From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 03:53:49 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: RE: license plate covers To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Hmmmm.... I no photo expert but I find it hard to believe that if > my naked > eye can't see the plate from a certain angle that their camera can. > Any > camera experts here? I can't imagine those camera lenses being too > fantastic seeing how they still need a flash to get your tag at > night. I think some cameras pick up light on different frequencies and can see more. > Oh and of all of the photo camera's I've seen they take the picture > from the > rear, not the front. I woudln't know. > So who wants to test mine out by running a red light in the area? > :-) I'll > loan you the cover, not the vehicle! I'll loan my bike, and someone else put their tag on. Then when the ticket comes to the address, you can say some punk musta stole your tag and put it back, as that's not your bike or you riding it. The tag belongs to the state right? charge them with the ticket. :) > Glenn > > > > >[from a different list] > > >I guess we're all spewing a bunch of useless shit. > > >Congrats, Bill Huson, you win. It seems we'll just > >have to slow down now. That is, until they invent a > >plate cover that actually works. > > > >--- Big Kahuna wrote: > > From: "Big Kahuna" > > To: > > Subject: RE: license plate covers > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:04:09 -0700 > > Reply-to: cbr900@XXXXXX > > > > They don't work! > > > > I saw a special on Dateline that showed that all the > > devices that said they > > prevented the police from viewing your plates by > > camera, don't hamper them > > at all. At first, the photo's looked bright and you > > couldn't make out the > > plate, but then the simply reversed the image and > > there they were. They had > > a few different and equally as quick ways of > > manipulating the image to get > > the numbers off the plates. > > > > The only good thing about motorcycles is that they > > don't have a front plate, > > and I believe most camera's shoot the pictures from > > the front. > > > > -- > > Big Kahuna > > cbr900rr@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 05:50:58 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:50:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Morality of speeding To: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark wrote: > There's a bigger issue here. You are not "alone" even if there's no > one within > sight on the road. To take an extreme point of view, let's say you > are riding > alone, and crash. Eventually, someone comes by, and they call 911. > The EMTs > respond, take you to the hospital, and after some period of time, > you leave, > not too much the worse for wear. So, who else did you endanger? > > the person who stopped for you on the side of the road > they could have been hit by on-coming traffic > > anyone traveling over any debris (glass, oil, etc.) as a result > of your accident > > the medical personnel who had to drive [fast] to come to your aid > > any injured person who could have been treated by the EMTs and > physicians that were treating you instead (Assuming you were alone) Okay you make some good points.. but dare I say, speed alone is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at risk, even when riding all alone.. but can you blame speeding, for crashing? I personally dont'think so, and contend there has to be some other, more direct cause. If you're riding at 50 or 90 (in a 55), you're still running the same risks, if you crash, for the "people who come by". Good semaritan and EMT people put themselves at risk, no one puts a gun to their head. They assume the risk, as do we all. > => > => Are you telling me you never drove like a bat out of hell? > => > > Sure I have, but don't kid yourself that if you are "alone" that > you are not > endangering anyone else. Maybe.. maybe not.. I suppose if you put hazardous debri on the road, then you are endangering others.. but driving alone isnt' the cause of that.. accidents are. Also when one drives, doesn't one have knowledge that this type of thing can exist, and take the risk anyway? > Please understand that I'm not preaching... I'm presenting a very > extreme > viewpoint (not a viewpoint that I am personally committed to), but Understood, and I thank you.. you've certainly presented ideas I havne't thought of, and presented them intellegently and respectfully.. > I try to > keep those risk factors (that I may be a risk to other people who > are _not_ > present) in mind and sometimes I temper my riding because it's > unfair to > others. Sometimes I just give money to the local fire & rescue fund > and ride > anyway... Considerate.. :) > => > => It's my oppion that, if you can do 90 and control your bike as > => well as if you were doing 55, and didn't hurt anyone, then no > > Interesting definition...the "didn't hurt anyone" part. So, if on > Monday you > drive down a road at 90 and don't hurt anyone it's OK, and on > Tuesday you drive > the same way, and you (alone) get hurt, you are a reckless driver? > Were you any > less (or more) reckless on Monday, or just lucky? If you drive monday and dont' crash, and drive tuesday and do crash, then I can't see how you've driven the same way. If on tuesday you hit an oil spill and crashed, and didn't see it in time, then it's reckless I suppose. If you drove the same speed, (beyond your sight,) then that would have to be reckless too on monday. I think we can agree a person shouldn't risk others, we'll have to disagree on how you define "putting others at risk". > => harm no foul. Speed might be a contributing factor to injury, > => but speed doesn't kill, driver error and accidents (by > malfunction > => or unforseable events) do. > => > => It's a pet peeve of mine to hear a person say speed kills. > => If that's the case why isn't every astronaut and racer > => dead... because speed doesn't kill and IMO speeding isn't > => inherently wrong.. so what's your beef with speed? Do you hate > > In the simplest, most pedantic case, I agree with you, speed does > not kill. > However, speed is more than a "contributing factor" in many cases. > If you have > an accident while driving down a road at 90, and you didn't have > one when > driving at 50, is the difference in velocity merely a "contributing > factor" or > is it the root cause of the accident? i'd say contributing factor. If another person can go down the same road at 90 and not crash, then speed couldn't be the cause.. the cause I would presume, would be the rider not riding within his limits. > => the speed, or do you really mean people who drive over > aggressively? > => How are you defining bat out of hell? bat out of hell always > meant > => speed to me. > => > => Personally I'd like to see High speed lanes just like we have > high > => occupancy lanes, especially with borders around them... low > speed > => lanes could be for 45 mph and high speed could be 75. I think > => it would be more efficient and a less dangerous mixture of > different > => speed (and aggressive drivers) 2 lands and 2 lanes, you > wouldn't > => have those idiots jumping over 4 lanes driving improperly. The > => worse they coudl do would be pass on the right. > > I agree about your diagnosis regarding aggression vrs speed, but > not your > prescription. Unfortunately, idiots will drive like idiots, no > matter how much > you border them in. I still think it would be a little safer though.. you'd keep the timid slower reaction, younger or older drivers on a seperate road. > I just got back to the US after spending time in Turkey and Europe. > While the > driving in Turkey is objectively worse than in the US (accident > rate, fatality > rate, etc.), in both Turkey and through out Europe (Italy, > Switzerland, France, > Germany), there isn't the same level as aggression as I've seen in > the US. > People drive _fast_ over "there". However, there's much less of a > problem with > the 20+ mph speed differential between lanes for the mind-numbingly > simple fact > that people keep to the right except when passing! > > I don't want to start a long, philosophical flame-fest thread with > this, but I > think there's more to speeding (or riding in the first place) than > the risk > that you as an individual are assuming. I guess you could carry it one step further and say there is more to life than to the role you're assuming ? :) > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 > Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > -- > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 05:51:06 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Morality of speeding To: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark wrote: > There's a bigger issue here. You are not "alone" even if there's no > one within > sight on the road. To take an extreme point of view, let's say you > are riding > alone, and crash. Eventually, someone comes by, and they call 911. > The EMTs > respond, take you to the hospital, and after some period of time, > you leave, > not too much the worse for wear. So, who else did you endanger? > > the person who stopped for you on the side of the road > they could have been hit by on-coming traffic > > anyone traveling over any debris (glass, oil, etc.) as a result > of your accident > > the medical personnel who had to drive [fast] to come to your aid > > any injured person who could have been treated by the EMTs and > physicians that were treating you instead (Assuming you were alone) Okay you make some good points.. but dare I say, speed alone is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at risk, even when riding all alone.. but can you blame speeding, for crashing? I personally dont'think so, and contend there has to be some other, more direct cause. If you're riding at 50 or 90 (in a 55), you're still running the same risks, if you crash, for the "people who come by". Good semaritan and EMT people put themselves at risk, no one puts a gun to their head. They assume the risk, as do we all. > => > => Are you telling me you never drove like a bat out of hell? > => > > Sure I have, but don't kid yourself that if you are "alone" that > you are not > endangering anyone else. Maybe.. maybe not.. I suppose if you put hazardous debri on the road, then you are endangering others.. but driving alone isnt' the cause of that.. accidents are. Also when one drives, doesn't one have knowledge that this type of thing can exist, and take the risk anyway? > Please understand that I'm not preaching... I'm presenting a very > extreme > viewpoint (not a viewpoint that I am personally committed to), but Understood, and I thank you.. you've certainly presented ideas I havne't thought of, and presented them intellegently and respectfully.. > I try to > keep those risk factors (that I may be a risk to other people who > are _not_ > present) in mind and sometimes I temper my riding because it's > unfair to > others. Sometimes I just give money to the local fire & rescue fund > and ride > anyway... Considerate.. :) > => > => It's my oppion that, if you can do 90 and control your bike as > => well as if you were doing 55, and didn't hurt anyone, then no > > Interesting definition...the "didn't hurt anyone" part. So, if on > Monday you > drive down a road at 90 and don't hurt anyone it's OK, and on > Tuesday you drive > the same way, and you (alone) get hurt, you are a reckless driver? > Were you any > less (or more) reckless on Monday, or just lucky? If you drive monday and dont' crash, and drive tuesday and do crash, then I can't see how you've driven the same way. If on tuesday you hit an oil spill and crashed, and didn't see it in time, then it's reckless I suppose. If you drove the same speed, (beyond your sight,) then that would have to be reckless too on monday. I think we can agree a person shouldn't risk others, we'll have to disagree on how you define "putting others at risk". > => harm no foul. Speed might be a contributing factor to injury, > => but speed doesn't kill, driver error and accidents (by > malfunction > => or unforseable events) do. > => > => It's a pet peeve of mine to hear a person say speed kills. > => If that's the case why isn't every astronaut and racer > => dead... because speed doesn't kill and IMO speeding isn't > => inherently wrong.. so what's your beef with speed? Do you hate > > In the simplest, most pedantic case, I agree with you, speed does > not kill. > However, speed is more than a "contributing factor" in many cases. > If you have > an accident while driving down a road at 90, and you didn't have > one when > driving at 50, is the difference in velocity merely a "contributing > factor" or > is it the root cause of the accident? i'd say contributing factor. If another person can go down the same road at 90 and not crash, then speed couldn't be the cause.. the cause I would presume, would be the rider not riding within his limits. > => the speed, or do you really mean people who drive over > aggressively? > => How are you defining bat out of hell? bat out of hell always > meant > => speed to me. > => > => Personally I'd like to see High speed lanes just like we have > high > => occupancy lanes, especially with borders around them... low > speed > => lanes could be for 45 mph and high speed could be 75. I think > => it would be more efficient and a less dangerous mixture of > different > => speed (and aggressive drivers) 2 lands and 2 lanes, you > wouldn't > => have those idiots jumping over 4 lanes driving improperly. The > => worse they coudl do would be pass on the right. > > I agree about your diagnosis regarding aggression vrs speed, but > not your > prescription. Unfortunately, idiots will drive like idiots, no > matter how much > you border them in. I still think it would be a little safer though.. you'd keep the timid slower reaction, younger or older drivers on a seperate road. > I just got back to the US after spending time in Turkey and Europe. > While the > driving in Turkey is objectively worse than in the US (accident > rate, fatality > rate, etc.), in both Turkey and through out Europe (Italy, > Switzerland, France, > Germany), there isn't the same level as aggression as I've seen in > the US. > People drive _fast_ over "there". However, there's much less of a > problem with > the 20+ mph speed differential between lanes for the mind-numbingly > simple fact > that people keep to the right except when passing! > > I don't want to start a long, philosophical flame-fest thread with > this, but I > think there's more to speeding (or riding in the first place) than > the risk > that you as an individual are assuming. I guess you could carry it one step further and say there is more to life than to the role you're assuming ? :) > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 > Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > -- > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 06:49:51 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:49:33 -0400 Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in my vehicles. Glenn >Well than, there you go ... if the manual sez 15-50 for summer, 10-40 >for winter, thats the deal. Methinks mine sez straight 60W for extreme >heat - like desert type, and something lighter than 15-50 for dead cold, >like around freezing. The only real prob with 15-50 in the winter is the >frigging engine is tough to kick over with goo for oil. This is my clue >to take the cage, being as I'm skinny and freeze kinda quick :-) >Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 07:12:30 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Old tires over new/Learning to slide On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > If one would like to learn to slide, the technique is not to go out on > old ass tires on a public road in the name of "practice". You certainly have some interesting interpretations... I guess you envision Leon out on Duke St doing full dirt track style slides complete with bumping of the other "competitors" (a losing proposition of course as an elbow or shoulder applied to a car door doesn't do much good. Better to give them the boot). :) I really don't think that's what Leon's talking about. I like to practice in parking lots (Leon as well, he's set-up parking lot practice sessions in the past. Hey, it's time for another one. Maybe I can get the best time on the circles if Collin is several hundred miles away...). Also, I don't know anyone who advocates dirt road riding (on your street bike) more than Leon. > Buy an XR and find a field. It's way less dangerous. I don't really think this works all that well, at least not for me. Going from sliding a 250lb bike to sliding a 450lb or more bike just doesn't carry over that well for me. > I have very little tact when I write and I realize that. I would not > speak to a stranger in the same way I write, I'm just not a talented > enough writer to put my conversational tone into paragraphs. Please > take the written attitude with a grain of salt. Thanks - I hope that's true. However, first impressions are lasting impressions. If you really don't want people to think you're a prick you should put some more effort into it... Sorry, I couldn't resist... :) Kirk (often a jerk on purpose) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 07:55:36 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 07:50:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Daniel aka ITM CC: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morality of speeding --------------A169ECB54EE5BC4CDF742FD2 Daniel aka ITM wrote: > Okay you make some good points.. but dare I say, speed alone > is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits > and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only > become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at > risk, even when riding all alone.. but can you blame > speeding, for crashing? I personally dont'think so, and contend > there has to be some other, more direct cause. > > Yeah, driving over your head would be a cause, and that is defined as going TO FAST for one's skill level and/or the capabiity of the machine. So the "more direct cause" would be gross stupidity. Bill --------------A169ECB54EE5BC4CDF742FD2  

Daniel aka ITM wrote:

Okay you make some good points..  but dare I say, speed alone
is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits
and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only
become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at
risk, even when riding all alone..  but can you blame
speeding, for crashing?  I personally dont'think so, and contend
there has to be some other, more direct cause.
 
 
Yeah, driving over your head would be a cause, and that is defined as going TO FAST for one's skill level and/or the capabiity of the machine. So the "more direct cause" would be gross stupidity.

Bill --------------A169ECB54EE5BC4CDF742FD2-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:10:47 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:05:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of synthetic oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down > like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in my > vehicles. > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:22:09 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:22:05 -0400 Really??? Why??? What problems do they see with it especially in a HD where the tranny is not lubricated by the crankcase oil? It would seem to me with those air cooled engines synthetic would be the only way to go. What valid reasons do you have for not using it? The way I understood it from my friend who has a road king was that HD was approving Mobil 1 for use in their bikes. Or is HD saying to only use HD oil for their finical benefit? Glenn >Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of synthetic >oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. >Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down > like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in my > vehicles. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:54:03 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:43:00 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Old tires/Kirks flame bait To: DC Cycles X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Kirk - I don't want to get into this on a list. Ride whatever you want, however you want. If old tires are something to "revel" in so be it. If you're ever at the track we could discuss it under much more conciliatory conditions I'm sure. (I sold my street bikes) Jonathan Broga > > I hope that's true. However, first impressions are lasting impressions. If > you really don't want people to think you're a prick you should put some > more effort into it... Sorry, I couldn't resist... :) > > Kirk (often a jerk on purpose) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:58:48 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:53:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- Hmmm... I'd have to look at my jugs of oil, but I believe the tranny uses a synthetic blend. The clutch runs wet in the primary chain oil, which I think is petro based. H-D sez if one must use other oil, make sure it has the additive package for desiel engines so it will take the heat. Perhaps the new 1450 engine accepts a wider range of slickems. H-D merely markets someone elses oil under thier name. This can be bad - OMC (outboards) does the same thing. One year OMC changed suppliers. The oil was better, but not for us racers who had to run our fuel thru a *smoke* test. The new oil had to much *smoke* in it and would barely pass the GT meter test. Anyway, I have no valid reason for not running Mobil 1. But if you don't beat up a Harley engine the damn things will run more'n 100K with nothing but plugs and oil. Figure at my current rate of a bit over 10K/yr I'll be parking my ride in front of an old age home before the engine goes belly up. Probably need a side car rig by then. Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Really??? Why??? What problems do they see with it especially in a HD > where the tranny is not lubricated by the crankcase oil? It would seem to > me with those air cooled engines synthetic would be the only way to go. > What valid reasons do you have for not using it? The way I understood it > from my friend who has a road king was that HD was approving Mobil 1 for > use in their bikes. Or is HD saying to only use HD oil for their finical > benefit? > > Glenn > > >Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of > synthetic > >oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. > > >Bill > > Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > > > Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down > > like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in > my > > vehicles. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 10:34:56 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:17:07 -0400 Subject: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being out of alignment? Any feedback would be appreciated. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 10:43:26 1999 From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike died... looking for advice Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:36:39 -0400 Armed with all the good advice, I went out last night and examined the bike. First thing I did was to put the key back in, and try to start the bike. After a couple of seconds, the oil light slowly came on, and I mean slowly. Okay, easy conclusion, it's the battery. Power is getting through (so its not the fuse), and the key is working (so it's not the ignition switch). Off to wally-world to buy a battery and a charger. Monday's big project: rebuild the front calipers! -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Petty [mailto:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:05 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike died... looking for advice > > > So I was getting ready to ride in the morning, took the bike out of > neutral and put it in first, accidentally hit the kill switch, and the > bike died... > > Okay, here's the particulars. > > it's an '83 Honda V65 Magna with a two year old battery > > a) bike started first try this morning, and was warmed up > b) put the bike in first > c) hit the kill switch with the back of my hand > d) engine died > e) tried to put the bike back in neutral, but when I did, the > dash died > f) played with the key for several moments, nothing happened, > no lights, > no dash activity, nothing. > g) played with the kill switch several moments, nothing happened > h) caged it to work (I was already late), in a very bad mood. > > help? > > My first thought is that I've blown the master fuse, and that's the > first thing I'm gonna check when I get home. I thought maybe the kill > switch has gone south, but that wouldn't explain the dead dash. Could > the battery have given up the ghost that fast, and that completely? > > Any other thoughts? > > -Mark > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 10:57:11 1999 From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:03:15 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I think your guess about front wheel balance sounds right. I had a VTR but don't recall ever noticing that problem, and I would occasionally glide to a stop without my hands on the bars to stretch or something. You might also want to check rear wheel alignment if the chain tension was adjusted recently. I think that might cause similiar symptoms if the rear wheel was cocked a little to the side. Jonathan >As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder >if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people >who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least >attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and >back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back >wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being >out of alignment? > >Any feedback would be appreciated. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 11:44:25 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Bike died... looking for advice To: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Maybe the battery just needs water? I still might not rule out a bad connection either.. but I'd check the battery water level first off all, then i'd make sure the battery connections were tight, then try jiggling wires around the ingnition, then go buy a battery. Let us know... Daniel 91 ninja 250 --- Mark Petty wrote: > Armed with all the good advice, I went out last night and examined > the > bike. First thing I did was to put the key back in, and try to > start the > bike. After a couple of seconds, the oil light slowly came on, and > I > mean slowly. > > Okay, easy conclusion, it's the battery. Power is getting through > (so > its not the fuse), and the key is working (so it's not the ignition > switch). Off to wally-world to buy a battery and a charger. > > Monday's big project: rebuild the front calipers! > > -Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Petty [mailto:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:05 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Bike died... looking for advice > > > > > > So I was getting ready to ride in the morning, took the bike out > of > > neutral and put it in first, accidentally hit the kill switch, > and the > > bike died... > > > > Okay, here's the particulars. > > > > it's an '83 Honda V65 Magna with a two year old battery > > > > a) bike started first try this morning, and was warmed up > > b) put the bike in first > > c) hit the kill switch with the back of my hand > > d) engine died > > e) tried to put the bike back in neutral, but when I did, the > > dash died > > f) played with the key for several moments, nothing happened, > > no lights, > > no dash activity, nothing. > > g) played with the kill switch several moments, nothing happened > > h) caged it to work (I was already late), in a very bad mood. > > > > help? > > > > My first thought is that I've blown the master fuse, and that's > the > > first thing I'm gonna check when I get home. I thought maybe the > kill > > switch has gone south, but that wouldn't explain the dead dash. > Could > > the battery have given up the ghost that fast, and that > completely? > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > -Mark > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:06:10 1999 From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:56:37 -0400 I vote for the back wheel being out of alignment. > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Flapping Bars? > > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the > flapping > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being > out of alignment? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:13:26 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) To: Daniel aka ITM , Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I see hechinger has an 8x10 shed for $188 or $199 something like that. I already have concrete in the backyard, so I think I'm going to get a shed. Anyone baught one recently? If so What size did you buy and how much was it? Or maybe you've priced them? guess i'll get an 8x10 or 8x12. Guess I'll go to home depot this evening and check out what they have... === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:34:08 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:22:38 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:17:07 -0400 >I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of self-preservation kicks in. ------------------------------------------------------------- The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, I would suppose) generally takes care of it. Hope this helps. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:45:55 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:41:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hmm... Maybe those wheelies the other day weren't such a great idea after all. How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? Tighten the big hex bolt at the steering head? I don't have a service manual yet, or I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I have plans to go back to Crossroads Cycle and have them take a look at it, but if simply tightening a bolt fixes it, I won't bother. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: Horkster The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, I would suppose) generally takes care of it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:50:49 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:49:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) At 12:13 PM 9/1/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >I see hechinger has an 8x10 shed for $188 or $199 something like >that. I already have concrete in the backyard, so I think I'm >going to get a shed. > >Anyone baught one recently? >If so What size did you buy and how much was it? >Or maybe you've priced them? guess i'll get an 8x10 or >8x12. Guess I'll go to home depot this evening and check >out what they have... Wish I could buy one....HOA doesn't allow them. Rubbermaid sells a pretty durable (Ugly as sin) shed for a few hundred. If I bought one, I would want it to be big enough to work on the bike in. At least for oil changes, etc.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:12:41 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:55:42 -0400 Subject: Weekend Ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but no organization. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:22:03 1999 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:15:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Content-Disposition: inline >>How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? Tighten the big hex bolt at the steering head?<< You will most likely find two notched nuts under the top triple clamp. The big hex bolt at the steering head you mentioned is on top of the top triple clamp. Depending on how your steering head is put together determines how easy it is to adjust them. On my bike you have to remove the top triple clamp in order to adjust the notched nuts. I believe that's not necessary on all bikes. Even if it is, its removal is usually fairly easy. Adjusting the nuts Sit at the back of the seat to get the front wheel off the ground. Check how freely the steering moves, allowing it to "fall" against the end stop. It will probably fall easily and "bounce" a couple of times off the end stop. After loosening the top notched nut,tighten the bottom nut either with the proper tool or with a flat blade screwdriver and wooden mallet until you can repeat the above test and get things tightened up just enough to eliminate the bounce. If you make it too tight the steering won't fall all the way to the stop. You don't want that because It will cause the bike to drift to one side or the other when you are trying to go straight. One you have it set right, simply tighten the top notched nut down on the lower one to keep it from moving out of adjustment. Of course this description is generic and your bike may have somewhat different procedures for adjusting the bearings. But you would need the service manual to see how much different. In any case you should be OK as long as you don't make the bearings too tight. Hope this helps Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:33:34 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:31:19 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:55 PM 9/1/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in >organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but >no organization. I am up for a Friday / Sunday or Monday ride if one is planned. Taking off for a 4 day weekend, but nowhere to travel to! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:33:44 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - aerodynamics can be a factor. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:37:25 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:36:35 EDT Subject: Loudoun Motorsports needs Cornerworkers for Track Day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hello All, The subject line pretty much sums it up. They need cornerworkers for their track day on Sept. 7th. They prefer MARRC trained/experienced cornerworkers, but are willing to train. They're giving a $50 stipend, lunch and a t-shirt. Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is 703-779-1652. thanx, -matt From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:48:05 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > How would I go about tightening the steering > head bearings? If someone else hasn't got the answer already, Usually there is a second nut under the big 'easy to identify' top one. In many cases it takes a spanner type wrench to turn it (or a BFH and punch if you're not to concerned about looks.) Tighten it until you start to feel some resistance when you turn the handlebars, then back off a bit. By turning the handlebars you shouldn't be able to tell that anything changed, but when riding it will make a difference. You might also want to check for 'flat spots' when turning the handlebars. If you can feel a flatspot, then you need to live with the headshake until your new bearings come in. Leon - who was once refused entry into an experienced rider course because of flattened steering head bearings - - it didn't shake when I had my hands on the bars. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:57:52 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:57:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 > From: "Jordan, Michael" > To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - > aerodynamics can be a factor. Is that aerodynamics issues, or loading which affects the center of balance? Also, isn't this "flapping bars" effect what's also known as "A tank slapper?" -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:58:23 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:59:43 -0400 To: Troutman , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm up for sat/sun/mon. At 01:31 PM 9/1/99 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 12:55 PM 9/1/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >>Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in >>organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but >>no organization. > >I am up for a Friday / Sunday or Monday ride if one is planned. Taking >off for a 4 day weekend, but nowhere to travel to! > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:59:33 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 99 13:56:28 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Weekend Ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX I was going to to my regular first saturday of the month ride, but I'll be in atlanta this weekend. I do have two nice routes though if anyone is interested-One is all day, starting in manassas and work down to the base of skyline, then up skyline to 211 and a couple other roads, the other is shorter, working down to 211 from manassas and then through the gw forest. greg --- On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:55:42 -0400 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in >organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but >no organization. > >Mark >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/1/99 HSTA/AMA 1:56:28 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:00:50 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:48:42 -0400 Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Aerodynamics shouldn't be a factor in my particular problem, as the bike has no luggage and the headshake happens even at lower speeds where aerodynamics wouldn't come into play. Good suggestion, though. The problem also has only occurred since the tire change - it never happened before that in identical circumstances. I think the most likely cause is improperly balanced wheels (especially given the seeming excess of weights on the rear wheel since the change), but other ideas are good to hear. Chris p.s. The rear wheel now has about 15-20 new glue-on wheel weights on one side of the back wheel and one extra weight on the spine of the front wheel. That seems like a lot to me, but what do I know? From: "Jordan, Michael" My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - aerodynamics can be a factor. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:01:15 1999 From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: Flapping Bars/Head Bearings Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:07:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Chris - Check Zik Zaleebs (sp?) VTR page of the Sport-twin.com page. It hasn't been updated in a long while ( the VTR list erupted in flames last year,he got sick of it, dropped off the list and quit updating), but its a pretty comprehensive site. The VTR has cheap head bearings and some folks upgraded theirs to roller bearings I think. So it is a recognized semi weak link on the bike, but most people were't reporting problems when I was big into it. maybe some other on the list can chime in on this, but I always pictured the the steering head to be sort of a sensitive area, one where i wouldn't want to just snug down the bolt with out specific torque settings. I also think that loose head bearing/bolt would manifest itself when applying the brakes, with a sort of "chunk . ." feeling/sound as the fork,bearings and frame compacted themselves under the force. Without this settling sound/feeling I would rule out the simple stuff first before getting into the head. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? >Hmm... Maybe those wheelies the other day weren't such a great idea after >all. How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? Tighten >the big hex bolt at the steering head? I don't have a service manual yet, >or I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I have plans to go back >to Crossroads Cycle and have them take a look at it, but if simply >tightening a bolt fixes it, I won't bother. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR > > >From: Horkster >The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the >steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, >I would suppose) generally takes care of it. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:33:15 1999 From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:33:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Whoa! 15-20 stick-on weights on the rear wheel? This doesn't sound good. If these weights are 1/4 ounce each (7g for Collin) that means over 4 ounces (100g). The Honda manual says never add more than 60g of weight when balancing. Maybe the rear tire is out of round or when installed the balance mark wasn't placed at the valve stem. I would recommend having the rear tire balance rechecked. If it still requires that much weight, then the tire should be broken down, spun 180 degrees on the rim and rebalanced. My $.02 Bruce > p.s. The rear wheel now has about 15-20 new glue-on wheel weights on one > side of the back wheel and one extra weight on the spine of the front > wheel. That seems like a lot to me, but what do I know? From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:46:11 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M (Rich), BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: Sliding down the GW Parkway on bald tires while spray painting tr affic cameras and plugging lawyers with my 9 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:44:59 -0400 Jonathan wrote... >I have very little tact when I write and I realize that. I would not speak >to a stranger in the same way I write, I'm just not a talented enough writer >to put my conversational tone into paragraphs. Please take the written >attitude with a grain of salt. Thanks - ...Which I think is a great piece of writing. Honest, and to the point. I wish I was a better writer, so that I could explain some thing I've learned (or invite people to ride with me, or tell a story, or...) without sounding like I'm preaching or something. I'm still working on that. Can I use the above as my sig file? Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:51:08 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:50:48 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Interenet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 A "Tank Slapper" is a little bit more extreme than headshake. Headshake feels like a slight back and forth twisting or vibrating of the front forks. A full on Tank Slapper is exactly what it sounds like. For example, while riding in DC, I was accelerating moderately out of a right-hand turn, when the front wheel hit the edge of one of those big metal plates they have laid down all over the city. The plate was wet, and when the tire hit it, it slid a little bit and fell of the edge of the plate into a small rut along the edge. This caused the front fork to start to twist, which started the infamous Tank Slapper. The fork went from left lock (turned all the way to the left) to right lock (all the way to the right) 3 times in about 1-2 seconds. If you are riding a sportbike, it will literally cause our hands/forearms to slap against the tank. It's quite scary, however the best way to ride your way out of a tank slapper is to relax. The bike will right itself all by it's lonesome in a second or two. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brown To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:57 PM Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 > > From: "Jordan, Michael" > > To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > > > My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - > > aerodynamics can be a factor. > > > Is that aerodynamics issues, or loading which affects the center of balance? > > Also, isn't this "flapping bars" effect what's also known as "A tank slapper?" > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 15:19:11 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:20:10 -0400 To: Lordorange@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: Loudoun Motorsports needs Cornerworkers for Track Day I think I found us a victim, I mean volunteer. At 01:36 PM 9/1/99 EDT, Lordorange@XXXXXX wrote: >Hello All, > >The subject line pretty much sums it up. They need cornerworkers for their >track day on Sept. 7th. They prefer MARRC trained/experienced cornerworkers, >but are willing to train. They're giving a $50 stipend, lunch and a t-shirt. > Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is 703-779-1652. > >thanx, >-matt > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:14:13 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Flapping Bars/Head Bearings To: Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I like the knowledge that flows through here... new road test technique when buying a used bike: ride with no hands.. if the bars shake, it might need new head bearings... if you fall, you baught the bike. heh heh course the guy you buy the bike from might be a little freaked out if you tell him "hey I rode with no hands, and your bars were shaking" He might tell you to get lost hehe. --- Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > Chris - > > Check Zik Zaleebs (sp?) VTR page of the Sport-twin.com page. It > hasn't been > updated in a long while ( the VTR list erupted in flames last > year,he got > sick of it, dropped off the list and quit updating), but its a > pretty > comprehensive site. The VTR has cheap head bearings and some folks > upgraded > theirs to roller bearings I think. So it is a recognized semi weak > link on > the bike, but most people were't reporting problems when I was big > into it. > maybe some other on the list can chime in on this, but I always > pictured the > the steering head to be sort of a sensitive area, one where i > wouldn't want > to just snug down the bolt with out specific torque settings. I > also think > that loose head bearing/bolt would manifest itself when applying > the brakes, > with a sort of "chunk . ." feeling/sound as the fork,bearings and > frame > compacted themselves under the force. Without this settling > sound/feeling I > would rule out the simple stuff first before getting into the head. > > Jonathan > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? > > > >Hmm... Maybe those wheelies the other day weren't such a great > idea after > >all. How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? > Tighten > >the big hex bolt at the steering head? I don't have a service > manual yet, > >or I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I have plans to > go back > >to Crossroads Cycle and have them take a look at it, but if simply > >tightening a bolt fixes it, I won't bother. > > > >Chris Weaver > >'98 VTR > > > > > >From: Horkster > >The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the > >steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, > >I would suppose) generally takes care of it. > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > >computer. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:24:23 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? To: "Burger, Donald" , "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX He also said they put "lots of new weights" on his wheels. Is that normal? I had my tires changed and they put 3 small weights on my front and none on my back (or maybe 1?) Maybe the wheels aren't balanced right? maybe the guy who did the work was being trained, or distracted, or something. My friend bought a 98 ninja 250 with 300 miles, when I test rode it, I thought i felt the bars shake, a second person confirmed it. then when he got it home, I rode it again and didn't feel it. When i first felt it, I thought it was the road, so i went into a parking lot and got the same results.. I think I'll ride it again and see if i notice it again. Any ideas? --- "Burger, Donald" wrote: > I vote for the back wheel being out of alignment. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:17 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Flapping Bars? > > > > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. > When I let > > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth > slowly at > > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my > sense of > > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is > no > > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel > the > > flapping > > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to > happen all the > > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > > > > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. > I wonder > > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of > the people > > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at > least > > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the > front and > > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or > back > > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back > wheel being > > out of alignment? > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > Chris Weaver > > '98 VTR 1000 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by > persons or > > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you > > received > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > > computer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:37:18 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:32:11 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? You might also want to check the tire itself for runout. Tread runout can be caused by a slight missalignment while mounting the tire, or be a defect of the tire itself. Bill christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being > out of alignment? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:43:53 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:43:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Loudoun Motorsports needs Cornerworkers for Track Day To: Lordorange@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow sounds fun.. is it dangerous? Just curious.. I won't be applying. --- Lordorange@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello All, > > The subject line pretty much sums it up. They need cornerworkers > for their > track day on Sept. 7th. They prefer MARRC trained/experienced > cornerworkers, > but are willing to train. They're giving a $50 stipend, lunch and > a t-shirt. > Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is > 703-779-1652. > > thanx, > -matt > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:55:58 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Woah cool.. I had a tank slapper and didn't even know it. happened so fast.. it corrected itself I guess. And I was wondering what a tank slapper was... Daniel 91 kawa ninja ex 250 --- "Kirt S." wrote: > A "Tank Slapper" is a little bit more extreme than headshake. > Headshake > feels like a slight back and forth twisting or vibrating of the > front forks. > A full on Tank Slapper is exactly what it sounds like. For > example, while > riding in DC, I was accelerating moderately out of a right-hand > turn, when > the front wheel hit the edge of one of those big metal plates they > have laid > down all over the city. The plate was wet, and when the tire hit > it, it > slid a little bit and fell of the edge of the plate into a small > rut along > the edge. This caused the front fork to start to twist, which > started the > infamous Tank Slapper. The fork went from left lock (turned all > the way to > the left) to right lock (all the way to the right) 3 times in about > 1-2 > seconds. If you are riding a sportbike, it will literally cause > our > hands/forearms to slap against the tank. It's quite scary, however > the best > way to ride your way out of a tank slapper is to relax. The bike > will right > itself all by it's lonesome in a second or two. > > Kirt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Brown > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:57 PM > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 > > > From: "Jordan, Michael" > > > To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > > > > > My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without > the > luggage - > > > aerodynamics can be a factor. > > > > > > Is that aerodynamics issues, or loading which affects the center > of > balance? > > > > Also, isn't this "flapping bars" effect what's also known as "A > tank > slapper?" > > > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 17:03:19 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:04:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [non-mc] Job Vacancies Here's some job vacancies that may interest some of you -- see www.jil.com for more info. Senior Engineer, Herndon, VA ADP Systems Analyst, Crystal City, VA Installation Tech.- DIA Warehouse/Alex.VA Excess Equipment Technician -Bolling AFB Lan Systems Administrator (LSA)- Bolling AFB Maintenance Technician thanks, Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 17:40:37 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:42:51 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? I might be up for Monday, not before. Larry Meyer '97 Bandit 1200 > > --- On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:55:42 -0400 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > wrote: > > >Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in > >organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest > but > >no organization. > > > >Mark > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from > any > >computer. > > > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 9/1/99 HSTA/AMA 1:56:28 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 18:28:16 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:26:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Daniel, I got a shed a couple of years ago for my old house. It was an 8x10 that I got from one of those Amish places that sell fully built sheds. I believe it was around $1200. It was a very high quality wood shed, bought at the corner of 29 and 198 in Burtonsville, MD. 8x10 can fit 2 bikes comfortably depending on the door location. Mine had a 4 ft wide door toward one side of the 10' wall. It really only let 1 bike in/out. My race bike had to be muscled into the other side of the shed to fit. If you want to work on the bike while in the shed I'd recommend at least a 10x10 (unless the door is on the 8' side. A sport bike is about 7-8 ft. from tire edge to tire edge (OK, maybe a little less for a 250, but still not much room to move around the bike). I almost always did my work in the driveway for that reason. It sure is nice to have both a 2-car garage and a 12x12 shed now :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 19:16:42 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:11:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Be careful with that 2-car garage and shed. Junk accumulates to fill the space available. I have a 2-car garage, 2-car mostly enclosed carport, and have room to park/work on two bikes. The cages sit outside. Bill Jay St. Peter wrote: > Daniel, > > I got a shed a couple of years ago for my old house. It was an 8x10 that I > got from one of those Amish places that sell fully built sheds. I believe > it was around $1200. It was a very high quality wood shed, bought at the > corner of 29 and 198 in Burtonsville, MD. > 8x10 can fit 2 bikes comfortably depending on the door location. Mine had a > 4 ft wide door toward one side of the 10' wall. It really only let 1 bike > in/out. My race bike had to be muscled into the other side of the shed to > fit. > If you want to work on the bike while in the shed I'd recommend at least a > 10x10 (unless the door is on the 8' side. A sport bike is about 7-8 ft. > from tire edge to tire edge (OK, maybe a little less for a 250, but still > not much room to move around the bike). I almost always did my work in the > driveway for that reason. > It sure is nice to have both a 2-car garage and a 12x12 shed now :) > > Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 19:19:39 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tour update http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 21:05:31 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:14:07 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: dc-cycles Subject: re: Flapping Bars? From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being > out of alignment? > Any feedback would be appreciated. Maybe it was those wheelies you talked about doing earlier. How hard did your front wheel land anyway? My '95 VFR (8K miles) exhibits some wobbliness at speeds over 50 or so, but since I have never wheelied it, I can only surmise that it has to do with the road surface. JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 21:54:54 1999 From: TByrdCafey@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:54:16 EDT Subject: BMW R11RTL for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 1996 R11RTL (with radio) for sale. Glacier Green, full luggage set with top-box, Bob's Wrist Rest, Corbin saddle, optional lower footrests, BMW Multivario tankbag. Extras. 7,500 miles, professionally maintained. Perfect condition. $12,500. respond private email to TByrdCafey@XXXXXX Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 22:00:25 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 99 21:34:06 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles --- On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:14:07 -0700 "John C. Kozyn" wrote: >From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > >> I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let >> go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at >> first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of >> self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no >> problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping >> force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the >> time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > >> As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder >> if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people >> who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least >> attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and >> back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back >> wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being >> out of alignment? > >> Any feedback would be appreciated. > >Maybe it was those wheelies you talked about doing earlier. How hard did >your front wheel land anyway? My '95 VFR (8K miles) exhibits some >wobbliness at speeds over 50 or so, but since I have never wheelied it, >I can only surmise that it has to do with the road surface. > >JK > Which tires did you use? I had pretty serious headshake with my 91 vfr as my 207's wore down, might be a function of the tire profile and pressure. Just a thought. And Friday I slab it down to Atlanta, for a weekend of family followed by monday doing deal's gap and the cherohola, then coming north monday afternoon or tuesday morning on the Blue Ridge. Should be back Wednesday, roughly 2000 miles later. Have a nice weekend. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/1/99 HSTA/AMA 9:34:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 00:38:03 1999 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:37:26 EDT Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? - Oh Yeah! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, after 70ish, hellish hours in the restaraunt this week, I have off Saturday morning and Sunday morning. I think I will definetly be riding one, if not both of these mornings. I like to lead fairly brisk paced riders. Probably not WSDYMFG, but pretty quick. Any takers? If my old man's up for it, we could probably put together a fairly decent route. (Hopefully I'll have my new Givi stuff on there by then too....heh. One Maxia for now.) -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 00:50:59 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:47:12 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding gear.. On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: >Seems like a no-brainer, Brain....if you're willing to >spend +/- $500. Vanson Avenger with perforated front >panels, or (because you're moving to hot weather) the >entire jacket perforated (I'm not certain that it >doesn't have a different name when it's constructed >like this). FYI y'all,Wash HD/Clinton Cycles had some of those perforated jackets on sale on the Harley side. <$150 or there-abouts. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 00:54:06 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:50:24 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:29 -0400 Horkster wrote: >A while ago, Tracy told me about how her company, Lockheed Martin, >offered to provide the required technology & equipment to local jurisdictions in the area FOR FREE (!!!!) to send out these kind of >bills to speeders/red light runners. Only catch was Lockheed wanted >a cut of the profits. No joke. I actually think some groups seriously >considered it for a while. The prospects of that kind of collarboration >are bone-chilling.... Correct me if I'm wrong,but hasn't Geico given free radar guns to LE's in the past? Yet another reason I'll never be insured by them. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 01:00:55 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:57:12 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:48:42 -0400 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: The problem >also has only occurred since the tire change - it never happened before >that in identical circumstances. I think the most likely cause is >improperly balanced wheels (especially given the seeming excess of weights >on the rear wheel since the change), but other ideas are good to hear. I'd also vote for tire imbalance. I had the same prob with my old VFR. I wound up pulling the weight off the front wheel after checking the balance with the axel on a pair of wheel stands. Shake went away. I think the best evidence is that it didn't start until after the tire change. Unless you pulled a wheelie while leaving the dealership. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 06:28:05 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:26:51 EDT Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/1/99 9:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << Maybe it was those wheelies you talked about doing earlier. How hard did your front wheel land anyway? My '95 VFR (8K miles) exhibits some wobbliness at speeds over 50 or so, but since I have never wheelied it, I can only surmise that it has to do with the road surface. >> That wobbliness with no hands on the bars, you folks have been talking about is almost always caused by excessive wheel runout or even minor tire cupping which effectively results in runout. If it is new tire, and it didn't wobble (with hands off the bars) before changing the tire, I would check the tire for manufacturing defects. Even loose steering stem bearings will not cause a wobble if everything is straight up front. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 08:29:00 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:28:35 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Accept-Language: en To: david griff , dc-cycles , mzfawaz@XXXXXX Subject: Track Day On Tuesday Lisa a few friends and I will be there, we will be over by the air hose across from the Gas bumps (I love the buzz you get when the wind is just right :-). We don't have no fancy canopy or team signs but we will have a big blue Jeep with the tag Bike Puller and some hair umbrella boy's. I will have some tools and a grill so if there is anything we can do just ask, both our bikes will be close to street legal so if someone goes down and needs a trailer home we could work something out. If you are riding out we will have some room if you want to drop something off send me a note. We will be on a VFR and a T-595, if you see us introduce yourselves. Jay and Lisa TEAM "Whatever My Wife Wants" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 08:48:28 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:47:52 EDT Subject: Loudoun Motorsports..oops, I gave the wrong number To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX << Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is > 703-779-1652.> >> my mistake...the correct number is 703-777-1652 -matt From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:08:57 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: , Subject: RE: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:07:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Bill, I'm sure my wife will see to it that there is room to park at least 1 cage in the garage :) Jay > > > Be careful with that 2-car garage and shed. Junk accumulates to > fill the space > available. I have a 2-car garage, 2-car mostly enclosed carport, > and have room > to park/work on two bikes. The cages sit outside. > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:28:10 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:24:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Fred et al, The tires were a set of Collin's race take-offs. If what you're saying is true, that might explain the wobbling. I did some more riding last night and found that (1) it didn't matter if I was in neutral or not - it wiggled either way, (2) there were only 10 weights on the back (7 on one side and 3 on the other), not 15-20 as I said earlier - I must have been smoking something, and (3) the bars don't shake any worse after a certain point - they shake more and more until a certain point, then slow down or stay the same. In any case, it's a moot point. I'm getting new tires put on Saturday morning. The tires I have on there now were only meant as a temporary solution until I found the tires I want anyway. I'll be getting the new tires put on by a mechanic that I trust this time, too. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: Boiade@XXXXXX That wobbliness with no hands on the bars, you folks have been talking about is almost always caused by excessive wheel runout or even minor tire cupping which effectively results in runout. If it is new tire, and it didn't wobble (with hands off the bars) before changing the tire, I would check the tire for manufacturing defects. Even loose steering stem bearings will not cause a wobble if everything is straight up front. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:28:41 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: synth oil use in H-D To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Of course H-D doesn't recommend using anything like that....My guess is that it is like any other manufacturer and that they recommend one specific oil so there is less likelihood of a lawsuit from some bonehead that used another brand and then did something totally unrelated to grenade a motor, etc. etc. Honda recommends using Honda brand (or at least the used to.. not sure what the newest manuals say). yamaha recommended using Yamalube (which from what mechanics tells me is pretty good stuff). Coincidentally, I notice H-D makes there very own oil brand...hmmmm..non-synthetic but expensive as hell... Synth won't hurt an H-D at all. Although, like with any bike, if you had aan oil weep with dyno oil, it could increase with a switch to synthetic. Buddy at my old office (here in DC) ran Mobil 1 in his H-D and loved it.... If I had the cash for it, I'd run Silkolene or Red Line in my race bike. Both are proven to increase horsepower by a tad bit.... but you pay for it at the checkout stand :) (and we all know I'm a cheap sob ;-)) Collin --original message-- Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:05:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of synthetic oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:49:12 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:49:00 -0400 I sent this note in to the Slug Web Page, hoping they will post it to the bulletin board. This incident pissed me off as it was someone I ride with and care very much for. > -----Original Message----- > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:27 AM > To: 'slugman@XXXXXX' > Subject: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a motorcyclist was > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was driving a > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV lanes on to > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was in the right > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right lane to exit > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for writing is that > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind all drivers, > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > Cathy Love > Pentagon/610 Slugger From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:53:27 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:47:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Mine gave up the quest few years ago when I had eight outboard race boats under construction at the same time. And she had high hopes when I filled a 30 cu yard rolloff with junk, but alas - not quite enough room for a cage. Someday .... Bill Jay St. Peter wrote: > Bill, > > I'm sure my wife will see to it that there is room to park at least 1 cage > in the garage :) > > Jay > > > > > > Be careful with that 2-car garage and shed. Junk accumulates to > > fill the space > > available. I have a 2-car garage, 2-car mostly enclosed carport, > > and have room > > to park/work on two bikes. The cages sit outside. > > > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:57:55 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: flapping bars & tank slappers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX lol.. or if you're riding a newer GSXR with race comps on it, then tank slappers become a routine occurance, and you can use them to place fear into competitors causing them to give you plenty of room to get away !! lol >From Steve Harris, I hear this also works well on a TL1kR! Once I get back home, I'll see if I can't scan a short avi of the small tank slapper I got in practice last Saturday at summit point.. had the camera mounted in the tail pointing backwards... too bad I didn't get it turned on properly for the race :( Re: Chris' problem, I already emailed him and kirk r direct, but to pass along some info from my experience; I had my first set of Avon's mounted by Crossroads and when I got it back had the same symptoms. took it back, they changed some weights, same problem... did a quick and dirty check on a race stand and found that they added all the weights right on the heavy spot amplifying the out of balnceness of the tire... I've always heard good things about Xroads, but that was my only experience with them...YMMV Collin Kirt wrote: If you are riding a sportbike, it will literally cause our hands/forearms to slap against the tank. It's quite scary, however the best way to ride your way out of a tank slapper is to relax. The bike will right itself all by it's lonesome in a second or two. Kirt === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:00:59 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: ninja 250 shakies was flapping bars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Daniel, Ninja 250's (and 500's) are known for having crappy steering head bearings... very cheap and easy to swap em to tapered roler bearings. (the 250's also have super soft vlaves too.. which flatten out and leak badly with age/hard use) Collin Daniel wrote: My friend bought a 98 ninja 250 with 300 miles, when I test rode it, I thought i felt the bars shake, a second person confirmed it. then when he got it home, I rode it again and didn't feel it. When i first felt it, I thought it was the road, so i went into a parking lot and got the same results.. I think I'll ride it again and see if i notice it again. Any ideas? === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:07:17 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Deals gap hoax was lookout on gw parkway To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm pretty sure that one turned out to be a hoax. Been a bit over a year and my brain grows foggy after about two days, but that's what I seem to recall the verdict being after that story popped up on all sorts of mailing lists and someone from that area talked with the local DA's and checked records.... CT Daniel wrote: Did you ever read that story about the deals gap motorcyclist who got railroaded, by the police and the DA ? perfect example. === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:24:55 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:24:47 -0400 This happened yesterday on his way home from work. He is fine... just scraped his hands and knees and was able to lay the bike down on his own without much damage. NO ONE STOPPED. Another biker came along just after it happened and he stopped, but none of the cars stopped. He was able to get back up and continue riding home. He's a little sore today, but no real damage done. He is a very experienced rider (about 30 years riding) and has been in a lot of accidents prior to this, so it was practically nothing to him.... but I was just FURIOUS that the bitch didn't even stop and no one else did either. I slug to work when I'm not riding my bike and I was so offended that no one did a thing. I can't imagine the hysteria I would have experienced had it been me in the back seat of that car. Cathy -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:10 AM To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Cathy, did this happen just recently? I seem to recall a very similar story occurring a couple of weeks ago. Are you saying that nobody stopped? Not even other drivers? WTF! I'm very sorry to hear about this, and hope your friend recovers soon and well. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR [mailto:Cathy.Love@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:49 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FW: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > I sent this note in to the Slug Web Page, hoping they will post it to the > bulletin board. This incident pissed me off as it was someone I ride with > and care very much for. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:27 AM > > To: 'slugman@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a > motorcyclist was > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was > driving a > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV > lanes on to > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was > in the right > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right > lane to exit > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for > writing is that > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind > all drivers, > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > Cathy Love > > Pentagon/610 Slugger > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:31:01 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:30:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Accept-Language: en To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a motorcyclist was > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was driving a > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV lanes on to > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was in the right > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right lane to exit > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for writing is that > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind all drivers, > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. Actually, a friend is an ex Loudon deputy. it is your legal requirement to report any crime in the commonwealth. it's called the 'Hue & Cry' law, from colonial times, but still on the books. a misdemeanor, but he did arrest someone for it & got a conviction... Hope they find the scum that did this & prosecute fully. > > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > Cathy Love > > Pentagon/610 Slugger -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:35:32 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: , Subject: RE: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:33:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Well, now that you mention it, my wife parked her car in the garage for the first 3 days we owned the new house. Since then, I've been setting up my shop area, putting up cabinets etc. and the garage has been too trashed for her to park there. Of course my intention is to clean out one side for her to park ..... BTW, does anyone have a spare dresser they want to get rid of. It will go in my garage to store stuff (moto content - like motorcycle parts, zip-ties, and duct tape), so the only requirement is that it be sturdy and cheap. So, Bill, you must've raced boats like Brian McCoy races motorcycles if you need 8 boats to make it through the season Jay St. Peter > > Mine gave up the quest few years ago when I had eight outboard race boats > under construction at the same time. And she had high hopes when > I filled a 30 > cu yard rolloff with junk, but alas - not quite enough room for a cage. > Someday .... > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:45:40 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: "'Dave Yates'" , "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:45:32 -0400 yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend didn't even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be done about it. Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will come forward, but I doubt it. SCUMBAGS -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:30 AM To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a motorcyclist was > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was driving a > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV lanes on to > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was in the right > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right lane to exit > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for writing is that > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind all drivers, > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. Actually, a friend is an ex Loudon deputy. it is your legal requirement to report any crime in the commonwealth. it's called the 'Hue & Cry' law, from colonial times, but still on the books. a misdemeanor, but he did arrest someone for it & got a conviction... Hope they find the scum that did this & prosecute fully. > > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > Cathy Love > > Pentagon/610 Slugger -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:48:48 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: racing.. Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:48:14 -0700 Hey now.. it's been 2 times.. and all cosmetic (except the foot-peg).. sheesh. And to think that I spent all that time mounting, prepping and painting the bodywork, as well as rebuilding the forks and Fox shock... I feel like Rodney Dangerfield here.. LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay St. Peter [mailto:jay.stpeter@XXXXXX] > > So, Bill, you must've raced boats like Brian McCoy races > motorcycles if you > need 8 boats to make it through the season it wasn't my > bike Brian was crashing> From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:58:02 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:50:31 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: XS750 Triples, anyone? Howdy! My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? Good/bad, anything to look out for? I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. Any info appreciated. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 11:07:55 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:07:46 -0400 I agree and I tried to reason with him last night about reporting it, but he is adamant that it's not necessary and pointless. I'll continue to NAG him about it and use your reasoning to help get my point across. Thanks for all your support. Cathy -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:56 AM To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend didn't > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be done > about it. I respectfully disagree with this. What if he had been seriously hurt? People like this are a danger to society in general & must be punished or we'll have road chaos. Please, report it yourself if you have to. Hit & run in Va. is a serious felony offense, with jail time as a likely outcome. since there were others in the car, she had to know. Please, for the other drivers & riders out there, report this to the police immediately. Maybe there's nothing that can be done, but what if they do manage to find the offender, ? the roads will be that much safer. > Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will > come forward, but I doubt it. > SCUMBAGS > > Thanks, > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 11:16:52 1999 From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" , Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:20:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 My god, what a%&holes! I'm so glad he's alright. My thoughts are with him. As usual, I have to think...what's happened with the world?...to not even stop to see if he was ok...unthinkable (well, for me, obviously not everyone)... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:24 AM Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > This happened yesterday on his way home from work. He is fine... just > scraped his hands and knees and was able to lay the bike down on his own > without much damage. NO ONE STOPPED. Another biker came along just after > it happened and he stopped, but none of the cars stopped. He was able to > get back up and continue riding home. He's a little sore today, but no real > damage done. He is a very experienced rider (about 30 years riding) and has > been in a lot of accidents prior to this, so it was practically nothing to > him.... but I was just FURIOUS that the bitch didn't even stop and no one > else did either. I slug to work when I'm not riding my bike and I was so > offended that no one did a thing. I can't imagine the hysteria I would have > experienced had it been me in the back seat of that car. > Cathy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 11:37:16 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Horkster cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: XS750 Triples, anyone? Cool. My first bike was a XS750 Triple. I really loved that bike, and only gave it up because I don't have the resources to dedicate that a bike that old takes. Specific mechanical issues I know of: 1) Second gear in these bikes is quite fragile. Make sure it's there. There is a Y-triples page that has more info, or at least it did when I was it's webmaster... 2) Fuel petcocks are vacuum actuated, and may develop leaks. Depending on the leak, you'll either find gas leaking outside, (into your helmet, if you use the helmet lock) or worse, it can leak down into the carbs. This causes them to overflow into the crankcase, which causes your oil level to mysteriously rise overnight, and of course reduces the protective quality of your crankcase oil to approximately that of dishwater. 3) It's a shaftie, make sure the owner has paid any attention to the front and rear shaft lube. The bike should come with a special tool for measuring these levels. 4) The fuse block fuse clips tend to get brittle, then crack, then lose their grip on the fuses. This results in high resistance connections at the fuses, and can eventually lead to a melted fuse block. After a run, pop of the seat and make sure the fuse block is cool and shows no sign of melting. 5) It's an aluminum head. If someone has tightened spark plugs while the head was hot, then the odds are that you'll find helicoil in there. 6) Any 20+ year old bike is likely to have cracking rubber. Of special note are the rubber sleeves that convey the mix from the carbs to the intake manifold. if these are cracked, then performance will suffer. The side covers are held on with rubber studs that may also fail with age. 7) The forks don't have protection. Inspect the forks for dings, which would mean the fork seals' days are numbered. The bike is on the tall side (good for me), and handled nicely. Good Luck! -ph On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Horkster wrote: > Howdy! > > My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, > has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, > but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, > I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? > Good/bad, anything to look out for? > > I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically > (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos > with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. > > Any info appreciated. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > --- Peter Hartzler Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:06:50 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:00:36 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: XS750 Triples, anyone? I have owned two of them. Great bike and fun to man handle around, but neither was a chopper. The only problem I ever had with ether one of them is that sooner or latter you will start to loose second gear. Had the same problem with both of them. Now granted, I didn't treat them with kit gloves and both where ridden very hard all the time. But all in all loved them both. Besides, if worst comes to worst its cheaper finding one that has been use to test the theory that two solid object cant occupy the same space at the same time and grab the motor out of it. Got my second one from a wrecker for $400 and used the forks from my first to get the second on the road. I would say if he likes the bike to go for it. Hope it helps. Nelson P.S. Here is the URL for the Triples web site and web ring (every thing you could ever want to know about the triples): http://w3.one.net/~ryanr/triplesite/main.html Horkster wrote: > Howdy! > > My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, > has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, > but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, > I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? > Good/bad, anything to look out for? > > I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically > (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos > with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. > > Any info appreciated. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:17:29 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:11:18 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN For all you know someone may have seen it and turned in the tag # but without a victim there is no crime. Please keep on him to report it and hopefully we can get this POS off the road. Hope he is feeling better. Nelson "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > I agree and I tried to reason with him last night about reporting it, but he > is adamant that it's not necessary and pointless. I'll continue to NAG him > about it and use your reasoning to help get my point across. > Thanks for all your support. > Cathy > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:56 AM > To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend didn't > > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be done > > about it. > > I respectfully disagree with this. What if he had been seriously hurt? > People > like this are a danger to society in general & must be punished or we'll > have > road chaos. Please, report it yourself if you have to. Hit & run in Va. > is a > serious felony offense, with jail time as a likely outcome. since there > were > others in the car, she had to know. Please, for the other drivers & riders > out > there, report this to the police immediately. Maybe there's nothing that > can be > done, but what if they do manage to find the offender, ? the roads will be > that > much safer. > > > Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will > > come forward, but I doubt it. > > SCUMBAGS > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > Systems Analyst > > Soza & Company, Ltd. > > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > > ATG Group Webmaster > > (301) 496-3760 > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:37:17 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:31:39 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: XS750 Triples, anyone? To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I even have a photo of mine old XS 750 (though no my first bike) http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=45730&a=325645&p=11036334&Sequence=1 > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:51 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: XS750 Triples, anyone? > > > Howdy! > > My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, > has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, > but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, > I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? > Good/bad, anything to look out for? > > I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically > (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos > with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. > > Any info appreciated. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:42:01 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Deals gap hoax was lookout on gw parkway To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well I read the story on an active link on the dealsgap web page last week, and it was written in the first person, and asked that the page be emailed to various gov't representatives. I don't think it was actually on deals gap, but a place near by. Let me find the url... http://www.dealsgap.com then click news and the second link or directly at: http://www.dealsgap.com/dgincident/index.html is this the same incident to which you are refering? It looks pretty real, he has a scanned image of the ticket, and the other guys in the photo appear to be holding up tickets. --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > I'm pretty sure that one turned out to be a hoax. Been a bit over > a > year and my brain grows foggy after about two days, but that's what > I > seem to recall the verdict being after that story popped up on all > sorts of mailing lists and someone from that area talked with the > local > DA's and checked records.... > > CT > > > Daniel wrote: > > Did you ever read that story about the deals gap motorcyclist > who got railroaded, by the police and the DA ? perfect example. > > > > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:57:19 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" , "'Dave Yates'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What is this slug thing? carpooling? then there's a chance one of the car poolers don't like the driver and reported it.. or maybe the driver reported it but the police just dont' know who went down? Maybe the driver didn't know he/she was the cause of the accident, and just thoght the guy went down on his own. You might actually get some kind of closure.. maybe the driver did report it.. maybe the driver didn't know she was the cause and someone in the vehicle had to be somewhere really important? Or maybe the police need the motorcyclists side of the story before they charge the woman.. The woman's version may be "I saw a motorcyclist go down right behind me, was he okay?" (her radio could have been up and not heard the thump of the wheel hitting, if there was a thump) Sorry I'm not trying to flame or offend anyone, or be a wise ass, I'm just maybe trying to find some explanation.. anyway have your friend report it, or you go report it.. after all it's a crime to fail to report a crime right? personally, I'd like to hear of some kind of outcome with this case as well.. I always feel bad hearing about a hit and run accident, especially on a fellow motorcyclist. Daniel 91 ninja 250 --- "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend > didn't > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be > done > about it. Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, > someone will > come forward, but I doubt it. > SCUMBAGS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:30 AM > To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a > motorcyclist > was > > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was > driving > a > > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV > lanes on > to > > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was > in the > right > > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right > lane to > exit > > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just > short of the > > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the > motorcycle was > > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for > writing is > that > > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman > in the > > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was > hit, so > > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind > all > drivers, > > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to > intervene or at > > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due > to the > > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. > > Actually, a friend is an ex Loudon deputy. it is your legal > requirement to > report any crime in the commonwealth. it's called the 'Hue & Cry' > law, from > colonial times, but still on the books. a misdemeanor, but he did > arrest > someone for it & got a conviction... > Hope they find the scum that did this & prosecute fully. > > > > > > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > > > Cathy Love > > > Pentagon/610 Slugger > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 13:21:21 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:22:41 -0400 To: dc-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: weekend ride??? So what's the consensus... or is there one? I'll vote for early Sunday, but any day is fine with me if I know by Friday. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 13:56:50 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:59:13 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: weekend ride??? I'd like to go. Any day is also fine with me. Randy Moran Grant Heffernan wrote: > So what's the consensus... or is there one? I'll vote for early Sunday, > but any day is fine with me if I know by Friday. > > ********************************* > Grant M. Heffernan > Field Systems Engineer > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > Reston, VA 20191 > ph: (703) 715-8721 > fax: (703) 715-8750 > http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 13:57:15 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:52:05 -0400 Subject: Weekend ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Ok, I will organize a weekend ride if we can all agree on the time/place. I am only able to ride on Saturday. I was thinking a 9AM departure from Manassas (earlier from Arlington where I am) and either the long or shorter route proposed to me by Greg Sachs. Either one will take us into the mountains west of town. I have not yet had the chance to go over either of the routes in detail, but will do so later today. This is my first ride, so any advice would be appreciated. I can lead for a while, but of course I am willing to have others do the same. The pace will be whatever makes you comfortable, and we will wait for those slower. I expect initially to have a faster than average pace, but nothing too intense. Please email me if you are going to make it...then I will organize the details. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 14:04:26 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: To report or not to report, was Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN To: Nelson Fernandez , "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree. Someone said it's the law that you have to report a crime if you know about it.. put yourself in Cathy's shoes, and it was your friend.. would you report it, if you were her? There's like a certain delima, where on one hand it's the right thing to do on the other hand it's against your friends wishes and thus may cross a boundry in the friendship.. --- Nelson Fernandez wrote: > For all you know someone may have seen it and turned in the tag # > but without a > victim there is no crime. Please keep on him to report it and > hopefully we can > get this POS off the road. Hope he is feeling better. > Nelson > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > I agree and I tried to reason with him last night about reporting > it, but he > > is adamant that it's not necessary and pointless. I'll continue > to NAG him > > about it and use your reasoning to help get my point across. > > Thanks for all your support. > > Cathy > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:56 AM > > To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > > > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My > friend didn't > > > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that > could be done > > > about it. > > > > I respectfully disagree with this. What if he had been seriously > hurt? > > People > > like this are a danger to society in general & must be punished > or we'll > > have > > road chaos. Please, report it yourself if you have to. Hit & > run in Va. > > is a > > serious felony offense, with jail time as a likely outcome. > since there > > were > > others in the car, she had to know. Please, for the other > drivers & riders > > out > > there, report this to the police immediately. Maybe there's > nothing that > > can be > > done, but what if they do manage to find the offender, ? the > roads will be > > that > > much safer. > > > > > Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will > > > come forward, but I doubt it. > > > SCUMBAGS > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > -- > > > Dave Yates > > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > > > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > > Systems Analyst > > > Soza & Company, Ltd. > > > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > > > ATG Group Webmaster > > > (301) 496-3760 > > > > -- > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > Systems Analyst > > Soza & Company, Ltd. > > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > > ATG Group Webmaster > > (301) 496-3760 > > -- > Nelson Fernandez > Network Administrator > Production Technology, Inc. > 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 > Arlington, VA 22202 > Phone 703.271.9055 > Fax 703.271.9059 > www. http://www.pti.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 14:06:43 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:03:51 -0400 Subject: Weekend ride II To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL After looking at a map, I was thinking about a fairly long ride to one of the best roads in the east coast...33 into West Virginia. My initial thought would be to go 211 to 33. Once in WVa, we could take a loop into Winchester, or just ride the same twisty road back. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 14:20:59 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride I'm in. ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Ok, I will organize a weekend ride if we can all agree on the time/place. > > I am only able to ride on Saturday. I was thinking a 9AM departure from > Manassas (earlier from Arlington where I am) and either the long or shorter > route proposed to me by Greg Sachs. Either one will take us into the > mountains west of town. I have not yet had the chance to go over either of > the routes in detail, but will do so later today. > > This is my first ride, so any advice would be appreciated. I can lead for > a while, but of course I am willing to have others do the same. The pace > will be whatever makes you comfortable, and we will wait for those slower. > I expect initially to have a faster than average pace, but nothing too > intense. > > Please email me if you are going to make it...then I will organize the > details. > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 14:54:18 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:30:14 -0400 Subject: Concours riders? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Would the person who organized the ride to Senneca Rocks a while back (rides a Concours?) please email me. Thanks Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 15:38:54 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: speed traps on Herndon Pkwy Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:37:51 -0400 My lovely wife just called me here at work to inform me that the Herndon Parkway is crawlin' with the Fuzz. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA "We wanna be free to ride our machines without being hassled by the man..." - Peter Fonda in 'The Wild Angels' (1966) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 16:02:07 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:01:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: FRIDAY RIDE Friend fell through...still open for longish ride tomorrow. We were planning on hitting Skyline if anyone is interested..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 16:14:22 1999 From: Genna Melamed To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Weekend ride II Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:11:27 -0400 I'd like to join this too. Any day, time is fine. Genna VTR1000 -----Original Message----- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:07 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend ride II After looking at a map, I was thinking about a fairly long ride to one of the best roads in the east coast...33 into West Virginia. My initial thought would be to go 211 to 33. Once in WVa, we could take a loop into Winchester, or just ride the same twisty road back. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 16:41:17 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:36:11 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Heh heh - Nope, most of the boats were for other racers. Like the shoemaker with no shoes, mine never got painted and ran with an X for a number. I didn't mind `cause it was fast as stink. Only crashed once - a aerial blowover with enough altitude to get a 9.6 score from the pit groupies. Bill > So, Bill, you must've raced boats like Brian McCoy races motorcycles if you > need 8 boats to make it through the season bike Brian was crashing> > > Jay St. Peter > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 16:47:55 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:47:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: FRIDAY RIDE At 04:01 PM 9/2/99 , Troutman wrote: Trevor is back in for tomorrow's medium paced ride if anyone is interested. Meeting in Centreville, headed down 29 to 55 to Skyline, then scatter. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 17:22:14 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FRIDAY RIDE I'm in... what's the plan? ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Troutman wrote: > Friend fell through...still open for longish ride tomorrow. We were > planning on hitting Skyline if anyone is interested..... > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 17:24:23 1999 From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: 95 VFR decals for sale Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:20:49 -0400 Last year I ordered a complete set of OEM decals for my 1995 Honda VFR when I had it painted. What I didn't realize is that all the decals have red trim on them, and if I put them on my yellow VFR it would look like I am riding the Ronald McDonald motorcycle. So, I am selling the whole set for $75. (Normally the set would cost about $150) Please e-mail me if you are interested. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 17:36:40 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: "Westbrook, Richard" , Subject: Re: 95 VFR decals for sale Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:35:56 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 LOL.... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Westbrook, Richard To: 'DC-Cycles' Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 5:20 PM Subject: 95 VFR decals for sale > Last year I ordered a complete set of OEM decals for my 1995 Honda VFR when > I had it painted. What I didn't realize is that all the decals have red trim > on them, and if I put them on my yellow VFR it would look like I am riding > the Ronald McDonald motorcycle. > > So, I am selling the whole set for $75. (Normally the set would cost about > $150) > > Please e-mail me if you are interested. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 18:11:43 1999 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:10:54 EDT Subject: Re: To report or not to report, was Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX << There's like a certain dilemma, where on one hand it's the right thing to do on the other hand it's against your friends wishes and thus may cross a boundary in the friendship.. >> Humm, lets see; a "friend" who commits a crime, and expects you to compromise your values and your ethics, at the expense of a victim, who was innocent, and in the right, and who may have been injured. What dilemma? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 18:26:42 1999 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:26:02 EDT Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? - Oh Yeah! To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone up to a ride to Gorham? Leave Friday - back Sunday Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 19:24:54 1999 From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , Subject: Re: Weekend ride Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:19:32 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Saturday sounds good to me. Be sure to post the details. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:52 PM Subject: Weekend ride > Ok, I will organize a weekend ride if we can all agree on the time/place. > > I am only able to ride on Saturday. I was thinking a 9AM departure from > Manassas (earlier from Arlington where I am) and either the long or shorter > route proposed to me by Greg Sachs. Either one will take us into the > mountains west of town. I have not yet had the chance to go over either of > the routes in detail, but will do so later today. > > This is my first ride, so any advice would be appreciated. I can lead for > a while, but of course I am willing to have others do the same. The pace > will be whatever makes you comfortable, and we will wait for those slower. > I expect initially to have a faster than average pace, but nothing too > intense. > > Please email me if you are going to make it...then I will organize the > details. > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 19:30:22 1999 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: To report or not to report, was Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT ANDRUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:30:16 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 What are you talking about? The friend was the victim. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (61K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Gawthrop@XXXXXX said: << There's like a certain dilemma, where on one hand it's the right thing to do on the other hand it's against your friends wishes and thus may cross a boundary in the friendship.. >> Humm, lets see; a "friend" who commits a crime, and expects you to compromise your values and your ethics, at the expense of a victim, who was innocent, and in the right, and who may have been injured. What dilemma? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 19:33:51 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:42:20 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: Greg Sachs CC: dc-cycles Subject: re: Flapping Bars? Greg wrote: > Which tires did you use? I had pretty serious headshake with my 91 vfr > as my 207's wore down, might be a function of the tire profile and > pressure. Just a thought. And Friday I slab it down to Atlanta, for a > weekend of family followed by monday doing deal's gap and the cherohola, > then coming north monday afternoon or tuesday morning on the Blue Ridge. > Should be back Wednesday, roughly 2000 miles later. > Have a nice weekend. > Greg You're not gonna believe this, but these were the original 202's, which came with my VFR when I got it in February (with 293 miles). I now have Macadams on and haven't tried no handing it yet... Fred and Gil offered similar remarks, thanks you guys. JK (D-mode here...) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 21:06:38 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Road Nasties Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:05:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0966_01BEF586.D636F020 Surface cautions in (at least) Northwest DC, as I'm sure many are = finding. Cable laying, construction, heat, and heavy rains seem to be = ganging up to wart the streets. Bad ones have seen around the 20th and = M area and today I noticed several major cycle swallowers on 19th Street = between M and L (just past Rumors). Obviously a special alert for night = driving. =20 Incidentally, the hazards of recent times don't stop at the road. = Yesterday a scaffold collapsed at the new Ritz construction (22nd/M -- = luckily no injuries). And a few weeks ago there was a serious mens' = room shooting (over a lady, 'tis said) at a 'hood watering hole. En = Guard! Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Don't wish to be Jonah'ed, plugged or dropped Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0966_01BEF586.D636F020

Surface cautions in (at least) = Northwest DC, as I'm=20 sure many are finding.  Cable laying, construction, heat, and heavy = rains=20 seem to be ganging up to wart the streets.  Bad ones have seen = around the=20 20th and M area and today I noticed several major cycle swallowers on = 19th=20 Street between M and L (just past Rumors).  Obviously a special = alert for=20 night driving. 
 
Incidentally, the hazards of recent times don't stop at the = road. =20 Yesterday a scaffold collapsed at the new Ritz construction (22nd/M -- = luckily=20 no injuries).  And a few weeks ago there was a serious mens' room = shooting=20 (over a lady, 'tis said) at a 'hood watering hole.  En = Guard!
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Don't = wish to be=20 Jonah'ed, plugged or dropped
Join the AMA.  Help protect my = riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0966_01BEF586.D636F020-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 21:28:51 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Head bolt tightening Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:27:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_096E_01BEF589.F1296860 A small piece of good luck -- to cancel out the everpresent little dings = of the day. And a headsup. =20 As I walked into Coleman's/FC in full gear a couple of days ago I began = to lift my Shoei visor. Pop, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle. I stopped, visor = flopping at one side, hinge pieces on the floor. Well, whadda you know. = Here I am not only at the dealer from whom it was purchased, but I find = all the unbroken pieces and put it back together at the counter. Loose = screw. As were others on the helmet, with like potential. =20 Just a couple of lifts one way or the other could have resulted in major = pain. Those helmet hinge pieces are not easy to come by, from past = experience. =20 Lesson -- Helmet screws tightened (every 5k or so?). =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Weeeellll, torque my bolts Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_096E_01BEF589.F1296860
A small piece of good luck -- to cancel = out the=20 everpresent little dings of the day.  And a headsup.  =
 
As I walked into Coleman's/FC in full = gear a couple=20 of days ago I began to lift my Shoei visor.  Pop, tinkle, tinkle,=20 tinkle.  I stopped, visor flopping at one side, hinge pieces on the = floor.  Well, whadda you know.  Here I am not only at the = dealer from=20 whom it was purchased, but I find all the unbroken pieces and put it = back=20 together at the counter.  Loose screw.  As were others on the = helmet,=20 with like potential. 
 
Just a couple of lifts = one way or the=20 other could have resulted in major pain.  Those helmet hinge pieces = are not=20 easy to come by, from past experience. 
 
Lesson -- Helmet screws = tightened=20 (every 5k or so?). 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Weeeellll, torque my bolts
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding = fun.
------=_NextPart_000_096E_01BEF589.F1296860-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 22:30:41 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Dream Headline: Gilmore Proposes Motorcycle Training Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:29:12 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0982_01BEF592.94C94000 Re: Post front page article 9/1 "Gilmore Proposes Widening I-66, Adding = Rail Lines." =20 Again, major studies and proposals reported without a mention of = alternative (extra-cage/Metro) transportation solutions seemingly = effective elsewhere, worldwide. Not sure whether it's the studies or = the reporting. Is there not substantive relief in those solutions? =20 One would think that, given the looming area gridlock, all possible = measures would be on the table. I choke, as do many others, when = thinking about the process of interior I-66 widening. On top of other = projects. =20 Can anyone shed light on state-of-the-thinking of the local = paverplanners on those alternative issues? Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Solving gridlock every ride Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0982_01BEF592.94C94000
Re:  Post front = page article 9/1=20 "Gilmore Proposes Widening I-66, Adding Rail Lines." =20
 
    = Again, major=20 studies and proposals reported without a mention of alternative=20 (extra-cage/Metro) transportation solutions seemingly effective = elsewhere,=20 worldwide.  Not sure whether it's the studies or the = reporting.  Is=20 there not substantive relief in those solutions? 
 
    One = would think=20 that, given the looming area gridlock, all possible measures would be on = the=20 table.  I choke, as do many others, when thinking about the process = of=20 interior I-66 widening.  On top of other projects.  =
 
    = Can anyone shed light on state-of-the-thinking of the = local=20 paverplanners on those alternative issues?
 
Bill S. / DC=20
99 VN750 --> Solving gridlock every ride
Join the AMA.  = Help=20 protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0982_01BEF592.94C94000-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 23:42:58 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:42:37 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:95 VFR decals for sale On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:20:49 -0400 "Westbrook, Richard" wrote: >Last year I ordered a complete set of OEM decals for my 1995 Honda VFR when >I had it painted. What I didn't realize is that all the decals have red trim >on them, and if I put them on my yellow VFR it would look like I am riding >the Ronald McDonald motorcycle. You want fries w/that? ;-) Why not just take an Xacto knife and trime the edges? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 23:53:51 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:53:30 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Just a suggestion,why not pass around a description of the Toyota to the other sluggers and see if anyone recognises it? Also,isn't there a registry or summat at the Pentagon for slug drivers? Maybe they can supply info to find the scumbag. >"Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Odd,I don't recognise your name. Do you work w/Harwood and Stoddard? I'm in the Readiness Center(Customer Support Center,NSMC,whatever we're calling ourselves this week)on Mids,right around the corner. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 00:06:20 1999 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:05:32 EDT Subject: Calling Brian To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey Brian, had some questions on the RS and lost your email addy...contact me, if you would. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 00:21:16 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: No replacement for Collin... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:19:18 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 But seeing as how he's on digest now, and unable to respond when the need arises for a swift conversion: http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/~science/Conversion.html ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 06:53:34 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: No replacement for Collin... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:53:28 -0700 FDL.. hey Collin, you can even try to compair fruit! I know you've always wanted to do that! lol! > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > But seeing as how he's on digest now, and unable to respond > when the need > arises for a swift conversion: > > http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/~science/Conversion.html > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 07:51:04 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: Dream Headline: Gilmore Proposes Motorcycle Training To: Dc Cycles Actually, all the coverage I've seen of the Gilmore proposal has mentioned that includes Metro extension into Tyson's and express bus service, with the possibility of rail to follow, out to Dulles. Along with Gilmore to Arlington residents regarding 66: "Drop Dead." For those of you who "reverse commute" (as if it was any easier than regular commuting!) to Dulles... I discovered that they've dramatically improved the Fairfax Connector service, with tons of Herndon/Reston buses from the West Falls Church Metro. And dropped the price. It's actually a reasonable alternative now, which it wasn't a few years ago. I was sans vehicle for a day and used it to get to to work -- and it was fast and easy. Imagine that. They seem to have kept it a big secret, though. --- mobacc wrote: > Re: Post front page article 9/1 "Gilmore Proposes > Widening I-66, Adding Rail Lines." > > Again, major studies and proposals reported > without a mention of alternative (extra-cage/Metro) > transportation solutions seemingly effective > elsewhere, worldwide. Not sure whether it's the > studies or the reporting. Is there not substantive > relief in those solutions? > > One would think that, given the looming area > gridlock, all possible measures would be on the > table. I choke, as do many others, when thinking > about the process of interior I-66 widening. On top > of other projects. > > Can anyone shed light on state-of-the-thinking > of the local paverplanners on those alternative > issues? > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> Solving gridlock every ride > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 08:21:27 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 05:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: Dream Headline: Gilmore Proposes Motorcycle Training To: Dc Cycles Okay, this is what I get for reading my mail BEFORE getting coffee. I read "extra-cage/Metro" as something totally different. As Emily Litella used to say, "Never Mind!" You may all point and laugh now. John, heading back to the coffee machine. --- John Whiteside wrote: [something that makes it clear he misread the message he was replying to. Oops.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 09:30:57 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: Dc Cycles Subject: RE: Head bolt tightening Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:15:28 -0400 Organization: NCEA I had the same problem on my RF-700, only at 65mph on rt. 66. Visor ended up hanging by one screw. Needless to say I didn't stop to look for the missing pieces :) Coleman'$ had a spare parts kit for $5.99 which worked perfectly; cheaper than new helmet. They say it fits all RF-700, 800 and Rx-8 helmets. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: mobacc [SMTP:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:27 PM To: Dc Cycles Subject: Head bolt tightening A small piece of good luck -- to cancel out the everpresent little dings of the day. And a headsup. As I walked into Coleman's/FC in full gear a couple of days ago I began to lift my Shoei visor. Pop, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle. I stopped, visor flopping at one side, hinge pieces on the floor. Well, whadda you know. Here I am not only at the dealer from whom it was purchased, but I find all the unbroken pieces and put it back together at the counter. Loose screw. As were others on the helmet, with like potential. Just a couple of lifts one way or the other could have resulted in major pain. Those helmet hinge pieces are not easy to come by, from past experience. Lesson -- Helmet screws tightened (every 5k or so?). Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Weeeellll, torque my bolts Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. << File: ATT00001.htm >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 09:58:23 1999 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:57:56 EDT Subject: Re: No replacement for Collin... To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/3/1999 12:27:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << But seeing as how he's on digest now, and unable to respond when the need arises for a swift conversion: http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/~science/Conversion.html ---------------------------------------- -George Howell >> I've got that beat. I downloaded two different softwares for this purpose. One's called Win Convert and the other is U-Convert-It. Both work great but, nothing can replace Collin. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 09:57:43 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:55:08 -0400 Subject: Saturday Ride Plans To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It looks like we may have 5-8 riders for Saturday. There will be two meeting places: 1. 8:00-8:15 AM: Whitey's in Arlington 2. 8:45-9:00 AM Bob Evans restaurant in Manassas. Its right off of 66 at the Sudley Rd/234 exit. We will be leaving Manassas at 9AM sharp. The ride will be pretty long and spirited. I am still working on the details, but it will be 211 to New Market, down to Harrissonburg, then over into WVa via 33. We make take a different route back. My cell phone is 703-626-1221. Call or email with any question. Hope you can make it. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 10:28:40 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Head bolt tightening Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:28:28 -0700 Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And they come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet for awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think I'll stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I was doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you with after the fact). dang.. *shaking head* Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > > I had the same problem on my RF-700, only at 65mph on rt. 66. > Visor ended > up hanging by one screw. Needless to say I didn't stop to > look for the > missing pieces :) Coleman'$ had a spare parts kit for $5.99 > which worked > perfectly; cheaper than new helmet. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mobacc [SMTP:mobacc@XXXXXX] > > As I walked into Coleman's/FC in full gear a couple of days > ago I began to > lift my Shoei visor. Pop, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle. I stopped, visor > flopping at one side, hinge pieces on the floor. Well, > whadda you know. > Here I am not only at the dealer from whom it was purchased, > but I find > all the unbroken pieces and put it back together at the > counter. Loose > screw. As were others on the helmet, with like potential. > > Just a couple of lifts one way or the other could have > resulted in major > pain. Those helmet hinge pieces are not easy to come by, from past > experience. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 10:46:22 1999 From: Genna Melamed To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Plans Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:43:30 -0400 Can I get directions to closest meeting point from Baltimore? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:41 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Ride Plans It looks like we may have 5-8 riders for Saturday. There will be two meeting places: 1. 8:00-8:15 AM: Whitey's in Arlington 2. 8:45-9:00 AM Bob Evans restaurant in Manassas. Its right off of 66 at the Sudley Rd/234 exit. We will be leaving Manassas at 9AM sharp. The ride will be pretty long and spirited. I am still working on the details, but it will be 211 to New Market, down to Harrissonburg, then over into WVa via 33. We make take a different route back. My cell phone is 703-626-1221. Call or email with any question. Hope you can make it. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 10:52:11 1999 From: Grant Heffernan Reply-To: granth@XXXXXX Organization: SCO To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Plans Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:48:31 -0400 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll meet up in Manassas for the 9am departure. On Fri, 03 Sep 1999, you wrote: >It looks like we may have 5-8 riders for Saturday. > >There will be two meeting places: > >1. 8:00-8:15 AM: Whitey's in Arlington >2. 8:45-9:00 AM Bob Evans restaurant in Manassas. Its right off of 66 at >the Sudley Rd/234 exit. > >We will be leaving Manassas at 9AM sharp. The ride will be pretty long and >spirited. I am still working on the details, but it will be 211 to New >Market, down to Harrissonburg, then over into WVa via 33. We make take a >different route back. > >My cell phone is 703-626-1221. Call or email with any question. > >Hope you can make it. > >Mark >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. -- ************************* Grant M. Heffernan Systems Engineer, SCO 2100 Reston Parkway Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703)715-8721 granth@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 10:53:08 1999 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:52:03 EDT Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Shoie's are excellent helmets, but cheap? They're right up there with Arai's as far as I've seen. The ratcheting mechanism for the shield has three screws on each side. I have had no problems with mine and it came with three spare screws. I don't know of any full face helmets that don't have screws in the faceplate mechanism. All of them have the possibility of loosening up and coming out simply from all of the opening and closing of the visor. Is this the start of a new thread? Just my .02. Take it at face value. Scooter In a message dated 9/3/1999 10:43:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And they come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet for awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think I'll stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I was doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you with after the fact). dang.. *shaking head* Brian McCoy >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 11:53:05 1999 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:51:37 EDT Subject: Re: SHOEI Helmets...(the i is after the e) WAS Re: Head bolt tightening To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think this was meant for the list. And, I thought Brian's spelling of Shoei looked wrong but, I didn't have my helmet here to check. :-) Scooter In a message dated 9/3/1999 11:46:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: << Arai makes some sweet helmets, but I think Shoei is a high quality company and also make some damn nice stuff. Either company's helmets rule, and it's a matter of what fits on your head. Along with a new bike, my insurance company told me "go buy a helmet and send us the receipt". While I could rape them on this and buy a $500+ Arai RX7RR3 and laugh my ass to the bank, I'm probably gonna get an RF-800. Arai's are narrow in the cheek area on me, and while they have some sweet features, the RF-800 has the same DOT and Snell certifications, is *almost* as nice, and fits my head like a glove. Every company has a couple lemons here and there (even Honda), and 99.9% of the people that have owned/tested/crashed with a Shoei on their head have been happy with it's performance. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening > Shoie's are excellent helmets, but cheap? They're right up there with Arai's > as far as I've seen. The ratcheting mechanism for the shield has three > screws on each side. I have had no problems with mine and it came with three > spare screws. I don't know of any full face helmets that don't have screws > in the faceplate mechanism. All of them have the possibility of loosening up > and coming out simply from all of the opening and closing of the visor. > > Is this the start of a new thread? > > Just my .02. Take it at face value. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 9/3/1999 10:43:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > > << Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And > they > come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet for > awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think I'll > stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I was > doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you with > after the fact). > > dang.. *shaking head* > > Brian McCoy >> >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 13:30:35 1999 From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Dirt Bike Rental Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:27:11 -0400 Does anyone know of a place that rents dirt bikes in this area? (or at least within a days drive) Richard From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 14:13:57 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 14:10:25 -0400 Subject: Any Rides Sunday or Monday? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Anyone planning rides on Sunday or Monday? Chris VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 14:22:56 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:22:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Any Rides Sunday or Monday? On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone planning rides on Sunday or Monday? I'll be hitting the dirt on monday. Bring the VTR out and have some fun! :) Ok, maybe that wouldn't work too well... Anyone else with a dirt bike is welcome though. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 15:01:51 1999 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:02:45 -0400 Subject: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer I'm not on dc-cycles any more, but I thought this message was well worth forwarding to the list. The message is very important, and I don't recall seeing it addressed on dc-cycles before. This is from another list I subscribe to.. the author was in a bad motorcycle accident in which he broke both legs, and was very badly injured. He totalled a Jeep Cherokee and I'd imagine his bike as well.. the accident was his fault. Anyhow, he's just assessed his insurance coverage after learning that the Jeep driver has retained a lawyer.. after reading this I checked my insurance coverage on my bike.. to go from 50/100/25 to 100/300/50 cost $16.60 per year. Needless to say, I made this change immediately. Read on... Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: David C Lawrence To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:26 AM Subject: Looking for a Lawyer > It appears my first attempt to send this to the east list did not > succeed, probably because my default email address is not what I am > subscribed here as. I am sorry if this ends up being a duplicate. > > 2 Sep 1999 > > Does anyone know a very good lawyer? Or better yet, a lawyer referral > service you really trust? > > My insurance case manager has informed us that the lady who was > driving the Jeep has retained a lawyer. At first the implications of > this were not apparent to me (maybe it is my drugs, maybe I am just a > big idiot) but my wife's irateness has made it quite clear. While it > is possible that the driver and her husband are just trying to protect > their own "reasonable" interests it could be that they intend to go > after a big monetary judgement. > > While it is true that our insurance company will represent us in any > suit stemming from this accident, their interest is in themselves and > in any event their is a cap on the amount they would have to pay. If > a judgement is rendered in excess of that depressingly low cap > ($60,000) then the rest will have to come out of our pocket. We > really need someone to be directly representing our interests. I am > pretty sure that any suit would be in a New York court because the > accident was there and the plaintiff lives there, so I would need a New > York attorney. > > In any event, I just think I am getting to the stage in my life where > I should be able to say, "I'll have my lawyer look into it." I should > probably be looking for a Vermont lawyer too. > > While I've got your attention, I want to again preach about the > importance of adequate insurance coverage. Right now my wife would > not be quite so (understandably) angry and resentful at me about the > possible ramifications of my having insufficient coverage and then > being involved in this accident. I don't really blame her, and I feel > very sad and anxious right now. I have never been sad or upset about > my personal injuries throughout this whole period, but I am so > depressed now about this other pile of shit I have dumped on our > little family. The stress on our relationship is extreme. > > The financial difference for peace of mind is minimal. It chokes me > up when I think about how little money it would have taken to make > this picture look a whole lot different. Today I asked my insurance > agent to run some quotes for me and the results were distressing to > hear. I was paying $125 annually for my motorcycle for the Vermont > state minimum of $60,000 of liability coverage. For a mere _six_ > dollars more that coverage could have been raised to $100,000, and for > an additional 44 dollars ($175 total) I could have had $300,000 of > liability coverage. > > I would have _gladly_ paid those amounts, when I originally bought the > policy, if only I had thought to ask what the cost was and not had the > silly, stupid, ridiculous notion that I could not cause all that much > damage with my motorcycle. Well, heck, even though my motorcycle did > go up against an SUV, supposedly the "winners" in typical accidents > with smaller vehicles, the Jeep was still totalled and the driver had > a back injury. Now think .... what if you were involved in an > accident with a small car, another motorcycle, a bicycle or heaven > forbid a pedestrian? Do you think your coverage is enough? Why > didn't _I_ think of those scenarios before? I could kick myself from > here to the moon. > > While I had my agent on the phone I also asked about our auto > insurance, which at $300,000 liability I thought was already at the > maximum. Not so --- $500,000 is the maximum, which I need to carry > before I can get an umbrella liability policy for one million > dollars. The difference? Just $70 more for both vehicles. Without > hesitation I said, "Do it and send me the bill." It is a no-brainer. > If you are not living on the edge of your income or even if you are > but can give up a hundred dollar luxury per year, then I urge you to > raise your coverage. Let my experience be a lesson to you, and don > like me, having to learn these lessons the hard way. > > All of this is overshadowing what should otherwise be a pretty happy > time for me right now, a milestone. Yesterday I had my first home > visit, where my physical therapists evaluated how well I would be able > to manage at home. Though there were a couple of tricky spots, and it > was hot as hell to make me drip with sweat (typical Vermont house with > no air-conditioning, and a 92 degree day), I was able to handle all my > tasks --- and have a nice visit with my cats. The current plan > is that I will be able to go home for good next Tuesday afternoon. > > Thanks for listening. > > David From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 15:33:03 1999 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:27:56 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening I seem to recollect the visor mounts for an Arai go for about $10/15. They may not come loose, but when one get's spit out of a race boat at 65+ MPH, the visor blows off from the water bucketing in the helmet. Cost more to fix the helmet than it did to dry out and redo the engine. Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And they > come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet for > awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think I'll > stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I was > doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you with > after the fact). > > dang.. *shaking head* > > Brian McCoy > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 15:44:38 1999 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:38:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SHOEI Helmets...(the i is after the e) WAS Re: Head bolt tightening Add me to the Shoei crash test group. A left turner got me and I went flying over his car and hit head first. I heard the fibreglass/kevlar shell crunching when I hit. The Shoei is toast - done - on my shelf as a tattered testiment that helmets work. I bought a new one just like it. Bill > Every company has a couple lemons here and there (even Honda), and 99.9% of > the people that have owned/tested/crashed with a Shoei on their head have > been happy with it's performance. > > Kirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening > > > > Shoie's are excellent helmets, but cheap? They're right up there with > Arai's > > as far as I've seen. The ratcheting mechanism for the shield has three > > screws on each side. I have had no problems with mine and it came with > three > > spare screws. I don't know of any full face helmets that don't have > screws > > in the faceplate mechanism. All of them have the possibility of loosening > up > > and coming out simply from all of the opening and closing of the visor. > > > > Is this the start of a new thread? > > > > Just my .02. Take it at face value. > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated 9/3/1999 10:43:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > > > > << Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And > > they > > come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet > for > > > awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think > I'll > > stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I > was > > doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you > with > > after the fact). > > > > dang.. *shaking head* > > > > Brian McCoy >> > >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 16:00:17 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:58:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening On Fri, 03 Sep Bill Huson wrote: >...but when one get's spit out of a race boat at 65+ MPH, the visor > blows off from the water bucketing in the helmet. Cost more to fix the helmet > than it did to dry out and redo the engine. Race Boats? Hey there bill, I think you got your lists mixed up.... -John N From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 16:02:35 1999 From: Michael Jay To: Dc Cycles Subject: bike cover question Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:09:04 -0400 Hi folks, Does anyone know of a store where I can get a cheap bike cover--like the sub 10$ range in the Dennis Kirk catalog? I need to get the cover this weekend to park my bike away from home for a few days so I need a local store. I work in Herdon and live in Falls Church, but I avoid any bike shop that insists on collecting my personal information for their mailing list when I am paying cash. Heck, I would even go to Target for a generic cover that works for bikes if it is in stock. Thanks, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 16:38:10 1999 From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: traffic alert Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:31:23 -0400 According to the Washington Post, I95 bewteen DC and Baltimore is totally scrod. Major accident in the Northbound lanes near Rt. 100 at 3:00pm has those lanes shut down until about 5:00 pm; Southbound is just really slow (8 mile backup, I think it said). Two medivac helicopters. This happened right before the end of the Ravens' football games and before the O's baseball game, so it probably got worse, quickly. Maybe a good day to take in a matinee before heading home... -Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 17:19:08 1999 Reply-To: "Mr. Bill" From: "Mr. Bill" To: Cc: "Baltimore Motorcyclists" , "DC Motorcyclists" Subject: Re: STOLEN 48 PAN Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:44:02 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: TINATRIP@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:18 PM Subject: STOLEN 48 PAN > SOMEONE STOLE MY HUSBANDS 48 PANHEAD FROM OUR HOME ON > SEPTEMBER 1, 1999 > > HOW DO I SPREAD THIS AROUND? > > MAYBE SOMEONE HAS SEEN HER? > > TINATRIP@XXXXXX Let us know what the bike looks like, the tag number, where it was stolen from. Post this to the Baltimore and DC cycles lists (Cc:'d in the distribution. Good luck finding y'alls ride. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 23:15:24 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: crash testing helmets was head bolt tightening... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Having crash tested several helmets this year, I can personally vouch for the Shoei RF-700 and the Bell Legacy and Bell Star1. The Shoei took a hard side impact at 70ish grinding deep into the fiberglass/kevlar leaving me with a mild concussion for a few days. The day before I lowsided my 750 in turn 4 at 130+ and somehow did not get a single scratch on the helmet..not one!! (but I didn't tumble more than two rotations either...just a nice looooong slide) The Legacy model took a very hard head first impact in my highside at nelson ledges. Busted off the top venting cover, super deep gouges in the kevlar along the left forehead area and left chin area, and split the visor. I have a stiff neck from it, but I don't think any helmet would protect against that. The Star1 was on my head in the most recent turn 4 lowside (130+mph) somehow I managed to keep my head mostly off the ground... some very light scratches here and there from when I finally made it to the dirt and started tumbling. no injuries. Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 4 01:46:23 1999 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: jmikut@XXXXXX Subject: bike for sale May be of interest: good 1-person touring bike. --garcia =================================================== FOR SALE Motorcycle, Honda 500 '82 Silver Wing, 11K miles, 2nd owner, many extras. Perfect Condition. Leaving the country, can't take it with me, $1100 obo. Sergio 232-8037. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 4 09:14:54 1999 X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:11:33 -0400 To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer At 03:02 PM 9/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >I'm not on dc-cycles any more, but I thought this message was >well worth forwarding to the list. The message is very important, >and I don't recall seeing it addressed on dc-cycles before. This is >from another list I subscribe to.. the author was in a bad >motorcycle accident in which he broke both legs, and was very >badly injured. He totalled a Jeep Cherokee and I'd imagine his bike >as well.. the accident was his fault. Anita... I was at the ride after which Dave wrecked... and yes, he 100% totaled his bike, a CBR1000F. It was run over by the Jeep, and was said to have looked like it had been hit by a canon ball. Dave is one of the best riders I've ever known. He tended towards fast, but was extremely careful. He had lots and lots of thousands of miles in the saddle. This particular wreck happened after a long day, returning from a weekend ride in North Carolina. He was on backroads in unfamiliar territory and it had started lightly raining. He came around a turn and saw the jeep. He was in his lane, but felt he was farther out than he wanted to be, put a bit more lean into the bike and just lost traction. A LEO later said something like "You're the fourth person this month who's lost it on this curve." I think I've saved all of the cronicles of this, if anyone is really interested in the rest of the story from Dave. Its one of those things where, yes, the accident was his fault, but, where he was doing just about everything right and still wadded his bike and caused the driver of the jeep to panic, run off the road and total her SUV into a tree. Anyhow, yes, take Dave's advice, check your insurance. The bunch of extra coverage is probably worth the little extra bit you'll pay. Even if you're a good rider, you will go down. -- "We've met the Enemy and He is Us." Walt Kelly From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 08:08:16 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 07:56:08 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Looking for a cheap mini-bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 All- I used to own a 76' Z50, and was wondering if anyone out there had a Z collecting dust that they might want to sell. I would take any year back through 68 so long as it was running, but I'm looking for a pit bike more than a collectors item or restoration project. My Dad bought the 76' in 1982 for $175, which seemed like big bucks to me, especially compared to the $65 he spent for my first bike, a Rupp Sportster (?). Anyway I am looking for something that costs a couple hundred, nothing fancy. Thanks. (If anyone has a Rupp thats even better!) Jonathan Broga SV650 PS. If it has old tires thats okay, I could use some practice sliding . . . From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 11:25:51 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:22:56 -0400 Subject: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Ride/Crash Report THE RIDE: As you know, I had planned a Saturday ride to Seneca Rocks. The weathe= r did concern me, but radar reports Friday night looked like the real rai= n wouldn?t arrive until Sunday (as I write this Saturday at 5, its pourin= g outside). I turned the TV on at 7 this morning and was happy to hear = the weatherman say that the weather towards the west would be fine. Genna = from Baltimore called me to see if the ride was still on. Perhaps the call= should have made me hesitate. Herb ____ met me at Whitey?s, then an uneventful ride to Manassas. Muc= h to my (pleasant) surprise, there were at least seven more bikes when we arrived at Bob Evans. The ride started down 66 to Route 55. We lost a= few riders along the way, and waited for them to catch up near the Plains. Following another miscommunication in Marshall, Randy Moran and his wif= e split off. Arriving in Sperryville, we again came across Randy. His w= ife had decided to sit this ride out. The weather was questionable. At times a fine, misty rain, at times, seemingly clear. The road appeared to be dry?.it wasn?t. After passing Cooter?s store we began to climb the famous Route 211. I= was riding in the middle, with Randy behind me. Randy had alerted us to th= e first sharp turn, where earlier this year, another DC Cycle rider (Jonathan?) had crashed. I was riding well, finally able to ignore the rider in front of me and concentrate on my own groove. As we approached the first turn, I brake= d hard since my speed was too high. The corner WAS tight, but I took it without any problems. I remember congratulating myself on taking the corner faster and more leaned over than I usually do. As anyone who has ridden 211 knows, the next turn is never far away. = I immediately found myself in an fairly sharp right-hander. I was in the= far right lane of a three-lane (2 lanes going up, one down) decreasing radi= us turn. What happened next is still very unclear. What I do remember is that w= hile leaned far over, the rear tire started slipping and sliding out. I do = not usually (ever) slide the rear tire so this was a totally foreign (and scary) experience. For a split second, I panicked. I unwisely decided= to grab the front brake, in hopes the bike would stand up a bit and stop sliding. Well, this was probably not the right thing to do. As soon a= s the brakes engaged, I began to drift over into the next lane. Instead = of stabilizing, I was headed straight for the opposite guard rail. Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really grabb= ed the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out completely. T= he bike lowsided and hit the pavement in the first third of the far left (oncoming) lane. My body (right leg) hit the pavement with the VFR on= top of me. We slid a short distance across the pavement, until the bike separated from me and hit the guardrail. I came to rest on my back, in= the left median. The group immediately stopped, which created even more danger as cars c= ame careening around the corner. I grabbed my leg and felt it over for bro= ken bones. My knee and ankle hurt, but I realized that nothing was broken.= To make a long story short, the bike was pushed from under the guardrail a= nd started. As I sat there, some shock set in, but I realized how lucky I= was. If a car had been coming in the opposite direction, I would be de= ad or paralyzed?period. As we were about to get out of there, a fire truck showed up. Followin= g a brief consultation, the ambulance was cancelled. Unfortunately, the po= lice then arrived and proceeded to write me a ticket for RECKLESS DRIVING. = What crap. I will be going to court in hopes of having it reduced, but wit= h 6 points of my license (speeding in a cage) I am not hopeful of getting i= t dismissed. The state trooper explained that he was writing me a ticket= since they see a lot of fatal motorcycle accidents on the same turn. S= o, I am paying the price for the past sins of squids. THE BIKE: Its going to be a long winter of repair and saving money to buy parts. = The slide actually only caused minor damage?a trashed right upper and lower= fairing, bent brake pedal and dented tank. The crash into the guard ra= il was a killer?the entire front end plastic/headlights/windscreen is smas= hed, and the right side fairings are broken. Hopefully, the front forks are= not bent, I am not sure yet. I estimate it will take at least $1,500 to re= pair the bike, and at least a few months. SAFETY EQUIPMENT: Don?t ride in jeans. If I had been wearing jeans, I would be in the hospital with a serious knee injury. I was wearing Prexport touring bo= ots, which are hardly scratched. My legs were protected by Motoport Canyon pants. These are armoured in the knees and thighs. I hit right on the= armored knee. ARMOR ROCKS!! My upper body was protected by a Vanson jacket and Shoei RF-800 helmet, both of which are a bit scratched. I h= ad just purchased new gloves?Honda racing gloves made by Hein Geirke. The= y appreared to be poor man?s Helds?well padded, with plastic studs. The gloves worked wonderfully, with a few of the studs ripped out but my ha= nds are fine. LESSONS LEARNED: #1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, #2, don?t let riding i= n a group increase one?s speed/risk taking (that is 100% my fault), #3 is = that I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my spor= t riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in corners= . My braking was a result of panic and inexperience with sliding. I had planned to purchase a race-bike this winter but that is on hold. = For one, the money is no longer there. I am not sure my confidence is ther= e either. I would like to thank everyone who was on the ride. Randy and Herb wer= e especially helpful, with offers of a ride home and an escort back to DC= once I had decided to ride back. I have another motorcycle, so my ridi= ng won?t stop?but the VFR will be back!!! Mark PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity t= o which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, o= r taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you rece= ived this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from = any computer. = From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 13:02:34 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 12:57:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Mark Glad to hear you survived with no serious injury. Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane positioning is a advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders have different performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit another person's ride. In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over thier head and uncomfortable. Bill mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > LESSONS LEARNED: > > #1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, #2, don?t let riding in a > group increase one?s speed/risk taking (that is 100% my fault), #3 is that > I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my sport > riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in corners. > My braking was a result of panic and inexperience with sliding. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 13:03:00 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11549 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990905170248.24164.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.104] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:02:48 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry to hear about the bike, and the accident, glad you're okay. As far as I know, or well atleast what i've seen in maryland, a ticket for reckless driving where a person hit a guard rail and the trooper happens to come along the scene after the accident, the officer did not witness the actual crash and so the ticket was thrown out. If I were you I'd tell the judge I was on a group ride with a motorcycle association (called The DC area riders). and there was a very fine mist of rain on the road, but it looked dry. I grabed the front brake to slow down for a turn but i was already leaning and my front wheel lost traction, so it was an error but it wasn't driving recklessly. If you happened to tell the officer "I was going too fast" he may have made a note of it, and that may be an "admittance of guilt". The first thing I'd ask is "Can I get the case dismissed since the officer didn't witness it?" before telling what happened, as telling what happened might be an admittance of guilt, but my guess is, if they dont' dismiss it first, telling ti that way, might get you off. Especially if you bring just 1 witness. I've seen a judge take the word of 2 people over 1 cop, when one person was a witness, one was the defendant. How much is the ticket? maybe a few people who witnessed it from the list, might mail you a signed statement saying the above. You might also mention something like "Further evidence that I wasn't driving reckless is that I wasn't injured, and all the damage to the bike was cosmetic.. very expensive, but cosmetic. Maybe he'll cut you a break. He might be sympathetic and let your bike damages be your punishment.. since the cop didn't witness it, he might use that to justify letting you go.. and he probably realises you weren't being squidly and also understanding that light fine misty rain can be decieving. You might luck out, and he might be a motorcyclist... who's probably slid before. I know if i were a judge, and you told me the above, i'd dismiss the charges.. my rear will was sliding saturday when it was raining. luckily all my bike riding as a kid, gave me familiarity with wet riding.. i tend to use my rear brake more (than my front) in the rain. After reading what happened to you, I think i'll avoid riding in the rain all together, I mean if the weather is questionable, I won't ride more than 5 or 10 min away from home. I was kind of confident to ride in the rain, however i'm glad I turned around and went home on saturday. Thanks for sharing your accident story with us. I hope my ideas will help, or atleast give you a little comfort in knowing it's possible to beat your ticket. Good luck and let us know how it goes. Daniel 91 ex250 --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Ride/Crash Report > > THE RIDE: > > As you know, I had planned a Saturday ride to Seneca Rocks. The > weather > did concern me, but radar reports Friday night looked like the real > rain > wouldn?t arrive until Sunday (as I write this Saturday at 5, its > pouring > outside). I turned the TV on at 7 this morning and was happy to > hear the > weatherman say that the weather towards the west would be fine. > Genna from > Baltimore called me to see if the ride was still on. Perhaps the > call > should have made me hesitate. > > Herb ____ met me at Whitey?s, then an uneventful ride to Manassas. > Much to > my (pleasant) surprise, there were at least seven more bikes when > we > arrived at Bob Evans. The ride started down 66 to Route 55. We > lost a few > riders along the way, and waited for them to catch up near the > Plains. > Following another miscommunication in Marshall, Randy Moran and his > wife > split off. Arriving in Sperryville, we again came across Randy. > His wife > had decided to sit this ride out. > > The weather was questionable. At times a fine, misty rain, at > times, > seemingly clear. The road appeared to be dry?.it wasn?t. > > After passing Cooter?s store we began to climb the famous Route > 211. I was > riding in the middle, with Randy behind me. Randy had alerted us > to the > first sharp turn, where earlier this year, another DC Cycle rider > (Jonathan?) had crashed. > > I was riding well, finally able to ignore the rider in front of me > and > concentrate on my own groove. As we approached the first turn, I > braked > hard since my speed was too high. The corner WAS tight, but I took > it > without any problems. I remember congratulating myself on taking > the > corner faster and more leaned over than I usually do. > > As anyone who has ridden 211 knows, the next turn is never far > away. I > immediately found myself in an fairly sharp right-hander. I was in > the far > right lane of a three-lane (2 lanes going up, one down) decreasing > radius > turn. > > What happened next is still very unclear. What I do remember is > that while > leaned far over, the rear tire started slipping and sliding out. I > do not > usually (ever) slide the rear tire so this was a totally foreign > (and > scary) experience. For a split second, I panicked. I unwisely > decided to > grab the front brake, in hopes the bike would stand up a bit and > stop > sliding. Well, this was probably not the right thing to do. As > soon as > the brakes engaged, I began to drift over into the next lane. > Instead of > stabilizing, I was headed straight for the opposite guard rail. > > Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really > grabbed > the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out > completely. The > bike lowsided and hit the pavement in the first third of the far > left > (oncoming) lane. My body (right leg) hit the pavement with the > VFR on top > of me. We slid a short distance across the pavement, until the > bike > separated from me and hit the guardrail. I came to rest on my > back, in the > left median. > > The group immediately stopped, which created even more danger as > cars came > careening around the corner. I grabbed my leg and felt it over for > broken > bones. My knee and ankle hurt, but I realized that nothing was > broken. To > make a long story short, the bike was pushed from under the > guardrail and > started. As I sat there, some shock set in, but I realized how > lucky I > was. If a car had been coming in the opposite direction, I would > be dead > or paralyzed?period. > > As we were about to get out of there, a fire truck showed up. > Following a > brief consultation, the ambulance was cancelled. Unfortunately, > the police > then arrived and proceeded to write me a ticket for RECKLESS > DRIVING. What > crap. I will be going to court in hopes of having it reduced, but > with 6 > points of my license (speeding in a cage) I am not hopeful of > getting it > dismissed. The state trooper explained that he was writing me a > ticket > since they see a lot of fatal motorcycle accidents on the same > turn. So, I > am paying the price for the past sins of squids. > > > THE BIKE: > > Its going to be a long winter of repair and saving money to buy > parts. The > slide actually only caused minor damage?a trashed right upper and > lower > fairing, bent brake pedal and dented tank. The crash into the > guard rail > was a killer?the entire front end plastic/headlights/windscreen is > smashed, > and the right side fairings are broken. Hopefully, the front forks > are not > bent, I am not sure yet. I estimate it will take at least $1,500 > to repair > the bike, and at least a few months. > > SAFETY EQUIPMENT: > > Don?t ride in jeans. If I had been wearing jeans, I would be in > the > hospital with a serious knee injury. I was wearing Prexport > touring boots, > which are hardly scratched. My legs were protected by Motoport > Canyon > pants. These are armoured in the knees and thighs. I hit right on > the > armored knee. ARMOR ROCKS!! My upper body was protected by a > Vanson > jacket and Shoei RF-800 helmet, both of which are a bit scratched. > I had > just purchased new gloves?Honda racing gloves made by Hein Geirke. > They > appreared to be poor man?s Helds?well padded, with plastic studs. > The > gloves worked wonderfully, with a few of the studs ripped out but > my hands > are fine. > > LESSONS LEARNED: > > #1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, #2, don?t let > riding in a > group increase one?s speed/risk taking (that is 100% my fault), #3 > is that > I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my > sport > riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in > corners. > My braking was a result of panic and inexperience with sliding. > > I had planned to purchase a race-bike this winter but that is on > hold. For > one, the money is no longer there. I am not sure my confidence is > there > either. > > I would like to thank everyone who was on the ride. Randy and Herb > were > especially helpful, with offers of a ride home and an escort back > to DC > once I had decided to ride back. I have another motorcycle, so my > riding > won?t stop?but the VFR will be back!!! > > Mark > > PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 14:06:50 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12575 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:06:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:06:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sorry to hear of the accident MArk.. but glad that you weren't hurt, and the bike isn't totaled. @ years ago I watched a fellow lister go down in that very vorner.. he was following someone on an FJ1100 (they doesn't exactly have tons of clearance before dragging hard bits) - the FJ touched something and slid-out - the lister locked up the rear brake and slide off aswell... I've also seen a dozen other accidents in that very corner through the years of riding there... it's a corner that gets a lot of people, even in the dry. Anyway - if you're curious, you shouldn't have touched the brakes at all. If anything, you should have just leaned the bike in a little more with constant throttle. Most tires today are good enough in the rain to reach close to max lean before giving out completely. But the situation varys each time, and requires different adjustment. To get some confidence back, I can see two very clear options - but a small dirt-bike for a couple hundred dollars and get on the dirt.. slide it all over the place, crash, and find yourself getting comfortable with a bike loose beneath you. Spend $2k on a racebike and gear and get yourself on a track.. if you want to lean further, then this is the best way to do it. Hell, spend $600 and enroll yourself in an on-track training school using one of their bikes.. that'll do tons as-well (I remember all the heaps of confidence I had after my first day on the track going back to the street.. what an awesome feeling - now I'm just scared when getting on a street-bike). Well, I'd offer to help you with your bike, but I'll be gone from the area in 4 weeks.. I hope it looks worse than it actually is. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 14:12:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12652 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Sun, 5 Sep 99 18:12:20 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa005kU; Sun, 05 Sep 99 18:12:14 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:12:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'Bill Huson'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:12:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Bill, That only really has an effect on riding in a group while in non-technical places - like city streets, highways, straights, etc... as soon as you get into the corners, it becomes single-file. Riding with a group is a WONDERFUL way to see others ride and learn from those with more ability by watching their bodyplacement, bike positioning, braking, and any of a dozen other things. Plus, if something DOES happen, you have someone there who's going to be able to help, and understands the situation probably a bit better than your average cager. But, to each their own. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane > positioning is a > advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the > advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders > have different > performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit > another person's ride. > In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over > thier head and > uncomfortable. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 14:47:38 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13224 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-114.patriot.net [209.249.180.114]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25117; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2B996.244C4654@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:42:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BUT... single file, which is the usual style when on the twisties, doesn't solve the problem of a rider who is past the edge of his/her skill but feels a *need* to keep up. In a perfect world the aforementioned rider would bail out and meet the group at the next fuel/rest stop, but the desire to not look like a weenie usually overrules. I do ride with groups - like groups of a few with a commen destination and similer riding styles. Read slow and steady style. After all, an FLH isn't exactly set up for screaming around the twisties :-) Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Bill, > > That only really has an effect on riding in a group while in > non-technical places - like city streets, highways, straights, etc... as > soon as you get into the corners, it becomes single-file. Riding with a > group is a WONDERFUL way to see others ride and learn from those with more > ability by watching their bodyplacement, bike positioning, braking, and any > of a dozen other things. Plus, if something DOES happen, you have someone > there who's going to be able to help, and understands the situation probably > a bit better than your average cager. > > But, to each their own. > > Brian McCoy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane > > positioning is a > > advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the > > advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders > > have different > > performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit > > another person's ride. > > In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over > > thier head and > > uncomfortable. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 14:50:56 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13301 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-114.patriot.net [209.249.180.114]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25303; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2BA5A.7711CA6A@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:45:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel aka ITM CC: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: <19990905170248.24164.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel aka ITM wrote: The first thing I'd ask is "Can I get the case dismissed since the officer didn't witness it?" In the Commonwealth of Virginia, I'm sure that an officer must have witnesses for the Commonwealth in order to make a ticket stick if he/she didn't see the event. Said officer can supeona anyone at the scene. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 15:24:53 1999 Return-Path: genna@XXXXXX Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13833 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc636515a ([24.3.39.108]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990905192448.PXLQ29344.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc636515a>; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:24:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01bef7d4$051d8260$6c270318@owml1.md.home.com> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Bill Huson" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" References: <37D2B996.244C4654@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:22:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I was that and although I didn't witness the crash i can tell you following: As we entered the twisties, we more or less split up into 2 groups: I was in the first group of 3 riders( I was the last one with 900RR and CBR1000 in front of me) and we were going much faster then Mark(who was right behind me) and the rest of the riders and soon lost them far behind. So i don't think he was pressed to follow us all that much. I, for one, never let anyone dictate my pace. Also, there is a lot to be said for weather. The road was dry, but as we went higher up the mountain, there was a strip of rain(rather hard one). This went to quick condition change. IMHO, it was a combination of weather and "inexperience" in such weather that caused this accident. Mark, if you need a witness, I'll be glad to offer my help. Although, i haven't seen actual crash, i can tell judge that weather played much more significant role in this crash then your driving. Genna Melamed VTR1000 genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: McCoy, Brian NAB02 Cc: 'dc' Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) > BUT... single file, which is the usual style when on the twisties, doesn't solve > the problem of a rider who is past the edge of his/her skill but feels a *need* > to keep up. In a perfect world the aforementioned rider would bail out and meet > the group at the next fuel/rest stop, but the desire to not look like a weenie > usually overrules. > > I do ride with groups - like groups of a few with a commen destination and > similer riding styles. Read slow and steady style. After all, an FLH isn't > exactly set up for screaming around the twisties :-) > > Bill > > McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > That only really has an effect on riding in a group while in > > non-technical places - like city streets, highways, straights, etc... as > > soon as you get into the corners, it becomes single-file. Riding with a > > group is a WONDERFUL way to see others ride and learn from those with more > > ability by watching their bodyplacement, bike positioning, braking, and any > > of a dozen other things. Plus, if something DOES happen, you have someone > > there who's going to be able to help, and understands the situation probably > > a bit better than your average cager. > > > > But, to each their own. > > > > Brian McCoy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > > > Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane > > > positioning is a > > > advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the > > > advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders > > > have different > > > performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit > > > another person's ride. > > > In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over > > > thier head and > > > uncomfortable. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 15:29:04 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13920 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:29:02 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA24769; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:28:20 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024554; Sun, 5 Sep 99 15:28:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHL00M1MQ6U65@XXXXXX>; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E3.006AC366 ; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:26:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:24:46 -0400 Subject: RE: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E3.006ABBA1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Thanks for the offer of help Brian. I may take you up on it, since I don't have the funds right now to purchase new parts. Some type of school, like CCS or class, is planned for next year. mark To: 'dc' cc: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Date: 09/05/99 06:06:37 PM GMT Subject: RE: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Sorry to hear of the accident MArk.. but glad that you weren't hurt, and the bike isn't totaled. @ years ago I watched a fellow lister go down in that very vorner.. he was following someone on an FJ1100 (they doesn't exactly have tons of clearance before dragging hard bits) - the FJ touched something and slid-out - the lister locked up the rear brake and slide off aswell... I've also seen a dozen other accidents in that very corner through the years of riding there... it's a corner that gets a lot of people, even in the dry. Anyway - if you're curious, you shouldn't have touched the brakes at all. If anything, you should have just leaned the bike in a little more with constant throttle. Most tires today are good enough in the rain to reach close to max lean before giving out completely. But the situation varys each time, and requires different adjustment. To get some confidence back, I can see two very clear options - but a small dirt-bike for a couple hundred dollars and get on the dirt.. slide it all over the place, crash, and find yourself getting comfortable with a bike loose beneath you. Spend $2k on a racebike and gear and get yourself on a track.. if you want to lean further, then this is the best way to do it. Hell, spend $600 and enroll yourself in an on-track training school using one of their bikes.. that'll do tons as-well (I remember all the heaps of confidence I had after my first day on the track going back to the street.. what an awesome feeling - now I'm just scared when getting on a street-bike). Well, I'd offer to help you with your bike, but I'll be gone from the area in 4 weeks.. I hope it looks worse than it actually is. Brian McCoy ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 15:43:24 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14192 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA06685; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:42:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006243; Sun, 5 Sep 99 15:41:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHL00L9CQUHQ0@XXXXXX>; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E3.006C124E ; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:40:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:39:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: Genna Melamed Cc: Bill Huson , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <852567E3.006C0F89.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Just to make it clear...NO ONE on the ride pressured me to do anything. It was my responsibility. Thanks for the offer. I may take you up on it. Mark To: Bill Huson , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: 'dc' From: Genna Melamed Date: 09/05/99 07:22:39 PM GMT Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) I was that and although I didn't witness the crash i can tell you following: As we entered the twisties, we more or less split up into 2 groups: I was in the first group of 3 riders( I was the last one with 900RR and CBR1000 in front of me) and we were going much faster then Mark(who was right behind me) and the rest of the riders and soon lost them far behind. So i don't think he was pressed to follow us all that much. I, for one, never let anyone dictate my pace. Also, there is a lot to be said for weather. The road was dry, but as we went higher up the mountain, there was a strip of rain(rather hard one). This went to quick condition change. IMHO, it was a combination of weather and "inexperience" in such weather that caused this accident. Mark, if you need a witness, I'll be glad to offer my help. Although, i haven't seen actual crash, i can tell judge that weather played much more significant role in this crash then your driving. Genna Melamed VTR1000 genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: McCoy, Brian NAB02 Cc: 'dc' Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) > BUT... single file, which is the usual style when on the twisties, doesn't solve > the problem of a rider who is past the edge of his/her skill but feels a *need* > to keep up. In a perfect world the aforementioned rider would bail out and meet > the group at the next fuel/rest stop, but the desire to not look like a weenie > usually overrules. > > I do ride with groups - like groups of a few with a commen destination and > similer riding styles. Read slow and steady style. After all, an FLH isn't > exactly set up for screaming around the twisties :-) > > Bill > > McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > That only really has an effect on riding in a group while in > > non-technical places - like city streets, highways, straights, etc... as > > soon as you get into the corners, it becomes single-file. Riding with a > > group is a WONDERFUL way to see others ride and learn from those with more > > ability by watching their bodyplacement, bike positioning, braking, and any > > of a dozen other things. Plus, if something DOES happen, you have someone > > there who's going to be able to help, and understands the situation probably > > a bit better than your average cager. > > > > But, to each their own. > > > > Brian McCoy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > > > Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane > > > positioning is a > > > advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the > > > advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders > > > have different > > > performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit > > > another person's ride. > > > In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over > > > thier head and > > > uncomfortable. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 15:52:17 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14352 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Sun, 5 Sep 99 19:51:36 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa006ui; Sun, 05 Sep 99 19:51:35 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:51:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:51:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I can see a valid argument from both Bill and Genna... Sure, in a perfect world we all ride our own pace and everyone's comfortable with that... In THIS world, even if you're an experienced ride, you can and do feel the pangs of attempting to keep up with the fastest guy (or continue being the fastest guy - or gal). It happens, maybe not everytime, but everyones guilty of it to some degree. Now, traditionally I take a persons word for straight up truth unless I have reason otherwise.. Mark's never given reason - so I'm prone to believe that road conditions combined with limited experience (for those conditions) are what caused the situation to be resolved as it did. The only thing to do is be thankfull noone was hurt, and learn. Hopefully the same thing won't happen a second time... Brian McCoy - just some punk kid who can't really ride so you can ignore all this anyway. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 17:02:52 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15525 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-200.patriot.net [209.249.180.200]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31906 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:02:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2D945.CDBED873@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:57:41 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speaking of weather.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rain this AM and weatherhead predictions of Dennis and more cruddy weather, so I decide to take the rack off my bike for a bit of maintenance. Lemme tell you, removing the rack on a Hawg is like rolling in pig swill. The damn thing is mounted on the upper shock mount and basically requires removing dozens of bolts and gidgy-gadjet and gee-gaws. This, as you can well imagine, involved language not suitable for young `uns. So I get the frigging thing off *pant pant* and .... ??? Whutthehell ??? The sun is out!!! The roads in my hood are dry!!! This weather event, as you can well imagine, involved several more verbal tirades which would have a made a seasoned sailor blush. One might ask why remove the rack at all? The chromed sheet metal base and tag backet was rusting on the underside. Okay, fixing rust only seen by snakes and little varmits is kind of anal, but I HATE rust. Besides, what else to do on a crappy rainy day? Oh yeah, watch the sun shine ... Grrrr... Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 17:10:34 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15617 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-200.patriot.net [209.249.180.200]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA32306; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:10:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2DB12.B360B562@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 17:05:22 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From reading Mark's post, I'm sure he succumbed to the dreaded *wet spot*. Scanning ahead for sand, gravel, oil, leaves, and wet spots is routine, but on sharp curves such thangs can surprise you. Having used my butt for an impromptu sled a few times, I've devoloped the wussy approach - if I don't know what's ahead I'm riding dog slow. Us old farts don't bounce as well as you young `uns. Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > I can see a valid argument from both Bill and Genna... Sure, in a perfect > world we all ride our own pace and everyone's comfortable with that... In > THIS world, even if you're an experienced ride, you can and do feel the > pangs of attempting to keep up with the fastest guy (or continue being the > fastest guy - or gal). It happens, maybe not everytime, but everyones > guilty of it to some degree. > > Now, traditionally I take a persons word for straight up truth unless I have > reason otherwise.. Mark's never given reason - so I'm prone to believe that > road conditions combined with limited experience (for those conditions) are > what caused the situation to be resolved as it did. The only thing to do is > be thankfull noone was hurt, and learn. Hopefully the same thing won't > happen a second time... > > Brian McCoy - just some punk kid who can't really ride so you can ignore all > this anyway. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 20:28:56 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18533 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-36-251.s251.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.36.251]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23732 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D30AF8.FD56EADB@erols.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:29:44 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: <199909052300.TAA17218@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > After passing Cooter?s store we began to climb the famous Route 211. > > I was riding well, finally able to ignore the rider in front of me and > concentrate on my own groove. As we approached the first turn, I braked > hard since my speed was too high. The corner WAS tight, but I took it > without any problems. I remember congratulating myself on taking the > corner faster and more leaned over than I usually do. > > As anyone who has ridden 211 knows, the next turn is never far away. I > immediately found myself in an fairly sharp right-hander. I was in the far > right lane of a three-lane (2 lanes going up, one down) decreasing > radius turn. > > What happened next is still very unclear. What I do remember is that > while leaned far over, the rear tire started slipping and sliding out. I do > not usually (ever) slide the rear tire so this was a totally foreign (and > scary) experience. For a split second, I panicked. I unwisely decided to > grab the front brake, in hopes the bike would stand up a bit and stop > sliding. Well, this was probably not the right thing to do. As soon as > the brakes engaged, I began to drift over into the next lane. Instead of > stabilizing, I was headed straight for the opposite guard rail. > > Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really grabbed > the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out completely. > The bike lowsided and hit the pavement in the first third of the far left > (oncoming) lane. My body (right leg) hit the pavement with the VFR on > top of me. We slid a short distance across the pavement, until the bike > separated from me and hit the guardrail. I came to rest on my back, in > the left median. > > As I sat there, some shock set in, but I realized how lucky I > was. If a car had been coming in the opposite direction, I would be > dead or paralyzed?period. > > As we were about to get out of there, a fire truck showed up. Following > a brief consultation, the ambulance was cancelled. Unfortunately, the police > then arrived and proceeded to write me a ticket for RECKLESS DRIVING. > What crap. I will be going to court in hopes of having it reduced, but with > 6 points of my license (speeding in a cage) I am not hopeful of getting it > dismissed. The state trooper explained that he was writing me a ticket > since they see a lot of fatal motorcycle accidents on the same turn. > So, Iam paying the price for the past sins of squids. > > LESSONS LEARNED: > > #1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, #2, don?t let riding in > a group increase one?s speed/risk taking (that is 100% my fault), #3 is > that I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my sport > riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in corners Mark, I'm glad to hear that your protective gear did its job. A couple of observations on your situation, and on your lessons learned... (I don't post often to the list - too busy - but many of you probably know me. Riding 21 years in the DC Area, MSF Instructor for seven years, racing an EX500 in CCS and WERA this year) First, you deserved the ticket for reckless driving, it was not crap, and you were not paying the price for the past sins of squids. When you crash your bike on the public road in a single vehicle accident, without a mechanical failure or animal strike or the like, there is no one to blame but yourself. If you exceed the envelope and crash, you are riding in a reckless manner. You pointed out that if a car had been coming the other way, you might have been sturck by the car and suffered more extensive injuries, or been killed. However, did you consider that another motor- cyclist may have been coming the other way? That rider might have been injured or killed by your failure to maintain control of your bike. For that matter, an oncoming car might have swerved to avoid you and gone off the road or hit another car, injuring and/or killing other people. Second, even if there is ZERO chance of rain, you should always maintain a margin for error on the public roads. Taking corners faster and more leaned ever than you ever have is a very good thing to practice - on the racetrack. As you demonstrated in your accident, it is very difficult to tell whether you have a margin, or - if you can - how large the margin is when you're riding on the street in essentially non-repeatable circumstances. I agree 100% with your Lesson #1 and Lesson #2. I also agree with lesson #3 as far as you needing more rider training. If you have not yet taken the ERC, please do so as soon as you have your bike back together. You should also look into a track school if you are interested in aggressive sport riding. Once again, I'm glad you weren't hurt badly. The bike can be fixed. Tim Morrow MSF#21769 CCS Am/WERA Nov #432 -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 21:05:26 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@[216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19157 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fryer (adsl3-249.cais.com [209.8.158.249]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA10379 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:05:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990905205141.00b94820@pop.obscure.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:05:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Riding in Groups In-Reply-To: <37D2B996.244C4654@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:42 PM 9/5/99 -0400, you wrote: >BUT... single file, which is the usual style when on the twisties, doesn't >solve >the problem of a rider who is past the edge of his/her skill but feels a *need* >to keep up. In a perfect world the aforementioned rider would bail out and meet >the group at the next fuel/rest stop, but the desire to not look like a weenie >usually overrules. An interesting method for group riding that I've experienced and, frankly, have come to really like... have a relatively experienced person leading the ride, keep the group fairly small. Put less experienced people back some, give everyone lots of space. Avoid passing each other and remember to stay OFF of other people's tails. And then... the leader rides at their experience level in the twisties (Ie approaching as fast as they're comfortable with) and SLOWS DOWN in the straights, allowing other folks to catch up, if needed. This way, everyone can enjoy the ride, no one gets left behind. Everyone rides at a pace that is comfortable to their experience level. Other tips, based on experience... use your turn signals and telegraph lane changes. Point out dirt, gravel and crap in the road so that riders behind can anticipate. When on the slab, the front rider and the sweep rider work together to keep the group together... controling the lane from in front and from behind the group. Breaks can be madated by whoever has the smallest gas tank. IE, in a group consisting of a Honda CBR-XX, 2 VFR's and a Honda CB-1... the CB-1 has a range of about 70 to 90 miles, which works out to be a nice time to take a break. It all takes some practice, and some communication, but I actually somewhat prefer to ride in a group than just on my own. -- "We've met the Enemy and He is Us." Walt Kelly From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 00:30:55 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22777 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.200] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A34EA11F00E8; Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: <37D34367.C944C23A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:30:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of weather.... References: <37D2D945.CDBED873@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > Besides, what else to do on a crappy rainy day? Oh yeah, > watch the sun shine ... > Grrrr... Bill, Here I thought I was the only one who had days like that... :) Thanks for the chuckle! Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - BugSlayer II - BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) - GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 09:19:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02739 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03870 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25213 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-45-16.s16.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.45.16]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28135 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bef849$316d4ba0$c4cbfea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Crash on 211/ I should read closer! Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:21:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I've gotten a little lazy recently and didn't realize until just now where the recently discussed crash occurred. Yes, the guy Randy mention was me, and I believe I crashed in the turn preceding the one in question. After reading about the accident, I am fairly sure that had I negotiated my corner, I likely would have gone down in the same place as Mark. And as good a track rider I like to think I am, those skills weren't helping me that day. My downfall was going too fast on a road I was unfamiliar with. I have some of the things mentioned in earlier posts - comfort with sliding (2 years motocross), track time and experience leaning/draggin knees, parts etc. Which was all well and good, except that I was pushing myself on an unfamiliar road. Mark's comment rings true to me, something to the effect of "congratulating myself for going faster and leaning further than before" I know that feeling from pushing myself, my limits on the street. Thats the root of the problem for me. I've crashed twice by myself on the street, and it was due to trying to push my limits. I have to agree with Tim, that if you were pushing it, as your post suggests, you were being reckless. I guess the only places I feel congratulations for feats of speed/lean are appropriate is the track. If you get that feeling on the road you are going to fast. Like Mark, I stuffed it under a guard rail, and walked away with only a bruise or two, a couple dents, and $500 radiator bill. I was very lucky. The worst part was calling my wife from the little store at the bottom of the hill (the owner, by the way, was a very cool and helpful guy) and the embarrassment of Julie Moran and my wife coming out to pick me up. So in short, I am just trying to warn people from the mistakes I have made, that if during a ride you find that you are consciously having to tell yourself to look through a corner simply to make it through, slow down! Good judgement BEFORE a corner is worth way more than all the skill and training in the world once your IN that corner. Jonathan Broga From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 10:21:51 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03823 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vFMOa09417 (4234); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d3e50fa.250527ad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:20:29 EDT Subject: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 SEPTEMBER 19, 1999 RIDE FOR KIDS (DETAILS BELOW) http://www.ride4kids.org **REGISTRATION VOLUNTEERS DESPARATELY NEEDED** From: RRumbleBee (please contact Jackie at this e-mail address if you're able to help out or have questions) Lee, mind passing this along to anyone you think is fun enough to join us. The bigger the group, the less any ONE person's voice will matter. Volume over quality anytime!!!!! Thanks Who's full of fun and adventure. We have an opportunity to be on TV! Monday September 13th from Jimmmy's in Fells Point on Channel 13. We'd have to be there at 5:30 a.m. and we would be done by 6:30 a.m.--so, everyone could still get to work. Rain or shine, we would gather and sing "Manic Monday"--you know by the Bangles. It could be GREAT FUN! The point is we get to tell them a little about Ride for Kids. I think you get breakfast afterwards. Must know IMMEDIATELY if anyone is interested. I CAN E-MAIL YOU THE WORDS--we can use cheat sheets that morning. I will provide directions if I get replies. THANKS FROM THE KIDS AND ME. j COLUMBIA MALL Rain or Shine (I'll be in a cage w/one drop!) GRAND PRIZE -- HONDA MOTORCYCLE Start: 8:00 a.m. Registration CLOSES: 9:45 a.m. Road Ride Starts: 10:00 a.m. SHARP! Free coffee/donuts and light lunch For more info and registration, you can: Call 1.800.253.6530, write to our own Jackie Cooke at (rrumblebee@XXXXXX) or log onto their Web site at http://www.ride4kids.org Hope to see you on the 19th for a ride you won't soon forget! Ride Safely, lbb From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 11:21:11 1999 Return-Path: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail3.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04740 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) From: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail2.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.101]) by inetmail3.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2607.0) id RDS2KD35; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:20:46 -0400 Received: from Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com (LYNSMTP1 [167.241.105.221]) by inetmail2.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id SCF5AWV2; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:20:47 -0400 Received: by Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567E4.00544951 ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:20:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567E4.0052A747.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:18:10 -0400 Subject: 97' Yamaha YZF1000R 4-Sale Todays Styling & Performance without Todays Price! 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P (301)521-4622 Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 17:20:35 1999 Return-Path: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10706 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX Received: from ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2SRGa16287 (3966) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:19:42 EDT Subject: BMW R1100RTL For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 1996 BMW R1100RTL (radio-equipped model) for sale. Low milage, perfect condition, many extras. Email privately for details to ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX. Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 19:16:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12636 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06354 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06680 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vAXQa06252 (3927) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12686b70.2505a537@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:16:07 EDT Subject: 2- 99 GSXR750's for sale. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 243 My buddy's was bought back in febuary and has 7200 miles on it. It is in stock form except for the scratches on the fairings (minimal). Mine was bought only about three months ago and has 4200 miles on it. Mostly highway (32 miles to work and back). I have a D&D CF slip on, K&N filter, Corbin CF leather seat, Intuitive Fairing protectors(never had to use em), Carbon look bar-ends, and hyper-white and hyper-yellow bulbs in it. Also, it has a Eurobikes undertail kit installed(looks sweet). Both Bikes are Blue and white, have clean titles, and need to be sold asap. We both have new bikes coming in later this season and dont wanna take trade-in $. So, if anyone is serious please feel free to call me about both bikes at 410-961-4348. I dont get online much anymore so I probably wont get your email. Sean G. Petr 410-961-4348 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 00:34:06 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA17746 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14597 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 04:35:35 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 04:35:35 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA30148; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:30:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:30:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199909070430.AAA30148@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Speaking of weather.... On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:57:41 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >Besides,what else to do on a crappy rainy day? Oh yeah, watch the sun shine ... >Grrrr... I feel your pain,brother. Was going to go on Mark's ride Sat morning,but I didn't get much sleep Fri(I work graveyard shift). Didn't think a 'spirited' ride would be a good idea on autopilot,so I just went home and went to bed with the intention of going on a solo ride later. Woke up to rain. Rain forcasted for Sun,so I let the girls at the part-time job talk me into working. Walk out of the apt Sun to light rain. By the time I'd gone a block the sun was out. All day I kept poking my head out of the store to see sunshine coming through the skylight. With my work schedule,I only have weekends off twice every two months,so the rain they're forcasting for this Fri means I'm prolly SOL until the end of Oct. 4300 miles on the Dyna,and it came with 2500. :-P The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 09:38:03 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28928 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-47.patriot.net [209.249.180.47]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16363; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37D513F4.EC8DE173@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:32:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of weather.... References: <199909070430.AAA30148@web2.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Work sucks. Did you hear the latest report that USA workers more hours/wk than any other slaves in industrialized nations? We're also less productive. Like get a clue! Burned out workers don't produce! We need play-time - recess - and an afternoon nap! And of course - time to ride. Bill Gil Nissley wrote: > I feel your pain,brother. Was going to go on Mark's ride Sat morning,but I didn't get much sleep Fri(I work graveyard shift). Didn't think a 'spirited' ride would be a good idea on autopilot,so I just went home and went to bed with the intention of going on a solo ride later. Woke up to rain. Rain forcasted for Sun,so I let the girls at the part-time job talk me into working. Walk out of the apt Sun to light rain. By the time I'd gone a block the sun was out. All day I kept poking my head out of the store to see sunshine coming through the skylight. With my work schedule,I only have weekends off twice every two months,so the rain they're forcasting for this Fri means I'm prolly SOL until the end of Oct. > 4300 miles on the Dyna,and it came with 2500. :-P > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 10:03:11 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29400 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Tue, 7 Sep 99 14:02:49 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa001N5; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:02:41 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:02:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: If only Gil hadn't had so many problems.. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:02:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) then this would be an interesting temptation.. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7304/buell.html Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 10:37:43 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29992 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA26583; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:37:21 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma013991; Tue, 7 Sep 99 10:23:59 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHP00EEJ1H2YQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E5.004EFC4F ; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:22:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:21:34 -0400 Subject: Call for a lawyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E5.004EEF66.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Due to the fact that I cannot afford 6 points on my liscense, I may need to hire a lawyer to fight my crash ticket. Can anyone please recommend a good traffic or even motorcycle-specifc attorney. Any idea of costs? Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 11:14:50 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00682 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:42:21 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:42:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:42:50 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjay@XXXXXX Subject: bike cover question -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I work in Herdon and live in Falls Church, but I avoid any bike shop that insists on collecting my personal information for their mailing list when I am paying cash. Michael, If that's a problem, why not give 'em a bogus name and address? Bill Zeebub One Avenue of the Damned Hell, Universe 66666 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 11:36:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01118 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10402 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA27633 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:36:20 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:47:27 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:47:44 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: TINATRIP@XXXXXX, denizen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: STOLEN 48 PAN -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'd also make up a batch of fliers and post them in every Harley dealer and Harley-oriented shop you can find. The scumbags will probably break it down and try to sell the parts. At least the stuff w/o VIN nos. Good luck. Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 11:48:51 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01285 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:47:59 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:47:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:48:06 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Subject: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. Mark, The fact that you crashed is PROOF that you were reckless? Or did you admit something to The Man? He didn't witness it? Does he have witnessess testifying against you? How do they get away with this Gestapo crap? It's gotta be beatable, or am I missing something? Joe (and yes, that is a gnarly road!) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 12:34:07 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02161 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:33:09 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:33:07 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:32:49 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: phil@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX Subject: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'm planning to ride this, and still open to suggestions re: where to stay sat nite. Don't need anything fancy, but secure moto parking would be a big plus. Joe (riding up from Richmond area) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 12:40:45 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02275 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA02015; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:41:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa14583; Tue, 7 Sep 99 12:22:58 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHP00FD36ZAVE@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E5.0059DFD0 ; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:21:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: JOE NAGY Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E5.0059D3F2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road caused my rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make me look guilty? Mark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington DC/C&L/US@C&L US cc: From: JOE NAGY Date: 09/07/99 03:48:06 PM GMT Subject: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. Mark, The fact that you crashed is PROOF that you were reckless? Or did you admit something to The Man? He didn't witness it? Does he have witnessess testifying against you? How do they get away with this Gestapo crap? It's gotta be beatable, or am I missing something? Joe (and yes, that is a gnarly road!) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 13:06:54 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02754 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA25293; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:07:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: JOE NAGY cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjay@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike cover question -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, JOE NAGY wrote: > > > I work in Herdon and live in Falls Church, but I > avoid any bike shop that insists on collecting > my personal information for their mailing list > when I am paying cash. What do you mean "insists"? In the words of our illustrious national anti-drug campaign, "Just Say No". > > Michael, If that's a problem, why not give 'em a bogus name and > address? Why bother? See above. > > Bill Zeebub > One Avenue of the Damned > Hell, Universe 66666 > Can't find this address in my mapping program; should I spring for an upgrade? --garcia "Hey! Where are we going? And why are we in this handbasket?" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:05:16 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03902 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77116 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 1999 18:04:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990907180441.77115.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.248.58.177 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:04:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.248.58.177] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX Subject: Re: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** -Reply Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:04:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed We should get a list of people that are going. Then we should all meet up to make a good showing for DC cycles. If you have never been it is a very worth while cause. Dan Kenney 1997TL1000s >From: JOE NAGY >To: phil@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, >ADonne2346@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, >Bbmargie@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, >Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, >DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, > Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, >HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, >LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, >MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, >RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, >Waltrich1@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, >rosie@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, >randy@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, >Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, >bob.graham@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX >Subject: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** -Reply >Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:32:49 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 07 09:44:52 1999 >Received: from [209.116.254.17] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >MHotMailB99E8C00000CD82197F1D174FE1109E00; Tue Sep 07 09:44:52 1999 >Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com >[205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02161 for >; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:34:06 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail.martinagency.com([205.161.207.98])by >iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:33:09 -0400 >Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.comwith >Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:33:07 -0400 >Message-Id: >X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 > >I'm planning to ride this, and still open to suggestions re: where to >stay sat nite. Don't need anything fancy, but secure moto parking would >be a big plus. > >Joe (riding up from Richmond area) > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:09:34 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@XXXXXX [216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03974 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [216.181.79.203]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA29633; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:09:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply In-Reply-To: <852567E5.0059D3F2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 > From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > To: JOE NAGY > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply > > I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road caused my > rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). > > What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make > me look guilty? If you can afford it, I'm all over having a lawyer. The long term benefit for things like insurance, is well worth the short term cost of paying the retainer and so on. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:41:24 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04681 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11985 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** -Reply In-Reply-To: <19990907180441.77115.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am currently planning on attending the RFK. Not sure yet if I'll be on the 650 or the GPz. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:45:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04845 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD3BB450256; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:45:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990907144426.00d1d100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:46:56 -0400 To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990904085632.009b63c0@pop.obscure.org> References: <199909031901.PAA30685@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:11 AM 9/4/99 , Dan Brown wrote: >This particular wreck happened after a long day, returning from a >weekend ride in North Carolina. He was on backroads in unfamiliar >territory and it had started lightly raining. He came around a turn >and saw the jeep. He was in his lane, but felt he was farther out than >he wanted to be, put a bit more lean into the bike and just lost >traction. A LEO later said something like "You're the fourth person >this month who's lost it on this curve." I hope he slows down the next time he has all those things stacked against him - 1. He's tired 2. He's on back roads. 3. He's in unfamiliar territory. 4. It's raining. >"We've met the Enemy and He is Us." > Walt Kelly You got that right. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1990 Honda PC800, 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:48:38 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04886 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990907184803.8482.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.249] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:48:03 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:48:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think cops just write out these tickets because some people will just pay them, not knowing they can get them dropped in court because the officer didn't witness the incident. Therefor they write out the ticket and possibly raise another $200+ for the state. Also if they have quota's then, they're one ticket closer. but anyway.. You should look up the law and see how reckless driving is defined. I doubt what you told him would qualify. Also do you know if those 6 points are mandatory or discretionary? Will there be any immediate effects of those 6 points? If not, you could always represent yourself for now, and if you lose, then hire a lawyer for an appeal. Do you know if the officer talked to any other people? even if he did, they'd have to testify in court I believe, so he can't use their testimony as far as I know. (because you have a right to confront those who testify against you) Simply having an accident isn't proof of reckless driving. I do think I recall something about "driving too fast for road conditions" can legally be defined as speeding even if it's under the posted limit. Check the definition of the speeding statute as well. As far as hiring a lawyer, no it doens't make you look guilty, it makes you look intelligent, and respectful of the courts authority. The lawyer may not cost all that much, and even though I think you can get the case dropped, a lawyer probably increases the probability of such. If you make a comfortable living, it might be worth it. I personally don't have money to spare right now, and would just go, and ask that the case be dismissed since the state has no witnesses. I doubt anyone would go to court to testify for a traffic ticket on the states behalf. I also believe someone here said they would go to court on your behalf. A witness on your behalf goes a long way. I'd just go to court, ask that the case be dismissed, and be ready to very simply and briefly explain what happened, in a non incriminating manor. You might or might not want to add "in my panic I grabbed the front brake which caused my front wheel to skid and the bike when down and we slid over to the guard rail" I think a panic reaction isn't reckless driving, but check the definition yourself first, before you decide to use it. I think if the judge knows you knew exactly what your mistake was, he might be more believing that you know what you were talking about and give you credibility for your testimony. I'd also state I wasn't driving recklessly and I have a witness who would be willing to testify. That should be enough in my oppinion. If you have some spare time, you could always go sit in court and witness what goes on. You always want to request that the case be dismissed for lack of witnesses on the states behalf and that you have a witness, as telling what happened may actually give the judge grounds to convict. So one of the first things to come out of your mouth should be the request that the charges be dropped as the officer didnt' witness it. Also are you absolutely sure he didn't witness it, like there were no areas where he could have had a view from a far? Anyway, disclaimer, I'm no lawyer, (although I was majoring in legal studies and may persue that) and I'm mostly presenting ideas from my own observations/experience. I've presented ideas some may be wise, or unwise, so pick and choose whatever you like, one, some, all, or none. Do look up the laws though. oh btw I think you can look them up online, maybe someone can post the url yet once again. Let us know how things develop, and what you decide. Daniel 91 ex250 > I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road > caused my > rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). > > What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a > lawyer make > me look guilty? > > Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 15:00:47 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05192 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990907190012.948.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.249] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:00:12 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: Dan Brown , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Cc: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes if you can afford it. One of my sayings is... "Life costs". And so sometimes I'll just go ahead and pay whatever.. I think of it as just a tax on being alive. Money comes and goes anyway. (although i'm a firm believer in saving up money). If I never made a good investment, never won a dime, never found a dime.. I don't know that I'd work a full week to pay the lawyer, but if I could recall how easily I have raised that amount, then it'd be easier on my conscious to pay the lawyer, and think how money comes and goes.. I used to be a cheap skate, I'm not big spender, but now I'm willing to pay extra for some things that are worth it, and pay that tax on life :) --- Dan Brown wrote: > > > On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 > > From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > > To: JOE NAGY > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply > > > > I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road > caused my > > rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). > > > > What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a > lawyer make > > me look guilty? > > If you can afford it, I'm all over having a lawyer. The long term > benefit > for things like insurance, is well worth the short term cost of > paying the > retainer and so on. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 15:09:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05320 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2C357F0166; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:08:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990907144706.00d39a40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:09:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) In-Reply-To: <852567E3.0054881D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:22 AM 9/5/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >What happened next is still very unclear. What I do remember is that while >leaned far over, the rear tire started slipping and sliding out. Clearly, you were going too fast for the conditions. >make a long story short, the bike was pushed from under the guardrail and >started. As I sat there, some shock set in, but I realized how lucky I >was. If a car had been coming in the opposite direction, I would be dead >or paralyzed?period. You're also lucky you didn't hurt some innocent person - another biker, or a cager who might wreck to avoid killing you. >As we were about to get out of there, a fire truck showed up. Following a >brief consultation, the ambulance was cancelled. Unfortunately, the police >then arrived and proceeded to write me a ticket for RECKLESS >DRIVING. What crap. Why is that? > I will be going to court in hopes of having it reduced, but with 6 >points of my license (speeding in a cage) I am not hopeful of getting it >dismissed. Maybe you need to slow down. >The state trooper explained that he was writing me a ticket >since they see a lot of fatal motorcycle accidents on the same turn. So, I >am paying the price for the past sins of squids. No, you're lucky you didn't die -- you paid a cheap price for your lesson. By the way, what's your definition of a squid? >LESSONS LEARNED: > >#1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, Don't limit your caution to possible rainy days. There's a lot more hazards out there than rain, and a lot of ways a road can be wet and slippery with no rain. >#3 is that >I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my sport >riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in corners. >My braking was a result of panic and inexperience with sliding. Perhaps a racetrack school would help you in judgement and skill. Your riding seems more suited to a racetrack than a public road. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 15:25:07 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@XXXXXX [216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05629 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [216.181.79.203]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA00180 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:24:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990907144426.00d1d100@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:46:56 -0400 > From: Chris Norloff > To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer > > At 09:11 AM 9/4/99 , Dan Brown wrote: > >This particular wreck happened after a long day, returning from a > >weekend ride in North Carolina. He was on backroads in unfamiliar > >territory and it had started lightly raining. He came around a turn > >and saw the jeep. He was in his lane, but felt he was farther out than > >he wanted to be, put a bit more lean into the bike and just lost > >traction. A LEO later said something like "You're the fourth person > >this month who's lost it on this curve." > > I hope he slows down the next time he has all those things stacked against > him - > 1. He's tired > 2. He's on back roads. > 3. He's in unfamiliar territory. > 4. It's raining. Seeing as neither of us were there, neither of us has the facts, only what he's told us. I personally believe that, while Dave was known to have ridden like a bat out of hell, he was a very capable rider, who knew his limits, and in this case just over estimated the condition of his environment (road, bike, awareness etc) by just enough to wreck. I'd guess that in similar conditions, I'd not have handled things even as well as he did, and would have likely been a hood ornament. If, hopefully when, he returns to the road, I'm quite sure he will be a much different rider. Last I heard, however, he still had some amount of paralysis in one leg or foot, so riding wasn't even a possibility for now. There's a lot that he's learned, and plenty that we can learn too. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 16:12:10 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06528 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:11:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Leather Pants Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:11:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain FYI, from another list. I've seen them and they look as good as they could -- on a guy Carl in Bethesda Product Report: Leather Pants ====================== Just before I headed out for the shakedown, my wife came to me with a UPS package. I *love* it when the UPS guy shows up, it's like a little bit of Christmas year-round. Anyway, the package contained the leather pants I ordered from LinkAmerica. You may remember I posted about a week or so ago that I had come across what could be a smokin' deal on some heavyweight leather riding pants - only $78 + shipping. I figgered yeah, right, how good could they be? But I took the opportunity to call 'em and talked to one of the owners. He swore they were good quality and good heavy material, and that the markup on leather products was astronomical, yadda, yadda. Bottom line, I ordered two pairs, one 38 and one 40 waist - he said to order the next size up from your regular pants, but I hedged my bets. I'm here to tell ya that these pants are *not* a smokin' deal. They are a SMOKIN' DEAL! I cannot fookin' believe they cost as little as they do. A description is in order: Nice, heavyweight (approx. 1.3 mm) black leather. Despite the fact that it is fairly thick, the leather is very supple. They were comfortable the first time I put them on. They have two snaps securing the waist backed up by a built in belt with a nice metal roller buckle. There are three ribbed stretch panels: 1 across the back where your cakes meet your waist, and one on the outside of each leg starting just below the waist and extending down to about three inches above the knee. This allows the pants to stretch with your movements on the bike. Even the lining is stretchy in these spots to accomodate the panels - pretty good attention to detail. There is double leather on the knees with a soft foam padding in between the leather. Each leg also has a zipper starting at the ankle and going up about 9 inches. The zipper encloses a leather v-panel, allowing the pants to fit over cowboy and engineer boots. The back side of the legs starting at the ankle and running vertically for about 10 inches has a series of thin vertical stretch panels with leather strips separating them, pretty nice looking. The backs of the knees have a 4"x3" stretchy panel in lieu of leather, doesn't bunch up like leather would. There is also a zipper on the back of the waist for attaching the pants to a jacket. The pants are fully lined, have a nice zipper up front for takin' care of bidness at the restroom, and they have two zipper covered diagonal hand pockets perfectly placed for you pocket-poolers out there. And speaking of pocket pool, perhaps the coolest part about these pants, except for the price, was the fact they didn't *once* pinch my boys during the shakedown ride. Even my best stretch jeans have been known snag a 'nad once in a while, that'll fuck up yer late apex *every* time! I will not claim these pants are the equal of Vansons or summat, but I can buy 4 pairs of these for the price of one pair of Vansons. Or one pair of these and that $130 jacket this dude is hawking and I've got a full leather suit for approx. $210. For those of you out there riding with no/marginal gear - this is your wakeup call. You can't afford to not have something like this. And all I'm asking is a measly $5.00 a pant or jacket for turning you onto it . Just send that fiver, and your Koss Plug $1.00 spiff directly to me... http://www.linkamerica.com/products.html choose MC/Leather From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 16:15:03 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com (na-ex-bridge1.nai.com [208.228.228.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06615 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:16:29 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28C7@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: mjay@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike cover question -Reply Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:07:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I work in Herdon and live in Falls Church, but I >avoid any bike shop that insists on collecting >my personal information for their mailing list >when I am paying cash. Some time ago, I went into the Radio Shack in the mall to pick up a battery for a remote control unit. I grabbed one off the display stand and walked over to the counter where a smiling sales droid waited. I put the battery down, he picked it up and asked me for my phone number. I looked at him and said: "I'm not interested in a relationship, just a battery." He kind of blinked, surprised like, then shrugged and rang me up. I paid my $1.63 (or whatever) and left the store. No big deal. So, unless the person requesting your phone number is an attractive member of your preferred gender, just say no. Of course if the person *is* an attractive member of your preferred gender, you could always ask for his/her phone number... ;^) Perry From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 16:20:40 1999 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06693 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:20:39 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2EQFef0.E_ (4573) for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:18:38 EDT Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 9/7/99 12:47:36 Eastern Daylight Time, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: << What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make me look guilty? >> Reckless stays on your record for eleven (that is, 11) YEARS. Go for the paid mouthpiece Michael (I have one on mine - $54 fine, but the Reckless charge stayed (no lawyer)) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 16:32:28 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06856 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:31:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199909071631.AA132088@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 > Does a lawyer make me look guilty? I have this sudden vision of OJ and Johnnie Cochran... :) Even if it does, a lawyer might be able to get you off, or get the charge reduced to "failure to maintain control" or something. Still not cheap, but think of the insurance implications down the road if the reckless charge sticks. That crap haunts you for years... Good luck, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 17:59:35 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08265 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA07462 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005301bef97c$cd7af180$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Subject: Ride report 9/7/99 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:03:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEF95B.46156520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEF95B.46156520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang! Thought I would take the VFR out for a nice spin today. I have been = waiting all weekend to ride her since changing the chain and sprockets = as well as performing some other needed maintenance. Even though the = day started out a little cloudy I was greeted by warm sunshine and cool = temperatures. I took the standard 55 out to 647 to 211 route. I found that the roads = did not fair too well from the weekends storms. There were many patches = of sand and debris on 647 and 211. In fact most of 211 was on the east = bound side was covered in debris. This made for a couple of rather = hairy situations but skills combined with good sense got me through it = without even a sweat. As usual 211 was awesome despite the debris and I = was really able to enjoy myself. What was even better was the lack of = "dick measuring" that usually accompanies a lot of group rides. =20 At the bottom of the mountain I stopped on 211 Business to get a bite to = eat at the local Pizza Hut. I usually hate these places but I was = starving and it was the only thing that looked good. Inside, the people = were really nice and the pizza was surprisingly good! Oh well... can't = sit too long as there is still 678 to tackle on the other side of Luray! = I ate, gassed up the VFR, and was on my way again. Took 211 to Luray caverns and then headed toward the Luray Airport = (field). I then went and picked up 675... another good road with a = breath taking view of the valley. I wanted to stop at the overlook but = there was a group of folks with horses there so I motored on by quietly. = Had a little bit of fun with a Mustang GT on 675 until he couldn't take = it anymore and let me go on by. He was doing OK but once he let me by I = did not see him again. From 675 I took 678 which is a nice and twisty = fast road that runs through the George Washington National Forest. On = the map this road is shown having many switch-backs. Riding it does not = disappoint. =20 Once I was finished with 678... it ends at 55 (?)... I got back on 55 = heading toward Front Royal and then jumped on I-66 to get away from the = Front Royal area. I then got back on 55 again to ride my favorite = sweeper heading back towards Haymarket. There was actually some stupid = lady who thought she could run with me through the sweeper (she was = driving a Pontiac Bonneville). She was with me until I poured the coals = to it and then she, just as the Mustang had, became a distant memory. = :-) =20 At the intersection of 55 and 15 I decided to get back on I-66 for the = journey back to Arlington so that I could avoid rush hour traffic. I = hate slabbing it but I also needed to use the restroom and thought that = the I-66 Rest Area would be appropriate. Anyway... quick stop there to = use the facilities and call Jeannette and back on the road again I went. = Back to the reality of Arlington. For anyone who is interested... I will be off tomorrow as well and = seeing as how the weather is looking pretty good I will probably go out = for another ride. Send me an e-mail if you feel like playing hooky with = me! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEF95B.46156520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi gang!
 
Thought I would take the VFR out for a nice spin = today. =20 I have been waiting all weekend to ride her since changing the chain and = sprockets as well as performing some other needed maintenance.  = Even though=20 the day started out a little cloudy I was greeted by warm sunshine and = cool=20 temperatures.
 
I took the standard 55 out to 647 to 211 = route. =20 I found that the roads did not fair too well from the weekends = storms.  There were many patches of sand and debris on 647 and = 211. =20 In fact most of 211 was on the east bound side was covered in = debris.  This=20 made for a couple of rather hairy situations but skills combined = with good=20 sense got me through it without even a sweat.  As usual 211 was = awesome=20 despite the debris and I was really able to enjoy myself.  What was = even=20 better was the lack of "dick measuring" that usually accompanies a lot = of group=20 rides. 
 
At the bottom of the mountain I stopped on 211 = Business to get=20 a bite to eat at the local Pizza Hut.  I usually hate these places = but I=20 was starving and it was the only thing that looked good.  Inside, = the=20 people were really nice and the pizza was surprisingly good!  Oh = well...=20 can't sit too long as there is still 678 to tackle on the other side of=20 Luray!  I ate, gassed up the VFR, and was on my way = again.
 
Took 211 to Luray caverns and then headed toward the = Luray=20 Airport (field).  I then went and picked up 675... another good = road with a=20 breath taking view of the valley.  I wanted to stop at the overlook = but=20 there was a group of folks with horses there so I motored on by = quietly. =20 Had a little bit of fun with a Mustang GT on 675 until he couldn't take = it=20 anymore and let me go on by.  He was doing OK but once he let me by = I did=20 not see him again.  From 675 I took 678 which is a nice and twisty = fast=20 road that runs through the George Washington National Forest.  On = the map=20 this road is shown having many switch-backs.  Riding it does not=20 disappoint. 
 
Once I was finished with 678... it ends at 55 (?)... = I got=20 back on 55 heading toward Front Royal and then jumped on I-66 to get = away from=20 the Front Royal area.  I then got back on 55 again to ride my = favorite=20 sweeper heading back towards Haymarket.  There was actually some = stupid=20 lady who thought she could run with me through the sweeper (she was = driving a=20 Pontiac Bonneville).  She was with me until I poured the coals to = it and=20 then she, just as the Mustang had, became a distant memory.  = :-) =20
 
At the intersection of 55 and 15 I decided to get = back on I-66=20 for the journey back to Arlington so that I could avoid rush hour = traffic. =20 I hate slabbing it but I also needed to use the restroom and thought = that the=20 I-66 Rest Area would be appropriate.  Anyway... quick stop there to = use the=20 facilities and call Jeannette and back on the road again I went.  = Back to=20 the reality of Arlington.
 
For anyone who is interested... I will be off = tomorrow as well=20 and seeing as how the weather is looking pretty good I will probably go = out for=20 another ride.  Send me an e-mail if you feel like playing hooky = with me!=20 :-)
 
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEF95B.46156520-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 18:33:23 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08888 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990907223204.407.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:32:04 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Virginia probably presumes reckless driving in a single-vehicle accident, since it presumes reckless driving for 15mph or 20mph over the limit even without an accident. Mark will have to convince the judge otherwise, but I would imagine it's next to impossible to get the ticket completely dropped without an attorney, maybe even with. See if there's a lesser charge you can plead guilty to (failure to maintain control of the vehicle? driving too fast for conditions? anything that won't stick you with the reckless charge). Admit a mistake and explain the reasons for your lesser charge in a calm, organized manner. Usually you meet with the government attorney before going before the judge -- that seems to be where the deal-making takes place. Sean Sullivan --- JOE NAGY wrote: > > PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be > appreciated. > > Mark, > The fact that you crashed is PROOF that you were > reckless? Or did you > admit something to The Man? He didn't witness it? > Does he have > witnessess testifying against you? How do they get > away with this > Gestapo crap? It's gotta be beatable, or am I > missing something? > > Joe (and yes, that is a gnarly road!) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 21:14:13 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f265.hotmail.com [209.185.130.181]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11535 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79914 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 01:13:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990908011334.79913.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.254.22.12 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:13:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.254.22.12] From: "Doug Allis" To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash -- find a lawyer Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:13:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Try AMA. Talk to any lawyers you know in Northern VA. Ask for referals. Check the yellow pages in the county where you crashed. Ask each lawyer you call if they handle motorcycle tickets (like how many), and other traffic tickets. Ask up front about the fee. The going rate for reckless in Fairfax 10 years ago was $750.00. Ask if they KNOW THE COP!!!! You'll be surprised how many cops and lawyers actually are friendly to each other. Direct approach would be: Call the Commonwealth Attorney's office and ask to talk to the attorney assigned to your case. Tell him that you think you can win the case against you (you do have witnesses supporting your case that you were driving in a non-reckless manor??), but MAY be willing to plea to a lessor charge (its a hassle to take off work to travel and fight). Its best to have a lawyer who knows the Commonwealth Attorney do this type of conversation though. You are paying the lawyer to increase the chance that this conversation will result in something you can easily live with. >From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX >To: JOE NAGY >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply >Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 > >I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road caused my >rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). > >What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make >me look guilty? > >Mark > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington > DC/C&L/US@C&L US >cc: >From: JOE NAGY >Date: 09/07/99 03:48:06 PM GMT >Subject: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply > > > > > >PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. > >Mark, >The fact that you crashed is PROOF that you were reckless? Or did you >admit something to The Man? He didn't witness it? Does he have >witnessess testifying against you? How do they get away with this >Gestapo crap? It's gotta be beatable, or am I missing something? > >Joe (and yes, that is a gnarly road!) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 09:21:32 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user77.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.77]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25920 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:21:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567E6.00494704 ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:20:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: MJordan666@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567E6.0048BC07.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:10:48 -0400 Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline WOW!! 11 YEARS!!?? For real? Jeez, I thought credit reports were bad! : ( Thank Goddess I haven't gotten a reckless yet...I think I'll be trimming my speeds down now... ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 MJordan666@XXXXXX on 09/07/99 04:18:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply In a message dated 9/7/99 12:47:36 Eastern Daylight Time, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: << What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make me look guilty? >> Reckless stays on your record for eleven (that is, 11) YEARS. Go for the paid mouthpiece Michael (I have one on mine - $54 fine, but the Reckless charge stayed (no lawyer)) J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 09:37:31 1999 Return-Path: whitesidej@XXXXXX Received: from web1401.mail.yahoo.com (web1401.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.165]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26153 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990908133519.28919.rocketmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1401.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 06:35:19 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > WOW!! 11 YEARS!!?? For real? Jeez, I thought > credit reports were bad! : ( > Thank Goddess I haven't gotten a reckless yet...I > think I'll be trimming my > speeds down now... ; ) Yeah, it's something to think about when you're in a hurry... is saving two minutes worth possibly 11 years of higher insurance? Usually, no. That, combined with an accident years ago that was not my fault (the other guy ran a red light), but which I could have avoided if I'd been going a little slower... and which, if I'd entered the intersection a second sooner might well have killed me... have slowed me down. Or maybe it's just what happens when you get into your thirties . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 09:48:09 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26312 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-39.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.39]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06485 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:48:06 -0400 Message-ID: <00f801befa00$92bc23a0$89a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Traffic planning meetings Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:46:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01BEF9DF.0AF368A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01BEF9DF.0AF368A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those who may not be entirely satisfied with Northern Virginia = traffic and its motorcycle accommodations: >From the Post's Dr. Gridlock of 9/6/99 (DC edition): Coming up: meetings of the Transportation Coordinating Council (TCC) of = Northern Virginia seeking public comment on a $28.7B transportation plan = for 2020 -- new highways, Metrorail, etc. etc. etc. (including "adding = pedestrian trails", so it looks mighty comprehensive). Details at = www.nova2020.org Sept. 9 Fairfax County Government Center, Rooms 9 and 10, 7:30p Sept. 14 Prince William County, 1 County Complex Court, 7:30p + five others. Call 703 383 2020 for info. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> My job's just to ride well in the present Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01BEF9DF.0AF368A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those who may not = be entirely=20 satisfied with Northern Virginia traffic and its motorcycle=20 accommodations:
 
From the Post's Dr. = Gridlock of=20 9/6/99 (DC edition):
 
Coming up:  = meetings of the=20 Transportation Coordinating Council (TCC) of Northern Virginia seeking = public=20 comment on a $28.7B transportation plan for 2020 -- new highways, = Metrorail,=20 etc. etc. etc. (including "adding pedestrian trails", so it = looks=20 mighty comprehensive).  Details at www.nova2020.org
 
Sept. 9  Fairfax = County=20 Government Center, Rooms 9 and 10, 7:30p
 
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+ five others.  = Call 703 383=20 2020 for info. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01BEF9DF.0AF368A0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 11:06:59 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27618 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:06:55 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA00210; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:06:27 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa22041; Wed, 8 Sep 99 10:57:59 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHQ00CADXPCG4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E6.00521239 ; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:56:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:55:36 -0400 Subject: Track Day Results To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E6.00520D07.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Well, as most of you know, there was a track day at Summit Point yesterday. I and several other listers participated, either by riding or cornerworking. Before I go any further, I want to extend big thanks to all cornerworkers out there - I certainly appreciate your efforts. There were several off-track excursions on the day and these were made safer by the presence of cornerworking volunteers. "Good on ya" as the Brits would say. As for my experience at the track day, it was fan-freakin'-tastic! I haven't had more fun in years. It was truly a wild experience carving through the turns without worrying about traffic, soft shoulders, wildlife, the Man, or any of the other nagging dangers of the street. As the day wore on, I found myself improving my lines and braking points. There were a few incidents of note during the day. Brian Roach showed up at lunch time and unfortunately crashed after only a few laps due to a false neutral while braking for turn one. In fact, pretty much all of the incidents happened in turn one yesterday. Turn one, for those of you who haven't been to Summit Point before, is a slow second-gear right hander after the fast 120-130mph (for me at least) front straight. During one of the afternoon sessions, the rider in front of me crashed in turn one and I target-fixated on him and ran off into the gravel. I kept the bike upright despite the efforts of the two-foot depth of gravel and I came to a slow, mushy stop. It took a cornerworker, the crashed rider, and lot of work on the part of the bike to get out of that quicksand. In the end, no damage to bike or rider, and only minimal damage to ego. I hosed the bike off from some mud I had run through and got back out in the next group C session. The rider who crashed in front of me on his F3 was also fine, with minor damage to the bike. Judging from his cursing after the get-off, I imagine there was heavy ego damage, however. The large part of the day was taken up by railing around turns at deep (for me) lean angles and high speeds. The only turn that really gave me pause was turn one. All of the other turns felt good, and I never felt nervous about them. I loved flipping the bike from full lean to full lean between turns five and six and cruising through the high speed right handers of turns nine and ten. As the day wore on, I found the bike to get very slightly wallowy in turn nine, but it wasn't something that alarmed me or altered my line or speed. During the ride home, I found myself much more confident and relaxed going through the same turns I travelled to get to the track in the morning. I felt my street riding had improved dramatically, for the time being at least. I highly recommend track days to anyone who is concerned about their skills on the street. I was worried initially about the prospect of crashing my bike, but despite my excursion into the gravel, I feel I was never on the ragged edge of control. I always felt confident about my safety level. I wouldn't have any misgivings about doing another track day in the future. It was a blast! Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 12:04:50 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28899 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id MAA00474 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:04:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:04:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Track Day Results In-Reply-To: <852567E6.00520D07.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > There were a few incidents of note during the day. Brian Roach showed up at > lunch time and unfortunately crashed after only a few laps due to a false > neutral while braking for turn one. In fact, pretty much all of the > incidents happened in turn one yesterday. Turn one, for those of you who > haven't been to Summit Point before, is a slow second-gear right hander > after the fast 120-130mph (for me at least) front straight. Tip of the day... let your motorcycle come to a full and complete stop before getting off. ;) As Chris said... you punch down 4 gears and are hard on the brakes into T1. As I let out the clutch shifting from third to second and released the front brake, to my suprise the engine braking I was expecting didn't occur. That extra 5 - 10mph is not fun. In an attempt to save it I tried to trail brake into the corner... standing it up and running off would have been a much better choice in hindsight :) The front locked up and tucked, slamming me into the pavement in somethign akin to a WWF body slam I think it was 50/50 as to which direction it was going to throw me... I think down was better. The slide wasn't too bad as my brain remembered that we needed to relax and just ride it out... I slid from the entrance of T1 past the access road, partially through the turn then out to the gravel trap. Body damage isn't too bad... bruised hip and shoulder, a burn on my right arm (not from pavement... this is impact friction with the inside of my leathers). The leathers, helmet, gloves, and boots all did their jobs quite well. The bike fared worse... the front brake master cylinder was ground down by the pavement then filled with mud in the latter part of the slide. There's dirt in the rightmost carb, and possibly in the cylinder. Bodywork is a complete loss, as well as right footpeg, clip-on, etc. Hopefully I can get the thing put back together by the 9/18 summit race, but that's going to be tough if there's dirt in the cylinder. It seems I only crash on practice days, and those are done for the year :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 13:28:50 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00453 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:27:37 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:27:36 -0400 Message-Id: <37D69D42.54A82D52@trw.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:31:03 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Day Results References: <852567E6.00520D07.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver and Brian Roach gave their summations of the Track Day festivities...I spent my day in the infield, monitoring turns 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. The only fall of the day in my corners happened just as I was arriving on station in the morning. A control rider (who should have known better) attempted to blitz a wet turn 8. The ensuing fairing test dried the turn slightly, but left a small trail of oil from the concrete patch to the outside of the track. Apparently, the F4's stock cases are only good for about 50 feet of high speed concrete dragging. No one was hurt. The bike was fixed. I got a good look at all of the riders' improvement throughout the day, with the exception of Brian, who looked very smooth before the unfortunate incident. Chris Weaver appeared very composed aboard his VTR, usually running behind the control rider at a decent clip. There was another guy with a DC Cycles liveried FZR400 who looked to be getting his feet wet to go racing. He appeared to be steadily improving. I have a couple of observations based on what I saw and the little that I know about riding fast: * Foot positioning. I saw several riders hooking their boot heels on the foot pegs and riding around with their feet hanging out. One consistently looked down in surprise every time his toe slider grounded in turn 5. I'm sure he thought he was really cranking the bike over, but he wasn't. The bike was pretty much straight up and down. Ridiculous. To turn fast, one must ride with the balls of one's feet perched firmly on the foot peg. Otherwise, you'll just grind your dang foot off. Slowly. I think toe sliders are there for when you are really leaned over and often hit after your knee sliders. * Butt positioning. This one is kinda down to personal preference, but I've found that if you move your butt off of the seat and into the inside of the turn, you get a much better feel for what's going on with the suspension and tires. You can also turn more quickly and confidently since you are effectively lowering your center of gravity. A great thing to practice, and a real revelation when you finally get it right. Greg, the owner of Loudoun Motorsports, had this figured out by the end of the day and was going considerably faster then when he started. All in all it was an excellent day at the track. I would rather have been riding of course but I couldn't pass up the $50 for cornerworking. I did get to ride my new SV650 around the cold track a few times. Sweet! It was great to see everyone there and I look forward to the next one. -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 13:55:13 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00967 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990908175539.9092.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.200] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:55:39 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:55:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I got a reckless probably about 4 years ago, and it didn't show up or play a factor with my insurance with progressive. I merely switched lanes to go around a car before I ran a redlight which was a T- shaped intersection and the one side cars could come from was empty, and the light was turning red as i was moving along, so, i went around the car stopped in front of me, ant through the light. Unfortunately there was a cop behind me :) So anyway I went to court paid the fine, and I don't think I got any points, but I might have gotten 2. The judge mumbled something about 2 points, I don't know if she said she was giving or not going to give me the two points. But I'm here in maryland, maybe out in VA it is 11 years, but it didnt' show up on mine, only 4 years ago. Progressive asked me what tickets I recieved in the last 3 years, and told me only the last 3 years were the ones they could use. Or maybe it's just progressive's policy? So is that 11 years virginia law or just where does it come from? --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > WOW!! 11 YEARS!!?? For real? Jeez, I thought credit reports were > bad! : ( > Thank Goddess I haven't gotten a reckless yet...I think I'll be > trimming my > speeds down now... ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > MJordan666@XXXXXX on 09/07/99 04:18:38 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply > > > > > In a message dated 9/7/99 12:47:36 Eastern Daylight Time, > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > << What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a > lawyer make > me look guilty? >> > > Reckless stays on your record for eleven (that is, 11) YEARS. > > Go for the paid mouthpiece > > Michael (I have one on mine - $54 fine, but the Reckless charge > stayed (no > lawyer)) J. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 14:22:48 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01526 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (207-172-184-203.s203.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.184.203]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id OAA21700; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:22:00 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 99 14:03:08 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: My weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii; X-MAC-TYPE=54455854; X-MAC-CREATOR=4D4F5353 Glad everyone had fun on the track day, sorry to have missed it. Also sorry to hear of Mark's crash, I think I know exactly the turn it happened on-I nearly lost it there a few weekends ago, that decreasing radius catches me unawares everytime. Thank god for SS lines and 207's, which let you know exactly what the front end is doing. I ventured down to Atlanta on the slab(81, much better than 95 and only 30 miles further) to visit family, and left atlanta Sunday afternoon, when I headed north to Two Wheels Only, which is on US 60 (head out atlanta on GA 400 to 60, then take 60 and you'll find it, and have fun getting there, nice mountain roads. Met my uncle there, who was riding his rat bike-72(i think, might be older) BMW with a Fat Boy tank(really confuses people). Thing works though, so... Rode with him to his cabin on the state line, where his gravel driveway sucked, but didn't dump it going up or down, so no real problem. Monday we headed north and rode the Cherohola Skyway, a brand new road similar to SKyline, not quite so twisty, but no traffic at all. From here we caught US 129, and headed north, where we rode Deal's gap a few times. 11 miles, 300+ turns, lots of fun. Not much traffic, and the few cars were very considerate and pulled over for us. Really nice road. Bought the T-Shirt. Didn't ride that hard, as I was fully loaded with baggage and needed to make it home, but I did ok. Still have slight chicken stripes, starting to think tehy are permanent. From the Gap, I headed to Cherokee, where I caught the BRP and headed north. I rode the BRP until about 10, and got a room in Marion, NC. Ran into some serious fog at times, was not very fun-thank god honda put good lights on the VFR. Still had limited visibility, but was able to do 30 or so. Left Marion at about 10, and got back on the parkway(took us 80 off of it to marion, very nice road). Got back on the parkway and began cruising again, takign pictures when I saw a good overlook. One small construction area in southern VA, detoured off the parkway for a few miles. No problem. ALso some areas with crud on them, from mowing. Very rare. Gas was readily available, especially through VA, where the parkway runs through populated areas. Harder to find in NC, be wary if you have a short range(cruisers and Superhawks) Got to the base of Skyline at 6 or so, and having lost my shenandoah card at the last gas stop(got it out from wallet, put it on tankbag, got distracted, rode off without putting it in tankbag, I headed in on the slab and got home just at dark. Fun weekend. BRP was lots of fun, really beautiful and I was doing 65+ the entire trip, no problems from rangers. Got the tires nicely heated up, stuck very well. I was running 42 psi front/rear, and the ride was harsh, but stuck well. Never in a situation where I would have needed lower pressure, even on the Gap. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/8/99 HSTA/AMA 2:03:09 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 14:27:47 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01630 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:27:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199909081427.AA99746348@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: AMA Billboard Fund - Terry Barnard Memorial Highway X-Mailer: Just a short reminder, and a request for donations, to the AMA Billboard Fund. The AMA has put up two billboards in Tennessee dedicating a highway to motorcyclist Terry Barnard, since the highway is currently dedicated to his killer -- the late Tennessee Senator Carl Koella. www.ama-cycle.org thank you, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 14:52:06 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02133 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA25589; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001401befa2b$55857560$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Greg Sachs" , References: Subject: D207 Air Pressure Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:52:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Dunlop recommends that the D207 be used at 42 PSI on the rear and sometimes on the front depending on application. I run 42 PSI front and rear on my VFR and (after ironing out a suspension problem) it is extremely sure-footed. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Sachs To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 2:03 PM Subject: My weekend >Got the tires nicely heated up, stuck > very well. I was running 42 psi front/rear, and the ride was harsh, but > stuck well. Never in a situation where I would have needed lower > pressure, even on the Gap. > Greg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 9/8/99 HSTA/AMA 2:03:09 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 20:13:10 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07155 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f87.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.87]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA11637 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93647 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 19:51:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990908195138.93646.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.248.58.124 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:51:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.248.58.124] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yamaha R6 for sale Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:51:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have a 1999 Yamaha R6 for sale. It has 150 miles on it. It is red and white. Asking $6500 or best offer. E- mail me or call 800-418-0777. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 20:13:08 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07146 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f247.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.247]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA07555 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39926 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 23:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990908235706.39925.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.248.59.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:57:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.248.59.42] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For sale Yamaha R6 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:57:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have a red and white 1999 Yamaha R6 for sale with only 150 miles on it. $6500 or best offer. You can contact me via e-mail or call me at 800-418-0777. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 22:30:43 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10635 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0175.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.207]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA00965 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D74807.4D76@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:39:19 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: re: Track Day Results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > Well, as most of you know, there was a track day at Summit Point yesterday. > I and several other listers participated, either by riding or > cornerworking. --> snip <-- Thanks for posting this Chris. It was very interesting. I'm thinking of doing Track day (prolly next spring) and I appreciated reading your insights. > I was worried initially about the prospect of > crashing my bike, but despite my excursion into the gravel, I feel I was > never on the ragged edge of control. I always felt confident about my > safety level. I wouldn't have any misgivings about doing another track day > in the future. It was a blast! Excellent. Was this with the repaving or is that happening later this month? From: Brian Roach --> snip <-- > It seems I only crash on practice days, and those are done for the year :) Having some corner working experience, that does sound like you hit pretty hard Brian. Glad your OK... It still scares the shit out of me momentarily to see a rider go down. From: Randy Moran --> snip <-- > All in all it was an excellent day at the track. I would rather have been > riding of course but I couldn't pass up the $50 for cornerworking. I did get > to ride my new SV650 around the cold track a few times. Sweet! It was great > to see everyone there and I look forward to the next one. I'm there next spring. Riding - not corner working. And I'm glad a $50 stipend was paid to corner workers. (How come I never got paid? ;) Anyway, thanks to you guys for sharing your (various) impressions. I enjoyed it. JK 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 23:17:53 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11408 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990909031955.525.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:19:55 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: D207 air pressures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are MAXIMUM cold load numbers... With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the tires that stiff... On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 23:40:49 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11808 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-129-243.s497.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.129.243]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id XAA24289; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:40:41 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 99 23:31:36 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: D207 air pressures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii All I can say is that while 42 psi is higher than I would normally run, I got great grip and had the tires right at the edge of balling off like race tires too. remember, I was running at speed and turns for 8 hours at a time, so they got decent heat into the tires and kept it there. And the rear will be shot at 4500 miles or so. Tires were still tacky 4 hours after I stopped riding, despite sitting in a cool garage. I run lower pressure(38f, 34-36r) for short rides, but I was doing long periods of riding, and on a heavy bike which was fully loaded with a big rider and saddlebags/rear seat bag/tankbag. I was trying to ensure I would have enough tread to get back home on my 1700 mile weekend. My rear tire is also starting to cup now, I would guess from drive off the corners. Again, 42 psi isn't my typical usage, but seemed appropriate given the trip i was doing, and they certainly seemed to get warm enough. (wasn't really expecting this big an issue from this) greg --- On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: >You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things >will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are >MAXIMUM cold load numbers... >With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best >when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would >slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was >wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... >For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the >tires that stiff... > >On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! > >Collin >=== >Collin T. Fagan >DC-Cycles Racing >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >Proudly sponsored by: >Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) >Dixie Cycles >Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/8/99 HSTA/AMA 11:31:36 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 23:43:10 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11896 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling-114.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FHR0095SWZ7Z5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:31:54 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Re: Track Day Results/First flagging experience To: dc-cycles Message-id: <00e001befa8d$02641a00$682dbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <37D74807.4D76@mnsinc.com> X-Priority: 3 Since folks were filling everyone in on the events of Tuesday's track day, I'll chip in with my 2 cents since it's all good news. I had always assumed that corner working involved an ice-cream headache level of boredom and misery, especially with the sun beating down, so being something of an idiot I signed right up. I was very pleasantly surprised. I was a touch disappointed to pull duty on Turn 3 because the pavement is so good over there, and the line so wide, that I knew I'd have little to do. Early in the morning Randy had all the action with the antics of the Loudoun Motorsports Crash Test Dummy showing all the new guys how its done in turn 8, and as the speed came up Turn 1 seemed like the place to be. I am happy even though it might not sound like it) to report that everyone made it safely through where I was stationed, except for a control rider with a little brain fade who went wide on the entrance and coasted easily through the grass/gravel back onto the track. ( when he did go off I was so flustered and surprised I totally forgot about the flag and was just excited to be on the radio reporting an Official Incident. Luckily the track was clear. I won't make that mistake again) Even with so little actual flagging action the day flew by and it was neat to see poeple's skills and feel for the track improve right before my eyes. People who were obviously lost in the morning were pulling smooth transitions and sticking the proper line by afternoon. I can only imagine that with actual side by side racing it would be even more entertaining, and a worthwhile way to spend a day. So, in short, if anyone on the list had ever contemplated volunteering for MARRC but were put off by thoughts of the hours or monotany, I say go for it. It was an excellent day. Jonathan Broga PS - when I did wave my first real flag of the session for potential debris on the track after the exit/re-entrance mentioned above, I tried to do a Nascar style super wave like the checkered flag guys, but ended up tangling the thing all up and was simply waving a multi-colored stick up and down. I had to stop and unwrap it. DOHH!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 07:18:05 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20444 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Thu, 9 Sep 99 11:17:55 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa000aE; Thu, 09 Sep 99 11:17:47 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:17:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: D207 wear and balling.. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:07:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Maybe I'm just really ignorant on this subject, and just plain don't get it... but, it takes ME a fair amount of work, on 207 race tires, with 28psi, on a racetrack, to get the edges to ball up. I may not be the fastest person on the track (er, I know I'm not - dog slow actually) - but I can assure you I'm riding harder than 99% of anyone on the street. How in God's name are you getting Street compound (harder compound) 207's to ball up? And about the 8-hour stretches where the tires are keeping heat, sorry to inform you, but if you ever ride in a straight line, the sides of your tires are cooling... a LOT. They only maintain heat/warmth where the friction is, and for a short distance to either side. I suppose that as a ride progresses, you can eventually heat up the rim, which will help with tire warmth, but you're still going to have cooling on the edge. (anyway, weren't you telling us about the chicken stripes you thought would be permanent?) This isn't to flame, so untwist yer underwear.. just looking to either A) get some of MY info straight, or B) get other peoples info straight. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Sachs [mailto:ges6@XXXXXX] > All I can say is that while 42 psi is higher than I would > normally run, I > got great grip and had the tires right at the edge of balling > off like > race tires too. remember, I was running at speed and turns > for 8 hours > at a time, so they got decent heat into the tires and kept it > there. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 08:40:00 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21641 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-20.patriot.net [209.249.180.20]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01273; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:39:52 -0400 Message-ID: <37D7A95E.364293AC@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:34:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D207 air pressures References: <19990909031955.525.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I run whatever the motorcycle manufacturer sez to run. My present scoot, a rather heavy sled, gets 36/36 while toting my skinny butt, and 40 in the tail tire when toting 2-up and gear. Seems I recall my earlier machines which were a few hundred pounds lighter than the Hawg ran tire pressures in the mid 30s. I do run max TP on my 4 wheelers. Screw the DeeTroit ride specs, I go for less tire wear and better rain traction. Fact: Higher TP raises the speed at which a tire hydroplanes. At least on car tires and airplane tires. I'm not sure motorcycle tires have a problem, seeing as how thier profile is round rather than flat. Perhaps one of you go-fast guys has input on rain traction related to TP. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the > tires that stiff... > > On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! > > Collin > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 09:31:29 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23216 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-136-83.s83.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.136.83]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id JAA27579; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:31:21 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 99 09:25:02 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: D207 wear and balling.. To: "'dc'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII --- On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:07:46 -0700 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: >Maybe I'm just really ignorant on this subject, and just plain don't get >it... but, it takes ME a fair amount of work, on 207 race tires, with 28psi, >on a racetrack, to get the edges to ball up. I may not be the fastest >person on the track (er, I know I'm not - dog slow actually) - but I can >assure you I'm riding harder than 99% of anyone on the street. How in God's >name are you getting Street compound (harder compound) 207's to ball up? > >And about the 8-hour stretches where the tires are keeping heat, sorry to >inform you, but if you ever ride in a straight line, the sides of your tires >are cooling... a LOT. They only maintain heat/warmth where the friction is, >and for a short distance to either side. I suppose that as a ride >progresses, you can eventually heat up the rim, which will help with tire >warmth, but you're still going to have cooling on the edge. (anyway, >weren't you telling us about the chicken stripes you thought would be >permanent?) > >This isn't to flame, so untwist yer underwear.. just looking to either A) >get some of MY info straight, or B) get other peoples info straight. > >Brian McCoy I didn't have the tires balling up, but they were right at the edge of starting to do so I believe. Surface is vey porous and rough. Cooling on the sides wasn't an issue, this was on the BRP-no real straights. I'm not hung up on the issue, I was just trying to explain why I was running 42 psi, and that it didn't seem to be a bad choice given the circumstances of the ride. I don't think I was riding terribly hard, as I was riding in a conservative manner to ensure I made it home. Just reporting the results. I'm definately not the best rider around. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/9/99 HSTA/AMA 9:25:02 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 09:38:51 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23317 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-136-83.s83.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.136.83]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id JAA27615; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:38:41 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 99 09:35:17 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: FW: 2000 models To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >From the HSTA pres. check out the italian web site, http://www.hondaitalia.com/default.html for more info, or the hondamotorcycle.com site tonight Wast thinking I'd get a monster dark to complement the VFR, now I'm reconsidering. A VTR-SP would be a nice ride. greg --- On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 06:48:40 +0000 Fred Ziglar wrote: >Here's a couple of new Hondas that you might be interested in: > > >CBR929RR >Leading the way is the all-new CBR929RR, a motorcycle designed to maintain >Honda’s title of best open-class sport bike, a category recently challenged >by Kawasaki and Yamaha. Digging deeply into Honda’s bag of >power-producing-tricks, the engineers fashioned a fuel-injected four cylinder >engine that produces over 160 bhp/liter in a chassis that weighs just 374 >lbs. dry, giving the 929 the best power-to-weight ratio of any production >motorcycle ever. > >RC51 >Another breathtaking machine is Honda’s new Superbike racing platform, the >RC51. The V-twin, fuel-injected 1000cc four-stroke engine produces immense >torque and over 130 bhp in stock trim. Most impressive is the RC51’s price, >just $9999.00 (MSRP) for the machine that will be the backbone of the Honda >Racing Corporation’s world-wide Superbike racing effort for 2000 and beyond. >With the most affordable Superbike platform in the class—thousands less than >the nearest competitor—Honda is hoping the low price of the RC51 will >rekindle the grass-roots racing effort that has been absent from Superbike >racing in recent years, fostering the development of tomorrow’s racing stars >and strengthening the sport. > > >Fred Z. > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/9/99 HSTA/AMA 9:35:17 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:23:04 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24190 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11051; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301beface$eef9ae20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , References: <19990909031955.525.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: D207 air pressures Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:23:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I got the information from Dunlop's website... not the side of the tire. The D204s and 205s given different recommendations although I think the D204 is close to the same. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Collin T. Fagan To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 11:19 PM Subject: D207 air pressures > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the > tires that stiff... > > On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! > > Collin > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:24:09 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24217 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:24:07 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA25820; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:24:38 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa19259; Thu, 9 Sep 99 10:17:19 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHS00480QHO1R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E7.004E5AFC ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:15:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:15:10 -0400 Subject: Web page help (Non-moto) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E7.004E5692.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have promised to put a web site together for my father's division from World War II. It will be a fairly simple affair, with stories, war pictures and reunion pictures. I have no idea how to put a page toghther. If anyone out there has some experience with web pages, I would like to ask you a few questions (perferred software, hosting companies, etc) off-list. Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:26:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24251 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA28285; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:26:56 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021425; Thu, 9 Sep 99 10:19:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHS001S1QL80U@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E7.004E8D11 ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:17:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:17:35 -0400 Subject: Re: FW: 2000 models To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E7.004E8921.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL For the best photos of the Y2K sport models from Honda, go to the Italian site: www.hondaitalia.it The US Honda site is a mess. Chris VTR (soon to be replaced by an SP1?) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:34:36 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24439 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA16146; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004b01befad0$8a8eaba0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Greg Sachs" , "'dc'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" References: Subject: Re: D207 wear and balling.. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:35:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Running in all out squid mode coming back from Virginia Beach a few weeks ago, I can attest to the fact that D207s do ball up on the street. They also turn a nice shade of blue-ish yellow. Anyway... there you go. Tom '86 VFR750 > I didn't have the tires balling up, but they were right at the edge of > starting to do so I believe. Surface is vey porous and rough. Cooling > on the sides wasn't an issue, this was on the BRP-no real straights. I'm > not hung up on the issue, I was just trying to explain why I was running > 42 psi, and that it didn't seem to be a bad choice given the > circumstances of the ride. I don't think I was riding terribly hard, as I > was riding in a conservative manner to ensure I made it home. Just > reporting the results. I'm definately not the best rider around. > Greg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 9/9/99 HSTA/AMA 9:25:02 AM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:37:19 1999 Return-Path: ztyrlik@XXXXXX Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24542 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA24170 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 14:37:13 UT Received: from porky (porky.ascend.com [192.207.23.83]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23211 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com From: "Zbigniew Tyrlik" To: Subject: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:35:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Folks, usually I stay away from this subject. This time I think it is worthy reading..... http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm _zjt From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:45:06 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24734 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Thu, 9 Sep 99 14:42:51 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa001nb; Thu, 09 Sep 99 14:42:48 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:42:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: 2000 models Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:42:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) why are NONE of the links ppl are sending out for the italian site working for me? Would someone PLEASE go there, cut and paste the address(url) into a mail msg and send that to me? That way I'm sure there are no typos and it's complete... Ugh.. the torment.. > -----Original Message----- > > For the best photos of the Y2K sport models from Honda, go to > the Italian > site: > > www.hondaitalia.it > > The US Honda site is a mess. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 11:06:31 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25151 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22955; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:05:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990909105611.01643f00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:05:34 -0400 To: "Zbigniew Tyrlik" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Cc: In-Reply-To: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:35 AM 9/9/99 , Zbigniew Tyrlik wrote: >Folks, usually I stay away from this subject. This time I think it is worthy >reading..... > > http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm "For many bikers, motorcycling with a helmet is like surfing without an ocean. " Bullshit. I like my helmet - so do a lot of other bikers. I would wear one regardless of the helmet laws. Doesn't mean I support helmet laws.... "During the seven-year period from 1987 through 1993, states with no helmet laws or partial helmet laws (for riders under 21) suffered fewer deaths (2.89) per 100 accidents than those states with full helmet laws (2.93 deaths)." Sounds like a warped statistic somewhere. Those are not the findings that the Hurt study presented. "In helmet-law states, there exists a reciprocal relationship between death due to head trauma and death due to neck injury. That is, a four-pound helmet might save the head, but the force is then transferred to the neck." This, I believe without a doubt. Nice new email addy there ZBig. How does it feel to be working for Lucent now? We used to work with AT&T a lot - unbelievably big bureaucracy. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 11:18:19 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25400 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oOSWa03769 (3981); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:17:37 EDT Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: ztyrlik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/9/99 10:47:13 AM, ztyrlik@XXXXXX writes: >http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm that is a beautifully constructed argument! :D but I still like helmets for preventing bugs from suiciding on my face (YUCK!) :D and for preventing gravel from flying up on the freeway and cutting my face (has actually happened) ... although a lighter faceshield-type-thing could conceivable work for those purposes.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 11:55:26 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@XXXXXX [216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26107 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [216.181.79.203]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA10050 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:55:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:55:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:17:37 EDT > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > To: ztyrlik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. > > > In a message dated 9/9/99 10:47:13 AM, ztyrlik@XXXXXX writes: > > >http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm > > that is a beautifully constructed argument! :D > but I still like helmets for preventing bugs from suiciding on my face > (YUCK!) :D > and for preventing gravel from flying up on the freeway and cutting my face > (has actually happened) ... although a lighter faceshield-type-thing could > conceivable work for those purposes.... Safety is a myth. The world stopped being a safe place for each and every one of us the moment we left the womb. Living is inherently an unsafe sport that involes some amount of risk, and always ends up with someone dying. All we can possibly do at this point is to pick which risks we feel comfortable taking. I take the risk of riding a motorcycle, I do not take the risk of riding without a helmet, even if that in theory, raises my risk of neck injury. As noted, having that helmet reduces my risk of bugs, rocks, cigarrette butts, wind-noise, etc... all of which I find to make my ride more enjoyable and less risky. Safety is a myth. Wearing a helmet... wearing a 'Stitch... wearing leathers... none of that will make riding a bike "safe." In theory, less risky, but not ever safe. The article there even notes that some high percentage of bike accidents are caused by cars turning left in front of bikes. Want to help decrease the risk of riding a motorcycle? Outlaw cars and stop arguing about helmets! Again, Saftey is a myth. Spread the word. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 12:17:56 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26603 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990909161918.19210.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.103] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:19:18 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think this topic is best left to the newsgroups, I think there's probably one on this topic alone. I'm sure we could all go round and round for and against helmet laws, but i'm sure the arguments have already been made, and can be found in the newsgroups. for what it's worth, I'm for wearing a helmet, against the laws requiring it. No need to state why, see above. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 12:28:37 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26813 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990909162948.4975.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.213] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:29:48 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: D207 air pressures To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I run 36f/38r in my D207s (900rr). Don't really see why anyone would be running them at the manufacturer's maximum recommended pressure. -- tg --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! > yikes!!! those things > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the > side of the tire are > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to > be about the best > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that > and the bike would > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard > side... and if it was > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the > ride would be with the > tires that stiff... > > On the good side, those things will last forever at > 42 psi! > > Collin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 12:32:19 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26897 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23095; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:31:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990909123006.015eb600@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:31:38 -0400 To: Daniel aka ITM From: Troutman Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990909161918.19210.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:19 PM 9/9/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >I think this topic is best left to the newsgroups, I think there's >probably one on this topic alone. > >I'm sure we could all go round and round for and against helmet >laws, but i'm sure the arguments have already been made, and can >be found in the newsgroups. > >for what it's worth, I'm for wearing a helmet, against the laws >requiring it. No need to state why, see above. Daniel - every six months or so, dc-cycles goes through a helmet thread. It will last about two weeks. You can either ride the wave of emails, or get sucked in by its undertow. It only gets worse during the winter months..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 12:51:43 1999 Return-Path: dave@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27246 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11P7M5-0004yc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:47:25 -0400 Received: from david500 ([209.70.174.26]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03540 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01befae4$8cb34940$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:58:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 What an idiot! Of course helmets arent going to protect you in a 35mph impact with a car! Helmets are designed to protect you in a 13mph or lesser crash with your head and the pavement. That is the typical speed reached when you fall off your motorcycle and hit the pavement with your head. That is what a helmet protects against, the acceleration from roughly a seated hight to impact with the pavement. Racers rarely travel at speeds less than 35mph, and do you think we would ever go out on the track without a helmet? Well if I listened to him why should I bother? I may even be increasing my chance of neck injury. The only reason to advocate no helmet laws is that it takes away a persons individual freedoms. This instance that helemets do not add to safety and infact increase risk of injury is just sickening. I am stronly oppossed to helmet laws on the grounds individual freedom, but this kind of crap is exactly why I would never join an organization like ABATE. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 13:04:59 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27476 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:04:58 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA11790; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:05:26 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma011023; Thu, 9 Sep 99 13:04:40 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHS0080KY8T3B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E7.005DB01C ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:03:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:01:45 -0400 Subject: New Model Photos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E7.005DAAC2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL To anyone having trouble getting to the Honda websites: I have downloaded all of the photos from the Honda Italy website on the new VTR-SP1 (aka RVT aka RC51), the new CBR900RR, and the new XR650R. If anyone wants them, email me and I'll send them. Keep in mind that there's about twenty pics for each bike. I'll try to upload them to the dc-cycles Yahoo club shortly. Chris Weaver christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 13:17:48 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27737 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA10273; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01befae7$51494be0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <19990909162948.4975.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: D207 air pressures Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:18:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 On my VFR I have found that there recommendation works (handles) the best. Tom '86 VFR750 (with CBR F2 suspension) This is straight from Dunlop's web site: Results of Search Make: HONDA Model: CBR Search again ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 1000 F (90-91) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 120/70ZR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 170/60ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: K510, size 120/70VR17, 36 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: K510B, size 170/60VR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 1000 F (93-96) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.00x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70VR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 170/60VR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: K510F, size 120/70R17, 36 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: K510, size 170/60R17, 42 PSI Optional Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70ZR17, 42 PSI Optional Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 1100 XX (97-98) (Blackbird) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 120/70ZR17, 42 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: D205F, size 120/70ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: D205 , size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI Optional Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70ZR17, 42 PSI Optional Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 600 F (89-90) (Hurricane) Front Rim Size: 2.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 3.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: K591 Elite , size 110/80-17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: K591 Elite , size 130/80-17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: K505F, size 110/80-17, 36 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: K505 , size 130/80-17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 600 F2 (91-94) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 4.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/60ZR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 160/60ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: , size , PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: , size , PSI Optional Front Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 120/60ZR17, 36 PSI Optional Rear Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 160/60ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 600 F3 (95-98) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.00x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/60ZR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 160/60ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: D204F, size 120/60ZR17, 32 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: D204, size 160/60ZR17, 34 PSI Optional Front Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 120/60ZR17, 36 PSI Optional Rear Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 160/60ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 600 F4 (99) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70ZR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70ZR17, 36 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 900 RR (93-99) Front Rim Size: 3.50x16 Rear Rim Size: 5.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 130/70ZR16, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: , size , PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: , size , PSI ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer To: Collin T. Fagan ; Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 12:29 PM Subject: Re: D207 air pressures > I run 36f/38r in my D207s (900rr). Don't really see > why anyone would be running them at the manufacturer's > maximum recommended pressure. > > -- > tg > > --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! > > yikes!!! those things > > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the > > side of the tire are > > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to > > be about the best > > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that > > and the bike would > > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard > > side... and if it was > > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the > > ride would be with the > > tires that stiff... > > > > On the good side, those things will last forever at > > 42 psi! > > > > Collin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 14:13:57 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28935 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA29945; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:14:15 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma028803; Thu, 9 Sep 99 14:13:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHT00GK71F1OO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E7.0063F61C ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:11:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:10:37 -0400 Subject: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E7.0063F04E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I posted the pics of the new Honda sportbikes on the DCAreaRiders Yahoo club site. Check 'em out under the Photos section. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Chris Weaver '98 VTR (RC um.. 50?) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 14:54:40 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29682 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:53:36 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:53:10 -0400 Message-Id: <37D802D3.6E29BD98@trw.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:56:22 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online References: <852567E7.0063F04E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit geeez, get a look at the new VTR or RVT or whatever...It looks like Doohan's bike. mommy... -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I posted the pics of the new Honda sportbikes on the DCAreaRiders Yahoo > club site. Check 'em out under the Photos section. > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 15:36:25 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00663 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FHT003IN4R1ZA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:28:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA28763; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:26:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.227]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990909192808.LBZO618@toddnt>; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:28:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:25:27 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online In-reply-to: <852567E7.0063F04E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001101befaf9$129c0c90$abb92ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thanks for posting these Chris. I like the dash on that RC-51. Not so sure about the front end though. Is that an air intake between the headlights? I didn't see any flow ducting in the naked shots. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 2:11 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online > > > I posted the pics of the new Honda sportbikes on the DCAreaRiders Yahoo > club site. Check 'em out under the Photos section. > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR (RC um.. 50?) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 16:34:26 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01688 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2HJHJz7Xv_ (4532); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:33:48 EDT Subject: Helmet issues To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: AAABATE@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Three points: 1. NHTSA has signed a letter saying that they do not approve helmets. Anyone wanting a copy, send me a fax number or an address. 2. Maryland's helmet protest run will be October 10th from the Anne Arundel County Fair Grounds. 3. The helmet is not the issue - don't get sucked into that debate. The more basic issue is that: a. In Maryland's case, the legislature imposed the helmet law as a means for qualify for additional federal funding. b. That blackmail provision is no longer in place. c. Maryland criminalizes individual discretion to qualify for federal funds. d. All of us, whether we use helmets or not, should oppose the practice described in c. above. Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel County Chapter (By the way, for those of you who are unhappy with ABATE, contact me. Chances are that you have run into someone outside the mainstream and I'd like a chance to set the record straight. Bill Gawthrop, 410-451-2610) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 16:35:22 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01767 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-191.patriot.net [209.249.180.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA28744; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: <37D818C7.2DBE1454@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:29:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zbigniew Tyrlik CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. References: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Lies, damn lies, and statistics" - Samual Clemens Another stat twisting to support a flimsy plea for no helmet. ABATE also spends an enormous amount of time and energy railing against gun laws and supporting concealed carry permits. That bullshit got so mundane I quit going to meetings. I have a use to be nice Shoei helmet that you're welcome to examine. It was on my head when a left turner nailed me. I flew headfirst over his car and hit the pavement headfirst. The rider behind me saw gel coat flipping thru the air and figured I was a dead guy. Since I didn't even blink out on impact, I got to hear the fibreglass/kevlar laminate crunching. Now y`all can pull stats out your ass til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. Risk reduction is the name of the riding gear game. I'm sure that those who have fallen off thier mounts will back me up. Helmets are cheaper than heads. Leather slides better than skin. Lexan eats bugs and dirt. Bill Zbigniew Tyrlik wrote: > Folks, usually I stay away from this subject. This time I think it is worthy > reading..... > > http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm > > _zjt From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 16:41:28 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01840 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06765; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: dlroy@XXXXXX Subject: FS: standard and dualsport Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My brother's getting a new bike so the old ones must go: 1998 Yamaha XT350 - $2800 Aprox. 2500 miles Clarke 4 gallon plastic gas tank (Still have stock tank) Supertrapp Internal Disc Exhaust Aluminum Bars 1990 Yamaha YX600 Radian - $1500 Aprox. 8500 miles New 4 into 1 Jardine Exhaust (Still have stock exhaust) New Rifle Nightflight Fairing (Color matched) New Drag Bars (still have stock bars) New Progressive Shocks & Fork Springs Darrell Roy home email: dlroy@XXXXXX work email: darrell.l.roy@XXXXXX home: 301-856-9210 work: 202-514-6918 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 16:51:40 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02108 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:50:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199909091650.AA308936948@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Bill Huson" CC: Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > I'm sure that those who have fallen off thier mounts will back > me up. Helmets are cheaper than heads. Leather slides better than > skin. Bill, I'm with you. Having done a little stint in the Asphalt Inspection Program myself, I have trouble believing folks who claim helmets impair anything and lead to neck injuries. Hell, I landed forehead first, bent my neck so far back I bruised my shoulders between the shoulder blades, and got up and rode away from the accident with just a little nosebleed. Sure beat the hell out of a concussion, or worse. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 18:35:38 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04215 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Marina (adus3-ppp63.sco.COM [132.147.175.63]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id SAA01323 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990909183645.00963310@pop.mail.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:38:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Nick??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Nick, of the red Duc 748, if you're still around, email me off-list, I wanted to ask you something non-moto related. Thanks, Grant From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 18:55:26 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04491 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990909225703.23424.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.103] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:57:03 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Track Day Results To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > riding of course but I couldn't pass up the $50 for cornerworking. > I did get > to ride my new SV650 around the cold track a few times. Sweet! It > was great > to see everyone there and I look forward to the next one. > > -- > Randy Moran $50 AND you get to ride around the track, cool... (not to mention watch). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 19:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05350 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:38:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1VBTa01400 (4251); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:54 EDT Subject: Misperceptions about ABATE To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 In a message dated 99-09-09 16:42:05 EDT, you write: << ABATE also spends an enormous amount of time and energy railing against gun laws and supporting concealed carry permits. That bullshit got so mundane I quit going to meetings. >> Unfortunately, some members of ABATE get sidetracked on other coalition issues. However, ABATE's singular focus is on rider issues; not other coalition issues. Riders who are disenchanted with non-riding issues are invited to direct their concerns to me and I will provide the quiet, behind the scenes, feed back to the chapter concerned that their members are focused on riding issues; not 2nd Amendment issues. Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel County Chapter. Home phone: 410-451-2610. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 20:27:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06241 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA29048 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA12755 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JD6201md@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 9STSa09400 (8009); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9ce42226.2509aa4d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:26:53 EDT Subject: Vintage Run -- Sunday 9/12/99 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 11:00 AM Vintage Run / Poker Run Western Maryland Motorcycle Assoc. Loc: Community Park, (RT 806 just off US-15) Thurmont, MD. Info: Jack Pearre (410) 775-7209 If anyone is interested in some of the machines from yesteryear, I'd recommend this Sunday's event in Thurmont. I've enjoyed it the last several years as I get to see some of the bikes that revive some of my fondest memories. They get a pretty good turn-out usually, particularly with good weather. I go even though I don't have a really old bike. And the prizes after the ride are pretty good too. See you there! -- Jeff '84 Venture Royale From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 20:47:08 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06615 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-47.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FHT00KDUJHUNF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:48:44 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: FS - =?iso-8859-1?Q?=9289?= Kawasaki ZX-7 To: DC cycles list Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <37D85569.CE099E33@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en For Sale ’89 Kawasaki ZX-7 Ninja Here is a picture of the bike in race trim: ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/r_moran.jpg Bike is located in Northern Virginia Former race bike, safety wired and ready for track or street. * Progressive Springs * Fox Twin-Clicker Shock * Extra race fairings and windscreen * Shop Manual * Some spare parts * Extra pipe (Vance and Hines) Well-maintained and very fast. WERA Vintage Six legal. Must sell to finance newer race bike. This bike is presently Street-legal, with mirrors, headlights, brake lights, and signals and pristine stock bodywork. $2800 takes it Contact Randy Moran via email Email rajmoran@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:08:43 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06964 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:08:42 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA15472 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:08:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday ride Message-ID: <19990909210837.B15459@kleks.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Kirk Roy on Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 04:41:17PM -0400 Any plans for Saturday ride ? (moderate pace, no wheelies, quite often getting lost, sometimes I end up on a gravel road... )... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:11:12 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07015 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990910011239.7236.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:12:39 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: D207 pressures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greg, Fully loaded I can see going to higher pressures... makes sense. I was more wondering on Tom's high pressures which he responded about.. I've always found tire pressures to vary greatly to the conditions and road types.... the asphalt out in oregon was waay different than in VA and of course temps vary as well so I found myself always adjusting pressures to conditions, but never found a condition where greater than 38 felt good at all... but if it's working for you... and it sounds like Tom's is :) then use it! lol CT === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:12:46 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.res.cw.net (pm03sm.res.cw.net [204.71.33.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07091 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dawnjon (usr51-dialup360.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.198.242]) by PM03SM.RES.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0FHT002SFKNKS1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:11:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:09:11 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Track Day Results To: "John C. Kozyn" , DC Cycles Message-id: <00c901befb07$9bf32a60$f2c63ea6@dawnjon> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <37D74807.4D76@mnsinc.com> John, too bad you couldn't make it out. You would have had a blast! Kinda like a mofo ride w/o the cops, traffic and double yellow passes, but with 10x the excitement. The only down side was the no passing rule except for the straights. That's a bummer when your pushing 45-50hp and expected to pull past 90+hp monsters. Not gonna happen. Had fun showing a few of the bigger bikes a wheel in 3, 9 and 10, though. 8^) Can't say enough for the help I got from fellow DC Cycles listers. I got lots of advice, tips and informative race talk. The control riders(mostly am. and expert racers) where excellent with riding tips and helpfull with the lines around the track. Fun fun fun! Damn, I'm ready to get back on the track! Jon 88' HawkGT > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > > Well, as most of you know, there was a track day at Summit Point yesterday. > > I and several other listers participated, either by riding or > > cornerworking. > > --> snip <-- > > Thanks for posting this Chris. It was very interesting. I'm thinking of > doing Track day (prolly next spring) and I appreciated reading your > insights. > > > I was worried initially about the prospect of > > crashing my bike, but despite my excursion into the gravel, I feel I was > > never on the ragged edge of control. I always felt confident about my > > safety level. I wouldn't have any misgivings about doing another track day > > in the future. It was a blast! > > Excellent. Was this with the repaving or is that happening later this > month? > > > From: Brian Roach > > --> snip <-- > > > It seems I only crash on practice days, and those are done for the year :) > > Having some corner working experience, that does sound like you hit > pretty hard Brian. Glad your OK... It still scares the shit out of me > momentarily to see a rider go down. > > > From: Randy Moran > > --> snip <-- > > > All in all it was an excellent day at the track. I would rather have been > > riding of course but I couldn't pass up the $50 for cornerworking. I did get > > to ride my new SV650 around the cold track a few times. Sweet! It was great > > to see everyone there and I look forward to the next one. > > I'm there next spring. Riding - not corner working. And I'm glad a $50 > stipend was paid to corner workers. (How come I never got paid? ;) > > Anyway, thanks to you guys for sharing your (various) impressions. I > enjoyed it. > > JK > 95 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:17:54 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07196 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2JPIcEd7j_ (4424) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e0a89c4.2509b613@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:17:07 EDT Subject: The Zells vs. The Washington Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Did anyone else see Tom and Jeanette in the marriage announcements in Wednesday's Post?!? They were so cute! But no motorcycles in the background...... -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:21:15 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07307 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990910012319.23499.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:23:19 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii no comment on the laws issue... >From a racers standpoint (former motoX and current roadracer) I can attest that kneck injuries sure don't fit that high of a statistic!! The only neck injury I've ever received is the persistent stiff neck from my highside in ohio a month ago, and I landed about as direct on my head as you can... would most likely be dead without the lid! If anyone has an interest, sometime tomorrow I can snap a fwe digital pics of all three lids that I thrashed this year and comment on the results, etc.... Collin (3 helmets destroyed this season and counting!!) === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:37:10 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07612 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0206.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.238]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA08765; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D88CF8.1FA8@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:45:44 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Subject: D207 air pressures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the > tires that stiff... > On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! Hmmm, here's something I didn't know. High pressures make for increased tire wear? I was thinking that higher pressure would enable the tires to break traction more easily thereby wearing away the rubber faster. Why would lower pressures cause less wear? I believe you Collin, I'm just want to know why :) JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:02:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08105 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29356 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:32 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15454 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vUDYa28682 (4466) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:30 EDT Subject: sat. ride. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Im for something, although, cant promise no wheelies. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:13:45 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA08303 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990910021400.5310.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:14:00 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Subject: D207 air pressures To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "John C. Kozyn" wrote: > > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > > > > Hmmm, here's something I didn't know. High pressures make for > increased > tire wear? Where you getting that from?? :) I'm just saying that when I've gone too high on pressure, I can't ride as fast as I like to cause the bike starts sliding.. which is something I prefer to save for the track 9no wise cracks from The Brain on that one...err, eumm 211 a few years ago :)) They'll probably last longer at the higher pressures, but I think you give up performance...ya gotta pay to play :) Higher pressures keep the tire from heating up as easily...I run lower pressures but pay for it in wear.... (anyone ever see a yamaha cruiser wear out the outside edges before the centers??? lol the maxim is nearing the end of the first set of IRC's... he he he damn fine tires for cheapies.. better than the comparable dunnies in my opinion...actually, they are about the same price, so I can't really call them cheapies...butI ramble..) And for the life of me, I haven't figured out at all why almost all of the dunlop info Tom posted recommended a 6 psi pressure bias to the rear tire?!?!?! weird... I use about a one pund bias to the rear on the race bike to put a tad more weight on the front to ease out the shakies...except nelson ledges.. that track eats fronts, so you run 32 front and 30 rear there (race comps of course) CT I was thinking that higher pressure would enable the tires > to > break traction more easily thereby wearing away the rubber faster. > Why > would lower pressures cause less wear? > > I believe you Collin, I'm just want to know why :) > > JK > === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:44:10 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08797 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0206.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.238]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA09863; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D89CB1.8F3@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:52:49 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Schumer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Track Day Results References: <37D74807.4D76@mnsinc.com> <00c901befb07$9bf32a60$f2c63ea6@dawnjon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Schumer wrote: > John, too bad you couldn't make it out. You would have had a blast! Kinda > like a mofo ride w/o the cops, traffic and double yellow passes, but with > 10x the excitement. Yeah, that excitement factor does turn me on too Jon, I gotta admit :) Remember, everything changed for me after riding Mid-Ohio's track during the CSS class in July. I had such a blast and now every time I ride on the street on some of my favorite urban hooligan curves (Columbia Pike esses, Rt 27 and I-395 ramps) I seem to be improving - even while wishing I was on that ZX6-R again :) Curious thing is that after the cornering school I'm now turning to the right better (harder anyway) than the left, when the reverse was true before the class (!) > The only down side was the no passing rule except for the straights. That's > a bummer when your pushing 45-50hp and expected to pull past 90+hp monsters. > Not gonna happen. Had fun showing a few of the bigger bikes a wheel in 3, 9 > and 10, though. 8^) > Can't say enough for the help I got from fellow DC Cycles listers. I got > lots of advice, tips and informative race talk. The control riders(mostly > am. and expert racers) where excellent with riding tips and helpfull with > the lines around the track. That is key. I felt so comfortable following that Kobie dude (Keith Code's main man on a 'stealth' ZX9-R) at M-O I wished I could ride behind him all day. On our rides I feel similarly following some of our speedier brethren. Not sure why that works for me. I'd prefer that I don't need anyone, but I know I have much to learn. > Fun fun fun! Damn, I'm ready to get back on the track! I'll be there in the spring Jon, trying to catch up to you (except in the straights of course ;) I'm looking forward to seeing the new Summit Point! JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:50:11 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08999 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21739; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01befb37$4e2d0960$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , References: <1e0a89c4.2509b613@aol.com> Subject: Re: The Zells vs. The Washington Post Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:50:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Hey... I wanted the VFRs and the Pit Bulls in the wedding pictures but the wife wouldn't go for it! ;-) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 9:17 PM Subject: The Zells vs. The Washington Post > Did anyone else see Tom and Jeanette in the marriage announcements in > Wednesday's Post?!? They were so cute! But no motorcycles in the > background...... > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:55:25 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09021 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-71.patriot.net [209.249.180.71]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA01380; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:55:18 -0400 Message-ID: <37D871DA.F32ECA8B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:50:02 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Subject: D207 air pressures References: <19990910021400.5310.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure the tire compound for race tires is different than touring tires. The center tread is usually harder than the side tread, but race tire probably have less ofa differance as they need sticky on th edges. Tourers don't spend much time there and are probably sticker to keep us slow and easy guys and gals out of trouble when we do crank them over hard. But I'm guessing. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > (anyone ever see a yamaha cruiser wear out the outside edges before the > centers??? lol the maxim is nearing the end of the first set of > IRC's... he he he damn fine tires for cheapies.. better than the > comparable dunnies in my opinion...actually, they are about the same > price, so I can't really call them cheapies...butI ramble..) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 23:20:48 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09504 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0206.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.238]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA10495; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D8A548.285D@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:29:29 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Subject: D207 air pressures References: <19990910021400.5310.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > Hmmm, here's something I didn't know. High pressures make for > > increased > > tire wear? > Where you getting that from?? :) I'm just saying that when I've gone > too high on pressure, I can't ride as fast as I like to cause the bike > starts sliding.. which is something I prefer to save for the track 9no > wise cracks from The Brain on that one...err, eumm 211 a few years ago > :)) Ooops, I meant decreased tire wear, increased mileage.. duh... > They'll probably last longer at the higher pressures, but I think you > give up performance...ya gotta pay to play :) Higher pressures keep > the tire from heating up as easily...I run lower pressures but pay for > it in wear.... OK, now I get it, I think. Sorry for the confusion :) JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 23:57:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10637 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29780 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA17838 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17653 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FHT00201SBC92@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FHT00KWFSB764@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:57:32 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:56:24 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: GRPNEHI loses some fizz To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC8C3@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Well, GRPNEHI (Grape Ne-Hi) and I finally had our first mishap. And of course this happens right after I tell Janine from the COG list that I haven't dropped/fell with the new Connie yet. That all ended tonight of course. Don't really know what I could have done different so here's the story and you tell me. On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays during our scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. Everyday, rain or shine, I cross these tracks. Well, tonight I sort of slid across the 1st set of tracks near the Jenny Dean school on Wellington Road in Manassas. I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, the pavement is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits the track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a stop but we are still falling to I pretty much jump off. Bike lands on the right side. So here I am sitting in the middle of the tracks with a bike that has a full tank of gas wondering how I'm going to pick it up. I put down the kick stand and attempt to lift the bike. Can't quite get it over the top but my knight in shining armor stops in his Chysler Town& County mini-van and helps me get it the rest of the way. If I had a grab spot like on the left side, I think I might have been able to get it myself but there's nothing on right that's really solid enough near the handle bars to lift on and my arm span from handlebars to passenger grab rail is very limited. I think know what I did, I under-estimate the slippery-ness of the track and had it angled in such a way it slid. All my fault. I know it had rained - learning all the time. Anyways, damage report - scratch on the mirror from the 3 point stand it did. There's too much mud and dirt on the faring too see but I couldn't feel any scratches - nothing on the saddlebag. The soft wet wood must have took the impact. As for me, I got a splinter and cracked a fingernail. My knight, well he hates motorcycles and I just reaffirmed his beliefs. Dale, of course, knows nothing of this as he slumbers - think I should tell him? Guess it can wait till morning. 'Night! Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 Pager: (800) 404-3758 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 00:12:11 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA10889 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25063 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 04:14:09 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 04:14:08 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19613; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199909100415.AAA19613@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:56:22 -0400 Randy Moran wrote: >geeez, get a look at the new VTR or RVT or whatever...It looks like Doohan's >bike. >mommy... Liked the VTR,didn't like the X11. They should've styled it closer to the CB1000. Even better if they gave it a CB900F-style paint job like that project bike in _MC_ the other year. BTW,Moto Online also has pics and a write-up: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/y2kmodels.html The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 00:32:47 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11394 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5282 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 04:34:50 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 04:34:50 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA20781; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:36:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:36:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199909100436.AAA20781@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:25:27 -0400 Todd Peer wrote: >I like the dash on that RC-51. Not so sure about the front end though. Is >that an air intake between the headlights? I didn't see any flow ducting in >the naked shots. Yep,check out the pics on MO. Acts as both intake and fairing stay. There's also a cool pic of the new exhaust valve and headers on the RR. Very sano. Best exhaust plumbing I've seen since the old CB400F. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 04:49:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA16835 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA09538 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA23965 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990910085121.22490.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.103] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:51:21 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: sat. ride. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If the ride stays in Maryland, count me in. --- CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Im for something, although, cant promise no wheelies. > > Sean... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 06:09:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18095 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA10002 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA25460 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA20994 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:08:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: GRPNEHI loses some fizz In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC8C3@EMSS09M05> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays during our > scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. snip > I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, the pavement > is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits > the track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a > stop but we are still falling to I pretty much jump off. It sounds like you should've rolled on the throttle and not gotten on the brakes. Even at low speed braking will transfer weight to the front - exactly where you don't want it. As the saying goes, "when in doubt, gas it". That could've potentially stood the bike back up. Also, try to hit the tracks as close to a 90 degree angle as possible. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 07:19:37 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19223 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust033.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.33]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA21789 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:20:21 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990910070751.006ab774@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:07:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. In-Reply-To: <37D818C7.2DBE1454@patriot.net> References: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No one is asking you to give up your helmet. The reason for the protest is to allow us to use our own judgement in determining when it is appropriate to wear one. Repealing the helmet law will NOT make it illegal to wear a helmet in Maryland. Leon who also supports ABATE on the 2d amendment issues. At 04:29 PM 9/9/99 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: . . . >Now y`all can pull stats out your ass >til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 08:15:09 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20235 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-40.patriot.net [209.249.180.40]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA30950; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37D8F4FB.D697781E@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:09:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. References: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> <3.0.3.32.19990910070751.006ab774@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How cool. Would you also support a *2nd amendment* issue such as removing the requirement that personal watercraft riders must wear flotation vests? How about eye protection on bikes? Seat belt laws? Child seat laws? And how about those ridiculous laws that one must be clothed in public. I luv to let my skin breath. Bill - waxing sarcastic :-) Leon Begeman wrote: > No one is asking you to give up your helmet. The reason for the protest is > to allow us to use our own judgement in determining when it is appropriate > to wear one. Repealing the helmet law will NOT make it illegal to wear a > helmet in Maryland. > > Leon > who also supports ABATE on the 2d amendment issues. > > At 04:29 PM 9/9/99 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: > > . . . > >Now y`all can pull stats out your ass > >til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 08:52:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21399 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10516 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28017 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FHU0084JH3QB7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA15649; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:51:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990910125237.EIJX28646@[166.41.251.160]>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:49:49 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: GRPNEHI loses some fizz In-reply-to: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC8C3@EMSS09M05> To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <000001befb8a$f7d6a310$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal So now will you call it GRPANKLHI ? D'oh! Sorry about the tipover. If it felt anything like my spillway incident you were probably thinking, "what the...I don't want to go that way!" Hope the damage turns out to be very minimal. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Tracy L [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:56 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: GRPNEHI loses some fizz > > > Well, GRPNEHI (Grape Ne-Hi) and I finally had our first mishap. And of > course this happens right after I tell Janine from the COG list that I > haven't dropped/fell with the new Connie yet. That all ended tonight of > course. Don't really know what I could have done different so here's the > story and you tell me. > > On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays during our > scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. > Everyday, rain or shine, I cross these tracks. Well, tonight I > sort of slid > across the 1st set of tracks near the Jenny Dean school on Wellington Road > in Manassas. I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, > the pavement > is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits the > track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a > stop but we > are still falling to I pretty much jump off. Bike lands on the > right side. > So here I am sitting in the middle of the tracks with a bike that > has a full > tank of gas wondering how I'm going to pick it up. I put down the kick > stand and attempt to lift the bike. Can't quite get it over the > top but my > knight in shining armor stops in his Chysler Town& County > mini-van and helps > me get it the rest of the way. If I had a grab spot like on the > left side, > I think I might have been able to get it myself but there's > nothing on right > that's really solid enough near the handle bars to lift on and my arm span > from handlebars to passenger grab rail is very limited. > I think know what I did, I under-estimate the slippery-ness of > the track and > had it angled in such a way it slid. All my fault. I know it > had rained - > learning all the time. > Anyways, damage report - scratch on the mirror from the 3 point stand it > did. There's too much mud and dirt on the faring too see but I couldn't > feel any scratches - nothing on the saddlebag. The soft wet > wood must have > took the impact. As for me, I got a splinter and cracked a > fingernail. My > knight, well he hates motorcycles and I just reaffirmed his > beliefs. Dale, > of course, knows nothing of this as he slumbers - think I should tell him? > Guess it can wait till morning. 'Night! > > Tracy > Tracy L. Horstman From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 08:52:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21402 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10519 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28019 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FHU0084NH3RB7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA16296; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:48:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990910125238.EIKB28646@[166.41.251.160]>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:49:51 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: GRPNEHI loses some fizz In-reply-to: To: Kirk Roy , "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <000101befb8a$f8e83a20$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Wait a minute Kirk. What about all that talk about practicing your slides? ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays > during our > > scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. > snip > > I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, the pavement > > is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits > > the track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a > > stop but we are still falling to I pretty much jump off. > > It sounds like you should've rolled on the throttle and not gotten on the > brakes. Even at low speed braking will transfer weight to the front - > exactly where you don't want it. As the saying goes, "when in doubt, gas > it". That could've potentially stood the bike back up. Also, try to hit > the tracks as close to a 90 degree angle as possible. > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > 1984 Honda XR350 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 08:58:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21516 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10534 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28146 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA15811; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:57:50 -0400 To: Daniel aka ITM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sat. ride. Message-ID: <19990910085750.A15807@kleks.org> References: <19990910085121.22490.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990910085121.22490.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>; from Daniel aka ITM on Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 01:51:21AM -0700 * Daniel aka ITM (itm_2k@XXXXXX) [990910 07:01]: > If the ride stays in Maryland, count me in. > Um... I live on West side of DC, 4 miles from Leesburg. Most likely we will do WV loop, around 33-250-219, leaving Burger King on Countryside ( Next to Regal Cinemas ) at 08:00. Lenghts of the ride 200+ miles (be warned, this + can mean another 150 miles :-). > --- CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Im for something, although, cant promise no wheelies. > > > > Sean... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 09:07:00 1999 Return-Path: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21696 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:06:59 -0400 (EDT) From: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from rcover (adsl-151-200-23-94.bellatlantic.net [151.200.23.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28360 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990910090325.007d0380@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: rcover@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:03:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GRPNEHI loses some fizz In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC8C3@EMSS09M05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:56 PM 9/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >Anyways, damage report - scratch on the mirror from the 3 point stand it >did. There's too much mud and dirt on the faring too see but I couldn't >feel any scratches - nothing on the saddlebag. The soft wet wood must have >took the impact. As for me, I got a splinter and cracked a fingernail. Glad to hear you're alright and had minimal damage to the bike. I look at it this way, now the bike is officially broken in. I dropped my 98 Connie the night I brought it home from the dealer. Looking at it this way was the only way I could deal with the fact I just dropped my brand new bike. >I think I might have been able to get it myself but there's nothing on right >that's really solid enough near the handle bars to lift on and my arm span >from handlebars to passenger grab rail is very limited. Due to a previous post from Dale (I think it was on the COG list), I know I'm about 2" taller than you. My wing span is long enough to reach handlebar to grab rail and lift the bike. But the bike is heavy and I basically have to do a "squat" lift. >I think know what I did, I under-estimate the slippery-ness of the track and >had it angled in such a way it slid. All my fault. I know it had rained - >learning all the time. I believe your right about the angle. You want to cross those things at as close to 90 degrees as possible. Plus rolling on the throttle instead of hitting the brakes may have helped. Rick Cover 98 Concours COG 3167 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 09:15:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21863 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10686 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28494 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199909100915.AA275382666@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles'" , "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: Re: GRPNEHI loses some fizz X-Mailer: Hi, Tracy. Sorry to hear about your tipover. So where'd you get that spinter, anyway? Folks tell me that righting a big bike can be easier if you back in to it -- catch the seat just above your butt and push up and back with your legs. Since you asked -- the only thing I can think of to do differently is to cross the tracks at more of a right angle and/or just expect the tire to slip a little, and ride to accommodate that. Commuting in and out of DC gets real interesting in the rain. There are metal expansion joints on many bridges, overpasses, and ramps - often in a turn. I reduce my lean angle as much as practical, and just expect the tire to slip on the joint then hook back up on the pavement. best, ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:56:24 -0400 >Well, GRPNEHI (Grape Ne-Hi) and I finally had our first mishap. And of course this happens right after I tell Janine from the COG list that I haven't dropped/fell with the new Connie yet. That all ended tonight of course. Don't really know what I could have done different so here's the story and you tell me. On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays during our scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. Everyday, rain or shine, I cross these tracks. Well, tonight I sort of slid across the 1st set of tracks near the Jenny Dean school on Wellington Road in Manassas. I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, the pavement is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits the track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a stop but we are still falling to I pretty much jump off. Bike lands on the right side. So here I am sitting in the middle of the tracks with a bike that has a full tank of gas wondering how I'm going to pick it up. I put down the kick stand and attempt to lift the bike. Can't quite get it over the top but my knight in shining armor stops in his Chysler Town& County mini-van and helps me get it the rest of the way. If I had a grab spot like on the left side, I think I might have been able to get it myself but there's nothing on right that's really solid enough near the handle bars to lift on and my arm span from handlebars to passenger grab rail is very limited. I think know what I did, I under-estimate the slippery-ness of the track and had it angled in such a way it slid. All my fault. I know it had rained - learning all the time. Anyways, damage report - scratch on the mirror from the 3 point stand it did. There's too much mud and dirt on the faring too see but I couldn't feel any scratches - nothing on the saddlebag. The soft wet wood must have took the impact. As for me, I got a splinter and cracked a fingernail. My knight, well he hates motorcycles and I just reaffirmed his beliefs. Dale, of course, knows nothing of this as he slumbers - think I should tell him? Guess it can wait till morning. 'Night! Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 Pager: (800) 404-3758 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 09:19:15 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user77.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.77]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21882 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567E8.004942E6 ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:20:12 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Thomas and Jeannette" cc: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567E8.00494283.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:51 -0400 Subject: Re: The Zells vs. The Washington Post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline LIAR! LOL Zeus would've eaten the photographer, not to mention ruin my dress! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Thomas and Jeannette" on 09/09/99 10:50:55 PM To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: The Zells vs. The Washington Post Hey... I wanted the VFRs and the Pit Bulls in the wedding pictures but the wife wouldn't go for it! ;-) Tom From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 10:00:38 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f69.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22622 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24278 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 14:00:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910140005.24277.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.122.252.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:00:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.122.252.48] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:00:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Anybody riding this Sunday?. The U.S. Grand Prix of motocross is at Budds Creek if anyone is interested. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 10:13:12 1999 Return-Path: chris@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22789 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:13:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199909101013.AA178520678@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: For Sale - 1989 BMW K100LT (ABS) X-Mailer: For sale - ********************************************************************* 1989 BMW K100LT (ABS) Dark Blue, 87K, $4,900. All new splines (clutch, input shaft, drive shaft, final drive), new battery & tires, radio/cassette, factory alarm, saddlebags & trunk, 2 extra windshields, K-Heat guards. Chris, Falls Church, VA (703)534-1510, chris@XXXXXX ********************************************************************* thanks, -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 10:50:49 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23525 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:41:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RVT... still drooling.. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:35:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Damn, just read the MO report... ram air that goes THROUGH the frame/headstock! How cool (and $$$) is that? I can feel my bank account begging for mercy even now.. I wonder if we can get the black/silver/red combo with black frame/swingarm... or if it'll be the 'traditional' looking frame.... ok, I'm go back and drool somemore. Anyone wanna loan me about $4k? I could buy one straight-up then.. ;) Brian McCoy (drooling and fantasizing about the FIRST Honda bike that's affordable and will be supported impressively by HRC since my beloved 86/87 VFR series) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 10:52:13 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23545 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03969; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:51:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990910104929.01452b40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:50:02 -0400 To: Bill Huson From: Troutman Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Cc: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <37D8F4FB.D697781E@patriot.net> References: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> <3.0.3.32.19990910070751.006ab774@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:09 AM 9/10/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >How cool. Would you also support a *2nd amendment* issue such as removing the >requirement that personal watercraft riders must wear flotation vests? How >about eye protection on bikes? Seat belt laws? Child seat laws? And how about >those ridiculous laws that one must be clothed in public. I luv to let my skin >breath. Yes. Yes. Yes. No. Maybe - women only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 13:41:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26517 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12655 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08530 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04355; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990910134038.013eef00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Tough Luck (NVFR) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Poetic Justice: Police Suspended For Speeding LONDON (Reuters) - In a ruling likely to bring a smile to most drivers, a Welsh court has suspended three policemen from riding their motorbikes for speeding. Officials said the North Wales police officers were banned from the roads for 28 days after riding at 110 mph -- well beyond the 70-mph national speed limit -- in the middle of a motorcycle safety campaign. But the men got off relatively lightly. A civilian caught traveling over the 100 mph mark can expect either a hefty fine or a ban that could stretch to five years. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 17:30:35 1999 Return-Path: vas@XXXXXX Received: from BLAISE (integ.com [207.32.114.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00808 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vas-nt (VAS-NT.integ.com [172.16.1.39]) by BLAISE with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id SQ1N193V; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:29:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Richard Holman" From: "Vas Majer" To: , Subject: HighlandCountyBenefitMotorcycleTour Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:28:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001401befbd3$73a30f90$270110ac@vas-nt.integ.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Highland County Benefit Motorcycle Tour Monterey, Virginia Date: Sunday, 19 September 1999 Time: 12 noon::4pm Place: Highland Inn Main Street Monterey, Virginia Info: secrets@XXXXXX 540.474.3333 evening 540.468.2031 day Join Tooth and Link, the infamous Sprocket Brothers, [hosts of the BikerShow on WVLS 89.7fm, Voice of the Virginia Western Highlands] on a Motorcycle Tour to benefit victims of a home fire in Highland County. Departing from Monterey's historic Highland Inn, Tooth and Link will lead a motorcycle tour on some of the twistiest asphalt through some of most beautiful mountain country on the east coast. Voluntary donations to benefit the fire victims will be gratefully accepted. Tooth Sprocket Link Sprocket From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 17:35:54 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00899 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (granth@localhost) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with SMTP id RAA01587; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: sv650@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SV for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Extraneous circumstances forcing sale. 99 SV650 20W fork oil w/spacers (MUCH improved over stock). TBR full exhaust, still have original. Dynojet jet kit... jetting still needs a little sorting, but the mains are on. Buell windscreen. Broken in gently, oil changed at 500 and 1000 miles. Just changed oil w/Mobil 1, so you'll be good to go. Only 3000 miles. Call (703) 435-1946 to talk. ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 19:02:46 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02366 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (216-164-132-27.s281.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.132.27]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23557; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01befbdf$c571c940$1b84a4d8@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , References: <19990909210837.B15459@kleks.org> Subject: Re: Saturday ride Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:56:49 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My buddy Kevin and I are interested in riding on Saturday. I need to break in my new tires. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 9:08 PM Subject: Saturday ride > Any plans for Saturday ride ? > (moderate pace, no wheelies, quite often getting lost, sometimes I end > up on a gravel road... )... > > > _zjt > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird C43 AMG - Silver > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 19:11:28 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02477 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA03580 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:11:10 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:54:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFBBD.F5E57940.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: GRPNEHI loses some fizz Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:54:49 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ouch! Glad to hear your OK. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Horstman, Tracy L [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:56 PM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: GRPNEHI loses some fizz Well, GRPNEHI (Grape Ne-Hi) and I finally had our first mishap. And of course this happens right after I tell Janine from the COG list that I haven't dropped/fell with the new Connie yet. That all ended tonight of course. Don't really know what I could have done different so here's the story and you tell me. snip Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 Pager: (800) 404-3758 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 20:45:17 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04078 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-205.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.205]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA20037 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:45:12 -0400 Message-ID: <011f01befbee$b3c25c00$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:43:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011C_01BEFBCD.17BBBE80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BEFBCD.17BBBE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter = scale. Here's the story. =20 On this lovely Friday afternoon, needed to errand about 2:30p from = Alex'a OId Town to Braddock/495. South on Rte1 -- West on Beltway - = Braddock Road. =20 Pulled out of the merge lane from Rte 1 onto the Bwy, moved to middle. = Trucks around. Settled in at speed with huge one at 7 o'clock, big one = at 5, cars at 6 in rear and large flatbed with strapped 8'? wood boxes = at 12 in front. Me in the box canyon, ripe for ambush. Not = comfortable. Want to ease out. No opportunity. Decide to wait a bit. = =20 Contemplate the truck in front. Hmmm. Looks like the transverse = securing strap I can see is holding the box in the middle, not on the = end. Hmmm. Seems to be a flapping strap at the rear. Unsettling. = Hmmm. Should get out of here. Too nice a day to be still in box. = Exit-radar up a couple of notches but still settled in and cruising = well. Road smooth. =20 Whang. Keerang. Jeeezuuuz. In front a large handcart pops from among = the boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap. = Suffering Sadaam! It hits the road, does a loop, still attached. I = start to pucker. Jeeezuuuz. I'm following by two or three seconds, = still boxed, and no clue as to what this thing is going to do. Envision = pressure-welded 6-wheel bike/handcart with probable steering problems. = I flutter the brakes slowing as fast as possible and see 6's behind stay = distance. Thank God the cart still attached. It bounces a couple of = more times. 2-3 seconds pass, an eternity, but I'm now more confident = have lead time to swerve/avoid. =20 F i n a l l y, brake lights ahead come on as trouble sensed. Handcart = still bouncing, I'm still at risk, but 5 and 7 o'clock trucks are = scooting ahead and rears stay back. 5 passes the front on the right. = Front signals right, slows, and heads for shoulder, 'cart now dragging. = I downshift, WFO to pass and pitifully sound horn. Truck driver, = slowing, looks down, shrugs, smiles. I'm too glued to handlebars to = gesture. Want to get license (and driver) but going too fast in much = traffic. =20 Need stiff, stiff drink. No, too much riding left. Vow to find pill = for this condition. Continue. Dismount at this ride's end. Not = embarrassed. Lucky. Once again, no more truckin' likin' on the slabs. = Seen remnants of and now experienced too many loose loads. Worse than = roadrage. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BEFBCD.17BBBE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the record -- a = near miss at=20 about level 5 on the pucker-Richter scale.  Here's the story.  =
 
On this lovely Friday = afternoon,=20 needed to errand about 2:30p from Alex'a OId Town to Braddock/495.  = South=20 on Rte1 -- West on Beltway - Braddock Road. 
 
Pulled out of the merge lane from Rte 1 = onto the=20 Bwy, moved to middle.  Trucks around.  Settled in at speed = with huge=20 one at 7 o'clock, big one at 5, cars at 6 in rear and large flatbed with = strapped 8'? wood boxes at 12 in front.  Me in the box canyon, ripe = for=20 ambush.  Not comfortable.   Want to ease out.  No=20 opportunity.  Decide to wait a bit. 
 
Contemplate the truck in front.  = Hmmm. =20 Looks like the transverse securing strap I can see is holding the box in = the=20 middle, not on the end.  Hmmm.  Seems to be a flapping strap = at the=20 rear.  Unsettling.  Hmmm.  Should get out of here.  = Too nice=20 a day to be still in box.  Exit-radar up a couple of notches but = still=20 settled in and cruising well.  Road smooth. 
 
Whang.  Keerang.  = Jeeezuuuz.  In=20 front a large handcart pops from among the boxes and is dangling to the = right=20 flopping from the loose strap.  Suffering Sadaam!  It hits the = road,=20 does a loop, still attached.  I start to pucker.  = Jeeezuuuz.  I'm=20 following by two or three seconds, still boxed, and no clue as to what = this=20 thing is going to do.  Envision pressure-welded 6-wheel = bike/handcart with=20 probable steering problems.  I flutter the brakes slowing as fast = as=20 possible and see 6's behind stay distance.  Thank God the cart = still=20 attached.  It bounces a couple of more times.  2-3 seconds = pass, an=20 eternity, but I'm now more confident have lead time to = swerve/avoid. =20
 
F i n a l l y, brake lights ahead come = on as=20 trouble sensed.  Handcart still bouncing,  I'm still at risk, = but 5=20 and 7 o'clock trucks are scooting ahead and rears stay back.  5 = passes the=20 front on the right.  Front signals right, slows, and heads for = shoulder,=20 'cart now dragging.  I downshift, WFO to pass and pitifully sound=20 horn.  Truck driver, slowing, looks down, shrugs, smiles.  I'm = too=20 glued to handlebars to gesture.  Want to get license (and driver) = but going=20 too fast in much traffic. 
 
Need stiff, stiff drink.  No, too = much riding=20 left.  Vow to find pill for this condition.  Continue.  = Dismount=20 at this ride's end.  Not embarrassed.  Lucky.  Once = again, no=20 more truckin' likin' on the slabs.  Seen remnants of and now = experienced=20 too many loose loads.  Worse than roadrage. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me. 
Join the AMA.  = Help=20 protect my riding fun.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BEFBCD.17BBBE80-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 21:01:18 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04343 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-205.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.205]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20536 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:14 -0400 Message-ID: <012b01befbf0$f1003cc0$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet (cont.) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:59:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEFBCF.694FEBC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEFBCF.694FEBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After sending this, thought I'd once more reread. A thought I'd had on = the road reoccurred. That loose strap at the rear of the front truck = was probably meant to hold down the rear box (3 8?x8?x8?'s on the = flatbed). There would have been no hope for me in that moving blind = canyon should a bump have dislodged the rear box at 70. =20 On that I end this tale. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Yes. End this agonizing. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEFBCF.694FEBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After sending this, = thought I'd once=20 more reread.  A thought I'd had on the road reoccurred.  That = loose=20 strap at the rear of the front truck was probably meant to hold down the = rear=20 box (3 8?x8?x8?'s on the flatbed).  There would have been no hope = for me in=20 that moving blind canyon should a bump have dislodged the rear box at=20 70.   
 
On that I end this tale.  =
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Yes.  End this agonizing. 
Join the AMA.  Help = protect my=20 riding fun.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEFBCF.694FEBC0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 21:12:54 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f282.hotmail.com [209.185.130.221]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04519 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9592 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 01:06:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911010630.9591.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.254.22.68 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:06:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.254.22.68] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:06:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed AMEN!!!! I too have learned from experience. While riding stormbound on a Honda CB-650 on 14th St between Constitution and Independence some moron tried to share the far right lane with me. She pushed me into the curb and I slid/fell onto the curb then into the road. She broke my brake lever and mirrors. She also was responsible for messing up my leather jacket, boots, helmet, faceshield and gloves. I was flat on the street with lots of witnesses (20 or so) because this happened just in front of the slug line to Springfield. SHE SPLIT WITHOUT STOPPING and none of these fools got her license number! Everyone apparently was too busy looking at me. Me? I was annoyed, angry and stunned -- but no injuries and HJC replaced the helmet at no charge. I WILL NEVER RIDE WITHOUT A FULL FACE HELMET, JACKET, BOOTS, and GLOVES. They were all trashed. I even think that riding with heavy jeans is taking a real serious risk -- the trade off is serious heat. You will never catch me in shorts / T-Shirt. Never without a helmet. I really believe that "Only those with nothing to protect go without head protection". I've often heard older riders say that many of their friends stopped riding after their first crash. I wonder how many of those quitter crashers had little or nothing to protect themselves? > >I have a use to be nice Shoei helmet that you're welcome to examine. It was >on >my head when a left turner nailed me. I flew headfirst over his car and hit >the >pavement headfirst. The rider behind me saw gel coat flipping thru the air >and >figured I was a dead guy. Since I didn't even blink out on impact, I got to >hear >the fibreglass/kevlar laminate crunching. Now y`all can pull stats out your >ass >til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. > >Risk reduction is the name of the riding gear game. I'm sure that those who >have >fallen off thier mounts will back me up. Helmets are cheaper than heads. >Leather >slides better than skin. Lexan eats bugs and dirt. > >Bill > > >Zbigniew Tyrlik wrote: > > > Folks, usually I stay away from this subject. This time I think it is >worthy > > reading..... > > > > http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm > > > > _zjt > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 21:26:15 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f105.hotmail.com [209.185.131.168]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04691 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82711 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 01:25:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911012539.82710.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.254.22.68 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.254.22.68] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed All I can say is that it IS stupid to have an unlocked gun in a house with kids and its EVEN STUPIDER to ride without a lid. I really don't want to pay your medical claims through my insurance either.... Re. ABATE's BS statistic that states that have helmet laws have fewer riders...that's fine with me. If people can't ride unless they have to risk getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't. I really think that if you've never REALLY CRASHED you don't really know ANYTHING about helmets. >From: Leon Begeman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:07:51 -0400 > >No one is asking you to give up your helmet. The reason for the protest is >to allow us to use our own judgement in determining when it is appropriate >to wear one. Repealing the helmet law will NOT make it illegal to wear a >helmet in Maryland. > >Leon >who also supports ABATE on the 2d amendment issues. > >At 04:29 PM 9/9/99 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: > >. . . > >Now y`all can pull stats out your ass > >til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 21:44:52 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04999 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-182.patriot.net [209.249.180.182]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA32619; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37D9B2CF.1383AA99@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:39:27 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet References: <011f01befbee$b3c25c00$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------88041B49C9DD91B8DDFE2B78" --------------88041B49C9DD91B8DDFE2B78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trucks bite. Ever seen a trac-trailer rig sling the recap off a tire? Reason enough not to ride alongside. And rare is the dump truck that doesn't offload a few pounds of gravel everytime it hits a bump. Loose loads are danger signals. Harry Homeowner with three cheesy strings holding five sheets of plywood on the roof of his Volvo is a fave. Last month on I-395 a stake body puked up a really nice industrial duty scoop shovel. Even following a good six seconds behind it was *bounce* okay, swerve - *bounce* oh shit, swerve again.... If I hadn't been on the bike I woulda stopped and picked that shovel up. It was a tough mama. When touring timber country - beware of log trucks. I didn't see a single one that could pass a cursory inspection, and you know some goober turned it loose with "Thet load ain't gonna shift on ya, Bobby Joe, I swear." Uh huh. Good dodging, pal. Keep those skills honed. Bill mobacc wrote: > For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter > scale. Here's the story. On this lovely Friday afternoon, needed to > errand about 2:30p from Alex'a OId Town to Braddock/495. South on > Rte1 -- West on Beltway - Braddock Road. Pulled out of the merge lane > from Rte 1 onto the Bwy, moved to middle. Trucks around. Settled in > at speed with huge one at 7 o'clock, big one at 5, cars at 6 in rear > and large flatbed with strapped 8'? wood boxes at 12 in front. Me in > the box canyon, ripe for ambush. Not comfortable. Want to ease > out. No opportunity. Decide to wait a bit. Contemplate the truck in > front. Hmmm. Looks like the transverse securing strap I can see is > holding the box in the middle, not on the end. Hmmm. Seems to be a > flapping strap at the rear. Unsettling. Hmmm. Should get out of > here. Too nice a day to be still in box. Exit-radar up a couple of > notches but still settled in and cruising well. Road smooth. Whang. > Keerang. Jeeezuuuz. In front a large handcart pops from among the > boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap. > Suffering Sadaam! It hits the road, does a loop, still attached. I > start to pucker. Jeeezuuuz. I'm following by two or three seconds, > still boxed, and no clue as to what this thing is going to do. > Envision pressure-welded 6-wheel bike/handcart with probable steering > problems. I flutter the brakes slowing as fast as possible and see > 6's behind stay distance. Thank God the cart still attached. It > bounces a couple of more times. 2-3 seconds pass, an eternity, but > I'm now more confident have lead time to swerve/avoid. F i n a l l y, > brake lights ahead come on as trouble sensed. Handcart still > bouncing, I'm still at risk, but 5 and 7 o'clock trucks are scooting > ahead and rears stay back. 5 passes the front on the right. Front > signals right, slows, and heads for shoulder, 'cart now dragging. I > downshift, WFO to pass and pitifully sound horn. Truck driver, > slowing, looks down, shrugs, smiles. I'm too glued to handlebars to > gesture. Want to get license (and driver) but going too fast in much > traffic. Need stiff, stiff drink. No, too much riding left. Vow to > find pill for this condition. Continue. Dismount at this ride's > end. Not embarrassed. Lucky. Once again, no more truckin' likin' on > the slabs. Seen remnants of and now experienced too many loose > loads. Worse than roadrage. Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --------------88041B49C9DD91B8DDFE2B78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trucks bite. Ever seen a trac-trailer rig sling the recap off a tire? Reason enough not to ride alongside. And rare is the dump truck that doesn't offload a few pounds of gravel everytime it hits a bump. Loose loads are danger signals. Harry Homeowner with three cheesy strings holding five sheets of plywood on the roof of his Volvo is a  fave.  Last month on I-395 a stake body puked up a really nice industrial duty scoop shovel. Even following a good six seconds behind it was *bounce* okay, swerve - *bounce* oh shit, swerve again....  If I hadn't been on the bike I woulda stopped and picked that shovel up. It was a tough mama.

When touring timber country - beware of log trucks. I didn't see a single one that could pass a cursory inspection, and you know some goober turned it loose with "Thet load ain't gonna shift on ya, Bobby Joe, I swear." Uh huh.

Good dodging, pal. Keep those skills honed.

Bill
 

mobacc wrote:

 For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter scale.  Here's the story. On this lovely Friday afternoon, needed to errand about 2:30p from Alex'a OId Town to Braddock/495.  South on Rte1 -- West on Beltway - Braddock Road. Pulled out of the merge lane from Rte 1 onto the Bwy, moved to middle.  Trucks around.  Settled in at speed with huge one at 7 o'clock, big one at 5, cars at 6 in rear and large flatbed with strapped 8'? wood boxes at 12 in front.  Me in the box canyon, ripe for ambush.  Not comfortable.   Want to ease out.  No opportunity.  Decide to wait a bit. Contemplate the truck in front.  Hmmm.  Looks like the transverse securing strap I can see is holding the box in the middle, not on the end.  Hmmm.  Seems to be a flapping strap at the rear.  Unsettling.  Hmmm.  Should get out of here.  Too nice a day to be still in box.  Exit-radar up a couple of notches but still settled in and cruising well.  Road smooth. Whang.  Keerang.  Jeeezuuuz.  In front a large handcart pops from among the boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap.  Suffering Sadaam!  It hits the road, does a loop, still attached.  I start to pucker.  Jeeezuuuz.  I'm following by two or three seconds, still boxed, and no clue as to what this thing is going to do.  Envision pressure-welded 6-wheel bike/handcart with probable steering problems.  I flutter the brakes slowing as fast as possible and see 6's behind stay distance.  Thank God the cart still attached.  It bounces a couple of more times.  2-3 seconds pass, an eternity, but I'm now more confident have lead time to swerve/avoid. F i n a l l y, brake lights ahead come on as trouble sensed.  Handcart still bouncing,  I'm still at risk, but 5 and 7 o'clock trucks are scooting ahead and rears stay back.  5 passes the front on the right.  Front signals right, slows, and heads for shoulder, 'cart now dragging.  I downshift, WFO to pass and pitifully sound horn.  Truck driver, slowing, looks down, shrugs, smiles.  I'm too glued to handlebars to gesture.  Want to get license (and driver) but going too fast in much traffic. Need stiff, stiff drink.  No, too much riding left.  Vow to find pill for this condition.  Continue.  Dismount at this ride's end.  Not embarrassed.  Lucky.  Once again, no more truckin' likin' on the slabs.  Seen remnants of and now experienced too many loose loads.  Worse than roadrage. Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me.
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.   
--------------88041B49C9DD91B8DDFE2B78-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 22:12:44 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05440 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2ETOa24004 (4510) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2960d37e.250b1459@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:37 EDT Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/10/99 9:32:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider writes: << If people can't ride unless they have to risk getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't >> OK, I guess this is where extremism requires a response. I wear a helmet. If another rider wants to ride without a helmet, let him; 26 other states permit that freedom of choice. This issue is not either/or and it should not pit rider against rider. Extremism in the pursuit of safety is not the goal here. Mature, tolerant, intellectual exchange is the preferred course of action. Remember, riders, regardless of what they ride, are regarded as borderline outlaws by the non-riding community in a lot of cases. Only fools fight in a burning house and we don't need to be at each other's throats on issues of liberty, safety and discretion. Like I said, I wear a helmet. BUT, I fight the mandatory helmet law to restore freedom of choice for those who remember a time when the Free State was......free. Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 22:54:49 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f141.hotmail.com [209.185.131.204]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06054 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40170 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 02:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911025436.40169.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.254.22.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.254.22.17] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! What so many bikers defend,most people regard as just plain stupid and worse -- very annoying. Motorcycles are regarded as outlaws because those who ride them say and do incredibly stupid things: #1: "Loud Pipes save lives" Response: The only person who can hear your loud pipes will be pissed off -- Aunt Edna and the baby you just woke up down the street! The only thing that YOUR noise will save your ass from is the moron who is BEHIND you. HEY! Maybe loud pipes will save you from the Explorer coming up from behind when you are sitting relatively quietly at a stoplight? SURE THEY WILL! GET A GRIP! GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!! Your loud obnoxious pipes make most people HATE, that's right folks, HATE ALL motorcycles, including mine! 2. "I have a right to ride without a helmet" Response: Where the hell in the US Constitution is this? At least those who fight gun laws can read the second amendment! You have no right to ride (or drive a car -- you need a license, sorry dude) and you have no right to go lidless if your state tells you you don't. Sorry again. If the "state" can tell you to wear a seatbelt because it reduces injuries and medical costs for all they damn well can tell you to wear a helmet. That's life. 3. "A Helmet will injure me, make my neck get hurt, makes it so I can't see..." Responses: Man is this dumb. Which would you rather hit your sorry stupid melon directly on a concrete road or a concrete road cushioned by an inch of styrofoam, fiberglass and plastic designed to reduce the impact to the head and neck? Would you rather crush your skull and knock around your brain in its own blood with or without an inch cushion? Would you rather break your neck with the direct impact of your skull on the pavement or would you rather risk that the helmet would cushion it just a little bit? How many football players do you see pounding their heads lidless onto the grass every weekend? Where I grew up, if you wanted to play football you had to suit up. The DMV is just doing the same for those who want to "play" on motorcycles. 3. "Its not comfy, it itches, makes me sweat, I don't like it... Hey have you tried another brand? Another size? Exactly how long did you try that $400 thing on in the store? 5 minutes? Did you at least take a ride with it on? If not too bad. >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:37 EDT > >In a message dated 9/10/99 9:32:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider >writes: > ><< If people can't ride unless they have to risk > getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't >> > >OK, I guess this is where extremism requires a response. >I wear a helmet. If another rider wants to ride without a helmet, let him; >26 >other states permit that freedom of choice. >This issue is not either/or and it should not pit rider against rider. >Extremism in the pursuit of safety is not the goal here. >Mature, tolerant, intellectual exchange is the preferred course of action. >Remember, riders, regardless of what they ride, are regarded as borderline >outlaws by the non-riding community in a lot of cases. Only fools fight in >a >burning house and we don't need to be at each other's throats on issues of >liberty, safety and discretion. >Like I said, I wear a helmet. BUT, I fight the mandatory helmet law to >restore freedom of choice for those who remember a time when the Free State >was......free. >Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 23:29:33 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06588 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-117-50.s50.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.50]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02278 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:29:29 -0400 Message-ID: <007f01befc05$db000440$0623accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <011f01befbee$b3c25c00$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> Importance: Normal All I can say is, Wow. Glad you made it. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (63K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Bill S. said: For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter scale. Here's the story... From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 00:17:18 1999 Return-Path: bmwk75@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07687 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA04433 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust177.tnt1.columbia.mo.da.uu.net [63.23.213.177]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13391; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D9D6F3.C45EB35@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:13:39 -0500 From: Ralph Couey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Yet another view on helmets. References: <19990911025436.40169.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Allis wrote: > > WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter wrote: > >OK, I guess this is where extremism requires a response. > >> Yo, Dudes...DECAF!!! --Ralphie boy From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 00:31:22 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07982 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 3OZLa22972 (4447); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:30:33 EDT Subject: Saturday ride?!?!? Where? When? To: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 It's 12:30 am.....is the ride still on? Where is the meeting point? When are we meeting? I'll check email at 7am. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 01:29:48 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA08806 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA20927; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:33:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Bill Huson cc: mobacc , Dc Cycles Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet In-Reply-To: <37D9B2CF.1383AA99@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yo! Could you guys please send stuff in text/ascii rather than html? Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 02:09:20 1999 Return-Path: dkelly@XXXXXX Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (root@XXXXXX [208.147.154.56]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10171 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt4-208-166-127-249.dialup.HiWAAY.net [208.166.127.249]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA10692; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:07:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA97800; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:48:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199909110548.AAA97800@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Doug Allis" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Yet another view on helmets. In-reply-to: Message from "Doug Allis" of "Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:35 PDT." <19990911025436.40169.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:48:05 -0500 Sender: dkelly@XXXXXX "Doug Allis" writes: > 2. "I have a right to ride without a helmet" You need an attitude adjustment. You should calm down and realize the thick-skulled militant helmetless rider is simply chlorine in the gene pool. Without chlorine all kinds of nasty things swim in the pool. In any case, there is proof Darwin was right. The helmetless are already hard-headed. This demonstrates evolution works. If this is allowed to continue for eons there might be a breed of humans with skulls offering more protection than the best of today's helmets. On the other hand, I don't plan on swimming in *that* gene pool. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@XXXXXX ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 07:21:17 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from zzapp.org (zzapp.org [206.165.125.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17700 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-254-245.s245.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.254.245]) by zzapp.org with SMTP (IPAD 2.5) id 5452800 ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:20:55 -0400 From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <19990911012539.82710.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Message-Id: <199909111120.5452800@zzapp.org> On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:38 PDT, Doug Allis wrote: >All I can say is that it IS stupid to have an unlocked gun in a house with >kids and its EVEN STUPIDER to ride without a lid. I really don't want to >pay your medical claims through my insurance either.... > >Re. ABATE's BS statistic that states that have helmet laws have fewer >riders...that's fine with me. If people can't ride unless they have to risk >getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't. > >I really think that if you've never REALLY CRASHED you don't really know >ANYTHING about helmets. Why is it that people get upset that someone else wants a little freedom of choice in the world. Personally, I am tired of the government telling me how I need to live my life.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 "Grimmy" '78 Suzuki GS400 "Chick Magnet" ABATE of Maryland MRF / AMA / HRCA Iron Butt Association "Misplaced Idahoan" From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 08:15:40 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18500 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:15:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2OJCa09417 (4327) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9b25d181.250ba1c3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:14:59 EDT Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/10/99 11:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider writes: << WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! What so many bikers defend,most people regard as just plain stupid and worse -- very annoying. Motorcycles are regarded as outlaws because those who ride them say and do incredibly stupid things: >> Let me ask a question: What is your goal here? Mine is to give riders the freedom to choose as they are in 26 other states. What's yours? Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 10:22:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20993 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18373 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03971 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-35-163.s163.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.35.163]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03889; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01befc3f$d832ce20$8190fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "DC Cycles" , Subject: Summit Paving - No new info from me Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:24:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I had understood that the work was going to happen this coming week, not in the previous week. I remember thinking it seemed like an awfully short window of opportunity, and one that could jepordize our whole weekend if the weather broke when they were finished chewing it up but not finished laying the new stuff down. I'm no paver though, so who knows how they work it. I'm so dang curious that I may drive up one night this week just to check it out. If I do I will of course report back. I wouldn't mind just one more race with all the familiar lines and especially braking markers, if its new pavement the guys who can figure the new stuff out the fastest will have an edge. Jonathan Broga SV650 CCS 500 WERA 502 -> >We hope... FWIW, I heard from someone in the car fraternity that as of >Wednesday of this week (two days ago) there was no paving equipment at Summit >and they were running. I got the same message (indirectly) from someone who >was there at a motocycle track day on Tuesday... Doesn't sound like we are >going to have a newly repaved Summit for any events this season... > ><> > >To unsubscribe: SV650-request@XXXXXX >with: unsubscribe - in message body > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 11:14:52 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21846 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FHW00F2FIBOHP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:14:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA11873; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:09:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.167.14]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990911151411.OIAO612@toddnt>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:14:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:11:30 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet In-reply-to: <011f01befbee$b3c25c00$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> To: mobacc , Dc Cycles Message-id: <000601befc67$ed4844c0$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal You paint an interesting picture Bill. Suffering Sadaam? Ha, Ha! Reminds me of a time coming home from school (George Mason), on 123 right past the post office in old town. Truck in front of me spits a few chunks of fire wood right at the turn. Me set up on the little Shadow swerve once, twice, three times and a kick with right boot to bouncing fourth peice of wood. This is the weird shit they can't teach in school. Todd -----Original Message----- From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 8:43 PM To: Dc Cycles Subject: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter scale. .... .. Me in the box canyon, ripe for ambush. Not comfortable. .... .. Too nice a day to be still in box. Exit-radar up a couple of notches but still settled in and cruising well. Road smooth. Whang. Keerang. Jeeezuuuz. In front a large handcart pops from among the boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap. Suffering Sadaam! .... Envision pressure-welded 6-wheel bike/handcart with probable steering problems. .... Need stiff, stiff drink. No, too much riding left. Vow to find pill for this condition. .... Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 11:22:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22006 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FHW00H7OINUX3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:21:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29035; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:20:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.167.14]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990911152126.OIHE612@toddnt>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:21:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:18:44 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: The only View?? Was: Yet another view on helmets. In-reply-to: <19990911025436.40169.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Doug Allis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Message-id: <000701befc68$f0275360$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal So much for "Mature, tolerant, intellectual exchange". Way to go Zbig. Now look what you've started. Heheheh. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:55 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; pc800@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. > > > WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! What so many bikers defend,most people regard as just > plain stupid and worse -- very annoyingHEY! > Maybe loud pipes will save you from the Explorer coming up from > behind when > you are sitting relatively quietly at a stoplight? SURE THEY WILL! GET A > GRIP! GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!! Your loud obnoxious pipes make most people > HATE, that's right folks, HATE ALL motorcycles, including mine! > 3. "A Helmet will injure me, make my neck get hurt, makes it so I can't > see..." > Responses: Man is this dumb. This is how presidential debates should always start. Ad hominum. Canidate1: "The economy can be cured by allowing the federal gubmnt to meddle with interest rates." Can2: "Man your stupid. Everything you say is wrong AND EVERYTHING I SAY IS RIGHT." Can1: "Ok, you win...." > > > >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. > >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:37 EDT > > > >In a message dated 9/10/99 9:32:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider > >writes: > > > ><< If people can't ride unless they have to risk > > getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't >> > > > >OK, I guess this is where extremism requires a response. > >I wear a helmet. If another rider wants to ride without a > helmet, let him; > >26 > >other states permit that freedom of choice. > >This issue is not either/or and it should not pit rider against rider. > >Extremism in the pursuit of safety is not the goal here. > >Mature, tolerant, intellectual exchange is the preferred course > of action. > >Remember, riders, regardless of what they ride, are regarded as > borderline > >outlaws by the non-riding community in a lot of cases. Only > fools fight in > >a > >burning house and we don't need to be at each other's throats on > issues of > >liberty, safety and discretion. > >Like I said, I wear a helmet. BUT, I fight the mandatory helmet law to > >restore freedom of choice for those who remember a time when the > Free State > >was......free. > >Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 12:27:02 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23031 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id MAA02842 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:26:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:26:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Summit Paving - No new info from me In-Reply-To: <001e01befc3f$d832ce20$8190fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > I had understood that the work was going to happen this coming week, not in > the previous week. I remember thinking it seemed like an awfully short The paving has been scheduled for the 13th - 17th since day one. I'm not sure why people keep saying otherwise since the main course schedule is packed except for these dates. It is a short amount of time but it may be that we're used to highway crew (non-)effeciency and not a contractor who wants to get the job done and go somewhere else. ::shrug:: I also may go by there next week and check it out. If I do, I'll take my digital camera and see if I can get some pics. - Brian > >We hope... FWIW, I heard from someone in the car fraternity that as of > >Wednesday of this week (two days ago) there was no paving equipment at > Summit > >and they were running. I got the same message (indirectly) from someone who > >was there at a motocycle track day on Tuesday... Doesn't sound like we are > >going to have a newly repaved Summit for any events this season... > > > ><> > > > >To unsubscribe: SV650-request@XXXXXX > >with: unsubscribe - in message body > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 14:07:55 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24612 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21558 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8827@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:14:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter wrote: >Let me ask a question: What is your goal here? > Mine is to give riders the freedom to choose as they are in 26 other states. > What's yours? To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible. One item I have failed to see in these emotional debates is what impact helmet laws have on the rates we pay for automotive insurance. Also, the insurance companies use actuary science (i.e., statistics) to make money so I feel that I can trust them to protect their own interests in this regard. Isolating any other factors and conditions one should expect that the safest option would equate to the lower rate as to whether a state requires a helmet or not. Just my logical compulsion, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 17:21:35 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27582 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2OKVa23997 (4539) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8998764a.250c21b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:20:52 EDT Subject: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjay@XXXXXX writes: "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following background information. 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when helmet laws were repealed. a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask the following question. "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July 1980 when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific person making that statement. 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has raised rates in a state where the helmet law has been repealed. a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask the following question. "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific person making that statement. Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will not pay off if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening technique. However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low as possible that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, training, education, etc). However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests for that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an insurance company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or repeal of the law. Thoughts? Comments? Bill Gawthrop From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 17:49:52 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27985 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.32] (user-2iveo10.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.32]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09471; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909112149.RAA09471@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:52:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates From: "John Whiteside" To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests for > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an insurance > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > repeal of the law. > > Thoughts? Comments? First thought: I can't believe I'm even entering this discussion, but what the hell... Second thought & comment: I'm sure you're not suggesting that helmet laws could affect insurance rates is an explicit decision by a company to raise rates. I think it's pretty obvious that if helmet laws increased helmet usage and thus decreased deaths and injuries, the costs of insuring motorcyclists would drop, and then premiums would. I'm not suggesting for a moment that I believe every chain in that link of events is valid, but I think that's the theory. Final thought: you're kind of a Johnny One-Note. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 17:54:48 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28063 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FHX0070B0V0G9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:54:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA04273; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:54:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.175.120]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990911215435.OYRP612@toddnt>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:54:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:51:51 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates In-reply-to: <8998764a.250c21b4@aol.com> To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000901befc9f$daa9bff0$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX [mailto:Gawthrop@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mjay@XXXXXX > writes: > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following > background information. > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when > helmet laws were repealed. > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has > raised rates in a > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will > not pay off > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening > technique. > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low > as possible > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, > training, education, etc). > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, > the tests for > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified > an insurance > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > repeal of the law. > > Thoughts? Comments? > Bill Gawthrop Yes. Its rather nice to have someone on this list who knows (or appears to know) their facts. This issue, like other divisive issues, tends to yank all the hysteria, gloom and doom, and passion for freedom at all costs like no other. Stick around Bill, I like your attitude. I like your approach too. I'm a registered Libertarian. It has been suggested many times that yelling people down who are obviously not receptive to the basic concepts of self ownership is futile. Simple communication of the facts and realities is all that is necessary. People either take it or leave it. Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 18:03:05 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28246 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990911220615.19738.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.160] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:06:15 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: John Whiteside , Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dammit I think i got sucked in. --- John Whiteside wrote: > rates. I think it's pretty obvious that if helmet laws increased > helmet > usage and thus decreased deaths and injuries, the costs of insuring > motorcyclists would drop, and then premiums would. That depends.. maybe you'd have a higher death rate and a lower injury rate. If more riders die, they won't be making any claims for a new bike or pain and suffering, or extended stay hospital bills. Speaking of insurance I have a question.. I recall reading on my insurance that if I buy another bike, it's insured for 30 days automatically.. anyone know if that's any kind of law, or just a policy? Also if I buy the bike before the policy is cancelled or runs out, does the 30 days coverage stay in effect? If it's a law, could one tell me where to find it.. thanks === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 18:06:42 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28333 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990911220947.11878.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.160] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:09:47 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: Todd Peer , Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This kind of sucks.. we're posting here when we could be riding :) Maybe we can organize some kind of aimless ride tomorrow about noon.. point towards baltimore or annapolis and just go.. and if someone comes up with some place nice to end up, all the better. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 18:07:20 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28343 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.32] (user-2iveo10.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.32]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00656 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909112207.SAA00656@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:10:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > That depends.. maybe you'd have a higher death rate and a lower > injury rate. If more riders die, they won't be making any claims for > a new bike or pain and suffering, or extended stay hospital bills. Well the whole thing is so tenuous that it's kind of a silly argument, actually. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 18:48:14 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29007 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FHX004CG3BFB7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:47:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA01605 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:47:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.175.120]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990911224730.PASL612@toddnt> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:47:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:44:39 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Screw Hlemets.... To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <000c01befca7$3b298f70$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal ...let's piss and moan about loud pipes. Got this from another list. Thought it rather amusing. http://www.visi.com/~sullivan/loudpipe.htm Don't kill the messenger. Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 19:47:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29929 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20423 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:46:55 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10531 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vUTQ4uneg_ (4248) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e34d655.250c43fa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:47:06 EDT Subject: Nice site about a past bike show. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 http://www.iamw.com/babs.html From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:25:55 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00575 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA32593; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:25:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37DAF1CB.4F0AA7D1@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:20:27 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel aka ITM CC: John Whiteside , Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates References: <19990911220615.19738.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel aka ITM wrote: > I have a question.. I recall reading on my insurance that if > I buy another bike, it's insured for 30 days automatically.. anyone > know if that's any kind of law, or just a policy? Also if I buy > the bike before the policy is cancelled or runs out, does the 30 days > coverage stay in effect? > > If it's a law, could one tell me where to find it.. thanks I not sure that's a *law* but it is standard procedure for every insurance company I've dealt with. One exception - car insurance covers the 30 day new car deal but not a new bike. About a week after I got mine after a cycle ownership lapse of a few years I called my agent to add the bike and he sez I need to write another policy - like for a bike, and that I wasn't auomatically insured. Oops. FYI - State farm doesn't offer multi-bike discounts like they do on cars, and no perks for MSF RiderCourse completion. But the rate is cheap. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:28:58 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00649 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA32767; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:28:52 -0400 Message-ID: <37DAF287.44B47B3C@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:23:35 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel aka ITM CC: Todd Peer , Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates References: <19990911220947.11878.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll probably be tooling around VA, but Solomans Island is a nice putt for MD guys and gals. Check out the Calvert County Marine Museum - that wood frame building was my elementry school. Bill Daniel aka ITM wrote: > This kind of sucks.. we're posting here when we could be > riding :) > > Maybe we can organize some kind of aimless ride tomorrow about > noon.. point towards baltimore or annapolis and just go.. > and if someone comes up with some place nice to end up, > all the better. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:30:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00733 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:30:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199909112030.AA134414956@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Dc Cycles" , "mobacc" Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "mobacc" ... In front a large handcart pops from among the boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap. Suffering Sadaam! It hits the road, does a loop, still attached. I start to pucker. Jeeezuuuz. I'm following by two or three seconds, still boxed, and no clue as to what this thing is going to do. ------------------------- After getting used to lane-splitting in DC, I now see more escape routes on the road than I used to. Would splitting to move ahead, on the side opposite the hand truck, have been a possible escape route for you? Glad you're hear to tell us about it, -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:33:03 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00755 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:32:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199909112032.AA158335340@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: mobacc , Bill Huson CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Trucks bite. Ever seen a trac-trailer rig sling the recap off a tire? ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, right in front of me at 70mph in the left lane. And some people say protective gear is too uncomfortable to always wear ... -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:35:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00842 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:35:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199909112035.AA85328446@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Yet another view on helmets. X-Mailer: Careful. This is the same argument people use to ban motorcycles. After all, motorcycles are more risky than cars. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michael Jay Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:14:38 -0400 >>Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter wrote: >Let me ask a question: What is your goal here? > Mine is to give riders the freedom to choose as they are in 26 other states. > What's yours? To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible. One item I have failed to see in these emotional debates is what impact helmet laws have on the rates we pay for automotive insurance. Also, the insurance companies use actuary science (i.e., statistics) to make money so I feel that I can trust them to protect their own interests in this regard. Isolating any other factors and conditions one should expect that the safest option would equate to the lower rate as to whether a state requires a helmet or not. Just my logical compulsion, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:48:20 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01035 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA01179; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:48:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37DAF711.14CFD143@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:42:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Screw Hlemets.... References: <000c01befca7$3b298f70$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A funny article. Seeing as how I'm conveniently located near several major highways, I can hear LOUD pipes while I'm snuggled in my bed after a day's ride. Harleys??? Nope, Kerkers or some other aftermarket pipes mounted on the basic UJM crotch rocket which is howling that sweet hi-rev song. It kinda gets me stirred up, but don't y`all dare tell my Harley buds that I *like* the sound of a UJM in full heat. And what could be lower than a crotch rocketeer kissing the gas tank whilst hanging on to those flat bars? My Harley pipes (Kerkers) are rated at 80db. I did have them perked up but unperked them for Biker Chick use. I didn't want her to get hoarse from screaming the usual instructions over the pipe noise. No foward controls either. That appears to be an awkward and damn uncomfortable way to ride. It may look *cool* to some, but I can well imagine that halfway to a distant port such as New Orleans I'd have the wrenchs out a be unconverting them to standard. Oh my, I forgot, all that FC crap is for posers who rarely ride more'n forty miles from thier trailer. And if they're not wearing ear plugs the drag pipes will have them going "Huh?" all night long. I prefer my currant state of *selective* deafness, an art us guys learn when we have a permenent mate. heh heh Bill Todd Peer wrote: > ...let's piss and moan about loud pipes. > > Got this from another list. Thought it rather amusing. > > http://www.visi.com/~sullivan/loudpipe.htm > > Don't kill the messenger. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 23:52:48 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03868 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id XAA03155 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates In-Reply-To: <8998764a.250c21b4@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If Helmet laws are repealed, and claims increase, I guaranty that the insurance companies would raise their rates. That's how they work. I personally oppose Helmet laws on principle, in that I do not believe the gov't has a right to tell you what your personal safety level should be. However, when that right impacts others, as could be the case with insurance, things get complicated. I personally would never get on a motorcycle without a helmet (or proper riding gear), but that's me. My personal thought has been that the insurance companies should have two rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you want to have your head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in the case of an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for that "perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not use a helmet and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. Fairly cut and dry IMHO. - Brian On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjay@XXXXXX > writes: > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following > background information. > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when > helmet laws were repealed. > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask > the following question. > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July 1980 > when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific > person making that statement. > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has raised rates in a > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask > the following question. > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July > 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific > person making that statement. > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will not pay off > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening > technique. > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low as possible > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, > training, education, etc). > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests for > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an insurance > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > repeal of the law. > > Thoughts? Comments? > Bill Gawthrop > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 04:34:48 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA08905 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id EAA27738; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:34:43 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027521; Sun, 12 Sep 99 04:34:28 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHX00BMCUMOIX@XXXXXX>; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EA.002EF8EA ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:33:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:32:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: Brian Roach Cc: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Message-id: <852567EA.002EF6CD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Not necessarily that cut and dry ... what if not wearing a helmet results in a higher fatality rate and wearing a helmet increases survivability, albeit in an expensive comatose, non-functioning state. By your own logic (applying financial criteria to the debate)helmet wearers would be a larger drain on society so you would then be for helmet repeal, no? The entire problem with this line of reasoning is that noone can (has been able) predict the outcome of a given accident. I do believe that you are better prepared to survive an accident with a helmet on, thus I wear one ... however, wearing a helmet does not ensure you will survive with a given quality of life. --chris To: 'DC-Cycles Mailing List' cc: From: Brian Roach Date: 09/12/99 03:52:46 AM GMT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates If Helmet laws are repealed, and claims increase, I guaranty that the insurance companies would raise their rates. That's how they work. I personally oppose Helmet laws on principle, in that I do not believe the gov't has a right to tell you what your personal safety level should be. However, when that right impacts others, as could be the case with insurance, things get complicated. I personally would never get on a motorcycle without a helmet (or proper riding gear), but that's me. My personal thought has been that the insurance companies should have two rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you want to have your head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in the case of an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for that "perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not use a helmet and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. Fairly cut and dry IMHO. - Brian On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjay@XXXXXX > writes: > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following > background information. > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when > helmet laws were repealed. > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask > the following question. > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July 1980 > when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific > person making that statement. > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has raised rates in a > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask > the following question. > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July > 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific > person making that statement. > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will not pay off > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening > technique. > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low as possible > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, > training, education, etc). > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests for > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an insurance > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > repeal of the law. > > Thoughts? Comments? > Bill Gawthrop > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 06:10:07 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10280 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 06:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: gone riding.. Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:09:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) well, it's 6:10 am.. and I'm hopping on my bike.. last minute plans.. I'll be headed out up and over 211 - 33 -?? - 50 - ?? kinda making a northernly route.. Figgured I'd post, and let people know were I was headed, incase there's someone else awake right now that want's to go. I'll be passing through where 50 and 15 meet in about an hour.. meet me there, or I'll stop at the gas station in Marshal (Exxon, first exit from 66, had McD's) about 45 minutes after that for breakfast.. pretty much, from there, I'll figgure everyone's still asleep.... c-ya.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 10:23:17 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14835 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.71] (user-2iveo27.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.71]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20223 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909121423.KAA20223@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:26:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Not necessarily that cut and dry ... what if not wearing a helmet results > in a higher fatality rate and wearing a helmet increases survivability, > albeit in an expensive comatose, non-functioning state. By your own logic > (applying financial criteria to the debate)helmet wearers would be a larger > drain on society so you would then be for helmet repeal, no? > > The entire problem with this line of reasoning is that noone can (has been > able) predict the outcome of a given accident. I do believe that you are > better prepared to survive an accident with a helmet on, thus I wear one > ... however, wearing a helmet does not ensure you will survive with a given > quality of life. Without good data -- which is really hard to collect -- this argument can go on in circles forever. My personal reaction to all this? I'm against helmet laws for purely philosophical reason. And it's amazingly low on my priority list. There are plenty of things that are far greater threats to my freedom than helmet laws, and I don't believe that safety-oriented laws are inherently bad. I'm a lot more worried, for example, about the way that courts packed with Reagan and Bush appointees have chipped away at our constitutional protections than I am about helmet laws. I'm far more concerned about the religious right's efforts to chip away at the separation of church and state. I'm *way* more concerned that the American public seems to be willing to tolerate limits on free speech (one of the few areas where I think libertarian thought actually applies to the real world). So, yeah, helmet laws are a bad idea, but ultimately, I don't really care that much. Certainly not as much as I care about people who try to ban bikes from certain places. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 10:41:00 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15067 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990912144434.8577.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:44:34 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: Brian Roach , "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Roach wrote: > >> My personal thought has been that the insurance companies should > have two > rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you want to > have your > head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in the > case of > an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for > that > "perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not use a > helmet > and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. > > Fairly cut and dry IMHO. I like that idea... would love to get a discount for wearing leathers too :) === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 10:48:18 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15208 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990912145158.8402.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:51:58 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: John Whiteside , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some might argue that they start with the little things.. --- John Whiteside wrote: > > Not necessarily that cut and dry ... what if not wearing a helmet > results > > in a higher fatality rate and wearing a helmet increases > survivability, > > albeit in an expensive comatose, non-functioning state. By your > own logic > > (applying financial criteria to the debate)helmet wearers would > be a larger > > drain on society so you would then be for helmet repeal, no? > > > > The entire problem with this line of reasoning is that noone can > (has been > > able) predict the outcome of a given accident. I do believe that > you are > > better prepared to survive an accident with a helmet on, thus I > wear one > > ... however, wearing a helmet does not ensure you will survive > with a given > > quality of life. > > > Without good data -- which is really hard to collect -- this > argument can go > on in circles forever. > > My personal reaction to all this? I'm against helmet laws for > purely > philosophical reason. And it's amazingly low on my priority list. > There are > plenty of things that are far greater threats to my freedom than > helmet > laws, and I don't believe that safety-oriented laws are inherently > bad. > > I'm a lot more worried, for example, about the way that courts > packed with > Reagan and Bush appointees have chipped away at our constitutional > protections than I am about helmet laws. I'm far more concerned > about the > religious right's efforts to chip away at the separation of church > and > state. I'm *way* more concerned that the American public seems to > be willing > to tolerate limits on free speech (one of the few areas where I > think > libertarian thought actually applies to the real world). > > So, yeah, helmet laws are a bad idea, but ultimately, I don't > really care > that much. Certainly not as much as I care about people who try to > ban bikes > from certain places. > > --- > John Whiteside > whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 11:13:23 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15602 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.94] (user-2iveo2u.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.94]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24670; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909121513.LAA24670@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:16:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates From: "John Whiteside" To: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Some might argue that they start with the little things.. In this case they would -- in my opinion of course -- be wrong. And if you follow that line of reasoning, there are lots of far more disturbing trends out there than helmet laws. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 12:48:55 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17098 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id MAA03572; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:48:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX cc: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates In-Reply-To: <852567EA.002EF6CD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Not necessarily that cut and dry ... what if not wearing a helmet results > in a higher fatality rate and wearing a helmet increases survivability, > albeit in an expensive comatose, non-functioning state. By your own logic > (applying financial criteria to the debate)helmet wearers would be a larger > drain on society so you would then be for helmet repeal, no? Which is why I said "If claims increased". Insurance companies are in business to make money, and the data is what drives them to set rates. The proposal outlined was based upon the theory that costs increase with non-helmeted accidents, which I believe is true. The basic fact that a 5mph parking lot "learning fall" can chuck you over the handlebars and onto your noggin is largly in favor of this (i.e. wearing a helmet you get up and are pissed, not wearing one you are at the very *least* bleeding). Also, insurance companies pay out for death and dismemberment. The cost of replacing a motorcycle and some stitches is far less than paying out for a death (on most policies, this of course is not absolute). Long term medical care of course could exceed this, but I question that to be the norm. As I said, I'm against helmet laws on principle. The suggestion of two-tiered insurace could go either way as you suggest, depending on the data - which I do not believe would be that hard to collect as insurace companies already collect far more data than that simple fact everyday (things like airbags, seatbelts, child seats, crash data for every car on the road, etc). It would, however, get rid of the one thing that comes up in this debate time and time again, that non-helmeted riders affect helmeted riders' insurance rates. Eliminate that, and you've you eliminate the only thing that is not within the rider's own personal responsibility. The irony would definatly be if you had to pay more for wearing a helmet :) I personaly do not believe this to be the case, and would be willing to take that bet. - Brian > The entire problem with this line of reasoning is that noone can (has been > able) predict the outcome of a given accident. I do believe that you are > better prepared to survive an accident with a helmet on, thus I wear one > ... however, wearing a helmet does not ensure you will survive with a given > quality of life. (Maybe noone will read this since I already signed above...) Now you're bordering on philisophic... is no life better than some life? ::duck:: - Brian (again) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 13:16:51 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17591 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23034; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:23:35 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D882A@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'John Whiteside'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:23:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John Whiteside writes: >I'm a lot more worried, for example, about the way that courts packed with >Reagan and Bush appointees have chipped away at our constitutional >protections than I am about helmet laws. I'm far more concerned about the >religious right's efforts to chip away at the separation of church and >state. Do you refer to this passage? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." To my knowledge, Congress has passed no legislation to establish the "Church of the United States" like that of England where the monarchy is also the "Keeper of the Faith." Moreover, none of the Articles describing the powers of Congress, Executive, or Judicial branches of the United State Government include such responsibilities. The Constitution prohibits the establishment of a governmental church--thank goodness, but the separation of church and state is a myth. Endowed by the Creator, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ p.s. The ride this morning was splendid, cool breeze with warm sun. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 13:46:14 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18065 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23060 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:53:08 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D882B@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: what's up with the KAWA ZR-7 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:53:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi folks, Can anyone tell me what's up with Kawasaki's ZR-7 sport bike? Last news I had on this bike as at http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mckaw/y2kearly.html Does anyone have any news about this bike? Thanks, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 15:29:33 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19643 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.25] (user-2iveo0p.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.25]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA30205 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909121929.PAA30205@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:32:40 -0400 Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mike Jay writes > Do you refer to this passage? > > "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, > or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of > speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to > assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." > > To my knowledge, Congress has passed no legislation to establish > the "Church of the United States" like that of England where the > monarchy is also the "Keeper of the Faith." Note that I was talking about attempts, not successes. "Separation of church and state" is handy shorthand for something more complex. (Shame on me for the laziness!) We have a pretty strong tradition in this country of non-sectarian government; religion acknowledged as part our civic life, but no particular religion at the forefront. Much of the radical right has explicitly said that they want the US to be a "Christian nation" with our laws based on their particular brand of Christianity, right down to special privileges for their churches and denying equal treatment under the law to those that violate their church's precepts. This is, in my opinion, an enormous threat. It's funny you mention England. I think it's pretty ironic that the U.K., with its official church, has nothing comparable to our radical right. I have no idea why that is the case, but it's interesting. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 15:49:50 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19964 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id PAA03647 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:49:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) In-Reply-To: <199909121929.PAA30205@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, John Whiteside wrote: > It's funny you mention England. I think it's pretty ironic that the U.K., > with its official church, has nothing comparable to our radical right. I > have no idea why that is the case, but it's interesting. Unless I'm mistaken, they shipped them all off to a newly discovered country a couple hundred years ago ;) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 17:07:02 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21199 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nZPHa22972 (7990); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <910d9c3e.250d6f9b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: tomorrow@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 9/5/99 8:33:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tomorrow@XXXXXX writes: << Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really grabbed > the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out completely. >> Are the brakes linked?? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 17:14:08 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f195.hotmail.com [209.185.130.105]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21278 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60528 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 1999 21:13:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990912211335.60527.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.138.150 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:13:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.138.150] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:13:34 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I worry about the impact of helmetless riders on my MOTORCYCLE insurance (not auto) and loud pipes on my freedom to ride where ever I want. Its not just the Harley straight pipes that are the problem/ issue. Look and see what is happening in many communities and to off-road bikers in state and federal parks and forests. We are being restricted from private communities by noise ordances and from public and private parks and areas. The major complaint is noise, noise, noise. The helmet issue makes us all look stupid and the noise makes us look obnoxious -- NOT a good combination for exchanges with your local legislator, park ranger or congressman. I think that we could end up winning the helmet battle, but lose the real battle: making sure we can ride where/when we want. To make sure we can go where we want we should keep the mufflers on our bikes the lids on our heads and the AMA lobbying for our right to ride. >From: Michael Jay >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: RE: Yet another view on helmets. >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:14:38 -0400 > > >Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter wrote: > > >Let me ask a question: What is your goal here? > > Mine is to give riders the freedom to choose as they are in 26 other >states. > > What's yours? > >To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible. > >One item I have failed to see in these emotional debates is what >impact helmet laws have on the rates we pay for automotive insurance. > >Also, the insurance companies use actuary science (i.e., statistics) >to make money so I feel that I can trust them to protect their own >interests in this regard. > >Isolating any other factors and conditions one should expect that the >safest option would equate to the lower rate as to whether a state >requires a helmet or not. > >Just my logical compulsion, >Mike Jay >82 XJ750RJ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 17:17:25 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21382 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-36-194.s194.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.36.194]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01982; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DC1889.28674773@erols.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:18:01 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: <910d9c3e.250d6f9b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/5/99 8:33:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tomorrow@XXXXXX writes: > > << Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really grabbed > > the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out completely. >> > > Are the brakes linked?? I did not write the above which is attributed to me. Tim Morrow MSF#21769 CCS/WERA #432 -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 17:50:42 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21950 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23454 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D882E@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wild-eyed Englishmen (non-moto) (was RE: God Bless the U.S.) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:57:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John Whitehead writes: >It's funny you mention England. I think it's pretty ironic that the U.K., >with its official church, has nothing comparable to our radical right. I >have no idea why that is the case, but it's interesting. And now for the United Kingdom field report.... Two wild-eyed pietistic radicals sighted, alias: John Wesley and Charles Wesley Also on the lamb from the Church of England, separatistic dissenter: Robert Browne Mike Jay, 82 XJ750RJ, reporting from Westminster. Back to you John. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 18:32:00 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22611 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.14] (user-2iveo0e.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.14]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06116 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909122231.SAA06116@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:35:07 -0400 Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Unless I'm mistaken, they shipped them all off to a newly discovered > country a couple hundred years ago ;) > > - Brian Heh heh, that might be it. Sure, Australia gets the fun loving convicts, we get the religious nuts.... --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 18:38:01 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22690 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.14] (user-2iveo0e.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.14]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15000 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909122237.SAA15000@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:41:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Wild-eyed Englishmen (non-moto) (was RE: God Bless the U.S.) From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > John Whitehead writes: That's WhiteSIDE thank you very much. > And now for the United Kingdom field report.... > > Two wild-eyed pietistic radicals sighted, alias: > John Wesley and Charles Wesley > > Also on the lamb from the Church of England, separatistic dissenter: > Robert Browne Is there anything there comparable in scope and influence to, say, groups like Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, Concerned Women of America, etc.? I don't mean to downplay the impact of the far right groups they do have, by the way (thinking of this summer's spate of nail bombings). It's just that some of the stuff we see here -- teach creation "science"! wait for the Rapture! antigay government policy! anti-abortion activists! TV preachers asking if you've accepted Jesus as your personal savior! etc. -- is far less common there. Even some of the things commonly viewed as religious conflicts -- I'm thinking of Northern Ireland here -- have as much to do with civil rights and the economic impact of discrimination as religion. I'm under no illusion that the UK, or Europe in general, is some kind of paradise of rational thought. The dynamics are very different, though. John, from a Church of England family. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 19:12:51 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23278 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23579; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:19:39 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8830@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'John Whiteside'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wild-eyed Englishmen (non-moto) (was RE: God Bless the U.S.) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:19:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >That's WhiteSIDE thank you very much. Sorry John, I really enjoy our banter, I meant no offense. Why yes, please pass the salt for my humble pie, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 19:22:08 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23434 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.14] (user-2iveo0e.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.14]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07221 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909122322.TAA07221@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:25:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Wild-eyed Englishmen (non-moto) (was RE: God Bless the U.S.) From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>That's WhiteSIDE thank you very much. > > Sorry John, > > I really enjoy our banter, I meant no offense. None taken. It's the number one way my name gets messed up! The most interesting the large of number of mailings lists that have me down as "John Whitencli." It does make it easy to see who's renting lists to whom though. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:03:15 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f83.hotmail.com [209.185.131.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA24968 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48401 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1999 01:02:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990913010241.48400.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.139.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:02:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.139.221] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Screw Helmets.... Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:02:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Todd: I LOVED THIS... though it does sorta assume the loud pipes actually work. I still think that most of the "loudness" shoots out the rear (of the bike's pipes that is :) and won't do a thing 'bout that truck that still doesn't hear you and is about to take the left in front of you. Any other thoughts? >From: Todd Peer >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Screw Hlemets.... >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:44:39 -0400 > >...let's piss and moan about loud pipes. > >Got this from another list. Thought it rather amusing. > >http://www.visi.com/~sullivan/loudpipe.htm > >Don't kill the messenger. > >Todd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:12:36 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f285.hotmail.com [209.185.130.224]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25129 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38370 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1999 01:12:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990913011201.38369.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.139.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:11:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.139.221] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:11:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Your 2 tiered pricing system would be impossible to enforce....Would the police give you a ticket if your insurance was marked "wear helmet"? Could they pull over anyone who was not wearing a helmet just to check insurance? I suppose... >From: Brian Roach >To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" >Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:46 -0400 (EDT) > > >If Helmet laws are repealed, and claims increase, I guaranty that the >insurance companies would raise their rates. That's how they work. > >I personally oppose Helmet laws on principle, in that I do not believe the >gov't has a right to tell you what your personal safety level should be. >However, when that right impacts others, as could be the case with >insurance, things get complicated. I personally would never get on a >motorcycle without a helmet (or proper riding gear), but that's me. > >My personal thought has been that the insurance companies should have two >rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you want to have your >head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in the case of >an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for that >"perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not use a helmet >and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. > >Fairly cut and dry IMHO. > >- Brian > > >On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >mjay@XXXXXX > > writes: > > > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following > > background information. > > > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when > > helmet laws were repealed. > > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and >ask > > the following question. > > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July >1980 > > when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." > > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, >please, > > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the >specific > > person making that statement. > > > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has raised rates >in a > > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and >ask > > the following question. > > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective >July > > 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." > > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, >please, > > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the >specific > > person making that statement. > > > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will not pay >off > > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening > > technique. > > > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low as >possible > > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, > > training, education, etc). > > > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests >for > > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an >insurance > > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > > repeal of the law. > > > > Thoughts? Comments? > > Bill Gawthrop > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:37:35 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25550 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-77.patriot.net [209.249.180.77]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01077; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:37:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37DC5419.12928D31@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:32:09 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates References: <19990913011201.38369.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Allis wrote: > .Would the police give you a ticket if your insurance was marked "wear > helmet"? Could they pull over anyone who was not wearing a helmet just to > check insurance? > I suppose... YES!!! Medical insurance, to be precise. Some states where helmet laws were recinded added a med insurance requirement, so that the taxpayer presumably wouldn't be burdaned with med expenses related to a crash. This is quite bogus because the law now has an excuse to stop and check every frigging lidless biker for proof of med insurance. I believe that's called a Phyric (sp?) victory. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:38:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25560 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:38:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) uhh.. was Brian's post about INSURANCE RATES.. not enforcment.. I like Brian's ideas... sounds logical to me. Of course, for that Simple reason, noone will ever accept it. McCoy (damnit, I broke down and posted something involved with this stupid thread) > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 9:12 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates > > > Your 2 tiered pricing system would be impossible to > enforce....Would the > police give you a ticket if your insurance was marked "wear > helmet"? Could > they pull over anyone who was not wearing a helmet just to > check insurance? > I suppose... > > > >From: Brian Roach > >To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" > >Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates > >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:46 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >If Helmet laws are repealed, and claims increase, I guaranty that the > >insurance companies would raise their rates. That's how they work. > > > >I personally oppose Helmet laws on principle, in that I do > not believe the > >gov't has a right to tell you what your personal safety > level should be. > >However, when that right impacts others, as could be the case with > >insurance, things get complicated. I personally would never get on a > >motorcycle without a helmet (or proper riding gear), but that's me. > > > >My personal thought has been that the insurance companies > should have two > >rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you > want to have your > >head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in > the case of > >an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for that > >"perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not > use a helmet > >and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. > > > >Fairly cut and dry IMHO. > > > >- Brian > > > > > >On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >mjay@XXXXXX > > > writes: > > > > > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > > > > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with > the following > > > background information. > > > > > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance > premiums when > > > helmet laws were repealed. > > > a. A simple test for this is to contact your > insurance companies and > >ask > > > the following question. > > > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates > effective July > >1980 > > > when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." > > > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says > they did, > >please, > > > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the > name of the > >specific > > > person making that statement. > > > > > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that > has raised rates > >in a > > > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > > > a. A simple test for this is to contact your > insurance companies and > >ask > > > the following question. > > > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance > rates effective > >July > > > 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." > > > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says > they did, > >please, > > > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the > name of the > >specific > > > person making that statement. > > > > > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that > they will not pay > >off > > > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good > customer screening > > > technique. > > > > > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums > as low as > >possible > > > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums > (engine size, > > > training, education, etc). > > > > > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, > well, the tests > >for > > > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever > identified an > >insurance > > > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on > the enactment or > > > repeal of the law. > > > > > > Thoughts? Comments? > > > Bill Gawthrop > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:41:01 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25573 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2JQC0IyjPL (3927) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f6adb79.250daffd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:40:13 EDT Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/12/99 5:18:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider writes: << I worry about the impact of helmetless riders on my MOTORCYCLE insurance (not auto) and loud pipes on my freedom to ride where ever I want >> <> <> <> - just yours? What about others? See our earlier e.mails about insruance rates neither rising or lowering when helmet laws are passed or recinded. Doesn't happen. (The request is for anyone to identify an occassion that it has occurred and provide me the name of the insurance spokesman making that statement. I am, infact, trying to find such an incident but I have not been able to find it todate.) This is one of those times were we should not think in terms of surrendering the responsible discretion of others to protect our own. The Germans tried that in the 30s; eventually, the knock came to their door as well. Why don't we use the following as a base line for responsible motorcycle legislation. Good law protects person A from the actions of Person B Bad law protects person A from himself. Government should not cross the line into passing bad law. Thoughts? Comments? Bill Gawthrop From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:53:15 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25808 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-45-122.s122.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.45.122]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08915 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:53:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000301befd8a$bafcdac0$7a2daccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990913011201.38369.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal It may be difficult to administer, but the police wouldn't be involved other than to report whether or not a person involved in an accident was wearing a helmet or not. No helmet would be required by law. The insurance company should be able to tell whether or not (if in question) a helmet was worn by the nature of the injuries. I've had similar fantasies about seat belt use. Allow the insurance companies to be 'less liable' for medical costs when a person is injured when he/she is not wearing a seat belt. Insurance costs wouldn't be any less (to buy insurance), but folks who insist on not wearing a seatbelt would be held responsible for their actions. The problems occur when the helmet comes off during the accident (or the seat belts malfunction). My fantasy. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (63K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Doug Allis said: Your 2 tiered pricing system would be impossible to enforce....Would the police give you a ticket if your insurance was marked "wear helmet"? Could they pull over anyone who was not wearing a helmet just to check insurance? I suppose... From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:53:33 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25817 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2ENLa03711 (3927) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e84b3f7.250db2e8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:52:40 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/12/99 9:42:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider writes: << This is quite bogus because the law now has an excuse to stop and check every frigging lidless biker for proof of med insurance. I believe that's called a Phyric (sp?) victory >> Perhaps, but there are no reports of it happening; this was a concern of the MRFs and they have been watching the police carefully on this issue. There are instances of black riders getting hassled by the police using the medical stuff, but, unfortunately, that's symptomatic of a more malevolent issue. The only time the police are really checking is after the fact for traffic accidents - as far as reporting indicates at this time. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:55:41 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25831 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0170.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.202]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA12940 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DC85D6.270E@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:04:22 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Religion/Politics/Helmets (non-moto) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, Actually no gals participated today, (I guess the Dead were right :) but my space bar was moving 'rapido presto' (D-mode here) trying to FF through non-moto content. Let's drop it shall we? Let's also drop the dreaded helmet thread, which has reared its ugly head too. I'm sure some of you will be eager to throw in your two-bits worth tomorrow when you get back to work, but please try to control yourselves :) TIA, JK From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 23:54:47 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA27786 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4712 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 03:57:13 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 03:57:13 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA00561; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:50:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:50:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199909130350.XAA00561@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:09:31 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >How cool. Would you also support a *2nd amendment* issue such as removing the >requirement that personal watercraft riders must wear flotation vests? How >about eye protection on bikes? Seat belt laws? Child seat laws? And how about >those ridiculous laws that one must be clothed in public. I luv to let my skin >breath. I'm into Darwinism. People shouldn't *need* laws to keep them safe. If they're dumb enough to ignore safety practices and/or not use protective equipment,then they're too stupid to live. Of course,I also believe crazy things like people should be responsible for their own actions,and parents should actually raise their kids. Weather on my planet:high 70's with slight breeze and no humidity. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 00:05:21 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28037 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12402 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 04:07:41 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 04:07:41 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA01400; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:01:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:01:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199909130401.AAA01400@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet I agree with the lane-splitting suggestion. I'd have DD'd as soon as I saw the cart starting to come loose. Another suggestion might have been using horn and hand jestures to try to get another vehicle to move and give you an escape route. Of course,the best action would have been to avoid being boxed in in the first place. If I see something like this happening,I start to slow down and try to go around. Big rigs make me nervous. Don't like being that close to huge spinning tires,and I don't like anything I can't see around. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 00:11:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28050 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26047 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f55.hotmail.com [209.185.131.118]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA05114 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90057 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1999 04:11:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990913041124.90056.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.220.24.134 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:11:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.220.24.134] From: "Joe Hacobian" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lets ship them off to the moon... Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:11:23 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Speaking of all those religious nuts, they were unleashed on the unsuspecting native americans, lets gather em all up and ship them off to the moon and all points far away... A possible downside is later finding out they've colonized on a distant planet and now there are religous right wing aliens... Just ignore me ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 05:39:48 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA05340 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18004 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 09:42:22 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 09:42:22 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA22021; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:35:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:35:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199909130935.FAA22021@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Who Dat? Hey all, Saw a yellow and black(blue?) CBR6 pulled over on 495 near Braddock Rd yesterday. Anyone from the list? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 08:41:38 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08786 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA00462 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:41:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37DCEFB9.C1842E7D@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:36:09 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Harleys are so much fun... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have in my possession the brand new H-D accessories book, a wieghty tome full of dazzling color pics and sugary descriptions - but woefully lacking in chick-pics. Oh well. Of course this new book is primarily devoted to the new twin-cam engine. I love the engine add-ons and the little symbols which mean "Not for street use" meaning the EPA/DOT has frowned sternly on aforementiond hop-up do-dads. Now Harley riders, being good citizens and all, would never ever equip thier street machince with a questionable part. Yeah, right. Ooooo, way cool! You can buy entire sets of sheet metal with bitching paint jobs for your H-D! Lemme tell, some of the designs are so butt-ugly I'd have to do a quickee Krylon cover job before you'd catch my skiiny butt riding that bike. But there's an upside - all I need to do is wait for some damn fool to toss a few thou down and get his/her new Flames From the Fires of Hell paint job and then pick up the old sheet metal for a couple bucks to play with. I have 4, or is 5, spray guns in an assortmant of sizes from weenie airbrush to hoser. I could have fun with spare body parts. The pages that interested me were the new *detachable hardware* kits. These gizmos allow one to quickly detach/install a variety of tail end dee-vices, like racks and touring trunks. Lemme see here - docking kit A, B, C, D - what the hell? Each dee-vice has the info, like needs docking kit A & C, and of course a note - certain models may need an additional Screaming Eagle Frazmagigger PN # blahblahblah... Methinks it would take longer to figure out what you needed than it would to install it. Hmmm... I'll stick to bungee cords and cargo nets. I like H-D's Motorclothes catalogue better. That one has chick-pics. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 08:41:34 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08783 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:41:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567EB.0045C4B6 ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:42:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.0045A9F2.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:42:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Screw Hlemets.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ROTFLMAO Got this from another list. Thought it rather amusing. http://www.visi.com/~sullivan/loudpipe.htm Don't kill the messenger. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 08:51:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09021 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28141 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13912 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA04597 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA00098; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:43 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE02312B25@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Collision Avoidance and MORE! Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Now that I finally have a moment to *maybe* positively contribute to the list . . . . (All work and no play makes Johnny a dull, well, you know, and at the moment I'm pretty dull . . .) Whenever I ride, I try to make things interesting to keep my level of alertness up. I attempt to concentrate on the *solution* vs. the problem. Example: Like another lister mentioned, if that box does happen to fall off, where will I go? Instead of concentrating on the box, waiting for it to fall, I look for my escape and increase my following distance or other variable to give me a "solution" to the problem. Another fun one is to see just how paranoid I can be. I assume that left turning weirdo *will* turn left and think of what I will do. It's saved me more than once and I also like to think it will help keep my reflexes younger as I get older. (he he) In spite of all the work I've been doing, I did manage to get away to Cincinnati, Ohio over Labor Day weekend via RT. 50. Definitely still one of my favorite roads. I was surprised to see about 7 cops in Romney, WV attempting to nail evil speeders. I was stuck behind a cement truck so I was "clocked" at 29 in a 55. (He He) John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 09:26:49 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user143.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09486 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EB.004A0807 ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:28:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "John Whiteside" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.004A0781.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:23:15 -0400 Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Now THAT terrifies me. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "John Whiteside" on 09/12/99 03:32:40 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) Much of the radical right has explicitly said that they want the US to be a "Christian nation" with our laws based on their particular brand of Christianity, right down to special privileges for their churches and denying equal treatment under the law to those that violate their church's precepts. This is, in my opinion, an enormous threat. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 09:30:39 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.45]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09642 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA02078 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA13359; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:30:04 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5675@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Vintage Run -- Sunday 9/12/99 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:29:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Jeff with the '84 Venture Royale wrote and told us about the Nostalgia Run in Thurmont, MD. I didn't check my email all weekend :), so I didn't know any dcc-ers were gonna be there, or I would have said hello. I had a great time. I was never on a poker run before, so I just followed along, enjoying the *perfect* weather. I won a motorcycle cover too! In fact, every bike in our gang of four won something (Donna-the-passenger didn't win anything, though). I'm particularly fond of old beemers with sidecars for some reason, and there was a righteous example of just such a beast there. I have this recurring vision of me riding through snow drifts on my way to work. :) The unrestored '59 Velocette and its owner were both very cool too. Loads of Nortons (even a single), a few Triumphs and Beezas (including a Gold Star for sale for $11K), an Indian 4 cylinder, and just a ton of other interesting stuff. If anyone on the list is a member of the Western Maryland Motorcycle Assoc., thanks for a great day! I'll definitely plan to attend next year. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 09:41:15 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09761 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15468 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:40:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990913093713.01493f00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:39:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) In-Reply-To: <852567EB.004A0781.00@172.16.2.37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:23 AM 9/13/99 , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: >Now THAT terrifies me. He did say 'radical right'. Good Republican / Libertarian voters like myself don't necessarily have anything to do with the church. Personally - I am a Godless heathen. Or so they say. > >Much of the > >radical right has explicitly said that they want the US to be a "Christian > >nation" with our laws based on their particular brand of Christianity, right > >down to special privileges for their churches and denying equal treatment > >under the law to those that violate their church's precepts. This is, in my > >opinion, an enormous threat. > > > > > >--- > >John Whiteside > >whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 09:57:16 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net [208.243.113.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10055 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03872 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909131356.JAA03872@prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: unknown X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: inbox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 From: Mark I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:12:24 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10304 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:12:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131012.AA13697536@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Mark CC: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:18:51 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user143.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10391 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:18:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EB.004ED262 ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:20:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Mark cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.004ED0B8.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:15:32 -0400 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline My old roommate was a VA cop and said that in VA it's considered "reckless driving" so I try to use my lane-splitting techniques sparingly in VA ; ) DC seems more lenient but someone I knew was pulled over for it. From what I've seen and experienced, the cops in DC just don't seem to notice too much unless it's female and walking down the street and they're in the mood for harrassment. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Mark on 09/13/99 09:55:49 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:30:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10642 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28738 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18162 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990913143510.29647.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:35:10 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Collision Avoidance and MORE! To: "Carver, John M, BGM" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Carver, John M, BGM" wrote: > Definitely still one of my favorite roads. I was surprised to see > about 7 > cops in Romney, WV attempting to nail evil speeders. I was stuck > behind a > cement truck so I was "clocked" at 29 in a 55. (He He) > > John > 98 VFR > And how did you find that out? === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:31:21 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10652 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id KAA04947; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990913103137.00a47220@132.147.168.1> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:09 -0400 To: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <199909131356.JAA03872@prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed People in cages definitely seem to get pissy here if you filter to the front at red lights... I'm amazed when the guy next to me and his wife start giving me dirty looks and start creeping up at the line (as if they're going to beat me off the start when the light changes!). At 09:55 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Mark wrote: >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red >light) >are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > >I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and >some >lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and >the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular >reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately >the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the >space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car >door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > >----- >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A >bergman@XXXXXX > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > >-- ************************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:35:02 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10670 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23433 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <199909131012.AA13697536@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, > the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more > splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, > without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. So, how does one get started with lane splitting. I'm mostly interested in doing it on the beltway in Montgomery County. I just haven't managed to get up the nerve or whatever to do it yet. The weird thing is that I have no problem breaking other traffic laws (speeding, double yellow passing, etc) and I happily lane split around accidents... Please help me to become more of a scofflaw! :) I guess I'm still not convinced that I'm not driving a car... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:35:54 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10749 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4NGIa09400 (4235); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45d251f9.250e6566@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:14 EDT Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, bergman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 I've found that easing along is the best way as well ... they don't like to be surprised, and while most drivers don't react at all, IF there's a reaction, in my experience as well - it's always negative (blocking the lane by squeezing the car REAL close to the centerline ... as for cops - only once have a I even seen any while lanesplitting....going up Independence Ave (toward Capitol) ... at the top of the hill is a red light....I pop out at the head of traffic waiting for the light - appearing rather suddenly from between the two trucks sitting in front ... to my surprise, there are two Hill cops standing around on the corner (as they often do), one of which started really YELLING at me to "get your ass over here RIGHT NOW", so I had no choice but to RUN the red light :D in order to stop his infernal yelling (they were on the other side) ... went over to them, took off my helmet ("ohmygod it's a girl!" is all over their faces) - they yelled some more about how dangerous splitting lanes is and then let me go... :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:40:18 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user143.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10790 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EB.0050C6CA ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Chris Norloff" cc: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.0050C62C.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:36:55 -0400 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline My theory as to why DC drivers (in general) don't get as upset about lane-splitting is that they are used to it because of the bike couriers. I also have found that while riding in DC cars notice me more...I guess they're used to the bikes (couriers) flying by them at odd times, so they're more prepared for it. I feel safer in DC on my bike than VA...but that's just me! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Chris Norloff" on 09/13/99 10:12:06 AM To: Mark cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. Chris Norloff -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:42:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10882 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131042.AA20316586@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: Drivers like that I find are fairly easy to deal with. I rev the engine a few times as the light's about to change. Then when the light changes, the cager roars into the intersection leaving a nice gap behind him for me to move into. :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Grant Heffernan Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:09 -0400 >People in cages definitely seem to get pissy here if you filter to the front at red lights... I'm amazed when the guy next to me and his wife start giving me dirty looks and start creeping up at the line (as if they're going to beat me off the start when the light changes!). At 09:55 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Mark wrote: >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red >light) >are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > >I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and >some >lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and >the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular >reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately >the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the >space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car >door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > >----- >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A >bergman@XXXXXX > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > >-- ************************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:43:31 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10916 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:43:29 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2GVJa23990 (4235); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:52 EDT Subject: attempted theft on Capitol Hill To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX, cb-1@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 some evil scum attempted to steal my bike Friday night. my cable lock has very recently rusted shut so I only had the disk lock on (stupid...). I came outside Sat am to see the bike moved about a foot from it's usual parked position, notice that apparently someone tried to take a hacksaw to the kryptonite lock and in their (thankfully) bungling amateurish attempt, managed to put a large gouge into the disk! So I guess I'll have to squeeze it into my gated, locked back yard from now on (sigh) ... the gate is pretty narrow and it can be somewhat challenging getting the bike in and out ... I just can't figure out why the bike had been moved .... (less than a foot) ... I mean, you can't hardly roll it with a disk lock on, and if they were able to pick it up, why not swipe a pickup and just carry the bike away? Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:45:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11001 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:45:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131045.AA18612736@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX I feel safer in DC on my bike than VA...but that's just me! ; ) ----------------------------- Me, too! I find there's more give-and-take in the city, and not so much testosterone-addled SUV rage. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:47:25 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11037 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA04269; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:47:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Bill Huson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harleys are so much fun... In-Reply-To: <37DCEFB9.C1842E7D@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, I have this on my Dyna and really like it. I can swap my rear seat and backrest for a luggage rack depending on if it's just me or if the Sig other is along... pretty cool. Installation wasn't that horrible either. - Bri On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Bill Huson wrote: > The pages that interested me were the new *detachable hardware* kits. > These gizmos allow one to quickly detach/install a variety of tail end > dee-vices, like racks and touring trunks. Lemme see here - docking > kit A, B, C, D - what the hell? Each dee-vice has the info, like needs > docking kit A & C, and of course a note - certain models may need an > additional Screaming Eagle Frazmagigger PN # blahblahblah... Methinks it > would take longer to figure out what you needed than it would to install > it. Hmmm... I'll stick to bungee cords and cargo nets. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:52:10 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11157 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id kFBVa06614 (4235); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:49:39 EDT Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/13/99 10:40:10 AM, kirk@XXXXXX writes: >I just haven't managed to >get up the nerve or whatever to do it yet. The weird thing is that I have >no problem breaking other traffic laws (speeding, double yellow passing, >etc) and I happily lane split around accidents... Please help me to become >more of a scofflaw! :) I guess I'm still not convinced that I'm not >driving a car... umm.....you are in fact, NOT driving a car!!!! :D as for lane splitting on the freeway .... while it's legal in California and I watched people do it there ALL the time at 60-70-80 mph, I don't frankly see how it's humanly possible to be aware enough to prevent accidents at those speeds ... 4-6 lane freeway - how are you possibly able to keep tabs on where ALL the cars are at all times? what about those lane-shifters that appear out of nowhere doing about 100 mph while changing 3-4 lanes at a time? what about the cars that suddenly "jump" from one lane to the next without signalling or demonstrating their intent to do so in any way? what if you are lane splitting next to them when they do it and they don't see you because you are in their blind spot? it seems like the splitting discussion here is mostly about going through pretty much STOPPED traffic at lights, or very slow-moving traffic..... any freeway lane-splitters wanna tell me how it's done? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:54:53 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11197 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:54:52 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id qYINa03711 (4235); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396c6883.250e69e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:53:28 EDT Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/13/99 10:51:14 AM, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX writes: >My theory as to why DC drivers (in general) don't get as upset about >lane-splitting is that they are used to it because of the bike couriers. I agree with Jeannette 100% .... marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:56:05 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11211 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24018 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > it seems like the splitting discussion here is mostly about going through > pretty much STOPPED traffic at lights, or very slow-moving traffic..... That's what the beltway is like in Montgomery county! If traffic were moving I'd have no motivation to lane split (I can get around the cars just fine when they're moving). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:05:54 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11566 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990913151023.10260.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:10:23 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well first you want to make sure your bike has a loud pipe, so they hear you coming. Next you want a super high intensity headlight, as bright as you can get.. either it will make sure you're seen, or have that "dazed deer in the headlight effect" and while they're wondering if you're a cop or the light at the end of the tunnel, or what the hell you are, you'll be passing them before they do anything like lane changes or open their doors. Also Learn to do and hold you're wheelies.. By putting your front wheel up in the air as you go past, you're more likely to be seen. It's eye catching, and if the driver still doesn't see you, maybe there will be some kid passengers who will freak out and make sure the driver knows of you. Also Doing it past a cop is a good idea as well, As when the cop sees you, he'll put on his sirens to help clear the path so you can be safer, so when you hear those sirens, just keep on going, rememeber, he's clearing the way for you. Also try to keep the speed up there, The best way to get through traffic is to dart right through it. That way the pricks out there who believe in blocking won't have time block you off. Also hold your horn, the more noise you can make the better. I suggest upgrading the the absolutely loudest horn you can find. Keeping it on as you drive past is the customary way of saying thank you. Once you've mastered lane splitting, you can try the shoulder lane, and opposite direction shoulder lane for some REALLY clear path driving lanes. The opposite direction shoulder is my favorite, you'll see how accomodating the cars are for you, as they even leave the lane closest to you, slow down or stop. It's wonderful, give it a try. Elvis I used to ride a harley. legal disclaimer: I am dead, I take no responsibilities for anyone who attempts the above. If you kill yourself, we'll do lunch. If you attempt to sue me, I will not be able to appear in court. If you attempt any of the above, Do not wear a helmet, as it's so big it may hit a truck mirror and that could really injure someone walking by on the beltway. Also, please notify the police before you plan to start this technique as they love to register you up for their "siren protection program" when they put the sirens on for you. --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > > In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my > experience, > > the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the > more > > splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through > gaps, > > without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. > > So, how does one get started with lane splitting. I'm mostly > interested in > doing it on the beltway in Montgomery County. I just haven't > managed to > get up the nerve or whatever to do it yet. The weird thing is that > I have > no problem breaking other traffic laws (speeding, double yellow > passing, > etc) and I happily lane split around accidents... Please help me to > become > more of a scofflaw! :) I guess I'm still not convinced that I'm not > driving a car... > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > 1984 Honda XR350 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:18:41 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11917 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:21:09 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28E2@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Kirk Roy'" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:12:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kirk, While I know where you're coming from on this matter, I'd have to say: "NO! Don't do it." After commuting via bike for a lot of years on the Beltway in PG, Montgomery and Fairfax county, not only is it just not done, it's likely to get you killed. The cagers are, at best, oblivious to us. At worst, they'll deliberately try to squash you. Pretty much the only memorable commuting "near misses" I've had have involved cagers changing lanes into me on the Beltway. In some cases, they just didn't see me and in other cases they clearly saw me and ignored me. On the other hand, I highly recommend using ALL lanes of the Beltway - even the short ones that only seem to appear near exits - to help speed things up. ;^) Perry -----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > >On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >> it seems like the splitting discussion here is mostly about going through >> pretty much STOPPED traffic at lights, or very slow-moving traffic..... > >That's what the beltway is like in Montgomery county! If traffic were >moving I'd have no motivation to lane split (I can get around the cars >just fine when they're moving). From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:22:22 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12097 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:22:20 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id LAA0000032198; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:23:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 I'll second (third?) that. Drivers in the city seem to be more aware of what's happening around them, probably because so much more IS happening, with taxis everywhere, cyclists, pedestrians, and so on. I also have noticed that this area has its own special kind of aggression, far different from what I've experienced in Boston or New York. In those places, people cut you off or buzz past you because they want to get where they are going. Here, people will do things just to keep you from getting somewhere -- pull up so you can't change lanes, zoom ahead to pass you then slow down, etc. It's a real mean aggression compared to what I've seen elsewhere. Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > My theory as to why DC drivers (in general) don't get as upset about lane-splitting is that they are used to it because of the bike couriers. I also have found that while riding in DC cars notice me more...I guess they're used to the bikes (couriers) flying by them at odd times, so they're more prepared for it. I feel safer in DC on my bike than VA...but that's just me! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Chris Norloff" on 09/13/99 10:12:06 AM To: Mark cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. Chris Norloff -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:24:10 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12139 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id LAA10316; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990913112512.00a4a290@132.147.168.1> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:26:01 -0400 To: , From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <199909131042.AA20316586@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I suppose that works just as well as opening the throttle, say, half way, and leaving a nice big gap with the cage behind me. Personal preference I guess ;-) At 10:42 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Drivers like that I find are fairly easy to deal with. I rev the engine a >few times as the light's about to change. Then when the light changes, >the cager roars into the intersection leaving a nice gap behind him for me >to move into. > >:-) >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Grant Heffernan >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:09 -0400 > > >People in cages definitely seem to get pissy here if you filter to the >front at red lights... I'm amazed when the guy next to me and his wife >start giving me dirty looks and start creeping up at the line (as if >they're going to beat me off the start when the light changes!). > >At 09:55 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Mark wrote: > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red > >light) > >are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > > >I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and > >some > >lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too > blatant, and > >the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any > particular > >reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately > >the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the > >space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > >door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > > >----- > >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A > >bergman@XXXXXX > > > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > > >-- > > >************************************* >Grant M. Heffernan >Field Systems Engineer >The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. >Reston, VA 20191 >ph: (703) 715-8721 >fax: (703) 715-8750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:31:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12320 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:31:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131131.AA52887974@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: Racing someone across an intersection is a good way to get hit by red-light runners. Sometimes you can confirm the intersection will be clear when your light turns green, but this is more rare in my experience. Another disadvantage of racing across an intersection is arriving at the other side going 40mph or so - if there's parked cars on the sides (typical in DC) then that's pretty fast. Now if you can time getting to the white line when the light turns green, and confirm the intersection is clear, then you can roll on a little and clear traffic easily. Otherwise, I prefer for the car to make all the noise and fury, and possibly gather attention of any police around. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Grant Heffernan Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:26:01 -0400 >I suppose that works just as well as opening the throttle, say, half way, and leaving a nice big gap with the cage behind me. Personal preference I guess ;-) At 10:42 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Drivers like that I find are fairly easy to deal with. I rev the engine a >few times as the light's about to change. Then when the light changes, >the cager roars into the intersection leaving a nice gap behind him for me >to move into. > >:-) >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Grant Heffernan >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:09 -0400 > > >People in cages definitely seem to get pissy here if you filter to the >front at red lights... I'm amazed when the guy next to me and his wife >start giving me dirty looks and start creeping up at the line (as if >they're going to beat me off the start when the light changes!). > >At 09:55 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Mark wrote: > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red > >light) > >are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > > >I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and > >some > >lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too > blatant, and > >the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any > particular > >reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately > >the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the > >space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > >door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > > >----- > >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A > >bergman@XXXXXX > > > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > > >-- > > >************************************* >Grant M. Heffernan >Field Systems Engineer >The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. >Reston, VA 20191 >ph: (703) 715-8721 >fax: (703) 715-8750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:39:14 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12499 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from treefrog (treefrog.kw.verio.net [129.250.30.36]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with SMTP id LAA28509; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03a301befdfd$e1f2ede0$241efa81@kw.verio.net> From: "Ken Woods" To: , "Mark" Cc: References: <199909131012.AA13697536@piglet.toward.com> Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:37:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. $70 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: Mark Cc: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:12 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom > There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. > > The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. > > Chris Norloff > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Mark > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 > > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) > are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some > lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and > the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular > reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately > the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the > space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > -- > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:40:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12512 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29235 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20763 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:42 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, zx@XXXXXX Subject: chain&safety wire? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Came back from a ride the other day, put the bike up on the c-stand to lube the chain. To my horror, the clip that holds the side plate on the master link was gone (yes, the closed end was facing the right direction). This has never happened in the 13 years I've owned the bike. Installed the clip from my spare link, threw a loop of safety wire through the link, twisted it up tight, trimmed the ends. So the clip is now wired to the outer side plate. I checked to make sure the wire wasn't hitting the rear sprocket as it goes around. Did a 200-mi ride yesterday, and everything's still there. Is this the proper way to safety-wire a master link and if not, what is? And yes, I'll be investing in a link riveter very soon. TIA for any help. Joe '85 Ninja 900 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:46:44 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12674 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from treefrog (treefrog.kw.verio.net [129.250.30.36]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with SMTP id LAA28697; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03de01befdfe$e0220900$241efa81@kw.verio.net> From: "Ken Woods" To: "Gil Nissley" , References: <199909130935.FAA22021@web2.chek.com> Subject: Re: Who Dat? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:44:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 It was probably me, but I was stopped just north of the toll road between 3:30 - 4:30ish(??) (it's a real bitch when bolts rattle loose. anybody want to help me safety wire the bike??) -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX CBRF4X ----- Original Message ----- From: Gil Nissley To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 05:35 Subject: Who Dat? > Saw a yellow and black(blue?) CBR6 pulled over on 495 > near Braddock Rd yesterday. Anyone from the list? From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12675 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:02:10 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:00:03 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , Mark Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:00:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Just a side note - I got yelled at by a DC cop last week for lane splitting on my bicycle! Sometimes when the weather is nice I ride to work. I was heading west on Independance Ave down by the monuments approaching an intersections where the traffic is controlled by a DC cop. So when the traffic stopped and a bus blocked my way between the right lane and the curb, I swung over to the gap between the first and second lane of cars and rode there for 300 or 400 yards. Then as I got 2 or 3 cars from the front of the line, the cop let traffic go, a gap opened up between cars and I swung over to the right side of the road. As I rode past the cop he yelled: "If you're going to ride in the street, you need to follows the laws or I'll give you a ticket!!!". I just laughed and continued on my way. Don B. - > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:12 AM > To: Mark > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom > > There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small > number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). > Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland > it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and > "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I > find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or > appearing to race, works well. > > The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He > moved over to block me but was easily avoided. > > Chris Norloff > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Mark > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 > > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red > light) > are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and > some > lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, > and > the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any > particular > reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but > unfortunately > the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make > the > space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > > door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > -- > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:46:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12686 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29287 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21013 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FI0006GX94PI6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:49:34 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: Redskins loose...my fault! To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <00a801befdff$9367e520$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Okay, so I'm watching the game, but it's soooo nice out. 4th quarter, ahead by 21 points. I take off for a quick 135 mile jaunt from Winchester, through Sperryville, up 340, and back to Winchester. I'm now feeling invigorated. Lot's of twisties under my belt, no mishaps, and the good old Redskins beat Dallas NOT!!!! My fault, I shouldn't have left. I apologize! (I'm sticking to riding, gonna stay away from the tube from now on). P.S. Passed quite a few riders yesterday on 211 around 4:30 or so. Anyone from the list out that way? I was on my Blue/White TLR Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web 1: http://www.fj1100.com Web 2: http://www.tl1000.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:55:53 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12823 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990913160023.18209.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:00:23 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: Ken Woods , cnorloff@XXXXXX, Mark Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder if that cop is reading this thread? Did you just recently start doing it, or did the discussion bring it about? Also, more importantly, what was the "official offence" listed as? I usually try not to lane split.. I don't get much out of it considering the risk / reward. That sucks though, about the ticket.. Life costs.. atleast it's a $70 ticket and not some idiot openening his car door doing $70 worth of damage to your bike... you can just mail a check in and it's over. oh btw where were you when you got the ticket and by what agency? Daniel --- Ken Woods wrote: > > I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. > $70 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Norloff > To: Mark > Cc: > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:12 > Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom > > > > There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively > small > number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, > etc.). > Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and > Maryland > it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested > and > "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is > tolerated. I > find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling > anyone or > appearing to race, works well. > > > > The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in > Virginia. He > moved over to block me but was easily avoided. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Mark > > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 > > > > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front > at a red > light) > > are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > > > I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the > cops, and > some > > lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too > blatant, > and > > the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have > any > particular > > reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but > unfortunately > > the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over > to make > the > > space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to > open the car > > door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > > > ----- > > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 > Stagehand > > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > > bergman@XXXXXX > > > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > > > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 12:01:42 1999 Return-Path: GennaM@XXXXXX Received: from ctelnt.ctel.com ([38.149.180.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13030 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ectel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:58:55 -0400 Message-ID: <084430AB93A2D211AA1500A0C9E9537625818A@ectel.com> From: Genna Melamed To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: RE: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:58:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't do it if cars are moving. There are many lane changes that go on when cars are moving slowly and it most cases they don't look all that much for other traffic. They see a small gap (that might have been created by you) and go for it. I usually split when traffic is dead stopped. As soon as it starts to move a little, I choose lane next to me. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:50 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, > the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more > splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, > without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. So, how does one get started with lane splitting. I'm mostly interested in doing it on the beltway in Montgomery County. I just haven't managed to get up the nerve or whatever to do it yet. The weird thing is that I have no problem breaking other traffic laws (speeding, double yellow passing, etc) and I happily lane split around accidents... Please help me to become more of a scofflaw! :) I guess I'm still not convinced that I'm not driving a car... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 12:09:48 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13140 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567EB.0058D515 ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:10:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.005805B4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:10:12 -0400 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline If you really want to get on those guys good side, refer to them as security guards rather than police officers. That kind of disrespect makes the veins pop out on their head. You can practically see the steam escaping from their collar. Talk about an inferiority complex. Sheesh! Steve >>I pop out at the head of traffic waiting for the light - appearing rather suddenly from between the two trucks sitting in front ... to my surprise, there are two Hill cops standing around on the corner (as they often do), one of which started really YELLING at me to "get your ass over here RIGHT NOW"<< From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 12:14:59 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13275 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10337; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: Ken Woods cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <03a301befdfd$e1f2ede0$241efa81@kw.verio.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Ken Woods wrote: > > I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. > $70 What was the violation cited? I understand there is no specific lane-splitting law, but that they have to conjure up various other laws about passing too often within a given distance or something. What does your ticket say? Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 12:25:33 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13480 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-134-134.s388.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.134.134]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id MAA26353; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:25:22 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 99 12:22:24 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: buh-bye To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Not to distract from the other threads we've got, but I just took a position in Cleveland, and will be moving there this week, so it looks like it is time for me to say good bye. Nice riding with ya'll and meeting people, and keep it safe. Looks like I'll be working on either a streetable rs250 or a monster dark in the next year, along with suspension work on the VFR. We shall see. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/13/99 HSTA/AMA 12:22:24 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 13:08:45 1999 Return-Path: shabbir@XXXXXX Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14302 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE5318C0B for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [209.219.73.39] (s39.mindshare.net [209.219.73.39]) by panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5872CB04 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: shabbir@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:21 -0400 To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" From: "Shabbir J. Safdar" Subject: And hello.....Re: buh-bye Hi, I just joined the list. I moved to DC almost 2 years ago, and have been riding for a few months. I ride a silver '75 bmw r60/6 that I bought from Bob's. I am the second owner. You may see it parked around Adams Morgan (18th and Columbia) or in the god-given cycle parking lot in front of the Asylum bar. Nice to meet you all, and I hope to see more of you. -Shabbir From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 14:23:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15678 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00400 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28015 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131423.AA6750596@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: chain&safety wire? X-Mailer: Personally, I just put a smear of silicone sealant on the clip (after cleaning with alcohol). I've lost master link clips before, but not one with the sealant on it. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JOE NAGY Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:35 -0400 >Came back from a ride the other day, put the bike up on the c-stand to lube the chain. To my horror, the clip that holds the side plate on the master link was gone (yes, the closed end was facing the right direction). This has never happened in the 13 years I've owned the bike. Installed the clip from my spare link, threw a loop of safety wire through the link, twisted it up tight, trimmed the ends. So the clip is now wired to the outer side plate. I checked to make sure the wire wasn't hitting the rear sprocket as it goes around. Did a 200-mi ride yesterday, and everything's still there. Is this the proper way to safety-wire a master link and if not, what is? And yes, I'll be investing in a link riveter very soon. TIA for any help. Joe '85 Ninja 900 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 14:25:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15721 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:25:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131425.AA31654332@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: CC: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: What were the specific circumstances? thanks, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ken Woods" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:37:26 -0400 > I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. $70 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: Mark Cc: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:12 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom > There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. > > The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. > > Chris Norloff > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Mark > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 > > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) > are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some > lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and > the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular > reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately > the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the > space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > -- > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 15:44:56 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17221 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:44:05 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:29:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:42:45 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-1@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. If you go for the latter, make it a pump: "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 16:11:06 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17638 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA22396 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:00 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:00 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:10:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >If you go for the latter, make it a pump: >"May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" Clark Brothers in Warrenton, VA has an excellent selection of used pieces - prices are good, and if you select a well-worn shotgun, the noise generated by working the action can be impressive - a universal language if ever there was one. :-) If you're into music and recording, working the action in front of a live microphone (with the volume turned up) should give every petty thief in a three-block range a heart attack. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 16:43:22 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18195 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27782; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37DD609B.D1812ED4@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:37:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom References: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > as for lane splitting on the freeway .... while it's legal in California and > I watched people do it there ALL the time at 60-70-80 mph, I don't frankly > see how it's humanly possible to be aware enough to prevent accidents at > those speeds ... 4-6 lane freeway - how are you possibly able to keep tabs on > where ALL the cars are at all times? what about those lane-shifters that > appear out of nowhere doing about 100 mph while changing 3-4 lanes at a time? > what about the cars that suddenly "jump" from one lane to the next without > signalling or demonstrating their intent to do so in any way? what if you are > lane splitting next to them when they do it and they don't see you because > you are in their blind spot? Methinks California lane splitting is restricted to creeping/stopped traffic and the lane splitter cannot exceed 15 MPH. Cages who open doors or try some other distardly trick are slam dunked by the law. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 16:53:17 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18393 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29097; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:53:09 -0400 Message-ID: <37DD62F1.2B532E82@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:47:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-1@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. > > If you go for the latter, make it a pump: > > "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" > > Joe THAT should work. According to my law enforcement pals who have the opportunity (/) to work raids, the clack-clack of a Mossburg 12 gauge being racked is so universally feared that it makes the bad guys freeze solid and sometimes soil thier undies. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:08:22 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18640 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17888 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:07:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990913170505.013f0d50@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:07:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <37DD609B.D1812ED4@patriot.net> References: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:37 PM 9/13/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >Methinks California lane splitting is restricted to creeping/stopped >traffic and >the lane splitter cannot exceed 15 MPH. Cages who open doors or try some other >distardly trick are slam dunked by the law. Something tells me that isn't true. I think they have to be within 10-15 MPH of traffic speed, but it can be moving. Don't quote me on that though - I get my info from usenet. Why would a cager open his door or stick his arm out? He is going to screw up his car, and likely lose an arm....I know this is a fear of lane splitters, but has it ever happened? I do believe a cager would squeeze in so there is no room to pass...that makes more sense....(well, relative sense). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:15:40 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18805 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990913211703.3588.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:17:03 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:17:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marcy, I think it's a good idea to put the CB-1 in the back yard and secure it with a cable. In my experience, a cable and disc lock hardly slow down professional thieves. Glad they didn't get away with your bike! Sean --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a > shotgun. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:21:44 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18886 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:21:42 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id RAA0000019226; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 I'm still trying to figure out how owning a shotgun would help when someone messes with your bike while you're asleep. Bill Huson wrote: > JOE NAGY wrote: > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. > > If you go for the latter, make it a pump: > > "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" > > Joe THAT should work. According to my law enforcement pals who have the opportunity (/) to work raids, the clack-clack of a Mossburg 12 gauge being racked is so universally feared that it makes the bad guys freeze solid and sometimes soil thier undies. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:23:05 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18896 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:23:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2OHJa09400 (4402) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <84058132.250ec513@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:27 EDT Subject: NON-MOTO/website building To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 sorry - I lost the email from whoever (Chris N????) said they might be interested in working with me to build a website for one of my clients ... email me again please!!! (you should know how to build databases....at least know more than me!) :D thanks. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:27:48 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18982 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:27:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rEJa005147 (4402); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:26:17 EDT Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: redsullivan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/13/99 5:20:31 PM, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: > Marcy, I think it's a good idea to put the CB-1 in >the back yard and secure it with a cable. In my >experience, a cable and disc lock hardly slow down >professional thieves. Glad they didn't get away with >your bike! > Sean I know I think you're right! I'll have to see if I can widen the gate entrance somehow or something... M. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 18:38:12 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20252 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09554; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37DD7B8C.3A618E7B@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:32:44 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could shoot the big mean dog for sleeping on watch :-) johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out how owning a shotgun would help when someone messes with your bike while you're asleep. > > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > JOE NAGY wrote: > > > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. > > > > If you go for the latter, make it a pump: > > > > "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" > > > > Joe > > THAT should work. According to my law enforcement pals who have the > opportunity (/) to work raids, the clack-clack of a Mossburg 12 gauge > being racked is so universally feared that it makes the bad guys freeze > solid and sometimes soil thier undies. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 19:02:41 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20756 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2PWAa22963 (4311) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7234416b.250edc65@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:01:57 EDT Subject: Another who dat? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Went to my sisters in Manassas Saturday and saw a green/white Kawa? pulled over by a cop. The rider was wearing a green/blue/white jacket and pacing as the cop was writing the ticket. Anyone on the list? Also, upon arriving in Manassas, was detoured around an accident at the stoplight right before the Suzuki car dealer. Looked like it involved a car and a bike and the bike lost. All I saw was what was left of the front of the bike and a black helmet lying on the road. I hope it wasn't anyone on the list and, if it was, I hope they weren't seriously hurt. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 19:18:18 1999 Return-Path: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21031 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:18:17 -0400 (EDT) From: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from rcover (adsl-151-200-23-94.bellatlantic.net [151.200.23.94]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA22794 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990913191424.007d13a0@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: rcover@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:14:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <37DD609B.D1812ED4@patriot.net> References: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:37 PM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote: >Methinks California lane splitting is restricted to creeping/stopped traffic and >the lane splitter cannot exceed 15 MPH. Cages who open doors or try some other >distardly trick are slam dunked by the law. > >Bill I lived in California for a little over a year ('94-'95). This is how it was explained to me by other riders (so this would still be an unofficial version). Lane sharing could be done in stopped or slow-moving traffic. The rider takes full responsibility for any accident occuring due to their lane sharing. i.e. if your mirror were to scratch a cage, it was your fault. Urban legend has it that a cyclist was lane sharing and a cage driver, supposedly upset about this, threw his car door open right in front of the rider. Apparently he was able to get witnesses to say this guy had no reason to open his door other than to hit the motorcycle and the cager was charged and had to pay all costs. I was never able to find anyone who could confirm this story, but most people had heard about it. If you like this legend, I have another California legend about a State Congressman who wanted to pass a law to put seatbelts on motorcycles. Rick Cover From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 21:25:27 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.yahoomail.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23261 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914012740.9032.rocketmail@web303.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:27:40 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: FW: FS: misc riding gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: motorle@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From another list I'm on...haven't read the digest yet, so if this is double post..sorry :) Figured there were enough women on the list to appreciate this since I hear it's very hard to find gear that fits properly... Collin Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:53:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing To: MIG Cc: Race@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Small Cycle Accessories Message-ID: <19990913185326.7697.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Last week, a lady pulled up to my garage with a sad story about her ZX6 being stolen. As she is not interested in another bike, she has some accessories leftover. They are all size small(except one helmet), and all in excellent condition. The items and prices are: Cordura "Canyon" All-Weather jacket with armor, Purple/Black - $200 Kevlor Gloves with knuckle splints, Black - $35 Arai Helmet, White - $100 Shoei Rage, Green/White/Yellow, XSmall - $100 Please email me direct if you are interested. Thanks, === Steve Clark(WERA Nv #220) '99 Suz SV 650 SV Mods: http://members.xoom.com/TightSqueeze/SVMods.htm Sponsor: http://www.FastLaneCycles.com __________________________________________________ === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 22:04:14 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23913 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914020421.24260.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:04:21 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Redskins lose...my fault! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They lost the game with a 21 point lead in the fourth quarter?!?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I needed a laugh like that... I've never been much of a football fan, but seriously, it takes talent to give up that many points that quickly... to DALLAS even?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA 211 was a much better choice! you should have been out there all day though instead!! Collin (Watch for me on TV at Michigan home games ;-) we got cheap season tickets!! lol) === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 22:26:25 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24261 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-200.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.200]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA28185; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:26:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00bd01befe58$5465fde0$c8a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: , "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:24:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >After getting used to lane-splitting in DC, I now see more escape routes on the road than I used to. Would splitting to move ahead, on the side opposite the hand truck, have been a possible escape route for you? All kinds of tactics got churned, various lansplittings included. Aggressive moves ahead and to the left were ruled out -- there was a huge truck on that side (and the other). When I'm on the slabs-- consideration of sudden moves is strongly damped, *particularly* when large trucks are around. Have seen too many reports of trucks avoiding squirrly vehicles and causing havoc. When I'm among trucks, I play truck. Not that a quick move might not be best in some situation, but it's a weighty decision. However, had I Hyabusa power, I might have strongly considered splitting to the left and getting out of there before that truck regarded me as a hazard. As it was, at 70 I realized it would take me a bit of time to do that, even downshifting, and that would have brought me closer to the front truck with its loose, unpredictable load and made me a recognized threat to the left truck. So I opted for slowing as best as possible and hoping to swing in behind left or right traffic as quickly as I could. Of course, as it unfolded that was not needed. Another post mentioned just staying away from trucks. Amen. I was uncomfortable from the start, trying to get out of this fix I happened to get caught in. Next time with more dispatch. > >Glad you're hear to tell us about it, Thanks. Metoo. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Need vertical takeoff capability Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 22:39:28 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24488 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA00647; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37DDB405.2C9656A5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:33:41 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harleys are so much fun... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, but you have a Dyna! Removing the old rack on a bagger is a major pain in the butt. Might be a good dead-o-winter project. Bill Brian Roach wrote: > Actually, I have this on my Dyna and really like it. I can swap my rear > seat and backrest for a luggage rack depending on if it's just me or if > the Sig other is along... pretty cool. Installation wasn't that horrible > either. > > - Bri > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Bill Huson wrote: > > > The pages that interested me were the new *detachable hardware* kits. > > These gizmos allow one to quickly detach/install a variety of tail end > > dee-vices, like racks and touring trunks. Lemme see here - docking > > kit A, B, C, D - what the hell? Each dee-vice has the info, like needs > > docking kit A & C, and of course a note - certain models may need an > > additional Screaming Eagle Frazmagigger PN # blahblahblah... Methinks it > > would take longer to figure out what you needed than it would to install > > it. Hmmm... I'll stick to bungee cords and cargo nets. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 23:08:26 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24976 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ewiley (209-122-212-40.s548.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.212.40]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09112 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990913231222.009b0c80@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:12:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, so now I am OFFICIALLY a poser! I bought my 1999 Aprilia RS50 from Coleman this sat. and it is beautiful! As you can imagine, it doen't go very fast (my ex500 feels like a big muscle car.. fast and impossible to turn) I'm still breaking it in (145mi on the odo and counting). The seating position is fairly severe, but not tortoure (took it to work today.. about 30mi one way to McLean not too sore). The best part is when i'm stopped at a light, and I get stares from people trying to figure out what i'm riding (it's as big/long as my ex, but sounds like a chainsaw). I haven't gotten gas mileage figures yet (bastards at coleman gave me something like .5 gal of gas, and told me it was "full" (it has a 3.5gal tank)) but i'm assuming that it'll be up in the high 70's or 80mpg :) It's definitely the most sporty/poser/beautiful 50cc in the world, and it's insured as a scooter. I think it's a pretty good trade-off to only have a max speed of 55mph (till the 70cc is bought..). Now, i need to find some 35mph twisty backroads..... --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 00:03:50 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25969 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from treefrog (treefrog.kw.verio.net [129.250.30.36]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with SMTP id AAA15021 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <073701befe65$e680b820$241efa81@kw.verio.net> From: "Ken Woods" To: References: <19990913160023.18209.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:02:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 From: Daniel aka ITM wrote: > Did you just recently start doing it, or did the discussion bring it > about? Been doing it in this spot since.....eh....forever? 95 and 495, on the North side. > Also, more importantly, what was the "official offence" listed as? "Improper lane change", and "driving off road to pass vechicle" issued by a Maryland State officer. > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. > > $70 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 00:37:23 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27058 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4503 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 04:40:04 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 04:40:04 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA01166; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:37:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:37:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199909140337.XAA01166@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Who Dat? On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:44:33 -0400 Ken Woods wrote: >It was probably me, but I was stopped just north of the toll road between Sorry,should have said,"pulled over by a cop". The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 00:41:10 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27101 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6283 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 04:43:51 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 04:43:51 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA01375; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:40:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:40:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199909140340.XAA01375@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:39:33 -0400 Troutman wrote: >Good Republican / Libertarian voters like myself don't necessarily have >anything to do with the church. Personally - I am a Godless heathen. Or >so they say. Might I suggest the new movie,'Stigmata'? Actually,wait for it on HBO. No nudity and the 'scary' scenes are ruined by techno music. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 07:02:12 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA04568 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:02:10 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id HAA17214; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:00:16 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017011; Tue, 14 Sep 99 07:00:04 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI10008FQPFEK@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.003C4CF0 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:58:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:58:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Redskins lose...my fault! To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.003C4DB1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yes, I'll be watching with particular interest when Purdue kicks the sh*t out of them later in the season. :-) --chris Go Boilers! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Collin T. Fagan" Date: 09/14/99 02:04:21 AM GMT Subject: Re: Redskins lose...my fault! --snip-- Collin (Watch for me on TV at Michigan home games ;-) we got cheap season tickets!! lol) === Collin T. Fagan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 07:30:57 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.103]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05002 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA117184 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:24 -0400 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.04) with SMTP id HAA28272 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:53 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EC.003F3BBB ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:40 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EC.003F39C2.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:37 -0400 Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline JOE NAGY wrote: > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. > > If you go for the latter, make it a pump: > > "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" > > Joe I thought guns were illegal in D.C. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 07:59:26 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05884 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02609; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:06:23 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8833@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Karl Mueller'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:06:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What's an Aprilia? Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 08:21:48 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06648 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-70-25.s25.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.70.25]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21704 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:21:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01befeab$b4322340$7a2daccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <852567EC.003F39C2.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Not shotguns. I was told by a DC cops when the apartment building where I was living was being stalked. 'Get a permit and get a shotgun' were his words. Not very confidence inspiring. Now living in the 'burbs... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (63K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ knapik@XXXXXX said: I thought guns were illegal in D.C. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 08:27:00 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06692 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA01963 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:26:55 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:10:03 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFE88.8C3D7D80.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:10:02 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very cool if you have Shockwave loaded: http://www.nettuno.it/fiera/powerhouse/flaszone/ing/frame.htm Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"?" -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:06 AM To: 'Karl Mueller'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) What's an Aprilia? Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 09:07:17 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07453 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:07:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 9PCOa22755 (4204); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:06:09 EDT Subject: Re: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) To: mjay@XXXXXX, k_d_mueller@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 9/14/99 8:06:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mjay@XXXXXX writes: << What's an Aprilia? >> An Aprilia is a small mountain goat found in the sub Alpine area of the Piemonte Region of northwestern Italy. It is extremely quick and is said to be viscious if provoked. Actually Aprilia is the largest non-Japanese motorcycle manufacturer in the world. It is a regular winner of the 125cc and 250cc GP class and currently the 250cc Champion. They now build a 1000cc Twin (to compete with Ducati commercially and in WSB) as well as the 125cc and 250cc 2-stroke road bikes which are very popular in Europe. They compete in 500cc GP with a twin which appears to be the quickest of the twins in that class, but twins don't appear to be able to keep up with the V-4s. They also build scooters in great numbers. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 09:15:17 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07601 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:15:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Aprillia... yummy.. :) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:13:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) D'OH!!! you're missing out on big time droolage if you don't know! And that RS50 is BIG TIME droolage.. you can EASILY put a 125 engine in there.. in which case, it'll do over 100mph.. :) Might be a strech for a 250 engine.. but I'm sure you could mix and match enough parts to get it on the road as a 250, while registered as a moped/scooter.. :) (Collin and I talked about it at the NY motorcycle show). Sorry.. don't remember their web page URL.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > What's an Aprilia? > > Mike > 82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 09:35:33 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07914 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id kUWKa22963 (4326); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:33:33 EDT Subject: stupid safety ideas To: rcover@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/13/99 7:24:11 PM, rcover@XXXXXX writes: >about a State Congressman who wanted to pass a law to put >seatbelts on motorcycles. a recent passenger of mine suggested boot clamps, much like the quick-release locks used in downhill skiing to attach your foot to the ski - yet theoretically if you fall, they unclamp and let you fly... LOL Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 09:37:12 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07917 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id sCMVa03711 (4326); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:35:38 EDT Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/14/99 7:36:41 AM, knapik@XXXXXX writes: >I thought guns were illegal in D.C. me too but then I was reminded of the "right to bear arms" so what's the deal? anybody know? oh and um.....ahem....motorcycle protection ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:07:43 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08491 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:07:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EC.004DD27D ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:10:01 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "LindaT" cc: "DC-CYCLES" Message-ID: <852567EC.004DD07B.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:04:16 -0400 Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, I think handguns are illegal and that's it. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "LindaT" on 09/14/99 08:21:42 AM To: "DC-CYCLES" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Not shotguns. I was told by a DC cops when the apartment building where I was living was being stalked. 'Get a permit and get a shotgun' were his words. Not very confidence inspiring. Now living in the 'burbs... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (63K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:13:35 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08588 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:11:48 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:09:29 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: How about a gun thread was RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:09:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don B. > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:36 AM > To: knapik@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply > > > In a message dated 9/14/99 7:36:41 AM, knapik@XXXXXX writes: > > >I thought guns were illegal in D.C. > > me too but then I was reminded of the "right to bear arms" > so what's the deal? anybody know? > oh and um.....ahem....motorcycle protection ;D > marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:29:33 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08862 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22998 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914102723.01488c40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:47:38 1999 Return-Path: free@XXXXXX Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09229 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (free@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA21308 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:26:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: How about a gun thread Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And I think that all people who want to ban my right (yes, right, not privlage) to own any gun should be shot. Would you like a blindfold? Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don B. > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:36 AM > To: knapik@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply > > > In a message dated 9/14/99 7:36:41 AM, knapik@XXXXXX writes: > > >I thought guns were illegal in D.C. > > me too but then I was reminded of the "right to bear arms" > so what's the deal? anybody know? > oh and um.....ahem....motorcycle protection ;D > marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:50:26 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09328 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:50:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199909141050.AA3801410@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread X-Mailer: How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0400 >At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:54:22 1999 Return-Path: Todd.Rist@XXXXXX Received: from alcsnmx1.nextel.com (unknown-20-226-197.nextel.com [167.20.197.226] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09338 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlntgw01.nextel.com (atlntgw01 [168.73.94.142]) by alcsnmx1.nextel.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00642 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ATLNTGW01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:52:46 -0400 Message-ID: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E012B7D1F@nhqntex01.nextel.com> From: "Rist, Todd" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:52:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did not know you could use wd-40 on bike chains? Thank You, Todd Rist (703) 433-8604 NHQ (703) 928-3564 PTN -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:54:59 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09350 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23128; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:54:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914105348.0149a940@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:54:26 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread Cc: In-Reply-To: <199909141050.AA3801410@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:50 AM 9/14/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle >valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. We covered that one last year, and determined that straight stemmers are the wusses. Long live right angle stems! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:01:11 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com ([192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09562 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:01:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567EC.00527B24 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:00:54 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: cnorloff@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EC.0052223B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:00:50 -0400 Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. Straight valve stems are way too intolerant of stems with an alternative life style, and should be shot in DC with an illegal hand gun. ;-) Steve From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:06:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09734 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07507 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23298 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FI200H241XBFU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:09:03 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19990914102723.01488c40@mail.wheatintl.com> To: Troutman Cc: Dc-Cycles Message-id: <001c01befec3$14915820$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) WD-40 is not much of a lubricant. It's main reason for being is "Water Displacement" and they perfected the formula on the 40th try (WD-40, what a catchy name). For this it is great, but it does not have the viscosity to stay on something moving as fast as your chain. It's excellent for cleaning, and even better for removing tar and gum! But as a chain lube I would stay away from it. I prefer something like PJ, but not the O-Ring stuff (even though I have an O-Ring chain). The O-Ring stuff seems to be a little too gummy. My steps are Clean it, Oil it, Wipe it as dry as possible, ride it, repeat! This is of course just my .02 cents. Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web 1: http://www.fj1100.com Web 2: http://www.tl1000.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 > > Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want > to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I > started using WD-40 only. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:06:59 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09745 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Tue Sep 14 08:07:44 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:06:20 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28E3@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: How about a valve-stem thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:59:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris, How about we give a special dispensation to those with right-angle valve stems on shaft driven bikes? After all, they can't wheelie or counter-steer... Perry -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Troutman Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0400 >At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:07:20 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09754 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23186; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914110615.01498840@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:37 -0400 To: "Rist, Todd" From: Troutman Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E012B7D1F@nhqntex01.nextel. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:52 AM 9/14/99 , Rist, Todd wrote: >I did not know you could use wd-40 on bike chains? Please tell me this is a troll. Please. Please. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:10:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09807 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07544 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23468 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23194; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:09:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914110703.0149b020@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:09:45 -0400 To: Gary Foreman From: Troutman Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Cc: Dc-Cycles In-Reply-To: <001c01befec3$14915820$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19990914102723.01488c40@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:09 AM 9/14/99 , Gary Foreman wrote: >WD-40 is not much of a lubricant. It's main reason for being is "Water >Displacement" and they perfected the formula on the 40th try (WD-40, what a >catchy name). > > For this it is great, but it does not have the viscosity to stay on >something moving as fast as your chain. It's excellent for cleaning, and >even better for removing tar and gum! But as a chain lube I would stay away >from it. I prefer something like PJ, but not the O-Ring stuff (even though >I have an O-Ring chain). The O-Ring stuff seems to be a little too gummy. >My steps are Clean it, Oil it, Wipe it as dry as possible, ride it, repeat! I was kidding about starting this thread, but here we go. The chain manufacturers recommend WD-40 as the primary lubricant. Spray it, allow it to set, then repeat every 400 miles. Much cleaner than chain wax gunk buildup. Many use WD-40 only. I spray chain wax every 3-4 lubes just to be safe. And the WD-40 does not harm the rings. A good alternative is 90 weight gear oil - as recommended by Honda....or just about anything according to the VFR list (including Lemon pledge). MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:26:45 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10093 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:26:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:26:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) gotta join in! whee.. here we go... > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > And the WD-40 does not harm the rings. > Nope, just the propelant they use to get the WD-40 to spary out of the can.... go buy a normal squeeze bottle and everything's peachy.. :) Brian McCoy (that info Also provided by the VFR list) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:46:39 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10556 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA15928; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:46:22 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001913; Tue, 14 Sep 99 11:31:51 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI200FIR38280@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.00550F55 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:29:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:28:38 -0400 Subject: Re: How about a gun thread To: Joe Schmoe Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.00550AE5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Joe Schmoe Date: 09/14/99 02:26:19 PM GMT Subject: How about a gun thread And I think that all people who want to ban my right (yes, right, not privlage) to own any gun should be shot. Would you like a blindfold? Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don B. > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:36 AM > To: knapik@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply > > > In a message dated 9/14/99 7:36:41 AM, knapik@XXXXXX writes: > > >I thought guns were illegal in D.C. > > me too but then I was reminded of the "right to bear arms" > so what's the deal? anybody know? > oh and um.....ahem....motorcycle protection ;D > marcy ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:09:51 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10976 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05166 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:16:47 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8834@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: danger danger (non-moto) (was RE: How about a gun thread) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:16:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain DANGER DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON SENSORS INDICATE IMPENDING LIST MELTDOWN Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:15:44 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11159 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914162052.982.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.181] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:20:52 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Saftey wire chain RE: How about a WD-40 thread To: "Rist, Todd" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Rist, Todd" wrote: > I did not know you could use wd-40 on bike chains? > Yep. My MOM says so. MOM = cutsie term of the MSF course for Motorycle Owners Manual. Okay aside from that, someone tell me how to saftey wire a chain, as that's what I'd like to do.. I'd like to have a little extra confidence my chain won't jam my backwheel. And is that how most chains come off, a failed master link? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:18:38 1999 Return-Path: free@XXXXXX Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11180 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (free@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA14114; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a gun thread In-Reply-To: <852567EC.00550AE5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The same place you learned to use strong arguments of proven fact to debate a point.. er, wait.. you're just nit-picking, I'm sorry.. Hope I'm not talking over your head, though I suspect I am. On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:30:03 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11380 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914163428.23058.rocketmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:34:28 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Karl's bike is cool. I rode it on Purcell Rd, (posted 40mph with curves posted at 25) It was fun to ride the bike almost WFO (Karl said I wasn't allowed to rev it higher than 10K) and not slow at all for the corners. For 50cc, it's very fast. It is quite buzzy, much more so than my moped. All it needs is a few more HP. Leon --- Karl Mueller wrote: > Ok, so now I am OFFICIALLY a poser! I bought my 1999 > Aprilia RS50 from > Coleman this sat. and it is beautiful! As you can > imagine, it doen't go > very fast (my ex500 feels like a big muscle car.. > fast and impossible to > turn) I'm still breaking it in (145mi on the odo and > counting). The seating > position is fairly severe, but not tortoure (took it > to work today.. about > 30mi one way to McLean not too sore). The best part > is when i'm stopped at > a light, and I get stares from people trying to > figure out what i'm riding > (it's as big/long as my ex, but sounds like a > chainsaw). I haven't gotten > gas mileage figures yet (bastards at coleman gave me > something like .5 gal > of gas, and told me it was "full" (it has a 3.5gal > tank)) but i'm assuming > that it'll be up in the high 70's or 80mpg :) > > It's definitely the most sporty/poser/beautiful 50cc > in the world, and it's > insured as a scooter. I think it's a pretty good > trade-off to only have a > max speed of 55mph (till the 70cc is bought..). Now, > i need to find some > 35mph twisty backroads..... > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:46:43 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11818 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Tue, 14 Sep 99 16:46:12 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa0022n; Tue, 14 Sep 99 16:46:04 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:46:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Saftey wire chain Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:44:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Easy enough. You take a short legnth of safter-wire, wrap it around the outerplate and the retaining clip a couple times, twist it off and make sure it's laying flat to the plate. Then, spin the wheel by hand to check and see that it doesn't catch or drag on anything. As someone (I didn't pay attention to who) said, you can probably use silicone goop aswell to hold the clip inplace... As for chain failures? I've never even heard of anyone having a problem on the street, though I've seen it happen on the race-track. I personally had a chain that I ran to tight and one of the normal links failed on me. I ended up running 2 masterlinks for a couple hundred miles till I got back home and put on a new chain. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel aka ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > Okay aside from that, someone tell me how to saftey wire a > chain, as that's what I'd like to do.. I'd like to have a little > extra confidence my chain won't jam my backwheel. > > And is that how most chains come off, a failed master link? From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:57:30 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12007 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA10203 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:57:16 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFEAE.50E4F760.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: How about a valve-stem thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:40:23 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't get me started on stem-cell research!- oops, different stem, sorry. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Troutman Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0400 >At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:58:18 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12017 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:59 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C6F7@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Another thing here is that thieves (bastards) don't steal what they can't see or don't know about. The further out of view it is from the road and/or sidewalk the less attempts will be made to steal it. Glenn In a message dated 9/13/99 5:20:31 PM, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: > Marcy, I think it's a good idea to put the CB-1 in >the back yard and secure it with a cable. In my >experience, a cable and disc lock hardly slow down >professional thieves. Glad they didn't get away with >your bike! > Sean >I know I think you're right! >I'll have to see if I can widen the gate entrance somehow or something... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:12:54 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12281 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:12:50 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA15572; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:12:46 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma005138; Tue, 14 Sep 99 13:02:47 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI200B1K7HU9V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.005D81A5 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:00:58 -0400 Subject: Aprilia RS50 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.005D8280.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Karl, How much is the US retail price for an Aprilia RS50? BTW, I don't suppose they qualify to race in YSR50 races, do they? :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Nearly 20x the displacement of an RS50, but not even 3x as fast :^p ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:14:23 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12291 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:14:21 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id NAA0000009525; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:13:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: How about a gun thread Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Gosh, gun nuts are a touchy lot, aren't they? THAT WAS A JOKE, PEOPLE. No one was debating a point or using any arguments, including you. And it seemed to me that much of this was tongue in cheek. Lighten up and stop getting nasty. Joe Schmoe wrote: > The same place you learned to use strong arguments of proven fact to debate a point.. er, wait.. you're just nit-picking, I'm sorry.. Hope I'm not talking over your head, though I suspect I am. On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:27:28 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12598 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id NAA0000010025; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:26:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 This is the very best advice. When I lived in DC I parked my bike (& truck) in a secure garage. one of the reasons I now live in Arlington is that finding a place in my price range with secure parking in DC was a little too challenging. Whereas in Arlington it's easier to find parking and I am comfortable with it being a little less secure. It's so worth the hassle of altering your gate so you can get the bike behind the house. (When I was looking at places on the Hill that seemed to be the best parking option... had I bought a place there I probably would have devoted my postage stamp size yard to bike parking.) "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Another thing here is that thieves (bastards) don't steal what they can't see or don't know about. The further out of view it is from the road and/or sidewalk the less attempts will be made to steal it. Glenn In a message dated 9/13/99 5:20:31 PM, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: > Marcy, I think it's a good idea to put the CB-1 in >the back yard and secure it with a cable. In my >experience, a cable and disc lock hardly slow down >professional thieves. Glad they didn't get away with >your bike! > Sean >I know I think you're right! >I'll have to see if I can widen the gate entrance somehow or something... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:44:43 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12943 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id uTPWa28691 (4323); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:42:27 EDT Subject: Re: How about a gun thread was RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/14/99 10:12:36 AM, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. ahem - ;D - this is the SHOTGUN thread marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:46:53 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13042 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:46:49 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id fJCDa09412 (4323); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1405242e.250fe3c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:45:42 EDT Subject: Re: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/14/99 12:58:17 PM, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX writes: >Another thing here is that thieves (bastards) don't steal what they can't >see or don't know about. The further out of view it is from the road and/or >sidewalk the less attempts will be made to steal it. it's in an alley, under a tree, around a corner, between the bushes, and covered! VERY hard to see!!!! but of course you're right - so I'll have to add "behind the fence" to the above list and get about 12 more locks and maybe tie up a doberman right to the bike... ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:48:38 1999 Return-Path: free@XXXXXX Received: from m-net.arbornet.org ([209.142.209.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13074 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (free@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA05848 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a gun thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just about as much as anti-gun people.. only thing is, my side is backed by something this country was founded upon. > -----Original Message----- > From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX [mailto:johnwhiteside@XXXXXX] > > > Gosh, gun nuts are a touchy lot, aren't they? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:51:50 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13161 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA19704 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.27] ([192.168.1.27]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA00019 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:53:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: anti-theft strategies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello all- We have started on a subject I am curious for people's opinion on- bike security. If (when) I ride my bike somewhere, I am wondering what the best ways are to lock it. Right now I throw a kryptonite lock through the front wheel, and assume that if they really want it, I am screwed anyway, but this will keep away casual thieves. My theory is this- a casual thief wants to ride it away, and a serious one will carry it if need be. I am already keeping away casuals (the kryponite locks are a real pain in the ass to get around- if they have a torch/ freon/ liquid nitrogen, who am I to stop em?), so I am worried only about the "serious" level. I suppose I could get a Chain (like the Kryptonite NY Chain) to lock the thing to whatever is around (lightposts/ steel fences/ etc), but does anyone actually do that? and why have a good chain when the only things to lock it too are mild steel (or worse) that will not require much to get through). And I don't plan to sit and watch the thing with shotgun/dog/etc, so not looking for that level of security/stupidity... Thanks Ned Suesse 96 cbr 600 f3 dreaming of aprilia rs250's... (and thinking that a 50 might be a fun place to start) ---------------------------------------------------- Ned Suesse GreyPilgrim 301.610.6393 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:03:03 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13354 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:02:47 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C700@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:03:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) WD-40 still makes a mess of the wheel, sprocket, and everything else (as I've noticed on others bikes). As per advice from Brian McCoy, I use the Honda Pro-lube which seems to be the best at not flinging off the chain. Be sure to get that chain good and hot first before applying the lube. Glenn >gotta join in! whee.. here we go... > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > And the WD-40 does not harm the rings. > >Nope, just the propelant they use to get the WD-40 to spary out of the >can.... go buy a normal squeeze bottle and everything's peachy.. :) >Brian McCoy (that info Also provided by the VFR list) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:05:10 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13432 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:04:06 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:04:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:18:42 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Redskins lose...my fault! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline (Watch for me on TV at Michigan home games ;-) we got cheap season tickets!! lol) Yeah, picking you out from the other 99,999 people in that stadium should be no problem! ;-) Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:05:13 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13435 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:04:35 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:04:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:51:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, knapik@XXXXXX Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I thought guns were illegal in D.C. That would explain why nobody ever gets shot there! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:12:47 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13592 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914181548.350.rocketmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:15:48 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've had them do both. The ones who want to be subtle about it will slowly slide over, others open the door and hold it there. The response is the same in both cases. Don't split lanes past this one. Find a way to make a legal pass in another lane then wave at him nicely and continue to split in front of him. Leon. --- Troutman wrote: > At 04:37 PM 9/13/99 , Bill Huson wrote: > >Methinks California lane splitting is restricted to > creeping/stopped > >traffic and > >the lane splitter cannot exceed 15 MPH. Cages who > open doors or try some other > >distardly trick are slam dunked by the law. > > Something tells me that isn't true. I think they > have to be within 10-15 > MPH of traffic speed, but it can be moving. Don't > quote me on that though > - I get my info from usenet. > > Why would a cager open his door or stick his arm > out? He is going to screw > up his car, and likely lose an arm....I know this is > a fear of lane > splitters, but has it ever happened? I do believe a > cager would squeeze in > so there is no room to pass...that makes more > sense....(well, relative sense). > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, > RED of course! > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:30:10 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13998 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:29:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Trailers.. Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:29:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) So, the time has come for me to buy an enclosed trailer.. Anyone have one, or know someone private that's looking to get rid of an enclosed that's somewhere near a 7'x14'? Any good leads on places that sell trailers? I've exhausted the yellow-pages, and the net doesn't yield a whole heck of a lot.... Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:30:57 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14010 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:30:55 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id OAA0000013490; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:30:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Joe Schmoe Subject: Re: Re: How about a gun thread Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 As Elvis Costello sang, "... and a German sense of humor." Joe Schmoe wrote: > Just about as much as anti-gun people.. only thing is, my side is backed by something this country was founded upon. > -----Original Message----- > From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX [mailto:johnwhiteside@XXXXXX] > > > Gosh, gun nuts are a touchy lot, aren't they? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:35:32 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14111 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:35:30 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id OAA0000014014; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:34:58 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Hmm. There are two sides to the visibility coin. In my old Boston neighborhood, there were the parking "haves" (who had spots in the alley behind our block) and the "have nots" like me (who parked on the street). While hunting for parking was a pain, I did notice that there seemed to be more vandalism in the alley-- out of sight of passers-by. Sometimes that out of the way, out of view spot provides a nice quiet place for a thief to do his dirty work. So maybe in plain view, locked down tight is better than out of view, but outdoors. This probably depends on the business of your street, too. I lived somewhere where people were constantly walking by, which makes it tougher to execute a theft that takes more that a very short time. Don't you hate having to worry about this crap? I know I do. JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/14/99 12:58:17 PM, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX writes: >Another thing here is that thieves (bastards) don't steal what they can't >see or don't know about. The further out of view it is from the road and/or >sidewalk the less attempts will be made to steal it. it's in an alley, under a tree, around a corner, between the bushes, and covered! VERY hard to see!!!! but of course you're right - so I'll have to add "behind the fence" to the above list and get about 12 more locks and maybe tie up a doberman right to the bike... ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:36:13 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14121 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI200C05BKNZR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:34:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA04809; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990914183359.ZVDS618@toddnt>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:33:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:31:16 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) In-reply-to: <01BEFE88.8C3D7D80.bernescut@ncea.org> To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000a01befedf$54a16ce0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I kindof like that RSVmille > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:10 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) > > > Very cool if you have Shockwave loaded: > > http://www.nettuno.it/fiera/powerhouse/flaszone/ing/frame.htm > > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > "Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"?" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:06 AM > To: 'Karl Mueller'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) > > What's an Aprilia? > > Mike > 82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:42:44 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14216 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA30825 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:42:34 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:25:42 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFEBD.06A1E5A0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:25:41 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ned: I ride into DC and park in a gated garage so I'm lucky in that sense, but before I got access to the garage I had to park outside. I bought a Kryptonite Barbed Wire cable at a local shop http://www.kryptonitelock.com/abc.html and coiled it up into my tankbag. I locked the bike to a large pole using a Kyrptonite disc lock and running the cable through the frame of my CBR600. Eventually this can get old, but its the only cable flexible enough for me to fit somewhere on the bike. I would probably recommend their New York lock, but it weighs a ton and is a little difficult to carry around. If you can get away with it, Coleman (no booing or hissing please) in Falls Church carries an anchoring system you bolt to the ground and combined with a good chain really leaves the thief with dynamite as his only option. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Ned Suesse [SMTP:nsuesse@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:53 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: anti-theft strategies Hello all- We have started on a subject I am curious for people's opinion on- bike security. If (when) I ride my bike somewhere, I am wondering what the best ways are to lock it. Right now I throw a kryptonite lock through the front wheel, and assume that if they really want it, I am screwed anyway, but this will keep away casual thieves. My theory is this- a casual thief wants to ride it away, and a serious one will carry it if need be. I am already keeping away casuals (the kryponite locks are a real pain in the ass to get around- if they have a torch/ freon/ liquid nitrogen, who am I to stop em?), so I am worried only about the "serious" level. I suppose I could get a Chain (like the Kryptonite NY Chain) to lock the thing to whatever is around (lightposts/ steel fences/ etc), but does anyone actually do that? and why have a good chain when the only things to lock it too are mild steel (or worse) that will not require much to get through). And I don't plan to sit and watch the thing with shotgun/dog/etc, so not looking for that level of security/stupidity... Thanks Ned Suesse 96 cbr 600 f3 dreaming of aprilia rs250's... (and thinking that a 50 might be a fun place to start) ---------------------------------------------------- Ned Suesse GreyPilgrim 301.610.6393 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:55:38 1999 Return-Path: FatGuyRide@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14453 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: FatGuyRide@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA25072 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FatGuyRide@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vGVUa22963 (3967) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d8e868d.250ff3fa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:54:50 EDT Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 I agree that there is probably little to do about the "serious" thieves. I am perhaps fortunate enough to live in an area that doesn't scream villainy and hooliganism too loudly. However, never one to easily fall victim to casual thievery, I too am looking into ways to help secure my ride. One way I'm looking into is adding an unassuming second kill switch to the bike. I've found that the best disguise for something you don't want someone to find is to put it right in plain view. A fake cruise control nobby or perhaps a parking light switch would be good candidates. I'm not really one fer toting shotguns or dogs around everywhere I go...I much prefer the feel of bones snapping from excessive application of pressure. The more passive deterrents I put on the bike the better the chances of me crushing some thievin' skulls! J Just a thought........ Rich ' 79 Yamaha 750 Special ' 76 KZ400 Manassas, VA ================================= Be safe...be courteous...and always let the Fat Guy ride! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:55:44 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14455 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01019; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:55:30 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFEBE.CE61A660.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:38:26 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, that is a sweet bike. I hope they get their dealer network up and succeed here in the states. In Europe, their sales of several million scooters helps support their more exotic bikes, which is why I hope they do well because the US has not been a typically strong scooter market up to now. In Europe, especially Italy, everyone rides one, here its seen as a "student/young person" thing, but since they have much more congested traffic along with higher fuel prices, economically and socially, small, light transportation is a matter of necessity. Every time I visit the "old" country I'm amazed at how developed these machines are; there are entire leagues for racing 50cc machines and Aprilia is as much of a racing success and household name as Honda or Ducati. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:31 PM To: bernescut@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) I kindof like that RSVmille > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:10 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) > > > Very cool if you have Shockwave loaded: > > http://www.nettuno.it/fiera/powerhouse/flaszone/ing/frame.htm > > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > "Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"?" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:06 AM > To: 'Karl Mueller'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) > > What's an Aprilia? > > Mike > 82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 15:06:24 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14764 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8te (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id PAA09945; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <021901befee5$26fdb680$9c5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <01BEFEBD.06A1E5A0.bernescut@ncea.org> Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:12:56 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm planning on mentioning just such an item to my apartment complex. In an effort to allow the several motorcycles in my neighhboring building to install these things in 1 or 2 spaces and devote those spaces to motorcycles. Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Cedric Bernescut To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:25 PM Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies > Ned: > > I ride into DC and park in a gated garage so I'm lucky in that sense, but > before I got access to the garage I had to park outside. I bought a > Kryptonite Barbed Wire cable at a local shop > http://www.kryptonitelock.com/abc.html and coiled it up into my tankbag. > I locked the bike to a large pole using a Kyrptonite disc lock and running > the cable through the frame of my CBR600. Eventually this can get old, but > its the only cable flexible enough for me to fit somewhere on the bike. I > would probably recommend their New York lock, but it weighs a ton and is a > little difficult to carry around. If you can get away with it, Coleman (no > booing or hissing please) in Falls Church carries an anchoring system you > bolt to the ground and combined with a good chain really leaves the thief > with dynamite as his only option. > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ned Suesse [SMTP:nsuesse@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: anti-theft strategies > > Hello all- > We have started on a subject I am curious for people's > opinion on- bike security. If (when) I ride my bike somewhere, I am > wondering what the best ways are to lock it. Right now I throw a > kryptonite lock through the front wheel, and assume that if they > really want it, I am screwed anyway, but this will keep away casual > thieves. My theory is this- a casual thief wants to ride it away, and > a serious one will carry it if need be. I am already keeping away > casuals (the kryponite locks are a real pain in the ass to get > around- if they have a torch/ freon/ liquid nitrogen, who am I to > stop em?), so I am worried only about the "serious" level. I suppose > I could get a Chain (like the Kryptonite NY Chain) to lock the thing > to whatever is around (lightposts/ steel fences/ etc), but does > anyone actually do that? and why have a good chain when the only > things to lock it too are mild steel (or worse) that will not require > much to get through). > > And I don't plan to sit and watch the thing with shotgun/dog/etc, so > not looking for that level of security/stupidity... > > Thanks > Ned Suesse > > 96 cbr 600 f3 > > dreaming of aprilia rs250's... (and thinking that a 50 might be a fun > place to start) > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Ned Suesse > GreyPilgrim > 301.610.6393 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 15:06:32 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14767 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914190552.10539.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:05:52 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a Kryptonite Barbed Wire cable attached to a Kryptonite disc lock on a sportbike that was stolen from under my window in June. The thieves cut through the cable easily and silently and then dragged the bike away with the disc lock. It seems something heavier (New York Chain, Cobralinks) plus an alarm might work better, but as Glenn said, I'm convinced that if professional thieves can see your bike and have a little undisturbed time, they will get it. Sean Sullivan --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Ned: > > I ride into DC and park in a gated garage so I'm > lucky in that sense, but > before I got access to the garage I had to park > outside. I bought a > Kryptonite Barbed Wire cable at a local shop > http://www.kryptonitelock.com/abc.html and coiled > it up into my tankbag. > I locked the bike to a large pole using a > Kyrptonite disc lock and running > the cable through the frame of my CBR600. > Eventually this can get old, but > its the only cable flexible enough for me to fit > somewhere on the bike. I > would probably recommend their New York lock, but it > weighs a ton and is a > little difficult to carry around. If you can get > away with it, Coleman (no > booing or hissing please) in Falls Church carries an > anchoring system you > bolt to the ground and combined with a good chain > really leaves the thief > with dynamite as his only option. > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ned Suesse [SMTP:nsuesse@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: anti-theft strategies > > Hello all- > We have started on a subject I am curious for > people's > opinion on- bike security. If (when) I ride my bike > somewhere, I am > wondering what the best ways are to lock it. Right > now I throw a > kryptonite lock through the front wheel, and assume > that if they > really want it, I am screwed anyway, but this will > keep away casual > thieves. My theory is this- a casual thief wants to > ride it away, and > a serious one will carry it if need be. I am already > keeping away > casuals (the kryponite locks are a real pain in the > ass to get > around- if they have a torch/ freon/ liquid > nitrogen, who am I to > stop em?), so I am worried only about the "serious" > level. I suppose > I could get a Chain (like the Kryptonite NY Chain) > to lock the thing > to whatever is around (lightposts/ steel fences/ > etc), but does > anyone actually do that? and why have a good chain > when the only > things to lock it too are mild steel (or worse) that > will not require > much to get through). > > And I don't plan to sit and watch the thing with > shotgun/dog/etc, so > not looking for that level of security/stupidity... > > Thanks > Ned Suesse > > 96 cbr 600 f3 > > dreaming of aprilia rs250's... (and thinking that a > 50 might be a fun > place to start) > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Ned Suesse > GreyPilgrim > 301.610.6393 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 15:12:48 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14877 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:12:03 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:51:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:50:50 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, mriderleon@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> Leon Begeman - 9/14/99 2:15 PM >>> I've had them do both. The ones who want to be subtle about it will slowly slide over, others open the door and hold it there. The response is the same in both cases. Don't split lanes past this one. Find a way to make a legal pass in another lane then wave at him nicely and continue to split in front of him. Then loosen your helmet strap, lift up the chin strap, and hock a big loogie on his windshield! What? Dang, I thought this was the "lane spitting" thread . . . sorry . . . Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 15:58:47 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15750 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23234; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEA7AA.FBDCB4DE@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:53:14 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <4.2.0.58.19990914102723.01488c40@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's cuz WD-40 BITES! Got to a marine store and get CR-56 or 66. I use to use LPS-??? something on my chains, and then I discovered the joy of belts. Bill Troutman wrote: > Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want > to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I > started using WD-40 only. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, > RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:10:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15950 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24862; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEAA6A.3EAF0B18@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:04:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply References: <1405242e.250fe3c6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got mine inna carport, behind a closed garage door (carport with garage doors - go figure) and secured with the fork lock thinger that came stock. But I have an attack cat - a jet black older than dirt female with a bad attitude. She sleeps on the nice leather pillion seat and woe be the bugger who attempts to roust her. Bill > it's in an alley, under a tree, around a corner, between the bushes, and > covered! > VERY hard to see!!!! > but of course you're right - so I'll have to add "behind the fence" to the > above list and get about 12 more locks and maybe tie up a doberman right to > the bike... > ;D > > marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:11:48 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15972 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA15664; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:11:36 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012763; Tue, 14 Sep 99 16:07:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI200FW1G1C9R@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.006E6789 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:05:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:05:33 -0400 Subject: Re: How about a gun thread To: Joe Schmoe Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.006E67A0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yep, I was responding to your wickedly intellectual argument, which was "shoot everyone who does not agree with me". You are right, that one went way over my head. Hard to keep up with someone as bright as you. However, you are in good company with the "shoot those that disagree with me" argument. I think a short Austrian corporal by the name of Adolph perfected that technique in the 1940s (yes, after he confiscated many private firearms). If you would like to compare where I was educated and where I learned to use such strong arguments, go ahead Joe Schmoe. I would love to see your credentials. Mark PS: The country was founded on a complex issue involving taxation and tariffs (like most great revolutions, its was based on economics) NOT the right to bear arms. The right to bear arms was integral to our ability to effect a change of government since the majority of the fighting was done by citizen soldiers. If the country was 'founded' upon everything our forefathers put in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, it was also founded on the notion that ownership of fellow man was acceptable. To: Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington DC/C&L/US@Americas-US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Joe Schmoe Date: 09/14/99 04:06:18 PM GMT Subject: Re: How about a gun thread The same place you learned to use strong arguments of proven fact to debate a point.. er, wait.. you're just nit-picking, I'm sorry.. Hope I'm not talking over your head, though I suspect I am. On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:17:06 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16140 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:15:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199909141615.AA934674716@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , , , , Subject: Re: lane spitting X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JOE NAGY Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:50:50 -0400 >Then loosen your helmet strap, lift up the chin strap, and hock a big >loogie on his windshield! What? Dang, I thought this was the "lane >spitting" thread . . . sorry . . . Joe, I've found that a flip-face helmet such as my Nolan N-100 is much better at facilitating loogie-launching at offending cages. Also, if you wear a camel-bak water bladder on longer rides, you have a virtually unlimited supply of "ammo", so to speak. :) Now actively working on aim and distance, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- ---------- Original Message ------------------------ From: JOE NAGY Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:50:50 -0400 >>> Leon Begeman - 9/14/99 2:15 PM >>> I've had them do both. The ones who want to be subtle about it will slowly slide over, others open the door and hold it there. The response is the same in both cases. Don't split lanes past this one. Find a way to make a legal pass in another lane then wave at him nicely and continue to split in front of him. Then loosen your helmet strap, lift up the chin strap, and hock a big loogie on his windshield! What? Dang, I thought this was the "lane spitting" thread . . . sorry . . . Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:18:16 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16158 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:18:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199909141618.AA315228214@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Troutman , Bill Huson CC: Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:53:14 -0400 > I use to use LPS-??? something on my chains, and then I discovered > the joy of belts. Is this my cue to mention the joy of shaft drives? Lube? Yeah, I lubed the bike 12 months ago. What's a master link? :) Horkster (shafties rule!) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:25:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16266 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26683; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEADEF.7F2320E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:19:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Trailers.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a trailer joint in So MD. Want Ad usually has trailers. Sevral considerations, having owned a buncha trailers and built more'n a half dozen custom trialers for baot racers, is WHAT are you towing it with? Both my vehicles are trucks with 3.5 rear axle ratios for towing, and automatic. Sticks can't tow as much gross wieght, as per OEM specs. Standard axle ratios are also limited as they're set up for econo-blasting and kind of come up gasping with a load behind it. Enclosed trailers are heavy. For bikes a single axle rig is all you'll need, and the frame can be light duty, but most built for sale trailers are built like the proverbial brick outhouse. So make sure your vehicle will tow it. Bill fixing to sparky together a twin rail rig McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > So, the time has come for me to buy an enclosed trailer.. Anyone have one, > or know someone private that's looking to get rid of an enclosed that's > somewhere near a 7'x14'? Any good leads on places that sell trailers? I've > exhausted the yellow-pages, and the net doesn't yield a whole heck of a > lot.... Any info would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:28:15 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16353 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27083; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:28:09 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEAE93.3B8CF002@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:22:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <199909141618.AA315228214@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Bill Huson > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:53:14 -0400 > > > I use to use LPS-??? something on my chains, and then I discovered > > the joy of belts. > > Is this my cue to mention the joy of shaft drives? Lube? Yeah, > I lubed the bike 12 months ago. What's a master link? :) > > Horkster (shafties rule!) > I lubed my belt - er - never have. No gears, no grease, no problem :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:32:20 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16473 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24159 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914162909.01403960@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: High Winds and Bike Storage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday=20 thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse,=20 covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for=20 stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months=20 ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my=20 concern. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:32:52 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16491 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24156; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914162629.013f1960@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:29:07 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: How about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) Cc: Joe Schmoe , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852567EC.006E67A0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 04:05 PM 9/14/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Yep, I was responding to your wickedly intellectual argument, which was >"shoot everyone who does not agree with me". You are right, that one went >way over my head. Hard to keep up with someone as bright as you. However, >you are in good company with the "shoot those that disagree with me" >argument. I think a short Austrian corporal by the name of Adolph >perfected that technique in the 1940s (yes, after he confiscated many >private firearms). Castro too. He formed a gun club in the country, providing free ammo to=20 the Cubans who joined. Then gathered a list of every gun owner in the=20 country and went door to door, collecting their weapons. I don't agree with Joe, but I own a couple of guns, and I do intend on=20 keeping them. I don't see any place for automatic weapons in the hands of= =20 citizens, but who am I to say they can't have them and enjoy them safely? .02 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:40:42 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16645 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:39:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199909141639.AA100794838@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , CC: , Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:22:43 -0400 >I lubed my belt - er - never have. No gears, no grease, no problem :-) I've tried really hard to not like them, but I really can't say much bad about belt drives. Tracy's old Savage had a belt, so does my Father-in-Law's Kawi 440 LTD. Set the tension once and more or less forget about them.Not bad. Not bad at all. IMO, belts are far better than chains, I have heard they don't like gravel roads very well. But then again most street bikes don't see a whole lot of gravel roads anyway. (Except Leon's). I'll never own another chain-drive bike, that's for sure. WAAAYYY too much bother and expense if you put real miles on 'em. I could be swayed to belt drives, though. Horkster (shafties and belts rule?) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:48:13 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16863 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:48:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EC.00727F56 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:50:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EC.00727D69.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:44:46 -0400 Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=fef68CsIAjbeOtvhgC8dsOmR8A0dBB7rWZLULRP8BlXesL9kPyk0KiXL" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=fef68CsIAjbeOtvhgC8dsOmR8A0dBB7rWZLULRP8BlXesL9kPyk0KiXL Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hmmm, I guess I won't be riding to work that day! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Troutman on 09/14/99 04:31:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: High Winds and Bike Storage Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse, covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my concern. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K --0__=fef68CsIAjbeOtvhgC8dsOmR8A0dBB7rWZLULRP8BlXesL9kPyk0KiXL Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =F6nig = --0__=fef68CsIAjbeOtvhgC8dsOmR8A0dBB7rWZLULRP8BlXesL9kPyk0KiXL-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:56:32 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net [208.243.113.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17005 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08290 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909142055.QAA08290@prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: inbox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:44 EDT." <4.2.0.58.19990914162909.01403960@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:55:36 -0400 From: Mark In your message dated: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:44 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday => thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse, => covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for => stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months => ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. Not only does the cover act like a sail, but in a good wind, it will do a nice job of buffing the wax, clear coat, top coat, decals, and paint right off the bike. You may get to see the raw fiberglass. I vote for centerstand, though physics-wise, the sidestand is probably better. If you want more of a lean angle, park on a piece of 3/4" plywood (and have the foot of the sidestand _off_ the plywood. => => The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my => concern. => => ___________________________________________ => Mike Troutman => http://www.troutman.org/vfr => => '97 Honda VFR 750 => 16k and counting => => Das VFR ist König => ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 17:07:54 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17254 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:07:51 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA12830; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:07:25 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma010119; Tue, 14 Sep 99 17:04:19 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI2002TPIO7NJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.00739AED ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:02:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:02:18 -0400 Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.00739ACE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=UiDAhccptpRsX2A9HeUhq3uJUfWRdW7j1fS7tlLza1LXBVR7m3u1hkSh" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL --0__=UiDAhccptpRsX2A9HeUhq3uJUfWRdW7j1fS7tlLza1LXBVR7m3u1hkSh Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've always heard (and I believe) that the sidestand is much more stable than a centerstand. The bike's footprint between points of contact is much greater when on a sidestand. Wider is better, as Pontiac likes to say. I too have my bike parked in front of my townhouse and I'm concerned as well. I'd leave the cover off, but I'd hate to think of it shivering out there without its blanket. ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Troutman Date: 09/14/99 08:31:44 PM GMT Subject: High Winds and Bike Storage --0__=UiDAhccptpRsX2A9HeUhq3uJUfWRdW7j1fS7tlLza1LXBVR7m3u1hkSh Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse,= covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months= ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is = my concern. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity t= o which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, o= r taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you rece= ived this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from = any computer. = --0__=UiDAhccptpRsX2A9HeUhq3uJUfWRdW7j1fS7tlLza1LXBVR7m3u1hkSh-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 17:19:27 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17457 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA24385; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:19:23 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021408; Tue, 14 Sep 99 17:15:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI2004SJJ700Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.0074A4DB ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:14:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:13:33 -0400 Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.0074A4E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It's strange... the people who normally buy shafties are long-distance types (I'm exagerrating I know). I wouldn't think long distance types and "bother and expense" were all that foreign to one another. I'm kidding of course. To each their own, but I don't consider having a chain drive to be any bother or expense. I seem to go through tires fast enough that chain adjustment is a non-issue. :^) A quick squirt of chain lube every now and then doesn't seem to much of a bother either. I assume there's some performance loss due to belts, or more high-performance bikes would use them. Any validity to this? Maybe it just seems that way due to the hamster-wheel engines that are generally attached to the belt drives one usually sees. ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Horkster wrote: I'll never own another chain-drive bike, that's for sure. WAAAYYY too much bother and expense if you put real miles on 'em. I could be swayed to belt drives, though. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 17:57:21 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18206 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA05772; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:57:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Trailers.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is for sale...... http://www.kens.com/trailerpics For sale, or trade for an open deck single axle car trailer. Make offers....... On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > So, the time has come for me to buy an enclosed trailer.. Anyone have one, > or know someone private that's looking to get rid of an enclosed that's > somewhere near a 7'x14'? Any good leads on places that sell trailers? I've > exhausted the yellow-pages, and the net doesn't yield a whole heck of a > lot.... Any info would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Brian McCoy > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 18:48:30 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19094 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12017; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:48:16 -0400 Message-ID: <37DECF66.FF5BEB0D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:42:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage References: <4.2.0.58.19990914162909.01403960@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Side stand with the bars cranked full left. Might want to ditch the *sail* and go neked. Also, in times like these, lashing that steed down to a tree or car is a cool idea. Bill Troutman wrote: > Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday > thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse, > covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for > stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months > ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. > > The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my > concern. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 16k and counting > > Das VFR ist König From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 18:52:48 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19183 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-4.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FI200ME9NJ8EF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:00:18 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: gas in engine block? To: DC cycles list Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <37DED225.BE7D065B@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en If I have a float stuck open so that the float bowl is getting too much gas could that cause the engine block to fill up with gas? Does anyone know of any other problems that could cause this to happen? Randy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 18:56:24 1999 Return-Path: culimerc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19197 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from el-pipo-grande (user-2iveh7l.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.68.245]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25341 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990914190426.006a9e7c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:04:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: Is it to Early? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So, is it to early to start talking abiut a possible ride on sat. yet? Last weekend was so perfect I had to be ripped from my bike kicking and screaming like a 10 year old from the last ride at the amusement park. Meet at Anita's in Chantilly around 11:30-12:00. Decide on a basic direction (only slightly more defined than west) and go. James PS. I actually do know someone who did buy a pump shot gun for the CLACK-CLACK! noise. He hasn't had to test his theroy out yet, thankfully See Ya' James From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:02:41 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19402 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13250; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37DED2AA.831B8E53@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:56:42 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <199909141639.AA100794838@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seeing as how I have a soft spot for certain vintage bikes, and thusly primed the occasion of me having cash in my jeans when I happen to run across a ratty machine screaming out for my TLC, I'll own a chain drive machine again. This will be good all-around, as Milady will be able to use the burned up chains to thash me for bringing *another* boy-toy home. Peek # of cages owned at one time - 8 (down to 3 now) Peek # of boats owned at one time - 8 (down to a pair now) Peek # of motorcycles owned at one time - 3 (down to 1 now) Peek # of computors owned at one time - 4 (remains constant) Cameras??? Dozens. From a Minox B spy type to a vintage 4X5 Speed Graphic. She wants me to get rid of my junk - JUNK!!! Bill Horkster wrote: > I've tried really hard to not like them, but I really can't say much > bad about belt drives. Tracy's old Savage had a belt, so does my > Father-in-Law's Kawi 440 LTD. Set the tension once and more or less > forget about them.Not bad. Not bad at all. > > IMO, belts are far better than chains, I have heard they don't like > gravel roads very well. But then again most street bikes don't > see a whole lot of gravel roads anyway. (Except Leon's). > > I'll never own another chain-drive bike, that's for sure. WAAAYYY > too much bother and expense if you put real miles on 'em. I > could be swayed to belt drives, though. > > Horkster (shafties and belts rule?) > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:11:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19512 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA14008; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:11:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37DED4C7.9CD633CF@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:05:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <852567EC.0074A4E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shafts have the greatest drivetrain power loss, no contest. Chains and belts are to close to call, but belts are far less maintenance and much quieter. As if *I* notice with them Harley pipes. The hi-pro problem with belts is pure strentgh. Yes, one can get special belts which can take super HP, but the basic belt used on Hawgs is limited. If you warm the Hawg up much over 100 HP and go for a full throttle dump off the line, all that H-D torque will peel the teeth right off a stock belt. The belt kinda gets in the way of wide-wide tires also. So, chains are the thang for crotch rockets with a zillion HP. Bill christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > It's strange... the people who normally buy shafties are long-distance > types (I'm exagerrating I know). I wouldn't think long distance types and > "bother and expense" were all that foreign to one another. I'm kidding of > course. > > To each their own, but I don't consider having a chain drive to be any > bother or expense. I seem to go through tires fast enough that chain > adjustment is a non-issue. :^) A quick squirt of chain lube every now and > then doesn't seem to much of a bother either. > > I assume there's some performance loss due to belts, or more > high-performance bikes would use them. Any validity to this? Maybe it just > seems that way due to the hamster-wheel engines that are generally attached > to the belt drives one usually sees. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:17:33 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19681 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id kKML0X3e9o (3962); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5ad1586.2510315f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:16:47 EDT Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: mrider@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Interesting, I just returned from Italy (where I am from and return every couple of months for business purposes) and got stuck in a 20 km. backup on the autostrada from La Spezia to Parma (la Cisa Pass). Bikes were lane splitting all around me and i and 99% of the other moved to give them way. That's because 80% of Italians own at least a 50cc motorbike. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:39:18 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20127 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (216-164-131-19.s19.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.19]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02994; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00dd01beff09$91f69f00$1383a4d8@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , "James Hoofnagle" References: <3.0.1.32.19990914190426.006a9e7c@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Is it to Early? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:33:35 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am interested. Last weekend I hooked up with three other sport bike riders. I was on my 98 GSXR 750, Kevin rode his 99 CBR 900, Raz was on his 99 ZX9R and Jim was on his 99 TLR1000. Needless to say, we had some spirited riding!!! Most of it was done in Stafford and Spotsylvania Counties on back roads. We rode aproximately 260 miles without incident. Let me know what you propose for this Saturday. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hoofnagle To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:04 PM Subject: Is it to Early? > So, is it to early to start talking abiut a possible ride on sat. yet? > Last weekend was so perfect I had to be ripped from my bike kicking and > screaming like a 10 year old from the last ride at the amusement park. > Meet at Anita's in Chantilly around 11:30-12:00. Decide on a basic > direction (only slightly more defined than west) and go. > James > PS. I actually do know someone who did buy a pump shot gun for the > CLACK-CLACK! noise. He hasn't had to test his theroy out yet, thankfully > See Ya' > James > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:44:25 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20224 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (216-164-223-113.s113.tnt2.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.223.113]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15772; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b701beff0b$39e3b4e0$71dfa4d8@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:45:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 A couple of years ago, I had a GS500 blown over by a gust of wind. My neighbor said the wind caught the cover and jus tossed it over. It was on the side stand and the wind blew it over the kick stand. Hard to believe but it happened. What I do now is buggee the cover tightly to the bike so it can't act like a parachute. Just my 2 cents, Brian N 96 Yamaha FZR600 PS my delete button is getting tired of these thread wars. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 20:08:54 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20712 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18239; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:08:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEE24C.CF5A054A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:03:24 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmoran@XXXXXX CC: DC cycles list Subject: Re: gas in engine block? References: <37DED225.BE7D065B@loudoun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep - stuck float or needle will let the gas flow. On basic cages, a ruptured fuel pump diaphragm would fill the pan with gas, but I don't know of any bikes with similer fuel pump set ups. Most are gravity flow - petcock open? Faulty vacuum petcock? Bill Randy and Julie Moran wrote: > If I have a float stuck open so that the float bowl is getting too much > gas could that cause the engine block to fill up with gas? Does anyone > know of any other problems that could cause this to happen? > > Randy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 20:57:13 1999 Return-Path: fj1100@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21541 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf15-112.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.112]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA26641; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Troutman" , Subject: RE: High Winds and Bike Storage Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990914162909.01403960@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal Is there a gas station of garage nearby that may let you store it just for the evening? If nothing else, get it as close to the building as possible. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 4:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: High Winds and Bike Storage > > > Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday > thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse, > covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for > stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months > ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. > > The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my > concern. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 16k and counting > > Das VFR ist König From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 22:10:08 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22609 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-131-47.s47.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.47]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25142 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:09:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914220728.00bca580@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:08:58 -0400 To: From: Mike T Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage In-Reply-To: <00b701beff0b$39e3b4e0$71dfa4d8@brn626> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:45 PM 9/14/1999 , Brian N wrote: >A couple of years ago, I had a GS500 blown over by a gust of wind. My >neighbor said the wind caught the cover and jus tossed it over. It was on >the side stand and the wind blew it over the kick stand. Hard to believe but >it happened. What I do now is buggee the cover tightly to the bike so it >can't act like a parachute. Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm going to try and get it into a garage tomorrow. If I can't , I will bungee the cover to the bike, and cinder block both sides to deter tipping. I don't have room for it in the basement (finished floor) or I would roll it in for the night. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 22:31:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA22999 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915023119.9501.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:31:19 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Aprillia Scooter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: hjkoh63@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Karl, Sounds like you're really liking your new toy...Brian M and I drooled over them at the NYC show last fall...Didn't even realize it was a 50 at first look even though the stickers plainly showed that!!! Damn good looking bike, just mroe price tag than I could live with :) Brian and I looked at it close..I truly think you could skip the 70cc job and just dumpa 250 motor in there... or better yet the 300 cc motor which is the same size... Also, you might try pulling the exhaust header and seeing if they put restricter orifices in there to slow it down... If you do that though, my guess is that you'd have to stiffen the springs in the front end to deal with the extra weight. Hope you enjoy the heck out of the little beastie!! and you'll definitely have the most kick ass scooter in town!! lol Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 22:39:26 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23078 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ewiley (207-172-184-104.s104.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.184.104]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06905 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990914224330.009cd370@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:43:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Re: Aprilia RS50 In-Reply-To: <852567EC.005D8280.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It retails for $3499.. i plan on paying it off by racing ysr50's for money :) --Karl At 01:00 PM 9/14/99 -0400, you wrote: >Karl, > >How much is the US retail price for an Aprilia RS50? BTW, I don't suppose >they qualify to race in YSR50 races, do they? :^) > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 >Nearly 20x the displacement of an RS50, but not even 3x as fast :^p >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 22:45:30 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23267 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915024513.20385.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:45:13 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Wd-40 on chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Todd R. WD-40 (or other similar products) are all I ever use on O-ring chains... it's cheap, does not make any mess at all on the rest of the bike, and my chains have lasted their full expected life...ie sprockets were worn well before the chains andI've gotten lots of life out of those too... CT === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 23:01:50 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23533 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-131-47.s47.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.47]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25362 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:01:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914225824.00c79150@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:00:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Wd-40 on chains In-Reply-To: <19990915024513.20385.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:45 PM 9/14/1999 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Todd R. >WD-40 (or other similar products) are all I ever use on O-ring >chains... it's cheap, does not make any mess at all on the rest of the >bike, and my chains have lasted their full expected life...ie sprockets >were worn well before the chains andI've gotten lots of life out of >those too... Thank God - some WD-40 support! Answer me this - after I cleaned the gunk off of my chain (it sparkled) and hit it with WD-40, let it set, then checked it in a week...the chain had bits of surface rust? I still use WD-40, but the rust is disturbing. The bike is stored outdoors, and that may be the consequence. Perhaps the rust was there (bought bike used) and only showed up once I got it cleaned up...... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 23:01:57 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA23543 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915030330.4098.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:03:30 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Aprillia RS50 part 2 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: hjkoh63@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Karl, Forgot to mention in my earlier post that a good frined of mine inthe Leesburgh/Whites Ferry area has an RS250...So he could probably give you lots of helpful information about the bike..and also give you contacts to europe via Dawn Cook (she races and RS250) His name is John Koh, and he's a heck of a nice fella (cc's above) Tell him I said howdy! CT === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 23:48:43 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24912 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA16859 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005f01beff2d$5dd369a0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990914220728.00bca580@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:49:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm chaining both of ours to the house tomorrow night (with Zeus' tie out chain... only a pit bull could break one but that's another story) unless I can get Jeannette to let me bring them inside (yeah right!). Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 00:11:25 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25256 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15910 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 04:14:13 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 04:14:13 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA28987; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:14:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:14:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150414.AAA28987@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:anti-theft strategies For the Hog I use two locks plus a Barb Wire(plus ignition and stearing locks,natch). I put a Kryptonite stapler-style on the rear disk,regular disk lock on the front,and string the Barb Wire to something solid. I also try to park somewhere out in the open,where screwing with it would be obvious. When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 00:21:34 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25478 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22434 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 04:24:25 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 04:24:25 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA29816; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:24:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:24:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150424.AAA29816@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: High Winds and Bike Storage On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:52:27 -0400 Gary Foreman wrote: >Is there a gas station of garage nearby that may let you store it just for >the evening? If nothing else, get it as close to the building as possible. I second getting it close to your building. I've had mucho probs in the past with living on military bases and having bikes blown down. Best thing you can do is have something solid as a windbreak. When I was in England,I parked next to a dumpster. On Ft Myer,I would either sneak it down to the dorm loading dock,or bite the bullet and pull the cover off.(just a sec to rant here,I've yet to see a military base that had a decent place to park bikes,yet they won't pay a dime for wind damage) Don't know your set-up,but ideally you'd want to park on the leeward side of the building right up against it. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 00:23:13 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25488 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23531 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 04:26:04 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 04:26:04 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA29935; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:26:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:26:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150426.AAA29935@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Wd-40 on chains On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:00:43 -0400 Mike T wrote: >At 10:45 PM 9/14/1999 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >>Todd R. >>WD-40 (or other similar products) are all I ever use on O-ring >>chains... it's cheap, does not make any mess at all on the rest of the >>bike, and my chains have lasted their full expected life...ie sprockets >>were worn well before the chains andI've gotten lots of life out of >>those too... > >Thank God - some WD-40 support! Answer me this - after I cleaned the gunk >off of my chain (it sparkled) and hit it with WD-40, let it set, then >checked it in a week...the chain had bits of surface rust? I still use >WD-40, but the rust is disturbing. The bike is stored outdoors, and that >may be the consequence. Perhaps the rust was there (bought bike used) and >only showed up once I got it cleaned up...... Wouldn't happen if you used Maxima Chain Wax. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 05:20:25 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01790 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rXBa022319 (4440); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40695830.2510beb2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:19:46 EDT Subject: Re: Aprillia Scooter To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/14/99 10:36:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << Also, you might try pulling the exhaust header and seeing if they put restricter orifices in there to slow it down... >> Restrictors on Italian 50s are almost always on the intake manifold. Check to see if the carburetor is a Dell'Orto 12/14 or a 16/19. If it is one of the larger ones your bike is probably an export model and not restricted. If it can go 40 MPH it is not restricted, the "legal" top speed for a 50cc (which can be ridden without a license) in Italy is 40 KPH. By the way, I owned a number of 50ccs as a teenager in Italy and had an Italjet Mustang 50cc that would hit 60-65 MPH; it shouldn't be difficult to get yours to go 75 or so particularly if it is liquid cooled. A company called "Pollini" in Italy makes all kinds of hop-up equipment for 50cc bikes, i.e. ported cylinders, pistons etc. that are easy to install and are advertised with the note that their parts are sold for racetrack use only so all the kids buy them for the street. Ciao, Fred Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 06:21:37 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA02685 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C70D@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Trailers.. Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:21:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Where did you ever get that idea??? I have never NEVER seen any mention of towing difference between automatics and manuals. Typically manuals are stronger transmissions for things like towing and they are much easier to control up and down large hills and mountains then autos. It would seem that if automatics were so great for towing loads that tractor trailers would have them. Glenn >There's a trailer joint in So MD. Want Ad usually has trailers. Sevral >considerations, having owned a buncha trailers and built more'n a half dozen >custom trialers for baot racers, is WHAT are you towing it with? Both my >vehicles are trucks with 3.5 rear axle ratios for towing, and automatic. Sticks >can't tow as much gross wieght, as per OEM specs. Standard axle ratios are also >limited as they're set up for econo-blasting and kind of come up gasping with a >load behind it. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 06:30:37 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA02837 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:30:22 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C70E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:30:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Actually belts are the most efficient at transferring power from the tranny to the rear wheel. I think I remember reading that belts are about 99% efficient, chains are 96 - 98%, and shafties are 91 - 93%. The major problem with belts seems to be they can't handle higher powered bikes without being incredibly thick and wide. And Chris, why do you have to adjust the chain when you change the tire??? Sounds like an antique to me. :-) Glenn 98 VFR 84 V30 Magna >It's strange... the people who normally buy shafties are long-distance >types (I'm exagerrating I know). I wouldn't think long distance types and >"bother and expense" were all that foreign to one another. I'm kidding of >course. >To each their own, but I don't consider having a chain drive to be any >bother or expense. I seem to go through tires fast enough that chain >adjustment is a non-issue. :^) A quick squirt of chain lube every now and >then doesn't seem to much of a bother either. >I assume there's some performance loss due to belts, or more >high-performance bikes would use them. Any validity to this? Maybe it just >seems that way due to the hamster-wheel engines that are generally attached >to the belt drives one usually sees. ;^) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:06:01 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03389 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA18108 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA28479; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:05:23 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B567C@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: WD-40 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:05:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Brian wrote... >Nope, just the propelant they use to get the WD-40 to spary out of the >can.... go buy a normal squeeze bottle and everything's peachy.. :) Last week I discovered that Home Despot sells WD-40 in half gallon cans (like the ones paint thinner comes in), and also has snazzy little pump spray bottles with the WD-40 logo on them. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:06:20 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03399 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-4.s4.tnt1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.4]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA03422 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002a01beff6a$7dbe6ac0$044daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Trailers.. Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:07:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I have been doing research for a new SUV and from what I have read the automatics have a higher gross weight for towing capacity. I also would have thought the manuals would be better. Brian N 96 Yamaha FZR600 >Where did you ever get that idea??? I have never NEVER seen any mention of >towing difference between automatics and manuals> > >Sticks >>can't tow as much gross wieght, as per OEM specs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:38:33 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04302 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA17868; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA28565; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:37:47 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B567F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" , "'jmoran@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: gas in engine block? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:37:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain I've read (on another list) that this can happen. Apparently the fuel can overflow the bowl, and runs down the cylinder walls. A good argument for maintaining those petcocks and turning them off when not in use. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA ---------------- Original Message ---------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:00:18 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: gas in engine block? To: DC cycles list Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Accept-Language: en If I have a float stuck open so that the float bowl is getting too much gas could that cause the engine block to fill up with gas? Does anyone know of any other problems that could cause this to happen? Randy From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:40:40 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04340 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA24311; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37DF8419.B55B4D0E@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:33:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Trailers.. References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C70D@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm talking passenger vehicles, not trac-trailer rigs. If you've never seen any mention of a differance, than you haven't thoroughly investigated tow capaciities on cars and light trucks. If you ordered a vehicle with a "tow package" an auto tranny was item #1 on the list. The OEM reasoning was simple - auto trannys *know* when to shift, have wet clutches and cooling systems. Manuals don't. It's easy to upgrade auto tranny cooling for heavy tows, but a bitch to add a cooler to a manual. Manuals don't have a pump. I believe a lack of OEM confidance in the shifting ability of the average driver also had a play in the issue. While employed as a general sales manager for a sports outfit that sold boats and campers, I became intimately familier with tow capacities. Your basic mid/full size passanger sedan - mostly always autos - 2000#. Econo-boxes, mostly sticks, a bag of feathers on wheels. Some econo-boxes were so structurally weak in the ass one couldn't put a hitch on them. Anoither no-no, Turbos. Turbos don't tow. You say what!!! But trac-trailers have turbos! Yep, turbos designed for HD use. Car turbos aren't - they overheat under a load and go up in smoke. Your basic `Murican truck, van/PU, usually has a higher tow rating. My van and PU have a 3.5 axle as opposed to the 2.9 standard issue ratio. The van has a tow package - extra cooling, and a BFE (Big F-----g Engine). 11,000# tow rated. The PU is 8000#. Both are automatics, as required by OEM. Wanna tow tons with a light truck and shift gears? Dodge with a Cummins desiel (genuine truck engine) and a Gertag manual tranny (genuine truck tranny). Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Where did you ever get that idea??? I have never NEVER seen any mention of > towing difference between automatics and manuals. Typically manuals are > stronger transmissions for things like towing and they are much easier to > control up and down large hills and mountains then autos. It would seem > that if automatics were so great for towing loads that tractor trailers > would have them. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:47:54 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04483 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA24613; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37DF8579.D55D6BDD@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:39:37 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C70E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > The major problem with belts seems to be they can't handle higher powered > bikes > without being incredibly thick and wide. > Harleys don't have that porblem - high power. Lotta torque, good for plowing and pulling stumps, but a dead stock EVO mill has a shade over 50 HP. Perfect for us old farts who just like to casually chug down the highway. Bill older than dirt From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:48:08 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04493 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA24821; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:48:03 -0400 Message-ID: <37DF862C.B37ABB4E@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:42:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies References: <199909150414.AAA28987@web2.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. Hehehehe. I used that same tactics with my Z-28 Camaro, which without a doubt was the biggest heap-o-crap vehicle I have ever owned. I even left it unlocked - no takers. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:00:22 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04761 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11981 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:07:16 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8835@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Much a do about commas (was RE: How about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) ) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:07:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Here's a little ditty I found along the way: "Amendment II (1791) A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" Well, what do the commas mean? Who has rights, militias or the people? Anyway, we have already blown the "shall not be infringed" part, so what's next? But wait, this is interesting: "Amendment IV (1791) The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." So hand over the piece scumbag, since criminals exist and use firearms to do crimes, you are obviously a crook; and don't give me that no criminal history or probable cause verbiage. See ya, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:05:29 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04856 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:05:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:05:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Now you're stepping into my territory.. noone on the list saw the vehicle I had when I was in this area first.. it was an 86 Jeep Wagoneer.. it was such a turd-bucket, that I left the windows down, doors unlocked, keys in the ignition, and title (signed!) sitting on the seat... it still had to be towed off (it did run, just not well). heh - me, owner of 'questionable' vehicles.. I've only blown up 5 engines in 10 years.. ;) Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > > > > When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with > enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. > > Hehehehe. I used that same tactics with my Z-28 Camaro, which > without a doubt was the biggest heap-o-crap vehicle I have > ever owned. I even left it unlocked - no takers. > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:13:05 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04951 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA27307 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA04921; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:12:31 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5680@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: FW: Help needed in Baltimore Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:12:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone? Isn't there a Baltimore list? Please reply to DAD1150@XXXXXX Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA >From: "John G. Gray" >Reply-To: DAD1150@XXXXXX >To: BRIT-IRON-L@XXXXXX >Subject: Help needed in Baltimore >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:12:50 EDT > >Is there anybody in the Baltimore, MD, that would be willing to help a novice >rider get started ??? If so PLEASE contact me off list. > >Thank you in advance....Gordon Gray > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:34:04 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05282 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI30078LPJTNH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA24078; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915123329.SJAW612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:30:50 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: TekWar Was: How about a WD-40 thread In-reply-to: <852567EC.0074A4E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000801beff76$24e258b0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Don't worry about it Chris. Dale is a born-again appreciatech - one that has seen the light on many fronts of modern day motorcycling. I too don't get the bother thing. Once you get the check, adjust if necessary routine down it takes at most five minutes to adjust your chain and at the same time gives you an opportunity to look around down there. But he does have a point about the expense, especially for LD types. It cost me around $170 to replace my chain and sprocket set, for the second time, about two months ago. Todd (Love those VTRs, chain and all) > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 5:14 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread > > > It's strange... the people who normally buy shafties are long-distance > types (I'm exagerrating I know). I wouldn't think long distance types and > "bother and expense" were all that foreign to one another. I'm kidding of > course. > > To each their own, but I don't consider having a chain drive to be any > bother or expense. I seem to go through tires fast enough that chain > adjustment is a non-issue. :^) A quick squirt of chain lube every now and > then doesn't seem to much of a bother either. > > I assume there's some performance loss due to belts, or more > high-performance bikes would use them. Any validity to this? Maybe it just > seems that way due to the hamster-wheel engines that are > generally attached > to the belt drives one usually sees. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > Horkster wrote: > I'll never own another chain-drive bike, that's for sure. WAAAYYY > too much bother and expense if you put real miles on 'em. I > could be swayed to belt drives, though. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:34:06 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05284 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI30077SPJUMD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA15669; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915123330.SJAY612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:30:51 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: gas in engine block? In-reply-to: <37DED225.BE7D065B@loudoun.com> To: jmoran@XXXXXX, DC cycles list Message-id: <000901beff76$2582b760$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal That would be about it, unless you have a direct gasline feed to your cylinders. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy and Julie Moran [mailto:jmoran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:00 PM > To: DC cycles list > Subject: gas in engine block? > > > If I have a float stuck open so that the float bowl is getting too much > gas could that cause the engine block to fill up with gas? Does anyone > know of any other problems that could cause this to happen? > > Randy > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:40:24 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05373 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA29242 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA22254; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:39:50 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5681@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Hiding from Floyd Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:39:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone is near Herndon, and is really desperate for a place to put their bike while Floyd blows over, you could stick it in the AT&T parking ramp (next to the Hyatt on Horsepen Rd.). It's better than having it blow over, or (worse yet) having a tree land on it. No one will mess with it or you. Good luck, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:43:25 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05449 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id IAA0000010681; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:44:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Much a do about commas (was RE: How about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) ) Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Did you write that message while riding on your motorcycle? Michael Jay wrote: > Here's a little ditty I found along the way: "Amendment II (1791) A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" Well, what do the commas mean? Who has rights, militias or the people? Anyway, we have already blown the "shall not be infringed" part, so what's next? But wait, this is interesting: "Amendment IV (1791) The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." So hand over the piece scumbag, since criminals exist and use firearms to do crimes, you are obviously a crook; and don't give me that no criminal history or probable cause verbiage. See ya, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:50:04 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05624 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA29826; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:49:51 -0400 Message-ID: <37DF94A2.D0F70891@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:44:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had me a `76 Grand Wagoneer, which was an interesting vehicle. Reliability ranked a close second to the Triumph Spitfire I had in my stable. Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Now you're stepping into my territory.. noone on the list saw the vehicle I > had when I was in this area first.. it was an 86 Jeep Wagoneer.. it was such > a turd-bucket, that I left the windows down, doors unlocked, keys in the > ignition, and title (signed!) sitting on the seat... it still had to be > towed off (it did run, just not well). > > heh - me, owner of 'questionable' vehicles.. I've only blown up 5 engines in > 10 years.. ;) > > Brian McCoy > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with > > enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. > > > > Hehehehe. I used that same tactics with my Z-28 Camaro, which > > without a doubt was the biggest heap-o-crap vehicle I have > > ever owned. I even left it unlocked - no takers. > > > > Bill > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:29:46 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06232 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567ED.004A6230 ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:32:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: "'DCC'" Message-ID: <852567ED.004A61F3.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:26:27 -0400 Subject: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok, so the traffic on Route 7 is at a stand still. Complete stock still. No one is moving. This is in the direction of Falls Church to Tysons, NOT the other way. So, I figure, melting in my leathers, that there must be an accident. We creep.....and creep. We creep slower than I would think possible. So, I decide to lane-split. I know, I know, please no speeches. I really wanted to see if there was an accident. I'm thinking, there has GOT to be a reason for this. So, I split to the light. Nothing. I sit. I split again to the next light. Nothing. Then, traffic starts moving in a normal rush hourly manner. What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! ARGGGHHHHHH! Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed...and hot.... ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:40:43 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06408 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA20530 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:40:37 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:40:37 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DCC'" Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:40:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little >rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! >ARGGGHHHHHH! As a friend once observed during a light snow in Wiesbaden, Germany: "If it snowed every other day, they'd forget how to drive in snow on the day it didn't." Same rule applies here Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:42:14 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06484 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud78a (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01079; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008001beff7f$ddc61bb0$ac5d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , References: <3.0.1.32.19990914190426.006a9e7c@pop.mindspring.com> <00dd01beff09$91f69f00$1383a4d8@rdt> Subject: Re: Is it to Early? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:40:25 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I might show up on my new F4. The Anita's on 50 right? Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. To: ; James Hoofnagle Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Is it to Early? > I am interested. Last weekend I hooked up with three other sport bike > riders. I was on my 98 GSXR 750, Kevin rode his 99 CBR 900, Raz was on his > 99 ZX9R and Jim was on his 99 TLR1000. Needless to say, we had some > spirited riding!!! Most of it was done in Stafford and Spotsylvania > Counties on back roads. We rode aproximately 260 miles without incident. > Let me know what you propose for this Saturday. > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Hoofnagle > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:04 PM > Subject: Is it to Early? > > > > So, is it to early to start talking abiut a possible ride on sat. yet? > > Last weekend was so perfect I had to be ripped from my bike kicking and > > screaming like a 10 year old from the last ride at the amusement park. > > Meet at Anita's in Chantilly around 11:30-12:00. Decide on a basic > > direction (only slightly more defined than west) and go. > > James > > PS. I actually do know someone who did buy a pump shot gun for the > > CLACK-CLACK! noise. He hasn't had to test his theroy out yet, thankfully > > See Ya' > > James > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:43:13 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06502 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11RFGo-00075q-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:46 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28592 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 15 Sep 1999 09:41:42 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re:Wind blowing over bikes Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:49:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My old Hurricane 1K was blown over a couple of times in relatively mild storms (both on center and side stand with cover on). I put some new plastic on it one year just before hurricane season (makes sense eh). One was supposed to blow through so I bolted a 2x4 to the center stand and ran a rope through the front wheel to hold the center stand down. Talk about stable...it would hold my entire effort attempting to push the bike over from any angle. During the hurricane the bike didn't fall over, but was moved about 3 ft. from its original position. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:45:51 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06584 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud78a (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02801; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008801beff80$5fca9000$ac5d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: Subject: XX off Gallows Road/50... Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:44:03 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 During the past couple days I've seen a guy on a black CBRXX coming out of the office buildings on the inside of the beltway, right by Rt. 50 and Gallows Road. Is this anyone on the list? Wearing some kinda jacket, and a red/white/black helmet (maybe an RF800)??? Just wondering...either way, nice ride. Kirt 99F4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:51:43 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06663 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA18540 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:51:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150951.AA17236626@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ned Suesse We have started on a subject I am curious for people's opinion on- bike security. ------------------------------------------- My opinion on bike security it to own bikes that people don't want to steal. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:56:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06701 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:55:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150955.AA34079284@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Joe Schmoe , CC: Subject: Re: How about a gun thread X-Mailer: It looks like this is winding up to be another big blow-out. Please take your conversation off-list now. thank you, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:05:33 -0400 Yep, I was responding to your wickedly intellectual argument, which was "shoot everyone who does not agree with me". You are right, that one went way over my head. Hard to keep up with someone as bright as you. However, you are in good company with the "shoot those that disagree with me" argument. I think a short Austrian corporal by the name of Adolph perfected that technique in the 1940s (yes, after he confiscated many private firearms). If you would like to compare where I was educated and where I learned to use such strong arguments, go ahead Joe Schmoe. I would love to see your credentials. Mark PS: The country was founded on a complex issue involving taxation and tariffs (like most great revolutions, its was based on economics) NOT the right to bear arms. The right to bear arms was integral to our ability to effect a change of government since the majority of the fighting was done by citizen soldiers. If the country was 'founded' upon everything our forefathers put in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, it was also founded on the notion that ownership of fellow man was acceptable. To: Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington DC/C&L/US@Americas-US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Joe Schmoe Date: 09/14/99 04:06:18 PM GMT Subject: Re: How about a gun thread The same place you learned to use strong arguments of proven fact to debate a point.. er, wait.. you're just nit-picking, I'm sorry.. Hope I'm not talking over your head, though I suspect I am. On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:57:51 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06791 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13203 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:46 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8836@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho w about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John points out: >Did you write that message while riding on your motorcycle? < my non-moto inflammatory message > Alas, though I would love to be riding, I have gone soft. Today I took, not just any cage, but the wagon--for shame. Yet, I just loved the riding I did last Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday (yesterday). Sunny delight!! Oh well, when I get one of those fancy-smancy rain get-ups, I will consider lousy weather riding again, but after 8 years straight of year round riding in any weather, I have had enough. By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around here anyway? I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but is there something better suited for street riding. Something usable for both summer and winter would be ideal. Grounded due to weather, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:04:37 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06944 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA23965 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05101; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies In-Reply-To: <199909150951.AA17236626@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > My opinion on bike security it to own bikes that people don't want to steal. > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar Hear, hear! Erik '80 CX500D "Das Beast" - with a bad stator, no less. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:08:42 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07039 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA26525 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud78a (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13832; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011e01beff83$8517f110$ac5d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <199909150951.AA17236626@piglet.toward.com> Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:06:35 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 hahaha... if you love the bike, that's all that matters. I unfortunately I had to have the latest and greatest and now I worry about it every night. Kirt 99 CBR 600F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 9:51 AM Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Ned Suesse > We have started on a subject I am curious for people's > opinion on- bike security. > ------------------------------------------- > > My opinion on bike security it to own bikes that people don't want to steal. > > > > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > -- > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:14:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07136 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16178 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03824 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-118-118.s118.tnt13.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.118.118]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA18302 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002d01beff63$66ba8ea0$8190fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: I just called Summit Point - I have paving info Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:16:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Got some of ya'lls attention didn't I? They are paving away - in the rain! They are on schedule and still expect to be done by Friday "so long as we don't get blown away". They are doing the track in 1/2 sections by width, like on the street. They are currently half way done as in they have completed one full lap of the track (minus 3-4) on one side of the track. They are beginning the other half now. I asked (three times) "will the track be ready for the weekend races? and the answer all three times was "it should be". So worse case we have a half width Summit ready to race. As a side note, I told her I was thinking of coming out to take some photos, as photos of Summit getting repaved would be more rare than an original copy of the bible, she laughed, but said the entire track area was closed, so unless someone has a helicopter . . . Jonathan Broga From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:20:56 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07308 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000014664; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:21:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 They're worse here! I think the bad driving and the pre-storm panic are just a bad case of Disaster Envy. We just don't get good natural disasters here. We don't get snow like they do up north. We don't get hurricanes like they do right on the coast. We don't get twisters like they do in Oklahoma. We don't get earthquakes like they do out west. So, when we get the prospect of some hurricane leftovers, or an inch of snow, people overreact. it's their own chance to participate in that great civic group activity, a game of Chicken Little! Of course I did put by bike in the shed, bring in the deck furniture, and buy ALL the toilet paper and bread at my local Giant. "Jordan, Michael" wrote: > >What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little >rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! >ARGGGHHHHHH! As a friend once observed during a light snow in Wiesbaden, Germany: "If it snowed every other day, they'd forget how to drive in snow on the day it didn't." Same rule applies here Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:23:01 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07346 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17099 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: boo hoo too much rain In-Reply-To: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8836@tralfaz.treev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Michael Jay wrote: > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around > here anyway? I use: an aerostich roadcrafter suit with a pvc crotch cover and normal gloves with dishwashing gloves over. For long bits in the rain I use a pvc rain suit by OSI. I have yet to find anything that will keep rain from coming in through the neck opening though... I've seen a thing called a helmet pelmet which is one of those reflective helmet bands with water proof (resistant) material that comes down and covers your neck. I haven't tried one out yet though. > I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but > is there something better suited for street riding. Snow mobile suits aren't generally waterproof unless you go to the trouble of making them so. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:24:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07356 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16252 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04182 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id JAA07364; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990915095527.00a4a740@132.147.168.1> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:58:58 -0400 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Cc: dc-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <852567ED.004A61F3.00@172.16.2.37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have to say, in all the places I've been, VA drivers have to be the biggest bunch of scardicats and rubberneckers. Never before have I seen traffic come to a dead stop on the middle of 95 because there's a family of bunnies on the side of the road... Don't laugh, it's true. Not to mention, no one looks behind them here!!! I've almost been sideswiped more times than I can count by people who think that because their directional is on, there just couldn't be anyone behind them! What's the deal around here!!! Ok, enough venting. At 09:26 AM 9/15/99 -0400, you wrote: >Ok, so the traffic on Route 7 is at a stand still. Complete stock still. No >one is moving. This is in the direction of Falls Church to Tysons, NOT the >other way. So, I figure, melting in my leathers, that there must be an >accident. >We creep.....and creep. We creep slower than I would think possible. So, I >decide to lane-split. I know, I know, please no speeches. I really wanted to >see if there was an accident. I'm thinking, there has GOT to be a reason for >this. So, I split to the light. Nothing. I sit. I split again to the next >light. Nothing. >Then, traffic starts moving in a normal rush hourly manner. > >What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little >rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! >ARGGGHHHHHH! > >Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed...and hot.... ; ) > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > ************************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:25:58 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07380 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000014499; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:26:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho w about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 I rarely ride to work, and especially not when it rains. My commute is a nice morning ride but a crappy evening ride ("wow, here I am stopped on 66 on my bike!"). I don't like to deal with rush hour drivers in the rain. I don't like to get all wet getting to and from work. I drive my truck home and then hop on the bike for a fun ride that doesn't involve battling it out with overcaffeinated SUV owners who don't understand the concept of traction. Sign me "ain't got nothin' to prove." Michael Jay wrote: Alas, though I would love to be riding, I have gone soft. Today I took, not just any cage, but the wagon--for shame. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:27:34 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07454 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915143236.26754.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:32:36 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho w about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) To: Michael Jay , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Michael Jay wrote: > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for > around > here anyway? Aerostich. Darien if you're really into the waterproof part. Roadcrafter for commuting all the time in any weather. I really like my one piece Roadcrafter with insulation. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:29:20 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07492 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:29:17 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000014889; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:30:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: anti-theft strategies Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Just another benefit of a CX!!!! Erik Schelzig wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > My opinion on bike security it to own bikes that people don't want to steal. > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar Hear, hear! Erik '80 CX500D "Das Beast" - with a bad stator, no less. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:34:32 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07612 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FI30033RUXTAO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:29:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA22394; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915142951.UBYE612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:29:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:27:11 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon In-reply-to: To: "Jordan, Michael" , "'DCC'" Message-id: <000e01beff86$65e52850$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal There may be some truth in this, but it's too simplistic. I'd guess most everyone (80%+) are just sitting in their cage mumbling something about the way people drive around here. They're all part of the same problem. It just takes a small percentage of weenies to screw up the semi-well orchestrated rush-hour rush most people are used to. Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years of American Motorcycling. Can't imagine blazing 90+mph in a pine-board velodrome, splinters flying up and present danger of sliding across the wood....ouch! Todd > -----Original Message----- > > >What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a > little > >rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! > >ARGGGHHHHHH! > > As a friend once observed during a light snow in Wiesbaden, Germany: > > "If it snowed every other day, they'd forget how to drive in snow > on the day > it didn't." > > Same rule applies here > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:56:07 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08054 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:55:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199909151055.AA2376925240@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Todd Peer Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Todd Peer Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:27:11 -0400 Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years of American Motorcycling. ------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, I found it by accident and ended up watching the whole show. Not bad. I'm looking forward to the next segment, whenever that one is. Maybe they will actually mention moto makers from Europe and Japan instead of just talking about Harley and Indian in the next show. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:59:07 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08129 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:58:49 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C748@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'johnwhiteside@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:59:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) You forgot the milk... remember when we have big storms around her you can't get any milk (for days) and the gas pumps start to line up too. Speaking of such, don't know how close you guys were following the storm but Lowes storm desk (http://www.gopbi.com/weather/storm/atlantic/floyd.html) was saying that people in the Bahamas were all lining up at the pumps before the storm... where did they think they were going to drive too? Glenn >Of course I did put by bike in the shed, bring in the deck furniture, and buy ALL >the toilet paper and bread at my local Giant. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:02:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09349 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16763 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08052 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:02:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199909151202.AA41091456@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Grant Heffernan I have to say, in all the places I've been, VA drivers have to be the biggest bunch of scardicats and rubberneckers. Never before have I seen traffic come to a dead stop on the middle of 95 because there's a family of bunnies on the side of the road... Don't laugh, it's true. Not to mention, no one looks behind them here!!! I've almost been sideswiped more times than I can count by people who think that because their directional is on, there just couldn't be anyone behind them! ----------------------------- True, indeed. I work hard to never stay beside someone. Either I hang back where they can't hit me if they make a sudden lane change, or I stay at least even with the driver (for visibility) if I can't stay ahead. It takes some moving around on the road, but it keeps me out of harm's way. Road-raging SUV drivers should be treated as traffic probes - let them zoom ahead to test the road traction, depth of water in flooded areas, etc. Then choose your best path based on what they do. It's like riding in the middle of a Mad Max movie, -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:16:28 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09588 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:15:33 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:54:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:53:49 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Down here, they can't drive East on a sunny morning. Unfortunately, this light sensitivity does translate into reponding when a traffic signal goes from red to green. In the rain, I think they just plain let go of the wheel . . . Joe richmond >>> - 9/15/99 9:26 AM >>> Ok, so the traffic on Route 7 is at a stand still. Complete stock still. No one is moving. This is in the direction of Falls Church to Tysons, NOT the other way. So, I figure, melting in my leathers, that there must be an accident. We creep.....and creep. We creep slower than I would think possible. So, I decide to lane-split. I know, I know, please no speeches. I really wanted to see if there was an accident. I'm thinking, there has GOT to be a reason for this. So, I split to the light. Nothing. I sit. I split again to the next light. Nothing. Then, traffic starts moving in a normal rush hourly manner. What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! ARGGGHHHHHH! Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed...and hot.... ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:32:01 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09870 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI4005NM0BHBQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:26:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA07907; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:24:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915162601.WEKX612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:26:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:23:21 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho wabout a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) In-reply-to: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8836@tralfaz.treev.com> To: Michael Jay , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001401beff96$a02f6330$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [mailto:mjay@XXXXXX] > > Oh well, when I get one of those fancy-smancy rain get-ups, > I will consider lousy weather riding again, but after > 8 years straight of year round riding in any weather, > I have had enough. And you call yourself a motorcyclist? ;-) > > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around > here anyway? I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but > is there something better suited for street riding. > Something usable for both summer and winter would be ideal. The AeroStitch and copycats are generally suitable for most wx. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:37:20 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09949 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FI400M1Y0SVVZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:36:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA21372 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915163629.WITP612@toddnt> for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:36:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:47 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon In-reply-to: <199909151055.AA2376925240@tidalwave.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001601beff98$158e1ee0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 10:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Todd Peer > Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Todd Peer > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:27:11 -0400 > > Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years > of American Motorcycling. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Yeah, I found it by accident and ended up watching the whole > show. Not bad. I'm looking forward to the next segment, whenever > that one is. > > Maybe they will actually mention moto makers from Europe and > Japan instead of just talking about Harley and Indian in the > next show. > > Dale They will. It's a program about American Motorcycling and the history, so naturally you're going to get alot of the original American made nostalgia up front. I think the next segment will include world motorcycle production on American tastes, attitudes etc, as well racing. I think it's next Tuesday. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:40:15 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09970 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI4007610SR6K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:36:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA26282; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:32:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915163623.WIRV612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:36:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:43 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Riding to work at all costs Was: boo hoo too much rain In-reply-to: To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501beff98$13157dc0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX [mailto:johnwhiteside@XXXXXX] > > I rarely ride to work, and especially not when it rains. My > commute is a nice morning ride but a crappy evening ride ("wow, > here I am stopped on 66 on my bike!"). I don't like to deal with > rush hour drivers in the rain. I don't like to get all wet > getting to and from work. I drive my truck home and then hop on > the bike for a fun ride that doesn't involve battling it out with > overcaffeinated SUV owners who don't understand the concept of traction. > > Sign me "ain't got nothin' to prove." I'm certain other people on this list share your sentiments about getting to work. I know Glenn Dysart is like you. It's not about proving anything. Sounds like your work hours are either later/earlier than core, causing more traffic in the HOV lanes. Or maybe I66 just sucks. For me, straight shot down FFax Cty Pkwy onto I95 HOV for 15 miles. Typical commute time is 18 minutes, door to door. And as far as doing battle with cagers, it's good for you. "That which doesn't kill you..." and all that. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:44:20 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com ([192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10076 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:44:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567ED.005BE8BF ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:43:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567ED.005B569C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:43:50 -0400 Subject: The golden years of American Motorcycling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years of American Motorcycling. << Yes that was a good show. I loved the old guy who was telling his stories of past races. Great stories. Especially the one about the splinter from the board track that went through his foot and essentially fastened his foot to the bike. He couldn't take his foot off the peg after the race was over because of it. OUCH! Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:55:41 1999 Return-Path: stevied@XXXXXX Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10254 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (pppm7.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.188]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26891; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DFCED8.DF2D3997@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:52:40 -0400 From: Steve DiPietro Reply-To: stevied@XXXXXX Organization: n/a X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-DIAL (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" CC: "'DCC'" , dad1150@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Help needed in Baltimore References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5680@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, It's at: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Representative Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" wrote: > Anyone? Isn't there a Baltimore list? > > Please reply to DAD1150@XXXXXX > > Thanks, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling, VA > > >From: "John G. Gray" > >Reply-To: DAD1150@XXXXXX > >To: BRIT-IRON-L@XXXXXX > >Subject: Help needed in Baltimore > >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:12:50 EDT > > > >Is there anybody in the Baltimore, MD, that would be willing to help a > novice > >rider get started ??? If so PLEASE contact me off list. > > > >Thank you in advance....Gordon Gray > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 13:24:43 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10804 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:24:40 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA08492; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:24:33 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012142; Wed, 15 Sep 99 12:54:33 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI40095K1RHX7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567ED.005CBCC7 ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:52:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:14:19 -0400 Subject: New? R1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567ED.0053C075.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yamaha just released photos and info on it's "new" R1. It looks pretty much the same, with a lot of minor tweaks here and there. The rear bodywork looks a little strange to me - It looks like some really fat person sat on a '99 R1 and bent the subframe. The front end looks a little sleeker, though. http://www.yamahausa.com/mcnew/sport.html Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 13:25:42 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10818 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:25:01 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:24:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:37:05 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years of American Motorcycling. Can't imagine blazing 90+mph in a pine-board velodrome, splinters flying up and present danger of sliding across the wood....ouch! Not to mention the bikes flying into the crowd! From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 13:38:24 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11086 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:38:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199909151338.AA14680734@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho X-Mailer: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [mailto:mjay@XXXXXX] > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around > here anyway? I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but > is there something better suited for street riding. > Something usable for both summer and winter would be ideal. I've worn my Aerostich 2-piece for year-round commuting for 4 years now, and am very pleased. For my commute (only 10 mi. each way now) the Aerostich, glove covers and boot covers keep me dry and keep the leather from getting soaked. On longer trips I carry a large rainsuit to put over the Aerostich, because if I have to ride all day in the rain, it's likely to spring a leak or two. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 13:55:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11418 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17573 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12678 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-118-118.s118.tnt13.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.118.118]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA09115 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001beff82$73854de0$8190fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Jupiter Sidecar Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:58:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 What the heck is a Jupiter Sidecar? Its sounds neat - are there any pictures anywhere online? Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 >Chris Norloff >Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar >-- > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:23:48 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13027 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915192945.3788.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.181] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:29:45 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Flip side of the coin.. many years ago when the pinto was out, yet barely staying around, someone stole my mother's pinto! Of course I believe I read in the haynes manual of my fairmont that it used the same engine.. maybe someone wanted to restore a fairmont hehe. --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Now you're stepping into my territory.. noone on the list saw the > vehicle I > had when I was in this area first.. it was an 86 Jeep Wagoneer.. it > was such > a turd-bucket, that I left the windows down, doors unlocked, keys > in the > ignition, and title (signed!) sitting on the seat... it still had > to be > towed off (it did run, just not well). > > heh - me, owner of 'questionable' vehicles.. I've only blown up 5 > engines in > 10 years.. ;) > > Brian McCoy > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with > > enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. > > > > Hehehehe. I used that same tactics with my Z-28 Camaro, which > > without a doubt was the biggest heap-o-crap vehicle I have > > ever owned. I even left it unlocked - no takers. > > > > Bill > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:29:03 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13133 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 22:25:40 UT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:29 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Headlamp requirements. Message-ID: <19990915153016863-ae26632@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I know that this has been discussed to a point in the past but I just wanted to run this by the list... I'm planning on possibly constructing a dual headlamp configuration for my VFR (I absolutely hate the stock over-sized, over-weight assembly). There are two ways that I can go about doing this... a) I can try and locate a set of FZR 600 or early 900RR lamps (or whatever someone recommends... no Brian McCoy... I don't want/can't afford RC30 parts) and redo the fiberglass upper to accept the lamps, or b) I can buy some of those new projector-type or halogen type driving lights and mount those to the fairing. Anybody, a)know what the laws are and what I can possibly get away with or what I need to be worried about... I'm not against riding with really bright lights. In fact... I do most of my riding during the day with very limited travel at night. I was also thinking of wiring a non-stock type system to have one on as a low beam and another set as a high beam. b) Does anyone have any lights that I can experiment with? Any racers with take off parts that they would like possibly donate, sell, or let me borrow? Thanks! Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:41:41 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13356 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29762 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:41:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990915154000.01404d70@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:41:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies In-Reply-To: <19990915192945.3788.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 03:29 PM 9/15/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >Flip side of the coin.. many years ago when the pinto was out, >yet barely staying around, someone stole my mother's pinto! > >Of course I believe I read in the haynes manual of my fairmont >that it used the same engine.. maybe someone wanted to restore >a fairmont hehe. Hopefully someone rear-ended them during their joy ride. BOOM One less loser for the gene pool. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:46:22 1999 Return-Path: free@XXXXXX Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13585 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (free@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA11235 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a gun thread In-Reply-To: <199909150955.AA34079284@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > It looks like this is winding up to be another big blow-out. > > Please take your conversation off-list now. > Don't worry, I wasn't about to try and convince someone who's so obviously rooted in fantasy that they don't recognize fact from fiction. It'd be a waste of my time, other than to laugh at the wonderfully ignorant responces (as I have been doing already). Hrm, gun control.. isn't that just another way of disarming the nation so our corrupt politicians can do the same thing to us that Hitler and Castro did to the unwilling victims of their respective countries? From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:49:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13595 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA26817; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:49:08 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029873; Wed, 15 Sep 99 15:21:35 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI40013E8KW9J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567ED.006A37AD ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:20:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:19:38 -0400 Subject: Moto - AOL Instant Messenger To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567ED.006A34AB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I just managed to get hooked up to AOL Instant Messenger. If anyone else on the list is on AOLIM, drop me a line at ChrisVTR1000. Chris Weaver '98 (you guessed it) VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:12:32 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14065 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA29337 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:11:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:11:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Danville was Re: practice days In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Janet Gunn wrote: > I started racing the year AFTER they closed Danville (having worked > corners there, and been pit crew there for Ian for many years). > One of my regrets is never racing at Danville. > It would be GREAT if we could race there again- but I though it was > being turned into a "private" country club. It's a sorta racing/country club deal... if you want to be a private member (which from reading sounds like it might be cool if you have the cash). I believe George Mood mentioned at the last Summit race that WERA had already signed up for a club membership, which means that if the site becomes a reality (They are paving currently, but you know how these things sometimes don't work out) we'll be racing there - members of a racing org that is a member do not have to be members of VIR. I'm keeping my fingers crossed :) more info can be found at... http://www.virclub.com - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:22:06 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14233 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA29359 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:21:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Moto - AOL Instant Messenger In-Reply-To: <852567ED.006A34AB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well... there's something I never thought to post. If anyone ever wants to chat, you can get ahold of me on AIM as well, screenname: BryanRoach I'm pretty much on all day, everyday. ---- Brian Roach | Bug? What bug? Software Engineer | Oh that? That's a feature. Host Development | I'll be changing the implementation America Online, Inc | next week... On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I just managed to get hooked up to AOL Instant Messenger. If anyone else on > the list is on AOLIM, drop me a line at ChrisVTR1000. > > Chris Weaver > '98 (you guessed it) VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:26:02 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14247 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 23:22:38 UT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:24 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies Message-ID: <1999091516271761-b169658@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of nitrous. Sorry that I had to bring this up... a buddy and I were talking about it earlier. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies Author: mike@XXXXXX Date: 09/15/1999 3:41 PM At 03:29 PM 9/15/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >Flip side of the coin.. many years ago when the pinto was out, >yet barely staying around, someone stole my mother's pinto! > >Of course I believe I read in the haynes manual of my fairmont >that it used the same engine.. maybe someone wanted to restore >a fairmont hehe. Hopefully someone rear-ended them during their joy ride. BOOM One less loser for the gene pool. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:31:21 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14395 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-54.patriot.net [209.249.180.54]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29619; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:31:15 -0400 Message-ID: <37E000C9.660EF277@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:25:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Jay CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho w about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) References: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8836@tralfaz.treev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snowmobile suits and gauntlet style snowmobile mittins are great for winter riding. I still have mine, although the days & nights of year-round riding are over fer me. I have to give my cages some exercise. Many moons ago a law officer pulled me over - at night - with the snow flying in the air and sorta beggining to stick to the road. He examined my permit and registration, did a few roadside boozer checks, then handed me back my papers and said I could go. Why did you stop me? I ask. He sez "I wanted to see if you were drunk or crazy. You're not drunk." I decided that might be a clue to take to the cage. Bill Michael Jay wrote: > > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around > here anyway? I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but > is there something better suited for street riding. > Something usable for both summer and winter would be ideal. > > Grounded due to weather, > Mike Jay > 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:35:54 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14483 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29938 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:35:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990915163258.01422db0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:35:10 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Troutman Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies In-Reply-To: <1999091516271761-b169658@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:24 PM 9/15/99 , Tom Zell wrote: >Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl >Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good >example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of >nitrous. Is that $50 for the Pinto, and $6950 in a 454, Ram-Air, Holly 4-barrel, glass packs and a nitrous kit? Oh, I forgot tires..... At the end of racing the fictitious Pinto...if he won...I would still have to laugh and shake my head...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org le contenu est roi From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:38:18 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14501 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-54.patriot.net [209.249.180.54]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA30486; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:38:11 -0400 Message-ID: <37E00269.8E2F9B9A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:32:42 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding to work at all costs Was: boo hoo too much rain References: <001501beff98$13157dc0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ride to work quite often - Crystal City. But I'm self employed and the search library is only a chunk of the job. 5 hours max. Go in after rush hour, blow outta there before it gets nasty. Bill Todd Peer wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX [mailto:johnwhiteside@XXXXXX] > > > > I rarely ride to work, and especially not when it rains. My > > commute is a nice morning ride but a crappy evening ride ("wow, > > here I am stopped on 66 on my bike!"). I don't like to deal with > > rush hour drivers in the rain. I don't like to get all wet > > getting to and from work. I drive my truck home and then hop on > > the bike for a fun ride that doesn't involve battling it out with > > overcaffeinated SUV owners who don't understand the concept of traction. > > > > Sign me "ain't got nothin' to prove." > > I'm certain other people on this list share your sentiments about getting to > work. I know Glenn Dysart is like you. > > It's not about proving anything. Sounds like your work hours are either > later/earlier than core, causing more traffic in the HOV lanes. Or maybe > I66 just sucks. > > For me, straight shot down FFax Cty Pkwy onto I95 HOV for 15 miles. Typical > commute time is 18 minutes, door to door. And as far as doing battle with > cagers, it's good for you. "That which doesn't kill you..." and all that. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:48:30 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14687 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:48:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Moto - AOL Instant Messenger Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:48:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I'm also on AIM - listed under V4MOFO - logged on almost straight through from 7am-10pm daily.. (no, I have no life) I'm also on ICQ under 22986134 Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > I just managed to get hooked up to AOL Instant Messenger. If > anyone else on > the list is on AOLIM, drop me a line at ChrisVTR1000. > > Chris Weaver > '98 (you guessed it) VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other > use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:59:44 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14844 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:59:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567ED.00739037 ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:02:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Tom Zell" cc: "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-ID: <852567ED.00738F8D.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:56:08 -0400 Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You're even scaring me. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Tom Zell" on 09/15/99 04:24:00 PM To: "mike@XXXXXX", "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of nitrous. Sorry that I had to bring this up... a buddy and I were talking about it earlier. Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 17:48:55 1999 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15767 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alecto.bittwiddlers.com (209-122-203-152.s406.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.203.152]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA11546 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4648 invoked by uid 48381); 15 Sep 1999 21:48:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:48:47 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bikes and the metro Message-ID: <19990915174847.A4609@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i How friendly is the DC metro system for motorcycles? I.e., are there special parking spaces in the lots, are there any special rules I should be aware of? Specifically I'm talking about the Springfield station. I'm curious because I have to head up to DC for a couple of things in a couple of days and I really don't like to drive in DC itself. -- Matthew Harrell The perversity of the universe Bit Twiddlers, Inc. tends to a maximum. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 18:03:03 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16066 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA29436; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:01:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Matthew Harrell cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro In-Reply-To: <19990915174847.A4609@bittwiddlers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not sure about springfield but many stations offer free motorcycle parking up near the front (west falls church, for example). - Brian ---- Brian Roach | Bug? What bug? Software Engineer | Oh that? That's a feature. Host Development | I'll be changing the implementation America Online, Inc | next week... On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Matthew Harrell wrote: > > How friendly is the DC metro system for motorcycles? I.e., are there special > parking spaces in the lots, are there any special rules I should be aware of? > Specifically I'm talking about the Springfield station. I'm curious because I > have to head up to DC for a couple of things in a couple of days and I really > don't like to drive in DC itself. > > -- > Matthew Harrell The perversity of the universe > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. tends to a maximum. > mharrell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 18:28:29 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16501 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-39.patriot.net [209.249.180.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11008; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: <37E01C3C.FBFB4E83@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:22:53 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX CC: Tom Zell , "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies References: <852567ED.00738F8D.00@172.16.2.37> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you want scarey? Shoulda been round when my buddy wedged a full-race 350 into a Vega and fed it giggle-gas. Bill Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > You're even scaring me. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > "Tom Zell" on 09/15/99 04:24:00 PM > > To: "mike@XXXXXX", > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies > > Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl > Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good > example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of > nitrous. > > Sorry that I had to bring this up... a buddy and I were talking about it > earlier. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 21:40:10 1999 Return-Path: lmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19778 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.247]) by mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:39:23 -0400 Message-ID: <37E04AFB.A8C71E4F@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:42:19 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro References: <19990915174847.A4609@bittwiddlers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know about Springfield, but I looked for marked bike spots in Dunn Loring and couldn't find them, so I parked in a regular spot. When I went to pay, the attendant told me it was free and had me ride up on the sidewalk to avoid the toll gate. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 Matthew Harrell wrote: > How friendly is the DC metro system for motorcycles? I.e., are there special > parking spaces in the lots, are there any special rules I should be aware of? > Specifically I'm talking about the Springfield station. I'm curious because I > have to head up to DC for a couple of things in a couple of days and I really > don't like to drive in DC itself. > > -- > Matthew Harrell The perversity of the universe > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. tends to a maximum. > mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 21:40:09 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19777 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20828; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002a01beffe4$92902860$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , "Troutman" References: <4.2.0.58.19990915163258.01422db0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:41:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Saw one in hot rod using a Thunderbird turbo setup (thye use the same engine) and a 150hp shot of nitrous. The car is outfitted with a full cage and competes (and whoops ass) in Hot Rod's street car racing series. No joke... the beauty of it though is that the guy drives it too and from the track! They aren't that bad... well maybe they are... but this car whoops butt! Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 4:35 PM Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies > At 04:24 PM 9/15/99 , Tom Zell wrote: > >Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl > >Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good > >example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of > >nitrous. > > Is that $50 for the Pinto, and $6950 in a 454, Ram-Air, Holly 4-barrel, > glass packs and a nitrous kit? Oh, I forgot tires..... > > At the end of racing the fictitious Pinto...if he won...I would still have > to laugh and shake my head...... > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > le contenu est roi > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 21:43:28 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19862 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA23001; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002d01beffe5$064a9f60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Bill Huson" , Cc: "Tom Zell" , , References: <852567ED.00738F8D.00@172.16.2.37> <37E01C3C.FBFB4E83@patriot.net> Subject: Was: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:44:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lenzy who is on this list (my best man) had a Vega with a nice running 355 in it. Too bad that it ate the rearend up. He should have never gotten rid of it. The Vega (even though a piece of royal crap with the stock drivetrain) can be a real nasty race car and it's built fairly well (known quite a few folks who street raced them back in the day). Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Cc: Tom Zell ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 6:22 PM Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies > you want scarey? Shoulda been round when my buddy wedged a full-race 350 into a > Vega and fed it giggle-gas. > > Bill > > Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > You're even scaring me. > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > "Tom Zell" on 09/15/99 04:24:00 PM > > > > To: "mike@XXXXXX", > > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > > Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies > > > > Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl > > Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good > > example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of > > nitrous. > > > > Sorry that I had to bring this up... a buddy and I were talking about it > > earlier. > > > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:03:55 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20159 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI4006GCR1L2T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:03:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA27206; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:02:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.159]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990916020319.CCOK28646@[166.44.166.159]>; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:03:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:00:46 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? In-reply-to: <002d01beffe5$064a9f60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> To: Thomas and Jeannette , Bill Huson , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Cc: Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000701beffe7$4a86d070$9fa62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas and Jeannette [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] > > > Lenzy who is on this list (my best man) had a Vega with a nice running 355 > in it. Too bad that it ate the rearend up. He should have never gotten > rid of it. The Vega (even though a piece of royal crap with the stock > drivetrain) can be a real nasty race car and it's built fairly well (known > quite a few folks who street raced them back in the day). > > Tom > '86 VFR750 Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:12:48 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20337 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-39.patriot.net [209.249.180.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA31393; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:09:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37E04FFB.586CAE14@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:03:40 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas and Jeannette CC: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? References: <852567ED.00738F8D.00@172.16.2.37> <37E01C3C.FBFB4E83@patriot.net> <002d01beffe5$064a9f60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This dude had a racing duty rear with a shortened axle so he could mount really wide slicks on it. Methinks the only *stock* parts was the sheet metal. Bill Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > Lenzy who is on this list (my best man) had a Vega with a nice running 355 > in it. Too bad that it ate the rearend up. He should have never gotten > rid of it. The Vega (even though a piece of royal crap with the stock > drivetrain) can be a real nasty race car and it's built fairly well (known > quite a few folks who street raced them back in the day). > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:29:32 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20646 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916022917.3118.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:29:17 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Gas in engine block To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Randy... Forgot to reply to this one last night.... Fromt eh GSXR list, this is an occasional suzuki problem (especially with the ram air models being hauled on a trailer) A float will stick and fill the cylinder with gas...Just take out the plug on that cylinder and turn over the motor (with the plug removed as well :)) With the ram air models, Trailering it with the ducts open can overpressurize the airboz and push gas through the carbs and into the cylinder as well.. Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:31:48 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20759 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-39.patriot.net [209.249.180.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA00850; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <37E054F9.90C0C514@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:24:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Thomas and Jeannette , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? References: <000701beffe7$4a86d070$9fa62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You perv! Had me a `58 Mopar ragtop. My bride-to-be made me sell my fine vehicle because she claimed she could sense the aura of all the virgins who had been comprimised in said car. I denied it all with my most innocent experssion, which didn't fool her a bit. The downside of a small college - no secrets. Bill Todd Peer wrote: > Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved > the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:35:35 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20906 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916023713.13300.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:37:13 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Trailers.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glenn, I've seen the same thing at several dealerships.. Manuals are rated for lower towing capacity than automatics.... dunno why.. never really gave it a thought...I prefer standards myself, but it seems near impossible to get a 4x4 with the good options on it but still retain standard.. unless you custom order of course.. and I ain't that rich :) CT === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 23:23:49 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21862 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA23112; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501befff3$05481b20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Bill Huson" , "Todd Peer" Cc: , "Tom Zell" , , References: <000701beffe7$4a86d070$9fa62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> <37E054F9.90C0C514@patriot.net> Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:24:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 LOL!!! Would have loved to have that car though. Tom <--- a sucker for old Mopars ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Todd Peer Cc: Thomas and Jeannette ; ; Tom Zell ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 10:24 PM Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? > You perv! Had me a `58 Mopar ragtop. My bride-to-be made me sell my fine vehicle > because she claimed she could sense the aura of all the virgins who had been > comprimised in said car. I denied it all with my most innocent experssion, which > didn't fool her a bit. The downside of a small college - no secrets. > > Bill > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved > > the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". > > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 00:16:07 1999 Return-Path: ltweed@XXXXXX Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22996 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ltweed@XXXXXX) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ELLZZS4N; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:13:24 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:59:30 -0400 Subject: Trailering was.Re: Trailers.. Message-ID: <19990916.001135.-951617.0.ltweed@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-7,9,11-13,23,27-29 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Louis E Tweed > that if automatics were so great for towing loads that tractor > trailers would have them. Actually they do have them. My father just ordered his new truck and it has an automatic (really semi-automatic more like a auto-stick) the transmision cost ~15K$ Yikes. > >vehicles are trucks with 3.5 rear axle ratios for towing, and > automatic. Sticks can't tow as much gross wieght, as per OEM specs. Standard axle > ratios are also limited as they're set up for econo-blasting and kind of come up > gasping with a load behind it. 3.5's are not a low gear ratio for trucks. More in the center of the available range. 3.7's or 4.0's are usually considered lower gear ratios so that isn't why your trucks can handle it. An automatic transmision usually has higher towing capacity listings from OEM manufactors. Except from Ford who specificly says you should not tow anything with their automatic transmision trucks. Several contractors I work with have found this out the hard way and are now purchasing new trucks to tow their trailers. One reason is Automatic transimisions create their own low gears by using hydraulic pressure to slip clutches allowing the engine to reach up into the power band before engaging. But from what I have seen so far the person who started this thread wasn't looking for a truck, they were looking for a trailer. And any full size pickup should be able to pull a 7'x14' enclosed trailer with two bikes or a car in it. Louis P.S. The new Toyota Tundra looks like a nice truck. I would have to look pretty hard at them if I needed another truck right now. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 05:32:45 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA29000 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id iCWO5HcUw_ (3861); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:32:04 EDT Subject: Re: Aprillia Scooter To: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/15/99 10:21:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, k_d_mueller@XXXXXX writes: << The manual says it has a Dell'orto SHA 14/12.. so it's probably "unrestricted". but is there anything i can do? i.e. cheap tricks to make it even less unrestricted >> Well, a 14 or 12 size is a small "legal" carburetor for a 50cc. My Italjet street bike had a 19 size while my Gori 50cc MX racebike had a 21 on it. I would put a bigger carb on it based on how it is ported. If it is ported like a "legal" bike I wouldn't go bigger than a 17 size carb. If Aprilia sells it with race porting and relies on the carb and restrictor in the manifold to keep it legal I would go up to a 19 size carb. Cosmopolitan Motors sells Dell'Ortos and they are on the web. The only other thing is to buy a "Pollini" hop-up kit for it. These kits usually include a ported cylinder, domed piston/rings and head. Click here: Polini S.p.A. - Motorbikes and motorcycles special parts http://www.polini.com/flash3.html Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 05:47:13 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA29235 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:47:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2DDP0RrWkz (3861) for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397edba7.2512166a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:46:18 EDT Subject: Motociclismo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Contrary to what Cycle World claims, Motociclismo which began printing in 1914 is the world's most widely distributed motorcycle magazine. On September 15th they opened their first website. While it is in Italian it does have alot of pictures and a "news" section that is in English. Motociclismo usually scoops everyone on news so you can get advance info on new bikes, mergers/acquisitions etc. Try it. Click here: motociclismo Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 07:26:18 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00751 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916112528.8585.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.19.179] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:25:28 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro To: Matthew Harrell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > How friendly is the DC metro system for motorcycles? I.e., are there special > parking spaces in the lots, are there any special rules I should be aware of? > Specifically I'm talking about the Springfield station. I'm curious because > I have to head up to DC for a couple of things in a couple of days and I > really don't like to drive in DC itself. They are pretty friendly. Most metro stations with parking lots have motorcycle parking. Usually it's located near the "Kiss and Ride" or the metered short parking, not in the main parking lot itself. Sometimes it might take a little effort to find. The spaces usually have a little sign with a picture of a motorcycle that looks almost like a bicycle. you said you were going to the Springfield station, I have used their motorcycle parking a few times so can verify it exists there. When I went to the New Carrollton station last week, not only did they have motorcycle parking, but at each "slot" they had a metal rack bolted into the ground connected to a heavy chain, so I was able to use my Kryponite lock and connect the bike to the chain. I don't know if this is available at all the stations with motorcycle parking, and I don't remember seeing it at Springfield, but it sure felt nice to use!! Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 07:26:37 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00755 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA22043 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA26328; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5687@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: RIP Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:25:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like a great lady. http://www.ironbutt.com/ibr/99/epilog.html Rich '78 Triumph '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 07:28:45 1999 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00844 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alecto.bittwiddlers.com (216-164-129-195.s449.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.129.195]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA14257 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20168 invoked by uid 48381); 16 Sep 1999 11:28:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:28:31 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro Message-ID: <19990916072831.A20158@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i : They are pretty friendly. Most metro stations with parking lots have : motorcycle parking. Usually it's located near the "Kiss and Ride" or the : metered short parking, not in the main parking lot itself. Sometimes it might : take a little effort to find. The spaces usually have a little sign with a : picture of a motorcycle that looks almost like a bicycle. you said you were : going to the Springfield station, I have used their motorcycle parking a few : times so can verify it exists there. Great! Everyone - thanks for the information. I'll have to start taking advantage of it more frequently if that's the case. -- Matthew Harrell You're just jealous because the Bit Twiddlers, Inc. voices only talk to me. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 07:56:21 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01225 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id HAA0000017639; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:57:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding in the Rain Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 OK, so who rode to work *today*? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 08:28:15 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01776 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10990 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro In-Reply-To: <19990916112528.8585.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > When I went to the New Carrollton station last week, not only did they > have motorcycle parking, but at each "slot" they had a metal rack > bolted into the ground connected to a heavy chain, so I was able to use > my Kryponite lock and connect the bike to the chain. I don't know if > this is available at all the stations with motorcycle parking, and I > don't remember seeing it at Springfield, but it sure felt nice to use!! I would say this is essential for that station. I don't know what the stats are now but just a few years ago they were having more than one car a week stolen there, on average. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 08:53:48 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02182 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm2a-103.his.com [216.200.82.103]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10974; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990916084522.00906490@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:45:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: trailer for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Someone was looking for a trailer. Team Charm is selling our flat bed trailer. It is currently at Rich's house in VA. It has a 2k load cap, single axle, pivoting center 8x10 flatbed. No rust, but the wooden floor rotted away & is being replaced. We used to have it covered, it was the red barn tailer (see http://www.his.com/~harris/trail1.jpg and http://www.his.com/~harris/trail2.jpg) & graffitti trailer. We got rid of the covering some time ago. Anyway, Rich is in the process of rebuilding it for sale. If someone needs a trailer this is a good one and if you contact Rich you can either pick it up as for cheap or specify how it is rebuilt for a little more. Rich is at sturges@XXXXXX. If you act now, for just a little more money is can come pre-loaded with all the EX500 parts you would need for a complete bike to go racing...:-) I will be up at Summit Point this weekend. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:01:36 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02592 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11RbA2-0007Lz-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:01:14 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24485; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 16 Sep 1999 09:00:07 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: , Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:08:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas and Jeannette [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] > > > Lenzy who is on this list (my best man) had a Vega with a nice running 355 > in it. Too bad that it ate the rearend up. He should have never gotten > rid of it. The Vega (even though a piece of royal crap with the stock > drivetrain) can be a real nasty race car and it's built fairly well (known > quite a few folks who street raced them back in the day). > > Tom > '86 VFR750 Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". Todd My '75 station wagon had quite the opposite effect. It scared off the females, and the mosquitos. "I'll take a quart of oil and $5 of gas please" The cool thing was you could scare the crap out of passengers by taking corners fast. Dragging a footpeg is nothing compared to dragging a front bumper. Looking up at the passenger (yes, up in a right turn) you could see some serious fear in their face. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:06:24 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02759 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916131506.26191.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:15:06 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did. I didn't see any other bikes this morning. I did get a slight leak in the usual place on the 'stich this AM. I'll have to be a little more careful going home. Leon. --- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > OK, so who rode to work *today*? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:21:31 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03197 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11RbTb-0000Mb-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:21:27 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29235; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 16 Sep 1999 09:20:17 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Trailering was.Re: Trailers.. Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:28:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal *** Warning, non-moto (unless you tow big trailers) *** -- Louis Wrote ---- so that isn't why your trucks can handle it. An automatic transmision usually has higher towing capacity listings from OEM manufactors. Except from Ford who specificly says you should not tow anything with their automatic transmision trucks. Several contractors I work with have found this out the hard way and are now purchasing new trucks to tow their Don't know where you got your info, but it is very much bogus. Ford specifically lowers their towing capacity (by almost half) on their manual transmissions. Unless you fork out $40K+ for a Super Duty, the automatics are all much stronger for towing than their manual counterparts. In the light duty F150/250 line, the 5-spd is made by Mazda and is the same tranny used in the explorer. I special ordered my truck to be as light duty as possible because heavy duty parts cost $ in the long run (and the auto costing $1200 more at purchase time). I sorta wish I hadn't gotten the POS manual (as it is known on the F150 list). BTW, the F150 list has nothing but positive things to say about towing with the automatic. Some of those guys tow some serious 5th wheel trailers. Bottom line is, if you want to tow some weight, get a transmission cooler. Ford or not. All manufacturers include them in the towing packages. Also, don't use the overdrive. That is the part of the auto that uses some form of clutch to slip between gears and will constantly hunt while pulling a trailer. That will raise tranny temps and heat is what kills an automatic while towing. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:23:43 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03229 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EE.0049A504 ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:24:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Todd Peer cc: Thomas and Jeannette , Bill Huson , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EE.0049A2A8.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:20:12 -0400 Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ask Brian about his new love mobile! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Todd Peer on 09/15/99 10:00:46 PM To: Thomas and Jeannette , Bill Huson , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX cc: Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:28:07 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03307 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:28:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EE.004A0D51 ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:28:50 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EE.004A0C91.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:24:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I didn't, and I'm always riding...although I could've, it wasn't too bad out there. The hubby stayed home so I could take the car. Nice job he has, eh? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX on 09/16/99 07:57:25 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Riding in the Rain OK, so who rode to work *today*? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:51:31 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03710 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud78a (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18211 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005801bf004a$5226fd10$ac5d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:49:38 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Not me...reports of possible 40-70 mph winds this evening kind of put a damper on my riding today. I snuck my new F4 into the local banks parking garage. Hopefully they won't find it. Better paying a parking fine, instead of for new plastics (or worse) for a knocked over bike. Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 7:57 AM Subject: Riding in the Rain > OK, so who rode to work *today*? > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 10:03:50 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03885 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-39.patriot.net [209.249.180.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10433; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37E0F76B.7E4CF567@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:58:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: ltweed@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailering was.Re: Trailers.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay St. Peter wrote: > *** Warning, non-moto (unless you tow big trailers) *** > . All manufacturers include them in the towing packages. Also, > don't use the overdrive. That is the part of the auto that uses some form > of clutch to slip between gears and will constantly hunt while pulling a > trailer. That will raise tranny temps and heat is what kills an automatic > while towing. This is true for Chevys. I guess Fords if you say so. Dodges say to delete the OD if the constant in/out shifting annoys you. I usually punch it out anytime I'm in hills and let it go OD on the coastal flats. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 10:38:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04469 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23808 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17008 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id KAA12123 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id KAA01297; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:38:11 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0245AB0F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Camaro Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:39:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain <> That's weird. My cousin owned an IROC and lives around Columbia MD and had it stolen TWICE. The cops clocked the car at 140 during one stolen run . . . John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 10:48:15 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04661 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916144919.22066.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:49:19 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I rode in to find cars, emboldened by the absence of motorcycles, had taken over the motorcycle-only parking. Sean Sullivan --- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > OK, so who rode to work *today*? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 11:04:47 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04962 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.67] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6E8960122; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:04:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37E1065D.F604F894@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:01:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: johnwhites