From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 03:53:49 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: RE: license plate covers To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Hmmmm.... I no photo expert but I find it hard to believe that if > my naked > eye can't see the plate from a certain angle that their camera can. > Any > camera experts here? I can't imagine those camera lenses being too > fantastic seeing how they still need a flash to get your tag at > night. I think some cameras pick up light on different frequencies and can see more. > Oh and of all of the photo camera's I've seen they take the picture > from the > rear, not the front. I woudln't know. > So who wants to test mine out by running a red light in the area? > :-) I'll > loan you the cover, not the vehicle! I'll loan my bike, and someone else put their tag on. Then when the ticket comes to the address, you can say some punk musta stole your tag and put it back, as that's not your bike or you riding it. The tag belongs to the state right? charge them with the ticket. :) > Glenn > > > > >[from a different list] > > >I guess we're all spewing a bunch of useless shit. > > >Congrats, Bill Huson, you win. It seems we'll just > >have to slow down now. That is, until they invent a > >plate cover that actually works. > > > >--- Big Kahuna wrote: > > From: "Big Kahuna" > > To: > > Subject: RE: license plate covers > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:04:09 -0700 > > Reply-to: cbr900@XXXXXX > > > > They don't work! > > > > I saw a special on Dateline that showed that all the > > devices that said they > > prevented the police from viewing your plates by > > camera, don't hamper them > > at all. At first, the photo's looked bright and you > > couldn't make out the > > plate, but then the simply reversed the image and > > there they were. They had > > a few different and equally as quick ways of > > manipulating the image to get > > the numbers off the plates. > > > > The only good thing about motorcycles is that they > > don't have a front plate, > > and I believe most camera's shoot the pictures from > > the front. > > > > -- > > Big Kahuna > > cbr900rr@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 05:50:58 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:50:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Morality of speeding To: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark wrote: > There's a bigger issue here. You are not "alone" even if there's no > one within > sight on the road. To take an extreme point of view, let's say you > are riding > alone, and crash. Eventually, someone comes by, and they call 911. > The EMTs > respond, take you to the hospital, and after some period of time, > you leave, > not too much the worse for wear. So, who else did you endanger? > > the person who stopped for you on the side of the road > they could have been hit by on-coming traffic > > anyone traveling over any debris (glass, oil, etc.) as a result > of your accident > > the medical personnel who had to drive [fast] to come to your aid > > any injured person who could have been treated by the EMTs and > physicians that were treating you instead (Assuming you were alone) Okay you make some good points.. but dare I say, speed alone is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at risk, even when riding all alone.. but can you blame speeding, for crashing? I personally dont'think so, and contend there has to be some other, more direct cause. If you're riding at 50 or 90 (in a 55), you're still running the same risks, if you crash, for the "people who come by". Good semaritan and EMT people put themselves at risk, no one puts a gun to their head. They assume the risk, as do we all. > => > => Are you telling me you never drove like a bat out of hell? > => > > Sure I have, but don't kid yourself that if you are "alone" that > you are not > endangering anyone else. Maybe.. maybe not.. I suppose if you put hazardous debri on the road, then you are endangering others.. but driving alone isnt' the cause of that.. accidents are. Also when one drives, doesn't one have knowledge that this type of thing can exist, and take the risk anyway? > Please understand that I'm not preaching... I'm presenting a very > extreme > viewpoint (not a viewpoint that I am personally committed to), but Understood, and I thank you.. you've certainly presented ideas I havne't thought of, and presented them intellegently and respectfully.. > I try to > keep those risk factors (that I may be a risk to other people who > are _not_ > present) in mind and sometimes I temper my riding because it's > unfair to > others. Sometimes I just give money to the local fire & rescue fund > and ride > anyway... Considerate.. :) > => > => It's my oppion that, if you can do 90 and control your bike as > => well as if you were doing 55, and didn't hurt anyone, then no > > Interesting definition...the "didn't hurt anyone" part. So, if on > Monday you > drive down a road at 90 and don't hurt anyone it's OK, and on > Tuesday you drive > the same way, and you (alone) get hurt, you are a reckless driver? > Were you any > less (or more) reckless on Monday, or just lucky? If you drive monday and dont' crash, and drive tuesday and do crash, then I can't see how you've driven the same way. If on tuesday you hit an oil spill and crashed, and didn't see it in time, then it's reckless I suppose. If you drove the same speed, (beyond your sight,) then that would have to be reckless too on monday. I think we can agree a person shouldn't risk others, we'll have to disagree on how you define "putting others at risk". > => harm no foul. Speed might be a contributing factor to injury, > => but speed doesn't kill, driver error and accidents (by > malfunction > => or unforseable events) do. > => > => It's a pet peeve of mine to hear a person say speed kills. > => If that's the case why isn't every astronaut and racer > => dead... because speed doesn't kill and IMO speeding isn't > => inherently wrong.. so what's your beef with speed? Do you hate > > In the simplest, most pedantic case, I agree with you, speed does > not kill. > However, speed is more than a "contributing factor" in many cases. > If you have > an accident while driving down a road at 90, and you didn't have > one when > driving at 50, is the difference in velocity merely a "contributing > factor" or > is it the root cause of the accident? i'd say contributing factor. If another person can go down the same road at 90 and not crash, then speed couldn't be the cause.. the cause I would presume, would be the rider not riding within his limits. > => the speed, or do you really mean people who drive over > aggressively? > => How are you defining bat out of hell? bat out of hell always > meant > => speed to me. > => > => Personally I'd like to see High speed lanes just like we have > high > => occupancy lanes, especially with borders around them... low > speed > => lanes could be for 45 mph and high speed could be 75. I think > => it would be more efficient and a less dangerous mixture of > different > => speed (and aggressive drivers) 2 lands and 2 lanes, you > wouldn't > => have those idiots jumping over 4 lanes driving improperly. The > => worse they coudl do would be pass on the right. > > I agree about your diagnosis regarding aggression vrs speed, but > not your > prescription. Unfortunately, idiots will drive like idiots, no > matter how much > you border them in. I still think it would be a little safer though.. you'd keep the timid slower reaction, younger or older drivers on a seperate road. > I just got back to the US after spending time in Turkey and Europe. > While the > driving in Turkey is objectively worse than in the US (accident > rate, fatality > rate, etc.), in both Turkey and through out Europe (Italy, > Switzerland, France, > Germany), there isn't the same level as aggression as I've seen in > the US. > People drive _fast_ over "there". However, there's much less of a > problem with > the 20+ mph speed differential between lanes for the mind-numbingly > simple fact > that people keep to the right except when passing! > > I don't want to start a long, philosophical flame-fest thread with > this, but I > think there's more to speeding (or riding in the first place) than > the risk > that you as an individual are assuming. I guess you could carry it one step further and say there is more to life than to the role you're assuming ? :) > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 > Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > -- > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 05:51:06 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Morality of speeding To: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark wrote: > There's a bigger issue here. You are not "alone" even if there's no > one within > sight on the road. To take an extreme point of view, let's say you > are riding > alone, and crash. Eventually, someone comes by, and they call 911. > The EMTs > respond, take you to the hospital, and after some period of time, > you leave, > not too much the worse for wear. So, who else did you endanger? > > the person who stopped for you on the side of the road > they could have been hit by on-coming traffic > > anyone traveling over any debris (glass, oil, etc.) as a result > of your accident > > the medical personnel who had to drive [fast] to come to your aid > > any injured person who could have been treated by the EMTs and > physicians that were treating you instead (Assuming you were alone) Okay you make some good points.. but dare I say, speed alone is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at risk, even when riding all alone.. but can you blame speeding, for crashing? I personally dont'think so, and contend there has to be some other, more direct cause. If you're riding at 50 or 90 (in a 55), you're still running the same risks, if you crash, for the "people who come by". Good semaritan and EMT people put themselves at risk, no one puts a gun to their head. They assume the risk, as do we all. > => > => Are you telling me you never drove like a bat out of hell? > => > > Sure I have, but don't kid yourself that if you are "alone" that > you are not > endangering anyone else. Maybe.. maybe not.. I suppose if you put hazardous debri on the road, then you are endangering others.. but driving alone isnt' the cause of that.. accidents are. Also when one drives, doesn't one have knowledge that this type of thing can exist, and take the risk anyway? > Please understand that I'm not preaching... I'm presenting a very > extreme > viewpoint (not a viewpoint that I am personally committed to), but Understood, and I thank you.. you've certainly presented ideas I havne't thought of, and presented them intellegently and respectfully.. > I try to > keep those risk factors (that I may be a risk to other people who > are _not_ > present) in mind and sometimes I temper my riding because it's > unfair to > others. Sometimes I just give money to the local fire & rescue fund > and ride > anyway... Considerate.. :) > => > => It's my oppion that, if you can do 90 and control your bike as > => well as if you were doing 55, and didn't hurt anyone, then no > > Interesting definition...the "didn't hurt anyone" part. So, if on > Monday you > drive down a road at 90 and don't hurt anyone it's OK, and on > Tuesday you drive > the same way, and you (alone) get hurt, you are a reckless driver? > Were you any > less (or more) reckless on Monday, or just lucky? If you drive monday and dont' crash, and drive tuesday and do crash, then I can't see how you've driven the same way. If on tuesday you hit an oil spill and crashed, and didn't see it in time, then it's reckless I suppose. If you drove the same speed, (beyond your sight,) then that would have to be reckless too on monday. I think we can agree a person shouldn't risk others, we'll have to disagree on how you define "putting others at risk". > => harm no foul. Speed might be a contributing factor to injury, > => but speed doesn't kill, driver error and accidents (by > malfunction > => or unforseable events) do. > => > => It's a pet peeve of mine to hear a person say speed kills. > => If that's the case why isn't every astronaut and racer > => dead... because speed doesn't kill and IMO speeding isn't > => inherently wrong.. so what's your beef with speed? Do you hate > > In the simplest, most pedantic case, I agree with you, speed does > not kill. > However, speed is more than a "contributing factor" in many cases. > If you have > an accident while driving down a road at 90, and you didn't have > one when > driving at 50, is the difference in velocity merely a "contributing > factor" or > is it the root cause of the accident? i'd say contributing factor. If another person can go down the same road at 90 and not crash, then speed couldn't be the cause.. the cause I would presume, would be the rider not riding within his limits. > => the speed, or do you really mean people who drive over > aggressively? > => How are you defining bat out of hell? bat out of hell always > meant > => speed to me. > => > => Personally I'd like to see High speed lanes just like we have > high > => occupancy lanes, especially with borders around them... low > speed > => lanes could be for 45 mph and high speed could be 75. I think > => it would be more efficient and a less dangerous mixture of > different > => speed (and aggressive drivers) 2 lands and 2 lanes, you > wouldn't > => have those idiots jumping over 4 lanes driving improperly. The > => worse they coudl do would be pass on the right. > > I agree about your diagnosis regarding aggression vrs speed, but > not your > prescription. Unfortunately, idiots will drive like idiots, no > matter how much > you border them in. I still think it would be a little safer though.. you'd keep the timid slower reaction, younger or older drivers on a seperate road. > I just got back to the US after spending time in Turkey and Europe. > While the > driving in Turkey is objectively worse than in the US (accident > rate, fatality > rate, etc.), in both Turkey and through out Europe (Italy, > Switzerland, France, > Germany), there isn't the same level as aggression as I've seen in > the US. > People drive _fast_ over "there". However, there's much less of a > problem with > the 20+ mph speed differential between lanes for the mind-numbingly > simple fact > that people keep to the right except when passing! > > I don't want to start a long, philosophical flame-fest thread with > this, but I > think there's more to speeding (or riding in the first place) than > the risk > that you as an individual are assuming. I guess you could carry it one step further and say there is more to life than to the role you're assuming ? :) > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 > Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > -- > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 06:49:51 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:49:33 -0400 Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in my vehicles. Glenn >Well than, there you go ... if the manual sez 15-50 for summer, 10-40 >for winter, thats the deal. Methinks mine sez straight 60W for extreme >heat - like desert type, and something lighter than 15-50 for dead cold, >like around freezing. The only real prob with 15-50 in the winter is the >frigging engine is tough to kick over with goo for oil. This is my clue >to take the cage, being as I'm skinny and freeze kinda quick :-) >Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 07:12:30 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Old tires over new/Learning to slide On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > If one would like to learn to slide, the technique is not to go out on > old ass tires on a public road in the name of "practice". You certainly have some interesting interpretations... I guess you envision Leon out on Duke St doing full dirt track style slides complete with bumping of the other "competitors" (a losing proposition of course as an elbow or shoulder applied to a car door doesn't do much good. Better to give them the boot). :) I really don't think that's what Leon's talking about. I like to practice in parking lots (Leon as well, he's set-up parking lot practice sessions in the past. Hey, it's time for another one. Maybe I can get the best time on the circles if Collin is several hundred miles away...). Also, I don't know anyone who advocates dirt road riding (on your street bike) more than Leon. > Buy an XR and find a field. It's way less dangerous. I don't really think this works all that well, at least not for me. Going from sliding a 250lb bike to sliding a 450lb or more bike just doesn't carry over that well for me. > I have very little tact when I write and I realize that. I would not > speak to a stranger in the same way I write, I'm just not a talented > enough writer to put my conversational tone into paragraphs. Please > take the written attitude with a grain of salt. Thanks - I hope that's true. However, first impressions are lasting impressions. If you really don't want people to think you're a prick you should put some more effort into it... Sorry, I couldn't resist... :) Kirk (often a jerk on purpose) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 07:55:36 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 07:50:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Daniel aka ITM CC: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morality of speeding --------------A169ECB54EE5BC4CDF742FD2 Daniel aka ITM wrote: > Okay you make some good points.. but dare I say, speed alone > is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits > and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only > become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at > risk, even when riding all alone.. but can you blame > speeding, for crashing? I personally dont'think so, and contend > there has to be some other, more direct cause. > > Yeah, driving over your head would be a cause, and that is defined as going TO FAST for one's skill level and/or the capabiity of the machine. So the "more direct cause" would be gross stupidity. Bill --------------A169ECB54EE5BC4CDF742FD2  

Daniel aka ITM wrote:

Okay you make some good points..  but dare I say, speed alone
is not unsafe, until you start driving outside of your limits
and those that the road were designed for. Those "risks" above only
become risks once you crash. So you can say crashing puts others at
risk, even when riding all alone..  but can you blame
speeding, for crashing?  I personally dont'think so, and contend
there has to be some other, more direct cause.
 
 
Yeah, driving over your head would be a cause, and that is defined as going TO FAST for one's skill level and/or the capabiity of the machine. So the "more direct cause" would be gross stupidity.

Bill --------------A169ECB54EE5BC4CDF742FD2-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:10:47 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:05:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of synthetic oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down > like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in my > vehicles. > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:22:09 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Intervals- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:22:05 -0400 Really??? Why??? What problems do they see with it especially in a HD where the tranny is not lubricated by the crankcase oil? It would seem to me with those air cooled engines synthetic would be the only way to go. What valid reasons do you have for not using it? The way I understood it from my friend who has a road king was that HD was approving Mobil 1 for use in their bikes. Or is HD saying to only use HD oil for their finical benefit? Glenn >Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of synthetic >oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. >Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down > like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in my > vehicles. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:54:03 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:43:00 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Old tires/Kirks flame bait To: DC Cycles X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Kirk - I don't want to get into this on a list. Ride whatever you want, however you want. If old tires are something to "revel" in so be it. If you're ever at the track we could discuss it under much more conciliatory conditions I'm sure. (I sold my street bikes) Jonathan Broga > > I hope that's true. However, first impressions are lasting impressions. If > you really don't want people to think you're a prick you should put some > more effort into it... Sorry, I couldn't resist... :) > > Kirk (often a jerk on purpose) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 08:58:48 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:53:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- Hmmm... I'd have to look at my jugs of oil, but I believe the tranny uses a synthetic blend. The clutch runs wet in the primary chain oil, which I think is petro based. H-D sez if one must use other oil, make sure it has the additive package for desiel engines so it will take the heat. Perhaps the new 1450 engine accepts a wider range of slickems. H-D merely markets someone elses oil under thier name. This can be bad - OMC (outboards) does the same thing. One year OMC changed suppliers. The oil was better, but not for us racers who had to run our fuel thru a *smoke* test. The new oil had to much *smoke* in it and would barely pass the GT meter test. Anyway, I have no valid reason for not running Mobil 1. But if you don't beat up a Harley engine the damn things will run more'n 100K with nothing but plugs and oil. Figure at my current rate of a bit over 10K/yr I'll be parking my ride in front of an old age home before the engine goes belly up. Probably need a side car rig by then. Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Really??? Why??? What problems do they see with it especially in a HD > where the tranny is not lubricated by the crankcase oil? It would seem to > me with those air cooled engines synthetic would be the only way to go. > What valid reasons do you have for not using it? The way I understood it > from my friend who has a road king was that HD was approving Mobil 1 for > use in their bikes. Or is HD saying to only use HD oil for their finical > benefit? > > Glenn > > >Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of > synthetic > >oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. > > >Bill > > Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > > > Not if you use Mobil 1 or another synthetic. Synthetics don't slow down > > like conventional oils in cold temperatures. I run 15 - 50 rear round in > my > > vehicles. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 10:34:56 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:17:07 -0400 Subject: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being out of alignment? Any feedback would be appreciated. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 10:43:26 1999 From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike died... looking for advice Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:36:39 -0400 Armed with all the good advice, I went out last night and examined the bike. First thing I did was to put the key back in, and try to start the bike. After a couple of seconds, the oil light slowly came on, and I mean slowly. Okay, easy conclusion, it's the battery. Power is getting through (so its not the fuse), and the key is working (so it's not the ignition switch). Off to wally-world to buy a battery and a charger. Monday's big project: rebuild the front calipers! -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Petty [mailto:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:05 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike died... looking for advice > > > So I was getting ready to ride in the morning, took the bike out of > neutral and put it in first, accidentally hit the kill switch, and the > bike died... > > Okay, here's the particulars. > > it's an '83 Honda V65 Magna with a two year old battery > > a) bike started first try this morning, and was warmed up > b) put the bike in first > c) hit the kill switch with the back of my hand > d) engine died > e) tried to put the bike back in neutral, but when I did, the > dash died > f) played with the key for several moments, nothing happened, > no lights, > no dash activity, nothing. > g) played with the kill switch several moments, nothing happened > h) caged it to work (I was already late), in a very bad mood. > > help? > > My first thought is that I've blown the master fuse, and that's the > first thing I'm gonna check when I get home. I thought maybe the kill > switch has gone south, but that wouldn't explain the dead dash. Could > the battery have given up the ghost that fast, and that completely? > > Any other thoughts? > > -Mark > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 10:57:11 1999 From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:03:15 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I think your guess about front wheel balance sounds right. I had a VTR but don't recall ever noticing that problem, and I would occasionally glide to a stop without my hands on the bars to stretch or something. You might also want to check rear wheel alignment if the chain tension was adjusted recently. I think that might cause similiar symptoms if the rear wheel was cocked a little to the side. Jonathan >As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder >if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people >who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least >attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and >back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back >wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being >out of alignment? > >Any feedback would be appreciated. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 11:44:25 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Bike died... looking for advice To: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Maybe the battery just needs water? I still might not rule out a bad connection either.. but I'd check the battery water level first off all, then i'd make sure the battery connections were tight, then try jiggling wires around the ingnition, then go buy a battery. Let us know... Daniel 91 ninja 250 --- Mark Petty wrote: > Armed with all the good advice, I went out last night and examined > the > bike. First thing I did was to put the key back in, and try to > start the > bike. After a couple of seconds, the oil light slowly came on, and > I > mean slowly. > > Okay, easy conclusion, it's the battery. Power is getting through > (so > its not the fuse), and the key is working (so it's not the ignition > switch). Off to wally-world to buy a battery and a charger. > > Monday's big project: rebuild the front calipers! > > -Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Petty [mailto:mark.petty@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:05 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Bike died... looking for advice > > > > > > So I was getting ready to ride in the morning, took the bike out > of > > neutral and put it in first, accidentally hit the kill switch, > and the > > bike died... > > > > Okay, here's the particulars. > > > > it's an '83 Honda V65 Magna with a two year old battery > > > > a) bike started first try this morning, and was warmed up > > b) put the bike in first > > c) hit the kill switch with the back of my hand > > d) engine died > > e) tried to put the bike back in neutral, but when I did, the > > dash died > > f) played with the key for several moments, nothing happened, > > no lights, > > no dash activity, nothing. > > g) played with the kill switch several moments, nothing happened > > h) caged it to work (I was already late), in a very bad mood. > > > > help? > > > > My first thought is that I've blown the master fuse, and that's > the > > first thing I'm gonna check when I get home. I thought maybe the > kill > > switch has gone south, but that wouldn't explain the dead dash. > Could > > the battery have given up the ghost that fast, and that > completely? > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > -Mark > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:06:10 1999 From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:56:37 -0400 I vote for the back wheel being out of alignment. > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Flapping Bars? > > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the > flapping > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being > out of alignment? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:13:26 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) To: Daniel aka ITM , Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I see hechinger has an 8x10 shed for $188 or $199 something like that. I already have concrete in the backyard, so I think I'm going to get a shed. Anyone baught one recently? If so What size did you buy and how much was it? Or maybe you've priced them? guess i'll get an 8x10 or 8x12. Guess I'll go to home depot this evening and check out what they have... === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:34:08 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:22:38 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:17:07 -0400 >I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of self-preservation kicks in. ------------------------------------------------------------- The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, I would suppose) generally takes care of it. Hope this helps. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:45:55 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:41:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hmm... Maybe those wheelies the other day weren't such a great idea after all. How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? Tighten the big hex bolt at the steering head? I don't have a service manual yet, or I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I have plans to go back to Crossroads Cycle and have them take a look at it, but if simply tightening a bolt fixes it, I won't bother. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: Horkster The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, I would suppose) generally takes care of it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 12:50:49 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:49:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) At 12:13 PM 9/1/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >I see hechinger has an 8x10 shed for $188 or $199 something like >that. I already have concrete in the backyard, so I think I'm >going to get a shed. > >Anyone baught one recently? >If so What size did you buy and how much was it? >Or maybe you've priced them? guess i'll get an 8x10 or >8x12. Guess I'll go to home depot this evening and check >out what they have... Wish I could buy one....HOA doesn't allow them. Rubbermaid sells a pretty durable (Ugly as sin) shed for a few hundred. If I bought one, I would want it to be big enough to work on the bike in. At least for oil changes, etc.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:12:41 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:55:42 -0400 Subject: Weekend Ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but no organization. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:22:03 1999 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:15:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Content-Disposition: inline >>How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? Tighten the big hex bolt at the steering head?<< You will most likely find two notched nuts under the top triple clamp. The big hex bolt at the steering head you mentioned is on top of the top triple clamp. Depending on how your steering head is put together determines how easy it is to adjust them. On my bike you have to remove the top triple clamp in order to adjust the notched nuts. I believe that's not necessary on all bikes. Even if it is, its removal is usually fairly easy. Adjusting the nuts Sit at the back of the seat to get the front wheel off the ground. Check how freely the steering moves, allowing it to "fall" against the end stop. It will probably fall easily and "bounce" a couple of times off the end stop. After loosening the top notched nut,tighten the bottom nut either with the proper tool or with a flat blade screwdriver and wooden mallet until you can repeat the above test and get things tightened up just enough to eliminate the bounce. If you make it too tight the steering won't fall all the way to the stop. You don't want that because It will cause the bike to drift to one side or the other when you are trying to go straight. One you have it set right, simply tighten the top notched nut down on the lower one to keep it from moving out of adjustment. Of course this description is generic and your bike may have somewhat different procedures for adjusting the bearings. But you would need the service manual to see how much different. In any case you should be OK as long as you don't make the bearings too tight. Hope this helps Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:33:34 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:31:19 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:55 PM 9/1/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in >organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but >no organization. I am up for a Friday / Sunday or Monday ride if one is planned. Taking off for a 4 day weekend, but nowhere to travel to! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:33:44 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - aerodynamics can be a factor. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:37:25 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:36:35 EDT Subject: Loudoun Motorsports needs Cornerworkers for Track Day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hello All, The subject line pretty much sums it up. They need cornerworkers for their track day on Sept. 7th. They prefer MARRC trained/experienced cornerworkers, but are willing to train. They're giving a $50 stipend, lunch and a t-shirt. Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is 703-779-1652. thanx, -matt From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:48:05 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > How would I go about tightening the steering > head bearings? If someone else hasn't got the answer already, Usually there is a second nut under the big 'easy to identify' top one. In many cases it takes a spanner type wrench to turn it (or a BFH and punch if you're not to concerned about looks.) Tighten it until you start to feel some resistance when you turn the handlebars, then back off a bit. By turning the handlebars you shouldn't be able to tell that anything changed, but when riding it will make a difference. You might also want to check for 'flat spots' when turning the handlebars. If you can feel a flatspot, then you need to live with the headshake until your new bearings come in. Leon - who was once refused entry into an experienced rider course because of flattened steering head bearings - - it didn't shake when I had my hands on the bars. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:57:52 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:57:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 > From: "Jordan, Michael" > To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - > aerodynamics can be a factor. Is that aerodynamics issues, or loading which affects the center of balance? Also, isn't this "flapping bars" effect what's also known as "A tank slapper?" -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:58:23 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:59:43 -0400 To: Troutman , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm up for sat/sun/mon. At 01:31 PM 9/1/99 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 12:55 PM 9/1/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >>Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in >>organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but >>no organization. > >I am up for a Friday / Sunday or Monday ride if one is planned. Taking >off for a 4 day weekend, but nowhere to travel to! > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 15 tooth, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 13:59:33 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 99 13:56:28 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Weekend Ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX I was going to to my regular first saturday of the month ride, but I'll be in atlanta this weekend. I do have two nice routes though if anyone is interested-One is all day, starting in manassas and work down to the base of skyline, then up skyline to 211 and a couple other roads, the other is shorter, working down to 211 from manassas and then through the gw forest. greg --- On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:55:42 -0400 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in >organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest but >no organization. > >Mark >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/1/99 HSTA/AMA 1:56:28 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:00:50 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:48:42 -0400 Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Aerodynamics shouldn't be a factor in my particular problem, as the bike has no luggage and the headshake happens even at lower speeds where aerodynamics wouldn't come into play. Good suggestion, though. The problem also has only occurred since the tire change - it never happened before that in identical circumstances. I think the most likely cause is improperly balanced wheels (especially given the seeming excess of weights on the rear wheel since the change), but other ideas are good to hear. Chris p.s. The rear wheel now has about 15-20 new glue-on wheel weights on one side of the back wheel and one extra weight on the spine of the front wheel. That seems like a lot to me, but what do I know? From: "Jordan, Michael" My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - aerodynamics can be a factor. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:01:15 1999 From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: Flapping Bars/Head Bearings Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:07:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Chris - Check Zik Zaleebs (sp?) VTR page of the Sport-twin.com page. It hasn't been updated in a long while ( the VTR list erupted in flames last year,he got sick of it, dropped off the list and quit updating), but its a pretty comprehensive site. The VTR has cheap head bearings and some folks upgraded theirs to roller bearings I think. So it is a recognized semi weak link on the bike, but most people were't reporting problems when I was big into it. maybe some other on the list can chime in on this, but I always pictured the the steering head to be sort of a sensitive area, one where i wouldn't want to just snug down the bolt with out specific torque settings. I also think that loose head bearing/bolt would manifest itself when applying the brakes, with a sort of "chunk . ." feeling/sound as the fork,bearings and frame compacted themselves under the force. Without this settling sound/feeling I would rule out the simple stuff first before getting into the head. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? >Hmm... Maybe those wheelies the other day weren't such a great idea after >all. How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? Tighten >the big hex bolt at the steering head? I don't have a service manual yet, >or I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I have plans to go back >to Crossroads Cycle and have them take a look at it, but if simply >tightening a bolt fixes it, I won't bother. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR > > >From: Horkster >The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the >steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, >I would suppose) generally takes care of it. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:33:15 1999 From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:33:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Whoa! 15-20 stick-on weights on the rear wheel? This doesn't sound good. If these weights are 1/4 ounce each (7g for Collin) that means over 4 ounces (100g). The Honda manual says never add more than 60g of weight when balancing. Maybe the rear tire is out of round or when installed the balance mark wasn't placed at the valve stem. I would recommend having the rear tire balance rechecked. If it still requires that much weight, then the tire should be broken down, spun 180 degrees on the rim and rebalanced. My $.02 Bruce > p.s. The rear wheel now has about 15-20 new glue-on wheel weights on one > side of the back wheel and one extra weight on the spine of the front > wheel. That seems like a lot to me, but what do I know? From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:46:11 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M (Rich), BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: Sliding down the GW Parkway on bald tires while spray painting tr affic cameras and plugging lawyers with my 9 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:44:59 -0400 Jonathan wrote... >I have very little tact when I write and I realize that. I would not speak >to a stranger in the same way I write, I'm just not a talented enough writer >to put my conversational tone into paragraphs. Please take the written >attitude with a grain of salt. Thanks - ...Which I think is a great piece of writing. Honest, and to the point. I wish I was a better writer, so that I could explain some thing I've learned (or invite people to ride with me, or tell a story, or...) without sounding like I'm preaching or something. I'm still working on that. Can I use the above as my sig file? Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 14:51:08 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:50:48 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Interenet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 A "Tank Slapper" is a little bit more extreme than headshake. Headshake feels like a slight back and forth twisting or vibrating of the front forks. A full on Tank Slapper is exactly what it sounds like. For example, while riding in DC, I was accelerating moderately out of a right-hand turn, when the front wheel hit the edge of one of those big metal plates they have laid down all over the city. The plate was wet, and when the tire hit it, it slid a little bit and fell of the edge of the plate into a small rut along the edge. This caused the front fork to start to twist, which started the infamous Tank Slapper. The fork went from left lock (turned all the way to the left) to right lock (all the way to the right) 3 times in about 1-2 seconds. If you are riding a sportbike, it will literally cause our hands/forearms to slap against the tank. It's quite scary, however the best way to ride your way out of a tank slapper is to relax. The bike will right itself all by it's lonesome in a second or two. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brown To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:57 PM Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 > > From: "Jordan, Michael" > > To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > > > My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without the luggage - > > aerodynamics can be a factor. > > > Is that aerodynamics issues, or loading which affects the center of balance? > > Also, isn't this "flapping bars" effect what's also known as "A tank slapper?" > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 15:19:11 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:20:10 -0400 To: Lordorange@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: Loudoun Motorsports needs Cornerworkers for Track Day I think I found us a victim, I mean volunteer. At 01:36 PM 9/1/99 EDT, Lordorange@XXXXXX wrote: >Hello All, > >The subject line pretty much sums it up. They need cornerworkers for their >track day on Sept. 7th. They prefer MARRC trained/experienced cornerworkers, >but are willing to train. They're giving a $50 stipend, lunch and a t-shirt. > Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is 703-779-1652. > >thanx, >-matt > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:14:13 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Flapping Bars/Head Bearings To: Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I like the knowledge that flows through here... new road test technique when buying a used bike: ride with no hands.. if the bars shake, it might need new head bearings... if you fall, you baught the bike. heh heh course the guy you buy the bike from might be a little freaked out if you tell him "hey I rode with no hands, and your bars were shaking" He might tell you to get lost hehe. --- Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > Chris - > > Check Zik Zaleebs (sp?) VTR page of the Sport-twin.com page. It > hasn't been > updated in a long while ( the VTR list erupted in flames last > year,he got > sick of it, dropped off the list and quit updating), but its a > pretty > comprehensive site. The VTR has cheap head bearings and some folks > upgraded > theirs to roller bearings I think. So it is a recognized semi weak > link on > the bike, but most people were't reporting problems when I was big > into it. > maybe some other on the list can chime in on this, but I always > pictured the > the steering head to be sort of a sensitive area, one where i > wouldn't want > to just snug down the bolt with out specific torque settings. I > also think > that loose head bearing/bolt would manifest itself when applying > the brakes, > with a sort of "chunk . ." feeling/sound as the fork,bearings and > frame > compacted themselves under the force. Without this settling > sound/feeling I > would rule out the simple stuff first before getting into the head. > > Jonathan > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? > > > >Hmm... Maybe those wheelies the other day weren't such a great > idea after > >all. How would I go about tightening the steering head bearings? > Tighten > >the big hex bolt at the steering head? I don't have a service > manual yet, > >or I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I have plans to > go back > >to Crossroads Cycle and have them take a look at it, but if simply > >tightening a bolt fixes it, I won't bother. > > > >Chris Weaver > >'98 VTR > > > > > >From: Horkster > >The Concours list refers to this as headshake. Snugging up the > >steering head bearings (should be relatively easy for your bike, > >I would suppose) generally takes care of it. > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > >computer. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:24:23 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? To: "Burger, Donald" , "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX He also said they put "lots of new weights" on his wheels. Is that normal? I had my tires changed and they put 3 small weights on my front and none on my back (or maybe 1?) Maybe the wheels aren't balanced right? maybe the guy who did the work was being trained, or distracted, or something. My friend bought a 98 ninja 250 with 300 miles, when I test rode it, I thought i felt the bars shake, a second person confirmed it. then when he got it home, I rode it again and didn't feel it. When i first felt it, I thought it was the road, so i went into a parking lot and got the same results.. I think I'll ride it again and see if i notice it again. Any ideas? --- "Burger, Donald" wrote: > I vote for the back wheel being out of alignment. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:17 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Flapping Bars? > > > > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. > When I let > > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth > slowly at > > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my > sense of > > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is > no > > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel > the > > flapping > > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to > happen all the > > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > > > > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. > I wonder > > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of > the people > > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at > least > > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the > front and > > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or > back > > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back > wheel being > > out of alignment? > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > Chris Weaver > > '98 VTR 1000 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, or > > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by > persons or > > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you > > received > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any > > computer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:37:18 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:32:11 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? You might also want to check the tire itself for runout. Tread runout can be caused by a slight missalignment while mounting the tire, or be a defect of the tire itself. Bill christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being > out of alignment? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:43:53 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:43:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Loudoun Motorsports needs Cornerworkers for Track Day To: Lordorange@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow sounds fun.. is it dangerous? Just curious.. I won't be applying. --- Lordorange@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello All, > > The subject line pretty much sums it up. They need cornerworkers > for their > track day on Sept. 7th. They prefer MARRC trained/experienced > cornerworkers, > but are willing to train. They're giving a $50 stipend, lunch and > a t-shirt. > Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is > 703-779-1652. > > thanx, > -matt > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 16:55:58 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Woah cool.. I had a tank slapper and didn't even know it. happened so fast.. it corrected itself I guess. And I was wondering what a tank slapper was... Daniel 91 kawa ninja ex 250 --- "Kirt S." wrote: > A "Tank Slapper" is a little bit more extreme than headshake. > Headshake > feels like a slight back and forth twisting or vibrating of the > front forks. > A full on Tank Slapper is exactly what it sounds like. For > example, while > riding in DC, I was accelerating moderately out of a right-hand > turn, when > the front wheel hit the edge of one of those big metal plates they > have laid > down all over the city. The plate was wet, and when the tire hit > it, it > slid a little bit and fell of the edge of the plate into a small > rut along > the edge. This caused the front fork to start to twist, which > started the > infamous Tank Slapper. The fork went from left lock (turned all > the way to > the left) to right lock (all the way to the right) 3 times in about > 1-2 > seconds. If you are riding a sportbike, it will literally cause > our > hands/forearms to slap against the tank. It's quite scary, however > the best > way to ride your way out of a tank slapper is to relax. The bike > will right > itself all by it's lonesome in a second or two. > > Kirt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Brown > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:57 PM > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Jordan, Michael wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:57 -0700 > > > From: "Jordan, Michael" > > > To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? > > > > > > My GSX 1100 does it with the GiVi luggage on, but not without > the > luggage - > > > aerodynamics can be a factor. > > > > > > Is that aerodynamics issues, or loading which affects the center > of > balance? > > > > Also, isn't this "flapping bars" effect what's also known as "A > tank > slapper?" > > > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 17:03:19 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:04:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [non-mc] Job Vacancies Here's some job vacancies that may interest some of you -- see www.jil.com for more info. Senior Engineer, Herndon, VA ADP Systems Analyst, Crystal City, VA Installation Tech.- DIA Warehouse/Alex.VA Excess Equipment Technician -Bolling AFB Lan Systems Administrator (LSA)- Bolling AFB Maintenance Technician thanks, Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 17:40:37 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:42:51 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? I might be up for Monday, not before. Larry Meyer '97 Bandit 1200 > > --- On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:55:42 -0400 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > wrote: > > >Is anyone planning a group ride on Saturday or Sunday. My experience in > >organizing rides is nil, but I would give it a try if there is interest > but > >no organization. > > > >Mark > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from > any > >computer. > > > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 9/1/99 HSTA/AMA 1:56:28 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 18:28:16 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:26:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Daniel, I got a shed a couple of years ago for my old house. It was an 8x10 that I got from one of those Amish places that sell fully built sheds. I believe it was around $1200. It was a very high quality wood shed, bought at the corner of 29 and 198 in Burtonsville, MD. 8x10 can fit 2 bikes comfortably depending on the door location. Mine had a 4 ft wide door toward one side of the 10' wall. It really only let 1 bike in/out. My race bike had to be muscled into the other side of the shed to fit. If you want to work on the bike while in the shed I'd recommend at least a 10x10 (unless the door is on the 8' side. A sport bike is about 7-8 ft. from tire edge to tire edge (OK, maybe a little less for a 250, but still not much room to move around the bike). I almost always did my work in the driveway for that reason. It sure is nice to have both a 2-car garage and a 12x12 shed now :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 19:16:42 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:11:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Be careful with that 2-car garage and shed. Junk accumulates to fill the space available. I have a 2-car garage, 2-car mostly enclosed carport, and have room to park/work on two bikes. The cages sit outside. Bill Jay St. Peter wrote: > Daniel, > > I got a shed a couple of years ago for my old house. It was an 8x10 that I > got from one of those Amish places that sell fully built sheds. I believe > it was around $1200. It was a very high quality wood shed, bought at the > corner of 29 and 198 in Burtonsville, MD. > 8x10 can fit 2 bikes comfortably depending on the door location. Mine had a > 4 ft wide door toward one side of the 10' wall. It really only let 1 bike > in/out. My race bike had to be muscled into the other side of the shed to > fit. > If you want to work on the bike while in the shed I'd recommend at least a > 10x10 (unless the door is on the 8' side. A sport bike is about 7-8 ft. > from tire edge to tire edge (OK, maybe a little less for a 250, but still > not much room to move around the bike). I almost always did my work in the > driveway for that reason. > It sure is nice to have both a 2-car garage and a 12x12 shed now :) > > Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 19:19:39 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tour update http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 21:05:31 1999 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:14:07 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: dc-cycles Subject: re: Flapping Bars? From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let > go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at > first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of > self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no > problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping > force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the > time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder > if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people > who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least > attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and > back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back > wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being > out of alignment? > Any feedback would be appreciated. Maybe it was those wheelies you talked about doing earlier. How hard did your front wheel land anyway? My '95 VFR (8K miles) exhibits some wobbliness at speeds over 50 or so, but since I have never wheelied it, I can only surmise that it has to do with the road surface. JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 21:54:54 1999 From: TByrdCafey@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:54:16 EDT Subject: BMW R11RTL for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 1996 R11RTL (with radio) for sale. Glacier Green, full luggage set with top-box, Bob's Wrist Rest, Corbin saddle, optional lower footrests, BMW Multivario tankbag. Extras. 7,500 miles, professionally maintained. Perfect condition. $12,500. respond private email to TByrdCafey@XXXXXX Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 1 22:00:25 1999 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 99 21:34:06 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles --- On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:14:07 -0700 "John C. Kozyn" wrote: >From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > >> I noticed a problem in the last couple of nights with my bike. When I let >> go of the bars, in some cases they start flapping back and forth slowly at >> first and then faster until my sense of curiosity dies and my sense of >> self-preservation kicks in. Controlling the bars at this point is no >> problem, so they're not flapping with much force. I don't feel the flapping >> force while I'm gripping the bars. Also, it doesn't seem to happen all the >> time and the smoothness of the road doesn't seem to be a factor. > >> As some of you may recall, I just got new tires put on the bike. I wonder >> if this new problem is due to improper balancing on the part of the people >> who put them on? (Crossroads Cycle) I know that balancing was at least >> attempted, because there are a lot of new wheel weights on the front and >> back. Perhaps it's just a quirk of the new tires? Is the front or back >> wheel out of balance, or could the flapping be due to the back wheel being >> out of alignment? > >> Any feedback would be appreciated. > >Maybe it was those wheelies you talked about doing earlier. How hard did >your front wheel land anyway? My '95 VFR (8K miles) exhibits some >wobbliness at speeds over 50 or so, but since I have never wheelied it, >I can only surmise that it has to do with the road surface. > >JK > Which tires did you use? I had pretty serious headshake with my 91 vfr as my 207's wore down, might be a function of the tire profile and pressure. Just a thought. And Friday I slab it down to Atlanta, for a weekend of family followed by monday doing deal's gap and the cherohola, then coming north monday afternoon or tuesday morning on the Blue Ridge. Should be back Wednesday, roughly 2000 miles later. Have a nice weekend. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/1/99 HSTA/AMA 9:34:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 00:38:03 1999 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:37:26 EDT Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? - Oh Yeah! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, after 70ish, hellish hours in the restaraunt this week, I have off Saturday morning and Sunday morning. I think I will definetly be riding one, if not both of these mornings. I like to lead fairly brisk paced riders. Probably not WSDYMFG, but pretty quick. Any takers? If my old man's up for it, we could probably put together a fairly decent route. (Hopefully I'll have my new Givi stuff on there by then too....heh. One Maxia for now.) -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 00:50:59 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:47:12 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding gear.. On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: >Seems like a no-brainer, Brain....if you're willing to >spend +/- $500. Vanson Avenger with perforated front >panels, or (because you're moving to hot weather) the >entire jacket perforated (I'm not certain that it >doesn't have a different name when it's constructed >like this). FYI y'all,Wash HD/Clinton Cycles had some of those perforated jackets on sale on the Harley side. <$150 or there-abouts. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 00:54:06 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:50:24 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy - Red light camara tale -Reply On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:29 -0400 Horkster wrote: >A while ago, Tracy told me about how her company, Lockheed Martin, >offered to provide the required technology & equipment to local jurisdictions in the area FOR FREE (!!!!) to send out these kind of >bills to speeders/red light runners. Only catch was Lockheed wanted >a cut of the profits. No joke. I actually think some groups seriously >considered it for a while. The prospects of that kind of collarboration >are bone-chilling.... Correct me if I'm wrong,but hasn't Geico given free radar guns to LE's in the past? Yet another reason I'll never be insured by them. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 01:00:55 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:57:12 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flapping Bars? On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:48:42 -0400 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: The problem >also has only occurred since the tire change - it never happened before >that in identical circumstances. I think the most likely cause is >improperly balanced wheels (especially given the seeming excess of weights >on the rear wheel since the change), but other ideas are good to hear. I'd also vote for tire imbalance. I had the same prob with my old VFR. I wound up pulling the weight off the front wheel after checking the balance with the axel on a pair of wheel stands. Shake went away. I think the best evidence is that it didn't start until after the tire change. Unless you pulled a wheelie while leaving the dealership. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 06:28:05 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:26:51 EDT Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/1/99 9:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << Maybe it was those wheelies you talked about doing earlier. How hard did your front wheel land anyway? My '95 VFR (8K miles) exhibits some wobbliness at speeds over 50 or so, but since I have never wheelied it, I can only surmise that it has to do with the road surface. >> That wobbliness with no hands on the bars, you folks have been talking about is almost always caused by excessive wheel runout or even minor tire cupping which effectively results in runout. If it is new tire, and it didn't wobble (with hands off the bars) before changing the tire, I would check the tire for manufacturing defects. Even loose steering stem bearings will not cause a wobble if everything is straight up front. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 08:29:00 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:28:35 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Accept-Language: en To: david griff , dc-cycles , mzfawaz@XXXXXX Subject: Track Day On Tuesday Lisa a few friends and I will be there, we will be over by the air hose across from the Gas bumps (I love the buzz you get when the wind is just right :-). We don't have no fancy canopy or team signs but we will have a big blue Jeep with the tag Bike Puller and some hair umbrella boy's. I will have some tools and a grill so if there is anything we can do just ask, both our bikes will be close to street legal so if someone goes down and needs a trailer home we could work something out. If you are riding out we will have some room if you want to drop something off send me a note. We will be on a VFR and a T-595, if you see us introduce yourselves. Jay and Lisa TEAM "Whatever My Wife Wants" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 08:48:28 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:47:52 EDT Subject: Loudoun Motorsports..oops, I gave the wrong number To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX << Please call them if you'd like to do this. Their number is > 703-779-1652.> >> my mistake...the correct number is 703-777-1652 -matt From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:08:57 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: , Subject: RE: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:07:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Bill, I'm sure my wife will see to it that there is room to park at least 1 cage in the garage :) Jay > > > Be careful with that 2-car garage and shed. Junk accumulates to > fill the space > available. I have a 2-car garage, 2-car mostly enclosed carport, > and have room > to park/work on two bikes. The cages sit outside. > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:28:10 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:24:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Flapping Bars? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Fred et al, The tires were a set of Collin's race take-offs. If what you're saying is true, that might explain the wobbling. I did some more riding last night and found that (1) it didn't matter if I was in neutral or not - it wiggled either way, (2) there were only 10 weights on the back (7 on one side and 3 on the other), not 15-20 as I said earlier - I must have been smoking something, and (3) the bars don't shake any worse after a certain point - they shake more and more until a certain point, then slow down or stay the same. In any case, it's a moot point. I'm getting new tires put on Saturday morning. The tires I have on there now were only meant as a temporary solution until I found the tires I want anyway. I'll be getting the new tires put on by a mechanic that I trust this time, too. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: Boiade@XXXXXX That wobbliness with no hands on the bars, you folks have been talking about is almost always caused by excessive wheel runout or even minor tire cupping which effectively results in runout. If it is new tire, and it didn't wobble (with hands off the bars) before changing the tire, I would check the tire for manufacturing defects. Even loose steering stem bearings will not cause a wobble if everything is straight up front. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:28:41 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: synth oil use in H-D To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Of course H-D doesn't recommend using anything like that....My guess is that it is like any other manufacturer and that they recommend one specific oil so there is less likelihood of a lawsuit from some bonehead that used another brand and then did something totally unrelated to grenade a motor, etc. etc. Honda recommends using Honda brand (or at least the used to.. not sure what the newest manuals say). yamaha recommended using Yamalube (which from what mechanics tells me is pretty good stuff). Coincidentally, I notice H-D makes there very own oil brand...hmmmm..non-synthetic but expensive as hell... Synth won't hurt an H-D at all. Although, like with any bike, if you had aan oil weep with dyno oil, it could increase with a switch to synthetic. Buddy at my old office (here in DC) ran Mobil 1 in his H-D and loved it.... If I had the cash for it, I'd run Silkolene or Red Line in my race bike. Both are proven to increase horsepower by a tad bit.... but you pay for it at the checkout stand :) (and we all know I'm a cheap sob ;-)) Collin --original message-- Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:05:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson Subject: Re: Oil Change Intervals- Re: my particular engine - there has been mucho disscusion on use of synthetic oils among us H-D dudes. It is not reccommended for crankase use by OEM. === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:49:12 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:49:00 -0400 I sent this note in to the Slug Web Page, hoping they will post it to the bulletin board. This incident pissed me off as it was someone I ride with and care very much for. > -----Original Message----- > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:27 AM > To: 'slugman@XXXXXX' > Subject: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a motorcyclist was > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was driving a > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV lanes on to > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was in the right > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right lane to exit > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for writing is that > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind all drivers, > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > Cathy Love > Pentagon/610 Slugger From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:53:27 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:47:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Mine gave up the quest few years ago when I had eight outboard race boats under construction at the same time. And she had high hopes when I filled a 30 cu yard rolloff with junk, but alas - not quite enough room for a cage. Someday .... Bill Jay St. Peter wrote: > Bill, > > I'm sure my wife will see to it that there is room to park at least 1 cage > in the garage :) > > Jay > > > > > > Be careful with that 2-car garage and shed. Junk accumulates to > > fill the space > > available. I have a 2-car garage, 2-car mostly enclosed carport, > > and have room > > to park/work on two bikes. The cages sit outside. > > > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 09:57:55 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: flapping bars & tank slappers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX lol.. or if you're riding a newer GSXR with race comps on it, then tank slappers become a routine occurance, and you can use them to place fear into competitors causing them to give you plenty of room to get away !! lol >From Steve Harris, I hear this also works well on a TL1kR! Once I get back home, I'll see if I can't scan a short avi of the small tank slapper I got in practice last Saturday at summit point.. had the camera mounted in the tail pointing backwards... too bad I didn't get it turned on properly for the race :( Re: Chris' problem, I already emailed him and kirk r direct, but to pass along some info from my experience; I had my first set of Avon's mounted by Crossroads and when I got it back had the same symptoms. took it back, they changed some weights, same problem... did a quick and dirty check on a race stand and found that they added all the weights right on the heavy spot amplifying the out of balnceness of the tire... I've always heard good things about Xroads, but that was my only experience with them...YMMV Collin Kirt wrote: If you are riding a sportbike, it will literally cause our hands/forearms to slap against the tank. It's quite scary, however the best way to ride your way out of a tank slapper is to relax. The bike will right itself all by it's lonesome in a second or two. Kirt === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:00:59 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: ninja 250 shakies was flapping bars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Daniel, Ninja 250's (and 500's) are known for having crappy steering head bearings... very cheap and easy to swap em to tapered roler bearings. (the 250's also have super soft vlaves too.. which flatten out and leak badly with age/hard use) Collin Daniel wrote: My friend bought a 98 ninja 250 with 300 miles, when I test rode it, I thought i felt the bars shake, a second person confirmed it. then when he got it home, I rode it again and didn't feel it. When i first felt it, I thought it was the road, so i went into a parking lot and got the same results.. I think I'll ride it again and see if i notice it again. Any ideas? === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:07:17 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Deals gap hoax was lookout on gw parkway To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm pretty sure that one turned out to be a hoax. Been a bit over a year and my brain grows foggy after about two days, but that's what I seem to recall the verdict being after that story popped up on all sorts of mailing lists and someone from that area talked with the local DA's and checked records.... CT Daniel wrote: Did you ever read that story about the deals gap motorcyclist who got railroaded, by the police and the DA ? perfect example. === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:24:55 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:24:47 -0400 This happened yesterday on his way home from work. He is fine... just scraped his hands and knees and was able to lay the bike down on his own without much damage. NO ONE STOPPED. Another biker came along just after it happened and he stopped, but none of the cars stopped. He was able to get back up and continue riding home. He's a little sore today, but no real damage done. He is a very experienced rider (about 30 years riding) and has been in a lot of accidents prior to this, so it was practically nothing to him.... but I was just FURIOUS that the bitch didn't even stop and no one else did either. I slug to work when I'm not riding my bike and I was so offended that no one did a thing. I can't imagine the hysteria I would have experienced had it been me in the back seat of that car. Cathy -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:10 AM To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Cathy, did this happen just recently? I seem to recall a very similar story occurring a couple of weeks ago. Are you saying that nobody stopped? Not even other drivers? WTF! I'm very sorry to hear about this, and hope your friend recovers soon and well. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR [mailto:Cathy.Love@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:49 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FW: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > I sent this note in to the Slug Web Page, hoping they will post it to the > bulletin board. This incident pissed me off as it was someone I ride with > and care very much for. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:27 AM > > To: 'slugman@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a > motorcyclist was > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was > driving a > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV > lanes on to > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was > in the right > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right > lane to exit > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for > writing is that > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind > all drivers, > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > Cathy Love > > Pentagon/610 Slugger > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:31:01 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:30:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Accept-Language: en To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a motorcyclist was > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was driving a > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV lanes on to > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was in the right > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right lane to exit > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for writing is that > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind all drivers, > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. Actually, a friend is an ex Loudon deputy. it is your legal requirement to report any crime in the commonwealth. it's called the 'Hue & Cry' law, from colonial times, but still on the books. a misdemeanor, but he did arrest someone for it & got a conviction... Hope they find the scum that did this & prosecute fully. > > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > Cathy Love > > Pentagon/610 Slugger -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:35:32 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: , Subject: RE: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:33:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Well, now that you mention it, my wife parked her car in the garage for the first 3 days we owned the new house. Since then, I've been setting up my shop area, putting up cabinets etc. and the garage has been too trashed for her to park there. Of course my intention is to clean out one side for her to park ..... BTW, does anyone have a spare dresser they want to get rid of. It will go in my garage to store stuff (moto content - like motorcycle parts, zip-ties, and duct tape), so the only requirement is that it be sturdy and cheap. So, Bill, you must've raced boats like Brian McCoy races motorcycles if you need 8 boats to make it through the season Jay St. Peter > > Mine gave up the quest few years ago when I had eight outboard race boats > under construction at the same time. And she had high hopes when > I filled a 30 > cu yard rolloff with junk, but alas - not quite enough room for a cage. > Someday .... > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:45:40 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: "'Dave Yates'" , "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:45:32 -0400 yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend didn't even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be done about it. Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will come forward, but I doubt it. SCUMBAGS -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:30 AM To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a motorcyclist was > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was driving a > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV lanes on to > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was in the right > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right lane to exit > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just short of the > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the motorcycle was > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for writing is that > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman in the > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was hit, so > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind all drivers, > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to intervene or at > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due to the > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. Actually, a friend is an ex Loudon deputy. it is your legal requirement to report any crime in the commonwealth. it's called the 'Hue & Cry' law, from colonial times, but still on the books. a misdemeanor, but he did arrest someone for it & got a conviction... Hope they find the scum that did this & prosecute fully. > > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > Cathy Love > > Pentagon/610 Slugger -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:48:48 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: racing.. Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:48:14 -0700 Hey now.. it's been 2 times.. and all cosmetic (except the foot-peg).. sheesh. And to think that I spent all that time mounting, prepping and painting the bodywork, as well as rebuilding the forks and Fox shock... I feel like Rodney Dangerfield here.. LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay St. Peter [mailto:jay.stpeter@XXXXXX] > > So, Bill, you must've raced boats like Brian McCoy races > motorcycles if you > need 8 boats to make it through the season it wasn't my > bike Brian was crashing> From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 10:58:02 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:50:31 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: XS750 Triples, anyone? Howdy! My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? Good/bad, anything to look out for? I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. Any info appreciated. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 11:07:55 1999 From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:07:46 -0400 I agree and I tried to reason with him last night about reporting it, but he is adamant that it's not necessary and pointless. I'll continue to NAG him about it and use your reasoning to help get my point across. Thanks for all your support. Cathy -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:56 AM To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend didn't > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be done > about it. I respectfully disagree with this. What if he had been seriously hurt? People like this are a danger to society in general & must be punished or we'll have road chaos. Please, report it yourself if you have to. Hit & run in Va. is a serious felony offense, with jail time as a likely outcome. since there were others in the car, she had to know. Please, for the other drivers & riders out there, report this to the police immediately. Maybe there's nothing that can be done, but what if they do manage to find the offender, ? the roads will be that much safer. > Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will > come forward, but I doubt it. > SCUMBAGS > > Thanks, > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 11:16:52 1999 From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" , Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:20:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 My god, what a%&holes! I'm so glad he's alright. My thoughts are with him. As usual, I have to think...what's happened with the world?...to not even stop to see if he was ok...unthinkable (well, for me, obviously not everyone)... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ----- Original Message ----- From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:24 AM Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > This happened yesterday on his way home from work. He is fine... just > scraped his hands and knees and was able to lay the bike down on his own > without much damage. NO ONE STOPPED. Another biker came along just after > it happened and he stopped, but none of the cars stopped. He was able to > get back up and continue riding home. He's a little sore today, but no real > damage done. He is a very experienced rider (about 30 years riding) and has > been in a lot of accidents prior to this, so it was practically nothing to > him.... but I was just FURIOUS that the bitch didn't even stop and no one > else did either. I slug to work when I'm not riding my bike and I was so > offended that no one did a thing. I can't imagine the hysteria I would have > experienced had it been me in the back seat of that car. > Cathy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 11:37:16 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Horkster cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: XS750 Triples, anyone? Cool. My first bike was a XS750 Triple. I really loved that bike, and only gave it up because I don't have the resources to dedicate that a bike that old takes. Specific mechanical issues I know of: 1) Second gear in these bikes is quite fragile. Make sure it's there. There is a Y-triples page that has more info, or at least it did when I was it's webmaster... 2) Fuel petcocks are vacuum actuated, and may develop leaks. Depending on the leak, you'll either find gas leaking outside, (into your helmet, if you use the helmet lock) or worse, it can leak down into the carbs. This causes them to overflow into the crankcase, which causes your oil level to mysteriously rise overnight, and of course reduces the protective quality of your crankcase oil to approximately that of dishwater. 3) It's a shaftie, make sure the owner has paid any attention to the front and rear shaft lube. The bike should come with a special tool for measuring these levels. 4) The fuse block fuse clips tend to get brittle, then crack, then lose their grip on the fuses. This results in high resistance connections at the fuses, and can eventually lead to a melted fuse block. After a run, pop of the seat and make sure the fuse block is cool and shows no sign of melting. 5) It's an aluminum head. If someone has tightened spark plugs while the head was hot, then the odds are that you'll find helicoil in there. 6) Any 20+ year old bike is likely to have cracking rubber. Of special note are the rubber sleeves that convey the mix from the carbs to the intake manifold. if these are cracked, then performance will suffer. The side covers are held on with rubber studs that may also fail with age. 7) The forks don't have protection. Inspect the forks for dings, which would mean the fork seals' days are numbered. The bike is on the tall side (good for me), and handled nicely. Good Luck! -ph On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Horkster wrote: > Howdy! > > My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, > has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, > but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, > I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? > Good/bad, anything to look out for? > > I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically > (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos > with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. > > Any info appreciated. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > --- Peter Hartzler Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:06:50 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:00:36 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: XS750 Triples, anyone? I have owned two of them. Great bike and fun to man handle around, but neither was a chopper. The only problem I ever had with ether one of them is that sooner or latter you will start to loose second gear. Had the same problem with both of them. Now granted, I didn't treat them with kit gloves and both where ridden very hard all the time. But all in all loved them both. Besides, if worst comes to worst its cheaper finding one that has been use to test the theory that two solid object cant occupy the same space at the same time and grab the motor out of it. Got my second one from a wrecker for $400 and used the forks from my first to get the second on the road. I would say if he likes the bike to go for it. Hope it helps. Nelson P.S. Here is the URL for the Triples web site and web ring (every thing you could ever want to know about the triples): http://w3.one.net/~ryanr/triplesite/main.html Horkster wrote: > Howdy! > > My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, > has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, > but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, > I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? > Good/bad, anything to look out for? > > I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically > (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos > with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. > > Any info appreciated. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:17:29 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:11:18 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN For all you know someone may have seen it and turned in the tag # but without a victim there is no crime. Please keep on him to report it and hopefully we can get this POS off the road. Hope he is feeling better. Nelson "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > I agree and I tried to reason with him last night about reporting it, but he > is adamant that it's not necessary and pointless. I'll continue to NAG him > about it and use your reasoning to help get my point across. > Thanks for all your support. > Cathy > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:56 AM > To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend didn't > > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be done > > about it. > > I respectfully disagree with this. What if he had been seriously hurt? > People > like this are a danger to society in general & must be punished or we'll > have > road chaos. Please, report it yourself if you have to. Hit & run in Va. > is a > serious felony offense, with jail time as a likely outcome. since there > were > others in the car, she had to know. Please, for the other drivers & riders > out > there, report this to the police immediately. Maybe there's nothing that > can be > done, but what if they do manage to find the offender, ? the roads will be > that > much safer. > > > Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will > > come forward, but I doubt it. > > SCUMBAGS > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > Systems Analyst > > Soza & Company, Ltd. > > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > > ATG Group Webmaster > > (301) 496-3760 > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:37:17 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:31:39 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: XS750 Triples, anyone? To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I even have a photo of mine old XS 750 (though no my first bike) http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=45730&a=325645&p=11036334&Sequence=1 > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:51 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: XS750 Triples, anyone? > > > Howdy! > > My little brother, who now rides and owns my old 76 KZ400, > has a line on a late '70s Yamahopper XS750 Triple. It runs, > but sounds like it needs the carbs pulled and cleaned. Anyway, > I was wondering if anybody had any experience with these bikes? > Good/bad, anything to look out for? > > I found one XS web site, it doesn't talk about much mechanically > (maybe a good sign?) My only experience with Yamahas are Viragos > with crappy starters. I hope these triples are better. > > Any info appreciated. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:42:01 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Deals gap hoax was lookout on gw parkway To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well I read the story on an active link on the dealsgap web page last week, and it was written in the first person, and asked that the page be emailed to various gov't representatives. I don't think it was actually on deals gap, but a place near by. Let me find the url... http://www.dealsgap.com then click news and the second link or directly at: http://www.dealsgap.com/dgincident/index.html is this the same incident to which you are refering? It looks pretty real, he has a scanned image of the ticket, and the other guys in the photo appear to be holding up tickets. --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > I'm pretty sure that one turned out to be a hoax. Been a bit over > a > year and my brain grows foggy after about two days, but that's what > I > seem to recall the verdict being after that story popped up on all > sorts of mailing lists and someone from that area talked with the > local > DA's and checked records.... > > CT > > > Daniel wrote: > > Did you ever read that story about the deals gap motorcyclist > who got railroaded, by the police and the DA ? perfect example. > > > > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 12:57:19 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" , "'Dave Yates'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What is this slug thing? carpooling? then there's a chance one of the car poolers don't like the driver and reported it.. or maybe the driver reported it but the police just dont' know who went down? Maybe the driver didn't know he/she was the cause of the accident, and just thoght the guy went down on his own. You might actually get some kind of closure.. maybe the driver did report it.. maybe the driver didn't know she was the cause and someone in the vehicle had to be somewhere really important? Or maybe the police need the motorcyclists side of the story before they charge the woman.. The woman's version may be "I saw a motorcyclist go down right behind me, was he okay?" (her radio could have been up and not heard the thump of the wheel hitting, if there was a thump) Sorry I'm not trying to flame or offend anyone, or be a wise ass, I'm just maybe trying to find some explanation.. anyway have your friend report it, or you go report it.. after all it's a crime to fail to report a crime right? personally, I'd like to hear of some kind of outcome with this case as well.. I always feel bad hearing about a hit and run accident, especially on a fellow motorcyclist. Daniel 91 ninja 250 --- "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My friend > didn't > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that could be > done > about it. Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, > someone will > come forward, but I doubt it. > SCUMBAGS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:30 AM > To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 1, at approximately 5:00 p.m., a > motorcyclist > was > > > hit by a woman in the HOV lanes with slugs in the car. She was > driving > a > > > silver or gray Toyota. The traffic was merging out of the HOV > lanes on > to > > > I-95 at the end of the southbound lane. The motorcyclist was > in the > right > > > lane and the driver of the Toyota was merging into the right > lane to > exit > > > the HOV. She clipped his front wheel and he went down just > short of the > > > guard rail. Thank God, the damage to the driver and the > motorcycle was > > > minimal, just a few scrapes and abrasions. My reason for > writing is > that > > > NO ONE stopped to assist this man when he went down. The woman > in the > > > back seat of the Toyota was looking directly at him when he was > hit, so > > > obviously there were witnesses to this CRIME. Please remind > all > drivers, > > > sluggers, and commuters that it is our responsibility to > intervene or at > > > least REPORT a crime being committed or someone is injured due > to the > > > negligence of a driver in too much of a hurry to get home. > > Actually, a friend is an ex Loudon deputy. it is your legal > requirement to > report any crime in the commonwealth. it's called the 'Hue & Cry' > law, from > colonial times, but still on the books. a misdemeanor, but he did > arrest > someone for it & got a conviction... > Hope they find the scum that did this & prosecute fully. > > > > > > > > > PLEASE BE AWARE OF MOTORCYCLISTS USING THE HOV LANES > > > > > > Cathy Love > > > Pentagon/610 Slugger > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 13:21:21 1999 X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:22:41 -0400 To: dc-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: weekend ride??? So what's the consensus... or is there one? I'll vote for early Sunday, but any day is fine with me if I know by Friday. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 13:56:50 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:59:13 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: weekend ride??? I'd like to go. Any day is also fine with me. Randy Moran Grant Heffernan wrote: > So what's the consensus... or is there one? I'll vote for early Sunday, > but any day is fine with me if I know by Friday. > > ********************************* > Grant M. Heffernan > Field Systems Engineer > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > Reston, VA 20191 > ph: (703) 715-8721 > fax: (703) 715-8750 > http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 13:57:15 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:52:05 -0400 Subject: Weekend ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Ok, I will organize a weekend ride if we can all agree on the time/place. I am only able to ride on Saturday. I was thinking a 9AM departure from Manassas (earlier from Arlington where I am) and either the long or shorter route proposed to me by Greg Sachs. Either one will take us into the mountains west of town. I have not yet had the chance to go over either of the routes in detail, but will do so later today. This is my first ride, so any advice would be appreciated. I can lead for a while, but of course I am willing to have others do the same. The pace will be whatever makes you comfortable, and we will wait for those slower. I expect initially to have a faster than average pace, but nothing too intense. Please email me if you are going to make it...then I will organize the details. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 14:04:26 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: To report or not to report, was Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN To: Nelson Fernandez , "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree. Someone said it's the law that you have to report a crime if you know about it.. put yourself in Cathy's shoes, and it was your friend.. would you report it, if you were her? There's like a certain delima, where on one hand it's the right thing to do on the other hand it's against your friends wishes and thus may cross a boundry in the friendship.. --- Nelson Fernandez wrote: > For all you know someone may have seen it and turned in the tag # > but without a > victim there is no crime. Please keep on him to report it and > hopefully we can > get this POS off the road. Hope he is feeling better. > Nelson > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > I agree and I tried to reason with him last night about reporting > it, but he > > is adamant that it's not necessary and pointless. I'll continue > to NAG him > > about it and use your reasoning to help get my point across. > > Thanks for all your support. > > Cathy > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:56 AM > > To: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR > > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN > > > > "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" wrote: > > > > > yea, but it seems a bit pointless to try to pursue it. My > friend didn't > > > even report it because he felt that there was nothing that > could be done > > > about it. > > > > I respectfully disagree with this. What if he had been seriously > hurt? > > People > > like this are a danger to society in general & must be punished > or we'll > > have > > road chaos. Please, report it yourself if you have to. Hit & > run in Va. > > is a > > serious felony offense, with jail time as a likely outcome. > since there > > were > > others in the car, she had to know. Please, for the other > drivers & riders > > out > > there, report this to the police immediately. Maybe there's > nothing that > > can be > > done, but what if they do manage to find the offender, ? the > roads will be > > that > > much safer. > > > > > Maybe if they post that note to the slug web site, someone will > > > come forward, but I doubt it. > > > SCUMBAGS > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > -- > > > Dave Yates > > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > > > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > > Systems Analyst > > > Soza & Company, Ltd. > > > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > > > ATG Group Webmaster > > > (301) 496-3760 > > > > -- > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > Systems Analyst > > Soza & Company, Ltd. > > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > > ATG Group Webmaster > > (301) 496-3760 > > -- > Nelson Fernandez > Network Administrator > Production Technology, Inc. > 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 > Arlington, VA 22202 > Phone 703.271.9055 > Fax 703.271.9059 > www. http://www.pti.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 14:06:43 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:03:51 -0400 Subject: Weekend ride II To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL After looking at a map, I was thinking about a fairly long ride to one of the best roads in the east coast...33 into West Virginia. My initial thought would be to go 211 to 33. Once in WVa, we could take a loop into Winchester, or just ride the same twisty road back. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 14:20:59 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride I'm in. ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Ok, I will organize a weekend ride if we can all agree on the time/place. > > I am only able to ride on Saturday. I was thinking a 9AM departure from > Manassas (earlier from Arlington where I am) and either the long or shorter > route proposed to me by Greg Sachs. Either one will take us into the > mountains west of town. I have not yet had the chance to go over either of > the routes in detail, but will do so later today. > > This is my first ride, so any advice would be appreciated. I can lead for > a while, but of course I am willing to have others do the same. The pace > will be whatever makes you comfortable, and we will wait for those slower. > I expect initially to have a faster than average pace, but nothing too > intense. > > Please email me if you are going to make it...then I will organize the > details. > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 14:54:18 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:30:14 -0400 Subject: Concours riders? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Would the person who organized the ride to Senneca Rocks a while back (rides a Concours?) please email me. Thanks Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 15:38:54 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: speed traps on Herndon Pkwy Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:37:51 -0400 My lovely wife just called me here at work to inform me that the Herndon Parkway is crawlin' with the Fuzz. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA "We wanna be free to ride our machines without being hassled by the man..." - Peter Fonda in 'The Wild Angels' (1966) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 16:02:07 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:01:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: FRIDAY RIDE Friend fell through...still open for longish ride tomorrow. We were planning on hitting Skyline if anyone is interested..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 16:14:22 1999 From: Genna Melamed To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Weekend ride II Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:11:27 -0400 I'd like to join this too. Any day, time is fine. Genna VTR1000 -----Original Message----- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:07 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend ride II After looking at a map, I was thinking about a fairly long ride to one of the best roads in the east coast...33 into West Virginia. My initial thought would be to go 211 to 33. Once in WVa, we could take a loop into Winchester, or just ride the same twisty road back. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 16:41:17 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:36:11 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: itm_2k@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying a 'storage building" (shed) Heh heh - Nope, most of the boats were for other racers. Like the shoemaker with no shoes, mine never got painted and ran with an X for a number. I didn't mind `cause it was fast as stink. Only crashed once - a aerial blowover with enough altitude to get a 9.6 score from the pit groupies. Bill > So, Bill, you must've raced boats like Brian McCoy races motorcycles if you > need 8 boats to make it through the season bike Brian was crashing> > > Jay St. Peter > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 16:47:55 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:47:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: FRIDAY RIDE At 04:01 PM 9/2/99 , Troutman wrote: Trevor is back in for tomorrow's medium paced ride if anyone is interested. Meeting in Centreville, headed down 29 to 55 to Skyline, then scatter. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 17:22:14 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FRIDAY RIDE I'm in... what's the plan? ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Troutman wrote: > Friend fell through...still open for longish ride tomorrow. We were > planning on hitting Skyline if anyone is interested..... > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 17:24:23 1999 From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: 95 VFR decals for sale Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:20:49 -0400 Last year I ordered a complete set of OEM decals for my 1995 Honda VFR when I had it painted. What I didn't realize is that all the decals have red trim on them, and if I put them on my yellow VFR it would look like I am riding the Ronald McDonald motorcycle. So, I am selling the whole set for $75. (Normally the set would cost about $150) Please e-mail me if you are interested. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 17:36:40 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: "Westbrook, Richard" , Subject: Re: 95 VFR decals for sale Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:35:56 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 LOL.... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Westbrook, Richard To: 'DC-Cycles' Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 5:20 PM Subject: 95 VFR decals for sale > Last year I ordered a complete set of OEM decals for my 1995 Honda VFR when > I had it painted. What I didn't realize is that all the decals have red trim > on them, and if I put them on my yellow VFR it would look like I am riding > the Ronald McDonald motorcycle. > > So, I am selling the whole set for $75. (Normally the set would cost about > $150) > > Please e-mail me if you are interested. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 18:11:43 1999 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:10:54 EDT Subject: Re: To report or not to report, was Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX << There's like a certain dilemma, where on one hand it's the right thing to do on the other hand it's against your friends wishes and thus may cross a boundary in the friendship.. >> Humm, lets see; a "friend" who commits a crime, and expects you to compromise your values and your ethics, at the expense of a victim, who was innocent, and in the right, and who may have been injured. What dilemma? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 18:26:42 1999 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:26:02 EDT Subject: Re: Weekend Ride? - Oh Yeah! To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anyone up to a ride to Gorham? Leave Friday - back Sunday Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 19:24:54 1999 From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , Subject: Re: Weekend ride Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:19:32 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Saturday sounds good to me. Be sure to post the details. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:52 PM Subject: Weekend ride > Ok, I will organize a weekend ride if we can all agree on the time/place. > > I am only able to ride on Saturday. I was thinking a 9AM departure from > Manassas (earlier from Arlington where I am) and either the long or shorter > route proposed to me by Greg Sachs. Either one will take us into the > mountains west of town. I have not yet had the chance to go over either of > the routes in detail, but will do so later today. > > This is my first ride, so any advice would be appreciated. I can lead for > a while, but of course I am willing to have others do the same. The pace > will be whatever makes you comfortable, and we will wait for those slower. > I expect initially to have a faster than average pace, but nothing too > intense. > > Please email me if you are going to make it...then I will organize the > details. > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 19:30:22 1999 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: To report or not to report, was Re: Motorcycle Driver HIT ANDRUN Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:30:16 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 What are you talking about? The friend was the victim. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (61K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Gawthrop@XXXXXX said: << There's like a certain dilemma, where on one hand it's the right thing to do on the other hand it's against your friends wishes and thus may cross a boundary in the friendship.. >> Humm, lets see; a "friend" who commits a crime, and expects you to compromise your values and your ethics, at the expense of a victim, who was innocent, and in the right, and who may have been injured. What dilemma? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 19:33:51 1999 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:42:20 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: Greg Sachs CC: dc-cycles Subject: re: Flapping Bars? Greg wrote: > Which tires did you use? I had pretty serious headshake with my 91 vfr > as my 207's wore down, might be a function of the tire profile and > pressure. Just a thought. And Friday I slab it down to Atlanta, for a > weekend of family followed by monday doing deal's gap and the cherohola, > then coming north monday afternoon or tuesday morning on the Blue Ridge. > Should be back Wednesday, roughly 2000 miles later. > Have a nice weekend. > Greg You're not gonna believe this, but these were the original 202's, which came with my VFR when I got it in February (with 293 miles). I now have Macadams on and haven't tried no handing it yet... Fred and Gil offered similar remarks, thanks you guys. JK (D-mode here...) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 21:06:38 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Road Nasties Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:05:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0966_01BEF586.D636F020 Surface cautions in (at least) Northwest DC, as I'm sure many are = finding. Cable laying, construction, heat, and heavy rains seem to be = ganging up to wart the streets. Bad ones have seen around the 20th and = M area and today I noticed several major cycle swallowers on 19th Street = between M and L (just past Rumors). Obviously a special alert for night = driving. =20 Incidentally, the hazards of recent times don't stop at the road. = Yesterday a scaffold collapsed at the new Ritz construction (22nd/M -- = luckily no injuries). And a few weeks ago there was a serious mens' = room shooting (over a lady, 'tis said) at a 'hood watering hole. En = Guard! Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Don't wish to be Jonah'ed, plugged or dropped Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0966_01BEF586.D636F020

Surface cautions in (at least) = Northwest DC, as I'm=20 sure many are finding.  Cable laying, construction, heat, and heavy = rains=20 seem to be ganging up to wart the streets.  Bad ones have seen = around the=20 20th and M area and today I noticed several major cycle swallowers on = 19th=20 Street between M and L (just past Rumors).  Obviously a special = alert for=20 night driving. 
 
Incidentally, the hazards of recent times don't stop at the = road. =20 Yesterday a scaffold collapsed at the new Ritz construction (22nd/M -- = luckily=20 no injuries).  And a few weeks ago there was a serious mens' room = shooting=20 (over a lady, 'tis said) at a 'hood watering hole.  En = Guard!
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Don't = wish to be=20 Jonah'ed, plugged or dropped
Join the AMA.  Help protect my = riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0966_01BEF586.D636F020-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 21:28:51 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Head bolt tightening Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:27:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_096E_01BEF589.F1296860 A small piece of good luck -- to cancel out the everpresent little dings = of the day. And a headsup. =20 As I walked into Coleman's/FC in full gear a couple of days ago I began = to lift my Shoei visor. Pop, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle. I stopped, visor = flopping at one side, hinge pieces on the floor. Well, whadda you know. = Here I am not only at the dealer from whom it was purchased, but I find = all the unbroken pieces and put it back together at the counter. Loose = screw. As were others on the helmet, with like potential. =20 Just a couple of lifts one way or the other could have resulted in major = pain. Those helmet hinge pieces are not easy to come by, from past = experience. =20 Lesson -- Helmet screws tightened (every 5k or so?). =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Weeeellll, torque my bolts Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_096E_01BEF589.F1296860
A small piece of good luck -- to cancel = out the=20 everpresent little dings of the day.  And a headsup.  =
 
As I walked into Coleman's/FC in full = gear a couple=20 of days ago I began to lift my Shoei visor.  Pop, tinkle, tinkle,=20 tinkle.  I stopped, visor flopping at one side, hinge pieces on the = floor.  Well, whadda you know.  Here I am not only at the = dealer from=20 whom it was purchased, but I find all the unbroken pieces and put it = back=20 together at the counter.  Loose screw.  As were others on the = helmet,=20 with like potential. 
 
Just a couple of lifts = one way or the=20 other could have resulted in major pain.  Those helmet hinge pieces = are not=20 easy to come by, from past experience. 
 
Lesson -- Helmet screws = tightened=20 (every 5k or so?). 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Weeeellll, torque my bolts
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding = fun.
------=_NextPart_000_096E_01BEF589.F1296860-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 22:30:41 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Dream Headline: Gilmore Proposes Motorcycle Training Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:29:12 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0982_01BEF592.94C94000 Re: Post front page article 9/1 "Gilmore Proposes Widening I-66, Adding = Rail Lines." =20 Again, major studies and proposals reported without a mention of = alternative (extra-cage/Metro) transportation solutions seemingly = effective elsewhere, worldwide. Not sure whether it's the studies or = the reporting. Is there not substantive relief in those solutions? =20 One would think that, given the looming area gridlock, all possible = measures would be on the table. I choke, as do many others, when = thinking about the process of interior I-66 widening. On top of other = projects. =20 Can anyone shed light on state-of-the-thinking of the local = paverplanners on those alternative issues? Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Solving gridlock every ride Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0982_01BEF592.94C94000
Re:  Post front = page article 9/1=20 "Gilmore Proposes Widening I-66, Adding Rail Lines." =20
 
    = Again, major=20 studies and proposals reported without a mention of alternative=20 (extra-cage/Metro) transportation solutions seemingly effective = elsewhere,=20 worldwide.  Not sure whether it's the studies or the = reporting.  Is=20 there not substantive relief in those solutions? 
 
    One = would think=20 that, given the looming area gridlock, all possible measures would be on = the=20 table.  I choke, as do many others, when thinking about the process = of=20 interior I-66 widening.  On top of other projects.  =
 
    = Can anyone shed light on state-of-the-thinking of the = local=20 paverplanners on those alternative issues?
 
Bill S. / DC=20
99 VN750 --> Solving gridlock every ride
Join the AMA.  = Help=20 protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0982_01BEF592.94C94000-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 23:42:58 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:42:37 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:95 VFR decals for sale On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:20:49 -0400 "Westbrook, Richard" wrote: >Last year I ordered a complete set of OEM decals for my 1995 Honda VFR when >I had it painted. What I didn't realize is that all the decals have red trim >on them, and if I put them on my yellow VFR it would look like I am riding >the Ronald McDonald motorcycle. You want fries w/that? ;-) Why not just take an Xacto knife and trime the edges? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 2 23:53:51 1999 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:53:30 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Driver HIT AND RUN Just a suggestion,why not pass around a description of the Toyota to the other sluggers and see if anyone recognises it? Also,isn't there a registry or summat at the Pentagon for slug drivers? Maybe they can supply info to find the scumbag. >"Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" Odd,I don't recognise your name. Do you work w/Harwood and Stoddard? I'm in the Readiness Center(Customer Support Center,NSMC,whatever we're calling ourselves this week)on Mids,right around the corner. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 00:06:20 1999 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:05:32 EDT Subject: Calling Brian To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey Brian, had some questions on the RS and lost your email addy...contact me, if you would. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 00:21:16 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: No replacement for Collin... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:19:18 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 But seeing as how he's on digest now, and unable to respond when the need arises for a swift conversion: http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/~science/Conversion.html ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 06:53:34 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: No replacement for Collin... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:53:28 -0700 FDL.. hey Collin, you can even try to compair fruit! I know you've always wanted to do that! lol! > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > But seeing as how he's on digest now, and unable to respond > when the need > arises for a swift conversion: > > http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/~science/Conversion.html > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 07:51:04 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: Dream Headline: Gilmore Proposes Motorcycle Training To: Dc Cycles Actually, all the coverage I've seen of the Gilmore proposal has mentioned that includes Metro extension into Tyson's and express bus service, with the possibility of rail to follow, out to Dulles. Along with Gilmore to Arlington residents regarding 66: "Drop Dead." For those of you who "reverse commute" (as if it was any easier than regular commuting!) to Dulles... I discovered that they've dramatically improved the Fairfax Connector service, with tons of Herndon/Reston buses from the West Falls Church Metro. And dropped the price. It's actually a reasonable alternative now, which it wasn't a few years ago. I was sans vehicle for a day and used it to get to to work -- and it was fast and easy. Imagine that. They seem to have kept it a big secret, though. --- mobacc wrote: > Re: Post front page article 9/1 "Gilmore Proposes > Widening I-66, Adding Rail Lines." > > Again, major studies and proposals reported > without a mention of alternative (extra-cage/Metro) > transportation solutions seemingly effective > elsewhere, worldwide. Not sure whether it's the > studies or the reporting. Is there not substantive > relief in those solutions? > > One would think that, given the looming area > gridlock, all possible measures would be on the > table. I choke, as do many others, when thinking > about the process of interior I-66 widening. On top > of other projects. > > Can anyone shed light on state-of-the-thinking > of the local paverplanners on those alternative > issues? > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> Solving gridlock every ride > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 08:21:27 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 05:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: Dream Headline: Gilmore Proposes Motorcycle Training To: Dc Cycles Okay, this is what I get for reading my mail BEFORE getting coffee. I read "extra-cage/Metro" as something totally different. As Emily Litella used to say, "Never Mind!" You may all point and laugh now. John, heading back to the coffee machine. --- John Whiteside wrote: [something that makes it clear he misread the message he was replying to. Oops.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 09:30:57 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: Dc Cycles Subject: RE: Head bolt tightening Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:15:28 -0400 Organization: NCEA I had the same problem on my RF-700, only at 65mph on rt. 66. Visor ended up hanging by one screw. Needless to say I didn't stop to look for the missing pieces :) Coleman'$ had a spare parts kit for $5.99 which worked perfectly; cheaper than new helmet. They say it fits all RF-700, 800 and Rx-8 helmets. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: mobacc [SMTP:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:27 PM To: Dc Cycles Subject: Head bolt tightening A small piece of good luck -- to cancel out the everpresent little dings of the day. And a headsup. As I walked into Coleman's/FC in full gear a couple of days ago I began to lift my Shoei visor. Pop, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle. I stopped, visor flopping at one side, hinge pieces on the floor. Well, whadda you know. Here I am not only at the dealer from whom it was purchased, but I find all the unbroken pieces and put it back together at the counter. Loose screw. As were others on the helmet, with like potential. Just a couple of lifts one way or the other could have resulted in major pain. Those helmet hinge pieces are not easy to come by, from past experience. Lesson -- Helmet screws tightened (every 5k or so?). Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Weeeellll, torque my bolts Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. << File: ATT00001.htm >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 09:58:23 1999 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:57:56 EDT Subject: Re: No replacement for Collin... To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/3/1999 12:27:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << But seeing as how he's on digest now, and unable to respond when the need arises for a swift conversion: http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/~science/Conversion.html ---------------------------------------- -George Howell >> I've got that beat. I downloaded two different softwares for this purpose. One's called Win Convert and the other is U-Convert-It. Both work great but, nothing can replace Collin. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 09:57:43 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:55:08 -0400 Subject: Saturday Ride Plans To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It looks like we may have 5-8 riders for Saturday. There will be two meeting places: 1. 8:00-8:15 AM: Whitey's in Arlington 2. 8:45-9:00 AM Bob Evans restaurant in Manassas. Its right off of 66 at the Sudley Rd/234 exit. We will be leaving Manassas at 9AM sharp. The ride will be pretty long and spirited. I am still working on the details, but it will be 211 to New Market, down to Harrissonburg, then over into WVa via 33. We make take a different route back. My cell phone is 703-626-1221. Call or email with any question. Hope you can make it. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 10:28:40 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Head bolt tightening Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:28:28 -0700 Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And they come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet for awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think I'll stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I was doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you with after the fact). dang.. *shaking head* Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > > I had the same problem on my RF-700, only at 65mph on rt. 66. > Visor ended > up hanging by one screw. Needless to say I didn't stop to > look for the > missing pieces :) Coleman'$ had a spare parts kit for $5.99 > which worked > perfectly; cheaper than new helmet. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mobacc [SMTP:mobacc@XXXXXX] > > As I walked into Coleman's/FC in full gear a couple of days > ago I began to > lift my Shoei visor. Pop, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle. I stopped, visor > flopping at one side, hinge pieces on the floor. Well, > whadda you know. > Here I am not only at the dealer from whom it was purchased, > but I find > all the unbroken pieces and put it back together at the > counter. Loose > screw. As were others on the helmet, with like potential. > > Just a couple of lifts one way or the other could have > resulted in major > pain. Those helmet hinge pieces are not easy to come by, from past > experience. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 10:46:22 1999 From: Genna Melamed To: "'mark.kitchell@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Plans Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:43:30 -0400 Can I get directions to closest meeting point from Baltimore? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:41 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Ride Plans It looks like we may have 5-8 riders for Saturday. There will be two meeting places: 1. 8:00-8:15 AM: Whitey's in Arlington 2. 8:45-9:00 AM Bob Evans restaurant in Manassas. Its right off of 66 at the Sudley Rd/234 exit. We will be leaving Manassas at 9AM sharp. The ride will be pretty long and spirited. I am still working on the details, but it will be 211 to New Market, down to Harrissonburg, then over into WVa via 33. We make take a different route back. My cell phone is 703-626-1221. Call or email with any question. Hope you can make it. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 10:52:11 1999 From: Grant Heffernan Reply-To: granth@XXXXXX Organization: SCO To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Plans Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:48:31 -0400 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll meet up in Manassas for the 9am departure. On Fri, 03 Sep 1999, you wrote: >It looks like we may have 5-8 riders for Saturday. > >There will be two meeting places: > >1. 8:00-8:15 AM: Whitey's in Arlington >2. 8:45-9:00 AM Bob Evans restaurant in Manassas. Its right off of 66 at >the Sudley Rd/234 exit. > >We will be leaving Manassas at 9AM sharp. The ride will be pretty long and >spirited. I am still working on the details, but it will be 211 to New >Market, down to Harrissonburg, then over into WVa via 33. We make take a >different route back. > >My cell phone is 703-626-1221. Call or email with any question. > >Hope you can make it. > >Mark >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. -- ************************* Grant M. Heffernan Systems Engineer, SCO 2100 Reston Parkway Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703)715-8721 granth@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 10:53:08 1999 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:52:03 EDT Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Shoie's are excellent helmets, but cheap? They're right up there with Arai's as far as I've seen. The ratcheting mechanism for the shield has three screws on each side. I have had no problems with mine and it came with three spare screws. I don't know of any full face helmets that don't have screws in the faceplate mechanism. All of them have the possibility of loosening up and coming out simply from all of the opening and closing of the visor. Is this the start of a new thread? Just my .02. Take it at face value. Scooter In a message dated 9/3/1999 10:43:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And they come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet for awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think I'll stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I was doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you with after the fact). dang.. *shaking head* Brian McCoy >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 11:53:05 1999 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:51:37 EDT Subject: Re: SHOEI Helmets...(the i is after the e) WAS Re: Head bolt tightening To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think this was meant for the list. And, I thought Brian's spelling of Shoei looked wrong but, I didn't have my helmet here to check. :-) Scooter In a message dated 9/3/1999 11:46:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: << Arai makes some sweet helmets, but I think Shoei is a high quality company and also make some damn nice stuff. Either company's helmets rule, and it's a matter of what fits on your head. Along with a new bike, my insurance company told me "go buy a helmet and send us the receipt". While I could rape them on this and buy a $500+ Arai RX7RR3 and laugh my ass to the bank, I'm probably gonna get an RF-800. Arai's are narrow in the cheek area on me, and while they have some sweet features, the RF-800 has the same DOT and Snell certifications, is *almost* as nice, and fits my head like a glove. Every company has a couple lemons here and there (even Honda), and 99.9% of the people that have owned/tested/crashed with a Shoei on their head have been happy with it's performance. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening > Shoie's are excellent helmets, but cheap? They're right up there with Arai's > as far as I've seen. The ratcheting mechanism for the shield has three > screws on each side. I have had no problems with mine and it came with three > spare screws. I don't know of any full face helmets that don't have screws > in the faceplate mechanism. All of them have the possibility of loosening up > and coming out simply from all of the opening and closing of the visor. > > Is this the start of a new thread? > > Just my .02. Take it at face value. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 9/3/1999 10:43:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > > << Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And > they > come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet for > awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think I'll > stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I was > doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you with > after the fact). > > dang.. *shaking head* > > Brian McCoy >> >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 13:30:35 1999 From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Dirt Bike Rental Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:27:11 -0400 Does anyone know of a place that rents dirt bikes in this area? (or at least within a days drive) Richard From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 14:13:57 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 14:10:25 -0400 Subject: Any Rides Sunday or Monday? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Anyone planning rides on Sunday or Monday? Chris VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 14:22:56 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:22:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Any Rides Sunday or Monday? On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone planning rides on Sunday or Monday? I'll be hitting the dirt on monday. Bring the VTR out and have some fun! :) Ok, maybe that wouldn't work too well... Anyone else with a dirt bike is welcome though. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 15:01:51 1999 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:02:45 -0400 Subject: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer I'm not on dc-cycles any more, but I thought this message was well worth forwarding to the list. The message is very important, and I don't recall seeing it addressed on dc-cycles before. This is from another list I subscribe to.. the author was in a bad motorcycle accident in which he broke both legs, and was very badly injured. He totalled a Jeep Cherokee and I'd imagine his bike as well.. the accident was his fault. Anyhow, he's just assessed his insurance coverage after learning that the Jeep driver has retained a lawyer.. after reading this I checked my insurance coverage on my bike.. to go from 50/100/25 to 100/300/50 cost $16.60 per year. Needless to say, I made this change immediately. Read on... Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: David C Lawrence To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:26 AM Subject: Looking for a Lawyer > It appears my first attempt to send this to the east list did not > succeed, probably because my default email address is not what I am > subscribed here as. I am sorry if this ends up being a duplicate. > > 2 Sep 1999 > > Does anyone know a very good lawyer? Or better yet, a lawyer referral > service you really trust? > > My insurance case manager has informed us that the lady who was > driving the Jeep has retained a lawyer. At first the implications of > this were not apparent to me (maybe it is my drugs, maybe I am just a > big idiot) but my wife's irateness has made it quite clear. While it > is possible that the driver and her husband are just trying to protect > their own "reasonable" interests it could be that they intend to go > after a big monetary judgement. > > While it is true that our insurance company will represent us in any > suit stemming from this accident, their interest is in themselves and > in any event their is a cap on the amount they would have to pay. If > a judgement is rendered in excess of that depressingly low cap > ($60,000) then the rest will have to come out of our pocket. We > really need someone to be directly representing our interests. I am > pretty sure that any suit would be in a New York court because the > accident was there and the plaintiff lives there, so I would need a New > York attorney. > > In any event, I just think I am getting to the stage in my life where > I should be able to say, "I'll have my lawyer look into it." I should > probably be looking for a Vermont lawyer too. > > While I've got your attention, I want to again preach about the > importance of adequate insurance coverage. Right now my wife would > not be quite so (understandably) angry and resentful at me about the > possible ramifications of my having insufficient coverage and then > being involved in this accident. I don't really blame her, and I feel > very sad and anxious right now. I have never been sad or upset about > my personal injuries throughout this whole period, but I am so > depressed now about this other pile of shit I have dumped on our > little family. The stress on our relationship is extreme. > > The financial difference for peace of mind is minimal. It chokes me > up when I think about how little money it would have taken to make > this picture look a whole lot different. Today I asked my insurance > agent to run some quotes for me and the results were distressing to > hear. I was paying $125 annually for my motorcycle for the Vermont > state minimum of $60,000 of liability coverage. For a mere _six_ > dollars more that coverage could have been raised to $100,000, and for > an additional 44 dollars ($175 total) I could have had $300,000 of > liability coverage. > > I would have _gladly_ paid those amounts, when I originally bought the > policy, if only I had thought to ask what the cost was and not had the > silly, stupid, ridiculous notion that I could not cause all that much > damage with my motorcycle. Well, heck, even though my motorcycle did > go up against an SUV, supposedly the "winners" in typical accidents > with smaller vehicles, the Jeep was still totalled and the driver had > a back injury. Now think .... what if you were involved in an > accident with a small car, another motorcycle, a bicycle or heaven > forbid a pedestrian? Do you think your coverage is enough? Why > didn't _I_ think of those scenarios before? I could kick myself from > here to the moon. > > While I had my agent on the phone I also asked about our auto > insurance, which at $300,000 liability I thought was already at the > maximum. Not so --- $500,000 is the maximum, which I need to carry > before I can get an umbrella liability policy for one million > dollars. The difference? Just $70 more for both vehicles. Without > hesitation I said, "Do it and send me the bill." It is a no-brainer. > If you are not living on the edge of your income or even if you are > but can give up a hundred dollar luxury per year, then I urge you to > raise your coverage. Let my experience be a lesson to you, and don > like me, having to learn these lessons the hard way. > > All of this is overshadowing what should otherwise be a pretty happy > time for me right now, a milestone. Yesterday I had my first home > visit, where my physical therapists evaluated how well I would be able > to manage at home. Though there were a couple of tricky spots, and it > was hot as hell to make me drip with sweat (typical Vermont house with > no air-conditioning, and a 92 degree day), I was able to handle all my > tasks --- and have a nice visit with my cats. The current plan > is that I will be able to go home for good next Tuesday afternoon. > > Thanks for listening. > > David From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 15:33:03 1999 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:27:56 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening I seem to recollect the visor mounts for an Arai go for about $10/15. They may not come loose, but when one get's spit out of a race boat at 65+ MPH, the visor blows off from the water bucketing in the helmet. Cost more to fix the helmet than it did to dry out and redo the engine. Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And they > come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet for > awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think I'll > stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I was > doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you with > after the fact). > > dang.. *shaking head* > > Brian McCoy > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 15:44:38 1999 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:38:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SHOEI Helmets...(the i is after the e) WAS Re: Head bolt tightening Add me to the Shoei crash test group. A left turner got me and I went flying over his car and hit head first. I heard the fibreglass/kevlar shell crunching when I hit. The Shoei is toast - done - on my shelf as a tattered testiment that helmets work. I bought a new one just like it. Bill > Every company has a couple lemons here and there (even Honda), and 99.9% of > the people that have owned/tested/crashed with a Shoei on their head have > been happy with it's performance. > > Kirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening > > > > Shoie's are excellent helmets, but cheap? They're right up there with > Arai's > > as far as I've seen. The ratcheting mechanism for the shield has three > > screws on each side. I have had no problems with mine and it came with > three > > spare screws. I don't know of any full face helmets that don't have > screws > > in the faceplate mechanism. All of them have the possibility of loosening > up > > and coming out simply from all of the opening and closing of the visor. > > > > Is this the start of a new thread? > > > > Just my .02. Take it at face value. > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated 9/3/1999 10:43:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > > > > << Shoie's have bolts/screws that hold the visor on their helmets?!!? And > > they > > come loose!! Good lord, I thought that Shoie was a fairly good helmet > for > > > awhile.. now I see why their prices are usually pretty cheap.. I think > I'll > > stick with my Arai (I've NEVER had a shield come loose or off unless I > was > > doing it on purpose, and there are no 'spares kits' that they hit you > with > > after the fact). > > > > dang.. *shaking head* > > > > Brian McCoy >> > >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 16:00:17 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:58:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Head bolt tightening On Fri, 03 Sep Bill Huson wrote: >...but when one get's spit out of a race boat at 65+ MPH, the visor > blows off from the water bucketing in the helmet. Cost more to fix the helmet > than it did to dry out and redo the engine. Race Boats? Hey there bill, I think you got your lists mixed up.... -John N From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 16:02:35 1999 From: Michael Jay To: Dc Cycles Subject: bike cover question Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:09:04 -0400 Hi folks, Does anyone know of a store where I can get a cheap bike cover--like the sub 10$ range in the Dennis Kirk catalog? I need to get the cover this weekend to park my bike away from home for a few days so I need a local store. I work in Herdon and live in Falls Church, but I avoid any bike shop that insists on collecting my personal information for their mailing list when I am paying cash. Heck, I would even go to Target for a generic cover that works for bikes if it is in stock. Thanks, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 16:38:10 1999 From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: traffic alert Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:31:23 -0400 According to the Washington Post, I95 bewteen DC and Baltimore is totally scrod. Major accident in the Northbound lanes near Rt. 100 at 3:00pm has those lanes shut down until about 5:00 pm; Southbound is just really slow (8 mile backup, I think it said). Two medivac helicopters. This happened right before the end of the Ravens' football games and before the O's baseball game, so it probably got worse, quickly. Maybe a good day to take in a matinee before heading home... -Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 17:19:08 1999 Reply-To: "Mr. Bill" From: "Mr. Bill" To: Cc: "Baltimore Motorcyclists" , "DC Motorcyclists" Subject: Re: STOLEN 48 PAN Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:44:02 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: TINATRIP@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:18 PM Subject: STOLEN 48 PAN > SOMEONE STOLE MY HUSBANDS 48 PANHEAD FROM OUR HOME ON > SEPTEMBER 1, 1999 > > HOW DO I SPREAD THIS AROUND? > > MAYBE SOMEONE HAS SEEN HER? > > TINATRIP@XXXXXX Let us know what the bike looks like, the tag number, where it was stolen from. Post this to the Baltimore and DC cycles lists (Cc:'d in the distribution. Good luck finding y'alls ride. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 3 23:15:24 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: crash testing helmets was head bolt tightening... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Having crash tested several helmets this year, I can personally vouch for the Shoei RF-700 and the Bell Legacy and Bell Star1. The Shoei took a hard side impact at 70ish grinding deep into the fiberglass/kevlar leaving me with a mild concussion for a few days. The day before I lowsided my 750 in turn 4 at 130+ and somehow did not get a single scratch on the helmet..not one!! (but I didn't tumble more than two rotations either...just a nice looooong slide) The Legacy model took a very hard head first impact in my highside at nelson ledges. Busted off the top venting cover, super deep gouges in the kevlar along the left forehead area and left chin area, and split the visor. I have a stiff neck from it, but I don't think any helmet would protect against that. The Star1 was on my head in the most recent turn 4 lowside (130+mph) somehow I managed to keep my head mostly off the ground... some very light scratches here and there from when I finally made it to the dirt and started tumbling. no injuries. Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 4 01:46:23 1999 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: jmikut@XXXXXX Subject: bike for sale May be of interest: good 1-person touring bike. --garcia =================================================== FOR SALE Motorcycle, Honda 500 '82 Silver Wing, 11K miles, 2nd owner, many extras. Perfect Condition. Leaving the country, can't take it with me, $1100 obo. Sergio 232-8037. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 4 09:14:54 1999 X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:11:33 -0400 To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer At 03:02 PM 9/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >I'm not on dc-cycles any more, but I thought this message was >well worth forwarding to the list. The message is very important, >and I don't recall seeing it addressed on dc-cycles before. This is >from another list I subscribe to.. the author was in a bad >motorcycle accident in which he broke both legs, and was very >badly injured. He totalled a Jeep Cherokee and I'd imagine his bike >as well.. the accident was his fault. Anita... I was at the ride after which Dave wrecked... and yes, he 100% totaled his bike, a CBR1000F. It was run over by the Jeep, and was said to have looked like it had been hit by a canon ball. Dave is one of the best riders I've ever known. He tended towards fast, but was extremely careful. He had lots and lots of thousands of miles in the saddle. This particular wreck happened after a long day, returning from a weekend ride in North Carolina. He was on backroads in unfamiliar territory and it had started lightly raining. He came around a turn and saw the jeep. He was in his lane, but felt he was farther out than he wanted to be, put a bit more lean into the bike and just lost traction. A LEO later said something like "You're the fourth person this month who's lost it on this curve." I think I've saved all of the cronicles of this, if anyone is really interested in the rest of the story from Dave. Its one of those things where, yes, the accident was his fault, but, where he was doing just about everything right and still wadded his bike and caused the driver of the jeep to panic, run off the road and total her SUV into a tree. Anyhow, yes, take Dave's advice, check your insurance. The bunch of extra coverage is probably worth the little extra bit you'll pay. Even if you're a good rider, you will go down. -- "We've met the Enemy and He is Us." Walt Kelly From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 08:08:16 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 07:56:08 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Looking for a cheap mini-bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 All- I used to own a 76' Z50, and was wondering if anyone out there had a Z collecting dust that they might want to sell. I would take any year back through 68 so long as it was running, but I'm looking for a pit bike more than a collectors item or restoration project. My Dad bought the 76' in 1982 for $175, which seemed like big bucks to me, especially compared to the $65 he spent for my first bike, a Rupp Sportster (?). Anyway I am looking for something that costs a couple hundred, nothing fancy. Thanks. (If anyone has a Rupp thats even better!) Jonathan Broga SV650 PS. If it has old tires thats okay, I could use some practice sliding . . . From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 11:25:51 1999 From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:22:56 -0400 Subject: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Ride/Crash Report THE RIDE: As you know, I had planned a Saturday ride to Seneca Rocks. The weathe= r did concern me, but radar reports Friday night looked like the real rai= n wouldn?t arrive until Sunday (as I write this Saturday at 5, its pourin= g outside). I turned the TV on at 7 this morning and was happy to hear = the weatherman say that the weather towards the west would be fine. Genna = from Baltimore called me to see if the ride was still on. Perhaps the call= should have made me hesitate. Herb ____ met me at Whitey?s, then an uneventful ride to Manassas. Muc= h to my (pleasant) surprise, there were at least seven more bikes when we arrived at Bob Evans. The ride started down 66 to Route 55. We lost a= few riders along the way, and waited for them to catch up near the Plains. Following another miscommunication in Marshall, Randy Moran and his wif= e split off. Arriving in Sperryville, we again came across Randy. His w= ife had decided to sit this ride out. The weather was questionable. At times a fine, misty rain, at times, seemingly clear. The road appeared to be dry?.it wasn?t. After passing Cooter?s store we began to climb the famous Route 211. I= was riding in the middle, with Randy behind me. Randy had alerted us to th= e first sharp turn, where earlier this year, another DC Cycle rider (Jonathan?) had crashed. I was riding well, finally able to ignore the rider in front of me and concentrate on my own groove. As we approached the first turn, I brake= d hard since my speed was too high. The corner WAS tight, but I took it without any problems. I remember congratulating myself on taking the corner faster and more leaned over than I usually do. As anyone who has ridden 211 knows, the next turn is never far away. = I immediately found myself in an fairly sharp right-hander. I was in the= far right lane of a three-lane (2 lanes going up, one down) decreasing radi= us turn. What happened next is still very unclear. What I do remember is that w= hile leaned far over, the rear tire started slipping and sliding out. I do = not usually (ever) slide the rear tire so this was a totally foreign (and scary) experience. For a split second, I panicked. I unwisely decided= to grab the front brake, in hopes the bike would stand up a bit and stop sliding. Well, this was probably not the right thing to do. As soon a= s the brakes engaged, I began to drift over into the next lane. Instead = of stabilizing, I was headed straight for the opposite guard rail. Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really grabb= ed the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out completely. T= he bike lowsided and hit the pavement in the first third of the far left (oncoming) lane. My body (right leg) hit the pavement with the VFR on= top of me. We slid a short distance across the pavement, until the bike separated from me and hit the guardrail. I came to rest on my back, in= the left median. The group immediately stopped, which created even more danger as cars c= ame careening around the corner. I grabbed my leg and felt it over for bro= ken bones. My knee and ankle hurt, but I realized that nothing was broken.= To make a long story short, the bike was pushed from under the guardrail a= nd started. As I sat there, some shock set in, but I realized how lucky I= was. If a car had been coming in the opposite direction, I would be de= ad or paralyzed?period. As we were about to get out of there, a fire truck showed up. Followin= g a brief consultation, the ambulance was cancelled. Unfortunately, the po= lice then arrived and proceeded to write me a ticket for RECKLESS DRIVING. = What crap. I will be going to court in hopes of having it reduced, but wit= h 6 points of my license (speeding in a cage) I am not hopeful of getting i= t dismissed. The state trooper explained that he was writing me a ticket= since they see a lot of fatal motorcycle accidents on the same turn. S= o, I am paying the price for the past sins of squids. THE BIKE: Its going to be a long winter of repair and saving money to buy parts. = The slide actually only caused minor damage?a trashed right upper and lower= fairing, bent brake pedal and dented tank. The crash into the guard ra= il was a killer?the entire front end plastic/headlights/windscreen is smas= hed, and the right side fairings are broken. Hopefully, the front forks are= not bent, I am not sure yet. I estimate it will take at least $1,500 to re= pair the bike, and at least a few months. SAFETY EQUIPMENT: Don?t ride in jeans. If I had been wearing jeans, I would be in the hospital with a serious knee injury. I was wearing Prexport touring bo= ots, which are hardly scratched. My legs were protected by Motoport Canyon pants. These are armoured in the knees and thighs. I hit right on the= armored knee. ARMOR ROCKS!! My upper body was protected by a Vanson jacket and Shoei RF-800 helmet, both of which are a bit scratched. I h= ad just purchased new gloves?Honda racing gloves made by Hein Geirke. The= y appreared to be poor man?s Helds?well padded, with plastic studs. The gloves worked wonderfully, with a few of the studs ripped out but my ha= nds are fine. LESSONS LEARNED: #1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, #2, don?t let riding i= n a group increase one?s speed/risk taking (that is 100% my fault), #3 is = that I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my spor= t riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in corners= . My braking was a result of panic and inexperience with sliding. I had planned to purchase a race-bike this winter but that is on hold. = For one, the money is no longer there. I am not sure my confidence is ther= e either. I would like to thank everyone who was on the ride. Randy and Herb wer= e especially helpful, with offers of a ride home and an escort back to DC= once I had decided to ride back. I have another motorcycle, so my ridi= ng won?t stop?but the VFR will be back!!! Mark PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity t= o which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, o= r taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you rece= ived this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from = any computer. = From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 13:02:34 1999 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 12:57:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Mark Glad to hear you survived with no serious injury. Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane positioning is a advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders have different performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit another person's ride. In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over thier head and uncomfortable. Bill mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > LESSONS LEARNED: > > #1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, #2, don?t let riding in a > group increase one?s speed/risk taking (that is 100% my fault), #3 is that > I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my sport > riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in corners. > My braking was a result of panic and inexperience with sliding. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 13:03:00 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11549 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990905170248.24164.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.104] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:02:48 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry to hear about the bike, and the accident, glad you're okay. As far as I know, or well atleast what i've seen in maryland, a ticket for reckless driving where a person hit a guard rail and the trooper happens to come along the scene after the accident, the officer did not witness the actual crash and so the ticket was thrown out. If I were you I'd tell the judge I was on a group ride with a motorcycle association (called The DC area riders). and there was a very fine mist of rain on the road, but it looked dry. I grabed the front brake to slow down for a turn but i was already leaning and my front wheel lost traction, so it was an error but it wasn't driving recklessly. If you happened to tell the officer "I was going too fast" he may have made a note of it, and that may be an "admittance of guilt". The first thing I'd ask is "Can I get the case dismissed since the officer didn't witness it?" before telling what happened, as telling what happened might be an admittance of guilt, but my guess is, if they dont' dismiss it first, telling ti that way, might get you off. Especially if you bring just 1 witness. I've seen a judge take the word of 2 people over 1 cop, when one person was a witness, one was the defendant. How much is the ticket? maybe a few people who witnessed it from the list, might mail you a signed statement saying the above. You might also mention something like "Further evidence that I wasn't driving reckless is that I wasn't injured, and all the damage to the bike was cosmetic.. very expensive, but cosmetic. Maybe he'll cut you a break. He might be sympathetic and let your bike damages be your punishment.. since the cop didn't witness it, he might use that to justify letting you go.. and he probably realises you weren't being squidly and also understanding that light fine misty rain can be decieving. You might luck out, and he might be a motorcyclist... who's probably slid before. I know if i were a judge, and you told me the above, i'd dismiss the charges.. my rear will was sliding saturday when it was raining. luckily all my bike riding as a kid, gave me familiarity with wet riding.. i tend to use my rear brake more (than my front) in the rain. After reading what happened to you, I think i'll avoid riding in the rain all together, I mean if the weather is questionable, I won't ride more than 5 or 10 min away from home. I was kind of confident to ride in the rain, however i'm glad I turned around and went home on saturday. Thanks for sharing your accident story with us. I hope my ideas will help, or atleast give you a little comfort in knowing it's possible to beat your ticket. Good luck and let us know how it goes. Daniel 91 ex250 --- mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Ride/Crash Report > > THE RIDE: > > As you know, I had planned a Saturday ride to Seneca Rocks. The > weather > did concern me, but radar reports Friday night looked like the real > rain > wouldn?t arrive until Sunday (as I write this Saturday at 5, its > pouring > outside). I turned the TV on at 7 this morning and was happy to > hear the > weatherman say that the weather towards the west would be fine. > Genna from > Baltimore called me to see if the ride was still on. Perhaps the > call > should have made me hesitate. > > Herb ____ met me at Whitey?s, then an uneventful ride to Manassas. > Much to > my (pleasant) surprise, there were at least seven more bikes when > we > arrived at Bob Evans. The ride started down 66 to Route 55. We > lost a few > riders along the way, and waited for them to catch up near the > Plains. > Following another miscommunication in Marshall, Randy Moran and his > wife > split off. Arriving in Sperryville, we again came across Randy. > His wife > had decided to sit this ride out. > > The weather was questionable. At times a fine, misty rain, at > times, > seemingly clear. The road appeared to be dry?.it wasn?t. > > After passing Cooter?s store we began to climb the famous Route > 211. I was > riding in the middle, with Randy behind me. Randy had alerted us > to the > first sharp turn, where earlier this year, another DC Cycle rider > (Jonathan?) had crashed. > > I was riding well, finally able to ignore the rider in front of me > and > concentrate on my own groove. As we approached the first turn, I > braked > hard since my speed was too high. The corner WAS tight, but I took > it > without any problems. I remember congratulating myself on taking > the > corner faster and more leaned over than I usually do. > > As anyone who has ridden 211 knows, the next turn is never far > away. I > immediately found myself in an fairly sharp right-hander. I was in > the far > right lane of a three-lane (2 lanes going up, one down) decreasing > radius > turn. > > What happened next is still very unclear. What I do remember is > that while > leaned far over, the rear tire started slipping and sliding out. I > do not > usually (ever) slide the rear tire so this was a totally foreign > (and > scary) experience. For a split second, I panicked. I unwisely > decided to > grab the front brake, in hopes the bike would stand up a bit and > stop > sliding. Well, this was probably not the right thing to do. As > soon as > the brakes engaged, I began to drift over into the next lane. > Instead of > stabilizing, I was headed straight for the opposite guard rail. > > Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really > grabbed > the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out > completely. The > bike lowsided and hit the pavement in the first third of the far > left > (oncoming) lane. My body (right leg) hit the pavement with the > VFR on top > of me. We slid a short distance across the pavement, until the > bike > separated from me and hit the guardrail. I came to rest on my > back, in the > left median. > > The group immediately stopped, which created even more danger as > cars came > careening around the corner. I grabbed my leg and felt it over for > broken > bones. My knee and ankle hurt, but I realized that nothing was > broken. To > make a long story short, the bike was pushed from under the > guardrail and > started. As I sat there, some shock set in, but I realized how > lucky I > was. If a car had been coming in the opposite direction, I would > be dead > or paralyzed?period. > > As we were about to get out of there, a fire truck showed up. > Following a > brief consultation, the ambulance was cancelled. Unfortunately, > the police > then arrived and proceeded to write me a ticket for RECKLESS > DRIVING. What > crap. I will be going to court in hopes of having it reduced, but > with 6 > points of my license (speeding in a cage) I am not hopeful of > getting it > dismissed. The state trooper explained that he was writing me a > ticket > since they see a lot of fatal motorcycle accidents on the same > turn. So, I > am paying the price for the past sins of squids. > > > THE BIKE: > > Its going to be a long winter of repair and saving money to buy > parts. The > slide actually only caused minor damage?a trashed right upper and > lower > fairing, bent brake pedal and dented tank. The crash into the > guard rail > was a killer?the entire front end plastic/headlights/windscreen is > smashed, > and the right side fairings are broken. Hopefully, the front forks > are not > bent, I am not sure yet. I estimate it will take at least $1,500 > to repair > the bike, and at least a few months. > > SAFETY EQUIPMENT: > > Don?t ride in jeans. If I had been wearing jeans, I would be in > the > hospital with a serious knee injury. I was wearing Prexport > touring boots, > which are hardly scratched. My legs were protected by Motoport > Canyon > pants. These are armoured in the knees and thighs. I hit right on > the > armored knee. ARMOR ROCKS!! My upper body was protected by a > Vanson > jacket and Shoei RF-800 helmet, both of which are a bit scratched. > I had > just purchased new gloves?Honda racing gloves made by Hein Geirke. > They > appreared to be poor man?s Helds?well padded, with plastic studs. > The > gloves worked wonderfully, with a few of the studs ripped out but > my hands > are fine. > > LESSONS LEARNED: > > #1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, #2, don?t let > riding in a > group increase one?s speed/risk taking (that is 100% my fault), #3 > is that > I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my > sport > riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in > corners. > My braking was a result of panic and inexperience with sliding. > > I had planned to purchase a race-bike this winter but that is on > hold. For > one, the money is no longer there. I am not sure my confidence is > there > either. > > I would like to thank everyone who was on the ride. Randy and Herb > were > especially helpful, with offers of a ride home and an escort back > to DC > once I had decided to ride back. I have another motorcycle, so my > riding > won?t stop?but the VFR will be back!!! > > Mark > > PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 14:06:50 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12575 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:06:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:06:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sorry to hear of the accident MArk.. but glad that you weren't hurt, and the bike isn't totaled. @ years ago I watched a fellow lister go down in that very vorner.. he was following someone on an FJ1100 (they doesn't exactly have tons of clearance before dragging hard bits) - the FJ touched something and slid-out - the lister locked up the rear brake and slide off aswell... I've also seen a dozen other accidents in that very corner through the years of riding there... it's a corner that gets a lot of people, even in the dry. Anyway - if you're curious, you shouldn't have touched the brakes at all. If anything, you should have just leaned the bike in a little more with constant throttle. Most tires today are good enough in the rain to reach close to max lean before giving out completely. But the situation varys each time, and requires different adjustment. To get some confidence back, I can see two very clear options - but a small dirt-bike for a couple hundred dollars and get on the dirt.. slide it all over the place, crash, and find yourself getting comfortable with a bike loose beneath you. Spend $2k on a racebike and gear and get yourself on a track.. if you want to lean further, then this is the best way to do it. Hell, spend $600 and enroll yourself in an on-track training school using one of their bikes.. that'll do tons as-well (I remember all the heaps of confidence I had after my first day on the track going back to the street.. what an awesome feeling - now I'm just scared when getting on a street-bike). Well, I'd offer to help you with your bike, but I'll be gone from the area in 4 weeks.. I hope it looks worse than it actually is. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 14:12:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12652 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Sun, 5 Sep 99 18:12:20 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa005kU; Sun, 05 Sep 99 18:12:14 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:12:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'Bill Huson'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:12:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Bill, That only really has an effect on riding in a group while in non-technical places - like city streets, highways, straights, etc... as soon as you get into the corners, it becomes single-file. Riding with a group is a WONDERFUL way to see others ride and learn from those with more ability by watching their bodyplacement, bike positioning, braking, and any of a dozen other things. Plus, if something DOES happen, you have someone there who's going to be able to help, and understands the situation probably a bit better than your average cager. But, to each their own. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane > positioning is a > advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the > advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders > have different > performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit > another person's ride. > In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over > thier head and > uncomfortable. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 14:47:38 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13224 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-114.patriot.net [209.249.180.114]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25117; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2B996.244C4654@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:42:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BUT... single file, which is the usual style when on the twisties, doesn't solve the problem of a rider who is past the edge of his/her skill but feels a *need* to keep up. In a perfect world the aforementioned rider would bail out and meet the group at the next fuel/rest stop, but the desire to not look like a weenie usually overrules. I do ride with groups - like groups of a few with a commen destination and similer riding styles. Read slow and steady style. After all, an FLH isn't exactly set up for screaming around the twisties :-) Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Bill, > > That only really has an effect on riding in a group while in > non-technical places - like city streets, highways, straights, etc... as > soon as you get into the corners, it becomes single-file. Riding with a > group is a WONDERFUL way to see others ride and learn from those with more > ability by watching their bodyplacement, bike positioning, braking, and any > of a dozen other things. Plus, if something DOES happen, you have someone > there who's going to be able to help, and understands the situation probably > a bit better than your average cager. > > But, to each their own. > > Brian McCoy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane > > positioning is a > > advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the > > advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders > > have different > > performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit > > another person's ride. > > In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over > > thier head and > > uncomfortable. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 14:50:56 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13301 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-114.patriot.net [209.249.180.114]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25303; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2BA5A.7711CA6A@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:45:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel aka ITM CC: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: <19990905170248.24164.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel aka ITM wrote: The first thing I'd ask is "Can I get the case dismissed since the officer didn't witness it?" In the Commonwealth of Virginia, I'm sure that an officer must have witnesses for the Commonwealth in order to make a ticket stick if he/she didn't see the event. Said officer can supeona anyone at the scene. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 15:24:53 1999 Return-Path: genna@XXXXXX Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13833 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc636515a ([24.3.39.108]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990905192448.PXLQ29344.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc636515a>; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:24:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01bef7d4$051d8260$6c270318@owml1.md.home.com> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Bill Huson" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" References: <37D2B996.244C4654@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:22:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I was that and although I didn't witness the crash i can tell you following: As we entered the twisties, we more or less split up into 2 groups: I was in the first group of 3 riders( I was the last one with 900RR and CBR1000 in front of me) and we were going much faster then Mark(who was right behind me) and the rest of the riders and soon lost them far behind. So i don't think he was pressed to follow us all that much. I, for one, never let anyone dictate my pace. Also, there is a lot to be said for weather. The road was dry, but as we went higher up the mountain, there was a strip of rain(rather hard one). This went to quick condition change. IMHO, it was a combination of weather and "inexperience" in such weather that caused this accident. Mark, if you need a witness, I'll be glad to offer my help. Although, i haven't seen actual crash, i can tell judge that weather played much more significant role in this crash then your driving. Genna Melamed VTR1000 genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: McCoy, Brian NAB02 Cc: 'dc' Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) > BUT... single file, which is the usual style when on the twisties, doesn't solve > the problem of a rider who is past the edge of his/her skill but feels a *need* > to keep up. In a perfect world the aforementioned rider would bail out and meet > the group at the next fuel/rest stop, but the desire to not look like a weenie > usually overrules. > > I do ride with groups - like groups of a few with a commen destination and > similer riding styles. Read slow and steady style. After all, an FLH isn't > exactly set up for screaming around the twisties :-) > > Bill > > McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > That only really has an effect on riding in a group while in > > non-technical places - like city streets, highways, straights, etc... as > > soon as you get into the corners, it becomes single-file. Riding with a > > group is a WONDERFUL way to see others ride and learn from those with more > > ability by watching their bodyplacement, bike positioning, braking, and any > > of a dozen other things. Plus, if something DOES happen, you have someone > > there who's going to be able to help, and understands the situation probably > > a bit better than your average cager. > > > > But, to each their own. > > > > Brian McCoy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > > > Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane > > > positioning is a > > > advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the > > > advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders > > > have different > > > performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit > > > another person's ride. > > > In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over > > > thier head and > > > uncomfortable. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 15:29:04 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13920 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:29:02 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA24769; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:28:20 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024554; Sun, 5 Sep 99 15:28:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHL00M1MQ6U65@XXXXXX>; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E3.006AC366 ; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:26:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:24:46 -0400 Subject: RE: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E3.006ABBA1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Thanks for the offer of help Brian. I may take you up on it, since I don't have the funds right now to purchase new parts. Some type of school, like CCS or class, is planned for next year. mark To: 'dc' cc: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Date: 09/05/99 06:06:37 PM GMT Subject: RE: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Sorry to hear of the accident MArk.. but glad that you weren't hurt, and the bike isn't totaled. @ years ago I watched a fellow lister go down in that very vorner.. he was following someone on an FJ1100 (they doesn't exactly have tons of clearance before dragging hard bits) - the FJ touched something and slid-out - the lister locked up the rear brake and slide off aswell... I've also seen a dozen other accidents in that very corner through the years of riding there... it's a corner that gets a lot of people, even in the dry. Anyway - if you're curious, you shouldn't have touched the brakes at all. If anything, you should have just leaned the bike in a little more with constant throttle. Most tires today are good enough in the rain to reach close to max lean before giving out completely. But the situation varys each time, and requires different adjustment. To get some confidence back, I can see two very clear options - but a small dirt-bike for a couple hundred dollars and get on the dirt.. slide it all over the place, crash, and find yourself getting comfortable with a bike loose beneath you. Spend $2k on a racebike and gear and get yourself on a track.. if you want to lean further, then this is the best way to do it. Hell, spend $600 and enroll yourself in an on-track training school using one of their bikes.. that'll do tons as-well (I remember all the heaps of confidence I had after my first day on the track going back to the street.. what an awesome feeling - now I'm just scared when getting on a street-bike). Well, I'd offer to help you with your bike, but I'll be gone from the area in 4 weeks.. I hope it looks worse than it actually is. Brian McCoy ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 15:43:24 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14192 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA06685; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:42:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006243; Sun, 5 Sep 99 15:41:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHL00L9CQUHQ0@XXXXXX>; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E3.006C124E ; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:40:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:39:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: Genna Melamed Cc: Bill Huson , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <852567E3.006C0F89.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Just to make it clear...NO ONE on the ride pressured me to do anything. It was my responsibility. Thanks for the offer. I may take you up on it. Mark To: Bill Huson , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: 'dc' From: Genna Melamed Date: 09/05/99 07:22:39 PM GMT Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) I was that and although I didn't witness the crash i can tell you following: As we entered the twisties, we more or less split up into 2 groups: I was in the first group of 3 riders( I was the last one with 900RR and CBR1000 in front of me) and we were going much faster then Mark(who was right behind me) and the rest of the riders and soon lost them far behind. So i don't think he was pressed to follow us all that much. I, for one, never let anyone dictate my pace. Also, there is a lot to be said for weather. The road was dry, but as we went higher up the mountain, there was a strip of rain(rather hard one). This went to quick condition change. IMHO, it was a combination of weather and "inexperience" in such weather that caused this accident. Mark, if you need a witness, I'll be glad to offer my help. Although, i haven't seen actual crash, i can tell judge that weather played much more significant role in this crash then your driving. Genna Melamed VTR1000 genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: McCoy, Brian NAB02 Cc: 'dc' Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) > BUT... single file, which is the usual style when on the twisties, doesn't solve > the problem of a rider who is past the edge of his/her skill but feels a *need* > to keep up. In a perfect world the aforementioned rider would bail out and meet > the group at the next fuel/rest stop, but the desire to not look like a weenie > usually overrules. > > I do ride with groups - like groups of a few with a commen destination and > similer riding styles. Read slow and steady style. After all, an FLH isn't > exactly set up for screaming around the twisties :-) > > Bill > > McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > That only really has an effect on riding in a group while in > > non-technical places - like city streets, highways, straights, etc... as > > soon as you get into the corners, it becomes single-file. Riding with a > > group is a WONDERFUL way to see others ride and learn from those with more > > ability by watching their bodyplacement, bike positioning, braking, and any > > of a dozen other things. Plus, if something DOES happen, you have someone > > there who's going to be able to help, and understands the situation probably > > a bit better than your average cager. > > > > But, to each their own. > > > > Brian McCoy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > > > Re: Lessons learned - I no longer ride in a group. Lane > > > positioning is a > > > advantage of a motorcycle and in a staggered formation you give up the > > > advantage and shut off an escape route. Both bikes and riders > > > have different > > > performance/skill levels and one person's may not suit > > > another person's ride. > > > In any given group, someone, or many someones, are in over > > > thier head and > > > uncomfortable. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 15:52:17 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14352 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Sun, 5 Sep 99 19:51:36 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa006ui; Sun, 05 Sep 99 19:51:35 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:51:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:51:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I can see a valid argument from both Bill and Genna... Sure, in a perfect world we all ride our own pace and everyone's comfortable with that... In THIS world, even if you're an experienced ride, you can and do feel the pangs of attempting to keep up with the fastest guy (or continue being the fastest guy - or gal). It happens, maybe not everytime, but everyones guilty of it to some degree. Now, traditionally I take a persons word for straight up truth unless I have reason otherwise.. Mark's never given reason - so I'm prone to believe that road conditions combined with limited experience (for those conditions) are what caused the situation to be resolved as it did. The only thing to do is be thankfull noone was hurt, and learn. Hopefully the same thing won't happen a second time... Brian McCoy - just some punk kid who can't really ride so you can ignore all this anyway. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 17:02:52 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15525 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-200.patriot.net [209.249.180.200]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31906 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:02:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2D945.CDBED873@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:57:41 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speaking of weather.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rain this AM and weatherhead predictions of Dennis and more cruddy weather, so I decide to take the rack off my bike for a bit of maintenance. Lemme tell you, removing the rack on a Hawg is like rolling in pig swill. The damn thing is mounted on the upper shock mount and basically requires removing dozens of bolts and gidgy-gadjet and gee-gaws. This, as you can well imagine, involved language not suitable for young `uns. So I get the frigging thing off *pant pant* and .... ??? Whutthehell ??? The sun is out!!! The roads in my hood are dry!!! This weather event, as you can well imagine, involved several more verbal tirades which would have a made a seasoned sailor blush. One might ask why remove the rack at all? The chromed sheet metal base and tag backet was rusting on the underside. Okay, fixing rust only seen by snakes and little varmits is kind of anal, but I HATE rust. Besides, what else to do on a crappy rainy day? Oh yeah, watch the sun shine ... Grrrr... Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 17:10:34 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15617 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-200.patriot.net [209.249.180.200]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA32306; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:10:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2DB12.B360B562@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 17:05:22 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Now: Riding in Groups - WAS: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From reading Mark's post, I'm sure he succumbed to the dreaded *wet spot*. Scanning ahead for sand, gravel, oil, leaves, and wet spots is routine, but on sharp curves such thangs can surprise you. Having used my butt for an impromptu sled a few times, I've devoloped the wussy approach - if I don't know what's ahead I'm riding dog slow. Us old farts don't bounce as well as you young `uns. Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > I can see a valid argument from both Bill and Genna... Sure, in a perfect > world we all ride our own pace and everyone's comfortable with that... In > THIS world, even if you're an experienced ride, you can and do feel the > pangs of attempting to keep up with the fastest guy (or continue being the > fastest guy - or gal). It happens, maybe not everytime, but everyones > guilty of it to some degree. > > Now, traditionally I take a persons word for straight up truth unless I have > reason otherwise.. Mark's never given reason - so I'm prone to believe that > road conditions combined with limited experience (for those conditions) are > what caused the situation to be resolved as it did. The only thing to do is > be thankfull noone was hurt, and learn. Hopefully the same thing won't > happen a second time... > > Brian McCoy - just some punk kid who can't really ride so you can ignore all > this anyway. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 20:28:56 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18533 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-36-251.s251.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.36.251]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23732 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D30AF8.FD56EADB@erols.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:29:44 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: <199909052300.TAA17218@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > After passing Cooter?s store we began to climb the famous Route 211. > > I was riding well, finally able to ignore the rider in front of me and > concentrate on my own groove. As we approached the first turn, I braked > hard since my speed was too high. The corner WAS tight, but I took it > without any problems. I remember congratulating myself on taking the > corner faster and more leaned over than I usually do. > > As anyone who has ridden 211 knows, the next turn is never far away. I > immediately found myself in an fairly sharp right-hander. I was in the far > right lane of a three-lane (2 lanes going up, one down) decreasing > radius turn. > > What happened next is still very unclear. What I do remember is that > while leaned far over, the rear tire started slipping and sliding out. I do > not usually (ever) slide the rear tire so this was a totally foreign (and > scary) experience. For a split second, I panicked. I unwisely decided to > grab the front brake, in hopes the bike would stand up a bit and stop > sliding. Well, this was probably not the right thing to do. As soon as > the brakes engaged, I began to drift over into the next lane. Instead of > stabilizing, I was headed straight for the opposite guard rail. > > Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really grabbed > the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out completely. > The bike lowsided and hit the pavement in the first third of the far left > (oncoming) lane. My body (right leg) hit the pavement with the VFR on > top of me. We slid a short distance across the pavement, until the bike > separated from me and hit the guardrail. I came to rest on my back, in > the left median. > > As I sat there, some shock set in, but I realized how lucky I > was. If a car had been coming in the opposite direction, I would be > dead or paralyzed?period. > > As we were about to get out of there, a fire truck showed up. Following > a brief consultation, the ambulance was cancelled. Unfortunately, the police > then arrived and proceeded to write me a ticket for RECKLESS DRIVING. > What crap. I will be going to court in hopes of having it reduced, but with > 6 points of my license (speeding in a cage) I am not hopeful of getting it > dismissed. The state trooper explained that he was writing me a ticket > since they see a lot of fatal motorcycle accidents on the same turn. > So, Iam paying the price for the past sins of squids. > > LESSONS LEARNED: > > #1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, #2, don?t let riding in > a group increase one?s speed/risk taking (that is 100% my fault), #3 is > that I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my sport > riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in corners Mark, I'm glad to hear that your protective gear did its job. A couple of observations on your situation, and on your lessons learned... (I don't post often to the list - too busy - but many of you probably know me. Riding 21 years in the DC Area, MSF Instructor for seven years, racing an EX500 in CCS and WERA this year) First, you deserved the ticket for reckless driving, it was not crap, and you were not paying the price for the past sins of squids. When you crash your bike on the public road in a single vehicle accident, without a mechanical failure or animal strike or the like, there is no one to blame but yourself. If you exceed the envelope and crash, you are riding in a reckless manner. You pointed out that if a car had been coming the other way, you might have been sturck by the car and suffered more extensive injuries, or been killed. However, did you consider that another motor- cyclist may have been coming the other way? That rider might have been injured or killed by your failure to maintain control of your bike. For that matter, an oncoming car might have swerved to avoid you and gone off the road or hit another car, injuring and/or killing other people. Second, even if there is ZERO chance of rain, you should always maintain a margin for error on the public roads. Taking corners faster and more leaned ever than you ever have is a very good thing to practice - on the racetrack. As you demonstrated in your accident, it is very difficult to tell whether you have a margin, or - if you can - how large the margin is when you're riding on the street in essentially non-repeatable circumstances. I agree 100% with your Lesson #1 and Lesson #2. I also agree with lesson #3 as far as you needing more rider training. If you have not yet taken the ERC, please do so as soon as you have your bike back together. You should also look into a track school if you are interested in aggressive sport riding. Once again, I'm glad you weren't hurt badly. The bike can be fixed. Tim Morrow MSF#21769 CCS Am/WERA Nov #432 -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 5 21:05:26 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@[216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19157 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fryer (adsl3-249.cais.com [209.8.158.249]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA10379 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:05:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990905205141.00b94820@pop.obscure.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:05:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Riding in Groups In-Reply-To: <37D2B996.244C4654@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:42 PM 9/5/99 -0400, you wrote: >BUT... single file, which is the usual style when on the twisties, doesn't >solve >the problem of a rider who is past the edge of his/her skill but feels a *need* >to keep up. In a perfect world the aforementioned rider would bail out and meet >the group at the next fuel/rest stop, but the desire to not look like a weenie >usually overrules. An interesting method for group riding that I've experienced and, frankly, have come to really like... have a relatively experienced person leading the ride, keep the group fairly small. Put less experienced people back some, give everyone lots of space. Avoid passing each other and remember to stay OFF of other people's tails. And then... the leader rides at their experience level in the twisties (Ie approaching as fast as they're comfortable with) and SLOWS DOWN in the straights, allowing other folks to catch up, if needed. This way, everyone can enjoy the ride, no one gets left behind. Everyone rides at a pace that is comfortable to their experience level. Other tips, based on experience... use your turn signals and telegraph lane changes. Point out dirt, gravel and crap in the road so that riders behind can anticipate. When on the slab, the front rider and the sweep rider work together to keep the group together... controling the lane from in front and from behind the group. Breaks can be madated by whoever has the smallest gas tank. IE, in a group consisting of a Honda CBR-XX, 2 VFR's and a Honda CB-1... the CB-1 has a range of about 70 to 90 miles, which works out to be a nice time to take a break. It all takes some practice, and some communication, but I actually somewhat prefer to ride in a group than just on my own. -- "We've met the Enemy and He is Us." Walt Kelly From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 00:30:55 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22777 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.200] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A34EA11F00E8; Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: <37D34367.C944C23A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:30:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of weather.... References: <37D2D945.CDBED873@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > Besides, what else to do on a crappy rainy day? Oh yeah, > watch the sun shine ... > Grrrr... Bill, Here I thought I was the only one who had days like that... :) Thanks for the chuckle! Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - BugSlayer II - BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) - GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 09:19:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02739 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03870 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25213 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-45-16.s16.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.45.16]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28135 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bef849$316d4ba0$c4cbfea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Crash on 211/ I should read closer! Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:21:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I've gotten a little lazy recently and didn't realize until just now where the recently discussed crash occurred. Yes, the guy Randy mention was me, and I believe I crashed in the turn preceding the one in question. After reading about the accident, I am fairly sure that had I negotiated my corner, I likely would have gone down in the same place as Mark. And as good a track rider I like to think I am, those skills weren't helping me that day. My downfall was going too fast on a road I was unfamiliar with. I have some of the things mentioned in earlier posts - comfort with sliding (2 years motocross), track time and experience leaning/draggin knees, parts etc. Which was all well and good, except that I was pushing myself on an unfamiliar road. Mark's comment rings true to me, something to the effect of "congratulating myself for going faster and leaning further than before" I know that feeling from pushing myself, my limits on the street. Thats the root of the problem for me. I've crashed twice by myself on the street, and it was due to trying to push my limits. I have to agree with Tim, that if you were pushing it, as your post suggests, you were being reckless. I guess the only places I feel congratulations for feats of speed/lean are appropriate is the track. If you get that feeling on the road you are going to fast. Like Mark, I stuffed it under a guard rail, and walked away with only a bruise or two, a couple dents, and $500 radiator bill. I was very lucky. The worst part was calling my wife from the little store at the bottom of the hill (the owner, by the way, was a very cool and helpful guy) and the embarrassment of Julie Moran and my wife coming out to pick me up. So in short, I am just trying to warn people from the mistakes I have made, that if during a ride you find that you are consciously having to tell yourself to look through a corner simply to make it through, slow down! Good judgement BEFORE a corner is worth way more than all the skill and training in the world once your IN that corner. Jonathan Broga From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 10:21:51 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03823 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vFMOa09417 (4234); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d3e50fa.250527ad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:20:29 EDT Subject: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 SEPTEMBER 19, 1999 RIDE FOR KIDS (DETAILS BELOW) http://www.ride4kids.org **REGISTRATION VOLUNTEERS DESPARATELY NEEDED** From: RRumbleBee (please contact Jackie at this e-mail address if you're able to help out or have questions) Lee, mind passing this along to anyone you think is fun enough to join us. The bigger the group, the less any ONE person's voice will matter. Volume over quality anytime!!!!! Thanks Who's full of fun and adventure. We have an opportunity to be on TV! Monday September 13th from Jimmmy's in Fells Point on Channel 13. We'd have to be there at 5:30 a.m. and we would be done by 6:30 a.m.--so, everyone could still get to work. Rain or shine, we would gather and sing "Manic Monday"--you know by the Bangles. It could be GREAT FUN! The point is we get to tell them a little about Ride for Kids. I think you get breakfast afterwards. Must know IMMEDIATELY if anyone is interested. I CAN E-MAIL YOU THE WORDS--we can use cheat sheets that morning. I will provide directions if I get replies. THANKS FROM THE KIDS AND ME. j COLUMBIA MALL Rain or Shine (I'll be in a cage w/one drop!) GRAND PRIZE -- HONDA MOTORCYCLE Start: 8:00 a.m. Registration CLOSES: 9:45 a.m. Road Ride Starts: 10:00 a.m. SHARP! Free coffee/donuts and light lunch For more info and registration, you can: Call 1.800.253.6530, write to our own Jackie Cooke at (rrumblebee@XXXXXX) or log onto their Web site at http://www.ride4kids.org Hope to see you on the 19th for a ride you won't soon forget! Ride Safely, lbb From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 11:21:11 1999 Return-Path: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail3.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04740 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) From: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail2.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.101]) by inetmail3.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2607.0) id RDS2KD35; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:20:46 -0400 Received: from Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com (LYNSMTP1 [167.241.105.221]) by inetmail2.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id SCF5AWV2; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:20:47 -0400 Received: by Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567E4.00544951 ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:20:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567E4.0052A747.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:18:10 -0400 Subject: 97' Yamaha YZF1000R 4-Sale Todays Styling & Performance without Todays Price! 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P (301)521-4622 Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 17:20:35 1999 Return-Path: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10706 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX Received: from ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2SRGa16287 (3966) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:19:42 EDT Subject: BMW R1100RTL For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 1996 BMW R1100RTL (radio-equipped model) for sale. Low milage, perfect condition, many extras. Email privately for details to ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX. Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 6 19:16:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12636 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06354 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06680 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vAXQa06252 (3927) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12686b70.2505a537@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:16:07 EDT Subject: 2- 99 GSXR750's for sale. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 243 My buddy's was bought back in febuary and has 7200 miles on it. It is in stock form except for the scratches on the fairings (minimal). Mine was bought only about three months ago and has 4200 miles on it. Mostly highway (32 miles to work and back). I have a D&D CF slip on, K&N filter, Corbin CF leather seat, Intuitive Fairing protectors(never had to use em), Carbon look bar-ends, and hyper-white and hyper-yellow bulbs in it. Also, it has a Eurobikes undertail kit installed(looks sweet). Both Bikes are Blue and white, have clean titles, and need to be sold asap. We both have new bikes coming in later this season and dont wanna take trade-in $. So, if anyone is serious please feel free to call me about both bikes at 410-961-4348. I dont get online much anymore so I probably wont get your email. Sean G. Petr 410-961-4348 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 00:34:06 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA17746 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14597 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 04:35:35 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 04:35:35 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA30148; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:30:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:30:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199909070430.AAA30148@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Speaking of weather.... On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:57:41 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >Besides,what else to do on a crappy rainy day? Oh yeah, watch the sun shine ... >Grrrr... I feel your pain,brother. Was going to go on Mark's ride Sat morning,but I didn't get much sleep Fri(I work graveyard shift). Didn't think a 'spirited' ride would be a good idea on autopilot,so I just went home and went to bed with the intention of going on a solo ride later. Woke up to rain. Rain forcasted for Sun,so I let the girls at the part-time job talk me into working. Walk out of the apt Sun to light rain. By the time I'd gone a block the sun was out. All day I kept poking my head out of the store to see sunshine coming through the skylight. With my work schedule,I only have weekends off twice every two months,so the rain they're forcasting for this Fri means I'm prolly SOL until the end of Oct. 4300 miles on the Dyna,and it came with 2500. :-P The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 09:38:03 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28928 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-47.patriot.net [209.249.180.47]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16363; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37D513F4.EC8DE173@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:32:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of weather.... References: <199909070430.AAA30148@web2.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Work sucks. Did you hear the latest report that USA workers more hours/wk than any other slaves in industrialized nations? We're also less productive. Like get a clue! Burned out workers don't produce! We need play-time - recess - and an afternoon nap! And of course - time to ride. Bill Gil Nissley wrote: > I feel your pain,brother. Was going to go on Mark's ride Sat morning,but I didn't get much sleep Fri(I work graveyard shift). Didn't think a 'spirited' ride would be a good idea on autopilot,so I just went home and went to bed with the intention of going on a solo ride later. Woke up to rain. Rain forcasted for Sun,so I let the girls at the part-time job talk me into working. Walk out of the apt Sun to light rain. By the time I'd gone a block the sun was out. All day I kept poking my head out of the store to see sunshine coming through the skylight. With my work schedule,I only have weekends off twice every two months,so the rain they're forcasting for this Fri means I'm prolly SOL until the end of Oct. > 4300 miles on the Dyna,and it came with 2500. :-P > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 10:03:11 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29400 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Tue, 7 Sep 99 14:02:49 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa001N5; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:02:41 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:02:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: If only Gil hadn't had so many problems.. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:02:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) then this would be an interesting temptation.. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7304/buell.html Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 10:37:43 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29992 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA26583; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:37:21 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma013991; Tue, 7 Sep 99 10:23:59 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHP00EEJ1H2YQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E5.004EFC4F ; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:22:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:21:34 -0400 Subject: Call for a lawyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E5.004EEF66.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Due to the fact that I cannot afford 6 points on my liscense, I may need to hire a lawyer to fight my crash ticket. Can anyone please recommend a good traffic or even motorcycle-specifc attorney. Any idea of costs? Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 11:14:50 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00682 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:42:21 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:42:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:42:50 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjay@XXXXXX Subject: bike cover question -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I work in Herdon and live in Falls Church, but I avoid any bike shop that insists on collecting my personal information for their mailing list when I am paying cash. Michael, If that's a problem, why not give 'em a bogus name and address? Bill Zeebub One Avenue of the Damned Hell, Universe 66666 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 11:36:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01118 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10402 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA27633 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:36:20 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:47:27 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:47:44 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: TINATRIP@XXXXXX, denizen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: STOLEN 48 PAN -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'd also make up a batch of fliers and post them in every Harley dealer and Harley-oriented shop you can find. The scumbags will probably break it down and try to sell the parts. At least the stuff w/o VIN nos. Good luck. Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 11:48:51 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01285 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:47:59 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:47:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:48:06 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Subject: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. Mark, The fact that you crashed is PROOF that you were reckless? Or did you admit something to The Man? He didn't witness it? Does he have witnessess testifying against you? How do they get away with this Gestapo crap? It's gotta be beatable, or am I missing something? Joe (and yes, that is a gnarly road!) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 12:34:07 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02161 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:33:09 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:33:07 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:32:49 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: phil@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX Subject: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'm planning to ride this, and still open to suggestions re: where to stay sat nite. Don't need anything fancy, but secure moto parking would be a big plus. Joe (riding up from Richmond area) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 12:40:45 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02275 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA02015; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:41:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa14583; Tue, 7 Sep 99 12:22:58 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHP00FD36ZAVE@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E5.0059DFD0 ; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:21:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: JOE NAGY Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E5.0059D3F2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road caused my rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make me look guilty? Mark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington DC/C&L/US@C&L US cc: From: JOE NAGY Date: 09/07/99 03:48:06 PM GMT Subject: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. Mark, The fact that you crashed is PROOF that you were reckless? Or did you admit something to The Man? He didn't witness it? Does he have witnessess testifying against you? How do they get away with this Gestapo crap? It's gotta be beatable, or am I missing something? Joe (and yes, that is a gnarly road!) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 13:06:54 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02754 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA25293; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:07:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: JOE NAGY cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjay@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike cover question -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, JOE NAGY wrote: > > > I work in Herdon and live in Falls Church, but I > avoid any bike shop that insists on collecting > my personal information for their mailing list > when I am paying cash. What do you mean "insists"? In the words of our illustrious national anti-drug campaign, "Just Say No". > > Michael, If that's a problem, why not give 'em a bogus name and > address? Why bother? See above. > > Bill Zeebub > One Avenue of the Damned > Hell, Universe 66666 > Can't find this address in my mapping program; should I spring for an upgrade? --garcia "Hey! Where are we going? And why are we in this handbasket?" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:05:16 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03902 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77116 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 1999 18:04:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990907180441.77115.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.248.58.177 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:04:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.248.58.177] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX Subject: Re: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** -Reply Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:04:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed We should get a list of people that are going. Then we should all meet up to make a good showing for DC cycles. If you have never been it is a very worth while cause. Dan Kenney 1997TL1000s >From: JOE NAGY >To: phil@XXXXXX, A65Shari@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, >ADonne2346@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, >Bbmargie@XXXXXX, BLUEYE666@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, >Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, >DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, Dmrdms@XXXXXX, DynaHog@XXXXXX, > Fallingnow@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, >HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, >LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Livinlif41@XXXXXX, >MDrey1998@XXXXXX, Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, RGReaper@XXXXXX, >RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Suthrnpryd@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, >Waltrich1@XXXXXX, Wishn4him@XXXXXX, nobr8nr@XXXXXX, >rosie@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, >randy@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, >Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, >bob.graham@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX >Subject: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** -Reply >Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:32:49 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 07 09:44:52 1999 >Received: from [209.116.254.17] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >MHotMailB99E8C00000CD82197F1D174FE1109E00; Tue Sep 07 09:44:52 1999 >Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com >[205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02161 for >; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:34:06 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail.martinagency.com([205.161.207.98])by >iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:33:09 -0400 >Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.comwith >Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:33:07 -0400 >Message-Id: >X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 > >I'm planning to ride this, and still open to suggestions re: where to >stay sat nite. Don't need anything fancy, but secure moto parking would >be a big plus. > >Joe (riding up from Richmond area) > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:09:34 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@XXXXXX [216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03974 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [216.181.79.203]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA29633; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:09:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply In-Reply-To: <852567E5.0059D3F2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 > From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > To: JOE NAGY > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply > > I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road caused my > rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). > > What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make > me look guilty? If you can afford it, I'm all over having a lawyer. The long term benefit for things like insurance, is well worth the short term cost of paying the retainer and so on. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:41:24 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04681 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11985 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** -Reply In-Reply-To: <19990907180441.77115.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am currently planning on attending the RFK. Not sure yet if I'll be on the 650 or the GPz. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:45:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04845 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD3BB450256; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:45:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990907144426.00d1d100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:46:56 -0400 To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990904085632.009b63c0@pop.obscure.org> References: <199909031901.PAA30685@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:11 AM 9/4/99 , Dan Brown wrote: >This particular wreck happened after a long day, returning from a >weekend ride in North Carolina. He was on backroads in unfamiliar >territory and it had started lightly raining. He came around a turn >and saw the jeep. He was in his lane, but felt he was farther out than >he wanted to be, put a bit more lean into the bike and just lost >traction. A LEO later said something like "You're the fourth person >this month who's lost it on this curve." I hope he slows down the next time he has all those things stacked against him - 1. He's tired 2. He's on back roads. 3. He's in unfamiliar territory. 4. It's raining. >"We've met the Enemy and He is Us." > Walt Kelly You got that right. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1990 Honda PC800, 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 14:48:38 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04886 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990907184803.8482.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.249] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:48:03 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:48:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think cops just write out these tickets because some people will just pay them, not knowing they can get them dropped in court because the officer didn't witness the incident. Therefor they write out the ticket and possibly raise another $200+ for the state. Also if they have quota's then, they're one ticket closer. but anyway.. You should look up the law and see how reckless driving is defined. I doubt what you told him would qualify. Also do you know if those 6 points are mandatory or discretionary? Will there be any immediate effects of those 6 points? If not, you could always represent yourself for now, and if you lose, then hire a lawyer for an appeal. Do you know if the officer talked to any other people? even if he did, they'd have to testify in court I believe, so he can't use their testimony as far as I know. (because you have a right to confront those who testify against you) Simply having an accident isn't proof of reckless driving. I do think I recall something about "driving too fast for road conditions" can legally be defined as speeding even if it's under the posted limit. Check the definition of the speeding statute as well. As far as hiring a lawyer, no it doens't make you look guilty, it makes you look intelligent, and respectful of the courts authority. The lawyer may not cost all that much, and even though I think you can get the case dropped, a lawyer probably increases the probability of such. If you make a comfortable living, it might be worth it. I personally don't have money to spare right now, and would just go, and ask that the case be dismissed since the state has no witnesses. I doubt anyone would go to court to testify for a traffic ticket on the states behalf. I also believe someone here said they would go to court on your behalf. A witness on your behalf goes a long way. I'd just go to court, ask that the case be dismissed, and be ready to very simply and briefly explain what happened, in a non incriminating manor. You might or might not want to add "in my panic I grabbed the front brake which caused my front wheel to skid and the bike when down and we slid over to the guard rail" I think a panic reaction isn't reckless driving, but check the definition yourself first, before you decide to use it. I think if the judge knows you knew exactly what your mistake was, he might be more believing that you know what you were talking about and give you credibility for your testimony. I'd also state I wasn't driving recklessly and I have a witness who would be willing to testify. That should be enough in my oppinion. If you have some spare time, you could always go sit in court and witness what goes on. You always want to request that the case be dismissed for lack of witnesses on the states behalf and that you have a witness, as telling what happened may actually give the judge grounds to convict. So one of the first things to come out of your mouth should be the request that the charges be dropped as the officer didnt' witness it. Also are you absolutely sure he didn't witness it, like there were no areas where he could have had a view from a far? Anyway, disclaimer, I'm no lawyer, (although I was majoring in legal studies and may persue that) and I'm mostly presenting ideas from my own observations/experience. I've presented ideas some may be wise, or unwise, so pick and choose whatever you like, one, some, all, or none. Do look up the laws though. oh btw I think you can look them up online, maybe someone can post the url yet once again. Let us know how things develop, and what you decide. Daniel 91 ex250 > I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road > caused my > rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). > > What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a > lawyer make > me look guilty? > > Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 15:00:47 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05192 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990907190012.948.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.249] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:00:12 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: Dan Brown , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Cc: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes if you can afford it. One of my sayings is... "Life costs". And so sometimes I'll just go ahead and pay whatever.. I think of it as just a tax on being alive. Money comes and goes anyway. (although i'm a firm believer in saving up money). If I never made a good investment, never won a dime, never found a dime.. I don't know that I'd work a full week to pay the lawyer, but if I could recall how easily I have raised that amount, then it'd be easier on my conscious to pay the lawyer, and think how money comes and goes.. I used to be a cheap skate, I'm not big spender, but now I'm willing to pay extra for some things that are worth it, and pay that tax on life :) --- Dan Brown wrote: > > > On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 > > From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > > To: JOE NAGY > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply > > > > I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road > caused my > > rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). > > > > What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a > lawyer make > > me look guilty? > > If you can afford it, I'm all over having a lawyer. The long term > benefit > for things like insurance, is well worth the short term cost of > paying the > retainer and so on. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 15:09:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05320 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2C357F0166; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:08:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990907144706.00d39a40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:09:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) In-Reply-To: <852567E3.0054881D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:22 AM 9/5/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >What happened next is still very unclear. What I do remember is that while >leaned far over, the rear tire started slipping and sliding out. Clearly, you were going too fast for the conditions. >make a long story short, the bike was pushed from under the guardrail and >started. As I sat there, some shock set in, but I realized how lucky I >was. If a car had been coming in the opposite direction, I would be dead >or paralyzed?period. You're also lucky you didn't hurt some innocent person - another biker, or a cager who might wreck to avoid killing you. >As we were about to get out of there, a fire truck showed up. Following a >brief consultation, the ambulance was cancelled. Unfortunately, the police >then arrived and proceeded to write me a ticket for RECKLESS >DRIVING. What crap. Why is that? > I will be going to court in hopes of having it reduced, but with 6 >points of my license (speeding in a cage) I am not hopeful of getting it >dismissed. Maybe you need to slow down. >The state trooper explained that he was writing me a ticket >since they see a lot of fatal motorcycle accidents on the same turn. So, I >am paying the price for the past sins of squids. No, you're lucky you didn't die -- you paid a cheap price for your lesson. By the way, what's your definition of a squid? >LESSONS LEARNED: > >#1 is watch it if there is even a hint of rain, Don't limit your caution to possible rainy days. There's a lot more hazards out there than rain, and a lot of ways a road can be wet and slippery with no rain. >#3 is that >I need more rider training. I have been reading and practising my sport >riding this season, but I still have trouble pushing my lean in corners. >My braking was a result of panic and inexperience with sliding. Perhaps a racetrack school would help you in judgement and skill. Your riding seems more suited to a racetrack than a public road. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 15:25:07 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@XXXXXX [216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05629 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [216.181.79.203]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA00180 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:24:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990907144426.00d1d100@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:46:56 -0400 > From: Chris Norloff > To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: (Fwd) Looking for a Lawyer > > At 09:11 AM 9/4/99 , Dan Brown wrote: > >This particular wreck happened after a long day, returning from a > >weekend ride in North Carolina. He was on backroads in unfamiliar > >territory and it had started lightly raining. He came around a turn > >and saw the jeep. He was in his lane, but felt he was farther out than > >he wanted to be, put a bit more lean into the bike and just lost > >traction. A LEO later said something like "You're the fourth person > >this month who's lost it on this curve." > > I hope he slows down the next time he has all those things stacked against > him - > 1. He's tired > 2. He's on back roads. > 3. He's in unfamiliar territory. > 4. It's raining. Seeing as neither of us were there, neither of us has the facts, only what he's told us. I personally believe that, while Dave was known to have ridden like a bat out of hell, he was a very capable rider, who knew his limits, and in this case just over estimated the condition of his environment (road, bike, awareness etc) by just enough to wreck. I'd guess that in similar conditions, I'd not have handled things even as well as he did, and would have likely been a hood ornament. If, hopefully when, he returns to the road, I'm quite sure he will be a much different rider. Last I heard, however, he still had some amount of paralysis in one leg or foot, so riding wasn't even a possibility for now. There's a lot that he's learned, and plenty that we can learn too. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 16:12:10 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06528 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:11:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Leather Pants Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:11:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain FYI, from another list. I've seen them and they look as good as they could -- on a guy Carl in Bethesda Product Report: Leather Pants ====================== Just before I headed out for the shakedown, my wife came to me with a UPS package. I *love* it when the UPS guy shows up, it's like a little bit of Christmas year-round. Anyway, the package contained the leather pants I ordered from LinkAmerica. You may remember I posted about a week or so ago that I had come across what could be a smokin' deal on some heavyweight leather riding pants - only $78 + shipping. I figgered yeah, right, how good could they be? But I took the opportunity to call 'em and talked to one of the owners. He swore they were good quality and good heavy material, and that the markup on leather products was astronomical, yadda, yadda. Bottom line, I ordered two pairs, one 38 and one 40 waist - he said to order the next size up from your regular pants, but I hedged my bets. I'm here to tell ya that these pants are *not* a smokin' deal. They are a SMOKIN' DEAL! I cannot fookin' believe they cost as little as they do. A description is in order: Nice, heavyweight (approx. 1.3 mm) black leather. Despite the fact that it is fairly thick, the leather is very supple. They were comfortable the first time I put them on. They have two snaps securing the waist backed up by a built in belt with a nice metal roller buckle. There are three ribbed stretch panels: 1 across the back where your cakes meet your waist, and one on the outside of each leg starting just below the waist and extending down to about three inches above the knee. This allows the pants to stretch with your movements on the bike. Even the lining is stretchy in these spots to accomodate the panels - pretty good attention to detail. There is double leather on the knees with a soft foam padding in between the leather. Each leg also has a zipper starting at the ankle and going up about 9 inches. The zipper encloses a leather v-panel, allowing the pants to fit over cowboy and engineer boots. The back side of the legs starting at the ankle and running vertically for about 10 inches has a series of thin vertical stretch panels with leather strips separating them, pretty nice looking. The backs of the knees have a 4"x3" stretchy panel in lieu of leather, doesn't bunch up like leather would. There is also a zipper on the back of the waist for attaching the pants to a jacket. The pants are fully lined, have a nice zipper up front for takin' care of bidness at the restroom, and they have two zipper covered diagonal hand pockets perfectly placed for you pocket-poolers out there. And speaking of pocket pool, perhaps the coolest part about these pants, except for the price, was the fact they didn't *once* pinch my boys during the shakedown ride. Even my best stretch jeans have been known snag a 'nad once in a while, that'll fuck up yer late apex *every* time! I will not claim these pants are the equal of Vansons or summat, but I can buy 4 pairs of these for the price of one pair of Vansons. Or one pair of these and that $130 jacket this dude is hawking and I've got a full leather suit for approx. $210. For those of you out there riding with no/marginal gear - this is your wakeup call. You can't afford to not have something like this. And all I'm asking is a measly $5.00 a pant or jacket for turning you onto it . Just send that fiver, and your Koss Plug $1.00 spiff directly to me... http://www.linkamerica.com/products.html choose MC/Leather From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 16:15:03 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com (na-ex-bridge1.nai.com [208.228.228.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06615 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:16:29 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28C7@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: mjay@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike cover question -Reply Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:07:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I work in Herdon and live in Falls Church, but I >avoid any bike shop that insists on collecting >my personal information for their mailing list >when I am paying cash. Some time ago, I went into the Radio Shack in the mall to pick up a battery for a remote control unit. I grabbed one off the display stand and walked over to the counter where a smiling sales droid waited. I put the battery down, he picked it up and asked me for my phone number. I looked at him and said: "I'm not interested in a relationship, just a battery." He kind of blinked, surprised like, then shrugged and rang me up. I paid my $1.63 (or whatever) and left the store. No big deal. So, unless the person requesting your phone number is an attractive member of your preferred gender, just say no. Of course if the person *is* an attractive member of your preferred gender, you could always ask for his/her phone number... ;^) Perry From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 16:20:40 1999 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06693 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:20:39 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2EQFef0.E_ (4573) for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:18:38 EDT Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 9/7/99 12:47:36 Eastern Daylight Time, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: << What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make me look guilty? >> Reckless stays on your record for eleven (that is, 11) YEARS. Go for the paid mouthpiece Michael (I have one on mine - $54 fine, but the Reckless charge stayed (no lawyer)) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 16:32:28 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06856 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:31:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199909071631.AA132088@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 > Does a lawyer make me look guilty? I have this sudden vision of OJ and Johnnie Cochran... :) Even if it does, a lawyer might be able to get you off, or get the charge reduced to "failure to maintain control" or something. Still not cheap, but think of the insurance implications down the road if the reckless charge sticks. That crap haunts you for years... Good luck, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 17:59:35 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08265 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA07462 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005301bef97c$cd7af180$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Subject: Ride report 9/7/99 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:03:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEF95B.46156520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEF95B.46156520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang! Thought I would take the VFR out for a nice spin today. I have been = waiting all weekend to ride her since changing the chain and sprockets = as well as performing some other needed maintenance. Even though the = day started out a little cloudy I was greeted by warm sunshine and cool = temperatures. I took the standard 55 out to 647 to 211 route. I found that the roads = did not fair too well from the weekends storms. There were many patches = of sand and debris on 647 and 211. In fact most of 211 was on the east = bound side was covered in debris. This made for a couple of rather = hairy situations but skills combined with good sense got me through it = without even a sweat. As usual 211 was awesome despite the debris and I = was really able to enjoy myself. What was even better was the lack of = "dick measuring" that usually accompanies a lot of group rides. =20 At the bottom of the mountain I stopped on 211 Business to get a bite to = eat at the local Pizza Hut. I usually hate these places but I was = starving and it was the only thing that looked good. Inside, the people = were really nice and the pizza was surprisingly good! Oh well... can't = sit too long as there is still 678 to tackle on the other side of Luray! = I ate, gassed up the VFR, and was on my way again. Took 211 to Luray caverns and then headed toward the Luray Airport = (field). I then went and picked up 675... another good road with a = breath taking view of the valley. I wanted to stop at the overlook but = there was a group of folks with horses there so I motored on by quietly. = Had a little bit of fun with a Mustang GT on 675 until he couldn't take = it anymore and let me go on by. He was doing OK but once he let me by I = did not see him again. From 675 I took 678 which is a nice and twisty = fast road that runs through the George Washington National Forest. On = the map this road is shown having many switch-backs. Riding it does not = disappoint. =20 Once I was finished with 678... it ends at 55 (?)... I got back on 55 = heading toward Front Royal and then jumped on I-66 to get away from the = Front Royal area. I then got back on 55 again to ride my favorite = sweeper heading back towards Haymarket. There was actually some stupid = lady who thought she could run with me through the sweeper (she was = driving a Pontiac Bonneville). She was with me until I poured the coals = to it and then she, just as the Mustang had, became a distant memory. = :-) =20 At the intersection of 55 and 15 I decided to get back on I-66 for the = journey back to Arlington so that I could avoid rush hour traffic. I = hate slabbing it but I also needed to use the restroom and thought that = the I-66 Rest Area would be appropriate. Anyway... quick stop there to = use the facilities and call Jeannette and back on the road again I went. = Back to the reality of Arlington. For anyone who is interested... I will be off tomorrow as well and = seeing as how the weather is looking pretty good I will probably go out = for another ride. Send me an e-mail if you feel like playing hooky with = me! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEF95B.46156520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi gang!
 
Thought I would take the VFR out for a nice spin = today. =20 I have been waiting all weekend to ride her since changing the chain and = sprockets as well as performing some other needed maintenance.  = Even though=20 the day started out a little cloudy I was greeted by warm sunshine and = cool=20 temperatures.
 
I took the standard 55 out to 647 to 211 = route. =20 I found that the roads did not fair too well from the weekends = storms.  There were many patches of sand and debris on 647 and = 211. =20 In fact most of 211 was on the east bound side was covered in = debris.  This=20 made for a couple of rather hairy situations but skills combined = with good=20 sense got me through it without even a sweat.  As usual 211 was = awesome=20 despite the debris and I was really able to enjoy myself.  What was = even=20 better was the lack of "dick measuring" that usually accompanies a lot = of group=20 rides. 
 
At the bottom of the mountain I stopped on 211 = Business to get=20 a bite to eat at the local Pizza Hut.  I usually hate these places = but I=20 was starving and it was the only thing that looked good.  Inside, = the=20 people were really nice and the pizza was surprisingly good!  Oh = well...=20 can't sit too long as there is still 678 to tackle on the other side of=20 Luray!  I ate, gassed up the VFR, and was on my way = again.
 
Took 211 to Luray caverns and then headed toward the = Luray=20 Airport (field).  I then went and picked up 675... another good = road with a=20 breath taking view of the valley.  I wanted to stop at the overlook = but=20 there was a group of folks with horses there so I motored on by = quietly. =20 Had a little bit of fun with a Mustang GT on 675 until he couldn't take = it=20 anymore and let me go on by.  He was doing OK but once he let me by = I did=20 not see him again.  From 675 I took 678 which is a nice and twisty = fast=20 road that runs through the George Washington National Forest.  On = the map=20 this road is shown having many switch-backs.  Riding it does not=20 disappoint. 
 
Once I was finished with 678... it ends at 55 (?)... = I got=20 back on 55 heading toward Front Royal and then jumped on I-66 to get = away from=20 the Front Royal area.  I then got back on 55 again to ride my = favorite=20 sweeper heading back towards Haymarket.  There was actually some = stupid=20 lady who thought she could run with me through the sweeper (she was = driving a=20 Pontiac Bonneville).  She was with me until I poured the coals to = it and=20 then she, just as the Mustang had, became a distant memory.  = :-) =20
 
At the intersection of 55 and 15 I decided to get = back on I-66=20 for the journey back to Arlington so that I could avoid rush hour = traffic. =20 I hate slabbing it but I also needed to use the restroom and thought = that the=20 I-66 Rest Area would be appropriate.  Anyway... quick stop there to = use the=20 facilities and call Jeannette and back on the road again I went.  = Back to=20 the reality of Arlington.
 
For anyone who is interested... I will be off = tomorrow as well=20 and seeing as how the weather is looking pretty good I will probably go = out for=20 another ride.  Send me an e-mail if you feel like playing hooky = with me!=20 :-)
 
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEF95B.46156520-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 18:33:23 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08888 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990907223204.407.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:32:04 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Virginia probably presumes reckless driving in a single-vehicle accident, since it presumes reckless driving for 15mph or 20mph over the limit even without an accident. Mark will have to convince the judge otherwise, but I would imagine it's next to impossible to get the ticket completely dropped without an attorney, maybe even with. See if there's a lesser charge you can plead guilty to (failure to maintain control of the vehicle? driving too fast for conditions? anything that won't stick you with the reckless charge). Admit a mistake and explain the reasons for your lesser charge in a calm, organized manner. Usually you meet with the government attorney before going before the judge -- that seems to be where the deal-making takes place. Sean Sullivan --- JOE NAGY wrote: > > PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be > appreciated. > > Mark, > The fact that you crashed is PROOF that you were > reckless? Or did you > admit something to The Man? He didn't witness it? > Does he have > witnessess testifying against you? How do they get > away with this > Gestapo crap? It's gotta be beatable, or am I > missing something? > > Joe (and yes, that is a gnarly road!) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 7 21:14:13 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f265.hotmail.com [209.185.130.181]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11535 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79914 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 01:13:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990908011334.79913.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.254.22.12 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:13:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.254.22.12] From: "Doug Allis" To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash -- find a lawyer Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:13:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Try AMA. Talk to any lawyers you know in Northern VA. Ask for referals. Check the yellow pages in the county where you crashed. Ask each lawyer you call if they handle motorcycle tickets (like how many), and other traffic tickets. Ask up front about the fee. The going rate for reckless in Fairfax 10 years ago was $750.00. Ask if they KNOW THE COP!!!! You'll be surprised how many cops and lawyers actually are friendly to each other. Direct approach would be: Call the Commonwealth Attorney's office and ask to talk to the attorney assigned to your case. Tell him that you think you can win the case against you (you do have witnesses supporting your case that you were driving in a non-reckless manor??), but MAY be willing to plea to a lessor charge (its a hassle to take off work to travel and fight). Its best to have a lawyer who knows the Commonwealth Attorney do this type of conversation though. You are paying the lawyer to increase the chance that this conversation will result in something you can easily live with. >From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX >To: JOE NAGY >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply >Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:39 -0400 > >I told him that I was going 25MPH and the the unexpected wet road caused my >rear wheel to slide out. Nothing else (that I can remember). > >What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make >me look guilty? > >Mark > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington > DC/C&L/US@C&L US >cc: >From: JOE NAGY >Date: 09/07/99 03:48:06 PM GMT >Subject: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply > > > > > >PS: Any advice on fighting the ticket would be appreciated. > >Mark, >The fact that you crashed is PROOF that you were reckless? Or did you >admit something to The Man? He didn't witness it? Does he have >witnessess testifying against you? How do they get away with this >Gestapo crap? It's gotta be beatable, or am I missing something? > >Joe (and yes, that is a gnarly road!) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 09:21:32 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user77.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.77]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25920 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:21:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567E6.00494704 ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:20:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: MJordan666@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567E6.0048BC07.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:10:48 -0400 Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline WOW!! 11 YEARS!!?? For real? Jeez, I thought credit reports were bad! : ( Thank Goddess I haven't gotten a reckless yet...I think I'll be trimming my speeds down now... ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 MJordan666@XXXXXX on 09/07/99 04:18:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply In a message dated 9/7/99 12:47:36 Eastern Daylight Time, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: << What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a lawyer make me look guilty? >> Reckless stays on your record for eleven (that is, 11) YEARS. Go for the paid mouthpiece Michael (I have one on mine - $54 fine, but the Reckless charge stayed (no lawyer)) J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 09:37:31 1999 Return-Path: whitesidej@XXXXXX Received: from web1401.mail.yahoo.com (web1401.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.165]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26153 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990908133519.28919.rocketmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1401.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 06:35:19 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > WOW!! 11 YEARS!!?? For real? Jeez, I thought > credit reports were bad! : ( > Thank Goddess I haven't gotten a reckless yet...I > think I'll be trimming my > speeds down now... ; ) Yeah, it's something to think about when you're in a hurry... is saving two minutes worth possibly 11 years of higher insurance? Usually, no. That, combined with an accident years ago that was not my fault (the other guy ran a red light), but which I could have avoided if I'd been going a little slower... and which, if I'd entered the intersection a second sooner might well have killed me... have slowed me down. Or maybe it's just what happens when you get into your thirties . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 09:48:09 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26312 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-39.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.39]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06485 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:48:06 -0400 Message-ID: <00f801befa00$92bc23a0$89a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Traffic planning meetings Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:46:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01BEF9DF.0AF368A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01BEF9DF.0AF368A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those who may not be entirely satisfied with Northern Virginia = traffic and its motorcycle accommodations: >From the Post's Dr. Gridlock of 9/6/99 (DC edition): Coming up: meetings of the Transportation Coordinating Council (TCC) of = Northern Virginia seeking public comment on a $28.7B transportation plan = for 2020 -- new highways, Metrorail, etc. etc. etc. (including "adding = pedestrian trails", so it looks mighty comprehensive). Details at = www.nova2020.org Sept. 9 Fairfax County Government Center, Rooms 9 and 10, 7:30p Sept. 14 Prince William County, 1 County Complex Court, 7:30p + five others. Call 703 383 2020 for info. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> My job's just to ride well in the present Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01BEF9DF.0AF368A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those who may not = be entirely=20 satisfied with Northern Virginia traffic and its motorcycle=20 accommodations:
 
From the Post's Dr. = Gridlock of=20 9/6/99 (DC edition):
 
Coming up:  = meetings of the=20 Transportation Coordinating Council (TCC) of Northern Virginia seeking = public=20 comment on a $28.7B transportation plan for 2020 -- new highways, = Metrorail,=20 etc. etc. etc. (including "adding pedestrian trails", so it = looks=20 mighty comprehensive).  Details at www.nova2020.org
 
Sept. 9  Fairfax = County=20 Government Center, Rooms 9 and 10, 7:30p
 
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+ five others.  = Call 703 383=20 2020 for info. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01BEF9DF.0AF368A0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 11:06:59 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27618 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:06:55 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA00210; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:06:27 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa22041; Wed, 8 Sep 99 10:57:59 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHQ00CADXPCG4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E6.00521239 ; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:56:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:55:36 -0400 Subject: Track Day Results To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E6.00520D07.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Well, as most of you know, there was a track day at Summit Point yesterday. I and several other listers participated, either by riding or cornerworking. Before I go any further, I want to extend big thanks to all cornerworkers out there - I certainly appreciate your efforts. There were several off-track excursions on the day and these were made safer by the presence of cornerworking volunteers. "Good on ya" as the Brits would say. As for my experience at the track day, it was fan-freakin'-tastic! I haven't had more fun in years. It was truly a wild experience carving through the turns without worrying about traffic, soft shoulders, wildlife, the Man, or any of the other nagging dangers of the street. As the day wore on, I found myself improving my lines and braking points. There were a few incidents of note during the day. Brian Roach showed up at lunch time and unfortunately crashed after only a few laps due to a false neutral while braking for turn one. In fact, pretty much all of the incidents happened in turn one yesterday. Turn one, for those of you who haven't been to Summit Point before, is a slow second-gear right hander after the fast 120-130mph (for me at least) front straight. During one of the afternoon sessions, the rider in front of me crashed in turn one and I target-fixated on him and ran off into the gravel. I kept the bike upright despite the efforts of the two-foot depth of gravel and I came to a slow, mushy stop. It took a cornerworker, the crashed rider, and lot of work on the part of the bike to get out of that quicksand. In the end, no damage to bike or rider, and only minimal damage to ego. I hosed the bike off from some mud I had run through and got back out in the next group C session. The rider who crashed in front of me on his F3 was also fine, with minor damage to the bike. Judging from his cursing after the get-off, I imagine there was heavy ego damage, however. The large part of the day was taken up by railing around turns at deep (for me) lean angles and high speeds. The only turn that really gave me pause was turn one. All of the other turns felt good, and I never felt nervous about them. I loved flipping the bike from full lean to full lean between turns five and six and cruising through the high speed right handers of turns nine and ten. As the day wore on, I found the bike to get very slightly wallowy in turn nine, but it wasn't something that alarmed me or altered my line or speed. During the ride home, I found myself much more confident and relaxed going through the same turns I travelled to get to the track in the morning. I felt my street riding had improved dramatically, for the time being at least. I highly recommend track days to anyone who is concerned about their skills on the street. I was worried initially about the prospect of crashing my bike, but despite my excursion into the gravel, I feel I was never on the ragged edge of control. I always felt confident about my safety level. I wouldn't have any misgivings about doing another track day in the future. It was a blast! Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 12:04:50 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28899 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id MAA00474 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:04:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:04:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Track Day Results In-Reply-To: <852567E6.00520D07.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > There were a few incidents of note during the day. Brian Roach showed up at > lunch time and unfortunately crashed after only a few laps due to a false > neutral while braking for turn one. In fact, pretty much all of the > incidents happened in turn one yesterday. Turn one, for those of you who > haven't been to Summit Point before, is a slow second-gear right hander > after the fast 120-130mph (for me at least) front straight. Tip of the day... let your motorcycle come to a full and complete stop before getting off. ;) As Chris said... you punch down 4 gears and are hard on the brakes into T1. As I let out the clutch shifting from third to second and released the front brake, to my suprise the engine braking I was expecting didn't occur. That extra 5 - 10mph is not fun. In an attempt to save it I tried to trail brake into the corner... standing it up and running off would have been a much better choice in hindsight :) The front locked up and tucked, slamming me into the pavement in somethign akin to a WWF body slam I think it was 50/50 as to which direction it was going to throw me... I think down was better. The slide wasn't too bad as my brain remembered that we needed to relax and just ride it out... I slid from the entrance of T1 past the access road, partially through the turn then out to the gravel trap. Body damage isn't too bad... bruised hip and shoulder, a burn on my right arm (not from pavement... this is impact friction with the inside of my leathers). The leathers, helmet, gloves, and boots all did their jobs quite well. The bike fared worse... the front brake master cylinder was ground down by the pavement then filled with mud in the latter part of the slide. There's dirt in the rightmost carb, and possibly in the cylinder. Bodywork is a complete loss, as well as right footpeg, clip-on, etc. Hopefully I can get the thing put back together by the 9/18 summit race, but that's going to be tough if there's dirt in the cylinder. It seems I only crash on practice days, and those are done for the year :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 13:28:50 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00453 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:27:37 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:27:36 -0400 Message-Id: <37D69D42.54A82D52@trw.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:31:03 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Day Results References: <852567E6.00520D07.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver and Brian Roach gave their summations of the Track Day festivities...I spent my day in the infield, monitoring turns 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. The only fall of the day in my corners happened just as I was arriving on station in the morning. A control rider (who should have known better) attempted to blitz a wet turn 8. The ensuing fairing test dried the turn slightly, but left a small trail of oil from the concrete patch to the outside of the track. Apparently, the F4's stock cases are only good for about 50 feet of high speed concrete dragging. No one was hurt. The bike was fixed. I got a good look at all of the riders' improvement throughout the day, with the exception of Brian, who looked very smooth before the unfortunate incident. Chris Weaver appeared very composed aboard his VTR, usually running behind the control rider at a decent clip. There was another guy with a DC Cycles liveried FZR400 who looked to be getting his feet wet to go racing. He appeared to be steadily improving. I have a couple of observations based on what I saw and the little that I know about riding fast: * Foot positioning. I saw several riders hooking their boot heels on the foot pegs and riding around with their feet hanging out. One consistently looked down in surprise every time his toe slider grounded in turn 5. I'm sure he thought he was really cranking the bike over, but he wasn't. The bike was pretty much straight up and down. Ridiculous. To turn fast, one must ride with the balls of one's feet perched firmly on the foot peg. Otherwise, you'll just grind your dang foot off. Slowly. I think toe sliders are there for when you are really leaned over and often hit after your knee sliders. * Butt positioning. This one is kinda down to personal preference, but I've found that if you move your butt off of the seat and into the inside of the turn, you get a much better feel for what's going on with the suspension and tires. You can also turn more quickly and confidently since you are effectively lowering your center of gravity. A great thing to practice, and a real revelation when you finally get it right. Greg, the owner of Loudoun Motorsports, had this figured out by the end of the day and was going considerably faster then when he started. All in all it was an excellent day at the track. I would rather have been riding of course but I couldn't pass up the $50 for cornerworking. I did get to ride my new SV650 around the cold track a few times. Sweet! It was great to see everyone there and I look forward to the next one. -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 13:55:13 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00967 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990908175539.9092.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.200] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:55:39 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:55:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I got a reckless probably about 4 years ago, and it didn't show up or play a factor with my insurance with progressive. I merely switched lanes to go around a car before I ran a redlight which was a T- shaped intersection and the one side cars could come from was empty, and the light was turning red as i was moving along, so, i went around the car stopped in front of me, ant through the light. Unfortunately there was a cop behind me :) So anyway I went to court paid the fine, and I don't think I got any points, but I might have gotten 2. The judge mumbled something about 2 points, I don't know if she said she was giving or not going to give me the two points. But I'm here in maryland, maybe out in VA it is 11 years, but it didnt' show up on mine, only 4 years ago. Progressive asked me what tickets I recieved in the last 3 years, and told me only the last 3 years were the ones they could use. Or maybe it's just progressive's policy? So is that 11 years virginia law or just where does it come from? --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > WOW!! 11 YEARS!!?? For real? Jeez, I thought credit reports were > bad! : ( > Thank Goddess I haven't gotten a reckless yet...I think I'll be > trimming my > speeds down now... ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > MJordan666@XXXXXX on 09/07/99 04:18:38 PM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) -Reply > > > > > In a message dated 9/7/99 12:47:36 Eastern Daylight Time, > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > << What is the list wisdom, lawyer or self representation? Does a > lawyer make > me look guilty? >> > > Reckless stays on your record for eleven (that is, 11) YEARS. > > Go for the paid mouthpiece > > Michael (I have one on mine - $54 fine, but the Reckless charge > stayed (no > lawyer)) J. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 14:22:48 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01526 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (207-172-184-203.s203.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.184.203]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id OAA21700; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:22:00 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 99 14:03:08 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: My weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii; X-MAC-TYPE=54455854; X-MAC-CREATOR=4D4F5353 Glad everyone had fun on the track day, sorry to have missed it. Also sorry to hear of Mark's crash, I think I know exactly the turn it happened on-I nearly lost it there a few weekends ago, that decreasing radius catches me unawares everytime. Thank god for SS lines and 207's, which let you know exactly what the front end is doing. I ventured down to Atlanta on the slab(81, much better than 95 and only 30 miles further) to visit family, and left atlanta Sunday afternoon, when I headed north to Two Wheels Only, which is on US 60 (head out atlanta on GA 400 to 60, then take 60 and you'll find it, and have fun getting there, nice mountain roads. Met my uncle there, who was riding his rat bike-72(i think, might be older) BMW with a Fat Boy tank(really confuses people). Thing works though, so... Rode with him to his cabin on the state line, where his gravel driveway sucked, but didn't dump it going up or down, so no real problem. Monday we headed north and rode the Cherohola Skyway, a brand new road similar to SKyline, not quite so twisty, but no traffic at all. From here we caught US 129, and headed north, where we rode Deal's gap a few times. 11 miles, 300+ turns, lots of fun. Not much traffic, and the few cars were very considerate and pulled over for us. Really nice road. Bought the T-Shirt. Didn't ride that hard, as I was fully loaded with baggage and needed to make it home, but I did ok. Still have slight chicken stripes, starting to think tehy are permanent. From the Gap, I headed to Cherokee, where I caught the BRP and headed north. I rode the BRP until about 10, and got a room in Marion, NC. Ran into some serious fog at times, was not very fun-thank god honda put good lights on the VFR. Still had limited visibility, but was able to do 30 or so. Left Marion at about 10, and got back on the parkway(took us 80 off of it to marion, very nice road). Got back on the parkway and began cruising again, takign pictures when I saw a good overlook. One small construction area in southern VA, detoured off the parkway for a few miles. No problem. ALso some areas with crud on them, from mowing. Very rare. Gas was readily available, especially through VA, where the parkway runs through populated areas. Harder to find in NC, be wary if you have a short range(cruisers and Superhawks) Got to the base of Skyline at 6 or so, and having lost my shenandoah card at the last gas stop(got it out from wallet, put it on tankbag, got distracted, rode off without putting it in tankbag, I headed in on the slab and got home just at dark. Fun weekend. BRP was lots of fun, really beautiful and I was doing 65+ the entire trip, no problems from rangers. Got the tires nicely heated up, stuck very well. I was running 42 psi front/rear, and the ride was harsh, but stuck well. Never in a situation where I would have needed lower pressure, even on the Gap. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/8/99 HSTA/AMA 2:03:09 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 14:27:47 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01630 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:27:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199909081427.AA99746348@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: AMA Billboard Fund - Terry Barnard Memorial Highway X-Mailer: Just a short reminder, and a request for donations, to the AMA Billboard Fund. The AMA has put up two billboards in Tennessee dedicating a highway to motorcyclist Terry Barnard, since the highway is currently dedicated to his killer -- the late Tennessee Senator Carl Koella. www.ama-cycle.org thank you, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 14:52:06 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02133 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA25589; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001401befa2b$55857560$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Greg Sachs" , References: Subject: D207 Air Pressure Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:52:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Dunlop recommends that the D207 be used at 42 PSI on the rear and sometimes on the front depending on application. I run 42 PSI front and rear on my VFR and (after ironing out a suspension problem) it is extremely sure-footed. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Sachs To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 2:03 PM Subject: My weekend >Got the tires nicely heated up, stuck > very well. I was running 42 psi front/rear, and the ride was harsh, but > stuck well. Never in a situation where I would have needed lower > pressure, even on the Gap. > Greg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 9/8/99 HSTA/AMA 2:03:09 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 20:13:10 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07155 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f87.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.87]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA11637 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93647 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 19:51:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990908195138.93646.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.248.58.124 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:51:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.248.58.124] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yamaha R6 for sale Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:51:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have a 1999 Yamaha R6 for sale. It has 150 miles on it. It is red and white. Asking $6500 or best offer. E- mail me or call 800-418-0777. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 20:13:08 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07146 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f247.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.247]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA07555 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39926 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 23:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990908235706.39925.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.248.59.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:57:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.248.59.42] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For sale Yamaha R6 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:57:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have a red and white 1999 Yamaha R6 for sale with only 150 miles on it. $6500 or best offer. You can contact me via e-mail or call me at 800-418-0777. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 22:30:43 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10635 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0175.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.207]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA00965 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D74807.4D76@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:39:19 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: re: Track Day Results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > Well, as most of you know, there was a track day at Summit Point yesterday. > I and several other listers participated, either by riding or > cornerworking. --> snip <-- Thanks for posting this Chris. It was very interesting. I'm thinking of doing Track day (prolly next spring) and I appreciated reading your insights. > I was worried initially about the prospect of > crashing my bike, but despite my excursion into the gravel, I feel I was > never on the ragged edge of control. I always felt confident about my > safety level. I wouldn't have any misgivings about doing another track day > in the future. It was a blast! Excellent. Was this with the repaving or is that happening later this month? From: Brian Roach --> snip <-- > It seems I only crash on practice days, and those are done for the year :) Having some corner working experience, that does sound like you hit pretty hard Brian. Glad your OK... It still scares the shit out of me momentarily to see a rider go down. From: Randy Moran --> snip <-- > All in all it was an excellent day at the track. I would rather have been > riding of course but I couldn't pass up the $50 for cornerworking. I did get > to ride my new SV650 around the cold track a few times. Sweet! It was great > to see everyone there and I look forward to the next one. I'm there next spring. Riding - not corner working. And I'm glad a $50 stipend was paid to corner workers. (How come I never got paid? ;) Anyway, thanks to you guys for sharing your (various) impressions. I enjoyed it. JK 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 23:17:53 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11408 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990909031955.525.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:19:55 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: D207 air pressures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are MAXIMUM cold load numbers... With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the tires that stiff... On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 23:40:49 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11808 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-129-243.s497.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.129.243]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id XAA24289; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:40:41 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 99 23:31:36 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: D207 air pressures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii All I can say is that while 42 psi is higher than I would normally run, I got great grip and had the tires right at the edge of balling off like race tires too. remember, I was running at speed and turns for 8 hours at a time, so they got decent heat into the tires and kept it there. And the rear will be shot at 4500 miles or so. Tires were still tacky 4 hours after I stopped riding, despite sitting in a cool garage. I run lower pressure(38f, 34-36r) for short rides, but I was doing long periods of riding, and on a heavy bike which was fully loaded with a big rider and saddlebags/rear seat bag/tankbag. I was trying to ensure I would have enough tread to get back home on my 1700 mile weekend. My rear tire is also starting to cup now, I would guess from drive off the corners. Again, 42 psi isn't my typical usage, but seemed appropriate given the trip i was doing, and they certainly seemed to get warm enough. (wasn't really expecting this big an issue from this) greg --- On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: >You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things >will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are >MAXIMUM cold load numbers... >With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best >when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would >slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was >wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... >For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the >tires that stiff... > >On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! > >Collin >=== >Collin T. Fagan >DC-Cycles Racing >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >Proudly sponsored by: >Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) >Dixie Cycles >Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/8/99 HSTA/AMA 11:31:36 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 8 23:43:10 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11896 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling-114.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FHR0095SWZ7Z5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:31:54 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Re: Track Day Results/First flagging experience To: dc-cycles Message-id: <00e001befa8d$02641a00$682dbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <37D74807.4D76@mnsinc.com> X-Priority: 3 Since folks were filling everyone in on the events of Tuesday's track day, I'll chip in with my 2 cents since it's all good news. I had always assumed that corner working involved an ice-cream headache level of boredom and misery, especially with the sun beating down, so being something of an idiot I signed right up. I was very pleasantly surprised. I was a touch disappointed to pull duty on Turn 3 because the pavement is so good over there, and the line so wide, that I knew I'd have little to do. Early in the morning Randy had all the action with the antics of the Loudoun Motorsports Crash Test Dummy showing all the new guys how its done in turn 8, and as the speed came up Turn 1 seemed like the place to be. I am happy even though it might not sound like it) to report that everyone made it safely through where I was stationed, except for a control rider with a little brain fade who went wide on the entrance and coasted easily through the grass/gravel back onto the track. ( when he did go off I was so flustered and surprised I totally forgot about the flag and was just excited to be on the radio reporting an Official Incident. Luckily the track was clear. I won't make that mistake again) Even with so little actual flagging action the day flew by and it was neat to see poeple's skills and feel for the track improve right before my eyes. People who were obviously lost in the morning were pulling smooth transitions and sticking the proper line by afternoon. I can only imagine that with actual side by side racing it would be even more entertaining, and a worthwhile way to spend a day. So, in short, if anyone on the list had ever contemplated volunteering for MARRC but were put off by thoughts of the hours or monotany, I say go for it. It was an excellent day. Jonathan Broga PS - when I did wave my first real flag of the session for potential debris on the track after the exit/re-entrance mentioned above, I tried to do a Nascar style super wave like the checkered flag guys, but ended up tangling the thing all up and was simply waving a multi-colored stick up and down. I had to stop and unwrap it. DOHH!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 07:18:05 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20444 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Thu, 9 Sep 99 11:17:55 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa000aE; Thu, 09 Sep 99 11:17:47 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:17:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: D207 wear and balling.. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:07:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Maybe I'm just really ignorant on this subject, and just plain don't get it... but, it takes ME a fair amount of work, on 207 race tires, with 28psi, on a racetrack, to get the edges to ball up. I may not be the fastest person on the track (er, I know I'm not - dog slow actually) - but I can assure you I'm riding harder than 99% of anyone on the street. How in God's name are you getting Street compound (harder compound) 207's to ball up? And about the 8-hour stretches where the tires are keeping heat, sorry to inform you, but if you ever ride in a straight line, the sides of your tires are cooling... a LOT. They only maintain heat/warmth where the friction is, and for a short distance to either side. I suppose that as a ride progresses, you can eventually heat up the rim, which will help with tire warmth, but you're still going to have cooling on the edge. (anyway, weren't you telling us about the chicken stripes you thought would be permanent?) This isn't to flame, so untwist yer underwear.. just looking to either A) get some of MY info straight, or B) get other peoples info straight. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Sachs [mailto:ges6@XXXXXX] > All I can say is that while 42 psi is higher than I would > normally run, I > got great grip and had the tires right at the edge of balling > off like > race tires too. remember, I was running at speed and turns > for 8 hours > at a time, so they got decent heat into the tires and kept it > there. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 08:40:00 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21641 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-20.patriot.net [209.249.180.20]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01273; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:39:52 -0400 Message-ID: <37D7A95E.364293AC@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:34:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D207 air pressures References: <19990909031955.525.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I run whatever the motorcycle manufacturer sez to run. My present scoot, a rather heavy sled, gets 36/36 while toting my skinny butt, and 40 in the tail tire when toting 2-up and gear. Seems I recall my earlier machines which were a few hundred pounds lighter than the Hawg ran tire pressures in the mid 30s. I do run max TP on my 4 wheelers. Screw the DeeTroit ride specs, I go for less tire wear and better rain traction. Fact: Higher TP raises the speed at which a tire hydroplanes. At least on car tires and airplane tires. I'm not sure motorcycle tires have a problem, seeing as how thier profile is round rather than flat. Perhaps one of you go-fast guys has input on rain traction related to TP. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the > tires that stiff... > > On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! > > Collin > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 09:31:29 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23216 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-136-83.s83.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.136.83]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id JAA27579; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:31:21 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 99 09:25:02 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: D207 wear and balling.. To: "'dc'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII --- On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:07:46 -0700 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: >Maybe I'm just really ignorant on this subject, and just plain don't get >it... but, it takes ME a fair amount of work, on 207 race tires, with 28psi, >on a racetrack, to get the edges to ball up. I may not be the fastest >person on the track (er, I know I'm not - dog slow actually) - but I can >assure you I'm riding harder than 99% of anyone on the street. How in God's >name are you getting Street compound (harder compound) 207's to ball up? > >And about the 8-hour stretches where the tires are keeping heat, sorry to >inform you, but if you ever ride in a straight line, the sides of your tires >are cooling... a LOT. They only maintain heat/warmth where the friction is, >and for a short distance to either side. I suppose that as a ride >progresses, you can eventually heat up the rim, which will help with tire >warmth, but you're still going to have cooling on the edge. (anyway, >weren't you telling us about the chicken stripes you thought would be >permanent?) > >This isn't to flame, so untwist yer underwear.. just looking to either A) >get some of MY info straight, or B) get other peoples info straight. > >Brian McCoy I didn't have the tires balling up, but they were right at the edge of starting to do so I believe. Surface is vey porous and rough. Cooling on the sides wasn't an issue, this was on the BRP-no real straights. I'm not hung up on the issue, I was just trying to explain why I was running 42 psi, and that it didn't seem to be a bad choice given the circumstances of the ride. I don't think I was riding terribly hard, as I was riding in a conservative manner to ensure I made it home. Just reporting the results. I'm definately not the best rider around. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/9/99 HSTA/AMA 9:25:02 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 09:38:51 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23317 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-136-83.s83.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.136.83]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id JAA27615; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:38:41 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 99 09:35:17 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: FW: 2000 models To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >From the HSTA pres. check out the italian web site, http://www.hondaitalia.com/default.html for more info, or the hondamotorcycle.com site tonight Wast thinking I'd get a monster dark to complement the VFR, now I'm reconsidering. A VTR-SP would be a nice ride. greg --- On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 06:48:40 +0000 Fred Ziglar wrote: >Here's a couple of new Hondas that you might be interested in: > > >CBR929RR >Leading the way is the all-new CBR929RR, a motorcycle designed to maintain >Honda’s title of best open-class sport bike, a category recently challenged >by Kawasaki and Yamaha. Digging deeply into Honda’s bag of >power-producing-tricks, the engineers fashioned a fuel-injected four cylinder >engine that produces over 160 bhp/liter in a chassis that weighs just 374 >lbs. dry, giving the 929 the best power-to-weight ratio of any production >motorcycle ever. > >RC51 >Another breathtaking machine is Honda’s new Superbike racing platform, the >RC51. The V-twin, fuel-injected 1000cc four-stroke engine produces immense >torque and over 130 bhp in stock trim. Most impressive is the RC51’s price, >just $9999.00 (MSRP) for the machine that will be the backbone of the Honda >Racing Corporation’s world-wide Superbike racing effort for 2000 and beyond. >With the most affordable Superbike platform in the class—thousands less than >the nearest competitor—Honda is hoping the low price of the RC51 will >rekindle the grass-roots racing effort that has been absent from Superbike >racing in recent years, fostering the development of tomorrow’s racing stars >and strengthening the sport. > > >Fred Z. > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/9/99 HSTA/AMA 9:35:17 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:23:04 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24190 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11051; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301beface$eef9ae20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , References: <19990909031955.525.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: D207 air pressures Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:23:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I got the information from Dunlop's website... not the side of the tire. The D204s and 205s given different recommendations although I think the D204 is close to the same. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Collin T. Fagan To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 11:19 PM Subject: D207 air pressures > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the > tires that stiff... > > On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! > > Collin > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:24:09 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24217 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:24:07 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA25820; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:24:38 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa19259; Thu, 9 Sep 99 10:17:19 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHS00480QHO1R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E7.004E5AFC ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:15:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:15:10 -0400 Subject: Web page help (Non-moto) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E7.004E5692.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have promised to put a web site together for my father's division from World War II. It will be a fairly simple affair, with stories, war pictures and reunion pictures. I have no idea how to put a page toghther. If anyone out there has some experience with web pages, I would like to ask you a few questions (perferred software, hosting companies, etc) off-list. Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:26:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24251 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA28285; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:26:56 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021425; Thu, 9 Sep 99 10:19:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHS001S1QL80U@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E7.004E8D11 ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:17:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:17:35 -0400 Subject: Re: FW: 2000 models To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E7.004E8921.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL For the best photos of the Y2K sport models from Honda, go to the Italian site: www.hondaitalia.it The US Honda site is a mess. Chris VTR (soon to be replaced by an SP1?) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:34:36 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24439 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA16146; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004b01befad0$8a8eaba0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Greg Sachs" , "'dc'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" References: Subject: Re: D207 wear and balling.. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:35:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Running in all out squid mode coming back from Virginia Beach a few weeks ago, I can attest to the fact that D207s do ball up on the street. They also turn a nice shade of blue-ish yellow. Anyway... there you go. Tom '86 VFR750 > I didn't have the tires balling up, but they were right at the edge of > starting to do so I believe. Surface is vey porous and rough. Cooling > on the sides wasn't an issue, this was on the BRP-no real straights. I'm > not hung up on the issue, I was just trying to explain why I was running > 42 psi, and that it didn't seem to be a bad choice given the > circumstances of the ride. I don't think I was riding terribly hard, as I > was riding in a conservative manner to ensure I made it home. Just > reporting the results. I'm definately not the best rider around. > Greg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 9/9/99 HSTA/AMA 9:25:02 AM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:37:19 1999 Return-Path: ztyrlik@XXXXXX Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24542 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA24170 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 14:37:13 UT Received: from porky (porky.ascend.com [192.207.23.83]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23211 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com From: "Zbigniew Tyrlik" To: Subject: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:35:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Folks, usually I stay away from this subject. This time I think it is worthy reading..... http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm _zjt From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 10:45:06 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24734 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Thu, 9 Sep 99 14:42:51 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa001nb; Thu, 09 Sep 99 14:42:48 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:42:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: 2000 models Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:42:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) why are NONE of the links ppl are sending out for the italian site working for me? Would someone PLEASE go there, cut and paste the address(url) into a mail msg and send that to me? That way I'm sure there are no typos and it's complete... Ugh.. the torment.. > -----Original Message----- > > For the best photos of the Y2K sport models from Honda, go to > the Italian > site: > > www.hondaitalia.it > > The US Honda site is a mess. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 11:06:31 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25151 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22955; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:05:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990909105611.01643f00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:05:34 -0400 To: "Zbigniew Tyrlik" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Cc: In-Reply-To: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:35 AM 9/9/99 , Zbigniew Tyrlik wrote: >Folks, usually I stay away from this subject. This time I think it is worthy >reading..... > > http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm "For many bikers, motorcycling with a helmet is like surfing without an ocean. " Bullshit. I like my helmet - so do a lot of other bikers. I would wear one regardless of the helmet laws. Doesn't mean I support helmet laws.... "During the seven-year period from 1987 through 1993, states with no helmet laws or partial helmet laws (for riders under 21) suffered fewer deaths (2.89) per 100 accidents than those states with full helmet laws (2.93 deaths)." Sounds like a warped statistic somewhere. Those are not the findings that the Hurt study presented. "In helmet-law states, there exists a reciprocal relationship between death due to head trauma and death due to neck injury. That is, a four-pound helmet might save the head, but the force is then transferred to the neck." This, I believe without a doubt. Nice new email addy there ZBig. How does it feel to be working for Lucent now? We used to work with AT&T a lot - unbelievably big bureaucracy. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 11:18:19 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25400 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oOSWa03769 (3981); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:17:37 EDT Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: ztyrlik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/9/99 10:47:13 AM, ztyrlik@XXXXXX writes: >http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm that is a beautifully constructed argument! :D but I still like helmets for preventing bugs from suiciding on my face (YUCK!) :D and for preventing gravel from flying up on the freeway and cutting my face (has actually happened) ... although a lighter faceshield-type-thing could conceivable work for those purposes.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 11:55:26 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@XXXXXX [216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26107 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [216.181.79.203]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA10050 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:55:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:55:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:17:37 EDT > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > To: ztyrlik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. > > > In a message dated 9/9/99 10:47:13 AM, ztyrlik@XXXXXX writes: > > >http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm > > that is a beautifully constructed argument! :D > but I still like helmets for preventing bugs from suiciding on my face > (YUCK!) :D > and for preventing gravel from flying up on the freeway and cutting my face > (has actually happened) ... although a lighter faceshield-type-thing could > conceivable work for those purposes.... Safety is a myth. The world stopped being a safe place for each and every one of us the moment we left the womb. Living is inherently an unsafe sport that involes some amount of risk, and always ends up with someone dying. All we can possibly do at this point is to pick which risks we feel comfortable taking. I take the risk of riding a motorcycle, I do not take the risk of riding without a helmet, even if that in theory, raises my risk of neck injury. As noted, having that helmet reduces my risk of bugs, rocks, cigarrette butts, wind-noise, etc... all of which I find to make my ride more enjoyable and less risky. Safety is a myth. Wearing a helmet... wearing a 'Stitch... wearing leathers... none of that will make riding a bike "safe." In theory, less risky, but not ever safe. The article there even notes that some high percentage of bike accidents are caused by cars turning left in front of bikes. Want to help decrease the risk of riding a motorcycle? Outlaw cars and stop arguing about helmets! Again, Saftey is a myth. Spread the word. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 12:17:56 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26603 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990909161918.19210.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.103] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:19:18 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think this topic is best left to the newsgroups, I think there's probably one on this topic alone. I'm sure we could all go round and round for and against helmet laws, but i'm sure the arguments have already been made, and can be found in the newsgroups. for what it's worth, I'm for wearing a helmet, against the laws requiring it. No need to state why, see above. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 12:28:37 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26813 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990909162948.4975.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.213] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:29:48 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: D207 air pressures To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I run 36f/38r in my D207s (900rr). Don't really see why anyone would be running them at the manufacturer's maximum recommended pressure. -- tg --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! > yikes!!! those things > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the > side of the tire are > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to > be about the best > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that > and the bike would > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard > side... and if it was > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the > ride would be with the > tires that stiff... > > On the good side, those things will last forever at > 42 psi! > > Collin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 12:32:19 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26897 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23095; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:31:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990909123006.015eb600@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:31:38 -0400 To: Daniel aka ITM From: Troutman Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990909161918.19210.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:19 PM 9/9/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >I think this topic is best left to the newsgroups, I think there's >probably one on this topic alone. > >I'm sure we could all go round and round for and against helmet >laws, but i'm sure the arguments have already been made, and can >be found in the newsgroups. > >for what it's worth, I'm for wearing a helmet, against the laws >requiring it. No need to state why, see above. Daniel - every six months or so, dc-cycles goes through a helmet thread. It will last about two weeks. You can either ride the wave of emails, or get sucked in by its undertow. It only gets worse during the winter months..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 12:51:43 1999 Return-Path: dave@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27246 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11P7M5-0004yc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:47:25 -0400 Received: from david500 ([209.70.174.26]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03540 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01befae4$8cb34940$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:58:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 What an idiot! Of course helmets arent going to protect you in a 35mph impact with a car! Helmets are designed to protect you in a 13mph or lesser crash with your head and the pavement. That is the typical speed reached when you fall off your motorcycle and hit the pavement with your head. That is what a helmet protects against, the acceleration from roughly a seated hight to impact with the pavement. Racers rarely travel at speeds less than 35mph, and do you think we would ever go out on the track without a helmet? Well if I listened to him why should I bother? I may even be increasing my chance of neck injury. The only reason to advocate no helmet laws is that it takes away a persons individual freedoms. This instance that helemets do not add to safety and infact increase risk of injury is just sickening. I am stronly oppossed to helmet laws on the grounds individual freedom, but this kind of crap is exactly why I would never join an organization like ABATE. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 13:04:59 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27476 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:04:58 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA11790; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:05:26 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma011023; Thu, 9 Sep 99 13:04:40 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHS0080KY8T3B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E7.005DB01C ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:03:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:01:45 -0400 Subject: New Model Photos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E7.005DAAC2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL To anyone having trouble getting to the Honda websites: I have downloaded all of the photos from the Honda Italy website on the new VTR-SP1 (aka RVT aka RC51), the new CBR900RR, and the new XR650R. If anyone wants them, email me and I'll send them. Keep in mind that there's about twenty pics for each bike. I'll try to upload them to the dc-cycles Yahoo club shortly. Chris Weaver christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 13:17:48 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27737 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA10273; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01befae7$51494be0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <19990909162948.4975.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: D207 air pressures Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:18:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 On my VFR I have found that there recommendation works (handles) the best. Tom '86 VFR750 (with CBR F2 suspension) This is straight from Dunlop's web site: Results of Search Make: HONDA Model: CBR Search again ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 1000 F (90-91) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 120/70ZR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 170/60ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: K510, size 120/70VR17, 36 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: K510B, size 170/60VR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 1000 F (93-96) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.00x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70VR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 170/60VR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: K510F, size 120/70R17, 36 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: K510, size 170/60R17, 42 PSI Optional Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70ZR17, 42 PSI Optional Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 1100 XX (97-98) (Blackbird) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 120/70ZR17, 42 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: D205F, size 120/70ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: D205 , size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI Optional Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70ZR17, 42 PSI Optional Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 600 F (89-90) (Hurricane) Front Rim Size: 2.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 3.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: K591 Elite , size 110/80-17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: K591 Elite , size 130/80-17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: K505F, size 110/80-17, 36 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: K505 , size 130/80-17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 600 F2 (91-94) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 4.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/60ZR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 160/60ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: , size , PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: , size , PSI Optional Front Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 120/60ZR17, 36 PSI Optional Rear Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 160/60ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 600 F3 (95-98) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.00x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/60ZR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 160/60ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: D204F, size 120/60ZR17, 32 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: D204, size 160/60ZR17, 34 PSI Optional Front Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 120/60ZR17, 36 PSI Optional Rear Tire: D205 Sportmax, size 160/60ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 600 F4 (99) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70ZR17, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 120/70ZR17, 36 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HONDA CBR 900 RR (93-99) Front Rim Size: 3.50x16 Rear Rim Size: 5.50x17 Recommended Front Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 130/70ZR16, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: Sportmax D207 ZR, size 180/55ZR17, 42 PSI OE Replacement Front Tire: , size , PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: , size , PSI ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer To: Collin T. Fagan ; Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 12:29 PM Subject: Re: D207 air pressures > I run 36f/38r in my D207s (900rr). Don't really see > why anyone would be running them at the manufacturer's > maximum recommended pressure. > > -- > tg > > --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! > > yikes!!! those things > > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the > > side of the tire are > > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to > > be about the best > > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that > > and the bike would > > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard > > side... and if it was > > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the > > ride would be with the > > tires that stiff... > > > > On the good side, those things will last forever at > > 42 psi! > > > > Collin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 14:13:57 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28935 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA29945; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:14:15 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma028803; Thu, 9 Sep 99 14:13:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHT00GK71F1OO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567E7.0063F61C ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:11:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:10:37 -0400 Subject: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567E7.0063F04E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I posted the pics of the new Honda sportbikes on the DCAreaRiders Yahoo club site. Check 'em out under the Photos section. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Chris Weaver '98 VTR (RC um.. 50?) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 14:54:40 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29682 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:53:36 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:53:10 -0400 Message-Id: <37D802D3.6E29BD98@trw.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:56:22 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online References: <852567E7.0063F04E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit geeez, get a look at the new VTR or RVT or whatever...It looks like Doohan's bike. mommy... -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I posted the pics of the new Honda sportbikes on the DCAreaRiders Yahoo > club site. Check 'em out under the Photos section. > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 15:36:25 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00663 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FHT003IN4R1ZA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:28:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA28763; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:26:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.227]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990909192808.LBZO618@toddnt>; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:28:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:25:27 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online In-reply-to: <852567E7.0063F04E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001101befaf9$129c0c90$abb92ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thanks for posting these Chris. I like the dash on that RC-51. Not so sure about the front end though. Is that an air intake between the headlights? I didn't see any flow ducting in the naked shots. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 2:11 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online > > > I posted the pics of the new Honda sportbikes on the DCAreaRiders Yahoo > club site. Check 'em out under the Photos section. > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR (RC um.. 50?) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 16:34:26 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01688 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2HJHJz7Xv_ (4532); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:33:48 EDT Subject: Helmet issues To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: AAABATE@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Three points: 1. NHTSA has signed a letter saying that they do not approve helmets. Anyone wanting a copy, send me a fax number or an address. 2. Maryland's helmet protest run will be October 10th from the Anne Arundel County Fair Grounds. 3. The helmet is not the issue - don't get sucked into that debate. The more basic issue is that: a. In Maryland's case, the legislature imposed the helmet law as a means for qualify for additional federal funding. b. That blackmail provision is no longer in place. c. Maryland criminalizes individual discretion to qualify for federal funds. d. All of us, whether we use helmets or not, should oppose the practice described in c. above. Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel County Chapter (By the way, for those of you who are unhappy with ABATE, contact me. Chances are that you have run into someone outside the mainstream and I'd like a chance to set the record straight. Bill Gawthrop, 410-451-2610) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 16:35:22 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01767 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-191.patriot.net [209.249.180.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA28744; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: <37D818C7.2DBE1454@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:29:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zbigniew Tyrlik CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. References: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Lies, damn lies, and statistics" - Samual Clemens Another stat twisting to support a flimsy plea for no helmet. ABATE also spends an enormous amount of time and energy railing against gun laws and supporting concealed carry permits. That bullshit got so mundane I quit going to meetings. I have a use to be nice Shoei helmet that you're welcome to examine. It was on my head when a left turner nailed me. I flew headfirst over his car and hit the pavement headfirst. The rider behind me saw gel coat flipping thru the air and figured I was a dead guy. Since I didn't even blink out on impact, I got to hear the fibreglass/kevlar laminate crunching. Now y`all can pull stats out your ass til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. Risk reduction is the name of the riding gear game. I'm sure that those who have fallen off thier mounts will back me up. Helmets are cheaper than heads. Leather slides better than skin. Lexan eats bugs and dirt. Bill Zbigniew Tyrlik wrote: > Folks, usually I stay away from this subject. This time I think it is worthy > reading..... > > http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm > > _zjt From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 16:41:28 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01840 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06765; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: dlroy@XXXXXX Subject: FS: standard and dualsport Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My brother's getting a new bike so the old ones must go: 1998 Yamaha XT350 - $2800 Aprox. 2500 miles Clarke 4 gallon plastic gas tank (Still have stock tank) Supertrapp Internal Disc Exhaust Aluminum Bars 1990 Yamaha YX600 Radian - $1500 Aprox. 8500 miles New 4 into 1 Jardine Exhaust (Still have stock exhaust) New Rifle Nightflight Fairing (Color matched) New Drag Bars (still have stock bars) New Progressive Shocks & Fork Springs Darrell Roy home email: dlroy@XXXXXX work email: darrell.l.roy@XXXXXX home: 301-856-9210 work: 202-514-6918 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 16:51:40 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02108 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:50:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199909091650.AA308936948@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Bill Huson" CC: Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > I'm sure that those who have fallen off thier mounts will back > me up. Helmets are cheaper than heads. Leather slides better than > skin. Bill, I'm with you. Having done a little stint in the Asphalt Inspection Program myself, I have trouble believing folks who claim helmets impair anything and lead to neck injuries. Hell, I landed forehead first, bent my neck so far back I bruised my shoulders between the shoulder blades, and got up and rode away from the accident with just a little nosebleed. Sure beat the hell out of a concussion, or worse. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 18:35:38 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04215 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Marina (adus3-ppp63.sco.COM [132.147.175.63]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id SAA01323 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990909183645.00963310@pop.mail.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:38:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Nick??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Nick, of the red Duc 748, if you're still around, email me off-list, I wanted to ask you something non-moto related. Thanks, Grant From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 18:55:26 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04491 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990909225703.23424.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.103] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:57:03 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Track Day Results To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > riding of course but I couldn't pass up the $50 for cornerworking. > I did get > to ride my new SV650 around the cold track a few times. Sweet! It > was great > to see everyone there and I look forward to the next one. > > -- > Randy Moran $50 AND you get to ride around the track, cool... (not to mention watch). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 19:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05350 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:38:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1VBTa01400 (4251); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:54 EDT Subject: Misperceptions about ABATE To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 In a message dated 99-09-09 16:42:05 EDT, you write: << ABATE also spends an enormous amount of time and energy railing against gun laws and supporting concealed carry permits. That bullshit got so mundane I quit going to meetings. >> Unfortunately, some members of ABATE get sidetracked on other coalition issues. However, ABATE's singular focus is on rider issues; not other coalition issues. Riders who are disenchanted with non-riding issues are invited to direct their concerns to me and I will provide the quiet, behind the scenes, feed back to the chapter concerned that their members are focused on riding issues; not 2nd Amendment issues. Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel County Chapter. Home phone: 410-451-2610. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 20:27:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06241 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA29048 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA12755 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JD6201md@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 9STSa09400 (8009); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9ce42226.2509aa4d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:26:53 EDT Subject: Vintage Run -- Sunday 9/12/99 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 11:00 AM Vintage Run / Poker Run Western Maryland Motorcycle Assoc. Loc: Community Park, (RT 806 just off US-15) Thurmont, MD. Info: Jack Pearre (410) 775-7209 If anyone is interested in some of the machines from yesteryear, I'd recommend this Sunday's event in Thurmont. I've enjoyed it the last several years as I get to see some of the bikes that revive some of my fondest memories. They get a pretty good turn-out usually, particularly with good weather. I go even though I don't have a really old bike. And the prizes after the ride are pretty good too. See you there! -- Jeff '84 Venture Royale From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 20:47:08 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06615 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-47.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FHT00KDUJHUNF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:48:44 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: FS - =?iso-8859-1?Q?=9289?= Kawasaki ZX-7 To: DC cycles list Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <37D85569.CE099E33@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en For Sale ’89 Kawasaki ZX-7 Ninja Here is a picture of the bike in race trim: ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/r_moran.jpg Bike is located in Northern Virginia Former race bike, safety wired and ready for track or street. * Progressive Springs * Fox Twin-Clicker Shock * Extra race fairings and windscreen * Shop Manual * Some spare parts * Extra pipe (Vance and Hines) Well-maintained and very fast. WERA Vintage Six legal. Must sell to finance newer race bike. This bike is presently Street-legal, with mirrors, headlights, brake lights, and signals and pristine stock bodywork. $2800 takes it Contact Randy Moran via email Email rajmoran@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:08:43 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06964 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:08:42 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA15472 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:08:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday ride Message-ID: <19990909210837.B15459@kleks.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Kirk Roy on Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 04:41:17PM -0400 Any plans for Saturday ride ? (moderate pace, no wheelies, quite often getting lost, sometimes I end up on a gravel road... )... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:11:12 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07015 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990910011239.7236.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:12:39 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: D207 pressures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greg, Fully loaded I can see going to higher pressures... makes sense. I was more wondering on Tom's high pressures which he responded about.. I've always found tire pressures to vary greatly to the conditions and road types.... the asphalt out in oregon was waay different than in VA and of course temps vary as well so I found myself always adjusting pressures to conditions, but never found a condition where greater than 38 felt good at all... but if it's working for you... and it sounds like Tom's is :) then use it! lol CT === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:12:46 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.res.cw.net (pm03sm.res.cw.net [204.71.33.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07091 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dawnjon (usr51-dialup360.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.198.242]) by PM03SM.RES.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0FHT002SFKNKS1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:11:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:09:11 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Track Day Results To: "John C. Kozyn" , DC Cycles Message-id: <00c901befb07$9bf32a60$f2c63ea6@dawnjon> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <37D74807.4D76@mnsinc.com> John, too bad you couldn't make it out. You would have had a blast! Kinda like a mofo ride w/o the cops, traffic and double yellow passes, but with 10x the excitement. The only down side was the no passing rule except for the straights. That's a bummer when your pushing 45-50hp and expected to pull past 90+hp monsters. Not gonna happen. Had fun showing a few of the bigger bikes a wheel in 3, 9 and 10, though. 8^) Can't say enough for the help I got from fellow DC Cycles listers. I got lots of advice, tips and informative race talk. The control riders(mostly am. and expert racers) where excellent with riding tips and helpfull with the lines around the track. Fun fun fun! Damn, I'm ready to get back on the track! Jon 88' HawkGT > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > > Well, as most of you know, there was a track day at Summit Point yesterday. > > I and several other listers participated, either by riding or > > cornerworking. > > --> snip <-- > > Thanks for posting this Chris. It was very interesting. I'm thinking of > doing Track day (prolly next spring) and I appreciated reading your > insights. > > > I was worried initially about the prospect of > > crashing my bike, but despite my excursion into the gravel, I feel I was > > never on the ragged edge of control. I always felt confident about my > > safety level. I wouldn't have any misgivings about doing another track day > > in the future. It was a blast! > > Excellent. Was this with the repaving or is that happening later this > month? > > > From: Brian Roach > > --> snip <-- > > > It seems I only crash on practice days, and those are done for the year :) > > Having some corner working experience, that does sound like you hit > pretty hard Brian. Glad your OK... It still scares the shit out of me > momentarily to see a rider go down. > > > From: Randy Moran > > --> snip <-- > > > All in all it was an excellent day at the track. I would rather have been > > riding of course but I couldn't pass up the $50 for cornerworking. I did get > > to ride my new SV650 around the cold track a few times. Sweet! It was great > > to see everyone there and I look forward to the next one. > > I'm there next spring. Riding - not corner working. And I'm glad a $50 > stipend was paid to corner workers. (How come I never got paid? ;) > > Anyway, thanks to you guys for sharing your (various) impressions. I > enjoyed it. > > JK > 95 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:17:54 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07196 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2JPIcEd7j_ (4424) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e0a89c4.2509b613@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:17:07 EDT Subject: The Zells vs. The Washington Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Did anyone else see Tom and Jeanette in the marriage announcements in Wednesday's Post?!? They were so cute! But no motorcycles in the background...... -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:21:15 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07307 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990910012319.23499.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:23:19 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii no comment on the laws issue... >From a racers standpoint (former motoX and current roadracer) I can attest that kneck injuries sure don't fit that high of a statistic!! The only neck injury I've ever received is the persistent stiff neck from my highside in ohio a month ago, and I landed about as direct on my head as you can... would most likely be dead without the lid! If anyone has an interest, sometime tomorrow I can snap a fwe digital pics of all three lids that I thrashed this year and comment on the results, etc.... Collin (3 helmets destroyed this season and counting!!) === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 21:37:10 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07612 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0206.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.238]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA08765; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D88CF8.1FA8@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:45:44 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Subject: D207 air pressures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" > You guys are running 42 psi in your tires!!! yikes!!! those things > will never get up to temp.. those numbers on the side of the tire are > MAXIMUM cold load numbers... > With my old GSXR, I found the neighborhood of 36 to be about the best > when was on dunlops....any mroe pressure than that and the bike would > slide too much when I was rinding on the hard side... and if it was > wet... forget it!! like riding on a knifedge... > For the light SV, I can't imagine how crappy the ride would be with the > tires that stiff... > On the good side, those things will last forever at 42 psi! Hmmm, here's something I didn't know. High pressures make for increased tire wear? I was thinking that higher pressure would enable the tires to break traction more easily thereby wearing away the rubber faster. Why would lower pressures cause less wear? I believe you Collin, I'm just want to know why :) JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:02:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08105 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29356 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:32 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15454 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vUDYa28682 (4466) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:02:30 EDT Subject: sat. ride. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Im for something, although, cant promise no wheelies. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:13:45 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.yahoomail.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA08303 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990910021400.5310.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:14:00 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Subject: D207 air pressures To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "John C. Kozyn" wrote: > > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > > > > Hmmm, here's something I didn't know. High pressures make for > increased > tire wear? Where you getting that from?? :) I'm just saying that when I've gone too high on pressure, I can't ride as fast as I like to cause the bike starts sliding.. which is something I prefer to save for the track 9no wise cracks from The Brain on that one...err, eumm 211 a few years ago :)) They'll probably last longer at the higher pressures, but I think you give up performance...ya gotta pay to play :) Higher pressures keep the tire from heating up as easily...I run lower pressures but pay for it in wear.... (anyone ever see a yamaha cruiser wear out the outside edges before the centers??? lol the maxim is nearing the end of the first set of IRC's... he he he damn fine tires for cheapies.. better than the comparable dunnies in my opinion...actually, they are about the same price, so I can't really call them cheapies...butI ramble..) And for the life of me, I haven't figured out at all why almost all of the dunlop info Tom posted recommended a 6 psi pressure bias to the rear tire?!?!?! weird... I use about a one pund bias to the rear on the race bike to put a tad more weight on the front to ease out the shakies...except nelson ledges.. that track eats fronts, so you run 32 front and 30 rear there (race comps of course) CT I was thinking that higher pressure would enable the tires > to > break traction more easily thereby wearing away the rubber faster. > Why > would lower pressures cause less wear? > > I believe you Collin, I'm just want to know why :) > > JK > === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:44:10 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08797 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0206.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.238]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA09863; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D89CB1.8F3@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:52:49 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Schumer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Track Day Results References: <37D74807.4D76@mnsinc.com> <00c901befb07$9bf32a60$f2c63ea6@dawnjon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Schumer wrote: > John, too bad you couldn't make it out. You would have had a blast! Kinda > like a mofo ride w/o the cops, traffic and double yellow passes, but with > 10x the excitement. Yeah, that excitement factor does turn me on too Jon, I gotta admit :) Remember, everything changed for me after riding Mid-Ohio's track during the CSS class in July. I had such a blast and now every time I ride on the street on some of my favorite urban hooligan curves (Columbia Pike esses, Rt 27 and I-395 ramps) I seem to be improving - even while wishing I was on that ZX6-R again :) Curious thing is that after the cornering school I'm now turning to the right better (harder anyway) than the left, when the reverse was true before the class (!) > The only down side was the no passing rule except for the straights. That's > a bummer when your pushing 45-50hp and expected to pull past 90+hp monsters. > Not gonna happen. Had fun showing a few of the bigger bikes a wheel in 3, 9 > and 10, though. 8^) > Can't say enough for the help I got from fellow DC Cycles listers. I got > lots of advice, tips and informative race talk. The control riders(mostly > am. and expert racers) where excellent with riding tips and helpfull with > the lines around the track. That is key. I felt so comfortable following that Kobie dude (Keith Code's main man on a 'stealth' ZX9-R) at M-O I wished I could ride behind him all day. On our rides I feel similarly following some of our speedier brethren. Not sure why that works for me. I'd prefer that I don't need anyone, but I know I have much to learn. > Fun fun fun! Damn, I'm ready to get back on the track! I'll be there in the spring Jon, trying to catch up to you (except in the straights of course ;) I'm looking forward to seeing the new Summit Point! JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:50:11 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08999 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21739; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01befb37$4e2d0960$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , References: <1e0a89c4.2509b613@aol.com> Subject: Re: The Zells vs. The Washington Post Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:50:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Hey... I wanted the VFRs and the Pit Bulls in the wedding pictures but the wife wouldn't go for it! ;-) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 9:17 PM Subject: The Zells vs. The Washington Post > Did anyone else see Tom and Jeanette in the marriage announcements in > Wednesday's Post?!? They were so cute! But no motorcycles in the > background...... > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 22:55:25 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09021 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-71.patriot.net [209.249.180.71]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA01380; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:55:18 -0400 Message-ID: <37D871DA.F32ECA8B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:50:02 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Subject: D207 air pressures References: <19990910021400.5310.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure the tire compound for race tires is different than touring tires. The center tread is usually harder than the side tread, but race tire probably have less ofa differance as they need sticky on th edges. Tourers don't spend much time there and are probably sticker to keep us slow and easy guys and gals out of trouble when we do crank them over hard. But I'm guessing. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > (anyone ever see a yamaha cruiser wear out the outside edges before the > centers??? lol the maxim is nearing the end of the first set of > IRC's... he he he damn fine tires for cheapies.. better than the > comparable dunnies in my opinion...actually, they are about the same > price, so I can't really call them cheapies...butI ramble..) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 23:20:48 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09504 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0206.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.238]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA10495; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D8A548.285D@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:29:29 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Subject: D207 air pressures References: <19990910021400.5310.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > Hmmm, here's something I didn't know. High pressures make for > > increased > > tire wear? > Where you getting that from?? :) I'm just saying that when I've gone > too high on pressure, I can't ride as fast as I like to cause the bike > starts sliding.. which is something I prefer to save for the track 9no > wise cracks from The Brain on that one...err, eumm 211 a few years ago > :)) Ooops, I meant decreased tire wear, increased mileage.. duh... > They'll probably last longer at the higher pressures, but I think you > give up performance...ya gotta pay to play :) Higher pressures keep > the tire from heating up as easily...I run lower pressures but pay for > it in wear.... OK, now I get it, I think. Sorry for the confusion :) JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 9 23:57:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10637 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29780 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA17838 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17653 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FHT00201SBC92@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FHT00KWFSB764@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:57:32 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:56:24 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: GRPNEHI loses some fizz To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC8C3@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Well, GRPNEHI (Grape Ne-Hi) and I finally had our first mishap. And of course this happens right after I tell Janine from the COG list that I haven't dropped/fell with the new Connie yet. That all ended tonight of course. Don't really know what I could have done different so here's the story and you tell me. On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays during our scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. Everyday, rain or shine, I cross these tracks. Well, tonight I sort of slid across the 1st set of tracks near the Jenny Dean school on Wellington Road in Manassas. I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, the pavement is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits the track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a stop but we are still falling to I pretty much jump off. Bike lands on the right side. So here I am sitting in the middle of the tracks with a bike that has a full tank of gas wondering how I'm going to pick it up. I put down the kick stand and attempt to lift the bike. Can't quite get it over the top but my knight in shining armor stops in his Chysler Town& County mini-van and helps me get it the rest of the way. If I had a grab spot like on the left side, I think I might have been able to get it myself but there's nothing on right that's really solid enough near the handle bars to lift on and my arm span from handlebars to passenger grab rail is very limited. I think know what I did, I under-estimate the slippery-ness of the track and had it angled in such a way it slid. All my fault. I know it had rained - learning all the time. Anyways, damage report - scratch on the mirror from the 3 point stand it did. There's too much mud and dirt on the faring too see but I couldn't feel any scratches - nothing on the saddlebag. The soft wet wood must have took the impact. As for me, I got a splinter and cracked a fingernail. My knight, well he hates motorcycles and I just reaffirmed his beliefs. Dale, of course, knows nothing of this as he slumbers - think I should tell him? Guess it can wait till morning. 'Night! Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 Pager: (800) 404-3758 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 00:12:11 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA10889 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25063 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 04:14:09 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 04:14:08 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19613; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199909100415.AAA19613@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:56:22 -0400 Randy Moran wrote: >geeez, get a look at the new VTR or RVT or whatever...It looks like Doohan's >bike. >mommy... Liked the VTR,didn't like the X11. They should've styled it closer to the CB1000. Even better if they gave it a CB900F-style paint job like that project bike in _MC_ the other year. BTW,Moto Online also has pics and a write-up: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/y2kmodels.html The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 00:32:47 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11394 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5282 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 04:34:50 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 04:34:50 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA20781; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:36:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:36:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199909100436.AAA20781@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Y2K Honda CBR & RC51 Online On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:25:27 -0400 Todd Peer wrote: >I like the dash on that RC-51. Not so sure about the front end though. Is >that an air intake between the headlights? I didn't see any flow ducting in >the naked shots. Yep,check out the pics on MO. Acts as both intake and fairing stay. There's also a cool pic of the new exhaust valve and headers on the RR. Very sano. Best exhaust plumbing I've seen since the old CB400F. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 04:49:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA16835 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA09538 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA23965 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990910085121.22490.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.103] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:51:21 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: sat. ride. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If the ride stays in Maryland, count me in. --- CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Im for something, although, cant promise no wheelies. > > Sean... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 06:09:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18095 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA10002 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA25460 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA20994 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:08:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: GRPNEHI loses some fizz In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC8C3@EMSS09M05> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays during our > scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. snip > I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, the pavement > is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits > the track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a > stop but we are still falling to I pretty much jump off. It sounds like you should've rolled on the throttle and not gotten on the brakes. Even at low speed braking will transfer weight to the front - exactly where you don't want it. As the saying goes, "when in doubt, gas it". That could've potentially stood the bike back up. Also, try to hit the tracks as close to a 90 degree angle as possible. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 07:19:37 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19223 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust033.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.33]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA21789 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:20:21 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990910070751.006ab774@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:07:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. In-Reply-To: <37D818C7.2DBE1454@patriot.net> References: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No one is asking you to give up your helmet. The reason for the protest is to allow us to use our own judgement in determining when it is appropriate to wear one. Repealing the helmet law will NOT make it illegal to wear a helmet in Maryland. Leon who also supports ABATE on the 2d amendment issues. At 04:29 PM 9/9/99 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: . . . >Now y`all can pull stats out your ass >til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 08:15:09 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20235 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-40.patriot.net [209.249.180.40]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA30950; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37D8F4FB.D697781E@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:09:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. References: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> <3.0.3.32.19990910070751.006ab774@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How cool. Would you also support a *2nd amendment* issue such as removing the requirement that personal watercraft riders must wear flotation vests? How about eye protection on bikes? Seat belt laws? Child seat laws? And how about those ridiculous laws that one must be clothed in public. I luv to let my skin breath. Bill - waxing sarcastic :-) Leon Begeman wrote: > No one is asking you to give up your helmet. The reason for the protest is > to allow us to use our own judgement in determining when it is appropriate > to wear one. Repealing the helmet law will NOT make it illegal to wear a > helmet in Maryland. > > Leon > who also supports ABATE on the 2d amendment issues. > > At 04:29 PM 9/9/99 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: > > . . . > >Now y`all can pull stats out your ass > >til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 08:52:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21399 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10516 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28017 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FHU0084JH3QB7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA15649; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:51:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990910125237.EIJX28646@[166.41.251.160]>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:49:49 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: GRPNEHI loses some fizz In-reply-to: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC8C3@EMSS09M05> To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <000001befb8a$f7d6a310$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal So now will you call it GRPANKLHI ? D'oh! Sorry about the tipover. If it felt anything like my spillway incident you were probably thinking, "what the...I don't want to go that way!" Hope the damage turns out to be very minimal. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Tracy L [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:56 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: GRPNEHI loses some fizz > > > Well, GRPNEHI (Grape Ne-Hi) and I finally had our first mishap. And of > course this happens right after I tell Janine from the COG list that I > haven't dropped/fell with the new Connie yet. That all ended tonight of > course. Don't really know what I could have done different so here's the > story and you tell me. > > On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays during our > scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. > Everyday, rain or shine, I cross these tracks. Well, tonight I > sort of slid > across the 1st set of tracks near the Jenny Dean school on Wellington Road > in Manassas. I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, > the pavement > is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits the > track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a > stop but we > are still falling to I pretty much jump off. Bike lands on the > right side. > So here I am sitting in the middle of the tracks with a bike that > has a full > tank of gas wondering how I'm going to pick it up. I put down the kick > stand and attempt to lift the bike. Can't quite get it over the > top but my > knight in shining armor stops in his Chysler Town& County > mini-van and helps > me get it the rest of the way. If I had a grab spot like on the > left side, > I think I might have been able to get it myself but there's > nothing on right > that's really solid enough near the handle bars to lift on and my arm span > from handlebars to passenger grab rail is very limited. > I think know what I did, I under-estimate the slippery-ness of > the track and > had it angled in such a way it slid. All my fault. I know it > had rained - > learning all the time. > Anyways, damage report - scratch on the mirror from the 3 point stand it > did. There's too much mud and dirt on the faring too see but I couldn't > feel any scratches - nothing on the saddlebag. The soft wet > wood must have > took the impact. As for me, I got a splinter and cracked a > fingernail. My > knight, well he hates motorcycles and I just reaffirmed his > beliefs. Dale, > of course, knows nothing of this as he slumbers - think I should tell him? > Guess it can wait till morning. 'Night! > > Tracy > Tracy L. Horstman From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 08:52:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21402 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10519 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28019 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FHU0084NH3RB7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA16296; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:48:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990910125238.EIKB28646@[166.41.251.160]>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:49:51 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: GRPNEHI loses some fizz In-reply-to: To: Kirk Roy , "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <000101befb8a$f8e83a20$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Wait a minute Kirk. What about all that talk about practicing your slides? ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays > during our > > scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. > snip > > I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, the pavement > > is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits > > the track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a > > stop but we are still falling to I pretty much jump off. > > It sounds like you should've rolled on the throttle and not gotten on the > brakes. Even at low speed braking will transfer weight to the front - > exactly where you don't want it. As the saying goes, "when in doubt, gas > it". That could've potentially stood the bike back up. Also, try to hit > the tracks as close to a 90 degree angle as possible. > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > 1984 Honda XR350 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 08:58:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21516 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10534 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28146 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA15811; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:57:50 -0400 To: Daniel aka ITM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sat. ride. Message-ID: <19990910085750.A15807@kleks.org> References: <19990910085121.22490.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990910085121.22490.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>; from Daniel aka ITM on Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 01:51:21AM -0700 * Daniel aka ITM (itm_2k@XXXXXX) [990910 07:01]: > If the ride stays in Maryland, count me in. > Um... I live on West side of DC, 4 miles from Leesburg. Most likely we will do WV loop, around 33-250-219, leaving Burger King on Countryside ( Next to Regal Cinemas ) at 08:00. Lenghts of the ride 200+ miles (be warned, this + can mean another 150 miles :-). > --- CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Im for something, although, cant promise no wheelies. > > > > Sean... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 09:07:00 1999 Return-Path: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21696 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:06:59 -0400 (EDT) From: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from rcover (adsl-151-200-23-94.bellatlantic.net [151.200.23.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28360 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990910090325.007d0380@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: rcover@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:03:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GRPNEHI loses some fizz In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC8C3@EMSS09M05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:56 PM 9/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >Anyways, damage report - scratch on the mirror from the 3 point stand it >did. There's too much mud and dirt on the faring too see but I couldn't >feel any scratches - nothing on the saddlebag. The soft wet wood must have >took the impact. As for me, I got a splinter and cracked a fingernail. Glad to hear you're alright and had minimal damage to the bike. I look at it this way, now the bike is officially broken in. I dropped my 98 Connie the night I brought it home from the dealer. Looking at it this way was the only way I could deal with the fact I just dropped my brand new bike. >I think I might have been able to get it myself but there's nothing on right >that's really solid enough near the handle bars to lift on and my arm span >from handlebars to passenger grab rail is very limited. Due to a previous post from Dale (I think it was on the COG list), I know I'm about 2" taller than you. My wing span is long enough to reach handlebar to grab rail and lift the bike. But the bike is heavy and I basically have to do a "squat" lift. >I think know what I did, I under-estimate the slippery-ness of the track and >had it angled in such a way it slid. All my fault. I know it had rained - >learning all the time. I believe your right about the angle. You want to cross those things at as close to 90 degrees as possible. Plus rolling on the throttle instead of hitting the brakes may have helped. Rick Cover 98 Concours COG 3167 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 09:15:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21863 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10686 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28494 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199909100915.AA275382666@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles'" , "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: Re: GRPNEHI loses some fizz X-Mailer: Hi, Tracy. Sorry to hear about your tipover. So where'd you get that spinter, anyway? Folks tell me that righting a big bike can be easier if you back in to it -- catch the seat just above your butt and push up and back with your legs. Since you asked -- the only thing I can think of to do differently is to cross the tracks at more of a right angle and/or just expect the tire to slip a little, and ride to accommodate that. Commuting in and out of DC gets real interesting in the rain. There are metal expansion joints on many bridges, overpasses, and ramps - often in a turn. I reduce my lean angle as much as practical, and just expect the tire to slip on the joint then hook back up on the pavement. best, ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:56:24 -0400 >Well, GRPNEHI (Grape Ne-Hi) and I finally had our first mishap. And of course this happens right after I tell Janine from the COG list that I haven't dropped/fell with the new Connie yet. That all ended tonight of course. Don't really know what I could have done different so here's the story and you tell me. On my way back into work (I work early morning on some Fridays during our scheduled outage - Dale hates it), I have to cross 2 sets of RR tracks. Everyday, rain or shine, I cross these tracks. Well, tonight I sort of slid across the 1st set of tracks near the Jenny Dean school on Wellington Road in Manassas. I was going pretty slow since they are so bumpy, the pavement is pushing through the tracks - all of the sudden the front tire hits the track and slides, I apply the rear brake, slow down to almost a stop but we are still falling to I pretty much jump off. Bike lands on the right side. So here I am sitting in the middle of the tracks with a bike that has a full tank of gas wondering how I'm going to pick it up. I put down the kick stand and attempt to lift the bike. Can't quite get it over the top but my knight in shining armor stops in his Chysler Town& County mini-van and helps me get it the rest of the way. If I had a grab spot like on the left side, I think I might have been able to get it myself but there's nothing on right that's really solid enough near the handle bars to lift on and my arm span from handlebars to passenger grab rail is very limited. I think know what I did, I under-estimate the slippery-ness of the track and had it angled in such a way it slid. All my fault. I know it had rained - learning all the time. Anyways, damage report - scratch on the mirror from the 3 point stand it did. There's too much mud and dirt on the faring too see but I couldn't feel any scratches - nothing on the saddlebag. The soft wet wood must have took the impact. As for me, I got a splinter and cracked a fingernail. My knight, well he hates motorcycles and I just reaffirmed his beliefs. Dale, of course, knows nothing of this as he slumbers - think I should tell him? Guess it can wait till morning. 'Night! Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 Pager: (800) 404-3758 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 09:19:15 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user77.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.77]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21882 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567E8.004942E6 ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:20:12 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Thomas and Jeannette" cc: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567E8.00494283.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:51 -0400 Subject: Re: The Zells vs. The Washington Post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline LIAR! LOL Zeus would've eaten the photographer, not to mention ruin my dress! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Thomas and Jeannette" on 09/09/99 10:50:55 PM To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: The Zells vs. The Washington Post Hey... I wanted the VFRs and the Pit Bulls in the wedding pictures but the wife wouldn't go for it! ;-) Tom From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 10:00:38 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f69.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22622 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24278 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 14:00:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910140005.24277.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.122.252.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:00:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.122.252.48] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:00:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Anybody riding this Sunday?. The U.S. Grand Prix of motocross is at Budds Creek if anyone is interested. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 10:13:12 1999 Return-Path: chris@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22789 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:13:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199909101013.AA178520678@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: For Sale - 1989 BMW K100LT (ABS) X-Mailer: For sale - ********************************************************************* 1989 BMW K100LT (ABS) Dark Blue, 87K, $4,900. All new splines (clutch, input shaft, drive shaft, final drive), new battery & tires, radio/cassette, factory alarm, saddlebags & trunk, 2 extra windshields, K-Heat guards. Chris, Falls Church, VA (703)534-1510, chris@XXXXXX ********************************************************************* thanks, -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 10:50:49 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23525 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:41:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RVT... still drooling.. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:35:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Damn, just read the MO report... ram air that goes THROUGH the frame/headstock! How cool (and $$$) is that? I can feel my bank account begging for mercy even now.. I wonder if we can get the black/silver/red combo with black frame/swingarm... or if it'll be the 'traditional' looking frame.... ok, I'm go back and drool somemore. Anyone wanna loan me about $4k? I could buy one straight-up then.. ;) Brian McCoy (drooling and fantasizing about the FIRST Honda bike that's affordable and will be supported impressively by HRC since my beloved 86/87 VFR series) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 10:52:13 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23545 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03969; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:51:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990910104929.01452b40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:50:02 -0400 To: Bill Huson From: Troutman Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Cc: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <37D8F4FB.D697781E@patriot.net> References: <000a01befad0$a2ac8770$37163495@ascend.com> <3.0.3.32.19990910070751.006ab774@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:09 AM 9/10/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >How cool. Would you also support a *2nd amendment* issue such as removing the >requirement that personal watercraft riders must wear flotation vests? How >about eye protection on bikes? Seat belt laws? Child seat laws? And how about >those ridiculous laws that one must be clothed in public. I luv to let my skin >breath. Yes. Yes. Yes. No. Maybe - women only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 13:41:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26517 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12655 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08530 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04355; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990910134038.013eef00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:41:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Tough Luck (NVFR) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Poetic Justice: Police Suspended For Speeding LONDON (Reuters) - In a ruling likely to bring a smile to most drivers, a Welsh court has suspended three policemen from riding their motorbikes for speeding. Officials said the North Wales police officers were banned from the roads for 28 days after riding at 110 mph -- well beyond the 70-mph national speed limit -- in the middle of a motorcycle safety campaign. But the men got off relatively lightly. A civilian caught traveling over the 100 mph mark can expect either a hefty fine or a ban that could stretch to five years. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 17:30:35 1999 Return-Path: vas@XXXXXX Received: from BLAISE (integ.com [207.32.114.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00808 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vas-nt (VAS-NT.integ.com [172.16.1.39]) by BLAISE with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id SQ1N193V; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:29:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Richard Holman" From: "Vas Majer" To: , Subject: HighlandCountyBenefitMotorcycleTour Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:28:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001401befbd3$73a30f90$270110ac@vas-nt.integ.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Highland County Benefit Motorcycle Tour Monterey, Virginia Date: Sunday, 19 September 1999 Time: 12 noon::4pm Place: Highland Inn Main Street Monterey, Virginia Info: secrets@XXXXXX 540.474.3333 evening 540.468.2031 day Join Tooth and Link, the infamous Sprocket Brothers, [hosts of the BikerShow on WVLS 89.7fm, Voice of the Virginia Western Highlands] on a Motorcycle Tour to benefit victims of a home fire in Highland County. Departing from Monterey's historic Highland Inn, Tooth and Link will lead a motorcycle tour on some of the twistiest asphalt through some of most beautiful mountain country on the east coast. Voluntary donations to benefit the fire victims will be gratefully accepted. Tooth Sprocket Link Sprocket From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 17:35:54 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00899 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (granth@localhost) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with SMTP id RAA01587; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: sv650@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SV for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Extraneous circumstances forcing sale. 99 SV650 20W fork oil w/spacers (MUCH improved over stock). TBR full exhaust, still have original. Dynojet jet kit... jetting still needs a little sorting, but the mains are on. Buell windscreen. Broken in gently, oil changed at 500 and 1000 miles. Just changed oil w/Mobil 1, so you'll be good to go. Only 3000 miles. Call (703) 435-1946 to talk. ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 19:02:46 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02366 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (216-164-132-27.s281.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.132.27]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23557; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01befbdf$c571c940$1b84a4d8@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , References: <19990909210837.B15459@kleks.org> Subject: Re: Saturday ride Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:56:49 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My buddy Kevin and I are interested in riding on Saturday. I need to break in my new tires. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 9:08 PM Subject: Saturday ride > Any plans for Saturday ride ? > (moderate pace, no wheelies, quite often getting lost, sometimes I end > up on a gravel road... )... > > > _zjt > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird C43 AMG - Silver > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 19:11:28 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02477 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA03580 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:11:10 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:54:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFBBD.F5E57940.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: GRPNEHI loses some fizz Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:54:49 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ouch! Glad to hear your OK. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Horstman, Tracy L [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:56 PM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: GRPNEHI loses some fizz Well, GRPNEHI (Grape Ne-Hi) and I finally had our first mishap. And of course this happens right after I tell Janine from the COG list that I haven't dropped/fell with the new Connie yet. That all ended tonight of course. Don't really know what I could have done different so here's the story and you tell me. snip Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 Pager: (800) 404-3758 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 20:45:17 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04078 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-205.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.205]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA20037 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:45:12 -0400 Message-ID: <011f01befbee$b3c25c00$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:43:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011C_01BEFBCD.17BBBE80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BEFBCD.17BBBE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter = scale. Here's the story. =20 On this lovely Friday afternoon, needed to errand about 2:30p from = Alex'a OId Town to Braddock/495. South on Rte1 -- West on Beltway - = Braddock Road. =20 Pulled out of the merge lane from Rte 1 onto the Bwy, moved to middle. = Trucks around. Settled in at speed with huge one at 7 o'clock, big one = at 5, cars at 6 in rear and large flatbed with strapped 8'? wood boxes = at 12 in front. Me in the box canyon, ripe for ambush. Not = comfortable. Want to ease out. No opportunity. Decide to wait a bit. = =20 Contemplate the truck in front. Hmmm. Looks like the transverse = securing strap I can see is holding the box in the middle, not on the = end. Hmmm. Seems to be a flapping strap at the rear. Unsettling. = Hmmm. Should get out of here. Too nice a day to be still in box. = Exit-radar up a couple of notches but still settled in and cruising = well. Road smooth. =20 Whang. Keerang. Jeeezuuuz. In front a large handcart pops from among = the boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap. = Suffering Sadaam! It hits the road, does a loop, still attached. I = start to pucker. Jeeezuuuz. I'm following by two or three seconds, = still boxed, and no clue as to what this thing is going to do. Envision = pressure-welded 6-wheel bike/handcart with probable steering problems. = I flutter the brakes slowing as fast as possible and see 6's behind stay = distance. Thank God the cart still attached. It bounces a couple of = more times. 2-3 seconds pass, an eternity, but I'm now more confident = have lead time to swerve/avoid. =20 F i n a l l y, brake lights ahead come on as trouble sensed. Handcart = still bouncing, I'm still at risk, but 5 and 7 o'clock trucks are = scooting ahead and rears stay back. 5 passes the front on the right. = Front signals right, slows, and heads for shoulder, 'cart now dragging. = I downshift, WFO to pass and pitifully sound horn. Truck driver, = slowing, looks down, shrugs, smiles. I'm too glued to handlebars to = gesture. Want to get license (and driver) but going too fast in much = traffic. =20 Need stiff, stiff drink. No, too much riding left. Vow to find pill = for this condition. Continue. Dismount at this ride's end. Not = embarrassed. Lucky. Once again, no more truckin' likin' on the slabs. = Seen remnants of and now experienced too many loose loads. Worse than = roadrage. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BEFBCD.17BBBE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the record -- a = near miss at=20 about level 5 on the pucker-Richter scale.  Here's the story.  =
 
On this lovely Friday = afternoon,=20 needed to errand about 2:30p from Alex'a OId Town to Braddock/495.  = South=20 on Rte1 -- West on Beltway - Braddock Road. 
 
Pulled out of the merge lane from Rte 1 = onto the=20 Bwy, moved to middle.  Trucks around.  Settled in at speed = with huge=20 one at 7 o'clock, big one at 5, cars at 6 in rear and large flatbed with = strapped 8'? wood boxes at 12 in front.  Me in the box canyon, ripe = for=20 ambush.  Not comfortable.   Want to ease out.  No=20 opportunity.  Decide to wait a bit. 
 
Contemplate the truck in front.  = Hmmm. =20 Looks like the transverse securing strap I can see is holding the box in = the=20 middle, not on the end.  Hmmm.  Seems to be a flapping strap = at the=20 rear.  Unsettling.  Hmmm.  Should get out of here.  = Too nice=20 a day to be still in box.  Exit-radar up a couple of notches but = still=20 settled in and cruising well.  Road smooth. 
 
Whang.  Keerang.  = Jeeezuuuz.  In=20 front a large handcart pops from among the boxes and is dangling to the = right=20 flopping from the loose strap.  Suffering Sadaam!  It hits the = road,=20 does a loop, still attached.  I start to pucker.  = Jeeezuuuz.  I'm=20 following by two or three seconds, still boxed, and no clue as to what = this=20 thing is going to do.  Envision pressure-welded 6-wheel = bike/handcart with=20 probable steering problems.  I flutter the brakes slowing as fast = as=20 possible and see 6's behind stay distance.  Thank God the cart = still=20 attached.  It bounces a couple of more times.  2-3 seconds = pass, an=20 eternity, but I'm now more confident have lead time to = swerve/avoid. =20
 
F i n a l l y, brake lights ahead come = on as=20 trouble sensed.  Handcart still bouncing,  I'm still at risk, = but 5=20 and 7 o'clock trucks are scooting ahead and rears stay back.  5 = passes the=20 front on the right.  Front signals right, slows, and heads for = shoulder,=20 'cart now dragging.  I downshift, WFO to pass and pitifully sound=20 horn.  Truck driver, slowing, looks down, shrugs, smiles.  I'm = too=20 glued to handlebars to gesture.  Want to get license (and driver) = but going=20 too fast in much traffic. 
 
Need stiff, stiff drink.  No, too = much riding=20 left.  Vow to find pill for this condition.  Continue.  = Dismount=20 at this ride's end.  Not embarrassed.  Lucky.  Once = again, no=20 more truckin' likin' on the slabs.  Seen remnants of and now = experienced=20 too many loose loads.  Worse than roadrage. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me. 
Join the AMA.  = Help=20 protect my riding fun.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BEFBCD.17BBBE80-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 21:01:18 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04343 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-205.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.205]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20536 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:14 -0400 Message-ID: <012b01befbf0$f1003cc0$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet (cont.) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:59:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEFBCF.694FEBC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEFBCF.694FEBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After sending this, thought I'd once more reread. A thought I'd had on = the road reoccurred. That loose strap at the rear of the front truck = was probably meant to hold down the rear box (3 8?x8?x8?'s on the = flatbed). There would have been no hope for me in that moving blind = canyon should a bump have dislodged the rear box at 70. =20 On that I end this tale. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Yes. End this agonizing. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEFBCF.694FEBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After sending this, = thought I'd once=20 more reread.  A thought I'd had on the road reoccurred.  That = loose=20 strap at the rear of the front truck was probably meant to hold down the = rear=20 box (3 8?x8?x8?'s on the flatbed).  There would have been no hope = for me in=20 that moving blind canyon should a bump have dislodged the rear box at=20 70.   
 
On that I end this tale.  =
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Yes.  End this agonizing. 
Join the AMA.  Help = protect my=20 riding fun.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEFBCF.694FEBC0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 21:12:54 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f282.hotmail.com [209.185.130.221]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04519 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9592 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 01:06:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911010630.9591.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.254.22.68 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:06:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.254.22.68] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:06:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed AMEN!!!! I too have learned from experience. While riding stormbound on a Honda CB-650 on 14th St between Constitution and Independence some moron tried to share the far right lane with me. She pushed me into the curb and I slid/fell onto the curb then into the road. She broke my brake lever and mirrors. She also was responsible for messing up my leather jacket, boots, helmet, faceshield and gloves. I was flat on the street with lots of witnesses (20 or so) because this happened just in front of the slug line to Springfield. SHE SPLIT WITHOUT STOPPING and none of these fools got her license number! Everyone apparently was too busy looking at me. Me? I was annoyed, angry and stunned -- but no injuries and HJC replaced the helmet at no charge. I WILL NEVER RIDE WITHOUT A FULL FACE HELMET, JACKET, BOOTS, and GLOVES. They were all trashed. I even think that riding with heavy jeans is taking a real serious risk -- the trade off is serious heat. You will never catch me in shorts / T-Shirt. Never without a helmet. I really believe that "Only those with nothing to protect go without head protection". I've often heard older riders say that many of their friends stopped riding after their first crash. I wonder how many of those quitter crashers had little or nothing to protect themselves? > >I have a use to be nice Shoei helmet that you're welcome to examine. It was >on >my head when a left turner nailed me. I flew headfirst over his car and hit >the >pavement headfirst. The rider behind me saw gel coat flipping thru the air >and >figured I was a dead guy. Since I didn't even blink out on impact, I got to >hear >the fibreglass/kevlar laminate crunching. Now y`all can pull stats out your >ass >til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. > >Risk reduction is the name of the riding gear game. I'm sure that those who >have >fallen off thier mounts will back me up. Helmets are cheaper than heads. >Leather >slides better than skin. Lexan eats bugs and dirt. > >Bill > > >Zbigniew Tyrlik wrote: > > > Folks, usually I stay away from this subject. This time I think it is >worthy > > reading..... > > > > http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm > > > > _zjt > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 21:26:15 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f105.hotmail.com [209.185.131.168]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04691 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82711 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 01:25:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911012539.82710.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.254.22.68 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.254.22.68] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed All I can say is that it IS stupid to have an unlocked gun in a house with kids and its EVEN STUPIDER to ride without a lid. I really don't want to pay your medical claims through my insurance either.... Re. ABATE's BS statistic that states that have helmet laws have fewer riders...that's fine with me. If people can't ride unless they have to risk getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't. I really think that if you've never REALLY CRASHED you don't really know ANYTHING about helmets. >From: Leon Begeman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:07:51 -0400 > >No one is asking you to give up your helmet. The reason for the protest is >to allow us to use our own judgement in determining when it is appropriate >to wear one. Repealing the helmet law will NOT make it illegal to wear a >helmet in Maryland. > >Leon >who also supports ABATE on the 2d amendment issues. > >At 04:29 PM 9/9/99 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: > >. . . > >Now y`all can pull stats out your ass > >til you bleed but I ain't giving up my lid. > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 21:44:52 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04999 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-182.patriot.net [209.249.180.182]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA32619; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37D9B2CF.1383AA99@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:39:27 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet References: <011f01befbee$b3c25c00$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------88041B49C9DD91B8DDFE2B78" --------------88041B49C9DD91B8DDFE2B78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trucks bite. Ever seen a trac-trailer rig sling the recap off a tire? Reason enough not to ride alongside. And rare is the dump truck that doesn't offload a few pounds of gravel everytime it hits a bump. Loose loads are danger signals. Harry Homeowner with three cheesy strings holding five sheets of plywood on the roof of his Volvo is a fave. Last month on I-395 a stake body puked up a really nice industrial duty scoop shovel. Even following a good six seconds behind it was *bounce* okay, swerve - *bounce* oh shit, swerve again.... If I hadn't been on the bike I woulda stopped and picked that shovel up. It was a tough mama. When touring timber country - beware of log trucks. I didn't see a single one that could pass a cursory inspection, and you know some goober turned it loose with "Thet load ain't gonna shift on ya, Bobby Joe, I swear." Uh huh. Good dodging, pal. Keep those skills honed. Bill mobacc wrote: > For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter > scale. Here's the story. On this lovely Friday afternoon, needed to > errand about 2:30p from Alex'a OId Town to Braddock/495. South on > Rte1 -- West on Beltway - Braddock Road. Pulled out of the merge lane > from Rte 1 onto the Bwy, moved to middle. Trucks around. Settled in > at speed with huge one at 7 o'clock, big one at 5, cars at 6 in rear > and large flatbed with strapped 8'? wood boxes at 12 in front. Me in > the box canyon, ripe for ambush. Not comfortable. Want to ease > out. No opportunity. Decide to wait a bit. Contemplate the truck in > front. Hmmm. Looks like the transverse securing strap I can see is > holding the box in the middle, not on the end. Hmmm. Seems to be a > flapping strap at the rear. Unsettling. Hmmm. Should get out of > here. Too nice a day to be still in box. Exit-radar up a couple of > notches but still settled in and cruising well. Road smooth. Whang. > Keerang. Jeeezuuuz. In front a large handcart pops from among the > boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap. > Suffering Sadaam! It hits the road, does a loop, still attached. I > start to pucker. Jeeezuuuz. I'm following by two or three seconds, > still boxed, and no clue as to what this thing is going to do. > Envision pressure-welded 6-wheel bike/handcart with probable steering > problems. I flutter the brakes slowing as fast as possible and see > 6's behind stay distance. Thank God the cart still attached. It > bounces a couple of more times. 2-3 seconds pass, an eternity, but > I'm now more confident have lead time to swerve/avoid. F i n a l l y, > brake lights ahead come on as trouble sensed. Handcart still > bouncing, I'm still at risk, but 5 and 7 o'clock trucks are scooting > ahead and rears stay back. 5 passes the front on the right. Front > signals right, slows, and heads for shoulder, 'cart now dragging. I > downshift, WFO to pass and pitifully sound horn. Truck driver, > slowing, looks down, shrugs, smiles. I'm too glued to handlebars to > gesture. Want to get license (and driver) but going too fast in much > traffic. Need stiff, stiff drink. No, too much riding left. Vow to > find pill for this condition. Continue. Dismount at this ride's > end. Not embarrassed. Lucky. Once again, no more truckin' likin' on > the slabs. Seen remnants of and now experienced too many loose > loads. Worse than roadrage. Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --------------88041B49C9DD91B8DDFE2B78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trucks bite. Ever seen a trac-trailer rig sling the recap off a tire? Reason enough not to ride alongside. And rare is the dump truck that doesn't offload a few pounds of gravel everytime it hits a bump. Loose loads are danger signals. Harry Homeowner with three cheesy strings holding five sheets of plywood on the roof of his Volvo is a  fave.  Last month on I-395 a stake body puked up a really nice industrial duty scoop shovel. Even following a good six seconds behind it was *bounce* okay, swerve - *bounce* oh shit, swerve again....  If I hadn't been on the bike I woulda stopped and picked that shovel up. It was a tough mama.

When touring timber country - beware of log trucks. I didn't see a single one that could pass a cursory inspection, and you know some goober turned it loose with "Thet load ain't gonna shift on ya, Bobby Joe, I swear." Uh huh.

Good dodging, pal. Keep those skills honed.

Bill
 

mobacc wrote:

 For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter scale.  Here's the story. On this lovely Friday afternoon, needed to errand about 2:30p from Alex'a OId Town to Braddock/495.  South on Rte1 -- West on Beltway - Braddock Road. Pulled out of the merge lane from Rte 1 onto the Bwy, moved to middle.  Trucks around.  Settled in at speed with huge one at 7 o'clock, big one at 5, cars at 6 in rear and large flatbed with strapped 8'? wood boxes at 12 in front.  Me in the box canyon, ripe for ambush.  Not comfortable.   Want to ease out.  No opportunity.  Decide to wait a bit. Contemplate the truck in front.  Hmmm.  Looks like the transverse securing strap I can see is holding the box in the middle, not on the end.  Hmmm.  Seems to be a flapping strap at the rear.  Unsettling.  Hmmm.  Should get out of here.  Too nice a day to be still in box.  Exit-radar up a couple of notches but still settled in and cruising well.  Road smooth. Whang.  Keerang.  Jeeezuuuz.  In front a large handcart pops from among the boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap.  Suffering Sadaam!  It hits the road, does a loop, still attached.  I start to pucker.  Jeeezuuuz.  I'm following by two or three seconds, still boxed, and no clue as to what this thing is going to do.  Envision pressure-welded 6-wheel bike/handcart with probable steering problems.  I flutter the brakes slowing as fast as possible and see 6's behind stay distance.  Thank God the cart still attached.  It bounces a couple of more times.  2-3 seconds pass, an eternity, but I'm now more confident have lead time to swerve/avoid. F i n a l l y, brake lights ahead come on as trouble sensed.  Handcart still bouncing,  I'm still at risk, but 5 and 7 o'clock trucks are scooting ahead and rears stay back.  5 passes the front on the right.  Front signals right, slows, and heads for shoulder, 'cart now dragging.  I downshift, WFO to pass and pitifully sound horn.  Truck driver, slowing, looks down, shrugs, smiles.  I'm too glued to handlebars to gesture.  Want to get license (and driver) but going too fast in much traffic. Need stiff, stiff drink.  No, too much riding left.  Vow to find pill for this condition.  Continue.  Dismount at this ride's end.  Not embarrassed.  Lucky.  Once again, no more truckin' likin' on the slabs.  Seen remnants of and now experienced too many loose loads.  Worse than roadrage. Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me.
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.   
--------------88041B49C9DD91B8DDFE2B78-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 22:12:44 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05440 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2ETOa24004 (4510) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2960d37e.250b1459@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:37 EDT Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/10/99 9:32:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider writes: << If people can't ride unless they have to risk getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't >> OK, I guess this is where extremism requires a response. I wear a helmet. If another rider wants to ride without a helmet, let him; 26 other states permit that freedom of choice. This issue is not either/or and it should not pit rider against rider. Extremism in the pursuit of safety is not the goal here. Mature, tolerant, intellectual exchange is the preferred course of action. Remember, riders, regardless of what they ride, are regarded as borderline outlaws by the non-riding community in a lot of cases. Only fools fight in a burning house and we don't need to be at each other's throats on issues of liberty, safety and discretion. Like I said, I wear a helmet. BUT, I fight the mandatory helmet law to restore freedom of choice for those who remember a time when the Free State was......free. Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 22:54:49 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f141.hotmail.com [209.185.131.204]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06054 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40170 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 02:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911025436.40169.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.254.22.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.254.22.17] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! What so many bikers defend,most people regard as just plain stupid and worse -- very annoying. Motorcycles are regarded as outlaws because those who ride them say and do incredibly stupid things: #1: "Loud Pipes save lives" Response: The only person who can hear your loud pipes will be pissed off -- Aunt Edna and the baby you just woke up down the street! The only thing that YOUR noise will save your ass from is the moron who is BEHIND you. HEY! Maybe loud pipes will save you from the Explorer coming up from behind when you are sitting relatively quietly at a stoplight? SURE THEY WILL! GET A GRIP! GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!! Your loud obnoxious pipes make most people HATE, that's right folks, HATE ALL motorcycles, including mine! 2. "I have a right to ride without a helmet" Response: Where the hell in the US Constitution is this? At least those who fight gun laws can read the second amendment! You have no right to ride (or drive a car -- you need a license, sorry dude) and you have no right to go lidless if your state tells you you don't. Sorry again. If the "state" can tell you to wear a seatbelt because it reduces injuries and medical costs for all they damn well can tell you to wear a helmet. That's life. 3. "A Helmet will injure me, make my neck get hurt, makes it so I can't see..." Responses: Man is this dumb. Which would you rather hit your sorry stupid melon directly on a concrete road or a concrete road cushioned by an inch of styrofoam, fiberglass and plastic designed to reduce the impact to the head and neck? Would you rather crush your skull and knock around your brain in its own blood with or without an inch cushion? Would you rather break your neck with the direct impact of your skull on the pavement or would you rather risk that the helmet would cushion it just a little bit? How many football players do you see pounding their heads lidless onto the grass every weekend? Where I grew up, if you wanted to play football you had to suit up. The DMV is just doing the same for those who want to "play" on motorcycles. 3. "Its not comfy, it itches, makes me sweat, I don't like it... Hey have you tried another brand? Another size? Exactly how long did you try that $400 thing on in the store? 5 minutes? Did you at least take a ride with it on? If not too bad. >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:37 EDT > >In a message dated 9/10/99 9:32:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider >writes: > ><< If people can't ride unless they have to risk > getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't >> > >OK, I guess this is where extremism requires a response. >I wear a helmet. If another rider wants to ride without a helmet, let him; >26 >other states permit that freedom of choice. >This issue is not either/or and it should not pit rider against rider. >Extremism in the pursuit of safety is not the goal here. >Mature, tolerant, intellectual exchange is the preferred course of action. >Remember, riders, regardless of what they ride, are regarded as borderline >outlaws by the non-riding community in a lot of cases. Only fools fight in >a >burning house and we don't need to be at each other's throats on issues of >liberty, safety and discretion. >Like I said, I wear a helmet. BUT, I fight the mandatory helmet law to >restore freedom of choice for those who remember a time when the Free State >was......free. >Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 10 23:29:33 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06588 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-117-50.s50.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.50]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02278 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:29:29 -0400 Message-ID: <007f01befc05$db000440$0623accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <011f01befbee$b3c25c00$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> Importance: Normal All I can say is, Wow. Glad you made it. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (63K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Bill S. said: For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter scale. Here's the story... From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 00:17:18 1999 Return-Path: bmwk75@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07687 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA04433 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust177.tnt1.columbia.mo.da.uu.net [63.23.213.177]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13391; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D9D6F3.C45EB35@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:13:39 -0500 From: Ralph Couey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Yet another view on helmets. References: <19990911025436.40169.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Allis wrote: > > WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter wrote: > >OK, I guess this is where extremism requires a response. > >> Yo, Dudes...DECAF!!! --Ralphie boy From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 00:31:22 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07982 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 3OZLa22972 (4447); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:30:33 EDT Subject: Saturday ride?!?!? Where? When? To: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 It's 12:30 am.....is the ride still on? Where is the meeting point? When are we meeting? I'll check email at 7am. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 01:29:48 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA08806 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA20927; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:33:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Bill Huson cc: mobacc , Dc Cycles Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet In-Reply-To: <37D9B2CF.1383AA99@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yo! Could you guys please send stuff in text/ascii rather than html? Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 02:09:20 1999 Return-Path: dkelly@XXXXXX Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (root@XXXXXX [208.147.154.56]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10171 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt4-208-166-127-249.dialup.HiWAAY.net [208.166.127.249]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA10692; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:07:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA97800; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:48:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199909110548.AAA97800@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Doug Allis" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Yet another view on helmets. In-reply-to: Message from "Doug Allis" of "Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:35 PDT." <19990911025436.40169.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:48:05 -0500 Sender: dkelly@XXXXXX "Doug Allis" writes: > 2. "I have a right to ride without a helmet" You need an attitude adjustment. You should calm down and realize the thick-skulled militant helmetless rider is simply chlorine in the gene pool. Without chlorine all kinds of nasty things swim in the pool. In any case, there is proof Darwin was right. The helmetless are already hard-headed. This demonstrates evolution works. If this is allowed to continue for eons there might be a breed of humans with skulls offering more protection than the best of today's helmets. On the other hand, I don't plan on swimming in *that* gene pool. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@XXXXXX ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 07:21:17 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from zzapp.org (zzapp.org [206.165.125.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17700 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-254-245.s245.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.254.245]) by zzapp.org with SMTP (IPAD 2.5) id 5452800 ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:20:55 -0400 From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <19990911012539.82710.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. Message-Id: <199909111120.5452800@zzapp.org> On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:38 PDT, Doug Allis wrote: >All I can say is that it IS stupid to have an unlocked gun in a house with >kids and its EVEN STUPIDER to ride without a lid. I really don't want to >pay your medical claims through my insurance either.... > >Re. ABATE's BS statistic that states that have helmet laws have fewer >riders...that's fine with me. If people can't ride unless they have to risk >getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't. > >I really think that if you've never REALLY CRASHED you don't really know >ANYTHING about helmets. Why is it that people get upset that someone else wants a little freedom of choice in the world. Personally, I am tired of the government telling me how I need to live my life.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 "Grimmy" '78 Suzuki GS400 "Chick Magnet" ABATE of Maryland MRF / AMA / HRCA Iron Butt Association "Misplaced Idahoan" From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 08:15:40 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18500 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:15:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2OJCa09417 (4327) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9b25d181.250ba1c3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:14:59 EDT Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/10/99 11:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider writes: << WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! What so many bikers defend,most people regard as just plain stupid and worse -- very annoying. Motorcycles are regarded as outlaws because those who ride them say and do incredibly stupid things: >> Let me ask a question: What is your goal here? Mine is to give riders the freedom to choose as they are in 26 other states. What's yours? Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 10:22:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20993 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18373 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03971 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-35-163.s163.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.35.163]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03889; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01befc3f$d832ce20$8190fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "DC Cycles" , Subject: Summit Paving - No new info from me Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:24:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I had understood that the work was going to happen this coming week, not in the previous week. I remember thinking it seemed like an awfully short window of opportunity, and one that could jepordize our whole weekend if the weather broke when they were finished chewing it up but not finished laying the new stuff down. I'm no paver though, so who knows how they work it. I'm so dang curious that I may drive up one night this week just to check it out. If I do I will of course report back. I wouldn't mind just one more race with all the familiar lines and especially braking markers, if its new pavement the guys who can figure the new stuff out the fastest will have an edge. Jonathan Broga SV650 CCS 500 WERA 502 -> >We hope... FWIW, I heard from someone in the car fraternity that as of >Wednesday of this week (two days ago) there was no paving equipment at Summit >and they were running. I got the same message (indirectly) from someone who >was there at a motocycle track day on Tuesday... Doesn't sound like we are >going to have a newly repaved Summit for any events this season... > ><> > >To unsubscribe: SV650-request@XXXXXX >with: unsubscribe - in message body > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 11:14:52 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21846 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FHW00F2FIBOHP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:14:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA11873; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:09:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.167.14]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990911151411.OIAO612@toddnt>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:14:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:11:30 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet In-reply-to: <011f01befbee$b3c25c00$72a4fccd@newmicronpc> To: mobacc , Dc Cycles Message-id: <000601befc67$ed4844c0$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal You paint an interesting picture Bill. Suffering Sadaam? Ha, Ha! Reminds me of a time coming home from school (George Mason), on 123 right past the post office in old town. Truck in front of me spits a few chunks of fire wood right at the turn. Me set up on the little Shadow swerve once, twice, three times and a kick with right boot to bouncing fourth peice of wood. This is the weird shit they can't teach in school. Todd -----Original Message----- From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 8:43 PM To: Dc Cycles Subject: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet For the record -- a near miss at about level 5 on the pucker-Richter scale. .... .. Me in the box canyon, ripe for ambush. Not comfortable. .... .. Too nice a day to be still in box. Exit-radar up a couple of notches but still settled in and cruising well. Road smooth. Whang. Keerang. Jeeezuuuz. In front a large handcart pops from among the boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap. Suffering Sadaam! .... Envision pressure-welded 6-wheel bike/handcart with probable steering problems. .... Need stiff, stiff drink. No, too much riding left. Vow to find pill for this condition. .... Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Handcarts O.K. when carrying parts for me. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 11:22:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22006 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FHW00H7OINUX3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:21:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29035; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:20:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.167.14]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990911152126.OIHE612@toddnt>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:21:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:18:44 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: The only View?? Was: Yet another view on helmets. In-reply-to: <19990911025436.40169.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Doug Allis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Message-id: <000701befc68$f0275360$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal So much for "Mature, tolerant, intellectual exchange". Way to go Zbig. Now look what you've started. Heheheh. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:55 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; pc800@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. > > > WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! What so many bikers defend,most people regard as just > plain stupid and worse -- very annoyingHEY! > Maybe loud pipes will save you from the Explorer coming up from > behind when > you are sitting relatively quietly at a stoplight? SURE THEY WILL! GET A > GRIP! GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!! Your loud obnoxious pipes make most people > HATE, that's right folks, HATE ALL motorcycles, including mine! > 3. "A Helmet will injure me, make my neck get hurt, makes it so I can't > see..." > Responses: Man is this dumb. This is how presidential debates should always start. Ad hominum. Canidate1: "The economy can be cured by allowing the federal gubmnt to meddle with interest rates." Can2: "Man your stupid. Everything you say is wrong AND EVERYTHING I SAY IS RIGHT." Can1: "Ok, you win...." > > > >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. > >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:37 EDT > > > >In a message dated 9/10/99 9:32:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider > >writes: > > > ><< If people can't ride unless they have to risk > > getting bugs in the teeth and dents in the brain then they shouldn't >> > > > >OK, I guess this is where extremism requires a response. > >I wear a helmet. If another rider wants to ride without a > helmet, let him; > >26 > >other states permit that freedom of choice. > >This issue is not either/or and it should not pit rider against rider. > >Extremism in the pursuit of safety is not the goal here. > >Mature, tolerant, intellectual exchange is the preferred course > of action. > >Remember, riders, regardless of what they ride, are regarded as > borderline > >outlaws by the non-riding community in a lot of cases. Only > fools fight in > >a > >burning house and we don't need to be at each other's throats on > issues of > >liberty, safety and discretion. > >Like I said, I wear a helmet. BUT, I fight the mandatory helmet law to > >restore freedom of choice for those who remember a time when the > Free State > >was......free. > >Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 12:27:02 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23031 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id MAA02842 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:26:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:26:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Summit Paving - No new info from me In-Reply-To: <001e01befc3f$d832ce20$8190fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > I had understood that the work was going to happen this coming week, not in > the previous week. I remember thinking it seemed like an awfully short The paving has been scheduled for the 13th - 17th since day one. I'm not sure why people keep saying otherwise since the main course schedule is packed except for these dates. It is a short amount of time but it may be that we're used to highway crew (non-)effeciency and not a contractor who wants to get the job done and go somewhere else. ::shrug:: I also may go by there next week and check it out. If I do, I'll take my digital camera and see if I can get some pics. - Brian > >We hope... FWIW, I heard from someone in the car fraternity that as of > >Wednesday of this week (two days ago) there was no paving equipment at > Summit > >and they were running. I got the same message (indirectly) from someone who > >was there at a motocycle track day on Tuesday... Doesn't sound like we are > >going to have a newly repaved Summit for any events this season... > > > ><> > > > >To unsubscribe: SV650-request@XXXXXX > >with: unsubscribe - in message body > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 14:07:55 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24612 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21558 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8827@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:14:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter wrote: >Let me ask a question: What is your goal here? > Mine is to give riders the freedom to choose as they are in 26 other states. > What's yours? To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible. One item I have failed to see in these emotional debates is what impact helmet laws have on the rates we pay for automotive insurance. Also, the insurance companies use actuary science (i.e., statistics) to make money so I feel that I can trust them to protect their own interests in this regard. Isolating any other factors and conditions one should expect that the safest option would equate to the lower rate as to whether a state requires a helmet or not. Just my logical compulsion, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 17:21:35 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27582 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2OKVa23997 (4539) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8998764a.250c21b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:20:52 EDT Subject: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjay@XXXXXX writes: "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following background information. 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when helmet laws were repealed. a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask the following question. "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July 1980 when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific person making that statement. 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has raised rates in a state where the helmet law has been repealed. a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask the following question. "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific person making that statement. Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will not pay off if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening technique. However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low as possible that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, training, education, etc). However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests for that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an insurance company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or repeal of the law. Thoughts? Comments? Bill Gawthrop From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 17:49:52 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27985 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.32] (user-2iveo10.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.32]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09471; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909112149.RAA09471@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:52:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates From: "John Whiteside" To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests for > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an insurance > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > repeal of the law. > > Thoughts? Comments? First thought: I can't believe I'm even entering this discussion, but what the hell... Second thought & comment: I'm sure you're not suggesting that helmet laws could affect insurance rates is an explicit decision by a company to raise rates. I think it's pretty obvious that if helmet laws increased helmet usage and thus decreased deaths and injuries, the costs of insuring motorcyclists would drop, and then premiums would. I'm not suggesting for a moment that I believe every chain in that link of events is valid, but I think that's the theory. Final thought: you're kind of a Johnny One-Note. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 17:54:48 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28063 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FHX0070B0V0G9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:54:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA04273; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:54:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.175.120]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990911215435.OYRP612@toddnt>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:54:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:51:51 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates In-reply-to: <8998764a.250c21b4@aol.com> To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000901befc9f$daa9bff0$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX [mailto:Gawthrop@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mjay@XXXXXX > writes: > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following > background information. > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when > helmet laws were repealed. > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has > raised rates in a > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will > not pay off > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening > technique. > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low > as possible > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, > training, education, etc). > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, > the tests for > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified > an insurance > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > repeal of the law. > > Thoughts? Comments? > Bill Gawthrop Yes. Its rather nice to have someone on this list who knows (or appears to know) their facts. This issue, like other divisive issues, tends to yank all the hysteria, gloom and doom, and passion for freedom at all costs like no other. Stick around Bill, I like your attitude. I like your approach too. I'm a registered Libertarian. It has been suggested many times that yelling people down who are obviously not receptive to the basic concepts of self ownership is futile. Simple communication of the facts and realities is all that is necessary. People either take it or leave it. Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 18:03:05 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28246 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990911220615.19738.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.160] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:06:15 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: John Whiteside , Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dammit I think i got sucked in. --- John Whiteside wrote: > rates. I think it's pretty obvious that if helmet laws increased > helmet > usage and thus decreased deaths and injuries, the costs of insuring > motorcyclists would drop, and then premiums would. That depends.. maybe you'd have a higher death rate and a lower injury rate. If more riders die, they won't be making any claims for a new bike or pain and suffering, or extended stay hospital bills. Speaking of insurance I have a question.. I recall reading on my insurance that if I buy another bike, it's insured for 30 days automatically.. anyone know if that's any kind of law, or just a policy? Also if I buy the bike before the policy is cancelled or runs out, does the 30 days coverage stay in effect? If it's a law, could one tell me where to find it.. thanks === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 18:06:42 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28333 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990911220947.11878.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.160] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:09:47 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: Todd Peer , Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This kind of sucks.. we're posting here when we could be riding :) Maybe we can organize some kind of aimless ride tomorrow about noon.. point towards baltimore or annapolis and just go.. and if someone comes up with some place nice to end up, all the better. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 18:07:20 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28343 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.32] (user-2iveo10.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.32]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00656 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909112207.SAA00656@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:10:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > That depends.. maybe you'd have a higher death rate and a lower > injury rate. If more riders die, they won't be making any claims for > a new bike or pain and suffering, or extended stay hospital bills. Well the whole thing is so tenuous that it's kind of a silly argument, actually. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 18:48:14 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29007 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FHX004CG3BFB7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:47:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA01605 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:47:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.175.120]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990911224730.PASL612@toddnt> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:47:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:44:39 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Screw Hlemets.... To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <000c01befca7$3b298f70$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal ...let's piss and moan about loud pipes. Got this from another list. Thought it rather amusing. http://www.visi.com/~sullivan/loudpipe.htm Don't kill the messenger. Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 19:47:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29929 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20423 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:46:55 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10531 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vUTQ4uneg_ (4248) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e34d655.250c43fa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:47:06 EDT Subject: Nice site about a past bike show. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 http://www.iamw.com/babs.html From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:25:55 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00575 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA32593; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:25:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37DAF1CB.4F0AA7D1@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:20:27 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel aka ITM CC: John Whiteside , Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates References: <19990911220615.19738.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel aka ITM wrote: > I have a question.. I recall reading on my insurance that if > I buy another bike, it's insured for 30 days automatically.. anyone > know if that's any kind of law, or just a policy? Also if I buy > the bike before the policy is cancelled or runs out, does the 30 days > coverage stay in effect? > > If it's a law, could one tell me where to find it.. thanks I not sure that's a *law* but it is standard procedure for every insurance company I've dealt with. One exception - car insurance covers the 30 day new car deal but not a new bike. About a week after I got mine after a cycle ownership lapse of a few years I called my agent to add the bike and he sez I need to write another policy - like for a bike, and that I wasn't auomatically insured. Oops. FYI - State farm doesn't offer multi-bike discounts like they do on cars, and no perks for MSF RiderCourse completion. But the rate is cheap. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:28:58 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00649 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA32767; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:28:52 -0400 Message-ID: <37DAF287.44B47B3C@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:23:35 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel aka ITM CC: Todd Peer , Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates References: <19990911220947.11878.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll probably be tooling around VA, but Solomans Island is a nice putt for MD guys and gals. Check out the Calvert County Marine Museum - that wood frame building was my elementry school. Bill Daniel aka ITM wrote: > This kind of sucks.. we're posting here when we could be > riding :) > > Maybe we can organize some kind of aimless ride tomorrow about > noon.. point towards baltimore or annapolis and just go.. > and if someone comes up with some place nice to end up, > all the better. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:30:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00733 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:30:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199909112030.AA134414956@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Dc Cycles" , "mobacc" Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "mobacc" ... In front a large handcart pops from among the boxes and is dangling to the right flopping from the loose strap. Suffering Sadaam! It hits the road, does a loop, still attached. I start to pucker. Jeeezuuuz. I'm following by two or three seconds, still boxed, and no clue as to what this thing is going to do. ------------------------- After getting used to lane-splitting in DC, I now see more escape routes on the road than I used to. Would splitting to move ahead, on the side opposite the hand truck, have been a possible escape route for you? Glad you're hear to tell us about it, -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:33:03 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00755 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:32:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199909112032.AA158335340@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: mobacc , Bill Huson CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Trucks bite. Ever seen a trac-trailer rig sling the recap off a tire? ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, right in front of me at 70mph in the left lane. And some people say protective gear is too uncomfortable to always wear ... -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:35:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00842 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:35:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199909112035.AA85328446@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Yet another view on helmets. X-Mailer: Careful. This is the same argument people use to ban motorcycles. After all, motorcycles are more risky than cars. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michael Jay Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:14:38 -0400 >>Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter wrote: >Let me ask a question: What is your goal here? > Mine is to give riders the freedom to choose as they are in 26 other states. > What's yours? To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible. One item I have failed to see in these emotional debates is what impact helmet laws have on the rates we pay for automotive insurance. Also, the insurance companies use actuary science (i.e., statistics) to make money so I feel that I can trust them to protect their own interests in this regard. Isolating any other factors and conditions one should expect that the safest option would equate to the lower rate as to whether a state requires a helmet or not. Just my logical compulsion, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 20:48:20 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01035 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-107.patriot.net [209.249.180.107]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA01179; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:48:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37DAF711.14CFD143@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:42:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Screw Hlemets.... References: <000c01befca7$3b298f70$0ea72ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A funny article. Seeing as how I'm conveniently located near several major highways, I can hear LOUD pipes while I'm snuggled in my bed after a day's ride. Harleys??? Nope, Kerkers or some other aftermarket pipes mounted on the basic UJM crotch rocket which is howling that sweet hi-rev song. It kinda gets me stirred up, but don't y`all dare tell my Harley buds that I *like* the sound of a UJM in full heat. And what could be lower than a crotch rocketeer kissing the gas tank whilst hanging on to those flat bars? My Harley pipes (Kerkers) are rated at 80db. I did have them perked up but unperked them for Biker Chick use. I didn't want her to get hoarse from screaming the usual instructions over the pipe noise. No foward controls either. That appears to be an awkward and damn uncomfortable way to ride. It may look *cool* to some, but I can well imagine that halfway to a distant port such as New Orleans I'd have the wrenchs out a be unconverting them to standard. Oh my, I forgot, all that FC crap is for posers who rarely ride more'n forty miles from thier trailer. And if they're not wearing ear plugs the drag pipes will have them going "Huh?" all night long. I prefer my currant state of *selective* deafness, an art us guys learn when we have a permenent mate. heh heh Bill Todd Peer wrote: > ...let's piss and moan about loud pipes. > > Got this from another list. Thought it rather amusing. > > http://www.visi.com/~sullivan/loudpipe.htm > > Don't kill the messenger. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 11 23:52:48 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03868 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id XAA03155 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates In-Reply-To: <8998764a.250c21b4@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If Helmet laws are repealed, and claims increase, I guaranty that the insurance companies would raise their rates. That's how they work. I personally oppose Helmet laws on principle, in that I do not believe the gov't has a right to tell you what your personal safety level should be. However, when that right impacts others, as could be the case with insurance, things get complicated. I personally would never get on a motorcycle without a helmet (or proper riding gear), but that's me. My personal thought has been that the insurance companies should have two rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you want to have your head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in the case of an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for that "perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not use a helmet and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. Fairly cut and dry IMHO. - Brian On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjay@XXXXXX > writes: > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following > background information. > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when > helmet laws were repealed. > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask > the following question. > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July 1980 > when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific > person making that statement. > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has raised rates in a > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask > the following question. > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July > 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific > person making that statement. > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will not pay off > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening > technique. > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low as possible > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, > training, education, etc). > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests for > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an insurance > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > repeal of the law. > > Thoughts? Comments? > Bill Gawthrop > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 04:34:48 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA08905 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id EAA27738; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:34:43 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027521; Sun, 12 Sep 99 04:34:28 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FHX00BMCUMOIX@XXXXXX>; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EA.002EF8EA ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:33:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:32:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: Brian Roach Cc: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Message-id: <852567EA.002EF6CD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Not necessarily that cut and dry ... what if not wearing a helmet results in a higher fatality rate and wearing a helmet increases survivability, albeit in an expensive comatose, non-functioning state. By your own logic (applying financial criteria to the debate)helmet wearers would be a larger drain on society so you would then be for helmet repeal, no? The entire problem with this line of reasoning is that noone can (has been able) predict the outcome of a given accident. I do believe that you are better prepared to survive an accident with a helmet on, thus I wear one ... however, wearing a helmet does not ensure you will survive with a given quality of life. --chris To: 'DC-Cycles Mailing List' cc: From: Brian Roach Date: 09/12/99 03:52:46 AM GMT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates If Helmet laws are repealed, and claims increase, I guaranty that the insurance companies would raise their rates. That's how they work. I personally oppose Helmet laws on principle, in that I do not believe the gov't has a right to tell you what your personal safety level should be. However, when that right impacts others, as could be the case with insurance, things get complicated. I personally would never get on a motorcycle without a helmet (or proper riding gear), but that's me. My personal thought has been that the insurance companies should have two rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you want to have your head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in the case of an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for that "perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not use a helmet and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. Fairly cut and dry IMHO. - Brian On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjay@XXXXXX > writes: > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following > background information. > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when > helmet laws were repealed. > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask > the following question. > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July 1980 > when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific > person making that statement. > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has raised rates in a > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and ask > the following question. > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July > 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, please, > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the specific > person making that statement. > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will not pay off > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening > technique. > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low as possible > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, > training, education, etc). > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests for > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an insurance > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > repeal of the law. > > Thoughts? Comments? > Bill Gawthrop > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 06:10:07 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10280 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 06:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: gone riding.. Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:09:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) well, it's 6:10 am.. and I'm hopping on my bike.. last minute plans.. I'll be headed out up and over 211 - 33 -?? - 50 - ?? kinda making a northernly route.. Figgured I'd post, and let people know were I was headed, incase there's someone else awake right now that want's to go. I'll be passing through where 50 and 15 meet in about an hour.. meet me there, or I'll stop at the gas station in Marshal (Exxon, first exit from 66, had McD's) about 45 minutes after that for breakfast.. pretty much, from there, I'll figgure everyone's still asleep.... c-ya.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 10:23:17 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14835 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.71] (user-2iveo27.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.71]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20223 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909121423.KAA20223@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:26:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Not necessarily that cut and dry ... what if not wearing a helmet results > in a higher fatality rate and wearing a helmet increases survivability, > albeit in an expensive comatose, non-functioning state. By your own logic > (applying financial criteria to the debate)helmet wearers would be a larger > drain on society so you would then be for helmet repeal, no? > > The entire problem with this line of reasoning is that noone can (has been > able) predict the outcome of a given accident. I do believe that you are > better prepared to survive an accident with a helmet on, thus I wear one > ... however, wearing a helmet does not ensure you will survive with a given > quality of life. Without good data -- which is really hard to collect -- this argument can go on in circles forever. My personal reaction to all this? I'm against helmet laws for purely philosophical reason. And it's amazingly low on my priority list. There are plenty of things that are far greater threats to my freedom than helmet laws, and I don't believe that safety-oriented laws are inherently bad. I'm a lot more worried, for example, about the way that courts packed with Reagan and Bush appointees have chipped away at our constitutional protections than I am about helmet laws. I'm far more concerned about the religious right's efforts to chip away at the separation of church and state. I'm *way* more concerned that the American public seems to be willing to tolerate limits on free speech (one of the few areas where I think libertarian thought actually applies to the real world). So, yeah, helmet laws are a bad idea, but ultimately, I don't really care that much. Certainly not as much as I care about people who try to ban bikes from certain places. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 10:41:00 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15067 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990912144434.8577.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:44:34 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: Brian Roach , "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Roach wrote: > >> My personal thought has been that the insurance companies should > have two > rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you want to > have your > head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in the > case of > an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for > that > "perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not use a > helmet > and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. > > Fairly cut and dry IMHO. I like that idea... would love to get a discount for wearing leathers too :) === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 10:48:18 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15208 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990912145158.8402.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:51:58 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: John Whiteside , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some might argue that they start with the little things.. --- John Whiteside wrote: > > Not necessarily that cut and dry ... what if not wearing a helmet > results > > in a higher fatality rate and wearing a helmet increases > survivability, > > albeit in an expensive comatose, non-functioning state. By your > own logic > > (applying financial criteria to the debate)helmet wearers would > be a larger > > drain on society so you would then be for helmet repeal, no? > > > > The entire problem with this line of reasoning is that noone can > (has been > > able) predict the outcome of a given accident. I do believe that > you are > > better prepared to survive an accident with a helmet on, thus I > wear one > > ... however, wearing a helmet does not ensure you will survive > with a given > > quality of life. > > > Without good data -- which is really hard to collect -- this > argument can go > on in circles forever. > > My personal reaction to all this? I'm against helmet laws for > purely > philosophical reason. And it's amazingly low on my priority list. > There are > plenty of things that are far greater threats to my freedom than > helmet > laws, and I don't believe that safety-oriented laws are inherently > bad. > > I'm a lot more worried, for example, about the way that courts > packed with > Reagan and Bush appointees have chipped away at our constitutional > protections than I am about helmet laws. I'm far more concerned > about the > religious right's efforts to chip away at the separation of church > and > state. I'm *way* more concerned that the American public seems to > be willing > to tolerate limits on free speech (one of the few areas where I > think > libertarian thought actually applies to the real world). > > So, yeah, helmet laws are a bad idea, but ultimately, I don't > really care > that much. Certainly not as much as I care about people who try to > ban bikes > from certain places. > > --- > John Whiteside > whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 11:13:23 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15602 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.94] (user-2iveo2u.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.94]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24670; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909121513.LAA24670@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:16:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates From: "John Whiteside" To: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Some might argue that they start with the little things.. In this case they would -- in my opinion of course -- be wrong. And if you follow that line of reasoning, there are lots of far more disturbing trends out there than helmet laws. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 12:48:55 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17098 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id MAA03572; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:48:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX cc: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates In-Reply-To: <852567EA.002EF6CD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Not necessarily that cut and dry ... what if not wearing a helmet results > in a higher fatality rate and wearing a helmet increases survivability, > albeit in an expensive comatose, non-functioning state. By your own logic > (applying financial criteria to the debate)helmet wearers would be a larger > drain on society so you would then be for helmet repeal, no? Which is why I said "If claims increased". Insurance companies are in business to make money, and the data is what drives them to set rates. The proposal outlined was based upon the theory that costs increase with non-helmeted accidents, which I believe is true. The basic fact that a 5mph parking lot "learning fall" can chuck you over the handlebars and onto your noggin is largly in favor of this (i.e. wearing a helmet you get up and are pissed, not wearing one you are at the very *least* bleeding). Also, insurance companies pay out for death and dismemberment. The cost of replacing a motorcycle and some stitches is far less than paying out for a death (on most policies, this of course is not absolute). Long term medical care of course could exceed this, but I question that to be the norm. As I said, I'm against helmet laws on principle. The suggestion of two-tiered insurace could go either way as you suggest, depending on the data - which I do not believe would be that hard to collect as insurace companies already collect far more data than that simple fact everyday (things like airbags, seatbelts, child seats, crash data for every car on the road, etc). It would, however, get rid of the one thing that comes up in this debate time and time again, that non-helmeted riders affect helmeted riders' insurance rates. Eliminate that, and you've you eliminate the only thing that is not within the rider's own personal responsibility. The irony would definatly be if you had to pay more for wearing a helmet :) I personaly do not believe this to be the case, and would be willing to take that bet. - Brian > The entire problem with this line of reasoning is that noone can (has been > able) predict the outcome of a given accident. I do believe that you are > better prepared to survive an accident with a helmet on, thus I wear one > ... however, wearing a helmet does not ensure you will survive with a given > quality of life. (Maybe noone will read this since I already signed above...) Now you're bordering on philisophic... is no life better than some life? ::duck:: - Brian (again) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 13:16:51 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17591 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23034; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:23:35 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D882A@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'John Whiteside'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:23:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John Whiteside writes: >I'm a lot more worried, for example, about the way that courts packed with >Reagan and Bush appointees have chipped away at our constitutional >protections than I am about helmet laws. I'm far more concerned about the >religious right's efforts to chip away at the separation of church and >state. Do you refer to this passage? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." To my knowledge, Congress has passed no legislation to establish the "Church of the United States" like that of England where the monarchy is also the "Keeper of the Faith." Moreover, none of the Articles describing the powers of Congress, Executive, or Judicial branches of the United State Government include such responsibilities. The Constitution prohibits the establishment of a governmental church--thank goodness, but the separation of church and state is a myth. Endowed by the Creator, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ p.s. The ride this morning was splendid, cool breeze with warm sun. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 13:46:14 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18065 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23060 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:53:08 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D882B@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: what's up with the KAWA ZR-7 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:53:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi folks, Can anyone tell me what's up with Kawasaki's ZR-7 sport bike? Last news I had on this bike as at http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mckaw/y2kearly.html Does anyone have any news about this bike? Thanks, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 15:29:33 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19643 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.25] (user-2iveo0p.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.25]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA30205 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909121929.PAA30205@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:32:40 -0400 Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mike Jay writes > Do you refer to this passage? > > "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, > or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of > speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to > assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." > > To my knowledge, Congress has passed no legislation to establish > the "Church of the United States" like that of England where the > monarchy is also the "Keeper of the Faith." Note that I was talking about attempts, not successes. "Separation of church and state" is handy shorthand for something more complex. (Shame on me for the laziness!) We have a pretty strong tradition in this country of non-sectarian government; religion acknowledged as part our civic life, but no particular religion at the forefront. Much of the radical right has explicitly said that they want the US to be a "Christian nation" with our laws based on their particular brand of Christianity, right down to special privileges for their churches and denying equal treatment under the law to those that violate their church's precepts. This is, in my opinion, an enormous threat. It's funny you mention England. I think it's pretty ironic that the U.K., with its official church, has nothing comparable to our radical right. I have no idea why that is the case, but it's interesting. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 15:49:50 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19964 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id PAA03647 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:49:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) In-Reply-To: <199909121929.PAA30205@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, John Whiteside wrote: > It's funny you mention England. I think it's pretty ironic that the U.K., > with its official church, has nothing comparable to our radical right. I > have no idea why that is the case, but it's interesting. Unless I'm mistaken, they shipped them all off to a newly discovered country a couple hundred years ago ;) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 17:07:02 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21199 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nZPHa22972 (7990); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <910d9c3e.250d6f9b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) To: tomorrow@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 9/5/99 8:33:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tomorrow@XXXXXX writes: << Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really grabbed > the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out completely. >> Are the brakes linked?? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 17:14:08 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f195.hotmail.com [209.185.130.105]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21278 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60528 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 1999 21:13:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990912211335.60527.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.138.150 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:13:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.138.150] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Yet another view on helmets. Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:13:34 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I worry about the impact of helmetless riders on my MOTORCYCLE insurance (not auto) and loud pipes on my freedom to ride where ever I want. Its not just the Harley straight pipes that are the problem/ issue. Look and see what is happening in many communities and to off-road bikers in state and federal parks and forests. We are being restricted from private communities by noise ordances and from public and private parks and areas. The major complaint is noise, noise, noise. The helmet issue makes us all look stupid and the noise makes us look obnoxious -- NOT a good combination for exchanges with your local legislator, park ranger or congressman. I think that we could end up winning the helmet battle, but lose the real battle: making sure we can ride where/when we want. To make sure we can go where we want we should keep the mufflers on our bikes the lids on our heads and the AMA lobbying for our right to ride. >From: Michael Jay >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: RE: Yet another view on helmets. >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:14:38 -0400 > > >Bill Gawthrop, ABATE of Maryland, Anne Arundel Chapter wrote: > > >Let me ask a question: What is your goal here? > > Mine is to give riders the freedom to choose as they are in 26 other >states. > > What's yours? > >To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible. > >One item I have failed to see in these emotional debates is what >impact helmet laws have on the rates we pay for automotive insurance. > >Also, the insurance companies use actuary science (i.e., statistics) >to make money so I feel that I can trust them to protect their own >interests in this regard. > >Isolating any other factors and conditions one should expect that the >safest option would equate to the lower rate as to whether a state >requires a helmet or not. > >Just my logical compulsion, >Mike Jay >82 XJ750RJ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 17:17:25 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21382 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-36-194.s194.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.36.194]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01982; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DC1889.28674773@erols.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:18:01 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/4 Ride/Crash Report (long) References: <910d9c3e.250d6f9b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/5/99 8:33:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tomorrow@XXXXXX writes: > > << Realizing that hitting that guardrail would be disaster, I really grabbed > > the front brakes. Almost immediately, the back slid out completely. >> > > Are the brakes linked?? I did not write the above which is attributed to me. Tim Morrow MSF#21769 CCS/WERA #432 -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 17:50:42 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21950 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23454 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D882E@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wild-eyed Englishmen (non-moto) (was RE: God Bless the U.S.) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:57:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John Whitehead writes: >It's funny you mention England. I think it's pretty ironic that the U.K., >with its official church, has nothing comparable to our radical right. I >have no idea why that is the case, but it's interesting. And now for the United Kingdom field report.... Two wild-eyed pietistic radicals sighted, alias: John Wesley and Charles Wesley Also on the lamb from the Church of England, separatistic dissenter: Robert Browne Mike Jay, 82 XJ750RJ, reporting from Westminster. Back to you John. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 18:32:00 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22611 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.14] (user-2iveo0e.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.14]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06116 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909122231.SAA06116@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:35:07 -0400 Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Unless I'm mistaken, they shipped them all off to a newly discovered > country a couple hundred years ago ;) > > - Brian Heh heh, that might be it. Sure, Australia gets the fun loving convicts, we get the religious nuts.... --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 18:38:01 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22690 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.14] (user-2iveo0e.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.14]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15000 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909122237.SAA15000@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:41:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Wild-eyed Englishmen (non-moto) (was RE: God Bless the U.S.) From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > John Whitehead writes: That's WhiteSIDE thank you very much. > And now for the United Kingdom field report.... > > Two wild-eyed pietistic radicals sighted, alias: > John Wesley and Charles Wesley > > Also on the lamb from the Church of England, separatistic dissenter: > Robert Browne Is there anything there comparable in scope and influence to, say, groups like Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, Concerned Women of America, etc.? I don't mean to downplay the impact of the far right groups they do have, by the way (thinking of this summer's spate of nail bombings). It's just that some of the stuff we see here -- teach creation "science"! wait for the Rapture! antigay government policy! anti-abortion activists! TV preachers asking if you've accepted Jesus as your personal savior! etc. -- is far less common there. Even some of the things commonly viewed as religious conflicts -- I'm thinking of Northern Ireland here -- have as much to do with civil rights and the economic impact of discrimination as religion. I'm under no illusion that the UK, or Europe in general, is some kind of paradise of rational thought. The dynamics are very different, though. John, from a Church of England family. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 19:12:51 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23278 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23579; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:19:39 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8830@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'John Whiteside'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wild-eyed Englishmen (non-moto) (was RE: God Bless the U.S.) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:19:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >That's WhiteSIDE thank you very much. Sorry John, I really enjoy our banter, I meant no offense. Why yes, please pass the salt for my humble pie, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 19:22:08 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23434 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.14] (user-2iveo0e.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.14]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07221 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909122322.TAA07221@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:25:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Wild-eyed Englishmen (non-moto) (was RE: God Bless the U.S.) From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>That's WhiteSIDE thank you very much. > > Sorry John, > > I really enjoy our banter, I meant no offense. None taken. It's the number one way my name gets messed up! The most interesting the large of number of mailings lists that have me down as "John Whitencli." It does make it easy to see who's renting lists to whom though. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:03:15 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f83.hotmail.com [209.185.131.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA24968 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 48401 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1999 01:02:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990913010241.48400.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.139.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:02:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.139.221] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Screw Helmets.... Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:02:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Todd: I LOVED THIS... though it does sorta assume the loud pipes actually work. I still think that most of the "loudness" shoots out the rear (of the bike's pipes that is :) and won't do a thing 'bout that truck that still doesn't hear you and is about to take the left in front of you. Any other thoughts? >From: Todd Peer >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Screw Hlemets.... >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:44:39 -0400 > >...let's piss and moan about loud pipes. > >Got this from another list. Thought it rather amusing. > >http://www.visi.com/~sullivan/loudpipe.htm > >Don't kill the messenger. > >Todd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:12:36 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f285.hotmail.com [209.185.130.224]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25129 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38370 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1999 01:12:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990913011201.38369.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.156.139.221 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:11:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.156.139.221] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:11:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Your 2 tiered pricing system would be impossible to enforce....Would the police give you a ticket if your insurance was marked "wear helmet"? Could they pull over anyone who was not wearing a helmet just to check insurance? I suppose... >From: Brian Roach >To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" >Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:46 -0400 (EDT) > > >If Helmet laws are repealed, and claims increase, I guaranty that the >insurance companies would raise their rates. That's how they work. > >I personally oppose Helmet laws on principle, in that I do not believe the >gov't has a right to tell you what your personal safety level should be. >However, when that right impacts others, as could be the case with >insurance, things get complicated. I personally would never get on a >motorcycle without a helmet (or proper riding gear), but that's me. > >My personal thought has been that the insurance companies should have two >rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you want to have your >head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in the case of >an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for that >"perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not use a helmet >and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. > >Fairly cut and dry IMHO. > >- Brian > > >On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >mjay@XXXXXX > > writes: > > > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with the following > > background information. > > > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance premiums when > > helmet laws were repealed. > > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and >ask > > the following question. > > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective July >1980 > > when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." > > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, >please, > > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the >specific > > person making that statement. > > > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that has raised rates >in a > > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > > a. A simple test for this is to contact your insurance companies and >ask > > the following question. > > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates effective >July > > 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." > > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says they did, >please, > > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the name of the >specific > > person making that statement. > > > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that they will not pay >off > > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good customer screening > > technique. > > > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums as low as >possible > > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums (engine size, > > training, education, etc). > > > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, well, the tests >for > > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever identified an >insurance > > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on the enactment or > > repeal of the law. > > > > Thoughts? Comments? > > Bill Gawthrop > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:37:35 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25550 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-77.patriot.net [209.249.180.77]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01077; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:37:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37DC5419.12928D31@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:32:09 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates References: <19990913011201.38369.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Allis wrote: > .Would the police give you a ticket if your insurance was marked "wear > helmet"? Could they pull over anyone who was not wearing a helmet just to > check insurance? > I suppose... YES!!! Medical insurance, to be precise. Some states where helmet laws were recinded added a med insurance requirement, so that the taxpayer presumably wouldn't be burdaned with med expenses related to a crash. This is quite bogus because the law now has an excuse to stop and check every frigging lidless biker for proof of med insurance. I believe that's called a Phyric (sp?) victory. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:38:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25560 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:38:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) uhh.. was Brian's post about INSURANCE RATES.. not enforcment.. I like Brian's ideas... sounds logical to me. Of course, for that Simple reason, noone will ever accept it. McCoy (damnit, I broke down and posted something involved with this stupid thread) > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 9:12 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates > > > Your 2 tiered pricing system would be impossible to > enforce....Would the > police give you a ticket if your insurance was marked "wear > helmet"? Could > they pull over anyone who was not wearing a helmet just to > check insurance? > I suppose... > > > >From: Brian Roach > >To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" > >Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates > >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:52:46 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >If Helmet laws are repealed, and claims increase, I guaranty that the > >insurance companies would raise their rates. That's how they work. > > > >I personally oppose Helmet laws on principle, in that I do > not believe the > >gov't has a right to tell you what your personal safety > level should be. > >However, when that right impacts others, as could be the case with > >insurance, things get complicated. I personally would never get on a > >motorcycle without a helmet (or proper riding gear), but that's me. > > > >My personal thought has been that the insurance companies > should have two > >rates - helmeted and non-helmeted. Pretty simple. If you > want to have your > >head exposed to danger (And incur higher health-care cost in > the case of > >an accident), that's fine but you'd have to pony up the cash for that > >"perk". If someone who has a "helmeted" policy were to not > use a helmet > >and suffer injury, the policy would be null and void. > > > >Fairly cut and dry IMHO. > > > >- Brian > > > > > >On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/99 2:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >mjay@XXXXXX > > > writes: > > > > > > "To keep my motorcycle insurance premiums as low as possible" > > > > > > This is a good point worth discussing so lets start with > the following > > > background information. > > > > > > 1. There is no insurance company that increased insurance > premiums when > > > helmet laws were repealed. > > > a. A simple test for this is to contact your > insurance companies and > >ask > > > the following question. > > > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance rates > effective July > >1980 > > > when Maryland repealed an earlier Mandatory Helmet Law." > > > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says > they did, > >please, > > > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the > name of the > >specific > > > person making that statement. > > > > > > 2. Similarly, there has been no insurance company that > has raised rates > >in a > > > state where the helmet law has been repealed. > > > a. A simple test for this is to contact your > insurance companies and > >ask > > > the following question. > > > "Did (your company) increase it's insurance > rates effective > >July > > > 1992 when Maryland imposed the Mandatory Helmet Law." > > > b. If anyone does find an insurance company that says > they did, > >please, > > > PLEASE, provide me their name and phone number and the > name of the > >specific > > > person making that statement. > > > > > > Now, you will find companies whose policies state that > they will not pay > >off > > > if you are not wearing a helmet and that's a good > customer screening > > > technique. > > > > > > However, if your objective is to keep insurance premiums > as low as > >possible > > > that are a wider variety of issues that adjust premiums > (engine size, > > > training, education, etc). > > > > > > However, to contend that helmet laws influence premiums, > well, the tests > >for > > > that contention are there and todate, no one has ever > identified an > >insurance > > > company that raised or lowered their premiums based on > the enactment or > > > repeal of the law. > > > > > > Thoughts? Comments? > > > Bill Gawthrop > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:41:01 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25573 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2JQC0IyjPL (3927) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f6adb79.250daffd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:40:13 EDT Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/12/99 5:18:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider writes: << I worry about the impact of helmetless riders on my MOTORCYCLE insurance (not auto) and loud pipes on my freedom to ride where ever I want >> <> <> <> - just yours? What about others? See our earlier e.mails about insruance rates neither rising or lowering when helmet laws are passed or recinded. Doesn't happen. (The request is for anyone to identify an occassion that it has occurred and provide me the name of the insurance spokesman making that statement. I am, infact, trying to find such an incident but I have not been able to find it todate.) This is one of those times were we should not think in terms of surrendering the responsible discretion of others to protect our own. The Germans tried that in the 30s; eventually, the knock came to their door as well. Why don't we use the following as a base line for responsible motorcycle legislation. Good law protects person A from the actions of Person B Bad law protects person A from himself. Government should not cross the line into passing bad law. Thoughts? Comments? Bill Gawthrop From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:53:15 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25808 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-45-122.s122.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.45.122]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08915 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:53:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000301befd8a$bafcdac0$7a2daccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990913011201.38369.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal It may be difficult to administer, but the police wouldn't be involved other than to report whether or not a person involved in an accident was wearing a helmet or not. No helmet would be required by law. The insurance company should be able to tell whether or not (if in question) a helmet was worn by the nature of the injuries. I've had similar fantasies about seat belt use. Allow the insurance companies to be 'less liable' for medical costs when a person is injured when he/she is not wearing a seat belt. Insurance costs wouldn't be any less (to buy insurance), but folks who insist on not wearing a seatbelt would be held responsible for their actions. The problems occur when the helmet comes off during the accident (or the seat belts malfunction). My fantasy. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (63K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Doug Allis said: Your 2 tiered pricing system would be impossible to enforce....Would the police give you a ticket if your insurance was marked "wear helmet"? Could they pull over anyone who was not wearing a helmet just to check insurance? I suppose... From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:53:33 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25817 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2ENLa03711 (3927) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e84b3f7.250db2e8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:52:40 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Rates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 9/12/99 9:42:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a rider writes: << This is quite bogus because the law now has an excuse to stop and check every frigging lidless biker for proof of med insurance. I believe that's called a Phyric (sp?) victory >> Perhaps, but there are no reports of it happening; this was a concern of the MRFs and they have been watching the police carefully on this issue. There are instances of black riders getting hassled by the police using the medical stuff, but, unfortunately, that's symptomatic of a more malevolent issue. The only time the police are really checking is after the fact for traffic accidents - as far as reporting indicates at this time. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 21:55:41 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25831 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0170.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.202]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA12940 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DC85D6.270E@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:04:22 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Religion/Politics/Helmets (non-moto) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, Actually no gals participated today, (I guess the Dead were right :) but my space bar was moving 'rapido presto' (D-mode here) trying to FF through non-moto content. Let's drop it shall we? Let's also drop the dreaded helmet thread, which has reared its ugly head too. I'm sure some of you will be eager to throw in your two-bits worth tomorrow when you get back to work, but please try to control yourselves :) TIA, JK From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 12 23:54:47 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA27786 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4712 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 03:57:13 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 03:57:13 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA00561; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:50:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:50:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199909130350.XAA00561@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Yet another view on helmets. On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:09:31 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >How cool. Would you also support a *2nd amendment* issue such as removing the >requirement that personal watercraft riders must wear flotation vests? How >about eye protection on bikes? Seat belt laws? Child seat laws? And how about >those ridiculous laws that one must be clothed in public. I luv to let my skin >breath. I'm into Darwinism. People shouldn't *need* laws to keep them safe. If they're dumb enough to ignore safety practices and/or not use protective equipment,then they're too stupid to live. Of course,I also believe crazy things like people should be responsible for their own actions,and parents should actually raise their kids. Weather on my planet:high 70's with slight breeze and no humidity. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 00:05:21 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28037 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12402 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 04:07:41 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 04:07:41 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA01400; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:01:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:01:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199909130401.AAA01400@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet I agree with the lane-splitting suggestion. I'd have DD'd as soon as I saw the cart starting to come loose. Another suggestion might have been using horn and hand jestures to try to get another vehicle to move and give you an escape route. Of course,the best action would have been to avoid being boxed in in the first place. If I see something like this happening,I start to slow down and try to go around. Big rigs make me nervous. Don't like being that close to huge spinning tires,and I don't like anything I can't see around. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 00:11:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28050 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26047 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f55.hotmail.com [209.185.131.118]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA05114 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90057 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1999 04:11:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990913041124.90056.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.220.24.134 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:11:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.220.24.134] From: "Joe Hacobian" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lets ship them off to the moon... Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:11:23 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Speaking of all those religious nuts, they were unleashed on the unsuspecting native americans, lets gather em all up and ship them off to the moon and all points far away... A possible downside is later finding out they've colonized on a distant planet and now there are religous right wing aliens... Just ignore me ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 05:39:48 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA05340 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18004 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 09:42:22 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 09:42:22 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA22021; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:35:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:35:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199909130935.FAA22021@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Who Dat? Hey all, Saw a yellow and black(blue?) CBR6 pulled over on 495 near Braddock Rd yesterday. Anyone from the list? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 08:41:38 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08786 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA00462 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:41:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37DCEFB9.C1842E7D@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:36:09 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Harleys are so much fun... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have in my possession the brand new H-D accessories book, a wieghty tome full of dazzling color pics and sugary descriptions - but woefully lacking in chick-pics. Oh well. Of course this new book is primarily devoted to the new twin-cam engine. I love the engine add-ons and the little symbols which mean "Not for street use" meaning the EPA/DOT has frowned sternly on aforementiond hop-up do-dads. Now Harley riders, being good citizens and all, would never ever equip thier street machince with a questionable part. Yeah, right. Ooooo, way cool! You can buy entire sets of sheet metal with bitching paint jobs for your H-D! Lemme tell, some of the designs are so butt-ugly I'd have to do a quickee Krylon cover job before you'd catch my skiiny butt riding that bike. But there's an upside - all I need to do is wait for some damn fool to toss a few thou down and get his/her new Flames From the Fires of Hell paint job and then pick up the old sheet metal for a couple bucks to play with. I have 4, or is 5, spray guns in an assortmant of sizes from weenie airbrush to hoser. I could have fun with spare body parts. The pages that interested me were the new *detachable hardware* kits. These gizmos allow one to quickly detach/install a variety of tail end dee-vices, like racks and touring trunks. Lemme see here - docking kit A, B, C, D - what the hell? Each dee-vice has the info, like needs docking kit A & C, and of course a note - certain models may need an additional Screaming Eagle Frazmagigger PN # blahblahblah... Methinks it would take longer to figure out what you needed than it would to install it. Hmmm... I'll stick to bungee cords and cargo nets. I like H-D's Motorclothes catalogue better. That one has chick-pics. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 08:41:34 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08783 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:41:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567EB.0045C4B6 ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:42:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.0045A9F2.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:42:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Screw Hlemets.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ROTFLMAO Got this from another list. Thought it rather amusing. http://www.visi.com/~sullivan/loudpipe.htm Don't kill the messenger. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 08:51:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09021 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28141 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13912 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA04597 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA00098; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:43 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE02312B25@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Collision Avoidance and MORE! Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Now that I finally have a moment to *maybe* positively contribute to the list . . . . (All work and no play makes Johnny a dull, well, you know, and at the moment I'm pretty dull . . .) Whenever I ride, I try to make things interesting to keep my level of alertness up. I attempt to concentrate on the *solution* vs. the problem. Example: Like another lister mentioned, if that box does happen to fall off, where will I go? Instead of concentrating on the box, waiting for it to fall, I look for my escape and increase my following distance or other variable to give me a "solution" to the problem. Another fun one is to see just how paranoid I can be. I assume that left turning weirdo *will* turn left and think of what I will do. It's saved me more than once and I also like to think it will help keep my reflexes younger as I get older. (he he) In spite of all the work I've been doing, I did manage to get away to Cincinnati, Ohio over Labor Day weekend via RT. 50. Definitely still one of my favorite roads. I was surprised to see about 7 cops in Romney, WV attempting to nail evil speeders. I was stuck behind a cement truck so I was "clocked" at 29 in a 55. (He He) John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 09:26:49 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user143.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09486 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EB.004A0807 ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:28:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "John Whiteside" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.004A0781.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:23:15 -0400 Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Now THAT terrifies me. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "John Whiteside" on 09/12/99 03:32:40 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) Much of the radical right has explicitly said that they want the US to be a "Christian nation" with our laws based on their particular brand of Christianity, right down to special privileges for their churches and denying equal treatment under the law to those that violate their church's precepts. This is, in my opinion, an enormous threat. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 09:30:39 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.45]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09642 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA02078 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA13359; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:30:04 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5675@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Vintage Run -- Sunday 9/12/99 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:29:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Jeff with the '84 Venture Royale wrote and told us about the Nostalgia Run in Thurmont, MD. I didn't check my email all weekend :), so I didn't know any dcc-ers were gonna be there, or I would have said hello. I had a great time. I was never on a poker run before, so I just followed along, enjoying the *perfect* weather. I won a motorcycle cover too! In fact, every bike in our gang of four won something (Donna-the-passenger didn't win anything, though). I'm particularly fond of old beemers with sidecars for some reason, and there was a righteous example of just such a beast there. I have this recurring vision of me riding through snow drifts on my way to work. :) The unrestored '59 Velocette and its owner were both very cool too. Loads of Nortons (even a single), a few Triumphs and Beezas (including a Gold Star for sale for $11K), an Indian 4 cylinder, and just a ton of other interesting stuff. If anyone on the list is a member of the Western Maryland Motorcycle Assoc., thanks for a great day! I'll definitely plan to attend next year. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 09:41:15 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09761 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15468 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:40:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990913093713.01493f00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:39:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) In-Reply-To: <852567EB.004A0781.00@172.16.2.37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:23 AM 9/13/99 , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: >Now THAT terrifies me. He did say 'radical right'. Good Republican / Libertarian voters like myself don't necessarily have anything to do with the church. Personally - I am a Godless heathen. Or so they say. > >Much of the > >radical right has explicitly said that they want the US to be a "Christian > >nation" with our laws based on their particular brand of Christianity, right > >down to special privileges for their churches and denying equal treatment > >under the law to those that violate their church's precepts. This is, in my > >opinion, an enormous threat. > > > > > >--- > >John Whiteside > >whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 09:57:16 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net [208.243.113.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10055 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03872 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909131356.JAA03872@prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: unknown X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: inbox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 From: Mark I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:12:24 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10304 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:12:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131012.AA13697536@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Mark CC: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:18:51 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user143.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10391 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:18:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EB.004ED262 ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:20:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Mark cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.004ED0B8.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:15:32 -0400 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline My old roommate was a VA cop and said that in VA it's considered "reckless driving" so I try to use my lane-splitting techniques sparingly in VA ; ) DC seems more lenient but someone I knew was pulled over for it. From what I've seen and experienced, the cops in DC just don't seem to notice too much unless it's female and walking down the street and they're in the mood for harrassment. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Mark on 09/13/99 09:55:49 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:30:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10642 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28738 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18162 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990913143510.29647.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:35:10 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Collision Avoidance and MORE! To: "Carver, John M, BGM" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Carver, John M, BGM" wrote: > Definitely still one of my favorite roads. I was surprised to see > about 7 > cops in Romney, WV attempting to nail evil speeders. I was stuck > behind a > cement truck so I was "clocked" at 29 in a 55. (He He) > > John > 98 VFR > And how did you find that out? === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:31:21 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10652 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id KAA04947; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990913103137.00a47220@132.147.168.1> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:09 -0400 To: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <199909131356.JAA03872@prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed People in cages definitely seem to get pissy here if you filter to the front at red lights... I'm amazed when the guy next to me and his wife start giving me dirty looks and start creeping up at the line (as if they're going to beat me off the start when the light changes!). At 09:55 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Mark wrote: >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red >light) >are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > >I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and >some >lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and >the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular >reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately >the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the >space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car >door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > >----- >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A >bergman@XXXXXX > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > >-- ************************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:35:02 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10670 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23433 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <199909131012.AA13697536@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, > the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more > splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, > without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. So, how does one get started with lane splitting. I'm mostly interested in doing it on the beltway in Montgomery County. I just haven't managed to get up the nerve or whatever to do it yet. The weird thing is that I have no problem breaking other traffic laws (speeding, double yellow passing, etc) and I happily lane split around accidents... Please help me to become more of a scofflaw! :) I guess I'm still not convinced that I'm not driving a car... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:35:54 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10749 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4NGIa09400 (4235); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45d251f9.250e6566@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:14 EDT Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, bergman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 I've found that easing along is the best way as well ... they don't like to be surprised, and while most drivers don't react at all, IF there's a reaction, in my experience as well - it's always negative (blocking the lane by squeezing the car REAL close to the centerline ... as for cops - only once have a I even seen any while lanesplitting....going up Independence Ave (toward Capitol) ... at the top of the hill is a red light....I pop out at the head of traffic waiting for the light - appearing rather suddenly from between the two trucks sitting in front ... to my surprise, there are two Hill cops standing around on the corner (as they often do), one of which started really YELLING at me to "get your ass over here RIGHT NOW", so I had no choice but to RUN the red light :D in order to stop his infernal yelling (they were on the other side) ... went over to them, took off my helmet ("ohmygod it's a girl!" is all over their faces) - they yelled some more about how dangerous splitting lanes is and then let me go... :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:40:18 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user143.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10790 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EB.0050C6CA ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Chris Norloff" cc: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.0050C62C.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:36:55 -0400 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline My theory as to why DC drivers (in general) don't get as upset about lane-splitting is that they are used to it because of the bike couriers. I also have found that while riding in DC cars notice me more...I guess they're used to the bikes (couriers) flying by them at odd times, so they're more prepared for it. I feel safer in DC on my bike than VA...but that's just me! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Chris Norloff" on 09/13/99 10:12:06 AM To: Mark cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. Chris Norloff -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:42:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10882 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131042.AA20316586@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: Drivers like that I find are fairly easy to deal with. I rev the engine a few times as the light's about to change. Then when the light changes, the cager roars into the intersection leaving a nice gap behind him for me to move into. :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Grant Heffernan Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:09 -0400 >People in cages definitely seem to get pissy here if you filter to the front at red lights... I'm amazed when the guy next to me and his wife start giving me dirty looks and start creeping up at the line (as if they're going to beat me off the start when the light changes!). At 09:55 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Mark wrote: >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red >light) >are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > >I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and >some >lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and >the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular >reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately >the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the >space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car >door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > >----- >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A >bergman@XXXXXX > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > >-- ************************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:43:31 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10916 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:43:29 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2GVJa23990 (4235); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:42:52 EDT Subject: attempted theft on Capitol Hill To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX, cb-1@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 some evil scum attempted to steal my bike Friday night. my cable lock has very recently rusted shut so I only had the disk lock on (stupid...). I came outside Sat am to see the bike moved about a foot from it's usual parked position, notice that apparently someone tried to take a hacksaw to the kryptonite lock and in their (thankfully) bungling amateurish attempt, managed to put a large gouge into the disk! So I guess I'll have to squeeze it into my gated, locked back yard from now on (sigh) ... the gate is pretty narrow and it can be somewhat challenging getting the bike in and out ... I just can't figure out why the bike had been moved .... (less than a foot) ... I mean, you can't hardly roll it with a disk lock on, and if they were able to pick it up, why not swipe a pickup and just carry the bike away? Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:45:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11001 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:45:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131045.AA18612736@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX I feel safer in DC on my bike than VA...but that's just me! ; ) ----------------------------- Me, too! I find there's more give-and-take in the city, and not so much testosterone-addled SUV rage. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:47:25 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11037 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA04269; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:47:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Bill Huson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harleys are so much fun... In-Reply-To: <37DCEFB9.C1842E7D@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, I have this on my Dyna and really like it. I can swap my rear seat and backrest for a luggage rack depending on if it's just me or if the Sig other is along... pretty cool. Installation wasn't that horrible either. - Bri On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Bill Huson wrote: > The pages that interested me were the new *detachable hardware* kits. > These gizmos allow one to quickly detach/install a variety of tail end > dee-vices, like racks and touring trunks. Lemme see here - docking > kit A, B, C, D - what the hell? Each dee-vice has the info, like needs > docking kit A & C, and of course a note - certain models may need an > additional Screaming Eagle Frazmagigger PN # blahblahblah... Methinks it > would take longer to figure out what you needed than it would to install > it. Hmmm... I'll stick to bungee cords and cargo nets. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:52:10 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11157 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id kFBVa06614 (4235); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:49:39 EDT Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/13/99 10:40:10 AM, kirk@XXXXXX writes: >I just haven't managed to >get up the nerve or whatever to do it yet. The weird thing is that I have >no problem breaking other traffic laws (speeding, double yellow passing, >etc) and I happily lane split around accidents... Please help me to become >more of a scofflaw! :) I guess I'm still not convinced that I'm not >driving a car... umm.....you are in fact, NOT driving a car!!!! :D as for lane splitting on the freeway .... while it's legal in California and I watched people do it there ALL the time at 60-70-80 mph, I don't frankly see how it's humanly possible to be aware enough to prevent accidents at those speeds ... 4-6 lane freeway - how are you possibly able to keep tabs on where ALL the cars are at all times? what about those lane-shifters that appear out of nowhere doing about 100 mph while changing 3-4 lanes at a time? what about the cars that suddenly "jump" from one lane to the next without signalling or demonstrating their intent to do so in any way? what if you are lane splitting next to them when they do it and they don't see you because you are in their blind spot? it seems like the splitting discussion here is mostly about going through pretty much STOPPED traffic at lights, or very slow-moving traffic..... any freeway lane-splitters wanna tell me how it's done? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:54:53 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11197 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:54:52 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id qYINa03711 (4235); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396c6883.250e69e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:53:28 EDT Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/13/99 10:51:14 AM, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX writes: >My theory as to why DC drivers (in general) don't get as upset about >lane-splitting is that they are used to it because of the bike couriers. I agree with Jeannette 100% .... marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 10:56:05 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11211 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24018 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > it seems like the splitting discussion here is mostly about going through > pretty much STOPPED traffic at lights, or very slow-moving traffic..... That's what the beltway is like in Montgomery county! If traffic were moving I'd have no motivation to lane split (I can get around the cars just fine when they're moving). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:05:54 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11566 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990913151023.10260.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:10:23 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well first you want to make sure your bike has a loud pipe, so they hear you coming. Next you want a super high intensity headlight, as bright as you can get.. either it will make sure you're seen, or have that "dazed deer in the headlight effect" and while they're wondering if you're a cop or the light at the end of the tunnel, or what the hell you are, you'll be passing them before they do anything like lane changes or open their doors. Also Learn to do and hold you're wheelies.. By putting your front wheel up in the air as you go past, you're more likely to be seen. It's eye catching, and if the driver still doesn't see you, maybe there will be some kid passengers who will freak out and make sure the driver knows of you. Also Doing it past a cop is a good idea as well, As when the cop sees you, he'll put on his sirens to help clear the path so you can be safer, so when you hear those sirens, just keep on going, rememeber, he's clearing the way for you. Also try to keep the speed up there, The best way to get through traffic is to dart right through it. That way the pricks out there who believe in blocking won't have time block you off. Also hold your horn, the more noise you can make the better. I suggest upgrading the the absolutely loudest horn you can find. Keeping it on as you drive past is the customary way of saying thank you. Once you've mastered lane splitting, you can try the shoulder lane, and opposite direction shoulder lane for some REALLY clear path driving lanes. The opposite direction shoulder is my favorite, you'll see how accomodating the cars are for you, as they even leave the lane closest to you, slow down or stop. It's wonderful, give it a try. Elvis I used to ride a harley. legal disclaimer: I am dead, I take no responsibilities for anyone who attempts the above. If you kill yourself, we'll do lunch. If you attempt to sue me, I will not be able to appear in court. If you attempt any of the above, Do not wear a helmet, as it's so big it may hit a truck mirror and that could really injure someone walking by on the beltway. Also, please notify the police before you plan to start this technique as they love to register you up for their "siren protection program" when they put the sirens on for you. --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > > In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my > experience, > > the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the > more > > splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through > gaps, > > without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. > > So, how does one get started with lane splitting. I'm mostly > interested in > doing it on the beltway in Montgomery County. I just haven't > managed to > get up the nerve or whatever to do it yet. The weird thing is that > I have > no problem breaking other traffic laws (speeding, double yellow > passing, > etc) and I happily lane split around accidents... Please help me to > become > more of a scofflaw! :) I guess I'm still not convinced that I'm not > driving a car... > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > 1984 Honda XR350 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:18:41 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11917 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:21:09 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28E2@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Kirk Roy'" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:12:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kirk, While I know where you're coming from on this matter, I'd have to say: "NO! Don't do it." After commuting via bike for a lot of years on the Beltway in PG, Montgomery and Fairfax county, not only is it just not done, it's likely to get you killed. The cagers are, at best, oblivious to us. At worst, they'll deliberately try to squash you. Pretty much the only memorable commuting "near misses" I've had have involved cagers changing lanes into me on the Beltway. In some cases, they just didn't see me and in other cases they clearly saw me and ignored me. On the other hand, I highly recommend using ALL lanes of the Beltway - even the short ones that only seem to appear near exits - to help speed things up. ;^) Perry -----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > >On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >> it seems like the splitting discussion here is mostly about going through >> pretty much STOPPED traffic at lights, or very slow-moving traffic..... > >That's what the beltway is like in Montgomery county! If traffic were >moving I'd have no motivation to lane split (I can get around the cars >just fine when they're moving). From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:22:22 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12097 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:22:20 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id LAA0000032198; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:23:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 I'll second (third?) that. Drivers in the city seem to be more aware of what's happening around them, probably because so much more IS happening, with taxis everywhere, cyclists, pedestrians, and so on. I also have noticed that this area has its own special kind of aggression, far different from what I've experienced in Boston or New York. In those places, people cut you off or buzz past you because they want to get where they are going. Here, people will do things just to keep you from getting somewhere -- pull up so you can't change lanes, zoom ahead to pass you then slow down, etc. It's a real mean aggression compared to what I've seen elsewhere. Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > My theory as to why DC drivers (in general) don't get as upset about lane-splitting is that they are used to it because of the bike couriers. I also have found that while riding in DC cars notice me more...I guess they're used to the bikes (couriers) flying by them at odd times, so they're more prepared for it. I feel safer in DC on my bike than VA...but that's just me! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Chris Norloff" on 09/13/99 10:12:06 AM To: Mark cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. Chris Norloff -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:24:10 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12139 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id LAA10316; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990913112512.00a4a290@132.147.168.1> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:26:01 -0400 To: , From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <199909131042.AA20316586@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I suppose that works just as well as opening the throttle, say, half way, and leaving a nice big gap with the cage behind me. Personal preference I guess ;-) At 10:42 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Drivers like that I find are fairly easy to deal with. I rev the engine a >few times as the light's about to change. Then when the light changes, >the cager roars into the intersection leaving a nice gap behind him for me >to move into. > >:-) >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Grant Heffernan >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:09 -0400 > > >People in cages definitely seem to get pissy here if you filter to the >front at red lights... I'm amazed when the guy next to me and his wife >start giving me dirty looks and start creeping up at the line (as if >they're going to beat me off the start when the light changes!). > >At 09:55 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Mark wrote: > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red > >light) > >are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > > >I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and > >some > >lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too > blatant, and > >the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any > particular > >reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately > >the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the > >space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > >door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > > >----- > >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A > >bergman@XXXXXX > > > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > > >-- > > >************************************* >Grant M. Heffernan >Field Systems Engineer >The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. >Reston, VA 20191 >ph: (703) 715-8721 >fax: (703) 715-8750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:31:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12320 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:31:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131131.AA52887974@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: Racing someone across an intersection is a good way to get hit by red-light runners. Sometimes you can confirm the intersection will be clear when your light turns green, but this is more rare in my experience. Another disadvantage of racing across an intersection is arriving at the other side going 40mph or so - if there's parked cars on the sides (typical in DC) then that's pretty fast. Now if you can time getting to the white line when the light turns green, and confirm the intersection is clear, then you can roll on a little and clear traffic easily. Otherwise, I prefer for the car to make all the noise and fury, and possibly gather attention of any police around. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Grant Heffernan Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:26:01 -0400 >I suppose that works just as well as opening the throttle, say, half way, and leaving a nice big gap with the cage behind me. Personal preference I guess ;-) At 10:42 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Drivers like that I find are fairly easy to deal with. I rev the engine a >few times as the light's about to change. Then when the light changes, >the cager roars into the intersection leaving a nice gap behind him for me >to move into. > >:-) >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Grant Heffernan >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:09 -0400 > > >People in cages definitely seem to get pissy here if you filter to the >front at red lights... I'm amazed when the guy next to me and his wife >start giving me dirty looks and start creeping up at the line (as if >they're going to beat me off the start when the light changes!). > >At 09:55 AM 9/13/99 -0400, Mark wrote: > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red > >light) > >are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > > >I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and > >some > >lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too > blatant, and > >the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any > particular > >reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately > >the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the > >space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > >door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > > >----- > >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A > >bergman@XXXXXX > > > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > > >-- > > >************************************* >Grant M. Heffernan >Field Systems Engineer >The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. >Reston, VA 20191 >ph: (703) 715-8721 >fax: (703) 715-8750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:39:14 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12499 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from treefrog (treefrog.kw.verio.net [129.250.30.36]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with SMTP id LAA28509; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03a301befdfd$e1f2ede0$241efa81@kw.verio.net> From: "Ken Woods" To: , "Mark" Cc: References: <199909131012.AA13697536@piglet.toward.com> Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:37:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. $70 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: Mark Cc: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:12 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom > There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. > > The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. > > Chris Norloff > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Mark > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 > > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) > are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some > lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and > the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular > reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately > the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the > space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > -- > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:40:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12512 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29235 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20763 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:42 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, zx@XXXXXX Subject: chain&safety wire? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Came back from a ride the other day, put the bike up on the c-stand to lube the chain. To my horror, the clip that holds the side plate on the master link was gone (yes, the closed end was facing the right direction). This has never happened in the 13 years I've owned the bike. Installed the clip from my spare link, threw a loop of safety wire through the link, twisted it up tight, trimmed the ends. So the clip is now wired to the outer side plate. I checked to make sure the wire wasn't hitting the rear sprocket as it goes around. Did a 200-mi ride yesterday, and everything's still there. Is this the proper way to safety-wire a master link and if not, what is? And yes, I'll be investing in a link riveter very soon. TIA for any help. Joe '85 Ninja 900 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:46:44 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12674 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from treefrog (treefrog.kw.verio.net [129.250.30.36]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with SMTP id LAA28697; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03de01befdfe$e0220900$241efa81@kw.verio.net> From: "Ken Woods" To: "Gil Nissley" , References: <199909130935.FAA22021@web2.chek.com> Subject: Re: Who Dat? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:44:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 It was probably me, but I was stopped just north of the toll road between 3:30 - 4:30ish(??) (it's a real bitch when bolts rattle loose. anybody want to help me safety wire the bike??) -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX CBRF4X ----- Original Message ----- From: Gil Nissley To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 05:35 Subject: Who Dat? > Saw a yellow and black(blue?) CBR6 pulled over on 495 > near Braddock Rd yesterday. Anyone from the list? From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12675 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:02:10 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:00:03 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , Mark Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:00:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Just a side note - I got yelled at by a DC cop last week for lane splitting on my bicycle! Sometimes when the weather is nice I ride to work. I was heading west on Independance Ave down by the monuments approaching an intersections where the traffic is controlled by a DC cop. So when the traffic stopped and a bus blocked my way between the right lane and the curb, I swung over to the gap between the first and second lane of cars and rode there for 300 or 400 yards. Then as I got 2 or 3 cars from the front of the line, the cop let traffic go, a gap opened up between cars and I swung over to the right side of the road. As I rode past the cop he yelled: "If you're going to ride in the street, you need to follows the laws or I'll give you a ticket!!!". I just laughed and continued on my way. Don B. - > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:12 AM > To: Mark > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom > > There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small > number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). > Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland > it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and > "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I > find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or > appearing to race, works well. > > The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He > moved over to block me but was easily avoided. > > Chris Norloff > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Mark > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 > > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red > light) > are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and > some > lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, > and > the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any > particular > reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but > unfortunately > the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make > the > space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > > door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > -- > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:46:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12686 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29287 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21013 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FI0006GX94PI6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:49:34 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: Redskins loose...my fault! To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <00a801befdff$9367e520$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Okay, so I'm watching the game, but it's soooo nice out. 4th quarter, ahead by 21 points. I take off for a quick 135 mile jaunt from Winchester, through Sperryville, up 340, and back to Winchester. I'm now feeling invigorated. Lot's of twisties under my belt, no mishaps, and the good old Redskins beat Dallas NOT!!!! My fault, I shouldn't have left. I apologize! (I'm sticking to riding, gonna stay away from the tube from now on). P.S. Passed quite a few riders yesterday on 211 around 4:30 or so. Anyone from the list out that way? I was on my Blue/White TLR Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web 1: http://www.fj1100.com Web 2: http://www.tl1000.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 11:55:53 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12823 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990913160023.18209.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.115] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:00:23 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: Ken Woods , cnorloff@XXXXXX, Mark Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder if that cop is reading this thread? Did you just recently start doing it, or did the discussion bring it about? Also, more importantly, what was the "official offence" listed as? I usually try not to lane split.. I don't get much out of it considering the risk / reward. That sucks though, about the ticket.. Life costs.. atleast it's a $70 ticket and not some idiot openening his car door doing $70 worth of damage to your bike... you can just mail a check in and it's over. oh btw where were you when you got the ticket and by what agency? Daniel --- Ken Woods wrote: > > I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. > $70 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Norloff > To: Mark > Cc: > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:12 > Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom > > > > There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively > small > number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, > etc.). > Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and > Maryland > it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested > and > "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is > tolerated. I > find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling > anyone or > appearing to race, works well. > > > > The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in > Virginia. He > moved over to block me but was easily avoided. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Mark > > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 > > > > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front > at a red > light) > > are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > > > I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the > cops, and > some > > lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too > blatant, > and > > the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have > any > particular > > reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but > unfortunately > > the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over > to make > the > > space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to > open the car > > door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > > > ----- > > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 > Stagehand > > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > > bergman@XXXXXX > > > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > > > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 12:01:42 1999 Return-Path: GennaM@XXXXXX Received: from ctelnt.ctel.com ([38.149.180.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13030 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ectel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:58:55 -0400 Message-ID: <084430AB93A2D211AA1500A0C9E9537625818A@ectel.com> From: Genna Melamed To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: RE: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:58:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't do it if cars are moving. There are many lane changes that go on when cars are moving slowly and it most cases they don't look all that much for other traffic. They see a small gap (that might have been created by you) and go for it. I usually split when traffic is dead stopped. As soon as it starts to move a little, I choose lane next to me. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:50 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, > the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more > splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, > without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. So, how does one get started with lane splitting. I'm mostly interested in doing it on the beltway in Montgomery County. I just haven't managed to get up the nerve or whatever to do it yet. The weird thing is that I have no problem breaking other traffic laws (speeding, double yellow passing, etc) and I happily lane split around accidents... Please help me to become more of a scofflaw! :) I guess I'm still not convinced that I'm not driving a car... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 12:09:48 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13140 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567EB.0058D515 ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:10:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EB.005805B4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:10:12 -0400 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline If you really want to get on those guys good side, refer to them as security guards rather than police officers. That kind of disrespect makes the veins pop out on their head. You can practically see the steam escaping from their collar. Talk about an inferiority complex. Sheesh! Steve >>I pop out at the head of traffic waiting for the light - appearing rather suddenly from between the two trucks sitting in front ... to my surprise, there are two Hill cops standing around on the corner (as they often do), one of which started really YELLING at me to "get your ass over here RIGHT NOW"<< From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 12:14:59 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13275 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10337; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: Ken Woods cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <03a301befdfd$e1f2ede0$241efa81@kw.verio.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Ken Woods wrote: > > I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. > $70 What was the violation cited? I understand there is no specific lane-splitting law, but that they have to conjure up various other laws about passing too often within a given distance or something. What does your ticket say? Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 12:25:33 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from pom.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@XXXXXX [129.22.8.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13480 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-134-134.s388.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.134.134]) by pom.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id MAA26353; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:25:22 -0400 (EDT) (from ges6@XXXXXX for ) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 99 12:22:24 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: buh-bye To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Not to distract from the other threads we've got, but I just took a position in Cleveland, and will be moving there this week, so it looks like it is time for me to say good bye. Nice riding with ya'll and meeting people, and keep it safe. Looks like I'll be working on either a streetable rs250 or a monster dark in the next year, along with suspension work on the VFR. We shall see. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 9/13/99 HSTA/AMA 12:22:24 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 13:08:45 1999 Return-Path: shabbir@XXXXXX Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14302 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE5318C0B for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [209.219.73.39] (s39.mindshare.net [209.219.73.39]) by panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5872CB04 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: shabbir@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:21 -0400 To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" From: "Shabbir J. Safdar" Subject: And hello.....Re: buh-bye Hi, I just joined the list. I moved to DC almost 2 years ago, and have been riding for a few months. I ride a silver '75 bmw r60/6 that I bought from Bob's. I am the second owner. You may see it parked around Adams Morgan (18th and Columbia) or in the god-given cycle parking lot in front of the Asylum bar. Nice to meet you all, and I hope to see more of you. -Shabbir From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 14:23:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15678 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00400 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28015 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131423.AA6750596@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: chain&safety wire? X-Mailer: Personally, I just put a smear of silicone sealant on the clip (after cleaning with alcohol). I've lost master link clips before, but not one with the sealant on it. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JOE NAGY Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:35 -0400 >Came back from a ride the other day, put the bike up on the c-stand to lube the chain. To my horror, the clip that holds the side plate on the master link was gone (yes, the closed end was facing the right direction). This has never happened in the 13 years I've owned the bike. Installed the clip from my spare link, threw a loop of safety wire through the link, twisted it up tight, trimmed the ends. So the clip is now wired to the outer side plate. I checked to make sure the wire wasn't hitting the rear sprocket as it goes around. Did a 200-mi ride yesterday, and everything's still there. Is this the proper way to safety-wire a master link and if not, what is? And yes, I'll be investing in a link riveter very soon. TIA for any help. Joe '85 Ninja 900 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 14:25:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15721 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:25:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199909131425.AA31654332@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: CC: Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom X-Mailer: What were the specific circumstances? thanks, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ken Woods" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:37:26 -0400 > I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. $70 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: Mark Cc: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:12 Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom > There's not much of a custom here, I think, due to the relatively small number of bikes. In DC, lane-splitting is ignored (if done slowly, etc.). Car drivers have ignored me when I split in DC. In Virginia and Maryland it's not tolerated as well -- in my experience, the more congested and "city-like" (like parts of Arlington), the more splitting is tolerated. I find that just moseying along through gaps, without startling anyone or appearing to race, works well. > > The only trouble I ever had was a DC-tagged car on I-66 in Virginia. He moved over to block me but was easily avoided. > > Chris Norloff > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Mark > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 > > >I expect that lane splitting and filtering (moving to the front at a red light) > are technically illegal, but what's the custom here? > > I know that in NYC, filtering was almost totally ignored by the cops, and some > lane splitting was tolerated (as long as it wasn't too fast, too blatant, and > the particular cop didn't mind). Most cage drivers didn't have any particular > reaction, very few would move over and give you more room, but unfortunately > the most frequent reaction was hostile: drivers would move over to make the > space between lanes narrower, motion as if they were going to open the car > door, honk, flash their lights, etc., etc. > > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > -- > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 15:44:56 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17221 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:44:05 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:29:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:42:45 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-1@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. If you go for the latter, make it a pump: "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 16:11:06 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17638 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA22396 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:00 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:00 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:10:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >If you go for the latter, make it a pump: >"May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" Clark Brothers in Warrenton, VA has an excellent selection of used pieces - prices are good, and if you select a well-worn shotgun, the noise generated by working the action can be impressive - a universal language if ever there was one. :-) If you're into music and recording, working the action in front of a live microphone (with the volume turned up) should give every petty thief in a three-block range a heart attack. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 16:43:22 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18195 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27782; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37DD609B.D1812ED4@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:37:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom References: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > as for lane splitting on the freeway .... while it's legal in California and > I watched people do it there ALL the time at 60-70-80 mph, I don't frankly > see how it's humanly possible to be aware enough to prevent accidents at > those speeds ... 4-6 lane freeway - how are you possibly able to keep tabs on > where ALL the cars are at all times? what about those lane-shifters that > appear out of nowhere doing about 100 mph while changing 3-4 lanes at a time? > what about the cars that suddenly "jump" from one lane to the next without > signalling or demonstrating their intent to do so in any way? what if you are > lane splitting next to them when they do it and they don't see you because > you are in their blind spot? Methinks California lane splitting is restricted to creeping/stopped traffic and the lane splitter cannot exceed 15 MPH. Cages who open doors or try some other distardly trick are slam dunked by the law. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 16:53:17 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18393 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29097; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:53:09 -0400 Message-ID: <37DD62F1.2B532E82@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:47:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-1@XXXXXX, cb1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. > > If you go for the latter, make it a pump: > > "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" > > Joe THAT should work. According to my law enforcement pals who have the opportunity (/) to work raids, the clack-clack of a Mossburg 12 gauge being racked is so universally feared that it makes the bad guys freeze solid and sometimes soil thier undies. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:08:22 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18640 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17888 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:07:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990913170505.013f0d50@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:07:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <37DD609B.D1812ED4@patriot.net> References: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:37 PM 9/13/99 , Bill Huson wrote: >Methinks California lane splitting is restricted to creeping/stopped >traffic and >the lane splitter cannot exceed 15 MPH. Cages who open doors or try some other >distardly trick are slam dunked by the law. Something tells me that isn't true. I think they have to be within 10-15 MPH of traffic speed, but it can be moving. Don't quote me on that though - I get my info from usenet. Why would a cager open his door or stick his arm out? He is going to screw up his car, and likely lose an arm....I know this is a fear of lane splitters, but has it ever happened? I do believe a cager would squeeze in so there is no room to pass...that makes more sense....(well, relative sense). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:15:40 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18805 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990913211703.3588.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:17:03 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:17:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marcy, I think it's a good idea to put the CB-1 in the back yard and secure it with a cable. In my experience, a cable and disc lock hardly slow down professional thieves. Glad they didn't get away with your bike! Sean --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a > shotgun. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:21:44 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18886 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:21:42 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id RAA0000019226; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 I'm still trying to figure out how owning a shotgun would help when someone messes with your bike while you're asleep. Bill Huson wrote: > JOE NAGY wrote: > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. > > If you go for the latter, make it a pump: > > "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" > > Joe THAT should work. According to my law enforcement pals who have the opportunity (/) to work raids, the clack-clack of a Mossburg 12 gauge being racked is so universally feared that it makes the bad guys freeze solid and sometimes soil thier undies. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:23:05 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18896 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:23:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2OHJa09400 (4402) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <84058132.250ec513@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:27 EDT Subject: NON-MOTO/website building To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 sorry - I lost the email from whoever (Chris N????) said they might be interested in working with me to build a website for one of my clients ... email me again please!!! (you should know how to build databases....at least know more than me!) :D thanks. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 17:27:48 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18982 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:27:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rEJa005147 (4402); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:26:17 EDT Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: redsullivan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/13/99 5:20:31 PM, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: > Marcy, I think it's a good idea to put the CB-1 in >the back yard and secure it with a cable. In my >experience, a cable and disc lock hardly slow down >professional thieves. Glad they didn't get away with >your bike! > Sean I know I think you're right! I'll have to see if I can widen the gate entrance somehow or something... M. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 18:38:12 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20252 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09554; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37DD7B8C.3A618E7B@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:32:44 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could shoot the big mean dog for sleeping on watch :-) johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out how owning a shotgun would help when someone messes with your bike while you're asleep. > > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > JOE NAGY wrote: > > > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. > > > > If you go for the latter, make it a pump: > > > > "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" > > > > Joe > > THAT should work. According to my law enforcement pals who have the > opportunity (/) to work raids, the clack-clack of a Mossburg 12 gauge > being racked is so universally feared that it makes the bad guys freeze > solid and sometimes soil thier undies. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 19:02:41 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20756 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2PWAa22963 (4311) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7234416b.250edc65@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:01:57 EDT Subject: Another who dat? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Went to my sisters in Manassas Saturday and saw a green/white Kawa? pulled over by a cop. The rider was wearing a green/blue/white jacket and pacing as the cop was writing the ticket. Anyone on the list? Also, upon arriving in Manassas, was detoured around an accident at the stoplight right before the Suzuki car dealer. Looked like it involved a car and a bike and the bike lost. All I saw was what was left of the front of the bike and a black helmet lying on the road. I hope it wasn't anyone on the list and, if it was, I hope they weren't seriously hurt. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 19:18:18 1999 Return-Path: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21031 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:18:17 -0400 (EDT) From: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from rcover (adsl-151-200-23-94.bellatlantic.net [151.200.23.94]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA22794 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990913191424.007d13a0@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: rcover@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:14:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom In-Reply-To: <37DD609B.D1812ED4@patriot.net> References: <9112a7b1.250e6903@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:37 PM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote: >Methinks California lane splitting is restricted to creeping/stopped traffic and >the lane splitter cannot exceed 15 MPH. Cages who open doors or try some other >distardly trick are slam dunked by the law. > >Bill I lived in California for a little over a year ('94-'95). This is how it was explained to me by other riders (so this would still be an unofficial version). Lane sharing could be done in stopped or slow-moving traffic. The rider takes full responsibility for any accident occuring due to their lane sharing. i.e. if your mirror were to scratch a cage, it was your fault. Urban legend has it that a cyclist was lane sharing and a cage driver, supposedly upset about this, threw his car door open right in front of the rider. Apparently he was able to get witnesses to say this guy had no reason to open his door other than to hit the motorcycle and the cager was charged and had to pay all costs. I was never able to find anyone who could confirm this story, but most people had heard about it. If you like this legend, I have another California legend about a State Congressman who wanted to pass a law to put seatbelts on motorcycles. Rick Cover From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 21:25:27 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.yahoomail.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23261 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914012740.9032.rocketmail@web303.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:27:40 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: FW: FS: misc riding gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: motorle@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From another list I'm on...haven't read the digest yet, so if this is double post..sorry :) Figured there were enough women on the list to appreciate this since I hear it's very hard to find gear that fits properly... Collin Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:53:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing To: MIG Cc: Race@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Small Cycle Accessories Message-ID: <19990913185326.7697.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Last week, a lady pulled up to my garage with a sad story about her ZX6 being stolen. As she is not interested in another bike, she has some accessories leftover. They are all size small(except one helmet), and all in excellent condition. The items and prices are: Cordura "Canyon" All-Weather jacket with armor, Purple/Black - $200 Kevlor Gloves with knuckle splints, Black - $35 Arai Helmet, White - $100 Shoei Rage, Green/White/Yellow, XSmall - $100 Please email me direct if you are interested. Thanks, === Steve Clark(WERA Nv #220) '99 Suz SV 650 SV Mods: http://members.xoom.com/TightSqueeze/SVMods.htm Sponsor: http://www.FastLaneCycles.com __________________________________________________ === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 22:04:14 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23913 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914020421.24260.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:04:21 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Redskins lose...my fault! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They lost the game with a 21 point lead in the fourth quarter?!?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I needed a laugh like that... I've never been much of a football fan, but seriously, it takes talent to give up that many points that quickly... to DALLAS even?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA 211 was a much better choice! you should have been out there all day though instead!! Collin (Watch for me on TV at Michigan home games ;-) we got cheap season tickets!! lol) === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 22:26:25 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24261 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-200.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.200]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA28185; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:26:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00bd01befe58$5465fde0$c8a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: , "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: To H... on a handcart. Please, not yet Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:24:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >After getting used to lane-splitting in DC, I now see more escape routes on the road than I used to. Would splitting to move ahead, on the side opposite the hand truck, have been a possible escape route for you? All kinds of tactics got churned, various lansplittings included. Aggressive moves ahead and to the left were ruled out -- there was a huge truck on that side (and the other). When I'm on the slabs-- consideration of sudden moves is strongly damped, *particularly* when large trucks are around. Have seen too many reports of trucks avoiding squirrly vehicles and causing havoc. When I'm among trucks, I play truck. Not that a quick move might not be best in some situation, but it's a weighty decision. However, had I Hyabusa power, I might have strongly considered splitting to the left and getting out of there before that truck regarded me as a hazard. As it was, at 70 I realized it would take me a bit of time to do that, even downshifting, and that would have brought me closer to the front truck with its loose, unpredictable load and made me a recognized threat to the left truck. So I opted for slowing as best as possible and hoping to swing in behind left or right traffic as quickly as I could. Of course, as it unfolded that was not needed. Another post mentioned just staying away from trucks. Amen. I was uncomfortable from the start, trying to get out of this fix I happened to get caught in. Next time with more dispatch. > >Glad you're hear to tell us about it, Thanks. Metoo. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Need vertical takeoff capability Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 22:39:28 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24488 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-196.patriot.net [209.249.180.196]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA00647; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37DDB405.2C9656A5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:33:41 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harleys are so much fun... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, but you have a Dyna! Removing the old rack on a bagger is a major pain in the butt. Might be a good dead-o-winter project. Bill Brian Roach wrote: > Actually, I have this on my Dyna and really like it. I can swap my rear > seat and backrest for a luggage rack depending on if it's just me or if > the Sig other is along... pretty cool. Installation wasn't that horrible > either. > > - Bri > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Bill Huson wrote: > > > The pages that interested me were the new *detachable hardware* kits. > > These gizmos allow one to quickly detach/install a variety of tail end > > dee-vices, like racks and touring trunks. Lemme see here - docking > > kit A, B, C, D - what the hell? Each dee-vice has the info, like needs > > docking kit A & C, and of course a note - certain models may need an > > additional Screaming Eagle Frazmagigger PN # blahblahblah... Methinks it > > would take longer to figure out what you needed than it would to install > > it. Hmmm... I'll stick to bungee cords and cargo nets. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 13 23:08:26 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24976 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ewiley (209-122-212-40.s548.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.212.40]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09112 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990913231222.009b0c80@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:12:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, so now I am OFFICIALLY a poser! I bought my 1999 Aprilia RS50 from Coleman this sat. and it is beautiful! As you can imagine, it doen't go very fast (my ex500 feels like a big muscle car.. fast and impossible to turn) I'm still breaking it in (145mi on the odo and counting). The seating position is fairly severe, but not tortoure (took it to work today.. about 30mi one way to McLean not too sore). The best part is when i'm stopped at a light, and I get stares from people trying to figure out what i'm riding (it's as big/long as my ex, but sounds like a chainsaw). I haven't gotten gas mileage figures yet (bastards at coleman gave me something like .5 gal of gas, and told me it was "full" (it has a 3.5gal tank)) but i'm assuming that it'll be up in the high 70's or 80mpg :) It's definitely the most sporty/poser/beautiful 50cc in the world, and it's insured as a scooter. I think it's a pretty good trade-off to only have a max speed of 55mph (till the 70cc is bought..). Now, i need to find some 35mph twisty backroads..... --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 00:03:50 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25969 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from treefrog (treefrog.kw.verio.net [129.250.30.36]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with SMTP id AAA15021 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <073701befe65$e680b820$241efa81@kw.verio.net> From: "Ken Woods" To: References: <19990913160023.18209.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:02:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 From: Daniel aka ITM wrote: > Did you just recently start doing it, or did the discussion bring it > about? Been doing it in this spot since.....eh....forever? 95 and 495, on the North side. > Also, more importantly, what was the "official offence" listed as? "Improper lane change", and "driving off road to pass vechicle" issued by a Maryland State officer. > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > I got a ticket in MD for lane splitting this morning. > > $70 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 00:37:23 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27058 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4503 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 04:40:04 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 04:40:04 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA01166; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:37:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:37:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199909140337.XAA01166@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Who Dat? On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:44:33 -0400 Ken Woods wrote: >It was probably me, but I was stopped just north of the toll road between Sorry,should have said,"pulled over by a cop". The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 00:41:10 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27101 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6283 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 04:43:51 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 04:43:51 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA01375; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:40:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:40:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199909140340.XAA01375@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: God Bless the U.S. (was RE: Motorcycle Insurance Rates) On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:39:33 -0400 Troutman wrote: >Good Republican / Libertarian voters like myself don't necessarily have >anything to do with the church. Personally - I am a Godless heathen. Or >so they say. Might I suggest the new movie,'Stigmata'? Actually,wait for it on HBO. No nudity and the 'scary' scenes are ruined by techno music. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 07:02:12 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA04568 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:02:10 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id HAA17214; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:00:16 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017011; Tue, 14 Sep 99 07:00:04 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI10008FQPFEK@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.003C4CF0 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:58:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:58:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Redskins lose...my fault! To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.003C4DB1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yes, I'll be watching with particular interest when Purdue kicks the sh*t out of them later in the season. :-) --chris Go Boilers! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Collin T. Fagan" Date: 09/14/99 02:04:21 AM GMT Subject: Re: Redskins lose...my fault! --snip-- Collin (Watch for me on TV at Michigan home games ;-) we got cheap season tickets!! lol) === Collin T. Fagan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 07:30:57 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.103]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05002 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA117184 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:24 -0400 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.04) with SMTP id HAA28272 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:53 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EC.003F3BBB ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:40 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EC.003F39C2.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:30:37 -0400 Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline JOE NAGY wrote: > Maybe it's time for me to get a big mean dog :D or a shotgun. > > If you go for the latter, make it a pump: > > "May I--CLACK-CLACK-- help you?" > > Joe I thought guns were illegal in D.C. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 07:59:26 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05884 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02609; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:06:23 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8833@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Karl Mueller'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:06:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What's an Aprilia? Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 08:21:48 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06648 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-70-25.s25.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.70.25]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21704 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:21:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01befeab$b4322340$7a2daccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <852567EC.003F39C2.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Not shotguns. I was told by a DC cops when the apartment building where I was living was being stalked. 'Get a permit and get a shotgun' were his words. Not very confidence inspiring. Now living in the 'burbs... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (63K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ knapik@XXXXXX said: I thought guns were illegal in D.C. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 08:27:00 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06692 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA01963 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:26:55 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:10:03 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFE88.8C3D7D80.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:10:02 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very cool if you have Shockwave loaded: http://www.nettuno.it/fiera/powerhouse/flaszone/ing/frame.htm Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"?" -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:06 AM To: 'Karl Mueller'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) What's an Aprilia? Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 09:07:17 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07453 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:07:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 9PCOa22755 (4204); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:06:09 EDT Subject: Re: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) To: mjay@XXXXXX, k_d_mueller@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 9/14/99 8:06:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mjay@XXXXXX writes: << What's an Aprilia? >> An Aprilia is a small mountain goat found in the sub Alpine area of the Piemonte Region of northwestern Italy. It is extremely quick and is said to be viscious if provoked. Actually Aprilia is the largest non-Japanese motorcycle manufacturer in the world. It is a regular winner of the 125cc and 250cc GP class and currently the 250cc Champion. They now build a 1000cc Twin (to compete with Ducati commercially and in WSB) as well as the 125cc and 250cc 2-stroke road bikes which are very popular in Europe. They compete in 500cc GP with a twin which appears to be the quickest of the twins in that class, but twins don't appear to be able to keep up with the V-4s. They also build scooters in great numbers. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 09:15:17 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07601 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:15:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Aprillia... yummy.. :) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:13:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) D'OH!!! you're missing out on big time droolage if you don't know! And that RS50 is BIG TIME droolage.. you can EASILY put a 125 engine in there.. in which case, it'll do over 100mph.. :) Might be a strech for a 250 engine.. but I'm sure you could mix and match enough parts to get it on the road as a 250, while registered as a moped/scooter.. :) (Collin and I talked about it at the NY motorcycle show). Sorry.. don't remember their web page URL.. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > What's an Aprilia? > > Mike > 82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 09:35:33 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07914 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id kUWKa22963 (4326); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:33:33 EDT Subject: stupid safety ideas To: rcover@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/13/99 7:24:11 PM, rcover@XXXXXX writes: >about a State Congressman who wanted to pass a law to put >seatbelts on motorcycles. a recent passenger of mine suggested boot clamps, much like the quick-release locks used in downhill skiing to attach your foot to the ski - yet theoretically if you fall, they unclamp and let you fly... LOL Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 09:37:12 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07917 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id sCMVa03711 (4326); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:35:38 EDT Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/14/99 7:36:41 AM, knapik@XXXXXX writes: >I thought guns were illegal in D.C. me too but then I was reminded of the "right to bear arms" so what's the deal? anybody know? oh and um.....ahem....motorcycle protection ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:07:43 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08491 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:07:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EC.004DD27D ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:10:01 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "LindaT" cc: "DC-CYCLES" Message-ID: <852567EC.004DD07B.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:04:16 -0400 Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, I think handguns are illegal and that's it. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "LindaT" on 09/14/99 08:21:42 AM To: "DC-CYCLES" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Not shotguns. I was told by a DC cops when the apartment building where I was living was being stalked. 'Get a permit and get a shotgun' were his words. Not very confidence inspiring. Now living in the 'burbs... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (63K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:13:35 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08588 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:11:48 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:09:29 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: How about a gun thread was RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:09:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don B. > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:36 AM > To: knapik@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply > > > In a message dated 9/14/99 7:36:41 AM, knapik@XXXXXX writes: > > >I thought guns were illegal in D.C. > > me too but then I was reminded of the "right to bear arms" > so what's the deal? anybody know? > oh and um.....ahem....motorcycle protection ;D > marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:29:33 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08862 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22998 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914102723.01488c40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:47:38 1999 Return-Path: free@XXXXXX Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09229 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (free@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA21308 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:26:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: How about a gun thread Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And I think that all people who want to ban my right (yes, right, not privlage) to own any gun should be shot. Would you like a blindfold? Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don B. > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:36 AM > To: knapik@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply > > > In a message dated 9/14/99 7:36:41 AM, knapik@XXXXXX writes: > > >I thought guns were illegal in D.C. > > me too but then I was reminded of the "right to bear arms" > so what's the deal? anybody know? > oh and um.....ahem....motorcycle protection ;D > marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:50:26 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09328 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:50:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199909141050.AA3801410@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread X-Mailer: How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0400 >At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:54:22 1999 Return-Path: Todd.Rist@XXXXXX Received: from alcsnmx1.nextel.com (unknown-20-226-197.nextel.com [167.20.197.226] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09338 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlntgw01.nextel.com (atlntgw01 [168.73.94.142]) by alcsnmx1.nextel.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00642 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ATLNTGW01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:52:46 -0400 Message-ID: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E012B7D1F@nhqntex01.nextel.com> From: "Rist, Todd" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:52:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did not know you could use wd-40 on bike chains? Thank You, Todd Rist (703) 433-8604 NHQ (703) 928-3564 PTN -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 10:54:59 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09350 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23128; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:54:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914105348.0149a940@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:54:26 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread Cc: In-Reply-To: <199909141050.AA3801410@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:50 AM 9/14/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle >valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. We covered that one last year, and determined that straight stemmers are the wusses. Long live right angle stems! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:01:11 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com ([192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09562 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:01:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567EC.00527B24 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:00:54 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: cnorloff@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EC.0052223B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:00:50 -0400 Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. Straight valve stems are way too intolerant of stems with an alternative life style, and should be shot in DC with an illegal hand gun. ;-) Steve From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:06:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09734 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07507 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23298 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FI200H241XBFU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:09:03 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19990914102723.01488c40@mail.wheatintl.com> To: Troutman Cc: Dc-Cycles Message-id: <001c01befec3$14915820$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) WD-40 is not much of a lubricant. It's main reason for being is "Water Displacement" and they perfected the formula on the 40th try (WD-40, what a catchy name). For this it is great, but it does not have the viscosity to stay on something moving as fast as your chain. It's excellent for cleaning, and even better for removing tar and gum! But as a chain lube I would stay away from it. I prefer something like PJ, but not the O-Ring stuff (even though I have an O-Ring chain). The O-Ring stuff seems to be a little too gummy. My steps are Clean it, Oil it, Wipe it as dry as possible, ride it, repeat! This is of course just my .02 cents. Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web 1: http://www.fj1100.com Web 2: http://www.tl1000.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 > > Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want > to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I > started using WD-40 only. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:06:59 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09745 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Tue Sep 14 08:07:44 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:06:20 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28E3@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: How about a valve-stem thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:59:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris, How about we give a special dispensation to those with right-angle valve stems on shaft driven bikes? After all, they can't wheelie or counter-steer... Perry -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Troutman Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0400 >At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:07:20 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09754 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23186; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914110615.01498840@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:37 -0400 To: "Rist, Todd" From: Troutman Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E012B7D1F@nhqntex01.nextel. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:52 AM 9/14/99 , Rist, Todd wrote: >I did not know you could use wd-40 on bike chains? Please tell me this is a troll. Please. Please. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:10:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09807 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07544 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23468 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23194; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:09:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914110703.0149b020@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:09:45 -0400 To: Gary Foreman From: Troutman Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Cc: Dc-Cycles In-Reply-To: <001c01befec3$14915820$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19990914102723.01488c40@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:09 AM 9/14/99 , Gary Foreman wrote: >WD-40 is not much of a lubricant. It's main reason for being is "Water >Displacement" and they perfected the formula on the 40th try (WD-40, what a >catchy name). > > For this it is great, but it does not have the viscosity to stay on >something moving as fast as your chain. It's excellent for cleaning, and >even better for removing tar and gum! But as a chain lube I would stay away >from it. I prefer something like PJ, but not the O-Ring stuff (even though >I have an O-Ring chain). The O-Ring stuff seems to be a little too gummy. >My steps are Clean it, Oil it, Wipe it as dry as possible, ride it, repeat! I was kidding about starting this thread, but here we go. The chain manufacturers recommend WD-40 as the primary lubricant. Spray it, allow it to set, then repeat every 400 miles. Much cleaner than chain wax gunk buildup. Many use WD-40 only. I spray chain wax every 3-4 lubes just to be safe. And the WD-40 does not harm the rings. A good alternative is 90 weight gear oil - as recommended by Honda....or just about anything according to the VFR list (including Lemon pledge). MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:26:45 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10093 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:26:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:26:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) gotta join in! whee.. here we go... > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > And the WD-40 does not harm the rings. > Nope, just the propelant they use to get the WD-40 to spary out of the can.... go buy a normal squeeze bottle and everything's peachy.. :) Brian McCoy (that info Also provided by the VFR list) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 11:46:39 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10556 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA15928; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:46:22 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001913; Tue, 14 Sep 99 11:31:51 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI200FIR38280@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.00550F55 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:29:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:28:38 -0400 Subject: Re: How about a gun thread To: Joe Schmoe Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.00550AE5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Joe Schmoe Date: 09/14/99 02:26:19 PM GMT Subject: How about a gun thread And I think that all people who want to ban my right (yes, right, not privlage) to own any gun should be shot. Would you like a blindfold? Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don B. > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:36 AM > To: knapik@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply > > > In a message dated 9/14/99 7:36:41 AM, knapik@XXXXXX writes: > > >I thought guns were illegal in D.C. > > me too but then I was reminded of the "right to bear arms" > so what's the deal? anybody know? > oh and um.....ahem....motorcycle protection ;D > marcy ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:09:51 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10976 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05166 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:16:47 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8834@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: danger danger (non-moto) (was RE: How about a gun thread) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:16:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain DANGER DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON SENSORS INDICATE IMPENDING LIST MELTDOWN Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:15:44 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11159 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914162052.982.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.181] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:20:52 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Saftey wire chain RE: How about a WD-40 thread To: "Rist, Todd" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Rist, Todd" wrote: > I did not know you could use wd-40 on bike chains? > Yep. My MOM says so. MOM = cutsie term of the MSF course for Motorycle Owners Manual. Okay aside from that, someone tell me how to saftey wire a chain, as that's what I'd like to do.. I'd like to have a little extra confidence my chain won't jam my backwheel. And is that how most chains come off, a failed master link? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:18:38 1999 Return-Path: free@XXXXXX Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11180 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (free@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA14114; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a gun thread In-Reply-To: <852567EC.00550AE5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The same place you learned to use strong arguments of proven fact to debate a point.. er, wait.. you're just nit-picking, I'm sorry.. Hope I'm not talking over your head, though I suspect I am. On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:30:03 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11380 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914163428.23058.rocketmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:34:28 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Karl's bike is cool. I rode it on Purcell Rd, (posted 40mph with curves posted at 25) It was fun to ride the bike almost WFO (Karl said I wasn't allowed to rev it higher than 10K) and not slow at all for the corners. For 50cc, it's very fast. It is quite buzzy, much more so than my moped. All it needs is a few more HP. Leon --- Karl Mueller wrote: > Ok, so now I am OFFICIALLY a poser! I bought my 1999 > Aprilia RS50 from > Coleman this sat. and it is beautiful! As you can > imagine, it doen't go > very fast (my ex500 feels like a big muscle car.. > fast and impossible to > turn) I'm still breaking it in (145mi on the odo and > counting). The seating > position is fairly severe, but not tortoure (took it > to work today.. about > 30mi one way to McLean not too sore). The best part > is when i'm stopped at > a light, and I get stares from people trying to > figure out what i'm riding > (it's as big/long as my ex, but sounds like a > chainsaw). I haven't gotten > gas mileage figures yet (bastards at coleman gave me > something like .5 gal > of gas, and told me it was "full" (it has a 3.5gal > tank)) but i'm assuming > that it'll be up in the high 70's or 80mpg :) > > It's definitely the most sporty/poser/beautiful 50cc > in the world, and it's > insured as a scooter. I think it's a pretty good > trade-off to only have a > max speed of 55mph (till the 70cc is bought..). Now, > i need to find some > 35mph twisty backroads..... > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:46:43 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11818 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Tue, 14 Sep 99 16:46:12 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa0022n; Tue, 14 Sep 99 16:46:04 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:46:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Saftey wire chain Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:44:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Easy enough. You take a short legnth of safter-wire, wrap it around the outerplate and the retaining clip a couple times, twist it off and make sure it's laying flat to the plate. Then, spin the wheel by hand to check and see that it doesn't catch or drag on anything. As someone (I didn't pay attention to who) said, you can probably use silicone goop aswell to hold the clip inplace... As for chain failures? I've never even heard of anyone having a problem on the street, though I've seen it happen on the race-track. I personally had a chain that I ran to tight and one of the normal links failed on me. I ended up running 2 masterlinks for a couple hundred miles till I got back home and put on a new chain. Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel aka ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > Okay aside from that, someone tell me how to saftey wire a > chain, as that's what I'd like to do.. I'd like to have a little > extra confidence my chain won't jam my backwheel. > > And is that how most chains come off, a failed master link? From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:57:30 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12007 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA10203 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:57:16 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFEAE.50E4F760.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: How about a valve-stem thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:40:23 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't get me started on stem-cell research!- oops, different stem, sorry. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Troutman Subject: Re: How about a valve-stem thread How about a valve-stem thread? I think all people who use right-angle valve stems are real wusses - straight valve stems are the only way to go. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0400 >At 10:09 AM 9/14/99 , Burger, Donald wrote: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I started using WD-40 only. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 12:58:18 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12017 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:59 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C6F7@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Another thing here is that thieves (bastards) don't steal what they can't see or don't know about. The further out of view it is from the road and/or sidewalk the less attempts will be made to steal it. Glenn In a message dated 9/13/99 5:20:31 PM, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: > Marcy, I think it's a good idea to put the CB-1 in >the back yard and secure it with a cable. In my >experience, a cable and disc lock hardly slow down >professional thieves. Glad they didn't get away with >your bike! > Sean >I know I think you're right! >I'll have to see if I can widen the gate entrance somehow or something... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:12:54 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12281 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:12:50 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA15572; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:12:46 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma005138; Tue, 14 Sep 99 13:02:47 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI200B1K7HU9V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.005D81A5 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:00:58 -0400 Subject: Aprilia RS50 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.005D8280.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Karl, How much is the US retail price for an Aprilia RS50? BTW, I don't suppose they qualify to race in YSR50 races, do they? :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Nearly 20x the displacement of an RS50, but not even 3x as fast :^p ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:14:23 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12291 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:14:21 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id NAA0000009525; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:13:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: How about a gun thread Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Gosh, gun nuts are a touchy lot, aren't they? THAT WAS A JOKE, PEOPLE. No one was debating a point or using any arguments, including you. And it seemed to me that much of this was tongue in cheek. Lighten up and stop getting nasty. Joe Schmoe wrote: > The same place you learned to use strong arguments of proven fact to debate a point.. er, wait.. you're just nit-picking, I'm sorry.. Hope I'm not talking over your head, though I suspect I am. On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:27:28 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12598 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id NAA0000010025; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:26:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 This is the very best advice. When I lived in DC I parked my bike (& truck) in a secure garage. one of the reasons I now live in Arlington is that finding a place in my price range with secure parking in DC was a little too challenging. Whereas in Arlington it's easier to find parking and I am comfortable with it being a little less secure. It's so worth the hassle of altering your gate so you can get the bike behind the house. (When I was looking at places on the Hill that seemed to be the best parking option... had I bought a place there I probably would have devoted my postage stamp size yard to bike parking.) "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Another thing here is that thieves (bastards) don't steal what they can't see or don't know about. The further out of view it is from the road and/or sidewalk the less attempts will be made to steal it. Glenn In a message dated 9/13/99 5:20:31 PM, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: > Marcy, I think it's a good idea to put the CB-1 in >the back yard and secure it with a cable. In my >experience, a cable and disc lock hardly slow down >professional thieves. Glad they didn't get away with >your bike! > Sean >I know I think you're right! >I'll have to see if I can widen the gate entrance somehow or something... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:44:43 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12943 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id uTPWa28691 (4323); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:42:27 EDT Subject: Re: How about a gun thread was RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/14/99 10:12:36 AM, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: >Oh boy, last week we had the helmet thread, this week we start the gun >thread. How fun. In my humble opinion all handguns should be banned. ahem - ;D - this is the SHOTGUN thread marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:46:53 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13042 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:46:49 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id fJCDa09412 (4323); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1405242e.250fe3c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:45:42 EDT Subject: Re: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 9/14/99 12:58:17 PM, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX writes: >Another thing here is that thieves (bastards) don't steal what they can't >see or don't know about. The further out of view it is from the road and/or >sidewalk the less attempts will be made to steal it. it's in an alley, under a tree, around a corner, between the bushes, and covered! VERY hard to see!!!! but of course you're right - so I'll have to add "behind the fence" to the above list and get about 12 more locks and maybe tie up a doberman right to the bike... ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:48:38 1999 Return-Path: free@XXXXXX Received: from m-net.arbornet.org ([209.142.209.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13074 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (free@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA05848 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a gun thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just about as much as anti-gun people.. only thing is, my side is backed by something this country was founded upon. > -----Original Message----- > From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX [mailto:johnwhiteside@XXXXXX] > > > Gosh, gun nuts are a touchy lot, aren't they? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 13:51:50 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13161 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA19704 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.27] ([192.168.1.27]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA00019 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:53:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: anti-theft strategies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello all- We have started on a subject I am curious for people's opinion on- bike security. If (when) I ride my bike somewhere, I am wondering what the best ways are to lock it. Right now I throw a kryptonite lock through the front wheel, and assume that if they really want it, I am screwed anyway, but this will keep away casual thieves. My theory is this- a casual thief wants to ride it away, and a serious one will carry it if need be. I am already keeping away casuals (the kryponite locks are a real pain in the ass to get around- if they have a torch/ freon/ liquid nitrogen, who am I to stop em?), so I am worried only about the "serious" level. I suppose I could get a Chain (like the Kryptonite NY Chain) to lock the thing to whatever is around (lightposts/ steel fences/ etc), but does anyone actually do that? and why have a good chain when the only things to lock it too are mild steel (or worse) that will not require much to get through). And I don't plan to sit and watch the thing with shotgun/dog/etc, so not looking for that level of security/stupidity... Thanks Ned Suesse 96 cbr 600 f3 dreaming of aprilia rs250's... (and thinking that a 50 might be a fun place to start) ---------------------------------------------------- Ned Suesse GreyPilgrim 301.610.6393 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:03:03 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13354 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:02:47 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C700@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:03:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) WD-40 still makes a mess of the wheel, sprocket, and everything else (as I've noticed on others bikes). As per advice from Brian McCoy, I use the Honda Pro-lube which seems to be the best at not flinging off the chain. Be sure to get that chain good and hot first before applying the lube. Glenn >gotta join in! whee.. here we go... > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > And the WD-40 does not harm the rings. > >Nope, just the propelant they use to get the WD-40 to spary out of the >can.... go buy a normal squeeze bottle and everything's peachy.. :) >Brian McCoy (that info Also provided by the VFR list) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:05:10 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13432 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:04:06 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:04:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:18:42 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Redskins lose...my fault! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline (Watch for me on TV at Michigan home games ;-) we got cheap season tickets!! lol) Yeah, picking you out from the other 99,999 people in that stadium should be no problem! ;-) Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:05:13 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13435 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:04:35 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:04:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:51:35 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, knapik@XXXXXX Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I thought guns were illegal in D.C. That would explain why nobody ever gets shot there! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:12:47 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13592 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914181548.350.rocketmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:15:48 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've had them do both. The ones who want to be subtle about it will slowly slide over, others open the door and hold it there. The response is the same in both cases. Don't split lanes past this one. Find a way to make a legal pass in another lane then wave at him nicely and continue to split in front of him. Leon. --- Troutman wrote: > At 04:37 PM 9/13/99 , Bill Huson wrote: > >Methinks California lane splitting is restricted to > creeping/stopped > >traffic and > >the lane splitter cannot exceed 15 MPH. Cages who > open doors or try some other > >distardly trick are slam dunked by the law. > > Something tells me that isn't true. I think they > have to be within 10-15 > MPH of traffic speed, but it can be moving. Don't > quote me on that though > - I get my info from usenet. > > Why would a cager open his door or stick his arm > out? He is going to screw > up his car, and likely lose an arm....I know this is > a fear of lane > splitters, but has it ever happened? I do believe a > cager would squeeze in > so there is no room to pass...that makes more > sense....(well, relative sense). > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, > RED of course! > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:30:10 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13998 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:29:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Trailers.. Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:29:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) So, the time has come for me to buy an enclosed trailer.. Anyone have one, or know someone private that's looking to get rid of an enclosed that's somewhere near a 7'x14'? Any good leads on places that sell trailers? I've exhausted the yellow-pages, and the net doesn't yield a whole heck of a lot.... Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:30:57 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14010 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:30:55 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id OAA0000013490; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:30:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Joe Schmoe Subject: Re: Re: How about a gun thread Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 As Elvis Costello sang, "... and a German sense of humor." Joe Schmoe wrote: > Just about as much as anti-gun people.. only thing is, my side is backed by something this country was founded upon. > -----Original Message----- > From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX [mailto:johnwhiteside@XXXXXX] > > > Gosh, gun nuts are a touchy lot, aren't they? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:35:32 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14111 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:35:30 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id OAA0000014014; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:34:58 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Hmm. There are two sides to the visibility coin. In my old Boston neighborhood, there were the parking "haves" (who had spots in the alley behind our block) and the "have nots" like me (who parked on the street). While hunting for parking was a pain, I did notice that there seemed to be more vandalism in the alley-- out of sight of passers-by. Sometimes that out of the way, out of view spot provides a nice quiet place for a thief to do his dirty work. So maybe in plain view, locked down tight is better than out of view, but outdoors. This probably depends on the business of your street, too. I lived somewhere where people were constantly walking by, which makes it tougher to execute a theft that takes more that a very short time. Don't you hate having to worry about this crap? I know I do. JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/14/99 12:58:17 PM, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX writes: >Another thing here is that thieves (bastards) don't steal what they can't >see or don't know about. The further out of view it is from the road and/or >sidewalk the less attempts will be made to steal it. it's in an alley, under a tree, around a corner, between the bushes, and covered! VERY hard to see!!!! but of course you're right - so I'll have to add "behind the fence" to the above list and get about 12 more locks and maybe tie up a doberman right to the bike... ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:36:13 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14121 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI200C05BKNZR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:34:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA04809; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990914183359.ZVDS618@toddnt>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:33:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:31:16 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) In-reply-to: <01BEFE88.8C3D7D80.bernescut@ncea.org> To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000a01befedf$54a16ce0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I kindof like that RSVmille > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:10 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) > > > Very cool if you have Shockwave loaded: > > http://www.nettuno.it/fiera/powerhouse/flaszone/ing/frame.htm > > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > "Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"?" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:06 AM > To: 'Karl Mueller'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) > > What's an Aprilia? > > Mike > 82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:42:44 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14216 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA30825 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:42:34 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:25:42 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFEBD.06A1E5A0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:25:41 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ned: I ride into DC and park in a gated garage so I'm lucky in that sense, but before I got access to the garage I had to park outside. I bought a Kryptonite Barbed Wire cable at a local shop http://www.kryptonitelock.com/abc.html and coiled it up into my tankbag. I locked the bike to a large pole using a Kyrptonite disc lock and running the cable through the frame of my CBR600. Eventually this can get old, but its the only cable flexible enough for me to fit somewhere on the bike. I would probably recommend their New York lock, but it weighs a ton and is a little difficult to carry around. If you can get away with it, Coleman (no booing or hissing please) in Falls Church carries an anchoring system you bolt to the ground and combined with a good chain really leaves the thief with dynamite as his only option. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Ned Suesse [SMTP:nsuesse@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:53 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: anti-theft strategies Hello all- We have started on a subject I am curious for people's opinion on- bike security. If (when) I ride my bike somewhere, I am wondering what the best ways are to lock it. Right now I throw a kryptonite lock through the front wheel, and assume that if they really want it, I am screwed anyway, but this will keep away casual thieves. My theory is this- a casual thief wants to ride it away, and a serious one will carry it if need be. I am already keeping away casuals (the kryponite locks are a real pain in the ass to get around- if they have a torch/ freon/ liquid nitrogen, who am I to stop em?), so I am worried only about the "serious" level. I suppose I could get a Chain (like the Kryptonite NY Chain) to lock the thing to whatever is around (lightposts/ steel fences/ etc), but does anyone actually do that? and why have a good chain when the only things to lock it too are mild steel (or worse) that will not require much to get through). And I don't plan to sit and watch the thing with shotgun/dog/etc, so not looking for that level of security/stupidity... Thanks Ned Suesse 96 cbr 600 f3 dreaming of aprilia rs250's... (and thinking that a 50 might be a fun place to start) ---------------------------------------------------- Ned Suesse GreyPilgrim 301.610.6393 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:55:38 1999 Return-Path: FatGuyRide@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14453 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: FatGuyRide@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA25072 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FatGuyRide@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vGVUa22963 (3967) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d8e868d.250ff3fa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:54:50 EDT Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 I agree that there is probably little to do about the "serious" thieves. I am perhaps fortunate enough to live in an area that doesn't scream villainy and hooliganism too loudly. However, never one to easily fall victim to casual thievery, I too am looking into ways to help secure my ride. One way I'm looking into is adding an unassuming second kill switch to the bike. I've found that the best disguise for something you don't want someone to find is to put it right in plain view. A fake cruise control nobby or perhaps a parking light switch would be good candidates. I'm not really one fer toting shotguns or dogs around everywhere I go...I much prefer the feel of bones snapping from excessive application of pressure. The more passive deterrents I put on the bike the better the chances of me crushing some thievin' skulls! J Just a thought........ Rich ' 79 Yamaha 750 Special ' 76 KZ400 Manassas, VA ================================= Be safe...be courteous...and always let the Fat Guy ride! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 14:55:44 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14455 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01019; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:55:30 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEFEBE.CE61A660.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:38:26 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, that is a sweet bike. I hope they get their dealer network up and succeed here in the states. In Europe, their sales of several million scooters helps support their more exotic bikes, which is why I hope they do well because the US has not been a typically strong scooter market up to now. In Europe, especially Italy, everyone rides one, here its seen as a "student/young person" thing, but since they have much more congested traffic along with higher fuel prices, economically and socially, small, light transportation is a matter of necessity. Every time I visit the "old" country I'm amazed at how developed these machines are; there are entire leagues for racing 50cc machines and Aprilia is as much of a racing success and household name as Honda or Ducati. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:31 PM To: bernescut@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) I kindof like that RSVmille > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:10 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) > > > Very cool if you have Shockwave loaded: > > http://www.nettuno.it/fiera/powerhouse/flaszone/ing/frame.htm > > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > "Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"?" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:06 AM > To: 'Karl Mueller'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Haven't posted in a while.. I bought a toy :) > > What's an Aprilia? > > Mike > 82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 15:06:24 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14764 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8te (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id PAA09945; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <021901befee5$26fdb680$9c5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <01BEFEBD.06A1E5A0.bernescut@ncea.org> Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:12:56 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm planning on mentioning just such an item to my apartment complex. In an effort to allow the several motorcycles in my neighhboring building to install these things in 1 or 2 spaces and devote those spaces to motorcycles. Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Cedric Bernescut To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:25 PM Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies > Ned: > > I ride into DC and park in a gated garage so I'm lucky in that sense, but > before I got access to the garage I had to park outside. I bought a > Kryptonite Barbed Wire cable at a local shop > http://www.kryptonitelock.com/abc.html and coiled it up into my tankbag. > I locked the bike to a large pole using a Kyrptonite disc lock and running > the cable through the frame of my CBR600. Eventually this can get old, but > its the only cable flexible enough for me to fit somewhere on the bike. I > would probably recommend their New York lock, but it weighs a ton and is a > little difficult to carry around. If you can get away with it, Coleman (no > booing or hissing please) in Falls Church carries an anchoring system you > bolt to the ground and combined with a good chain really leaves the thief > with dynamite as his only option. > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ned Suesse [SMTP:nsuesse@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: anti-theft strategies > > Hello all- > We have started on a subject I am curious for people's > opinion on- bike security. If (when) I ride my bike somewhere, I am > wondering what the best ways are to lock it. Right now I throw a > kryptonite lock through the front wheel, and assume that if they > really want it, I am screwed anyway, but this will keep away casual > thieves. My theory is this- a casual thief wants to ride it away, and > a serious one will carry it if need be. I am already keeping away > casuals (the kryponite locks are a real pain in the ass to get > around- if they have a torch/ freon/ liquid nitrogen, who am I to > stop em?), so I am worried only about the "serious" level. I suppose > I could get a Chain (like the Kryptonite NY Chain) to lock the thing > to whatever is around (lightposts/ steel fences/ etc), but does > anyone actually do that? and why have a good chain when the only > things to lock it too are mild steel (or worse) that will not require > much to get through). > > And I don't plan to sit and watch the thing with shotgun/dog/etc, so > not looking for that level of security/stupidity... > > Thanks > Ned Suesse > > 96 cbr 600 f3 > > dreaming of aprilia rs250's... (and thinking that a 50 might be a fun > place to start) > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Ned Suesse > GreyPilgrim > 301.610.6393 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 15:06:32 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14767 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990914190552.10539.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:05:52 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a Kryptonite Barbed Wire cable attached to a Kryptonite disc lock on a sportbike that was stolen from under my window in June. The thieves cut through the cable easily and silently and then dragged the bike away with the disc lock. It seems something heavier (New York Chain, Cobralinks) plus an alarm might work better, but as Glenn said, I'm convinced that if professional thieves can see your bike and have a little undisturbed time, they will get it. Sean Sullivan --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Ned: > > I ride into DC and park in a gated garage so I'm > lucky in that sense, but > before I got access to the garage I had to park > outside. I bought a > Kryptonite Barbed Wire cable at a local shop > http://www.kryptonitelock.com/abc.html and coiled > it up into my tankbag. > I locked the bike to a large pole using a > Kyrptonite disc lock and running > the cable through the frame of my CBR600. > Eventually this can get old, but > its the only cable flexible enough for me to fit > somewhere on the bike. I > would probably recommend their New York lock, but it > weighs a ton and is a > little difficult to carry around. If you can get > away with it, Coleman (no > booing or hissing please) in Falls Church carries an > anchoring system you > bolt to the ground and combined with a good chain > really leaves the thief > with dynamite as his only option. > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ned Suesse [SMTP:nsuesse@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: anti-theft strategies > > Hello all- > We have started on a subject I am curious for > people's > opinion on- bike security. If (when) I ride my bike > somewhere, I am > wondering what the best ways are to lock it. Right > now I throw a > kryptonite lock through the front wheel, and assume > that if they > really want it, I am screwed anyway, but this will > keep away casual > thieves. My theory is this- a casual thief wants to > ride it away, and > a serious one will carry it if need be. I am already > keeping away > casuals (the kryponite locks are a real pain in the > ass to get > around- if they have a torch/ freon/ liquid > nitrogen, who am I to > stop em?), so I am worried only about the "serious" > level. I suppose > I could get a Chain (like the Kryptonite NY Chain) > to lock the thing > to whatever is around (lightposts/ steel fences/ > etc), but does > anyone actually do that? and why have a good chain > when the only > things to lock it too are mild steel (or worse) that > will not require > much to get through). > > And I don't plan to sit and watch the thing with > shotgun/dog/etc, so > not looking for that level of security/stupidity... > > Thanks > Ned Suesse > > 96 cbr 600 f3 > > dreaming of aprilia rs250's... (and thinking that a > 50 might be a fun > place to start) > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Ned Suesse > GreyPilgrim > 301.610.6393 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 15:12:48 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14877 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:12:03 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:51:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:50:50 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, mriderleon@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> Leon Begeman - 9/14/99 2:15 PM >>> I've had them do both. The ones who want to be subtle about it will slowly slide over, others open the door and hold it there. The response is the same in both cases. Don't split lanes past this one. Find a way to make a legal pass in another lane then wave at him nicely and continue to split in front of him. Then loosen your helmet strap, lift up the chin strap, and hock a big loogie on his windshield! What? Dang, I thought this was the "lane spitting" thread . . . sorry . . . Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 15:58:47 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15750 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23234; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEA7AA.FBDCB4DE@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:53:14 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <4.2.0.58.19990914102723.01488c40@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's cuz WD-40 BITES! Got to a marine store and get CR-56 or 66. I use to use LPS-??? something on my chains, and then I discovered the joy of belts. Bill Troutman wrote: > Don't we usually wait until winter for all the off-topic threads? I want > to start another WD-40 thread. My chain is showing signs of rust since I > started using WD-40 only. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > dropped tooth up front, no snorkel, K&N filter, > RED of course! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:10:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15950 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24862; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEAA6A.3EAF0B18@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:04:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: attempted theft on Capitol Hill -Reply References: <1405242e.250fe3c6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got mine inna carport, behind a closed garage door (carport with garage doors - go figure) and secured with the fork lock thinger that came stock. But I have an attack cat - a jet black older than dirt female with a bad attitude. She sleeps on the nice leather pillion seat and woe be the bugger who attempts to roust her. Bill > it's in an alley, under a tree, around a corner, between the bushes, and > covered! > VERY hard to see!!!! > but of course you're right - so I'll have to add "behind the fence" to the > above list and get about 12 more locks and maybe tie up a doberman right to > the bike... > ;D > > marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:11:48 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15972 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA15664; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:11:36 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012763; Tue, 14 Sep 99 16:07:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI200FW1G1C9R@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.006E6789 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:05:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:05:33 -0400 Subject: Re: How about a gun thread To: Joe Schmoe Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.006E67A0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yep, I was responding to your wickedly intellectual argument, which was "shoot everyone who does not agree with me". You are right, that one went way over my head. Hard to keep up with someone as bright as you. However, you are in good company with the "shoot those that disagree with me" argument. I think a short Austrian corporal by the name of Adolph perfected that technique in the 1940s (yes, after he confiscated many private firearms). If you would like to compare where I was educated and where I learned to use such strong arguments, go ahead Joe Schmoe. I would love to see your credentials. Mark PS: The country was founded on a complex issue involving taxation and tariffs (like most great revolutions, its was based on economics) NOT the right to bear arms. The right to bear arms was integral to our ability to effect a change of government since the majority of the fighting was done by citizen soldiers. If the country was 'founded' upon everything our forefathers put in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, it was also founded on the notion that ownership of fellow man was acceptable. To: Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington DC/C&L/US@Americas-US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Joe Schmoe Date: 09/14/99 04:06:18 PM GMT Subject: Re: How about a gun thread The same place you learned to use strong arguments of proven fact to debate a point.. er, wait.. you're just nit-picking, I'm sorry.. Hope I'm not talking over your head, though I suspect I am. On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:17:06 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16140 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:15:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199909141615.AA934674716@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , , , , Subject: Re: lane spitting X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JOE NAGY Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:50:50 -0400 >Then loosen your helmet strap, lift up the chin strap, and hock a big >loogie on his windshield! What? Dang, I thought this was the "lane >spitting" thread . . . sorry . . . Joe, I've found that a flip-face helmet such as my Nolan N-100 is much better at facilitating loogie-launching at offending cages. Also, if you wear a camel-bak water bladder on longer rides, you have a virtually unlimited supply of "ammo", so to speak. :) Now actively working on aim and distance, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- ---------- Original Message ------------------------ From: JOE NAGY Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:50:50 -0400 >>> Leon Begeman - 9/14/99 2:15 PM >>> I've had them do both. The ones who want to be subtle about it will slowly slide over, others open the door and hold it there. The response is the same in both cases. Don't split lanes past this one. Find a way to make a legal pass in another lane then wave at him nicely and continue to split in front of him. Then loosen your helmet strap, lift up the chin strap, and hock a big loogie on his windshield! What? Dang, I thought this was the "lane spitting" thread . . . sorry . . . Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:18:16 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16158 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:18:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199909141618.AA315228214@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Troutman , Bill Huson CC: Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:53:14 -0400 > I use to use LPS-??? something on my chains, and then I discovered > the joy of belts. Is this my cue to mention the joy of shaft drives? Lube? Yeah, I lubed the bike 12 months ago. What's a master link? :) Horkster (shafties rule!) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:25:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16266 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26683; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEADEF.7F2320E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:19:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Trailers.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a trailer joint in So MD. Want Ad usually has trailers. Sevral considerations, having owned a buncha trailers and built more'n a half dozen custom trialers for baot racers, is WHAT are you towing it with? Both my vehicles are trucks with 3.5 rear axle ratios for towing, and automatic. Sticks can't tow as much gross wieght, as per OEM specs. Standard axle ratios are also limited as they're set up for econo-blasting and kind of come up gasping with a load behind it. Enclosed trailers are heavy. For bikes a single axle rig is all you'll need, and the frame can be light duty, but most built for sale trailers are built like the proverbial brick outhouse. So make sure your vehicle will tow it. Bill fixing to sparky together a twin rail rig McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > So, the time has come for me to buy an enclosed trailer.. Anyone have one, > or know someone private that's looking to get rid of an enclosed that's > somewhere near a 7'x14'? Any good leads on places that sell trailers? I've > exhausted the yellow-pages, and the net doesn't yield a whole heck of a > lot.... Any info would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:28:15 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16353 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27083; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:28:09 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEAE93.3B8CF002@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:22:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <199909141618.AA315228214@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Bill Huson > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:53:14 -0400 > > > I use to use LPS-??? something on my chains, and then I discovered > > the joy of belts. > > Is this my cue to mention the joy of shaft drives? Lube? Yeah, > I lubed the bike 12 months ago. What's a master link? :) > > Horkster (shafties rule!) > I lubed my belt - er - never have. No gears, no grease, no problem :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:32:20 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16473 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24159 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914162909.01403960@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: High Winds and Bike Storage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday=20 thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse,=20 covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for=20 stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months=20 ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my=20 concern. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:32:52 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16491 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24156; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914162629.013f1960@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:29:07 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: How about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) Cc: Joe Schmoe , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852567EC.006E67A0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 04:05 PM 9/14/99 , mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Yep, I was responding to your wickedly intellectual argument, which was >"shoot everyone who does not agree with me". You are right, that one went >way over my head. Hard to keep up with someone as bright as you. However, >you are in good company with the "shoot those that disagree with me" >argument. I think a short Austrian corporal by the name of Adolph >perfected that technique in the 1940s (yes, after he confiscated many >private firearms). Castro too. He formed a gun club in the country, providing free ammo to=20 the Cubans who joined. Then gathered a list of every gun owner in the=20 country and went door to door, collecting their weapons. I don't agree with Joe, but I own a couple of guns, and I do intend on=20 keeping them. I don't see any place for automatic weapons in the hands of= =20 citizens, but who am I to say they can't have them and enjoy them safely? .02 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:40:42 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16645 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:39:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199909141639.AA100794838@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , CC: , Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:22:43 -0400 >I lubed my belt - er - never have. No gears, no grease, no problem :-) I've tried really hard to not like them, but I really can't say much bad about belt drives. Tracy's old Savage had a belt, so does my Father-in-Law's Kawi 440 LTD. Set the tension once and more or less forget about them.Not bad. Not bad at all. IMO, belts are far better than chains, I have heard they don't like gravel roads very well. But then again most street bikes don't see a whole lot of gravel roads anyway. (Except Leon's). I'll never own another chain-drive bike, that's for sure. WAAAYYY too much bother and expense if you put real miles on 'em. I could be swayed to belt drives, though. Horkster (shafties and belts rule?) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:48:13 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16863 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:48:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EC.00727F56 ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:50:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EC.00727D69.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:44:46 -0400 Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=fef68CsIAjbeOtvhgC8dsOmR8A0dBB7rWZLULRP8BlXesL9kPyk0KiXL" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=fef68CsIAjbeOtvhgC8dsOmR8A0dBB7rWZLULRP8BlXesL9kPyk0KiXL Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hmmm, I guess I won't be riding to work that day! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Troutman on 09/14/99 04:31:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: High Winds and Bike Storage Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse, covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my concern. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K --0__=fef68CsIAjbeOtvhgC8dsOmR8A0dBB7rWZLULRP8BlXesL9kPyk0KiXL Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =F6nig = --0__=fef68CsIAjbeOtvhgC8dsOmR8A0dBB7rWZLULRP8BlXesL9kPyk0KiXL-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 16:56:32 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net [208.243.113.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17005 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08290 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909142055.QAA08290@prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: inbox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:44 EDT." <4.2.0.58.19990914162909.01403960@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:55:36 -0400 From: Mark In your message dated: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:44 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday => thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse, => covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for => stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months => ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. Not only does the cover act like a sail, but in a good wind, it will do a nice job of buffing the wax, clear coat, top coat, decals, and paint right off the bike. You may get to see the raw fiberglass. I vote for centerstand, though physics-wise, the sidestand is probably better. If you want more of a lean angle, park on a piece of 3/4" plywood (and have the foot of the sidestand _off_ the plywood. => => The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my => concern. => => ___________________________________________ => Mike Troutman => http://www.troutman.org/vfr => => '97 Honda VFR 750 => 16k and counting => => Das VFR ist König => ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 17:07:54 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17254 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:07:51 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA12830; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:07:25 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma010119; Tue, 14 Sep 99 17:04:19 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI2002TPIO7NJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.00739AED ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:02:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:02:18 -0400 Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.00739ACE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=UiDAhccptpRsX2A9HeUhq3uJUfWRdW7j1fS7tlLza1LXBVR7m3u1hkSh" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL --0__=UiDAhccptpRsX2A9HeUhq3uJUfWRdW7j1fS7tlLza1LXBVR7m3u1hkSh Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've always heard (and I believe) that the sidestand is much more stable than a centerstand. The bike's footprint between points of contact is much greater when on a sidestand. Wider is better, as Pontiac likes to say. I too have my bike parked in front of my townhouse and I'm concerned as well. I'd leave the cover off, but I'd hate to think of it shivering out there without its blanket. ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Troutman Date: 09/14/99 08:31:44 PM GMT Subject: High Winds and Bike Storage --0__=UiDAhccptpRsX2A9HeUhq3uJUfWRdW7j1fS7tlLza1LXBVR7m3u1hkSh Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse,= covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months= ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is = my concern. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity t= o which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, o= r taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you rece= ived this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from = any computer. = --0__=UiDAhccptpRsX2A9HeUhq3uJUfWRdW7j1fS7tlLza1LXBVR7m3u1hkSh-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 17:19:27 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17457 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA24385; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:19:23 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021408; Tue, 14 Sep 99 17:15:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI2004SJJ700Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EC.0074A4DB ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:14:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:13:33 -0400 Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EC.0074A4E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It's strange... the people who normally buy shafties are long-distance types (I'm exagerrating I know). I wouldn't think long distance types and "bother and expense" were all that foreign to one another. I'm kidding of course. To each their own, but I don't consider having a chain drive to be any bother or expense. I seem to go through tires fast enough that chain adjustment is a non-issue. :^) A quick squirt of chain lube every now and then doesn't seem to much of a bother either. I assume there's some performance loss due to belts, or more high-performance bikes would use them. Any validity to this? Maybe it just seems that way due to the hamster-wheel engines that are generally attached to the belt drives one usually sees. ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Horkster wrote: I'll never own another chain-drive bike, that's for sure. WAAAYYY too much bother and expense if you put real miles on 'em. I could be swayed to belt drives, though. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 17:57:21 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18206 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA05772; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:57:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Trailers.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is for sale...... http://www.kens.com/trailerpics For sale, or trade for an open deck single axle car trailer. Make offers....... On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > So, the time has come for me to buy an enclosed trailer.. Anyone have one, > or know someone private that's looking to get rid of an enclosed that's > somewhere near a 7'x14'? Any good leads on places that sell trailers? I've > exhausted the yellow-pages, and the net doesn't yield a whole heck of a > lot.... Any info would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Brian McCoy > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 18:48:30 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19094 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12017; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:48:16 -0400 Message-ID: <37DECF66.FF5BEB0D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:42:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage References: <4.2.0.58.19990914162909.01403960@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Side stand with the bars cranked full left. Might want to ditch the *sail* and go neked. Also, in times like these, lashing that steed down to a tree or car is a cool idea. Bill Troutman wrote: > Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday > thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse, > covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for > stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months > ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. > > The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my > concern. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 16k and counting > > Das VFR ist König From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 18:52:48 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19183 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-4.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FI200ME9NJ8EF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:00:18 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: gas in engine block? To: DC cycles list Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <37DED225.BE7D065B@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en If I have a float stuck open so that the float bowl is getting too much gas could that cause the engine block to fill up with gas? Does anyone know of any other problems that could cause this to happen? Randy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 18:56:24 1999 Return-Path: culimerc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19197 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from el-pipo-grande (user-2iveh7l.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.68.245]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25341 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990914190426.006a9e7c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:04:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: Is it to Early? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So, is it to early to start talking abiut a possible ride on sat. yet? Last weekend was so perfect I had to be ripped from my bike kicking and screaming like a 10 year old from the last ride at the amusement park. Meet at Anita's in Chantilly around 11:30-12:00. Decide on a basic direction (only slightly more defined than west) and go. James PS. I actually do know someone who did buy a pump shot gun for the CLACK-CLACK! noise. He hasn't had to test his theroy out yet, thankfully See Ya' James From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:02:41 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19402 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13250; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37DED2AA.831B8E53@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:56:42 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <199909141639.AA100794838@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seeing as how I have a soft spot for certain vintage bikes, and thusly primed the occasion of me having cash in my jeans when I happen to run across a ratty machine screaming out for my TLC, I'll own a chain drive machine again. This will be good all-around, as Milady will be able to use the burned up chains to thash me for bringing *another* boy-toy home. Peek # of cages owned at one time - 8 (down to 3 now) Peek # of boats owned at one time - 8 (down to a pair now) Peek # of motorcycles owned at one time - 3 (down to 1 now) Peek # of computors owned at one time - 4 (remains constant) Cameras??? Dozens. From a Minox B spy type to a vintage 4X5 Speed Graphic. She wants me to get rid of my junk - JUNK!!! Bill Horkster wrote: > I've tried really hard to not like them, but I really can't say much > bad about belt drives. Tracy's old Savage had a belt, so does my > Father-in-Law's Kawi 440 LTD. Set the tension once and more or less > forget about them.Not bad. Not bad at all. > > IMO, belts are far better than chains, I have heard they don't like > gravel roads very well. But then again most street bikes don't > see a whole lot of gravel roads anyway. (Except Leon's). > > I'll never own another chain-drive bike, that's for sure. WAAAYYY > too much bother and expense if you put real miles on 'em. I > could be swayed to belt drives, though. > > Horkster (shafties and belts rule?) > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:11:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19512 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA14008; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:11:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37DED4C7.9CD633CF@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:05:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <852567EC.0074A4E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shafts have the greatest drivetrain power loss, no contest. Chains and belts are to close to call, but belts are far less maintenance and much quieter. As if *I* notice with them Harley pipes. The hi-pro problem with belts is pure strentgh. Yes, one can get special belts which can take super HP, but the basic belt used on Hawgs is limited. If you warm the Hawg up much over 100 HP and go for a full throttle dump off the line, all that H-D torque will peel the teeth right off a stock belt. The belt kinda gets in the way of wide-wide tires also. So, chains are the thang for crotch rockets with a zillion HP. Bill christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > It's strange... the people who normally buy shafties are long-distance > types (I'm exagerrating I know). I wouldn't think long distance types and > "bother and expense" were all that foreign to one another. I'm kidding of > course. > > To each their own, but I don't consider having a chain drive to be any > bother or expense. I seem to go through tires fast enough that chain > adjustment is a non-issue. :^) A quick squirt of chain lube every now and > then doesn't seem to much of a bother either. > > I assume there's some performance loss due to belts, or more > high-performance bikes would use them. Any validity to this? Maybe it just > seems that way due to the hamster-wheel engines that are generally attached > to the belt drives one usually sees. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:17:33 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19681 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id kKML0X3e9o (3962); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5ad1586.2510315f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:16:47 EDT Subject: Re: lane splitting & filtering: law vrs. custom To: mrider@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Interesting, I just returned from Italy (where I am from and return every couple of months for business purposes) and got stuck in a 20 km. backup on the autostrada from La Spezia to Parma (la Cisa Pass). Bikes were lane splitting all around me and i and 99% of the other moved to give them way. That's because 80% of Italians own at least a 50cc motorbike. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:39:18 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20127 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (216-164-131-19.s19.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.19]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02994; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00dd01beff09$91f69f00$1383a4d8@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , "James Hoofnagle" References: <3.0.1.32.19990914190426.006a9e7c@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Is it to Early? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:33:35 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am interested. Last weekend I hooked up with three other sport bike riders. I was on my 98 GSXR 750, Kevin rode his 99 CBR 900, Raz was on his 99 ZX9R and Jim was on his 99 TLR1000. Needless to say, we had some spirited riding!!! Most of it was done in Stafford and Spotsylvania Counties on back roads. We rode aproximately 260 miles without incident. Let me know what you propose for this Saturday. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hoofnagle To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:04 PM Subject: Is it to Early? > So, is it to early to start talking abiut a possible ride on sat. yet? > Last weekend was so perfect I had to be ripped from my bike kicking and > screaming like a 10 year old from the last ride at the amusement park. > Meet at Anita's in Chantilly around 11:30-12:00. Decide on a basic > direction (only slightly more defined than west) and go. > James > PS. I actually do know someone who did buy a pump shot gun for the > CLACK-CLACK! noise. He hasn't had to test his theroy out yet, thankfully > See Ya' > James > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 19:44:25 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20224 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (216-164-223-113.s113.tnt2.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.223.113]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15772; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b701beff0b$39e3b4e0$71dfa4d8@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:45:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 A couple of years ago, I had a GS500 blown over by a gust of wind. My neighbor said the wind caught the cover and jus tossed it over. It was on the side stand and the wind blew it over the kick stand. Hard to believe but it happened. What I do now is buggee the cover tightly to the bike so it can't act like a parachute. Just my 2 cents, Brian N 96 Yamaha FZR600 PS my delete button is getting tired of these thread wars. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 20:08:54 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20712 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-192.patriot.net [209.249.180.192]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18239; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:08:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37DEE24C.CF5A054A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:03:24 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmoran@XXXXXX CC: DC cycles list Subject: Re: gas in engine block? References: <37DED225.BE7D065B@loudoun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep - stuck float or needle will let the gas flow. On basic cages, a ruptured fuel pump diaphragm would fill the pan with gas, but I don't know of any bikes with similer fuel pump set ups. Most are gravity flow - petcock open? Faulty vacuum petcock? Bill Randy and Julie Moran wrote: > If I have a float stuck open so that the float bowl is getting too much > gas could that cause the engine block to fill up with gas? Does anyone > know of any other problems that could cause this to happen? > > Randy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 20:57:13 1999 Return-Path: fj1100@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21541 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf15-112.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.112]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA26641; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Troutman" , Subject: RE: High Winds and Bike Storage Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990914162909.01403960@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal Is there a gas station of garage nearby that may let you store it just for the evening? If nothing else, get it as close to the building as possible. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 4:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: High Winds and Bike Storage > > > Hey - a moto related email! DC is expecting 60 MPH winds on Thursday > thanks to our friend Floyd. My VFR is stored in front of my townhouse, > covered. What are your opinions on side stand vs. center stand for > stability in wind? One lister had his YZF blow over a couple of months > ago. The cover tends to grab the wind like a sail. > > The VFR's side stand doesn't let the bike lean over very far, which is my > concern. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 16k and counting > > Das VFR ist König From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 22:10:08 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22609 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-131-47.s47.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.47]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25142 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:09:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914220728.00bca580@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:08:58 -0400 To: From: Mike T Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage In-Reply-To: <00b701beff0b$39e3b4e0$71dfa4d8@brn626> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:45 PM 9/14/1999 , Brian N wrote: >A couple of years ago, I had a GS500 blown over by a gust of wind. My >neighbor said the wind caught the cover and jus tossed it over. It was on >the side stand and the wind blew it over the kick stand. Hard to believe but >it happened. What I do now is buggee the cover tightly to the bike so it >can't act like a parachute. Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm going to try and get it into a garage tomorrow. If I can't , I will bungee the cover to the bike, and cinder block both sides to deter tipping. I don't have room for it in the basement (finished floor) or I would roll it in for the night. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 22:31:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA22999 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915023119.9501.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:31:19 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Aprillia Scooter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: hjkoh63@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Karl, Sounds like you're really liking your new toy...Brian M and I drooled over them at the NYC show last fall...Didn't even realize it was a 50 at first look even though the stickers plainly showed that!!! Damn good looking bike, just mroe price tag than I could live with :) Brian and I looked at it close..I truly think you could skip the 70cc job and just dumpa 250 motor in there... or better yet the 300 cc motor which is the same size... Also, you might try pulling the exhaust header and seeing if they put restricter orifices in there to slow it down... If you do that though, my guess is that you'd have to stiffen the springs in the front end to deal with the extra weight. Hope you enjoy the heck out of the little beastie!! and you'll definitely have the most kick ass scooter in town!! lol Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 22:39:26 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23078 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ewiley (207-172-184-104.s104.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.184.104]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06905 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990914224330.009cd370@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:43:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Re: Aprilia RS50 In-Reply-To: <852567EC.005D8280.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It retails for $3499.. i plan on paying it off by racing ysr50's for money :) --Karl At 01:00 PM 9/14/99 -0400, you wrote: >Karl, > >How much is the US retail price for an Aprilia RS50? BTW, I don't suppose >they qualify to race in YSR50 races, do they? :^) > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 >Nearly 20x the displacement of an RS50, but not even 3x as fast :^p >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 22:45:30 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23267 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915024513.20385.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:45:13 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Wd-40 on chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Todd R. WD-40 (or other similar products) are all I ever use on O-ring chains... it's cheap, does not make any mess at all on the rest of the bike, and my chains have lasted their full expected life...ie sprockets were worn well before the chains andI've gotten lots of life out of those too... CT === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 23:01:50 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23533 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-131-47.s47.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.47]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25362 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:01:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914225824.00c79150@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:00:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Wd-40 on chains In-Reply-To: <19990915024513.20385.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:45 PM 9/14/1999 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Todd R. >WD-40 (or other similar products) are all I ever use on O-ring >chains... it's cheap, does not make any mess at all on the rest of the >bike, and my chains have lasted their full expected life...ie sprockets >were worn well before the chains andI've gotten lots of life out of >those too... Thank God - some WD-40 support! Answer me this - after I cleaned the gunk off of my chain (it sparkled) and hit it with WD-40, let it set, then checked it in a week...the chain had bits of surface rust? I still use WD-40, but the rust is disturbing. The bike is stored outdoors, and that may be the consequence. Perhaps the rust was there (bought bike used) and only showed up once I got it cleaned up...... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 23:01:57 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA23543 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915030330.4098.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:03:30 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Aprillia RS50 part 2 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: hjkoh63@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Karl, Forgot to mention in my earlier post that a good frined of mine inthe Leesburgh/Whites Ferry area has an RS250...So he could probably give you lots of helpful information about the bike..and also give you contacts to europe via Dawn Cook (she races and RS250) His name is John Koh, and he's a heck of a nice fella (cc's above) Tell him I said howdy! CT === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 14 23:48:43 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24912 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA16859 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005f01beff2d$5dd369a0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990914220728.00bca580@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: High Winds and Bike Storage Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:49:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm chaining both of ours to the house tomorrow night (with Zeus' tie out chain... only a pit bull could break one but that's another story) unless I can get Jeannette to let me bring them inside (yeah right!). Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 00:11:25 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25256 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15910 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 04:14:13 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 04:14:13 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA28987; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:14:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:14:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150414.AAA28987@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:anti-theft strategies For the Hog I use two locks plus a Barb Wire(plus ignition and stearing locks,natch). I put a Kryptonite stapler-style on the rear disk,regular disk lock on the front,and string the Barb Wire to something solid. I also try to park somewhere out in the open,where screwing with it would be obvious. When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 00:21:34 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25478 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22434 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 04:24:25 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 04:24:25 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA29816; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:24:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:24:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150424.AAA29816@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: High Winds and Bike Storage On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:52:27 -0400 Gary Foreman wrote: >Is there a gas station of garage nearby that may let you store it just for >the evening? If nothing else, get it as close to the building as possible. I second getting it close to your building. I've had mucho probs in the past with living on military bases and having bikes blown down. Best thing you can do is have something solid as a windbreak. When I was in England,I parked next to a dumpster. On Ft Myer,I would either sneak it down to the dorm loading dock,or bite the bullet and pull the cover off.(just a sec to rant here,I've yet to see a military base that had a decent place to park bikes,yet they won't pay a dime for wind damage) Don't know your set-up,but ideally you'd want to park on the leeward side of the building right up against it. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 00:23:13 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25488 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23531 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 04:26:04 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 04:26:04 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA29935; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:26:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:26:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150426.AAA29935@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Wd-40 on chains On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:00:43 -0400 Mike T wrote: >At 10:45 PM 9/14/1999 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >>Todd R. >>WD-40 (or other similar products) are all I ever use on O-ring >>chains... it's cheap, does not make any mess at all on the rest of the >>bike, and my chains have lasted their full expected life...ie sprockets >>were worn well before the chains andI've gotten lots of life out of >>those too... > >Thank God - some WD-40 support! Answer me this - after I cleaned the gunk >off of my chain (it sparkled) and hit it with WD-40, let it set, then >checked it in a week...the chain had bits of surface rust? I still use >WD-40, but the rust is disturbing. The bike is stored outdoors, and that >may be the consequence. Perhaps the rust was there (bought bike used) and >only showed up once I got it cleaned up...... Wouldn't happen if you used Maxima Chain Wax. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 05:20:25 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01790 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rXBa022319 (4440); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40695830.2510beb2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:19:46 EDT Subject: Re: Aprillia Scooter To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/14/99 10:36:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << Also, you might try pulling the exhaust header and seeing if they put restricter orifices in there to slow it down... >> Restrictors on Italian 50s are almost always on the intake manifold. Check to see if the carburetor is a Dell'Orto 12/14 or a 16/19. If it is one of the larger ones your bike is probably an export model and not restricted. If it can go 40 MPH it is not restricted, the "legal" top speed for a 50cc (which can be ridden without a license) in Italy is 40 KPH. By the way, I owned a number of 50ccs as a teenager in Italy and had an Italjet Mustang 50cc that would hit 60-65 MPH; it shouldn't be difficult to get yours to go 75 or so particularly if it is liquid cooled. A company called "Pollini" in Italy makes all kinds of hop-up equipment for 50cc bikes, i.e. ported cylinders, pistons etc. that are easy to install and are advertised with the note that their parts are sold for racetrack use only so all the kids buy them for the street. Ciao, Fred Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 06:21:37 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA02685 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C70D@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Trailers.. Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:21:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Where did you ever get that idea??? I have never NEVER seen any mention of towing difference between automatics and manuals. Typically manuals are stronger transmissions for things like towing and they are much easier to control up and down large hills and mountains then autos. It would seem that if automatics were so great for towing loads that tractor trailers would have them. Glenn >There's a trailer joint in So MD. Want Ad usually has trailers. Sevral >considerations, having owned a buncha trailers and built more'n a half dozen >custom trialers for baot racers, is WHAT are you towing it with? Both my >vehicles are trucks with 3.5 rear axle ratios for towing, and automatic. Sticks >can't tow as much gross wieght, as per OEM specs. Standard axle ratios are also >limited as they're set up for econo-blasting and kind of come up gasping with a >load behind it. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 06:30:37 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA02837 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:30:22 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C70E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: How about a WD-40 thread Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:30:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Actually belts are the most efficient at transferring power from the tranny to the rear wheel. I think I remember reading that belts are about 99% efficient, chains are 96 - 98%, and shafties are 91 - 93%. The major problem with belts seems to be they can't handle higher powered bikes without being incredibly thick and wide. And Chris, why do you have to adjust the chain when you change the tire??? Sounds like an antique to me. :-) Glenn 98 VFR 84 V30 Magna >It's strange... the people who normally buy shafties are long-distance >types (I'm exagerrating I know). I wouldn't think long distance types and >"bother and expense" were all that foreign to one another. I'm kidding of >course. >To each their own, but I don't consider having a chain drive to be any >bother or expense. I seem to go through tires fast enough that chain >adjustment is a non-issue. :^) A quick squirt of chain lube every now and >then doesn't seem to much of a bother either. >I assume there's some performance loss due to belts, or more >high-performance bikes would use them. Any validity to this? Maybe it just >seems that way due to the hamster-wheel engines that are generally attached >to the belt drives one usually sees. ;^) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:06:01 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03389 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA18108 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA28479; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:05:23 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B567C@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: WD-40 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:05:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Brian wrote... >Nope, just the propelant they use to get the WD-40 to spary out of the >can.... go buy a normal squeeze bottle and everything's peachy.. :) Last week I discovered that Home Despot sells WD-40 in half gallon cans (like the ones paint thinner comes in), and also has snazzy little pump spray bottles with the WD-40 logo on them. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:06:20 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03399 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-4.s4.tnt1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.4]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA03422 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002a01beff6a$7dbe6ac0$044daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Trailers.. Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:07:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I have been doing research for a new SUV and from what I have read the automatics have a higher gross weight for towing capacity. I also would have thought the manuals would be better. Brian N 96 Yamaha FZR600 >Where did you ever get that idea??? I have never NEVER seen any mention of >towing difference between automatics and manuals> > >Sticks >>can't tow as much gross wieght, as per OEM specs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:38:33 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04302 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA17868; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA28565; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:37:47 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B567F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" , "'jmoran@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: gas in engine block? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:37:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain I've read (on another list) that this can happen. Apparently the fuel can overflow the bowl, and runs down the cylinder walls. A good argument for maintaining those petcocks and turning them off when not in use. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA ---------------- Original Message ---------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:00:18 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: gas in engine block? To: DC cycles list Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Accept-Language: en If I have a float stuck open so that the float bowl is getting too much gas could that cause the engine block to fill up with gas? Does anyone know of any other problems that could cause this to happen? Randy From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:40:40 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04340 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA24311; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37DF8419.B55B4D0E@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:33:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Trailers.. References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C70D@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm talking passenger vehicles, not trac-trailer rigs. If you've never seen any mention of a differance, than you haven't thoroughly investigated tow capaciities on cars and light trucks. If you ordered a vehicle with a "tow package" an auto tranny was item #1 on the list. The OEM reasoning was simple - auto trannys *know* when to shift, have wet clutches and cooling systems. Manuals don't. It's easy to upgrade auto tranny cooling for heavy tows, but a bitch to add a cooler to a manual. Manuals don't have a pump. I believe a lack of OEM confidance in the shifting ability of the average driver also had a play in the issue. While employed as a general sales manager for a sports outfit that sold boats and campers, I became intimately familier with tow capacities. Your basic mid/full size passanger sedan - mostly always autos - 2000#. Econo-boxes, mostly sticks, a bag of feathers on wheels. Some econo-boxes were so structurally weak in the ass one couldn't put a hitch on them. Anoither no-no, Turbos. Turbos don't tow. You say what!!! But trac-trailers have turbos! Yep, turbos designed for HD use. Car turbos aren't - they overheat under a load and go up in smoke. Your basic `Murican truck, van/PU, usually has a higher tow rating. My van and PU have a 3.5 axle as opposed to the 2.9 standard issue ratio. The van has a tow package - extra cooling, and a BFE (Big F-----g Engine). 11,000# tow rated. The PU is 8000#. Both are automatics, as required by OEM. Wanna tow tons with a light truck and shift gears? Dodge with a Cummins desiel (genuine truck engine) and a Gertag manual tranny (genuine truck tranny). Bill Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Where did you ever get that idea??? I have never NEVER seen any mention of > towing difference between automatics and manuals. Typically manuals are > stronger transmissions for things like towing and they are much easier to > control up and down large hills and mountains then autos. It would seem > that if automatics were so great for towing loads that tractor trailers > would have them. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:47:54 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04483 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA24613; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37DF8579.D55D6BDD@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:39:37 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C70E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > The major problem with belts seems to be they can't handle higher powered > bikes > without being incredibly thick and wide. > Harleys don't have that porblem - high power. Lotta torque, good for plowing and pulling stumps, but a dead stock EVO mill has a shade over 50 HP. Perfect for us old farts who just like to casually chug down the highway. Bill older than dirt From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 07:48:08 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04493 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA24821; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:48:03 -0400 Message-ID: <37DF862C.B37ABB4E@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:42:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies References: <199909150414.AAA28987@web2.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. Hehehehe. I used that same tactics with my Z-28 Camaro, which without a doubt was the biggest heap-o-crap vehicle I have ever owned. I even left it unlocked - no takers. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:00:22 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04761 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11981 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:07:16 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8835@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Much a do about commas (was RE: How about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) ) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:07:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Here's a little ditty I found along the way: "Amendment II (1791) A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" Well, what do the commas mean? Who has rights, militias or the people? Anyway, we have already blown the "shall not be infringed" part, so what's next? But wait, this is interesting: "Amendment IV (1791) The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." So hand over the piece scumbag, since criminals exist and use firearms to do crimes, you are obviously a crook; and don't give me that no criminal history or probable cause verbiage. See ya, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:05:29 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04856 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:05:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:05:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Now you're stepping into my territory.. noone on the list saw the vehicle I had when I was in this area first.. it was an 86 Jeep Wagoneer.. it was such a turd-bucket, that I left the windows down, doors unlocked, keys in the ignition, and title (signed!) sitting on the seat... it still had to be towed off (it did run, just not well). heh - me, owner of 'questionable' vehicles.. I've only blown up 5 engines in 10 years.. ;) Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > > > > When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with > enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. > > Hehehehe. I used that same tactics with my Z-28 Camaro, which > without a doubt was the biggest heap-o-crap vehicle I have > ever owned. I even left it unlocked - no takers. > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:13:05 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04951 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA27307 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA04921; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:12:31 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5680@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: FW: Help needed in Baltimore Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:12:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone? Isn't there a Baltimore list? Please reply to DAD1150@XXXXXX Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA >From: "John G. Gray" >Reply-To: DAD1150@XXXXXX >To: BRIT-IRON-L@XXXXXX >Subject: Help needed in Baltimore >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:12:50 EDT > >Is there anybody in the Baltimore, MD, that would be willing to help a novice >rider get started ??? If so PLEASE contact me off list. > >Thank you in advance....Gordon Gray > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:34:04 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05282 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI30078LPJTNH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA24078; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915123329.SJAW612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:30:50 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: TekWar Was: How about a WD-40 thread In-reply-to: <852567EC.0074A4E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000801beff76$24e258b0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Don't worry about it Chris. Dale is a born-again appreciatech - one that has seen the light on many fronts of modern day motorcycling. I too don't get the bother thing. Once you get the check, adjust if necessary routine down it takes at most five minutes to adjust your chain and at the same time gives you an opportunity to look around down there. But he does have a point about the expense, especially for LD types. It cost me around $170 to replace my chain and sprocket set, for the second time, about two months ago. Todd (Love those VTRs, chain and all) > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 5:14 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: How about a WD-40 thread > > > It's strange... the people who normally buy shafties are long-distance > types (I'm exagerrating I know). I wouldn't think long distance types and > "bother and expense" were all that foreign to one another. I'm kidding of > course. > > To each their own, but I don't consider having a chain drive to be any > bother or expense. I seem to go through tires fast enough that chain > adjustment is a non-issue. :^) A quick squirt of chain lube every now and > then doesn't seem to much of a bother either. > > I assume there's some performance loss due to belts, or more > high-performance bikes would use them. Any validity to this? Maybe it just > seems that way due to the hamster-wheel engines that are > generally attached > to the belt drives one usually sees. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > Horkster wrote: > I'll never own another chain-drive bike, that's for sure. WAAAYYY > too much bother and expense if you put real miles on 'em. I > could be swayed to belt drives, though. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:34:06 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05284 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI30077SPJUMD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA15669; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915123330.SJAY612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:30:51 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: gas in engine block? In-reply-to: <37DED225.BE7D065B@loudoun.com> To: jmoran@XXXXXX, DC cycles list Message-id: <000901beff76$2582b760$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal That would be about it, unless you have a direct gasline feed to your cylinders. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy and Julie Moran [mailto:jmoran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:00 PM > To: DC cycles list > Subject: gas in engine block? > > > If I have a float stuck open so that the float bowl is getting too much > gas could that cause the engine block to fill up with gas? Does anyone > know of any other problems that could cause this to happen? > > Randy > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:40:24 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05373 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA29242 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA22254; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:39:50 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5681@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Hiding from Floyd Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:39:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone is near Herndon, and is really desperate for a place to put their bike while Floyd blows over, you could stick it in the AT&T parking ramp (next to the Hyatt on Horsepen Rd.). It's better than having it blow over, or (worse yet) having a tree land on it. No one will mess with it or you. Good luck, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:43:25 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05449 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id IAA0000010681; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:44:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Much a do about commas (was RE: How about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) ) Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Did you write that message while riding on your motorcycle? Michael Jay wrote: > Here's a little ditty I found along the way: "Amendment II (1791) A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" Well, what do the commas mean? Who has rights, militias or the people? Anyway, we have already blown the "shall not be infringed" part, so what's next? But wait, this is interesting: "Amendment IV (1791) The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." So hand over the piece scumbag, since criminals exist and use firearms to do crimes, you are obviously a crook; and don't give me that no criminal history or probable cause verbiage. See ya, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 08:50:04 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05624 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-184.patriot.net [209.249.180.184]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA29826; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:49:51 -0400 Message-ID: <37DF94A2.D0F70891@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:44:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had me a `76 Grand Wagoneer, which was an interesting vehicle. Reliability ranked a close second to the Triumph Spitfire I had in my stable. Bill McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Now you're stepping into my territory.. noone on the list saw the vehicle I > had when I was in this area first.. it was an 86 Jeep Wagoneer.. it was such > a turd-bucket, that I left the windows down, doors unlocked, keys in the > ignition, and title (signed!) sitting on the seat... it still had to be > towed off (it did run, just not well). > > heh - me, owner of 'questionable' vehicles.. I've only blown up 5 engines in > 10 years.. ;) > > Brian McCoy > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with > > enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. > > > > Hehehehe. I used that same tactics with my Z-28 Camaro, which > > without a doubt was the biggest heap-o-crap vehicle I have > > ever owned. I even left it unlocked - no takers. > > > > Bill > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:29:46 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06232 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567ED.004A6230 ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:32:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: "'DCC'" Message-ID: <852567ED.004A61F3.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:26:27 -0400 Subject: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok, so the traffic on Route 7 is at a stand still. Complete stock still. No one is moving. This is in the direction of Falls Church to Tysons, NOT the other way. So, I figure, melting in my leathers, that there must be an accident. We creep.....and creep. We creep slower than I would think possible. So, I decide to lane-split. I know, I know, please no speeches. I really wanted to see if there was an accident. I'm thinking, there has GOT to be a reason for this. So, I split to the light. Nothing. I sit. I split again to the next light. Nothing. Then, traffic starts moving in a normal rush hourly manner. What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! ARGGGHHHHHH! Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed...and hot.... ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:40:43 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06408 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA20530 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:40:37 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:40:37 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DCC'" Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:40:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little >rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! >ARGGGHHHHHH! As a friend once observed during a light snow in Wiesbaden, Germany: "If it snowed every other day, they'd forget how to drive in snow on the day it didn't." Same rule applies here Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:42:14 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06484 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud78a (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01079; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008001beff7f$ddc61bb0$ac5d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , References: <3.0.1.32.19990914190426.006a9e7c@pop.mindspring.com> <00dd01beff09$91f69f00$1383a4d8@rdt> Subject: Re: Is it to Early? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:40:25 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I might show up on my new F4. The Anita's on 50 right? Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. To: ; James Hoofnagle Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Is it to Early? > I am interested. Last weekend I hooked up with three other sport bike > riders. I was on my 98 GSXR 750, Kevin rode his 99 CBR 900, Raz was on his > 99 ZX9R and Jim was on his 99 TLR1000. Needless to say, we had some > spirited riding!!! Most of it was done in Stafford and Spotsylvania > Counties on back roads. We rode aproximately 260 miles without incident. > Let me know what you propose for this Saturday. > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Hoofnagle > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:04 PM > Subject: Is it to Early? > > > > So, is it to early to start talking abiut a possible ride on sat. yet? > > Last weekend was so perfect I had to be ripped from my bike kicking and > > screaming like a 10 year old from the last ride at the amusement park. > > Meet at Anita's in Chantilly around 11:30-12:00. Decide on a basic > > direction (only slightly more defined than west) and go. > > James > > PS. I actually do know someone who did buy a pump shot gun for the > > CLACK-CLACK! noise. He hasn't had to test his theroy out yet, thankfully > > See Ya' > > James > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:43:13 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06502 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11RFGo-00075q-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:46 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28592 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 15 Sep 1999 09:41:42 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re:Wind blowing over bikes Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:49:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My old Hurricane 1K was blown over a couple of times in relatively mild storms (both on center and side stand with cover on). I put some new plastic on it one year just before hurricane season (makes sense eh). One was supposed to blow through so I bolted a 2x4 to the center stand and ran a rope through the front wheel to hold the center stand down. Talk about stable...it would hold my entire effort attempting to push the bike over from any angle. During the hurricane the bike didn't fall over, but was moved about 3 ft. from its original position. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:45:51 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06584 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud78a (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02801; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008801beff80$5fca9000$ac5d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: Subject: XX off Gallows Road/50... Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:44:03 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 During the past couple days I've seen a guy on a black CBRXX coming out of the office buildings on the inside of the beltway, right by Rt. 50 and Gallows Road. Is this anyone on the list? Wearing some kinda jacket, and a red/white/black helmet (maybe an RF800)??? Just wondering...either way, nice ride. Kirt 99F4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:51:43 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06663 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA18540 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:51:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150951.AA17236626@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ned Suesse We have started on a subject I am curious for people's opinion on- bike security. ------------------------------------------- My opinion on bike security it to own bikes that people don't want to steal. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:56:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06701 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:55:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199909150955.AA34079284@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Joe Schmoe , CC: Subject: Re: How about a gun thread X-Mailer: It looks like this is winding up to be another big blow-out. Please take your conversation off-list now. thank you, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:05:33 -0400 Yep, I was responding to your wickedly intellectual argument, which was "shoot everyone who does not agree with me". You are right, that one went way over my head. Hard to keep up with someone as bright as you. However, you are in good company with the "shoot those that disagree with me" argument. I think a short Austrian corporal by the name of Adolph perfected that technique in the 1940s (yes, after he confiscated many private firearms). If you would like to compare where I was educated and where I learned to use such strong arguments, go ahead Joe Schmoe. I would love to see your credentials. Mark PS: The country was founded on a complex issue involving taxation and tariffs (like most great revolutions, its was based on economics) NOT the right to bear arms. The right to bear arms was integral to our ability to effect a change of government since the majority of the fighting was done by citizen soldiers. If the country was 'founded' upon everything our forefathers put in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, it was also founded on the notion that ownership of fellow man was acceptable. To: Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington DC/C&L/US@Americas-US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Joe Schmoe Date: 09/14/99 04:06:18 PM GMT Subject: Re: How about a gun thread The same place you learned to use strong arguments of proven fact to debate a point.. er, wait.. you're just nit-picking, I'm sorry.. Hope I'm not talking over your head, though I suspect I am. On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow, that sounded intelligent. Where did you learn to spell like that? > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 09:57:51 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06791 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13203 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:46 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8836@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho w about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John points out: >Did you write that message while riding on your motorcycle? < my non-moto inflammatory message > Alas, though I would love to be riding, I have gone soft. Today I took, not just any cage, but the wagon--for shame. Yet, I just loved the riding I did last Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday (yesterday). Sunny delight!! Oh well, when I get one of those fancy-smancy rain get-ups, I will consider lousy weather riding again, but after 8 years straight of year round riding in any weather, I have had enough. By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around here anyway? I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but is there something better suited for street riding. Something usable for both summer and winter would be ideal. Grounded due to weather, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:04:37 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06944 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA23965 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05101; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies In-Reply-To: <199909150951.AA17236626@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > My opinion on bike security it to own bikes that people don't want to steal. > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar Hear, hear! Erik '80 CX500D "Das Beast" - with a bad stator, no less. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:08:42 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07039 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA26525 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud78a (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13832; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011e01beff83$8517f110$ac5d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <199909150951.AA17236626@piglet.toward.com> Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:06:35 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 hahaha... if you love the bike, that's all that matters. I unfortunately I had to have the latest and greatest and now I worry about it every night. Kirt 99 CBR 600F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 9:51 AM Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Ned Suesse > We have started on a subject I am curious for people's > opinion on- bike security. > ------------------------------------------- > > My opinion on bike security it to own bikes that people don't want to steal. > > > > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > -- > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:14:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07136 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16178 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03824 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-118-118.s118.tnt13.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.118.118]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA18302 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002d01beff63$66ba8ea0$8190fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: I just called Summit Point - I have paving info Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:16:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Got some of ya'lls attention didn't I? They are paving away - in the rain! They are on schedule and still expect to be done by Friday "so long as we don't get blown away". They are doing the track in 1/2 sections by width, like on the street. They are currently half way done as in they have completed one full lap of the track (minus 3-4) on one side of the track. They are beginning the other half now. I asked (three times) "will the track be ready for the weekend races? and the answer all three times was "it should be". So worse case we have a half width Summit ready to race. As a side note, I told her I was thinking of coming out to take some photos, as photos of Summit getting repaved would be more rare than an original copy of the bible, she laughed, but said the entire track area was closed, so unless someone has a helicopter . . . Jonathan Broga From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:20:56 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07308 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000014664; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:21:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 They're worse here! I think the bad driving and the pre-storm panic are just a bad case of Disaster Envy. We just don't get good natural disasters here. We don't get snow like they do up north. We don't get hurricanes like they do right on the coast. We don't get twisters like they do in Oklahoma. We don't get earthquakes like they do out west. So, when we get the prospect of some hurricane leftovers, or an inch of snow, people overreact. it's their own chance to participate in that great civic group activity, a game of Chicken Little! Of course I did put by bike in the shed, bring in the deck furniture, and buy ALL the toilet paper and bread at my local Giant. "Jordan, Michael" wrote: > >What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little >rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! >ARGGGHHHHHH! As a friend once observed during a light snow in Wiesbaden, Germany: "If it snowed every other day, they'd forget how to drive in snow on the day it didn't." Same rule applies here Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:23:01 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07346 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17099 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: boo hoo too much rain In-Reply-To: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8836@tralfaz.treev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Michael Jay wrote: > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around > here anyway? I use: an aerostich roadcrafter suit with a pvc crotch cover and normal gloves with dishwashing gloves over. For long bits in the rain I use a pvc rain suit by OSI. I have yet to find anything that will keep rain from coming in through the neck opening though... I've seen a thing called a helmet pelmet which is one of those reflective helmet bands with water proof (resistant) material that comes down and covers your neck. I haven't tried one out yet though. > I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but > is there something better suited for street riding. Snow mobile suits aren't generally waterproof unless you go to the trouble of making them so. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:24:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07356 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16252 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04182 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id JAA07364; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990915095527.00a4a740@132.147.168.1> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:58:58 -0400 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Cc: dc-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <852567ED.004A61F3.00@172.16.2.37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have to say, in all the places I've been, VA drivers have to be the biggest bunch of scardicats and rubberneckers. Never before have I seen traffic come to a dead stop on the middle of 95 because there's a family of bunnies on the side of the road... Don't laugh, it's true. Not to mention, no one looks behind them here!!! I've almost been sideswiped more times than I can count by people who think that because their directional is on, there just couldn't be anyone behind them! What's the deal around here!!! Ok, enough venting. At 09:26 AM 9/15/99 -0400, you wrote: >Ok, so the traffic on Route 7 is at a stand still. Complete stock still. No >one is moving. This is in the direction of Falls Church to Tysons, NOT the >other way. So, I figure, melting in my leathers, that there must be an >accident. >We creep.....and creep. We creep slower than I would think possible. So, I >decide to lane-split. I know, I know, please no speeches. I really wanted to >see if there was an accident. I'm thinking, there has GOT to be a reason for >this. So, I split to the light. Nothing. I sit. I split again to the next >light. Nothing. >Then, traffic starts moving in a normal rush hourly manner. > >What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little >rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! >ARGGGHHHHHH! > >Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed...and hot.... ; ) > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > ************************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:25:58 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07380 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000014499; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:26:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho w about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 I rarely ride to work, and especially not when it rains. My commute is a nice morning ride but a crappy evening ride ("wow, here I am stopped on 66 on my bike!"). I don't like to deal with rush hour drivers in the rain. I don't like to get all wet getting to and from work. I drive my truck home and then hop on the bike for a fun ride that doesn't involve battling it out with overcaffeinated SUV owners who don't understand the concept of traction. Sign me "ain't got nothin' to prove." Michael Jay wrote: Alas, though I would love to be riding, I have gone soft. Today I took, not just any cage, but the wagon--for shame. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:27:34 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07454 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915143236.26754.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:32:36 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho w about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) To: Michael Jay , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Michael Jay wrote: > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for > around > here anyway? Aerostich. Darien if you're really into the waterproof part. Roadcrafter for commuting all the time in any weather. I really like my one piece Roadcrafter with insulation. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:29:20 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07492 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:29:17 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000014889; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:30:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: anti-theft strategies Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Just another benefit of a CX!!!! Erik Schelzig wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > My opinion on bike security it to own bikes that people don't want to steal. > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar Hear, hear! Erik '80 CX500D "Das Beast" - with a bad stator, no less. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:34:32 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07612 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FI30033RUXTAO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:29:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA22394; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915142951.UBYE612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:29:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:27:11 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon In-reply-to: To: "Jordan, Michael" , "'DCC'" Message-id: <000e01beff86$65e52850$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal There may be some truth in this, but it's too simplistic. I'd guess most everyone (80%+) are just sitting in their cage mumbling something about the way people drive around here. They're all part of the same problem. It just takes a small percentage of weenies to screw up the semi-well orchestrated rush-hour rush most people are used to. Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years of American Motorcycling. Can't imagine blazing 90+mph in a pine-board velodrome, splinters flying up and present danger of sliding across the wood....ouch! Todd > -----Original Message----- > > >What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a > little > >rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! > >ARGGGHHHHHH! > > As a friend once observed during a light snow in Wiesbaden, Germany: > > "If it snowed every other day, they'd forget how to drive in snow > on the day > it didn't." > > Same rule applies here > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:56:07 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08054 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:55:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199909151055.AA2376925240@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Todd Peer Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Todd Peer Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:27:11 -0400 Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years of American Motorcycling. ------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, I found it by accident and ended up watching the whole show. Not bad. I'm looking forward to the next segment, whenever that one is. Maybe they will actually mention moto makers from Europe and Japan instead of just talking about Harley and Indian in the next show. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 10:59:07 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08129 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:58:49 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C748@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'johnwhiteside@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:59:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) You forgot the milk... remember when we have big storms around her you can't get any milk (for days) and the gas pumps start to line up too. Speaking of such, don't know how close you guys were following the storm but Lowes storm desk (http://www.gopbi.com/weather/storm/atlantic/floyd.html) was saying that people in the Bahamas were all lining up at the pumps before the storm... where did they think they were going to drive too? Glenn >Of course I did put by bike in the shed, bring in the deck furniture, and buy ALL >the toilet paper and bread at my local Giant. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:02:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09349 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16763 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08052 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:02:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199909151202.AA41091456@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Grant Heffernan I have to say, in all the places I've been, VA drivers have to be the biggest bunch of scardicats and rubberneckers. Never before have I seen traffic come to a dead stop on the middle of 95 because there's a family of bunnies on the side of the road... Don't laugh, it's true. Not to mention, no one looks behind them here!!! I've almost been sideswiped more times than I can count by people who think that because their directional is on, there just couldn't be anyone behind them! ----------------------------- True, indeed. I work hard to never stay beside someone. Either I hang back where they can't hit me if they make a sudden lane change, or I stay at least even with the driver (for visibility) if I can't stay ahead. It takes some moving around on the road, but it keeps me out of harm's way. Road-raging SUV drivers should be treated as traffic probes - let them zoom ahead to test the road traction, depth of water in flooded areas, etc. Then choose your best path based on what they do. It's like riding in the middle of a Mad Max movie, -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:16:28 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09588 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:15:33 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:54:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:53:49 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Down here, they can't drive East on a sunny morning. Unfortunately, this light sensitivity does translate into reponding when a traffic signal goes from red to green. In the rain, I think they just plain let go of the wheel . . . Joe richmond >>> - 9/15/99 9:26 AM >>> Ok, so the traffic on Route 7 is at a stand still. Complete stock still. No one is moving. This is in the direction of Falls Church to Tysons, NOT the other way. So, I figure, melting in my leathers, that there must be an accident. We creep.....and creep. We creep slower than I would think possible. So, I decide to lane-split. I know, I know, please no speeches. I really wanted to see if there was an accident. I'm thinking, there has GOT to be a reason for this. So, I split to the light. Nothing. I sit. I split again to the next light. Nothing. Then, traffic starts moving in a normal rush hourly manner. What IS IT with the way people drive around here!?? You would think a little rain was BLACK ICE the way people drive!!! ARGGGHHHHHH! Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed...and hot.... ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:32:01 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09870 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI4005NM0BHBQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:26:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA07907; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:24:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915162601.WEKX612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:26:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:23:21 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho wabout a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) In-reply-to: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8836@tralfaz.treev.com> To: Michael Jay , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001401beff96$a02f6330$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [mailto:mjay@XXXXXX] > > Oh well, when I get one of those fancy-smancy rain get-ups, > I will consider lousy weather riding again, but after > 8 years straight of year round riding in any weather, > I have had enough. And you call yourself a motorcyclist? ;-) > > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around > here anyway? I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but > is there something better suited for street riding. > Something usable for both summer and winter would be ideal. The AeroStitch and copycats are generally suitable for most wx. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:37:20 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09949 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FI400M1Y0SVVZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:36:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA21372 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915163629.WITP612@toddnt> for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:36:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:47 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon In-reply-to: <199909151055.AA2376925240@tidalwave.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001601beff98$158e1ee0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 10:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Todd Peer > Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Todd Peer > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:27:11 -0400 > > Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years > of American Motorcycling. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Yeah, I found it by accident and ended up watching the whole > show. Not bad. I'm looking forward to the next segment, whenever > that one is. > > Maybe they will actually mention moto makers from Europe and > Japan instead of just talking about Harley and Indian in the > next show. > > Dale They will. It's a program about American Motorcycling and the history, so naturally you're going to get alot of the original American made nostalgia up front. I think the next segment will include world motorcycle production on American tastes, attitudes etc, as well racing. I think it's next Tuesday. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:40:15 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09970 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI4007610SR6K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:36:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA26282; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:32:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990915163623.WIRV612@toddnt>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:36:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:33:43 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Riding to work at all costs Was: boo hoo too much rain In-reply-to: To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501beff98$13157dc0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX [mailto:johnwhiteside@XXXXXX] > > I rarely ride to work, and especially not when it rains. My > commute is a nice morning ride but a crappy evening ride ("wow, > here I am stopped on 66 on my bike!"). I don't like to deal with > rush hour drivers in the rain. I don't like to get all wet > getting to and from work. I drive my truck home and then hop on > the bike for a fun ride that doesn't involve battling it out with > overcaffeinated SUV owners who don't understand the concept of traction. > > Sign me "ain't got nothin' to prove." I'm certain other people on this list share your sentiments about getting to work. I know Glenn Dysart is like you. It's not about proving anything. Sounds like your work hours are either later/earlier than core, causing more traffic in the HOV lanes. Or maybe I66 just sucks. For me, straight shot down FFax Cty Pkwy onto I95 HOV for 15 miles. Typical commute time is 18 minutes, door to door. And as far as doing battle with cagers, it's good for you. "That which doesn't kill you..." and all that. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:44:20 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com ([192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10076 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:44:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567ED.005BE8BF ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:43:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567ED.005B569C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:43:50 -0400 Subject: The golden years of American Motorcycling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years of American Motorcycling. << Yes that was a good show. I loved the old guy who was telling his stories of past races. Great stories. Especially the one about the splinter from the board track that went through his foot and essentially fastened his foot to the bike. He couldn't take his foot off the peg after the race was over because of it. OUCH! Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 12:55:41 1999 Return-Path: stevied@XXXXXX Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10254 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (pppm7.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.188]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26891; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DFCED8.DF2D3997@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:52:40 -0400 From: Steve DiPietro Reply-To: stevied@XXXXXX Organization: n/a X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-DIAL (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" CC: "'DCC'" , dad1150@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Help needed in Baltimore References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5680@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, It's at: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Representative Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" wrote: > Anyone? Isn't there a Baltimore list? > > Please reply to DAD1150@XXXXXX > > Thanks, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling, VA > > >From: "John G. Gray" > >Reply-To: DAD1150@XXXXXX > >To: BRIT-IRON-L@XXXXXX > >Subject: Help needed in Baltimore > >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:12:50 EDT > > > >Is there anybody in the Baltimore, MD, that would be willing to help a > novice > >rider get started ??? If so PLEASE contact me off list. > > > >Thank you in advance....Gordon Gray > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 13:24:43 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10804 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:24:40 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA08492; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:24:33 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012142; Wed, 15 Sep 99 12:54:33 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI40095K1RHX7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567ED.005CBCC7 ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:52:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:14:19 -0400 Subject: New? R1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567ED.0053C075.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yamaha just released photos and info on it's "new" R1. It looks pretty much the same, with a lot of minor tweaks here and there. The rear bodywork looks a little strange to me - It looks like some really fat person sat on a '99 R1 and bent the subframe. The front end looks a little sleeker, though. http://www.yamahausa.com/mcnew/sport.html Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 13:25:42 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10818 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:25:01 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:24:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:37:05 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Ride In/The Rain Phenomenon -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Anyone watch the AMA special last night on SV? The golden years of American Motorcycling. Can't imagine blazing 90+mph in a pine-board velodrome, splinters flying up and present danger of sliding across the wood....ouch! Not to mention the bikes flying into the crowd! From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 13:38:24 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11086 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:38:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199909151338.AA14680734@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho X-Mailer: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [mailto:mjay@XXXXXX] > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around > here anyway? I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but > is there something better suited for street riding. > Something usable for both summer and winter would be ideal. I've worn my Aerostich 2-piece for year-round commuting for 4 years now, and am very pleased. For my commute (only 10 mi. each way now) the Aerostich, glove covers and boot covers keep me dry and keep the leather from getting soaked. On longer trips I carry a large rainsuit to put over the Aerostich, because if I have to ride all day in the rain, it's likely to spring a leak or two. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 13:55:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11418 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17573 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12678 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-118-118.s118.tnt13.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.118.118]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA09115 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001beff82$73854de0$8190fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Jupiter Sidecar Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:58:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 What the heck is a Jupiter Sidecar? Its sounds neat - are there any pictures anywhere online? Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 >Chris Norloff >Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar >-- > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:23:48 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13027 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990915192945.3788.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.181] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:29:45 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Flip side of the coin.. many years ago when the pinto was out, yet barely staying around, someone stole my mother's pinto! Of course I believe I read in the haynes manual of my fairmont that it used the same engine.. maybe someone wanted to restore a fairmont hehe. --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Now you're stepping into my territory.. noone on the list saw the > vehicle I > had when I was in this area first.. it was an 86 Jeep Wagoneer.. it > was such > a turd-bucket, that I left the windows down, doors unlocked, keys > in the > ignition, and title (signed!) sitting on the seat... it still had > to be > towed off (it did run, just not well). > > heh - me, owner of 'questionable' vehicles.. I've only blown up 5 > engines in > 10 years.. ;) > > Brian McCoy > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > When I owned my Buells,I just parked them somewhere with > > enough light to read the word 'Buell' on the tank. > > > > Hehehehe. I used that same tactics with my Z-28 Camaro, which > > without a doubt was the biggest heap-o-crap vehicle I have > > ever owned. I even left it unlocked - no takers. > > > > Bill > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:29:03 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13133 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 22:25:40 UT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:29 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Headlamp requirements. Message-ID: <19990915153016863-ae26632@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I know that this has been discussed to a point in the past but I just wanted to run this by the list... I'm planning on possibly constructing a dual headlamp configuration for my VFR (I absolutely hate the stock over-sized, over-weight assembly). There are two ways that I can go about doing this... a) I can try and locate a set of FZR 600 or early 900RR lamps (or whatever someone recommends... no Brian McCoy... I don't want/can't afford RC30 parts) and redo the fiberglass upper to accept the lamps, or b) I can buy some of those new projector-type or halogen type driving lights and mount those to the fairing. Anybody, a)know what the laws are and what I can possibly get away with or what I need to be worried about... I'm not against riding with really bright lights. In fact... I do most of my riding during the day with very limited travel at night. I was also thinking of wiring a non-stock type system to have one on as a low beam and another set as a high beam. b) Does anyone have any lights that I can experiment with? Any racers with take off parts that they would like possibly donate, sell, or let me borrow? Thanks! Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:41:41 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13356 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29762 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:41:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990915154000.01404d70@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:41:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies In-Reply-To: <19990915192945.3788.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 03:29 PM 9/15/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >Flip side of the coin.. many years ago when the pinto was out, >yet barely staying around, someone stole my mother's pinto! > >Of course I believe I read in the haynes manual of my fairmont >that it used the same engine.. maybe someone wanted to restore >a fairmont hehe. Hopefully someone rear-ended them during their joy ride. BOOM One less loser for the gene pool. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:46:22 1999 Return-Path: free@XXXXXX Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13585 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (free@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA11235 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How about a gun thread In-Reply-To: <199909150955.AA34079284@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > It looks like this is winding up to be another big blow-out. > > Please take your conversation off-list now. > Don't worry, I wasn't about to try and convince someone who's so obviously rooted in fantasy that they don't recognize fact from fiction. It'd be a waste of my time, other than to laugh at the wonderfully ignorant responces (as I have been doing already). Hrm, gun control.. isn't that just another way of disarming the nation so our corrupt politicians can do the same thing to us that Hitler and Castro did to the unwilling victims of their respective countries? From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 15:49:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13595 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA26817; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:49:08 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029873; Wed, 15 Sep 99 15:21:35 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI40013E8KW9J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567ED.006A37AD ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:20:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:19:38 -0400 Subject: Moto - AOL Instant Messenger To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567ED.006A34AB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I just managed to get hooked up to AOL Instant Messenger. If anyone else on the list is on AOLIM, drop me a line at ChrisVTR1000. Chris Weaver '98 (you guessed it) VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:12:32 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14065 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA29337 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:11:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:11:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Danville was Re: practice days In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Janet Gunn wrote: > I started racing the year AFTER they closed Danville (having worked > corners there, and been pit crew there for Ian for many years). > One of my regrets is never racing at Danville. > It would be GREAT if we could race there again- but I though it was > being turned into a "private" country club. It's a sorta racing/country club deal... if you want to be a private member (which from reading sounds like it might be cool if you have the cash). I believe George Mood mentioned at the last Summit race that WERA had already signed up for a club membership, which means that if the site becomes a reality (They are paving currently, but you know how these things sometimes don't work out) we'll be racing there - members of a racing org that is a member do not have to be members of VIR. I'm keeping my fingers crossed :) more info can be found at... http://www.virclub.com - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:22:06 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14233 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA29359 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:21:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Moto - AOL Instant Messenger In-Reply-To: <852567ED.006A34AB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well... there's something I never thought to post. If anyone ever wants to chat, you can get ahold of me on AIM as well, screenname: BryanRoach I'm pretty much on all day, everyday. ---- Brian Roach | Bug? What bug? Software Engineer | Oh that? That's a feature. Host Development | I'll be changing the implementation America Online, Inc | next week... On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I just managed to get hooked up to AOL Instant Messenger. If anyone else on > the list is on AOLIM, drop me a line at ChrisVTR1000. > > Chris Weaver > '98 (you guessed it) VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:26:02 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14247 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 23:22:38 UT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:24 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies Message-ID: <1999091516271761-b169658@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of nitrous. Sorry that I had to bring this up... a buddy and I were talking about it earlier. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies Author: mike@XXXXXX Date: 09/15/1999 3:41 PM At 03:29 PM 9/15/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >Flip side of the coin.. many years ago when the pinto was out, >yet barely staying around, someone stole my mother's pinto! > >Of course I believe I read in the haynes manual of my fairmont >that it used the same engine.. maybe someone wanted to restore >a fairmont hehe. Hopefully someone rear-ended them during their joy ride. BOOM One less loser for the gene pool. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:31:21 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14395 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-54.patriot.net [209.249.180.54]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29619; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:31:15 -0400 Message-ID: <37E000C9.660EF277@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:25:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Jay CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho w about a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) References: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8836@tralfaz.treev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snowmobile suits and gauntlet style snowmobile mittins are great for winter riding. I still have mine, although the days & nights of year-round riding are over fer me. I have to give my cages some exercise. Many moons ago a law officer pulled me over - at night - with the snow flying in the air and sorta beggining to stick to the road. He examined my permit and registration, did a few roadside boozer checks, then handed me back my papers and said I could go. Why did you stop me? I ask. He sez "I wanted to see if you were drunk or crazy. You're not drunk." I decided that might be a clue to take to the cage. Bill Michael Jay wrote: > > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around > here anyway? I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but > is there something better suited for street riding. > Something usable for both summer and winter would be ideal. > > Grounded due to weather, > Mike Jay > 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:35:54 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14483 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29938 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:35:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990915163258.01422db0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:35:10 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Troutman Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies In-Reply-To: <1999091516271761-b169658@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:24 PM 9/15/99 , Tom Zell wrote: >Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl >Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good >example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of >nitrous. Is that $50 for the Pinto, and $6950 in a 454, Ram-Air, Holly 4-barrel, glass packs and a nitrous kit? Oh, I forgot tires..... At the end of racing the fictitious Pinto...if he won...I would still have to laugh and shake my head...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org le contenu est roi From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:38:18 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14501 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-54.patriot.net [209.249.180.54]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA30486; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:38:11 -0400 Message-ID: <37E00269.8E2F9B9A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:32:42 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding to work at all costs Was: boo hoo too much rain References: <001501beff98$13157dc0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ride to work quite often - Crystal City. But I'm self employed and the search library is only a chunk of the job. 5 hours max. Go in after rush hour, blow outta there before it gets nasty. Bill Todd Peer wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX [mailto:johnwhiteside@XXXXXX] > > > > I rarely ride to work, and especially not when it rains. My > > commute is a nice morning ride but a crappy evening ride ("wow, > > here I am stopped on 66 on my bike!"). I don't like to deal with > > rush hour drivers in the rain. I don't like to get all wet > > getting to and from work. I drive my truck home and then hop on > > the bike for a fun ride that doesn't involve battling it out with > > overcaffeinated SUV owners who don't understand the concept of traction. > > > > Sign me "ain't got nothin' to prove." > > I'm certain other people on this list share your sentiments about getting to > work. I know Glenn Dysart is like you. > > It's not about proving anything. Sounds like your work hours are either > later/earlier than core, causing more traffic in the HOV lanes. Or maybe > I66 just sucks. > > For me, straight shot down FFax Cty Pkwy onto I95 HOV for 15 miles. Typical > commute time is 18 minutes, door to door. And as far as doing battle with > cagers, it's good for you. "That which doesn't kill you..." and all that. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:48:30 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14687 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:48:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Moto - AOL Instant Messenger Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:48:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I'm also on AIM - listed under V4MOFO - logged on almost straight through from 7am-10pm daily.. (no, I have no life) I'm also on ICQ under 22986134 Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > I just managed to get hooked up to AOL Instant Messenger. If > anyone else on > the list is on AOLIM, drop me a line at ChrisVTR1000. > > Chris Weaver > '98 (you guessed it) VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other > use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 16:59:44 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14844 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:59:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567ED.00739037 ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:02:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Tom Zell" cc: "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-ID: <852567ED.00738F8D.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:56:08 -0400 Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You're even scaring me. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Tom Zell" on 09/15/99 04:24:00 PM To: "mike@XXXXXX", "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of nitrous. Sorry that I had to bring this up... a buddy and I were talking about it earlier. Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 17:48:55 1999 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15767 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alecto.bittwiddlers.com (209-122-203-152.s406.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.203.152]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA11546 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4648 invoked by uid 48381); 15 Sep 1999 21:48:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:48:47 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bikes and the metro Message-ID: <19990915174847.A4609@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i How friendly is the DC metro system for motorcycles? I.e., are there special parking spaces in the lots, are there any special rules I should be aware of? Specifically I'm talking about the Springfield station. I'm curious because I have to head up to DC for a couple of things in a couple of days and I really don't like to drive in DC itself. -- Matthew Harrell The perversity of the universe Bit Twiddlers, Inc. tends to a maximum. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 18:03:03 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16066 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA29436; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:01:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Matthew Harrell cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro In-Reply-To: <19990915174847.A4609@bittwiddlers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not sure about springfield but many stations offer free motorcycle parking up near the front (west falls church, for example). - Brian ---- Brian Roach | Bug? What bug? Software Engineer | Oh that? That's a feature. Host Development | I'll be changing the implementation America Online, Inc | next week... On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Matthew Harrell wrote: > > How friendly is the DC metro system for motorcycles? I.e., are there special > parking spaces in the lots, are there any special rules I should be aware of? > Specifically I'm talking about the Springfield station. I'm curious because I > have to head up to DC for a couple of things in a couple of days and I really > don't like to drive in DC itself. > > -- > Matthew Harrell The perversity of the universe > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. tends to a maximum. > mharrell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 18:28:29 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16501 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-39.patriot.net [209.249.180.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11008; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: <37E01C3C.FBFB4E83@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:22:53 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX CC: Tom Zell , "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies References: <852567ED.00738F8D.00@172.16.2.37> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you want scarey? Shoulda been round when my buddy wedged a full-race 350 into a Vega and fed it giggle-gas. Bill Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > You're even scaring me. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > "Tom Zell" on 09/15/99 04:24:00 PM > > To: "mike@XXXXXX", > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies > > Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl > Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good > example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of > nitrous. > > Sorry that I had to bring this up... a buddy and I were talking about it > earlier. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 21:40:10 1999 Return-Path: lmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19778 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.247]) by mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:39:23 -0400 Message-ID: <37E04AFB.A8C71E4F@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:42:19 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro References: <19990915174847.A4609@bittwiddlers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know about Springfield, but I looked for marked bike spots in Dunn Loring and couldn't find them, so I parked in a regular spot. When I went to pay, the attendant told me it was free and had me ride up on the sidewalk to avoid the toll gate. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 Matthew Harrell wrote: > How friendly is the DC metro system for motorcycles? I.e., are there special > parking spaces in the lots, are there any special rules I should be aware of? > Specifically I'm talking about the Springfield station. I'm curious because I > have to head up to DC for a couple of things in a couple of days and I really > don't like to drive in DC itself. > > -- > Matthew Harrell The perversity of the universe > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. tends to a maximum. > mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 21:40:09 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19777 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20828; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002a01beffe4$92902860$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , "Troutman" References: <4.2.0.58.19990915163258.01422db0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:41:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Saw one in hot rod using a Thunderbird turbo setup (thye use the same engine) and a 150hp shot of nitrous. The car is outfitted with a full cage and competes (and whoops ass) in Hot Rod's street car racing series. No joke... the beauty of it though is that the guy drives it too and from the track! They aren't that bad... well maybe they are... but this car whoops butt! Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 4:35 PM Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies > At 04:24 PM 9/15/99 , Tom Zell wrote: > >Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl > >Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good > >example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of > >nitrous. > > Is that $50 for the Pinto, and $6950 in a 454, Ram-Air, Holly 4-barrel, > glass packs and a nitrous kit? Oh, I forgot tires..... > > At the end of racing the fictitious Pinto...if he won...I would still have > to laugh and shake my head...... > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > le contenu est roi > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 21:43:28 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19862 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA23001; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002d01beffe5$064a9f60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Bill Huson" , Cc: "Tom Zell" , , References: <852567ED.00738F8D.00@172.16.2.37> <37E01C3C.FBFB4E83@patriot.net> Subject: Was: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:44:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lenzy who is on this list (my best man) had a Vega with a nice running 355 in it. Too bad that it ate the rearend up. He should have never gotten rid of it. The Vega (even though a piece of royal crap with the stock drivetrain) can be a real nasty race car and it's built fairly well (known quite a few folks who street raced them back in the day). Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Cc: Tom Zell ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 6:22 PM Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies > you want scarey? Shoulda been round when my buddy wedged a full-race 350 into a > Vega and fed it giggle-gas. > > Bill > > Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > You're even scaring me. > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > "Tom Zell" on 09/15/99 04:24:00 PM > > > > To: "mike@XXXXXX", > > "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > > Subject: Re:RE: anti-theft strategies > > > > Hey! Pintos aren't that bad.... how would you like to meet up with a 4-cyl > > Pinto that does 10's in the quarter?? I think you can put together a good > > example of one for about $7k using all Ford parts and a little squeeze of > > nitrous. > > > > Sorry that I had to bring this up... a buddy and I were talking about it > > earlier. > > > > Tom > > '86 VFR750 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:03:55 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20159 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FI4006GCR1L2T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:03:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA27206; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:02:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.159]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990916020319.CCOK28646@[166.44.166.159]>; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:03:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:00:46 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? In-reply-to: <002d01beffe5$064a9f60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> To: Thomas and Jeannette , Bill Huson , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Cc: Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000701beffe7$4a86d070$9fa62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas and Jeannette [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] > > > Lenzy who is on this list (my best man) had a Vega with a nice running 355 > in it. Too bad that it ate the rearend up. He should have never gotten > rid of it. The Vega (even though a piece of royal crap with the stock > drivetrain) can be a real nasty race car and it's built fairly well (known > quite a few folks who street raced them back in the day). > > Tom > '86 VFR750 Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:12:48 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20337 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-39.patriot.net [209.249.180.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA31393; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:09:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37E04FFB.586CAE14@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:03:40 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas and Jeannette CC: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? References: <852567ED.00738F8D.00@172.16.2.37> <37E01C3C.FBFB4E83@patriot.net> <002d01beffe5$064a9f60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This dude had a racing duty rear with a shortened axle so he could mount really wide slicks on it. Methinks the only *stock* parts was the sheet metal. Bill Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > Lenzy who is on this list (my best man) had a Vega with a nice running 355 > in it. Too bad that it ate the rearend up. He should have never gotten > rid of it. The Vega (even though a piece of royal crap with the stock > drivetrain) can be a real nasty race car and it's built fairly well (known > quite a few folks who street raced them back in the day). > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:29:32 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20646 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916022917.3118.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:29:17 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Gas in engine block To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Randy... Forgot to reply to this one last night.... Fromt eh GSXR list, this is an occasional suzuki problem (especially with the ram air models being hauled on a trailer) A float will stick and fill the cylinder with gas...Just take out the plug on that cylinder and turn over the motor (with the plug removed as well :)) With the ram air models, Trailering it with the ducts open can overpressurize the airboz and push gas through the carbs and into the cylinder as well.. Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:31:48 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20759 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-39.patriot.net [209.249.180.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA00850; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <37E054F9.90C0C514@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:24:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Thomas and Jeannette , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? References: <000701beffe7$4a86d070$9fa62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You perv! Had me a `58 Mopar ragtop. My bride-to-be made me sell my fine vehicle because she claimed she could sense the aura of all the virgins who had been comprimised in said car. I denied it all with my most innocent experssion, which didn't fool her a bit. The downside of a small college - no secrets. Bill Todd Peer wrote: > Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved > the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 22:35:35 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20906 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916023713.13300.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:37:13 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Trailers.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glenn, I've seen the same thing at several dealerships.. Manuals are rated for lower towing capacity than automatics.... dunno why.. never really gave it a thought...I prefer standards myself, but it seems near impossible to get a 4x4 with the good options on it but still retain standard.. unless you custom order of course.. and I ain't that rich :) CT === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 15 23:23:49 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21862 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA23112; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501befff3$05481b20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Bill Huson" , "Todd Peer" Cc: , "Tom Zell" , , References: <000701beffe7$4a86d070$9fa62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> <37E054F9.90C0C514@patriot.net> Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:24:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 LOL!!! Would have loved to have that car though. Tom <--- a sucker for old Mopars ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Todd Peer Cc: Thomas and Jeannette ; ; Tom Zell ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 10:24 PM Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? > You perv! Had me a `58 Mopar ragtop. My bride-to-be made me sell my fine vehicle > because she claimed she could sense the aura of all the virgins who had been > comprimised in said car. I denied it all with my most innocent experssion, which > didn't fool her a bit. The downside of a small college - no secrets. > > Bill > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved > > the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". > > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 00:16:07 1999 Return-Path: ltweed@XXXXXX Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22996 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ltweed@XXXXXX) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ELLZZS4N; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:13:24 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:59:30 -0400 Subject: Trailering was.Re: Trailers.. Message-ID: <19990916.001135.-951617.0.ltweed@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-7,9,11-13,23,27-29 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Louis E Tweed > that if automatics were so great for towing loads that tractor > trailers would have them. Actually they do have them. My father just ordered his new truck and it has an automatic (really semi-automatic more like a auto-stick) the transmision cost ~15K$ Yikes. > >vehicles are trucks with 3.5 rear axle ratios for towing, and > automatic. Sticks can't tow as much gross wieght, as per OEM specs. Standard axle > ratios are also limited as they're set up for econo-blasting and kind of come up > gasping with a load behind it. 3.5's are not a low gear ratio for trucks. More in the center of the available range. 3.7's or 4.0's are usually considered lower gear ratios so that isn't why your trucks can handle it. An automatic transmision usually has higher towing capacity listings from OEM manufactors. Except from Ford who specificly says you should not tow anything with their automatic transmision trucks. Several contractors I work with have found this out the hard way and are now purchasing new trucks to tow their trailers. One reason is Automatic transimisions create their own low gears by using hydraulic pressure to slip clutches allowing the engine to reach up into the power band before engaging. But from what I have seen so far the person who started this thread wasn't looking for a truck, they were looking for a trailer. And any full size pickup should be able to pull a 7'x14' enclosed trailer with two bikes or a car in it. Louis P.S. The new Toyota Tundra looks like a nice truck. I would have to look pretty hard at them if I needed another truck right now. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 05:32:45 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA29000 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id iCWO5HcUw_ (3861); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:32:04 EDT Subject: Re: Aprillia Scooter To: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/15/99 10:21:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, k_d_mueller@XXXXXX writes: << The manual says it has a Dell'orto SHA 14/12.. so it's probably "unrestricted". but is there anything i can do? i.e. cheap tricks to make it even less unrestricted >> Well, a 14 or 12 size is a small "legal" carburetor for a 50cc. My Italjet street bike had a 19 size while my Gori 50cc MX racebike had a 21 on it. I would put a bigger carb on it based on how it is ported. If it is ported like a "legal" bike I wouldn't go bigger than a 17 size carb. If Aprilia sells it with race porting and relies on the carb and restrictor in the manifold to keep it legal I would go up to a 19 size carb. Cosmopolitan Motors sells Dell'Ortos and they are on the web. The only other thing is to buy a "Pollini" hop-up kit for it. These kits usually include a ported cylinder, domed piston/rings and head. Click here: Polini S.p.A. - Motorbikes and motorcycles special parts http://www.polini.com/flash3.html Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 05:47:13 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA29235 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:47:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2DDP0RrWkz (3861) for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397edba7.2512166a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:46:18 EDT Subject: Motociclismo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Contrary to what Cycle World claims, Motociclismo which began printing in 1914 is the world's most widely distributed motorcycle magazine. On September 15th they opened their first website. While it is in Italian it does have alot of pictures and a "news" section that is in English. Motociclismo usually scoops everyone on news so you can get advance info on new bikes, mergers/acquisitions etc. Try it. Click here: motociclismo Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 07:26:18 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00751 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916112528.8585.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.19.179] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:25:28 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro To: Matthew Harrell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > How friendly is the DC metro system for motorcycles? I.e., are there special > parking spaces in the lots, are there any special rules I should be aware of? > Specifically I'm talking about the Springfield station. I'm curious because > I have to head up to DC for a couple of things in a couple of days and I > really don't like to drive in DC itself. They are pretty friendly. Most metro stations with parking lots have motorcycle parking. Usually it's located near the "Kiss and Ride" or the metered short parking, not in the main parking lot itself. Sometimes it might take a little effort to find. The spaces usually have a little sign with a picture of a motorcycle that looks almost like a bicycle. you said you were going to the Springfield station, I have used their motorcycle parking a few times so can verify it exists there. When I went to the New Carrollton station last week, not only did they have motorcycle parking, but at each "slot" they had a metal rack bolted into the ground connected to a heavy chain, so I was able to use my Kryponite lock and connect the bike to the chain. I don't know if this is available at all the stations with motorcycle parking, and I don't remember seeing it at Springfield, but it sure felt nice to use!! Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 07:26:37 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00755 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA22043 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA26328; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5687@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: RIP Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:25:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like a great lady. http://www.ironbutt.com/ibr/99/epilog.html Rich '78 Triumph '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 07:28:45 1999 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00844 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alecto.bittwiddlers.com (216-164-129-195.s449.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.129.195]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA14257 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20168 invoked by uid 48381); 16 Sep 1999 11:28:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:28:31 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro Message-ID: <19990916072831.A20158@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i : They are pretty friendly. Most metro stations with parking lots have : motorcycle parking. Usually it's located near the "Kiss and Ride" or the : metered short parking, not in the main parking lot itself. Sometimes it might : take a little effort to find. The spaces usually have a little sign with a : picture of a motorcycle that looks almost like a bicycle. you said you were : going to the Springfield station, I have used their motorcycle parking a few : times so can verify it exists there. Great! Everyone - thanks for the information. I'll have to start taking advantage of it more frequently if that's the case. -- Matthew Harrell You're just jealous because the Bit Twiddlers, Inc. voices only talk to me. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 07:56:21 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01225 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id HAA0000017639; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:57:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding in the Rain Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 OK, so who rode to work *today*? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 08:28:15 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01776 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10990 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro In-Reply-To: <19990916112528.8585.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > When I went to the New Carrollton station last week, not only did they > have motorcycle parking, but at each "slot" they had a metal rack > bolted into the ground connected to a heavy chain, so I was able to use > my Kryponite lock and connect the bike to the chain. I don't know if > this is available at all the stations with motorcycle parking, and I > don't remember seeing it at Springfield, but it sure felt nice to use!! I would say this is essential for that station. I don't know what the stats are now but just a few years ago they were having more than one car a week stolen there, on average. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 08:53:48 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02182 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm2a-103.his.com [216.200.82.103]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10974; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990916084522.00906490@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:45:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: trailer for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Someone was looking for a trailer. Team Charm is selling our flat bed trailer. It is currently at Rich's house in VA. It has a 2k load cap, single axle, pivoting center 8x10 flatbed. No rust, but the wooden floor rotted away & is being replaced. We used to have it covered, it was the red barn tailer (see http://www.his.com/~harris/trail1.jpg and http://www.his.com/~harris/trail2.jpg) & graffitti trailer. We got rid of the covering some time ago. Anyway, Rich is in the process of rebuilding it for sale. If someone needs a trailer this is a good one and if you contact Rich you can either pick it up as for cheap or specify how it is rebuilt for a little more. Rich is at sturges@XXXXXX. If you act now, for just a little more money is can come pre-loaded with all the EX500 parts you would need for a complete bike to go racing...:-) I will be up at Summit Point this weekend. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:01:36 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02592 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11RbA2-0007Lz-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:01:14 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24485; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 16 Sep 1999 09:00:07 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: , Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:08:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas and Jeannette [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] > > > Lenzy who is on this list (my best man) had a Vega with a nice running 355 > in it. Too bad that it ate the rearend up. He should have never gotten > rid of it. The Vega (even though a piece of royal crap with the stock > drivetrain) can be a real nasty race car and it's built fairly well (known > quite a few folks who street raced them back in the day). > > Tom > '86 VFR750 Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". Todd My '75 station wagon had quite the opposite effect. It scared off the females, and the mosquitos. "I'll take a quart of oil and $5 of gas please" The cool thing was you could scare the crap out of passengers by taking corners fast. Dragging a footpeg is nothing compared to dragging a front bumper. Looking up at the passenger (yes, up in a right turn) you could see some serious fear in their face. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:06:24 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02759 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916131506.26191.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:15:06 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did. I didn't see any other bikes this morning. I did get a slight leak in the usual place on the 'stich this AM. I'll have to be a little more careful going home. Leon. --- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > OK, so who rode to work *today*? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:21:31 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03197 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11RbTb-0000Mb-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:21:27 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29235; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 16 Sep 1999 09:20:17 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Trailering was.Re: Trailers.. Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:28:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal *** Warning, non-moto (unless you tow big trailers) *** -- Louis Wrote ---- so that isn't why your trucks can handle it. An automatic transmision usually has higher towing capacity listings from OEM manufactors. Except from Ford who specificly says you should not tow anything with their automatic transmision trucks. Several contractors I work with have found this out the hard way and are now purchasing new trucks to tow their Don't know where you got your info, but it is very much bogus. Ford specifically lowers their towing capacity (by almost half) on their manual transmissions. Unless you fork out $40K+ for a Super Duty, the automatics are all much stronger for towing than their manual counterparts. In the light duty F150/250 line, the 5-spd is made by Mazda and is the same tranny used in the explorer. I special ordered my truck to be as light duty as possible because heavy duty parts cost $ in the long run (and the auto costing $1200 more at purchase time). I sorta wish I hadn't gotten the POS manual (as it is known on the F150 list). BTW, the F150 list has nothing but positive things to say about towing with the automatic. Some of those guys tow some serious 5th wheel trailers. Bottom line is, if you want to tow some weight, get a transmission cooler. Ford or not. All manufacturers include them in the towing packages. Also, don't use the overdrive. That is the part of the auto that uses some form of clutch to slip between gears and will constantly hunt while pulling a trailer. That will raise tranny temps and heat is what kills an automatic while towing. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:23:43 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03229 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EE.0049A504 ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:24:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Todd Peer cc: Thomas and Jeannette , Bill Huson , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EE.0049A2A8.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:20:12 -0400 Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ask Brian about his new love mobile! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Todd Peer on 09/15/99 10:00:46 PM To: Thomas and Jeannette , Bill Huson , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX cc: Tom Zell , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:28:07 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03307 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:28:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EE.004A0D51 ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:28:50 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EE.004A0C91.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:24:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I didn't, and I'm always riding...although I could've, it wasn't too bad out there. The hubby stayed home so I could take the car. Nice job he has, eh? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX on 09/16/99 07:57:25 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Riding in the Rain OK, so who rode to work *today*? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 09:51:31 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03710 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud78a (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18211 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005801bf004a$5226fd10$ac5d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:49:38 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Not me...reports of possible 40-70 mph winds this evening kind of put a damper on my riding today. I snuck my new F4 into the local banks parking garage. Hopefully they won't find it. Better paying a parking fine, instead of for new plastics (or worse) for a knocked over bike. Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 7:57 AM Subject: Riding in the Rain > OK, so who rode to work *today*? > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 10:03:50 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03885 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-39.patriot.net [209.249.180.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10433; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37E0F76B.7E4CF567@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:58:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: ltweed@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailering was.Re: Trailers.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay St. Peter wrote: > *** Warning, non-moto (unless you tow big trailers) *** > . All manufacturers include them in the towing packages. Also, > don't use the overdrive. That is the part of the auto that uses some form > of clutch to slip between gears and will constantly hunt while pulling a > trailer. That will raise tranny temps and heat is what kills an automatic > while towing. This is true for Chevys. I guess Fords if you say so. Dodges say to delete the OD if the constant in/out shifting annoys you. I usually punch it out anytime I'm in hills and let it go OD on the coastal flats. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 10:38:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04469 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23808 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17008 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id KAA12123 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id KAA01297; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:38:11 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0245AB0F@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Camaro Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:39:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain <> That's weird. My cousin owned an IROC and lives around Columbia MD and had it stolen TWICE. The cops clocked the car at 140 during one stolen run . . . John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 10:48:15 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04661 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990916144919.22066.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:49:19 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I rode in to find cars, emboldened by the absence of motorcycles, had taken over the motorcycle-only parking. Sean Sullivan --- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > OK, so who rode to work *today*? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 11:04:47 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04962 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.67] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6E8960122; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:04:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37E1065D.F604F894@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:01:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK, so who rode to work *today*? I'm out sick today... :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - BugSlayer II - BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) - GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 11:42:48 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05712 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:41:13 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C78D@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Bill Huson'" , "Jay St. Peter" Cc: ltweed@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Trailering was.Re: Trailers.. Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:37:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Exactly, becasue unlike one of the previous posts where someone said (it might have been you) "automatics KNOW when to shift" they don't when to shift and they are a big hassle IMO especially when towing because they are constantly shifting. Same with off roading... its simple to overheat an automatic when 4wheelin because if you don't put it in L or 2 its always shifting (don't ask me how I know). Glenn >This is true for Chevys. I guess Fords if you say so. Dodges say to delete the >OD if the constant in/out shifting annoys you. I usually punch it out anytime >I'm in hills and let it go OD on the coastal flats. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 12:19:25 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06368 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA24985 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:19:17 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:02:08 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF003B.4CCF7CC0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:02:06 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay: Not a Ford Country Sedan like mine? I found that mine, too was a fine motoring experience. Nothing beat that broad expanse of brown vinyl that could squeeze 8 acquaintances or 16 really good friends. It also ended up carrying my first moto (more times than I cared) a Honda SL100 back from the remote location where it had chosen to expire. My friend customized the interior by failing to notice the brake handle catching the headliner while mounting it in the back and then proceeding to slide it forward several feet. Although my vehicle also was capable of reproducing NASCAR type lean angles without the benefit of Daytona's banking, the falling headliner discreetly hid the frozen visage of stark terror that often filled my back seat. The custom interior was further refined by a family member leaving a window open one night so a neighborhood cat could crawl in and use the back seat for an outhouse; few friends seemed to beg me for rides after that, but if you left all the windows open, it wasn't too bad. That big vinyl dash, in whatever junkyard it may now be, still has the finely reproduced fingerprints from one of my buddy clutching it for survival. That 400 cubic inch big block Hoovered every bit of gas money I could conjure up, but it was worth it. Everyone admired my Krylon applied custom exterior. I must say that the suspension-by-Slinky was great over some of the rolling hills in my neighborhood, too. The only maintenance I ever did was clean the ashtray and replace the muffler I once left implanted in a speed bump. I'd like to have it today, not only would it make a decent bike hauler, but I'd get back my Boston 8-track tape I left in it. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane AMA 663626 Annandale, VA ----Original Message----- From: Jay St. Peter [SMTP:jay.stpeter@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:08 PM To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; TZell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: anti-theft strategies, Now: Dangerous cars? > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas and Jeannette [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] > > > Lenzy who is on this list (my best man) had a Vega with a nice running 355 > in it. Too bad that it ate the rearend up. He should have never gotten > rid of it. The Vega (even though a piece of royal crap with the stock > drivetrain) can be a real nasty race car and it's built fairly well (known > quite a few folks who street raced them back in the day). > > Tom > '86 VFR750 Royal Crap or NOT, my '73 GT station wagon got me lay'd o - plenty. I loved the styling and convenience of, "camp where you R". Todd My '75 station wagon had quite the opposite effect. It scared off the females, and the mosquitos. "I'll take a quart of oil and $5 of gas please" The cool thing was you could scare the crap out of passengers by taking corners fast. Dragging a footpeg is nothing compared to dragging a front bumper. Looking up at the passenger (yes, up in a right turn) you could see some serious fear in their face. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 13:42:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07906 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25450 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24107 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02091 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:42:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990916134114.01401a80@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:42:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Slow Film - pics here Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable God, it took me 3 years to kill a roll of film in my junk camera. The=20 first two pics are from the first game at Redskins Stadium...the last are=20 from this past Sunday! ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/leesburg/ These are 4 pics from the Leesburg Poker Run this summer. Enjoy. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 13:49:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08033 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25501 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24408 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id NAA13713 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990916135039.00a524e0@132.147.168.1> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:51:37 -0400 To: dc-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: danny Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Calling Danny Thompson... It's Grant. I lost your email address, so if you could send it to me I'll keep you apprised of things. ************************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 fax: (703) 715-8750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 21:01:18 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14756 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:01:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA09162 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nEAIjesPv_ (4557); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3a10ec78.2512b07a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:43:38 EDT Subject: Re: Motociclismo To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/16/99 4:01:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << GREAT magazine - I read it every month when I was in Italy >> Glad to hear you know the mag. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 21:01:20 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14759 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA06256 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA13435 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:01:01 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:01:01 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motociclismo Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:01:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Contrary to what Cycle World claims, Motociclismo which began printing in >1914 is the world's most widely distributed motorcycle magazine. GREAT magazine - I read it every month when I was in Italy If you ever needed a reason to learn Italian, this is it. Thaks for the URL, Fred Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 21:49:00 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16486 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-129-230.s484.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.129.230]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03145; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:48:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990916214606.00bda6a0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:47:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Flat Tire Derails Motorcycle Speed Record Attempt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Flat Tire Derails Motorcycle Speed Record Attempt By James Nelson BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS, Utah (Reuters) - A flat tire at 330 miles per hour (528 kph) prevented a British rider from setting a new world motorcycle speed record Wednesday, leaving just three days for the team to achieve its goal. Team coordinator Malcolm Pitwood said the high-tech Gillete MACH3 Challenger blew a rear tire during a morning run across the northern Utah salt flats, but that rider Richard Brown of Great Britain was unhurt. ``The rider is safe, the vehicle stayed upright and was brought to a complete, safe halt,'' Pitwood said. The motorcycle land speed record is held by American DaveCampos who set a mark of 322.15 miles per hour (518.44 kph) in 1990 on a Harley Davidson. Brown, 34, who both designed and built the space-age British motorcycle, has been attempting to break that record since Sept 10th but has been hampered by windy weather conditions. Officials, fearing that wind could make the two-wheeled rocket-bike uncontrollable, have held off on several attempts. Their permit to use the vast salt flats expires Sept. 18. Brown's motorcycle is designed to reach a peak speed of 500 miles per hour (805 kph) with its three rockets, but for the current round of speed tests only two of the rockets are being used. To ride the vehicle, Brown is strapped in with a harness, lies back and is surrounded by a roll-over cage. He views the track, as well as digital information on his vehicle, in a display screen on the steering wheel. During the run Wednesday which resulted in the flat tire, the motorcycle was officially timed at 330.637 mph (531.994 kph) in the measured mile. But in order to break the official record, a second run within two hours would have been necessary to achieve an overall record-setting average. The high-velocity cycle uses drag parachutes to slow down following each run. Once the vehicle has been slowed a rear brake continues to slow the bike to a complete standstill. While Wednesday's flat tire left some team members shaken, Brown himself has vowed to keep riding until the record falls. ``The danger is an inherent part of what I'm doing,'' Brown said earlier this week. ``But trying to understand the science of it all is part of the appeal. And by understanding the science, of course, I believe that we will reduce the danger to an acceptable level,'' he said. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org MOE: You go through life, you try to be nice to people you struggle to resist the urge to punch in the face, and for what? For some pimply little puke to treat you like dirt unless you're on a team. Well, I'm better than dirt...well, most kinds of dirt. I mean, not that fancy store-bought dirt. That stuff's loaded with nutrients. I can't compete with that stuff. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 16 22:34:39 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17559 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA06992 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990917023357.16305.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:33:57 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: WERA final standings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well folks, the WERA Northeast region is final and points have been tallied... even though I missed a lot of early races and crashed out of the last two I ended up doing fairly well. 4th place in B Production 3rd place in B Superbike (woohoo!!) and 5th place in Formula 1 Ironically, Formula 1 was the class I stood a very good chance of winning, but when all of the folks near the top of the food chain crash out of a race and then miss the next one (double points) it lets other folks catch ya in a hurry...oh well.. I'm not complaining one bit at all. Next season it'll be white plates for me and thrown right back into the learning process again, and hopefully getting faster following some of those shit hot fast experts out there :) Although, if all goes well, I'll be getting my novice GLRRA license this weekend so I can sandbag a bit there he he he :) Hope this didn't sound too gloatful... I'm just trying to share my happiness with all my DCC friends.... Collin (who still has to start some homework due tomorrow :)) === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 08:31:13 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28832 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id IAA12715; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990917083221.007c29a0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:32:21 -0400 To: Matthew Harrell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: Bikes and the metro In-Reply-To: <19990916072831.A20158@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >: They are pretty friendly. Most metro stations with parking lots have >: motorcycle parking. I agree. Most Metro stations do have good bike parking, I am quite familiar with the entire red line on the Shady Grove side. I have also returned to my bike after a long day to discover friendly notes asking me if I want to ride sometime written by Metro Police officers thus leaving me to conclude that someone is watching my bike while I am gone. Just a note, Friendship Heights Metro and Bethesda Metro do not have bike parking but there are some really good places very close to both stations to leave a bike for a day. >Great! Everyone - thanks for the information. I'll have to start taking >advantage of it more frequently if that's the case. > >-- > Matthew Harrell You're just jealous because the > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. voices only talk to me. > mharrell@XXXXXX > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 08:33:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28842 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:33:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199909170833.AA62325062@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Rubber Galoshes X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Todd Peer You are one person I know that uses these. Where did you get them? Where can one get them to fit over hiking boots? ------------------------------ I'll cc this to the list in case anyone else is interested. I use boot covers by TourMaster. They're black coated cloth, that leave the sole of my boot exposed. There's a velcro and snap closure up one side, and a strap under my boot. The boot toe fits into a short toe of the boot cover that keeps the cover in place. The covers are rather shapeless, but do the job well. The only place they wear is that small "toe" under the toe of my boot - it doesn't take much walking before that cloth is ragged. I've never been able to actually waterproof leather boots, so I just put some "waterproofing" on them regularly to slow down the rate they absorb water. I've tried Snoseal, Aquaseal, Nikwax, RedWing boot oil, and many others. I've used Totes boots before, but have problems getting them large enough to go over my boots. Also, I had to powder them to slip them over my riding boots, and I'd end up doing the one-legged hop if I had to don them beside the road. I tried Hopnel rain gators, but they leaked water so bad they weren't worth even putting them on. I've seen boot covers that cover the entire boot, including the sole, and have no desire to try them. As slippery as roads get during a rainstorm, I don't want to cover the boot's sole with cloth. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE [message truncated] From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 09:16:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29529 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01170 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22969 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:15:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199909170915.AA67109190@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC Cycles" , "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" Subject: Re: Jupiter Sidecar X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" What the heck is a Jupiter Sidecar? Its sounds neat - are there any pictures anywhere online? --------- I don't know of any online pictures, right off. I think some individuals do, but I don't have any addresses handy. There used to be a Russian site up - they made the Jupiter sidecar, motorcycles, and Kalishnakov (sp?) assault rifles - but the site is no longer up. The newer version of the Jupiter is the Sputnik, which has pictures at http://www.dauntlessmotors.com/sputnik.htm The body shape is the same. The major differences are that the front hood and rear hood flip up for passenger and baggage access. On my Jupiter, the front slides forward to give passenger access, and the baggage compartment is accessed by removing the seat back. And the body is all metal, thick metal like 1950's automobiles. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 09:28:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29748 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:27:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199909170927.AA10289490@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Dale Horstman CC: Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK, so who rode to work *today*? Not me ... I didn't go in to work :-) -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 09:42:45 1999 Return-Path: SturgesRA@XXXXXX Received: from relay.navsea.navy.mil (relay.navsea.navy.mil [140.195.79.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00448 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nssczeusconn1.navsea.navy.mil (cc39e1f.navsea.navy.mil [140.195.158.31]) by relay.navsea.navy.mil (8.6.9/1.9) with ESMTP id JAA09526 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:40:31 -0400 Received: by cc39e1f.navsea.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:35:55 -0400 Message-ID: <01251FF6E3BCD21185740008C75DFC9497184C@NSSCZEUSEX6> From: Sturges Rich A NSSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: trailer for sale Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:39:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just to follow up on the trailer Steve described: It's 3,000 lb capacity (two or three bikes) and the base platform is 6' wide by 10' long. I've put on a wood deck that is slightly larger than 6x10, the final dimensions and configuration (tie downs, etc) can be worked out with whoever needs the trailer. (blah blah blah, bottom line is that I haven't had time lately to finish bolting down the new flooring and putting the lights back on it.) It's a very solid trailer. Asking $300, small street bikes accepted in trade. rich 703-536-4443 sturges@XXXXXX sturgesra@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Harris [mailto:harris@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 08:45 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: trailer for sale Someone was looking for a trailer. Team Charm is selling our flat bed trailer. It is currently at Rich's house in VA. It has a 2k load cap, single axle, pivoting center 8x10 flatbed. No rust, but the wooden floor rotted away & is being replaced. We used to have it covered, it was the red barn tailer (see http://www.his.com/~harris/trail1.jpg and http://www.his.com/~harris/trail2.jpg) & graffitti trailer. We got rid of the covering some time ago. Anyway, Rich is in the process of rebuilding it for sale. If someone needs a trailer this is a good one and if you contact Rich you can either pick it up as for cheap or specify how it is rebuilt for a little more. Rich is at sturges@XXXXXX. If you act now, for just a little more money is can come pre-loaded with all the EX500 parts you would need for a complete bike to go racing...:-) I will be up at Summit Point this weekend. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 09:49:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00556 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01389 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23903 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling2-85.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FI7005MLIEGBM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:37:40 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Summit Point will be ready! To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <00b401bf012a$f5c5d320$552dbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 All - Just called Summit Point again ( tried to sorta disguise my voice so they wouldn't know it was me callin for the 3rd time) and although I got a conflicting story from my last call, they still say it will be done. I had been told Wednesday that they were paving in the rain. I happened to go to a contractors expo at Redskins Stadium yesterday and a local paving company was there. I asked if it was possible to pave in the rain and they said "no way -cant get the heat in it. You can physically lay it down but it'll never last" I was dissapointed thinking that Summit might not turn out right. So today I called and asked if it would be ready - "yes and the gates'll open at six," and I asked if they had paved in the rain "No." So make of it what you will, the consistant theme is "it will be ready" Jonathan From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 09:57:06 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com (e2.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00784 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e2.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA122250 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:56:27 -0400 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.05) with SMTP id JAA38004 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:56:55 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EF.004C97BF ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:56:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EF.004C9650.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:56:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Riding in the Rain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK, so who rode to work *today*? I did. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:03:39 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00923 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id KAA27581 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990917100452.007d9510@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:04:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: web page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have the web page address for used leathers that is run by Colleen? I know it's an AOL address. Got some shopping to do. Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:08:26 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01002 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:08:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA19902 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EF.004DBA53 ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:08:59 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EF.004DB7C3.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:04:27 -0400 Subject: Re: WERA final standings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Congrats, Collin! No, you don't sound gloatful at all! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Collin T. Fagan" on 09/16/99 10:33:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: WERA final standings Well folks, the WERA Northeast region is final and points have been tallied... even though I missed a lot of early races and crashed out of the last two I ended up doing fairly well. 4th place in B Production 3rd place in B Superbike (woohoo!!) and 5th place in Formula 1 Ironically, Formula 1 was the class I stood a very good chance of winning, but when all of the folks near the top of the food chain crash out of a race and then miss the next one (double points) it lets other folks catch ya in a hurry...oh well.. I'm not complaining one bit at all. Next season it'll be white plates for me and thrown right back into the learning process again, and hopefully getting faster following some of those shit hot fast experts out there :) Although, if all goes well, I'll be getting my novice GLRRA license this weekend so I can sandbag a bit there he he he :) Hope this didn't sound too gloatful... I'm just trying to share my happiness with all my DCC friends.... Collin (who still has to start some homework due tomorrow :)) === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:14:10 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01116 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:14:09 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4ROZa19705 (4317); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7249016a.2513a680@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:13:20 EDT Subject: Water proofing leather To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 The best water proofing for leather is anhydrous lanolin available from your local drug store. Be sure to get ANHYDROUS. Clean boots, warm them in a oven on low, melt lanolin in a boiling water bath. Apply with an old tooth brush until the article will not absorb any more. Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:22:31 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01280 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Fri Sep 17 07:24:47 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28F1@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "'Lisa Goddard'" Subject: RE: web page Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:21:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lisa, It's not on AOL anymore. She's got her own site: http://www.leatherexchange.com/ Regards, Perry -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Goddard [mailto:lisa@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:05 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: web page Does anyone have the web page address for used leathers that is run by Colleen? I know it's an AOL address. Got some shopping to do. Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:22:56 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01282 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:22:55 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA24638; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:22:53 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023872; Fri, 17 Sep 99 10:22:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI700F6CK2APS@XXXXXX>; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EF.004ED1E3 ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:20:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:20:29 -0400 Subject: Re: web page To: Lisa Goddard Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EF.004ECE7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Lisa Goddard Date: 09/17/99 02:04:52 PM GMT Subject: web page Does anyone have the web page address for used leathers that is run by Colleen? I know it's an AOL address. Got some shopping to do. Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:23:43 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01286 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567EF.004F2BF8 ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:24:46 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Lisa Goddard cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567EF.004F298B.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:20:13 -0400 Subject: Re: web page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline http://www.leatherexchange.com/ - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Lisa Goddard on 09/17/99 10:04:52 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: web page Does anyone have the web page address for used leathers that is run by Colleen? I know it's an AOL address. Got some shopping to do. Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:23:59 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01288 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:23:58 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id qLNAa25662 (4317); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3387007b.2513a8d3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:23:15 EDT Subject: Re: WERA final standings To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Even if some think you sound gloatful, you have earned that right. Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:27:51 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01396 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud7b8 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25387 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009f01bf0118$8b657bf0$5e5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990917100452.007d9510@kivex.com> Subject: Ride this weekend? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:25:49 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Someone mentioned a ride earlier this week, meeting up at Anita's in Chantilly? Is this still going on? I can't wait to try the new F4 out :-) Kirt 1999 CBR 600F4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:45:39 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01882 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:44:32 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:44:27 -0400 Message-Id: <37E2549C.3D37A3DE@trw.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:48:04 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WERA final standings References: <3387007b.2513a8d3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Gloatful" is not a word. The proper way to say it is "gloatalicious" or "gloatigular." Thank you. Oh, and congratulations Collin, ya dang gloatapotumus, from a fellow (much slower) 750 driver. -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Even if some think you sound gloatful, you have earned that right. > Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:46:52 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01887 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA23098 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA02477; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:45:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:45:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WERA final standings In-Reply-To: <19990917023357.16305.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While I can't boast as good of standings as mister Fagan ;) , I ended up taking 8th in D-Superbike, and 11th in Formula 2 in this my first year. I'm pretty happy with that :) Unfortunatly I missed the last weekend at Nelson due to dental probs, and then wadded my FZR into turn one at summit on a practice day :/ I'll be hanging out this weekend at Summit, but won't be racing (SpeedWerks is still putting my bike back together). Brad will be taking the MARRC school and competing in his first race this weekend so anyone who's thinking of coming out please do so! Jeff Ozman will also be racing his 748 this weekend I believe. - Brian ---- Brian Roach | Bug? What bug? Software Engineer | Oh that? That's a feature. Host Development | I'll be changing the implementation America Online, Inc | next week... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:47:58 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01904 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:47:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'mriderleon@XXXXXX'" Subject: Riding in the Rain Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:47:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain johnwhiteside asked," OK, so who rode to work *today*?" Yesterday & today No ice, no problemo. Fortunately the North wind going home was straight ahead for me & not trying to blow me sideways. Leon Begeman said, "I did. I didn't see any other bikes this morning." My Sabre was there on K from 6:45 until . . . and complained, "I did get a slight leak in the usual place on the 'stich this AM. I'll have to be a little more careful going home." REI has some spray on that's supposed to be easier on the 'Stich's dye that CampDry; then there's 3M's Scotch Guard in the green can. Oh, "the usual place"; lift your fanny frequently. I've been in a steady frog strangler for up to 5 hours with nary a drop in "the usual place". Up to 6 hours in ordinary rain. On keeping your parked bike upright. Yes, shelter is a good thing but away from falling limbs is also a good thing. One buddy parks his VFR on the sidestand then puts a bottle jack on the opposite side. Leave the cover off, it can be a sail and after all these bikes were designed to be washed or driven in the rain. Carl S. Custer Bethesda, MD Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; 1997 AeroStich Roadcrafter "Fred"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC 0002 When there's nothing to wash or clean or polish, I don't know what you do. I guess you just *ride* it." Jay Leno From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:54:22 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02076 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:53:38 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:31:31 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:31:37 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: RE: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Ho -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline How 'bout a good ol' fashioned Dry Rider? Been using 'em for years, they don't leak, they go over temp-appropriate riding gear. I've also used one as extra wind protection for colder temps (i.e., the flatlander not being dressed for altitude). Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 10:54:48 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02095 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:54:08 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:31:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:59:24 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bhuson@XXXXXX, mjay@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boo hoo too much rain (was RE: Much a do about commas (was RE: Howabout a gun thread (NON-MOTO) )) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Here's a good one. One November day in Minneapolis I woke up to blue skies, dry roads, and 50 degrees. Decided it might be the last chance to ride into work. On went the Dakar jacket w/liner, Oly winter gloves, and I was comfy for the 30-min ride to the office. Of course, during the day, the skies got dark, the temp dropped and it started to snow. By the end of the day there was 6" of white stuff on the ground. I figured my only hope would be to paddle home on city streets in the traffic snarl that usually accompanies the first good dump of the season. It worked--the streets were only wet because they were salted and because of all the heat from the slow-moving cages. No problem staying warm--I was sweating like millworker. By the time I got home, there was about 8" on the ground, and I got stuck in our uphill-sloping driveway. Next day, I had the unique opportunity of having to hose the road salt off my bike. Joe >>> Bill Huson - 9/15/99 4:25 PM >>> Snowmobile suits and gauntlet style snowmobile mittins are great for winter riding. I still have mine, although the days & nights of year-round riding are over fer me. I have to give my cages some exercise. Many moons ago a law officer pulled me over - at night - with the snow flying in the air and sorta beggining to stick to the road. He examined my permit and registration, did a few roadside boozer checks, then handed me back my papers and said I could go. Why did you stop me? I ask. He sez "I wanted to see if you were drunk or crazy. You're not drunk." I decided that might be a clue to take to the cage. Bill Michael Jay wrote: > > By the way, what is the rain gear of choice for around > here anyway? I have heard of using snow-machine suits, but > is there something better suited for street riding. > Something usable for both summer and winter would be ideal. > > Grounded due to weather, > Mike Jay > 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 11:09:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02416 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01953 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26671 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07143 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:09:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990917110644.0149d7e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:09:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Sunday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anything planned? I am open in the morning to early afternoon. I would love to take the same run we did last year from Centreville to=20 Harper's Ferry. The back roads were awesome and unpopulated. This time I= =20 can keep up ;-) I think ZBig planned the routes...still have 'em? If anyone is up for this, we can meet at Anita's fin Chantilly or coffee=20 around 9am Sunday, split by 9:30 or so. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist K=F6nig From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 11:31:27 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02834 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud7b8 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24543; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013b01bf0121$70936680$5e5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <4.2.0.58.19990917110644.0149d7e0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Weekend rides... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:29:31 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 At some point this weekend, I wanna go for a ride. Saturday and/or Sunday are great with me at this point, and I almost took today off to go ride around all day (it's my b-day). So, if anyone wants to ride, let me know... Kirt S. 1999 CBR 600F4 Annandale, Va From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 13:57:15 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05486 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-93.patriot.net [209.249.180.93]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA23549; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:57:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37E27FA2.66637A8A@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:51:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend rides... References: <4.2.0.58.19990917110644.0149d7e0@mail.wheatintl.com> <013b01bf0121$70936680$5e5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be riding all weekend - when I'm not coaching and dodging (on foot) 24 novice riders. By Sunday nite I'll be howling "LOOK THRU THE TURN" in my sleep. It's a kick - it really is - I love it. Bill Kirt S. wrote: > At some point this weekend, I wanna go for a ride. Saturday and/or Sunday > are great with me at this point, and I almost took today off to go ride > around all day (it's my b-day). So, if anyone wants to ride, let me know... > > Kirt S. > 1999 CBR 600F4 > Annandale, Va From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 14:32:58 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06121 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:32:55 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA12421; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:33:03 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma009749; Fri, 17 Sep 99 14:30:01 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FI70085VVIJXT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567EF.00657808 ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:28:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:27:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Weekend rides... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567EF.00657140.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Do you mind if we wheelie past the class during their final exams? :^) "Slow, look, lean, ro- WHAT THE?" **CRASH** Chris Weaver Bill wrote: I'll be riding all weekend - when I'm not coaching and dodging (on foot) 24 novice riders. By Sunday nite I'll be howling "LOOK THRU THE TURN" in my sleep. It's a kick - it really is - I love it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 16:06:06 1999 Return-Path: ghub@XXXXXX Received: from rmx01.mail.com (rmx01.mail.com [165.251.48.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07878 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web11.mail.com (web11.pub01.mail.com [165.251.32.21]) by rmx01.mail.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA10820 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <383140352.937598716761.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:05:16 -0400 (EDT) From: G Hub To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Friday Riding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 207.172.126.250 So who worked today? Just finished a 240 mile ride from Arlington to Skyline Drive and back. Entered Skyline near Luray and drove north to Winchester. Views were spectacular. Very little traffic. Back to DC on Route 50. It was nice to hear my desmo twin on the curves of Skyline Drive. So sweet. Off to play golf tomorrow. So many activities and so little time. Everybody have great rides this weekend. Gerald Hubbard Rides a big bad Duc. Actually I have the side panniers, so it is a sleeper with the 916 engine. ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 17:14:18 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09017 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud7b8 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id RAA08023; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012301bf0151$4ce5ca90$5e5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Troutman" , References: <4.2.0.58.19990917110644.0149d7e0@mail.wheatintl.com> <4.2.0.58.19990917123027.014243e0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Weekend rides... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:12:08 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'll most likely be there. Who was it that said they were meeting out at Anita's tomorrow??? Someone posted that earlier in the week. If anyone else is getting the group together for a ride tomorrow (that is not tooooo far, maybe a few hours, and with plenty o' twisties) try sending me an e-mail, but the PC at home needs to be fixed, so it might not be up to night. So, give me a page too. 703-523-7744 Kirt 1999 CBR 600F4 Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Kirt S. Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Weekend rides... Sunday...Chantilly....Anita's on 50/Centreville Road next to Acura. 9am...ride up to Harpers Ferry and Back. At 11:29 AM 9/17/99 , you wrote: >At some point this weekend, I wanna go for a ride. Saturday and/or Sunday >are great with me at this point, and I almost took today off to go ride >around all day (it's my b-day). So, if anyone wants to ride, let me know... > >Kirt S. >1999 CBR 600F4 >Annandale, Va ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 16k and counting Das VFR ist König From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 17:25:45 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09203 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud7b8 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id RAA18671 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014a01bf0152$eec8db30$5e5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Summit Point Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:23:49 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 are there races this weekend? Is anyone going if there are? what time, how much? Kirt 99 CBR 600F4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 19:46:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11801 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04748 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA19964 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling2-85.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FI800A6GA01V5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:33:45 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Re: Summit Point To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , "Kirt S." Message-id: <00e801bf017e$3b167da0$552dbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <014a01bf0152$eec8db30$5e5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-Priority: 3 yes. Randy Moran and I will be racing SV's, Jeff O. should be there on a Ducati, Tim Morrow on an EX and George Vesko on a Ducati. Mini endurance Saturday starting at noon ( 20 lap races) and sprints (8 laps) starting at noon on Sunday. Should be a perfect weekend weather wise, and the pavement should be new. Come out and see the sights! Jonathan Broga CCS#500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirt S. To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 2:23 PM Subject: Summit Point > are there races this weekend? Is anyone going if there are? what time, how > much? > > Kirt > 99 CBR 600F4 > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 17 22:24:17 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA14250 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-191.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.191]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA19503 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:24:14 -0400 Message-ID: <02db01bf017c$b1cdf2e0$efa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: WERA final standings Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:22:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Echoing congratulations to Collin and Brian. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Swift cruiser (would race with training wheels and ejection seat). Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach >While I can't boast as good of standings as mister Fagan ;) , I ended up >taking 8th in D-Superbike, and 11th in Formula 2 in this my first year. >I'm pretty happy with that :) ...snip From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 18 00:05:21 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15946 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-136-87.s87.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.136.87]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09088 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:04:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990918000124.00bdcde0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:04:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Sunday Ride to Harper's Ferry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weather looks to be beautiful. The plan is to meet at Anitas - close to=20 the intersection of 28 and 50 in Chantilly. Anita's is next to Pohanka=20 Acura at the corner of Centreville Road. Meet at 9am, leave at 9:30. Plenty of gas nearby. Proposed routes, based on Streets98 and some road knowledge: Chantilly to Harper=92s Ferry =B7 Left on 50 East =B7 Right on 621 N 6.7 =B7 Town of Arcola 7.6 =B7 Bare Left 7.7 =B7 Hard Right 12.9 =B7 Left on 15 South 19 =B7 Right on 704 N 21.3 =B7 Right 7 Business 26.9 =B7 Left on 9 North 29.4 =B7 Right on 32 North 42.6 =B7 Harper=92s Ferry 49 Harper=92s Ferry to Middleburg =B7 340 North/East =B7 Right on 671 South 2 =B7 Left on 9 South 10 =B7 Right on 704 South 18 =B7 Right on 7 West 19 =B7 Left on 704 South 19.2 =B7 Right on 15 South 26 =B7 Right on 733 West 29 =B7 Left on 734 South 33 =B7 Right on 50 West 36 =B7 Left on 626 South 41 =B7 Left on 55 South 49 =B7 Take 55 to 29 / 15 / 66 and split. If anyone has any tips or better roads, please let me know before=20 Sunday. This is the first one I have mapped out. Mileage may be off - I=20 don;t know how accurate Microsoft's measuring tool is. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 18 01:03:55 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16942 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:03:54 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4SQJa09368 (4574); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <67737b44.25147714@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:03:16 EDT Subject: Re: Water proofing leather To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 It doesn't smell all that great and will darken light colored leather. Other than that it is great stuff. I started using it back in the sixtys when I was doing a lot winter camping in Montana Bob From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 18 08:24:10 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27733 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-190.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.190]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA32528 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:24:06 -0400 Message-ID: <02fa01bf01d0$7e4a7f20$efa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: More DC traffic cameras Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:22:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F7_01BF01AE.F6031E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F7_01BF01AE.F6031E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Smile, your on . . .. From Today's Post DC Metro section. =20 --------- Photo Traffic Tickets Deemed Success=20 The city's venture into "photo-enforcement" has been "extremely = successful," a police spokeswoman said yesterday, and 35 cameras = designed to catch [red-light]traffic violators will be added by the end = of the year to the five in place. [$75 and two points.] ...snip In the next 30 days, cameras will be installed at these 15 locations:=20 12th Street and Constitution Avenue NW,=20 16th Street and Colorado Avenue NW,=20 16th and Irving streets NW,=20 16th and Oak streets NW,=20 25th and K streets NW,=20 27th and K streets NW,=20 M Street and Wisconsin Avenue NW,=20 Connecticut and Nebraska avenues NW,=20 Georgia and Missouri avenues NW,=20 Mount Olivet Road and West Virginia Avenue NE,=20 New York and Florida avenues NE,=20 North Capitol and Gallatin streets NE,=20 North Capitol Street and Harewood Road NE,=20 North Capitol Street and Missouri Avenue NW,=20 and South Dakota Avenue and Bladensburg Road NE. http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/18/127l-091899-idx= .html=20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Will need pretty-polishing weekly now. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_02F7_01BF01AE.F6031E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Smile, = your on . .=20 ..  From Today's Post DC Metro section. 
 
---------
Photo = Traffic Tickets=20 Deemed Success
 
The = city's venture into=20 "photo-enforcement" has been "extremely successful," = a=20 police spokeswoman said yesterday, and 35 cameras designed to catch=20 [red-light]traffic violators will be added by the end of the year to the = five in=20 place.  [$75 and two points.]
 
...snip
 
In the = next 30 days,=20 cameras will be installed at these 15 locations:
12th = Street and=20 Constitution Avenue NW,
16th = Street and=20 Colorado Avenue NW,
16th and = Irving streets=20 NW,
16th and = Oak streets=20 NW,
25th and = K streets NW,=20
27th and = K streets NW,=20
M Street = and Wisconsin=20 Avenue NW,
Connecticut and=20 Nebraska avenues NW,
Georgia = and Missouri=20 avenues NW,
Mount = Olivet Road and=20 West Virginia Avenue NE,
New York = and Florida=20 avenues NE,
North = Capitol and=20 Gallatin streets NE,
North = Capitol Street=20 and Harewood Road NE,
North = Capitol Street=20 and Missouri Avenue NW,
and South = Dakota Avenue=20 and Bladensburg Road NE.
 
http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/18/127l-0= 91899-idx.html=20

Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 = --> Will=20 need pretty-polishing weekly now. 
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------=_NextPart_000_02F7_01BF01AE.F6031E40-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 18 16:04:28 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06115 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id QAA13556 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id QAA18374; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:03:39 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5692@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: SUV's of the future Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:03:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain http://poseur.4x4.org/futuresuv.html Enjoy, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 18 20:43:55 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10410 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72020 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 1999 00:43:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990919004318.72019.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.122.199.225 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:43:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.122.199.225] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride for kids Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:43:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Anyone going to the ride for kids in Columbia,MD? Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 19 14:00:21 1999 Return-Path: GJoh273440@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28360 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:00:19 -0400 (EDT) From: GJoh273440@XXXXXX Received: from GJoh273440@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2DWUa06003 (4466) for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8ddb3fcb.25167e8e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:59:42 EDT Subject: Bike wobble To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 This is my first e-mail to the group. I have a black 98 Honda Valkyrie and have met some of you on various group rides. On saturday, I took a ride out Interstate 68 to Cumberland. The road has long straight aways, wide curves and not a lot of police traffic, which gives you a chance to open it up a little. I have driven over 100 to 110-mph before on straight aways and the Valkyrie is very smooth and stable. Yesterday, I hit that speed as I was going around one of the long curves on Route 68 and the bike went into what I can best describe as a rythmic wobble. I maintained my speed, continued to lean into the curve and the wobble eventually stopped as the road straightened out. Question: Not that I plan to do this again any time soon, but, if any one knows, what the hell was that all about and what do I need to be aware of for the future. As an aside, the ride was wonderful. I road up there, stopped for a bite to eat and came back as it began to get dark. Gregory Johnson 1998 Honda Valkyrie From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 19 15:50:09 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00229 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-203-183.s437.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.203.183]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17214 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:49:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990919154558.00c12100@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:48:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Harpers Ferry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ride went well. 4 of us met and departed around 10am. Got a bit lost right off the bat - route numbers were confused. Eventually settled into some great roads. 32 is a roller coaster! Ride back was great. One road was unpainted and felt like a track....then it became gravel with no warning. Rode the gravel for a mile, then I split off at 50 and the other 3 finished via 50 to 55. No tickets, no crashes, little traffic and a beautiful day! MT _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 19 19:17:21 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03443 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:17:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2CIA0hLzGu (4463); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <407efa70.2516c880@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:15:12 EDT Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: GJoh273440@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/19/99 2:06:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GJoh273440@XXXXXX writes: << Yesterday, I hit that speed as I was going around one of the long curves on Route 68 and the bike went into what I can best describe as a rythmic wobble. >> I would venture to say the the frame, the suspension and geometry of the Valkyrie (which is in effect similar to that of the Gold Wing if I am not mistaken) is not optimized for the frame and suspension stresses that a 110-120 mph sweeper induces. You should consider that a 600cc Sportbike has a frame as rigid as yours and firmer suspenision while is supporting a fraction of the weight of your bike. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 19 19:25:03 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03525 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling-137.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FIB004NNYCYCP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:13:48 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002a01bf030d$c744db60$892fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <8ddb3fcb.25167e8e@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 I don't know if I read that right, but I gathered that you were at 100+ on a valkarie on a gentle sweeper on public roads. Now, I'm no safety nazi, but if that's what you were doing I wouldn't go admitting that to too many poeple. Your question is akin to asking a doctor "I don't feel well . . . whats wrong?" It could be your tires. It could be your tire pressure. It could be your suspension. It could be your geometry. Hell it could be a million things. Slow down, or get a steering dampner and drop the hammer! Jonathan Broga PS - I used to ride like that on my 883. I bought a sport bike and have been happier ever since. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 10:59 AM Subject: Bike wobble > This is my first e-mail to the group. I have a black 98 Honda Valkyrie and > have met some of you on various group rides. On saturday, I took a ride out > Interstate 68 to Cumberland. The road has long straight aways, wide curves > and not a lot of police traffic, which gives you a chance to open it up a > little. I have driven over 100 to 110-mph before on straight aways and the > Valkyrie is very smooth and stable. Yesterday, I hit that speed as I was > going around one of the long curves on Route 68 and the bike went into what I > can best describe as a rythmic wobble. I maintained my speed, continued to > lean into the curve and the wobble eventually stopped as the road > straightened out. Question: Not that I plan to do this again any time soon, > but, if any one knows, what the hell was that all about and what do I need to > be aware of for the future. As an aside, the ride was wonderful. I road up > there, stopped for a bite to eat and came back as it began to get dark. > > Gregory Johnson > 1998 Honda Valkyrie From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 19 19:59:59 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04063 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:59:58 -0400 (EDT) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vSRNa10230 (4559) for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:59:21 EDT Subject: **RIDE FOR KIDS RAISED OVER $100,000** To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 Thanks to Jackie Cooke and a host of other dedicated volunteers and great people, the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation will receive over $100,000 from the Maryland Ride for Kids!! The Ride for Kids is the largest contributing factor to the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation, raising more than $8,000,000 since it began in 1995... or was that 1992... After a FANTASTIC scenic route, the 600+ riders returned to the staging area at Columbia Mall. Center stage was a cheery, smiling 3-year-old girl. The tube leading to her nose and fresh surgical scars didn't seem to bother her as her mom began to explain this child's experiences with a brain tumor. Like many other children, she is a brain tumor survivor. As the leading cause of death and severe illness among children, brain tumors require much more research until a prevention and cure is found. This is where you come in. I gave Jackie my commitment to work toward reaching a record high in attendance and donations in the year 2000. I hope you're planning to join me. Even if you don't ride, be sure to save a few dollars to sponsor a DC Cycles or Blue Thunder MC member. Ah yes. Well.... (clearing throat) As for all the DC Cycles and BTMC riders who got lost in the shuffle of 600 or so bikes, I'm truly sorry we couldn't hook up. We'll be much more organized and prepared next year. NEXT RIDE you ask? SATURDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1999 WESTERN MARYLAND HERE WE COME! I just so happen to know a few people who know dem dere hills pretty darn good. Details to follow. Until then, Ride Safely! lbb From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 19 20:01:25 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04143 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990920000123.14803.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:01:23 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: bike wobble To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gregory, This wobble is a factor of your suspension. You need more rebound damping in the rear shocks if you want to take the sweepers up in the higher speed ranges... don't know if you have the option of adjustment on the valkyrie, but if not, then you would need to revalve somewhat. For a sportbike, in my experience, that kind of wobble is almost ALWAYS solved by adding 2-3 clicks of rebound damping in the rear shock. Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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------=_NextPart_000_03FD_01BF02E3.24AFDC80-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 19 21:40:59 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05810 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-78.patriot.net [209.249.180.78]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA06925; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:40:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37E58F51.7622B7E1@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:35:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike wobble References: <19990920000123.14803.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting, as I have the same problem. Plan A is to have tech/mech check it over for proper alignment as H-Ds have a buncha things to line up. The frigging engine has turnbucles to align it in the frame. Geezzz... Plan B is to upgrade the suspension. It is a "tourer" of sorts, but I tend to hammer it like it my old Suzuki, so I do believe beefier shocks/springs are in order. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Gregory, > > This wobble is a factor of your suspension. You need more rebound > damping in the rear shocks if you want to take the sweepers up in the > higher speed ranges... don't know if you have the option of adjustment > on the valkyrie, but if not, then you would need to revalve somewhat. > For a sportbike, in my experience, that kind of wobble is almost ALWAYS > solved by adding 2-3 clicks of rebound damping in the rear shock. > > Collin > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 19 22:56:25 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07328 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:56:23 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id WAA10298; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:56:46 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa09567; Sun, 19 Sep 99 22:55:54 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIC008II8AM9V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F2.000FFB15 ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:54:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:54:17 -0400 Subject: DC Cycles Rave Results???? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F2.000FF9D2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL How did it go gents? Brian Roach, did you get the bike back together. Jeff, what about the 748? Jonathan, did you continue the streakstreak. Collin...Collin? Or, should I just watch Sports Machine? Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 01:11:21 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09373 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8603 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 05:14:55 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 05:14:55 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA02477; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:14:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:14:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199909200514.BAA02477@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: anti-theft strategies On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:22:53 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >you want scarey? Shoulda been round when my buddy wedged a full-race 350 into a >Vega and fed it giggle-gas. I can top that. Some nut back home wanted to lighten up his 4-door Nova. So he cut the middle out of it and turned it into a 2-door. The back seat became the front seat. I think it was actually wider than it was long(wider is better). The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 01:14:29 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09447 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11341 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 05:18:08 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 05:18:08 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA02709; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:17:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:17:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199909200517.BAA02709@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Rubber Galoshes On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:33:48 -0400 Chris Norloff wrote: >I've never been able to actually waterproof leather boots, so I just put some "waterproofing" on them regularly to slow down the rate they absorb water. I've tried Snoseal, Aquaseal, Nikwax, RedWing boot oil, and many others. Ever use Kiwi Campdry? Haven't tried it on leather yet(it can be used on leather/nylon/canvas),but I've had good results with canvas. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 07:13:00 1999 Return-Path: brad@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.pgcc.net ([204.91.230.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16009 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: brad@XXXXXX Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by ns2.pgcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01984; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:14:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:14:29 -0400 (EDT) To: McKeithen@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Paving In-Reply-To: <10d0ae21.2516e0dc@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Any of you who raced at Summit this week-end please let me know what you > thought of the new paving. Was it faster, stickier, smoother etc. I will be > racing my car there next week-end > Bob > Yes, muuuuuuch better. It's really nice to be able to go to the outside of the concrete patch in six... Please don't take your car there, I *like* this pavement! Brad From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 07:31:11 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16864 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:31:02 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summit Point Paving Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:30:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > From: brad@XXXXXX [mailto:brad@XXXXXX] > > Yes, muuuuuuch better. It's really nice to be able to go to > the outside of > the concrete patch in six... Please don't take your car > there, I *like* > this pavement! > > Brad > Now, Brad.. STAY ON THE GAS... you coulda had him, you DID have him (outside of 6) - it was the perfect pass.... *grin* well, maybe a gear low... Brian R. and I had the stands cheering for ya... it was awesome. The battle of the rider school students.. :) Slow motion racing.. heh :) Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 08:03:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17655 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:03:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199909200803.AA15532752@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Gil Nissley" Subject: Re:Rubber Galoshes X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 Chris Norloff wrote: >I've never been able to actually waterproof leather boots, so I just put some "waterproofing" on them regularly to slow down the rate they absorb water. I've tried Snoseal, Aquaseal, Nikwax, RedWing boot oil, and many others. ------------------------------------ From: "Gil Nissley" Ever use Kiwi Campdry? Haven't tried it on leather yet(it can be used on leather/nylon/canvas),but I've had good results with canvas. ----- I've tried CampDry on the boots and it worked well, but it lost effectiveness in less than a week. thanks, Chris The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 09:09:35 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18662 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA11194; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:10:02 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma005876; Mon, 20 Sep 99 09:05:35 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FID0065Z0IN4C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F2.0047CC2E ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:04:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:03:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F2.0047CB31.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL FYI...I forwarded Greg's question to another Val rider. Mark To: Mark Kitchell/CLC/Washington DC/C&L/US@Americas-US cc: vfr@XXXXXX, GJoh273440@XXXXXX From: Bill Hussey Date: 09/20/99 03:33:31 AM GMT Subject: Re: Bike wobble Oooh, I know this well!!! NOTE: Never ever ever make the mistake of thinking that that flimsy frame can handle all 800 lbs of bike, plus rider, plus all that power. There are three factors that play into the Valkyrie's wobble at high speeds. First, tire pressure. This is unfortunately a catch 22 however. Jack the pressures up to max or within 2 lbs of max, and the bias-ply D206s will not deform as much. It's this deformation that makes them squirrely on anything but the most perfect pavement. Unfortunately, this throws the ride quality to hell. My father puts it best when he says, "With the tire pressures are at max, I have to take a look at the forks every now and then just to see if they're still working!" It really feels like you're riding a soft-tail, or soft-head or whatever. The second factor that plays into this is the ohh so shitty stock shocks that the Valkyrie comes with. Perfectly usable for crusing and slow to medium speed light twisties, they do basically nothing for real road carving. I've had the engine protectors scraping before and the feel out of the rear end is just terrible. The good news is that you have a rear tire larger than most modern day sports cars so whatever you lack in suspension trickness you make up for in sheer contact patch. The third factor is the frame. I don't know if you have a standard Valkyrie or a Valkyrie Tourer, but I have the Tourer. That huge wind-screen gives it the same aerodynamic co-efficient, as that of a barn. As you get above 75mph, the wind starts to really push hard against the front of the bike, and you find yourself cranking harder and harder on the throttle to get the bike to go faster. What ends up happening is that massive engine starts throwing down mounds of power to the rear wheel, and the wind is doing its best to slow down the front of the bike, so the frame starts to bend. That's what makes up that side to side wobble-type motion you describe. It's really weird, cause at first you assume it's shock related, but you realize that if it was shock related, the bike would be pogo'ing up and down, but instead it's moving left and right. My dad and I thought we had the problem licked when we found out that the shop put practically no air in our tires to start off with, but after we filled them up, my dad was reporting the same problem, not as drastic, but still there. So I get behind him for a few miles and watch as both tires keep a steady line on the road, but I can see the frame bend in certain parts, kinda weird. My advice would be to check your pressures, and bump the preload on the rear shocks to max for any kind of serious riding. Anytime after a "spirited" ride, go over the frame carefully and look for cracked paint. This would be an indication of a point where the frame was flexing. If discovered, consult a Honda dealer. Bill '97 VFR '98 F6 (Valkyrie Tourer for those of you who don't know) mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Greg: > > I will forward this to a Valkerie rider I know (from the VFR list) who may > be able to help. > > Bill Hussey (sp?). What do you advise. Please respond direct since this > request came from DC Cycles > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: GJoh273440@XXXXXX > Date: 09/19/99 05:59:42 PM GMT > Subject: Bike wobble > > This is my first e-mail to the group. I have a black 98 Honda Valkyrie and > have met some of you on various group rides. On saturday, I took a ride > out > Interstate 68 to Cumberland. The road has long straight aways, wide > curves > and not a lot of police traffic, which gives you a chance to open it up a > little. I have driven over 100 to 110-mph before on straight aways and the > Valkyrie is very smooth and stable. Yesterday, I hit that speed as I was > going around one of the long curves on Route 68 and the bike went into what > I > can best describe as a rythmic wobble. I maintained my speed, continued to > lean into the curve and the wobble eventually stopped as the road > straightened out. Question: Not that I plan to do this again any time > soon, > but, if any one knows, what the hell was that all about and what do I need > to > be aware of for the future. As an aside, the ride was wonderful. I road > up > there, stopped for a bite to eat and came back as it began to get dark. > > Gregory Johnson > 1998 Honda Valkyrie ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 10:15:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19737 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19803 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25571 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21224 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:15:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990920101416.015cb0a0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:15:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Yahoo Club Room Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was just posting a couple of pics on the Yahoo! dc-cycles club area, and got an error - we have exceeded our disk space allotment. Time to clean house! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org MOE: You go through life, you try to be nice to people you struggle to resist the urge to punch in the face, and for what? For some pimply little puke to treat you like dirt unless you're on a team. Well, I'm better than dirt...well, most kinds of dirt. I mean, not that fancy store-bought dirt. That stuff's loaded with nutrients. I can't compete with that stuff. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 10:32:36 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20042 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-122-20.s274.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.122.20]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA01047 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001801bf0353$ca71fca0$9ca9fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: Summit Point Paving Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:34:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 The pavement was 100% better right off the bat. To the best of my knowledge I took the 1st motorcycle lap at Summit with the new pavement. Morning laps are usually slippery until the dew dries off and the dust is cleared from the line, but the new pavement stuck right away. Through the day several comments were made as to how we could almost get our elbows down in 10 and 7. I'm not sure of the durability however, as the pavement seemed to be rippling in 7 and 10 by Sunday afternoon. Legends cars ran Saturday night. Lap times are the same for most of us I think, the main advantage now one can go basically anywhere to make a pass. Inside/outside/late apex/early. Very fun this weekend, but I am worried it will not hold up. Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 -----Original Message----- From: McKeithen@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 1:05 AM Subject: Summit Point Paving >Any of you who raced at Summit this week-end please let me know what you >thought of the new paving. Was it faster, stickier, smoother etc. I will be >racing my car there next week-end >Bob > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 10:57:22 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20520 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02846 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013301bf0378$23f71f20$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <001801bf0353$ca71fca0$9ca9fea9@oemcomputer> Subject: pics on the site Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:55:11 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 removed mine and made them links. Everyone should do the same... Kirt 99 600F4 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 11:08:08 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20825 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-122-20.s274.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.122.20]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id LAA07655 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002901bf0358$c96c8140$9ca9fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: DC Cycles Rave Results???? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:10:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Well it was a mixed weekend. Some had good luck, some had bad, and some were just there to drink beer, eat steaks and watch the action. I found myself in envy of their happy go lucky situation. Jeff's Duc lost a timing belt (don't ask) on something like his first practice lap. That definitely sucked as there was nothing anyone could about it. It will need to be rebuilt. Brian Roach's bike was not ready yet, but he'll be coming on strong next year with a 400RR Japanese import next year. Brad was going through the typical first race weekend - trying not be last (which he wasn't!). Randy Moran was back in his leathers after a 2 month hiatus caused by a broken thumb. In the meantime he had bought an SV650 to get in on some of the action in Lightweights. I'll be happy to gloat for him as I doubt he'll toot his own horn too much, but he got a 1st in Lightweight SuperSport on this his first weekend on the new bike! He didn't even realize he was in first ( it was a mixed field with experts) so he missed the satisfaction of a spastic victory lap, but I'm sure he'll get that in next year. And yes I continued my streak 3 for 3 this weekend, but got in a seriously foul mood Sunday after seeing a friend of mine airlifted out Saturday with a collapsed lung, broken ribs, cracked C7 vertebrae and a totaled F3. I decided to listen to my sixth sense and sit out the last two races and enjoy my health and clean racebike over the winter. Don't know if my premonition was correct or not, but I finished the season on a positive note. All in all it was a good weekend for most of the DC cycles crew, Jeff excluded. Jonathan Broga Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 -----Original Message----- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 3:03 AM Subject: DC Cycles Rave Results???? >How did it go gents? Brian Roach, did you get the bike back together. >Jeff, what about the 748? Jonathan, did you continue the streakstreak. >Collin...Collin? > >Or, should I just watch Sports Machine? > >Mark >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 11:14:48 1999 Return-Path: GennaM@XXXXXX Received: from ctelnt.ctel.com ([38.149.180.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21031 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ectel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: <084430AB93A2D211AA1500A0C9E953762581A2@ectel.com> From: Genna Melamed To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Best Route to 211(or Skyline Dr.) from North Baltimore Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:11:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm thinking of going to the valley next week, and I'm trying to find the best route to get there..... It has to be local roads with little traffic and lots of curves :-). Basically, fun roads with as little highways as possible. My current thinking is to get to Gaithersburg area via Clarksburg road (I think that is the name). But I don't really know the rest. I want to avoid DC and DC Beltway as much as possible, as well as I-66 and I-95. Any advice? Thank, Genna From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 11:19:35 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21142 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:19:32 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA26213; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:18:09 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014437; Mon, 20 Sep 99 11:06:07 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FID002EV63L9S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F2.0052D8E4 ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:04:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:05:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Summit Point Paving To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F2.0052D3EE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Jonathan Broga wrote: > Very fun this weekend, but I am worried it will not hold up. Jonathan and others, I wonder if this problem could be compounded by the fact that Summit let racing occur so soon after the pavement was laid. I was always under the impression that it needed time to "cure" properly. Anyone know? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. I discovered some great new (to me) roads on Sunday. Missed the Skins game, but I had a gas! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 11:39:29 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21625 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Mon Sep 20 08:40:20 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:39:55 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28F7@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Genna Melamed'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Best Route to 211(or Skyline Dr.) from North Baltimore Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:36:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Genna, >From the G'burg area, I normally would take Rt 28 West towards White's Ferry. You veer left off of Rt 28 onto White's Ferry Road (Rt 107?) about 14 miles west of Rockville. Once across White's Ferry, turn left onto Rt 15 South. You'll hit Leesburg in about 3 miles. From there, you have all sorts of interesting options. I like to take 7 West from Leesburg, to Berryville, and then pick up Rt 340 South to Front Royal. You can continue on 340 South (roughly parallel to Skyline Drive,) get on 522 South, or take Skyline Drive. Or, you can stay on Rt 15 to Rt 29, turn right and follow it to Warrenton, where you can pick up 211. Have fun. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Genna Melamed [mailto:GennaM@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:12 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Best Route to 211(or Skyline Dr.) from North Baltimore I'm thinking of going to the valley next week, and I'm trying to find the best route to get there..... It has to be local roads with little traffic and lots of curves :-). Basically, fun roads with as little highways as possible. My current thinking is to get to Gaithersburg area via Clarksburg road (I think that is the name). But I don't really know the rest. I want to avoid DC and DC Beltway as much as possible, as well as I-66 and I-95. Any advice? Thank, Genna From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 12:15:14 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (pix-fw.wan.aol.com [152.163.190.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22434 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA07368; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Rave Results???? In-Reply-To: <002901bf0358$c96c8140$9ca9fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > there was nothing anyone could about it. It will need to be rebuilt. Brian > Roach's bike was not ready yet, but he'll be coming on strong next year with > a 400RR Japanese import next year. Brad was going through the typical first I Hope.... I *will* get one of these things. Steve has a line on a FZR400RR-SP (Gotta love those Japanese designators) that I may get, or the one he has now if I can convince him to sell it to me and not one of the bunch of other people who want it currently (Brian McCoy being one of them, who *really* doesn't need it... the RC51 is a MUCH better bike for him... ::grin::). He had the thing for 6 months, noone seemed to want it, and now last week like 4 people called on it. ::grrr:: > race weekend - trying not be last (which he wasn't!). Randy Moran was back > in his leathers after a 2 month hiatus caused by a broken thumb. In the > meantime he had bought an SV650 to get in on some of the action in > Lightweights. I'll be happy to gloat for him as I doubt he'll toot his own > horn too much, but he got a 1st in Lightweight SuperSport on this his first > weekend on the new bike! He didn't even realize he was in first ( it was a > mixed field with experts) so he missed the satisfaction of a spastic victory Randy was *screaming* on the new pavement at Summit. We watched him make an awesome charge up through the pack from our seats in the carosel. His ultra-wide line through 6 on the new pavement was better than everyone out there (only because Jon wasn't racing... he was using the same line). Definate congrats to Randy.... I wish I didn't have to race against him next year ;^) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 13:21:23 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23756 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07714; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015901bf038c$438a38e0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <19990920163432.E8AD814538C@beach.silcom.com> Subject: Insurance... Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:19:15 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I just went and changed my insurance from Allstate to State Farm, and saved myself nearly 4000 dollars per year. I (obviously) couldn't afford that through Allstate, so I merely had liability. I was paying 975 per year for liability on the bike. I am now paying 942 per year for full coverage through State Farm. WOO HOO... If anyone in the dc-area wants this guys number, lemme know. He hooked me up. BTW, 23 male, 1 ticket, 1 not-at-fault accident. Kirt 1999 CBR 600F4 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 16:12:05 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26637 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Air Pump Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:11:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain For those who care tire repair kits: In the Sunday paper, ServiceStar Hardware stores has a coupon book including one for a $9.99 12 V air pump. The pump with cover is small (~8" X 4" X 3") but inside, it appears to have a full sized motor and pump. I added a switch and a BI-polar connector so it can plug it into one of my bikes accessories. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 17:10:35 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27610 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:10:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199909201710.AA74252918@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Concours Owners Group" Subject: Bike Humor X-Mailer: > Signs of Life? > > There were two guys on a motorcycle driving down the road. The driver was > wearing a leather jacket that didn't have a zipper or any buttons. > > Finally he stopped the bike and told the other guy,"I can't drive anymore > with the air hitting me in my chest." > > After thinking for a while he decided to put the coat on backwards to > block the air from hitting him. So they were driving down the road and > they came around this curve and wrecked. The farmer that lived there > called the police and told them what happened. > > The police asked him, "Are either of them showing any lifesigns?" > > The farmer then said, "Well, that first one was, 'til I turned his head > around the right way." From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 17:49:56 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28274 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11TBJX-0006LI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:49:35 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tour update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 19:44:34 1999 Return-Path: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00478 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:44:32 -0400 (EDT) From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Received: from TZimm2450@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2MVFjyXId_ (3699) for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ab9e23a.251820bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:43:56 EDT Subject: Tire To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 I read that someone has a tire changer on the list. If I remember correctly, You had to buy some stock in order to use it. Well, I'm not really interested in using it. But I am willing to pay someone to change a tire. Fast lanes charges 50 so I am interested in how much it would cost for someone on the list to do it. Trevor 98YZF600 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 19:53:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00646 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23495 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25796 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf15-145.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.145]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA26621; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Tl1000" , "Yamahafj@XXXXXX" , "Suzuki-Bikes" , "Suzuki-L" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: All New Summit Point Pictures! Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:47:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Here are the pictures from Sunday's races. Some scary "Get-Off's" that day! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=45730&a=684395 Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com WEB: http://www.tl1000.com '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 21:10:39 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01917 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:09:55 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:09:53 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:48:37 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: RRumbleBee@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: **BE ON TV & SUPPORT RIDE FOR KIDS** -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Jackie, Do you have a head count on DC-cycle listers doing the ride? Wife & I ready to go, coming up tomorrow and staying at the Comfort Inn Jessup. Sunday, I'm wearing black leathers under a white football jersey that has "kill brain tumors" stenciled on it. Anyone wanna get together Sat nite? Joe '85 Ninja 900, red/black ex-brain tumor owner From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 21:11:11 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01927 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:10:25 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:10:22 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:22:33 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: **RIDE FOR KIDS RAISED OVER $100,000** -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Amy and I were there--what a great day. By the way, what's the deal with the "Agressive Driver Imaging" signs in Maryland? Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 21:36:29 1999 Return-Path: lmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02434 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.247]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:29:51 -0400 Message-ID: <37E6E190.F87A1A8@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:38:24 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Best Route to 211(or Skyline Dr.) from North Baltimore References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28F7@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're going to try the 15/29 route, you should pick up 647 near Marshall, VA and take it to 522, then head south on 522 to 211. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Genna, > > >From the G'burg area, I normally would take Rt 28 West towards White's > Ferry. You veer left off of Rt 28 onto White's Ferry Road (Rt 107?) about 14 > miles west of Rockville. Once across White's Ferry, turn left onto Rt 15 > South. You'll hit Leesburg in about 3 miles. From there, you have all sorts > of interesting options. I like to take 7 West from Leesburg, to Berryville, > and then pick up Rt 340 South to Front Royal. You can continue on 340 South > (roughly parallel to Skyline Drive,) get on 522 South, or take Skyline > Drive. > > Or, you can stay on Rt 15 to Rt 29, turn right and follow it to Warrenton, > where you can pick up 211. > > Have fun. > > Perry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Genna Melamed [mailto:GennaM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:12 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Best Route to 211(or Skyline Dr.) from North Baltimore > > I'm thinking of going to the valley next week, and I'm trying to find > the best route to get there..... > > It has to be local roads with little traffic and lots of curves :-). > > Basically, fun roads with as little highways as possible. > > My current thinking is to get to Gaithersburg area via Clarksburg road > (I think that is the name). But I don't really know the rest. > > I want to avoid DC and DC Beltway as much as possible, as well as I-66 > and I-95. > > Any advice? > > Thank, > > Genna From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 22:18:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03447 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA24292 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29833 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.211] ([24.28.208.211]) by mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:18:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:39:15 -0400 Subject: Re: All New Summit Point Pictures! From: "David Cross" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <0011b1118021599FE2@mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com> > Here are the pictures from Sunday's races. Some scary "Get-Off's" that day! > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=45730&a=684395 Yup, one of those scary get-offs was me. Im the guy in the white leathers and black bike, with the pink bike in the foreground. You can pretty much tell in that first picture where my collar bone broke. Dave Cross CCS #416 FZR400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 20 23:11:44 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04644 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id XAA12554; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:11:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: FZR400 cc: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Busted Collar Bone - Bike OK In-Reply-To: <001a63924021599FE2@mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David... I'm glad you don't remeber the part where you got run over! I wasn't racing this weekend due to a slightly mangled bike, and was watching from the bleachers between 4 and 5. A guy wrecked in 4... low sided into the wall, got up, looked fine. You came around, and I thought you had fixated on the first guy because you ran wide and into the grass just past where he was down. If you look on the picture page at the photo before the one of you and the pink bike, that's the first wreck. Anyway... you go down, and slide out into the entrance of turn 5 right in front of an approaching rider! He was hard on the brakes, into you, then down. The second and third pics show this rider coming back to see if you're ok. I'm glad to hear you weren't seriously injured, it was a bad weekend for a lot of folks. - Brian Roach WERA #699 On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, David Cross wrote: > Someone posted some pics from the Summit Weekend and guess who made it in? > Me and my crash between 4 and 5. My series starts with me crashing in the > dirt and a pink 400 in the foreground about mid way down the page. Its > pretty obvious how my collar bone broke in that first picture. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=45730&a=684395 > > Dave Cross > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to fzr400-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with > your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 02:37:50 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08614 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990921064054.10855.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:40:54 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:40:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Sc-cycles raves results... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This was a CCS weekend, so I wasn't there... heard the new pavement was pretty sweet too... lots of big crashes though, including a good friend who was in a starting line crash resulting in two broken shoulder blades, both lungs collapsed, broken ribs, broken C7 vertibrae, and lot of other stuff.... still medically sedated out of conciousness... but the outlook is not that bad.. supposed to start bringing him around over the next few days... Saw Fary F's pics, and I wish that I were there!!! Looks cool to no longer see those ripples out of 6 and through 7! CT === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 02:48:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA08770 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA25564 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04827 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990921064812.21671.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:48:12 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The other valkyrie rider made some good comments, but I have to disagree with a bit of what he said... part of the wobble is most definitely going to be from frame flex, but he said that it was not a factor of the suspension cause you aren't going up and down.... well... here's what's happening... The rear damping (both compression and rebound) are week, so the rear loads up, as it does this the front end unloads some. Then it reverses.. since the rear damping is too low, the spring force rockets the suspension back to the uncompressed position, at the same time the front end loads back up...The wobble is going to be worst when you reach that certain range of speed which corresponds to the natural frequency of the system. At this point, the oscillations will get pretty big... Oh well.. bottom line is, there isn't a lot you can do to the frame (that's pretty or cheap)...tire pressure will help a tad, but then you give up comfort and grip under certain circumstances.... that leaves you with the shocks. If you want the bike to perform doing those kinds of rides, you'll have to invest in the suspension.. but in the grand scheme of things, it's relatively cheap...WP makes good shocks at reasonable prices (ask Mike J.) and there are a host of others that are reasonably priced.... or hey.. go for an ohlins or penske if ya got the cash!! ;-) Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 06:51:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA13522 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA26583 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA10662 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rQMa011201 (4461); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <434ac6d.2518bd28@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:51:20 EDT Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/21/99 2:55:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << If you want the bike to perform doing those kinds of rides, you'll have to invest in the suspension.. but in the grand scheme of things, it's relatively cheap...WP makes good shocks at reasonable prices (ask Mike J.) and there are a host of others that are reasonably priced.... or hey.. go for an ohlins or penske if ya got the cash!! ;-) >> Unfortunately, that is not the case when a bike has a big heavy engine in a less than rigid (for the weight of the engine frame). While a different bike the H-1 Kawasaki (500 2-stroke triple) had the same wobble (and a very flexible frame) in fast corners when I raced one. The stiffer you made the suspension in compression (no rebound dampening adjustment in those days) the more force is exerted on the frame and more frame flex is induced. Compression dampening would have the same effect on the frame, the restriction on decompression is transferred to frame. Many racers just tightened down the steering dampener all the way which eliminated the wobble but induced a slow weave which occured on the straights which they thought was easier to control. Of course, one could get lucky and find that point where a combination of very rigid suspension combined with frame flex become the optimal set-up, but that's a 1 in a million shot. The manufacturers were not too successful when they tried to create "controlled flex" in frames a few years ago and have gone back to increased rigidity. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 07:58:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14545 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26729 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11541 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-84.patriot.net [209.249.180.84]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA31913; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:58:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37E77176.EA20C846@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:52:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike wobble References: <434ac6d.2518bd28@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo, Fred, you should have tried a 750 Kawi triple - the ultimite in bad handling go-fast machines. The 250 triple was a sloppy ride also. Never tried a Water Buffalo. But those triples did have a neat idle sound - crackata-crackata-crackata... Bill Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Unfortunately, that is not the case when a bike has a big heavy engine in a > less than rigid (for the weight of the engine frame). While a different bike > the H-1 Kawasaki (500 2-stroke triple) had the same wobble (and a very > flexible frame) in fast corners when I raced one. The stiffer you made the > suspension in compression (no rebound dampening adjustment in those days) the > more force is exerted on the frame and more frame flex is induced. > Compression dampening would have the same effect on the frame, the > restriction on decompression is transferred to frame. Many racers just > tightened down the steering dampener all the way which eliminated the wobble > but induced a slow weave which occured on the straights which they thought > was easier to control. > > Of course, one could get lucky and find that point where a combination of > very rigid suspension combined with frame flex become the optimal set-up, but > that's a 1 in a million shot. The manufacturers were not too successful when > they tried to create "controlled flex" in frames a few years ago and have > gone back to increased rigidity. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 08:08:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14721 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26764 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA11680 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-84.patriot.net [209.249.180.84]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA32613; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:08:18 -0400 Message-ID: <37E773DE.C4AB285B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:02:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike wobble References: <19990921064812.21671.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's my plan - new shocks/springs. Progressive Suspension? Any slams or kudos on those shocks? I got a same-day email response from PS on what I needed for my scoot based on how I rode it, which is apparently to briskly for the OEM sponges. Relitively cheap is right - maybe $300 for a F/R fix. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > Oh well.. bottom line is, there isn't a lot you can do to the frame > (that's pretty or cheap)...tire pressure will help a tad, but then you > give up comfort and grip under certain circumstances.... that leaves > you with the shocks. If you want the bike to perform doing those kinds > of rides, you'll have to invest in the suspension.. but in the grand > scheme of things, it's relatively cheap...WP makes good shocks at > reasonable prices (ask Mike J.) and there are a host of others that are > reasonably priced.... or hey.. go for an ohlins or penske if ya got the > cash!! ;-) > > Collin > > === > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 08:27:32 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15078 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:27:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199909210827.AA108069198@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: The strangest road hazard I've ever seen ... X-Mailer: Since Lee Barker said his spirits were lifted by the "Winter Air" thread, I thought I'd try to start an interesting thread myself -- what is the strangest thing you've ever seen in the road? (No fair mentioning strange cagers, they're everywhere). My contribution -- A large, wooden, very nice quality office desk. Sitting in the middle of the lane. I half expected to see John Cleese pop up from behind it and announce "And now for something completely different." -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 08:27:58 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15081 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA08112 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:27:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990920155346.006a6c68@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:53:46 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Helmet question In-Reply-To: <015901bf038c$438a38e0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> References: <19990920163432.E8AD814538C@beach.silcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone on the list know of a local shop which carries the Shoei Synchrotec helmet in stock? I'd like to try one, but hesitate to mail order one without even being able to try one one. Failing that, do any list members have one? If so, what are your feelings about it, especially in terms of noise. Thanks, Bob '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 08:44:35 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15328 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:44:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199909210844.AA209125678@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , JOE NAGY Subject: Agressive Driver Imaging, was Re: **RIDE FOR KIDS RAISED OVER $100,000** -Reply X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JOE NAGY Amy and I were there--what a great day. By the way, what's the deal with the "Agressive Driver Imaging" signs in Maryland? ---------- It's a van full of fancy equipment such as video and still camera recorders, and laser rangefinders -- all hooked together with PC's. It's supposed to be used to target aggressive drivers - lane changing, tailgating, cutting people off. It showed up in the newspaper just once that I know of, after its intial fielding. They said they were having a few minor problems, and hadn't used it to write any tickets or warnings. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 08:52:19 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15474 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:52:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199909210852.AA68747596@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Helmet question X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bob Meyer Does anyone on the list know of a local shop which carries the Shoei Synchrotec helmet in stock? I'd like to try one, but hesitate to mail order one without even being able to try one one. ---------- Bob's BMW has them. There's been a problem getting the largest size (XXL, I think) - apparently Shoei didn't make enough of them. The Synchrotec's chin bar fits very close to your chin, according to the people I've spoken with who have it. I tried on the 2nd biggest size, and could easily kiss the chin bar -- I didn't like that. Bob's also has the Nolan flip-front. It just didn't fit my head shape, and the way if sat on my head, my jaw was visible below the chin bar. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 08:55:11 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15487 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-84.patriot.net [209.249.180.84]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03969; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:54:53 -0400 Message-ID: <37E77EC0.33D08746@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:49:04 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Meyer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet question References: <19990920163432.E8AD814538C@beach.silcom.com> <3.0.3.32.19990920155346.006a6c68@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Might try Motorcycle Consumers News website - they had a helmet test RE noise, wieght, etc there, but I'm not sure if the Syncrotec was one of them. Bill Bob Meyer wrote: > Does anyone on the list know of a local shop which carries the Shoei > Synchrotec helmet in stock? I'd like to try one, but hesitate to mail order > one without even being able to try one one. > > Failing that, do any list members have one? If so, what are your feelings > about it, especially in terms of noise. > > Thanks, > > Bob > '92 ST1100 > ===================================================== > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, > because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 09:01:21 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15653 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-84.patriot.net [209.249.180.84]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04664; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:01:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37E78033.F06AB20@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:55:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: The strangest road hazard I've ever seen ... References: <199909210827.AA108069198@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not that strange - a very large (for VA) deer head with a helluva rack. Road kill as there was a gory smear before the head. And a boat, the usual 19' I/O amatuer boater boat. Also cued by a streak of ground off glass and gel coat. The trailer was splatted on the jersey barrier. The tow vehicle was a 1/4 mile down on the shoulder with a crying driver. Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > Since Lee Barker said his spirits were lifted by the "Winter Air" thread, I thought I'd try to start an interesting thread myself -- what is the strangest thing you've ever seen in the road? (No fair mentioning strange cagers, they're everywhere). > > My contribution -- > A large, wooden, very nice quality office desk. Sitting in the middle of the lane. I half expected to see John Cleese pop up from behind it and announce "And now for something completely different." > > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 09:15:42 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15890 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Tue, 21 Sep 99 13:15:28 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa005OG; Tue, 21 Sep 99 13:15:20 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:15:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: The strangest road hazard I've ever seen ... Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:15:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Not really all that strange, but Collin and I came across one of those really big hay rolls sitting just past the exit on a blind-corner... he almost hit the damn thing. The roll covered practically the entire road.... Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 09:23:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15989 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27141 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:22:58 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA13485 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6TPF078NKa (4328); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <766f0ed2.2518e0b4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:23:00 EDT Subject: Re: All New Summit Point Pictures! To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/20/1999 10:30:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@XXXXXX writes: << > Here are the pictures from Sunday's races. Some scary "Get-Off's" that day! > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=45730&a=684395 Yup, one of those scary get-offs was me. Im the guy in the white leathers and black bike, with the pink bike in the foreground. You can pretty much tell in that first picture where my collar bone broke. Dave Cross CCS #416 FZR400 >> Oooccchh!!!! Oooouuuccchhhhh!!!! I felt that right through the computer. Hope you're doing OK. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 09:27:47 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16077 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA92334 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37E787BD.E0B29135@radix.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:27:25 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: The strangest road hazard I've ever seen ... References: <199909210827.AA108069198@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > what is the strangest thing you've ever seen in the road? About 7 or 8 years ago, Beltway, outer loop, at Braddock road - caught a glimpse of a jeep coming to an abrupt stop on the other side of the beltway. It became immediately obvious why, it was leaning hard on driver's side front. Just about then the driver's front wheel & tire came bouncing over the jersey wall. By the time I managed to mouth 'holy $H**', it had bounced W A Y over me & harmlessly off the outer loop into the weeds. Miraculously, it struck nobody... yikes. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 09:46:05 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16480 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4VRNa03529 (4328); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8e19a293.2518e5de@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:45:02 EDT Subject: Re: The strangest road hazard I've ever seen ... To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/21/1999 8:34:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << My contribution -- A large, wooden, very nice quality office desk. Sitting in the middle of the lane. I half expected to see John Cleese pop up from behind it and announce "And now for something completely different." >> I see your desk and raise you a 2 toilets. While driving with my parents, heading back to PA, a truck riding in the middle lane lost two toilets. They were stacked on the top and not strapped in. Made a nice white porcelain splat on the road. So watch out everyone. They just jump out of nowhere. You never know when you could become the victim of a drive-by commoding. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 09:46:55 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16483 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:46:53 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6YMY0H62WV (4328); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:46:05 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet question To: rmeyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/21/1999 8:34:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rmeyer@XXXXXX writes: << Failing that, do any list members have one? If so, what are your feelings about it, especially in terms of noise. Thanks, Bob >> Todd, he's all yours. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:04:58 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16737 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA05698 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:04:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990921095839.006b03e4@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:58:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Helmet question In-Reply-To: <37E77EC0.33D08746@patriot.net> References: <19990920163432.E8AD814538C@beach.silcom.com> <3.0.3.32.19990920155346.006a6c68@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to all for the information. Bob >Bob Meyer wrote: > >> Does anyone on the list know of a local shop which carries the Shoei >> Synchrotec helmet in stock? I'd like to try one, but hesitate to mail order >> one without even being able to try one one. >> >> Failing that, do any list members have one? If so, what are your feelings >> about it, especially in terms of noise. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bob >> '92 ST1100 >> ===================================================== >> People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, >> because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:04:56 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16734 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA05668 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:04:50 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990921095531.006adce4@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:55:31 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Helmet question In-Reply-To: <199909210852.AA68747596@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris Norloff wrote: >Bob's BMW has them. There's been a problem getting the largest size (XXL, I think) - apparently Shoei didn't make enough of them. The Synchrotec's chin bar fits very close to your chin, according to the people I've spoken with who have it. I tried on the 2nd biggest size, and could easily kiss the chin bar -- I didn't like that. > >Bob's also has the Nolan flip-front. It just didn't fit my head shape, and the way if sat on my head, my jaw was visible below the chin bar. > Thanks, Chris! Bob '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:07:11 1999 Return-Path: dave@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16823 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11TQZH-000419-00; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:06:51 -0400 Received: from david500 ([209.70.174.26]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21281; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01bf043b$95d1cf00$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: "FZR400" Cc: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" References: Subject: Re: Busted Collar Bone - Bike OK Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:14:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Brian, > I'm glad you don't remeber the part where you got run over! I have no recolection of being run over at all. Someone said I was but I didnt believe it becuase I thought for sure that I would be much more injured than I was. But now since you saw it I must have been and that explains the other downed bike in the photos. > I wasn't racing this weekend due to a slightly mangled bike, and was > watching from the bleachers between 4 and 5. Apperantly a good place to watch all the action on this weekend. > A guy wrecked in 4... low sided into the wall, got up, looked fine. You > came around, and I thought you had fixated on the first guy because you > ran wide and into the grass just past where he was down. I didnt see his crash. I think the rider on the pink bike may have seen it and slowed down and I hit the brakes hard to avoid hitting him, which stood my bike up and took me into the grass. Thats when I first saw the rider and bike from the crash you mentioned against the wall and was trying to aviod him while slowing my bike down enough to not cross back onto the track. > He was hard on the brakes, into you, then down. Glad I dont remember that. > I'm glad to hear you weren't seriously injured, it was a bad weekend for a > lot of folks. Yes, compared to Brian Clark I am very lucky and have only relatively minor injuries. Im typing this from my office at work, in very little pain, nursing a borken collar bone. My safety gear worked great and the cornerworkers and ambulance crew did an outstanding job. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:07:53 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16826 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:07:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199909211007.AA140247174@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Helmet question X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bob Meyer Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:53:46 -0400 >Does anyone on the list know of a local shop which carries the Shoei >Synchrotec helmet in stock? I'd like to try one, but hesitate to mail >order one without even being able to try one one. Bob, Coleman PoserSport has them. I tried on a XL Synchrotec - it felt wonderful, amazing, comfortable, sweet. The single latch opening mechanism worked well, much better than the double latch on my Nolan. Then I looked at the price tag. After I picked myself up off the floor, I jammed on my now suddenly uncomfortable, ill-fitting, sweaty, well-used Nolan flipface and went home. The Shoei was a wonderful helmet, but at around $479 (I think, I believe I lost consciousness for a moment) for one, I'll suffer with the Nolan for a while longer. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:21:07 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17084 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20146 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004401bf043c$c8361680$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <19990920163432.E8AD814538C@beach.silcom.com> <3.0.3.32.19990920155346.006a6c68@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> Subject: Re: Helmet question Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:20:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My wife just got a "duotech" from Morton's BMW in Spotsy County. They have them on sale for $200. They also have the new "syncrotech" but they are about $400. The word I have heard from a particular supplier at Dixie Cycle is that they are a much better helmet, but they are both DOT approved. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Meyer To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 3:53 PM Subject: Helmet question > Does anyone on the list know of a local shop which carries the Shoei > Synchrotec helmet in stock? I'd like to try one, but hesitate to mail order > one without even being able to try one one. > > Failing that, do any list members have one? If so, what are your feelings > about it, especially in terms of noise. > > Thanks, > > > Bob > '92 ST1100 > ===================================================== > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, > because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:21:48 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17087 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:21:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: All New Summit Point Pictures! Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:21:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) That wasn't even one of the bad ones (though it certainly was close). I watched an RS125 high-side going into T1, and the rider was run over by some big Ducati 900. Then there was Brian Clarke :( I watched an expert high-side himself on the exit of T5 - went right over the front of his bike, and ened up in the middle of the track, right in everyone's way.. though he got away un-injured...... Was a bad weekend for crashes, and it was predicted. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > Oooccchh!!!! Oooouuuccchhhhh!!!! I felt that right through > the computer. > Hope you're doing OK. > > Scooter > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:31:55 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17255 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C837@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, JOE NAGY Subject: RE: Aggressive Driver Imaging, was Re: **RIDE FOR KIDS RAISED OVE R $100,000** -Reply Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:33:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) A co-worker just got one of these warnings maybe three weeks ago. He said they had a picture of the front and rear of his vehicle, along with lane changing and that he was going 10 MPH over the limit. Of course what does he drive??? An SUV. Glenn >It's a van full of fancy equipment such as video and still camera recorders, and >laser rangefinders -- all hooked together with PC's. It's supposed to be used to >target aggressive drivers - lane changing, tailgating, cutting people off. >It showed up in the newspaper just once that I know of, after its intial >fielding. They said they were having a few minor problems, and hadn't used it to >write any tickets or warnings. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:42:16 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17429 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:41:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199909211041.AA326041938@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Aggressive Driver Imaging, was Re: **RIDE FOR KIDS RAISED OVE X-Mailer: Merely going 10mph over and changing lanes doesn't seem to be worthy of police action -- was there something else? Or is this something like a "2 strikes and you're out" kind of thing? Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:33:12 -0400 A co-worker just got one of these warnings maybe three weeks ago. He said they had a picture of the front and rear of his vehicle, along with lane changing and that he was going 10 MPH over the limit. Of course what does he drive??? An SUV. Glenn >It's a van full of fancy equipment such as video and still camera recorders, and >laser rangefinders -- all hooked together with PC's. It's supposed to be used to >target aggressive drivers - lane changing, tailgating, cutting people off. >It showed up in the newspaper just once that I know of, after its intial >fielding. They said they were having a few minor problems, and hadn't used it to >write any tickets or warnings. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:52:02 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17595 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id KAA13852 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990921105311.007c9c60@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:53:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: boots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For any women on the list, Rockville HD has Ariat boots marked way down in price. I picked up a pair last night for under $42. For those of you who are not familiar with Ariat they make boots geared towards horseback riding but do really well for motorcycle riding (good leather, non-skid soles) The women in my women's riding group all swear by theirs. Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 10:55:00 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17618 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:54:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567F3.005222EC ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:57:08 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "McCoy Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Message-ID: <852567F3.00522073.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:51:16 -0400 Subject: RE: All New Summit Point Pictures! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline What does that mean, it was predicted? Because the track was new? I'm confused... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "McCoy Brian NAB02" on 09/21/99 10:21:32 AM To: "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: All New Summit Point Pictures! Was a bad weekend for crashes, and it was predicted. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:03:46 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (ww187.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.87]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17800 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12874 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 1999 15:03:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990921150335.12873.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 for [162.70.129.217] via web-mailer(M3.3.0.77) on Tue Sep 21 15:03:35 GMT 1999 Date: 21 Sep 99 11:03:35 EDT From: LindaT To: dc Subject: A blonde moment X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.0.77) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been having waaaay too many of these lately and yesterday was just another example... (and I'm not even blonde) I rode my new KLR to work yesterday as the CBR is having more electrical problems (GRRRRRR). Anyway, in case anyone has forgotten, this is the br= and new bike that still does not have a working speedo/odo. I bought a bike computer for it, but I haven't had time to get it installed. I left home= thinking, 'Hmmmm, how much gas DO I have?', but didn't do anything about = it, thinking I would just switch to reserve when the inevitable happened. We= ll, the inevitable DID happen, but, guess what? I was already on reserve. I= think some of my friendly local kids must have switched it (they've done = it before), so I was dead on the FFX County Parkway at 7pm last night. I got off, realized what doo-doo I was in and started pushing the bike. = It's really very light, but I had to go 8 miles, so it wasn't really practical= =2E I gave up pretty quick, and was about to call one of my neighbors, when a g= uy in a pick up stopped for me. All the while I was screwing with the bike, hundreds of cars went by (and one BIKE!), so I thought I was pretty much = on my own. This guy (who I'll refer to as Knight-in-shining-armor #1 or KISA1)= went off to get me gas. I sat patiently on the side of the road. Then, anoth= er pick up stops and this guy actually has gas. He offers, I accept and the= bike is running. So, now I need to wait for KISA1 to return, so I can thank h= im profusely and then go home. Then a SUV stops and a woman gets out. I tel= l her the story, she says she's a rider too (radian, I think). I thank her for= stopping and she leaves. I'm still waiting for KISA1. Then another truc= k stops and I tell him the story. He decides to wait with me and we discus= s the fact that probably everyone who stopped was also a rider (theory confirme= d when KISA1 returned). And the rider who went by must have been a Yamaha = (his theory, not mine). It might have been a Beemer, I didn't get a good look= =2E = All in all, a good experience and I sincerely thank all those kind souls = who stopped to give me hand. They collected a fistful of good karma points. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle = http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:04:38 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from eml01.usace.army.mil (eml01.usace.army.mil [137.161.233.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17813 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eml01.usace.army.mil; Tue, 21 Sep 99 15:04:14 +0000 Received: from (137.161.200.222), mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil via SMTP by eml01, id smtpdAAAa005WX; Tue, 21 Sep 99 15:04:08 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:04:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Helmet question Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:04:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Ok, spam time once again - If you find a Helmet, Leathers, Gloves, Boots.. basically, any gear you can imagine, and you think the price is a bit to much, and you want to do better... please, by all means get intouch with Duane Grifith of Dixie Cycles. Phone is 318.368.3100 - e-mail = aloetran@XXXXXX Duane said he could get the Synchrotec for $310~320 shipped, and has a few close-out Duotechs for $200 As always, if you give him a call abotu these things, just mention you got the number from Brian McCoy or DC-Cycles Racing.. :) All it does is help everyone (you get a deal, *I* get a deal, he sells more stuff) Thanks, Brian > -----Original Message----- Then I looked at the price tag. > > > Dale > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:05:39 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17902 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Tue Sep 21 05:51:21 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:49:44 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28FA@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Bob Meyer'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet question Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:47:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, I seem to recall seeing them in the Coleman (no relation) Powersports (Falls Church) the last time I was in there. That was a while back, though. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Bob Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 3:54 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Helmet question Does anyone on the list know of a local shop which carries the Shoei Synchrotec helmet in stock? I'd like to try one, but hesitate to mail order one without even being able to try one one. Failing that, do any list members have one? If so, what are your feelings about it, especially in terms of noise. Thanks, Bob '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:06:39 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17923 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-122-20.s274.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.122.20]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id LAA03351 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004c01bf0421$bff1f400$9ca9fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "'dc'" Subject: Summit Point /Bad crashes and the willies Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:09:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In retrospect, maybe my heebie jeebies were well founded. Several guys seemed to have problems exiting 5, and I'm not sure why. My bike never acted funny there. I did hit a false neutral going into 10 (mighta been my fault) and the bike simply popped out of gear once headed into 4. That really made me mad as it was so unpredictable, and eroded my confidence in the bike. Was just a weird weekend all around. I couldn't quite place it, but I think it was the worst weekend of the year for accidents. Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 To: 'dc' Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:28 PM Subject: RE: All New Summit Point Pictures! >That wasn't even one of the bad ones (though it certainly was close). I >watched an RS125 high-side going into T1, and the rider was run over by some >big Ducati 900. > >Then there was Brian Clarke > >I watched an expert high-side himself on the exit of T5 - went right over >the front of his bike, and ened up in the middle of the track, right in >everyone's way.. though he got away un-injured...... > >Was a bad weekend for crashes, and it was predicted. > >Brian > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Oooccchh!!!! Oooouuuccchhhhh!!!! I felt that right through >> the computer. >> Hope you're doing OK. >> >> Scooter >> > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:07:06 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17925 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Tue Sep 21 06:02:16 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:01:50 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B28FB@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Agressive Driver Imaging, was Re: **RIDE FOR KIDS RAISED OVER $100,000** -Reply Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:58:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Speaking of imaging systems. Did anyone notice the article in Saturday's Post? Apparently, the 5 red light cameras in DC have been so effective, they're getting something like 35 more. I think initially they're getting another dozen or so. They listed the locations where they would be installed. Here's the interesting part: $75.00 fine and 2 points. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 8:45 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; JOE NAGY Subject: Agressive Driver Imaging, was Re: **RIDE FOR KIDS RAISED OVER $100,000** -Reply ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JOE NAGY Amy and I were there--what a great day. By the way, what's the deal with the "Agressive Driver Imaging" signs in Maryland? ---------- It's a van full of fancy equipment such as video and still camera recorders, and laser rangefinders -- all hooked together with PC's. It's supposed to be used to target aggressive drivers - lane changing, tailgating, cutting people off. It showed up in the newspaper just once that I know of, after its intial fielding. They said they were having a few minor problems, and hadn't used it to write any tickets or warnings. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:30:00 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (lapblue.mclean.mcri.com [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18329 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:29:42 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA24703 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:27:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199909211527.LAA24703@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:26:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: In addition to the Aprilia 50cc.... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Hi all, We had some discussion on the list last week about the 50cc aprilia a fellow lister had bought, and I thought it was worth mentioning Cagiva ( a subsidiary of Ducati) also has a 50cc'er available in the US. http://www.cagivausa.com/Body.html Look under 99 models "Mito 50" >From what i have heard from some of my Italian friends, the 2 stroke Cagivas are just as good- if not preferred in small bore "go fast' racing circles in Italy... They are available in 50cc,125, and 250 just like the aprilias. In addition to having scooter registration status, it could also be raced against the aprilia in the 50cc class. What was the consensus among the YSR racers? Are these legal? I wish these were around when I was a teenager...... -John N From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:30:11 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18403 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:29:21 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:29:16 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:29:42 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Agressive Driver Imaging, was Re: **RIDE FOR KIDS RAISED OVER $100,000** -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Also useful would be "Clueless Cell-Phone Talking Drivers Imaging" Joe >>> "Chris Norloff" - 9/21/99 8:44 AM >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JOE NAGY Amy and I were there--what a great day. By the way, what's the deal with the "Agressive Driver Imaging" signs in Maryland? ---------- It's a van full of fancy equipment such as video and still camera recorders, and laser rangefinders -- all hooked together with PC's. It's supposed to be used to target aggressive drivers - lane changing, tailgating, cutting people off. It showed up in the newspaper just once that I know of, after its intial fielding. They said they were having a few minor problems, and hadn't used it to write any tickets or warnings. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:31:46 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18422 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17525 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FIF00I011R8N5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FIF00I2J1QSA8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:31:11 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:29:36 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: boots To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020AC94B@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT How are flexible are these boots? I ride a great deal with only the use of my toes - I can flat foot but not flat feet and at times have to damn near use the tops of my toes to backup the bike. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Goddard [SMTP:lisa@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:53 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: boots > > For any women on the list, Rockville HD has Ariat boots marked way down > in > price. I picked up a pair last night for under $42. For those of you who > are not familiar with Ariat they make boots geared towards horseback > riding > but do really well for motorcycle riding (good leather, non-skid soles) > The women in my women's riding group all swear by theirs. > Lisa Goddard > Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:34:55 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18450 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:34:06 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:33:49 -0400 Message-Id: <37E7A635.54C0B2C3@trw.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:37:29 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re:All New Summit Point Pictures! References: <852567F3.00522073.00@172.16.2.37> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was some concern that the track might be even more slippery than before, at least for a few days after the repaving until the asphalt cured. Some also thought that if the track wasn't slippery, the new grip would encourage unusually hairball riding, hence more crashing. Though there were a lot of crashes, I can't see where the new pavement had anything to do with any of them. Tim Morrow had a strange one in 5 that he couldn't explain, so maybe that one is down to the pavement, but other than that one all of the crashes I can think of were rider error (as in my case on Saturday) or really bad luck (like the broken chain on someone else's bike that caused Brian Clark's). All in all, the new pavement is a vast improvement. However, I echo Jonathan Broga's comment's about the quality of the job and about the quickness with which they let traffic (Legends Cars) on the new track. The ripples in 7 and 8 indicate that those things might come back to bite us. Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > What does that mean, it was predicted? Because the track was new? I'm > confused... > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > "McCoy Brian NAB02" on 09/21/99 10:21:32 AM > > To: "'dc'" > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: RE: All New Summit Point Pictures! > > Was a bad weekend for crashes, and it was predicted. > > Brian -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:40:51 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18542 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4FEZ0BVtTJ (4544); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:39:52 EDT Subject: speaking of surveillance video... To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 whats with channel 9's "remote camera" ads I've seen lately??? They claim to have remote cameras placed around the metro area to better report on traffic, crime, etc .... WHERE are these cameras? is this even legal? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:42:28 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18618 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.85] (user-2iveo2l.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.85]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08423 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909211542.LAA08423@smtp4.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:37:43 -0400 Subject: Re: The strangest road hazard I've ever seen ... From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > My contribution -- > A large, wooden, very nice quality office desk. Sitting in the middle of > the lane. I half expected to see John Cleese pop up from behind it and > announce "And now for something completely different." Two things, in Boston. 1. A parkway filled with chickens. A chicken truck had crashed and they all got out. Chickens everywhere, running around the road, getting splattered. 2. I didn't see this, except on the news: similar deal but the cargo was scissors. Lots of people with flat tires. Ugly. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 11:51:22 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18798 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05298 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: In addition to the Aprilia 50cc.... In-Reply-To: <199909211527.LAA24703@bmdo.mcri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > In addition to having scooter registration status, it could > also be raced against the aprilia in the 50cc class. What > was the consensus among the YSR racers? Are these > legal? I don't see why they wouldn't be legal. I also doubt they'd be competitive on the types of tracks the YSRs run on (go cart tracks mostly). The YSRs have such short wheelbases and the go cart corners are so tight that it's really like scale racing... It sounds like the aprilia is practically full size (in a certain sense) and might be a bit big for YSR racing - but what do I know? :) The rulebook for the YSR racing is online somewhere. I can look up the URL if anyone's really interested. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 12:07:55 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19043 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id MAA00484; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990921120904.007cbc80@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:09:04 -0400 To: "John Whiteside" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: The strangest road hazard I've ever seen ... In-Reply-To: <199909211542.LAA08423@smtp4.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kegs! Lots of Kegs on 495 at Rt. 50 in Va around June 1994. >Two things, in Boston. > >1. A parkway filled with chickens. A chicken truck had crashed and they all >got out. Chickens everywhere, running around the road, getting splattered. > >2. I didn't see this, except on the news: similar deal but the cargo was >scissors. Lots of people with flat tires. Ugly. > >--- >John Whiteside >whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 12:08:26 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19057 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:07:40 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:07:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:07:59 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: speaking of surveillance video... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Much cheaper than a helicopter! Joe >>> - 9/21/99 11:39 AM >>> whats with channel 9's "remote camera" ads I've seen lately??? They claim to have remote cameras placed around the metro area to better report on traffic, crime, etc .... WHERE are these cameras? is this even legal? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 12:17:05 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f188.hotmail.com [209.185.130.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19234 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 53250 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 1999 16:16:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19990921161630.53249.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.8.158.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:16:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.8.158.125] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In addition to the Aprilia 50cc.... Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:16:30 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From what i have heard from some of my Italian friends, >the 2 stroke Cagivas are just as good- if not preferred in >small bore "go fast' racing circles in Italy. Noo! (after spending a lot of money on something, you tend to go into denial about other things being better..) >In addition to having scooter registration status, it could >also be raced against the aprilia in the 50cc class. What >was the consensus among the YSR racers? Are these >legal? great, now i actually have to *try* to win races on my aprilia ;) > >I wish these were around when I was a teenager...... well, being a teenager is nice, but the $4000 in debt isnt . --Karl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 12:51:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19806 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:51:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199909211251.AA349045010@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: LindaT , "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: A blonde moment X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: LindaT ...I left home thinking, 'Hmmmm, how much gas DO I have?', but didn't do anything about it, thinking I would just switch to reserve when the inevitable happened. Well, the inevitable DID happen, but, guess what? I was already on reserve. ------------ I've done that. I'll never forget the " oh - s*** " feeling of reaching for the fuel valve only to find out it's already on reserve. Really glad to hear about the numerous folks stopping to check on you. Re-affirms my faith in human nature ... many humans, anyway! -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 12:54:41 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19846 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:54:39 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA02384; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:52:48 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027331; Tue, 21 Sep 99 12:46:39 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIF005UB5F6B3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F3.005C09F6 ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:45:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:45:09 -0400 Subject: RE: boots To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F3.005C06C8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I just spoke to my sister, a horse rider, about this to let her know. She said Ariat was founded by women who were previously working for an athletic shoe maker. The boots are supposed to be very comfortable. Flexible, I don't know, but I would think that would be hand in hand with comfortable. She too was impressed by the price. Chris Weaver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Date: 09/21/99 03:29:36 PM GMT Subject: RE: boots How are flexible are these boots? I ride a great deal with only the use of my toes - I can flat foot but not flat feet and at times have to damn near use the tops of my toes to backup the bike. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 12:58:13 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19960 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:57:48 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C83B@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Aggressive Driver Imaging, was Re: **RIDE FOR KIDS RAISED OVE Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:59:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Don't know the details, I wasn't there. I was just taking his word for it. Glenn >Merely going 10mph over and changing lanes doesn't seem to be worthy of police >action -- was there something else? Or is this something like a "2 strikes and >you're out" kind of thing? From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 13:22:44 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20452 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud7b8 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02312 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <030601bf0455$98333fd0$5e5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Dynameter Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:20:25 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Where is a good place to get my bike dynoed in this area? I live in Annandale, but don't mind riding a reasonable distance to get it done correctly/accurately/cheaply. I want to see what my torque and HP curves look like, as well as what my max outputs are. Kirt 1999 CBR 600F4 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 13:58:36 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21160 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-122-20.s274.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.122.20]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA13587 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009e01bf0439$c6018aa0$9ca9fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: Dynameter Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:01:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 The 2 I know of are Fast Lane and Battley. Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 -----Original Message----- From: Kirt S. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 5:30 PM Subject: Dynameter >Where is a good place to get my bike dynoed in this area? I live in >Annandale, but don't mind riding a reasonable distance to get it done >correctly/accurately/cheaply. I want to see what my torque and HP curves >look like, as well as what my max outputs are. > >Kirt >1999 CBR 600F4 > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 14:04:44 1999 Return-Path: ttboye@XXXXXX Received: from web1301.mail.yahoo.com (web1301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21277 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990921181603.24929.rocketmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.174] by web1301.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:16:03 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Theodore T. Boye" Subject: Re: Dynameter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ----ksenser@XXXXXX wrote:------- >Where is a good place to get my bike dynoed in this >area? I live in Annandale, but don't mind riding a >reasonable distance to get it done >correctly/accurately/cheaply. Try Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly. >I want to see what my >torque and HP curves look like, Similar to an upside down 'J', on a slant to the right. >as well as what my >max outputs are. For that you don't need a dyno....just stick your thumb up your ass, hold your breath, and blow. >Kirt >1999 CBR 600F4 Toodles, Theodore __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 14:16:32 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21546 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA00256 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:16:22 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:16:22 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: List-dc cycles Subject: RE: A blonde moment Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:16:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Well, the inevitable DID happen, but, guess what? I was already on reserve.< Been there, done that - on 495 near telegraph road in the left lane. Managed to get across the beltway and coast down to the exit to a gas station. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 14:33:57 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21805 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-122-20.s274.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.122.20]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA15975 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a501bf043e$b616e360$9ca9fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: A blonde moment at Summit Point Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:36:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I once ran out of gas in a race headed down into turn five. I coasted red-faced into the infield to a corner station. Over the roar of the passing race I asked him to signal me when the white flag came out, as I planned on turning the bike to reserve and heading out for the last lap to avoid a DNF. I got the signal, made the switch, and gunned it with all the power and fury a rat bike EX can muster. For about 300 yards. I coasted out of ten like an airplane with engine trouble in the cartoons. Bzzzz.......Bzzzzzzt. ..............bzzzzzzzt. I had switched from "on" to "off" and missed reserve entirely. Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 16:24:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23847 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29969 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:24:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04158 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1YGNa04716 (4255); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <29a6019d.25194362@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:24:02 EDT Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/21/99 7:58:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << Yo, Fred, you should have tried a 750 Kawi triple >> I actually rode a friend's H2 racebike in practice. It handled worse (if that can be believed) but it was easier power delivery-wise. I went back to my Commando after half a season with the H1 realizing that in this instance it was preferable losing to maniacs on H1s while having fun mid-pack with my Commando. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 16:47:26 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24310 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-27.patriot.net [209.249.180.27]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA31961; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:47:00 -0400 Message-ID: <37E7ED6F.69358903@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:41:19 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speaking of surveillance video... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the newsie cams are fed off the VDOT cams. Look for a tall pole with a sort of cage rail on top. There's where the cameras be. They're kinda high up so you wouldn't notice them without looking for them. What's not legal about them? Anyone can take a pic in public of the public. Photojournalists have been doing it since cams were invented. Bill JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > whats with channel 9's "remote camera" ads I've seen lately??? > They claim to have remote cameras placed around the metro area to better > report on traffic, crime, etc .... WHERE are these cameras? is this even > legal? > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 16:53:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24459 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00108 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05189 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-27.patriot.net [209.249.180.27]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00450; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:53:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37E7EEF1.993BBB9E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:47:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike wobble References: <29a6019d.25194362@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit COMMANDO !!! *drool* Did you go to the national Norton Rally in Buena Vista VA this summer? I did. If I can find a Comando in basket case/despirate need of restoation, which should be within my toy budget, I'm there! Biil in need of a brit fix Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/21/99 7:58:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > << Yo, Fred, you should have tried a 750 Kawi triple >> > I actually rode a friend's H2 racebike in practice. It handled worse (if > that can be believed) but it was easier power delivery-wise. I went back to > my Commando after half a season with the H1 realizing that in this instance > it was preferable losing to maniacs on H1s while having fun mid-pack with my > Commando. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 17:03:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24656 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00209 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:03:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05581 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1XWBa25662 (4255); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20436d1.25194c87@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:03:03 EDT Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/21/99 4:53:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << COMMANDO !!! *drool* Did you go to the national Norton Rally in Buena Vista VA this summer? I did. If I can find a Comando in basket case/despirate need of restoation, which should be within my toy budget, I'm there! >> Didn;t make it to Rolling Thunder as the Norton rally is called (name stolen by the Harley folks) this year. I have a yellow Commando cafe racer that I sometimes take on group rides. Some of the folks on the list have seen it, makes alot of noise and offends the Harley guys, as it makes it difficult for them to hear their open exhausts. Open-reverse megaphones tend to make more and deeper noise than straight pipes. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 17:06:01 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24735 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:06:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id iAYGa09808 (4255); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1356fa4c.2519495d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:49:33 EDT Subject: Re: In addition to the Aprilia 50cc.... To: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/21/99 12:24:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, k_d_mueller@XXXXXX writes: << I wish these were around when I was a teenager...... >> Actually, when I was a teenager 50cc RR replicas were about 40% of the 50cc bikes 14-16 year olds rode in Italy. The popular brands were Benelli, Italjet, Fantic, Beta, Garelli, Malaguti, Bianchi, Mondial, Moto Guzzi, Gori and many others. These 50cc bikes were road raced in the 50cc class at local, regional and national road race events. I owned a Benelli and an Italjet myself at various times. Today, 70% of the 50cc two-wheelers are scooters with centrifugal clutches and no gears. You still see 14-16 year olds on the 50cc RRs but they are about 20 percent on the street compared to scooters, the rest are enduro/MX replicas on the street. The 50cc RRs have 4,5 and 6 speed transmissions and are really small-engined full-sized motorcycles, not mopeds or miniature bikes. Cagiva, which began its business by buying Aermacchi (for a while the Italian Harley subsidiary) was not in business when I was a teenager, but Aermacchi was better known for its horizontal cylinder 125, 250 and 350 4-stroke singles, which did well in roadracing. most of the 50cc bikes were 2-strokes with proprietary engines or Minarelli and other specialist motor manufacturers. Moto-Guzzi, Motom and I think Moto Morini produced 4-stroke 50s. Ciao, Fred Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 17:08:49 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24777 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id RAA26984; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990921170956.007a6b20@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:09:56 -0400 To: Bill Huson , JinnSinn@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: speaking of surveillance video... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <37E7ED6F.69358903@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MD cameras are all over... http://www.dpwt.com/jpgcap/camintro.html >I believe the newsie cams are fed off the VDOT cams. Look for a tall pole >with a sort of cage rail on top. >> whats with channel 9's "remote camera" ads I've seen lately??? >> They claim to have remote cameras placed around the metro area to better >> report on traffic, crime, etc .... WHERE are these cameras? is this even >> legal? >> >> Marcy > > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 17:13:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24876 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00319 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06086 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:13:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199909211713.AA482673010@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Bike wobble X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:47:45 -0400 >COMMANDO !!! *drool* Did you go to the national Norton Rally in Buena Vista VA this summer? I did. Bill, I was just down in Buena Vista this weekend, we were scouting it out for a Concours Owner's Group National rally next year. They were still talking about you Norton guys. You must've really impressed the locals. Horkster PS: Byoooonna Vista is GREAT! I can't wait for the National! -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 17:24:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25052 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00388 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06651 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-27.patriot.net [209.249.180.27]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05415; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:24:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37E7F622.A4906ED9@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:18:26 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike wobble References: <199909211713.AA482673010@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks there were about 400 down there at the campground. I camped on the field near the woods - overflow camping. It was quite fun. Dinner and kegs at the double decker pavilion or the main one every nite. Lots of easy access twisties and sights to see. They let me'n my Harley in `cause it leaks oil and has quirky electrical problems :-) Bill Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Bill Huson > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:47:45 -0400 > > >COMMANDO !!! *drool* Did you go to the national Norton Rally in Buena Vista VA > this summer? I did. > > Bill, > > I was just down in Buena Vista this weekend, we were scouting > it out for a Concours Owner's Group National rally next year. > They were still talking about you Norton guys. You must've > really impressed the locals. > > Horkster > > PS: Byoooonna Vista is GREAT! I can't wait for the National! > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 17:32:29 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25226 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990921214318.15518.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.70] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:43:18 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: summit predicted more crashes, high siding? To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can see how it would have been predicted, as you change a factor which was normally a constant and some riders might think the track surface performed the same, when actually it's different. probably less sliding, so more grip where they are used to sliding.. Someone was kind enough to post a link on roachies 250 ninja page of a list of links for safety tips, one of the subsequent links was about high siding, so I read up on that, and apparently grip plays a role in high siding. The writer wasn't too clear, but my take on it is, your rear wheel slides then catches the pavement with so much traction and force the rebounded energy throws you off the bike, and or sends the bike into an awkward tumble. So where riders might have been used to their bike sliding a little the wheel might catch and high side? Disclaimer: I'm probably wrong about something, and I'm sure a thread will start, and make it clear.. okay someone want to explain high siding again for me? Where I read about it, it was long winded and overly technichal with less than desirable drawings. Let the high siding thread begin! The writer suggested something like taking a low side over a high side is better, but I ask, how would one know they were surel going to high side? I'd hate to low side just because a high side MIGHT happen... and I'd also hate to be in a high side even more :) --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > What does that mean, it was predicted? Because the track was new? > I'm > confused... > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > "McCoy Brian NAB02" on > 09/21/99 10:21:32 AM > > > To: "'dc'" > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: RE: All New Summit Point Pictures! > > > > > > > Was a bad weekend for crashes, and it was predicted. > > Brian > > > > > > > === Daniel Aka ITM 92 kawasaki ninja (ex) 250 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 17:38:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25339 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00432 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:37:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA07237 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1RPNa07432 (4255); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <643d6152.25195454@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:36:20 EDT Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/21/99 5:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << They let me'n my Harley in `cause it leaks oil and has quirky electrical problems :-) >> No, they let you in because the Harley has a reliable headlight, a great asset to Norton riders at night when Lucas the Prince of Darkness comes out to harass brit bikes. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 18:02:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25864 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00594 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08144 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-27.patriot.net [209.249.180.27]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09523; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37E7FF1B.857C54D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:56:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike wobble References: <643d6152.25195454@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, you mean my Harley headlight that had fits of jumping back and forth from hi to lo beam? And the passing lamp that winks out on occassion? But you're right. Several dashed for the bikes when I was mounting mine and yelled Wait up! We'll follow you! How do you identify a brit computer in a room full of computers? It will be the one leaking oil. Bill Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/21/99 5:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > << They let me'n my Harley in `cause it leaks oil and has quirky electrical > problems :-) > >> > No, they let you in because the Harley has a reliable headlight, a great > asset to Norton riders at night when Lucas the Prince of Darkness comes out > to harass brit bikes. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 18:04:02 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from nabmail01.nab.usace.army.mil ([155.78.60.54]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25874 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NABMAIL01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:03:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: high siding? Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:03:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" you got the basics down.. the resr wheel slides out, then catches again.. when this happens, physics takes over. You, and your bike, want to continue in the direction you were going, the suspention loads up (rather quickly I might add), and then physics plays a really hurtfull card, and sends you in the direction you were previously traveling (more sideways than forward). Because the tires are sticking now (with all the downward force), you become like a pea in a spoon that's about to get flung across the room... High-siding sucks.. it hurts, trashes bikes and bones equally. Puts the rider in danger because all of a sudden, a 400lb bike is BEHIND you and closing FAST on your rapidly decelerating body... ugh. The worst part, is knowing that a high-side is coming on... because, you do know.. you can feel it in your soon to be battered bones. I've never lowsided, but the ones I've watched (plenty) have all be real quick.. the front tire gives and you're down.. or both tires give and you're down... never seen a lowside due to just the rear-tire sliding out (though I suspect it could happen in the rain, or on some other friction reducer) Moral of the story? DON'T crash! :) and if you think you might? wear some good gear (ask Collin F, or Jeff O, or myself... I think I'm the worse off with some bruised/broken ribs and a seperated shoulder) Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 18:13:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26039 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00647 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:13:01 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08375 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1AIXlV9ns_ (3956); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1abff383.25195ce1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:12:49 EDT Subject: Prince of Darkness (was re: Bike wobble) To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 >How do you identify a brit computer in a room full of computers? >It will be the one leaking oil. no, it's the one with the electrons going the wrong way. I have read a probably invented quote attributed to mr. Lucas that stated, "a gentleman does not venture out after dark." Colleen From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 18:15:39 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (x98A3A2D0.pix.aol.com [152.163.162.208]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26118 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA12619; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:15:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Daniel aka ITM cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: summit predicted more crashes, high siding? In-Reply-To: <19990921214318.15518.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Daniel aka ITM wrote: > I can see how it would have been predicted, as you change a factor > which was normally a constant and some riders might think the track > surface performed the same, when actually it's different. probably > less sliding, so more grip where they are used to sliding.. Actually, it has more to do with things like all your reference points having been paved over. We use things like cracks in the pavement, paint marks, and pavement discoloration to let us know when to turn in, brake, etc. Having these all removed makes things a little interesting. Without propper care, accidents are sure to ensue. > Someone was kind enough to post a link on roachies 250 ninja page > of a list of links for safety tips, one of the subsequent links > was about high siding, so I read up on that, and apparently grip > plays a role in high siding. The writer wasn't too clear, > but my take on it is, your rear wheel slides then catches the > pavement with so much traction and force the rebounded energy throws > you off the bike, and or sends the bike into an awkward tumble. As your rear wheel loses traction, it starts to slide. The correct response to this is to keep on the throttle and bring the bike up. As you transition onto more tire contact patch (You have much less while leaned over) the rear tire will hook up again, gradually. Because you slid, your bike is pointed more into the corner. You are able to decrease the lean angle, which gives you more contact patch, which allows you to apply more power and as the rear tire gains traction again you have a good drive out of the corner. This is how pro riders do it. If you're not a pro, and especially if you don't have a couple seasons of racing under your belt, the first thing your brain screams as the rear tire starts to slide is "CHOP THROTTLE". Sometimes, not listening to your brain is better. Keith Code refers to this as a "SR" or "Survival reaction". Unfortunatly, its the worst thing you can do... when you chop the throttle (Or even just roll off) the rear end hooks up immediatly and violently. The resulting catapult through the air is what is called a "high side". > So where riders might have been used to their bike sliding a little > the wheel might catch and high side? If the wheel's not sliding, it's not going to catch... A grippier track just allows you to carry more speed through the corner. Once traction is broken it won't catch unless you roll off throttle or decrease lean angle (This provided that the surface has a constant level of friction). > Disclaimer: I'm probably wrong about something, and I'm sure a thread > will start, and make it clear.. okay someone want to explain high > siding again for me? Where I read about it, it was long winded and > overly technichal with less than desirable drawings. Hope this qualifies :) > The writer suggested something like taking a low side over a high > side is better, but I ask, how would one know they were surel going > to high side? I'd hate to low side just because a high side MIGHT > happen... and I'd also hate to be in a high side even more :) Usually you don't see a high-side coming, but given a choice... I'd take the low-side. If you were to hit oil, for example, and the rear end is next to you with the front wheel at full lock... that would pretty much indicate a high-side in your future, and letting go of the bike might not be such a bad idea :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 18:17:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26140 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00660 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08486 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1PIVa19705 (4181); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1358699b.25195dc2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:16:34 EDT Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/21/99 6:02:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << How do you identify a brit computer in a room full of computers? It will be the one leaking oil. >> It amazes me how many motorcyclists criticize the oil leak design of British bikes. This was a design goal and actually limits the number of maintenance tasks. Oil changes are in fact optional as by replacing the oil that has leaked you are actually changing oil on a continuous basis. Until I fixed the crankshaft seal on the drive side of my Norton with an improved non-British seal, I lost enough oil into the primary drive case that oil changes were not required at all. As soon as I felt the clutch slip I knew that about a pint of oil had gotten from the engine to the primary case and was getting on the clutch plates. All I had to do was drain the primary and add a pint to the oil tank, no oil changes necessary. This design feature, which I recklessly fiddled with insured that I had a new quart of oil in the bike every 200 miles or so. With my silly improved seal it only leaks or burns or leaks a quart every 1000 miles or so, requiring me to change oil every year or so. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 18:44:07 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from nabmail01.nab.usace.army.mil ([155.78.60.54]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26564 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NABMAIL01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:43:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: tire traction.. Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:43:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Interesting summarization, but physics would say otherwise.. With your bike leaned over, and the contact patch on the side of the tire, it's feeling forces in 2 directions.. the first one is down, this is how you're able to still apply power to the ground, the second one is sideways (lateral) and this is what keeps you from sliding. On RADIAL tires (I'm not positive about bias-ply, though they should be very similar) - your contact patch changes so little as to be negligible (sourced from talking with some tire guys, like the vendors at the race-track, and over the internet). But that patch can only offer so much grip total.. you're splitting that grip between lateral and horizontal traction when leaned over.. at this point, it's easier to overpower the grip that's left and that's where a slide might appear... as you stand a bike up, you transfer more and more of that sideways traction to vertical.. thus the ability to deliver more power to the ground... this reason is why most good riders can be claimed to be good on the throttle.. they know where that limit is, and can feather back and forth over that edge.. enough to slide the rear to direct the front, but never let it get so out of shape as to cause trouble... Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] > As your rear wheel loses traction, it starts to slide. The correct > response to this is to keep on the throttle and bring the > bike up. As you > transition onto more tire contact patch (You have much less while > leaned over) the rear tire will hook up again, gradually. Because you > slid, your bike is pointed more into the corner. You are > able to decrease the lean angle, which gives you more contact patch, > which allows you to apply more power and as the rear tire > gains traction > again you have a good drive out of the corner. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 19:27:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27409 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00901 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10318 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-27.patriot.net [209.249.180.27]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA17832; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:26:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37E812E5.D9F85766@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:21:09 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike wobble References: <1358699b.25195dc2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And then one also doesn't need to worry about rust. Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/21/99 6:02:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > << How do you identify a brit computer in a room full of computers? > It will be the one leaking oil. > >> > It amazes me how many motorcyclists criticize the oil leak design of British > bikes. This was a design goal and actually limits the number of maintenance > tasks. Oil changes are in fact optional as by replacing the oil that has > leaked you are actually changing oil on a continuous basis. Until I fixed > the crankshaft seal on the drive side of my Norton with an improved > non-British seal, I lost enough oil into the primary drive case that oil > changes were not required at all. As soon as I felt the clutch slip I knew > that about a pint of oil had gotten from the engine to the primary case and > was getting on the clutch plates. All I had to do was drain the primary and > add a pint to the oil tank, no oil changes necessary. This design feature, > which I recklessly fiddled with insured that I had a new quart of oil in the > bike every 200 miles or so. With my silly improved seal it only leaks or > burns or leaks a quart every 1000 miles or so, requiring me to change oil > every year or so. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 19:36:14 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (x98A3A2D5.pix.aol.com [152.163.162.213]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27584 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA13976 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:35:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:35:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: tire traction.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Interesting summarization, but physics would say otherwise.. With your bike > leaned over, and the contact patch on the side of the tire, it's feeling > forces in 2 directions.. the first one is down, this is how you're able to > still apply power to the ground, the second one is sideways (lateral) and > this is what keeps you from sliding. On RADIAL tires (I'm not positive > about bias-ply, though they should be very similar) - your contact patch > changes so little as to be negligible (sourced from talking with some tire > guys, like the vendors at the race-track, and over the internet). But that > patch can only offer so much grip total.. you're splitting that grip between > lateral and horizontal traction when leaned over.. at this point, it's > easier to overpower the grip that's left and that's where a slide might > appear... as you stand a bike up, you transfer more and more of that > sideways traction to vertical.. thus the ability to deliver more power to > the ground... Actually you're right (more on that in a moment). The result is the same though - the more vertical you are, the more traction you have, and the more power you can put to the ground. Chopping throttle is, of course, still a VeryBadThing. I was thinking about circumferance, not contact patch, which let to that error... when leaned over your tire diameter decreases (and actually effects your RPMs). Reading too much bike tech stuff lately :) > this reason is why most good riders can be claimed to be good on the > throttle.. they know where that limit is, and can feather back and forth > over that edge.. enough to slide the rear to direct the front, but never let > it get so out of shape as to cause trouble... Agreed. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 19:51:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27837 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00975 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10930 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-146-9.s9.tnt3.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.146.9]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09718 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37E81A18.63F01F00@erols.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:51:52 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point 9/18-19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary Foreman wrote: > Here are the pictures from Sunday's races. Some scary "Get-Off's" that day! > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=45730&a=684395 > Well, embarrassing as it is to admit, pic #0919-014 shows me on my backside on the exit of Turn five. Great. My best weekend of racing of the year, and the one picture that has me in it has me on my ass! Randy Moran wrote: > Though there were a lot of crashes, I can't see where the new pavement had anything > to do with any of them. Tim Morrow had a strange one in 5 that he couldn't explain, > so maybe that one is down to the pavement, but other than that one all of the > crashes I can think of were rider error (as in my case on Saturday) or really bad > luck (like the broken chain on someone else's bike that caused Brian Clark's). > As I mentioned in a response to Mark Eberman on alt.motorcycle.sportbike, this was the first crash I've ever had which I can't explain. There was no warning, no sign of loss of traction, no unusual speed or line I was trying out, no thought of "Oh, I can catch this, I can save this, I'm gonna save this, oh SH*T....". I was just following my normal line through the turn, trying to catch my partner George Vensko's Ducati 750SS, and suddenly I was sliding down the track behind my little old EX500. The bike just had a broken left clip-on and clutch lever; I was able to ride it back to the pits, and we had it back together in about 10 minutes. Tim Morrow MSF#21769 CCS#432 WERA#430 -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 20:17:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28225 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA01101 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:17:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA11487 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1XFTa06003 (4253); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <142d0581.251979fe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:17:02 EDT Subject: Re: Bike wobble To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/21/99 7:26:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << And then one also doesn't need to worry about rust. >> Another design goal. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 20:30:53 1999 Return-Path: culimerc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28482 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from el-pipo-grande (user-2ivegch.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.65.145]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA00056 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990921203905.006a0470@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:39:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: road hazards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does a 200+/- head cattle drive, complete with lariet swinging, get along little doggy hooting cowboys count? Does anyone know a good method for getting bug guts off leather, and stink out of gloves? James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 21:25:59 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29293 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id VAA08095 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id VAA06092; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:25:25 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B569D@VAE820PO01> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: Progressive Suspenders Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:25:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Oh, Look! My dinosaur bike has something in common with the "normal" bikes! ;) I just got new PS shockers, and I'm real happy with them. Not that I'm some suspension con-a-sewer, though. The bike I had before the Triumph was a '78 KZ1000 LTD. Just like a fishin' boat with yer fat ole aunt in the bow. There was indeed a bad wobble that started at 90mph (and ended when I got scared and let off the gas). But I can't tell you the shocks fixed it. I replaced the swing arm bushings/sleeves/spindle, reassembled and torqued it to spec. Maybe that's where the wobble went. Or it could have gone away when I adjusted the steering head bearings. I really don't know. The wobble is gone, though. :) That's prolly enough from me. Good night, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Sterling, VA Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:02:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike wobble That's my plan - new shocks/springs. Progressive Suspension? Any slams or kudos on those shocks? I got a same-day email response from PS on what I needed for my scoot based on how I rode it, which is apparently to briskly for the OEM sponges. Relitively cheap is right - maybe $300 for a F/R fix. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 21:30:04 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29457 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id VAA10929 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id VAA10223; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:29:31 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B569E@VAE820PO01> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dcc'" Subject: The strangest road hazard I've ever seen ... Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:29:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain A winnebago stopped... no wait... it's not stopped. It's just going about 2MPH! What's that in front of him? A roller blader? On Rt 7? "Skating across America to fight...(something)" on the side of the 'bago. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 21:57:38 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29884 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.55] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A774B2BD004A; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:57:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37E836DA.B3B39A70@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:54:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel aka ITM CC: "'dc'" Subject: High siding References: <19990921214318.15518.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > but I ask, how would one know they were surel going > to high side? I'd hate to low side just because a high side MIGHT > happen... The only indication I had that I was gonna high-side was the instant I was launched into a low earth orbit with the bike right behind me. Good thing I am aerodynamically shaped, I flew farther than the Concours... Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - BugSlayer II - BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) - GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 22:11:58 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00153 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-89.patriot.net [209.249.180.89]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA31765; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:11:53 -0400 Message-ID: <37E83993.214CD9CF@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:06:11 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" CC: "'dcc'" Subject: Re: Progressive Suspenders References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B569D@VAE820PO01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A vote of confidence? Cool beans. My bike is on specs, one of the *specs* being is that your basic FLH is a perfumed pig on the twisties. Since the rake/trail is fine for decent handling, the only reason is squishy suspension. Perfect for old farts cruising the slabs, but I want a safety cushion for those surprises, and to be honest, I kinda like going balls to the wall of a few snakey roads. My Kawi 250 triple wasn't special, but my Honda 360 was a dreadful mess. This was before I discovered jap shocks are made by Fade Very Quickly. Put S&W air shocks on the Suzuki 550 and kicked ass. YAHOO!!! Bill Crishock, Richard M, BGM wrote: > Oh, Look! My dinosaur bike has something in common with the "normal" bikes! > ;) > > I just got new PS shockers, and I'm real happy with them. Not that I'm some > suspension con-a-sewer, though. The bike I had before the Triumph was a '78 > KZ1000 LTD. Just like a fishin' boat with yer fat ole aunt in the bow. > > There was indeed a bad wobble that started at 90mph (and ended when I got > scared and let off the gas). But I can't tell you the shocks fixed it. I > replaced the swing arm bushings/sleeves/spindle, reassembled and torqued it > to spec. Maybe that's where the wobble went. Or it could have gone away > when I adjusted the steering head bearings. I really don't know. The > wobble is gone, though. :) > > That's prolly enough from me. > > Good night, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > Sterling, VA > > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:02:38 -0400 > From: Bill Huson > To: "Collin T. Fagan" > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike wobble > > That's my plan - new shocks/springs. Progressive Suspension? Any slams or > kudos on those shocks? I got a same-day email response from PS on what I > needed for my scoot based on how I rode it, which is apparently to briskly > for the OEM sponges. Relitively cheap is right - maybe $300 for a F/R fix. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 22:33:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00522 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA01702 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15740 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (leesburg-75.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FIF00581WEDDH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:21:46 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Tim and his Racing Adventure To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000d01bf04ba$5e3011e0$4b2ebccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <37E81A18.63F01F00@erols.com> X-Priority: 3 In the summation of the DC Cycles members who raced at the track I forgot to mention Tim and George. For a little backround, Tim Morrow and George Vensko started racing EX500's at the beginining of the season. Tim was the early fast one, and provided a good example for me of smooth riding. George took a little longer getting up to speed but they were both "in control" type racers. Before I had met these guys I was referring to them as the "EX Twins". Eventually I chatted with Tim a bit in the 2nd race weekend of the season or so. We then had a bit of an "incident" in turn 1 in which we tried to outbrake each other as I went for a desperate pass. I lost and ended up in the gravel. I entered the pits mid race missing various levers, fairings, ect, and a fair bit of my pride. I unfortunately vented my frustration to my wife, and irrationally placed the blame squarely on Tim. (it was 100% my fault) My wife then unleashed on Tim after the race. After profuse apologies on my part we have been friends since. Anyway, George quit monkeying around with the EX and brought out the big guns (big, carbon fiber guns) a Ducati 750SS and quickly found the missing speed. And now here at the end of the season I'm reading about TIM CHASING GEORGE and watching Tim pull down a smooth second place in last weekends Lightwieght Sportsman! Congrats Tim, and sorry I forgot to mention it the first time! Jonathan Broga > Well, embarrassing as it is to admit, pic #0919-014 shows me on my > backside on the exit of Turn five. Great. My best weekend of racing > of the year, and the one picture that has me in it has me on my ass! > > As I mentioned in a response to Mark Eberman on > alt.motorcycle.sportbike, > this was the first crash I've ever had which I can't explain. There was > no > warning, no sign of loss of traction, no unusual speed or line I was > trying > out, no thought of "Oh, I can catch this, I can save this, I'm gonna > save > this, oh SH*T....". I was just following my normal line through the > turn, > trying to catch my partner George Vensko's Ducati 750SS, and suddenly > I was sliding down the track behind my little old EX500. > > > > Tim Morrow > MSF#21769 > CCS#432 > WERA#430 > -- > A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 21 23:37:19 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02628 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id dINAa23994 (4409); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c7a8721.2519a8b1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:36:17 EDT Subject: Re: road hazards To: culimerc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 9/21/99 8:35:38 PM, culimerc@XXXXXX writes: >Does anyone know a good method for getting bug guts off leather, and stink >out of gloves? perhaps some soap and water with a nice mink oil bath afterwards to keep it from drying out??? although the guy that sold me my boots in New York City swears by plain ol' vaseline for prime leather maintenance ... then again ... it WAS NYC ;D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 07:53:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12301 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA04170 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA27746 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:53:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199909220753.AA75235668@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: CC: Subject: Re: Bike wobble X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Boiade@XXXXXX No, they let you in because the Harley has a reliable headlight, a great asset to Norton riders at night when Lucas the Prince of Darkness comes out to harass brit bikes. --------- Okay ... Why do the British drink warm beer? Chris -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 08:02:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12466 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04225 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27856 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:02:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199909220802.AA127795532@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Oil Leaks [was: Bike wobble X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Boiade@XXXXXX It amazes me how many motorcyclists criticize the oil leak design of British bikes. This was a design goal and actually limits the number of maintenance tasks. Oil changes are in fact optional as by replacing the oil that has leaked you are actually changing oil on a continuous basis... ----------- But doesn't that just filter the oil - leaving the engine wear particles still in the engine? Unless there's some really big holes, I guess. :-) Chris -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 08:40:28 1999 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from bastion3.mail.sprint.com (bastion3.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13038 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion3.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:39:49 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:39:49 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (root@reopmp01a [192.168.18.144]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA11866; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:39:46 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA01768; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:39:45 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: High Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:39:42 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: Tire changing prices TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, TZimm2450@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0cdec8e8-00000001" --openmail-part-0cdec8e8-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.RTF" Hi Trevor, The car and motorcycle mechanic I use, Randy Creel, does tire changes for $20 or $25. Do you have your own tire? If not, he can also swing you a deal on a tire, too. Just ask. Randy Creel - Herndon, VA (703) 508-5786 - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD **************************************************** From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:43:56 EDT Subject: Tire To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I read that someone has a tire changer on the list. If I remember correctly, You had to buy some stock in order to use it. Well, I'm not really interested in using it. But I am willing to pay someone to change a tire. Fast lanes charges 50 so I am interested in how much it would cost for someone on the list to do it. Trevor 98YZF600 --openmail-part-0cdec8e8-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 09:54:06 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14523 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:54:04 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA16349; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:54:30 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma005798; Wed, 22 Sep 99 09:43:57 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIG00LBHRMM8F@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F4.004B4DBF ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:42:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:42:08 -0400 Subject: Re: High siding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F4.004B4DC9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL This may label me a geek, but: If any of you have the game Road Rash 3d for the Playstation, you should play around with highsiding. It's really hilarious, and actually somewhat realistic. Go too hot into a turn, lean the bike to it's maximum, keep on the throttle hard, and at just the right point as the rear end comes around, chop the throttle. Your little rider will let out a yelp and will part company with the bike in a graceful, high-altitude arc. It's fun to see how far you can fling your rider. It's also fun to lowside (don't chop the throttle), but not nearly as funny. Oddly enough, I've never been able to highside on Castrol Honda Superbike for the Playstation, even though it supposedly has more accurate physics. The physics in Road Rash 3d are exaggerated, but IMO are more realistic. Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 10:36:49 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15223 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA23156; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012201bf0507$8b3353d0$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Aerostich Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:34:14 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Where is everone getting their 'stich 2-piece suits for a good deal? I was gonna buy a set of 2-piece road-racing leathers, but the weather in Virginia is getting cold already, and I'm suspecting a crappy winter in this area. So, I'm thinking I might buy an aerostich now, save money for leathers in the spring when track days and stuff start back up. Kirt 99 CBR 600F4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 10:51:53 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15508 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA28702 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:51:48 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:51:48 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Aerostich Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:51:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Where is everone getting their 'stich 2-piece suits for a good deal? Only available direct from the manufacturer for new suits. Used ones come and go (check LD rider list). http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 11:01:12 1999 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15683 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:01:11 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id aNYILbj4E_ (4405); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8190f908.251a48fd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:00:13 EDT Subject: Re: Aerostich To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 I have an all black one piece Aerostich right now in size 44 tall. I think it also has the broad shoulder modification. It has the hard armor in it, instead of the foam stuff that is stock. DC cycles price is $475 plus tax. I haven't put it on my website yet, but will do so in the next day or two. Colleen http://www.leatherexchange.com >Where is everone getting their 'stich 2-piece suits for a good deal? I was >gonna buy a set of 2-piece road-racing leathers, but the weather in Virginia >is getting cold already, and I'm suspecting a crappy winter in this area. >So, I'm thinking I might buy an aerostich now, save money for leathers in >the spring when track days and stuff start back up. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 11:16:40 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15931 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:16:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199909221116.AA2949318@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" , "KZ List" Subject: 1976 KZ400 For Sale X-Mailer: Well, it's time to let the little guy go... We've got a pretty cool 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 for sale. This would make somebody a really neat starter bike. This is the bike that I, my wife, and my brother learned to ride on. In spite of all that abuse, it is still kicking! :) It's got a little over 11,000 miles, and has been run pretty regularly since we bought it at a yard sale in Pennsylvania back in 1996. The bike is a chain-drive standard type bike, with an in-line twin engine. It sort of looks like a miniature Z-1, if that helps. The bike has a really big, strong highway/crash bar mounted to the frame, and a set of highway pegs thrown on just for kicks. I'm fairly confident this bike could survive any parking lot tipover a newbie could throw at it, because of the crash bar. :) It's got an aftermarket 2 into 1 exhaust on it, and could probably use bigger main jets, since it tends to overheat on longer rides. It's great for zipping around town, however. Top speed is only about 80 mph and it takes a really long time to get there. :) The bike also has with a stock backrest/luggage rack. Anyway, it's in pretty decent shape for a 24-year-old bike. We are asking $250 for it. The bike is located at Rich's house in Manassas, VA. Contact Rich at FatGuyRide@XXXXXX for more info. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 11:33:10 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16191 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA07177 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990922113017.0082d910@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:30:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: RE: Aerostich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:51 AM 9/22/99 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>Where is everone getting their 'stich 2-piece suits for a good deal? > >Only available direct from the manufacturer for new suits. Used ones come >and go (check LD rider list). > >http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store > >Michael J. > > Also, Stich has a sale item list. If you're lucky, you may find a returned/leftover suit which fits you at substantially reduced prices. Check the site every couple weeks for updates or call daily if you wish. It also saves on order/delivery time. Regards, From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 11:50:10 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16519 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990922155206.24510.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:52:06 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Aerostich To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Where is everone getting their 'stich 2-piece suits for a good deal? > > Only available direct from the manufacturer for new suits. Used ones come > and go (check LD rider list). Another place to look for used suits is the BMW Motorcycle Marketplace, http://www.ibmwr.org/marketplace/ You want to browse by apparel. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 12:38:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17323 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05790 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA07878 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:38:24 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:38:16 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:45:55 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Boiade@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike wobble -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Q: Why do Brits drink warm beer? A: Lucas refrigerators. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 12:39:54 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17326 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:38:44 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:38:35 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:07:59 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, culimerc@XXXXXX Subject: Re: road hazards -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Though I wear bug guts on my jackets with pride, you can use Hein Gericke Leather Cleaner or Lexol (sold wherever fine leather furniture is found). Buff lightly with #0000 steel wool or a ScotchBrite pad. Both of these treat the leather with good stuff as they clean. Stinky gloves? How about Dr. Scholl's Deodorant Foot Powder and some outdoor air on a warm afternoon? Joe From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 12:47:41 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17501 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2j6q4 (209-122-204-115.s623.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.204.115]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15962 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008601bf0532$e9e277a0$73cc7ad1@m2j6q4> From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Strange Stuff on the road Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:24:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Strange ? Last year I entered 270 going south from the Montgomery Ave. entrance, the pickup in front of me had a huge cardboard box (like the one they use for large screen tv's). I'm riding a safe distance behind him as he speeds up to highway speed - the box lifts up in slow motion and lands about 15 inches in front of my front tire. All I could do is hold tight and hope that it was completely empty and didnt have anything solid inside. With the help of my front knobby tire I went right through cutting it in half spraying 270 with tons of white packing material. I had to stop to get rid of the shakes, the driver of the pickup truck stopped also and came over to say he didn't think it needed to be tied down... Niv DR650 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 15:54:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20839 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07172 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19500 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-101.patriot.net [209.249.180.101]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21739; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:54:26 -0400 Message-ID: <37E93299.54F3E43B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:48:41 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike wobble References: <199909220753.AA75235668@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > No, they let you in because the Harley has a reliable headlight, a great asset to Norton riders at night when Lucas the Prince of Darkness comes out to harass brit bikes. > --------- > > Okay ... > > Why do the British drink warm beer? > > Chris > A GIMMEE! `Cause Lucas builds brit refrigerators > > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 19:30:51 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24608 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA08968; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003d01bf0552$a5009840$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Cc: Subject: VFR spotting in Arlington, VA Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:31:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF0531.1C6CEC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF0531.1C6CEC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blue '87 VFR700F2 (assuming) headed west on Rt. 50 just after Washington = Blvd. Took the left onto Filmore, right onto the service road, and then = left onto Jensen(?). Rider appeared to wearing a white helmet. Very = nice and shiny VFR! Anyone on the list? Tom '86 VFR750 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF0531.1C6CEC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Blue '87 VFR700F2 (assuming) headed west on Rt. 50 = just after=20 Washington Blvd.  Took the left onto Filmore, right onto the = service=20 road, and then left onto Jensen(?).  Rider appeared to wearing a = white=20 helmet.  Very nice and shiny VFR!  Anyone on the=20 list?
 
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'86 VFR750
 
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF0531.1C6CEC20-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 22 23:48:09 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA28642 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990923035011.1243.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:50:11 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:50:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: [D207] tire pressures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK..... I've been doing a little personal research on the street and acquired research on other lists since the last tire (D207) pressure thread. No offense meant, but whoever has been running MAX load pressure in their tires, i.e., 42 psi, has their proverbial head up their ass. Conserving tire life is one thing, but I'd rather preserve life and limb. I'm goin' back to 34f/36r (from 36/38 inspired (increased) by the latest 'knowledge')....and even that is a little too high for most that like to wick it up in the twisties. Back to reality. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 01:00:56 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29767 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA02770; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901bf0580$b11724e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <19990923035011.1243.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: [D207] tire pressures Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:01:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Why don't you call Dunlop and ask them why they list using the maximum pressure rather than being an insulting jerk (you could have put it another way... it was offensive). I was only stating what was recommended BY Dunlop AND that those pressures seem to work just fine for me. I ride the piss out of my bike, I could care less about tire mileage, and I have yet to have an incident where the bike felt like it was going to slide. I was running in the lower 30 psi range and was uncomfortable with the way that the bike handled. I filled the tires to what was recommended by Dunlop and all has been great ever since. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 11:50 PM Subject: [D207] tire pressures > OK..... > > I've been doing a little personal research on the > street and acquired research on other lists since the > last tire (D207) pressure thread. > > No offense meant, but whoever has been running MAX > load pressure in their tires, i.e., 42 psi, has their > proverbial head up their ass. Conserving tire life is > one thing, but I'd rather preserve life and limb. > > I'm goin' back to 34f/36r (from 36/38 inspired > (increased) by the latest 'knowledge')....and even > that is a little too high for most that like to wick > it up in the twisties. > > Back to reality. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 07:14:22 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06394 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:14:21 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id aYDVa18968 (4411); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <277c776e.251b6569@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:13:45 EDT Subject: UPS To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wheeltowheel@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Has anybody else noticed a decrease in the reliability in UPS in the last few months? I purchase stuff by mail order a lot an it seems that they cannot be counted on in terms of delivery times. My local route guy says the problem is he doesn't get the stuff at his pick up point. For outbound I have been using good old USPS with good success. Maybe its just my area . Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 07:56:58 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06880 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-26.patriot.net [209.249.180.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA22351; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:56:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37EA1425.6FCF4D2@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:51:01 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas and Jeannette CC: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [D207] tire pressures References: <19990923035011.1243.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> <000901bf0580$b11724e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm... Back in the good ol's days, when radios still had tubes, one's cage manual had tp rec which were intentionally squishy, like 20 some psi. In the early 60s the airplane dudes discovered that more wieght didn't do squat in rain (hydroplaning) but more air worked great! I jacked my college cruising cage up to the max on the tire sidewall and Holy Moley! An insatnt 5 MPG increase! Not to mention a better ride, whizzing around corners and such, and no greasy feel in the heavy rains. Motorcycles didn't seem to suffer from the make them cushy syndrome. I've always used what the OEM suggests. On my present sled - 36 psi front and rear - 40 psi rear with a load/passenger. Actually, in suport of higher tp, I prefer the high setting on the rear all the time as the bike *feels* better. Bill Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > Why don't you call Dunlop and ask them why they list using the maximum > pressure rather than being an insulting jerk (you could have put it another > way... it was offensive). I was only stating what was recommended BY Dunlop > AND that those pressures seem to work just fine for me. I ride the piss out > of my bike, I could care less about tire mileage, and I have yet to have an > incident where the bike felt like it was going to slide. I was running in > the lower 30 psi range and was uncomfortable with the way that the bike > handled. I filled the tires to what was recommended by Dunlop and all has > been great ever since. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 07:59:31 1999 Return-Path: cgking@XXXXXX Received: from bunyip.flash.net (bunyip.flash.net [209.30.6.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06964 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p33-212.atnt1.dialup.sat1.flash.net [216.215.33.212]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05809; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 06:59:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37EA15D1.8403C6EF@flash.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 06:58:09 -0500 From: Curt King X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wheeltowheel@XXXXXX Subject: Re: UPS References: <277c776e.251b6569@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been having pretty good luck with UPS stuff from places like Racer Wholesale (Atlanta) and the Racer Wholesale Parts (Indy) etc to here in South Texas. UPS ground has been showing up at about 2-3 days. Then again I haven't been in a rush for parts, so I wasn't paying too close of attention. McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Has anybody else noticed a decrease in the reliability in UPS in the last few > months? I purchase stuff by mail order a lot an it seems that they cannot be > counted on in terms of delivery times. My local route guy says the problem is > he doesn't get the stuff at his pick up point. For outbound I have been > using good old USPS with good success. Maybe its just my area . > Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 08:32:43 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07736 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-26.patriot.net [209.249.180.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24905; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:32:36 -0400 Message-ID: <37EA1C89.293D24D5@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:26:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Curt King CC: McKeithen@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wheeltowheel@XXXXXX Subject: Re: UPS References: <277c776e.251b6569@aol.com> <37EA15D1.8403C6EF@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you must get a piece somewhere the very next day, UPS is the only game in town. FEDX and the USPS "next day delivery" means next day IF the site is near one of 22 major cities. If the site is in the boonies - next day means 2 or more days. But UPS can do the job even if the site is 100 miles from the last gas sign. Oh yeah, a Western Union wire money thang is a load of bull too. The recipient must go to the nearest WU office to pick up the cash, which could be hundreds of miles away. Bill Curt King wrote: > I have been having pretty good luck with UPS stuff from places like Racer > Wholesale (Atlanta) and the Racer Wholesale Parts (Indy) etc to here in South > Texas. UPS ground has been showing up at about 2-3 days. Then again I haven't > been in a rush for parts, so I wasn't paying too close of attention. > > McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Has anybody else noticed a decrease in the reliability in UPS in the last few > > months? I purchase stuff by mail order a lot an it seems that they cannot be > > counted on in terms of delivery times. My local route guy says the problem is > > he doesn't get the stuff at his pick up point. For outbound I have been > > using good old USPS with good success. Maybe its just my area . > > Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 08:56:32 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08304 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-26.patriot.net [209.249.180.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26893 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:56:22 -0400 Message-ID: <37EA2217.59B2B7C4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:50:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: how interesting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: UPS post I replied to the UPS post, and the reply all included a cb-750 group from "egroups.com" So I get a kickback saying the my post must be "approved" by the moderator". Lemme see, no offense language - no nudie pics - HAH! Could it be that Big Brother Corperate America has threatened egroups? So much for freedom of speech, all you hosers in egroups. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 09:28:47 1999 Return-Path: Mdmtrsport@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09185 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:28:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Mdmtrsport@XXXXXX Received: from Mdmtrsport@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1NZK0MCqnC (3937); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3eaff197.251b84c6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:27:34 EDT Subject: Re: UPS To: bhuson@XXXXXX, cgking@XXXXXX CC: McKeithen@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wheeltowheel@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 09/23/1999 8:33:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > UPS can do the job even if the site is 100 miles from the last gas sign Uh, not really. My dad lives in a small town just 15 minutes north of Somerset Kentucky, werea UPS center is located. After the strike, he has a number of problems getting adequate delivery on 2d day or even next day stuff. Ground delivery takes longer than it used to. The drivers do not go down his road unless they have more than one delivery in the area. He is a shipper of products, also, and he swears ny USPS as there is a local PO in his town. UPS has definitly gone down hill since the strike. Sorry, the proof is in the poor service. FEDEX or USPS is more reliable now. FEDEX will deliver most anytime. Mike Dickerson From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 09:28:58 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09195 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11U8vd-0006eG-00; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:28:53 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15763; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 23 Sep 1999 09:27:33 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re:how interesting Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:35:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I had thought about starting a list on a service similar to egroups (can't remember where it is now) before I found dc-cycles. I saw egroups once before. It appears they allow groups to be either moderated or unmoderated, depending on how it is started. I don't think it has anything to do w/corporate america, just whoever started the CB-750 group. Maybe he didn't want threads about shipping companies on the cb750 list :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 09:39:21 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09318 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:38:39 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C887@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Bill Huson'" , Thomas and Jeannette Cc: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [D207] tire pressures Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:38:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Well I'm for the lower pressures except when riding two up. Like Colin and Tom G. have said I've had nothing but sliding (in hard corners) with both 204's and now the Macadam radials of the VFR. The optimum setting for me seems to be right around 34 or 35 PSI not 42 which the owners manual recommends. Glenn >Motorcycles didn't seem to suffer from the make them cushy syndrome. I've always >used what the OEM suggests. On my present sled - 36 psi front and rear - 40 psi >rear with a load/passenger. Actually, in suport of higher tp, I prefer the high >setting on the rear all the time as the bike *feels* better. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 09:51:40 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09518 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.228] (user-2iveo74.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.228]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08600; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909231351.JAA08600@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:55:06 -0400 Subject: Re: how interesting From: "John Whiteside" To: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > I replied to the UPS post, and the reply all included a cb-750 group > from "egroups.com" So I get a kickback saying the my post must be > "approved" by the moderator". Lemme see, no offense language - no nudie > pics - HAH! Could it be that Big Brother Corperate America has > threatened egroups? > > So much for freedom of speech, all you hosers in egroups. Or, it could be that egroups allows people to set up moderated groups, where one or more group members review messages before they are distributed. There are a lot of newsgroups that work the same way. In which case it's a decision by the people who created the group to run it that way to keep it on topic. Stop being paranoid. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 10:23:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09961 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12718 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19678 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12044 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990923102113.01438710@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: hehehe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was bored, so I just started a flame war between alt.motorcycle.sportbike and rec.motorcycles.harley. Am I the only one riding into work anymore? I haven't seen another bike during rush hour in a week. By the way - is there a red seca II on list in Centreville? I followed one home last night - he looked pretty cold coming off 66..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 10:33:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10093 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12800 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20009 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA09422 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:33:26 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:33:26 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: hehehe Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:33:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Am I the only one riding into work anymore? I haven't seen another bike during rush hour in a week. You're just not in the right place - I saw three others (beside meself) this morning eastbound on the Dulles toll road at around 06:30 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 10:57:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10472 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12986 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20799 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:57:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199909231057.AA127729994@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: hehehe X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Am I the only one riding into work anymore? I haven't seen another bike during rush hour in a week. ------ Every day. But the bikes that usually park near mine have been conspicuous by their absence. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 10:58:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10482 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12993 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f135.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.135]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20826 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 65431 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 14:58:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923145801.65430.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.89.58 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:58:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.58] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hehehe Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:58:01 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I ride year 'round from Lakeridge to Reston. Razz MCP 99 ZX9R 83 LTD440 78 KZ650 >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: hehehe >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:24 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 07:49:33 1999 >Received: from [209.116.254.17] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >MHotMailB9B388E700F8D82197CDD174FE110C0C0; Thu Sep 23 07:49:33 1999 >Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by >meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09961 for >; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:32 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8])by >tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12718for >; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:22:59 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106])by >mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19678for >; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:52 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69])by mail.zen-data.com >(8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12044for ; Thu, 23 Sep >1999 10:23:24 -0400 >Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990923102113.01438710@XXXXXX> >X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 > >I was bored, so I just started a flame war between alt.motorcycle.sportbike >and rec.motorcycles.harley. Am I the only one riding into work anymore? I >haven't seen another bike during rush hour in a week. > >By the way - is there a red seca II on list in Centreville? I followed one >home last night - he looked pretty cold coming off 66..... > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply > to serve as a warning to others. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 11:00:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10531 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13032 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20901 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567F5.0052C026 ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:03:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Jordan Michael" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567F5.0052BFAD.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:57:25 -0400 Subject: RE: hehehe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I saw 2 people I'd never seen before riding in today...maybe they're like me and enjoy this riding weather! : ) Good riddance, Summer!!! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Jordan Michael" on 09/23/99 10:33:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: hehehe >Am I the only one riding into work anymore? I haven't seen another bike during rush hour in a week. You're just not in the right place - I saw three others (beside meself) this morning eastbound on the Dulles toll road at around 06:30 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 11:46:19 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11272 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22733 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:46:10 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF05B6.B21B8D00.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: hehehe Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:28:00 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Year round also; Annandale to Georgetown. Yesterday I rode in on 66 alongside a really good looking FZR and a silver Goldwing. Today I rode in with a plain Ford sedan with extra antennas, the EBC pads proved their worth. He didn't notice the sudden fork dive ;). Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 12:24:45 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11831 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA27439 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990923122202.007fb330@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:22:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: RE: hehehe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:28 AM 9/23/99 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: >Year round also; Annandale to Georgetown. Yesterday I rode in on 66 >alongside a really good looking FZR and a silver Goldwing. Today I rode in >with a plain Ford sedan with extra antennas, the EBC pads proved their >worth. He didn't notice the sudden fork dive ;). > >Cedric >1987 CBR600 Hurricane >AMA 663626 >Annandale, VA I'm a year-rounder also (Olney to Greenbelt) though sometimes I'm pedalling, like this morning. ;^) I did see 2 Hogs and a KZ, I think, on NH Ave today. Regards, Bob 97 VFR HRCA #934354 USCF #0148806 (for you bicycle enthusiasts) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 12:33:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11999 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13644 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24268 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (pppm5.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.186]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08353 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EA559B.5BC293EE@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:30:19 -0400 From: Steve DiPietro Reply-To: stevied@XXXXXX Organization: n/a X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-DIAL (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Stinky Gloves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On HG Tv today there was a tip on removing the odor from smelly tennis shoes. I bet that this will work on gloves. Put the offending items in a zip lock bag and place overnight in the freezer. The cold temps will kill the odor causing bacteria. Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Representative Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 12:42:16 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12169 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA05507 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:41:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199909231641.MAA05507@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:39:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Clean'in Up... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) I know we had a thread like this a while ago, but I was wondering what people use to clean the road grime off their tires and such... I've tried using a strong car washing soap which supposedly cleans road grime, but it doesn't seem to work real well. I've also used Dove- the dish detergent which has grease-cutting agents in it. The Dove worked a little better, but it still leaves stuff behind... Anyone use any miracle cleaner they swear by? -John 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 12:59:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12454 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:59:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199909231259.AA264175942@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA X-Mailer: The print edition included a table of the 10 worst intersections in Arlington County, but it's not available on the web -- 1. Columbia Pike & Glebe Rd. [42 accidents] 2. S. I-395 & Glebe Rd. [39] 3. Columbia Pike & Washington Blvd. [36] 4. S. 24th Road & Glebe Rd. [33] 5. Arlington Blvd. & Glebe Rd. [32] 6. Columbia Pike & George Mason Dr. [31] 7. Arlington Blvd. & Washington Blvd. [30] Four Mile Run Drive & Washington Blvd. [30] 8. Columbia Pike and Monroe Street [27] 9. N. I-395 & Washington Blvd. [27] 10. Four Mile Run & George Mason Dr. [26] ------------------------------------------------------ Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA At Top: Rte. 7 at 123, Columbia Pike-Glebe By Michael D. Shear Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, September 23, 1999; Page V01 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/23/103l-092399-idx.html The Automobile Association of America has named last year's most dangerous intersections in Northern Virginia, providing fresh evidence that a surge in traffic on the region's streets is overwhelming the road network and in many cases compromising safety. Fairfax County's 10 most dangerous intersections each had more than 50 accidents last year, according to the AAA. Leesburg Pike (Route 7) at Chain Bridge Road (Route 123) led the list with 67. In Arlington County, the worst intersection--Columbia Pike at Glebe Road--had 42 accidents, while seven others in the county had 30 or more. In Alexandria, Oronoco Street at Washington Street had 20 accidents, the worst in that city last year. Mantill Williams, a spokesman for the AAA's Potomac region, said all of the dangerous intersections share a trait: They all have too many cars trying to get through them each day. "A lot of these intersections weren't designed to handle the number of vehicles that travel through them," Williams said. In Fairfax, for example, Williams said 21,000 cars travel daily through the intersection of Route 123 and Burke Centre Parkway (Route 643) south of Fairfax City. It was never meant to handle that many cars, he said. "When you have that type of volume combined with people being impatient, that's a recipe for having a large number of accidents," he said. Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairman Katherine K. Hanley (D) said older intersections are being overwhelmed by new traffic patterns as the county grows. As an example, she noted that Route 123 at Burke Centre Parkway has more traffic because drivers are trying to get to the nearby Fairfax County Parkway. "With changing traffic patterns, we find high volumes in new places," she said. Alexandria Mayor Kerry J. Donley (D) said the city already has begun making improvements to many of the intersections that AAA cited. The intersection of Duke and Walker streets, which the AAA said had 16 accidents last year, has just undergone a 12-month renovation, he said. At the Seminary Road and Shirley Highway interchange, where 15 accidents occurred last year, improvement has been planned for years. "I think it's helpful," Donley said of the AAA report. "It's good feedback for us. We monitor that information." Donley said the AAA report can help to highlight the traffic problems on relatively minor secondary roads at a time when many people in the state legislature and in Congress are focused on such major projects as the Wilson Bridge and the Springfield "Mixing Bowl" interchange. "It creates difficulty for us to compete for federal or state assistance for these smaller projects when so much attention is being paid to the larger ones," he said. Hanley blamed the Virginia Department of Transportation for moving too slowly to address dangerous intersections like the ones highlighted in the AAA list. She said many intersections have been identified as problems for years and await VDOT action. The state department each year approves a six-year plan that lists projects slated to be completed during that time period. But VDOT's critics say it often takes much longer to get a road or intersection built because of bureaucratic delays and funding problems. "This is pointing out again how important it is to get things on the six-year plan done," said Hanley, a frequent critic of the transportation department. Joan Morris, a spokeswoman for VDOT, said state officials are always concerned about improving unsafe situations. "We work throughout the year with county police on identifying potentially dangerous intersections so that we can plan appropriate improvements for them," Morris said. But she added that the AAA analysis may not identify the intersections that need the most work. An intersection with a lot of minor accidents could rank high on the AAA list, while another intersection with a handful of more serious crashes does not make the list. "Which one is more dangerous?" she asked. Williams said AAA is aware of that criticism. He said the organization plans to do a more thorough analysis next year, possibly ranking intersections by the amount of property damage and by the severity of injuries. Until then, Williams said, the current study is helpful for motorists. Donley agrees. "It's good information for the public," he said. "If they have that information, it potentially has a tendency to affect their behavior. You know you are coming to one of those intersections, you slow down and use more caution." From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 13:04:12 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12513 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06228 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:04:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Clean'in Up... In-Reply-To: <199909231641.MAA05507@bmdo.mcri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone use any miracle cleaner they swear by? Try some of the purple Castrol stuff. Be sure to dilute it first. If you don't dilute it everything it touches will be changed for the worse (coating on aluminum eaten away, sparkle in your paint gone, etc). It will do a real number on raw aluminum... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 13:05:29 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12592 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:05:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199909231305.AA264962374@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Cell-phoning driver kills man X-Mailer: Commuter Bus Driver Charged In Death of Homeless Man By Emily Wax Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, September 23, 1999; Page B04 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/23/204l-092399-idx.html= The driver of a commuter bus who struck and killed a homeless man near Unio= n Station earlier this month was arrested and charged yesterday with neglig= ent homicide. Carlos Alberto Garcia had just been talking on his cell phone= as his bus hit the man, according to an affidavit filed in court. Garcia, 48, of the 5700 Block of Thomas Edison Court in Alexandria, pleaded= not guilty yesterday in D.C. Superior Court. Garcia told police that he was on a call to his wife just before he began t= urning onto North Capitol Street from E Street NW, according to the affidav= it. The call was disconnected at the point of the turn, Garcia said in the affi= davit. While into the turn, the bus hit William Norris, 49, who was crossin= g the street within the marked crosswalk area. Garcia said he never saw Norris until he looked in his side mirror and spot= ted the injured man lying on the ground. Garcia was arrested by the major c= rash unit of the D.C. police at 7:30 a.m. yesterday. In court yesterday, Garcia declined to be interviewed. He was released on h= is own recognizance, but ordered not to drive in the District. He is schedu= led to return to court Oct. 6 for a hearing. Advocates for the poor called the charge a victory for the homeless. Member= s of Norris's family described it as a step toward justice. Two weeks before he was killed, Norris called his sister in Baltimore and t= old her he didn't want to live on the streets anymore. He asked if he could= move in with her family. She said yes. "He was so close. I still think about it every day," said William Cash, Nor= ris's stepson. "It's been very hard." Witnesses said both the rear and front wheels of the bus passed over Norris= 's body, according to the affidavit. He died of massive trauma to his head = and body. Yellow Transportation Inc., which runs the Loudoun County Yellow Motor Coac= h Co., had no comment on the case yesterday. In the homeless community, Norris was known as a good man whose heart never= healed after his wife, "Gerry," died. He tried to help others like him. He= spent many hours scrubbing vegetables and cleaning tables at the House of = Imagene, said the Rev. Imagene B. Stewart, who runs the shelter for homeles= s families where Norris often stayed. "Today is a good day," Stewart said. Too often crimes against the homeless = go unnoticed, Stewart and other advocates said yesterday. The Rev. John Adams, of So Others Might Eat, a D.C. soup kitchen, said he w= as elated that the incident was investigated. "I think no matter what, homeless people are people and they are part of ou= r community. They deserve the same rights and respect of anyone," Adams sai= d. "I think it's a resurrection victory for him and his memory." =A9 Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 13:55:17 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13332 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25317 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:55:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990923135230.006c2158@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:52:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: how interesting In-Reply-To: <37EA2217.59B2B7C4@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:50 AM 9/23/99 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: >RE: UPS post > >I replied to the UPS post, and the reply all included a cb-750 group >from "egroups.com" So I get a kickback saying the my post must be >"approved" by the moderator". Lemme see, no offense language - no nudie >pics - HAH! Could it be that Big Brother Corperate America has >threatened egroups? No. All it means is that e-groups mailing lists are typically set up not to accept mail from someone who isn't a member of the list. That's all. Bob '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 13:57:42 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f122.hotmail.com [209.185.131.185]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13421 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43412 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 17:57:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923175708.43411.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:57:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid blonde moment Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:57:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A real blonde moment for me was "running out of gas" on I-66 near Front Royal on my old bike. I pushed it about 2-3 miles and up a ramp into a gas station before I realized that I hadn't even tried to turn it to reserve! DUH. >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: LindaT , "List-dc cycles" > >Subject: Re: A blonde moment >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:51:46 -0400 > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: LindaT >...I left home thinking, 'Hmmmm, how much gas DO I have?', but didn't do >anything about it, thinking I would just switch to reserve when the >inevitable happened. Well, the inevitable DID happen, but, guess what? I >was already on reserve. >------------ > >I've done that. I'll never forget the " oh - s*** " feeling of reaching >for the fuel valve only to find out it's already on reserve. > >Really glad to hear about the numerous folks stopping to check on you. >Re-affirms my faith in human nature ... many humans, anyway! > > > > >-- >Chris Norloff >Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar >-- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:17:13 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f100.hotmail.com [209.185.131.163]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13755 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75600 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 18:16:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923181612.75599.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.8.158.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:16:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.8.158.125] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hehehe Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:16:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Am I the only one riding into work anymore? I >haven't seen another bike during rush hour in a week. I saw Leon get on to the HOV's this morning, how can you miss him?!(yah, i'm a wuss, i was watching enviously from my cage going 2mph). --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:19:17 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13780 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1ICVa22369 (4556); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:17:47 EDT Subject: Re: how interesting To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 9/23/99 9:02:39 AM, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: >So I get a kickback saying the my post must be >"approved" by the moderator". Lemme see, no offense language - no nudie >pics - HAH! Could it be that Big Brother Corperate America has >threatened egroups? they also do this so that groups don't get inundated with spam. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:19:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13790 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14266 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:18:32 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29473 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4AZAa19901 (4556); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:18:51 EDT Subject: Re: hehehe To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 mine's in the shop still thanks to that dratted wanna-be thief. marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:20:34 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13882 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA22151 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:20:11 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:02:03 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF05CC.365D1380.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: hehehe Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:02:02 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My favorite conversation topic with my coworkers: "You ride all year round?" Them: "Wow, what happens when it rains?" Me: "I get wet." I did almost crash the other day though. I was riding on 495 when I passed a guy on a Heritage Softail riding IN THE RAIN! I was so shocked I turned to stare and almost rear-ended the SUV in front of me. Never have seen one where the owner actually let it get wet before:) Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Robert Rapp [SMTP:rrapp@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 12:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: hehehe At 11:28 AM 9/23/99 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: >Year round also; Annandale to Georgetown. Yesterday I rode in on 66 >alongside a really good looking FZR and a silver Goldwing. Today I rode in >with a plain Ford sedan with extra antennas, the EBC pads proved their >worth. He didn't notice the sudden fork dive ;). > >Cedric >1987 CBR600 Hurricane >AMA 663626 >Annandale, VA I'm a year-rounder also (Olney to Greenbelt) though sometimes I'm pedalling, like this morning. ;^) I did see 2 Hogs and a KZ, I think, on NH Ave today. Regards, Bob 97 VFR HRCA #934354 USCF #0148806 (for you bicycle enthusiasts) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:24:12 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f30.hotmail.com [209.185.131.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13943 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78530 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 18:23:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923182324.78529.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.8.158.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:23:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.8.158.125] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Clean'in Up... Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:23:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Anyone use any miracle cleaner they swear by? Well, lemmie say this: Simple Green is amazing stuff. HOWEVER don't use it to clean polished metal/plastic unless you use a LOT of water to dilute it (i'm guessing this is the same problem as the purple stuff castrol sells) because the SG spray leaves a nasty film that seems to never go away if you don't rinse it off as soon as you wash with the Green. (my EX's front windscreen still has streaks and a white-ish film on it) One thing though: if anyone has polorized sunglasses, try looking through a helmit's face shield. I feel like i'm on some kinda hallucination, b/c of all the pretty colours that mess with your vision. Anyone know how to get rid of this nastyness? --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:37:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14162 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14403 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f57.hotmail.com [209.185.131.120]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00550 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57436 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 1999 18:36:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990923183651.57435.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:36:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding every day too (was re: hehehe) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:36:51 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I ride my red 96 Honda PC-800 in from Springfield to the Department of Commerce. Rain or shine, all year long, but not on snow and ice. This is my fourth bike and the best all around commuter and tour bike I've had. I've also gone to conferences and meetings allover the mid-atlantic on this thing. Its totaly covered engine makes it easy to clean. Its trunk can swallow a laptop PC and briefcase on one side and one of those hanging suit luggage thingies on the other. Its comfortable for long trips. It handles better in heavy wind and rain than my top-heavy jeep. I only wish that it sold better so there were more fun accessories made specially for it. >From: "Razz Man" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: hehehe >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:58:01 EDT > >I ride year 'round from Lakeridge to Reston. > >Razz >MCP > >99 ZX9R >83 LTD440 >78 KZ650 > > > >>From: Troutman >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: hehehe >>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:24 -0400 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 07:49:33 1999 >>Received: from [209.116.254.17] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailB9B388E700F8D82197CDD174FE110C0C0; Thu Sep 23 07:49:33 1999 >>Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by >>meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09961 for >>; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:32 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8])by >>tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12718for >>; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:22:59 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106])by >>mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19678for >>; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:23:52 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69])by mail.zen-data.com >>(8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12044for ; Thu, 23 >>Sep >>1999 10:23:24 -0400 >>Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990923102113.01438710@XXXXXX> >>X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX >>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 >> >>I was bored, so I just started a flame war between >>alt.motorcycle.sportbike >>and rec.motorcycles.harley. Am I the only one riding into work anymore? >>I >>haven't seen another bike during rush hour in a week. >> >>By the way - is there a red seca II on list in Centreville? I followed >>one >>home last night - he looked pretty cold coming off 66..... >> >>___________________________________________ >> Mike Troutman >> http://www.troutman.org/vfr >> >> '97 Honda VFR 750 >> >> It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply >> to serve as a warning to others. >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:39:27 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14182 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:39:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199909231439.AA170656074@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Karl Mueller" Subject: Re: Polarized Sunglasses [was: Clean'in Up... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Karl Mueller" if anyone has polorized sunglasses, try looking through a helmit's face shield. I feel like i'm on some kinda hallucination, b/c of all the pretty colours that mess with your vision. Anyone know how to get rid of this nastyness? --------- I haven't tried polarized sunglasses with only a faceshield, but my brief ride with polarized clip-ons, a faceshield, and a Fog City Fog Shield was enough to make me never try again! It shifted all the colors, and put fuzzy halos around blue vehicles. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:40:41 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14195 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA07093 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:40:25 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:40:25 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Clean'in Up... Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:40:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >One thing though: if anyone has polorized sunglasses, try looking through a >helmit's face shield. I feel like i'm on some kinda hallucination, b/c of >all the pretty colours that mess with your vision. Anyone know how to get >rid of this nastyness? Easy - open the faceshield and/or remove the sunglasses. As we say in the computer industry, this is a feature, not a bug. The polarization of light through the faceshield (caused by the stress from the casting/moulding process) is what you are seeing through your sunglasses. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:47:38 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14322 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10527; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:43:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Karl Mueller cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Polarized shades [was: Clean'in Up...] In-Reply-To: <19990923182324.78529.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm.. I've heard that polarized shades are not a good thing while riding, because they can make it harder to see wet spots and oil spots on the road. The colors you get when looking through your visor w/ polarizing shades are due to basic physical properties of your visor and polarized light, and there is nothing you can do to get rid of these colors. Basically, plastic causes light to rotate sligtly as the light passes through, and this rotation varies with thickness of the plastic and with the color of the light. Your polarizing lenses then filter different colors selectively, depending on how far they've been rotated at a given place in your visor. To get rid of this effect swap your shades for non-polarizing ones. -ph On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Karl Mueller wrote: > One thing though: if anyone has polorized sunglasses, try looking through a > helmit's face shield. I feel like i'm on some kinda hallucination, b/c of > all the pretty colours that mess with your vision. Anyone know how to get > rid of this nastyness? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:48:42 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14337 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA19485 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:48:37 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990923144807.00696224@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:48:07 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Shoei Synchrotec [was: Helmet question] In-Reply-To: <199909211007.AA140247174@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:07 AM 9/21/99 -0400, Horkster wrote: >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Bob Meyer >Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:53:46 -0400 > >>Does anyone on the list know of a local shop which carries the Shoei >>Synchrotec helmet in stock? I'd like to try one, but hesitate to mail >>order one without even being able to try one one. I went to Heyser's at noon today and tried a couple on (along with a bunch of others). I came away not very impressed with the Synchrotec. Oh, its a very clever design, the one handed release latch works well, it seems pretty comfortable, and it's much easier to get on and off with my glasses. But, the chin guard seems very thin and insubstantial. While I'm sure it's much better than an open face in that regard, I really wouldn't feel nearly as comfortable about its impact resistance as I do with my current Shoei. I learned something else of interest today, too. I have an ARAI shaped head! I've been wearing Shoei helmets for years, but I tried on a couple of Arai's, and the medium really did fit better than a Shoei medium (which seems too tight) and a Shoei large (which is clearly a bit loose). I'm really bummed about that, though. Shoei's got a better color match to my bike, and Arai's are definitely more expensive. Oh well. Speaking of money . I've heard so many good things about Aerostitch suits that I was just about to order one. Then I went to their web site and saw the prices. Gasp! Does anyone have any experience with cheaper one piece riding suits (like Tour Master, maybe)? Any comments about them? Thanks, and thanks again for all the comments about Sport Touring Accessories. Doesn't sound like I can go wrong buying from them. Bob '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:55:29 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14450 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990923190733.6832.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:07:33 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:07:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting, if you count N I-395 and S I-395 as the same road, there are only 9 different roads listed in the top 10 most dangerous intersections. Leon. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > The print edition included a table of the 10 worst > intersections in Arlington County, but it's not > available on the web -- > 1. Columbia Pike & Glebe Rd. [42 accidents] > 2. S. I-395 & Glebe Rd. [39] > 3. Columbia Pike & Washington Blvd. [36] > 4. S. 24th Road & Glebe Rd. [33] > 5. Arlington Blvd. & Glebe Rd. [32] > 6. Columbia Pike & George Mason Dr. [31] > 7. Arlington Blvd. & Washington Blvd. [30] > Four Mile Run Drive & Washington Blvd. [30] > 8. Columbia Pike and Monroe Street [27] > 9. N. I-395 & Washington Blvd. [27] > 10. Four Mile Run & George Mason Dr. [26] > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA > At Top: Rte. 7 at 123, Columbia Pike-Glebe > By Michael D. Shear > Washington Post Staff Writer > Thursday, September 23, 1999; Page V01 > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/23/103l-092399-idx.html > > The Automobile Association of America has named last > year's most dangerous intersections in Northern > Virginia, providing fresh evidence that a surge in > traffic on the region's streets is overwhelming the > road network and in many cases compromising safety. > > Fairfax County's 10 most dangerous intersections > each had more than 50 accidents last year, according > to the AAA. Leesburg Pike (Route 7) at Chain Bridge > Road (Route 123) led the list with 67. > > In Arlington County, the worst > intersection--Columbia Pike at Glebe Road--had 42 > accidents, while seven others in the county had 30 > or more. In Alexandria, Oronoco Street at Washington > Street had 20 accidents, the worst in that city last > year. > > Mantill Williams, a spokesman for the AAA's Potomac > region, said all of the dangerous intersections > share a trait: They all have too many cars trying to > get through them each day. > > "A lot of these intersections weren't designed to > handle the number of vehicles that travel through > them," Williams said. > > In Fairfax, for example, Williams said 21,000 cars > travel daily through the intersection of Route 123 > and Burke Centre Parkway (Route 643) south of > Fairfax City. It was never meant to handle that many > cars, he said. > > "When you have that type of volume combined with > people being impatient, that's a recipe for having a > large number of accidents," he said. > > Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairman > Katherine K. Hanley (D) said older intersections are > being overwhelmed by new traffic patterns as the > county grows. As an example, she noted that Route > 123 at Burke Centre Parkway has more traffic because > drivers are trying to get to the nearby Fairfax > County Parkway. > > "With changing traffic patterns, we find high > volumes in new places," she said. > > Alexandria Mayor Kerry J. Donley (D) said the city > already has begun making improvements to many of the > intersections that AAA cited. The intersection of > Duke and Walker streets, which the AAA said had 16 > accidents last year, has just undergone a 12-month > renovation, he said. > > At the Seminary Road and Shirley Highway > interchange, where 15 accidents occurred last year, > improvement has been planned for years. > > "I think it's helpful," Donley said of the AAA > report. "It's good feedback for us. We monitor that > information." > > Donley said the AAA report can help to highlight the > traffic problems on relatively minor secondary roads > at a time when many people in the state legislature > and in Congress are focused on such major projects > as the Wilson Bridge and the Springfield "Mixing > Bowl" interchange. > > "It creates difficulty for us to compete for federal > or state assistance for these smaller projects when > so much attention is being paid to the larger ones," > he said. > > Hanley blamed the Virginia Department of > Transportation for moving too slowly to address > dangerous intersections like the ones highlighted in > the AAA list. She said many intersections have been > identified as problems for years and await VDOT > action. > > The state department each year approves a six-year > plan that lists projects slated to be completed > during that time period. But VDOT's critics say it > often takes much longer to get a road or > intersection built because of bureaucratic delays > and funding problems. > > "This is pointing out again how important it is to > get things on the six-year plan done," said Hanley, > a frequent critic of the transportation department. > > Joan Morris, a spokeswoman for VDOT, said state > officials are always concerned about improving > unsafe situations. > > "We work throughout the year with county police on > identifying potentially dangerous intersections so > that we can plan appropriate improvements for them," > Morris said. > > But she added that the AAA analysis may not identify > the intersections that need the most work. An > intersection with a lot of minor accidents could > rank high on the AAA list, while another > intersection with a handful of more serious crashes > does not make the list. > > "Which one is more dangerous?" she asked. > > Williams said AAA is aware of that criticism. He > said the organization plans to do a more thorough > analysis next year, possibly ranking intersections > by the amount of property damage and by the severity > of injuries. > > Until then, Williams said, the current study is > helpful for motorists. > > Donley agrees. "It's good information for the > public," he said. "If they have that information, it > potentially has a tendency to affect their behavior. > You know you are coming to one of those > intersections, you slow down and use more caution." > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:57:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14527 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:56:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199909231456.AA215351588@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: List-dc cycles , Subject: Re: Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA X-Mailer: Yeah. Looks like Glebe Rd. ought to be renamed "Wreck Road". Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Interesting, if you count N I-395 and S I-395 as the same road, there are only 9 different roads listed in the top 10 most dangerous intersections. Leon. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > The print edition included a table of the 10 worst > intersections in Arlington County, but it's not > available on the web -- > 1. Columbia Pike & Glebe Rd. [42 accidents] > 2. S. I-395 & Glebe Rd. [39] > 3. Columbia Pike & Washington Blvd. [36] > 4. S. 24th Road & Glebe Rd. [33] > 5. Arlington Blvd. & Glebe Rd. [32] > 6. Columbia Pike & George Mason Dr. [31] > 7. Arlington Blvd. & Washington Blvd. [30] > Four Mile Run Drive & Washington Blvd. [30] > 8. Columbia Pike and Monroe Street [27] > 9. N. I-395 & Washington Blvd. [27] > 10. Four Mile Run & George Mason Dr. [26] > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA > At Top: Rte. 7 at 123, Columbia Pike-Glebe > By Michael D. Shear > Washington Post Staff Writer > Thursday, September 23, 1999; Page V01 > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/23/103l-092399-idx.html > > The Automobile Association of America has named last > year's most dangerous intersections in Northern > Virginia, providing fresh evidence that a surge in > traffic on the region's streets is overwhelming the > road network and in many cases compromising safety. > > Fairfax County's 10 most dangerous intersections > each had more than 50 accidents last year, according > to the AAA. Leesburg Pike (Route 7) at Chain Bridge > Road (Route 123) led the list with 67. > > In Arlington County, the worst > intersection--Columbia Pike at Glebe Road--had 42 > accidents, while seven others in the county had 30 > or more. In Alexandria, Oronoco Street at Washington > Street had 20 accidents, the worst in that city last > year. > > Mantill Williams, a spokesman for the AAA's Potomac > region, said all of the dangerous intersections > share a trait: They all have too many cars trying to > get through them each day. > > "A lot of these intersections weren't designed to > handle the number of vehicles that travel through > them," Williams said. > > In Fairfax, for example, Williams said 21,000 cars > travel daily through the intersection of Route 123 > and Burke Centre Parkway (Route 643) south of > Fairfax City. It was never meant to handle that many > cars, he said. > > "When you have that type of volume combined with > people being impatient, that's a recipe for having a > large number of accidents," he said. > > Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairman > Katherine K. Hanley (D) said older intersections are > being overwhelmed by new traffic patterns as the > county grows. As an example, she noted that Route > 123 at Burke Centre Parkway has more traffic because > drivers are trying to get to the nearby Fairfax > County Parkway. > > "With changing traffic patterns, we find high > volumes in new places," she said. > > Alexandria Mayor Kerry J. Donley (D) said the city > already has begun making improvements to many of the > intersections that AAA cited. The intersection of > Duke and Walker streets, which the AAA said had 16 > accidents last year, has just undergone a 12-month > renovation, he said. > > At the Seminary Road and Shirley Highway > interchange, where 15 accidents occurred last year, > improvement has been planned for years. > > "I think it's helpful," Donley said of the AAA > report. "It's good feedback for us. We monitor that > information." > > Donley said the AAA report can help to highlight the > traffic problems on relatively minor secondary roads > at a time when many people in the state legislature > and in Congress are focused on such major projects > as the Wilson Bridge and the Springfield "Mixing > Bowl" interchange. > > "It creates difficulty for us to compete for federal > or state assistance for these smaller projects when > so much attention is being paid to the larger ones," > he said. > > Hanley blamed the Virginia Department of > Transportation for moving too slowly to address > dangerous intersections like the ones highlighted in > the AAA list. She said many intersections have been > identified as problems for years and await VDOT > action. > > The state department each year approves a six-year > plan that lists projects slated to be completed > during that time period. But VDOT's critics say it > often takes much longer to get a road or > intersection built because of bureaucratic delays > and funding problems. > > "This is pointing out again how important it is to > get things on the six-year plan done," said Hanley, > a frequent critic of the transportation department. > > Joan Morris, a spokeswoman for VDOT, said state > officials are always concerned about improving > unsafe situations. > > "We work throughout the year with county police on > identifying potentially dangerous intersections so > that we can plan appropriate improvements for them," > Morris said. > > But she added that the AAA analysis may not identify > the intersections that need the most work. An > intersection with a lot of minor accidents could > rank high on the AAA list, while another > intersection with a handful of more serious crashes > does not make the list. > > "Which one is more dangerous?" she asked. > > Williams said AAA is aware of that criticism. He > said the organization plans to do a more thorough > analysis next year, possibly ranking intersections > by the amount of property damage and by the severity > of injuries. > > Until then, Williams said, the current study is > helpful for motorists. > > Donley agrees. "It's good information for the > public," he said. "If they have that information, it > potentially has a tendency to affect their behavior. > You know you are coming to one of those > intersections, you slow down and use more caution." > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 14:57:34 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14537 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09422 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:57:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Polarized shades [was: Clean'in Up...] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Peter Hartzler wrote: > I've heard that polarized shades are not a good thing while riding, > because they can make it harder to see wet spots and oil spots on the > road. I've found the opposite to be true - with the polarized sunglasses I can see spots on the pavement much better than with non-polarized ones. > The colors you get when looking through your visor w/ polarizing shades > are due to basic physical properties of your visor and polarized light, > and there is nothing you can do to get rid of these colors. Thankfully I do not have this problem with my polarized sunglasses, Fog City shield, and AGV helmet... With the polarized sunglesses things seem clearer. The only other big difference I can tell is that you can see weird colors in car windows (and, no, I'm not tripping... :) ). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 15:03:30 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14639 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:03:29 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6PDZa27996 (4331); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35b4ecf6.251bd35c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:02:52 EDT Subject: Re: Shoei Synchrotec [was: Helmet question] To: rmeyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/23/1999 2:54:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rmeyer@XXXXXX writes: << Speaking of money . I've heard so many good things about Aerostitch suits that I was just about to order one. Then I went to their web site and saw the prices. Gasp! Does anyone have any experience with cheaper one piece riding suits (like Tour Master, maybe)? Any comments about them? Thanks, and thanks again for all the comments about Sport Touring Accessories. Doesn't sound like I can go wrong buying from them. Bob '92 ST1100 >> Check out Colleen's site for a 'stitch. She said that she was gonna be posting one within the next couple days. Her site is www.leatherexchange.com. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 15:11:30 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14732 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09023; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <039201bf05f8$57d776f0$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <19990922155206.24510.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: great deals on gear Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:17:56 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Just to let everyone know, there are some good deals here on all sorts of stuff. I'd buy a used 'stich, but the only have one pieces in my size. Kirt 1999 CBR 600F4 > Another place to look for used suits is the BMW Motorcycle Marketplace, > http://www.ibmwr.org/marketplace/ You want to browse by apparel. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 15:12:39 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14810 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990923192251.23696.rocketmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:22:51 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:22:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shoei Synchrotec [was: Helmet question] To: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob Meyer wrote: > Speaking of money . I've heard so many good > things about Aerostitch > suits that I was just about to order one. Then I > went to their web site > and saw the prices. Gasp! Does anyone have any > experience with cheaper > one piece riding suits (like Tour Master, maybe)? I've only used two Aerostich suits (both are still in use but looking worn) during the life of the last 3 bikes. I spend about as much on Aerostich suits as I do on helmets and gloves. The suit lasts a long time. If you're a standard size, you can watch the web site and get a leftover or used or whatever for less money. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 15:15:34 1999 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14879 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:15:33 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2GPRa08594 (4322); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28b07867.251bd62d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:14:53 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Shoei Synchrotec [was: Helmet question] To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 >Check out Colleen's site for a 'stitch. She said that she was gonna be >posting one within the next couple days. Her site is www.leatherexchange.com. Thanks Scooter, I haven't posted it, because a lister is coming by tonight to try it on. If he doesn't buy it, I will put it on my website. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 16:41:54 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16163 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-13.patriot.net [209.249.180.13]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17301; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:41:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37EA8F21.5FF0175B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:35:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: hehehe References: <01BF05CC.365D1380.bernescut@ncea.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Har har har - and how true. One of my fellow searchers commented that my Hawg was awful dirty and asked when I was gonna wash it. "Next time it rains," sez me. He was rendered speechless. And I'll never forget the *looks* from a pack of Harley posers in front of a pub in Chatonoga TN when I rolled in after 600 miles of killing southern bugs which included 3 rain showers. It was like I had violated the virgin mary or something. Bill `93 FLHS - sometimes clean Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I did almost crash the other day though. I was riding on 495 when I passed > a guy on a Heritage Softail riding IN THE RAIN! > I was so shocked I turned to stare and almost rear-ended the SUV in front > of me. Never have seen one where the owner actually let it get wet > before:) > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 Hurricane > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Rapp [SMTP:rrapp@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 12:22 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: hehehe > > At 11:28 AM 9/23/99 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > >Year round also; Annandale to Georgetown. Yesterday I rode in on 66 > >alongside a really good looking FZR and a silver Goldwing. Today I rode > in > >with a plain Ford sedan with extra antennas, the EBC pads proved their > >worth. He didn't notice the sudden fork dive ;). > > > >Cedric > >1987 CBR600 Hurricane > >AMA 663626 > >Annandale, VA > > I'm a year-rounder also (Olney to Greenbelt) though sometimes I'm > pedalling, like this morning. ;^) I did see 2 Hogs and a KZ, I think, on > NH Ave today. > > Regards, > > Bob > > 97 VFR > HRCA #934354 > USCF #0148806 (for you bicycle enthusiasts) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 16:44:42 1999 Return-Path: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16251 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX Received: from ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2YGAa06003 (3967) for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:44:04 EDT Subject: M/c Insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Looking for low cost motorcycle insurance in northern Virginia. Anyone who can recommend a good agent/company, please speak forth.... Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 16:49:20 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16292 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-13.patriot.net [209.249.180.13]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18220; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:48:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37EA90D3.14189BF1@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:42:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles , mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA References: <199909231456.AA215351588@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E60066A09313CC7DB7340689" --------------E60066A09313CC7DB7340689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I go thru the I-395/Glebe dal every day - twice, but it's stll a wimpy wreck site compared to my home base intersection - Braddock & Backlick. At least one a day. You gotta wtach for left turnes, red light runners, AND navigate the broken glass and auto piecey-parts. Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > Yeah. Looks like Glebe Rd. ought to be renamed "Wreck Road". > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Leon Begeman > Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:07:33 -0700 (PDT) > > Interesting, if you count N I-395 and S I-395 as the > same road, there are only 9 different roads listed in > the top 10 most dangerous intersections. > > Leon. > > --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > The print edition included a table of the 10 worst > > intersections in Arlington County, but it's not > > available on the web -- > > 1. Columbia Pike & Glebe Rd. [42 accidents] > > 2. S. I-395 & Glebe Rd. [39] > > 3. Columbia Pike & Washington Blvd. [36] > > 4. S. 24th Road & Glebe Rd. [33] > > 5. Arlington Blvd. & Glebe Rd. [32] > > 6. Columbia Pike & George Mason Dr. [31] > > 7. Arlington Blvd. & Washington Blvd. [30] > > Four Mile Run Drive & Washington Blvd. [30] > > 8. Columbia Pike and Monroe Street [27] > > 9. N. I-395 & Washington Blvd. [27] > > 10. Four Mile Run & George Mason Dr. [26] > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA > > At Top: Rte. 7 at 123, Columbia Pike-Glebe > > By Michael D. Shear > > Washington Post Staff Writer > > Thursday, September 23, 1999; Page V01 > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/23/103l-092399-idx.html > > > > The Automobile Association of America has named last > > year's most dangerous intersections in Northern > > Virginia, providing fresh evidence that a surge in > > traffic on the region's streets is overwhelming the > > road network and in many cases compromising safety. > > > > Fairfax County's 10 most dangerous intersections > > each had more than 50 accidents last year, according > > to the AAA. Leesburg Pike (Route 7) at Chain Bridge > > Road (Route 123) led the list with 67. > > > > In Arlington County, the worst > > intersection--Columbia Pike at Glebe Road--had 42 > > accidents, while seven others in the county had 30 > > or more. In Alexandria, Oronoco Street at Washington > > Street had 20 accidents, the worst in that city last > > year. > > > > Mantill Williams, a spokesman for the AAA's Potomac > > region, said all of the dangerous intersections > > share a trait: They all have too many cars trying to > > get through them each day. > > > > "A lot of these intersections weren't designed to > > handle the number of vehicles that travel through > > them," Williams said. > > > > In Fairfax, for example, Williams said 21,000 cars > > travel daily through the intersection of Route 123 > > and Burke Centre Parkway (Route 643) south of > > Fairfax City. It was never meant to handle that many > > cars, he said. > > > > "When you have that type of volume combined with > > people being impatient, that's a recipe for having a > > large number of accidents," he said. > > > > Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairman > > Katherine K. Hanley (D) said older intersections are > > being overwhelmed by new traffic patterns as the > > county grows. As an example, she noted that Route > > 123 at Burke Centre Parkway has more traffic because > > drivers are trying to get to the nearby Fairfax > > County Parkway. > > > > "With changing traffic patterns, we find high > > volumes in new places," she said. > > > > Alexandria Mayor Kerry J. Donley (D) said the city > > already has begun making improvements to many of the > > intersections that AAA cited. The intersection of > > Duke and Walker streets, which the AAA said had 16 > > accidents last year, has just undergone a 12-month > > renovation, he said. > > > > At the Seminary Road and Shirley Highway > > interchange, where 15 accidents occurred last year, > > improvement has been planned for years. > > > > "I think it's helpful," Donley said of the AAA > > report. "It's good feedback for us. We monitor that > > information." > > > > Donley said the AAA report can help to highlight the > > traffic problems on relatively minor secondary roads > > at a time when many people in the state legislature > > and in Congress are focused on such major projects > > as the Wilson Bridge and the Springfield "Mixing > > Bowl" interchange. > > > > "It creates difficulty for us to compete for federal > > or state assistance for these smaller projects when > > so much attention is being paid to the larger ones," > > he said. > > > > Hanley blamed the Virginia Department of > > Transportation for moving too slowly to address > > dangerous intersections like the ones highlighted in > > the AAA list. She said many intersections have been > > identified as problems for years and await VDOT > > action. > > > > The state department each year approves a six-year > > plan that lists projects slated to be completed > > during that time period. But VDOT's critics say it > > often takes much longer to get a road or > > intersection built because of bureaucratic delays > > and funding problems. > > > > "This is pointing out again how important it is to > > get things on the six-year plan done," said Hanley, > > a frequent critic of the transportation department. > > > > Joan Morris, a spokeswoman for VDOT, said state > > officials are always concerned about improving > > unsafe situations. > > > > "We work throughout the year with county police on > > identifying potentially dangerous intersections so > > that we can plan appropriate improvements for them," > > Morris said. > > > > But she added that the AAA analysis may not identify > > the intersections that need the most work. An > > intersection with a lot of minor accidents could > > rank high on the AAA list, while another > > intersection with a handful of more serious crashes > > does not make the list. > > > > "Which one is more dangerous?" she asked. > > > > Williams said AAA is aware of that criticism. He > > said the organization plans to do a more thorough > > analysis next year, possibly ranking intersections > > by the amount of property damage and by the severity > > of injuries. > > > > Until then, Williams said, the current study is > > helpful for motorists. > > > > Donley agrees. "It's good information for the > > public," he said. "If they have that information, it > > potentially has a tendency to affect their behavior. > > You know you are coming to one of those > > intersections, you slow down and use more caution." > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com --------------E60066A09313CC7DB7340689 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I go thru the I-395/Glebe dal every day - twice, but it's stll a wimpy wreck site compared to my home base intersection - Braddock & Backlick. At least one a day. You gotta wtach for left turnes, red light runners, AND navigate the broken glass and auto piecey-parts.

Bill
 

Chris Norloff wrote:

Yeah.  Looks like Glebe Rd. ought to be renamed "Wreck Road".

Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX>
Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:07:33 -0700 (PDT)

Interesting, if you count  N I-395 and S I-395 as the
same road, there are only 9 different roads listed in
the top 10 most dangerous intersections.

Leon.

--- Chris Norloff <cnorloff@XXXXXX> wrote:
> The print edition included a table of the 10 worst
> intersections in Arlington County, but it's not
> available on the web --
> 1. Columbia Pike & Glebe Rd. [42 accidents]
> 2. S. I-395 & Glebe Rd. [39]
> 3. Columbia Pike & Washington Blvd. [36]
> 4. S. 24th Road & Glebe Rd. [33]
> 5. Arlington Blvd. & Glebe Rd. [32]
> 6. Columbia Pike & George Mason Dr. [31]
> 7. Arlington Blvd. & Washington Blvd. [30]
>    Four Mile Run Drive & Washington Blvd. [30]
> 8. Columbia Pike and Monroe Street [27]
> 9. N. I-395 & Washington Blvd. [27]
> 10. Four Mile Run & George Mason Dr. [26]
>
>
------------------------------------------------------
> Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA
> At Top: Rte. 7 at 123, Columbia Pike-Glebe
> By Michael D. Shear
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Thursday, September 23, 1999; Page V01
>
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/23/103l-092399-idx.html
>
> The Automobile Association of America has named last
> year's most dangerous intersections in Northern
> Virginia, providing fresh evidence that a surge in
> traffic on the region's streets is overwhelming the
> road network and in many cases compromising safety.
>
> Fairfax County's 10 most dangerous intersections
> each had more than 50 accidents last year, according
> to the AAA. Leesburg Pike (Route 7) at Chain Bridge
> Road (Route 123) led the list with 67.
>
> In Arlington County, the worst
> intersection--Columbia Pike at Glebe Road--had 42
> accidents, while seven others in the county had 30
> or more. In Alexandria, Oronoco Street at Washington
> Street had 20 accidents, the worst in that city last
> year.
>
> Mantill Williams, a spokesman for the AAA's Potomac
> region, said all of the dangerous intersections
> share a trait: They all have too many cars trying to
> get through them each day.
>
> "A lot of these intersections weren't designed to
> handle the number of vehicles that travel through
> them," Williams said.
>
> In Fairfax, for example, Williams said 21,000 cars
> travel daily through the intersection of Route 123
> and Burke Centre Parkway (Route 643) south of
> Fairfax City. It was never meant to handle that many
> cars, he said.
>
> "When you have that type of volume combined with
> people being impatient, that's a recipe for having a
> large number of accidents," he said.
>
> Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairman
> Katherine K. Hanley (D) said older intersections are
> being overwhelmed by new traffic patterns as the
> county grows. As an example, she noted that Route
> 123 at Burke Centre Parkway has more traffic because
> drivers are trying to get to the nearby Fairfax
> County Parkway.
>
> "With changing traffic patterns, we find high
> volumes in new places," she said.
>
> Alexandria Mayor Kerry J. Donley (D) said the city
> already has begun making improvements to many of the
> intersections that AAA cited. The intersection of
> Duke and Walker streets, which the AAA said had 16
> accidents last year, has just undergone a 12-month
> renovation, he said.
>
> At the Seminary Road and Shirley Highway
> interchange, where 15 accidents occurred last year,
> improvement has been planned for years.
>
> "I think it's helpful," Donley said of the AAA
> report. "It's good feedback for us. We monitor that
> information."
>
> Donley said the AAA report can help to highlight the
> traffic problems on relatively minor secondary roads
> at a time when many people in the state legislature
> and in Congress are focused on such major projects
> as the Wilson Bridge and the Springfield "Mixing
> Bowl" interchange.
>
> "It creates difficulty for us to compete for federal
> or state assistance for these smaller projects when
> so much attention is being paid to the larger ones,"
> he said.
>
> Hanley blamed the Virginia Department of
> Transportation for moving too slowly to address
> dangerous intersections like the ones highlighted in
> the AAA list. She said many intersections have been
> identified as problems for years and await VDOT
> action.
>
> The state department each year approves a six-year
> plan that lists projects slated to be completed
> during that time period. But VDOT's critics say it
> often takes much longer to get a road or
> intersection built because of bureaucratic delays
> and funding problems.
>
> "This is pointing out again how important it is to
> get things on the six-year plan done," said Hanley,
> a frequent critic of the transportation department.
>
> Joan Morris, a spokeswoman for VDOT, said state
> officials are always concerned about improving
> unsafe situations.
>
> "We work throughout the year with county police on
> identifying potentially dangerous intersections so
> that we can plan appropriate improvements for them,"
> Morris said.
>
> But she added that the AAA analysis may not identify
> the intersections that need the most work. An
> intersection with a lot of minor accidents could
> rank high on the AAA list, while another
> intersection with a handful of more serious crashes
> does not make the list.
>
> "Which one is more dangerous?" she asked.
>
> Williams said AAA is aware of that criticism. He
> said the organization plans to do a more thorough
> analysis next year, possibly ranking intersections
> by the amount of property damage and by the severity
> of injuries.
>
> Until then, Williams said, the current study is
> helpful for motorists.
>
> Donley agrees. "It's good information for the
> public," he said. "If they have that information, it
> potentially has a tendency to affect their behavior.
> You know you are coming to one of those
> intersections, you slow down and use more caution."
>
>
>
>

__________________________________________________
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

--------------E60066A09313CC7DB7340689-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 16:53:25 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from nabmail01.nab.usace.army.mil ([155.78.60.54]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16391 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NABMAIL01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:53:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Advise.... Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:53:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, I just came home for work.. riding the same route I always do (Cherry Hill to Powdermill in College Park, MD). Anyway, the roads are 35mph and 40 respectivly - I typically ride them at 5~10 over... today I had a Red Toyota Corrolla license plate # GJW-020 with for-sale signs in beoth the front and rear windows pratically run me over from behind (I'moverly cautious about this since I was hit on Powdermill not 7 months ago) - he was weaving all over the road, and about a foot off my rear tire.. so I slowed down. He got closer, eventually pulling into the oncoming lane (this is a 2-way, semi-residental street - moderatally heavily traveled) and cut in tight on my front tire getting back in my lane.. I just slowed up a bit more to give him all the room he wanted (after getting the plate and car info). So, I feel that my life (er, ok.. just limbs) was fairly endangered, as was those of others driving on the road.. call the cops? Or just let the situation go as this happens at least 2 times a week (not the same exact situation, but similar events.. it's gone down since I chopped my commute to 10 miles round-trip). So.. thoughts, opinions? Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 17:13:53 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16776 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:13:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199909231713.AA17826030@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Bill Huson CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: hehehe X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:35:45 -0400 >Har har har - and how true. One of my fellow searchers commented that > my Hawg was awful dirty and asked when I was gonna wash it. "Next > time it rains," sez me. He was rendered speechless. And I'll never > forget the *looks* from a pack of Harley posers in front of a pub in > Chatonoga TN when I rolled in after 600 miles of killing southern > bugs which included 3 rain showers. It was like I had violated the > virgin mary or something. Bill, Remind me to buy you a drink sometime. I admire a rider who isn't afraid of a little road dirt or a few miles on the odometer. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 17:18:43 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16841 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:18:42 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2ZLBa15613 (4332); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35b5f552.251bf309@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:18:01 EDT Subject: Re: Shoei Synchrotec [was: Helmet question] To: MotorLE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/23/1999 3:14:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MotorLE writes: << Thanks Scooter, I haven't posted it, because a lister is coming by tonight to try it on. If he doesn't buy it, I will put it on my website. Colleen >> You're welcome. Always gotta plug our favorite entrepreneur. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 17:22:17 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16928 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id hKQG0.HF4P (4332); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6449bce5.251bf3dc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:21:32 EDT Subject: Re: Advise.... To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/23/1999 5:00:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << call the cops? Or just let the situation go as this happens at least 2 times a week (not the same exact situation, but similar events.. it's gone down since I chopped my commute to 10 miles round-trip). So.. thoughts, opinions? Brian McCoy >> Yes. Turn'em in. I think that would be called wreckless driving or at least endangerment. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Calling the cops does absolutly nothing, unless you can immediatly pull over, call them on a cell, and have them *see* the offender doing something illegal. Reporting it after the fact gets you a, "Sorry, but there's not much we can do unless we witness the violation". (Gee, think I've tried this?). One would surmise that you could somehow sue them in a civil court, but I don't know enough about it to even make a guess. - Brian On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Ok, I just came home for work.. riding the same route I always do (Cherry > Hill to Powdermill in College Park, MD). Anyway, the roads are 35mph and 40 > respectivly - I typically ride them at 5~10 over... today I had a Red Toyota > Corrolla license plate # GJW-020 with for-sale signs in beoth the front and > rear windows pratically run me over from behind (I'moverly cautious about > this since I was hit on Powdermill not 7 months ago) - he was weaving all > over the road, and about a foot off my rear tire.. so I slowed down. He got > closer, eventually pulling into the oncoming lane (this is a 2-way, > semi-residental street - moderatally heavily traveled) and cut in tight on > my front tire getting back in my lane.. I just slowed up a bit more to give > him all the room he wanted (after getting the plate and car info). So, I > feel that my life (er, ok.. just limbs) was fairly endangered, as was those > of others driving on the road.. call the cops? Or just let the situation go > as this happens at least 2 times a week (not the same exact situation, but > similar events.. it's gone down since I chopped my commute to 10 miles > round-trip). > > So.. thoughts, opinions? > > Brian McCoy > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 17:41:43 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17198 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06833; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <048901bf060d$514c0020$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Bruce Norton" , "DC Cycles" References: <028b01bf060a$39756de0$9b73c3d0@bruce> Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:48:05 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 OH OH....do this...call him, arrange to see the car by meeting him at his house. Get the address, and then go to www.dogdoo.com and send one of there specail Poo Poo Grande revenge packages. hahahahaha Kirt 99 F4 "feeling a tad immature today" > Feelgood response: > Didja get the phone # on the for sale sign? Call him up and arrange to meet and > look at the car, then a whole bunch of us show up and 'ask' him why he road > rages on motorcycles. > > Ok, I just came home for work.. riding the same route I always do (Cherry > > Hill to Powdermill in College Park, MD). Anyway, the roads are 35mph and 40 > > respectivly - I typically ride them at 5~10 over... today I had a Red Toyota > > Corrolla license plate # GJW-020 with for-sale signs in beoth the front and > > rear windows pratically run me over from behind (I'moverly cautious about > > this since I was hit on Powdermill not 7 months ago) - he was weaving all > > over the road, and about a foot off my rear tire.. so I slowed down. He got > > closer, eventually pulling into the oncoming lane (this is a 2-way, > > semi-residental street - moderatally heavily traveled) and cut in tight on > > my front tire getting back in my lane.. I just slowed up a bit more to give > > him all the room he wanted (after getting the plate and car info). So, I > > feel that my life (er, ok.. just limbs) was fairly endangered, as was those > > of others driving on the road.. call the cops? Or just let the situation go > > as this happens at least 2 times a week (not the same exact situation, but > > similar events.. it's gone down since I chopped my commute to 10 miles > > round-trip). > > > > So.. thoughts, opinions? > > > > Brian McCoy > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 18:17:17 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA17722 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990923221649.16991.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:16:49 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [D207] tire pressures To: Thomas and Jeannette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > Why don't you call Dunlop and ask them why they list > using the maximum > pressure rather than being an insulting jerk (you > could have put it another > way... it was offensive). I'm actually pretty sure it wasn't you who was running 42/42...I thought you recommended 38/42 or something. Had a few cocktails before I wrote that one, but I still don't see the extreme insult that you feel has been made. > I was only stating what > was recommended BY Dunlop > AND that those pressures seem to work just fine for > me. > I ride the piss out > of my bike, I could care less about tire mileage, > and I have yet to have an > incident where the bike felt like it was going to > slide. Again, see above, but I'm certain Dunlop recommends pressures for average street riding. I don't recommend 'riding the piss' out of a sportbike with tire pressures as high as I was referring to, but if you're comfortable with it.... > I was running in > the lower 30 psi range and was uncomfortable with > the way that the bike > handled. I filled the tires to what was recommended > by Dunlop and all has > been great ever since. Good. My experience with higher pressures and higher-speed cornering has been different than yours. Might try to lighten up a little, dood. Everybody has their preferences. Some just voice them a little differently. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 18:35:36 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18034 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA21219; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bf0614$04ae2f20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <19990923221649.16991.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: [D207] tire pressures Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:36:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In the past you have always been one to give me a bunch of shit... must have for a month bothered me about how I built up my bike and how worhtless a sportbike it is, etc... sometime during last summer. So I took it as such... maybe ix-nay on the head up the ass coments, etc. and you'll be less likely to get your head taken off when you post. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer To: Thomas and Jeannette ; Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [D207] tire pressures > --- Thomas and Jeannette > wrote: > > Why don't you call Dunlop and ask them why they list > > using the maximum > > pressure rather than being an insulting jerk (you > > could have put it another > > way... it was offensive). > > I'm actually pretty sure it wasn't you who was running > 42/42...I thought you recommended 38/42 or something. > Had a few cocktails before I wrote that one, but I > still don't see the extreme insult that you feel has > been made. > > > > > I was only stating what > > was recommended BY Dunlop > > AND that those pressures seem to work just fine for > > me. > > I ride the piss out > > of my bike, I could care less about tire mileage, > > and I have yet to have an > > incident where the bike felt like it was going to > > slide. > > Again, see above, but I'm certain Dunlop recommends > pressures for average street riding. I don't > recommend 'riding the piss' out of a sportbike with > tire pressures as high as I was referring to, but if > you're comfortable with it.... > > > > > I was running in > > the lower 30 psi range and was uncomfortable with > > the way that the bike > > handled. I filled the tires to what was recommended > > by Dunlop and all has > > been great ever since. > > Good. My experience with higher pressures and > higher-speed cornering has been different than yours. > Might try to lighten up a little, dood. Everybody has > their preferences. Some just voice them a little > differently. > > > -- > tg > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 18:43:28 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18165 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA23619; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01bf0614$a12a9be0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Kirt S." , "Bruce Norton" , "DC Cycles" References: <028b01bf060a$39756de0$9b73c3d0@bruce> <048901bf060d$514c0020$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 We could always take Zeus over to his house instead... let the guy come close to meeting his maker. People are afraid of Pit Bulls anyway in PG County... just show up with him and make suer that the guy knows that you're angry! So... when are we going?? :-) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirt S. To: Bruce Norton ; DC Cycles Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' > OH OH....do this...call him, arrange to see the car by meeting him at his > house. Get the address, and then go to www.dogdoo.com and send one of there > specail Poo Poo Grande revenge packages. hahahahaha > > Kirt > 99 F4 > "feeling a tad immature today" > > > > > Feelgood response: > > Didja get the phone # on the for sale sign? Call him up and arrange to > meet and > > look at the car, then a whole bunch of us show up and 'ask' him why he > road > > rages on motorcycles. > > > Ok, I just came home for work.. riding the same route I always do > (Cherry > > > Hill to Powdermill in College Park, MD). Anyway, the roads are 35mph > and 40 > > > respectivly - I typically ride them at 5~10 over... today I had a Red > Toyota > > > Corrolla license plate # GJW-020 with for-sale signs in beoth the front > and > > > rear windows pratically run me over from behind (I'moverly cautious > about > > > this since I was hit on Powdermill not 7 months ago) - he was weaving > all > > > over the road, and about a foot off my rear tire.. so I slowed down. He > got > > > closer, eventually pulling into the oncoming lane (this is a 2-way, > > > semi-residental street - moderatally heavily traveled) and cut in tight > on > > > my front tire getting back in my lane.. I just slowed up a bit more to > give > > > him all the room he wanted (after getting the plate and car info). So, > I > > > feel that my life (er, ok.. just limbs) was fairly endangered, as was > those > > > of others driving on the road.. call the cops? Or just let the > situation go > > > as this happens at least 2 times a week (not the same exact situation, > but > > > similar events.. it's gone down since I chopped my commute to 10 miles > > > round-trip). > > > > > > So.. thoughts, opinions? > > > > > > Brian McCoy > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 18:48:22 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18227 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (207-172-49-235.s235.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.49.235]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14043 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:47:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990923184455.00c21b10@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:47:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: WVA Route Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ok, I'm headed to YEE HAH West Virginia tomorrow to go rafting. I'm taking the bike while cages carry my gear. I'm looking at Streets 98 for a route, and right now I see 66 to 55 to 81 to 64 West to 60 West to 19 South, landing me in Oak Hill, WVA. The trip by cage on slab should take 4 hours. I need better roads, and I have a 6 hour cap. Any alternate suggestions? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 19:20:16 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18824 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:20:14 -0400 (EDT) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rALPsP.YS_ (4529); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:18 EDT Subject: **YORK HD OPEN HOUSE SATURDAY RIDE** To: Spike574@XXXXXX, ZX6RKAW@XXXXXX, Gcfnb@XXXXXX, JMille5592@XXXXXX, BOOKEMinDC@XXXXXX, Carolbiker@XXXXXX, MOTOCYCLER@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX, BBtintop@XXXXXX, ERICARCHER@XXXXXX, KAT88888@XXXXXX, LBKIII@XXXXXX, HarleyDew@XXXXXX, Wizzette32@XXXXXX, Hdavbabe@XXXXXX, JTEE007@XXXXXX, peter@XXXXXX, leggo@XXXXXX, Tommyd42@XXXXXX, EODyna@XXXXXX, GUFEAR@XXXXXX, LaceWheels@XXXXXX, Ruffinmug@XXXXXX, pgerhardt@XXXXXX, Chuckbiker@XXXXXX, Onebil2mny@XXXXXX, Dadnhisboy@XXXXXX, chydro@XXXXXX, jim.disney@XXXXXX, RBeemanP@XXXXXX, paulnovy@XXXXXX, Postman53@XXXXXX, Geeshaw@XXXXXX, EZRyder421@XXXXXX, Ladytaz47@XXXXXX, Ndmny@XXXXXX, gen.patton@XXXXXX, BlackcatU2@XXXXXX, BOBSFATBOY@XXXXXX, L80BOSS@XXXXXX, SWAMPHAGG@XXXXXX, Amemom@XXXXXX, klowens@XXXXXX, SMITHCAR69@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 PLEASE CONTACT PHIL LUNG at phil@XXXXXX if you want to ride up to the HD Open House on Saturday and play (I mean stay) late. He and a few others are ready to roll, but don't have the details. Have fun!! lbb From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 19:28:16 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18944 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20801 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:28:12 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:10:03 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF05F7.3D798BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: M/c Insurance Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:10:02 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://motorcycle.progressive.com/quote.htm They saved me some money. I haven't tried Nationwide though, so I can't compare. I did once call Allstate and their quote was much less in Virginia than anyone else's, but I got lazy and stayed with Progresive because they answer the phone at 1:00am, which strangely enough, is important to me. YMMV Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX [SMTP:ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: M/c Insurance Looking for low cost motorcycle insurance in northern Virginia. Anyone who can recommend a good agent/company, please speak forth.... Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 19:43:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19206 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16348 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16025 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf15-77.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.77]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA04708; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:42:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dc-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Year 2000 Hayabusa, GSXR750 and TL1000R Pictures! Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/2000busa.html Gotta love that new tail on the 750! Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com WEB: http://www.tl1000.com '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 20:04:10 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19513 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-211.patriot.net [209.249.180.211]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA04812; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:04:01 -0400 Message-ID: <37EABE96.28921F88@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:58:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas and Jeannette CC: "Kirt S." , Bruce Norton , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' References: <028b01bf060a$39756de0$9b73c3d0@bruce> <048901bf060d$514c0020$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <002b01bf0614$a12a9be0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just stay outta thier way. Had one idjit pass me on a 25 MPH double yellow busy residential street near Crystal City - while blatthering on his cell phone. One of a half dozen stupid moves I observed today. Keep scanning - keep dodging - and keep riding. Bill Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > We could always take Zeus over to his house instead... let the guy come > close to meeting his maker. People are afraid of Pit Bulls anyway in PG > County... just show up with him and make suer that the guy knows that you're > angry! So... when are we going?? :-) > > Tom From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 20:06:52 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19592 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-211.patriot.net [209.249.180.211]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA05037; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:06:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37EABF3B.E62C80E4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:00:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: M/c Insurance References: <01BF05F7.3D798BA0.bernescut@ncea.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $360/yr, full coverage, full replacement value on my Hawg from State Farm. However, SF doesn't have multi-bike discount and doesn't offer MSF ridercourse discounts. They're picky on sportbikes too. Go for the bottom line but make damn sure the coverage is there. Bill Cedric Bernescut wrote: > http://motorcycle.progressive.com/quote.htm > > They saved me some money. I haven't tried Nationwide though, so I can't > compare. I did once call Allstate and their quote was much less in > Virginia than anyone else's, but I got lazy and stayed with Progresive > because they answer the phone at 1:00am, which strangely enough, is > important to me. YMMV > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 Hurricane > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > -----Original Message----- > From: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX [SMTP:ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:44 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: M/c Insurance > > Looking for low cost motorcycle insurance in northern Virginia. Anyone who > can recommend a good agent/company, please speak forth.... > > Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 20:12:06 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19693 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-100-18.s272.tnt10.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.100.18]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13662 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EAC1E5.92183614@erols.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:12:22 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Pressures and Head Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tom Gimer wrote: > I've been doing a little personal research on the > street and acquired research on other lists since the > last tire (D207) pressure thread. > > No offense meant, but whoever has been running MAX > load pressure in their tires, i.e., 42 psi, has their > proverbial head up their ass. Conserving tire life is > one thing, but I'd rather preserve life and limb. > > I'm goin' back to 34f/36r (from 36/38 inspired > (increased) by the latest 'knowledge')....and even > that is a little too high for most that like to wick > it up in the twisties. > If you hear an echo, it's because I'm talkiing to you out of my ass. I've been running max cold tire inflation pressures front and rear on all my bikes (from a '75 RD250 to a '92 Ducati 851 to my current '97 Triumph T509) for over 20 years, without ever feeling I was endangering my life and limb. (Not that I've ever been known to wick it up in the twisties; just a simple touring rider, myownself....) At the track, I go by the Dunlop tire rep's reco. Tim -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia E-mail respondents: change the number ‘2’ in the reply-to address to the word “to”. The correct reply-to address should read ‘tomorrow erols.com’. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 21:07:35 1999 Return-Path: mcycleracr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20424 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO nabe1re31009) (155.78.60.151) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1999 18:12:26 -0700 Message-ID: <01e601bf02af$fba7e540$973c4e9b@nabe1re31009> From: "Brian McCoy" To: References: <37EAC1E5.92183614@erols.com> Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:02:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Yea.. and didn't you end up sliding face-first towards T6 at some point? *grin* All goes to show that HIGHER tire pressures are SAFER.. ;) So.. who's actually going to be on a bike and riding this weekend? Any long, one day trips planned (600+ miles?) I wanna get out and take in the sites on one of the last 3 weekends I'll be in the area... (actually, planning on going out with someone on Sunday already... though they might be willing to follow another person or two..) Brian McCoy WERA Novice #574 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Morrow At the track, I go by the Dunlop tire rep's reco. Tim _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 21:09:10 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20434 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:09:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nYWAa12678 (4461); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5c8bbf43.251c290d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:08:29 EDT Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: tomorrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 As far as having my head up my ass. I have run recommended pressure on my my ZXR9 since I bought it in March of 98. No problems, and the BT56s are still good after 8K miles. By the way, I am not the slowest guy on street rides, I just blow up bikes on the track. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 21:18:05 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20560 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0164.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.196]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA24032; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EAFD38.7377@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:25:28 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas and Jeannette CC: vfrlist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: VFR spotting in Arlington, VA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Thomas and Jeannette" > Blue '87 VFR700F2 (assuming) headed west on Rt. 50 just after Washington = > Blvd. Took the left onto Filmore, right onto the service road, and then = > left onto Jensen(?). Rider appeared to wearing a white helmet. Very = > nice and shiny VFR! Anyone on the list? Hi Tom, Nope, that was my next-door neighbor Roger, who finally decided several months ago that Reg Pridmore's old '81 BMWR100 (no lie) left something to be desired after riding my '85 VF700F last year. The '87 is pretty sweet isn't it? He and his wife love it. (Prolly was a left on Garfield Tom, I know you remember where we live... :) John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 21:37:47 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20811 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924013747.10762.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.187] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:37:47 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:37:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [D207] tire pressures To: Thomas and Jeannette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > In the past you have always been one to give me a > bunch of shit... must have > for a month bothered me about how I built up my bike > and how worhtless a > sportbike it is, etc... sometime during last summer. Nope. I was the one who gave you shit for posting the link to the dead cyclist, claiming it made you change your ways (slowing down to a sane speed), then two weeks or so later challenging others to race! It was in good fun, but needed, IMO. And I don't give people shit about any bikes they own. I give people shit for NOT owning bikes, but that's another topic entirely. > So I took it as > such... maybe ix-nay on the head up the ass coments, > etc. and you'll be less > likely to get your head taken off when you post. Hmmm....where's the fun in that? > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Gimer > To: Thomas and Jeannette ; > > --- Thomas and Jeannette > > wrote: > > > Why don't you call Dunlop and ask them why they > > > list using the maximum > > > pressure rather than being an insulting jerk > > > (you could have put it another way... it was > > > offensive). > > > > I'm actually pretty sure it wasn't you who was > > running 42/42...I thought you recommended 38/42 or > > something. > > Had a few cocktails before I wrote that one, but I > > still don't see the extreme insult that you feel > > has been made. > > > > > > > > > I was only stating what > > > was recommended BY Dunlop > > > AND that those pressures seem to work just fine > > > for me. I ride the piss out of my bike, I could > > > care less about tire mileage, > > > and I have yet to have an > > > incident where the bike felt like it was going > > > to slide. > > > > Again, see above, but I'm certain Dunlop > > recommends pressures for average street riding. I > > don't recommend 'riding the piss' out of a > > sportbike with tire pressures as high as I was > > referring to, but if you're comfortable with it... > > > > > > > > > I was running in > > > the lower 30 psi range and was uncomfortable > > > with the way that the bike > > > handled. I filled the tires to what was > > > recommended by Dunlop and all has > > > been great ever since. > > > > Good. My experience with higher pressures and > > higher-speed cornering has been different than > > yours. Might try to lighten up a little, dood. > > Everybody has their preferences. Some just voice > > them a little differently. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 21:51:10 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA21020 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924015047.29149.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.187] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:50:47 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: tomorrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tim Morrow wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > I've been doing a little personal research on the > > street and acquired research on other lists since > > the last tire (D207) pressure thread. > > > > No offense meant, but whoever has been running MAX > > load pressure in their tires, i.e., 42 psi, has > > their proverbial head up their ass. Conserving > > tire life is one thing, but I'd rather preserve > > life and limb. > > > > I'm goin' back to 34f/36r (from 36/38 inspired > > (increased) by the latest 'knowledge')....and even > > that is a little too high for most that like to > > wick it up in the twisties. > > > > > If you hear an echo, it's because I'm talkiing to > you out of my ass --- ass -- ass - ass. How does it look in their, shitty? > I've been running max cold tire inflation pressures > front and rear on all my bikes (from a '75 RD250 to > a '92 Ducati 851 to my current '97 Triumph T509) for > over 20 years, without ever feeling I was > endangering my life and limb. (Not that I've > ever been known to wick it up in the twisties; just > a simple touring rider, myownself....) Don't know whether you're kidding about the twisties, so I'm kind of afraid to respond to it seriously. My last comment was made concerning 'riding the piss' out of a sportbike with higher pressures. If that's your cup of tea as well, please go right ahead and drink it....differing minds and whatnot. > At the track, I go by the Dunlop tire rep's reco. And this depends on certain variable track factors (temp and surface primarily) I assume? If so, then the fact that you always run max pressure in your streetbike tires seems a bit twisted to me. But hey, like I said before, go right ahead. I've got my opinion, which somehow manages to get shouted out every once in a while. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 21:58:05 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA21106 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924015743.29807.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.187] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:57:43 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: Boiade@XXXXXX, tomorrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > As far as having my head up my ass. I have run > recommended pressure on my my > ZXR9 since I bought it in March of 98. No problems, > and the BT56s are still > good after 8K miles. Recommended pressure (like what Tom Zell runs) or MAX load pressure? I'm referring to the latter as being quite strange. > By the way, I am not the > slowest guy on street rides, I > just blow up bikes on the track. I've ridden with you, Fred. You joined us last year for a short western trip. I owned a ZX-11 then. I know you're not easy on your tires, too. They've obviously lasted that long because you're running higher pressures. Ahhh....the dreaded 'head up the ass' label brings 'em outta da woodwork, don't it? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 22:26:27 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21404 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user121.anent.com [208.195.115.121]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA01372; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01bf0634$58ea9d60$7973c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , "Mike T" References: <4.2.0.58.19990923184455.00c21b10@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: WVA Route Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:27:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 How about picking up 33 west in Harrisonburg to 28 south at Judy Gap, follow 28 to 66 west through Cass to 219 south to 39 west to 19 south. SA6 shows it as 321 miles from 66 at Centreville. It'd be tough to do this in six hours unless your hauling serious butt. Even going all interstate shows as 290 miles. Avg speed for 4 hours is over 72 mph. I think all these map programs fudge a little. Bruce > Ok, I'm headed to YEE HAH West Virginia tomorrow to go rafting. I'm taking > the bike while cages carry my gear. I'm looking at Streets 98 for a route, > and right now I see 66 to 55 to 81 to 64 West to 60 West to 19 South, > landing me in Oak Hill, WVA. The trip by cage on slab should take 4 > hours. I need better roads, and I have a 6 hour cap. > > Any alternate suggestions? > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 22:48:54 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21726 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (207-172-49-235.s235.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.49.235]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14968 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:48:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990923224641.00c27980@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:47:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: WVA update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ok, I found much better roads. I hope. This sounds fun.... 66 West 55 South Front Royal 340 South Waynesboro Right on 250 West / North 340 South Left on 11 South at 81 "Lee Jackson Hwy" Right on 64 West Split on to 60 West Lookout 82 West 19 South Oak Hill _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 23 23:36:21 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22369 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA16113; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005601bf063e$044f2d20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "John C. Kozyn" Cc: References: <37EAFD38.7377@mnsinc.com> Subject: Re: VFR spotting in Arlington, VA Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:36:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 John, You should get him involved with DC Cycles as well as the VFR Lists (both the big one and the Onelist.com group). We should get together for some rides as well. Must be great having two VFRs on the same street! Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: John C. Kozyn To: Thomas and Jeannette Cc: ; Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 12:25 AM Subject: re: VFR spotting in Arlington, VA > From: "Thomas and Jeannette" > > > Blue '87 VFR700F2 (assuming) headed west on Rt. 50 just after Washington = > > Blvd. Took the left onto Filmore, right onto the service road, and then = > > left onto Jensen(?). Rider appeared to wearing a white helmet. Very = > > nice and shiny VFR! Anyone on the list? > > Hi Tom, > > Nope, that was my next-door neighbor Roger, who finally decided several > months ago that Reg Pridmore's old '81 BMWR100 (no lie) left something > to be desired after riding my '85 VF700F last year. The '87 is pretty > sweet isn't it? He and his wife love it. (Prolly was a left on Garfield > Tom, I know you remember where we live... :) > > John Kozyn > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 00:09:44 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22871 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924041156.24393.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:11:56 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: How interesting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill, The kickback just means that you aren't subscribed to that list (who was one of the recipients of the original message I believe). Most lists are set up so that only those subscribed may post. this keeps out spam or undesirable types. DCC is one of the only lists I know of that isn't this way (I'm sure there are others, I just haven't come across em) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 06:27:30 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA29359 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:27:15 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C8A1@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Peter Hartzler'" , Karl Mueller Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Polarized shades [was: Clean'in Up...] Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:27:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I have had none of the problems you guys are experiencing with polarized lenses. I ride with Hobie Polarized sunglasses with my Arai Quantum /e helmet and things are always clear and look fine. Glenn >I've heard that polarized shades are not a good thing while riding, >because they can make it harder to see wet spots and oil spots on the >road. >The colors you get when looking through your visor w/ polarizing shades >are due to basic physical properties of your visor and polarized light, >and there is nothing you can do to get rid of these colors. Basically, >plastic causes light to rotate sligtly as the light passes through, and >this rotation varies with thickness of the plastic and with the color of >the light. Your polarizing lenses then filter different colors >selectively, depending on how far they've been rotated at a given place in >your visor. >To get rid of this effect swap your shades for non-polarizing ones. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 06:30:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA29405 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA19276 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA01486 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA741521 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EB52CF.A97D02B3@radix.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:30:39 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' References: <028b01bf060a$39756de0$9b73c3d0@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Questioning response: > Is there recourse? Can you swear out a citizen's arrest for attempted assault? > You'd have to be able to positively identify the driver. Negative. The cops ( all local jurisdictions ) have to witness the event for ANY traffic infraction not resulting in major damage or injury. Same with a fist fight in most jurisdictions (don't ask how I know this ). In Fairfax, you can report them & they will send a nasty gram to them... But not the people's republic of Maryland. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 06:38:30 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA29484 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-111-19.s19.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.111.19]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25094 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EB54B4.E40D2467@erols.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:38:44 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location References: <19990924015047.29149.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Tim Morrow wrote: > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > No offense meant, but whoever has been running MAX > > > load pressure in their tires, i.e., 42 psi, has > > > their proverbial head up their ass. Conserving > > > tire life is one thing, but I'd rather preserve > > > life and limb. > > > I've been running max cold tire inflation pressures > > front and rear on all my bikes (from a '75 RD250 to > > a '92 Ducati 851 to my current '97 Triumph T509) for > > over 20 years, without ever feeling I was > > endangering my life and limb. (Not that I've > > ever been known to wick it up in the twisties; just > > a simple touring rider, myownself....) > > Don't know whether you're kidding about the twisties, > so I'm kind of afraid to respond to it seriously. Well, you've not displayed this tendency before! > My > last comment was made concerning 'riding the piss' out > of a sportbike with higher pressures. If that's your > cup of tea as well, please go right ahead and drink > it....differing minds and whatnot. Well, if it's just a case of differing minds, then why on earth would you describe those who differ from your considered opinion as having their head up their ass? (No offense meant, of course, but that just seems a mite unsocial.) > > At the track, I go by the Dunlop tire rep's reco. > > And this depends on certain variable track factors > (temp and surface primarily) I assume? If so, then > the fact that you always run max pressure in your > streetbike tires seems a bit twisted to me. Because the absolute hardest, most illegal, dangerous street riding is so far from actual racing as to be laughable. Anyone who thinks that a few pounds of tire pressure makes a difference in street riding conditions has their head.... Actually, the point is that I have ridden too hard on the street, which is one reason I took up racing, yet never once did the tire pressure make a difference on the street in my personal situation. So, the decision to run the manufacturer's maximum cold tire pressure (as marked on the sidewall of the tire) was convenient, easy to remember, easy to check, easy on tread life, and had no discernible effect on the ability of the tire to grip the road surface. > But hey, > like I said before, go right ahead. How veddy civilized of you, old chap. So much more pleasant than your prior description of those who might have a slightly differing viewpoint than you. > I've got my > opinion, which somehow manages to get shouted out > every once in a while. Really? Thanks for pointing that out. How else would we have known? Tim Morrow MSF#21769 CCS #432 WERA #430 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 07:22:19 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00136 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924112435.2526.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.203] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:24:35 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:24:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: WVA update To: Mike T , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mike T wrote: > Ok, I found much better roads. I hope. This sounds > fun.... > > 66 West > 55 South > Front Royal > 340 South > Waynesboro > Right on 250 West / North > 340 South > Left on 11 South at 81 "Lee Jackson Hwy" > Right on 64 West > Split on to 60 West > Lookout > 82 West > 19 South > Oak Hill This route sounds far too slabby to me. Why not follow Bruce Norton's advice (from an earlier message)? The only decent road in this plan that I see is US 250, and it appears you aren't intending to hit the good parts of it. Your planned route also passes right under rt 211. Doesn't make much sense to be right there and not shred it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 07:30:27 1999 Return-Path: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00261 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:30:26 -0400 (EDT) From: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from rcover (adsl-151-200-23-94.bellatlantic.net [151.200.23.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA17818 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990924072634.007ccc10@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: rcover@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:26:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' In-Reply-To: <37EB52CF.A97D02B3@radix.net> References: <028b01bf060a$39756de0$9b73c3d0@bruce> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:30 AM 9/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >Negative. The cops ( all local jurisdictions ) have to witness the event for ANY >traffic infraction not resulting in major damage or injury. Same with a fist fight >in most jurisdictions (don't ask how I know this ). In Fairfax, you can report >them & they will send a nasty gram to them... But not the people's republic of >Maryland. Call the cops. Tell them you want to lodge a complaint. While they can't do anything to this guy this time, if they receive enough complaints about the area, they will start to monitor it for a while. Of course, then you have to watch your speed and such also. If you do go this route, try to get other you know to lodge complaints about this area. Otherwise, I say just forget about it, and don't let it stress you out. Rick Landover, MD From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 07:32:57 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from nabmail01.nab.usace.army.mil ([155.78.60.54]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00271 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NABMAIL01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:32:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: FS:Tire mount Share Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:32:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For some of the newer people to the list, you may not know that a collective of DC-Cycles listers got together and bought a tire mounting machine. We were tired of the outlandish prices that shops were charging. In return for our inital depost, we received free access to the machine (well, as free as the holder of the machine can be), and a share to signify that we were a member. Well, since I'm moving out of the area in 3 weeks, my share is up for sale. I'd have to look again, but I think the inital price was $50 ?(might have been $35 - again, I'll have to look). If you're someone I know.. you might get away with a trade for a case of beer, if not.. then I'm going to need pretty close to the price I paid for it.... so... anyone? Give me a shout either here (e-mail, private please) or at home 301.445.4451 Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 07:43:13 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00417 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-6.patriot.net [209.249.180.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA08918; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:43:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37EB6269.577E8A16@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:37:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How interesting References: <19990924041156.24393.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. Since no discussion groups I play on are "moderated" I overlooked that detail. The APBA (American Power Boat) chat room is moderated and heavily censored, so us boat racers paly on a newsgroup. Since the APBA site censored any post that questioned the policies and rules of the APBA with a verve that would have made Stalin proud, I *assumed* the egroups thing was similer. My error. Thanks to you and others for setting me straight. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Bill, > The kickback just means that you aren't subscribed to that list (who > was one of the recipients of the original message I believe). > Most lists are set up so that only those subscribed may post. this > keeps out spam or undesirable types. > DCC is one of the only lists I know of that isn't this way (I'm sure > there are others, I just haven't come across em) > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 07:53:33 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from nabmail01.nab.usace.army.mil ([155.78.60.54]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00537 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NABMAIL01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:53:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Advise on 'road rage' Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:53:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That seemed the general consensus.. I did call, was told not much could be done.. *shrug* So I went gun shopping afterwards. Wonder if an H&K or Sig-Sauer in my hands would make me feel any better.. :) what, a $1000 pistol! I could race for 2 weekends on that money! :) Ok, stress-relief... just squeeze the trigger - the target will be riddled with holes shortly. Brian McCoy (yes, I'm some gun nut - no, you're not going to change my opinion) > -----Original Message----- > Otherwise, I say > just forget about it, and don't let it stress you out. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 08:04:20 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA00662 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA13161 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:04:15 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:04:15 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Advise on 'road rage' Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:04:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Ok, stress-relief... just squeeze the trigger - the target will be riddled >with holes shortly. I still think that a paintball gun would be quite appropriate - it leaves a mark to advise others that the driver of the vehicle in question is an _________ , does no damage that can't be taken care of with soap and water and is relatively inexpensive. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 08:05:31 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.45]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00734 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA21941 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA06261; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:04:41 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B56A5@VAE820PO01> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Sturgis Disaster (was: hehehe) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:04:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain I try really hard not to post things here from other lists... but since you guys started this thread, I have to share this one with you. A Rich Urban Biker Legend? Enjoy, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA ------------- Original Message ---------------- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:53:56 -0500 Reply-To: Sender: A list for enthusiasts of British Motorcycles From: Subject: Sturgis Disaster Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This past weekend I rode from Slidell, LA, to Sturgis, MS, for the Little Sturgis Rally. I discovered that although it was touted as an "all bike" rally, it was really "all Harley". The is an excellent but small M/C Museum in Sturgis - BMW and European bikes. The owner, Vech, also does first class restorations On highway 25 north of Carthage, MS, I witnessed what some would call a motorcycling tragedy. It was starting to sprinkle and I could sense that the road was slick. A lot of logging trucks had scattered red clay at the intersections where they entered the highway. I came over a hill and saw it. There was a bike (some model of Harley - I don't know a FXBLT Fat Cat from a FSTLB Lard Butt) pulled over and parked on the sidestand. The rider seemed distressed - didn't know what to do. Ahead of him a very large SUV (a Ford Exhibition?) had also pulled over. It was not raining hard but as I slowed to possibly offer assistance, I wondered if a car or truck had left the road and was lying at the bottom of the hill. Was it perhaps another cyclist concealed by the Kudzu. I assumed that the female driver of the SUV had witnessed some type of accident. I stopped a short distance away to get the cell phone out of my tankbag to call for assistance if necessary. The SUV driver was frantically searching through the luggage in the back. I didn't want to witness any blood and guts but was willing to do what I could to help someone in need. As I was walking toward the H-D pilot and the SUV , the driver of the SUV came running with armloads of blankets and sheets in my direction and not toward the Kudzu and the victim that I suspected was there. As she approached the H-D, she and the biker frantically covered the bike with the blankets and sheets. I thought the biker was going to cry; several drops of rain had already contacted the bike's surface. As he searched in the SUV for some polishing cloths, I quietly returned to my bike and continued my journey in the light but cooling rain. Yes, I was a witness to another Davidson tragedy. The rain didn't last long, so I expect that the story had a happy ending. I am sure that the H-D man will purchase an enclosed trailer and avoid a similar disaster in the future (Biketoberfest?). Happy Riding From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 08:14:11 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00826 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:14:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199909240814.AA268435792@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Bill Huson CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: hehehe X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson Har har har - and how true. One of my fellow searchers commented that my Hawg was awful dirty and asked when I was gonna wash it. "Next time it rains," sez me. He was rendered speechless. And I'll never forget the *looks* from a pack of Harley posers in front of a pub in Chatonoga TN when I rolled in after 600 miles of killing southern bugs which included 3 rain showers. It was like I had violated the virgin mary or something. --------- This is one of those "if it's not true, it oughta be" stories -- Well-ridden rider going to Daytona on his Harley. Everytime he passes a Harley on a trailer or in a truck, he gives them the finger. :-) -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 08:35:19 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01541 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:35:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199909240835.AA272499024@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Bill Huson CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson I go thru the I-395/Glebe dal every day - twice, but it's stll a wimpy wreck site compared to my home base intersection - Braddock & Backlick. At least one a day. You gotta wtach for left turnes, red light runners, AND navigate the broken glass and auto piecey-parts. ------ Yeah, that list was only the top 10 in Arlington County. I can't find anything on the AAA web site (http://www.aaamidatlantic.com/). It'd be nice to get the master list of bad intersections around here. Sure, you can often tell the bad ones through motorcyclist common sense, but it's nice to see them ranked, and to see which ones are more dangerous than they seem. For example, I was surprised that the newspaper article identified Rt 7 & Rt. 123 as the most dangerous. That's the original "Tysons Corner", before it became the metropolis that it is now :-) Since that intersection is now controlled with lights and has exit/enter ramps, I'm surprised it's the worst in the area. It's like riding in a Mad Max movie ... -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 08:38:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01561 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:38:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199909240838.AA337707324@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: M/c Insurance X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX Looking for low cost motorcycle insurance in northern Virginia. Anyone who can recommend a good agent/company, please speak forth.... Nigel Nicholson ------------------ I've been happy with National General, though I haven't had to make any claims. They write the "Rider magazine" policies. 1-800-325-1190 -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 08:41:13 1999 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01586 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA816534; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EB7135.AFFA465C@boo.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:40:21 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kevin O'Brien" , Matt Fawaz , The dc-cycles list administrator Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' "dog" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pit bull schmit bull, you want fear you need tongue, a big drooly slimy Boxer tongue almost a full square foot. No one has ever hassled a motorcycleist after the East German tongue torture. If that does not scare them, the farts will. Kawgirl is tripping this week so stay out of the fast lane on 95. Jay Goddard Jager 65# Boxer "I love Pitbulls but they get tired too fast" Haley 75# Boxer " I cann't tawlk my tung iss too bigg fo my mouf" From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Kirt S." , "Bruce Norton" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:23 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 We could always take Zeus over to his house instead... let the guy come close to meeting his maker. People are afraid of Pit Bulls anyway in PG County... just show up with him and make suer that the guy knows that you're angry! So... when are we going?? :-) Tom From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 08:45:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01739 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:45:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199909240845.AA303104318@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'dc'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: Re: Advise.... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" ... today I had a Red Toyota Corrolla license plate # GJW-020 with for-sale signs in beoth the front and rear windows pratically run me over from behind (I'moverly cautious about this since I was hit on Powdermill not 7 months ago) - he was weaving all over the road, and about a foot off my rear tire.. ... So, I feel that my life (er, ok.. just limbs) was fairly endangered, as was those of others driving on the road.. call the cops? Or just let the situation go ... ------------------ The cops won't do anything about it unless they see it. If there's a particularly bad area you might ask the police for more patrols there, in hopes they'll see this sort of thing and do something about it. Some municipalities (Fairfax County maybe?) has a turn-in-a-bad-driver program where they'll send a letter to the miscreant noting what they were observed doing. This can certainly help if the owner is not the driver. Other than just getting the hell out of the way, all I've come up with is to videotape the activity then take them to civil court. But I've never met anyone who thought that was a workable idea. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 08:53:01 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01876 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-6.patriot.net [209.249.180.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA13813; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <37EB72CC.A9948CF3@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:47:08 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA References: <199909240835.AA272499024@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Being an old fart - I remember when Tysons Corner was an intersection of two 2-lane roads with a blinker light - red for 123 and yellow for 7. I got home form college for the summer and signed on with the VA DOT as a highway inspector. Yep, they were building an overpass at Tysons and making the roads four lane. No porta pots needed - just wander into the woods and play target peeing on a tree. The Fairfax Journal posted worst in North VA a while back. Braddock & Backlick made the top ten list, which was no surprise to me. Bill can hear the tire squeal and crunchies from my house Chris Norloff wrote > For example, I was surprised that the newspaper article identified Rt 7 & Rt. 123 as the most dangerous. That's the original "Tysons Corner", before it became the metropolis that it is now :-) Since that intersection is now controlled with lights and has exit/enter ramps, I'm surprised it's the worst in the area. > > It's like riding in a Mad Max movie ... > > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 08:56:19 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01890 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924125836.11383.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:58:36 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:58:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: tomorrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tim Morrow wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Tim Morrow wrote: > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > >Don't know whether you're kidding about the > > >twisties, so I'm kind of afraid to respond to it > > >seriously. > > Well, you've not displayed this tendency before! I am a constantly-evolving being. I will surprise you. > > My > > last comment was made concerning 'riding the piss' > > out of a sportbike with higher pressures. If > > that's your cup of tea as well, please go right > > ahead and drink it....differing minds and whatnot. > > Well, if it's just a case of differing minds, then > why on earth would you describe those who differ from > your considered opinion as having their head up > their ass? (No offense meant, of course, but that > just seems a mite unsocial.) Ahh....it seems that a member of the Morrow family has picked up on one of my most appealing traits. > > > At the track, I go by the Dunlop tire rep's > > > reco. > > > > And this depends on certain variable track factors > > (temp and surface primarily) I assume? If so, > > then the fact that you always run max pressure in > > your streetbike tires seems a bit twisted to me. > > Because the absolute hardest, most illegal, > dangerous street riding is so far from actual racing > as to be laughable. Anyone who thinks that a few > pounds of tire pressure makes a difference in street > riding conditions has their head.... I was down at Deals Gap this past weekend....a few pounds of pressure can be the difference between an enjoying pass through the Gap, and riding home bitch on your buddy's bike. I'm not referring to commuting here.... > Actually, the point is that I have ridden > too hard on the street, which is one reason I took up > racing, yet never once did the tire pressure make a > difference on the street in my personal situation. > So, the decision to run the manufacturer's maximum > cold tire pressure (as marked on the sidewall of the > tire) was convenient, easy to remember, easy to > check, easy on tread life, and had no discernible > effect on the ability of the tire to grip the road > surface. For YOU it didn't. Do you mean to tell us that an MSF instructor has ridden 'recklessly' on the public roads? Travesty! > > But hey, like I said before, go right ahead. > > How veddy civilized of you, old chap. So much more > pleasant than your prior description of those who > might have a slightly differing viewpoint than you. This list has its share of do-gooders and deadbeats. I just try to liven it up. > > I've got my opinion, which somehow manages to get > > shouted out every once in a while. > > Really? Thanks for pointing that out. How else > would we have known? Who are 'we'? It's 'the group' v. Gimer now, eh? I love it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:17:33 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02228 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19894; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:16:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990924091346.015e4270@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:15:11 -0400 To: Tom Gimer From: Troutman Subject: Re: WVA update Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990924112435.2526.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >This route sounds far too slabby to me. Why not >follow Bruce Norton's advice (from an earlier >message)? The only decent road in this plan that I >see is US 250, and it appears you aren't intending to >hit the good parts of it. Your planned route also >passes right under rt 211. Doesn't make much sense to >be right there and not shred it. Unfortunately, I will be camping when I land, and I have to check in by 8. I can't leave until after 2:00, so I am somewhat restricted on how much time I can take. 28 looks like a lot of fun - across the mountain tops.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:18:14 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02231 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:18:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199909240918.AA212664620@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Advise on 'road rage' X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jordan, Michael" I still think that a paintball gun would be quite appropriate - it leaves a mark to advise others that the driver of the vehicle in question is an _________ , does no damage that can't be taken care of with soap and water and is relatively inexpensive. ------------ Tempting, but it's a felony. And I guarantee the police won't be looking for the cager, they'll be looking for the shooter. It also puts the car driver in the legal position of being able to return fire if he's able. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:20:24 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02325 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.228] (user-2iveo74.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.228]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24222 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909241320.JAA24222@smtp5.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:23:08 -0400 Subject: Advice on Road Rage From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It is frustrating that there's little you can do... but now and then there is a moment that makes you feel a bit better. A while back I began to notice a certain driver on my I-66/Toll Road commute. She was driving a high profile car -- a brand new convertible from a European manufacturer, a new model (so it caught your eye), in an interesting shade of green. A car you notice -- more so when it is traveling from the far right to the far left lane in one move at 85 mph, nearly hitting you. Then going back to the right. Then to the middle. Then back and forth some more. With each lane change nearly creaming someone. In short, your classic DC aggressive driver. (She never seemed to get anywhere faster than I did traveling at a steady 65 mph, though, and rarely changing lanes. Hmm.) Anyway, I started noticing this particular person a lot -- we clearly have identical commuting patterns. Till one day, on the last stretch of the inbound toll road feeding into 66, she decided she needed to occupy the spot where my truck was. Fortunately, I was paying attention, and swerved onto the shoulder to avoid collision. I honked my horn as I did this. She didn't like that, and slammed hard on her brakes -- sort of a "hit me, I'll sue!" move. Luckily my cheap Ford truck brakes as well as her yupmobile that costs four times as much. This little cat and mouse thing continued for some time -- I was pissed, but just kept a good distance. It's bad enough to be an overaggressive clueless idiot, but now we had a more intentional "I'm going to make you hit me, and since you're behind me it will be your fault!" thing happening. The funny part is this: For all her aggression, she ended up exiting 66 at the same place I did, at the same time... which was kind of funny, because it turns out she lives between my home and the 66 entrance in Ballston. Hmm. A few days later, I drove home from work on a beautiful afternoon and immediately decided to take a quick ride around town -- I had to do a few quick errands, so why not make it fun on the bike. So, as I am coming along on Wilson Boulevard in Arlington, a car suddenly screams through a stop sign on a side street right in front of me. Fortunately I was thinking SIPDE and it wasn't a big deal. But guess who it was? She then decided to get gas and pulled into a service station. I decided to get gas, too. Being very careful not to be threatening, as we stood at either side of the same pump, I said, "You really need to drive more carefully." She looked at the ground and said, "Thank you." I continued: "Those stop signs are there for a reason, you know. You're gonna kill someone if you don't watch it." "Thank you." "You're pretty bad on 66 and the Toll Road, too. I see you weaving all over the road all the time. You're a menace -- you'd better shape up before you cause an accident." She didn't say anything. So, as I hopped on the bike, I just said, "We have the same commute, you know. YOu live on _____ Road, right?" And left. It's amazing how good it feels to just CONFRONT someone -- not yell or fight or get revenge, but just say "Look at what you are doing!" -- with their bad behavior and watch them get nervous. Haven't seen her since -- don't know if it's chance or what. The thought did cross my mind that she could have taken down my plate number and called the cops about the crazy stalker biker -- but I was very careful to be not threatening, or even angry, and I would actually kind of welcome the chance to fill the police in on the whole story. This was all a month or so ago. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:21:06 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from nabmail01.nab.usace.army.mil ([155.78.60.54]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02328 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NABMAIL01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:20:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:20:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" LOL.. this whole thread is just to funny.. but, I guess I'm part of the list, so I have to jump in. Tom, you never took issue with what I've clipped below from Tim.. care to comment? And, Tim.. actualy, there are tires (Avon Azarros) that a few PSI will make a drastic difference on the street.. going from long lasting and a great ride to slippery and short-lived (this is a change in pressue from 34 to 38psi front and rear). > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > --- Tim Morrow wrote: > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > Because the absolute hardest, most illegal, > > dangerous street riding is so far from actual racing > > > as to be laughable. > Who are 'we'? It's 'the group' v. Gimer now, eh? I > love it. > People try to make rules that incorperate all tires.. then you find that each brand is slightly different, then you get to each make of each brand.. and then you toss in the exceptions, and.. well, you're left with no rule at all.. The only thing I've NOT heard this time round that I fully believe is that street tires should exibit a 10% raise in pressure from cold to hot - at that time, you're running good pressures (or at least that's what they told me on wreck.motorcycle!). Cheers, and flame on! Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:39:16 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02528 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20014; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:38:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990924093744.0146a9b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:38:39 -0400 To: "John Whiteside" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Advice on Road Rage Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199909241320.JAA24222@smtp5.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed So, do you see her driving crazy on the road anymore? Did the confrontation help? It doesn't sound as satisfying as cutting her valve stems off - be they straight OR right angle. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:43:15 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02605 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA09081; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:43:23 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006055; Fri, 24 Sep 99 09:40:12 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIK00FHAGSEDQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F6.004AF53D ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:38:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:38:18 -0400 Subject: SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! YSR50 Races To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F6.004AF4B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Anyone interested in laughing their head off at 3/4 size motorcycles racing around a go-kart track, check out the YSR50 races at Monrovia racetrack on Sunday. Watching these races is a hoot, and is nice in that you can see the whole track at one time. Information on EARA racing: http://www.teamcalamari.com/dox/earra.html This link takes you to directions to the track: http://www.teamcalamari.com/dox/ertkmd.html I'll be up there on Sunday, so I hope to see a few familiar faces. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:44:04 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub2.trw.com (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02608 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.114.112.200] by mailhub2.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:43:05 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS3; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:42:45 -0400 Message-Id: <37EB80B7.56A7D4F3@trw.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:46:33 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My preferred method is to fill up my new tires with Fix-a-Flat as soon as I tape them to the bike. I feel that this is a rule we can all live with. Thank you. "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > People try to make rules that incorperate all tires.. then you find that > each brand is slightly different, then you get to each make of each brand.. > and then you toss in the exceptions, and.. well, you're left with no rule at > all.. The only thing I've NOT heard this time round that I fully believe is > that street tires should exibit a 10% raise in pressure from cold to hot - > at that time, you're running good pressures (or at least that's what they > told me on wreck.motorcycle!). > > Cheers, and flame on! > > Brian McCoy -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:45:42 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02656 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA05762 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:45:38 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:45:38 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: List-dc cycles Subject: RE: Advise on 'road rage' Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:45:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Tempting, but it's a felony. And I guarantee the police won't be looking for the cager, they'll be looking for the >shooter. It also puts the car driver in the legal position of being able to return fire if he's able. Fully aware of all that, but as you say, it is tempting ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:49:29 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02666 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA28036 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:49:24 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990924094113.006ae108@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:41:13 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Advise on 'road rage' In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:04 AM 9/24/99 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>Ok, stress-relief... just squeeze the trigger - the target will be riddled >>with holes shortly. > >I still think that a paintball gun would be quite appropriate - Unless, of course, the driver of the car you pain is carrying a 9mm Glock or a Colt .45. Bob '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:49:32 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02669 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA28067 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:49:25 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990924094434.006aded4@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:44:34 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: hehehe In-Reply-To: <199909240814.AA268435792@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Unfortunately, its not just Harley Riders. One of the things that amazed me the most about my first trip to Daytona was the number of people trailering Gold Wings down I-95(!!). Bob '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:50:04 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02739 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA06838 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:49:56 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:49:56 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'DCC'" Subject: RE: Sturgis Disaster (was: hehehe) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:49:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Ahead of him a very large SUV (a Ford Exhibition?) If it was a VERY large SUV, it was probably the Ford Exaggeration Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:54:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02793 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:54:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199909240954.AA55968466@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "John Whiteside" Subject: Re: Advice on Road Rage X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "John Whiteside" ... Being very careful not to be threatening, as we stood at either side of the same pump, I said, "You really need to drive more carefully." She looked at the ground and said, "Thank you." --------- Amazing how "non-aggressive" these cagers can be when they're not in their cage! ----------------------------------------------------- It's amazing how good it feels to just CONFRONT someone -- not yell or fight or get revenge, but just say "Look at what you are doing!" -- with their bad behavior and watch them get nervous --------- Sounds like you did just the right thing - avoid her when she was dangerous, confront her in a non-threatening manner when you could. She probably learned a lesson of some sort there. I did the same thing this summer with a lady who ran a stop sign right in front of me. Turns out we were going to the same soccer game to pick up children. She turned all meek and mild, and agreed with everything I said. Hope she learned a lesson. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:56:19 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02807 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-6.patriot.net [209.249.180.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20606; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: <37EB8192.ACE3B354@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:50:11 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Sturgis Disaster (was: hehehe) References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B56A5@VAE820PO01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that is anal to the max!!! Bill Crishock, Richard M, BGM wrote: > I try really hard not to post things here from other lists... but since you > guys started this thread, I have to share this one with you. A Rich Urban > Biker Legend? > > Enjoy, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling, VA > > ------------- Original Message ---------------- > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:53:56 -0500 > Reply-To: > Sender: A list for enthusiasts of British Motorcycles > > From: > Subject: Sturgis Disaster > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > This past weekend I rode from Slidell, LA, to Sturgis, MS, for the > Little Sturgis Rally. I discovered that although it was touted as an > "all bike" rally, it was really "all Harley". The is an excellent but > small M/C Museum in Sturgis - BMW and European bikes. The owner, Vech, > also does first class restorations On highway 25 north of Carthage, > MS, I witnessed what some would call a motorcycling tragedy. > > It was starting to sprinkle and I could sense that the road was slick. A > lot > of logging trucks had scattered red clay at the intersections where > they entered the highway. I came over a hill and saw it. There was a > bike (some model of Harley - I don't know a FXBLT Fat Cat from a FSTLB > Lard Butt) pulled over and parked on the sidestand. The rider seemed > distressed - didn't know what to do. Ahead of him a very large SUV (a > Ford Exhibition?) had also pulled over. > > It was not raining hard but as I slowed to possibly offer assistance, I > wondered if a car or truck > had left the road and was lying at the bottom of the hill. Was it > perhaps another cyclist concealed by the Kudzu. I assumed that the > female driver of the SUV had witnessed some type of accident. I > stopped a short distance away to get the cell phone out of my tankbag > to call for assistance if necessary. The SUV driver was frantically > searching through the luggage in the back. I didn't want to witness > any blood and guts but was willing to do what I could to help someone > in need. > > As I was walking toward the H-D pilot and the SUV , the > driver of the SUV came running with armloads of blankets and sheets in > my direction and not toward the Kudzu and the victim that I suspected > was there. As she approached the H-D, she and the biker frantically > covered the bike with the blankets and sheets. I thought the biker > was going to cry; several drops of rain had already contacted the > bike's surface. As he searched in the SUV for some polishing cloths, > I quietly returned to my bike and continued my journey in the light > but cooling rain. Yes, I was a witness to another Davidson tragedy. > The rain didn't last long, so I expect that the story had a happy > ending. I am sure that the H-D man will purchase an enclosed trailer > and avoid a similar disaster in the future (Biketoberfest?). > > Happy Riding From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 09:57:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02874 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:57:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199909240957.AA230293792@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Sturgis Disaster (was: hehehe) X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jordan, Michael" >Ahead of him a very large SUV (a Ford Exhibition?) If it was a VERY large SUV, it was probably the Ford Exaggeration --------- If it was a VERY VERY large SUV, it was probably the Ford Excrement. :-) Chris -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 10:04:36 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02955 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id KAA28004 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id KAA26657; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:04:01 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B56A9@VAE820PO01> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Cc: "Carver, John M, BGM" Subject: Meyers Open House / ride to hill climb Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:57:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain In case anyone is looking for something completely different this weekend... I received a post card the other day from one of my favorite local cycle shops, Meyers Cycle Engineering. Apparently they are having an open house and ride to the hill climb on Sunday. Open house from ? 'til 12:00, ride leaves at 11:00. I don't have the card here at work, but their number is (301) 897-0050, and they are in Kennsington, MD. Depending on the amount of ceramic tile I can put down between tonight and Saturday, there is an outside chance that I could end up going for a ride by Sunday. *Maybe* I'll see some of you there. Rich (the Home Moaner) '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 10:21:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03265 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:21:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA19068; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:21:33 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma007652; Fri, 24 Sep 99 10:10:18 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIK00JRSI6BAN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F6.004DB2E2 ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:08:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:08:04 -0400 Subject: RE: Advise on 'road rage' To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F6.004DB24C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Of course, you could just point your finger and kill-switch-backfire at the guy. Might make him mess himself. :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: "Jordan, Michael" I still think that a paintball gun would be quite appropriate - it leaves a mark to advise others that the driver of the vehicle in question is an _________ , does no damage that can't be taken care of with soap and water and is relatively inexpensive. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 10:22:15 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f58.hotmail.com [209.185.131.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03274 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44655 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 14:21:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924142141.44654.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.8.158.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:21:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.8.158.125] From: "Karl Mueller" To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! YSR50 Races Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:21:40 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Anyone interested in laughing their head off at 3/4 size motorcycles racing >around a go-kart track, check out the YSR50 races at Monrovia racetrack on >Sunday. Watching these races is a hoot, and is nice in that you can see the >whole track at one time. WOO, finally a chance to test out the theory that RS50's go faster than YSR50's! You can count on me being there ;) --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 10:26:05 1999 Return-Path: OBRIEK@XXXXXX Received: from primary.jpsp.com ([207.54.146.50]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03295 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by T200-ARLINGTON.BBN.COM with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kevin O'Brien" To: "'Jay Goddard'" , "Kevin O'Brien" , Matt Fawaz , The dc-cycles list administrator Subject: RE: Advise on 'road rage' "dog" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:24:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF0698.989FF07C" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0698.989FF07C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" just shove BALLinto the front of the guys pants and Jager will take care of the rest -----Original Message----- From: Jay Goddard [mailto:redbelly@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 8:40 AM To: Kevin O'Brien; Matt Fawaz; The dc-cycles list administrator Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' "dog" Pit bull schmit bull, you want fear you need tongue, a big drooly slimy Boxer tongue almost a full square foot. No one has ever hassled a motorcycleist after the East German tongue torture. If that does not scare them, the farts will. Kawgirl is tripping this week so stay out of the fast lane on 95. Jay Goddard Jager 65# Boxer "I love Pitbulls but they get tired too fast" Haley 75# Boxer " I cann't tawlk my tung iss too bigg fo my mouf" From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Kirt S." , "Bruce Norton" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:23 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 We could always take Zeus over to his house instead... let the guy come close to meeting his maker. People are afraid of Pit Bulls anyway in PG County... just show up with him and make suer that the guy knows that you're angry! So... when are we going?? :-) Tom ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0698.989FF07C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Advise on 'road rage' "dog"

just shove BALLinto the front of the guys pants and Jager will take care of the rest

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Goddard [mailto:redbelly@XXXXXX]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 8:40 AM
To: Kevin O'Brien; Matt Fawaz; The dc-cycles list administrator
Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' "dog"


Pit bull schmit bull, you want fear you need tongue, a big drooly slimy
Boxer tongue almost a full square foot.  No one has ever hassled a
motorcycleist after the East German tongue torture.  If that does not
scare them, the farts will.

Kawgirl is tripping this week so stay out of the fast lane on 95.

Jay Goddard
Jager 65# Boxer "I love Pitbulls but they get tired too fast"
Haley 75# Boxer " I cann't tawlk my tung iss too bigg fo my mouf"

From: "Thomas and Jeannette" <zellto@XXXXXX>
To: "Kirt S." <ksenser@XXXXXX>, "Bruce Norton" <bnorton@XXXXXX>,
        "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage'
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:23 -0400
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211

We could always take Zeus over to his house instead... let the guy come
close to meeting his maker.  People are afraid of Pit Bulls anyway in PG

County... just show up with him and make suer that the guy knows that
you're
angry!  So... when are we going??  :-)

Tom

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0698.989FF07C-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 10:32:36 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03423 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:17:10 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bob Meyer" , Subject: RE: Shoei Synchrotec [was: Helmet question] Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:21:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bf0698$142f40e0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.19990923144807.00696224@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal If you like the flip up design, try the Nolan N-100. Morton's usually has a bunch in stock. Also, for those interested in Synchrotec's, they are no longer made in XXL. And the biggest N-100 doesn't fit my large head. Your only other choice (and at present, mine) for a flip up helmet is to go to Canada and purchase a BMW System4 helmet. Then buy one of those DOT stickers at your favorite Harley store. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 10:40:20 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03541 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09802; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015f01bf069a$5eb71410$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Karl Mueller" , Cc: References: <19990924142141.44654.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! YSR50 Races Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:37:46 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Where is this track? Kirt 99 CBR 600F4 Annandale, Va Subject: Re: SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! YSR50 Races > >Anyone interested in laughing their head off at 3/4 size motorcycles racing > >around a go-kart track, check out the YSR50 races at Monrovia racetrack on > >Sunday. Watching these races is a hoot, and is nice in that you can see the > >whole track at one time. > > > WOO, finally a chance to test out the theory that RS50's go faster than > YSR50's! > You can count on me being there ;) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 10:41:15 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f25.hotmail.com [209.185.131.88]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03546 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29101 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 14:40:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924144039.29100.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.8.158.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:40:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.8.158.125] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wow.. YSR50's _are_ small Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:40:39 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey guys, I was looking at that track's info for the YSR50 racing. Damn those are some small bikes (or very big bikes if you happen to race pocket-bikes). But even though my RS has the wheelbase and rims of a ninja 250, I still think I can take 'em on the twisties. I'd just really love to get on their track sometime, all those little twisties [drool]. Anyway, I doubt they'd let me race, looking at their rulebook .. but it DOESNT specifically say that caviga or aprilia-based bikes were out of their formula-80 competitions (must be under 64cc 2-stroke or 125cc 4-stroke). Still, I think the ysr50's would be interesting to watch.. enough babeling from me.. --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 11:05:58 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04032 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:05:56 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA05623; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:06:28 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024914; Fri, 24 Sep 99 10:55:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIK0082DK9ZQ8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F6.0051DA74 ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:54:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:53:41 -0400 Subject: Re: SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! YSR50 Races To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F6.0051D9AE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Well, um... I posted a link with directions... In general, it's up near Frederick, MD. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: "Kirt S." Where is this track? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 11:10:28 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04067 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id LAA23611; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990924111119.007ac860@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:11:19 -0400 To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'DCC'" From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: Meyers Open House / ride to hill climb Cc: "Carver, John M, BGM" In-Reply-To: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B56A9@VAE820PO01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My Women on Wheels group will be going to that. It sounds like a load of fun. At 09:57 AM 9/24/99 -0400, Crishock, Richard M, BGM wrote: >In case anyone is looking for something completely different this weekend... > >I received a post card the other day from one of my favorite local cycle >shops, Meyers Cycle Engineering. Apparently they are having an open house >and ride to the hill climb on Sunday. Open house from ? 'til 12:00, ride >leaves at 11:00. I don't have the card here at work, but their number is >(301) 897-0050, and they are in Kennsington, MD. > >Depending on the amount of ceramic tile I can put down between tonight and >Saturday, there is an outside chance that I could end up going for a ride by >Sunday. > >*Maybe* I'll see some of you there. > >Rich (the Home Moaner) >'78 Triumph Bonneville >'99 Enfield Bullet >Sterling, VA > > Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 11:18:57 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f81.hotmail.com [209.185.131.144]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04221 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23167 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 15:18:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924151822.23166.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.8.158.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:18:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.8.158.125] From: "Karl Mueller" To: jnewman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! YSR50 Races Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:18:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed John, > >Are you going to have the little RS out there? Absolutely >I did'nt mean to bust you bubble with the cagiva post... I >like aprilias better myself. [shhh! don't tell my Italian >friendes...] Don't worry about it, cagiva/ducati are sweet bikes in their own right.. Actually, I'm thinking of putting cagiva parts into it, [shhh, don't tell the aprilia guys ;) ], they make a 160cc kit for the aprilia 125 (which I'll eventually replace the stock engine with). --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 12:05:15 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04954 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:04:22 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:04:14 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:04:05 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Advise.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline It sure would be a darn shame if someone accidently tipped over a gallon of Zip Strip on that car, seeing as how he's trying to sell it . . . Joe "Revenge is a dish best served cold" --ancient Italian proverb From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 12:14:46 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05067 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924161703.10432.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.210] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:17:03 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:17:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: WVA update To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > > >This route sounds far too slabby to me. Why not > >follow Bruce Norton's advice (from an earlier > >message)? The only decent road in this plan that I > >see is US 250, and it appears you aren't intending > >to hit the good parts of it. Your planned route > >also passes right under rt 211. Doesn't make much > >sense to be right there and not shred it. > > Unfortunately, I will be camping when I land, and I > have to check in by > 8. I can't leave until after 2:00, so I am somewhat > restricted on how much > time I can take. Then slab to 33 West in Harrisonburg and at least hit the excellent stretch of twisties as you approach the Va/WVa border....then proceed south to 250 via 42 (?) or something like that. > 28 looks like a lot of fun - > across the mountain tops.... Enjoy! I don't think I've ever done 28, so please report back to the list on the trip. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 12:15:25 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f111.hotmail.com [209.185.131.174]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05108 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79634 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 16:14:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924161451.79633.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:14:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Advise.... Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:14:51 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Just how pissed off are you about it? About 6 months ago someone tried to run me (and motorcycle) off the 14th St bridge. I got the licence number, make and model of the car. I called VA state police and they took a report and told me they WOULD file a complaint. Then they asked for a description of the driver. Yeah right. I couldn't even tell if there was someone driving because of the tinted windows. The cop basically told me they had better things to do with real accidents. >From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" >To: "'dc'" >Subject: Advise.... >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:53:12 -0400 > >Ok, I just came home for work.. riding the same route I always do (Cherry >Hill to Powdermill in College Park, MD). Anyway, the roads are 35mph and >40 >respectivly - I typically ride them at 5~10 over... today I had a Red >Toyota >Corrolla license plate # GJW-020 with for-sale signs in beoth the front and >rear windows pratically run me over from behind (I'moverly cautious about >this since I was hit on Powdermill not 7 months ago) - he was weaving all >over the road, and about a foot off my rear tire.. so I slowed down. He >got >closer, eventually pulling into the oncoming lane (this is a 2-way, >semi-residental street - moderatally heavily traveled) and cut in tight on >my front tire getting back in my lane.. I just slowed up a bit more to give >him all the room he wanted (after getting the plate and car info). So, I >feel that my life (er, ok.. just limbs) was fairly endangered, as was those >of others driving on the road.. call the cops? Or just let the situation >go >as this happens at least 2 times a week (not the same exact situation, but >similar events.. it's gone down since I chopped my commute to 10 miles >round-trip). > >So.. thoughts, opinions? > >Brian McCoy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 12:27:07 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05320 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924162914.15412.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.210] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:29:14 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > LOL.. this whole thread is just to funny.. but, I > guess I'm part of the > list, so I have to jump in. Tom, you never took > issue with what I've > clipped below from Tim.. care to comment? I would actually prefer to leave Tim and his distorted perception of 'actual racing' v. 'dangerous, illegal' street riding untouched, but OK. The only thing missing from many groups' street rides which you will find on the track is passing. It may be insane to do, but WTF. To each his own. > And, Tim.. actualy, there are tires (Avon Azarros) > that a few PSI will make > a drastic difference on the street.. going from long > lasting and a great > ride to slippery and short-lived (this is a change > in pressue from 34 to > 38psi front and rear). Wait a second....don't agree with me! There's not enough room in my ass for your head too. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > --- Tim Morrow wrote: > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > Because the absolute hardest, most illegal, > > > dangerous street riding is so far from actual > > > racing as to be laughable. > > > > Who are 'we'? It's 'the group' v. Gimer now, eh? > > I love it. > > > > People try to make rules that incorperate all > tires.. then you find that > each brand is slightly different, then you get to > each make of each brand.. > and then you toss in the exceptions, and.. well, > you're left with no rule at > all.. Which is exactly why a blanket statement/ recommendation to ride at max pressure for spirited twisty riding SEEMS ridiculous to ME. > Cheers, and flame on! But of course! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 12:29:37 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05330 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:29:02 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:29:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:28:20 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Advise on 'road rage' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I still think that a paintball gun would be quite appropriate - it leaves a mark to advise others that the driver of the vehicle in question is an _________ , does no damage that can't be taken care of with soap and water and is relatively inexpensive. And, if you look around in stores that cater to deer hunters, you may be able to find balls that come in yummy flavors like Doe-In-Heat or Fox Urine. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 12:33:25 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05446 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA23549; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004b01bf06aa$7d7e4f20$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Kevin O'Brien" , "'Jay Goddard'" , "Matt Fawaz" , "The dc-cycles list administrator" References: Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' "dog" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:33:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF0688.F5CDFE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF0688.F5CDFE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Advise on 'road rage' "dog"LOL!!! Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kevin O'Brien=20 To: 'Jay Goddard' ; Kevin O'Brien ; Matt Fawaz ; The dc-cycles list = administrator=20 Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 10:24 AM Subject: RE: Advise on 'road rage' "dog" just shove BALLinto the front of the guys pants and Jager will take = care of the rest=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Jay Goddard [mailto:redbelly@XXXXXX]=20 Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 8:40 AM=20 To: Kevin O'Brien; Matt Fawaz; The dc-cycles list administrator=20 Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' "dog"=20 Pit bull schmit bull, you want fear you need tongue, a big drooly = slimy=20 Boxer tongue almost a full square foot. No one has ever hassled a=20 motorcycleist after the East German tongue torture. If that does not=20 scare them, the farts will.=20 Kawgirl is tripping this week so stay out of the fast lane on 95.=20 Jay Goddard=20 Jager 65# Boxer "I love Pitbulls but they get tired too fast"=20 Haley 75# Boxer " I cann't tawlk my tung iss too bigg fo my mouf"=20 From: "Thomas and Jeannette" =20 To: "Kirt S." , "Bruce Norton" ,=20 "DC Cycles" =20 Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage'=20 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:23 -0400=20 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal=20 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211=20 We could always take Zeus over to his house instead... let the guy = come=20 close to meeting his maker. People are afraid of Pit Bulls anyway in = PG=20 County... just show up with him and make suer that the guy knows that=20 you're=20 angry! So... when are we going?? :-)=20 Tom=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF0688.F5CDFE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Advise on 'road rage' "dog"
LOL!!!
 
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kevin = O'Brien=20
To: 'Jay Goddard' ; Kevin O'Brien ; Matt Fawaz ; The=20 dc-cycles list administrator
Sent: Friday, September 24, = 1999 10:24=20 AM
Subject: RE: Advise on 'road = rage'=20 "dog"

just shove BALLinto the front of the guys pants and = Jager will=20 take care of the rest

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay=20 Goddard [mailto:redbelly@XXXXXX]=20
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 8:40 AM =
To: Kevin O'Brien; Matt Fawaz; The dc-cycles list = administrator=20
Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' "dog" =


Pit bull schmit bull, you want fear you need tongue, = a big=20 drooly slimy
Boxer tongue almost a full = square=20 foot.  No one has ever hassled a
motorcycleist=20 after the East German tongue torture.  If that does not =
scare them, the farts will.

Kawgirl is tripping this week so stay out of the = fast lane on=20 95.

Jay Goddard
Jager 65# = Boxer "I love=20 Pitbulls but they get tired too fast"
Haley = 75# Boxer=20 " I cann't tawlk my tung iss too bigg fo my mouf"

From: "Thomas and Jeannette"=20 <zellto@XXXXXX>
To: "Kirt = S."=20 <ksenser@XXXXXX>, "Bruce Norton" = <bnorton@XXXXXX>,=20
        "DC = Cycles"=20 <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: = Advise on=20 'road rage'
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:40:23=20 -0400
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal =
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE = V5.00.2014.211

We could always take Zeus over to his house = instead... let the=20 guy come
close to meeting his maker.  = People are=20 afraid of Pit Bulls anyway in PG

County... just show up with him and make suer that = the guy=20 knows that
you're
angry! =20 So... when are we going??  :-)

Tom

------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF0688.F5CDFE20-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 12:37:58 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05575 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:37:22 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:37:19 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:36:55 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: rcrishock@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sturgis Disaster (was: hehehe) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Then there's the story of two young Harley-riding fools who decided to make the run from Sturgis to Deadwood without their leathers because of the 110-degree heat. Halfway there, it starts raining. Then hailing. OW OW OW OW OW OW OW . . . ! Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 12:39:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05585 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21217 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14676 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FIK00KY9OW9OE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:31:39 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: TL Owners, CD changes. To: Tl1000 List Cc: Suzuki-bikes , Suzuki-L , DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <004901bf06aa$46f48460$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Okay, I got to thinking. It might be a great cross-reference if the CD had both the S and the R models on it. Space was not a problem, so the TLOC Club CD will have BOTH! I hope this doesn't upset anyone :-) I'm working on possibly getting TLOC Jacket Patches. I'll keep you posted. I will want your feedback on the design if I do this. Gary W. Foreman, TL Owners Club Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web 2: http://www.tl1000.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 13:04:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05882 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:03:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199909241303.AA82379050@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Advise.... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" About 6 months ago someone tried to run me (and motorcycle) off the 14th St bridge. I got the licence number, make and model of the car. I called VA state police and they took a report and told me they WOULD file a complaint. Then they asked for a description of the driver. Yeah right. I couldn't even tell if there was someone driving because of the tinted windows. The cop basically told me they had better things to do with real accidents. -------------------- Yeah, far be it from them to actually try to PREVENT an accident. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 13:39:49 1999 Return-Path: culimerc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06517 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from el-pipo-grande (user-2ivehe9.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.69.201]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04301 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990924134738.0069e2bc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:47:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: Roadrage/Insurance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The only problem with getting the digest (digested) version of this list is that all my posts are a day late :(. Oh, well. Anyway, as far as the road rage issue I'm all for getting up in the guys face in so far as you can A; maintain your own cool in a situation that could decend into nothing more than a couple of people screaming various obscenities at each other. And B; you have the physical ability to deal with the worst. Insurance wise check out the place across for Coleman Powersport (booo-hisss) in Falls Church. My '96 GPz 1100 was only $600 bucks the first year with one ticket. And it went down the next year with 2. Doh. And lastly, anybody want to meet somewhere specific to go harvest bugs tomorrow? James E-TKT See Ya' James From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 13:55:22 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06761 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:55:20 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA21309; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:55:34 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002864; Fri, 24 Sep 99 13:35:43 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIK00CG5ROWBX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F6.006083C8 ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:34:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:33:33 -0400 Subject: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F6.006082FD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Todd, Do you know what the recommended tire pressure and maximum tire pressure are for D207s? If you'd done your homework, you'd know that they are one and the same - 36 front and 42 rear. We were talking about Dunlop D207s - not every tire made. Please don't create straw-man arguments to refute just because your original point doesn't pan out. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000, 36/42 for street and trackday with no adverse effects Todd Gimer wrote: Which is exactly why a blanket statement/ recommendation to ride at max pressure for spirited twisty riding SEEMS ridiculous to ME. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 14:13:42 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07083 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA16449; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02f901bf06b8$2eeb1290$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: DC area outing this weekend? Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:11:11 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Just wondering if anyone has any plans for rides this weekend? I would like to go riding sometime on Sunday if possible, and just thought I'd throw out a generalized invitation for anyone to come join up. Jeff Kufalk and Ken Woods (from the cbr list) have already expressed interest in getting together, therefore it's an F4 outing so far :-) Other bikes *are* welcome, so let me know. Kirt 99 CBR 600F4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 14:52:21 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07731 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA21285 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:52:12 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:33:56 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF0699.D4E1E440.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: DC area outing this weekend? Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:33:54 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to squeeze in a ride but don't know if the "F" will keep up with the "F4's" Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Kirt S. [SMTP:ksenser@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 2:11 PM To: cbr@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC area outing this weekend? Just wondering if anyone has any plans for rides this weekend? I would like to go riding sometime on Sunday if possible, and just thought I'd throw out a generalized invitation for anyone to come join up. Jeff Kufalk and Ken Woods (from the cbr list) have already expressed interest in getting together, therefore it's an F4 outing so far :-) Other bikes *are* welcome, so let me know. Kirt 99 CBR 600F4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 14:52:37 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07741 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id OAA17361 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:52:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:52:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Unsafe Corners Cited By AAA In-Reply-To: <37EB72CC.A9948CF3@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am *so* glad to be moving off Duke St. here in Alexandria. Duke is 6 lanes wide plus turn lanes here on the west end, with lighted intersections every 150 feet or so. The speed limit is 35. Most people seem to think the road should be a 50mph road. I assume this because that's how fast they go on it. Since the light's yellow cycle is timed for 35mph, the red light running is insane. My apartment is on the end corner of the building, right off the street... on average there's 2 - 3 fairly serious collisions outside my window per month.. the latest being 2 or 3 nights ago when it was raining (it gets even worse in the rain... Duke St runs downhill from 395 to the river). Worst one I saw was a guy turning left into the apartments trying to "beat" the traffic. His SUV was tagged in the right rear by a cadilac, causing it to spin, hit the curb, then catapult into the air doing two or three catwheels into the entrance of our apartments. Did I mention we were sitting on the balcony having a beer when this happened?? They had to cut him out of the SUV because the roof had collapsed. - Brian On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Bill Huson wrote: > Being an old fart - I remember when Tysons Corner was an intersection of two 2-lane roads with a blinker light - red for 123 and yellow for 7. I got home form college for the summer and signed on with the VA DOT as a highway inspector. Yep, they were building an overpass at Tysons and making the roads four lane. No > porta pots needed - just wander into the woods and play target peeing on a tree. > > The Fairfax Journal posted worst in North VA a while back. Braddock & Backlick made the top ten list, which was no surprise to me. > > Bill > can hear the tire squeal and crunchies from my house > > Chris Norloff wrote > > > For example, I was surprised that the newspaper article identified Rt 7 & Rt. 123 as the most dangerous. That's the original "Tysons Corner", before it became the metropolis that it is now :-) Since that intersection is now controlled with lights and has exit/enter ramps, I'm surprised it's the worst in the area. > > > > It's like riding in a Mad Max movie ... > > > > -- > > Chris Norloff > > Falls Church, VA > > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > > '82 Honda CB750F > > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > > -- > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 14:56:07 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web507.yahoomail.com (web507.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07755 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924185422.20706.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.210] by web507.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:54:22 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- charles.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Todd, Tom, actually, but whatever, Charles. > Do you know what the recommended tire pressure and > maximum tire pressure > are for D207s? If you'd done your homework, you'd > know that they are one > and the same - 36 front and 42 rear. Wrong. Homework done....have you done yours? Looking at the side of my 130/70/ZR16 now and max load is 42 psi for the front as well. Recommended (by Dunlop) was 38, I believe. There is a difference. Ask Tom Zell. > We were talking > about Dunlop D207s - > not every tire made. 'We' again? I've been in this friggin thread since I started it, and I know that, Sparky. As far as I can tell, this appears to be your first post, so you weren't talking about anything 'til now. Also, don't know whether Tim Morrow is dealing solely with these tires. Oh how threads develop. > Please don't create straw-man > arguments to refute just > because your original point doesn't pan out. Actually, I didn't. I believe I heard another echo. > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000, 36/42 for street and trackday with no > adverse effects > > > > Todd Gimer wrote: > Which is exactly why a blanket statement/ > recommendation to ride at max pressure for spirited > twisty riding SEEMS ridiculous to ME. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 15:12:04 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08027 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12236 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008701bf06c0$535d1580$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <01BF0699.D4E1E440.bernescut@ncea.org> Subject: Re: DC area outing this weekend? Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:09:29 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm sure you'll do fine...It's not like the Hurricane is a slow bike to begin with :-) So, is that a vote of interest? Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Cedric Bernescut To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 2:33 PM Subject: RE: DC area outing this weekend? > I'd like to squeeze in a ride but don't know if the "F" will keep up with the "F4's" > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 Hurricane > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt S. [SMTP:ksenser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 2:11 PM > To: cbr@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: DC area outing this weekend? > > Just wondering if anyone has any plans for rides this weekend? I would like > to go riding sometime on Sunday if possible, and just thought I'd throw out > a generalized invitation for anyone to come join up. Jeff Kufalk and Ken > Woods (from the cbr list) have already expressed interest in getting > together, therefore it's an F4 outing so far :-) Other bikes *are* welcome, > so let me know. > > Kirt > 99 CBR 600F4 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 15:17:23 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08172 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20370 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:17:33 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8838@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Advice on Road Rage Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:17:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well friends, That sounds like an opportunity to car pool with someone holding a video camera. Get a good shot of the plate with a nice driving feature titled "wacko behind the wheel." Would make real good footage to put with your complaint. Likewise, do you think her insurance company would be interested? Just a thought. My near cage experience involved a hostile fellow with something like the Bronco or Silverado in mean green. As I do the all clear to get into the right lane for my exit, he tries the pass on the right move, and even when I clearly have position, he does the f.y. maneuver to provide me yet another opportunity for reflex testing. Lean and throttle baby!!!! So did he need the right lane, of course, he had to be there so he could swerve across all the lanes of traffic to get back in the left lane. Stupid twit. Grateful alive, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 15:21:36 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08282 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id PAA11136 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id PAA27550; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:21:02 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B56AC@VAE820PO01> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: To the pain Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:20:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like some stories I heard from folks at the Mid Ohio Vintage Days in July. I was talking to a friend with a Triumph chopper, and he was saying how bad the storm was. I nodded, knowingly. I was out walking when it blew in the night before. He went on to say how it was blowing their bikes all over the road. It was only then that I realized he was *riding* in the storm. Holy crap. There were tornadoes touching down not too far away. ...And then I remember how smart I thought I was (many moons ago) when I discovered that if you slow down, the big ole fat rain doesn't hurt as bad. Rich (no more stories today. I promise) '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:nagyj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 12:37 PM > To: Crishock, Richard M, BGM; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sturgis Disaster (was: hehehe) > > Then there's the story of two young Harley-riding fools who decided to > make the run from Sturgis to Deadwood without their leathers because of > the 110-degree heat. Halfway there, it starts raining. Then hailing. > OW OW OW OW OW OW OW . . . ! > > Joe > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 15:39:46 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08567 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA01533; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:39:43 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa09048; Fri, 24 Sep 99 15:14:48 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIK007GKW9BJ8@XXXXXX>; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567F6.006989F8 ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:12:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:12:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567F6.006987EC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Tom (better?), Usually one doesn't find flamebaiters like yourself on a friendly local mailing list like this one and most find it very annoying. Instead of refuting your claims and taking your insulting emails, I'm just going to drop it. I'm sure you'll say it's because I was wrong and I'll let you keep that illusion if it will end this thread. Chris "Sparky" Weaver p.s. Why are you getting so worked up over tire pressures? Better yet, why am I? I'm going riding. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 15:45:46 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08719 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rMRSa10230 (4310); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78531995.251d2ec5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:45:09 EDT Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: t_gimer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 9/23/99 9:58:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: << Ahhh....the dreaded 'head up the ass' label brings 'em outta da woodwork, don't it? >> hahahaha, I am very sensitive there so just the thought of it makes me uneasy. No, not maximum pressure, of course not, just what the manual says which is a little higher than alot of people use. By the way, for all on this list, the author of the "head up one's ass" statement rides very well and fast, particularly when one considers I saw him on a big heavy ZX-11. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 15:54:18 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08835 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA01811 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:54:09 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:35:51 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF06A2.7BB6A820.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC area outing this weekend? Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:35:50 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have to clear it with the Boss (us married folks know what I mean) but should squeeze in a ride depending on the distance. How far do you usually go and when do you usually get back? Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Kirt S. [SMTP:ksenser@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 3:09 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC area outing this weekend? I'm sure you'll do fine...It's not like the Hurricane is a slow bike to begin with :-) So, is that a vote of interest? Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Cedric Bernescut To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 2:33 PM Subject: RE: DC area outing this weekend? > I'd like to squeeze in a ride but don't know if the "F" will keep up with the "F4's" > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 Hurricane > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt S. [SMTP:ksenser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 2:11 PM > To: cbr@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: DC area outing this weekend? > > Just wondering if anyone has any plans for rides this weekend? I would like > to go riding sometime on Sunday if possible, and just thought I'd throw out > a generalized invitation for anyone to come join up. Jeff Kufalk and Ken > Woods (from the cbr list) have already expressed interest in getting > together, therefore it's an F4 outing so far :-) Other bikes *are* welcome, > so let me know. > > Kirt > 99 CBR 600F4 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 15:54:46 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08845 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924195423.17971.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.210] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:54:23 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Tom (better?), > > Usually one doesn't find flamebaiters like yourself > on a friendly local mailing list like this one and > most find it very annoying. Speaking for the group seems to be popular these days. Like I said, do-gooders and deadbeats abound. My style may be different, but I'd be willing to bet I've contributed more useful knowledge to this list than many of those who are supposedly annoyed. > Instead of refuting your > claims and taking your insulting emails, I'm just > going to drop it. I'm sure you'll say it's because I > was wrong and I'll let you keep that illusion if it > will end this thread. Illusion? Where were you RIGHT, may I ask? Oh, and this thread will not end just because you're leaving. > Chris "Sparky" Weaver > > p.s. Why are you getting so worked up over tire > pressures? I'm not. I'm getting worked up over people that get worked up over tire pressures. > Better yet, why > am I? I'm going riding. Good idea. Thanks for dropping in with a wealth of helpful advice. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:02:40 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09004 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.98.131] (user-2iveok3.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.98.131]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16771; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909242002.QAA16771@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:06:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Advice on Road Rage From: "John Whiteside" To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > So, do you see her driving crazy on the road anymore? Did the > confrontation help? It doesn't sound as satisfying as cutting her valve > stems off - be they straight OR right angle. Haven't seen her since -- which is weird, because I used to see her at least once a week. And she can't be hiding from me -- she knows me as the guy on the motorcycle, not the guy in the green pickup (which is usually how I get to work). It was way more satisfying than I would have expected -- I think partly because I had the satisfaction of knowing that I kept acting like a civilized human being, even if that was out of her reach... --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:04:34 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09015 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.98.131] (user-2iveok3.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.98.131]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04970; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909242004.QAA04970@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:08:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' From: "John Whiteside" To: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > At 05:04 AM 9/24/99 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: > > Unless, of course, the driver of the car you pain is carrying a 9mm Glock > or a Colt .45. I have never had that happen, but years ago in a Boston suburb I flashed my high beams at a guy who cut me off. He slammed on the brakes, stopped (me an inch behind him), jumped out of the car, and starting pounding on my window screaming at me. He was about 6'2 and BIG. I'm 5'8 and average build. I'm glad he didn't pull on the door handle, because it was unlocked. It's really not worth having a confrontation unless you are very, very, very sure that you are safe. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:14:22 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09213 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.98.131] (user-2iveok3.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.98.131]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06757; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909242014.QAA06757@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:17:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Advise.... From: "John Whiteside" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Doug Allis" > About 6 months ago someone tried to run me (and motorcycle) off the 14th > St bridge. I got the licence number, make and model of the car. I called > VA state police and they took a report and told me they WOULD file a > complaint. Then they asked for a description of the driver. Yeah right. I > couldn't even tell if there was someone driving because of the tinted > windows. The cop basically told me they had better things to do with real > accidents. > -------------------- > > Yeah, far be it from them to actually try to PREVENT an accident. > > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA I share your frustration. Unfortunately the law is the law; if the cop didn't see it, it's your word against the other driver's, and it will probably go nowhere, and they know it. What might be useful would be some central, easy to remember number where you could report aggressive driving incidents... and when someone winds up in court for a ticket, accident, or whatever, they take a look at the record for that driver and consider it in setting sentences/fines/etc. So the ten times they DON'T get caught could affect the outcome when you do. Of course insurance companies would want to look at it, and you'd have to record who is making the report and give people a chance to dispute what's in there, so it does open up a whole bunch of other issues. On a related traffic enforcement note: last night I was meeting a friend for dinner and a movie in DC. He was at his office at 16th and K, and I was home in Arlington, so I went in to town, parked, and called him at work once I got there. We met at 19th and L NW (midway between him and me and right near dinner at Cafe Asia (yum!) and I was there first, so I stood at that corner and watched the goings-on for about ten minutes. People running lights at EVERY cycle. People using the parking lane to cut people off. Pedestrians stepping into the roadway right as they got a solid DON'T WALK. Yow. It's hard for me to adamantly against the red light cameras when I'm watching this stuff. I totally appreciate the other privacy issues people have brought up here, but man, things are really out of control. Are all these folks so important that they can't follow the rules of the road? Even the most absolutely sensible ones, like stopping for red lights, or waiting for the WALK sign? --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:19:19 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09285 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:19:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199909241619.AA325648694@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Tom Gimer >Speaking for the group seems to be popular these days. > Like I said, do-gooders and deadbeats abound. My >style may be different, but I'd be willing to bet I've >contributed more useful knowledge to this list than >many of those who are supposedly annoyed. Yes, but not on this thread. Annoyed, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:21:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09374 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:21:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199909241621.AA170393766@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Advise on 'road rage' X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "John Whiteside" >It's really not worth having a confrontation unless you are very, very, very >sure that you are safe. Agreed completely. I got involved in a situation that resulted in my pulling MY gun out while planning how to get away from some wacko. Not a good feeling at all. My brains are supposed to be used to AVOID situations like that. -- Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA '90 Honda Pacific Coast '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE '82 Honda CB750F '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:25:21 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09402 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:25:21 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id hQBWa09808 (3971); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:25:01 EDT Subject: Re: Advise.... To: nagyj@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/24/1999 12:13:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nagyj@XXXXXX writes: << "Revenge is a dish best served cold" --ancient Italian proverb >> Khan - Star Trek 2 :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:27:53 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09476 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rUQPa12344 (4532); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6bc1a86b.251d389b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:27:07 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 9/24/99 12:37:27 PM, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: >Wait a second....don't agree with me! There's not >enough room in my ass for your head too. ROTFLMAO I am LOVING this particular flame war. You all are cracking me up. Flame on! :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:41:59 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09656 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id dABLZFhN0_ (4532); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <278645c3.251d3bf2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:41:22 EDT Subject: Re: Advise.... To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 9/24/99 4:22:17 PM, johnwhiteside@XXXXXX writes: >What might be useful would be some central, easy to remember number where >you could report aggressive driving incidents... in Germany, if you could get two (or was it three?) people (witnesses) to agree to a complaint, the police were required to investigate it. Bad idea fort hose evildoers who are out to get people but good for bikers who nearly get run off of bridges. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:43:45 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09732 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-36.patriot.net [209.249.180.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03854; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:43:36 -0400 Message-ID: <37EBE118.CC54503@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:37:44 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: rcrishock@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sturgis Disaster (was: hehehe) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes indeed. O the way to Daytona bike week many moons ago I rode thru rain almost the entire way - until it turned to hail. The most annoying thing was the shattering roar of the ice hitting my helmet. It was like two days before I quit going "Huh?" Bill JOE NAGY wrote: > Then there's the story of two young Harley-riding fools who decided to > make the run from Sturgis to Deadwood without their leathers because of > the 110-degree heat. Halfway there, it starts raining. Then hailing. > OW OW OW OW OW OW OW . . . ! > > Joe > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 16:58:55 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09980 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29049; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f301bf06cf$43d9fe20$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Awesome insurance rates... Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:56:25 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I know a few people on the list asked me to get the guys name that I'm getting my inusurance through. I was with Allstate, and they wanted over $4500 a year for me to have full coverage. I said screw that, and stuck with liability until I could find a better deal (which was still over 900 a year). I walked out, noticed a State Farm a few doors down, and got a quote. All said and done, I have full comprehensive and collision coverage (50/100/50), with reasonable deductibles ($250 all around), rental reimbursement, and medical expense benefits for about $940 per year! I'm 23, one speeding ticket, single, and this rate is awesome. So here ya go...tell him I sent you... Kirt 1999 CBR 600F4 Annandale, Va HIS address and stuff: - Deitra F Young - c/o State Farm Insurance - 5015-c Backlick Rd - Annandale, Va 22003 - 703.750.3500 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 17:01:32 1999 Return-Path: fwegerich@XXXXXX Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10040 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip92.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.92]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00939 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37EBE769.55D206FD@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:04:41 -0400 From: Frank Wegerich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Ride ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone up for a ride on Saturday morning (8.00 am)? Please let me know ... Frank From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 17:08:38 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10171 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-36-224.s224.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.36.224]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18075 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EBE83B.8CF9AFAD@erols.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:08:12 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location References: <19990924125836.11383.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > I was down at Deals Gap this past weekend....a few > pounds of pressure can be the difference between an > enjoying pass through the Gap, and riding home bitch > on your buddy's bike. I'm not referring to commuting > here.... I stand by my contention. If you are riding Deals Gap hard enough that a few pounds of air pressure make the difference between crashing and not crashing, you are riding far too hard for the public roads. There are many other dangers available to limit traction and to affect path of travel through Deals Gap (I've commuted through there myself) that would bite even a very good, very experienced rider in the ass long before a high quality tire would begin to slip on good pavement - whether the tire pressure was 42 pounds or 36 pounds. > > Actually, the point is that I have ridden too > > hard on the street, which is one reason I took up > > racing, yet never once did the tire pressure make a > > difference on the street in my personal situation. > > So, the decision to run the manufacturer's maximum > > cold tire pressure (as marked on the sidewall of the > > tire) was convenient, easy to remember, easy to > > check, easy on tread life, and had no discernible > > effect on the ability of the tire to grip the road > > surface. > > For YOU it didn't. Do you mean to tell us that an MSF > instructor has ridden 'recklessly' on the public > roads? No. > This list has its share of do-gooders and deadbeats. My, my. Who on *earth* might you be referring to? > I just try to liven it up. Ah. A kind of a "public service" thing. Noble of you. > > > I've got my opinion, which somehow manages to get > > > shouted out every once in a while. > > > > Really? Thanks for pointing that out. How else > > would we have known? > > Who are 'we'? Well, you weren't merely e-mailing me privately, now, were you? > It's 'the group' v. Gimer now, eh? I > love it. Perhaps in your mind it is. You seem to have a very active imagination. I was merely pointing out that when you post your opinion to the group and tar a multitude of people on the list with a broad brush as having their heads up their asses, it's fairly obvious to those on the list that your opinion is well known. You don't have to point it out. Irony, sarcasm, subtlety.... I'm sure such nuances aren't lost on one as civic-minded as yourself! From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 17:14:13 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10258 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA19097 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:13:59 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:55:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF06AD.A39011A0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC area outing this weekend? Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:55:42 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where do you guys usually meet? Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Kirt S. [SMTP:ksenser@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 4:29 PM To: bernescut@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC area outing this weekend? Cool, well, it'll probably be for a few hours on Sunday. Maybe meet at 10 get back at between 2-4 Kirt From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 17:21:41 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10394 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990924212119.12683.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.210] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:21:19 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message--------------------- > From: Tom Gimer > >Speaking for the group seems to be popular these > >days. Like I said, do-gooders and deadbeats > >abound. My style may be different, but I'd be > >willing to bet I've contributed more useful > >knowledge to this list than many of those who are > >supposedly annoyed. > > Yes, but not on this thread. > > Annoyed, > Chris Norloff Okay....a respected, annoyed opinion has spoken. Damn. Off to the beach... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 17:42:39 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10743 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-216.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.216]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA24981 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:42:32 -0400 Message-ID: <078d01bf06d5$8037bb40$efa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Pete's Cycles Open House T'mw (Sat. 9/25) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:41:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_078A_01BF06B3.F8550FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_078A_01BF06B3.F8550FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Severna Park (800 Ritchie Hwy) store only, 10 min. up Rte 2 from = Annapolis. Bike, accessories, parts discounts. 410 647 5880. 9a-5p. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Major need: discount Exxon gasoline Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_078A_01BF06B3.F8550FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Severna Park (800 = Ritchie Hwy) store=20 only, 10 min. up Rte 2 from Annapolis.  Bike, accessories, parts=20 discounts.  410 647 5880.  9a-5p. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Major=20 need:  discount Exxon gasoline
Join the AMA.  Help protect = my=20 riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_078A_01BF06B3.F8550FA0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 17:43:16 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10753 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21805 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:43:39 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8839@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:43:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry, but what's the point again? Mike 82 XJ750RJ (hey, at least the tires have air) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 18:09:48 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11156 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FIL00A8C475I2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:09:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA20275 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:04:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.175.16]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990924220903.MIAN28646@[166.44.175.16]> for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:09:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:06:38 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Todd..Was: Tire Pressures and Head Location In-reply-to: <852567F6.006082FD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003501bf06d9$1319c8b0$4faf2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > > Todd, > > > > Todd Gimer wrote: > Which is exactly why a blanket statement/ > recommendation to ride at max pressure for spirited > twisty riding SEEMS ridiculous to ME. So, Gimer finally changed his first name to something cool ;) T (hearing echos on other fronts) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 20:32:35 1999 Return-Path: Red900CBR@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13150 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Red900CBR@XXXXXX Received: from Red900CBR@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id aRGNa00116 (3699); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49fbfb34.251d71d9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:31:21 EDT Subject: Re: [cbr] DC area outing this weekend? To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Hey, I will be there at Sandy Point on Sunday. I am leaving for MD tomorrow morning and I will be in Laurel, MD. They say that tickets will not be sold at the gate. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 20:46:54 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13352 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-112-190.s190.tnt4.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.112.190]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24080 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EC1B90.EA3200D5@erols.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:47:12 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Tired of Pressure and Distorted Perceptions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > I would actually prefer to leave Tim and his distorted > perception of 'actual racing' v. 'dangerous, illegal' > street riding untouched, but OK. > Please be specific. Feel free to use quotes from prior messages of mine. Don't leave us in suspense. What is distorted about my perception of the the difference between racing and riding hard on the street? > The only thing > missing from many groups' street rides which you will > find on the track is passing. It may be insane to do, > but WTF. Really? Which groups? Where do they ride? Please be specific. Does anyone else know of any groups that ride on the street the same way that racers do in a roadrace? Or is Tom the only one who is aware of the existence of these groups? > To each his own. > You keep saying things like that, but it's clear you don't really mean them! ;-) Tim From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 24 20:57:08 1999 Return-Path: LPShutts@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13509 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:57:07 -0400 (EDT) From: LPShutts@XXXXXX Received: from LPShutts@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id aRZLa23994 (4229); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5c92fa19.251d779d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:55:57 EDT Subject: Re: DC area outing this weekend? To: ksenser@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Id be interested in a ride give me the whats sup and ill be there--, Larry 1997 FZR 600 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 25 00:28:32 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16080 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-109.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.109]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA02096 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:28:26 -0400 Message-ID: <079901bf070e$339fa3e0$efa4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Cyclus theftus ubiquitous Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:26:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0796_01BF06EC.AB8175E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0796_01BF06EC.AB8175E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This from yesterday's (9/24) Annapolis Capital: "Motorcycles taken A group of men driving a U-Haul truck pulled up to a Brooklyn Park = motorcycle shop Tuesday, broke inside and rolled out several = motorcycles, county police said. =20 An officer responded to an alarm at 4:30a and found a security gate = open, and the inside door undamaged but unlocked. A witness reported = that he saw three men standing around a U-Haul truck. =20 A manager told the officer that at least five off-road dirt = motorcycles valued at about $18,000 were stolen." Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Should I go get dirty and scruffy? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0796_01BF06EC.AB8175E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This from yesterday's = (9/24)=20 Annapolis Capital:
 
"Motorcycles = taken
 
    A = group of men=20 driving a U-Haul truck pulled up to a Brooklyn Park motorcycle shop = Tuesday,=20 broke inside and rolled out several motorcycles, county police = said. =20
    An = officer=20 responded to an alarm at 4:30a and found a security gate open, and the = inside=20 door undamaged but unlocked.  A witness reported that he saw three = men=20 standing around a U-Haul truck. 
    A = manager told the=20 officer that at least five off-road dirt motorcycles valued at about = $18,000=20 were stolen."
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 -->=20 Should I go get dirty and scruffy?
Join the AMA.  Help protect = my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0796_01BF06EC.AB8175E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 25 02:44:08 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA18482 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA18002; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:47:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:47:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: jmikut@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Georg has a bike for sale. It's an '82 Suzuki GS 650L, $550. Pix and details at site below. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:46:40 PDT Garcia: The site for the bike is www.geocities.com/SoHo/8389/george.html From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 25 19:52:05 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05282 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (216-164-129-159.s413.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.129.159]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17163; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01d501be8f75$5d41ede0$9f81a4d8@default> From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Tomorrow and riding... Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:43:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 OK, as far as getting together tomorrow and riding, anybody that wants to go, e-mail me (on list or off) and let's figure out a place to meet, what time, and where we are going. I'm pretty much up for anything, and regardless of whether anyone else is coming, I'll probably waste a tank or two worth of gas just meandering around the DC area tomorrow. Also, feel free to page me whenever tonight, as I will most likely be home or in the general vicinity. Kirt 1999 CBR 600F4 Annandale, Va 703-523-7744 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 25 20:09:15 1999 Return-Path: LPShutts@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05518 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:09:14 -0400 (EDT) From: LPShutts@XXXXXX Received: from LPShutts@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id aQSSsqxcj_ (4572); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <68687100.251ebdda@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:07:54 EDT Subject: Re: Tomorrow and riding... To: ksenser@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 just give me a time and a place and ill be there. Larry 1997 FZR 600 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 25 20:37:05 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA05934 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990926003811.15584.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.70.70.123] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:38:11 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Someone tried to steal my bike To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Usually when I leave my motorcycle at my apartment, I lock it, with a thick kryponite cable wrapped around a fence post, and locked to the rear wheel with a kryponite disk lock. Then I cover it. Today, since I was just running in for about an hour to grab lunch, I just put the kryponite lock on the front wheel (the way I lock it when at work or out on the road somewhere). When I came out after lunch, I noticed the lock was raised. Usually I leave it hanging down. Then I couldn't insert the key into the lock. It was a barrel type lock, and somehow the inner part was turned about 1/8 of the way. The way the lock is, you can't take the key out until it is locked. So the reverse was true, I couldn't get the key into the lock at all. After talking to the folks at Cycle Sports (where I bought the lock 4 years ago) and taking a closer look at the key, I brought it (the key) to a locksmith. He filed down the tab on the outside of the barrel. I was then able to insert the key into the kryponite lock and unlock it. Whew! Heck of a lot cheaper than having to have someone come out with a blow torch or something! When I got on the bike later, I also noticed the left mirror was out of wack. Now maybe I somehow messed the lock up, but it's pretty hard to do, and I've been using the lock for 4 years, I doubt I'd suddenly do something that breaks it. When I talked to the security guy at my apartment, he said since nothing was stolen or damaged (excuse me? I had to buy a new lock cuz I can't trust the other one any more) he couldn't take a report, and the police wouldn't be interested either. He did say he would keep a closer eye on it. But security is only on duty 5 pm to 9 am. They only drive around once in a while. And this happened around noon! Tonight, besides my regular lock setup, I also have a chain linking the tire to the fence. Meanwhile, thank goodness for Kryptonite. Louis ===== Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 25 22:16:33 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07215 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:16:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2UNRa24736 (4191) for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1dbd52cd.251edbd7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:15:51 EDT Subject: Idiot on a Blue ZX-9R To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 I went to Pete's Cycle in Severna park, Md. for their "open house". Very depressing. The biggest deal was a 9,000 price on a 99 ZX-9R which is what I paid for a 98 in March of 98 when it was a new model. Some dealers just don't get it. The clearance tables had real junk on them. Saw my friend Mike there, a former racer in late his 40s early 50s who rides a BMW dual sport type bike. Rides it very fast and well. I had ridden up on my blue ZX-9R. I noticed another blue ZX-9R, very clean, with about 1 and a half inches of chicken stripe. While I was standing outside with my friend Mike looking at his Bimmer, the owner of the other ZX-9R (parked next to the Bimmer) comes out with a few items he had bought. Mike, being the friendly guy he is, makes some friendly comment to this younger guy in shorts who doesn't give him the time of day. The guy gets on the bike and pulls out of the parking lot. He gets on the main road and does a pitifully wimpy wheelie, to impress the audience. Morals of the story: 1. Just because a guy has a Bimmer don't believe that a ZX-9R, R1 etc. will go faster with you on it. 2. To mildly impress you have to go through at least 2 gears on one wheel, preferably 3. 3. When another rider tries to strike up a conversation, don't act like an asshole. Jeesh, the guy pissed me off. After trying to convince Mike for years that most Japanese sportbike owners are ok, this guy blows it. LOL Don't think the guy is on the list, wish he was. I'd love to take him out on ride with Mike and a few other riding acquaintances, you know who you are. Ciao, Fred Blue ZX-9R and ashamed. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 25 22:41:54 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f30.hotmail.com [209.185.131.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07520 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36673 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 1999 02:41:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19990926024121.36672.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.138.170 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:41:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.138.170] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! YSR50 Races Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:41:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey, Does anyone know when this shindig gets going? Anyone riding from the Northern VA area want to ride up togather (remember, you'll be going ~50 max with me, heh)? Thanks! --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 25 23:10:42 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07906 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FIN00LA6CSWQD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 03:10:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id DAA04172; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 03:08:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.249]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990926030958.PLQU28646@[166.44.166.249]>; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 03:09:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:07:36 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Someone tried to steal my bike In-reply-to: <19990926003811.15584.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles Message-id: <003e01bf07cc$489ffab0$4faf2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > > Usually when I leave my motorcycle at my apartment, I lock it, > with a thick > kryponite cable wrapped around a fence post, and locked to the > rear wheel with > a kryponite disk lock. Then I cover it. Today, since I was just > running in > for about an hour to grab lunch, I just put the kryponite lock on > the front > wheel (the way I lock it when at work or out on the road somewhere). > > When I came out after lunch, I noticed the lock was raised. > Usually I leave it > hanging down. Then I couldn't insert the key into the lock. It > was a barrel > type lock, and somehow the inner part was turned about 1/8 of the > way. Pr'olly after that Day Long....hmmmmm > > When I got on the bike later, I also noticed the left mirror was > out of wack. Checkin the hair? Poppin a zit? who knows... > > Now maybe I somehow messed the lock up, but it's pretty hard to > do, and I've > > Tonight, besides my regular lock setup, I also have a chain > linking the tire to > the fence. Meanwhile, thank goodness for Kryptonite. > > Louis Tx goodness indeed Lou. GODDDAMnIT! I've never had a bike stolen, and I just can't imagine it. I'm glad you still have your ride. TO ALL THEIVES ON DC-CYCLES.... FUCK YOU!.... Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 25 23:12:47 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA07980 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990926031248.25473.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:12:48 PDT Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tires and heads and such To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tim, Regarding hard riding groups, one in the area, WSDYMF (I'll let you figure out what the letters stand for :)) ride pretty damn hard... not exactly a race pace, but they take the corners harder than any other street riders I've been with. For my personal experience with both dunlops and avons, I notice a difference wiht changes in tire pressures when out just putzing around (maybe 6/10ths?) The worst I saw this on was 204's , but 207s seem to feel that way too...maybe I've got a better calibrated ass ;-) Admittedly, for street riding I don't futz with a pound or two here or there... I experiment and find what pressures work to my liking for the type of asphalt in a certain region... then I generally stick with those pressues... For NOVA through W by god VA I personally felt best at 36 rear and 34-35 front on dunlops.. and about a pound or two higher than that on avons.... but tire life has never been an issue for me... If I get more than 4000 out of a tire on a sportbike, I consider it a miracle ;-) I think the bottom line comes down to riding with what you like. Tom Z. likes his tires up a bit higher.. it works for him... I like mine softer, and it works for me... Gimer is in the middle somwhere and it works for him (and I too have been out with him... he ain't slow on anything he rides) Although I'm still trying to figure out how he can see where he's going with his head up his... hehehe oh well... back to doing nothing... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 00:41:18 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09123 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA02191 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Idiot on a Blue ZX-9R In-Reply-To: <1dbd52cd.251edbd7@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > 1. Just because a guy has a Bimmer don't believe that a ZX-9R, R1 etc. > will go faster with you on it. Come on now, Fred! We've had discussions where I pushed the notion that it's the rider that's important and not the bike and you would keep bringing up the idea about the oft mentioned but never seen "equivalent riders on different bikes" thing... Now, here you are bringing up my standard point... I'm just confused! :) I feel like I ought to mention that if the rider on the ZX-9R was as good as the BMW rider there would be tuetonic distress and safety from hari kari! ;') The world is upside down. > 2. To mildly impress you have to go through at least 2 gears on one > wheel, preferably 3. I would be more impressed if you cleared an 18" diameter log just after starting your wheelie... Perhaps that's just because I still don't have that one down (but I will try again when my ego heals). > Don't think the guy is on the list, wish he was. I'd love to take him > out on ride with Mike and a few other riding acquaintances, you know > who you are. Sound like fun to me! I wonder if my wife's KE100 would do the trick... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 08:50:23 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16223 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:50:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id kDJDa21543 (4183); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:49:07 EDT Subject: Re: Idiot on a Blue ZX-9R To: kirk@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 9/26/99 12:46:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << you would keep bringing up the idea about the oft mentioned but never seen "equivalent riders on different bikes" thing... Now, here you are bringing up my standard point... I'm just confused! :) >> Jeesh, do you have photographic memory or what? But the idiot wasn't equivalent :-)) <> And riding a funny looking BETA motorcycle? <> Or a 125cc Italjet scooter. :-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 11:00:28 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18909 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.97] (user-2iveo31.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.97]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19972 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909261500.LAA19972@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:02:30 -0400 Subject: Saturday Night Bike Hell.... From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit So, I'm sure most of you are out riding on this beautiful day... that was my plan but it was not to be. Last night, heading out to meet a friend in DC for a movie... stop at a gas station to fill up near home in Arlington... and when I go to restart the bike, everything is fine until I push the starter button... at which point all lights go out. Huh? Wheel the bike over to the side of the gas station, ask the attendant if I can leave it for a while (he was cool, it was OK -- sometimes they can be jerks about this), sprint 10 blocks home to grab the truck and meet the friend who is standing on a sidewalk in DC waiting for me, and come back around midnight with tools, flashlight, etc. to poke around. Fuses are fine. Then I notice that when I turn the ignition, the lights are now coming on! Until I press the starter button, when they dim down considerably. Turn the ignition again -- no lights. Turn it again -- lights. It's totally unpredictable. Take the battery out, bring it home, put it on the battery tender... it's all charged up, no problem there. This morning I gave up & had it towed home. The good thing about AMA's MoTow program is that they got someone out within 30 minutes who knew what they were doing. The bad thing is that you're not covered it you're within 2 miles of home... and those 2 miles have a little hilly part, so I was not thrilled with the idea of pushing it, though it wasn't far. So I had to pay, but now it's in the driveway. My hunch: I used to have a problem with the taillight not coming on when the ignition was on (but it did work on the accessory position). Dennis at Crossroads told me that a lot of older hondas (this is an 82 CX500) have some ignition switch troubles, and that the choices were replace it or, cheaper, wire around it, which is what he did for me, and which fixed the problems. But now I'm wondering if I'm seeing a new manifestation of the same problem. So now I have a little project instead of riding, which may end at a shop. Grr. And since I was thinking I wanted something a bit bigger anyway, the new bike bug is re-active in my head. Anyway.... just kind of venting, I mean, sharing. If anyone has any bright ideas about this, please share back! If not -- enjoy this day on behalf of those of us who aren't! --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 11:55:20 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19565 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA03781; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005b01bf0837$cb5a9d00$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "John Whiteside" , References: <199909261500.LAA19972@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Saturday Night Bike Hell.... Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:57:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sounds like a grouding problem or corroded battery teminal. I don't remember what you're riding but my first check would be to make sure that the frame ground is nice and clean and tight. Then make sure that the battery connections are clean and tight as well. Then I would check the connections at the starter relay. A lot of times there will be tons of corrosion there but since it's usually covered up you can't see it without investigating. Good luck! Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Whiteside To: Sent: Sunday, September 26, 1999 11:02 AM Subject: Saturday Night Bike Hell.... > So, I'm sure most of you are out riding on this beautiful day... that was my > plan but it was not to be. > > Last night, heading out to meet a friend in DC for a movie... stop at a gas > station to fill up near home in Arlington... and when I go to restart the > bike, everything is fine until I push the starter button... at which point > all lights go out. Huh? > > Wheel the bike over to the side of the gas station, ask the attendant if I > can leave it for a while (he was cool, it was OK -- sometimes they can be > jerks about this), sprint 10 blocks home to grab the truck and meet the > friend who is standing on a sidewalk in DC waiting for me, and come back > around midnight with tools, flashlight, etc. to poke around. Fuses are fine. > Then I notice that when I turn the ignition, the lights are now coming on! > Until I press the starter button, when they dim down considerably. Turn the > ignition again -- no lights. Turn it again -- lights. It's totally > unpredictable. > > Take the battery out, bring it home, put it on the battery tender... it's > all charged up, no problem there. This morning I gave up & had it towed > home. The good thing about AMA's MoTow program is that they got someone out > within 30 minutes who knew what they were doing. The bad thing is that > you're not covered it you're within 2 miles of home... and those 2 miles > have a little hilly part, so I was not thrilled with the idea of pushing it, > though it wasn't far. So I had to pay, but now it's in the driveway. > > My hunch: I used to have a problem with the taillight not coming on when the > ignition was on (but it did work on the accessory position). Dennis at > Crossroads told me that a lot of older hondas (this is an 82 CX500) have > some ignition switch troubles, and that the choices were replace it or, > cheaper, wire around it, which is what he did for me, and which fixed the > problems. But now I'm wondering if I'm seeing a new manifestation of the > same problem. > > So now I have a little project instead of riding, which may end at a shop. > Grr. And since I was thinking I wanted something a bit bigger anyway, the > new bike bug is re-active in my head. > > Anyway.... just kind of venting, I mean, sharing. If anyone has any bright > ideas about this, please share back! If not -- enjoy this day on behalf of > those of us who aren't! > > > --- > John Whiteside > whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 17:13:10 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23727 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-167.patriot.net [209.249.180.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA10906; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:13:01 -0400 Message-ID: <37EE8AFF.E9052918@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:07:11 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas and Jeannette CC: John Whiteside , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Night Bike Hell.... References: <199909261500.LAA19972@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> <005b01bf0837$cb5a9d00$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go with Tom's suggestion. Had a similer prob with mine and it turned out to be a lousy battery ground. Then I had the mysterious hi-beam/lo-beam random switching - without touching the switch. ??? Also a lousy ground. Bill Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > Sounds like a grouding problem or corroded battery teminal. I don't > remember what you're riding but my first check would be to make sure that > the frame ground is nice and clean and tight. Then make sure that the > battery connections are clean and tight as well. Then I would check the > connections at the starter relay. A lot of times there will be tons of > corrosion there but since it's usually covered up you can't see it without > investigating. > > Good luck! > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Whiteside > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 1999 11:02 AM > Subject: Saturday Night Bike Hell.... > > > So, I'm sure most of you are out riding on this beautiful day... that was > my > > plan but it was not to be. > > > > Last night, heading out to meet a friend in DC for a movie... stop at a > gas > > station to fill up near home in Arlington... and when I go to restart the > > bike, everything is fine until I push the starter button... at which point > > all lights go out. Huh? > > > > Wheel the bike over to the side of the gas station, ask the attendant if I > > can leave it for a while (he was cool, it was OK -- sometimes they can be > > jerks about this), sprint 10 blocks home to grab the truck and meet the > > friend who is standing on a sidewalk in DC waiting for me, and come back > > around midnight with tools, flashlight, etc. to poke around. Fuses are > fine. > > Then I notice that when I turn the ignition, the lights are now coming on! > > Until I press the starter button, when they dim down considerably. Turn > the > > ignition again -- no lights. Turn it again -- lights. It's totally > > unpredictable. > > > > Take the battery out, bring it home, put it on the battery tender... it's > > all charged up, no problem there. This morning I gave up & had it towed > > home. The good thing about AMA's MoTow program is that they got someone > out > > within 30 minutes who knew what they were doing. The bad thing is that > > you're not covered it you're within 2 miles of home... and those 2 miles > > have a little hilly part, so I was not thrilled with the idea of pushing > it, > > though it wasn't far. So I had to pay, but now it's in the driveway. > > > > My hunch: I used to have a problem with the taillight not coming on when > the > > ignition was on (but it did work on the accessory position). Dennis at > > Crossroads told me that a lot of older hondas (this is an 82 CX500) have > > some ignition switch troubles, and that the choices were replace it or, > > cheaper, wire around it, which is what he did for me, and which fixed the > > problems. But now I'm wondering if I'm seeing a new manifestation of the > > same problem. > > > > So now I have a little project instead of riding, which may end at a shop. > > Grr. And since I was thinking I wanted something a bit bigger anyway, the > > new bike bug is re-active in my head. > > > > Anyway.... just kind of venting, I mean, sharing. If anyone has any bright > > ideas about this, please share back! If not -- enjoy this day on behalf of > > those of us who aren't! > > > > > > --- > > John Whiteside > > whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 18:46:18 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web507.yahoomail.com ([128.11.68.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24859 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990926224415.5831.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.193] by web507.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:44:15 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: tomorrow@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tim Morrow wrote: > After being asked to shut up, I agreed to be done with this thread, but alas I've been sucked back in....I promise I'll be brief. > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > I was down at Deals Gap this past weekend....a few > > pounds of pressure can be the difference between > > an enjoying pass through the Gap, and riding home > > bitch on your buddy's bike. I'm not referring to > > commuting here.... > > I stand by my contention. If you are riding Deals > Gap hard enough that a few pounds of air pressure > make the difference between crashing and not > crashing, you are riding far too hard for the public > roads. Say it isn't so! > There are many other dangers available to > limit traction and to affect path of travel through > Deals Gap (I've commuted through there myself) that > would bite even a very good, very experienced rider > in the ass long before a high quality tire would > begin to slip on good pavement - > whether the tire pressure was 42 pounds or 36 > pounds. I'm going back to 34, so we're actually talkin' bout 8 pounds of pressure. > > This list has its share of do-gooders and > > deadbeats. > > My, my. Who on *earth* might you be referring to? I wonder. Perhaps people that preach that a rider who wrecks without interference from wildlife is 'reckless,' no matter what the circumstances are. > > Who are 'we'? > > Well, you weren't merely e-mailing me privately, > now, were you? > > > It's 'the group' v. Gimer now, eh? I > > love it. > > Perhaps in your mind it is. You seem to have a very > active imagination. And I thank the Lord for it. > I was merely pointing out that > when you post your opinion to the group and tar a > multitude of people on the list with a broad brush > as having their heads up their asses, it's fairly > obvious to those on the list that your opinion is > well known. You don't have to point it out. > Irony, sarcasm, subtlety.... I'm sure such nuances > aren't lost on one as civic-minded as yourself! In the future I'll attempt to conform to the rules of the Collective. There will be no future name-calling or disagreements....and a group hug will be scheduled for sometime around Halloween. Hopefully we'll all be able to put this whole sordid affair behind us and grow from the experience. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 18:48:28 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com ([128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24869 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990926224753.10549.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.193] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:47:53 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Todd..Was: Tire Pressures and Head Location To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > > > Todd, > > > > > > > > Todd Gimer wrote: > > Which is exactly why a blanket statement/ > > recommendation to ride at max pressure for > > spirited twisty riding SEEMS ridiculous to ME. > > So, Gimer finally changed his first name to > something cool ;) > > T (hearing echos on other fronts) Oh shut up and get back in yer bottle! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 19:12:36 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com ([128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA25388 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990926231149.12430.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.193] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:11:49 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:11:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tired of Pressure and Distorted Perceptions To: tomorrow@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tim Morrow wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > I would actually prefer to leave Tim and his > > distorted perception of 'actual racing' v. > > 'dangerous, illegal' street riding untouched, but > > OK. > > Please be specific. Feel free to use quotes from > prior messages of mine. Don't leave us in suspense. > What is distorted about my perception of the the > difference between racing and riding hard on the > street? The fact that you think people don't ride hard-as-hell on the street. Did you ever see Collin F. ride his GSXR750 streetbike? If you roast the edges of your tires that quickly you're riding just as hard on the street as many of the racers in the lower classes are on the track. 'Racing' encompasses more than AMA Superbike, and I'm sure you know that. > > The only thing missing from many groups' street > > rides which you will find on the track is > > passing. It may be insane to do, but WTF. > > Really? Which groups? Where do they ride? Please > be specific. Does anyone else know of any groups > that ride on the street the same way that racers do > in a roadrace? Or is Tom the only one who is aware > of the existence of these groups? I'm not the only one who knows of groups like these. > > To each his own. > > > > You keep saying things like that, but it's clear you > don't really mean them! ;-) I actually do! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 19:21:10 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25506 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-128-12.s12.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.128.12]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29661 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:20:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990926191030.00c62980@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:20:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: BGWVA Trip Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just a very brief trip report from my 'By God West Virginia' trip. Did almost exactly 700 miles this weekend. 350 down Friday in 7 hours, 350 back today in 6 hours. Took 55 to 340, almost got hit by an old guy turning left in Front Royal. Missed me by a foot. 340 was scenic. 11 South was great - very pretty . Some twisties fun at the higher speeds the road allowed. Didn't have time to make it to 33 or 28 in WVA. But oh do I have an awesome road for anyone that loves curves. 60 West from White Sulpher Springs to Rt. 19 was the best road I have ever been on. Few cars / trucks, 90% 55 Zone, and continuous curves. One stretch was 7 miles of switchback 10mph S curves up to Mt. Lookout and back down. My only complaints - I rode half the road in the dark.....and there was a bit of gravel in a lot of the curves. Hopefully I'll get my film developed tomorrow. At the top of the switchbacks I got a shot downhill that is just awesome. Rest of the ride was slab. 64 is beautiful slab though - in between the frequent on-road kill zones marked by 30 feet of blood and a bit of fur. Fortunately my only wildlife encounter was a squirrel on the road that evaded me just in time! Cheers. I have decided that riding 7 hours, camping, rafting, camping, then riding 6 hours is not a great thing to put the body through. I'll probably drive the car next time - just because I am so sore from rafting that the ride home was uncomfortable at times. Time to look into a Corbin too. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 19:31:30 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA25633 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA24965; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:35:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:35:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: John Whiteside cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Night Bike Hell.... In-Reply-To: <199909261500.LAA19972@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Most likely bad battery connections--loose, dirty, or corroded. Bad ignition switch is possible, but much less frequent. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 26 20:04:16 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26111 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-167.patriot.net [209.249.180.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA20168; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:03:59 -0400 Message-ID: <37EEB30C.5E106728@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:58:04 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike T CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BGWVA Trip Report References: <4.2.0.58.19990926191030.00c62980@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My skinny butt sez Corbin is A-Okay. Two back-to-back 600 mile days while blasting home from Baton Rouge LA sent the OEM Harley seat into retirement. Got a Corbin with a smooth saddle. No fancy designs to be tattooed into my butt. Bill Mike T wrote: > I have decided that riding 7 hours, camping, rafting, camping, then riding > 6 hours is not a great thing to put the body through. I'll probably drive > the car next time - just because I am so sore from rafting that the ride > home was uncomfortable at times. Time to look into a Corbin too. > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 05:30:27 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA05160 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18057 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 09:35:14 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 09:35:14 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA24394; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:33:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:33:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199909270933.FAA24394@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Bike wobble On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:16:34 EDT Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >It amazes me how many motorcyclists criticize the oil leak design of British >bikes. This was a design goal and actually limits the number of maintenance >tasks. Oil changes are in fact optional as by replacing the oil that has >leaked you are actually changing oil on a continuous basis. Sounds like my last Buell. 2 quart oil tank w/2.5k service intervals,but it was burning a quart every 1-1.5k miles. You also couldn't put 2 quarts in the oil tank because then it would spit oil into the airbox whenever you rode at high(+3k) rpms. On the plus side,it never fouled it's plugs,and since it burned the oil there was no mess to clean up. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 05:32:55 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA05170 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21225 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 09:37:43 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 09:37:43 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA24555; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:35:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:35:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199909270935.FAA24555@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Clean'in Up... On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:23:24 EDT Karl Mueller wrote: >One thing though: if anyone has polorized sunglasses, try looking through a >helmit's face shield. I feel like i'm on some kinda hallucination, b/c of >all the pretty colours that mess with your vision. Anyone know how to get >rid of this nastyness? Get new shades. My old glasses did that,but I've got a pair of Ray Ban's now with the G-15 lenses. No funny colors,better regular color definition,and they even cut glare better. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 05:35:07 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA05249 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22648 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 09:39:55 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 09:39:55 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA24644; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:37:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:37:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199909270937.FAA24644@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: hehehe On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:14:05 -0400 Chris Norloff wrote: >Well-ridden rider going to Daytona on his Harley. Everytime he passes a Harley on a trailer or in a truck, he gives them the finger. The one and only time I ever gave someone the "one finger salute" was after a pickup cut me off on the Beltway. He had an HD decal in his rear window. :-P The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 06:43:30 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06067 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:43:06 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C8C8@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Advise.... Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:43:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) There's no money in that. See at an accident scene they can charge someone with Reckless Driving or Improper Lane Changing, or Following to Closely, etc. All of those are possible revenue for the county and/or state. You don't really believe they really want to make it safer for us, do you? Glenn >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Doug Allis" > About 6 months ago someone tried to run me (and motorcycle) off the 14th St >bridge. I got the licence number, make and model of the car. I called VA state >police and they took a report and told me they WOULD file a complaint. Then they >asked for a description of the driver. Yeah right. I couldn't even tell if >there was someone driving because of the tinted windows. The cop basically told >me they had better things to do with real accidents. >-------------------- >Yeah, far be it from them to actually try to PREVENT an accident. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 09:34:44 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08740 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:33:59 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:33:55 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:33:21 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Tire Pressures and Head Location Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Great. Another fargin' tire argument. Why don't yez take it outside. Or settle it on the track instead of talking us to death? To old fer this crap, Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 10:57:54 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09954 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id KAA15711; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EF8443.4BC81BA6@pti.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:50:43 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Whiteside CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Advice on Road Rage References: <199909241320.JAA24222@smtp5.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back in my younger (dumber) days I use to care a roll of pennies for such an occasion. When they where nice and close I would just throw the roll at the ground next to me and let the idiot drive right into the shower of pennies. Does wonders on a paint job but always ended up with me having to make a run for my life with 3500 lbs. of metal and one piste off driver hot an my trail. As I said, it was in my dumber days but it sure was fun and got the blood flowing. John Whiteside wrote: > It is frustrating that there's little you can do... but now and then there > is a moment that makes you feel a bit better. > > A while back I began to notice a certain driver on my I-66/Toll Road > commute. She was driving a high profile car -- a brand new convertible from > a European manufacturer, a new model (so it caught your eye), in an > interesting shade of green. A car you notice -- more so when it is traveling > from the far right to the far left lane in one move at 85 mph, nearly > hitting you. Then going back to the right. Then to the middle. Then back and > forth some more. With each lane change nearly creaming someone. > > In short, your classic DC aggressive driver. > > (She never seemed to get anywhere faster than I did traveling at a steady 65 > mph, though, and rarely changing lanes. Hmm.) > > Anyway, I started noticing this particular person a lot -- we clearly have > identical commuting patterns. Till one day, on the last stretch of the > inbound toll road feeding into 66, she decided she needed to occupy the spot > where my truck was. > > Fortunately, I was paying attention, and swerved onto the shoulder to avoid > collision. I honked my horn as I did this. She didn't like that, and slammed > hard on her brakes -- sort of a "hit me, I'll sue!" move. Luckily my cheap > Ford truck brakes as well as her yupmobile that costs four times as much. > > This little cat and mouse thing continued for some time -- I was pissed, but > just kept a good distance. It's bad enough to be an overaggressive clueless > idiot, but now we had a more intentional "I'm going to make you hit me, and > since you're behind me it will be your fault!" thing happening. > > The funny part is this: > > For all her aggression, she ended up exiting 66 at the same place I did, at > the same time... which was kind of funny, because it turns out she lives > between my home and the 66 entrance in Ballston. Hmm. > > A few days later, I drove home from work on a beautiful afternoon and > immediately decided to take a quick ride around town -- I had to do a few > quick errands, so why not make it fun on the bike. So, as I am coming along > on Wilson Boulevard in Arlington, a car suddenly screams through a stop sign > on a side street right in front of me. Fortunately I was thinking SIPDE and > it wasn't a big deal. But guess who it was? > > She then decided to get gas and pulled into a service station. I decided to > get gas, too. Being very careful not to be threatening, as we stood at > either side of the same pump, I said, "You really need to drive more > carefully." > > She looked at the ground and said, "Thank you." > > I continued: "Those stop signs are there for a reason, you know. You're > gonna kill someone if you don't watch it." > > "Thank you." > > "You're pretty bad on 66 and the Toll Road, too. I see you weaving all over > the road all the time. You're a menace -- you'd better shape up before you > cause an accident." > > She didn't say anything. So, as I hopped on the bike, I just said, "We have > the same commute, you know. YOu live on _____ Road, right?" And left. > > It's amazing how good it feels to just CONFRONT someone -- not yell or fight > or get revenge, but just say "Look at what you are doing!" -- with their bad > behavior and watch them get nervous. Haven't seen her since -- don't know if > it's chance or what. The thought did cross my mind that she could have taken > down my plate number and called the cops about the crazy stalker biker -- > but I was very careful to be not threatening, or even angry, and I would > actually kind of welcome the chance to fill the police in on the whole > story. > > This was all a month or so ago. > --- > John Whiteside > whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 11:24:50 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10333 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id LAA23233 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37EF8A92.17094C23@pti.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:17:38 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Time for new rubber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have known that my tires where getting a little worn out but figured I could get a few more commutes on them before replacing them. That is until the other day when I was on my way home from work and some ingrate cut me off and when I did my normal hand full of front brake the tire locked up. Now I am the owner of an V&H exhaust with a foot print melted to it and a pair do dirty scibbies. So this brings me to my questions, what tires to buy and where to get them. I am riding an FZR600 and love to play on the weekends but also commute 76 miles a day from Gainesville to Crystal City and back. I ride rain or shine and will be trying to stay on the bike for most of the winter unless there is ice or snow. I am running Michelins right now but have notice that they are getting a flat spot in the centers for the commute. Not sure with that kind of mileage if there is anything that can be done about it. Any words of advise? Thanks in advance Nelson -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 12:21:51 1999 Return-Path: jkbroga@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11208 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-52-71.s71.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.52.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19327 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bf08e3$b5f390a0$37a1fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Time for new rubber/Keep em! Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:27:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 If the past in any indication, someone will be along any minute now to recommend that you keep your old tires and "revel" in the slide fest. Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 Any words of >advise? > >Thanks in advance >Nelson > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 13:37:08 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12815 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id KAA19429 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:36:53 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:36:53 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Nelson Fernandez , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Time for new rubber Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:36:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I am running Michelins >right now but have notice that they are getting a >flat spot in the centers for the commute. They'll all do that. Any good general purpose tire should do fine by you - I tend to be partial to Metzelers and would reccomend a ME-55/ME-33 combo - a good bias ply tire that goes between the super sticky squidos and the hi-mileage o-rings. My observations on my personal riding is that I chicken out LONG before my tires do (and I tend to have very narrow chicken stripes). Tires are so much better than they used to be. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 13:46:41 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12935 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01699 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Riding safety (long) Re: Time for new rubber/Keep em! In-Reply-To: <001301bf08e3$b5f390a0$37a1fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management wrote: > If the past in any indication, someone will be along any minute now to > recommend that you keep your old tires and "revel" in the slide fest. If the past is any indication Jonathan will continue to be unable to comprehend what he reads. I thought Jonathan wanted to drop the topic and yet here he is bringing it up again. To summarize: I posted a joke about sliding and, yes, revelling in the thrill of it. I also briefly mentioned in that post that I thought learning to slide had value in safety terms. From that Jonathan surmised that I advocated using old tires to slide wildly at high speeds in front of the nearest elementary school or old folks home (ok, I exaggerate...). Leon broke in with his view that learning to handle slides did indeed have safety value. Jonathan also interpreted Leon's post as advocating wildly sliding around on public roads endangering the very fabric of our society. I responded in saying that I advocate practicing in parking lots as does Leon. Jonathan still considered the main point I was making to be that we should be out on old tires, dryrotted to the point that science no longer even considers the tread compound to be rubber, on the most heavily populated public roads we can find, doing full slides into child cancer patients waiting to catch the bus (perhaps I have a penchant for exaggeration). In the end, the point I was attempting to make is this: riding on the street involves very few "sure things". It does a motorcyclist well to arm him (or her) -self with as many tools and techniques to face the dangers with a reasonable chance of long term survival. Getting to know what happens to the bike and how to handle it when it starts to slide is just one of those tools/techniques. There are many more. There are also many ways of going about learning those techniques and many places to practice them. Practice in empty parking lots (e.g., commuter lots on the weekend), riding on dirt roads, full on dirt biking, getting on the track (for track days or actual racing), etc will all add to a motorcyclist's ability to keep the bike right side up. None of these techniques will be put into usage in an emergency if they're only understood through book knowledge. They must be practiced and become second nature. Keith Code would call this beating your survival reactions. Assuming that the world is so perfect that you'll never face oil spots, black ice, leaves, etc is just not good enough for me. While I fully understand that Jonathan will continue to believe that I advocate sliding 10 year old Cheng Shins at 100 mph through the Ballston mall with infants strapped all over the bike I hope that no one else gets that impression... :) This is, quite possibly, my final say on the matter in regards to Jonathan's comprehension of my ramblings. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 16:29:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15512 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09732 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23342 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02353 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:28:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990927162321.00a29be0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:28:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RC51 vs. SuperHawk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ok...I need to understand the difference between the RC51 and the SuperHawk. I would do this on usenet, but I would get flamed to the end of the world. These are both v-twin 1000cc superbikes, right? Why didn't Honda just replace the SH with the RC51? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 16:33:00 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.58.53]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15566 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dawnjon (LAURB404-41.splitrock.net [209.254.22.133]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA183110; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:32:34 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01bf0905$885f59e0$8516fed1@dawnjon> From: "Jon Schumer" To: "Nelson Fernandez" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" References: <37EF8A92.17094C23@pti.com> Subject: Re: Time for new rubber Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:29:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nelson, Having had a 92' FZR before, I know you are limited to tire selection with the 18" rear rim. The best tires I've come across for this bike are the Bridgestone Battleaxe BT56SS's. These should be perfect for your kind of riding. They are dual compound with harder centers for mileage and softer sides for the backroads. They're also much cheaper than most other decent tires available. They stick better than the MEZ1's/Dragon's and last longer. You should be able to find a set for under $200. If you want some more info. on your bike, check out my website: http://come.to/fzrmofo Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 16:54:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15950 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09908 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26521 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06999 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:54:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RC51 vs. SuperHawk In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990927162321.00a29be0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Troutman wrote: > Ok...I need to understand the difference between the RC51 and the > SuperHawk. I would do this on usenet, but I would get flamed to the > end of the world. These are both v-twin 1000cc superbikes, right? > > Why didn't Honda just replace the SH with the RC51? Because they aren't "competing" machines. One is, in fact, a superbike - as in superbike racer. The other is a streetbike more akin to a VFR with a V-twin motor. The VFR was similar in that it, too, had general dimensions allowable in superbike racing. Of course, the new VFR is now too big in the motor dept. Neither the VTR nor the VFR were intended as top end race platforms. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 17:13:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16310 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA10163 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27846 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-52-71.s71.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.52.71]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05945 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000b01bf090c$67438900$37a1fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: Subject: Re: RC51 vs. SuperHawk Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:19:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Here is at least one thing Kirk and are probably on the same page/wavelength about. I know very little about the RC51, but as a former VTR owner/list member/fanatic I got to know that bike pretty well. The VTR, for me, was/is the ultimate street bike. The suspension is great, loads of mid range torque, (which allowed me to be a total lazy ass and exit corners briskly almost no matter what gear) comfortable, and relatively inexpensive. It is made to be an all around street sport bike, without the race track pedigree of an R1, but with a sharper edge than a VFR. The delivery of twin was so easy to ride . .. My impression of the RC51 is that it is taking the VTR platform to the next level, ie the track. While the VTR is a great street bike, it had proven to need loads of mods to hang with the best on the track. More power, brakes, suspension, frame. The RC has a lot of those mods right out of the box. I noticed it has inverted forks with full adjustability and probably a much better racing oriented shock than the VTR. The frame and swingarm are braced for the rigidity the VTR lacks at track speeds as well. I think (hope) the factories are hip to the fact that the best track bikes are not the best street bikes and vice-versa, and this is an example of specialization. I think the mods on the RC would never truly be needed on the street, and Honda is allowing street riders the opportunity to save $2000 that would be virtually wasted on an RC and get the VTR instead. Not that I'm that bright. I'd still get the RC even if I couldn't use the extra, but thats just cause I'm sort of a knucklehead. I hope to outgrow all this one day, get smart and buy a VFR, but till then . . . Jonathan Broga Century Pool Management 703.923.7946 x112 PS thought #2 - the VTR was not much of a platform for upgrading into a Superbike. It just wasn't a racing foundation. The RC should have the basic design and structure to be built into something that can hang with the R7's and Ducati's. We'll see. -----Original Message----- >Ok...I need to understand the difference between the RC51 and the >SuperHawk. I would do this on usenet, but I would get flamed to the end of >the world. These are both v-twin 1000cc superbikes, right? > >Why didn't Honda just replace the SH with the RC51? > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply > to serve as a warning to others. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 17:14:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16320 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA10166 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27908 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02501; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:14:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990927171214.00a26760@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:14:08 -0400 To: Kirk Roy From: Troutman Subject: Re: RC51 vs. SuperHawk Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990927162321.00a29be0@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:54 PM 9/27/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: >On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Troutman wrote: > > Ok...I need to understand the difference between the RC51 and the > > SuperHawk. I would do this on usenet, but I would get flamed to the > > end of the world. These are both v-twin 1000cc superbikes, right? > > > > Why didn't Honda just replace the SH with the RC51? > >Because they aren't "competing" machines. One is, in fact, a superbike - >as in superbike racer. The other is a streetbike more akin to a VFR with a >V-twin motor. The VFR was similar in that it, too, had general dimensions >allowable in superbike racing. Of course, the new VFR is now too big in >the motor dept. Neither the VTR nor the VFR were intended as top end race >platforms. Ok - but they have virtually identical engines. So you are saying the RC51 is the superbike racer version of the SuperHawk, just like the RC45 was the racer version of the VFR.... I guess that makes sense, considering that they won't be advertising the RC51 for general sale.....for a while anyway. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 17:45:59 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16933 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm10a-141.his.com [216.200.82.141]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23837 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990927173804.00911550@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:38:04 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Time for new rubber In-Reply-To: <37EF8A92.17094C23@pti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:17 AM 9/27/99 -0400, Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Any words of >advise? I used to race a FZR600. Get a set of used race DOT's from a FZR racer or one of the local bike shops. Perhaps 10-20% of the avaible traction has been cooked out of them, but they will have 90% of tread remaining. I can promise you that you will not be able to expose the 10-20% loss of traction riding on public streets. You should be able to get them for below $100. For that matter I've got a race take off D207 120/60 front you can have for $40. The ideal tire for that 3x17 rim is the 110/70, but you can shoe horn a 120 (it is really ment for a 3.5x17 rim) on there & it works fine. Unfortunally I have no 18 inch rears, but call around, I'm sure you can find some. Check the local sport bike shops, in addition to possibly having some rears, for a small charge they will even mount the tires for you. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 18:46:32 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17854 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-106-42.s42.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.106.42]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26967 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a801bf093a$5cf868c0$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990927162321.00a29be0@mail.wheatintl.com> <4.2.0.58.19990927171214.00a26760@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: RC51 vs. SuperHawk Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:47:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: Troutman wrote: > I guess that makes sense, considering that they won't be advertising the > RC51 for general sale.....for a while anyway. >From what I understand that is not a true statement. You can go down to your local Honda dealer and order one today (if they have any of their allotment left). I think you should get one Mike and bring it over so we can do some basic mods and then I could try it out! :) :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 19:45:38 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18696 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling2-119.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FIQ00D0GSN8Z8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:34:00 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Re: RC51 vs. SuperHawk/Both are Crap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501bf0959$ecc78020$772dbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <4.2.0.58.19990927162321.00a29be0@mail.wheatintl.com> <4.2.0.58.19990927171214.00a26760@XXXXXX> <00a801bf093a$5cf868c0$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> X-Priority: 3 Whoever does get one . . .just a warning - your probably gonna hafta change the front end, as it's probably too soft. I think a 92 GSXR600 front will probably fit. Next the motor is okay, but pretty anemic. It'd be best if the engineers woulda just chucked the whole airbox. The fuel injectors should be remapped too, as I'm sure they're prolly not as good as a local shop could get them. Pistons and new jugs will definately be the ticket as 130 hp's is for wanna-be's only. The rear shock is, of course, a complete joke and probably should'nt even be ridden on. Its sure it will chuck you in the nearest ditch first chance it gets. And these tires! Holy Crap these tires! First let all the air out of em. High pressure is for slugs. And the rims are way too heavy. Anything less than Maryacheesioni is flat out dangerous. You'll need risers, a corbin saddle from an 91 EX500, and color unobtanium-carbonite-flatulance matched fastners. Basically the bike is a mess as delivered, and will need some good ole Mericanizing to be made road worthy. Enjoy! Jonathan I think you should get one Mike and bring it over so we can do some > basic mods and then I could try it out! :) :) > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > Warrenton, VA > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 20:41:36 1999 Return-Path: mcycleracr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19376 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO nabe1re31009) (155.78.60.148) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 17:46:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001801bf0436$a90deb30$943c4e9b@nabe1re31009> From: "Brian McCoy" To: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" , References: <000b01bf090c$67438900$37a1fea9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: RC51 vs. SuperHawk Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:38:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Heh.. one step ahead of you there Jon.. going the other direction.. bought the VFR first, looking to find a dealer in AZ that'll take my deposit on the RC51 by phone.. most are gone, but.. ahh, the wonderfull SoCA is right next door.. there's BOUND to be a few over there (crashed, very early in the year)... *grin* Anyone wanna race? Brian McCoy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management >. I hope to outgrow all this one day, > get smart and buy a VFR, but till then . . . > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 20:44:44 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19454 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990928004710.16389.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:47:10 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Time for new rubber To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nelson, Since you do so much commuting but still want to get some fun out of the tires I'd recommend going with a medium compoud/dual compound type tire.... Not sure what Michelin or Bridgestone makes, but with Dunlop, the D205 is a good tire that should fit your needs. Or my personal preference would be to go with Avon Azarros. The way they are constructed, the carcus is firmer in the middle for mileage and soft and pliant on the outer edges...best of both worlds without resorting to a dual compound. I used them on my old GSXR and loved them and so far I think Brian McCoy has liked them on his VFR...They are also pretty good in the rain too. Collin ===== Collin T. 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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 21:13:31 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19882 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-106-42.s42.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.106.42]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12226 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012a01bf094e$e4c0c180$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: jetting help Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:14:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hello list wisdom, I bought Grant Heffernan's SV 650 with a full TBR exhaust system. He has put in a Dynojet stage 1 kit but the bikes performance is still pretty poor (kinda bogs down) in the last 1/4 turn of the throttle, especially at higher speeds. I need help in getting max performance out of the bike. I hope to race it next spring / summer. Do I have to take it to Fast Lanes or somewhere with a dyno or is this something I can fix myself with the right information or is this a trial and error type fix? Thanks in advance, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA p.s. The bike is a blast! It makes a perfect stablemate with my viffer. :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 21:39:15 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20212 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA13685 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:39:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: jetting help In-Reply-To: <012a01bf094e$e4c0c180$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > I bought Grant Heffernan's SV 650 with a full TBR exhaust system. He > has put in a Dynojet stage 1 kit but the bikes performance is still > pretty poor (kinda bogs down) in the last 1/4 turn of the throttle, > especially at higher speeds. Have you checked out the SV list yet? I'll bet they've got specific info. My own thought is that bogging is an indication of richness. Do you have a collection of main jets to try out? They would have their biggest effect past 3/4 throttle. Get some smaller ones. You might have to source these from dynojet as they (dynojet) use their own jets in their kits (not keihin or mikuni jets as in the Factory kits). Go down a size at a time until you get it right. Or, you could try opening things up more to lean it out (but then you may need to richen the pilot and needle). On the other hand the airbox on the SV could be well designed and no opening up might be possible. Again, I'd check what the SV listers are doing... > I hope to race it next spring / summer. Cool, good luck! > is this a trial and error type fix? Jetting is somewhat trial and error but if you're going to be racing you ought to learn to do it. There's a good tuning page at Factory's site. http://www.factorypro.com/tech/carbtun.html I also see that sudco is coming out with an SV FCR kit. Maybe save up another $1K (or more, who knows) and get that when it comes out! > '99 VFR > '99 SV So, is the DR gone? :( Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 21:46:33 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20330 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling2-119.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FIQ00E7IY8RSY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:34:55 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Re: jetting help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003c01bf096a$d0b269c0$772dbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <012a01bf094e$e4c0c180$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> X-Priority: 3 I can't speak for the TBR, as I have an M4 on my SV, but you might try reverting to stock jetting before going through the hassle and effort of taking it to a shop. I run stock jetting and have zero issues. The bike spends most of its time at 3/4 to 4/4 throttle and doesn't seem to having any breathing problems. I have heard, but cannot confirm, that the vacuum operated fuel pump can cause problems when wide open, but that is strictly heresay. I would revert to stock jetting and go from there. As far as shops go the predominant opinion I have heard is Fast Lane is good if you can get Rick to work on it, and Speedworks is good almost no matter what. (2 hour drive excluded) Try the SV list for more info, but don't expect it to be necessarily useful. subscribe: SV650-request@XXXXXX with: subscribe - in message body Jonathan Broga . I need help in getting max performance out of the bike. I hope to > race it next spring / summer. Do I have to take it to Fast Lanes or > somewhere with a dyno or is this something I can fix myself with the right > information or is this a trial and error type fix? > > Thanks in advance, > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 21:59:34 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20509 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-238.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FIQ00EADYUJUF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:01:46 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Time for new rubber Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <37F02188.D2911C8B@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <19990928004710.16389.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Collin. I had a pair of Azarros on my 89 ZX7. They stuck very well and gave good mileage, especially for being on such a heavy bike. Even did a track day toward the end of their life; rode at a pretty good clip and didn't have any complaints about the handling or traction. Very good tires. Randy Moran "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Or my personal preference would be to go with Avon Azarros. The way > they are constructed, the carcus is firmer in the middle for mileage > and soft and pliant on the outer edges...best of both worlds without > resorting to a dual compound. I used them on my old GSXR and loved > them and so far I think Brian McCoy has liked them on his VFR...They > are also pretty good in the rain too. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 21:59:41 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20519 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-106-42.s42.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.106.42]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07581 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014201bf0955$594f42a0$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: jetting help Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:01:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Kirk wrote: Snip... big time... > > So, is the DR gone? Nope! My wife thinks I should sell it, but I'm hoping to hold onto it until next summer and use it as a pit bike and hopefully she will see the use for it that way. (Not to mention the need for cross-training... yeah that's it crosstraining!) :) Wow, thanks for all the information. Yep, I guess I need to learn about tuning and needles and jets and all that stuff. I have been looking into the SV list a little and they have made some general suggestions, but nothing specific yet. My exhuast is producing a black "suitlike" residue in the end of the pipe, does this indicate rich or lean? Thanks for the suggestions. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR350 Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 22:13:43 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20753 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-105.patriot.net [209.249.180.105]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14528; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:13:38 -0400 Message-ID: <37F022EF.BEE74C4E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:07:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Thompson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: jetting help References: <014201bf0955$594f42a0$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're way rich from the bogging & sooty pipes description. Plugs are next - check the color. Tan is good - but my guess is they'll be black. Bill Danny Thompson wrote: > Kirk wrote: > > Snip... big time... > > > > So, is the DR gone? > > Nope! My wife thinks I should sell it, but I'm hoping to hold onto it until > next summer and use it as a pit bike and hopefully she will see the use for > it that way. (Not to mention the need for cross-training... yeah that's it > crosstraining!) :) > > Wow, thanks for all the information. Yep, I guess I need to learn about > tuning and needles and jets and all that stuff. I have been looking into the > SV list a little and they have made some general suggestions, but nothing > specific yet. My exhuast is producing a black "suitlike" residue in the end > of the pipe, does this indicate rich or lean? Thanks for the suggestions. > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > '93 DR350 > Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 27 22:17:50 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20816 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-106-42.s42.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.106.42]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17129 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <016a01bf0957$e1b7ff40$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <014201bf0955$594f42a0$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> <37F022EF.BEE74C4E@patriot.net> Subject: Re: jetting help Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:18:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 So, if I am rich, would an aftermarket (K&N or such) filter help? I will definitely check the plugs this weekend. Thanks Bill. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (for sale) Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Danny Thompson Cc: Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 10:07 PM Subject: Re: jetting help > You're way rich from the bogging & sooty pipes description. Plugs are next - > check the color. Tan is good - but my guess is they'll be black. > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 00:14:54 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22841 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id AAA20632 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:14:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Re: jetting help In-Reply-To: <016a01bf0957$e1b7ff40$2a6aaccf@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > So, if I am rich, would an aftermarket (K&N or such) filter help? I will > definitely check the plugs this weekend. Thanks Bill. That will help, but more than likely you'll have to go to smaller jets (or the stock ones as Jon said). The exhaust should be gray (not white, not black). If experience counts, I'd go with Jon's suggestion - I've seen him and his SV at Summit kicking everyone's ass (including mine). He *walked* away from my 70hp fzr at the start, and I was gridded right with him... I even thought I got a pretty good launch. I'd say there aren't any issues with jetting on his bike. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 09:08:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01554 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:08:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199909280908.AA118882740@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Time for new rubber X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jordan, Michael" > >Tires are so much better than they used to be. > >Michael J. ---------------- Yeah, I really like the new kind with air instead of solid rubber. :-) Chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 09:29:15 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01834 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567FA.004A1495 ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:29:09 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567FA.0049D489.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:29:04 -0400 Subject: RE: Time for new rubber Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>Yeah, I really like the new kind with air instead of solid rubber.<< Oh you mean they use air. Damn, I've been stuffing them with sand. Takes forever to fill them through that little filler hole. ;-) Steve From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 10:00:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02244 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA13370; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:59:29 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002128; Tue, 28 Sep 99 09:45:57 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIR00GKIVQ4QE@XXXXXX>; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567FA.004B7F2E ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:44:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:44:06 -0400 Subject: Re: RC51 vs. SuperHawk To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Troutman Message-id: <852567FA.004B7C88.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Mike (and anyone else who's listening), I'd echo what Jonathan and Kirk are saying. The VTR is an amazing road bike, and it was designed as that and only that. It was never designed to be raced. Several features of the bike are testament to this - the soft suspension, the pivotless frame (especially this), and the midrange-based powerband among other things. The pivotless frame (engine serves as part of the frame and as the swingarm pivot) is designed to sacrifice balls-to-the-wall handling for suppleness. This is a more desirable trait for a streetbike, and one that I wouldn't trade away on my bike. The statement that the engines are virtually identical is false. The 30hp difference alone should tell you that. This engine is designed with racing as it's principal focus, and the bike as a whole will be much more hard and single-focused than the VTR ever could be. The only real similarities I see between the bikes is the general engine type. The RC51 is a brand new bike with a completely different purpose, and Honda will rightfully retain the VTR for that reason. On a personal note, I wouldn't buy the RC51. I'm not that good a rider that the strengths of that bike would make me any faster. I'm still the weak link in my riding. For me and my experience and budget, I would buy another VTR tomorrow if given the choice. There wouldn't be any justification to spend the extra $2-3000 for a bike I find less attractive than the VTR and one I couldn't even begin to use to it's potential. I'm still a long way from encountering the weaknesses of the VTR, for God's sake! :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Honda are saying that the RC51 will be arriving in March, I believe. CBR929 in April, IIRC. p.p.s. Consider the RC51 great news if you're looking to buy a VTR. It will lower even further the cost of a bike that is already one of the all-time best deals in motorcycling. Mike Troutman wrote: Ok - but they have virtually identical engines. So you are saying the RC51 is the superbike racer version of the SuperHawk, just like the RC45 was the racer version of the VFR.... I guess that makes sense, considering that they won't be advertising the RC51 for general sale.....for a while anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 12:00:29 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03936 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:53:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Brake Fluid Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:53:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain While playing with the front calipers, I managed to spill a non-trivial amount of DOT 4 brake fluid on my tires. Is it gonna kill me? Will water wash it off? Just curious, but it'd make me feel real stupid if I did crash. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 13:08:29 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04943 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id NAA20832; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F0F450.7F98E697@pti.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:01:04 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: jetting help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan If it is jets you need I have a fair collection from my wrenching days. You are more than welcome to them, just return the ones you don't use. I don't have any adjustable needles but but if midrange is good and the top end is flat you might want to drop the main jets a size and raise the needle ( a little washer should do the trick) I live in Gainesville and work in Crystal City, so if you want them call me and we can get together. Good Luck Nelson Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > > I bought Grant Heffernan's SV 650 with a full TBR exhaust system. He > > has put in a Dynojet stage 1 kit but the bikes performance is still > > pretty poor (kinda bogs down) in the last 1/4 turn of the throttle, > > especially at higher speeds. > > Have you checked out the SV list yet? I'll bet they've got specific info. > > My own thought is that bogging is an indication of richness. Do you have a > collection of main jets to try out? They would have their biggest effect > past 3/4 throttle. Get some smaller ones. You might have to source these > from dynojet as they (dynojet) use their own jets in their kits (not > keihin or mikuni jets as in the Factory kits). Go down a size at a time > until you get it right. Or, you could try opening things up more to lean > it out (but then you may need to richen the pilot and needle). On the > other hand the airbox on the SV could be well designed and no opening up > might be possible. Again, I'd check what the SV listers are doing... > > > I hope to race it next spring / summer. > > Cool, good luck! > > > is this a trial and error type fix? > > Jetting is somewhat trial and error but if you're going to be racing you > ought to learn to do it. There's a good tuning page at Factory's site. > http://www.factorypro.com/tech/carbtun.html > > I also see that sudco is coming out with an SV FCR kit. Maybe save up > another $1K (or more, who knows) and get that when it comes out! > > > '99 VFR > > '99 SV > > So, is the DR gone? :( > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > 1984 Honda XR350 -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 13:14:41 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f126.hotmail.com [209.185.131.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05032 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32110 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 1999 17:14:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928171407.32108.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.8.158.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:14:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.8.158.125] From: "Karl Mueller" To: mark.petty@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Fluid Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:14:07 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I managed to spill a non-trivial >amount of DOT 4 brake fluid on my tires. > >Is it gonna kill me? Will water wash it off? > Nah, soap and water will take it off.. it may not even hurt the tires at all (depending on the rubber compound, notice that most brake lines are rubber). --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 13:37:48 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05396 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA31406 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:37:31 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990928132726.006ba6b0@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:27:26 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Time for new rubber In-Reply-To: <199909280908.AA118882740@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:08 AM 9/28/99 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Jordan, Michael" >> >>Tires are so much better than they used to be. > >> >>Michael J. >---------------- > >Yeah, I really like the new kind with air instead of solid rubber. > >:-) >Chris > Well, I don't know about that. I NEVER had a flat tire on solid rubber tires . > > ITW, Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 13:54:33 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05617 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:54:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199909281354.AA117834286@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Why the helmet? X-Mailer: Why the helmet? http://www.t5net.com/upload/MOZZIE.jpg :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 14:14:56 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05964 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id OAA03480 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F103EF.73891ED7@pti.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:07:43 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Time for new rubber References: <37EF8A92.17094C23@pti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for all the input, I think I will be going with the Bridgestones (thanks Jon). As Jon said the problem is the rear 18" tire. There are very few options that fit the FZR. I have found them at NWcycle.com for $218 shipped. I will look around a little more to see if I can find a better price online but it is unlikely, and surely better than any shop. Now what is all this talk about some on the list owning a tire mounted? I would like to get in on this or at least pay to use it, better the list than a shop. What about balancing, does it balance as well? If not there is a new shop that just opened in Front Royal that has a high speed balancer. The owner (one of them) was a real nice guy who said he got tiered of there not being any shops open late or on weekends so him and a few friends opened one. I sure they could use the business. There price for on the bike replacement was $40 front and rear mounted and balanced, $10 each off the bike. The shops name is Stonewall Cycle (540-631-7544) and it is on Stonewall St. and what ever the main drag is in Front Royal. A good place to keep in mind if you are looking for a must have on weekends when they other shops are closed. Also a good place to kill some time and get off the bike for a few minutes. Thanks again everyone Nelson -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 15:38:07 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07207 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:54:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199909281554.AA229376272@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" CC: Subject: FWD: MSF courses [NON-COG] X-Mailer: Some interesting questions about the MSF courses - I know there are a couple of MSF instructors here on DC-Cycles. Also, please cc: any replys to Kevin at Kevin.Cummings@XXXXXX if you would. Thanks, Horkster ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Cummings, Kevin C" Reply-To: Kevin.Cummings@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:23:18 -0700 Hey everybody! I labeled this as non-COG, mostly because it is some questions I have concerning MSF courses, and their intent, as opposed to anything specifically doing with the Concours. Okay. I recommended to a friend of mine that she take the MSF beginning rider course, as she seems very interested in riding in general, but also in doing it on her own. She signed up, was a bundle of nerves, etc., etc. On the Saturday she was supposed to be taking it, she called me about 11:30 in the morning, nearly in tears. She had been asked to leave by the instructor, because "she could not keep up". Okay, she has not ever ridden a motorcycle, and has only recently been riding behind me occasionally. She is a little short, as well. As she described it, the class of 12 people consisted of 9 people who had ridden before (some rode their bikes to the class) and 3 newbies (including her). She got a bike at the class that was low enough for her. They were doing an exercise where someone pushes the bike (in neutral) in a straight line, and then lets go, and the rider has to brake to a controlled stop. She dropped the bike (gently) about half the time (apparently 3 out of 6 tries). According to her, no damage, either to the bike or to her. The exercise was being done on a non-level parking lot (just how non-level I am not sure, but some of the lots there [I am familiar with them] are rather slanted). My questions are this : Shouldn't one of the 3 instructors there have tried a little one-on-one to see what she was doing wrong (if anything), and helped her correct it? And are the classes on that tight of a schedule, such that you have to keep up, or get asked to leave? Wouldn't you expect a beginning class to be on a (nearly, at least) level surface (at least to start)? Some of the lots down there are pretty good, but she indicated it was slanted by at least 10-15 degrees. Anyway, she is now scheduled to take an individual course with a local organization called Iron Horses, who provide one-on-one classes (for quite a bit more). Also, she could NOT get a refund for her MSF course. Knowing that they are probably handled differently from state to state, I am just curious as to how other MSF instructors would have handled it. I have taken the ERC several times (twice down where her course was being given), and am at least familiar with how it is run. But I do think she got a bit shafted, and nowhere near enough attention to possibly correct a very minor problem. Then again, maybe she really should not be riding, but I will know more after this Friday. Just wondering................. Kevin Cummings COG #1571 St.Louis, MO From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 15:39:43 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07229 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 28 Sep 1999 22:35:40 UT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:38 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "cnorloff@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Why the helmet? Message-ID: <19990928154055288-60c71ca@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL!! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Why the helmet? Author: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: 09/28/1999 1:54 PM Why the helmet? http://www.t5net.com/upload/MOZZIE.jpg :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 16:30:09 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07995 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Tue Sep 28 13:31:07 1999 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B290D@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Need to transport a bike Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:27:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is there anyone on the list that would be willing and able to transport a bike from Brandywine, MD to Gaithersburg? I will certainly pay for consumables used for the trip as well as provide compensation in the preferred form as specified by the person with the transportation. For the record, I need to bring my 1982 KZ1100 back from a friend's house where it has been stored for a while. It needs to be dropped off either at my house or at CAD in Gaithersburg as the carbs are pretty gunked up and one of the brake calipers is sticking. If anyone can do this, please respond directly to me here and at my home e-mail account: perry@XXXXXX If you include your phone number, I'll call you back. Otherwise, I'll e-mail you my phone number. Thanks in advance! Perry From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 17:19:58 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08626 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-131.patriot.net [209.249.180.131]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06778; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:19:48 -0400 Message-ID: <37F12F8E.68DD4169@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:13:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles , Kevin.Cummings@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FWD: MSF courses [NON-COG] References: <199909281554.AA229376272@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Bill Please note that I reply from my experiance and not in any official capacity with MSF. I am a Ridercourse instructor. The course itself is to teach rider skills that are lacking in riders involved in accidents as well as the basic skill of riding the motorcycle. The course, both classroom and range, is very basic and assumes none of the novices know a thing about a motorcycle. Example: Right hand - throttle - roll on/rolloff - front brake - squeeezzze. And so on. The range: Is the world flat? Ranges vary. The old Alex range has a wee slope on one side, the new one is going to be more spacious and level. Loudin is fairly level. Germana is quite unlevel. I don't see any of them as presenting a *problem* to a novice. As instructors we also have an enormous responsibilty - to keep someone from hurting themselves, during the course and hopefuly after the course. So yes, a novice could be asked to leave if a particular instructor thought them to be a danger to themselves. I've taught 4 courses this summer and not one novice was asked to step down. A few decided they were in over thier head and tossed in the helmet, so to speak. How would I have handled a novice who had the droppsies? I've had a few of those, like one Miss who dropped it on exercise one - mount and dismount. Time to dust thier butt off and put them back on the bike. Smile and whisper a few words of encouragement, because the best part is yet to come. I love to it *click* - that big-ass smile when they know they have it firgured out. I'll stand in the turn exit to get them to turn thier head. I'll cheer like an idiot when they get it right. At the end of two days my feet hurt and I'm horse from yelling LOOK THRU THE TURN! At the end of two days I get my reward - handing a completion card to novice who damn near wet thier pants in fright the first time the bike got rolling and they put thier feet on the pegs. So maybe she got busted out prematurely, or maybe she didn't. That's a judgement call that can only be made by the instructor. Altought the goal of the course is to teach the mental and physical skills required to ride on the street, safety comes first. Bill Horkster wrote: > Some interesting questions about the MSF courses - > I know there are a couple of MSF instructors > here on DC-Cycles. Also, please cc: any replys to Kevin at > Kevin.Cummings@XXXXXX if you would. > > Thanks, > Horkster > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Cummings, Kevin C" > Reply-To: Kevin.Cummings@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:23:18 -0700 > > Hey everybody! > > I labeled this as non-COG, mostly because it is some questions I have > concerning MSF courses, and their intent, as opposed to anything > specifically doing with the Concours. > > Okay. I recommended to a friend of mine that she take the MSF beginning > rider course, as she seems very interested in riding in general, but also in > doing it on her own. She signed up, was a bundle of nerves, etc., etc. On > the Saturday she was supposed to be taking it, she called me about 11:30 in > the morning, nearly in tears. She had been asked to leave by the instructor, > because "she could not keep up". Okay, she has not ever ridden a motorcycle, > and has only recently been riding behind me occasionally. She is a little > short, as well. As she described it, the class of 12 people consisted of 9 > people who had ridden before (some rode their bikes to the class) and 3 > newbies (including her). She got a bike at the class that was low enough for > her. They were doing an exercise where someone pushes the bike (in neutral) > in a straight line, and then lets go, and the rider has to brake to a > controlled stop. She dropped the bike (gently) about half the time > (apparently 3 out of 6 tries). According to her, no damage, either to the > bike or to her. The exercise was being done on a non-level parking lot (just > how non-level I am not sure, but some of the lots there [I am familiar with > them] are rather slanted). > My questions are this : > Shouldn't one of the 3 instructors there have tried a little one-on-one to > see what she was doing wrong (if anything), and helped her correct it? > And are the classes on that tight of a schedule, such that you have to keep > up, or get asked to leave? > Wouldn't you expect a beginning class to be on a (nearly, at least) level > surface (at least to start)? Some of the lots down there are pretty good, > but she indicated it was slanted by at least 10-15 degrees. > > Anyway, she is now scheduled to take an individual course with a local > organization called Iron Horses, who provide one-on-one classes (for quite a > bit more). Also, she could NOT get a refund for her MSF course. Knowing that > they are probably handled differently from state to state, I am just curious > as to how other MSF instructors would have handled it. I have taken the ERC > several times (twice down where her course was being given), and am at least > familiar with how it is run. But I do think she got a bit shafted, and > nowhere near enough attention to possibly correct a very minor problem. Then > again, maybe she really should not be riding, but I will know more after > this Friday. Just wondering................. > > Kevin Cummings > COG #1571 > St.Louis, MO From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 17:45:15 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09034 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-165.s165.tnt1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.165]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01819; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004301bf09fa$febc71e0$a54daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" , "Nelson Fernandez" Subject: Re: Time for new rubber Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:46:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey Nelson, You might want to checkout Chaparral for tires. They list the 110/70ZR17 at $71.97 and the 150/60ZR18 at $87.97. I haven't order tires for my FZR yet so I don't know how much shipping is? Brian N 96 Yamaha FZR600 >NWcycle.com for $218 shipped. >-- >Nelson Fernandez From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 17:46:28 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09044 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-165.s165.tnt1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.165]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02382; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004c01bf09fb$29fab240$a54daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "Nelson Fernandez" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Time for new rubber Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:48:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Website is at http://www.chaparral-racing.com/catalog.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 22:32:24 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA12995 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990929023425.28103.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:34:25 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:34:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: time for new rubber To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chaparral charges $6/tire for shipping as do most mail orders.... Nothing but good experiences when I was ordering dunlops from them every other month there for a while (till I discovered the Avons :) but they don't carry avon :( ...) Avoid M.A.W. like the plague though... they are the Coleman Powersports of mail order... maybe even worse! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 22:46:09 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA13204 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990929024708.6498.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.193] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:47:08 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:47:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: time for new rubber To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Avoid M.A.W. like the plague though... they are the > Coleman Powersports > of mail order... maybe even worse! I think worse. They flat out lie to you about availability just to make the sale (in my ONE experience with them anyway). -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 28 23:03:14 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13452 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990929030700.25920.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:07:00 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: time for new rubber To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL.. same experience here among many others... as well as that of lots of other folks. Then again, Coleman's does the same thing! :) Their used to be a harley guy with a web page with literally hundreds of testimonials of bad service. But last time I came across his page the MAW bashing was gone :( CT --- Tom Gimer wrote: > I think worse. They flat out lie to you about > availability just to make the sale (in my ONE > experience with them anyway). > ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 01:15:47 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16000 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990929051532.9353.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.252] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:15:32 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Advise.... To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, "'dc'" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Post the story all over the internet, let some squid bust all his windows out. he won't be too happy finding a buyer after that. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > ... today I had a Red Toyota > Corrolla license plate # GJW-020 with for-sale signs in beoth the > front and rear windows pratically run me over from behind > (I'moverly cautious about this since I was hit on Powdermill not 7 > months ago) - he was weaving all over the road, and about a foot > off my rear tire.. ... So, I feel that my life (er, ok.. just > limbs) was fairly endangered, as was those of others driving on the > road.. call the cops? Or just let the situation go ... > ------------------ > The cops won't do anything about it unless they see it. If there's > a particularly bad area you might ask the police for more patrols > there, in hopes they'll see this sort of thing and do something > about it. > > Some municipalities (Fairfax County maybe?) has a > turn-in-a-bad-driver program where they'll send a letter to the > miscreant noting what they were observed doing. This can certainly > help if the owner is not the driver. > > Other than just getting the hell out of the way, all I've come up > with is to videotape the activity then take them to civil court. > But I've never met anyone who thought that was a workable idea. > > -- > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '89 BMW K100LT <--------- FOR SALE > '82 Honda CB750F > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > -- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 02:06:40 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17586 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990929060640.22403.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.252] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:06:40 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:06:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Roadrage/Insurance To: James Hoofnagle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Come to think about it, maybe with the tag info you could go to the DMV and find out the guy's insurance info and have a talk with them..Maybe it's worth a try taht they'll take a notorized statement and qualify that as a ticket. Then in turn the person may drive with more sanity in the future.. worth a shot? --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > The only problem with getting the digest (digested) version of > this list > is that all my posts are a day late :(. Oh, well. Anyway, as far > as the > road rage issue I'm all for getting up in the guys face in so far > as you > can A; maintain your own cool in a situation that could decend > into > nothing more than a couple of people screaming various obscenities > at each > other. And B; you have the physical ability to deal with the > worst. > Insurance wise check out the place across for Coleman Powersport > (booo-hisss) in Falls Church. My '96 GPz 1100 was only $600 bucks > the > first year with one ticket. And it went down the next year with 2. > Doh. > And lastly, anybody want to meet somewhere specific to go harvest > bugs > tomorrow? > > James > E-TKT > See Ya' > James > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 02:22:16 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17807 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990929062216.23767.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.252] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:22:16 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Someone tried to steal my bike To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was talking to a cop last week, and he said he had a zx9 stolen, he moved from cheverly to anne arrundel county, and one morning he came home for 2 hours, leaving his bike out front went back out and it was stolen.. Apparently thieves don't mind taken the day shift, guess they don't have jobs anyway. --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > Usually when I leave my motorcycle at my apartment, I lock it, with > a thick > kryponite cable wrapped around a fence post, and locked to the rear > wheel with > a kryponite disk lock. Then I cover it. Today, since I was just > running in > for about an hour to grab lunch, I just put the kryponite lock on > the front > wheel (the way I lock it when at work or out on the road > somewhere). > > When I came out after lunch, I noticed the lock was raised. > Usually I leave it > hanging down. Then I couldn't insert the key into the lock. It > was a barrel > type lock, and somehow the inner part was turned about 1/8 of the > way. The way > the lock is, you can't take the key out until it is locked. So the > reverse was > true, I couldn't get the key into the lock at all. After talking > to the folks > at Cycle Sports (where I bought the lock 4 years ago) and taking a > closer look > at the key, I brought it (the key) to a locksmith. He filed down > the tab on > the outside of the barrel. I was then able to insert the key into > the > kryponite lock and unlock it. Whew! Heck of a lot cheaper than > having to have > someone come out with a blow torch or something! > > When I got on the bike later, I also noticed the left mirror was > out of wack. > > Now maybe I somehow messed the lock up, but it's pretty hard to do, > and I've > been using the lock for 4 years, I doubt I'd suddenly do something > that breaks > it. When I talked to the security guy at my apartment, he said > since nothing > was stolen or damaged (excuse me? I had to buy a new lock cuz I > can't trust > the other one any more) he couldn't take a report, and the police > wouldn't be > interested either. He did say he would keep a closer eye on it. > But security > is only on duty 5 pm to 9 am. They only drive around once in a > while. And > this happened around noon! > > Tonight, besides my regular lock setup, I also have a chain linking > the tire to > the fence. Meanwhile, thank goodness for Kryptonite. > > Louis > > > ===== > Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA > 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 > "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton > http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 02:27:47 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17924 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990929064409.17879.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.252] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:44:09 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Idiot on a Blue ZX-9R To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't let incidents like this get to you guys.. sometimes there are plausible explainations.. maybe the guy didn't hear him, or felt intimidated (begining rider maybe), or thought he was talking to you.. or maybe the bike was stolen.. yeah theives do put money into stolen bikes, they're not geniuses you know.. Or maybe he was late and the wheelie was an accident :) hehe --- Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > I went to Pete's Cycle in Severna park, Md. for their "open house". > Very > depressing. The biggest deal was a 9,000 price on a 99 ZX-9R which > is what I > paid for a 98 in March of 98 when it was a new model. Some dealers > just > don't get it. The clearance tables had real junk on them. > > Saw my friend Mike there, a former racer in late his 40s early 50s > who rides > a BMW dual sport type bike. Rides it very fast and well. I had > ridden up on > my blue ZX-9R. I noticed another blue ZX-9R, very clean, with > about 1 and a > half inches of chicken stripe. While I was standing outside with > my friend > Mike looking at his Bimmer, the owner of the other ZX-9R (parked > next to the > Bimmer) comes out with a few items he had bought. Mike, being the > friendly > guy he is, makes some friendly comment to this younger guy in > shorts who > doesn't give him the time of day. The guy gets on the bike and > pulls out of > the parking lot. He gets on the main road and does a pitifully > wimpy > wheelie, to impress the audience. > > Morals of the story: > > 1. Just because a guy has a Bimmer don't believe that a ZX-9R, R1 > etc. will > go faster with you on it. > 2. To mildly impress you have to go through at least 2 gears on > one wheel, > preferably 3. > 3. When another rider tries to strike up a conversation, don't act > like an > asshole. > > Jeesh, the guy pissed me off. After trying to convince Mike for > years that > most Japanese sportbike owners are ok, this guy blows it. LOL > > Don't think the guy is on the list, wish he was. I'd love to take > him out on > ride with Mike and a few other riding acquaintances, you know who > you are. > > Ciao, > > Fred > Blue ZX-9R and ashamed. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 02:29:40 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17934 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990929064613.16527.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.252] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:46:13 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:46:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Someone tried to steal my bike To: Todd Peer , "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We have thieves on the email list? --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > > > > Usually when I leave my motorcycle at my apartment, I lock it, > > with a thick > > kryponite cable wrapped around a fence post, and locked to the > > rear wheel with > > a kryponite disk lock. Then I cover it. Today, since I was just > > running in > > for about an hour to grab lunch, I just put the kryponite lock on > > the front > > wheel (the way I lock it when at work or out on the road > somewhere). > > > > When I came out after lunch, I noticed the lock was raised. > > Usually I leave it > > hanging down. Then I couldn't insert the key into the lock. It > > was a barrel > > type lock, and somehow the inner part was turned about 1/8 of the > > way. > > Pr'olly after that Day Long....hmmmmm > > > > > When I got on the bike later, I also noticed the left mirror was > > out of wack. > > Checkin the hair? Poppin a zit? who knows... > > > > > Now maybe I somehow messed the lock up, but it's pretty hard to > > do, and I've > > > > > Tonight, besides my regular lock setup, I also have a chain > > linking the tire to > > the fence. Meanwhile, thank goodness for Kryptonite. > > > > Louis > > > Tx goodness indeed Lou. GODDDAMnIT! I've never had a bike > stolen, and I > just can't imagine it. I'm glad you still have your ride. TO ALL > THEIVES > ON DC-CYCLES.... FUCK YOU!.... > > > Todd > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 07:36:38 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22365 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA29867; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA20288; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:35:46 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F303B@VAE820PO01> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" , "'dthompso1@XXXXXX'" Subject: could be lean Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:35:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain >From what I understand, bogging can be a symptom of lean-ness too. But you won't *know* until you do some plug readings. I wouldn't throw out the jet kit with the bath water, though. If it's just 3/4 to WFO that's giving you headaches, then it is the size of the main jet that will fix it. Get her good and warmed up, pull over somewhere and put in *new* plugs, and then ride it full throttle for as long as your huevos and license can stand it (a friend of mine has a favorite steep hill that he uses for this purpose). That way, when you take the plugs out to check the color, you are only seeing the effects of main jet size. Look at it this way: it'll be a great bonding experience between you and your bike. :) Scientia est Potentia (quite literally, in this case) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: jetting help Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:14:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hello list wisdom, I bought Grant Heffernan's SV 650 with a full TBR exhaust system. He has put in a Dynojet stage 1 kit but the bikes performance is still pretty poor (kinda bogs down) in the last 1/4 turn of the throttle, especially at higher speeds. I need help in getting max performance out of the bike. I hope to race it next spring / summer. Do I have to take it to Fast Lanes or somewhere with a dyno or is this something I can fix myself with the right information or is this a trial and error type fix? Thanks in advance, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA p.s. The bike is a blast! It makes a perfect stablemate with my viffer. :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 08:01:50 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22657 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:01:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199909290801.AA67896014@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC Cycles" CC: Subject: Re: FWD: MSF courses [NON-COG] X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Cummings, Kevin C" ...She had been asked to leave by the instructor, because "she could not keep up". Okay, she has not ever ridden a motorcycle, and has only recently been riding behind me occasionally. She is a little short, as well. As she described it, the class of 12 people consisted of 9 people who had ridden before (some rode their bikes to the class) and 3 newbies (including her). She got a bike at the class that was low enough for her. They were doing an exercise where someone pushes the bike (in neutral) in a straight line, and then lets go, and the rider has to brake to a controlled stop. She dropped the bike (gently) about half the time (apparently 3 out of 6 tries). ------------------- I taught for 6 years, and ran the training center for 3 of those years. In my experience, anyone who cannot keep the motorcycle from falling over while merely coasting is unlikely to be able to keep the motorcycle from falling over while doing the more complex exercises later on. Personally, I would have given her a lot of one-on-one instruction, but if she couldn't reliably balance the motorcycle when just coasting, I would have had to ask her to leave (and practice on a bicycle and come back). Yes, with 3 instructors and only 12 students, there should have been one "spare" instructor. Certainly if 9 students were experienced, that would have helped free-up an instructor. However, it may have been an instructor in training, or the "extra" instructor may have in fact been an observer (who is not, then, a "spare"). My recommendation to your friend is to get on a bicycle and get some two-wheeled time. Once she polishes up her skills in keeping a 2-wheeler balanced, then she should re-take the MSF course. Since she was asked to leave, she should be allowed to re-take the course for free (that's what they do, rather than deal with refunding money). best, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 08:57:26 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24151 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id IAA21669; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F20AF3.4CBA39EB@pti.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:49:56 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: time for new rubber References: <19990929023425.28103.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks a bunch guys, the more I save the less dirty looks I get from Pammy (wife). ;] Coleman has been getting my riding gear business just because of their inventory. I hate to by gear on line and not get a chance to try it on first. Is there anyone else in town that has a decent inventory. I went by Power Sports in Herndon but found there selection to be limited. Thanks again Nelson "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: --Snip--- > Chaparral charges $6/tire for shipping as do most mail orders.... --Snip-- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 12:41:14 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27314 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990929164342.24290.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:43:42 PDT Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:43:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: time for new rubber To: Nelson Fernandez Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, some may say it isn't the most ethical thing to do, but I generally go by Coleman's to try things on then order online. However, when asked by the folks working there, I tell them exactly what I'm doing and tell them that I'd be happy to buy from them if they'd at least get in the ball park with some of the mail order (and they are big enough of a shop that they have the turn over to be able to do that) But of course we know they won't so I say thanks and leave. I then order from Duane Griffith of Dixie Cycles (318) 368-3100. I haven't found anyone beating his prices and when talking to some friends who work at shops, most of his prices are barely over cost. Tell him that me, Brian McCoy, or DC-Cycles Racing sent you and he'll take extra special care of you. Collin ps: I'm not sponsored by him per se, but his prices are sow low I consider myself as sponsored :) --- Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Thanks a bunch guys, the more I save the less dirty looks I get from > Pammy > (wife). ;] > Coleman has been getting my riding gear business just because of > their > inventory. I hate to by gear on line and not get a chance to try it > on > first. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 15:28:34 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29963 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net ([209.249.180.109]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA17675; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:24:40 -0400 Message-ID: <37F265EC.BD6A3170@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:18:04 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nelson Fernandez CC: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: time for new rubber References: <19990929023425.28103.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> <37F20AF3.4CBA39EB@pti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'll probably *hate* this idea - but try a H-D shop for riding gear. Whitts (Manasass), East Coast (MD) and Patriot (Fairfax) have large inventorys. Contrary to popular belief, the prices are quite reasonable when compared to other retail M/C stores. And damn cheap compared to *some* retail stores. You can pick up something cute for the wife too. Us H-D guys are are into the Biker Chick look. :-) Bill Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Thanks a bunch guys, the more I save the less dirty looks I get from Pammy > (wife). ;] > Coleman has been getting my riding gear business just because of their > inventory. I hate to by gear on line and not get a chance to try it on > first. Is there anyone else in town that has a decent inventory. I went > by Power Sports in Herndon but found there selection to be limited. > > Thanks again > Nelson > > "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > --Snip--- > > > Chaparral charges $6/tire for shipping as do most mail orders.... > > --Snip-- > > Nelson Fernandez > Network Administrator > Production Technology, Inc. > 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 > Arlington, VA 22202 > Phone 703.271.9055 > Fax 703.271.9059 > www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 15:58:15 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00584 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rBDVa05746 (4529); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:55:49 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Someone tried to steal my bike To: itm_2k@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 9/29/99 2:34:08 AM, itm_2k@XXXXXX writes: >We have thieves on the email list? it wouldn't surprise me if there are some lurking - after all, what better way to find out what bikes are where??? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 18:54:07 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03389 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0218.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.250]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA18611 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F2C4C5.48CF@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:02:45 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Several Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys and Gals, Did anyone else buy raffle tickets to the Mid-Atlantic Motorcyle Policeman Riding Committee's recent Sportster raffle? Their drawing was held last Saturday when I was in WVA somewhere and I need to know how to find out what ticket number won. Another question: I want to put a BMW type socket plug for my electric vest on my VFR. Can Morton's provide me with this or should I go elsewhere (cheaper) ? And what about coiled (stretchy) type wiring? Where can I get that at? (OK, that was two questions :) TIA, JK (D-mode) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 19:17:50 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03795 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA05733 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Several Questions In-Reply-To: <37F2C4C5.48CF@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, John C. Kozyn wrote: > Another question: I want to put a BMW type socket plug for my electric > vest on my VFR. Can Morton's provide me with this or should I go > elsewhere (cheaper) ? Go to your friendly neighborhood John Deere dealer (guess where I got that info from). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 20:06:58 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04500 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.129.197]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:51:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Several Questions Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:55:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bf0ad6$17214a40$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <37F2C4C5.48CF@mnsinc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Morton's can provide it, but if you have a *knowledgable* John Deere dealer, they should have the sockets in stock. My John Deere dealer is an idiot, so I go over the river to Morton's (yes, even given the part no., the morons at JD couldn't find the part.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Another question: I want to put a BMW type socket plug for my electric > vest on my VFR. Can Morton's provide me with this or should I go > elsewhere (cheaper) ? And what about coiled (stretchy) type wiring? > Where can I get that at? (OK, that was two questions :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 29 23:25:13 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08228 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-167.patriot.net [209.249.180.167]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA29647 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:25:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37F2D6A7.1C7D70CE@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:19:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What a bugger-bear... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having had many bikes, almost all of which required help for the Fade-Very-Quickly shocks, I must have swapped out a half dozen shocks in my day. wrench - wrench - slam - bang, time to go riding! Maybe a half hour if I was sipping coffee a lot. Close to a lazy hour for the S&W air shocks which required neat hose routing and a guage mounting. Then I gotta Harley. Quick release bags so flip - flip, bags be gone. wrench - wrench - wrencchhh - WRENCH!!! What da hell ??? Lemme tell you, cycle fans, the top mount on a Harley FLH bike was designed by a loony tune, a sadist, and S&M master. It bolts in thru a threaded sleeve from inside the fender. But the sleeve/bolt on the outside goes thru the shock, a tube in the frame, the back rack, and the fender. Altought loose, as in unbolted, the damn thing required tricky forceful prying and a lotta persuasion from fellow mechanics - Jesus H Christ and Goddammitt All To Hell. Installation time. Oh joy. Try sliding that wierd-ass internally threaded bolt thru the shock, the various washers and spacers, the frame tube, the back rack, and the fender. AAARRRGGHHHH !!! Did I happen to mention that the official H-D factory manual and parts manual doesn't even come close to matching the assembly as it exists in real life? I'm a manual freak and have aquired tons of manuals on most every vehicle I've ever owned. The H-D manual is by far and away the cheesiest, lamest, most worthless waste of a tree in existance. I'm done. Back to the shock wars tommorrow. I need a bigger hammer. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 07:29:39 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15753 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28932 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: MD Police/Nitrous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At the recent Ride 4 Kids event, I found myself poking rather closely around a MD state trooper's bike. I notices an NoX bottle on it. Is this normal? Is nitrous a standard part of the H-D police package or was this bike an anomaly? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 08:02:33 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16153 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:02:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199909300802.AA84541884@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: RE: Someone tried to steal my bike X-Mailer: >In a message dated 9/29/99 2:34:08 AM, itm_2k@XXXXXX writes: >>We have thieves on the email list? > >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX >it wouldn't surprise me if there are some lurking - after all, what >better way to find out what bikes are where??? I rode with a guy last weekend who said they started using nicknames on the Indian list, because thieves were targeting list members. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 08:03:16 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16163 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21882; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:03:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:57:01 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MD Police/Nitrous References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Under the tail trunk, right? About a pint or slightly larger canister.Not nitrious. It's an air reservior for the air suspension saddle. Bill `93 FLHS Morris Berman wrote: > At the recent Ride 4 Kids event, I found myself poking rather closely > around a MD state trooper's bike. I notices an NoX bottle on it. > Is this normal? Is nitrous a standard part of the H-D police package or > was this bike an anomaly? > > -Mb > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 08:35:41 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16640 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FIV009AAHMJTX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:35:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA15984 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990930123506.JHFV8982@toddnt> for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:35:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:32:20 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Socket.. Was: Several Questions In-reply-to: To: dc-cycles Message-id: <000101bf0b3f$d6bf2700$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Actually, there are cosmetic, economic and functional differences between the BMW socket and the JD socket. They both should be able to accept a BMW plug, but somewhere I heard that plug is sort of tiangular (if viewed on end). The BMW has a spring loaded water proof cap that snaps back to cover. The JD is a plastic plug type cap that you must press in. The BMW is around $20 (last I heard) and the JD is around $8. The plugs are similar, but again BMW gets around $20 (correct me please), and JD is around $6. I have the JD set up. Currently, I have one socket and a plug attached to a.) a baby compressor (12v, 200psi), and b.) a cigarette lighter multiplex (1 into 3). I run my cell phone recharger and portable cd player on this. If I ever breakdown and buy an electric vest, I'll mount another socket. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > > On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, John C. Kozyn wrote: > > Another question: I want to put a BMW type socket plug for my electric > > vest on my VFR. Can Morton's provide me with this or should I go > > elsewhere (cheaper) ? > > Go to your friendly neighborhood John Deere dealer (guess where I got that > info from). > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > 1984 Honda XR350 > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 08:50:35 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16837 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FIV00F24IA8I9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:49:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA16309; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:44:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990930124916.JKLO8982@toddnt>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:49:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:46:29 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous In-reply-to: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> To: Bill Huson , Morris Berman Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <000401bf0b41$d0ebfe50$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Well this is a better explanation and a relief. When I read Morris' post, I imagined fully dressed Police H-Ds in hot pursuit reaching for the NOS bottle nozzle ala Mad Max quick-pan camara work, fast in on the the determined look of T-2 over the cops face chasing after Arnold S., and a flash fly by. My imagination even jiggled a little as if I were riding alongside the Terminator LEO at high speed. Then I thought, why don't the police just buy ST1100's :-) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Under the tail trunk, right? About a pint or slightly larger > canister.Not nitrious. > It's an air reservior for the air suspension saddle. > > Bill > `93 FLHS > > Morris Berman wrote: > > > At the recent Ride 4 Kids event, I found myself poking rather closely > > around a MD state trooper's bike. I notices an NoX bottle on it. > > Is this normal? Is nitrous a standard part of the H-D police package or > > was this bike an anomaly? > > > > -Mb > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, > AMA (M/C) #446884 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always > rearranging trying to > > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 09:21:18 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17223 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA25022 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:21:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:12:50 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous In-Reply-To: <000401bf0b41$d0ebfe50$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:46 AM 9/30/99 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >Well this is a better explanation and a relief. When I read Morris' post, I >imagined fully dressed Police H-Ds in hot pursuit reaching for the NOS >bottle nozzle ala Mad Max quick-pan camara work, fast in on the the >determined look of T-2 over the cops face chasing after Arnold S., and a >flash fly by. My imagination even jiggled a little as if I were riding >alongside the Terminator LEO at high speed. Nah. The Hardly engine internals would fly apart long before it reached those speeds. > >Then I thought, why don't the police just buy ST1100's Because they're not made in Amurrica! ITW, Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 09:33:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17365 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:33:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199909300933.AA202244484@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Socket.. Was: Several Questions X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Todd Peer >Actually, there are cosmetic, economic and functional differences between >the BMW socket and the JD socket. They both should be able to accept a BMW >plug, but somewhere I heard that plug is sort of tiangular (if viewed on >end). The BMW has a spring loaded water proof cap that snaps back to cover. >The JD is a plastic plug type cap that you must press in. That sounds right from what I've heard. > The BMW is around $20 (last I heard) and the JD is around $8. Some dealers (like Morton's www.mortonsbmw.com) sell them for about the JD price, I hear. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 09:35:03 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17462 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA24423 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:34:58 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:34:58 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:34:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Well this is a better explanation and a relief. When I read Morris' post, I >imagined fully dressed Police H-Ds in hot pursuit reaching for the NOS >bottle nozzle ala Mad Max Then again... On a Ride for Kids a couple of years ago, one of the MD LEOs was passing the group on his Harley, bent over the tank, motor flat out, windshield flapping inna breeze - the very essence of speed and power. I coulda caught him in third gear without using the throttle - I vote for the NOx - they NEED it Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 09:41:23 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17495 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02493 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> Subject: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:38:19 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > Because they're not made in Amurrica! Another testament to how back-assward we are here in the states. In almost all "civilized" countries in the world, cops ride something at least VAGUELY sporty, and many wear full face helmets. Not here in the US, no sireee! We gotta ride big honking (slow) Harley Electriglides, wear short sleeve shirts, and open face helmets. Seriously though... They could easily buy for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH police vehicle, that not only is comfortable to ride, but extremely reliable. With all the money they saved on not buying a HOG, they could send all the cops to a riding school (like Fast Freddies), and teach them how to ride those nifty new bikes, and still have money left over for full leathers and full face helmets that FLIP UP. No wonder my friends from Germany were *laughing* at our motorcycle cops. Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 09:57:00 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17700 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852567FC.004CBEA2 ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:58:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Kirt S." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567FC.004CBE3E.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:53:07 -0400 Subject: Why Harley Then? Was: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Why in the world do our police officers ride Harleys then? Is it the whole "American Made" thing? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Kirt S." on 09/30/99 09:38:19 AM To: cc: Subject: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous They could easily buy for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH police vehicle, that not only is comfortable to ride, but extremely reliable. With all the money they saved on not buying a HOG, they could send all the cops to a riding school (like Fast Freddies), and teach them how to ride those nifty new bikes, and still have money left over for full leathers and full face helmets that FLIP UP. No wonder my friends from Germany were *laughing* at our motorcycle cops. Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 09:57:47 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17774 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23870 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:57:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990930095145.015fb7e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:57:11 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous In-Reply-To: <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:38 AM 9/30/99 , Kirt S. wrote: > > Because they're not made in Amurrica! > >Another testament to how back-assward we are here in the states. In almost >all "civilized" countries in the world, cops ride something at least VAGUELY >sporty, and many wear full face helmets. Not here in the US, no sireee! We >gotta ride big honking (slow) Harley Electriglides, wear short sleeve >shirts, and open face helmets. Seriously though... They could easily buy >for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX Cop cars are not Corvettes - exotics can easily outrun the average cop package sedan. So why should the bike cops ride the fastest and sportiest? Most people pull over for the police...not because the cop can catch them...but because we have a respect for the law. Not all of us of course - lots of people run....but would you want to be the cop on the XX doing 160 behind a much more stable supercharged Mustang or 300ZX? Most of a cop's time is spent cruising around - which makes the hog a perfect choice. Still fast enough to catch most cages..... .02 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 09:58:54 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17784 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:58:53 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA25803; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:56:54 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021799; Thu, 30 Sep 99 09:52:59 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIV00KW5LD6RR@XXXXXX>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567FC.004C1523 ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:51:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:50:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous To: Bob Meyer Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <852567FC.004C0E6E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Nor are the BMWs that the CHP is going to outfit their entire force with! :-) --chris From: Bob Meyer Date: 09/30/99 01:12:50 PM GMT Subject: Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous > >Then I thought, why don't the police just buy ST1100's Because they're not made in Amurrica! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Was: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:59:10 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 No necessarily, they just like big slow bikes, and not wearing protective gear. Some of them ride Harley Look-alikes made by Kawasaki. I don't get it... Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Kirt S. Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 9:53 AM Subject: Why Harley Then? Was: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous > > > Why in the world do our police officers ride Harleys then? Is it the whole > "American Made" thing? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > "Kirt S." on 09/30/99 09:38:19 AM > > > To: > cc: > Subject: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous > > > > > They could easily buy > for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX > Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH > police vehicle, that not only is comfortable to ride, but extremely > reliable. With all the money they saved on not buying a HOG, they could > send all the cops to a riding school (like Fast Freddies), and teach them > how to ride those nifty new bikes, and still have money left over for full > leathers and full face helmets that FLIP UP. No wonder my friends from > Germany were *laughing* at our motorcycle cops. > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 10:11:46 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17959 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA06431 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:11:39 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990930101000.006c8f64@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:10:00 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous In-Reply-To: <852567FC.004C0E6E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:50 AM 9/30/99 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Nor are the BMWs that the CHP is going to outfit their entire force with! >:-) > >--chris Don't know about California, but most states have a buy-american policy for big ticket purchases, like police cars and bikes. That's the main reason Kawasaki built a US factory originally. By building them in the US they could sell to police departments, and they figured having a lot of police sales would help build a reputation for qaulity and reliability. That decision happened to coincide with the disasterous fall off in quality while AMF owned Hardly Ableson, and many police depts got so fed up with their Hardlys breaking that they bought the Kaws. There are exceptions, of course. I remember seeing a whole bunch of Motor Officers on Honda CBs (550's I think) in some western state in the early 80's, but in general most police dept's still buy American. Which has resulted in some interesting choices: A few years ago, I saw a group of Gold Wing riding cops here in Washington DC for the annual motor officer rodeo. Don't remember where they were from, though. ITW, Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 10:38:28 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18374 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17185 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:41:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199909301341.JAA17185@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:34:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Why Harley Then? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852567FC.004CBE3E.00@172.16.2.37> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Just about all government vehicles must be american made. How do you think the american people would feel if they knew that their taxes were going to support the Japanese or German auto/mc businesses rather than the the American workers? American auto workers paying the government's expenses in the form of taxes, and yet the govt. doesn't even support them by buying their products? The German police cruisers are volkswagens and the occasional Porsche, their bikes are BMWs. The Italians have FIAT and Lancia cruisers, and ride Guzzis. The Japanese drive..... well, I think you get the picture... -John N 88 FZR 400 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Subject: Why Harley Then? > > Why in the world do our police officers ride Harleys then? Is it the whole > "American Made" thing? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > "Kirt S." on 09/30/99 09:38:19 AM > > > To: > cc: > Subject: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous > > > > > They could easily buy > for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX > Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH > police vehicle, that not only is comfortable to ride, but extremely > reliable. With all the money they saved on not buying a HOG, they could > send all the cops to a riding school (like Fast Freddies), and teach them > how to ride those nifty new bikes, and still have money left over for full > leathers and full face helmets that FLIP UP. No wonder my friends from > Germany were *laughing* at our motorcycle cops. > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 10:40:31 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18387 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FIV00HA2N6WAU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:35:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA26639; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:35:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990930143514.LDUU8982@toddnt>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:35:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:32:27 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.19990930101000.006c8f64@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> To: Bob Meyer , DC Cycles Message-id: <000901bf0b50$9e6ce890$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX] > > At 09:50 AM 9/30/99 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > >Nor are the BMWs that the CHP is going to outfit their entire force with! > >:-) > > > >--chris > > Don't know about California, but most states have a buy-american > policy for > big ticket purchases, like police cars and bikes. Another attempt by gubmnt to steer economies, fully intending a preferred outcome (prosperity), but overlooking the possibility for an even better deal. Free Market....Who needs it! ;) > > There are exceptions, of course. I remember seeing a whole bunch of Motor > Officers on Honda CBs (550's I think) in some western state in the early > 80's, but in general most police dept's still buy American. Which has > resulted in some interesting choices: A few years ago, I saw a group of > Gold Wing riding cops here in Washington DC for the annual motor officer > rodeo. Don't remember where they were from, though. > ITW, > Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA > '92 ST1100 Some of the DC Capitol Police ride 250 Rebels. It's kindof funny to see this, and then see another DC CP riding a full dressed H-D. Must be some pecking order going on down there. Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 10:42:34 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18463 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01961 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013901bf0b51$9f43a410$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net><3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> <4.2.0.58.19990930095145.015fb7e0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:39:37 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Well, I'm not saying they should ride THE fastest or sportiest, otherwise I'd be suggesting they all ride Hayabusas, R1s, or RC51s or something along those lines. Seeing as a totally hooked up XX is still way: cheaper, faster, more reliable, better handling, better brakes, etc etc etc...I think the XX is a better suited bike to police work than a Harley is. I would be inclined to agree with you that they don't NEED a bike that out-performs their current rides, but when a better bike is available for less money, that's a different story. That extra money could go to more portective gear and better training for the officers. Hell, I'm not into the government, on any level, wasting my tax dollars on crappy equipment that is excessively expensive, and I'm especially against them wasting it on shitty motorcycles. Also, cops in europe, even though they typically "cruise" around on their normal beat, still ride capable sport or sport-touring bikes. Anyways, just my opinions...they might not be worth even 2ĸ :-) Kirt 99 F4 "Loves a spirited debate" > Cop cars are not Corvettes - exotics can easily outrun the average cop > package sedan. So why should the bike cops ride the fastest and > sportiest? Most people pull over for the police...not because the cop can > catch them...but because we have a respect for the law. Not all of us of > course - lots of people run....but would you want to be the cop on the XX > doing 160 behind a much more stable supercharged Mustang or 300ZX? Most of > a cop's time is spent cruising around - which makes the hog a perfect > choice. Still fast enough to catch most cages..... > > .02 > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 10:46:55 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f197.hotmail.com [209.185.130.107]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18512 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3935 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 14:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930144621.3934.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.8.158.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:46:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.8.158.125] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:46:21 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >. Seriously though... They could easily buy >for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX >Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH >police vehicle Lemmie ask a question here: why do you NEED a fast motorcycle cop? Doesn't anyone watch Fox's world wildest police chases?? Ever see a motocop in persuit? No, because to stop someone who is running from the cops, you need a 4000lb caprice or crown vic to make a rolling roadblock, etc. Granted, the ST1100 would be a very nice choice for a police bike, but not because it's faster than a harley, but because it's probably more reliable. Just my $0.02 --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 10:50:41 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18599 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06126; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:49:52 -0400 Message-ID: <37F37721.16DD0A02@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BUT ... save your tax money. Harleys are leased from the factory and the maintenance support is cheap. And, at the end of the lease, a Harely is still worth mucho $$$. Almost a free ride for the law. They're also pretty damn tough. Lo-side and your scuff up crash bars - period. I've done it and was amzed at how little damage resulted. Lo-side a crotch rocket and you'd be sweeping up plastic piecey-parts for a week. Bill Kirt S. wrote: > > Because they're not made in Amurrica! > > Another testament to how back-assward we are here in the states. In almost > all "civilized" countries in the world, cops ride something at least VAGUELY > sporty, and many wear full face helmets. Not here in the US, no sireee! We > gotta ride big honking (slow) Harley Electriglides, wear short sleeve > shirts, and open face helmets. Seriously though... They could easily buy > for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX > Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH > police vehicle, that not only is comfortable to ride, but extremely > reliable. With all the money they saved on not buying a HOG, they could > send all the cops to a riding school (like Fast Freddies), and teach them > how to ride those nifty new bikes, and still have money left over for full > leathers and full face helmets that FLIP UP. No wonder my friends from > Germany were *laughing* at our motorcycle cops. > > Kirt > 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 10:57:30 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18701 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24160 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:56:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990930105307.015fdc10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:56:48 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Cop Harley vs. XX In-Reply-To: <013901bf0b51$9f43a410$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@XXXXXX> <4.2.0.58.19990930095145.015fb7e0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:39 AM 9/30/99 , Kirt S. wrote: >Well, I'm not saying they should ride THE fastest or sportiest, otherwise >I'd be suggesting they all ride Hayabusas, R1s, or RC51s or something along >those lines. If I were a cop....sitting still or going slow most of the day...I would not want a sport bike torture rack. I would want a cruiser. That - combined with the obvious pressure local government has to buy American...produces the cop Harley. Perhaps they should have more of a hybrid - a really fast American cruiser or sport tourer. Hey - what about an ST1100, Concours or a Gold Wing! Upright seating...speed....great handling.....hmm...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 10:58:18 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18704 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000019157; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:57:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Why Harley Then? Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 What if they saved money by buying a non-American product, and used savings to provide more services or to lower taxes? Your argument doesn't make a lot of economic sense. The purchasing is based on emotional appeal. jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > Just about all government vehicles must be american made. How do you think the american people would feel if they knew that their taxes were going to support the Japanese or German auto/mc businesses rather than the the American workers? American auto workers paying the government's expenses in the form of taxes, and yet the govt. doesn't even support them by buying their products? The German police cruisers are volkswagens and the occasional Porsche, their bikes are BMWs. The Italians have FIAT and Lancia cruisers, and ride Guzzis. The Japanese drive..... well, I think you get the picture... -John N 88 FZR 400 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Subject: Why Harley Then? > > Why in the world do our police officers ride Harleys then? Is it the whole > "American Made" thing? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > "Kirt S." on 09/30/99 09:38:19 AM > > > To: > cc: > Subject: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous > > > > > They could easily buy > for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX > Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH > police vehicle, that not only is comfortable to ride, but extremely > reliable. With all the money they saved on not buying a HOG, they could > send all the cops to a riding school (like Fast Freddies), and teach them > how to ride those nifty new bikes, and still have money left over for full > leathers and full face helmets that FLIP UP. No wonder my friends from > Germany were *laughing* at our motorcycle cops. > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 10:59:34 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18714 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09787 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014301bf0b53$fe27b730$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <37F37721.16DD0A02@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:56:36 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Good point, but there is not even a vague shadow of a doubt in my mind that Honda of America would not JUMP ALL OVER an oppotunity to lease out bikes to Police Departments. Also as far as crash damage goes, frame sliders are wonderful things, and I'm positive that some sort of highway/crash bars could be rigged up on an XX. Also, with the vastly superior brakes and tires mounted on most sportbikes today, the likelihood of lowsiding a sportbike in the same turn as a can't-lean-too-far-over Harley on flat cruiser tires and crappy brakes is pretty slim. Kirt 99 F4 > BUT ... save your tax money. Harleys are leased from the factory and the > maintenance support is cheap. And, at the end of the lease, a Harely is still > worth mucho $$$. Almost a free ride for the law. They're also pretty damn tough. > Lo-side and your scuff up crash bars - period. I've done it and was amzed at how > little damage resulted. Lo-side a crotch rocket and you'd be sweeping up plastic > piecey-parts for a week. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:19:53 1999 Return-Path: matte@XXXXXX Received: from mail.savvis.net (mail.savvis.net [209.83.194.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18991 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Nova2.sales.savvis.net (h230-89-217-199.sales.savvis.net [199.217.89.230]) by mail.savvis.net (8.8.8/Savvis_V0.4) with SMTP id KAA01497; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:19:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:16:49 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF0B35.4A71AFC0.matte@savvis.net> From: "Matthew R. Elliott" Reply-To: "matte@XXXXXX" To: "'Karl Mueller'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:16:48 -0400 Organization: Savvis Communications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a question: Why even have bike cops? My assumption is that it's cheaper than a cage to operate and own, but other than costs, is there a legit reason? Curiosity kills the cat, I guess... Matt Had a 95 hawk, want's a 99 or 00 VMAX -----Original Message----- From: Karl Mueller [SMTP:k_d_mueller@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:46 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous >. Seriously though... They could easily buy >for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX >Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH >police vehicle Lemmie ask a question here: why do you NEED a fast motorcycle cop? Doesn't anyone watch Fox's world wildest police chases?? Ever see a motocop in persuit? No, because to stop someone who is running from the cops, you need a 4000lb caprice or crown vic to make a rolling roadblock, etc. Granted, the ST1100 would be a very nice choice for a police bike, but not because it's faster than a harley, but because it's probably more reliable. Just my $0.02 --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:23:34 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19070 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA12062 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:23:26 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990930112126.006c9eac@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:21:26 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: police motorcycles, etc. In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990930095145.015fb7e0@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <37F3500D.7DC67509@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:57 AM 9/30/99 -0400, Troutman wrote: > >Cop cars are not Corvettes - exotics can easily outrun the average cop >package sedan. So why should the bike cops ride the fastest and >sportiest? Most people pull over for the police...not because the cop can >catch them...but because we have a respect for the law. Not all of us of >course - lots of people run....but would you want to be the cop on the XX >doing 160 behind a much more stable supercharged Mustang or 300ZX? Most of >a cop's time is spent cruising around - which makes the hog a perfect >choice. Still fast enough to catch most cages..... And besides, the police have something much, much faster than an HD, a Porsche, or even a Hayabusa. It's called radio. And once they use it to report your location and license plate, you're pretty much toast, anyway. As for the riding gear, I recall reading that some police departments actually experimented with full face helmets and found the public had a highly negative reaction to not being able to see the officer's face. And taking them off and putting them back on is a real PITA if you have to do it dozens of times every day. This doesn't excuse the shorty helment with the leather ear flaps that some departments apparently still use, though. As for shirtsleeves, I guess it depends on the environment, but I couldn't stand wearing a leather jacket if I was going to spend all day in downtown city traffic. Finally, the little Honda's the the DC police have are probably a lot more practical in DC traffic than the HDs. But I'd feel pretty wimpy riding one if I was a motor officer. ITW, Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:24:55 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19080 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA24606; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:24:59 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014339; Thu, 30 Sep 99 11:13:55 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIV00DNIP4G71@XXXXXX>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567FC.005383FC ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:12:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:11:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous To: Bob Meyer Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <852567FC.00538333.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Additionally, I believe that the DC police (or maybe it's the park service) ride Honda Rebels ... That makes sense for downtown. I would think you could knife through traffic fairly easily on a rebel. :-) --chris To: DC Cycles cc: From: Bob Meyer Date: 09/30/99 02:10:00 PM GMT Subject: Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous --snip-- There are exceptions, of course. I remember seeing a whole bunch of Motor Officers on Honda CBs (550's I think) in some western state in the early 80's, but in general most police dept's still buy American. Which has resulted in some interesting choices: A few years ago, I saw a group of Gold Wing riding cops here in Washington DC for the annual motor officer rodeo. Don't remember where they were from, though. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:27:27 1999 Return-Path: ltweed@XXXXXX Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19208 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ltweed@XXXXXX) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EMR9ZJUT; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:24:58 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:23:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Why Harley Then? Was: Re: Stupid Americans Message-ID: <19990930.112318.-784885.4.ltweed@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-21 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Louis E Tweed This one is easy folks. Status and being noticed. Why do police ride horses? Status and being noticed. Who leads parades? Motorcycle police or police on horses. Why? Because crowds like them. Nothing to do with speed, comfort, very little to do with maneuverability, etc. PUBLIC RELATIONS. As soon as the American public starts putting Goldwing stickers on the backs of pickup truck windows you have a chance of seeing motorcycle police using Wings for Police vehicles. After all Goldwings are made in the USA, the light kits are already in production, sirens vs. air horns are easy, and almost anything is faster and more agile at speed than the Harleys the police are using now. Louis On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:59:10 -0400 "Kirt S." writes: > No necessarily, they just like big slow bikes, and not wearing > protective > gear. Some of them ride Harley Look-alikes made by Kawasaki. I > don't get > it... > > Kirt > 99 F4 > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:28:52 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19248 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA28223; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:28:18 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017954; Thu, 30 Sep 99 11:17:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FIV00DS4PA47D@XXXXXX>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567FC.0053D36C ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:15:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:15:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous To: "Kirt S." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567FC.0053D158.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I thought a Huyabusa was less $$$ than a XX ... --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Kirt S." Date: 09/30/99 02:39:37 PM GMT Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Well, I'm not saying they should ride THE fastest or sportiest, otherwise I'd be suggesting they all ride Hayabusas, R1s, or RC51s or something along those lines. Seeing as a totally hooked up XX is still way: cheaper, faster, more reliable, better handling, better brakes, etc etc etc...I think the XX is a better suited bike to police work than a Harley is. I would be --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:29:02 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19258 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA18212 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:28:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990930112821.006c5a4c@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:28:21 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous In-Reply-To: <014301bf0b53$fe27b730$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@XXXXXX> <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@XXXXXX> <37F37721.16DD0A02@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:56 AM 9/30/99 -0400, Kirt S. wrote: >Good point, but there is not even a vague shadow of a doubt in my mind that >Honda of America would not JUMP ALL OVER an oppotunity to lease out bikes to >Police Departments. Also as far as crash damage goes, frame sliders are >wonderful things, and I'm positive that some sort of highway/crash bars >could be rigged up on an XX. Also, with the vastly superior brakes and >tires mounted on most sportbikes today, the likelihood of lowsiding a >sportbike in the same turn as a can't-lean-too-far-over Harley on flat >cruiser tires and crappy brakes is pretty slim. Actually, those Hardlys are pretty amazing at slow speed work. Probably a lot better than any Japanese sport bike. Pretty low center of gravity, lots of steering lock, wide bars and that upright riding position and lots of low speed torque contribute to lots of control at low speeds. And the truth is that police motorcycles in most places spend a lot more time on slow speed traffic duty than on high speed pursuits Just watch a police rodeo sometime. I consider myself a pretty darn good rider, but I couldn't do half the things those guys do on their Hogs. ITW, Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:32:14 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19312 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:31:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: new rubber Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:31:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Collin said, "Chaparral charges $6/tire for shipping as do most mail orders.... Avoid M.A.W. like the plague though... they are the Coleman Powersports of mail order... maybe even worse! " Then there's ordering a factory part from Cycles USA -- not! For tires, another option is Dennis Kirk. They'll match any advertised price in a magazine (plus what the company charges for shipping) and subtract a buck. Thus, you can get DK reliability at a buck off MAW (or other) prices. You'll have to tell them which magazine and the ad's page number. Oh, and tell them, "Ryder sent you" then hum a few bars of Alice's Restaurant. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:34:46 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19338 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26367; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <017901bf0b58$e69475e0$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <852567FC.0053D158.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:31:44 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Not to my knowledge. I actually mentioned it becuase it the current fastest production motorcycle in the world (until the zx12 comes out). I think it's about 1500 more than an XX. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Kirt S. Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous > I thought a Huyabusa was less $$$ than a XX ... > > --chris > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: "Kirt S." > Date: 09/30/99 02:39:37 PM GMT > Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD > Police/Nitrous > > > > > Well, I'm not saying they should ride THE fastest or sportiest, otherwise > I'd be suggesting they all ride Hayabusas, R1s, or RC51s or something along > those lines. Seeing as a totally hooked up XX is still way: cheaper, > faster, more reliable, better handling, better brakes, etc etc etc...I > think > the XX is a better suited bike to police work than a Harley is. I would be > --snip-- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:36:25 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19426 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27109 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <017f01bf0b59$23dec4a0$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net><37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net><3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> <3.0.3.32.19990930112126.006c9eac@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> Subject: Re: police motorcycles, etc. Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:33:26 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Shoei, as well as several other companies, make flip up full face helmets, wear the entire mask and lower chin area swings up and out of the way. Kirt 99 F4 "Rebel 250s are for wimps" ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Meyer To: Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 11:21 AM Subject: Re: police motorcycles, etc. > At 09:57 AM 9/30/99 -0400, Troutman wrote: > > > > >Cop cars are not Corvettes - exotics can easily outrun the average cop > >package sedan. So why should the bike cops ride the fastest and > >sportiest? Most people pull over for the police...not because the cop can > >catch them...but because we have a respect for the law. Not all of us of > >course - lots of people run....but would you want to be the cop on the XX > >doing 160 behind a much more stable supercharged Mustang or 300ZX? Most of > >a cop's time is spent cruising around - which makes the hog a perfect > >choice. Still fast enough to catch most cages..... > > And besides, the police have something much, much faster than an HD, a > Porsche, or even a Hayabusa. It's called radio. And once they use it to > report your location and license plate, you're pretty much toast, anyway. > > As for the riding gear, I recall reading that some police departments > actually experimented with full face helmets and found the public had a > highly negative reaction to not being able to see the officer's face. And > taking them off and putting them back on is a real PITA if you have to do > it dozens of times every day. This doesn't excuse the shorty helment with > the leather ear flaps that some departments apparently still use, though. > As for shirtsleeves, I guess it depends on the environment, but I couldn't > stand wearing a leather jacket if I was going to spend all day in downtown > city traffic. > > Finally, the little Honda's the the DC police have are probably a lot more > practical in DC traffic than the HDs. But I'd feel pretty wimpy riding one > if I was a motor officer. > ITW, > Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA > '92 ST1100 > ===================================================== > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, > because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 11:49:00 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19589 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18004; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:51:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199909301451.KAA18004@bmdo.mcri.com> To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:44:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re: Why Harley Then? CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Doesn't make economic sense? Are you joking? I'm sure the american auto worker would be real grateful that the government saved him some money on automobile procurement by buying Hondas. With the savings, they could afford to cover the unemployment checks they would need to shell out when the US auto industry down sized.. Ever heard of price floors/ ceilings? Sometimes the best economic policies are not the ones that adhere to strict free market principles. And if you think that is a crock, get ready to pay $6.00 for a gallon of milk... -John N. 88 FZR 400 From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > What if they saved money by buying a non-American product, and used savings to provide more services or to lower taxes? > > Your argument doesn't make a lot of economic sense. The purchasing is based on emotional appeal. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 12:01:49 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19801 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FIV0016PR2HMC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:59:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09863; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:54:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990930155905.MUZY8982@toddnt>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:59:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:56:17 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Reliability RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: In-reply-to: <19990930144621.3934.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Karl Mueller , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000c01bf0b5c$548bfb60$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Mueller [mailto:k_d_mueller@XXXXXX] > > >. Seriously though... They could easily buy > >for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX > >Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH > >police vehicle > > Lemmie ask a question here: why do you NEED a fast motorcycle > cop? Doesn't > anyone watch Fox's world wildest police chases?? Ever see a motocop in > persuit? No, because to stop someone who is running from the > cops, you need > a 4000lb caprice or crown vic to make a rolling roadblock, etc. > > Granted, the ST1100 would be a very nice choice for a police > bike, but not > because it's faster than a harley, but because it's probably more > reliable. That was my original point. You could almost fit any large sport touring machine with the same things on a H-D, but for less money. Aside from police using the ST1100 http://home.newnet.co.uk/stoddard/bike-gra.htm There is a Taxi service in the UK (I think France too) and a Rescue Squad team in Sweden. I used to have images of all these, but I can't find them. Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 12:22:21 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20087 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:21:10 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:21:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:20:16 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bhuson@XXXXXX, nelson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: time for new rubber Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Just don=27t expect to get a great deal on Official H-D=AE Merch. = Yikes=21=20 Plus, the jackets got =27bout 18 logos stamped into the leather. Karen D loves them logos=21 Joe >>> Bill Huson - 9/29/99 3:18 PM >>> You=27ll probably *hate* this idea - but try a H-D shop for riding gear. Whitts (Manasass), East Coast (MD) and Patriot (Fairfax) have large inventorys. Contrary to popular belief, the prices are quite reasonable when compared to other retail M/C stores. And damn cheap compared to *some* retail stores. You can pick up something cute for the wife too. Us H-D guys are are into the Biker Chick look. :-) Bill Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Thanks a bunch guys, the more I save the less dirty looks I get from Pammy > (wife). ;=5D > Coleman has been getting my riding gear business just because of their > inventory. I hate to by gear on line and not get a chance to try it on > first. Is there anyone else in town that has a decent inventory. I went > by Power Sports in Herndon but found there selection to be limited. > > Thanks again > Nelson > > =22Collin T. Fagan=22 wrote: > --Snip--- > > > Chaparral charges =246/tire for shipping as do most mail orders.... > > --Snip-- > > Nelson Fernandez > Network Administrator > Production Technology, Inc. > 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 > Arlington, VA 22202 > Phone 703.271.9055 > Fax 703.271.9059 > www. http://www.pti.com =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 12:25:33 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20110 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.27] ([192.168.1.27]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA18505 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990930112126.006c9eac@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> References: <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <37F3500D.7DC67509@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19990930112126.006c9eac@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:28:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: police motorcycles, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Did anyone ever hear about the cops who rode dirt bikes? I think it was in LA, in some level of projects, and they rode 4 stroke enduroish bikes which could tackle the empty lots and ditches/potholes that make up bad urban environments- the upright position, bulletproof chassis/motor, and so forth would also seem to make them ideal for urban cops, with stiffened suspension and more streetable tires. Although I think I saw a special on TV about this, the more I try to remember where, the more I wonder if I made it up as the most fun way to get around the city. (I used to ride an XR 600 in the city, and it made quick work of sidewalks and alleyway shortcuts. It would easily go up curbs, and it always felt illegal, even when it wasn't. ) Oh yeah, and if I remember right, a 'Busa is $10499 and a 'Bird $10999. Could be wrong about this too, though. Ned 96 CBR f3 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 12:48:45 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20522 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 19:44:38 UT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:49 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Cop Harley vs. XX Message-ID: <19990930125002771-4acfaca@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Virginia State Police still uses (although in limited numbers) the older Kawasaki KZ 1100 (1000) for motor duty. These definitely blow the Harley out of the water from a power stand point, and are very comfortable to ride for long periods at a time. I would assume that they are still in use because the motor cops do not want to give them up... hell.. what are they now... over ten years old? Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Cop Harley vs. XX Author: mike@XXXXXX Date: 09/30/1999 10:56 AM At 10:39 AM 9/30/99 , Kirt S. wrote: >Well, I'm not saying they should ride THE fastest or sportiest, otherwise >I'd be suggesting they all ride Hayabusas, R1s, or RC51s or something along >those lines. If I were a cop....sitting still or going slow most of the day...I would not want a sport bike torture rack. I would want a cruiser. That - combined with the obvious pressure local government has to buy American...produces the cop Harley. Perhaps they should have more of a hybrid - a really fast American cruiser or sport tourer. Hey - what about an ST1100, Concours or a Gold Wing! Upright seating...speed....great handling.....hmm...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 12:54:51 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20601 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 19:47:33 UT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:52 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Ned Suesse" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: police motorcycles, etc. Message-ID: <19990930125302569-4afb920@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fairfax and Prince William use enduros for patroling trails and backwood areas. Me and some friends road with some of PW's cops while tearing it up at the power lines a few years back. Those guys could really move those things around, too. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: police motorcycles, etc. Author: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Ned Suesse) Date: 09/30/1999 12:28 PM Did anyone ever hear about the cops who rode dirt bikes? I think it was in LA, in some level of projects, and they rode 4 stroke enduroish bikes which could tackle the empty lots and ditches/potholes that make up bad urban environments- the upright position, bulletproof chassis/motor, and so forth would also seem to make them ideal for urban cops, with stiffened suspension and more streetable tires. Although I think I saw a special on TV about this, the more I try to remember where, the more I wonder if I made it up as the most fun way to get around the city. (I used to ride an XR 600 in the city, and it made quick work of sidewalks and alleyway shortcuts. It would easily go up curbs, and it always felt illegal, even when it wasn't. ) Oh yeah, and if I remember right, a 'Busa is $10499 and a 'Bird $10999. Could be wrong about this too, though. Ned 96 CBR f3 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 12:55:35 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20614 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:55:34 -0400 (EDT) From: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA15927 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909301655.MAA15927@bacardi.torrentnet.com> Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 19:51:24 UT To: "Ned Suesse" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: police motorcycles, etc. Message-ID: <19990930125302569-4afb920@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fairfax and Prince William use enduros for patroling trails and backwood areas. Me and some friends road with some of PW's cops while tearing it up at the power lines a few years back. Those guys could really move those things around, too. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: police motorcycles, etc. Author: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Ned Suesse) Date: 09/30/1999 12:28 PM Did anyone ever hear about the cops who rode dirt bikes? I think it was in LA, in some level of projects, and they rode 4 stroke enduroish bikes which could tackle the empty lots and ditches/potholes that make up bad urban environments- the upright position, bulletproof chassis/motor, and so forth would also seem to make them ideal for urban cops, with stiffened suspension and more streetable tires. Although I think I saw a special on TV about this, the more I try to remember where, the more I wonder if I made it up as the most fun way to get around the city. (I used to ride an XR 600 in the city, and it made quick work of sidewalks and alleyway shortcuts. It would easily go up curbs, and it always felt illegal, even when it wasn't. ) Oh yeah, and if I remember right, a 'Busa is $10499 and a 'Bird $10999. Could be wrong about this too, though. Ned 96 CBR f3 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 12:59:17 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20689 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FIV00422TG5GC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:50:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA24549 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:49:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990930165028.NSZX8982@toddnt> for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:50:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:47:40 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: police motorcycles, etc. In-reply-to: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001201bf0b63$8205cfb0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Fairfax County had a number of on-off road bikes (I believe XR600s) that were all duded up with the county colors and all. I think they still have a couple of these. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ned Suesse [mailto:nsuesse@XXXXXX] > > Did anyone ever hear about the cops who rode dirt bikes? I think it > was in LA, in some level of projects, and they rode 4 stroke > enduroish bikes which could tackle the empty lots and > ditches/potholes that make up bad urban environments- the upright > position, bulletproof chassis/motor, and so forth would also seem to > make them ideal for urban cops, with stiffened suspension and more > streetable tires. > > Although I think I saw a special on TV about this, the more I try to > remember where, the more I wonder if I made it up as the most fun way > to get around the city. (I used to ride an XR 600 in the city, and it > made quick work of sidewalks and alleyway shortcuts. It would easily > go up curbs, and it always felt illegal, even when it wasn't. ) > > Oh yeah, and if I remember right, a 'Busa is $10499 and a 'Bird > $10999. Could be wrong about this too, though. > > Ned > > 96 CBR f3 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 13:00:38 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20739 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 19:56:33 UT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:01 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Morris Berman" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Nitrous Message-ID: <19990930130202496-4b7f637@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know that this issue was already brought to life but what if it had been nitrous? Well if he had no hazardous use permits or warning decals on the bike then you could have issued a citizens arrest on him. Nitrous is illegal on any road going vehicle in MD. It carries a stiff fine as well as gets your car AND bottle impounded (you don't get the bottle back). Believe me.. I know. And if I had seen it on there sans any legal documentation you could have bet that his ass was going to be in trouble! (I had a really hard time with this about 8 years ago... I'm due some payback!) ;-) In VA you can have it on anything just don't have the valve open if you get pulled over. Remote bottle valves in the passenger compartment are also illegal. Tom <--- DC-Cycles' resident N2O specialist '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: MD Police/Nitrous Author: berman@XXXXXX (Morris Berman) Date: 09/30/1999 7:29 AM At the recent Ride 4 Kids event, I found myself poking rather closely around a MD state trooper's bike. I notices an NoX bottle on it. Is this normal? Is nitrous a standard part of the H-D police package or was this bike an anomaly? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 13:15:32 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21004 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990930171600.17718.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:16:00 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:16:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Matthew R. Elliott" wrote: > Here's a question: > > Why even have bike cops? My assumption is that it's cheaper than a cage to > operate and own, but other than costs, is there a legit reason? How about maneuverability? If there is a tie up in traffic, or a bad accident, which can get there first? A car or a motorcycle? This is one reason that some EMTs are now experiementing with motorcycles being dispatched along with ambulances. I was at the Police Rodeo being held in Downtown DC last weekend by the Capitol Building. These guys have great control over their motorcycles. The circles that Leon had for one of our DC-Cycles practice sessions would have been a good warm up. They not only had the circles, but had to take narrow routes lined with tall cones and not hit any of them. Some of the cones were spaced only about an inch wider than their saddle bags. Also, when there was a rape along some of the bike paths, the police were their on their dual sports patroling the paths for a while. It would have been extremely difficult (and dangerous) to have cars running around on the paths. Plus of course there is the look. When I went to watch the 2nd inauguration, the president's limo was led by several rows of police on motorcycles, and police with side cars. There weren't very many police officers in cars in the parade. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 13:21:28 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21098 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05660 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:21:08 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990930132004.006cecc0@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:20:04 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous In-Reply-To: <01BF0B35.4A71AFC0.matte@savvis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:16 AM 9/30/99 -0400, Matthew R. Elliott wrote: >Here's a question: > >Why even have bike cops? My assumption is that it's cheaper than a cage to >operate and own, but other than costs, is there a legit reason? > >Curiosity kills the cat, I guess... Primarily for their manueverability. They can negotiate traffic jams, accident scenes and the like much faster than cages. They also have the ability to get off the road and down the sidewalk, hiking path, etc. Finally, the fact that they're pretty stealthy, and people in cages tend not to notice them, doesn't hurt either. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 13:21:31 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21099 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05610; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:21:05 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990930131249.006ca2cc@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:12:49 -0400 To: Todd Peer , Karl Mueller , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Reliability RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: In-Reply-To: <000c01bf0b5c$548bfb60$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <19990930144621.3934.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:56 AM 9/30/99 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >That was my original point. You could almost fit any large sport touring >machine with the same things on a H-D, but for less money. Well, maybe. Your local police deparment doesn't pay the same price for a Hardly that you do. I suspect Wille G would happily sell his bikes to police departments at a loss rather than have the public see the local police on Goldwings and the like. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 13:21:25 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21096 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:20:28 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:20:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:19:37 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, berman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD Police/Nitrous Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Dunno, maybe that was the dude that BLASTED past us right before we got back to the mall--I've never seen an FL go like that--I laffed my butt off! joe >>> Morris Berman - 9/30/99 7:29 AM >>> At the recent Ride 4 Kids event, I found myself poking rather closely around a MD state trooper's bike. I notices an NoX bottle on it. Is this normal? Is nitrous a standard part of the H-D police package or was this bike an anomaly? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 13:31:17 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21277 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:47:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199909301347.AA431948102@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "Tom Zell" Subject: Re:Cop Harley vs. XX X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Tom Zell" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:49 -0400 >Virginia State Police still uses (although in limited numbers) the >older >Kawasaki KZ 1100 (1000) for motor duty. I would assume that >they are still in use because the motor cops do not want to give them >up... hell.. what are they now... over ten years old? Tom, The KZ1000-Police models are still being produced today. I don't think the design has changed much in several years, heck, the engine looks virtually identical to the 1978 KZ1000 LTD I used to ride. Great bikes. At one time I was convinced they were shafties, but they are chain drive. Boy was I disappointed. I probably would have bought a used one otherwise. :) (Shafties rule!) Remember the old CHiPs TV show? They used the Kawasaki's - as I kid I always assumed they were Harley's - I didn't know the difference then. I do now. So do a lot of Cops. I've heard stories where they were willing to BUY THE BIKES THEMSELVES instead of having the police force switch to Harleys. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 13:51:27 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21605 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FIV00EQZW6OLQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:49:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA02148 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:49:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990930174935.OSBD8982@toddnt> for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:49:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:46:46 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Reliability RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.19990930131249.006ca2cc@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001401bf0b6b$c4224650$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I would venture Mr. Honda would do the same, but would be happy to have the publicity at H-Ds expense. ;-) Shoot, if you could get enough DC-Cycles types together to buy a particular machine, warrantied and all, you'd be able to find a significant discount. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:13 PM > To: Todd Peer; Karl Mueller; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Reliability RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: > > > At 11:56 AM 9/30/99 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > > > >That was my original point. You could almost fit any large sport touring > >machine with the same things on a H-D, but for less money. > > Well, maybe. Your local police deparment doesn't pay the same price for a > Hardly that you do. I suspect Wille G would happily sell his bikes to > police departments at a loss rather than have the public see the local > police on Goldwings and the like. > ITW, > Bob Meyer > '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ===================================================== > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, > because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 13:52:25 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21623 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20263; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01f101bf0b6c$21c44e70$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <199909301347.AA431948102@tidalwave.net> Subject: Re: Re:Cop Harley vs. XX Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:49:23 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In the moments of delirium I've had about wanting to be a responsible adult, I've thought about being a cop. It's in my family, but I would have to be a bike cop. I don't wanna ride no big stinky bike. I'd be willing to buy my bike, and let them paint it, but I don't think that'll fly. Oh well, guess I'll stay a law-breaker Kirt 99 F4 > Remember the old CHiPs TV show? They used the Kawasaki's - as I > kid I always assumed they were Harley's - I didn't know the > difference then. I do now. So do a lot of Cops. I've heard > stories where they were willing to BUY THE BIKES THEMSELVES > instead of having the police force switch to Harleys. > > Horkster From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 14:09:40 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21869 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA26784 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ff01bf0b6e$8df672b0$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <001401bf0b6b$c4224650$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Subject: Re: Reliability RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:06:43 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 They'd have to put big shiny Honda logos on them, to distinguish them. Most of the flock see a big bike and think "harley". So even though it's a honda, people would probably think otherwise until they got close enough to distinguish the honda nameplate... Kirt 99 F4 > I would venture Mr. Honda would do the same, but would be happy to have the > publicity at H-Ds expense. ;-) > > Shoot, if you could get enough DC-Cycles types together to buy a particular > machine, warrantied and all, you'd be able to find a significant discount. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 14:20:45 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22120 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.27] ([192.168.1.27]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA19532 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:23:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Parking in Downtown baltimore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I am headed up to Baltimore on Saturday to meet a friend- any good ideas on a safe place to park the bike in downtown? If the weather is good, I would feel like a criminal not driving the motorcycle, but I admit to fear of theft if I leave it alone for too many hours. Thanks Ned 96 cbr F3 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 14:42:12 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22454 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:41:16 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:38:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:38:14 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: ksenser@XXXXXX, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Why Harley Then? Was: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air SuspensionRE: MD Police/Nitrous Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline In my previous life as a writer for H-D, I was given a job to do the brochure for their cop bikes. The lit was targeted to the PD fleet buyer. The jist of the info concerned operating cost/service life, maintenance intervals, resale value. Very little to do with performance. Surveys of motor officers did show they preferred the "presence" of the Glides, but that didn't hold much sway with the pencil-pushers. So of course, the stats they gave me showed that the Harleys were less expensive to operate than the Kawi cop bike. Understandable given no valve adjustments, carb sync, resale. (awaiting smartass comments about break downs) Joe >>> - 9/30/99 9:53 AM >>> Why in the world do our police officers ride Harleys then? Is it the whole "American Made" thing? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Kirt S." on 09/30/99 09:38:19 AM To: cc: Subject: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous They could easily buy for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a CBR1100XX Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a 180+ MPH police vehicle, that not only is comfortable to ride, but extremely reliable. With all the money they saved on not buying a HOG, they could send all the cops to a riding school (like Fast Freddies), and teach them how to ride those nifty new bikes, and still have money left over for full leathers and full face helmets that FLIP UP. No wonder my friends from Germany were *laughing* at our motorcycle cops. Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 14:48:03 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22523 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990930184821.19038.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.175] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:48:21 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: RE: Someone tried to steal my bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK who was giving me all that ribbing about not using my name on the email list when I first joined? *sticking tongue out* ;) hehe --- Chris Norloff wrote: > >In a message dated 9/29/99 2:34:08 AM, itm_2k@XXXXXX writes: > >>We have thieves on the email list? > > > >From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > >it wouldn't surprise me if there are some lurking - after all, > what >better way to find out what bikes are where??? > > > I rode with a guy last weekend who said they started using > nicknames on the Indian list, because thieves were targeting list > members. > > Chris Norloff > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 15:10:14 1999 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22871 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash24.acs.org by amerchem.acs.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04877; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:09:28 -0400 Received: from wash58.acs.org (wash58.acs.org [134.243.200.8]) by wash24.acs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08433 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wash58.acs.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:07:11 -0400 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE962EBEE5@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:07:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BF0B76.FF95D35E" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF0B76.FF95D35E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I work downtown and see them on Honda Shadow 250's for traffic patrol all the time. If they can buy Honda's for the Traffic Cops, they should be able to get other Honda's for the Patrol cops. .02 Jason > >--chris Don't know about California, but most states have a buy-american policy for big ticket purchases, like police cars and bikes. That's the main reason Kawasaki built a US factory originally. By building them in the US they could sell to police departments, and they figured having a lot of police sales would help build a reputation for qaulity and reliability. That decision happened to coincide with the disasterous fall off in quality while AMF owned Hardly Ableson, and many police depts got so fed up with their Hardlys breaking that they bought the Kaws. There are exceptions, of course. I remember seeing a whole bunch of Motor Officers on Honda CBs (550's I think) in some western state in the early 80's, but in general most police dept's still buy American. Which has resulted in some interesting choices: A few years ago, I saw a group of Gold Wing riding cops here in Washington DC for the annual motor officer rodeo. Don't remember where they were from, though. ITW, Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA '92 ST1100 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF0B76.FF95D35E Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Jason Picton.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jason Picton.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Picton;Jason FN:Jason Picton ORG:;IT EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jip98@XXXXXX REV:19990611T195532Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF0B76.FF95D35E-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 15:34:28 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23209 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990930193411.13666.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:34:11 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Parking in Downtown baltimore To: Ned Suesse , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Park right outside wherever you are going to be, at a police substation or in a row of other bikes. Or you could do what some DC Cycles listers did when we went to the Baltimore bike show last year: we parked our bikes in one of the many garages near the waterfront, but left them near the attendant and asked him to keep an eye on them. I would also get a disc lock or alarm, if you don't have one. Sean Sullivan --- Ned Suesse wrote: > I am headed up to Baltimore on Saturday to meet a > friend- any good > ideas on a safe place to park the bike in downtown? > If the weather is > good, I would feel like a criminal not driving the > motorcycle, but I > admit to fear of theft if I leave it alone for too > many hours. > > Thanks > Ned > > 96 cbr F3 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 16:05:09 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23779 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990930200538.9613.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.175] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:05:38 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe we as a motorcycle group should start a little lobbying for motorcyclist police to have to be dressed in atleast a leather jacket and maybe some special police helmet which has a mouth openening for their commands to come out clearly and holes near the ears which make it appear that their hearing ins't impaired.. maybe if the cops see motorcyclists care about them, they'll be more inclined to care about us. --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > Because they're not made in Amurrica! > > Another testament to how back-assward we are here in the states. > In almost > all "civilized" countries in the world, cops ride something at > least VAGUELY > sporty, and many wear full face helmets. Not here in the US, no > sireee! We > gotta ride big honking (slow) Harley Electriglides, wear short > sleeve > shirts, and open face helmets. Seriously though... They could > easily buy > for a fraction of the cost of a new harley, something like a > CBR1100XX > Blackbird, give it the full police package, and then they have a > 180+ MPH > police vehicle, that not only is comfortable to ride, but extremely > reliable. With all the money they saved on not buying a HOG, they > could > send all the cops to a riding school (like Fast Freddies), and > teach them > how to ride those nifty new bikes, and still have money left over > for full > leathers and full face helmets that FLIP UP. No wonder my friends > from > Germany were *laughing* at our motorcycle cops. > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 16:41:25 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24323 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:41:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id hCLTa06003 (4421); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:39:27 EDT Subject: Re: Why Harley Then? To: jnewman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 9/30/99 10:45:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: << The Italians have FIAT and Lancia cruisers, and ride Guzzis. >> Actually, BMW won the last contract for motorcycles for the police and carabinieri in Italy. Now many of the police are riding BMWs. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 16:48:10 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24475 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-154.patriot.net [209.249.180.154]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17234; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:48:06 -0400 Message-ID: <37F3CB1C.7C2DA48B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:42:04 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Meyer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@XXXXXX> <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@XXXXXX> <37F37721.16DD0A02@XXXXXX> <3.0.3.32.19990930112821.006c5a4c@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was going to mention that. After watching an MRC instructor tool his full dresser thru all the MRC excercises rather gracefully, you won't catch me saying a Hawg ain't nimble. And then there's the *emotional* issue. It's very simple, jap rocketeers - how many folks have Suzuki/Kawasaki/Honda/Yamaha tattoos? Hmmm...????. How many of you young studs have met a cool chick and blatthered about your motorcycle and then been hit with the standard question - "Is it a Harley? I love Harleys!" Er ... mumble mumble... Face it - y`all may have the speed, but Harleys have the *punch* - to to speak. heeheehee Bill > > > Actually, those Hardlys are pretty amazing at slow speed work. Probably a > lot better than any Japanese sport bike. Pretty low center of gravity, > lots of steering lock, wide bars and that upright riding position and lots > of low speed torque contribute to lots of control at low speeds. And the > truth is that police motorcycles in most places spend a lot more time on > slow speed traffic duty than on high speed pursuits > > Just watch a police rodeo sometime. I consider myself a pretty darn good > rider, but I couldn't do half the things those guys do on their Hogs. > ITW, > Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA > '92 ST1100 > ===================================================== > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, > because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 16:54:56 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24565 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-154.patriot.net [209.249.180.154]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18226; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:54:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37F3CCAF.85A670E8@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:48:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: nelson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: time for new rubber = riding gear References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not my stuff. My slide tested jacket has a tiny H-D on the belt rollor. My preforated leather has a unobtrusive logo over one pocket which is easily removed. Niether one cost more'n $300 which is somewhat less expensive than comparable quality stuff with "Vanson" or "Hien" Gierke" embossed on the leather. Bill JOE NAGY wrote: > Just don't expect to get a great deal on Official H-DŽ Merch. Yikes! > Plus, the jackets got 'bout 18 logos stamped into the leather. Karen D > loves them logos! > > Joe > > >>> Bill Huson - 9/29/99 3:18 PM >>> > You'll probably *hate* this idea - but try a H-D shop for riding gear. > Whitts > (Manasass), East Coast (MD) and Patriot (Fairfax) have large inventorys. > Contrary to popular belief, the prices are quite reasonable when > compared to > other retail M/C stores. And damn cheap compared to *some* retail > stores. > > You can pick up something cute for the wife too. Us H-D guys are are > into the > Biker Chick look. :-) > > Bill > > Nelson Fernandez wrote: > > > Thanks a bunch guys, the more I save the less dirty looks I get from > Pammy > > (wife). ;] > > Coleman has been getting my riding gear business just because of their > > inventory. I hate to by gear on line and not get a chance to try it > on > > first. Is there anyone else in town that has a decent inventory. I > went > > by Power Sports in Herndon but found there selection to be limited. > > > > Thanks again > > Nelson > > > > "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > --Snip--- > > > > > Chaparral charges $6/tire for shipping as do most mail orders.... > > > > --Snip-- > > > > Nelson Fernandez > > Network Administrator > > Production Technology, Inc. > > 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 > > Arlington, VA 22202 > > Phone 703.271.9055 > > Fax 703.271.9059 > > www. http://www.pti.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 16:54:51 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24562 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id QAA0000025957; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:55:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: Why Harley Then? Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 So you're saying that sales of American cars to police departments are what's keeping the auto industry afloat? You're right, sometimes there are reasons to buy domestic brands no matter what. Now -- show us that this is one of those times. And tell us about the gov't procurement policies that call for doing a careful analysis of the economic impact of the decision to buy American. Do they outnumber the ones that require buying American, period? Analysis is harder than sloganeering, which is why the latter is more popular. jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > Doesn't make economic sense? Are you joking? I'm sure the american auto worker would be real grateful that the government saved him some money on automobile procurement by buying Hondas. With the savings, they could afford to cover the unemployment checks they would need to shell out when the US auto industry down sized.. Ever heard of price floors/ ceilings? Sometimes the best economic policies are not the ones that adhere to strict free market principles. And if you think that is a crock, get ready to pay $6.00 for a gallon of milk... -John N. 88 FZR 400 From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > What if they saved money by buying a non-American product, and used savings to provide more services or to lower taxes? > > Your argument doesn't make a lot of economic sense. The purchasing is based on emotional appeal. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 17:28:07 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25084 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:26:22 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:26:16 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:25:59 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nelson@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: time for new rubber = riding gear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Amazing. I remember when H-D started abusing perfectly good leathers with the embossing machine, every damn jacket had to have a foot-high eagle logo smashed into the back panel. Funny you should mention Hein Gerike--first thing I did when I bought my Dakar (about 10yrs ago) was rip the logo off the left shoulder. The needle holes have since been spackled over with bug paste. Joe >>> Bill Huson - 9/30/99 4:48 PM >>> Not my stuff. My slide tested jacket has a tiny H-D on the belt rollor. My preforated leather has a unobtrusive logo over one pocket which is easily removed. Niether one cost more=27n =24300 which is somewhat less expensive than comparable quality stuff with =22Vanson=22 or =22Hien=22 Gierke=22 = embossed on the leather. Bill JOE NAGY wrote: > Just don=27t expect to get a great deal on Official H-D=AE Merch. = Yikes=21 > Plus, the jackets got =27bout 18 logos stamped into the leather. Karen D > loves them logos=21 > > Joe > > >>> Bill Huson - 9/29/99 3:18 PM >>> > You=27ll probably *hate* this idea - but try a H-D shop for riding gear. > Whitts > (Manasass), East Coast (MD) and Patriot (Fairfax) have large inventorys. > Contrary to popular belief, the prices are quite reasonable when > compared to > other retail M/C stores. And damn cheap compared to *some* retail > stores. > > You can pick up something cute for the wife too. Us H-D guys are are > into the > Biker Chick look. :-) > > Bill > > Nelson Fernandez wrote: > > > Thanks a bunch guys, the more I save the less dirty looks I get from > Pammy > > (wife). ;=5D > > Coleman has been getting my riding gear business just because of their > > inventory. I hate to by gear on line and not get a chance to try it > on > > first. Is there anyone else in town that has a decent inventory. I > went > > by Power Sports in Herndon but found there selection to be limited. > > > > Thanks again > > Nelson > > > > =22Collin T. Fagan=22 wrote: > > --Snip--- > > > > > Chaparral charges =246/tire for shipping as do most mail orders.... > > > > --Snip-- > > > > Nelson Fernandez > > Network Administrator > > Production Technology, Inc. > > 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 > > Arlington, VA 22202 > > Phone 703.271.9055 > > Fax 703.271.9059 > > www. http://www.pti.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 17:28:44 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25094 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id RAA29177 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005901bf0b8a$591453c0$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <37F3500D.7DC67509@patriot.net> <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> <00d401bf0b49$1302c510$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <37F37721.16DD0A02@patriot.net> <3.0.3.32.19990930112821.006c5a4c@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> <37F3CB1C.7C2DA48B@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:25:41 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Alright....as far as chicks go, I've gotten hit on WAY more than I ever have before, and the frequent question *I* hear, is "Is it a sportbike???" So, maybe we're lobbying different "chicks" but I think there is a female audience for both. Either way, women who RIDE are far better then women who just sit on the back... :-) Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Bob Meyer Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous > I was going to mention that. After watching an MRC instructor tool his full > dresser thru all the MRC excercises rather gracefully, you won't catch me saying > a Hawg ain't nimble. And then there's the *emotional* issue. It's very simple, > jap rocketeers - how many folks have Suzuki/Kawasaki/Honda/Yamaha tattoos? > Hmmm...????. How many of you young studs have met a cool chick and blatthered > about your motorcycle and then been hit with the standard question - "Is it a > Harley? I love Harleys!" Er ... mumble mumble... > > Face it - y`all may have the speed, but Harleys have the *punch* - to to speak. > heeheehee > > Bill > > > > > > > Actually, those Hardlys are pretty amazing at slow speed work. Probably a > > lot better than any Japanese sport bike. Pretty low center of gravity, > > lots of steering lock, wide bars and that upright riding position and lots > > of low speed torque contribute to lots of control at low speeds. And the > > truth is that police motorcycles in most places spend a lot more time on > > slow speed traffic duty than on high speed pursuits > > > > Just watch a police rodeo sometime. I consider myself a pretty darn good > > rider, but I couldn't do half the things those guys do on their Hogs. > > ITW, > > Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA > > '92 ST1100 > > ===================================================== > > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, > > because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 17:56:48 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from enigma.office.aol.com (x98A3A58D.pix.aol.com [152.163.165.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25481 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by enigma.office.aol.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA03454; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:55:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.office.aol.com: roach owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:55:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson cc: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous In-Reply-To: <37F3CB1C.7C2DA48B@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey Bill... How many people have HD tattoos but *don't* own a Harley? :) And actually... I was thinking about getting a tattoo of the Ducati emblem. Of course, eveyone knows how rabid us Duc owners can be. Most fun: Eating the free food at the HOG member only suite at Mid-Ohio during the AMA races wearing a bright red Ducati T-Shirt. The guy checking HOG cards at the front was, um, confused and almost said "This is for Harley Owners Only" before he saw I was holding my card. - Brian On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Bill Huson wrote: > I was going to mention that. After watching an MRC instructor tool his full > dresser thru all the MRC excercises rather gracefully, you won't catch me saying > a Hawg ain't nimble. And then there's the *emotional* issue. It's very simple, > jap rocketeers - how many folks have Suzuki/Kawasaki/Honda/Yamaha tattoos? > Hmmm...????. How many of you young studs have met a cool chick and blatthered > about your motorcycle and then been hit with the standard question - "Is it a > Harley? I love Harleys!" Er ... mumble mumble... > > Face it - y`all may have the speed, but Harleys have the *punch* - to to speak. > heeheehee > > Bill > > > > > > > Actually, those Hardlys are pretty amazing at slow speed work. Probably a > > lot better than any Japanese sport bike. Pretty low center of gravity, > > lots of steering lock, wide bars and that upright riding position and lots > > of low speed torque contribute to lots of control at low speeds. And the > > truth is that police motorcycles in most places spend a lot more time on > > slow speed traffic duty than on high speed pursuits > > > > Just watch a police rodeo sometime. I consider myself a pretty darn good > > rider, but I couldn't do half the things those guys do on their Hogs. > > ITW, > > Bob Meyer (STOC #1157), AMA > > '92 ST1100 > > ===================================================== > > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, > > because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 18:16:20 1999 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25810 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2LOMa00236 (4470) for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:15:40 EDT Subject: Re: Tattoos Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 >And actually... I was thinking about getting a tattoo of the Ducati >emblem. Of course, eveyone knows how rabid us Duc owners can be. You wouldn't be the first to have a Duc tattoo. I worked once in a shop that carried BMW, Ducati, and Triumph. There was at least one customer for each brand that had a logo tattoo. I wanted to get the three of them together for a photo session to use in store advertising. All three were into it, but the shop owner was squeamish about it, mostly because the Ducati tattoo was below the belt.. I still think it would have made a great ad. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 18:40:47 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26101 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA29068; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: <37F3E57F.1F066908@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:34:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit heeheehee - sorta like me who has been known to wear a Norton tee when hanging with HOGers. You know you're dealing with vacious youth when they ask "What's a Norton?" Ducs & Guzis are kinda cool. Bill Brian Roach wrote: > Hey Bill... > > How many people have HD tattoos but *don't* own a Harley? > > :) > > And actually... I was thinking about getting a tattoo of the Ducati > emblem. Of course, eveyone knows how rabid us Duc owners can be. > > Most fun: Eating the free food at the HOG member only suite at Mid-Ohio > during the AMA races wearing a bright red Ducati T-Shirt. The guy checking > HOG cards at the front was, um, confused and almost said "This is for > Harley Owners Only" before he saw I was holding my card. > > - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 18:43:42 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26177 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA29348; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: <37F3E62F.AA5E511C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:37:35 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And then there's me - gotta harley but no tattoo. If I ever get a tattoo it won't be an H-D one. Methinks an artistic rendering of my woman buns up kneeling would be neat. Bill Brian Roach wrote: > Hey Bill... > > How many people have HD tattoos but *don't* own a Harley? > > :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 18:55:55 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26291 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA30514 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:55:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37F3E904.69131D90@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:49:40 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Off on a putt ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate to leave all this lively discussion, but alas, the beach is calling my name. So at dark-thirty sat morn, I'll mount up and ride to the lovely Outer Banks of NC, followed by my support vehicle containing surf rods and asst beach gear. When I ain't fishing I'll be tooling the senic highways. Very few twisties, and no hills, but roads that travel thru the coastal swamplands - scenes from my swamp rat youth. If any of you get the urge to wander beachward - you'll most likely be able to find my shaggy butt on a bar stool at Mulligans on beach road in the evenings. Don't look for the Hawg. I bunk in a cottage a few blocks from the pub which is perfect for rendering oneself in shouldn't be riding condition. I can walk back - or stagger back. heh heh Back in a week - maybe ... Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 19:10:19 1999 Return-Path: ltweed@XXXXXX Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26528 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ltweed@XXXXXX) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EMS38J2Z; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:03:10 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:03:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Why Harley Then? Message-ID: <19990930.190038.-784885.3.ltweed@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-16 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Louis E Tweed Come on now. It isn't economics. How many police vehicles are sold in the US each year? Better question: What percentage of vehicle sales does Police cruisers represent? With the way American auto companies and Japanese auto companies are interlaced does it make any difference anymore? Another thought how many foreign auto manufactures have assembly plants in the USA? It isn't economics, it's politics based on consumer acceptance. Louis P.S. That letter sounded like UAW propaganda. > Doesn't make economic sense? Are you joking? > I'm sure the American auto worker would be real grateful > that the government saved him some money on > automobile procurement by buying Hondas. > With the savings, they could afford to cover the unemployment > checks they would need to shell out when the US auto industry down > sized.. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 19:29:34 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26812 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.199] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A66617C20154; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:46:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37F3F1C4.E62F03E7@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:27:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: Brian Roach , Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS: References: <37F3E57F.1F066908@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > You know you're dealing with vacious youth when they ask > "What's a Norton?" Geez, I guess it's asking too much for a newbie to actually leaf through a motorcycle book sometime, huh? I bet he thinks an Indian wears feathers and does rain dances... > Ducs & Guzis are kinda cool. Yep. All bikes are cool. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - BugSlayer II - BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) - GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 20:07:06 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27328 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-128-100.s100.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.128.100]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26135 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:06:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990930195727.00ba1860@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:06:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS: In-Reply-To: <37F3F1C4.E62F03E7@tidalwave.net> References: <37F3E57F.1F066908@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:27 PM 9/30/1999 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Bill Huson wrote: > > > You know you're dealing with vacious youth when they ask > > "What's a Norton?" > >Geez, > >I guess it's asking too much for a newbie to actually leaf >through a motorcycle book sometime, huh? I bet he thinks an >Indian wears feathers and does rain dances... Hey now old timers....one can leaf through a MC book and still never hear of a Norton. Now an Indian is a different story..... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 20:08:34 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27339 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA04047 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37F3FA15.A1589933@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:02:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hey racers !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, all you track racing types. We got fresh meat for you in my `hood. Got home from work today, parked my steed, and my ears perked. Screaming engines. Two neighborhood kids on mopeds. RACING! Not exacly safe, but they did have full coverage duds and full-face helmets, and our `hood is a one entry, one mile oval, sorta like a big dead end street. Besides, wound out to three zillion RPM they were only doing 25/30. Hunkered down over the tanks, tucked in, and having a blast. Problem is, they'll get busted fer sure. Are there any kiddie type race classes available close by - No VA? We have a kiddie class in outboard racing - 9 to 15 yrs old. OMC racing engines with a carb restrictor to hold them down to 45 MPH or so. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 20:37:25 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27726 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06091; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:37:16 -0400 Message-ID: <37F400D2.3A6A271C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:31:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike T CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS: References: <37F3E57F.1F066908@XXXXXX> <4.2.0.58.19990930195727.00ba1860@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, you poor deprived child :-) Bill old as dirt Mike T wrote: > Hey now old timers....one can leaf through a MC book and still never hear > of a Norton. Now an Indian is a different story..... > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 20:38:19 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27736 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.239.191.76]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA28393; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F42EA3.24B3@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:46:43 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: JOE NAGY Subject: Re: ... riding gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: JOE NAGY > Amazing. I remember when H-D started abusing perfectly good leathers > with the embossing machine, every damn jacket had to have a foot-high > eagle logo smashed into the back panel. Hey, you can still get jackets like this through J.C. Whitney! Great big mofo eagle on all kinds of accessories too. (I'm favoring their black leather "Stroker" cap myself. This is particularly sharp with a matching leather do-rag underneath ;) > Funny you should mention Hein > Gerike--first thing I did when I bought my Dakar (about 10yrs ago) was > rip the logo off the left shoulder. The needle holes have since been > spackled over with bug paste. Excellent verb choice! I prolly should have done the same with my HG. JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 21:19:44 1999 Return-Path: desc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28293 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from descmindspring.com (user-2ivehnj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.70.243]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA03905 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701bf0bab$99cb1680$f346f7a5@com> Reply-To: "Ryan Matteson" From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: MSC Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:23:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone know of any places that offer a Motorcycle Safety Course around teh Virgina/Rosslyn area?? I have been riding for nearly a year now and would like to take teh advanced class if possible and get my Motorcycle license. Thanks for any info, places I can go, etc. Ryan From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 21:23:59 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f25.hotmail.com [209.185.131.88]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA28392 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44228 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 1999 01:23:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19991001012326.44227.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.136.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:23:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.136.137] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hey racers !!! Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:23:26 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Bill, Tell them about YSR 50 racing! They would have a blast on these 5-speed mopeds! Chris Weaver posted a link to the local ysr50 racing guys -- http://www.teamcalamari.com/dox/earra.html This is intended for kids as young as 13 or kids as old as 40 ;) --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 21:46:54 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28746 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11552; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:46:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37F41121.C23D0B03@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:40:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Matteson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSC References: <002701bf0bab$99cb1680$f346f7a5@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call continuing ed at the Alexandria NOVA campus or the Loudin campus. Alex is close. The RiderCourse comes first, than you can take the ERC. Meanwhile, zip down to DMV and get an m/c learners permit so yoiu don't get busted for driving without a permit. Bill Ryan Matteson wrote: > Anyone know of any places that offer a Motorcycle Safety Course around teh > Virgina/Rosslyn > area?? I have been riding for nearly a year now and would like to take teh > advanced class if > possible and get my Motorcycle license. > > Thanks for any info, places I can go, etc. > > Ryan From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 21:48:09 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28773 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11695; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:48:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37F41168.C88ABEA2@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:42:00 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Mueller CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hey racers !!! References: <19991001012326.44227.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks !!! Bill Karl Mueller wrote: > Bill, > > Tell them about YSR 50 racing! They would have a blast on these 5-speed > mopeds! Chris Weaver posted a link to the local ysr50 racing guys -- > http://www.teamcalamari.com/dox/earra.html > > This is intended for kids as young as 13 or kids as old as 40 ;) > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 21:59:31 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29400 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.129.193]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:50:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "Bob Meyer" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:54:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bf0baf$f3c639e0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <852567FC.004C0E6E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Speaking of BMWs and the police, my brother (lives in Myrtle Beach) saw that BMW corporate is donating a mess of M5's for police duty. Apparently some sort of good will gesture. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 21:59:32 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29406 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.129.193]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:53:43 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Why Harley Then? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:57:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bf0bb0$5e01f740$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199909301341.JAA17185@bmdo.mcri.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Good thing they don't have to buy American made police radios. This whole buy [fill in your country] thing is a huge load. If your country makes overpriced, ill-functioning garbage that is unsuited to the task, don't buy it. And sadly, the Kawi KZ1000 is a bit out of date these days. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 21:59:34 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29412 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.129.193]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:43:41 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bob Meyer" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bf0bae$f6f79920$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990930091250.006c6814@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >Then I thought, why don't the police just buy ST1100's > > Because they're not made in Amurrica! Yet they can buy Camaros, BMW's, etc. They also likely can't buy Gold Wings, etc. FWIW, there was a nifty ad run in some Brit mags a few months back. Two page spread of the Pan European (ST1100) in various official guises. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 21:59:37 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29436 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.129.193]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:49:42 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Troutman" , Subject: RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:53:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bf0baf$ce06d5c0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990930095145.015fb7e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Most of > a cop's time is spent cruising around - which makes the hog a perfect > choice. Err... If FL's are so great for racking up tons of miles, why aren't there more of them in the Iron Butt rallys? I'd also venture that a water-cooled plant would be better if those miles were at city speeds (saw two HDs overheated July 4, 1998 downtown. No water cooled bikes on the side of the road. At night.) > Still fast enough to catch most cages..... Err... Umm... You gotta get a better cage. I believe the terminal speed on a Buell is 110+/- (according to Motorcyclist). Take off a few MPH for the FL (anybody with any good numbers on this? I'm guessing 100 or so?) and you are probably right in the range for most modern cars. Sure, not the Hyundais and Kias, but the V-6 Toyotas, Hondas, etc. True, the 180 mph of the CBR1100XX is likely overkill. But I also imagine that the LT-1 Caprices would have no problems outrunning a FL. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 22:25:30 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29832 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14730; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:21:09 -0400 Message-ID: <37F4192C.C8681DD2@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:15:08 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Bob Meyer , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous References: <000201bf0baf$f3c639e0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Mercedes plant in Tuscalossa Alabama donated a Mercedes SUV to every nearby law enforcement agency - complete with stripes and logos. Bill George Howell wrote: > Speaking of BMWs and the police, my brother (lives in Myrtle Beach) saw that > BMW corporate is donating a mess of M5's for police duty. Apparently some > sort of good will gesture. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 22:29:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29923 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA15293; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:29:27 -0400 Message-ID: <37F41B1E.80DBBEAB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:23:26 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous References: <000101bf0baf$ce06d5c0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > > Err... If FL's are so great for racking up tons of miles, why aren't there > more of them in the Iron Butt rallys? I'd also venture that a water-cooled > plant would be better if those miles were at city speeds (saw two HDs > overheated July 4, 1998 downtown. No water cooled bikes on the side of the > road. At night.) > Er .. how about we're to busy getting laid to fool with iron butt rallys? > ... > > Err... Umm... You gotta get a better cage. I believe the terminal speed on a > Buell is 110+/- (according to Motorcyclist). Take off a few MPH for the FL > (anybody with any good numbers on this? I'm guessing 100 or so?) and you are > probably right in the range for most modern cars. An FL at 100? Yeah, I reckon so, but not with me on it. Areodynamically, the FL with a windshield bites. I deduced that from the wide gap in gas milage from loafing at 55 to blasting at 80+. Clean it up with a nice frame mounted fairing and it would cook. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 23:08:46 1999 Return-Path: mcycleracr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00595 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO nabe1re31009) (155.78.60.151) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 20:14:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bf0511$501687e0$973c4e9b@nabe1re31009> From: "Brian McCoy" To: References: <199909302300.TAA26415@meretrix.com> Subject: chicks and bikes.. Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:43:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > Alright....as far as chicks go, I've gotten hit on WAY more than I ever have > before, and the frequent question *I* hear, is "Is it a sportbike???" So, > maybe we're lobbying different "chicks" but I think there is a female > audience for both. Either way, women who RIDE are far better then women who > just sit on the back... :-) > > Kirt > 99 F4 I have to agree with Kirt here.. though it might make a diff. that the chicks I'm running into are at the race-track, and KNOW the difference between a HD and your standard rocket bike (be it JP/IT/UK/whatever produced). Just gotta know where to go.. and the trak's the place to pick up the cool women (hrm, racers are better than riders.. Cornerworkers are next.. then you have just the riders.. in anycase, LOTS of eye-candy at the racetrack!) Brian McCoy _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 23:16:49 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00713 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.169]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:11:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Ned Suesse" , Subject: RE: police motorcycles, etc. Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bf0bbb$3622bf60$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 About two years ago, there was a problem in Balt. with kids riding dirt bikes around on city streets. The City outfitted some dp's with lights, and were able to follow them when they went offroad. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 30 23:16:50 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00715 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.169]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:11:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bob Meyer" , Subject: RE: police motorcycles, etc. Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:15:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bf0bbb$350e9040$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990930112126.006c9eac@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > As for the riding gear, I recall reading that some police departments > actually experimented with full face helmets and found the public had a > highly negative reaction to not being able to see the officer's face. And > taking them off and putting them back on is a real PITA if you have to do > it dozens of times every day. This doesn't excuse the shorty helment with > the leather ear flaps that some departments apparently still use, though. > As for shirtsleeves, I guess it depends on the environment, but I couldn't > stand wearing a leather jacket if I was going to spend all day in downtown > city traffic. Shoei Synchrotec, Nolan N-100, BMW System 4 helmets. Not as strong as a good Arai at the chin, but a bit tougher than my jaw. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows"