 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:49:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) At 12:13 PM 9/1/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >I see hechinger has an 8x10 shed for $188 or $199 something like >that. I already have concrete in the backyard, so I think I'm >going to get a shed. > >Anyone baught one recently? >If so What size did you buy and how much was it? >Or maybe you've priced them? guess i'll get an 8x10 or >8x12. Guess I'll go to home depot this evening and check >out what they have... Wish I could buy one....HOA doesn't allow them. Rubbermaid sells a pretty durable (Ugly as sin) shed for a few hundred. If I bought one, I would want it to be big enough to work on the bike in. At least for oil changes, etc.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:12:41 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:55:42 -0400 Subject: Weekend Ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but no organization. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:22:03 1999 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:15:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Content-Disposition: inline >>How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? Tighten the big hex bolt at the steering head?<< You will most likely find two notched nuts under the top triple clamp. The big hex bolt at the steering head you mentioned is on top of the top triple clamp. Depending on how your steering head is put together determines how easy it is to adjust them. On my bike you have to remove the top triple clamp in order to adjust the notched nuts. I believe that's not necessary on all bikes. Even if it is, its removal is usually fairly easy. Adjusting the nuts Sit at the back of the seat to get the front wheel off the ground. Check how freely the steering moves, allowing it to "fall" against the end stop. It will probably fall easily and "bounce" a couple of times off the end stop. After loosening the top notched nut,tighten the bottom nut either with the proper tool or with a flat blade screwdriver and wooden mallet until you can repeat the above test and get things tightened up just enough to eliminate the bounce. If you make it too tight the steering won't fall all the way to the stop. You don't want that because It will cause the bike to drift to one side or the other when you are trying to go straight. One you have it set right, simply tighten the top notched nut down on the lower one to keep it from moving out of adjustment. Of course this description is generic and your bike may have somewhat different procedures for adjusting the bearings. But you would need the service manual to see how much different. In any case you should be OK as long as you don't make the bearings too tight. Hope this helps Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:33:34 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:31:19 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:55 PM 9/1/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in >organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but >no organization. I am up for a Friday / Sunday or Monday ride if one is planned. Taking off for a 4 day weekend, but nowhere to travel to! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:33:44 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - aerodynamics can be a factor. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:37:25 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:36:35 EDT Subject: Loudoun Motorsports needs Cornerworkers for Track Day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hello All, The subject line pretty much sums it up. They need cornerworkers for their track day on Sept. 7th. They prefer MARRC trained/experienced cornerworkers, but are willing to train. They're giving a $50 stipend, lunch and a t-shirt. Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is 703-779-1652. thanx, -matt From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:48:05 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > How would I go about tightening the steering > head bearings? If someone else hasn't got the answer already, Usually there is a second nut under the big 'easy to identify' top one. In many cases it takes a spanner type wrench to turn it (or a BFH and punch if you're not to concerned about looks.) Tighten it until you start to feel some resistance when you turn the handlebars, then back off a bit. By turning the handlebars you shouldn't be able to tell that anything changed, but when riding it will make a difference. You might also want to check for 'flat spots' when turning the handlebars. If you can feel a flatspot, then you need to live with the headshake until your new bearings come in. Leon - who was once refused entry into an experienced rider course because of flattened steering head bearings - - it didn't shake when I had my hands on the bars. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:57:52 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:57:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 > From: "Jordan, Michael" > To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - > aerodynamics can be a factor. Is that aerodynamics issues, or loading which affects the center of balance? Also, isn't this "flapping bars" effect what's also known as "A tank slapper?" -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:58:23 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:59:43 -0400 To: Troutman , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm up for sat/sun/mon. At 01:31 PM 9/1/99 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 12:55 PM 9/1/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >>Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in >>organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but >>no organization. > >I am up for a Friday / Sunday or Monday ride if one is planned. Taking >off for a 4 day weekend, but nowhere to travel to! > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:59:33 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 99 13:56:28 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Weekend Ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX I was going to to my regular first saturday of the month ride, but I'll be in atlanta this weekend. I do have two nice routes though if anyone is interested-One is all day, starting in manassas and work down to the base of skyline, then up skyline to 211 and a couple other roads, the other is shorter, working down to 211 from manassas and then through the gw forest. greg --- On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:55:42 -0400 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in >organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but >no organization. > >Mark >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/1/99 HSTA/AMA 1:56:28 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:00:50 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:48:42 -0400 Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Aerodynamics shouldn't be a factor in my particular problem, as the bike has no luggage and the headshake happens even at lower speeds where aerodynamics wouldn't come into play. Good suggestion, though. The problem also has only occurred since the tire change - it never happened before that in identical circumstances. I think the most likely cause is improperly balanced wheels (especially given the seeming excess of weights on the rear wheel since the change), but other ideas are good to hear. Chris p.s. The rear wheel now has about 15-20 new glue-on wheel weights on one side of the back wheel and one extra weight on the spine of the front wheel. That seems like a lot to me, but what do I know? From: "Jordan, Michael" My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - aerodynamics can be a factor. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:01:15 1999 From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: Flapping Bars/Head Bearings Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:07:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Chris - Check Zik Zaleebs (sp?) VTR page of the Sport-twin.com page. It hasn't been updated in a long while ( the VTR list erupted in flames last year,he got sick of it, dropped off the list and quit updating), but its a pretty comprehensive site. The VTR has cheap head bearings and some folks upgraded theirs to roller bearings I think. So it is a recognized semi weak link on the bike, but most people were't reporting problems when I was big into it. maybe some other on the list can chime in on this, but I always pictured the the steering head to be sort of a sensitive area, one where i wouldn't want to just snug down the bolt with out specific torque settings. I also think that loose head bearing/bolt would manifest itself when applying the brakes, with a sort of "chunk . ." feeling/sound as the fork,bearings and frame compacted themselves under the force. Without this settling sound/feeling I would rule out the simple stuff first before getting into the head. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? >Hmm... Maybe those wheelies the other day weren't such a great idea after >all. How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? Tighten >the big hex bolt at the steering head? I don't have a service manual yet, >or I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I have plans to go back >to Crossroads Cycle and have them take a look at it, but if simply >tightening a bolt fixes it, I won't bother. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR > > >From: Horkster >The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the >steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, >I would suppose) generally takes care of it. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:33:15 1999 From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:33:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Whoa! 15-20 stick-on weights on the rear wheel? This doesn't sound good. If these weights are 1/4 ounce each (7g for Collin) that means over 4 ounces (100g). The Honda manual says never add more than 60g of weight when balancing. Maybe the rear tire is out of round or when installed the balance mark wasn't placed at the valve stem. I would recommend having the rear tire balance rechecked. If it still requires that much weight, then the tire should be broken down, spun 180 degrees on the rim and rebalanced. My $.02 Bruce > p.s. The rear wheel now has about 15-20 new glue-on wheel weights on one > side of the back wheel and one extra weight on the spine of the front > wheel. That seems like a lot to me, but what do I know? From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:46:11 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M (Rich), BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: Sliding down the GW Parkway on bald tires while spray painting tr affic cameras and plugging lawyers with my 9 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:44:59 -0400 Jonathan wrote... >I have very little tact when I write and I realize that. I would not speak >to a stranger in the same way I write, I'm just not a talented enough writer >to put my conversational tone into paragraphs. Please take the written >attitude with a grain of salt. Thanks - ...Which I think is a great piece of writing. Honest, and to the point. I wish I was a better writer, so that I could explain some thing I've learned (or invite people to ride with me, or tell a story, or...) without sounding like I'm preaching or something. I'm still working on that. Can I use the above as my sig file? Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:51:08 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:50:48 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Interenet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 A "Tank Slapper" is a little bit more extreme than headshake. Headshake feels like a slight back and forth twisting or vibrating of the front forks. A full on Tank Slapper is exactly what it sounds like. For example, while riding in DC, I was accelerating moderately out of a right-hand turn, when the front wheel hit the edge of one of those big metal plates they have laid down all over the city. The plate was wet, and when the tire hit it, it slid a little bit and fell of the edge of the plate into a small rut along the edge. This caused the front fork to start to twist, which started the infamous Tank Slapper. The fork went from left lock (turned all the way to the left) to right lock (all the way to the right) 3 times in about 1-2 seconds. If you are riding a sportbike, it will literally cause our hands/forearms to slap against the tank. It's quite scary, however the best way to ride your way out of a tank slapper is to relax. The bike will right itself all by it's lonesome in a second or two. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brown To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:57 PM Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 > > From: "Jordan, Michael" > > To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > > > My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - > > aerodynamics can be a factor. > > > Is that aerodynamics issues, or loading which affects the center of balance? > > Also, isn't this "flapping bars" effect what's also known as "A tank slapper?" > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 15:19:11 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:20:10 -0400 To: Lordorange@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: Loudoun Motorsports needs Cornerworkers for Track Day I think I found us a victim, I mean volunteer. At 01:36 PM 9/1/99 EDT, Lordorange@XXXXXX wrote: >Hello All, > >The subject line pretty much sums it up. They need cornerworkers for their >track day on Sept. 7th. They prefer MARRC trained/experienced cornerworkers, >but are willing to train. They're giving a $50 stipend, lunch and a t-shirt. > Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is 703-779-1652. > >thanx, >-matt > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:14:13 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Flapping Bars/Head Bearings To: Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I like the knowledge that flows through here... new road test technique when buying a used bike: ride with no hands.. if the bars shake, it might need new head bearings... if you fall, you baught the bike. heh heh course the guy you buy the bike from might be a little freaked out if you tell him "hey I rode with no hands, and your bars were shaking" He might tell you to get lost hehe. --- Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > Chris - > > Check Zik Zaleebs (sp?) VTR page of the Sport-twin.com page. It > hasn't been > updated in a long while ( the VTR list erupted in flames last > year,he got > sick of it, dropped off the list and quit updating), but its a > pretty > comprehensive site. The VTR has cheap head bearings and some folks > upgraded > theirs to roller bearings I think. So it is a recognized semi weak > link on > the bike, but most people were't reporting problems when I was big > into it. > maybe some other on the list can chime in on this, but I always > pictured the > the steering head to be sort of a sensitive area, one where i > wouldn't want > to just snug down the bolt with out specific torque settings. I > also think > that loose head bearing/bolt would manifest itself when applying > the brakes, > with a sort of "chunk . ." feeling/sound as the fork,bearings and > frame > compacted themselves under the force. Without this settling > sound/feeling I > would rule out the simple stuff first before getting into the head. > > Jonathan > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? > > > >Hmm... Maybe those wheelies the other day weren't such a great > idea after > >all. How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? > Tighten > >the big hex bolt at the steering head? I don't have a service > manual yet, > >or I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I have plans to > go back > >to Crossroads Cycle and have them take a look at it, but if simply > >tightening a bolt fixes it, I won't bother. > > > >Chris Weaver > >'98 VTR > > > > > >From: Horkster > >The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the > >steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, > >I would suppose) generally takes care of it. > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > >computer. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:24:23 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? To: "Burger, Donald" , "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX He also said they put "lots of new weights" on his wheels. Is that normal? I had my tires changed and they put 3 small weights on my front and none on my back (or maybe 1?) Maybe the wheels aren't balanced right? maybe the guy who did the work was being trained, or distracted, or something. My friend bought a 98 ninja 250 with 300 miles, when I test rode it, I thought i felt the bars shake, a second person confirmed it. then when he got it home, I rode it again and didn't feel it. When i first felt it, I thought it was the road, so i went into a parking lot and got the same results.. I think I'll ride it again and see if i notice it again. Any ideas? --- "Burger, Donald" wrote: > I vote for the back wheel being out of alignment. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:17 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Flapping Bars? > > > > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. > When I let > > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth > slowly at > > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my > sense of > > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is > no > > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel > the > > flapping > > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to > happen all the > > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > > > > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. > I wonder > > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of > the people > > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at > least > > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the > front and > > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or > back > > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back > wheel being > > out of alignment? > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > Chris Weaver > > '98 VTR 1000 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by > persons or > > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you > > received > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > > computer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:37:18 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:32:11 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? You might also want to check the tire itself for runout. Tread runout can be caused by a slight missalignment while mounting the tire, or be a defect of the tire itself. Bill christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being > out of alignment? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:43:53 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:43:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Loudoun Motorsports needs Cornerworkers for Track Day To: Lordorange@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow sounds fun.. is it dangerous? Just curious.. I won't be applying. --- Lordorange@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello All, > > The subject line pretty much sums it up. They need cornerworkers > for their > track day on Sept. 7th. They prefer MARRC trained/experienced > cornerworkers, > but are willing to train. They're giving a $50 stipend, lunch and > a t-shirt. > Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is > 703-779-1652. > > thanx, > -matt > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:55:58 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Woah cool.. I had a tank slapper and didn't even know it. happened so fast.. it corrected itself I guess. And I was wondering what a tank slapper was... Daniel 91 kawa ninja ex 250 --- "Kirt S." wrote: > A "Tank Slapper" is a little bit more extreme than headshake. > Headshake > feels like a slight back and forth twisting or vibrating of the > front forks. > A full on Tank Slapper is exactly what it sounds like. For > example, while > riding in DC, I was accelerating moderately out of a right-hand > turn, when > the front wheel hit the edge of one of those big metal plates they > have laid > down all over the city. The plate was wet, and when the tire hit > it, it > slid a little bit and fell of the edge of the plate into a small > rut along > the edge. This caused the front fork to start to twist, which > started the > infamous Tank Slapper. The fork went from left lock (turned all > the way to > the left) to right lock (all the way to the right) 3 times in about > 1-2 > seconds. If you are riding a sportbike, it will literally cause > our > hands/forearms to slap against the tank. It's quite scary, however > the best > way to ride your way out of a tank slapper is to relax. The bike > will right > itself all by it's lonesome in a second or two. > > Kirt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Brown > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:57 PM > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 > > > From: "Jordan, Michael" > > > To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > > > > > My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without > the > luggage - > > > aerodynamics can be a factor. > > > > > > Is that aerodynamics issues, or loading which affects the center > of > balance? > > > > Also, isn't this "flapping bars" effect what's also known as "A > tank > slapper?" > > > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 17:03:19 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:04:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [non-mc] Job Vacancies Here's some job vacancies that may interest some of you -- see www.jil.com for more info. Senior Engineer, Herndon, VA ADP Systems Analyst, Crystal City, VA Installation Tech.- DIA Warehouse/Alex.VA Excess Equipment Technician -Bolling AFB Lan Systems Administrator (LSA)- Bolling AFB Maintenance Technician thanks, Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 17:40:37 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:42:51 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? I might be up for Monday, not before. Larry Meyer '97 Bandit 1200 > > --- On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:55:42 -0400 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > wrote: > > >Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in > >organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest > but > >no organization. > > > >Mark > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from > any > >computer. > > > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 9/1/99 HSTA/AMA 1:56:28 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 18:28:16 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:26:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Daniel, I got a shed a couple of years ago for my old house. It was an 8x10 that I got from one of those Amish places that sell fully built sheds. I believe it was around $1200. It was a very high quality wood shed, bought at the corner of 29 and 198 in Burtonsville, MD. 8x10 can fit 2 bikes comfortably depending on the door location. Mine had a 4 ft wide door toward one side of the 10' wall. It really only let 1 bike in/out. My race bike had to be muscled into the other side of the shed to fit. If you want to work on the bike while in the shed I'd recommend at least a 10x10 (unless the door is on the 8' side. A sport bike is about 7-8 ft. from tire edge to tire edge (OK, maybe a little less for a 250, but still not much room to move around the bike). I almost always did my work in the driveway for that reason. It sure is nice to have both a 2-car garage and a 12x12 shed now :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 19:16:42 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:11:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Be careful with that 2-car garage and shed. Junk accumulates to fill the space available. I have a 2-car garage, 2-car mostly enclosed carport, and have room to park/work on two bikes. The cages sit outside. Bill Jay St. Peter wrote: > Daniel, > > I got a shed a couple of years ago for my old house. It was an 8x10 that I > got from one of those Amish places that sell fully built sheds. I believe > it was around $1200. It was a very high quality wood shed, bought at the > corner of 29 and 198 in Burtonsville, MD. > 8x10 can fit 2 bikes comfortably depending on the door location. Mine had a > 4 ft wide door toward one side of the 10' wall. It really only let 1 bike > in/out. My race bike had to be muscled into the other side of the shed to > fit. > If you want to work on the bike while in the shed I'd recommend at least a > 10x10 (unless the door is on the 8' side. A sport bike is about 7-8 ft. > from tire edge to tire edge (OK, maybe a little less for a 250, but still > not much room to move around the bike). I almost always did my work in the > driveway for that reason. > It sure is nice to have both a 2-car garage and a 12x12 shed now :) > > Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 19:19:39 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tour update http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 21:05:31 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:14:07 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: dc-cycles Subject: re: Flapping Bars? From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being > out of alignment? > Any feedback would be appreciated. Maybe it was those wheelies you talked about doing earlier. How hard did your front wheel land anyway? My '95 VFR (8K miles) exhibits some wobbliness at speeds over 50 or so, but since I have never wheelied it, I can only surmise that it has to do with the road surface. JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 21:54:54 1999 From: TByrdCafey@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:54:16 EDT Subject: BMW R11RTL for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 1996 R11RTL (with radio) for sale. Glacier Green, full luggage set with top-box, Bob's Wrist Rest, Corbin saddle, optional lower footrests, BMW Multivario tankbag. Extras. 7,500 miles, professionally maintained. Perfect condition. $12,500. respond private email to TByrdCafey@XXXXXX Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 22:00:25 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 99 21:34:06 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles --- On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:14:07 -0700 "John C. Kozyn" wrote: >From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > >> I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let >> go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at >> first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of >> self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no >> problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping >> force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the >> time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > >> As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder >> if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people >> who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least >> attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and >> back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back >> wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being >> out of alignment? > >> Any feedback would be appreciated. > >Maybe it was those wheelies you talked about doing earlier. How hard did >your front wheel land anyway? My '95 VFR (8K miles) exhibits some >wobbliness at speeds over 50 or so, but since I have never wheelied it, >I can only surmise that it has to do with the road surface. > >JK > Which tires did you use? I had pretty serious headshake with my 91 vfr as my 207's wore down, might be a function of the tire profile and pressure. Just a thought. And Friday I slab it down to Atlanta, for a weekend of family followed by monday doing deal's gap and the cherohola, then coming north monday afternoon or tuesday morning on the Blue Ridge. Should be back Wednesday, roughly 2000 miles later. Have a nice weekend. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/1/99 HSTA/AMA 9:34:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 00:38:03 1999 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:37:26 EDT Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? - Oh Yeah! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, after 70ish, hellish hours in the restaraunt this week, I have off Saturday morning and Sunday morning. I think I will definetly be riding one, if not both of these mornings. I like to lead fairly brisk paced riders. Probably not WSDYMFG, but pretty quick. Any takers? If my old man's up for it, we could probably put together a fairly decent route. (Hopefully I'll have my new Givi stuff on there by then too....heh. One Maxia for now.) -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 00:50:59 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:47:12 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding gear.. On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: >Seems like a no-brainer, Brain....if you're willing to >spend +/- $500. Vanson Avenger with perforated front >panels, or (because you're moving to hot weather) the >entire jacket perforated (I'm not certain that it >doesn't have a different name when it's constructed >like this). FYI y'all,Wash HD/Clinton Cycles had some of those perforated jackets on sale on the Harley side. <$150 or there-abouts. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 00:54:06 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:50:24 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:29 -0400 Horkster wrote: >A while ago, Tracy told me about how her company, Lockheed Martin, >offered to provide the required technology & equipment to local jurisdictions in the area FOR FREE (!!!!) to send out these kind of >bills to speeders/red light runners. Only catch was Lockheed wanted >a cut of the profits. No joke. I actually think some groups seriously >considered it for a while. The prospects of that kind of collarboration >are bone-chilling.... Correct me if I'm wrong,but hasn't Geico given free radar guns to LE's in the past? Yet another reason I'll never be insured by them. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 01:00:55 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:57:12 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:48:42 -0400 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: The problem >also has only occurred since the tire change - it never happened before >that in identical circumstances. I think the most likely cause is >improperly balanced wheels (especially given the seeming excess of weights >on the rear wheel since the change), but other ideas are good to hear. I'd also vote for tire imbalance. I had the same prob with my old VFR. I wound up pulling the weight off the front wheel after checking the balance with the axel on a pair of wheel stands. Shake went away. I think the best evidence is that it didn't start until after the tire change. Unless you pulled a wheelie while leaving the dealership. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 06:28:05 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:26:51 EDT Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/1/99 9:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << Maybe it was those wheelies you talked about doing earlier. How hard did your front wheel land anyway? My '95 VFR (8K miles) exhibits some wobbliness at speeds over 50 or so, but since I have never wheelied it, I can only surmise that it has to do with the road surface. >> That wobbliness with no hands on the bars, you folks have been talking about is almost always caused by excessive wheel runout or even minor tire cupping which effectively results in runout. If it is new tire, and it didn't wobble (with hands off the bars) before changing the tire, I would check the tire for manufacturing defects. Even loose steering stem bearings will not cause a wobble if everything is straight up front. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 08:29:00 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:28:35 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Accept-Language: en To: david griff , dc-cycles , mzfawaz@XXXXXX Subject: Track Day On Tuesday Lisa a few friends and I will be there, we will be over by the air hose across from the Gas bumps (I love the buzz you get when the wind is just right :-). We don't have no fancy canopy or team signs but we will have a big blue Jeep with the tag Bike Puller and some hair umbrella boy's. I will have some tools and a grill so if there is anything we can do just ask, both our bikes will be close to street legal so if someone goes down and needs a trailer home we could work something out. If you are riding out we will have some room if you want to drop something off send me a note. We will be on a VFR and a T-595, if you see us introduce yourselves. Jay and Lisa TEAM "Whatever My Wife Wants" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 08:48:28 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:47:52 EDT Subject: Loudoun Motorsports..oops, I gave the wrong number To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX << Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is > 703-779-1652.> >> my mistake...the correct number is 703-777-1652 -matt From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:08:57 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: , Subject: RE: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:07:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Bill, I'm sure my wife will see to it that there is room to park at least 1 cage in the garage :) Jay > > > Be careful with that 2-car garage and shed. Junk accumulates to > fill the space > available. I have a 2-car garage, 2-car mostly enclosed carport, > and have room > to park/work on two bikes. The cages sit outside. > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:28:10 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:24:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Fred et al, The tires were a set of Collin's race take-offs. If what you're saying is true, that might explain the wobbling. I did some more riding last night and found that (1) it didn't matter if I was in neutral or not - it wiggled either way, (2) there were only 10 weights on the back (7 on one side and 3 on the other), not 15-20 as I said earlier - I must have been smoking something, and (3) the bars don't shake any worse after a certain point - they shake more and more until a certain point, then slow down or stay the same. In any case, it's a moot point. I'm getting new tires put on Saturday morning. The tires I have on there now were only meant as a temporary solution until I found the tires I want anyway. I'll be getting the new tires put on by a mechanic that I trust this time, too. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: Boiade@XXXXXX That wobbliness with no hands on the bars, you folks have been talking about is almost always caused by excessive wheel runout or even minor tire cupping which effectively results in runout. If it is new tire, and it didn't wobble (with hands off the bars) before changing the tire, I would check the tire for manufacturing defects. Even loose steering stem bearings will not cause a wobble if everything is straight up front. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:28:41 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: synth oil use in H-D To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Of course H-D doesn't recommend using anything like that....My guess is that it is like any other manufacturer and that they recommend one specific oil so there is less likelihood of a lawsuit from some bonehead that used another brand and then did something totally unrelated to grenade a motor, etc. etc. Honda recommends using Honda brand (or at least the used to.. not sure what the newest manuals say). yamaha recommended using Yamalube (which from what mechanics tells me is pretty good stuff). Coincidentally, I notice H-D makes there very own oil brand...hmmmm..non-synthetic but expensive as hell... Synth won't hurt an H-D at all. Although, like with any bike, if you had aan oil weep with dyno oil, it could increase with a switch to synthetic. Buddy at my old office (here in DC) ran Mobil 1 in his H-D and loved it.... If I had the cash for it, I'd run Silkolene or Red Line in my race bike. Both are proven to increase horsepower by a tad bit.... but you pay for it at the checkout stand :) (and we all know I'm a cheap sob ;-)) Collin --original message-- Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:05:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of synthetic oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:49:12 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:49:00 -0400 I sent this note in to the Slug Web Page, hoping they will post it to the bulletin board. This incident pissed me off as it was someone I ride with and care very much for. > -----Original Message----- > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:27 AM > To: 'slugman@XXXXXX' > Subject: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a motorcyclist was > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was driving a > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV lanes on to > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was in the right > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right lane to exit > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for writing is that > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind all drivers, > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > Cathy Love > Pentagon/610 Slugger From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:53:27 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:47:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Mine gave up the quest few years ago when I had eight outboard race boats under construction at the same time. And she had high hopes when I filled a 30 cu yard rolloff with junk, but alas - not quite enough room for a cage. Someday .... Bill Jay St. Peter wrote: > Bill, > > I'm sure my wife will see to it that there is room to park at least 1 cage > in the garage :) > > Jay > > > > > > Be careful with that 2-car garage and shed. Junk accumulates to > > fill the space > > available. I have a 2-car garage, 2-car mostly enclosed carport, > > and have room > > to park/work on two bikes. The cages sit outside. > > > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:57:55 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: flapping bars & tank slappers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX lol.. or if you're riding a newer GSXR with race comps on it, then tank slappers become a routine occurance, and you can use them to place fear into competitors causing them to give you plenty of room to get away !! lol >From Steve Harris, I hear this also works well on a TL1kR! Once I get back home, I'll see if I can't scan a short avi of the small tank slapper I got in practice last Saturday at summit point.. had the camera mounted in the tail pointing backwards... too bad I didn't get it turned on properly for the race :( Re: Chris' problem, I already emailed him and kirk r direct, but to pass along some info from my experience; I had my first set of Avon's mounted by Crossroads and when I got it back had the same symptoms. took it back, they changed some weights, same problem... did a quick and dirty check on a race stand and found that they added all the weights right on the heavy spot amplifying the out of balnceness of the tire... I've always heard good things about Xroads, but that was my only experience with them...YMMV Collin Kirt wrote: If you are riding a sportbike, it will literally cause our hands/forearms to slap against the tank. It's quite scary, however the best way to ride your way out of a tank slapper is to relax. The bike will right itself all by it's lonesome in a second or two. Kirt === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:00:59 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: ninja 250 shakies was flapping bars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Daniel, Ninja 250's (and 500's) are known for having crappy steering head bearings... very cheap and easy to swap em to tapered roler bearings. (the 250's also have super soft vlaves too.. which flatten out and leak badly with age/hard use) Collin Daniel wrote: My friend bought a 98 ninja 250 with 300 miles, when I test rode it, I thought i felt the bars shake, a second person confirmed it. then when he got it home, I rode it again and didn't feel it. When i first felt it, I thought it was the road, so i went into a parking lot and got the same results.. I think I'll ride it again and see if i notice it again. Any ideas? === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:07:17 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Deals gap hoax was lookout on gw parkway To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm pretty sure that one turned out to be a hoax. Been a bit over a year and my brain grows foggy after about two days, but that's what I seem to recall the verdict being after that story popped up on all sorts of mailing lists and someone from that area talked with the local DA's and checked records.... CT Daniel wrote: Did you ever read that story about the deals gap motorcyclist who got railroaded, by the police and the DA ? perfect example. === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:24:55 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:24:47 -0400 This happened yesterday on his way home from work. He is fine... just scraped his hands and knees and was able to lay the bike down on his own without much damage. NO ONE STOPPED. Another biker came along just after it happened and he stopped, but none of the cars stopped. He was able to get back up and continue riding home. He's a little sore today, but no real damage done. He is a very experienced rider (about 30 years riding) and has been in a lot of accidents prior to this, so it was practically nothing to him.... but I was just FURIOUS that the bitch didn't even stop and no one else did either. I slug to work when I'm not riding my bike and I was so offended that no one did a thing. I can't imagine the hysteria I would have experienced had it been me in the back seat of that car. Cathy -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:10 AM To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Cathy, did this happen just recently? I seem to recall a very similar story occurring a couple of weeks ago. Are you saying that nobody stopped? Not even other drivers? WTF! I'm very sorry to hear about this, and hope your friend recovers soon and well. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR [mailto:Cathy.Love@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:49 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FW: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > I sent this note in to the Slug Web Page, hoping they will post it to the > bulletin board. This incident pissed me off as it was someone I ride with > and care very much for. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:27 AM > > To: 'slugman@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a > motorcyclist was > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was > driving a > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV > lanes on to > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was > in the right > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right > lane to exit > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for > writing is that > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind > all drivers, > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > Cathy Love > > Pentagon/610 Slugger > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:31:01 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:30:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Accept-Language: en To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a motorcyclist was > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was driving a > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV lanes on to > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was in the right > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right lane to exit > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for writing is that > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind all drivers, > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. Actually, a friend is an ex Loudon deputy. it is your legal requirement to report any crime in the commonwealth. it's called the 'Hue & Cry' law, from colonial times, but still on the books. a misdemeanor, but he did arrest someone for it & got a conviction... Hope they find the scum that did this & prosecute fully. > > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > Cathy Love > > Pentagon/610 Slugger -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:35:32 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: , Subject: RE: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:33:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Well, now that you mention it, my wife parked her car in the garage for the first 3 days we owned the new house. Since then, I've been setting up my shop area, putting up cabinets etc. and the garage has been too trashed for her to park there. Of course my intention is to clean out one side for her to park ..... BTW, does anyone have a spare dresser they want to get rid of. It will go in my garage to store stuff (moto content - like motorcycle parts, zip-ties, and duct tape), so the only requirement is that it be sturdy and cheap. So, Bill, you must've raced boats like Brian McCoy races motorcycles if you need 8 boats to make it through the season Jay St. Peter > > Mine gave up the quest few years ago when I had eight outboard race boats > under construction at the same time. And she had high hopes when > I filled a 30 > cu yard rolloff with junk, but alas - not quite enough room for a cage. > Someday .... > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:45:40 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: "'Dave Yates'" , "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:45:32 -0400 yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend didn't even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be done about it. Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will come forward, but I doubt it. SCUMBAGS -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:30 AM To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a motorcyclist was > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was driving a > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV lanes on to > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was in the right > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right lane to exit > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for writing is that > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind all drivers, > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. Actually, a friend is an ex Loudon deputy. it is your legal requirement to report any crime in the commonwealth. it's called the 'Hue & Cry' law, from colonial times, but still on the books. a misdemeanor, but he did arrest someone for it & got a conviction... Hope they find the scum that did this & prosecute fully. > > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > Cathy Love > > Pentagon/610 Slugger -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:48:48 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: racing.. Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:48:14 -0700 Hey now.. it's been 2 times.. and all cosmetic (except the foot-peg).. sheesh. And to think that I spent all that time mounting, prepping and painting the bodywork, as well as rebuilding the forks and Fox shock... I feel like Rodney Dangerfield here.. LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay St. Peter [mailto:jay.stpeter@XXXXXX] > > So, Bill, you must've raced boats like Brian McCoy races > motorcycles if you > need 8 boats to make it through the season it wasn't my > bike Brian was crashing> From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:58:02 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:50:31 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: XS750 Triples, anyone? Howdy! My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? Good/bad, anything to look out for? I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. Any info appreciated. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 11:07:55 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:07:46 -0400 I agree and I tried to reason with him last night about reporting it, but he is adamant that it's not necessary and pointless. I'll continue to NAG him about it and use your reasoning to help get my point across. Thanks for all your support. Cathy -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:56 AM To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend didn't > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be done > about it. I respectfully disagree with this. What if he had been seriously hurt? People like this are a danger to society in general & must be punished or we'll have road chaos. Please, report it yourself if you have to. Hit & run in Va. is a serious felony offense, with jail time as a likely outcome. since there were others in the car, she had to know. Please, for the other drivers & riders out there, report this to the police immediately. Maybe there's nothing that can be done, but what if they do manage to find the offender, ? the roads will be that much safer. > Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will > come forward, but I doubt it. > SCUMBAGS > > Thanks, > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 11:16:52 1999 From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" , Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:20:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 My god, what a%&holes! I'm so glad he's alright. My thoughts are with him. As usual, I have to think...what's happened with the world?...to not even stop to see if he was ok...unthinkable (well, for me, obviously not everyone)... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:24 AM Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > This happened yesterday on his way home from work. He is fine... just > scraped his hands and knees and was able to lay the bike down on his own > without much damage. NO ONE STOPPED. Another biker came along just after > it happened and he stopped, but none of the cars stopped. He was able to > get back up and continue riding home. He's a little sore today, but no real > damage done. He is a very experienced rider (about 30 years riding) and has > been in a lot of accidents prior to this, so it was practically nothing to > him.... but I was just FURIOUS that the bitch didn't even stop and no one > else did either. I slug to work when I'm not riding my bike and I was so > offended that no one did a thing. I can't imagine the hysteria I would have > experienced had it been me in the back seat of that car. > Cathy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 11:37:16 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Horkster cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: XS750 Triples, anyone? Cool. My first bike was a XS750 Triple. I really loved that bike, and only gave it up because I don't have the resources to dedicate that a bike that old takes. Specific mechanical issues I know of: 1) Second gear in these bikes is quite fragile. Make sure it's there. There is a Y-triples page that has more info, or at least it did when I was it's webmaster... 2) Fuel petcocks are vacuum actuated, and may develop leaks. Depending on the leak, you'll either find gas leaking outside, (into your helmet, if you use the helmet lock) or worse, it can leak down into the carbs. This causes them to overflow into the crankcase, which causes your oil level to mysteriously rise overnight, and of course reduces the protective quality of your crankcase oil to approximately that of dishwater. 3) It's a shaftie, make sure the owner has paid any attention to the front and rear shaft lube. The bike should come with a special tool for measuring these levels. 4) The fuse block fuse clips tend to get brittle, then crack, then lose their grip on the fuses. This results in high resistance connections at the fuses, and can eventually lead to a melted fuse block. After a run, pop of the seat and make sure the fuse block is cool and shows no sign of melting. 5) It's an aluminum head. If someone has tightened spark plugs while the head was hot, then the odds are that you'll find helicoil in there. 6) Any 20+ year old bike is likely to have cracking rubber. Of special note are the rubber sleeves that convey the mix from the carbs to the intake manifold. if these are cracked, then performance will suffer. The side covers are held on with rubber studs that may also fail with age. 7) The forks don't have protection. Inspect the forks for dings, which would mean the fork seals' days are numbered. The bike is on the tall side (good for me), and handled nicely. Good Luck! -ph On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Horkster wrote: > Howdy! > > My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, > has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, > but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, > I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? > Good/bad, anything to look out for? > > I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically > (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos > with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. > > Any info appreciated. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > --- Peter Hartzler Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:06:50 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:00:36 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: XS750 Triples, anyone? I have owned two of them. Great bike and fun to man handle around, but neither was a chopper. The only problem I ever had with ether one of them is that sooner or latter you will start to loose second gear. Had the same problem with both of them. Now granted, I didn't treat them with kit gloves and both where ridden very hard all the time. But all in all loved them both. Besides, if worst comes to worst its cheaper finding one that has been use to test the theory that two solid object cant occupy the same space at the same time and grab the motor out of it. Got my second one from a wrecker for $400 and used the forks from my first to get the second on the road. I would say if he likes the bike to go for it. Hope it helps. Nelson P.S. Here is the URL for the Triples web site and web ring (every thing you could ever want to know about the triples): http://w3.one.net/~ryanr/triplesite/main.html Horkster wrote: > Howdy! > > My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, > has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, > but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, > I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? > Good/bad, anything to look out for? > > I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically > (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos > with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. > > Any info appreciated. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:17:29 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:11:18 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN For all you know someone may have seen it and turned in the tag # but without a victim there is no crime. Please keep on him to report it and hopefully we can get this POS off the road. Hope he is feeling better. Nelson "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > I agree and I tried to reason with him last night about reporting it, but he > is adamant that it's not necessary and pointless. I'll continue to NAG him > about it and use your reasoning to help get my point across. > Thanks for all your support. > Cathy > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:56 AM > To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend didn't > > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be done > > about it. > > I respectfully disagree with this. What if he had been seriously hurt? > People > like this are a danger to society in general & must be punished or we'll > have > road chaos. Please, report it yourself if you have to. Hit & run in Va. > is a > serious felony offense, with jail time as a likely outcome. since there > were > others in the car, she had to know. Please, for the other drivers & riders > out > there, report this to the police immediately. Maybe there's nothing that > can be > done, but what if they do manage to find the offender, ? the roads will be > that > much safer. > > > Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will > > come forward, but I doubt it. > > SCUMBAGS > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > Systems Analyst > > Soza & Company, Ltd. > > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > > ATG Group Webmaster > > (301) 496-3760 > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:37:17 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:31:39 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: XS750 Triples, anyone? To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I even have a photo of mine old XS 750 (though no my first bike) http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=45730&a=325645&p=11036334&Sequence=1 > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:51 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: XS750 Triples, anyone? > > > Howdy! > > My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, > has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, > but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, > I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? > Good/bad, anything to look out for? > > I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically > (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos > with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. > > Any info appreciated. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:42:01 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Deals gap hoax was lookout on gw parkway To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well I read the story on an active link on the dealsgap web page last week, and it was written in the first person, and asked that the page be emailed to various gov't representatives. I don't think it was actually on deals gap, but a place near by. Let me find the url... http://www.dealsgap.com then click news and the second link or directly at: http://www.dealsgap.com/dgincident/index.html is this the same incident to which you are refering? It looks pretty real, he has a scanned image of the ticket, and the other guys in the photo appear to be holding up tickets. --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > I'm pretty sure that one turned out to be a hoax. Been a bit over > a > year and my brain grows foggy after about two days, but that's what > I > seem to recall the verdict being after that story popped up on all > sorts of mailing lists and someone from that area talked with the > local > DA's and checked records.... > > CT > > > Daniel wrote: > > Did you ever read that story about the deals gap motorcyclist > who got railroaded, by the police and the DA ? perfect example. > > > > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:57:19 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" , "'Dave Yates'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What is this slug thing? carpooling? then there's a chance one of the car poolers don't like the driver and reported it.. or maybe the driver reported it but the police just dont' know who went down? Maybe the driver didn't know he/she was the cause of the accident, and just thoght the guy went down on his own. You might actually get some kind of closure.. maybe the driver did report it.. maybe the driver didn't know she was the cause and someone in the vehicle had to be somewhere really important? Or maybe the police need the motorcyclists side of the story before they charge the woman.. The woman's version may be "I saw a motorcyclist go down right behind me, was he okay?" (her radio could have been up and not heard the thump of the wheel hitting, if there was a thump) Sorry I'm not trying to flame or offend anyone, or be a wise ass, I'm just maybe trying to find some explanation.. anyway have your friend report it, or you go report it.. after all it's a crime to fail to report a crime right? personally, I'd like to hear of some kind of outcome with this case as well.. I always feel bad hearing about a hit and run accident, especially on a fellow motorcyclist. Daniel 91 ninja 250 --- "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend > didn't > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be > done > about it. Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, > someone will > come forward, but I doubt it. > SCUMBAGS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:30 AM > To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a > motorcyclist > was > > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was > driving > a > > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV > lanes on > to > > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was > in the > right > > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right > lane to > exit > > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just > short of the > > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the > motorcycle was > > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for > writing is > that > > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman > in the > > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was > hit, so > > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind > all > drivers, > > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to > intervene or at > > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due > to the > > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. > > Actually, a friend is an ex Loudon deputy. it is your legal > requirement to > report any crime in the commonwealth. it's called the 'Hue & Cry' > law, from > colonial times, but still on the books. a misdemeanor, but he did > arrest > someone for it & got a conviction... > Hope they find the scum that did this & prosecute fully. > > > > > > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > > > Cathy Love > > > Pentagon/610 Slugger > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 13:21:21 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:22:41 -0400 To: dc-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: weekend ride??? So what's the consensus... or is there one? I'll vote for early Sunday, but any day is fine with me if I know by Friday. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 13:56:50 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:59:13 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: weekend ride??? I'd like to go. Any day is also fine with me. Randy Moran Grant Heffernan wrote: > So what's the consensus... or is there one? I'll vote for early Sunday, > but any day is fine with me if I know by Friday. > > ********************************* > Grant M. Heffernan > Field Systems Engineer > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > Reston, VA 20191 > ph: (703) 715-8721 > fax: (703) 715-8750 > http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 13:57:15 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:52:05 -0400 Subject: Weekend ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Ok, I will organize a weekend ride if we can all agree on the time/place. I am only able to ride on Saturday. I was thinking a 9AM departure from Manassas (earlier from Arlington where I am) and either the long or shorter route proposed to me by Greg Sachs. Either one will take us into the mountains west of town. I have not yet had the chance to go over either of the routes in detail, but will do so later today. This is my first ride, so any advice would be appreciated. I can lead for a while, but of course I am willing to have others do the same. The pace will be whatever makes you comfortable, and we will wait for those slower. I expect initially to have a faster than average pace, but nothing too intense. Please email me if you are going to make it...then I will organize the details. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 14:04:26 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: To report or not to report, was Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN To: Nelson Fernandez , "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree. Someone said it's the law that you have to report a crime if you know about it.. put yourself in Cathy's shoes, and it was your friend.. would you report it, if you were her? There's like a certain delima, where on one hand it's the right thing to do on the other hand it's against your friends wishes and thus may cross a boundry in the friendship.. --- Nelson Fernandez wrote: > For all you know someone may have seen it and turned in the tag # > but without a > victim there is no crime. Please keep on him to report it and > hopefully we can > get this POS off the road. Hope he is feeling better. > Nelson > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > I agree and I tried to reason with him last night about reporting > it, but he > > is adamant that it's not necessary and pointless. I'll continue > to NAG him > > about it and use your reasoning to help get my point across. > > Thanks for all your support. > > Cathy > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:56 AM > > To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > > > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My > friend didn't > > > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that > could be done > > > about it. > > > > I respectfully disagree with this. What if he had been seriously > hurt? > > People > > like this are a