From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 11:40:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04639 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04088 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (known smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17263 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:01 -0400 Sender: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (user-38lc44n.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.151]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with SMTP id LAA25945 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980903114212.006a0bdc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:42:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Virago Owner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my way to the bookstore, I passed by a lovely young woman parking a Virago next to the Georgetown University Medical School building. Does anyone know her? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 11:41:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04650 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04215 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17285 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 15:40:53 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14895 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: R1 or GSXR750 - neither In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 98-09-02 21:25:32 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > > << Really learn to shred then consider a R1 or Gixxer. No > offense intended here Sean, just stating the facts. > >> > He said he wanted something more comfortable for longer trips and fast. R-1 > and GSXR are probably less suited to long trips than the TLR. With both a VFR > and Zx-9R i can tell you the 9 is more comfortable believe it or not. Whether > he should ride a bike with the performance of a 9 (or GSXR or R-1) is another > question. > > Ciao, > > fred The ZX-9 is *more* comfortable than a VFR? err.. hmm. I think I need to go test ride one of those then.. problem really being, not many kawi dealers are like "Oh yeah, here ya go!" for their pride and joy. Perhaps somewhere down the road I can fenagle a lister into a 20 mile swap or something like that! Still, interesting. What do you find more comfortable about it? What model vfr? Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 12:03:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05650 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05618 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18159 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA00830; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:01:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-24.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.56) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000678; Thu Sep 3 10:59:38 1998 Message-ID: <35EEA65F.1947@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 07:23:27 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: anything on Sunday or Monday ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I cant make the poker run saturday, anybody know of anything going on or planning any rides on Sunday or Monday, It will be my last chance for a while probably, I start working night shift over the weekends starting next week... UGH... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 12:08:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05746 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05774 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18556 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA22750; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:07:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:07:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virago Owner In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980903114212.006a0bdc@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Was it _her_ bike? Sorry...the question begged to be asked! :-) On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > On my way to the bookstore, I passed by a lovely young woman parking a > Virago next to the Georgetown University Medical School building. Does > anyone know her? > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 12:21:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06656 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05951 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18997 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:22:24 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:21:59 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D'oh.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I think you're right. Scooter >>> "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" 09/03/98 = 09:06AM >>> Someone told me there was a GAP in the bikes so I could clear some debris from the track.. I think they lied, what do you think? <>=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 12:31:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07188 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06232 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19529 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM8ZXZ4F; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:30:37 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19980901.230648.8199.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:30:37 EDT Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally chiming) in on your discussions? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 12:31:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07199 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06239 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19543 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:31:16 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 03 Sep 1998 12:31:10 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 03 Sep 1998 12:31:10 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0587435EEC44E04A-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0587435EEC44E04A Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0587435EEC44E04A*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 03 Sep 1998 12:31:10 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested), "Thomas H. Gimer" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Cycles USA courtesies & other shops Message-Id: <0587435EEC44E04A*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I've got to agree with both of you. When I need to pick something up in a hurry I generally run over to Cycles USA and have had little, if any trouble getting what I need. Their service department does suck for timeliness though. On Monday I wanted to get something checked out on my bike and they told me to bring it in next Friday (9/18). I told them I'll go elsewhere, thank you very much! I got my last tire from CAD, I brought the back wheel in, picked a tire, went and got lunch and by the time I got back it was ready. Service the way it should be. Don B---------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 12:46:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07765 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06479 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20136 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA24300; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:45:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980903164530.OYTY611@localHost>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:45:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: D'oh.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980903164530.OYTY611@localHost> Aa-yup! Aa-yup! Aa-yup! Nice forward lean angle though Brian :) T Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B8EC@XXXXXX> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: D'oh.. Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:06:56 -0400 Someone told me there was a GAP in the bikes so I could clear some debris from the track.. I think they lied, what do you think? <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 12:50:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07875 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06639 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20325 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:51:15 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B904@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'bike.dealer@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc'" Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:48:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" No problems here so long as you don't advertise... -----Original Message----- From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 12:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally chiming) in on your discussions? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 12:56:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08227 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06770 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20639 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WAORa02819 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <785795e2.35eeca14@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:55:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dealer snooping (just kiddin) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I have no objections. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 12:57:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08302 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06788 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20679 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 535; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:56:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980903125647.0131ccb0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:56:50 -0400 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We hope you are with Coleman. At 12:30 PM 9/3/98 EDT, Bikes R Us wrote: >Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally >chiming) in on your discussions? > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 13:01:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08602 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06876 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20798 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 17:01:19 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19614 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:01:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <19980901.230648.8199.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Bikes R Us wrote: > Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally > chiming) in on your discussions? > I dont mind. It may provide you some valuable insight into what customers like/dont like - and if you end up improving your service because of it, then the list is doing its job! Where in virginia, if I may ask? Perhaps if you guys are a reasonable dealer, we can send some business your way, and you guys can throw us some frills (like tire mounting when you buy a tire!). But either way, I dont see a problem. Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 13:15:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09333 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07161 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21296 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 170; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:13:25 -0400 Message-ID: <35EECE4F.27410CFA@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:13:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: D'oh.. References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B8EC@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Run Brian Run! :) McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Someone told me there was a GAP in the bikes so I could clear some > debris from the track.. I think they lied, what do you think? > > <> > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 13:19:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09386 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07249 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21502 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA23487; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA23707; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA21233; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:18:41 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA21105; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:18:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199809031718.KAA21105@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:16:54 -0700 From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virago Owner Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:11:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Hee, hee, hee, could that be me?! :-) No, it's not, but I do now own an old Virago. Took possession of it yesterday. It's a 1982 Virago 750. Needs a little work but I think it was a good deal. Eventually I'll pass it along to my brother who wants to use it for long weekend commutes from TN to GA. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 8:42 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Virago Owner > > On my way to the bookstore, I passed by a lovely young woman parking a > Virago next to the Georgetown University Medical School building. Does > anyone know her? > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 13:19:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09390 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07253 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21505 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809031719.NAA21505@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AF3B224029E; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:17:47 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:21:59 -0400 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: VA motorcycle dealer participation In-Reply-To: <19980901.230648.8199.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glad to have you here. It'd be nice to get another point of view. Probably shouldn't advertise, though off-list responses to people shouldn't incur any wrath. Personally, I'd like to hear more from dealers, but as soon as some people find out they're in business to earn a living they get shouted down. Chris Norloff At 12:30 PM 9/3/98 -0400, Bikes R Us wrote: >Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally >chiming) in on your discussions? > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 13:20:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09477 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07262 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21542 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 295; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <35EECF62.899BFC21@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:18:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: louis@XXXXXX, Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: DC-Cycles List , Tracy Horstman Subject: Re: Blue Knights Poker Run References: <199809031419.KAA20933@shell.clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis: Sounds great. Tracy and I have a rare opportunity to do a poker run together this weekend (kids in PA with grandparents - woo hoo!) Anita: Want company for breakfast? We'll be there around 8:00 am. :-) Regards, Dale (the Horkster) louis@XXXXXX wrote: > > This Saturday, 5 September, a few of us have discussed > going on the Blue Knights Poker Run, starting/ending in > Culpeper, VA. > > We will be meeting at the Old Country Buffet in Manassas, VA. > For those who would like to eat breakfast there, Anita will be > arriving 8:00 - 8:15ish. For those who just want to ride down, > we will be meeting about 8:45 for a 9:00 departure time. > > The run starts and ends at the Culpeper Holiday Inn (Tom Mersch > is in the process of finding better directions, as those given > are quite vague). For the most part we'll just be running down > Rt. 29. > > Registration is from 9:00 - 11:00 am. > > $8 for a poker hand (discount on 2nd hand). Prizes are a portion > of the entry money (15%, 10%, 5%). Profits support local charities. > > If there are a lot of people, we may find it better to split groups. > > That is all the information I know so far. I don't know how long, or > how far the run will be. > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 13:22:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09508 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07286 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21653 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA24373; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA25122; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA22565; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:21:10 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA22556; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:21:08 -0700 Received: by hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDD724.8FF0F650@XXXXXX>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:21:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: CAMS Ride Sunday, Sept 6 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:15:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 20 TEXT, 59 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Anita and I will be going. 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M5%0[;#U(445.1U]-4T`#T``0````$`````````"P`I```` M```+`",```````(!?P`!````40```#QC/553)6$]051434%)3"5P/4%45"5L M/4A114Y'7TU31S R+3DX,#DP,S$W,34Q-EHM,3(P-T!H<2UM > > > X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 13:46:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10923 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09063 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23670 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:46:14 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CCB2@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: anything on Sunday or Monday ? Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:48:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Ken, The CAMS are having a ride on Sunday. Stands for Capital Area Motorhead Society -- every bit as well organized as dc-cycles, variety of bikes (extremely few Harley), moderate to ocassionally fast riding pace. Forwarded from John Weinstein's notice: i know it's been a while so let's do it. don't ask me for details since i haven't any. what i do know is that the ride will be ~100-125 mi. some time ago, a few folks asked if we could do shorter rides so new riders, wives, girl friends, small farm animals, etc could attend. o meet at the fairfax silver diner (west ox road off rt 50, near fair oaks mall) at 0830 for breakfast. (Rt 50 East, West Ox Rd South, look for Silver Diner on left at a traffic light before I-66) o ride departs 1000 sharp (ha ha ha ha) (but they usually do leave by 1030) o i expect we'll be done by 1500. please arrive with a full tank of gas (or at least 75 mi.) if i remember, i'll bring the cams t-shirts. i still owe shirts to 4 people and even have a few left to sell. i'll be out of town thru fri night so if you have any qs, pse take them up with the cams executive committee. john Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken [SMTP:shephar1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 10:23 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: anything on Sunday or Monday ? > > I know I cant make the poker run saturday, anybody know of anything > going on or planning any rides on Sunday or Monday, It will be my last > chance for a while probably, I start working night shift over the > weekends starting next week... UGH... > -- > Ken S. > HDKnight > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 13:57:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11463 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09201 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24068 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:58:39 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:58:10 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Agreed. >>> "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" 09/03/98 = 12:48PM >>> No problems here so long as you don't advertise... -----Original Message----- From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 12:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Subject:=09 Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally chiming) in on your discussions? =09 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com=20 Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 14:07:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12126 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09460 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24495 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zEdn6-0004gq-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:07:28 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:06:44 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9D92F9@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , hgg@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virago Owner Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:04:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 1:41 PM > To: hgg@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Virago Owner > > ..you just saw her *parking* it right? Her boyfriend probably asked > her to put the kickstand down and stand by it while he runs inside.. > ;-) > > -aki > > > On my way to the bookstore, I passed by a lovely young woman > parking a > > Virago next to the Georgetown University Medical School building. > Does > > anyone know her? > > > > Harry > > Bethesda, MD > > '97 BMW R1100RT > > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > > "The more you live, the less you die." > > > > > > > > X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 14:16:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12668 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10464 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psasolar.psa.pencom.com (known psasolar.colltech.com [208.229.236.14]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25257 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ps300test ([165.117.240.15]) by psasolar.psa.pencom.com (VER/What/1.0) with SMTP id NAA03908 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:15:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001d01bdd767$00e9af40$0ff075a5@ps300test.wsmg> From: "Joshua F. Canary" To: "cycles" Subject: rookie help Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:16:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'm extremely anxious to get my first bike but I have some logistical questions that I'd like some help with. 1) How have people dealt with the akward period when they don't yet own a bike but would like to learn to ride to see if it is something they would be willing to pour money into. I don't know anyone with a bike and a checkbook that would be kind/foolish enough to let me learn on it. Is there anything other than the MSF classes which seem to be booked until Y2K? 2) Can anyone reccomend a resource for me to learn more about bikes so I can make an intelligent decision when I purchase my first. 3) Reccomended types of 'trainee' bikes. I'm looking for something that will wet my pallete for something more without tearing my head off. I'm about 6'1,220 if that helps to figure out a make/model. 4) Any trusted resources where a fella can buy his first used/new bike. Thanks for the help. jfc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 14:18:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12694 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10666 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25463 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM874N96; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:18:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19980902.003623.9839.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,7-9 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:18:02 EDT At this point, I'd rather remain anonymous regarding which dealership this is. Not trying to be evasive, just trying to keep a low profile both on the list and here at work (the owner has Email too -- and people talk...) Certainly those of you who are at work right now can understand. However, if you have a question or discussion that needs a dealer's perspective, throw it out there and I'll try to give you the inside track. --Bikes R Us-- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 14:20:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12784 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10704 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25529 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tstraining3 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01601 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809031820.OAA01601@smtp1.erols.com> X-Sender: sled@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:27:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wes Fleming Subject: Re: VA motorcycle dealer participation In-Reply-To: <199809031719.NAA21505@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <19980901.230648.8199.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've never minded paying a slightly higher price at a local dealer for a few reasons... stimulates the local economy (MY economy!) helps develop a relationship with the local dealership pretty much guarantees you have somebody to complain to in person (if needed) everybody's gotta make a living Besides, after a while you become known as a regular (and good, and happy, and ...) customer and they are more willing to cut you a deal. Sure, you might only be buying a jacket or a helmet now, but imagine in 3 years when you want that hot new bike and the dealer remembers that you've been buying your stuff there for years... I think having a dealer reading the list would only help him/her/them. My advice would be to lurk, however, and not chime in on much -- thereby reducing the risk of getting flamed. Contact on the dealer's part would probably be better off-list...that would also keep our little flame-fests down to a manageable size, don't you think? A dealer reading the list would know what kinds of things we look for in a dealer -- and what kinds of things we hate! Anyway, my $.02 w At 13:21 03-09-98 -0400, you wrote: >Glad to have you here. It'd be nice to get another point of view. > >Probably shouldn't advertise, though off-list responses to people shouldn't >incur any wrath. Personally, I'd like to hear more from dealers, but as >soon as some people find out they're in business to earn a living they get >shouted down. > >Chris Norloff > > >At 12:30 PM 9/3/98 -0400, Bikes R Us wrote: >>Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally >>chiming) in on your discussions? >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >>Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > Wes Fleming, MA sled@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" Yes, the helmet matches on purpose. No, my wife did NOT pick it out for me. http://shadow.newspeak.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 14:31:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13388 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10885 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25861 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc1-s11.wizard.net (tc1-s11.wizard.net [206.161.15.41]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27370; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:30:45 -0400 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Blue Knights Poker Run Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:35:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3607e07c.228788922@smtp.wizard.net> References: <199809031419.KAA20933@shell.clark.net> <35EECF62.899BFC21@tidalwave.net> In-Reply-To: <35EECF62.899BFC21@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:18:26 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Want company for breakfast? We'll be there around >8:00 am. :-) Dale,=20 That'd be great! Now I'll be sure to get up early enough! :-) I guess I'll be leaving Sterling by 7:15 am at the latest (ack!, that is early!!) The Old Country Buffet has a great breakfast, well worth the extra effort! :-) I noticed that you had my email address as "2xracers@XXXXXX" -- I've changed Internet providers so that address will no longer work... my new address is "2xracers@XXXXXX". Just an FYI! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 14:40:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13797 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11019 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26207 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA06090; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980903183917.QBOB611@localHost>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:39:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dealers on the list?? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980903183917.QBOB611@localHost> I don't mind, if you don't mind identifying yourself explicitely. And if you don't use this list to spam us. Be forwarned though that this list of people are fairly negatively opinionated towards certain dealers in the area, and some of the practices by dealers in general. Todd To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19980901.230648.8199.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:30:37 EDT Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally chiming) in on your discussions? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 14:40:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13839 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11046 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26219 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc1-s11.wizard.net (tc1-s11.wizard.net [206.161.15.41]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28365; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:40:13 -0400 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Joshua F. Canary" Cc: "cycles" Subject: Re: rookie help Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:44:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3608e256.229262960@smtp.wizard.net> References: <001d01bdd767$00e9af40$0ff075a5@ps300test.wsmg> In-Reply-To: <001d01bdd767$00e9af40$0ff075a5@ps300test.wsmg> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:16:05 -0400, "Joshua F. Canary" wrote: > Is there anything >other than the MSF classes which seem to be booked until Y2K? The MSF class *is* very popular, with good reason. I've heard that you can just show up on Friday night, and if there are any no-shows you can take the class. Can't remember where I heard this, might not be true! But, if you live somewhat near the NVCC Loudoun campus, it might be worth a shot. >2) Can anyone reccomend a resource for me to learn more about bikes so I= can >make an intelligent decision when I purchase my first. You can probably find out more than you ever wanted to know about motorcycles by cruising the Internet. There is almost too much info out there! :-) >3) Reccomended types of 'trainee' bikes. I'm looking for something that = will >wet my pallete for something more without tearing my head off. I'm about >6'1,220 if that helps to figure out a make/model. I'm sure you'll get lots of suggestions... but I'll throw in mine.. a Honda Nighthawk 750 (1991 and up), or an older one if you are handy. Good solid bike, low maintenance, will probably run forever. Since it is a "standard" insurance rates will be reasonable. They seem to hold their value very well.... I bought a '95 last November and sold it six months later for $100 less than I paid for it. Anyhow, that's my two cents! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 14:58:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14918 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11926 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.clark.net (known postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26785 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05220 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24091 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809031858.OAA24091@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: rookie help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:58:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <3608e256.229262960@smtp.wizard.net> from "2xracers@wizard.net" at Sep 3, 98 02:44:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Is there anything > >other than the MSF classes which seem to be booked until Y2K? > > The MSF class *is* very popular, with good reason. I've heard that > you can just show up on Friday night, and if there are any no-shows > you can take the class. Can't remember where I heard this, might not > be true! But, if you live somewhat near the NVCC Loudoun campus, it > might be worth a shot. You can come as stand-by at Alexandria, but I believe Loudoun does NOT allow stand-byes. At least that was the policy when I was being trained as an instructor there. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:00:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15101 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12267 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26858 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B90E@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'Joshua F. Canary'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: rookie help Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:57:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I've got an XT250 that you're free to use and abuse to see if you want to ride.. Located in Maryland (College Park area).. It's so beat up you couldn't possibly make it uglier.. This is probably the best resource for learning there is.. we've probably got hundreds of years and millions of miles of experiences between the whole group. You'll pretty much be able to buy/ride anything.. I'm 6'4", 220lbs and rode an old honday VF500f comfortably for over a year.. suspension was shot, but I rode it.. Depending on your budget and tastes, we can probably suggest a bike that will fit exactly the nitch you're looking to fill -----Original Message----- I'm extremely anxious to get my first bike but I have some logistical questions that I'd like some help with. 1) How have people dealt with the akward period when they don't yet own a bike but would like to learn to ride to see if it is something they would be willing to pour money into. I don't know anyone with a bike and a checkbook that would be kind/foolish enough to let me learn on it. Is there anything other than the MSF classes which seem to be booked until Y2K? 2) Can anyone reccomend a resource for me to learn more about bikes so I can make an intelligent decision when I purchase my first. 3) Reccomended types of 'trainee' bikes. I'm looking for something that will wet my pallete for something more without tearing my head off. I'm about 6'1,220 if that helps to figure out a make/model. 4) Any trusted resources where a fella can buy his first used/new bike. Thanks for the help. jfc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:00:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15108 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12271 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26866 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA20363; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Alex Milenkovic cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rookie help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I think this part is usually done by suckering a friend who rides to teach > you how. I also believe one of the listers has an old, beat up ninja (Leon > was it?) with a big fuel cell on the back (which he can remove).. and > which he keeps around for this sole purpose - teaching new folks how to > ride. That, and showing off that the mutant camel can still run! Er, Leon's ninja250 is his daily driver and a cool bike to boot. I don't think it's necessary to offend Leon simply because you haven't paid enough attention to pick this info up. Leon puts more mileage on that thing than 99.999% of riders. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:13:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15613 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12464 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27263 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p196.smart.net [206.97.127.196]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA05738; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:13:05 -0400 Message-ID: <01d501bdd76e$f3b2d600$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Alex Milenkovic" , Subject: Re: rookie help Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:13:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Alex Milenkovic To: Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 3:05 PM Subject: Re: rookie help >> 1) How have people dealt with the akward period when they don't yet own a >> bike but would like to learn to ride to see if it is something they would be >> willing to pour money into. I don't know anyone with a bike and a checkbook >> that would be kind/foolish enough to let me learn on it. Is there anything >> other than the MSF classes which seem to be booked until Y2K? > >I think this part is usually done by suckering a friend who rides to teach >you how. I also believe one of the listers has an old, beat up ninja (Leon >was it?) with a big fuel cell on the back (which he can remove).. and >which he keeps around for this sole purpose - teaching new folks how to >ride. That, and showing off that the mutant camel can still run! Umm.....you should make sure you know what you're talking about before you speak. That "beat-up" Ninja is Leon's daily transportation as well as what he rides on the endurance runs he takes part in. Perhaps your beat up VFR should serve as the DC Cycles learner bike. >Alex. >'94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:19:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15987 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12553 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27388 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 19:18:43 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00655 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:18:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Quick Insta-Apology In-Reply-To: <01d501bdd76e$f3b2d600$c27f61ce@richard> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, wrote: > Umm.....you should make sure you know what you're talking about before you > speak. That "beat-up" Ninja is Leon's daily transportation as well as what > he rides on the endurance runs he takes part in. > > Perhaps your beat up VFR should serve as the DC Cycles learner bike. Okay. I have apparently made quite a snafu as in the span of 5 minutes I have gotten two flames. I'm sure leon's bike is wonderful, but some post I read a while back described it as this. Apparently, it was wrong, I was wrong, and I will never slander Leon's daily commute bike. I really meant no offense, and was under the impression this was an old junker that got dragged out every now and then. Now, with foot firmly in mouth, I'll go into the corner and cry. Leon, forgive me for insulting your noble steed, and I'll buy you a beer sometime. Please also note how I phrased it: > I also believe one of the listers has an old, beat up ninja (Leon > was it?) with a big fuel cell on the back (which he can remove) I attempted to make it clear that I was not sure about this. Boy, did I ever get bitten in the ass by what I thought was an innocent comment. And I dont know about the VFR as a learner bike. Too heavy and all that (grin). So. Alex. '94 VFR 750 (thoroughly toasty) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:21:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16067 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12584 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27453 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA01468; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA21397; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA12213; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:20:38 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA12201; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:20:36 -0700 Received: by hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDD735.402BE920@XXXXXX>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:20:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: rookie help Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:14:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 26 TEXT Leon's Ninja is NOT beat up and old! It has character and a snazzy paint scheme. Plus it's a blast to ride. :-) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 12:00 PM >To: Alex Milenkovic >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: rookie help > >> I think this part is usually done by suckering a friend who rides to teach >> you how. I also believe one of the listers has an old, beat up ninja (Leon >> was it?) with a big fuel cell on the back (which he can remove).. and >> which he keeps around for this sole purpose - teaching new folks how to >> ride. That, and showing off that the mutant camel can still run! > >Er, Leon's ninja250 is his daily driver and a cool bike to boot. I don't >think it's necessary to offend Leon simply because you haven't paid enough >attention to pick this info up. Leon puts more mileage on that thing than >99.999% of riders. > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:23:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16096 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12632 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27517 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:25:19 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:25:08 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: canary@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rookie help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The NOVA campus toward Springfield, I think on Duke Street, usually isn't = that bad. Your best bet to get in is to call in March or April. They = usually don't fill up for the rest of the year until June. It's a nice = weekend class and you learn a lot. As for what bike, I don't really know = since I'm kinda new at this also, but Coleman PowerSport was real good to = me and Springfield Cycle Sport has been good to me also. Hope that helps. Scooter >>> "Joshua F. Canary" 09/03/98 02:16PM >>> I'm extremely anxious to get my first bike but I have some logistical questions that I'd like some help with. 1) How have people dealt with the akward period when they don't yet own a bike but would like to learn to ride to see if it is something they would = be willing to pour money into. I don't know anyone with a bike and a = checkbook that would be kind/foolish enough to let me learn on it. Is there anything other than the MSF classes which seem to be booked until Y2K? 2) Can anyone reccomend a resource for me to learn more about bikes so I = can make an intelligent decision when I purchase my first. 3) Reccomended types of 'trainee' bikes. I'm looking for something that = will wet my pallete for something more without tearing my head off. I'm about 6'1,220 if that helps to figure out a make/model. 4) Any trusted resources where a fella can buy his first used/new bike. Thanks for the help. jfc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:27:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16484 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13087 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27606 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 277; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:26:54 -0400 Message-ID: <35EEEDA1.81C8DC89@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:27:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Milenkovic CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rookie help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex Milenkovic wrote: > > I also believe one of the listers has an old, beat up ninja (Leon > was it?) with a big fuel cell on the back (which he can remove).. and > which he keeps around for this sole purpose - teaching new folks how to > ride. That, and showing off that the mutant camel can still run! Well, I doubt that's the *sole* reason he keeps the Ninja 250 around. He says it's great to ride long distances on, or something. Sent me an email yesterday about riding it to Nebraska this week. What a nut. I envy him. :) Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:29:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16604 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13652 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27660 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:30:53 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:30:15 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: canary@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rookie help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You're right Anita. As long as your are registered for a class on a LATER = date, you can show up on Friday night and wait. They put your name on a = list as first come first serve and then if someone doesn't show, they let = the people on the list participate. But, you have to have registered for = a future class. If you get in earlier, they cancel your later registration= . Scooter >>> Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> 09/03/98 02:44PM >>> On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:16:05 -0400, "Joshua F. Canary" wrote: > Is there anything >other than the MSF classes which seem to be booked until Y2K? The MSF class *is* very popular, with good reason. I've heard that you can just show up on Friday night, and if there are any no-shows you can take the class. Can't remember where I heard this, might not be true! But, if you live somewhat near the NVCC Loudoun campus, it might be worth a shot. Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:38:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17091 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14217 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28117 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16954 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:36:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Wes Fleming'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VA motorcycle dealer participation Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:35:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Wes, you haven't been on the list very long have you? Some of the dealers around here are NEVER going to give you a better price no matter how much stuff you have bought from them. YMMV. Glenn > I've never minded paying a slightly higher price at a local dealer for a > few reasons... > stimulates the local economy (MY economy!) > helps develop a relationship with the local dealership > pretty much guarantees you have somebody to complain to in person > (if needed) > everybody's gotta make a living > > Besides, after a while you become known as a regular (and good, and happy, > and ...) customer and they are more willing to cut you a deal. Sure, you > might only be buying a jacket or a helmet now, but imagine in 3 years when > you want that hot new bike and the dealer remembers that you've been > buying > your stuff there for years... > > I think having a dealer reading the list would only help him/her/them. My > advice would be to lurk, however, and not chime in on much -- thereby > reducing the risk of getting flamed. Contact on the dealer's part would > probably be better off-list...that would also keep our little flame-fests > down to a manageable size, don't you think? A dealer reading the list > would know what kinds of things we look for in a dealer -- and what kinds > of things we hate! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:45:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17335 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14875 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known [199.122.55.11] [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28358 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'bike.dealer@XXXXXX'" , "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:45:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain ditto. > ---------- > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02[SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 12:48 PM > To: 'bike.dealer@XXXXXX' > Cc: 'dc' > > No problems here so long as you don't advertise... > > -----Original Message----- > From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 12:31 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: > > Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and > occasionally > chiming) in on your discussions? > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet > e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:55:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17824 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15027 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28868 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WSSCa11275 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:54:59 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Nebraska (was Re: rookie help) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Sent me an email yesterday about riding it (ninja 250) to Nebraska this week. Ooh, Nebraska! The panhandle part of that state has some great riding. The roads are scenic and almost completely empty. Don't forget to detour to Alliance to see Carhenge. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 15:58:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18188 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15065 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28979 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WVEAa25247 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:57:28 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: MSF standby (Re: rookie help) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 At the PG training center you can get in if you are there Thursday evening and there are some no-shows. Call the MSF people, who should be able to tell you how many people are enrolled in each class. That can give you a good idea which class to try to crash. Colleen >> you can take the class. Can't remember where I heard this, might not >> be true! But, if you live somewhat near the NVCC Loudoun campus, it >> might be worth a shot. > >You can come as stand-by at Alexandria, but I believe Loudoun does NOT >allow stand-byes. At least that was the policy when I was being >trained as an instructor there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 17:06:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21310 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22846 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01715 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from craig ([208.195.115.46] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA00805 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:06:20 -0400 Received: by craig with Microsoft Mail id <01BDD75C.6AE1FC00@craig>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:00:56 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDD75C.6AE1FC00@craig> From: Craig Johnston To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Accident. Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:11:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well it appears another of the brethren has gone down ;~( Tonight on Rt. 621 outside Arcola a Red Honda sport bike evidently ran = through the stop sign at the intersection of Rt. 621 & Brambleton park = Rd.... The rider hit a van broadside knocking it over and into the ditch on the = other side of the road...... Was reported to have said to the paramedic "don't scratch my bike"...... Sounds as though he was in shock.....Let's say a prayer for the guy and = hope he is going to be O.K. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 17:15:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21790 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23208 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (known x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02199 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jeep.guy@XXXXXX) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM9H97KA; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:15:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Funny (to me, anyway) Message-ID: <19980902.030529.7119.0.jeep.guy@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5 From: jeep.guy@XXXXXX (Erik von Darkmoor) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:15:48 EDT I rode for a few miles today alongside a Vienna (motorcycle) police officer. His license plate frame read: "Smile, I could be behind you!" He told me at a stoplight that a lot of the motor guys have those frames. He also complimented me on the Vulcan Classic I was riding. He said he wished the city would buy them for the squad. ;-) I said, "Nah, if you rode one of these you'd never be able to catch me on my ZX... ;-) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 17:41:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22948 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24214 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02987 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:41:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id PIRUa16074; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76673b3c.35ef0c8d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:39:25 EDT To: alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: R1 or GSXR750 - neither Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-09-03 11:53:05 EDT, alexm@XXXXXX writes: << Still, interesting. What do you find more comfortable about it? What model vfr? >> 86-VFR-750 Seat is more comfortable (fatter), bars are at a more comfortable angle (for me), and pegs require less leg straightening on long trips. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 17:45:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23224 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24756 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03076 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:47:25 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:46:59 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jeep.guy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Funny (to me, anyway) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I would list that one in the funny category. Especially the comment about = the ZX. :-) Scooter >>> Erik von Darkmoor 09/03/98 05:15PM >>> I rode for a few miles today alongside a Vienna (motorcycle) police officer. His license plate frame read: "Smile, I could be behind you!" He told me at a stoplight that a lot of the motor guys have those frames. He also complimented me on the Vulcan Classic I was riding. He said he wished the city would buy them for the squad. ;-) I said, "Nah, if you rode one of these you'd never be able to catch me on my ZX... ;-) =20 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com=20 Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 17:50:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23341 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24876 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03184 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:50:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id RKWWa08191; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <88825bd6.35ef0e28@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:46:16 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 <> Not me. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 18:11:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24219 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28916 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03979 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr8-dialup17.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EYQ00EA8AYBX3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:11:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:07:59 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Cycles USA courtesies & other shops To: DC Cycles Message-id: <00d201bdd7a0$763d25e0$214737a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Thomas wrote: >My only complaint with Cycles USA has been with the service department, who >told me I had to make an appointment to have a tire (to be purchased from >them) mounted and the earliest opportunity for that was 3 days later. >Granted they must have been pretty busy, but hey, it's just a tire mount (.5 >hour). Yeah, I grew up 5 min. from Cycles USA and their service dept. has been slow(understatement) for as long as I can remember. CAD has been very good to me and they always give me a good price. True, they don't have a big inventory, but I always make sure to give them a call when I'm looking for something specific. I personally like Ellicott City Motorsports. Everyone I've delt with there has been more than willing to help me with whatever I wanted and will match/beat anyone's price. It's a small shop, but very friendly. They also seem to carry a lot of parts for Yamaha's, which is a plus for me, that and they're 10 min. from my house. Jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 18:41:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25612 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00605 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06072 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA21726; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:40:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-17.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.81) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021624; Thu Sep 3 17:40:11 1998 Message-ID: <35EF52F2.7AFC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:39:46 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anything on Sunday or Monday ? References: <35EEA65F.1947@ix.netcom.com> <35EEFB8A.9E9DE013@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > Ken, > > I might be able to make the Sunday CAMS ride, it'll be my first > ride with those guys. Still interested in a ride on the Concours? > I'll even put the stock shield back on, I've got it around here > somewhere... :) > I wouldn't turn down the chance to check out a Sportster... :) > Dale, guys, Yeah, the CAMS ride sounds great, I am plannning on making it, will probably leave here by 7am to het to the Silver Diner on time, especially since I am not sure where it is. I'll just run East on 50 from Rt 28 and hopefully find it from there. Looking forward to seeing everybody again. Especially since the lates forecast is predicting absolutely gorgeous riding weather. Ride Safe, See ya on Sunday. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 18:42:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25689 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00619 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06087 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA21930; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:42:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-17.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.81) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021833; Thu Sep 3 17:42:05 1998 Message-ID: <35EF536C.2A1E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:41:48 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: CAMS Ride Sunday, Sept 6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > Anita and I will be going. Hope to see some of you folks there!!! :-) > > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > From: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" > Subject: CAMS ride 9/6 (sunday) > Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:42:00 -0400 > > The ride will be ~100-125 mi. some time ago, a few folks asked if we > could do shorter rides so new riders, wives, girl friends, small farm > animals, etc could attend. > ** meet at the fairfax silver diner (west ox road off rt 50, near > fair oaks mall) at 0830 for breakfast. > ** ride departs 1000 sharp (ha ha ha ha) Looking forward to it, weather should be great, New rear tire on the bike ;), Ready to Roll!! Hope to see everyone there....All I have to do is find the place hehe;) -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 18:48:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26072 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01293 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06253 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA22429; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-17.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.81) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022374; Thu Sep 3 17:46:50 1998 Message-ID: <35EF5480.72A2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:46:24 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: CAMS Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, Is the Silver Diner North or South off Rt 50 on W. Old Ox Rd? -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 19:23:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27652 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01920 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06973 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA26761; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:22:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-17.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.81) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026653; Thu Sep 3 18:22:03 1998 Message-ID: <35EF5CC5.2AD0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:21:41 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anything on Sunday or Monday ? References: <35EEA65F.1947@ix.netcom.com> <35EEFB8A.9E9DE013@tidalwave.net> <35EF52F2.7AFC@ix.netcom.com> <360d2085.245185186@smtp.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > Ken - > > What direction will you be coming from? If you are doing 15S to 7E to > 28S you can hook up with me and Robert (Vanslyke?). We were going to > meet up at the Burger King in Sterling (I think you were there before) > around 8 am. I know where the Silver Diner is, so I should be able to > lead the way! :-) > > Let me know if you are interested! See you on Sunday either way. :-) > > Anita Hi Anita, That sounds great, I can easily meet you guys there at 8am. Was that the Burger King on the North side of Rt 7 just East of Rt 28. Ive been using the Greenway/Toll Road to go to work so much , I have lost all sense of Rt 7 anymore. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 20:21:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00393 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02747 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08263 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29066 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc2-s18.wizard.net (tc2-s18.wizard.net [206.161.15.94]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21649; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:20:51 -0400 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: shephar1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anything on Sunday or Monday ? Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:25:14 -0400 Message-ID: <360e3246.249729995@smtp.wizard.net> References: <35EEA65F.1947@ix.netcom.com> <35EEFB8A.9E9DE013@tidalwave.net> <35EF52F2.7AFC@ix.netcom.com> <360d2085.245185186@smtp.wizard.net> <35EF5CC5.2AD0@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <35EF5CC5.2AD0@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:21:41 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Anita, That sounds great, I can easily meet you guys there at 8am.=20 >Was that the Burger King on the North side of Rt 7 just East of Rt 28.=20 >Ive been using the Greenway/Toll Road to go to work so much , I have >lost all sense of Rt 7 anymore. Yep, that would be the correct Burger King. Once you go past Route 28 (heading east on 7) you will wind up doing a u-turn at the second traffic light in order to get to the Burger King. It is on the north side of Rte 7. Anyone else heading in from the west, or the Sterling area, is welcome to meet up there. I'd like to leave around 8 am or so. Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 20:39:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01198 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02901 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08798 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-43.s43.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.43]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23224; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EF369B.3150A886@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:38:51 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CAMS Ride References: <35EF5480.72A2@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit South..about three or four stop lights down on the left... Ken wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Is the Silver Diner North or South off Rt 50 on W. Old Ox Rd? > -- > Ken S. > HDKnight > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood, WV -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 20:41:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01212 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02929 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08872 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:38:27 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Joshua F. Canary" , "cycles" Subject: RE: rookie help Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:37:59 -0400 Message-ID: <004701bdd79c$447db140$010000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <001d01bdd767$00e9af40$0ff075a5@ps300test.wsmg> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I'm extremely anxious to get my first bike but I have some logistical > questions that I'd like some help with. > > 1) How have people dealt with the akward period when they don't yet own a > bike but would like to learn to ride to see if it is something > they would be > willing to pour money into. I don't know anyone with a bike and a > checkbook > that would be kind/foolish enough to let me learn on it. Is there anything > other than the MSF classes which seem to be booked until Y2K? That's about it. If you are in Md, try Va, and vice versa. Other state might have more openings. The other possibility is to buy a cheap dirt bike, and ride off road until taking the MSF course. > 2) Can anyone reccomend a resource for me to learn more about > bikes so I can > make an intelligent decision when I purchase my first. Right here. You'll get better answers here than at a dealer or in most moto-mags. You might have some luck with Motorcycle Consumer News, but that's about it. And forget about the british bike mags. Most of the starter bikes they recommend aren't available in the US. > 3) Reccomended types of 'trainee' bikes. I'm looking for > something that will > wet my pallete for something more without tearing my head off. I'm about > 6'1,220 if that helps to figure out a make/model. To be honest, anything (almost:) can be used as a trainee bike. I know one fella who bought a CBR900RR for his first bike. Kinda stupid, but he hasn't killed himself in the past four months. I learned on a Kawasaki Eliminator (for sale if you want it) that eventually got to feel too small for using 200 miles per week (plus about 300+ on the weekends) for all 6'1" 270 lbs of me. But you do learn to tap the shifter. The standard response is: just about any UJM (universal japanese motorcycle). There's probably even some listers with good starter bikes for sale. Just don't buy new. Within six months (or 12, depending on your mileage) I almost guarantee you'll get tired of the bike. > 4) Any trusted resources where a fella can buy his first used/new bike. Right here off the list is your best bet. Washington Post ads on Sat. and Sun. are full of ads (mostly overpriced, BTW). Steer clear of dealers. They need really high profit margins. And since you just want some cheap wreck anyway, you can get by fine with a $1000 bike (the dealer would likely charge you $2000) Keep an eye on the paper over the next two weeks or so. With labor day coming up, there should be tons of ads. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 20:41:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01223 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02934 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08877 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:38:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Wes Fleming" , Subject: RE: VA motorcycle dealer participation Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:38:13 -0400 Message-ID: <004801bdd79c$4c72bda0$010000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199809031820.OAA01601@smtp1.erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I've never minded paying a slightly higher price at a local dealer for a > few reasons... > stimulates the local economy (MY economy!) > helps develop a relationship with the local dealership > pretty much guarantees you have somebody to complain to in > person (if needed) > everybody's gotta make a living I'm staying out of it this time... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 20:41:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01221 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02935 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08879 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:38:31 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Joshua F. Canary" Cc: "cycles" Subject: RE: rookie help Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:38:14 -0400 Message-ID: <004901bdd79c$4d330060$010000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3608e256.229262960@smtp.wizard.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > The MSF class *is* very popular, with good reason. I've heard that > you can just show up on Friday night, and if there are any no-shows > you can take the class. Can't remember where I heard this, might not > be true! But, if you live somewhat near the NVCC Loudoun campus, it > might be worth a shot. Hell, in Waldorf, MD, I think you can show up Friday night and TEACH:) > >2) Can anyone reccomend a resource for me to learn more about > bikes so I can > >make an intelligent decision when I purchase my first. > > You can probably find out more than you ever wanted to know about > motorcycles by cruising the Internet. There is almost too much info > out there! :-) Be warned though: many of the sources are as biased as the moto-mags. Witness: www.motorcycle.com. Owned by Bartel's HD, isn't it? Then there is wreck.moto, one of the worst newsgroups out there. Lots of trash talk by poseur bikers of various sorts. Nobody who rides seriously has as much time to post as some of those people. > I'm sure you'll get lots of suggestions... but I'll throw in mine.. a > Honda Nighthawk 750 (1991 and up), or an older one if you are handy. > Good solid bike, low maintenance, will probably run forever. Since it > is a "standard" insurance rates will be reasonable. They seem to hold > their value very well.... I bought a '95 last November and sold it six > months later for $100 less than I paid for it. Anyhow, that's my two > cents! :-) I'll agree here. And I'll even say that if someone is a neophyte mechanic, the Nighthawk 650 S might be even better (no chain to lube/adjust). > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 A beginner bike if ever there was one ;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 20:41:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01227 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02941 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08884 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:38:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Alex Milenkovic" , Subject: RE: rookie help Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01bdd79c$4e7b10c0$010000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Check out www.motorcycle.com, www.bikenet.com, www.mcnews.com, and > TAKE THE MSF course. mcnews is okay, but only a bare handful of articles. The used bike value guide is a good resource however. Gotta check out bikenet. motorcycle.com is as bad as Cycle World/Motorcyclist/Sport Rider. At least it's free. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 20:51:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01784 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03040 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09076 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc2-s18.wizard.net (tc2-s18.wizard.net [206.161.15.94]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23320; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:51:12 -0400 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "George Howell" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rookie help Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:55:34 -0400 Message-ID: <36103940.251517009@smtp.wizard.net> References: <004901bdd79c$4d330060$010000c0@demon> In-Reply-To: <004901bdd79c$4d330060$010000c0@demon> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:38:14 -0400, "George Howell" wrote: >> '96 GPZ1100 > >A beginner bike if ever there was one ;) Hey... it's my 3rd bike! And, as much as I like it, I probably should have stuck to my Nighthawk for a while longer. It was just too good of a deal to pass up! How's that for honesty? :-) Anita (7,200+ miles since 11/97 and still a beginner!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 22:24:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05841 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04168 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10893 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA12775; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-70-89.s89.tnt11.brd.erols.com(207.172.70.89) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xmaa12770; Thu, 3 Sep 98 22:23:40 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980903221555.0073c5f4@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:24:10 -0400 To: Craig Johnston , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Mike T Subject: Re: Accident. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:11 PM 8/31/98 -0400, Craig Johnston wrote: >The rider hit a van broadside knocking it over and into the ditch on the other side of the road...... He knocked the Van into the ditch, or his bike? Hope he's ok. Was he wearing shorts and a t-shirt? Just curious..... ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org SYMPTOM: Floor blurred. FAULT: You are looking through bottom of empty glass. ACTION: Get someone to buy you another beer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 22:24:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05847 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04165 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10892 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA12773; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-70-89.s89.tnt11.brd.erols.com(207.172.70.89) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma012770; Thu, 3 Sep 98 22:23:39 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980903221343.0073c5f4@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:24:09 -0400 To: "George Howell" , "Joshua F. Canary" , "cycles" From: Mike T Subject: RE: rookie help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I like all of your advice George, except the part about buying a cheap wreck. If you go on stats, MSF instructs that the first 5 months of riding any bike are the most dangerous for you, whether you have 20 years under your belt or no years. I would sit on a bunch of different styles of bikes to find one thats comfortable and in my price range, and go ahead and buy what you think you want. Of course, if you dont know if you will even like motorcycling, then by all means by a cheap used UJM. Thats actually what I did, but its also the bike I wanted :-) Cheers. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 3 22:24:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05848 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04169 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10894 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA12781; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-70-89.s89.tnt11.brd.erols.com(207.172.70.89) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xmad12770; Thu, 3 Sep 98 22:23:43 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980903222402.00e5abbc@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:24:13 -0400 To: shephar1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: RE: CAMS Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" South. At the intersection of Fair Lakes and West Ox. If you get lost, take 50 to Fair Lakes Parkway (towards Springfield) then hang a left at the big intersection. At 07:46 PM 9/3/98 -0700, Ken wrote: >Hey guys, > >Is the Silver Diner North or South off Rt 50 on W. Old Ox Rd? >-- > Ken S. > HDKnight > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood, WV > ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org SYMPTOM: Floor blurred. FAULT: You are looking through bottom of empty glass. ACTION: Get someone to buy you another beer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 3 23:52:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09661 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05105 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12729 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s19.wizard.net [206.161.15.49]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01345; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:52:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980903235228.009b7a70@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 23:52:28 -0400 To: "Joshua F. Canary" , "cycles" Subject: Re: rookie help In-Reply-To: <001d01bdd767$00e9af40$0ff075a5@ps300test.wsmg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree with most of what has been said. Two more points to keep in mind: 1) Don't forget to budget for gear. Expect to spend _minimum_ $100 for a leather jacket, $50 for gloves, and $200 for a helmet. Add $50 for boots if you don't have one's that cover your ankles. All that stuff, minus jacket, is required when particpating in an MSF course, too. Cold weather more or less requires a second set of gear. 2) Spend as little as possible to get a safe bike for you first one, but don't get something that won't be workable at highway speeds (unless, in your travels, you manage to avoid superslab). My CX500 has enough oomph to keep with traffic, but otherwise it is a pain over 65 due to lack of a windscreen (of course, I am going to be adding that soon, but that's more $$). Also, there is a very good chance you will drop your bike (not necessarily wreck, but topple it over) sometime in your first year. On a cheap but sturdy bike (read: UJM), this will cost little to nothing to fix. ANY bike will whet your palette for more (IMHO). :-) Tom 1980 CX500D At 02:16 PM 9/3/98 -0400, Joshua F. Canary wrote: >I'm extremely anxious to get my first bike but I have some logistical >questions that I'd like some help with. > >1) How have people dealt with the akward period when they don't yet own a >bike but would like to learn to ride to see if it is something they would be >willing to pour money into. I don't know anyone with a bike and a checkbook >that would be kind/foolish enough to let me learn on it. Is there anything >other than the MSF classes which seem to be booked until Y2K? > >2) Can anyone reccomend a resource for me to learn more about bikes so I can >make an intelligent decision when I purchase my first. > >3) Reccomended types of 'trainee' bikes. I'm looking for something that will >wet my pallete for something more without tearing my head off. I'm about >6'1,220 if that helps to figure out a make/model. > >4) Any trusted resources where a fella can buy his first used/new bike. > > >Thanks for the help. > >jfc > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 00:17:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10913 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06194 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13172 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01783; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:14:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:12:43 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Virginia Dealer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980901.230648.8199.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Bikes R Us wrote: > Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally > chiming) in on your discussions? No prob as long as you don't try to sell anyone a Buell. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 00:51:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12265 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06703 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13631 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:48:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: Subject: RE: rookie help Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:48:20 -0400 Message-ID: <006a01bdd7bf$3d32b2a0$010000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <36103940.251517009@smtp.wizard.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Anita, As honest as this: I'm riding a K11RS. My father and girlfriend both thought I should have stuck with the 850. I agree with them. I wasn't even close to outriding that bike. But the K bike is SOOOOOOOO much fun:) Third bike. Fourth if you count the Wing (which is a secondary bike, so I don't) Would you believe I've lost track of my mileage since starting? Last I checked, I was still averaging 1000 miles a month. But that figure has been hard to keep up since moving into an apartment two miles from work (I drive the car a lot more. Don't wanna hurt the bike by short-cycling it:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > >> '96 GPZ1100 > > > >A beginner bike if ever there was one ;) > > Hey... it's my 3rd bike! And, as much as I like it, I probably should > have stuck to my Nighthawk for a while longer. It was just too good > of a deal to pass up! How's that for honesty? :-) > > Anita > (7,200+ miles since 11/97 and still a beginner!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 00:51:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12268 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06706 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13635 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:48:35 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mike T" , "Joshua F. Canary" , "cycles" Subject: RE: rookie help Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:48:21 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01bdd7bf$3e3f40a0$010000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980903221343.0073c5f4@www.troutman.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Cheap wreck was perhaps an ill chosen phrase. What I meant is that buying a bike with a straight frame and good engine is more important than shiny chrome, scratch free plastic, etc. Sorry for the misunderstanding. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I like all of your advice George, except the part about buying a cheap > wreck. If you go on stats, MSF instructs that the first 5 months > of riding > any bike are the most dangerous for you, whether you have 20 years under > your belt or no years. I would sit on a bunch of different > styles of bikes > to find one thats comfortable and in my price range, and go ahead and buy > what you think you want. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 00:54:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12290 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06725 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13663 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:54:20 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc2-s14.wizard.net [206.161.15.90]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA03932 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:54:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980904005424.009ce830@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:54:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR vs XX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As it is almost the time when people unload their bikes, I'm thinking about squandering some of the money I've been dutifully saving for a house and getting something a little more lively than the CX500. The lack of wind protection and bad brakes have gotten to me, and while I plan on addressing both, if I can find a good deal I might just move on. Requirements: sport-touring capabilities (capable of handling some type of hardbag) comfortable on long trips (6+ hours) stable at 'elevated' highway speeds moderately sporty, or more < $9k Thusly, I am considering either a used VFR800 or a used CBR1100XX. Appropriate? Others to consider? I've remember some saying that their FZRZXCBRGSX is comfy on long trips (ok, not the GSX :-), but I dunno. I would consider a ST1100 but its just way to portly (but I might give it a try nonetheless). A K75 is a possible option, but I suspect its overpriced for the riding pleasure it will give. Of course, if that dealer out there wants to sell me a ST2 for $4-5k under list, I'll consider that, too. :oP Thanks, Tom 1980 CX500D From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 01:14:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA13151 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06934 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13892 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 01:11:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: <006c01bdd7c2$6f4286a0$010000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980904005424.009ce830@mail.wizard.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Given that you are coming off of the CX, I'd go for the VFR between those two bikes. Get yourself down to Morton's. Last time I was there, they had several K75's. Or go to: http://www.mortonsbmw.com Where most of their used stock is on the list. Problem is that Steve's computer was down the last time I checked, so he may not have updated it in a while. And since he's on vacation now... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 07:08:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28737 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12382 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall-r.insuremarket.com (known mailhost.ifscorp.com [205.130.198.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18363 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by firewall-r.insuremarket.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id HAA06237; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:08:43 -0400 Received: from oman.insuremarket.com(172.23.2.69) by firewall-r.insuremarket.com via smap (3.1) id xma006235; Fri, 4 Sep 98 07:08:29 -0400 Received: from ifscorp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oman.insuremarket.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA13240 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:05:52 -0400 Sender: tad@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35EFC98F.3D5F8617@ifscorp.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 07:05:52 -0400 From: Thomas De Boeser Organization: Interactive Insurance Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en,java MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR vs XX References: <3.0.5.32.19980904005424.009ce830@mail.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The VFR addresses all of your requirements and would be better at low speeds (e.g. parking lot, traffic). Motorcyclist, cycleworld, and Rider seem to think alot about the VFR. The VFR may handle better than the CBR, the VFR could be one of the best bikes availible. It won't win many drag races, but once you ride it you won't care. You may also consider a R1, but it doesn't have the honda reputation :^), and it's not a VFR. Tom De Boeser '87 VFR700f2 thetrick@XXXXXX wrote: > As it is almost the time when people unload their bikes, I'm thinking about > squandering some of the money I've been dutifully saving for a house and > getting something a little more lively than the CX500. The lack of wind > protection and bad brakes have gotten to me, and while I plan on addressing > both, if I can find a good deal I might just move on. > > Requirements: > > sport-touring capabilities (capable of handling some type of hardbag) > comfortable on long trips (6+ hours) > stable at 'elevated' highway speeds > moderately sporty, or more > < $9k > > Thusly, I am considering either a used VFR800 or a used CBR1100XX. > > > > > Appropriate? Others to consider? > > I've remember some saying that their FZRZXCBRGSX is comfy on long trips > (ok, not the GSX :-), but I dunno. I would consider a ST1100 but its just > way to portly (but I might give it a try nonetheless). A K75 is a possible > option, but I suspect its overpriced for the riding pleasure it will give. > > Of course, if that dealer out there wants to sell me a ST2 for $4-5k under > list, I'll consider that, too. :oP > > Thanks, > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > > -- Thomas De Boeser Interactive Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ ~~~~~~~~ "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 07:34:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29922 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13795 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18642 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA08737; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809041135.HAA08737@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: VFR vs XX To: thetrick@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980904005424.009ce830@mail.wizard.net> from "thetrick@mail.wizard.net" at Sep 4, 98 00:54:24 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Requirements: > > sport-touring capabilities (capable of handling some type of hardbag) > comfortable on long trips (6+ hours) > stable at 'elevated' highway speeds > moderately sporty, or more > < $9k > > Thusly, I am considering either a used VFR800 or a used CBR1100XX. > XX will do all of the above. And much more. Last weekend I had a chance to ride VFR 800. After XX, my feeling was: "What a great scooter" :-). VFR has much more relaxed position - more upright. VFR is lighter, and and easier in turns ( despite having alsomst this same weight like XX). VFR is missing this gorgeous brute powerband of XX. Since VFR was kinda new, I was gently looking for powerband. On XX, you have power everywehere, and almost always too much. VFR is more forgiving than XX in turns. XX is planted like a train in high speed sweepers. Awesome. Both will work miracles as sport tourers. I woudl recommend joining MOFO on one of rides, and trying each bike.. (after bribing owners to ride your CX for a while). > Appropriate? Others to consider? > > I've remember some saying that their FZRZXCBRGSX is comfy on long trips > (ok, not the GSX :-), but I dunno. I would consider a ST1100 but its just > way to portly (but I might give it a try nonetheless). A K75 is a possible > option, but I suspect its overpriced for the riding pleasure it will give. > > Of course, if that dealer out there wants to sell me a ST2 for $4-5k under > list, I'll consider that, too. :oP > > Thanks, > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 07:55:29 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00924 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:54:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'thetrick@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:54:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Since I just rode an XX this past weekend I can comment here. sport-touring capabilities (capable of handling some type of hardbag) Should be no problem for the either bike. Givi bags for the XX (may be available for the VFR too) and Corbin makes hard bags for the VFR. comfortable on long trips (6+ hours) Haven't ridden the XX on that long of a trip but I suspect it would be fine. Zbig, you want to speak up here? I've been on two 6+ hour trips since purchasing my VFR two weeks ago and it was comfy on both occasions. Still trying to get my wrists to adjust to the different riding position though. stable at 'elevated' highway speeds How elevated are you going to be? Most mountains on the east coast are going to fine for most bikes. On the other hand if you get a 98 VFR its injected and you don't have to worry about it. moderately sporty, or more Both bikes fit this category too. The XX IMO is more an open road bike then a back road burner. It just doesn't have enough ground clearance for the tight twisties. Ask Zbig who used to drag his faring on roads like US 33 and US 250. So for speed take XX, for all around fun get the VFR. < $9k You should be able to get a VFR for that price range, not sure about an XX. Thusly, I am considering either a used VFR800 or a used CBR1100XX. I really do like my VFR, it a great bike. The XX is a great bike too but I don't see why anyone needs all that power. Seriously, I couldn't believe how damn fast that thing was. I think I hit 105 in second gear with little effort. Too much bike for me, that's for sure. Appropriate? Others to consider? We were on a ride a few weeks ago and we met up with a guy that had a YZF600. Apparently its a bike that is sometimes compared to the VFR (I didn't know this). Anyhow there cheaper then a VFR and might be easier to find. Not quite as much power as a VFR but much more then your 500. I think someone suggested an R1. I think that's a bad suggestion. Its a lot of bike meant for serious sport riding, not sport touring. Also there is a damn waiting list to get one. And you'll also go over your 9K limit. Good luck. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 08:00:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01071 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14030 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (known smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18947 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA51886 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:44:44 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA38268 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:59:19 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100022138589; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:03:03 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: BMW R1100S Message-ID: <5040100022138589000002L092*@MHS> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:03:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain On the light side, check out "The Sydney Morning Herald" http://www.smh.com.au/drive/9808/28/drive3.html Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 08:25:23 1998 Return-Path: skight@XXXXXX Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02201 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:25:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A5911013041F@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:25:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Of course if you want to spend more then the 9k price, the Ducati ST2 is also really comfy, but more geared towards sport then either the XX or VFR. If you must have the speed of the XX, the ST4 just came to the US last week. It is the exact same as the st2, but with 4v heads. Definitly a must have! Unfortunately (:>) I already purchased my 916 earlier this summer, so no ST4 for me. The st2 is around 12k (they can deal) the st4 is around 14.5 (not a chance) You could also get the 900ss, the new one is fuel injected, about 80hp, 60 some lb/ft of torque, and a whole hell of alot of fun. My old carb'd 900ss had 0 problems doing long cruising days out into the mountains here on the east coast the new one is even better. The only thing that needed changing was the seat. 250 dollars and a call to corbin later solved that problem. The new 900ss is about 11k. I know I know, all above your 9k limit, but you should at least take a look, maybe find a use carburated 900ss model, or just blow a huge lump of cash and get an ST4. As far as all out touring goes, NOTHING beats the BMW's. Except maybe the ST4, but I havent been able to ride one yet. Soon I will though, of that I am certain! Scot Kight <- A wankel driven Ducati obsessed person 98 916 Monoposto 95 900ss/cr 93 Mazda RX7 (Wankel = Guy who invented the Rotary engine that is in the R(otary)X(neat character)-7(th)) -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [mailto:Dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 7:54 AM To: 'thetrick@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: VFR vs XX Since I just rode an XX this past weekend I can comment here. sport-touring capabilities (capable of handling some type of hardbag) Should be no problem for the either bike. Givi bags for the XX (may be available for the VFR too) and Corbin makes hard bags for the VFR. comfortable on long trips (6+ hours) Haven't ridden the XX on that long of a trip but I suspect it would be fine. Zbig, you want to speak up here? I've been on two 6+ hour trips since purchasing my VFR two weeks ago and it was comfy on both occasions. Still trying to get my wrists to adjust to the different riding position though. stable at 'elevated' highway speeds How elevated are you going to be? Most mountains on the east coast are going to fine for most bikes. On the other hand if you get a 98 VFR its injected and you don't have to worry about it. moderately sporty, or more Both bikes fit this category too. The XX IMO is more an open road bike then a back road burner. It just doesn't have enough ground clearance for the tight twisties. Ask Zbig who used to drag his faring on roads like US 33 and US 250. So for speed take XX, for all around fun get the VFR. < $9k You should be able to get a VFR for that price range, not sure about an XX. Thusly, I am considering either a used VFR800 or a used CBR1100XX. I really do like my VFR, it a great bike. The XX is a great bike too but I don't see why anyone needs all that power. Seriously, I couldn't believe how damn fast that thing was. I think I hit 105 in second gear with little effort. Too much bike for me, that's for sure. Appropriate? Others to consider? We were on a ride a few weeks ago and we met up with a guy that had a YZF600. Apparently its a bike that is sometimes compared to the VFR (I didn't know this). Anyhow there cheaper then a VFR and might be easier to find. Not quite as much power as a VFR but much more then your 500. I think someone suggested an R1. I think that's a bad suggestion. Its a lot of bike meant for serious sport riding, not sport touring. Also there is a damn waiting list to get one. And you'll also go over your 9K limit. Good luck. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 08:29:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02284 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15196 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19487 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:28:25 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CCB3@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Blue Knights Poker Run Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:33:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Directions to Holiday Inn, Culpeper: Called the Holiday Inn in Culpeper, told them I would be coming down 29 and using the 29 Bypass. They said there would be 4 exits for Culpeper (not numbered), and that they are at the last exit -- take the exit and they are on the right hand side. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: louis@XXXXXX [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 10:20 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Blue Knights Poker Run > > > This Saturday, 5 September, a few of us have discussed > going on the Blue Knights Poker Run, starting/ending in > Culpeper, VA. > > We will be meeting at the Old Country Buffet in Manassas, VA. > For those who would like to eat breakfast there, Anita will be > arriving 8:00 - 8:15ish. For those who just want to ride down, > we will be meeting about 8:45 for a 9:00 departure time. > > The run starts and ends at the Culpeper Holiday Inn (Tom Mersch > is in the process of finding better directions, as those given > are quite vague). For the most part we'll just be running down > Rt. 29. > > Registration is from 9:00 - 11:00 am. > > $8 for a poker hand (discount on 2nd hand). Prizes are a portion > of the entry money (15%, 10%, 5%). Profits support local charities. > > If there are a lot of people, we may find it better to split groups. > > That is all the information I know so far. I don't know how long, or > how far the run will be. > > Louis From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 08:30:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02371 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15218 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19508 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:29:46 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CCB4@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Blue Knights Poker Run Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:35:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Forgot one thing: the exit is marked Culpeper / 29 Business > -----Original Message----- > From: Mersch, Tom > Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 8:34 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Blue Knights Poker Run > > Directions to Holiday Inn, Culpeper: > Called the Holiday Inn in Culpeper, told them I would be coming down 29 > and using the 29 Bypass. > > They said there would be 4 exits for Culpeper (not numbered), and that > they are at the last exit -- take the exit and they are on the right hand > side. > > Tom M. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 08:37:21 1998 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (root@XXXXXX [140.162.1.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02737 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09324 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809041237.IAA09324@seismo.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 08:34:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Keyser Soze Subject: RE: VFR vs XX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:54 AM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote: >Since I just rode an XX this past weekend I can comment here. > > sport-touring capabilities (capable of handling some type of >hardbag) > >Should be no problem for the either bike. Givi bags for the XX (may be >available for the VFR too) and Corbin makes hard bags for the VFR. Yes, Givi has bags for the Viffer. Given a choice between the two... I'd go with the VFR. Its big enough without being /too/ big. Both are wonderful bikes, however. -- "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" -- Verbal Kint. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 08:43:35 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03106 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p182.smart.net [206.97.127.182]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA00114; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:43:19 -0400 Message-ID: <027201bdd801$a8bbf8a0$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Scot Kight" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:43:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Hmmm....the guy asks for advice concerning 2 Hondas and he gets 3 Ducatis recommended to him that are $4k out of his price range. I'm certain he'll appreciate the advice. Not to mention the cost of servicing the Italian money pits. Here's my suggestion: you can't go wrong with the VFR. Bruce Norton and Glenn Dysart are two that come to mind with the new 800 that seem VERY happy with their choices. Linked brakes, fuel injection and a single sided swingarm are three qualities I'd love to have in a bike. You'll probably find a few being sold at excellent prices over the next few months.....and especially into the winter. -----Original Message----- From: Scot Kight To: 'DC Cycles' Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 8:30 AM Subject: RE: VFR vs XX >Of course if you want to spend more then the 9k price, the Ducati ST2 is >also really comfy, but more geared towards sport then either the XX or VFR. > >If you must have the speed of the XX, the ST4 just came to the US last week. >It is the exact same as the st2, but with 4v heads. Definitly a must have! > >Unfortunately (:>) I already purchased my 916 earlier this summer, so no ST4 >for me. > >The st2 is around 12k (they can deal) the st4 is around 14.5 (not a chance) >You could also get the 900ss, the new one is fuel injected, about 80hp, 60 >some lb/ft of torque, and a whole hell of alot of fun. My old carb'd 900ss >had 0 problems doing long cruising days out into the mountains here on the >east coast the new one is even better. The only thing that needed changing >was the seat. 250 dollars and a call to corbin later solved that problem. > >The new 900ss is about 11k. > >I know I know, all above your 9k limit, but you should at least take a look, >maybe find a use carburated 900ss model, or just blow a huge lump of cash >and get an ST4. > >As far as all out touring goes, NOTHING beats the BMW's. Except maybe the >ST4, but I havent been able to ride one yet. Soon I will though, of that I >am certain! > >Scot Kight <- A wankel driven Ducati obsessed person >98 916 Monoposto >95 900ss/cr >93 Mazda RX7 >(Wankel = Guy who invented the Rotary engine that is in the R(otary)X(neat >character)-7(th)) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 08:54:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03559 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15493 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19977 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id RPROa26915; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2fe1475b.35efe2c7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:53:27 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 >From the responses I have seen, this could me win-win situation. I feel compelled to tell you there has been alot of discussion about area dealers, and very little has been heart warming. If I could speak for the others, we would like nothing better than to improve relationships with area dealers. Tom T. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 09:08:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04077 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15811 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20206 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zEvaw-0007PL-01; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:06 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:07:21 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9D9301@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mike T'" , shephar1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: CAMS Ride Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:05:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain If I can get my lazy a*^& out of bed Sunday, Tom & I will be there, as well. : ) Yummy, breakfast!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike T [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 10:24 PM > To: shephar1@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: CAMS Ride > > South. At the intersection of Fair Lakes and West Ox. If you get > lost, > take 50 to Fair Lakes Parkway (towards Springfield) then hang a left > at the > big intersection. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 09:09:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04087 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15914 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20224 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA04360 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: VFR vs XX In-Reply-To: <027201bdd801$a8bbf8a0$c27f61ce@richard> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How about buying three Hawks? Put Givi bags on one and make it a tourer. Put a built Africa Twin motor in one and make it a hot rod. FInally, keep the last one stock. Oh man, I'm gonna suffer Tom's wrath on this one... :) Seriously, the VFR sounds like a great choice for overall riding like you describe. The XX would be better for more open road riding and sweepers (and the occasional 176 mph run...). Speaking of Ducatis (well, someone else did), are the Paso models the spiritual precursor to the ST2/4s? There's a 750 Paso parked at work today... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 09:45:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05525 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17504 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21095 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p177.smart.net [206.97.127.177]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA02496; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:44:50 -0400 Message-ID: <02a201bdd80a$3e726980$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:45:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: VFR vs XX >How about buying three Hawks? Put Givi bags on one and make it a tourer. >Put a built Africa Twin motor in one and make it a hot rod. FInally, keep >the last one stock. Oh man, I'm gonna suffer Tom's wrath on this one... :) The Wrath of Tom? I thought it was the Wrath of Khan. Anyway, at least you're recommending a bike (or 3) in the price range. It's actually not that bad of an idea. I'd rather have 3 bikes that cover all of the bases well than one that is a compromise. The Hawk as a tourer though? Givi bags alone do not a tourer make. >Seriously, the VFR sounds like a great choice for overall riding like you >describe. The XX would be better for more open road riding and sweepers >(and the occasional 176 mph run...). I've yet to find someone who's actually topped one out. Like anyone really needs the last 20 mph. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 09:46:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05890 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17548 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21179 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:43:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:46:25 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thetrick@XXXXXX Subject: VFR vs XX -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Don't ignore a good used ZX 10 or 11. Those bikes slot right in between a VFR and XX, a lot are owned by old farts (like me) so there's no squid damage. CBR 1000 Hermicaines are good all-rounders too. I really like the Suzi RF 900 too--a great bike totally ignored by the market. Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> - 9/4/98 12:54 AM >>> As it is almost the time when people unload their bikes, I'm thinking about squandering some of the money I've been dutifully saving for a house and getting something a little more lively than the CX500. The lack of wind protection and bad brakes have gotten to me, and while I plan on addressing both, if I can find a good deal I might just move on. Requirements: sport-touring capabilities (capable of handling some type of hardbag) comfortable on long trips (6+ hours) stable at 'elevated' highway speeds moderately sporty, or more < $9k Thusly, I am considering either a used VFR800 or a used CBR1100XX. Appropriate? Others to consider? I've remember some saying that their FZRZXCBRGSX is comfy on long trips (ok, not the GSX :-), but I dunno. I would consider a ST1100 but its just way to portly (but I might give it a try nonetheless). A K75 is a possible option, but I suspect its overpriced for the riding pleasure it will give. Of course, if that dealer out there wants to sell me a ST2 for $4-5k under list, I'll consider that, too. :oP Thanks, Tom 1980 CX500D From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 09:55:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06006 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17788 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21348 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:56:07 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B91E@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:53:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Let me ride one for a few hundred miles.. I could probably exercise the top end pretty well.. Eh Tom? *chuckle* Maybe we could go hit 55 again.. -----Original Message----- I've yet to find someone who's actually topped one out. Like anyone really needs the last 20 mph. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:01:11 1998 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06442 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 3MYWa04367 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8be7c890.35eff27c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:00:28 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Elvis's Harley Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 A person in my office told me this story this morning and he swears it's true. A relative in the mid-west was looking for an old cheap Harley for his daughter to putt around on. He located an old Harley for $4,000 and set out to repair it. He was having a problem finding parts for it and called a local dealer and gave them the serial number to aid in his search. The dealer called him back and offered him $100,000 for it. He said he would not sell it unless he told him why its so valuable. He received another call, this time the Pres. of Harley and he offered him $150,000 and his choice of two (2) brand new bikes, any models. The Pres. told him that his bike was originally owned by Elvis and it was stolen the first week he had it. The relative went back to the previous owner and told him of the events and offered him one of the new bikes he will be receiving in good faith. Pretty wild huh!? From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:03:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06462 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17950 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21535 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:01:18 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:00:44 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: VFR vs. XX Zbig does, when he's being chased by a big Ninja. Tom Gimer wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've yet to find someone who's actually topped one out. Like anyone really needs the last 20 mph. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:12:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06979 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19090 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21822 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22682; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:13:55 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11978B7@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thetrick@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR vs XX -Reply Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:13:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I have to agree with Joe on this one.... You can find brand new RF900's on dealer floors for under $7k. They're an awesome bike, they were just a little pricey in the wrong nitch of the market when they were actively produced...kinda the same way as the old FJ1200's. > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 9:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; thetrick@XXXXXX > Subject: VFR vs XX -Reply > I really > like the Suzi RF 900 too--a great bike totally ignored by the market. > Joe > '85 Ninja 900 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:13:52 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06989 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.57] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA01854; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:13:59 -0400 Message-ID: <035a01bdd80e$85148c20$4a73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: Elvis's Harley Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:15:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'd just say... Uh Thank yuh...Thank yuh vurry much! >A person in my office told me this story this morning and he swears it's true. > >A relative in the mid-west was looking for an old cheap Harley for his >daughter to putt around on. He located an old Harley for $4,000 and set out >to repair it. He was having a problem finding parts for it and called a local >dealer and gave them the serial number to aid in his search. The dealer >called him back and offered him $100,000 for it. He said he would not sell it >unless he told him why its so valuable. He received another call, this time >the Pres. of Harley and he offered him $150,000 and his choice of two (2) >brand new bikes, any models. The Pres. told him that his bike was originally >owned by Elvis and it was stolen the first week he had it. The relative went >back to the previous owner and told him of the events and offered him one of >the new bikes he will be receiving in good faith. Pretty wild huh!? > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:16:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07068 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19140 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21921 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA05576 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFR vs XX -Reply In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11978B7@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > I have to agree with Joe on this one.... You can find brand new RF900's on > dealer floors for under $7k. Yeah, where's Chris? There's also a comparison between the old VFR750 and the RF900 at www.motorcycle.com. As always, take any mag review with a grain of salt... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:25:38 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from mail.martinagency.com (mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07540 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:22:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:25:03 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: CBR600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Elvis's Harley -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline This is probably the most famous "urban legend" in motorcycling. Like other urban myths, it didn't happen to the person telling you but the person who told them swears it's true. I've heard it from my non-biker friends many times. Your story didn't include the signature under the fender (I've also heard under the seat there's an inscription "To Priscilla from Elvis.") Check out: www.urbanlegends.com/celebrities/elvis_harley.html It's a great story, and a total wet dream, it just ain't true. Joe 1968 FLH (The true Elvis bike) >>> - 9/4/98 10:00 AM >>> A person in my office told me this story this morning and he swears it's true. A relative in the mid-west was looking for an old cheap Harley for his daughter to putt around on. He located an old Harley for $4,000 and set out to repair it. He was having a problem finding parts for it and called a local dealer and gave them the serial number to aid in his search. The dealer called him back and offered him $100,000 for it. He said he would not sell it unless he told him why its so valuable. He received another call, this time the Pres. of Harley and he offered him $150,000 and his choice of two (2) brand new bikes, any models. The Pres. told him that his bike was originally owned by Elvis and it was stolen the first week he had it. The relative went back to the previous owner and told him of the events and offered him one of the new bikes he will be receiving in good faith. Pretty wild huh!? From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:27:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07778 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19345 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22285 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:24:27 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:27:06 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thetrick@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR vs XX -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Oh yeah, I forgot--FJ 12s are sweet bikes too. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08376 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , "'DC Cycles'" , thetrick@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR vs XX -Reply -Reply Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:40:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) As long as you don't want ground clearance. Don't ask me how I know! :-) Glenn > Oh yeah, I forgot--FJ 12s are sweet bikes too. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:45:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08555 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20047 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com (known [208.138.226.5] [208.138.226.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22916 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:44:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: cycles Subject: RE: rookie help Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:44:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > From: thetrick@XXXXXX > > I agree with most of what has been said. Two more points to > keep in mind: > > 1) Don't forget to budget for gear. Expect to spend > _minimum_ $100 for a > leather jacket, $50 for gloves, and $200 for a helmet. Add > $50 for boots > if you don't have one's that cover your ankles. All that stuff, minus > jacket, is required when particpating in an MSF course, too. > Cold weather > more or less requires a second set of gear. Okay, I just took the course in Va a couple of months ago. Gear required to participate is: Shoes that cover the ankle; leather gloves; long sleave shirt; and jeans. Sunglasses are also required if you use one of their beanie helmets. I bought a pair of nice gloves before the course, but some people just showed in work gloves. They lend you helmets (Harley helmets, at that). > 2) Spend as little as possible to get a safe bike for you > first one, but > don't get something that won't be workable at highway speeds > (unless, in > your travels, you manage to avoid superslab). My CX500 has > enough oomph to > keep with traffic, but otherwise it is a pain over 65 due to lack of a > windscreen (of course, I am going to be adding that soon, but > that's more > $$). Also, there is a very good chance you will drop your bike (not > necessarily wreck, but topple it over) sometime in your first > year. On a > cheap but sturdy bike (read: UJM), this will cost little to > nothing to fix. The instructor said that most accidents happen during the first five months that someone owns a bike, so he suggested that people get a bike that'll keep you happy for a while. And don't think that just because people say you should buy an old bike means that you need to buy a "boring" bike. I bought an '83 Honda V65 Magna for $2250 (you can find them cheaper, sometimes). It's big, it's got attitude, it's incredibly well made (except for the cams), it's a joy to ride, and kids come up to me and say that they love my bike. It'll take me a long time to stretch the limits of this bike. Maybe I'll buy a different bike in a few years. Maybe not. ymmv, -Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:47:02 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08575 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:34:00 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Elvis's Harley Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:33:53 -0400 Message-ID: <009701bdd811$0a0e60c0$010000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <8be7c890.35eff27c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.urbanlegend.com ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX [mailto:CBR600twt@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 10:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Elvis's Harley > > > A person in my office told me this story this morning and he > swears it's true. > > A relative in the mid-west was looking for an old cheap Harley for his > daughter to putt around on. He located an old Harley for $4,000 > and set out > to repair it. He was having a problem finding parts for it and > called a local > dealer and gave them the serial number to aid in his search. The dealer > called him back and offered him $100,000 for it. He said he > would not sell it > unless he told him why its so valuable. He received another > call, this time > the Pres. of Harley and he offered him $150,000 and his choice of two (2) > brand new bikes, any models. The Pres. told him that his bike > was originally > owned by Elvis and it was stolen the first week he had it. The > relative went > back to the previous owner and told him of the events and offered > him one of > the new bikes he will be receiving in good faith. Pretty wild huh!? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:49:20 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08866 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:48:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:48:24 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: CBR600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Elvis's Harley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I believe it. I have one for you. A guy near my home town in PA bought a = Harley at a yard sale for about $700 from a widow. He also was having = trouble finding parts and called a dealer with the serial number. The = dealer called back and offered him $20,000 for it. He later got two other = calls offering him even more. He said he didn't want to sell. The fourth = call he got claimed to be Jay Leno and offered him $100,000 for the bike. = The guy didn't believe him. Jay gave him his number and told him to watch = his show that night and he would mention his name. Sure enough, Jay Leno = mentioned the guys name. The guy called him back and agreed to sell him = the bike. The guy asked why he wanted this bike. Jay told him to go to = the bike and look for a small metal plague near the engine, clean it off = and read what it said. It read "To Priscilla, Love Elvis." Not a bad = profit for something bought from a yard sale. It was in all the home town = papers the next day. Scooter >>> 09/04/98 10:00AM >>> A person in my office told me this story this morning and he swears it's = true. A relative in the mid-west was looking for an old cheap Harley for his daughter to putt around on. He located an old Harley for $4,000 and set = out to repair it. He was having a problem finding parts for it and called a = local dealer and gave them the serial number to aid in his search. The dealer called him back and offered him $100,000 for it. He said he would not = sell it unless he told him why its so valuable. He received another call, this = time the Pres. of Harley and he offered him $150,000 and his choice of two (2) brand new bikes, any models. The Pres. told him that his bike was = originally owned by Elvis and it was stolen the first week he had it. The relative = went back to the previous owner and told him of the events and offered him one = of the new bikes he will be receiving in good faith. Pretty wild huh!? =20 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:53:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08972 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21010 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23242 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA06310; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:53:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Mark Petty cc: cycles Subject: RE: rookie help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Okay, I just took the course in Va a couple of months ago. Gear required > to participate is: Shoes that cover the ankle; leather gloves; long > sleave shirt; and jeans. Sunglasses are also required if you use one of > their beanie helmets. That's just for the course. More will be desired on the street. See Colleen's web page for used gear www.aol.com/~motorle (crap, that's from memory, someone please correct...) > The instructor said that most accidents happen during the first five > months that someone owns a bike, so he suggested that people get a bike > that'll keep you happy for a while. Isn't that opposite of logic? For my part, one solution to the crashing in the first five months problem is simply to park the bike during that time. :) Ah, the stupidity that is Friday! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:57:48 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from mail.martinagency.com (mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09057 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:54:53 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:57:34 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, thetrick@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR vs XX -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline As I recall, that's one of the reasons I bought the Ninja instead when I had the chance to buy either for the same price. And with a Corbin seat and Storz bar kit, it's just as comfy as the FJ. Joe '85 Ninja >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 9/4/98 10:40 AM >>> As long as you don't want ground clearance. Don't ask me how I know! :-) Glenn > Oh yeah, I forgot--FJ 12s are sweet bikes too. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 10:58:46 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09284 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:53:08 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:52:52 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: CBR600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Elvis's Harley -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Wrong bike for the "To Priscilla from Elvis". Elvis did give Priscilla a = bike. It now belongs in Jay Leno's collection. See my earlier reply. Scooter >>> JOE NAGY 09/04/98 10:25AM >>> This is probably the most famous "urban legend" in motorcycling. Like other urban myths, it didn't happen to the person telling you but the person who told them swears it's true. I've heard it from my non-biker friends many times. Your story didn't include the signature under the fender (I've also heard under the seat there's an inscription "To Priscilla from Elvis.") Check out: www.urbanlegends.com/celebrities/elvis_harley.html=20 It's a great story, and a total wet dream, it just ain't true. Joe=20 1968 FLH (The true Elvis bike) >>> - 9/4/98 10:00 AM >>> A person in my office told me this story this morning and he swears it's true. A relative in the mid-west was looking for an old cheap Harley for his daughter to putt around on. He located an old Harley for $4,000 and set out to repair it. He was having a problem finding parts for it and called a local dealer and gave them the serial number to aid in his search. The dealer called him back and offered him $100,000 for it. He said he would not sell it unless he told him why its so valuable. He received another call, this time the Pres. of Harley and he offered him $150,000 and his choice of two (2) brand new bikes, any models. The Pres. told him that his bike was originally owned by Elvis and it was stolen the first week he had it. The relative went back to the previous owner and told him of the events and offered him one of the new bikes he will be receiving in good faith. Pretty wild huh!? =20 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 11:01:15 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09464 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:01:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 3BVFa02821 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:00:28 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Elvis's Harley Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >A person in my office told me this story this morning and he swears it's true. Don't feel bad, my sister fell for this story too (hee hee hee). Her version was a friend of her husband's brother got it at a yard sale, and Jay Leno later tried to buy it from him. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 11:03:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09482 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21171 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23652 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256675.0052A08C ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:02:30 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256675.005200F1.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:02:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Elvis's Harley -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline That particular story might not be 100 percent correct but the Harley factory in York did aquire one of Elvis's old K model Harley's within the last couple of years and put it on display in the museum. The VIN number on it matches the original purchasing paper work which has Elvis's name on it. And if memory serves me correctly, that story is pretty close to the truth. I remember that they did pay a large sum of money for it to the person who found it. I kind of doubt that they would put an urban legend on display and go to the trouble of building a protective plexiglass case around it. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 11:09:56 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09866 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 3ZUIa16073 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6db5dcca.35f0029d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:09:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >> Okay, I just took the course in Va a couple of months ago. Gear required >> to participate is: Shoes that cover the ankle; leather gloves; long >> sleave shirt; and jeans. Sunglasses are also required if you use one of >> their beanie helmets. > >That's just for the course. More will be desired on the street. See >Colleen's web page for used gear www.aol.com/~motorle (crap, that's from >memory, someone please correct...) I have my own .com now - the new address is www.leatherexchange.com I'm still switching, so the old address works too - http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html As people who have been on the list for a while know, I rarely promote my business here. However, I have noticed a lot of new names lately. For those of you who don't know, I sell used motorcycle gear. Anyone with any interest in this can check out the above web address. In case anyone cares, I'm leaving on Tuesday for Germany. My excellent boyfriend managed to win an Edelweiss tour, so this time next week, we'll be riding BMWs in the Alps for free! Woo-hoo, yippee, etc. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 11:15:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10080 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21944 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24026 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:16:44 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:16:40 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Elvis' Harley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline OK. I sent out my earlier reply and then looked into the Urban Legends = thing. They all talk about Elvis' bike not Priscilla's. If the one in my = story, regarding Jay Leno, didn't happen, it was a good hoax with the = local papers carrying the story. I remember reading about it maybe 5 or 6 = years ago. Oh well, if it is a hoax, I wish I could find one of the real = bikes. ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 11:18:08 1998 Return-Path: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10110 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:18:06 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id LAA22336 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:17:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199809041517.LAA22336@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:17:51 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:17:51 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:17:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:00:58 -0400 Subject: Elvis's Harley To: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8be7c890.35eff27c@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME urban legend...discounted by HD themselves..variations of this story have been floating around the net for years.. -aki > A person in my office told me this story this morning and he swears it's true. > > A relative in the mid-west was looking for an old cheap Harley for his > daughter to putt around on. He located an old Harley for $4,000 and set out > to repair it. He was having a problem finding parts for it and called a local > dealer and gave them the serial number to aid in his search. The dealer > called him back and offered him $100,000 for it. He said he would not sell it > unless he told him why its so valuable. He received another call, this time > the Pres. of Harley and he offered him $150,000 and his choice of two (2) > brand new bikes, any models. The Pres. told him that his bike was originally > owned by Elvis and it was stolen the first week he had it. The relative went > back to the previous owner and told him of the events and offered him one of > the new bikes he will be receiving in good faith. Pretty wild huh!? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 11:19:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10364 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22445 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (known x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24125 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jeep.guy@XXXXXX) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNBF9RPV; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:19:05 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-MC question Message-ID: <19980904.040656.7119.3.jeep.guy@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,7-8,10-12 From: jeep.guy@XXXXXX (Erik von Darkmoor) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:19:05 EDT Does anyone know where I can find information on old military trucks? I'm looking for people who know about them from experience. A guy who was in the Army in the late `60s and worked in the motor pool would be perfect, for example. Failing that, how about the address or phone number of a 4x4 club, a website with this type of content, a book title, someone who knows someone who can help me. Specifically, I'm interested in old MASH-style jeeps and the M715 pickup. Sorry to dilute the purity of an "all MC" list with this drivel, but I'm desperate. Thanks in advance for any assistance. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 11:19:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10382 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22451 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (known x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24128 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jeep.guy@XXXXXX) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNBF9RLS; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:19:05 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: NAGYJ@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thetrick@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR vs XX -Reply Message-ID: <19980904.040656.7119.2.jeep.guy@juno.com> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11978B7@mscex> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,6-8,10,12-13 From: jeep.guy@XXXXXX (Erik von Darkmoor) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:19:05 EDT Hey, LT! If you know where a new RF900 can be found on a dealer's floor, please oh PLEASE tell me where. I've been wanting one of those for years. I know that most of the Joe Rocket types find them odd -- only one color paint and no neon lightning graphics -- but I really like them. I got to ride one once and took it all the way up past 150mph (according to the speedo, anyway). Smooth, torquey... Gotta have one. On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:13:52 -0400 "Fagan, Collin LTJG" cfagan@XXXXXX> writes: I have to agree with Joe on this one.... You can find brand new RF900's on dealer floors for under $7k. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 11:54:52 1998 Return-Path: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11950 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA20769; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980904155413.WCBP618@localHost>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:54:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: MotorLE@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980904155413.WCBP618@localHost> In case anyone cares, I'm leaving on Tuesday for Germany. My excellent boyfriend managed to win an Edelweiss tour, so this time next week, we'll be riding BMWs in the Alps for free! Woo-hoo, yippee, etc. DAMNEd I'm envious. I never win anything let alone an excellent prize like this. A superb time of year to ride in the Alps. Have fun, be safe and take lots of pictures. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 12:31:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13491 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00051 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brap-2.cais.net (known brap-2.cais.net [205.252.14.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27373 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (ppp1.net-A.dc.net [205.252.61.1]) by brap-2.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA05703 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980904123005.006cbe74@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:30:05 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Elvis's Harley In-Reply-To: <8be7c890.35eff27c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This can not be true! As you all know "The King" lives, and has been riding for the past twenty one years, and taking occasional trips into space with his alien friends. :-) At 10:00 AM 9/4/98 EDT, you wrote: >A person in my office told me this story this morning and he swears it's true. > >A relative in the mid-west was looking for an old cheap Harley for his >daughter to putt around on. He located an old Harley for $4,000 and set out >to repair it. He was having a problem finding parts for it and called a local >dealer and gave them the serial number to aid in his search. The dealer >called him back and offered him $100,000 for it. He said he would not sell it >unless he told him why its so valuable. He received another call, this time >the Pres. of Harley and he offered him $150,000 and his choice of two (2) >brand new bikes, any models. The Pres. told him that his bike was originally >owned by Elvis and it was stolen the first week he had it. The relative went >back to the previous owner and told him of the events and offered him one of >the new bikes he will be receiving in good faith. Pretty wild huh!? > > Mike B. 98 ZX900R If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be? From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 12:35:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13841 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00867 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27478 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway-fincen.uscg.mil [209.48.193.3]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02233 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35F0171D.431A3D8@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:36:45 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" Reply-To: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Opinions/Suggestions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well folks, over the last couple of days Brian M. and I have been putting together a little web page for the racing effort, and things are coming along nicely. We'd appreciate if ya'll would take a peak at it for general content and professionalism... A few problems that I already know about are: 1) text on intro image is a little hard to read--->will fix in time..lot of work into that 2) links for Jay and Joe's profile not working-->will work as soon as they fill in the info A couple of the pages are a bit sparce still, but overall effect/layout is what I'm concerned with...we're adding content as we come along. Thanks for helping out... DC-Cycles Racing Collin, Brian, Joe, and Jay http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/racing.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 12:48:51 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14338 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zEz2O-0007cL-00; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:48:40 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:47:54 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9D932E@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'MotorLE@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:46:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Two things: I've bought from Colleen & love what I've gotten & the prices... Colleen, telling you to have fun would be pointless, I guess.... ; ) I WANNA BE YOU!!! - Jeannette > I have my own .com now - the new address is www.leatherexchange.com > I'm still switching, so the old address works too - > http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html > > As people who have been on the list for a while know, I rarely promote > my > business here. However, I have noticed a lot of new names lately. For > those of > you who don't know, I sell used motorcycle gear. Anyone with any > interest in > this can check out the above web address. > > In case anyone cares, I'm leaving on Tuesday for Germany. My excellent > boyfriend managed to win an Edelweiss tour, so this time next week, > we'll be > riding BMWs in the Alps for free! Woo-hoo, yippee, etc. > > Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 12:49:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14358 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01166 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28774 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zEz3F-0000CA-00; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:49:33 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:48:48 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9D932F@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mike'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Elvis's Harley Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:46:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain AND he's going to sing at my wedding. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike [SMTP:wowbager@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 12:30 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Elvis's Harley > > This can not be true! As you all know "The King" lives, and has > been > riding for the past twenty one years, and taking occasional trips into > space with his alien friends. :-) > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 13:11:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15288 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02445 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00038 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10119; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:11:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199809041711.NAA10119@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Mike , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:11:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Elvis's Harley Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980904123005.006cbe74@mail.dc.net> References: <8be7c890.35eff27c@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 4 Sep 98, at 12:30, Mike wrote: > This can not be true! As you all know "The King" lives, and has been > riding for the past twenty one years, and taking occasional trips into > space with his alien friends. :-) Didn't you see "Men in Black?" Elvis IS a space alien! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 13:16:31 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15732 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:16:30 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 1IUEa25245; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <97993e5b.35f02047@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:15:51 EDT To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Colleen, telling you to have fun would be pointless, I guess.... ; ) >I WANNA BE YOU!!! But then you'd be poor and nearsighted! From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 13:56:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17436 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07493 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02182 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA06967; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980904175519.XDIZ618@localHost>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:55:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Opinions/Suggestions? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980904175519.XDIZ618@localHost> Nice start. I know GeoCities is free and all, but that damned little advert is annoying. T Message-ID: <35F0171D.431A3D8@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:36:45 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" Reply-To: gixer@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Opinions/Suggestions? Well folks, over the last couple of days Brian M. and I have been putting together a little web page for the racing effort, and things are coming along nicely. We'd appreciate if ya'll would take a peak at it for general content and professionalism... A few problems that I already know about are: 1) text on intro image is a little hard to read--->will fix in time..lot of work into that 2) links for Jay and Joe's profile not working-->will work as soon as they fill in the info A couple of the pages are a bit sparce still, but overall effect/layout is what I'm concerned with...we're adding content as we come along. Thanks for helping out... DC-Cycles Racing Collin, Brian, Joe, and Jay http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/racing.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 14:13:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18078 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09556 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03168 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.22] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00885; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:13:04 -0400 Message-ID: <042201bdd82f$eb2b7c00$4a73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: Opinions/Suggestions? Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:14:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cool site! I like it. A little tweaking here & there, it'll be just fine. >Well folks, over the last couple of days Brian M. and I have been >putting together a little web page for the racing effort, and things are >coming along nicely. > >We'd appreciate if ya'll would take a peak at it for general content and >professionalism... >A few problems that I already know about are: >1) text on intro image is a little hard to read--->will fix in time..lot >of work into that >2) links for Jay and Joe's profile not working-->will work as soon as >they fill in the info > > >A couple of the pages are a bit sparce still, but overall effect/layout >is what I'm concerned with...we're adding content as we come along. > >Thanks for helping out... >DC-Cycles Racing >Collin, Brian, Joe, and Jay > >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/racing.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 14:48:10 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19912 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p214.smart.net [206.97.127.214]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13628; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:47:59 -0400 Message-ID: <02f901bdd834$99aea320$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , Subject: Re: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:48:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 11:16 AM Subject: Re: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) >As people who have been on the list for a while know, I rarely promote my >business here. However, I have noticed a lot of new names lately. Most probably because DC Cycles was listed in the latest MCN under Internet mailing lists. I hope Harry's server is able to handle the increased output. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 14:48:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19922 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12149 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05311 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:48:16 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WVIVa16073 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:47:32 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: rookie help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I was in your boat at the beginning of summer so I can relate. Definitely take the MSF course. It fills up early but if you go on Thursday about 3 or 4 o'clock and don't mind waiting around they fill no shows on a first come first serve basis. There is usually at least one no show because if you're not there at the exact time it starts they don't wait. Not even 5 minutes. The other benefit is you use their bikes, their helmets, etc and when you pass you don't have to take the MVA test to get you license. I took it at PG Community College and it cost $55 for in state registrants. As far a what bike to buy I would say a lot depends on what you like. You wouldn't want to buy a sportbike if you're a Harley/Cruiser kind of person and vice versa. As far as the size I would say to stick with 750cc or less. Don't get this next statement wrong. If you're mature and plan to be a mature rider then I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 600cc or 750cc bike. My first is a '96 ZX-6E. If you're younger and prone to a little more aggressiveness it may be best to stick with a 500. However, you will out grow a 500 in one summer. As far as where to buy. Check the paper or better yet search www.washingtonpost.com classifieds. You can search for ads from the past as opposed to just those in the paper. You can find bikes that are $500 to $1000 less than dealers would charge for the same used bike. I would definitely buy a used bike. You don't want to drop a new one, it'll break your heart. - KO From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 14:51:15 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20024 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 3JUUa14124 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:50:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >>As people who have been on the list for a while know, I rarely promote my >>business here. However, I have noticed a lot of new names lately. > >Most probably because DC Cycles was listed in the latest MCN under Internet >mailing lists. I hope Harry's server is able to handle the increased >output. Really? Hey Harry, how many are subscribed? C From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 15:32:05 1998 Return-Path: skight@XXXXXX Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21883 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:32:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A59110130422@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , Scot Kight , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:31:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since evidently you dont know jack about ducati's in general. Here are some facts. I have 14k miles on my 900ss. Problems? 1. Headlight connecter. Even though my warantee had expired, ducati still replaced it at their cost. Friend of mine, 47k miles on his 900ss. Problems? 1. He broke the frame after doing a wheelie over a hill when the front smacked down "Really hard" But didnt even know it was broken for almost 10k miles. And it was a very small break. Pain to fix though, but what frame crack isnt? Or of course there are is the line of 900ss's here in a picture I have, most with almost 20k miles on each one of them. Problems? Some have leaky clutch seal (5 minute fix) none have motor problems at all. Shall I go on? I can. Go to the ducati list, and ask who has had problems. You will recieve a few mails, mostly from 916 owners and modified (12to1 with 944+ kits) on their 900ss's. Ask who hasnt, and you will get deluged with responsed from people with 916's 900ss's, st2's, 900ss's with 944 kits and HC pistons, and on and on. The ducati is an extreamly dependable bike. The bits and peices just make sence. The only trick is the dealer HAS to make sure its right the first time. Initially they are a little bit easy to damage unfortunately. Now onto the real message, yes, the ST2 is expensive. To me it would be worth streatching the budget a bit to go up to the st2. You could probably get a used one 98 for under 10k. So that makes it under 1k over the 9k limit. Is there something wrong with that? (Besides stretching the limit) If you want to go under the limit, get a 900ss/cr. Battley's still has one, or can get one I am sure. in 95 they were 7700. last year I think 8100 or so. Brand new That is well under the limit. When I was trying them out the direct competition was : VFR : Nice bike, very neutral. but god its neutral. CBR1000: Big, heavy, hate the breaks. ZX-11: nice bike, used, and I wanted new. Ducati: Extreamly comfortable, fit me perfectly (5'11" 160lbs) looked damn good, lots of torque, and sounded extreamly nice. Riding was a bit harsh on the city streets, but out in the country, going though the twisties, I couldnt find anything that even came withen a mile of that bike, for the cost. If anyone actually wants to know about ducati, and not just "I herd from my neighbors brothers dog that ducati has problems" email me. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas H. Gimer [mailto:tgimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 8:43 AM To: Scot Kight; 'DC Cycles' Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Hmmm....the guy asks for advice concerning 2 Hondas and he gets 3 Ducatis recommended to him that are $4k out of his price range. I'm certain he'll appreciate the advice. Not to mention the cost of servicing the Italian money pits. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 15:33:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21913 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15398 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08527 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:32:47 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:32:20 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: gixer@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Opinions/Suggestions? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I second that motion. Scooter >>> Todd Peer 09/04/98 01:54PM >>> Nice start. I know GeoCities is free and all, but that damned little advert is annoying. T Message-ID: <35F0171D.431A3D8@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:36:45 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" Reply-To: gixer@XXXXXX=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Subject: Opinions/Suggestions? Well folks, over the last couple of days Brian M. and I have been putting together a little web page for the racing effort, and things are coming along nicely. We'd appreciate if ya'll would take a peak at it for general content and professionalism... A few problems that I already know about are: 1) text on intro image is a little hard to read--->will fix in time..lot of work into that 2) links for Jay and Joe's profile not working-->will work as soon as they fill in the info A couple of the pages are a bit sparce still, but overall effect/layout is what I'm concerned with...we're adding content as we come along. Thanks for helping out... DC-Cycles Racing Collin, Brian, Joe, and Jay http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/racing.html=20 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 15:55:27 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22860 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p214.smart.net [206.97.127.214]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA16093; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <039601bdd83d$f75b4380$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Scot Kight" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:55:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Scot Kight To: 'Thomas H. Gimer' ; Scot Kight ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 3:32 PM Subject: RE: VFR vs XX >Since evidently you dont know jack about ducati's in general. Here are some >facts. I have 14k miles on my 900ss. Problems? 1. Headlight connecter. >Even though my warantee had expired, ducati still replaced it at their cost. Did I say REPAIRS? No. I said SERVICE. What does it cost you to keep your bikes on the road when putting a decent amount of mileage on them (read: at least 10k miles/year)? What does a valve adjustment cost and how often should it be done on your 916? I'm assuming you won't be doing that work yourself, of course. >Friend of mine, 47k miles on his 900ss. Problems? 1. He broke the frame >after doing a wheelie over a hill when the front smacked down "Really hard" >But didnt even know it was broken for almost 10k miles. And it was a very >small break. Pain to fix though, but what frame crack isnt? Interesting story. Don't quite see how it relates, though. >Or of course there are is the line of 900ss's here in a picture I have, most >with almost 20k miles on each one of them. Problems? Some have leaky clutch >seal (5 minute fix) none have motor problems at all. > >Shall I go on? >I can. No thanks. >Go to the ducati list, and ask who has had problems. You will recieve a few >mails, mostly from 916 owners and modified (12to1 with 944+ kits) on their >900ss's. > >Ask who hasnt, and you will get deluged with responsed from people with >916's 900ss's, st2's, 900ss's with 944 kits and HC pistons, and on and on. > >The ducati is an extreamly dependable bike. The bits and peices just make >sence. The only trick is the dealer HAS to make sure its right the first >time. Initially they are a little bit easy to damage unfortunately. > >Now onto the real message, yes, the ST2 is expensive. To me it would be >worth streatching the budget a bit to go up to the st2. You could probably >get a used one 98 for under 10k. So that makes it under 1k over the 9k >limit. Is there something wrong with that? (Besides stretching the limit) > >If you want to go under the limit, get a 900ss/cr. Battley's still has one, >or can get one I am sure. in 95 they were 7700. last year I think 8100 or >so. Brand new > >That is well under the limit. Only problem is that the man asked about the VFR and the XX....didn't see him ask for a full line of what Ducati has to offer. Sorry if my response came out especially rude....that tends to happen at 9 in the morning (and often throughout the day). >When I was trying them out the direct competition was : >VFR : Nice bike, very neutral. but god its neutral. >CBR1000: Big, heavy, hate the breaks. >ZX-11: nice bike, used, and I wanted new. >Ducati: Extreamly comfortable, fit me perfectly (5'11" 160lbs) looked damn >good, lots of torque, and sounded extreamly nice. Riding was a bit harsh on >the city streets, but out in the country, going though the twisties, I >couldnt find anything that even came withen a mile of that bike, for the >cost. This is a crock. Why drop $15k on a bike that statistically matches up with a $9k TL1000S. I'm sorry, but "looked damn good" and "sounded extremely nice" don't add up to $6k. But, judging by your stable (nice car, two ducatis), you don't care too much about the cost. It would be nice if we could all shop without that worry. >If anyone actually wants to know about ducati, and not just "I herd from my >neighbors brothers dog that ducati has problems" email me. Well, regardless of what you think, I would like to know something about Ducati. I want an unbiased opinion about the 748. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 15:58:36 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22954 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:58:34 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08996; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809042000.QAA08996@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: VFR vs XX To: Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thetrick@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" at Sep 4, 98 07:54:15 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > comfortable on long trips (6+ hours) > > Haven't ridden the XX on that long of a trip but I suspect it would be fine. > Zbig, you want to speak up here? I've been on two 6+ hour trips since > purchasing my VFR two weeks ago and it was comfy on both occasions. Still > trying to get my wrists to adjust to the different riding position though. > VFR is more comfy - I was surprised how relaxed VFR is after XX workout. 6-10 hours is OK on XX, but at the end of the day you will feel wrists and you will be moving around. For long highway touring, get Throttle-meister. > > Both bikes fit this category too. The XX IMO is more an open road bike then > a back road burner. It just doesn't have enough ground clearance for the > tight twisties. Ask Zbig who used to drag his faring on roads like US 33 > and US 250. So for speed take XX, for all around fun get the VFR. > Agreed. If you thrive on letting any 4 wheeler and vast majority of 2 wheel breathe your exhaus on highway, XX is the king. If you want a nimble all-rounder, VFR is nicer. > > I really do like my VFR, it a great bike. The XX is a great bike too but I > don't see why anyone needs all that power. Seriously, I couldn't believe > how damn fast that thing was. I think I hit 105 in second gear with little > effort. Too much bike for me, that's for sure. > :-). Right. Cops are the worst part of XX> > > I think someone suggested an R1. I think that's a bad suggestion. Its a > lot of bike meant for serious sport riding, not sport touring. Also there > is a damn waiting list to get one. And you'll also go over your 9K limit. Agreed. R1 is as close to race machien as you want to be on the streets. > > Good luck. > > Glenn > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 15:59:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22965 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16696 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09773 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zF213-0004IU-00; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:59:29 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9D933E@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'SCOTT Rush'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Opinions/Suggestions? Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:56:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You're right, they are!! I've got one on my site too. www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 ...but if you look at it, please be kind with criticisms. ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 3:32 PM > To: gixer@XXXXXX; Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Opinions/Suggestions? > > I second that motion. > > Scooter > > >>> Todd Peer 09/04/98 01:54PM >>> > > Nice start. I know GeoCities is free and all, but that damned little > advert is annoying. > > T > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 16:02:02 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23354 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.50]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:58:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Scot Kight" , "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: <009e01bdd83e$70083540$010000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A59110130422@enterprise.reliacom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal If memory serves, all of the electrics (parts most likely to go wrong on Italian bikes of yore) are solid state Japanese, not Giovanni, or whatever Lucas' cousin on the continent was named:) ST2 is attractive. From some angles. Not all. And it's a bit less than similar stuff from BMW (about the same as the ST1100, I think). More expensive than Buells. But, I'd rather not have to count on their somewhat sparse dealer network. It can be tough enough finding BMW dealers. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 16:05:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23467 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17024 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10046 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p214.smart.net [206.97.127.214]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA16545; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:05:43 -0400 Message-ID: <03aa01bdd83f$737aaa40$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Sean Sullivan" , Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:06:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I'd love to get another opportunity to chase down the Bird. Maybe on next year's Deals Gap trip? -----Original Message----- From: Sean Sullivan To: ; Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 10:08 AM Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX >Re: VFR vs. XX > >Zbig does, when he's being chased by a big Ninja. > > >Tom Gimer wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >I've yet to find someone who's actually topped one out. Like anyone really >needs the last 20 mph. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 16:27:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24391 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17349 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10966 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809042027.QAA10966@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD215210208; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:27:13 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:31:25 -0400 To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Meaty comments on Colortune/Gas Tester In-Reply-To: <08fd01bdd238$97aada00$3c10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > The rear cylinder exhaust gave me reading of 3.34 - >3.85 CO. Subtract the initial "flat line" calibration of 2.0, and the >readings would be 1.34 - 1.85 CO. Just barely on the rich side of perfectly >balanced. On the front cylinder exhausts, I got richer readings: 4.30 - >5.50 CO (as I said, it didn't really settle down very well!), or, after >recalibration, readings of 2.30 - 3.50. ... And they recommend CO levels >just on the rich side, at 3.0, or for best performance, around 5.0. I was wondering about these levels, so compared them to the last VA Emissions Test report I got on the car. VA maximums for this old 1984 car were 1.32% CO at 15mph, and 1.47% CO at 25 mph. So running a bike at 3-5% CO sure does seem dirty! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 16:28:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24401 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17358 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10992 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 484; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:27:20 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980904162617.00a3a230@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:27:20 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'SCOTT Rush'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Opinions/Suggestions? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow Jeannette, is that YOUR bike? hehehe. Great pics! At 03:56 PM 9/4/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >You're right, they are!! I've got one on my site too. >www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >...but if you look at it, please be kind with criticisms. ; ) > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SCOTT Rush [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 3:32 PM >> To: gixer@XXXXXX; Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Opinions/Suggestions? >> >> I second that motion. >> >> Scooter >> >> >>> Todd Peer 09/04/98 01:54PM >>> >> >> Nice start. I know GeoCities is free and all, but that damned little >> advert is annoying. >> >> T >> >> >> > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "I used to be apathetic, but now I just don't care." From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 16:49:50 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25338 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p214.smart.net [206.97.127.214]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA18253; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:49:36 -0400 Message-ID: <03da01bdd845$9788a620$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Scot Kight" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:49:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 A couple more things to add which you may find interesting when adding up the numbers: 900SS: 75 hp; 55 ft lbs of torque; 11.6 sec. 1/4 mile at 116 mph; 139 mph top speed; $11k VFR800FI: 99 hp; 60 ft lbs of torque; 11.2 sec 1/4 mile at 120.22 mph; 147 mph top speed; $9k According to the latest Cycle World the SS is "a bargain only compared to the 916." At least you can feel like you got a bargain on one of your bikes. -----Original Message----- From: Scot Kight Subject: RE: VFR vs XX >Since evidently you dont know jack about ducati's in general. Here are some >facts. I have 14k miles on my 900ss. Problems? 1. Headlight connecter. >Even though my warantee had expired, ducati still replaced it at their cost. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 17:11:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26303 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18415 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13499 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p214.smart.net [206.97.127.214]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA19116 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:11:18 -0400 Message-ID: <040801bdd848$9cf097a0$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:11:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I'm forwarding this because Scot had the wrong DC-Cycles address in the message I responded to. -----Original Message----- From: Scot Kight To: 'Thomas H. Gimer' ; Scot Kight ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 3:32 PM Subject: RE: VFR vs XX >Since evidently you dont know jack about ducati's in general. Here are some >facts. I have 14k miles on my 900ss. Problems? 1. Headlight connecter. >Even though my warantee had expired, ducati still replaced it at their cost. Did I say REPAIRS? No. I said SERVICE. What does it cost you to keep your bikes on the road when putting a decent amount of mileage on them (read: at least 10k miles/year)? What does a valve adjustment cost and how often should it be done on your 916? I'm assuming you won't be doing that work yourself, of course. >Friend of mine, 47k miles on his 900ss. Problems? 1. He broke the frame >after doing a wheelie over a hill when the front smacked down "Really hard" >But didnt even know it was broken for almost 10k miles. And it was a very >small break. Pain to fix though, but what frame crack isnt? Interesting story. Don't quite see how it relates, though. >Or of course there are is the line of 900ss's here in a picture I have, most >with almost 20k miles on each one of them. Problems? Some have leaky clutch >seal (5 minute fix) none have motor problems at all. > >Shall I go on? >I can. No thanks. >Go to the ducati list, and ask who has had problems. You will recieve a few >mails, mostly from 916 owners and modified (12to1 with 944+ kits) on their >900ss's. > >Ask who hasnt, and you will get deluged with responsed from people with >916's 900ss's, st2's, 900ss's with 944 kits and HC pistons, and on and on. > >The ducati is an extreamly dependable bike. The bits and peices just make >sence. The only trick is the dealer HAS to make sure its right the first >time. Initially they are a little bit easy to damage unfortunately. > >Now onto the real message, yes, the ST2 is expensive. To me it would be >worth streatching the budget a bit to go up to the st2. You could probably >get a used one 98 for under 10k. So that makes it under 1k over the 9k >limit. Is there something wrong with that? (Besides stretching the limit) > >If you want to go under the limit, get a 900ss/cr. Battley's still has one, >or can get one I am sure. in 95 they were 7700. last year I think 8100 or >so. Brand new > >That is well under the limit. Only problem is that the man asked about the VFR and the XX....didn't see him ask for a full line of what Ducati has to offer. Sorry if my response came out especially rude....that tends to happen at 9 in the morning (and often throughout the day). >When I was trying them out the direct competition was : >VFR : Nice bike, very neutral. but god its neutral. >CBR1000: Big, heavy, hate the breaks. >ZX-11: nice bike, used, and I wanted new. >Ducati: Extreamly comfortable, fit me perfectly (5'11" 160lbs) looked damn >good, lots of torque, and sounded extreamly nice. Riding was a bit harsh on >the city streets, but out in the country, going though the twisties, I >couldnt find anything that even came withen a mile of that bike, for the >cost. This is a crock. Why drop $15k on a bike that statistically matches up with a $9k TL1000S. I'm sorry, but "looked damn good" and "sounded extremely nice" don't add up to $6k. But, judging by your stable (nice car, two ducatis), you don't care too much about the cost. It would be nice if we could all shop without that worry. >If anyone actually wants to know about ducati, and not just "I herd from my >neighbors brothers dog that ducati has problems" email me. Well, regardless of what you think, I would like to know something about Ducati. I want an unbiased opinion about the 748. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 17:13:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26660 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18433 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13561 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p214.smart.net [206.97.127.214]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA19207 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:13:34 -0400 Message-ID: <041001bdd848$edc50940$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:13:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Forwarding this one as well (for the same reason): ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - A couple more things to add which you may find interesting when adding up the numbers: 900SS: 75 hp; 55 ft lbs of torque; 11.6 sec. 1/4 mile at 116 mph; 139 mph top speed; $11k VFR800FI: 99 hp; 60 ft lbs of torque; 11.2 sec 1/4 mile at 120.22 mph; 147 mph top speed; $9k According to the latest Cycle World the SS is "a bargain only compared to the 916." At least you can feel like you got a bargain on one of your bikes. -----Original Message----- From: Scot Kight Subject: RE: VFR vs XX >Since evidently you dont know jack about ducati's in general. Here are some >facts. I have 14k miles on my 900ss. Problems? 1. Headlight connecter. >Even though my warantee had expired, ducati still replaced it at their cost. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 17:17:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26757 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18693 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13836 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:18:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:17:39 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Opinions/Suggestions? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'll go along with that. Nice bike and pics. :-) Don't worry about how = your website looks, some people, like me, don't even have one. Scooter >>> "Michael Troutman" 09/04/98 04:27PM >>> Wow Jeannette, is that YOUR bike? hehehe. Great pics! At 03:56 PM 9/4/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >You're right, they are!! I've got one on my site too. >www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081=20 >...but if you look at it, please be kind with criticisms. ; ) > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SCOTT Rush [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX]=20 >> Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 3:32 PM >> To: gixer@XXXXXX; Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX=20 >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 >> Subject: Re: Opinions/Suggestions? >>=20 >> I second that motion. >>=20 >> Scooter >>=20 >> >>> Todd Peer 09/04/98 01:54PM >>> >>=20 >> Nice start. I know GeoCities is free and all, but that damned little >> advert is annoying. >>=20 >> T >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman=20 http://www.troutman.org=20 "I used to be apathetic, but now I just don't care." From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 17:51:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28134 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19462 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15343 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-92.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.92]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id RAA22312; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809042149.RAA22312@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:47:37 -0400 To: Todd Peer , "Collin T. Fagan" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Opinions/Suggestions? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980904175519.XDIZ618@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, and once isn't even enough -- it pops up on every page! MET At 01:54 PM 9/4/98 , Todd Peer wrote: > >Nice start. I know GeoCities is free and all, but that damned little >advert is annoying. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 18:03:48 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28563 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA09342; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809042204.SAA09342@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: VFR vs XX -Reply -Reply -Reply To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX (JOE NAGY) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, thetrick@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "JOE NAGY" at Sep 4, 98 10:57:34 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > As I recall, that's one of the reasons I bought the Ninja instead when I > had the chance to buy either for the same price. And with a Corbin seat > and Storz bar kit, it's just as comfy as the FJ. > Joe > '85 Ninja > > >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 9/4/98 10:40 > AM >>> > As long as you don't want ground clearance. Don't ask me how I know! > :-) > > Glenn > > > > Oh yeah, I forgot--FJ 12s are sweet bikes too. > Right. Had one for 2 years - very nice bike. Great for long trips... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 18:09:48 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28913 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA09383; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809042210.SAA09383@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: VFR vs XX To: brown@XXXXXX (Keyser Soze) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199809041237.IAA09324@seismo.CSS.GOV> from "Keyser Soze" at Sep 4, 98 08:34:09 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > At 07:54 AM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Since I just rode an XX this past weekend I can comment here. > > > > sport-touring capabilities (capable of handling some type of > >hardbag) > > > >Should be no problem for the either bike. Givi bags for the XX (may be > >available for the VFR too) and Corbin makes hard bags for the VFR. > > Yes, Givi has bags for the Viffer. > > > Given a choice between the two... I'd go with the VFR. Its big enough > without being /too/ big. Both are wonderful bikes, however. Kevin ( umm.. Dan ) I remeber that you have been dreaming about VFR for last 5 years at least. As a matter of fact, I was just curious to compare this two bikes. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 18:50:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00851 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20316 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18744 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 1EMNa08191; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:49:32 EDT To: tad@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-09-04 07:14:39 EDT, tad@XXXXXX writes: << You may also consider a R1, but it doesn't have the honda reputation :^), and it's not a VFR. >> Whew, that's a stretch, can't imagine two sporting motorcycles more different than the VFR and R-1. Ciao, Fred 86-VFR-750 98-ZX-9R 75 Norton Commando From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 18:52:56 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00861 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:52:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 6JWMa28984; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:51:37 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX, skight@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-09-04 08:47:54 EDT, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << Linked brakes >> Yuckkkkkkkk Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 19:11:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01693 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20564 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19243 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 6ZUQa10123; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <888542c2.35f07309@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:08:57 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX, MINEREG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-09-04 16:13:26 EDT, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << 'd love to get another opportunity to chase down the Bird. Maybe on next year's Deals Gap trip? >> Read a maxi-test in Italian mag run at the Nurenburgring (about 12 bikes). The XX came out less capable than the ZX-6-R much less the 916, R-1 and ZX-9R (which came in that order overall). VFR-800 didn't do the times of those bikes but was rated above the XX. The XX is just too heavy to be fun in the twisties (the mags comment on it) and when i test road one this spring it felt very heavy. The VFR is plenty fast and fun in the twisties, if it didn't have linked brakes (can't teach an old dog new tricks) I probaby would have bought it instead of my 98-ZX-9R. Of course I own an older one (VFR) and may be biased. Still think my ZX-9R is a good sport tourer, but if you think the XX is overpowered the ZX-9R may be a bit much. About 110 lbs. lighter and close to the same HP as an XX. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 19:27:48 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02452 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" , tgimer@XXXXXX, skight@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR vs XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:26:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Maybe the first versions, but have you tried the system on the 800? Its excellent. Glenn > << Linked brakes >> > Yuckkkkkkkk > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 20:02:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03984 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21247 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20252 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p206.smart.net [206.97.127.206]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA23834; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:02:37 -0400 Message-ID: <044301bdd860$8bc140c0$c27f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , , Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:02:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 The XX is too heavy to be fun in the twisties? Tell that to our Polish fairing-scraping friend, Zbig. As far as the ZX-9R is concerned, I only wish I could have ridden one by now......seems like a perfect bike (other than the available color schemes), but too pricey to think about at this point..... What I think Glenn meant when he said the XX was too powerful was that he could not see ever NEEDING that much power. He's got a point.....I don't think you ever NEED 130+ hp unless you're on the racetrack. Of course, some of us do WANT it. =8-D -----Original Message----- From: To: ; ; Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 7:10 PM Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX >In a message dated 98-09-04 16:13:26 EDT, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: > ><< 'd love to get another opportunity to chase down the Bird. Maybe on next > year's Deals Gap trip? > >> >Read a maxi-test in Italian mag run at the Nurenburgring (about 12 bikes). >The XX came out less capable than the ZX-6-R much less the 916, R-1 and ZX-9R >(which came in that order overall). VFR-800 didn't do the times of those >bikes but was rated above the XX. The XX is just too heavy to be fun in the >twisties (the mags comment on it) and when i test road one this spring it >felt very heavy. The VFR is plenty fast and fun in the twisties, if it didn't >have linked brakes (can't teach an old dog new tricks) I probaby would have >bought it instead of my 98-ZX-9R. Of course I own an older one (VFR) and may >be biased. Still think my ZX-9R is a good sport tourer, but if you think the >XX is overpowered the ZX-9R may be a bit much. About 110 lbs. lighter and >close to the same HP as an XX. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 20:50:45 1998 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05988 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809050050.UAA05988@meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:50:36 EDT." Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 20:50:44 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >>Most probably because DC Cycles was listed in the latest MCN under Internet >>mailing lists. I hope Harry's server is able to handle the increased >>output. > >Really? Hey Harry, how many are subscribed? dc-cycles has 170 subscribers. BTW, we should get used to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'. Our generous hosts at the University of Maryland recently politely hinted "hey, you haven't worked here for two and a half years now, move your mailing list off our machines already!" (actually, they were much more polite than that). As such, the list has moved from its home at the University of Maryland where it had resided since its inception in 1990 (or thereabouts), to its new home at dc-cycles.org, which was established earlier this year in preparation for this eventuality. Since I can't see dc-cycles kicking the dc-cycles list off of dc-cycles.org, I think it should be safe in its new home for quite some time to come. The old addresses of 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' ('90-'92) and 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' ('92-'98) actually still all work, and probably will for quite a while. Mail sent to the old addresses is forwarded to the new 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' address. -harry From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 21:50:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08593 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23073 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22231 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc2-s2.wizard.net [206.161.15.78]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16246 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:50:39 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980904215040.009d4570@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:50:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX - Thanks (long) In-Reply-To: <888542c2.35f07309@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lots of lively comments, as usual. >once you ride it you won't care. You may also consider a R1, but it doesn't >have the honda reputation :^), and it's not a VFR. > >Tom De Boeser I consider the YZF-R1 a pure sport bike, not suitable for sport-touring, and most of the responses to this comment confirmed that feeling. Plus, I don't want to pay insurance on the thing, because I am sure its exorbitant. > stable at 'elevated' highway speeds > >How elevated are you going to be? Most mountains on the east coast are >going to fine for most bikes. On the other hand if you get a 98 VFR its >injected and you don't have to worry about it. > >Glenn Mountains? When I said 'elevated' I meant how it performed on the Whitehurst Freeway.... :-) >how damn fast that thing was. I think I hit 105 in second gear with little >effort. Too much bike for me, that's for sure. > >Glenn Geez, don't tempt me like that...... (shudder) >Hmmm....the guy asks for advice concerning 2 Hondas and he gets 3 Ducatis >recommended to him that are $4k out of his price range. I'm certain he'll >appreciate the advice. Not to mention the cost of servicing the Italian >money pits. > >Thomas H. Gimer Well, I did ask for others. And I would like an ST2 (or ST4) (a 748/916 would be the death of me, like the R1, but good golly they are purty), but you are right, they are out of my price range for this winter, and maintenance costs of _any_ bike are something to consider. (An aside - does riding a Ducati 748/916 exempt one from being called a squid??? A couple of Ducati riders blew by me on 211 over the Blue Ridge. I was doing 40, they were doing warp 7. The second one dipped well below the yellow line on a nicely banked uphill curve. They were more properly dressed than the sterotypical squid, but their riding behavior.....) >How about buying three Hawks? Put Givi bags on one and make it a tourer. >Put a built Africa Twin motor in one and make it a hot rod. FInally, keep >the last one stock. Oh man, I'm gonna suffer Tom's wrath on this one... :) > >Kirk 3 bikes, not a bad idea. Maybe a '81 CBX for touring, a VF500 for twisties/urban streetfighting, and a UJM with soft bags and windshield for everyday use? Heck, those would probably cost only about $7k... what to get as a fourth.... :-) ---------------- The consensus seems to be: VFR - sporty, fun, comfy, fun, dreamy, fun (did I say fun?) XX - fast, heavy, fun, heavy, fast (did I say fast?) Which is about what I expected. This informal survey seems to favor the VFR, as did I before asking, especially a VFR with Staintunes - golly gee, those are some great sounding pipes. The comments about the other bikes (RF900, GPZ1100 (Anita), YZF600, etc) are appreciated. I'll certainly take them into consideration. Thanks, and be safe out there this weekend! Tom 1980 CX500D From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 4 22:05:40 1998 Return-Path: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09367 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:05:38 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc2-s2.wizard.net [206.161.15.78]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17061; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:05:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980904220542.009e0700@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:05:42 -0400 To: MotorLE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) In-Reply-To: <6db5dcca.35f0029d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Geez, I'm so jealous I almost tempted to not recommend you. :-) Tom 1980 CX500D At 11:09 AM 9/4/98 EDT, MotorLE@XXXXXX wrote: >>> Okay, I just took the course in Va a couple of months ago. Gear required >>> to participate is: Shoes that cover the ankle; leather gloves; long >>> sleave shirt; and jeans. Sunglasses are also required if you use one of >>> their beanie helmets. >> >>That's just for the course. More will be desired on the street. See >>Colleen's web page for used gear www.aol.com/~motorle (crap, that's from >>memory, someone please correct...) > >I have my own .com now - the new address is www.leatherexchange.com >I'm still switching, so the old address works too - >http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html > >As people who have been on the list for a while know, I rarely promote my >business here. However, I have noticed a lot of new names lately. For those of >you who don't know, I sell used motorcycle gear. Anyone with any interest in >this can check out the above web address. > >In case anyone cares, I'm leaving on Tuesday for Germany. My excellent >boyfriend managed to win an Edelweiss tour, so this time next week, we'll be >riding BMWs in the Alps for free! Woo-hoo, yippee, etc. > >Colleen > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 00:28:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15159 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25384 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24862 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sat, 05 Sep 1998 00:24:59 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , Subject: RE: VFR vs. XX Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:24:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdd885$15cabca0$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <044301bdd860$8bc140c0$c27f61ce@richard> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Kawi green is the most beautiful color there is. Much better than Honda red, or BMW battleship grey (somebody must have spiked the schnitzel for them to come up with the taxicab K12) Kawi green/blue on the K11.... That could be an idea... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > As far as the ZX-9R is concerned, I only wish I could have ridden one by > now......seems like a perfect bike (other than the available > color schemes), > but too pricey to think about at this point..... From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 09:43:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10715 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01106 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (known x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00466 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jeep.guy@XXXXXX) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNDUYUA3; Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:39:53 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawi green - beautiful? (NOT!) ;-) Message-ID: <19980905.015100.5271.0.jeep.guy@juno.com> References: <000001bdd885$15cabca0$650000c0@demon> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,10-14,17,19-28 From: jeep.guy@XXXXXX (Erik von Darkmoor) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:39:53 EDT Kawi green is NOT beautiful. It is DISTINCTIVE, maybe, but not beautiful. It's the color of bug innards. It's the color of newborn baby poop (any other parents want to back me on this?). When I was a kid, I sweated and toiled for hours on end behind a Lawn Boy push mower that was exactly that color. Team Kawasaki picked that color because all the good ones were already taken. (Incidentally, that is also how VDOT ended up in safety orange trucks...) Just kidding you about your color preference. You know you can't throw a comment like that out and not have somebody respond this way... (However, neither of my Kawasakis (Vulcan Classic and a ZX) is Team Green. :) -On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:24:34 -0400 "George Howell" -writes: Kawi green is the most beautiful color there is. Much better than -Honda red, or BMW battleship grey (somebody must have spiked the schnitzel -for >them to come up with the taxicab K12) - -Kawi green/blue on the K11.... That could be an idea... - ----------------------------------------- --George Howell -ghowell@XXXXXX -georgehowell@XXXXXX - - _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 10:28:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12465 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01464 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00888 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 6TPTa11275; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8e4552d1.35f149b7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:24:55 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX, MINEREG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/4/98 8:03:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << s far as the ZX-9R is concerned, I only wish I could have ridden one by now......seems like a perfect bike (other than the available color schemes), but too pricey to think about at this point..... >> Mine is a beautiful blue. (I bought the blue plastic and tank from Canada) it was red originally. Anyone need red plastic and tank from a 98-ZX-R Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 10:57:40 1998 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (root@XXXXXX [140.162.1.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13718 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (brauhaus.CSS.GOV [140.162.4.56]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02150; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.44.19980905082406.00979b40@pop.cmr.gov> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 08:57:06 -0400 To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) From: Keyser Soze Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199809042210.SAA09383@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <199809041237.IAA09324@seismo.CSS.GOV> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:10 PM 9/4/98 -0400, zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >> Given a choice between the two... I'd go with the VFR. Its big enough >> without being /too/ big. Both are wonderful bikes, however. > > >Kevin ( umm.. Dan ) I remeber that you have been dreaming about VFR >for last 5 years at least. As a matter of fact, I was just curious to >compare this two bikes. > Its Keyser, Zbig.. :-) go see "The Ususal Susupects" Anyhow... I've ridden both, though the VFR I've been on was/is a number of years old, at this point. It was a previous generation of Honda. The VFR didn't have the really nimble feel of the XX. It was closer, though without as much power, to the FJ. It was a little towards the long and heavy side, slightly piggy in the corners... though nothing like the old CB750+full fairing which I learned to ride on. The VFR /was/ well behaved... took an bit of getting used to, but was beautifully smooth on the highway and could still straighten twisties with enough juice to induce pucker factor. The XX, though I've only been on it relatively briefly, was almost too big and tweaked for my tastes. Too nimble, you could say. Its an overgrown repli-racer thats aimed towards the touring crowd, while it has attributes of both, it ends up not being quite either. To me, it felt jumpy and the ergonomics weren't quite what I'd want in a tourer... it didn't have that nice stable feel, like the FJ or the VFR that would give someone that "Hey, I could ride this thing all day." You yourself, Zbig, have said that you get fatigued after some time on it. It, to its credit, did have the feel of being a "next generation" machine, next to the FJ (Zbigs Ex) I had at the time. Having said all this, I'll also say that between the VFR (old) and the FJ1200, I'd pick the FJ. Its just that little tiny bit shorter than the VFR which allows me to feel a bit more comfortable flatfooting it, etc, and then was just boiling over with smooth power. Take all of these comments with a large grain of salt. I'd have to give a try to the newer VFR800 (which is the bike I'm currently lusting after) to really say anything reasonable here. -- "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" -- Verbal Kint. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 11:01:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13811 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01732 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01251 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA24339; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:01:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv2-24.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.88) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024280; Sat Sep 5 10:00:41 1998 Message-ID: <35F19386.1423@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 12:40:35 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non Moto-Related Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a web site, that has dealer pricing/costs on new automobiles. I lost the URL, I was using it last fall. Anybody know where it is, I cant find it doing a web-search... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 11:13:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14603 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01827 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01377 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19082; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:14:49 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11978BE@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'shephar1@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Non Moto-Related Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:14:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain try http://www.edmunds.com You can also find kelly blue book on the web, but their info is more aligned towards the dealer side of things. i.e. used prices will be awefully low(what the dealer would offer for trade in) whereas Edmunds will give you a better idea of what the value's market value is (private sale price) I've found them fairly accurate when I've gone looking for a vehicle... > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken [SMTP:shephar1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 1998 11:08 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Non Moto-Related > > There is a web site, that has dealer pricing/costs on new automobiles. > I lost the URL, I was using it last fall. Anybody know where it is, I > cant find it doing a web-search... > -- > Ken S. > HDKnight > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 19:22:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04787 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10156 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10525 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 05 Sep 1998 19:24:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 19:23:54 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another Brother Down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I was on my way to my sisters house in Manassas today when I came upon an = accident. As I got close to the 495/Dulles exit of 66 West, I saw a car = with its front end wrapped around a tree. When I got closer, I saw a = motorcycle also wrapped around a tree. I couldn't tell what kind, only = that it was a sportbike. The bike rider and car driver must have already = been taken away. The only people around were the cop and some people he = must have been interviewing about the accident. But from the looks of the = bike, the rider was probably hurt bad. I hope it was no one on the list = and that whoever it was is OK. Ride Safe. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 21:39:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10357 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11366 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15074 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.38]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 275; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:38:58 -0400 Message-ID: <35F1E882.665FFD96@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:42:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik von Darkmoor CC: ghowell@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawi green - beautiful? (NOT!) ;-) References: <000001bdd885$15cabca0$650000c0@demon> <19980905.015100.5271.0.jeep.guy@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erik von Darkmoor wrote: > > Kawi green is NOT beautiful. It is .. the color of newborn baby poop > (any other parents want to back me on this?). If you are talking the Kawasaki Racing green, uhh, yep, I've (sadly) changed diapers remarkably close to that color. :( Now, the Luminous Windsor Green on the Concours, that's a color that my children's gastrointestinal pallettes have yet to produce. Not that it would make diaper changing any more fun ("Look honey, this is the same color as my bike... - NOT!") Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 22:15:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11805 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11726 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15468 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-35-49.s49.tnt9.brd.erols.com [207.172.35.49]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11971 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809060215.WAA11971@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: Insurance Rates Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:18:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > > Just to let you know, I am paying a whopping $280.00 per year for full > coverage on my 98 GSXR 750!! State Farm issued me a great policy (low > deductibles, high liability limits), and the only catch was I also had to > insure my car. They matched my previous automobile carrier rates, and thus > I am saving about $500.00 per year. Of course, it helps to have a perfect > driving record and no accidents in the past five years. I would definitely > recommend State Farm if you want to insure a high performance sport bike > and you have a good driving history. Roy D. Turner, Esq. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 22:48:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13094 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12003 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15892 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (known swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10055 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 38.30.108.88 (ip88a.richmond6.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.108.88]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25964 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35F373D1.63C3@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:49:25 -0700 From: Rockin Rod Reply-To: maverickmc@XXXXXX Organization: MaverickMC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Upcoming Event Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DC, We have an upcoming event on October 3rd, 1998 that you should try to make. All bikes and all Clubs are welcome. Poker Run, 50/50 drawing, Field Events, BBQ and Live Music. It's not too far away in Mechanicsville, VA near Richmond. Please stop by our site, sign our guest book and come see us soon. Please send you mailing address and we will send some fliers. Keep it Straight Up, Rockin Rod Mavericks M/C http://home.earthlink.net/~maverickmc/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 5 23:37:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15215 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12432 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (known enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16947 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:37:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A5911013042C@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: VFR vs. XX Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:37:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > A couple more things to add which you may find interesting > when adding up > the numbers: > > 900SS: > 75 hp; 55 ft lbs of torque; 11.6 sec. 1/4 mile at 116 mph; 139 mph top > speed; $11k Mine is at 73hp and 63lbft at the wheel. Dyno. And its the old one, without the new fuel injection. The FI gives about 80hp. at the wheel. > > VFR800FI: > 99 hp; 60 ft lbs of torque; 11.2 sec 1/4 mile at 120.22 mph; > 147 mph top > speed; $9k I belive that is at the crank. The VFR800FI is not quite as nice compared to the 900ss's suspension. I have ridden the vfr800, and while I admit, its a VERY nice bike, there is still that "lacking" that I feel. The bike has no character. Its extreamly neutral, and thats about it. The torque of the 900ss comes with a better delivery IMO. much more low end punch, with a lacking top end. But then again, on the street, when do you ever really use that top end? On my lowely 900ss/cr I would ride with people on 916sps's, bimota's and yamaha r1's. Though I dont think that would be the case on the track at all. Playing around with the heads, and the FI can get back alot of that missing upper end, but again, 99% of the time, it just isnt needed. I like the low end torque personally. About the prices, 11k for a FI ducati 900ss. Unfortunately no dealing. a 97 or 98 Ducati 900ss/cr can be had for around 7100-7500 dollars. a 900ss/sp can be had for about 9k Brand new. The vfr800FI is very nice, but I would rather spend the money and get something that you can feel. Twist the throttle open, and you FEEL the bike putting out pure power to the pavement. > According to the latest Cycle World the SS is "a bargain only > compared to > the 916." At least you can feel like you got a bargain on one of your > bikes. Cycle world is the worst bike mag in the world. I think most people will agree on that. Read Superbike, or Motorcycle or even performance bikes.. all brit mags. MUCH better writing, with real road tests, and they actually dont like some products that advertize in their magazine. Their reviews come out much differently when comparing these same bikes. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 6 01:20:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA19406 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA14328 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18180 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 06 Sep 1998 01:16:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Erik von Darkmoor" Cc: Subject: RE: Kawi green - beautiful? (NOT!) ;-) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:15:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdd955$6b60de80$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19980905.015100.5271.0.jeep.guy@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 They picked it to thumb their nose at everybody else. Green was 'bad luck' for a bike racing team. That's why I like Kawi's. Just a little bit ruder than Honda. BTW, no offense on the color issue. Now, if you want to see a bad color, just look at that weird-assed red on the TLS. The green is MUCH better on it. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 6 01:50:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA20714 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA14555 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18444 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 06 Sep 1998 01:46:47 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Roy D. Turner" , Subject: RE: Insurance Rates Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:46:23 -0400 Message-ID: <004701bdd959$ae81c9a0$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199809060215.WAA11971@smtp3.erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I'll second the nod to State Farm, with one exception: they don't categorize bikes. Their rates are based on manufacturer and displacement only. IOW, they charge me the same rate for my Wing as they would any other 17 year old 1100cc Honda. So if you have a Wing or some other touring bike, make sure you shop around. BTW, where do you live, and how old are you? That's a pretty damned good rate. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 6 08:55:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08600 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18727 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23006 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-247.s247.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.247]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26770; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F2863A.79A5427B@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 08:55:23 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "Roy D. Turner" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Rates References: <004701bdd959$ae81c9a0$650000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Surprisingly, I've found with state farm that Age and Location don't make a whole lot of difference. My rate was about the same as Roy's (granted mine was a 93 model) both in Oregon and here in Virginia. It also only changed a few bucks when I passed the 25 mark. Rates didn't change when I had one claim and one ticket added on either!!!! (but I'm not going to start asking them why either!) Collin George Howell wrote: > BTW, where do you live, and how old are you? That's a pretty damned good > rate. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 6 13:29:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19706 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24986 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brap-3.cais.net (known brap-3.cais.net [205.252.14.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25622 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (dynamic247.cais.com [207.226.56.247]) by brap-3.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA14512 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000001bdd9d4$8354aa60$f738e2cf@default> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Insurance Rates Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:02:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 WOW,!!! thats a great deal. I have a similar policy (Car/Motorcycle) through Farmers Insurance in Manassas. And I pay $ 380 for my bike (98 ZX 900R ). Full coverage, and Not the best driving record, a couple tickets for speeding etc. My auto insurance went down with them also by $100. Progressive wanted $4500 just for the bike =8~O Mike B. 98 ZX 900R -----Original Message----- From: Roy D. Turner To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 7:24 PM Subject: Insurance Rates > > >---------- >> >> Just to let you know, I am paying a whopping $280.00 per year for full >> coverage on my 98 GSXR 750!! State Farm issued me a great policy (low >> deductibles, high liability limits), and the only catch was I also had to >> insure my car. They matched my previous automobile carrier rates, and >thus >> I am saving about $500.00 per year. Of course, it helps to have a >perfect >> driving record and no accidents in the past five years. I would >definitely >> recommend State Farm if you want to insure a high performance sport bike >> and you have a good driving history. Roy D. Turner, Esq. >> > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 6 13:29:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19709 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24989 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brap-3.cais.net (known brap-3.cais.net [205.252.14.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25626 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (dynamic247.cais.com [207.226.56.247]) by brap-3.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA14515 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000101bdd9d4$844747c0$f738e2cf@default> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Kawi green - beautiful? (NOT!) ;-) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:22:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 WHATEVER! =8~P.... unless Your ZX is 11 The only Kawasaki color you have to worry about seeing, is Tail light red, ;-) (freindly jibe) I can't let my baby get talked about this way you know. I also think the color makes it more visible to BDC's (i hope) Mike B. 98 ZX 900R (Awesome Green) -----Original Message----- From: Erik von Darkmoor To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: tgimer@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Kawi green - beautiful? (NOT!) ;-) >Kawi green is NOT beautiful. It is DISTINCTIVE, maybe, but not beautiful. >It's the color of bug innards. It's the color of newborn baby poop (any >other parents want to back me on this?). When I was a kid, I sweated and >toiled for hours on end behind a Lawn Boy push mower that was exactly >that color. Team Kawasaki picked that color because all the good ones >were already taken. (Incidentally, that is also how VDOT ended up in >safety orange trucks...) > >Just kidding you about your color preference. You know you can't throw a >comment like that out and not have somebody respond this way... (However, >neither of my Kawasakis (Vulcan Classic and a ZX) is Team Green. > >:) > > >-On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:24:34 -0400 "George Howell" >-writes: Kawi green is the most beautiful color there is. Much better >than >-Honda red, or BMW battleship grey (somebody must have spiked the >schnitzel -for >them to come up with the taxicab K12) >- >-Kawi green/blue on the K11.... That could be an idea... >- >----------------------------------------- >--George Howell >-ghowell@XXXXXX >-georgehowell@XXXXXX >- >- > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 6 16:01:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26063 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26410 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28713 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA01592; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:01:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "Jon S." cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cycles USA courtesies & other shops In-Reply-To: <00d201bdd7a0$763d25e0$214737a6@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I got my bike from C. USA.. Got all my accessories from them, leather and stuff. But when ever I have service, even the 600 mi checkup, they seem to be VERY SLOW. I ran a service center for three years. And when I have customers make appointments I was sure it was because I was scheduling the work load and employee coverage. I have never made an apointment for service and then had to leave it there for days. (ok weeks, but I am trying to be polite.) My friend had his bike there to have the fule switch replaced on his Ninja. ( I recommended them... cause I think they are actualy nice and fair in their prices.) IT took them several weeks, after his "apointment", to get the bike back to him. I didn't feel so hot after sending him there. I don't think I will recommend any more friends to their service shop. Now their sales staff etc... ya I would send my friends there. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Jon S. wrote: > Thomas wrote: > >My only complaint with Cycles USA has been with the service department, who > >told me I had to make an appointment to have a tire (to be purchased from > >them) mounted and the earliest opportunity for that was 3 days later. > >Granted they must have been pretty busy, but hey, it's just a tire mount > (.5 > >hour). > > > Yeah, I grew up 5 min. from Cycles USA and their service dept. has been > slow(understatement) for as long as I can remember. > CAD has been very good to me and they always give me a good price. > True, they don't have a big inventory, but I always make sure to give them a > call when I'm looking for something specific. > I personally like Ellicott City Motorsports. Everyone I've delt with > there has been more than willing to help me with whatever I wanted and will > match/beat anyone's price. It's a small shop, but very friendly. They also > seem to carry a lot of parts for Yamaha's, which is a plus for me, that and > they're 10 min. from my house. > > Jon > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 6 20:19:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06664 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28807 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brap-2.cais.net (known brap-2.cais.net [205.252.14.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04075 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (dynamic77.cais.com [207.226.56.77]) by brap-2.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16550 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701bdda0d$bcd5cc40$4d38e2cf@default> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Opinions/Suggestions? Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:15:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Yeah !, Verrry cool, I like the highlighting effect as you go over the links on the cover page. Mike B. 98 ZX 9000R -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 9:48 AM Subject: Opinions/Suggestions? >Well folks, over the last couple of days Brian M. and I have been >putting together a little web page for the racing effort, and things are >coming along nicely. > >We'd appreciate if ya'll would take a peak at it for general content and >professionalism... >A few problems that I already know about are: >1) text on intro image is a little hard to read--->will fix in time..lot >of work into that >2) links for Jay and Joe's profile not working-->will work as soon as >they fill in the info > > >A couple of the pages are a bit sparce still, but overall effect/layout >is what I'm concerned with...we're adding content as we come along. > >Thanks for helping out... >DC-Cycles Racing >Collin, Brian, Joe, and Jay > >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/racing.html > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 6 20:19:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06661 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28803 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04071 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WDVUa12640 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:18:26 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <204013e8.35f32652@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:18:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cycles USA courtesies & other shops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 My experiences there have been similar. Great guy in sales department (Eddie) helped a lot when I was trying to purchase a used bike. He even checked a couple of blue book prices for me on bikes in the paper. It paid off for him because I used them to buy accessories and get service work done. Service department. I don't know if I'll take a bike back there. I had mine in for minor tune up work (oil, brake fluid, lube, carbs) and they had the bike for a month. To make things worse they assigned some junior mechanic to it who diagnosed the problem as needing a new clutch. After the special ordered the parts they called back to say that it wasn't the clutch but the carbs. Even better they said it would definitely be done on a given date so I arranged a ride to work and then it wasn't finished so I had to call my roomate to come pick me up. When it was finally finished they had the bill inflated by ~ $300. They still had all the clutch materials on the bill. Well, I finally got it all straightened out so at least I'm back on the road. Their service dept. needs to get their act together, big time. In a message dated 9/3/98 6:29:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Re: Cycles USA courtesies & other shops > Date: 9/3/98 6:29:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX (Jon S.) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) > > Thomas wrote: > >My only complaint with Cycles USA has been with the service department, who > >told me I had to make an appointment to have a tire (to be purchased from > >them) mounted and the earliest opportunity for that was 3 days later. > >Granted they must have been pretty busy, but hey, it's just a tire mount > (.5 > >hour). > > > Yeah, I grew up 5 min. from Cycles USA and their service dept. has been > slow(understatement) for as long as I can remember. > CAD has been very good to me and they always give me a good price. > True, they don't have a big inventory, but I always make sure to give them a > call when I'm looking for something specific. > I personally like Ellicott City Motorsports. Everyone I've delt with > there has been more than willing to help me with whatever I wanted and will > match/beat anyone's price. It's a small shop, but very friendly. They also > seem to carry a lot of parts for Yamaha's, which is a plus for me, that and > they're 10 min. from my house. > > Jon From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 6 20:22:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06750 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28833 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04203 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WBFZa27970 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:21:41 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <87f2a374.35f32715@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:21:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 No problems here. It is a free world and I appreciate you asking. Actually it may be good to get an idea whats going on in the area. One request. If you post any information about shops, parts, makes, models, etc. please identify yourself as being in the business. One thing that is nice on this group is that there seems to be a lot of people helping each other and I wouldn't want that to get screwed up by someone trying to line pockets. In a message dated 9/3/98 1:22:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: RE: > Date: 9/3/98 1:22:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: cfagan@XXXXXX (Fagan, Collin LTJG) > To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX ('Bikes R Us'), dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Fine by me so long as you're presence is more on the personal level rather > than corporate level... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bikes R Us [SMTP:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 1:03 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: > > > > Anyone object to a Virginia motorcycle dealer listening (and occasionally > > chiming) in on your discussions? > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 09:03:02 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08436 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:03:00 -0400 (EDT) From: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-112-13.s13.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11980 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980907090200.006aa03c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 09:02:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HELP!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Happy Labor Day all... I got a call from Brian M. last night, and his voltage regulator died on the way home from NYC last night. I would drop everything and go get him, but I am on duty, and currently have two active salvage cases that I'm working on and won't be done till mid to late afternoon... Is there anyone out there that can head north to help him out?? I can loan my truck (so long as I have some form of transportation).... Please give me a call at the house: (703) 356-4279.... Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 09:36:32 1998 Return-Path: dagoe@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09781 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dagoe (207-172-36-98.s98.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.98]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05042 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19980907093808.007a9590@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: dagoe@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 09:38:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Running Cloud Subject: Used Parts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have the phone number/location for the used parts operation in Baltimore or any other operations in the DC area? Thanks in advance. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 10:00:02 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10889 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.56]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 327 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:59:11 -0400 Message-ID: <35F3E77F.721F59AE@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:02:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Ursulina: There might be hope for your battery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to send this to the list, but I don't have Ursulina's email address here at home, and I know she was going into the office today... Ursulina, Your Virago battery was dead as a doornail last night when I put it on the charger. Left it charge all night, and it's showing about 40-50% strength. :) I think that's a good sign, although I would think that 16+ hours on a charger would bring it back more than halfway. ?!? Anyone else care to comment? (There, I guess I needed to send this to the list anyway! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 12:33:59 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17246 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lcjtc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.172]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14445; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980907123251.0068b0c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:32:51 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Ursulina: There might be hope for your battery In-Reply-To: <35F3E77F.721F59AE@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Replace the battery.... -Tom BTW... those things are notorious for having weak charging systems... makes sure the alternator is doing it's job. At 10:02 AM 9/7/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Sorry to send this to the list, but I don't have >Ursulina's email address here at home, and I know >she was going into the office today... > >Ursulina, > >Your Virago battery was dead as a doornail last night >when I put it on the charger. Left it charge all night, >and it's showing about 40-50% strength. :) > >I think that's a good sign, although I would think that >16+ hours on a charger would bring it back more than halfway. ?!? >Anyone else care to comment? (There, I guess I needed to send >this to the list anyway! :) > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 12:39:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17527 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13543 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17848 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:36:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: "Roy D. Turner" , Subject: RE: Insurance Rates Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:35:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdda7d$93fadb60$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35F2863A.79A5427B@geocities.com> Couldn't tell you about location, but for some reason, my rates dropped about 30% when passing the magical 25. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Surprisingly, I've found with state farm that Age and Location don't > make a whole lot of difference. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 13:02:47 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18458 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr9-dialup26.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EYX00M8RBBFYF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:02:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:58:57 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Used Parts To: Running Cloud , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000c01bdda99$f3eba4c0$1a4537a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Baltimore Cycle Salvage 410-962-1335 it's right near Camden Yards. I've used them many times and are willing to negotiate prices. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Running Cloud To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 6:48 AM Subject: Used Parts >Does anyone have the phone number/location for the used parts operation in >Baltimore or any other operations in the DC area? Thanks in advance. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 13:52:55 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20583 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:52:54 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 3WEKa02821 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <242bf3a1.35f41d47@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:52:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Cracks in my tires! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 My tires, which are otherwise in great condition (good treads.....) have tiny little cut marks in them. It's possible that it's from riding over all the broken glass in the alley behind my house - there's often literally so much of it it's impossible to avoid..... is this a problem? could the cuts be from something else? each one is about the size of a parentheses mark ( ............. and about as deep as if a woman had sunk her long fingernails into it...............do I need new tires? if it's not one thing it's another........... :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 14:02:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21030 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14684 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10422 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-117-209.s209.tnt12.brd.erols.com [207.172.117.209]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27358 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809071802.OAA27358@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: GSXR Mail List? Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:05:16 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know if there is a GSXR mail list? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 15:09:23 1998 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23778; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809071909.PAA23778@meretrix.com> To: "Roy D. Turner" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GSXR Mail List? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Sep 1998 14:05:16 EDT." <199809071802.OAA27358@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:09:21 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Anyone know if there is a GSXR mail list? Roy D. Turner, Esq. Carl Paukstis maintains a list of motorcycling mailing lists here: http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ Looks like there's a "GSXR" list and a "SUZUKI-L" list. -harry From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 18:23:54 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02733 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.124]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 342; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:23:09 -0400 Message-ID: <35F45D9F.87D5A1FF@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 18:26:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Leon Begemen Subject: Leon can't do the circles this weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got an email from Leon. He was sent out to Nebraska for work, and his little John Deere/Ninja died again after getting him out there. He thinks it's valve problems again. So, long story short, he won't be hosting the Small Circles event as planned this Weekend. I'm not sure about the rain date the following weekend, forgot to ask. Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 18:26:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02754 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18511 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f69.hotmail.com [207.82.250.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18095 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6675 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 1998 22:26:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19980907222617.6674.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.147.90 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:26:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.172.147.90] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride For Kids Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:26:16 PDT Any body interested in going on the Ride for Kids this Sunday?. It's alot of fun and its for a great cause , The Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation. If any one wants to go lets figure out a meeting place. Dan Kenney RED 1997 TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 18:27:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02828 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18517 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18114 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:27:27 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 6COEa24183; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6c8a3e05.35f45d70@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:25:52 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: ELLEN SAUERBREY to meet motorcyclists 4pm 19 Sep Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_905207152_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905207152_boundary Content-ID: <0_905207152@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_905207152_boundary Content-ID: <0_905207152@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Return-path: Subject: ELLEN SAUERBREY to meet motorcyclists 4pm 19 Sep Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:19:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ellen Sauerbrey will be at the AA County FairGrounds Sept 19 to kick off a parade through the area. She would like to have a motorcycle contingent for her parade. From Rats to Dressers; Harleys, Hondas, Kawsasakais, and what ever else, Ellen would like to have them included. The first 100 people that show up get a free REPEAL THE HELMET LAW t-shirt. Spread the word (Please forward this e.mail to others) Check the AA County bike shops for fliers (They are being printed now) If you have any questions - please call me. Bill Gawthrop, 1504 Chapman Rd, Crofton, MD 410-451-2610. --part0_905207152_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 19:09:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04740 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18914 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19601 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id TAA27176; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:11:41 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027152; Mon, 7 Sep 98 19:11:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EYX003PYSBTZJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256678.007F10DD ; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:07:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:08:28 -0400 Subject: RE: VFR vs XX -Reply To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256678.007F198B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have a red '94 RF900 with 25k+ miles, helibars, givi, corbin, etc. If you have any questions in your decision process, feel free to contact me off list. And YES they are going for a steal (if you can find them) now. I think Cycle Sport (herndon) had one they were selling significantly below list ... --chris To: 'JOE NAGY' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thetrick@XXXXXX cc: From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Date: 09/04/98 02:13:52 PM GMT Subject: RE: VFR vs XX -Reply I have to agree with Joe on this one.... You can find brand new RF900's on dealer floors for under $7k. They're an awesome bike, they were just a little pricey in the wrong nitch of the market when they were actively produced...kinda the same way as the old FJ1200's. > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 9:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; thetrick@XXXXXX > Subject: VFR vs XX -Reply > I really > like the Suzi RF 900 too--a great bike totally ignored by the market. > Joe > '85 Ninja 900 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 22:45:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13679 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21337 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23732 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA13074; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:44:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:44:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809080244.VAA13074@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Received: from tam-fl16-05.ix.netcom.com(206.214.117.165) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013008; Mon Sep 7 21:43:56 1998 From: viper655@XXXXXX (Dr.Robert A. Harms) Subject: Re: Fwd: ELLEN SAUERBREY to meet motorcyclists 4pm 19 Sep To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OK, I give up...who is Ellen Sauerbrey and why should I care ? You wrote: > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >--part0_905207152_boundary >Content-ID: <0_905207152@XXXXXX> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > >--part0_905207152_boundary >Content-ID: <0_905207152@XXXXXX> >Content-type: message/rfc822 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >Content-disposition: inline > >From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX >Return-path: >Subject: ELLEN SAUERBREY to meet motorcyclists 4pm 19 Sep >Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:19:20 EDT >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >Ellen Sauerbrey will be at the AA County FairGrounds Sept 19 to kick off a >parade through the area. > >She would like to have a motorcycle contingent for her parade. From Rats to >Dressers; Harleys, Hondas, Kawsasakais, and what ever else, Ellen would like >to have them included. > >The first 100 people that show up get a free REPEAL THE HELMET LAW t-shirt. > >Spread the word (Please forward this e.mail to others) >Check the AA County bike shops for fliers (They are being printed now) > >If you have any questions - please call me. Bill Gawthrop, 1504 Chapman Rd, >Crofton, MD 410-451-2610. > >--part0_905207152_boundary-- > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 23:08:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14519 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21612 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24416 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 23:04:59 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dr.Robert A. Harms" , Cc: Subject: RE: Fwd: ELLEN SAUERBREY to meet motorcyclists 4pm 19 Sep Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:04:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01bddad5$6a6f2500$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199809080244.VAA13074@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Maryland's eventual Republican candidate for governor. Why care? If you're in Md, chances are she might be able to spend a billion dollars on something other than stadiums for billionaires. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 7 23:29:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15625 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21926 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24733 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WQBDa20020 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:29:18 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <89dd35fb.35f4a48e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:29:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Close call in a tight turn Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, I had a very very close call yesterday (Sunday) on the CAMS ride!! I was third in the group as we entered unmarked/poorly marked (I didn't see any sign) downhill, righthand, blind, tight turn. I entered too fast, but still coulda made the turn fine. My problem was that I saw gravel on the inside of the turn and attempted to stear away. In doing so, I over steared and wound up crossing the double-yellow in front of a Jeep Grand Cherokee. By the time I could say "Aw S**T!!" instinct had taken over and I pushed back into the turn and skooted by the Jeep about an inch of their mirror and back into my own lane. Whew!! I think I'm gonna keep more to the back of the groups and start slowing down for those downhill, blind, righthand turns. That was a bit too close for comfort!! BTW, Anita what happened to you? I noticed you dropped out without saying goodbye. Robert "by the skin of my teeth" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 00:22:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17797 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23242 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25504 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WUQJa20006 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:13:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Evel Knievel -Oct. 1998 Car & Driver Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Interesting article on Evel Knievel in the latest Car & Driver...one with a sooped up Dogde Durango on the cover. Might want to check it out. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 00:40:41 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA18290 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA21777; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:37:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:29:08 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Cracks in my tires! To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <242bf3a1.35f41d47@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > My tires, which are otherwise in great condition (good treads.....) have tiny > little cut marks in them. It's possible that it's from riding over all the How old are the tires and are the cracks in the tread or sidewall?When tires get old the rubber starts to break down.If the cracks are on the sidewalls,and your tires are a few years old,then they're getting old and it would prolly be a good idea to replace them.If the cracks are in the tread and not deep,it's prolly just from the glass.Just be careful.(I doubt you could have ozone cracking in your tread.The last bike I saw with tires that old was a '79 CBX back in '93 that had the original tires.That was also the only bike I've ever seen go down in front of me,and the tires were one of the causes.) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 01:46:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21235 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25967 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26677 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-24.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.24]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id BAA23440; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809080524.BAA23440@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 01:20:52 -0400 To: viper655@XXXXXX (Dr.Robert A. Harms), CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Fwd: ELLEN SAUERBREY to meet motorcyclists 4pm 19 Sep Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199809080244.VAA13074@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Candidate for Maryland Governor. MET At 10:44 PM 9/7/98 , Dr.Robert A. Harms wrote: >OK, I give up...who is Ellen Sauerbrey and why should I care ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 02:24:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23087 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27360 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27321 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04913; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:03:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Close call in a tight turn In-Reply-To: <89dd35fb.35f4a48e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hehe... I guess you wont say any thing about how "slow" I take those types of turns any more. hehehe. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, I had a very very close call yesterday (Sunday) on the CAMS ride!! I was > third in the group as we entered unmarked/poorly marked (I didn't see any > sign) downhill, righthand, blind, tight turn. I entered too fast, but still > coulda made the turn fine. My problem was that I saw gravel on the inside of > the turn and attempted to stear away. In doing so, I over steared and wound up > crossing the double-yellow in front of a Jeep Grand Cherokee. By the time I > could say "Aw S**T!!" instinct had taken over and I pushed back into the turn > and skooted by the Jeep about an inch of their mirror and back into my own > lane. Whew!! I think I'm gonna keep more to the back of the groups and start > slowing down for those downhill, blind, righthand turns. That was a bit too > close for comfort!! > > BTW, Anita what happened to you? I noticed you dropped out without saying > goodbye. > > Robert "by the skin of my teeth" VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 06:46:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04448 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09739 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (known helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00879 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (DHCP128231230165.cit.nih.gov [128.231.230.165]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16057 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F50495.2F6BA6BC@radix.net> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 06:19:02 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Rates References: <199809060215.WAA11971@smtp3.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have Allstate, just got them in Feb. Paying $280 for my '90 ZX11, 100/50/100 coverage, $100 deductible on everything. It would be cheaper if My MSF class was within the last 3 years. I also have my homeowners & cars with them, but that (of course) does not affect my M/C policy. Again, $500 +/- what I was paying at progressive, who were completely unapologetic about their rates. I also have a clean record, no accidents, live in So. Md. Interestingly enough, When I spoke to State Farm in Febrary, one agent told me flat out - 'We're not highly motivated to write motorcycle insurance due to the low profit margin'. He was close, only about $75 more than the Allstate quote. Dave '90 ZX 11 (Actually, it's a 1200 now but what Allstate doesn't know won't hurt me) Roy D. Turner wrote: > ---------- > > > > Just to let you know, I am paying a whopping $280.00 per year for full > > coverage on my 98 GSXR 750!! State Farm issued me a great policy (low > > deductibles, high liability limits), and the only catch was I also had to > > insure my car. They matched my previous automobile carrier rates, and > thus > > I am saving about $500.00 per year. Of course, it helps to have a > perfect > > driving record and no accidents in the past five years. I would > definitely > > recommend State Farm if you want to insure a high performance sport bike > > and you have a good driving history. Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 08:19:50 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08107 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809081219.IAA08107@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0E14970268; Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:19:45 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 07:54:33 -0400 To: Harry Mantakos , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) In-Reply-To: <199809050050.UAA05988@meretrix.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:50 PM 9/4/98 -0400, Harry Mantakos wrote: >dc-cycles has 170 subscribers. > >BTW, we should get used to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'. Our generous >hosts at the University of Maryland recently politely hinted "hey, you >haven't worked here for two and a half years now, move your mailing >list off our machines already!" (actually, they were much more polite >than that). I changed my address book. And, Harry, many thanks for maintaining the list - I love it! Chris Norloff P.S. Would the new admin address be ADMIN ADDRESS: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX ? From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 08:23:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08443 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18873 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02616 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc1-s10.wizard.net (tc1-s10.wizard.net [206.161.15.40]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21199; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:11:57 -0400 From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Close call in a tight turn Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:16:10 -0400 Message-ID: <361f1eb4.637995270@smtp.wizard.net> References: <89dd35fb.35f4a48e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <89dd35fb.35f4a48e@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:29:18 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >BTW, Anita what happened to you? I noticed you dropped out without = saying >goodbye.=20 Sorry about that... while we were eating breakfast I totally forgot that I needed gas... and before we hit Snickersville Turnpike I was on reserve. The only place I knew for sure I could get gas was in Middleburg, so I headed over there. I considered trying to catch up with the group, but I was feeling a bit "off" [raging headache as well], so I just headed for home. I think I was still tired from the ride on Saturday.... better safe than sorry and all that. Anyhow, glad you made it through your close call okay! Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 09:23:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11034 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27913 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04119 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22723 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05986; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980908090717.008a5820@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:07:17 -0400 To: harris@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Team Charm just procured (well Steve bought it anyway...:-) a brand new TL1000R about five days ago. Come out to Summit Point Raceway 9/12-9/13 to witness its shakedown run at the WERA event. If you haven't been to a Team Charm event in a while, this will be one the be at. Also, mark your calenders for early March of 1999 as Team Charm is going to attempt to qualify for the Daytona 200. If anyone wants to volunteer to pit crew for this event please respond. This race is carries lived on TNN so for those who cannot attend the track can watch on TV. As always, the idiocy can be viewed at http://www.his.com/harris/teamchm.htm Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 09:30:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11111 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28630 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04226 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22760 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09282; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980908091231.008a2330@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:12:31 -0400 To: harris@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm news, part II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I forgot to list http://www.erols.com/sturges/news/news.html as the new address of our latest results. Of course it is still linked from the Team Charm Homepage, but perhaps you will want to update your bookmarks. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 09:59:44 1998 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12548 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:59:43 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id BFUWa02821; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:58:16 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, Boiade@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, skight@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Glenn, congradulations on your new aquisition! I can't wait to blast with you on that beauty. I regards to the latest generation of Honda's link braking system, I have never stopped that quick, on any bike. Predictable and ferocious stopping power. Tom T. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 10:52:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14883 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18478 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall-r.insuremarket.com (known mailhost.ifscorp.com [205.130.198.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09114 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by firewall-r.insuremarket.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id KAA20881; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:47:42 -0400 Received: from oman.insuremarket.com(172.23.2.69) by firewall-r.insuremarket.com via smap (3.1) id xma020869; Tue, 8 Sep 98 10:47:33 -0400 Received: from ifscorp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oman.insuremarket.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA01418; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:44:44 -0400 Sender: tad@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35F542DB.18BF1892@ifscorp.com> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:44:43 -0400 From: Thomas De Boeser Organization: Interactive Insurance Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en,java MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR vs XX References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 98-09-04 07:14:39 EDT, tad@XXXXXX writes: > > << You may also consider a R1, but it doesn't > have the honda reputation :^), and it's not a VFR. > >> > > Whew, that's a stretch, can't imagine two sporting motorcycles more different > than the VFR and R-1. > I'm commenting on what I've read and heard. Supposedly the R1 is a great fast bike, and not a bad overall bike. The R-1 and XX would be a good comparison though (maybe...). > > > > Ciao, > > Fred > 86-VFR-750 > 98-ZX-9R > 75 Norton Commando > > -- Thomas De Boeser Interactive Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ ~~~~~~~~ "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 11:22:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16286 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19428 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10913 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 327; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:12:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35F5497E.57206A0B@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:13:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List CC: Leon Begeman Subject: Now it's officially Autumn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep. It's ofishul! I got enough of a chill on the ride in to work this morning, I had to fish around in the bottom of my filing cabinet at work and pull out my sweater, neatly folded and stowed away about 6 months ago. With the sweater and a nice cup of hot chocolate, ahhh, now I'm nice and warm again. :) Good thing Leon's not here, he'd probably have gotten frostbite this morning without electrics. :) Note, I'm not complaining in the least. Like Jeanette, I *LOVE* this kind of weather to ride in. Heck, I followed Tracy in to work today, and even SHE had a jacket on! :) The Concours is really gonna come into it's element in the next few months. All that blistering heat it radiates will come in handy on the cool morning rides. Heh, heh. Widder who? Loving life. Tailwinds, curves, and smooth pavement to you all. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 11:25:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16409 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19579 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11062 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA17288; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:15:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980908151506.EMVN618@localHost>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:15:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Mike B." CC: Subject: Re: Insurance Rates X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980908151506.EMVN618@localHost> Mike B wrote: >Full coverage, and Not >the best driving record, a couple tickets for speeding etc. My auto >insurance went down with them also by $100. Progressive wanted $4500 just >for the bike =8~O I've said it before and am saying it again. Progressive is the GEICO of motorcycling. If you have GEICO and like them, I don't care....I hate them! T From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 11:35:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17141 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19753 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11400 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p24dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.56]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA15088; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:25:13 -0400 Message-ID: <008801bddb3c$e4bc2c60$38f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Scot Kight" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:25:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 That's exactly why I quoted Cycle World. They rarely say ANYTHING derogatory about ANY bike. I'm still waiting on your response regarding $ervice for your Ducati$. -----Original Message----- From: Scot Kight To: 'Thomas H. Gimer' ; DC Cycles Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 11:42 PM Subject: RE: VFR vs. XX >> According to the latest Cycle World the SS is "a bargain only >> compared to >> the 916." At least you can feel like you got a bargain on one of your >> bikes. > >Cycle world is the worst bike mag in the world. I think most people will >agree on that. Read Superbike, or Motorcycle or even performance bikes.. >all brit mags. MUCH better writing, with real road tests, and they actually >dont like some products that advertize in their magazine. Their reviews >come out much differently when comparing these same bikes. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 11:41:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17435 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19979 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11760 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA05654 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:35:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Now it's officially Autumn In-Reply-To: <35F5497E.57206A0B@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Note, I'm not complaining in the least. Like Jeanette, > I *LOVE* this kind of weather to ride in. This is my kind of weather too. It won't be long before the comments turn from, "isn't it HOT in that suit?" to "that suit doesn't really keep you warm, does it?" There was a guy on the beltway this morning in shorts and a t-shirt. I think he may have misunderstood the weather report as he didn't seem to be all too comfortable... > The Concours is really gonna come into it's element in the > next few months. All that blistering heat it radiates will > come in handy on the cool morning rides. Heh, heh. Widder who? I don't think it quite works out that way but don't give up hope. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 11:59:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18563 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00356 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12827 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA10773; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA25748; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA15078; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:58:55 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA14936; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:58:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199809081558.IAA14936@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:58:32 -0700 From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Close call in a tight turn Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:49:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Well, you can take a turn TOO slow and be in trouble too. On Sunday I took the 5 mph turn on Snickerville Road too slow for the gear I was in (should have just downshifted) and WHAM! Down went me and my Kawi into the gravel. Thank goodness for my leather gloves! But my poor knees - OUCH! Gotta get some knee pads or something. And one more thing, trying to stop in gravel is VERY tricky. Found out just how tricky and of course, in front of a whole bunch of folks. :-P Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Artes [SMTP:falcor@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 07, 1998 11:03 PM > To: NJitzul@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Close call in a tight turn > > Hehe... I guess you wont say any thing about how "slow" I take those > types of turns any more. hehehe. > > -Frank > > > n > -- > falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE > > On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Well, I had a very very close call yesterday (Sunday) on the CAMS ride!! > I was > > third in the group as we entered unmarked/poorly marked (I didn't see > any > > sign) downhill, righthand, blind, tight turn. I entered too fast, but > still > > coulda made the turn fine. My problem was that I saw gravel on the > inside of > > the turn and attempted to stear away. In doing so, I over steared and > wound up > > crossing the double-yellow in front of a Jeep Grand Cherokee. By the > time I > > could say "Aw S**T!!" instinct had taken over and I pushed back into the > turn > > and skooted by the Jeep about an inch of their mirror and back into my > own > > lane. Whew!! I think I'm gonna keep more to the back of the groups and > start > > slowing down for those downhill, blind, righthand turns. That was a bit > too > > close for comfort!! > > > > BTW, Anita what happened to you? I noticed you dropped out without > saying > > goodbye. > > > > Robert "by the skin of my teeth" VanSlyke > > 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 12:08:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18782 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01010 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12454 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zGQ0n-0004Xt-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:48:57 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:47:57 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D9D9361@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Now it's officially Autumn Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:46:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree, it was amazing riding in to work today! Plus, the chill wakes me up from the weekend which I hate to leave! I think my bike prefers the colder air, as well. She rode like a stallion this morning. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 11:13 AM > To: DC Cycles List > Cc: Leon Begeman > Subject: Now it's officially Autumn > > Yep. It's ofishul! > > I got enough of a chill on the ride in to work this > morning, I had to fish around in the bottom of my > filing cabinet at work and pull out my sweater, neatly > folded and stowed away about 6 months ago. With the > sweater and a nice cup of hot chocolate, ahhh, now I'm > nice and warm again. :) > > Good thing Leon's not here, he'd probably have gotten > frostbite this morning without electrics. :) > > Note, I'm not complaining in the least. Like Jeanette, > I *LOVE* this kind of weather to ride in. Heck, I followed > Tracy in to work today, and even SHE had a jacket on! :) > > The Concours is really gonna come into it's element in the > next few months. All that blistering heat it radiates will > come in handy on the cool morning rides. Heh, heh. Widder who? > > Loving life. Tailwinds, curves, and smooth pavement to you all. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 13:44:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23980 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06882 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18870 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA08292 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:44:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Close call in a tight turn In-Reply-To: <199809081558.IAA14936@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > And one more thing, trying to stop in gravel is VERY tricky. Found out just > how tricky and of course, in front of a whole bunch of folks. :-P It is my opinion that anything that feels tricky ought to be repeated until it doesn't. I really think every motorcycle rider would benefit from off-road experience. Even though it's been a long time since I've ridden off-road I'm certain the initial "traning" I had in the dirt served to make me a better street rider (I even lived on a gravel road...). Whenever I manage to get the cash together I'll be adding a dirt or dual purpose bike. Of all the bikes I've seen on dc-cycles related outings the only one I've really been jealous of is Randy Dow's dp bike (and I don't even remember what it was...). I wouldn't even mind having an XR100... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 13:50:15 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24146 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:50:12 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA11343 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809081752.NAA11343@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: VFR vs XX (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > << You may also consider a R1, but it doesn't > > have the honda reputation :^), and it's not a VFR. > > >> > > > > Whew, that's a stretch, can't imagine two sporting motorcycles more different > > than the VFR and R-1. > > > > I'm commenting on what I've read and heard. Supposedly the R1 is a great fast > bike, and not a bad overall bike. The R-1 and XX would be a good comparison > though (maybe...). > There is quite a few guys having R1 and XX on CBR mailing list. General opinion is that XX is better for long distance rides; R1 is for the track. > -- > Thomas De Boeser _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 13:56:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24478 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07876 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19857 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:56:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 1QXMa02821; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <735658d.35f56f84@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:55:16 EDT To: tad@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 58 In a message dated 98-09-08 10:47:16 EDT, tad@XXXXXX writes: << The R-1 and XX would be a good comparison though (maybe...). >> Not at all. An XX is a 500 plus lb. bike the R-1 is a 400 lb. bike. The XX is a fairly comfortable big bike, the R-1 is a fairly uncomfortable little bike. Power-wise they are about the same though. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 14:00:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24644 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08023 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20162 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA08646 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: VFR vs XX In-Reply-To: <735658d.35f56f84@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Not at all. An XX is a 500 plus lb. bike the R-1 is a 400 lb. bike. What does the R-1 actually weigh? Has anyone published real tank empty and tank full weights? Curiosity and all that... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 14:09:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25064 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08831 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20520 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id LAA21047; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id LAA18770; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA16509; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:08:42 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA16496; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:08:39 -0700 Received: by hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDDB19.072A25F0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:08:37 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Leslie - Katana 750'" Subject: RE: Close call in a tight turn Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:01:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 34 TEXT, 68 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Yes, I've heard this same advice a few times and I'm up for trying out the dirt. Might hurt a little less than pavement! I'm hoping when Leslie with the green 750 Katana (a lister) returns from vacation from TN he'll be bring back his 250cc dirt bike and let me give it a try. I'll be sure have knee pads by then! :-) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 10:44 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Close call in a tight turn On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > And one more thing, trying to stop in gravel is VERY tricky. Found out just > how tricky and of course, in front of a whole bunch of folks. :-P It is my opinion that anything that feels tricky ought to be repeated until it doesn't. I really think every motorcycle rider would benefit from off-road experience. 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MP1R1%A$6$CB&3P.@_TJQ'B U8$M!3!,>(#1D'B#=,]=W05)&\#(3/A5@(-'_ M`B >< 1@,!$>\1/ 'B AM?\WX!\P-^ A4#Q1"< E`5'Q800@5D5262&A#>!K MG2\R1@A@6>(B,6IU3W:?6; EX"!!73,@LV]F4;#_"&$1(!X@/%$#40(P7_)8 MT7LEX"0A8EW0$.!?\@(0;*QK5JC9.0@(#8`)(%?9 A@[U*#6Y KH1JPF4BX$4>8&329O(NL2?_ M,1$GPB/!`B!;80=Q'S +@/\?T1Y#:[$!`%+U;9T'.5+2/_$2 V@ F 6W$R! # +9$?8G\KD0) 2[$I M``G1!4!KM"C_:;!JH0.@(^!VD'QQ*V4?D!/B9Q_Q+2,%L61U!T R!'#="'!P M48(M1O\[]04 = "& $(& !'Q%2(,'M,4!$7R!OP60A4"US*+#_ M(-)I$6EA,@1Y0QJP!X!+D_; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09508 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22271 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:29:52 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA11459; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809081832.OAA11459@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: VFR vs XX To: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Kirk Roy" at Sep 8, 98 02:00:24 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > Not at all. An XX is a 500 plus lb. bike the R-1 is a 400 lb. bike. > > What does the R-1 actually weigh? Has anyone published real tank empty and > tank full weights? Curiosity and all that... > > Kirk > R1 dry is 396, XX dry is 497 I belive. We may weight mine XX - it is stock so far, so we will know what is wet weight.... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 14:50:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27050 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10156 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23058 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p184.smart.net [206.97.127.184]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22229; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:49:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00b601bddb59$7940bce0$38f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Leslie - Katana 750'" Subject: Re: Close call in a tight turn Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:49:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Viteri, Ursulina To: 'Kirk Roy' ; 'DC Cycles' Cc: 'Leslie - Katana 750' Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Close call in a tight turn >Yes, I've heard this same advice a few times and I'm up for trying out the >dirt. Might hurt a little less than pavement! Yes....but it will hurt more often. Factor that in when shopping for gear for dirt riding. >I'm hoping when Leslie with >the green 750 Katana (a lister) returns from vacation from TN he'll be >bring back his 250cc dirt bike and let me give it a try. I'll be sure have >knee pads by then! :-) Let's hope it's not a CR250 (or its equivalent). Seat height might be a problem for you (as well as the CRAZY power). >Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 15:03:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27526 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10366 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23680 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA10105 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: VFR vs XX In-Reply-To: <199809081832.OAA11459@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > R1 dry is 396, XX dry is 497 I belive. If that's Yamaha's dry weight for the R1 it's probably without oil or coolant. That'd put it in the 430 lb ballpark with all fluids. Still amazing for an open class bike but heavier than I'd like. I wonder if it'll be possible to get Yamaha's new 600 below 400 lbs full of gas... Something I haven't seen editorialized or anything: if 750s are the premier racing class for 4-strokes and 600s are the top sellers why are the open class bikes seeing such fast evolution? > We may weight mine XX - it is stock so far, so we will know what is > wet weight.... Where does one go about weighing a bike? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 15:05:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27606 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10399 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23758 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA19861; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980908190351.GUHW618@localHost>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:03:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Close call in a tight turn X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980908190351.GUHW618@localHost> Kirk Roy wrote (tearily ..sniff) ;) >Of all the bikes I've seen on dc-cycles related outings the >only one I've really been jealous of is Randy Dow's dp bike (and I don't >even remember what it was...). I wouldn't even mind having an XR100... Stop gushing already and just get one! ;) And if you see a good deal somewhere you're not interested in, let me know. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 16:00:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00335 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11436 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26344 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:59:46 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 08 Sep 1998 15:59:44 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 08 Sep 1998 15:59:44 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 001F235F58CB0006-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 001F235F58CB0006 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <001F235F58CB0006*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 08 Sep 1998 15:59:44 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: Kirk Roy (IPM Return requested) cc: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: VFR vs XX Message-Id: <001F235F58CB0006*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Kirk, At http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk they put the dry weight of the R6 at 372 lbs., add 3.7 gallons of gas and one gallon of oil and the wet weight should probably be in the area of 400-410 lbs. Not bad for a 600 (with a claimed 120 hp at the crank). The production racer replica 750's are a dying breed. When you can get the kind of performance out of a 600 that is rapidly approaching that of the 750's, the extra cost just doesn't make sense. The thought is that the 750's racers will go the way of the RC-45, ZX-7RR, the new Yamaha 750 (only 500 will be made) as big bucks racetrack only machines, leaving the GSXR as the only production 750. The open classers are evolving so quickly to keep ahead of the 600's. Don B Something I haven't seen editorialized or anything: if 750s are the premier racing class for 4-strokes and 600s are the top sellers why are the open class bikes seeing such fast evolution? From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 18:07:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05858 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02597 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03819 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:07:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id SJKRa18399; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7bf458e3.35f5aa60@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:06:24 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/8/98 2:11:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << What does the R-1 actually weigh? Has anyone published real tank empty and tank full weights? Curiosity and all that... >> R-1 weighs in at about 390 dry and 420 wet if I recall. Zx-9R is about 400 dry 430 wet. Ciao fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 18:10:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05871 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02620 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03897 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id SLNNa14123; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:08:50 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/8/98 3:19:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << Where does one go about weighing a bike? >> Roll it onto two bathroom scales. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 18:48:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07686 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07882 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (known smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05409 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA47240; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:32:06 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA34890; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:46:45 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100022200635; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:51:08 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Subject: Now it's officially Autumn Message-ID: <5040100022200635000002L052*@MHS> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:51:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I'm with ya Horkster, that leather jacket really felt good this morning............. too bad the ride into work couldn't have been longer......... Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX '83 CX650C ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 09-08-98 12:08 PM --------------------------- Horkster@XXXXXX on 09-08-98 11:34:56 AM Please respond to Horkster@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Now it's officially Autumn >>Yep. It's ofishul! (snip) >>I got enough of a chill on the ride in to work this morning,(snip) >>Loving life. Tailwinds, curves, and smooth pavement to you all. >>Horkster From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 18:56:43 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08087 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA29310; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:55:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-18.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.82) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028931; Tue Sep 8 17:55:22 1998 Message-ID: <35F5845C.7A53@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:29:54 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Anita Lauro Subject: Sorry ABout missing out on Sunday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita , Others , Really sorry about mising the CAMS ride Sunday. I had not been feeling great the past month or so, initially being treated as srep throat, unfortunately this weekend the pain in my throat became unbearable, and a Doctors visit reveals a serious growth in my throat that unfortunately will require further examination and a biopsy etc..to hope to rule out the Big-C, Hopefully just some benign tumours, growths.. weird is all I can think. At least they gave me some pain pills that seem to be helping some. (although please excuse any typing problems hehe;) and I had though it was just strep throat or something. Ride Safe and Free for as long as you can, I know I will be whenever possible ths fall. My new days off are going to From Sunday at approximately 0900 to Wednesday, as I now work nites, so I can get the good Dr stuff done in the day. Anybody ever up for a ride some Sunday afternoon or evening or Monday /Tuesday just give me a yell, Just dont expect me to talk much hehe...Guess I am going to learn sign language or something. Although honestly, who needs to talk much when riding, the big grins generally tell it all. ;) -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 22:57:29 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18220 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lc44c.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.140]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA18446; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980908225622.00716e4c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:56:22 -0400 To: Boiade@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: VFR vs XX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is a stone and gravel yard in Falls Church right down the street from Coleman on Washington St. They will weigh a bike with/without rider for $2. I've weighed all of my vehicles there. Later, -Tom '86 VFR750 At 06:08 PM 9/8/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/8/98 3:19:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< Where does one go about weighing a bike? > >> >Roll it onto two bathroom scales. > >Ciao, > >Fred > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 8 23:38:32 1998 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19917; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17802; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:38:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from harry@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199809090338.XAA17802@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rookie help (shameless self-promotion) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Sep 1998 07:54:33 EDT." <199809081219.IAA08129@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:38:31 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >P.S. Would the new admin address be >ADMIN ADDRESS: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX ? Yes, postings should be sent to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' and subscribe/unsubscribe or other administrative requests should be sent to 'dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX' . -harry From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 9 00:22:54 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21678 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA27807; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:19:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:15:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VFR vs XX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199809081832.OAA11459@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >>What does the R-1 actually weigh? Has anyone published real tank empty and >>tank full weights? Curiosity and all that... > R1 dry is 396, XX dry is 497 I belive. According to Mot Online,the R1 is 445lbs wet,the XX is 557 wet. Personally,I get annoyed at all the dry weight and crank power stats the manufacturers spout in their ads.They're meaningless.You can't ride a bike with no gas/oil/coolant,and it's what's at the rear wheel that counts. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 9 00:26:16 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21691 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA27822; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:22:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:20:27 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VFR vs XX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > Where does one go about weighing a bike? Truck weighing stations on the interstate could prolly do it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 9 00:32:26 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22106 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA27852; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:28:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:23:43 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <008801bddb3c$e4bc2c60$38f31bce@richard> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > I'm still waiting on your response regarding $ervice for your Ducati$. Not to throw more napalm on the fire,but I'm curious about the service needs of Ducks.How hard is it to change the cam belts,and how long do they last?And what're valve adjustments like on 916's?I seem to recall when they first came out shop manuals were hard to come by,so most people were stuck getting them done by the dealer.From the pics I've seen of Ducks w/out their clothes,it doesn't look like a pleasant experience getting in there to mess with them. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 15!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 9 06:28:40 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA07819 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:28:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id FGYTa12639; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2045cdaa.35f657fd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:27:09 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VFR vs. XX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/9/98 12:37:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << I've seen of Ducks w/out their clothes,it doesn't look like a pleasant experience getting in there to mess with them. >> Actually, it depends on he Ducati, Monsters are quite easy to service from what I hear. The lift off tank cover also makes access easy on most Ducatis from what owners tell me. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 9 07:28:13 1998 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (mberman@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10380 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id HAA03588; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:27:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Ride 4 Kids Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I will likely be there. I will be leaving from Silver Spring at an unknown time. I'd be willing to hook up with someone on the way up, but don't want to lead anything since it's now certain that I'll be going. If the weather's as nice as last year, it'll be mob scene at Columbia Mall. Any suggestions on a hang-out place up there so that we can find each other. Hey, how about we all wear the DC-Cycles T-Shirts? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 9 07:38:39 1998 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from news1.radix.net (news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10863 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA11911; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:38:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: Morris Berman cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Morris Berman wrote: > Hey, how about we all wear the DC-Cycles T-Shirts? WHAT DC-Cycles T-Shirts??? Didn't know there WAS such a creature? Where would one obtain one? Inquiring minds want to know :) Dawn '96 Virago 1100 Special *====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 9 08:29:52 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13066 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809091229.IAA13066@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4B9FAF0206; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 08:29:45 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 08:25:25 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:38 AM 9/9/98 -0400, Dawn Gibson wrote: > >On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Morris Berman wrote: >> Hey, how about we all wear the DC-Cycles T-Shirts? > >WHAT DC-Cycles T-Shirts??? Didn't know there WAS such a creature? Where >would one obtain one? >Inquiring minds want to know :) >Dawn Hey everybody! Dawn doesn't know about the dc-cycles t-shirts! :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 9 17:53:33 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06877 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 62 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:52:42 -0400 Message-ID: <35F6F8D2.4785FC01@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 17:53:22 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids References: <199809091229.IAA13066@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > > Hey everybody! Dawn doesn't know about the dc-cycles t-shirts! > > :-) > Chris Norloff Speaking of which, I lost mine somewhere. I need to get another one! They were pretty cool! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 9 19:56:21 1998 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12807 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA24144 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:55:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wbg-va3-11.ix.netcom.com(205.184.195.107) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024094; Wed Sep 9 18:55:30 1998 Message-ID: <35F73F32.37773973@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:53:38 -0700 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 1985 Nighthawk S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone, I have a 1985 Honda Nighthawk S, CB700SC for sale. The bike is in good condition, Blue/Black and has 15K miles. Asking $1800/obo. Ed Hand 703-922-6759 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 01:41:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27700 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23508 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16781 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WVKFa24183 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48bfac62.35f7663b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:40:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Motorcycle maintenance....a most UN-zenlike experience. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Well, I spent a glorious 6 hours working on the bike today.....and all I did was change the rear brake pads and put the wheel back on after getting a new tire.Being the least mechanically inclined person in a household of mechanically inclined people can sometimes be a drag.The only real tough spot was when a flat rubber thing fell out of the bike at the very end, and turned out to be a quite important piece that kept the chain from sawing through the frame. But neither the Clymer's nor the shop manual even mentioned the piece or from whence it came. So I ended up honing my troubleshooting skills, (or lack thereof), in the process. But I now have an astonishing familiarity with the rear wheel assembly, drivetrain, and braking system. Yay. Forgot what having a rear tire with a proper profile felt like. The old tire had about 5k on it, all of it mostly commuting miles, and was almost bald in the middle, and the sides had a great deal of tread left. Bike leans in more smoothly/quickly now. (My imagination? Naw, couldn't be.) Rear brakes definetly have more bite, and the new gel hand grips make the bike go at least 5 miles per hour faster. They look so trick! Many thanks to the inestimable Art Crow for tech advice and relieving my wallet of it's Atlas-ian burden, and to my slightly more estimable Father for holding the flashlight and other tech bits. A note on these guys, they don't make learning fun, but they're good of making fun of you while you're learning. Anywho, enjoy the weather everyone and ride safe. -Sean Jordan '83 VF750F From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 07:33:00 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13309 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:32:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: DC Cycles , "'Dale Horstman'" Subject: RE: Ride 4 Kids Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:32:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I'm a fairly new member to this list, and I don't know about the T-shirts either. How can I get one? > ---------- > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 5:53 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > > > Hey everybody! Dawn doesn't know about the dc-cycles t-shirts! > > > > :-) > > Chris Norloff > > > Speaking of which, I lost mine somewhere. I need to get > another one! They were pretty cool! :) > > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 07:57:54 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14548 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-20.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.61]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA12795 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:57:50 -0400 Message-ID: <004601bddcb2$19f1ac40$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: German mc banning proposal Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:56:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan list, a few comments on the global pressures mounting: ************ http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0909.html The above link will take you to motorcycleOnline's daily news. The German Federal Environment Ministry is proposing the banning of mc's on some highways and towns and more..... ************ It's not only in Germany a hot item, but in the Netherlands also it's a problem with the governement. But what the European Commision plan to do, thats a realy F***ing story. They will the biker dressed into a full coloured racesuit, on a bike, full dressed with shield and legprotections and airbags, wearing a fullfaced helmet and not allowed to do whatever on your bike. Not even chance the excaustpipes. Thats the reason that many biker are organized in a organisation called MAG or FEM. (Motocyclist Action Group) There are also plan to bring down the noiselevel to 80 dB, Bikes with aircooling should be forbidden and the rest did not more than 100HP. I mean there are some rules, Ican live with it, But when someone ordered to me with clothes or helmet I should wear or that I can't do any maintance on my bike, becourse I'm not a official dealer. Thats going to far. So, I can only hope the biker will stand up for his rights, and will not going under by rules Big Brother is sending to us. Greetings . . . The Netherlands ********* Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Bought for driving all the hiways and byways in comfort Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 07:57:52 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14547 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-20.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.61]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA12792 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:57:49 -0400 Message-ID: <004501bddcb2$191f1a00$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Places to call Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:40:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From this morning's Post/Dr. Gridlock -- For sightings of naughty trucks: Because the 800 "call-me" and license plate numbers don't always satisfy, to find the owner of a truck using the 7-digit DOT number from the cab doors, or the owner of a trailer using the 4- or 5-digit number at the top and rear: www.safersys.org or the American Trucking Assoc at 703 838 1912. For Northern Virginia non-town signal problems or desires: VDOT at 703 383 2776 (Jeris White, Signal Systems Manager). Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 08:49:10 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16671 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809101249.IAA16671@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AAC1750260; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:49:05 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:47:35 -0400 To: , HolmesM@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: DC-cycles logo [was:Ride 4 Kids] In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I'm a fairly old member on this list, and I know that the t-shirts exist only in our fevered imaginations. :-) We've got a number of contributions at http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html (my favorites are 1b, 10 & 12) but no one has taken action since the last flurry of email. Perhaps the best is for one person to solicit and collect votes, then make a t-shirt run based on who pre-pays for t-shirts/patches/decals of the chosen graphic. Are you volunteering? :-) Chris Norloff At 07:32 AM 9/10/98 -0400, Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >Well, I'm a fairly new member to this list, and I don't know about the >T-shirts either. How can I get one? > >> ---------- >> From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 5:53 PM >> To: DC Cycles >> Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids >> >> Chris Norloff wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hey everybody! Dawn doesn't know about the dc-cycles t-shirts! >> > >> > :-) >> > Chris Norloff >> >> >> Speaking of which, I lost mine somewhere. I need to get >> another one! They were pretty cool! :) >> >> >> -- >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >> horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here >> who think I am normal!" - Me >> >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >> > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 08:59:01 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17091 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:00:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:00:03 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I don't know about them either. I though that's why we were voting on a = logo. Scooter >>> Dale Horstman 09/09/98 05:53PM >>> Chris Norloff wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hey everybody! Dawn doesn't know about the dc-cycles t-shirts! >=20 > :-) > Chris Norloff Speaking of which, I lost mine somewhere. I need to get another one! They were pretty cool! :) --=20 Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here=20 who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" =20 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 09:37:28 1998 Return-Path: altaanc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18520 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adib.erols.com (207-172-53-208.s208.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17317 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809101336.JAA17317@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: Subject: RE: RIDE FOR KIDS Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:28:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A DC CYCLES T-SHIRT. --ALTAAN CHOUDHRY 9D6 FiZzeR From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:09:28 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19892 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA13217; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980910140851.OWKX611@XXXXXX>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:08:51 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , "DC Cycles" , "'Dale Horstman'" Subject: DC-Cycles T-Shirts Was: Ride 4 Kids Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:08:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bddcc4$7b5c7700$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 For all those that would like to know how to get a DC-Cycles t-shirt, sticker, patch, cap, etc., go here.. http://dc-cycles.org/logo.html ...then respectfully submit your entry that will never be voted on. ;) Todd (mr. cynical) > -----Original Message----- > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [mailto:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 7:33 AM > To: DC Cycles; 'Dale Horstman' > Subject: RE: Ride 4 Kids > > > Well, I'm a fairly new member to this list, and I don't know about the > T-shirts either. How can I get one? > > > ---------- > > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 5:53 PM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids > > > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey everybody! Dawn doesn't know about the dc-cycles t-shirts! > > > > > > :-) > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > Speaking of which, I lost mine somewhere. I need to get > > another one! They were pretty cool! :) > > > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > > who think I am normal!" - Me > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:09:43 1998 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19895 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07100 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07321 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:11:24 -0400 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260365A8@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Introduction Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:11:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hello everyone! I have been lurking for a short while now (although I jumped in on a couple of topics I couldn't resist once or twice) and I thought it was time to introduce myself. I have lived in the DC metro area for 25 years not including the 4+ years I spent at college in Florida, and have been riding motorcycles for 11 years, since I was 18. My first motorcycle was an '86 Yamaha FZ600 I purchased a couple of days after taking the Motorcycle Safety Foundation course. I have owned a few bikes since then and have ridden a few more. I have a definite lean towards sport bikes but would ride anything with two wheels with a smile on my face. I am not an aggressive street rider and have been fortunate (luck + sense + MSF + skill) to have never gone down (not yet as the saying goes). I started racing at the beginning of this season up at Summit Point and it has been by far the most exciting thing I have done (compared to skydiving, flying, and scuba diving). I will be up at Summit for the WERA event this weekend racing in the lightweight division on my FZR400. I look forward to going on some group rides in the near future and meeting everyone. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:16:01 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20331 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , DC Cycles , "'Dale Horstman'" , "'Todd Peer'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles T-Shirts Was: Ride 4 Kids Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:15:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks. I voted for my choices that will never be voted on. > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:08 AM > To: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO; DC Cycles; 'Dale Horstman' > Subject: DC-Cycles T-Shirts Was: Ride 4 Kids > > > For all those that would like to know how to get a DC-Cycles t-shirt, > sticker, patch, cap, etc., go here.. > > http://dc-cycles.org/logo.html > > ...then respectfully submit your entry that will never be voted on. > ;) > > Todd (mr. cynical) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [mailto:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 7:33 AM > > To: DC Cycles; 'Dale Horstman' > > Subject: RE: Ride 4 Kids > > > > > > Well, I'm a fairly new member to this list, and I don't know about the > > T-shirts either. How can I get one? > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 5:53 PM > > > To: DC Cycles > > > Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids > > > > > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey everybody! Dawn doesn't know about the dc-cycles t-shirts! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > > Speaking of which, I lost mine somewhere. I need to get > > > another one! They were pretty cool! :) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > > > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > > > who think I am normal!" - Me > > > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > > > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:17:21 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20351 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:14:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm thinking about day tripping up to Summit Point on Saturday. Anybody interested? Elsewise, could someone send me directions, and gate fees? Never been there, it just seems like something fun to do on a sunny day. -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:29:49 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20842 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11076; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:30:50 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11978EA@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Mark Petty'" , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:30:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'll be heading out tomorrow night with all the race goodies and hopefully get everything set up and ready to go.... Go to either: http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com or http://marrc.nova.org To get info and directions. The gate fee is $20. As always, my pit is open to all. Feel free to grab a cold drink, store gear in the pit, offer help *wink*, or jsut stop by and get my Oklahoma talking disease started! I'll be diagonal to the restrooms towards pit out along the front straight. I'm not sure what number WERA will asign me, but the bike is a 97 GSXR750 with 96 bodywork (Brown and gold) with a red front fender ....hard to miss it... We may even have our banner completed in time to put it up on the canopy: DC-Cycles Racing For more info on us, check out: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ C ya'll out there... > Elsewise, could someone send me directions, and gate fees? Never been > there, it just seems like something fun to do on a sunny day. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:32:02 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21203 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:29:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:29:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > Directions from where?? Good point. NoVa; Woodbridge in specific. > ALso - you can get reduced price tickets at most area > motorcycle dealers - > save you a few buck$ (it's around $20 at the gate - i forget > exactly how much) Thanks. -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:32:47 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21214 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:32:45 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA17638; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:34:43 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017459; Thu, 10 Sep 98 10:34:07 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZ200B3PODWOV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525667B.004FB4DB ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:30:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:30:07 -0400 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles T-Shirts Was: Ride 4 Kids To: Todd Peer Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <8525667B.004F8F1F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Good idea ... then you can wear your new t-shirt when you go over and use the "dc-cycles" tire changer/mounter. :-) --chris To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , DC Cycles , 'Dale Horstman' cc: From: Todd Peer Date: 09/10/98 02:08:27 PM GMT Subject: DC-Cycles T-Shirts Was: Ride 4 Kids For all those that would like to know how to get a DC-Cycles t-shirt, sticker, patch, cap, etc., go here.. http://dc-cycles.org/logo.html ...then respectfully submit your entry that will never be voted on. ;) Todd (mr. cynical) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21302 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:35:23 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 10 Sep 1998 10:35:21 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 10 Sep 1998 10:35:21 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 002CB35F7E3A9009-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 002CB35F7E3A9009 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <002CB35F7E3A9009*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 10 Sep 1998 10:35:21 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested), Donald Burger (IPM Return requested) Subject: Voting for logos Message-Id: <002CB35F7E3A9009*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> OK - listen up! I'll handle the voting. Someone else can do the purchasing. Instructions: 1. Go to: http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html 2. Pick your favorite logo. 3. Send your reply to my address, don't send them to the list. 4. Leave the word voting in the subject of reply, thats how I will filter the responses. 5. Voting ends next Wednesday Sept 16 at midnight local time. 6. Don't b*tch if you don't vote. 7. Don't b*tch even if you do vote. Don B From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:38:54 1998 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21312 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Sep 1998 14:38:50 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09042 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > I'm thinking about day tripping up to Summit Point on Saturday. Anybody > interested? > > Elsewise, could someone send me directions, and gate fees? Never been > there, it just seems like something fun to do on a sunny day. > > -Mark > > '83 V65 Magna I'm definitley going Saturday & Sunday. The weather has been _beautiful_, I only hope it holds up. For directions, go to www.summitpoint-raceway.com. But the short version is "Go on Rt. 7 west for quite a while, then turn right!" Gate fees are $20 at the door, or $18 if you buy them at a moto shop in advance. That fee covers you for both days of the WERA races. I plan to leave saturday morning from Ashburn. If anyone is interested in riding up, I'm sure we can arrange a meeting some where. Alex. '94 VFR750 P.S. Dc-cycles racing all the way baby! I know colin's going to kick some ass this time! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:41:51 1998 Return-Path: owner-dc-cycles@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21395 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04979 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28425 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:26:56 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WQHTa18400 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73a1830.35f7e18e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:26:22 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Motorcycle maintenance....a most UN-zenlike experience. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 >Being the least mechanically inclined person in a household of >mechanically inclined people can sometimes be a drag. Yes, but you're getting much better at thinking things out >Many thanks to ... Art Crow ... and ... Father >A note on these guys, they don't make learning fun, but they're good of >making fun of you while you're learning. It's called reinforcement. Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX 1100G '78 Kid From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:42:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21594 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00359 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22064 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA12663 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:45:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: DC Cycles T-Shirts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeah!! how how how?? Dawn '96 Virago 1100 Special On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > Well, I'm a fairly new member to this list, and I don't know about the > T-shirts either. How can I get one? > > > ---------- > > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 5:53 PM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids > > > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey everybody! Dawn doesn't know about the dc-cycles t-shirts! > > > > > > :-) > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > Speaking of which, I lost mine somewhere. I need to get > > another one! They were pretty cool! :) > > > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > > who think I am normal!" - Me > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:43:46 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21725 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809101443.KAA21725@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A58E7A50510; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:43:26 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:37:52 -0400 To: "Todd Peer" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC-Cycles T-Shirts Was: Ride 4 Kids Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000801bddcc4$7b5c7700$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I vote Todd Peer in charge of running the vote and organizing the t-shirt/path/decal run. All in favor say AYE! All opposed, say NEIGH :-) Chris (Mr. Opportunity) Norloff At 10:08 AM 9/10/98 -0400, you wrote: > >For all those that would like to know how to get a DC-Cycles t-shirt, >sticker, patch, cap, etc., go here.. > > http://dc-cycles.org/logo.html > >...then respectfully submit your entry that will never be voted on. > ;) > >Todd (mr. cynical) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [mailto:HolmesM@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 7:33 AM >> To: DC Cycles; 'Dale Horstman' >> Subject: RE: Ride 4 Kids >> >> >> Well, I'm a fairly new member to this list, and I don't know about the >> T-shirts either. How can I get one? >> >> > ---------- >> > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 5:53 PM >> > To: DC Cycles >> > Subject: Re: Ride 4 Kids >> > >> > Chris Norloff wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > Hey everybody! Dawn doesn't know about the dc-cycles t-shirts! >> > > >> > > :-) >> > > Chris Norloff >> > >> > >> > Speaking of which, I lost mine somewhere. I need to get >> > another one! They were pretty cool! :) >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >> > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here >> > who think I am normal!" - Me >> > >> > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >> > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >> > >> > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:55:58 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22206 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12341; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:56:23 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11978EE@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Alex Milenkovic'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:56:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for the confidence booster. I'm hoping to do really well, but since this is my first WERA event of the season and I don't have any points in the series, I'll be gridded pretty much at the back of the pack. I plan on making it up towards the front though :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Milenkovic [SMTP:alexm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:47 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? > > > P.S. Dc-cycles racing all the way baby! I know colin's going > to kick some ass this time! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:57:11 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22289 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id KAA12671 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525667B.00569F18 ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:55:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525667B.00520166.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:56:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Voting for logos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Who's idea was it to put that goofy Buell on the first logo sketch? ;-) heh heh heh -Doug :-) sold my bike douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) , Donald Burger (IPM Return requested) cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Voting for logos OK - listen up! I'll handle the voting. Someone else can do the purchasing. Instructions: 1. Go to: http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html 2. Pick your favorite logo. 3. Send your reply to my address, don't send them to the list. 4. Leave the word voting in the subject of reply, thats how I will filter the responses. 5. Voting ends next Wednesday Sept 16 at midnight local time. 6. Don't b*tch if you don't vote. 7. Don't b*tch even if you do vote. Don B From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 10:59:31 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22326 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:59:29 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 10 Sep 1998 10:59:19 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 10 Sep 1998 10:59:19 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 02CB235F7E94700A-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 02CB235F7E94700A Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <02CB235F7E94700A*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 10 Sep 1998 10:59:19 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: FW: Voting for logos Message-Id: <02CB235F7E94700A*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I also meant to say put your vote in the body, not in the subject. I have my e-mail set to filter based on the number place in the body of the e-mail. If its is the subject it will be ignored by both the computer and me. I plan on doing this with little or no input on my part. -----Original Message----- From: Burger, Donald Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:25 AM To: DC Cycles; 'Donald Burger' Subject: Voting for logos OK - listen up! I'll handle the voting. Someone else can do the purchasing. Instructions: 1. Go to: http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html 2. Pick your favorite logo. 3. Send your reply to my address, don't send them to the list. 4. Leave the word voting in the subject of reply, thats how I will filter the responses. 5. Voting ends next Wednesday Sept 16 at midnight local time. 6. Don't b*tch if you don't vote. 7. Don't b*tch even if you do vote. Don B From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 11:19:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23233 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02756 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00435 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 10 Sep 1998 15:18:57 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11437 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC Cycles T-Shirts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Dawn Gibson wrote: > > Yeah!! how how how?? > > Dawn > '96 Virago 1100 Special > > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > > > Well, I'm a fairly new member to this list, and I don't know about the > > T-shirts either. How can I get one? Its a joke. There is no DC-Cycles shirt, logo, tire mounter, gerbil insertion kit (though I'm working on that one), tractor, or rhody. There *is* a dc-cycles racing (sort of) with Brian and Collin being Designated rodney #1 and 2. I think we all kind of lament the fact that we cant get off our collective rears and decide, which is why the constant humoring. At least I do. Lord knows the kind of trouble I got in last time I tried to speak for anyone - the leon goon squad(tm) pistol whipped me in my driveway like ray liotta in goodfellas. Just wanted to clear things up. Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 11:20:15 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23322 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:18:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wanna meet up somewhere near 28 & 7? What time would we be talking about? Before 8am would be, well, less than pleasant. Mark '83 V65 Magna > I plan to leave saturday morning from Ashburn. If anyone is > interested in riding up, I'm sure we can arrange a meeting some > where. > > Alex. > '94 VFR750 > > P.S. Dc-cycles racing all the way baby! I know colin's going > to kick some ass this time! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 11:20:53 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23332 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:20:50 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 10 Sep 1998 11:20:38 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 10 Sep 1998 11:20:38 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0533535F7EE4601E-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0533535F7EE4601E Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0533535F7EE4601E*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:20:38 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: FW: Voting for logos Message-Id: <0533535F7EE4601E*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Three more things. Delete my text before replying, the numbers mess up the sorting. Put the reply in the body and ONLY PUT IN ONE NUMBER!!!! I don't care about second, third, and fourth choices. -----Original Message----- From: Burger, Donald Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:25 AM To: DC Cycles; 'Donald Burger' Subject: Voting for logos OK - listen up! I'll handle the voting. Someone else can do the purchasing. Instructions: 1. Go to: http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html 2. Pick your favorite logo. 3. Send your reply to my address, don't send them to the list. 4. Leave the word voting in the subject of reply, thats how I will filter the responses. 5. Voting ends next Wednesday Sept 16 at midnight local time. 6. Don't b*tch if you don't vote. 7. Don't b*tch even if you do vote. Don B From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 11:32:27 1998 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from news1.radix.net (news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23879 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13597 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:31:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: FW: Voting for logos In-Reply-To: <0533535F7EE4601E*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 10 Sep 1998, Burger, Donald wrote: > Three more things. > Delete my text before replying, the numbers mess up the sorting. > Put the reply in the body and ONLY PUT IN ONE NUMBER!!!! > I don't care about second, third, and fourth choices. Sheeesh! Make up my mind! This message came in 1 minute AFTER I'd sent my vote. Sorry for the duplicate. Dawn '96 Virago 1100 Special From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 11:59:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25230 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03984 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02877 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 215; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:58:42 -0400 Message-ID: <35F7F756.D9D60958@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:59:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Milenkovic , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: DC Cycles T-Shirts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex Milenkovic wrote: > > Lord knows the kind of trouble I got in last time I tried to speak > for anyone - the leon goon squad(tm) pistol whipped me in my driveway > like ray liotta in goodfellas. :) Funny thing is, since his bike died on him in Nebraska, you were sort of right in your assessment of his bike all along. Oh well. Us vigilantes aren't supposed to have consciences... :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 12:04:55 1998 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25325 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Sep 1998 16:04:51 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14310 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > Wanna meet up somewhere near 28 & 7? What time would we be talking > about? Before 8am would be, well, less than pleasant. > > Mark > '83 V65 Magna > I live right off there. How about 8:30 AM at Burger King? Its a 45min-1hr ride (depending if we do 100, as I did with ursulina, or 75, if we're afraid of cops) and very pleasant in the morning. Works out to about 42 miles.. most are highway (7-west) and 3-4 are backroads. Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 12:34:33 1998 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26677; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809101634.MAA26677@meretrix.com> To: "Burger, Donald " cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Voting for logos In-reply-to: Your message of "10 Sep 1998 10:35:21 EDT." <002CB35F7E3A9009*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:34:32 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >OK - listen up! I'll handle the voting. Someone else can do the >purchasing. Before we jump into a voting process, it seems to me that some of these designs are more suitable for certain applications than others. For instance, it is easy to use your computer to generate a neat image with colored graphics and photographic images, but how practical is it to actually try to print such an image onto a t-shirt or sticker? A few people have mentioned working in "graphic arts", can anyone comment on feasibility/infeasibility of submissions for a particular use? Should we try to limit ourselves to a 2 or 3 color design? -harry From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 13:36:31 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29673 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.43] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00140; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:39:35 -0400 Message-ID: <01cb01bddce1$07e45a00$6773c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Burger, Donald " Cc: Subject: Re: Voting for logos Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:32:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Having worked in an embroidery shop I can tell you that none of these logos are very good for embroidering. All too complex & fading colors are impossible to sew on a hat or jacket. My $.02 >OK - listen up! I'll handle the voting. Someone else can do the >>purchasing. > >Before we jump into a voting process, it seems to me that some of >these designs are more suitable for certain applications than others. >For instance, it is easy to use your computer to generate a neat >image with colored graphics and photographic images, but how practical >is it to actually try to print such an image onto a t-shirt or sticker? > >A few people have mentioned working in "graphic arts", can anyone >comment on feasibility/infeasibility of submissions for a particular >use? Should we try to limit ourselves to a 2 or 3 color design? >-harry > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 13:41:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29992 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07686 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08113 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:43:14 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:42:59 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Blue Book Value Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Anyone know the site where I can check out the current value of my bike? From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 13:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00292 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id NAA00635; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:47:49 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id NAA25573; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:47:49 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: Mark Petty cc: "'cycles'" Subject: Re: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The last time I went to Summit Point (2 weeks ago) it was $20 dollars to get in. The pass would allow you to enter both Saturday and Sunday. However if you showed up on Sunday it was still $20. Have fun, Hugh A. Caldwell On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > I'm thinking about day tripping up to Summit Point on Saturday. Anybody > interested? > > Elsewise, could someone send me directions, and gate fees? Never been > there, it just seems like something fun to do on a sunny day. > > -Mark > > '83 V65 Magna > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 13:57:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00732 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07959 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iacs5.ucsd.edu (known iacs5.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.246]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18880 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bkwon@localhost) by iacs5.ucsd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14932; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: BodMaster Reply-To: bkwon@XXXXXX To: SCOTT Rush cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EXUP Motorcycle Blue Book Value In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Try www.mcnews.com They have a link to their bike value guide in there. They haven't updated it since Spring of '98. I had e-mailed them about this a few times, and each time they told me that "We are doing it right now!" Those bastards.. but I beleive they are the only ones with an online "blue book" for motorcycles. If anyone else knows of any, let me know!!!! Bryant On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, SCOTT Rush wrote: > Anyone know the site where I can check out the current value of my bike? >=20 >=20 >=20 > =FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF > **Don't forget EXUP IRC chat Thursday at 9 PM MST** > =FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF > **Euro chat is sunday at 19:00 GMT** > =FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF > ---> The New 'Official' Brotherhood web page is up! > ---> visit http://superbike.home.mindspring.com/exup.html > =FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF >=20 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 13:57:57 1998 Return-Path: weaverd@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00728 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daveweaver (usr44-dialup49.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EZ20012SXUJS0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:56:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:53:30 -0400 From: Dave Weaver Subject: Re: Voting for logos To: Harry Mantakos , "Burger, Donald " Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01bddce3$ebdf2a80$f14d37a6@daveweaver> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Priority: 3 There are new print processes which allow full photo-realistic printing on t-shirts, but are cheap (about $20 a shirt). I don't know the name of the process/printer, but this is apparently widely known and used now. We should be able to handle any of the designs. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Harry Mantakos To: Burger, Donald Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Voting for logos > >>OK - listen up! I'll handle the voting. Someone else can do the >>purchasing. > >Before we jump into a voting process, it seems to me that some of >these designs are more suitable for certain applications than others. >For instance, it is easy to use your computer to generate a neat >image with colored graphics and photographic images, but how practical >is it to actually try to print such an image onto a t-shirt or sticker? > >A few people have mentioned working in "graphic arts", can anyone >comment on feasibility/infeasibility of submissions for a particular >use? Should we try to limit ourselves to a 2 or 3 color design? >-harry From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 14:09:57 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01197 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA24595; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:11:54 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024442; Thu, 10 Sep 98 14:11:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZ2004R7YFW2L@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525667B.0063985C ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:07:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:08:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Voting for logos To: Bruce Norton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525667B.00638C96.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Bruce, For the t-shirts, I doubt we are talking about embroirdery (due to cost), I think (hope) we would be leaning more toward screen printing ... However, it's a good point if we are looking at hats or patches. Later, chris From: Bruce Norton Date: 09/10/98 05:32:10 PM GMT Subject: Re: Voting for logos Having worked in an embroidery shop I can tell you that none of these logos are very good for embroidering. All too complex & fading colors are impossible to sew on a hat or jacket. My $.02 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 14:22:35 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02120 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA25269 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Voting for logos In-Reply-To: <046FE35F7FB4300D*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Bur ger/g=Donald/@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had t-shirts made up in relatively small quantities recently. With about 45 shirts it was about $9 each to have them in 3 colors (various shades of gray counted as different colors). This was with screen printing, which is, as far as I know, still the sturdiest process. Photo realistic images will fade more quickly. Something like 1b, without the gradients, ought to be simple enough for an economical screen printing job. Some of the others will bump you up a level on price, but not too significantly... Wasn't someone on the list an employee/owner of a screen printing shop? BTW, if you're curious about the t-shirts I did there's a mock up on the net: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/t-shirts.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 14:38:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02702 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08596 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22228 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNS9YEWQ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:59 EDT To: SRUSH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Blue Book Value Message-ID: <19980909.202455.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:59 EDT What year, make, and model is your bike? --Bikes R Us-- On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:42:59 -0400 "SCOTT Rush" writes: >Anyone know the site where I can check out the current value of my >bike? > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 14:42:08 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02824 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA26560; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:41:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980910184100.RLMT611@XXXXXX>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:41:00 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Alex Milenkovic" , Subject: RE: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:40:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bddcea$7fd27980$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > I'm definitley going Saturday & Sunday. The weather has been > _beautiful_, I only hope it holds up. For directions, go to > www.summitpoint-raceway.com. But the short version is > "Go on Rt. 7 west for quite a while, then turn right!" > Gate fees are $20 at the door, or $18 if you buy them at a moto > shop in advance. That fee covers you for both days of the WERA > races. Free if you volunteer to cornerwork :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 14:46:25 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03206 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA17932; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980910184546.RMQZ611@XXXXXX>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:45:46 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "David Cross" , Subject: RE: Introduction Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:45:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bddceb$2a956120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260365A8@bdanet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Very cool Dave, I'll try and find you to say hello this weekend. Oh, and be good in my corner, ok? ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cross [mailto:david@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:11 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Introduction > > > Hello everyone! > > I have been lurking for a short while now (although I jumped in on a > couple of topics I couldn't resist once or twice) and I thought it was > time to introduce myself. I have lived in the DC metro area for 25 > years not including the 4+ years I spent at college in Florida, and have > been riding motorcycles for 11 years, since I was 18. My first > motorcycle was an '86 Yamaha FZ600 I purchased a couple of days after > taking the Motorcycle Safety Foundation course. I have owned a few > bikes since then and have ridden a few more. I have a definite lean > towards sport bikes but would ride anything with two wheels with a smile > on my face. I am not an aggressive street rider and have been > fortunate (luck + sense + MSF + skill) to have never gone down (not yet > as the saying goes). > > I started racing at the beginning of this season up at Summit Point and > it has been by far the most exciting thing I have done (compared to > skydiving, flying, and scuba diving). I will be up at Summit for the > WERA event this weekend racing in the lightweight division on my FZR400. > > > I look forward to going on some group rides in the near future and > meeting everyone. > > Dave Cross > WERA & CCS #416am > --------------------------- > Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles > (703) 818 8890 > http://www.fastlanecycles.com > --------------------------- > 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 14:48:38 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03216 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:48:35 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA12702 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809101850.OAA12702@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Saturday & Sunday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I have a free weekend ( unless my pager will go off). This time I am thinking about doing a lazy trip to the coast - Ocean City, Virginia Beach, something like that. Anyone interested in joining me for a few hundred miles ? _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 14:54:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03568 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08856 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22946 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809101854.OAA22946@ringding.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A012100500B6; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:53:06 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:56:39 -0400 To: "SCOTT Rush" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycle Blue Book Value In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:42 PM 9/10/98 -0400, SCOTT Rush wrote: >Anyone know the site where I can check out the current value of my bike? http://www.mcnews.com has national average prices. However, this disguises regional differences. For example, my 1989 BMW K100LT is listed $1,000 lower at MCN than in the Eastern Regional NADA book. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 14:55:06 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03581 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA25943; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Voting for logos In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A243@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > That site didn't come up. > > > BTW, if you're curious about the t-shirts I did there's a mock up on > > the net: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/t-shirts.htm Naturally, I should never do things from memory... It should be: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/tshirt.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 14:59:39 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03709 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:59:39 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B955@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:57:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Regardless if you pay or cornerwork, this is the LAST motorcycle race of the season. There are a few of us listers who experienced the parites of last years final event, and they were, well.. beer filled, 20' bonfire, lotsa Vespa scoorter induced fun. It's a HUGE part on Saturday night.. last year, Crow Bar donated something like 12 kegs.. free beer.. all night, all you can drink. I doubt that's going to happen again this year (seeing as there is no Crow Bar now).. but I don't doubt it'll be as huge a party. And hell, as long as you're up there drinking, you best be camping out.. and if you're camping out, shit.. stick around for the races. They really are a lot of fun.. and if you get tired of just watching, I'm sure DC-Cycles Racing could always use some extra hands in the pits (We may have a banner up, depending on if it arrived at home today). Come on, you've made excuses all summer, why not give in, drop the $20 to get in the gates, watch the final race of the year. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- Free if you volunteer to cornerwork :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 15:01:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03800 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08992 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR05 (known [207.68.143.177] [207.68.143.177]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00979 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alonzo - 208.254.47.129 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:00:45 -0700 From: "ALON WALKER" To: "SCOTT Rush" , , Subject: RE: EXUP Motorcycle Blue Book Value Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bddced$512ceae0$02000003@alonzo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Traderonline.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX > [mailto:owner-exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of SCOTT Rush > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 1:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX > Subject: EXUP Motorcycle Blue Book Value > > > Anyone know the site where I can check out the current value of my bike? > > > > ==================== > **Don't forget EXUP IRC chat Thursday at 9 PM MST** > ==================== > **Euro chat is sunday at 19:00 GMT** > ==================== > ---> The New 'Official' Brotherhood web page is up! > ---> visit http://superbike.home.mindspring.com/exup.html > ==================== > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 15:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04206 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 147; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: <35F82469.B1BAE2F7@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:11:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Voting for logos References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > BTW, if you're curious about the t-shirts I did there's a mock up on the > net: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/t-shirts.htm > Kirk, I found them at: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/tshirt.htm Looks really nice, btw! Horkster From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 15:29:34 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05109 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14522 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:29:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199809101929.PAA14522@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:29:20 -0400 Subject: Re: EXUP Motorcycle Blue Book Value Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 10 Sep 98, at 10:55, BodMaster wrote: > Try www.mcnews.com They have a link to their bike value guide in there. > They haven't updated it since Spring of '98. I had e-mailed them about > this a few times, and each time they told me that "We are doing it right > now!" Those bastards.. but I beleive they are the only ones with an > online "blue book" for motorcycles. If anyone else knows of any, let me > know!!!! Bastards? For what it's worth, if you subscribe to MCN you get their used bike guide a couple times a year. I think they put the older info on the website on purpose... if they just duplicated everything in their (excellent) magazine, there wouldn't be much incentive to subscribe! :-) Anita (not an employee of MCN, but an avid reader!) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 15:50:08 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06085 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01067; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:51:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11978F5@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:51:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah!! What Brian said!!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 16:15:04 1998 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06992 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id NAA09194; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id NAA17618; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA00546; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:14:27 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA00541; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:14:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199809102014.NAA00541@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:14:26 -0700 From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday day trip to Summit Point? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:07:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) > Its a 45min-1hr ride (depending if we do 100, as I did with ursulina, > or 75, if we're afraid of cops) and very pleasant in the morning. > Works out to about 42 miles.. most are highway (7-west) and 3-4 > are backroads. ***Make that 110 mph, buddy! And my little bike held up. Pity I can't make a 5 mph turn without falling over. :-P From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 16:39:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08190 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11985 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07050 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 379; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:38:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35F838CD.D437C69D@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:38:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Voting for logos References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You ever sit back and wonder how different owning a motorcycle is than owning a car? Kirk's t-shirts got me thinking. I couldn't imagine going to a rally with a bunch of people 4 states away who all owned Chrysler Concordes, for example. Or doing something like a poker run in a car on my days off. Or driving a car 1000 miles in a day just for kicks. Or commuting in my car back and forth to work and *ENJOYING* it!!! :) It's hard to imagine myself now without a motorcyle (or 4) to play around with. And I've only been riding street bikes for a couple of years. I must say the last couple of years have been the happiest of my adult life. Coincidence? Of course! ;) Keep on riding, Everyone! Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 18:06:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12050 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14279 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07023 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:03:27 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Kirk Roy" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Voting for logos Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bddd06$c6420680$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35F838CD.D437C69D@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Was at DisneyWorld last year for a business meeting. Seems the national Viper club was having a meeting as well. Really cool to see hundreds of Vipers in one place... Until you find about 40 car carriers (the big semi-trailer type) around the corner from the hotel. How cool. Not!! Reminds me of the HD Blvd. queens (which the Vulcan 1500 and Yam. Royal Stars are becoming in droves) FWIW, there is a website dedicated to 'Contiques' (The ford contour/mercury mystique/ford mondeo). Also have a CEG: Contour Enthusiast Group. Yeah, weird. At least most of us have the V6/5 spd. combination. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 4:39 PM > To: Kirk Roy; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: Voting for logos > > > You ever sit back and wonder how different owning a motorcycle > is than owning a car? Kirk's t-shirts got me thinking. I > couldn't imagine going to a rally with a bunch of people 4 states > away who all owned Chrysler Concordes, for example. Or doing > something like a poker run in a car on my days off. Or driving a > car 1000 miles in a day just for kicks. Or commuting in my car > back and forth to work and *ENJOYING* it!!! :) > > It's hard to imagine myself now without a motorcyle (or 4) to play > around with. And I've only been riding street bikes for a couple > of years. I must say the last couple of years have been the > happiest of my adult life. Coincidence? Of course! ;) > > Keep on riding, Everyone! > > Horkster > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 18:34:38 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13264 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lcmk4.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00071; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980910183257.006bb024@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:32:57 -0400 To: vfrlist@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Help!! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brian needs a rotor puller for his '87 Honda VFR700... Does anyone have something that he can borrow? It's a bolt that threads into the flywheel/rotor and pushes it off the crank. If you can help please reply off list to zellto@XXXXXX. Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 20:37:27 1998 Return-Path: khafre@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18726 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-37-82.s82.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.82]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13566 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F87064.1DC1327C@erols.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:35:48 -0400 From: "John A. Wilson" Reply-To: khafre@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Parking Ticket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rode my bike to work today and got in at around 6AM. Now the place where I park (17 th & G st, NW) has bike specific parking spaces with meters from 7AM - 7 PM. Given the fact that I got there at 6 I decided I would come back out of the building at around 7AM and start feeding the meter. Well I had jumped right into my work and forgot all about feeding the meter. At around noon it hit me. So I went outside to get my ticket (hey this is DC) and feed the meter. After I threw in some quarters and removed my lovely pink ticket I headed back to my building. On the way to the building I read the ticket once. I could not believe what it said so I read it twice. The ticket was not for an expired meter but for "PARKING IN A MOTORCYCLE ONLY PARKING SPACE". Mind you the person who wrote the ticket had to physically write the offense out because there is no check box for that type of offense. This is so hilarious. Since I'm off next week, I'm looking forward to going down to the Adjudication office and settling this one. I can't wait to see the expression on the clerk's or judge's face. Who ever wrote the ticket is an idiot. John 93 Katana 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 20:58:16 1998 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19602 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA05824; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:57:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "John A. Wilson" cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Parking Ticket In-Reply-To: <35F87064.1DC1327C@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sounds like you're guilty, as charged. ;^) --garcia btw, unless you're really bored, you might want to do this by mail. On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, John A. Wilson wrote: > believe what it said so I read it twice. The ticket was not for an > expired meter but for "PARKING IN A MOTORCYCLE ONLY PARKING SPACE". Mind > you the person who wrote the ticket had to physically write the offense > out because there is no check box for that type of offense. This is so > hilarious. Since I'm off next week, I'm looking forward to going down to > the Adjudication office and settling this one. I can't wait to see the > expression on the clerk's or judge's face. Who ever wrote the ticket is > an idiot. > > > John > 93 Katana 750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 10 23:03:49 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24929 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-14.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.55]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09710 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: <011001bddd30$a864f800$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: DC DMV OK Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:02:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Notes on an early morning trip to inspect/register new bike in DC -- By and large, all went smoothly. Into Va. Ave. Inspection depot about 7:00am. No lines (early in day, month). Out about 7:30a after car-type check of all lights, horn, bounce the shocks, then get yellow sheet in office. To D Street DMV. At least two new digital parking meters in front not working, where I park. A small, fast growing line in DMV office which is probably 30 for the 8:15 opening. To window about 8:30a. All smooth after handing over pile of paper. To preclude any problems had enough cash to pay fees (substantial, almost $400) -- lots of little rules about checks, etc. Saw sign that computer generated numbers can now be used in place of SSNO on DC Drivers License (Virginia-like). Duly noted for shorter line time. Out about 9a. Just as getting on bike, a DC Finest comes up to me bellowing something about being lucky. I assume about meter, start to point out not working. He says Lucky my bungeed bag on back still there. "This is DC. Take that stuff with you in the future." Yessir, and thank you. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 paper-legal Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 01:20:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01022 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23172 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26609 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id CEHPa12058; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8df400ef.35f8b2da@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:19:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Saturn for sale - tell your friends! (NO MOTO CONTENT) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 My roomie is selling her very-well-maintained car (I know, I've rode in it and driven it) so if you're interested email me or call her! 1995 Saturn SL2 FOR SALE. Hunter Green w/ Tan Interior 49,000 miles 5 speed, A/C, Cassette Stereo, Fog Lamps, Alarm System, Club. Excellent condition: All scheduled services, never in an accident, near new body and interior. Asking $8,900 or best offer. Washington, DC 202-546-6536, leave message in mailbox 1 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 01:42:44 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA01856 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA10040; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:39:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:30:20 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Voting for logos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8525667B.00520166.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > Who's idea was it to put that goofy Buell on the first logo sketch? ;-) heh > heh heh Grrrrrr.... Actually,I feel the need to vent on the subject of Buells.Since I'm getting the Harley on Mon,I shot off an e-mail to Court Canfield to give him one last shot at helping me work out my probs.He's received mail from me in the past,including my Buell review,and he's said that he would try and help me.His responce to my latest e-mail: I should contact Buell customer support.IAW,he's giving me the brush-off.I'm pissed. I hope there's a TV camera on Monday when I get my bike.I can't wait to tell America how glad I am that I won a Harley so I can unload my current POS. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 14!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 02:14:26 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA03347 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA10137; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:10:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:03:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: FS:'98 Fat Boy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For sale:'98 Fat Boy,black in color,less than 100mi.Will be available Sept 14.Call 703-979-6251. ;-) Seriously folks,the date for me to pick up the Harley has been moved up to Mon(@ 1pm at Wash DC HD/Clinton Cycles).I'd like to invite all the listers to attend.I think it would be just too cool if there were more imports than Harleys at this event.Wash HD has cookouts every weekend during the summer,so I assume they should have eats for this too. Oh and if anyone knows someone looking for a Fat Boy,this one goes on sale right after I pick it up. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 14!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 08:01:01 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18191 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15153; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:02:03 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11978F6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: '98 Fat Boy Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:02:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I still think you should show up with the "for sale" sign in hand!!! I wouldn't be surprised if someone tired of waiting lists bought it right on the spot... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 08:23:05 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19064 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:22:06 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4EFE@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: '98 Fat Boy Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:27:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, and wouldn't the HD dealership shit a brick if somebody advertised a brand new Hawley for LIST PRICE !!!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LTJG [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 11, 1998 8:02 AM > To: 'Gil M. Nissley'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: '98 Fat Boy > > I still think you should show up with the "for sale" sign in hand!!! I > wouldn't be surprised if someone tired of waiting lists bought it right on > the spot... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 08:28:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19423 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28071 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02246 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:28:38 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525667C.003FE8D5 ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:38:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525667C.003FA001.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:38:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Voting for logos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I hope there's a TV camera on Monday when I get my bike.I can't wait to tell America how glad I am that I won a Harley so I can unload my current POS. :-P You can get in a negative comment in, but unless the feed is live, it will never go any farther than the video tape that it's recorded on. Maybe you should consider wearing a t-shirt that says "Buells Suck". From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 08:50:04 1998 Return-Path: RTOBIAS@XXXXXX Received: from csnt1s.imf.org (csnt1s.imf.org [134.113.4.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20298 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by csnt1s.imf.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9DE@mlnt1s.imf.org> From: "Tobias, Robert" To: "'khafre@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Parking Ticket Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:34:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain 1) If you go to the Adjudication Office you're talking about 4 hours out of your life and you still might wind up having to return to see a judge. Is the cost of the ticket (and the and the ever-present principle) worth it? 2) If you do go, you probably shouldn't mention the part about not having paid the meter... On Thursday, September 10, 1998 8:36 PM, John A. Wilson [SMTP:khafre@XXXXXX] wrote: > I rode my bike to work today and got in at around 6AM. Now the place > where I park (17 th & G st, NW) has bike specific parking spaces with > meters from 7AM - 7 PM. Given the fact that I got there at 6 I decided > I would come back out of the building at around 7AM and start feeding > the meter. Well I had jumped right into my work and forgot all about > feeding the meter. At around noon it hit me. So I went outside to get my > ticket (hey this is DC) and feed the meter. After I threw in some > quarters and removed my lovely pink ticket I headed back to my > building. On the way to the building I read the ticket once. I could not > believe what it said so I read it twice. The ticket was not for an > expired meter but for "PARKING IN A MOTORCYCLE ONLY PARKING SPACE". Mind > you the person who wrote the ticket had to physically write the offense > out because there is no check box for that type of offense. This is so > hilarious. Since I'm off next week, I'm looking forward to going down to > the Adjudication office and settling this one. I can't wait to see the > expression on the clerk's or judge's face. 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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BDDE2A.3B4C70E0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:10:02 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from mail.martinagency.com (mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21161 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:07:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:10:02 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: FS:'98 Fat Boy -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Gil, Don't forget to bolt a chrome sissy bar to the Boy and put leather tassles on the handlebars so you can ask $5000 over list for it. Everyone else does. Joe '85 Ninja, '68 FLH, '72 Sprint, '79 RD From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:18:58 1998 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21316 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 13:18:56 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23070; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: "Tobias, Robert" cc: "'khafre@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Parking Ticket In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9DE@mlnt1s.imf.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Tobias, Robert wrote: > 1) If you go to the Adjudication Office you're talking about 4 hours > out of your life and you still might wind up having to return to see a > judge. Is the cost of the ticket (and the and the ever-present > principle) worth it? > > 2) If you do go, you probably shouldn't mention the part about not > having paid the meter... > I think you are missing the funny part. He was on a _motorcycle_ and got a ticket for "Parking in a motorcycle only parking space." See the irony? Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:38:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22276 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28984 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04159 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zHTOq-0000oS-01; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:38:09 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:36:46 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A24D@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , Dale Horstman , Kirk Roy , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Voting for logos Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:35:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of Vipers, does anyone know where/if you can lease one for the day? Tom & I would LOVE to have a viper for our wedding. : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 6:03 PM > To: Dale Horstman; Kirk Roy; DC Cycles List > Subject: RE: Voting for logos > > Was at DisneyWorld last year for a business meeting. Seems the > national > Viper club was having a meeting as well. Really cool to see hundreds > of > Vipers in one place... Until you find about 40 car carriers (the big > semi-trailer type) around the corner from the hotel. How cool. Not!! > Reminds > me of the HD Blvd. queens (which the Vulcan 1500 and Yam. Royal Stars > are > becoming in droves) > > FWIW, there is a website dedicated to 'Contiques' (The ford > contour/mercury > mystique/ford mondeo). Also have a CEG: Contour Enthusiast Group. > Yeah, > weird. At least most of us have the V6/5 spd. combination. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:38:26 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22285 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:39:44 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:39:25 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: '98 Fat Boy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I agree. Put that for sale sign on it. My brother-in-laws father owns a = Harley shop, but he buys and sells all kind of bikes, maybe you can work a = deal with him. The name of the place is J.B.'s Custom Cycles and is in VA = somewhere around Manassas. Let me know if you want his info. Scooter >>> "Fagan, Collin LTJG" 09/11/98 08:02AM >>> I still think you should show up with the "for sale" sign in hand!!! I wouldn't be surprised if someone tired of waiting lists bought it right on the spot... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:42:19 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22633 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zHTSj-000156-00; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:42:09 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:40:50 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A24E@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Voting for logos Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:39:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Let us know when/where/what channel (if you know) so we can watch too! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil M. Nissley [SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 9:30 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Voting for logos > > > Grrrrrr.... > > Actually,I feel the need to vent on the subject of Buells.Since I'm > getting the Harley on Mon,I shot off an e-mail to Court Canfield to > give him one last shot at helping me work out my probs.He's received > mail from me in the past,including my Buell review,and he's said that > he would try and help me.His responce to my latest e-mail: I should > contact Buell customer support.IAW,he's giving me the brush-off.I'm > pissed. > I hope there's a TV camera on Monday when I get my bike.I can't wait > to tell America how glad I am that I won a Harley so I can unload my > current POS. :-P > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 Fat Boy (Sept 14!) > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:49:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22723 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29144 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04452 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WTIa010121 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1df848d9.35f92a2f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:48:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Voting for logos - buell trashing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/11/98 9:46:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << I hope there's a TV camera on Monday when I get my bike.I can't wait > to tell America how glad I am that I won a Harley so I can unload my > current POS. >> Isnt that a bit redundant? Aren't they BOTH POS'? Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:51:01 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22800 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:50:57 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA00693; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:52:52 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000507; Fri, 11 Sep 98 09:52:25 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZ400BL3H4HZV@XXXXXX>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525667C.004BE4C1 ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:48:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:49:40 -0400 Subject: RE: Parking Ticket To: Alex Milenkovic Cc: "Tobias, Robert" , DC Cycles Message-id: <8525667C.004BD982.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I think he caught the irony ... Robert is right, however, and it sucks. This is how they get you. Let's say that it's a $20 fine. Is twenty bucks really worth your time off work and the hassle of going down there and making a point of it? If so, go for it. But even when I lived in DC, I usually did mail order adjudication, or just payed it and let it go. Sure, I wish I could run down there and take on the ticket bureau, but it is sometimes just not feasible. --chris PS. You could also e-mail Dr. Gridlock ... To: "Tobias, Robert" cc: "'khafre@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles From: Alex Milenkovic Date: 09/11/98 01:18:53 PM GMT Subject: RE: Parking Ticket On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Tobias, Robert wrote: > 1) If you go to the Adjudication Office you're talking about 4 hours > out of your life and you still might wind up having to return to see a > judge. Is the cost of the ticket (and the and the ever-present > principle) worth it? > > 2) If you do go, you probably shouldn't mention the part about not > having paid the meter... > I think you are missing the funny part. He was on a _motorcycle_ and got a ticket for "Parking in a motorcycle only parking space." See the irony? Alex. '94 VFR 750 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:53:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23081 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29702 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04594 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zHTd5-0001tB-01; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:52:52 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:51:32 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A252@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , Kirk Roy , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Voting for logos Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:49:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I was talking about the same thing last night. I had to rush out after work & head to the doctor's, then I was late meeting Tom so I busted a*& getting home on the bike & made it on time. I was thinking what DRUDGERY it used to be to drive my car. I never drive it anymore. I really hate driving. Riding, however, I love. Thank god for my bike! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 4:39 PM > To: Kirk Roy; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: Voting for logos > > > It's hard to imagine myself now without a motorcyle (or 4) to play > around with. And I've only been riding street bikes for a couple > of years. I must say the last couple of years have been the > happiest of my adult life. Coincidence? Of course! ;) > > Keep on riding, Everyone! > > Horkster > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:55:29 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23096 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809111355.JAA23096@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABCA122102B6; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:55:22 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:54:43 -0400 To: khafre@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Parking Ticket In-Reply-To: <35F87064.1DC1327C@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:35 PM 9/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >I rode my bike to work today ... >The ticket was not for an >expired meter but for "PARKING IN A MOTORCYCLE ONLY PARKING SPACE". Ha ha ha! Well, it might be a job for a totally unskilled person, or maybe the ticket-writer just made a mistake. But, hey, they're GOOD at it! Personally, I wouldn't waste time going to the adjudication office and sitting with the teeming masses. Photocopy your registration with the plate number and "motorcycle" highlighted, and do the "adjudicate by mail" routine. Law? What law? There is no law in DC. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:55:29 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23097 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809111355.JAA23097@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABCB122102B6; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:55:23 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:57:18 -0400 To: "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC DMV OK In-Reply-To: <011001bddd30$a864f800$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:02 PM 9/10/98 -0400, mobacc wrote: >To D Street DMV. At least two new digital parking meters in front not >working, where I park. Get the meter number (preferred) or the exact location and report it to 541-6030. The contractor is still responsible for the parking meters, and is contractually required to keep a certain percentage working at all times (obligatory smile at wondering what that percentage is!). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:55:34 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23098 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809111355.JAA23098@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABC0122102B6; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:55:12 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:18:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Irelandl Touring Directory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: owner-fema-info@XXXXXX >Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:37:45 -0400 >From: Simon Milward >Reply-To: Simon Milward >Subject: PR0998:MAG Irl Touring Directory >To: !FEMA INFO - news > >News > >10 September 1998 > > >MAG Ireland puts touring directory on Internet > >18 months ago MAG Ireland pioneered the first-ever >Motorcyclists Touring Directory covering all of Ireland. > >This directory lists 'motorcyclist friendly' >accommodation; Bed & Breakfast establishments, >hostels and campsites. > >It also lists bike shops, detailing services available >such as breakdown facilities. The directory is updated >and published quarterly within the covers of MAG >Ireland's "Roadrunner" magazine. > >Now, innovative as ever, MAG Ireland has put the entire >listing on its webpage. Planning a visit to Ireland? >Go to: > >http://dredd.meng.ucl.ac.uk/www/mag/irl/touring.html > >Further info: Contact: >John Wheeler >General Secretary, MAG IRELAND >PO Box 4491, Dublin 1. Ireland >Tel: 01 453 0797 Fax: 01 453 3643 >Mobile: 086 813 9033 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 09:59:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23198 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29813 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com (known [208.138.226.5] [208.138.226.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04779 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:57:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Voting for logos Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:57:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain There used to be a place in/near Crystal City that'd rent big bucks cars for the day or the week. Haven't been down there for a few years, so they may be gone by now. Never went inside, so I've got no idea the costs involved. -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 11, 1998 9:35 AM > To: 'George Howell'; Dale Horstman; Kirk Roy; DC Cycles List > Subject: RE: Voting for logos > > > Speaking of Vipers, does anyone know where/if you can lease > one for the > day? > Tom & I would LOVE to have a viper for our wedding. : ) > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 10:01:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23291 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29858 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04831 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:02:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:02:33 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Logo Advice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I got some expert advice from the graphics department here at my company = regarding the proposed logos. I brought up the site and let them take a = look. All of them agreed that either 1B or 4 would make the best logo as = far as t-shirts, stickers and patches go. They also agreed that the last = couple would work also, but with a thinner border. They also commented on how well all of the entries were created and asked = if any were professionally done. So, everyone who submitted an entry, I = would take that as a great compliment from a bunch of professionals who do = that type of work everyday. just my .02 Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 10:05:21 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23646 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809111405.KAA23646@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AE1D11830362; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:05:17 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:09:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Congress Passes Americans With No Abilities Act Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After reading about the ticket for parking a motorcycle in a a motorcycle spot, I thought of this article, in the incomparable The Onion ... read it. http://www.theonion.com/onion3324/noabilities.html Got a ticket for parking more than 1 hr. in a 12 hr. zone, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 10:18:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24094 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00071 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05418 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.53]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:14:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "Dale Horstman" , "Kirk Roy" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Voting for logos Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:14:35 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bddd8e$80db6b80$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A24D@BADGE> Probably. When my sister was engaged, my brother and I were looking into renting a ferrari and a porsche. There's some places in Fl. that rent them. You might be able to get them in NJ or NY. They are available. I just don't know where. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 10:28:05 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24534 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.53]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:14:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: '98 Fat Boy Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bddd8e$800a5fe0$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Great! I think I can get out of work for a few hours on Monday. And you can let us sit on it, since that's about the only way:) (All other HDs are sold, so you can't try 'em out:) Should I show on the ultimate Rat wing (half of the panels are now pulled apart and being sanded in my apartment)? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil M. Nissley [mailto:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:04 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FS:'98 Fat Boy > > > > For sale:'98 Fat Boy,black in color,less than 100mi.Will be available > Sept 14.Call 703-979-6251. ;-) > > > Seriously folks,the date for me to pick up the Harley has been moved up > to Mon(@ 1pm at Wash DC HD/Clinton Cycles).I'd like to invite all the > listers to attend.I think it would be just too cool if there were more > imports than Harleys at this event.Wash HD has cookouts every weekend > during the summer,so I assume they should have eats for this too. > Oh and if anyone knows someone looking for a Fat Boy,this one goes on > sale right after I pick it up. > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 Fat Boy (Sept 14!) > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 10:53:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25612 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00565 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (known x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07032 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jeep.guy@XXXXXX) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNVFKG6J; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:53:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JOE NAGY '98 Fat Boy -Reply Message-ID: <19980910.153510.9575.3.jeep.guy@juno.com> References: <19980910.145939.8063.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,14 From: jeep.guy@XXXXXX (Erik von Darkmoor) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:53:16 EDT >Gil, > >Don't forget to bolt a chrome sissy bar to the Boy and put leather >tassles on the handlebars so you can ask $5000 over list for it. >Everyone else does. > >Joe >'85 Ninja, '68 FLH, '72 Sprint, '79 RD > >--------- End forwarded message ---------- Yeah, and make sure the tassles are nice and long so they whip the new owner's arms up to the shoulders as he/she cruises down the highway in a sleeveless beer-theme muscle shirt and goofy Sgt. 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 11:47:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28179 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02062 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f118.hotmail.com [207.82.251.44]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11538 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1469 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1998 15:47:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19980911154721.1468.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.147.79 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:47:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.172.147.79] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride for Kids Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:47:21 PDT On Sunday a few riders will be meeting on the left side of the sign up booth at 9:00a.m. Dan Kenney RED 97 Suzuki TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 11:50:49 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28256 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: My neighbor went down. Hard Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:48:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Just found out that my next door neighbor crashed his bike Monday. He was driving up 95 North into DC on Monday, sitting in some lady's blind spot, and she decided that she wanted his lane. Smacked him hard, totalled his 6 month old Harley. He apparently slid/rolled to a stop in the fast lane. John's a macho guy (ex-marine/FBI guy), and big into the Harley mystique. No MSF course, likes riding in a t-shirt and a beanie. No broken bones, thankfully, already at home, but a lot of road rash. Hope his face is alright. Maybe he actually wore his full face helmet this time, but I doubt it. I guess being big, being on a big bike, and being tough doesn't keep you from not being seen. Obvious reality check. My wife was a little annoyed that I took money out of savings to buy a mc-quality leather jacket. She's less annoyed now. Mark '83 V65 Magna p.s. Thanks to the list at large in convincing me that getting and always wearing a decent jacket wasn't an option, but a neccessity. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 12:06:36 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28797 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA23421; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:06:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980911160600.ZEVD618@XXXXXX>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:06:00 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mark Petty" , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: My neighbor went down. Hard Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bddd9e$02315280$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mark Petty wrote: > Just found out that my next door neighbor crashed his bike Monday. He > was driving up 95 North into DC on Monday, sitting in some lady's blind > spot, and she decided that she wanted his lane. Smacked him hard, > totalled his 6 month old Harley. > > He apparently slid/rolled to a stop in the fast lane. > egads! This just makes me cringe. Hope he's ok after all. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 12:20:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29643 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03471 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12899 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA17251 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:20:31 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:20:31 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8BA1@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: My neighbor went down. Hard Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:22:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Just found out that my next door neighbor crashed his bike Monday. He > was driving up 95 North into DC on Monday, sitting in some > lady's blind > spot, and she decided that she wanted his lane. Smacked him hard, > totalled his 6 month old Harley. I do NOT sit in the blind spot if there is any alternative - I prefer to throttle up a bit, but will throttle down if necessary. I heard that the CHP did a study a few years ago for their MC officers and found that they were safer when going slightly faster than traffic (the operative word here is "slightly"). This put them in the position of being in control of the situation as opposed to being constantly overtaken - it also addresses the problem above. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 12:31:59 1998 Return-Path: RTOBIAS@XXXXXX Received: from csnt1s.imf.org (csnt1s.imf.org [134.113.4.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00236 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by csnt1s.imf.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:32:03 -0400 Message-ID: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9E0@mlnt1s.imf.org> From: "Tobias, Robert" To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" , Alex Milenkovic Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Parking Ticket Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:32:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks Chris, I did catch the irony, subtle though it may have been. Mail Adjudication is a brilliant suggestion. The plate number identifies the vehicle as a bike. Sending that in along with a copy of the registration showing that the plate number was written correctly should be sufficient to get a positive ruling. On Friday, September 11, 1998 9:50 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > I think he caught the irony ... > > Robert is right, however, and it sucks. This is how they get you. Let's > say that it's a $20 fine. Is twenty bucks really worth your time off work > and the hassle of going down there and making a point of it? If so, go for > it. But even when I lived in DC, I usually did mail order adjudication, or > just payed it and let it go. > > Sure, I wish I could run down there and take on the ticket bureau, but it > is sometimes just not feasible. > > --chris > > PS. You could also e-mail Dr. Gridlock ... > > > To: "Tobias, Robert" > cc: "'khafre@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles > > From: Alex Milenkovic > Date: 09/11/98 01:18:53 PM GMT > Subject: RE: Parking Ticket > > > > > On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Tobias, Robert wrote: > > > 1) If you go to the Adjudication Office you're talking about 4 hours > > out of your life and you still might wind up having to return to see a > > judge. Is the cost of the ticket (and the and the ever-present > > principle) worth it? > > > > 2) If you do go, you probably shouldn't mention the part about not > > having paid the meter... > > > > I think you are missing the funny part. He was on a _motorcycle_ and > got a ticket for "Parking in a motorcycle only parking space." See > the irony? > > Alex. > '94 VFR 750 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 13:09:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01765 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05102 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stmpy.cais.net (known stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15241 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic76.cais.com [207.226.56.76]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA24510 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980911130826.006dde34@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:08:26 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: RE:Our addiction was (Voting for logos) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A252@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ahhh! The sweet sounds of fellow addicts ;-) At 09:49 AM 9/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >I was talking about the same thing last night. I had to rush out after >work & head to the doctor's, then I was late meeting Tom so I busted a*& >getting home on the bike & made it on time. I was thinking what >DRUDGERY it used to be to drive my car. I never drive it anymore. I >really hate driving. Riding, however, I love. Thank god for my bike! > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 4:39 PM >> To: Kirk Roy; DC Cycles List >> Subject: Re: Voting for logos >> >> >> It's hard to imagine myself now without a motorcyle (or 4) to play >> around with. And I've only been riding street bikes for a couple >> of years. I must say the last couple of years have been the >> happiest of my adult life. Coincidence? Of course! ;) >> >> Keep on riding, Everyone! >> >> Horkster >> >> >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >> horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here >> who think I am normal!" - Me >> >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > Mike B. 98 ZX900R I believe the only time the world beats a path to my door is when I'm in the bathroom. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 13:16:51 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02222 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNVPNYC3; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:14:58 EDT To: RTOBIAS@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking Ticket Message-ID: <19980910.175039.7935.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9E0@mlnt1s.imf.org> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-9,11-95 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:14:58 EDT I've got two words for the offending DC Parking Enforcement representative: MO RON That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:32:01 -0400 "Tobias, Robert" writes: >Thanks Chris, I did catch the irony, subtle though it may have been. >Mail Adjudication is a brilliant suggestion. The plate number >identifies the vehicle as a bike. Sending that in along with a copy >of >the registration showing that the plate number was written correctly >should be sufficient to get a positive ruling. > >On Friday, September 11, 1998 9:50 AM, >christopher.meier@XXXXXX >[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: >> I think he caught the irony ... >> >> Robert is right, however, and it sucks. This is how they get you. >Let's >> say that it's a $20 fine. Is twenty bucks really worth your time >off >work >> and the hassle of going down there and making a point of it? If so, >go for >> it. But even when I lived in DC, I usually did mail order >adjudication, or >> just payed it and let it go. >> >> Sure, I wish I could run down there and take on the ticket bureau, >but >it >> is sometimes just not feasible. >> >> --chris >> >> PS. You could also e-mail Dr. Gridlock ... >> >> >> To: "Tobias, Robert" >> cc: "'khafre@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles >> >> From: Alex Milenkovic >> Date: 09/11/98 01:18:53 PM GMT >> Subject: RE: Parking Ticket >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Tobias, Robert wrote: >> >> > 1) If you go to the Adjudication Office you're talking about 4 >hours >> > out of your life and you still might wind up having to return to >see >a >> > judge. Is the cost of the ticket (and the and the ever-present >> > principle) worth it? >> > >> > 2) If you do go, you probably shouldn't mention the part about >not >> > having paid the meter... >> > >> >> I think you are missing the funny part. He was on a _motorcycle_ and >> got a ticket for "Parking in a motorcycle only parking space." See >> the irony? >> >> Alex. >> '94 VFR 750 >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or >entity >to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use >of, >or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons >or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material >from >any >> computer. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 13:24:36 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02604 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809111724.NAA02604@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACD0B75029E; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:24:32 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:28:07 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Parking Ticket In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9E0@mlnt1s.imf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:32 PM 9/11/98 -0400, Tobias, Robert wrote: >Thanks Chris, I did catch the irony, subtle though it may have been. >Mail Adjudication is a brilliant suggestion. The plate number >identifies the vehicle as a bike. Sending that in along with a copy of >the registration showing that the plate number was written correctly >should be sufficient to get a positive ruling. Ha ha ha! Not in DC. But's it all you can do, so what the heck. The last time I talked with them about my January ticket for parking over an hour in a 12 hour zone, they said they needed more information. Like they don't know anything about their parking laws! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 13:24:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02607 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05404 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16400 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809111724.NAA16400@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACCCB75029E; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:24:31 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:25:40 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: My neighbor went down. Hard In-Reply-To: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8BA1@sw730x023.visa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Just found out that my next door neighbor crashed his bike Monday. He >> was driving up 95 North into DC on Monday, sitting in some >> lady's blind >> spot, and she decided that she wanted his lane. Smacked him hard, >> totalled his 6 month old Harley. > >I do NOT sit in the blind spot if there is any alternative - I prefer to >throttle up a bit, but will throttle down if necessary. >Michael J. Sounds like he was not only in her blind spot, but he was where he could get hit -- that's a double whammy. I work very hard to stay in front of or behind cars - if they do a sudden lane change I don't want to be in the way. An interesting thing about this is that if I try to stay behind the car in front and ahead of the car behind (the cars that are in the next lane over, that is) - there's times I swear there's just barely enough room between the cars. That is, those cars are separated by only about 8 ft. (the length of my bike). So I'm in a position where it's harder to hit me, but I'm in or close to a blind spot of the driver in the front car. riding in a Mad Max world, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 13:56:02 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03937 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980911175545.17482.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send104.yahoomail.com; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:55:45 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: My neighbor went down. Hard To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can we get a big "AMEN"...... I am a fan of this type of traffic strategy as well, it not only puts you in control, but keeps you moving up in the traffic stream. The keywords here seem to be "slightly" faster, to much and then you are noticabely going faster... ---"Jordan, Michael" wrote: > > I heard that the CHP did a study a few years ago for their MC officers and > found that they were safer when going slightly faster than traffic (the > operative word here is "slightly"). > > This put them in the position of being in control of the situation as > opposed to being constantly overtaken - it also addresses the problem above. > > Michael J. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 14:01:17 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04113 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA22061; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980911180008.DOV618@XXXXXX>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:00:08 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Tobias, Robert" , , "Alex Milenkovic" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Parking Ticket Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:59:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdddad$f415ec00$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9E0@mlnt1s.imf.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hmmm. I know where this particular parking area is as I parked there for around 3 years. It is possible that some cager parked on top of one or more of the moto-only parking spaces, got the ticket, and then removed it to (Roberts ?) bike. Check the plate # written. This last post got me thinking about this. Definitely check the plate number written. If the above scenario occurred, chuck the ticket. Todd > Thanks Chris, I did catch the irony, subtle though it may have been. > Mail Adjudication is a brilliant suggestion. The plate number > identifies the vehicle as a bike. Sending that in along with a copy of > the registration showing that the plate number was written correctly > should be sufficient to get a positive ruling. > > On Friday, September 11, 1998 9:50 AM, > christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > > I think he caught the irony ... > > > > Robert is right, however, and it sucks. This is how they get you. > Let's > > say that it's a $20 fine. Is twenty bucks really worth your time off > work > > and the hassle of going down there and making a point of it? If so, > go for > > it. But even when I lived in DC, I usually did mail order > adjudication, or > > just payed it and let it go. > > > > Sure, I wish I could run down there and take on the ticket bureau, but > it > > is sometimes just not feasible. > > > > --chris > > > > PS. You could also e-mail Dr. Gridlock ... > > > > > > To: "Tobias, Robert" > > cc: "'khafre@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles > > > > From: Alex Milenkovic > > Date: 09/11/98 01:18:53 PM GMT > > Subject: RE: Parking Ticket > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Tobias, Robert wrote: > > > > > 1) If you go to the Adjudication Office you're talking about 4 > hours > > > out of your life and you still might wind up having to return to see > a > > > judge. Is the cost of the ticket (and the and the ever-present > > > principle) worth it? > > > > > > 2) If you do go, you probably shouldn't mention the part about not > > > having paid the meter... > > > > > > > I think you are missing the funny part. He was on a _motorcycle_ and > > got a ticket for "Parking in a motorcycle only parking space." See > > the irony? > > > > Alex. > > '94 VFR 750 > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > to > > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, > or > > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from > any > > computer. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 14:25:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05364 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06652 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19980 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNVTM6NA; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:24:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Blind spots Message-ID: <19980910.190015.6351.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,10-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:24:26 EDT I always try to follow the CHP guidelines to stay slightly above the average speed of traffic around me and to keep moving through it rather than sitting within striking distance of any cars. On the highway, I find this is pretty easy and it makes for a pretty satisfying ride ("I'm making better time than YOU are...nyah") without drawing much attention from the VSP. About 10% faster than those around me is good, in my opinion. In town, I find this is more difficult to do without looking like a squid because there's a lot less room to maneuver. For some reason, I think I look more guilty of violations if I try to do it in city traffic. That's my 2 pennies worth...What do y'all think? --Bikes R Us-- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 14:50:39 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06379 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809111850.OAA06379@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0F946401EA; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:50:33 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:52:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: My neighbor went down. Hard In-Reply-To: <19980911175545.17482.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:55 AM 9/11/98 -0700, Craig wrote: >Can we get a big "AMEN"...... > >I am a fan of this type of traffic strategy as well, it not only puts >you in control, but keeps you moving up in the traffic stream. > >The keywords here seem to be "slightly" faster, to much and then you >are noticabely going faster... I find that works well in dry, daylight conditions. However in dark or rain, the cagers drive much too fast for me and still tailgate as badly as they do in the daylight. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 14:50:39 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06380 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809111850.OAA06380@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0FA46401EA; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:50:34 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:53:56 -0400 To: "Todd Peer" , "Tobias, Robert" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Parking Ticket Cc: "DC Cycles" In-Reply-To: <000001bdddad$f415ec00$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> References: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9E0@mlnt1s.imf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:59 PM 9/11/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >Hmmm. I know where this particular parking area is as I parked there for >around 3 years. It is possible that some cager parked on top of one or >more of the moto-only parking spaces, got the ticket, and then removed it >to (Roberts ?) bike. Check the plate # written. > >This last post got me thinking about this. Definitely check the plate >number written. If the above scenario occurred, chuck the ticket. Good call! That's a very good possibility. Sure would hate to pay someone else's ticket! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 16:07:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09690 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09582 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26035 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:07:50 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WDTHa02819 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a717e56.35f982d3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Parking Ticket -plate stuff Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/11/98 2:56:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << >This last post got me thinking about this. Definitely check the plate >number written. If the above scenario occurred, chuck the ticket. << Good call! That's a very good possibility. Sure would hate to pay someone else's ticket! >> No dont chuck it, go to the adjudication office and tell them about it. I bet they issue another citation to that vehicles owner for trying to fraud someone else into paying the ticket. That'll teach em.... Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 18:05:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15218 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12977 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01403 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.58]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:02:09 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Subject: RE: Blind spots Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:01:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdddcf$bff4c460$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19980910.190015.6351.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> That depending on my mood, load, and bike, I might go 10% slower than the rest of the traffic. Guard my lane, of course. Best choice of action (for trips, not as good for commuting) is to stay between the 'pockets' of traffic. Get in front of the first one, but don't go so fast as to join the second pocket. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > That's my 2 pennies worth...What do y'all think? From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 18:21:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15769 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13191 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01998 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:21:40 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 5HSLa27969; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8929e59.35f9a239@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:20:41 EDT To: SRUSH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Logo Advice Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Could someone post the logo website again - I want to look (being an art director and all......... ;D ) Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 18:38:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16529 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13375 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02528 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 189; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:37:09 -0400 Message-ID: <35F9A635.C4631BFA@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:37:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: My neighbor went down. Hard References: <199809111724.NAA16400@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff quite accurately observed: > > An interesting thing about this is that if I try to stay behind the car in > front and ahead of the car behind (the cars that are in the next lane over, > that is) - there's times I swear there's just barely enough room between > the cars. That is, those cars are separated by only about 8 ft. (the > length of my bike). Whatever happened to that 3-second rule we were taught about following distances at highway speeds? That is, be able to count "one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three" from the time the cage in front of you passes a fixed object, and when your vehicle passes the same object. Sigh. I know, traffic around here just won't allow it. Leave a car sized gap between you and the vehicle in front of you, and a "car sized" vehicle will try to move into it. I made the grave mistake of leaving about a two car length gap in front of me once when I was in the cage traveling I295 to Baltimore. We were in bumper to bumper (more or less) traffic rolling along at 85 mph or so, (! I should have slowed down, but I was stuck in the left lane.) I felt way too close to the car in front, but held my position in the hopes that I'd get past this knot of traffic. Imagine my surprise when this lady in a nice new Rodeo moves out from behind me and PASSES ME ON THE LEFT SHOULDER (to this day I can't believe she did it) to jump into that huge, insufferable gap I'd left in front of me. And she wasn't really in a hurry. I passed her later at a more sedate 70-75 after traffic had broken up a little bit. Maybe she just didn't like gaps in traffic, or something. I also find it extremely weird when cars tend to bunch up on rural roads and highways. All that room to spread around in, and they are still hugging each other's bumpers, like a pack of sheep or something. Me, I'm happy being a lone wolf. Safer that way. > riding in a Mad Max world, Nice movie, but too realistic. Especially if you ride or drive much around here. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 21:25:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23423 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16452 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07657 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:25:25 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA14041; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809120123.VAA14041@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: My neighbor went down. Hard To: Horkster@XXXXXX (Dale Horstman) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35F9A635.C4631BFA@tidalwave.net> from "Dale Horstman" at Sep 11, 98 06:37:41 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > riding in a Mad Max world, > > Nice movie, but too realistic. Especially if you ride or drive > much around here. :) > Right. Went to pick up a tank bag from Arlington. On the way east I was run off the road once, by a Bronco - on Tyson's Corner. He just decided to move into right lane, despite my hron etc. Luckilly it was 200 yards befroe 495 exit joins 7, so I drifted right and rode concrete to the point where lanes joins together. About a milke later, andother cager tried same thing, but backed off. Scary. > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 22:27:46 1998 Return-Path: khafre@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25963 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-113-231.s231.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.231]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12577; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F9DB22.430BFBD4@erols.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:23:30 -0400 From: "John A. Wilson" Reply-To: khafre@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: Todd Peer , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Parking Ticket References: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9E0@mlnt1s.imf.org> <199809111850.OAA06380@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The plate number matches. I considered doing the adjudication by mail, but I don't trust them to get it right. The violation is only $20 but its the principle of matter. I wont be missing out on work because I'm starting new job the 21st and I'm using the week of the 14th just to bum around so I have the time to spare. Besides it could be fun acting irate. John Chris Norloff wrote: > At 01:59 PM 9/11/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >Hmmm. I know where this particular parking area is as I parked there for > >around 3 years. It is possible that some cager parked on top of one or > >more of the moto-only parking spaces, got the ticket, and then removed it > >to (Roberts ?) bike. Check the plate # written. > > > >This last post got me thinking about this. Definitely check the plate > >number written. If the above scenario occurred, chuck the ticket. > > Good call! That's a very good possibility. Sure would hate to pay someone > else's ticket! > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 23:36:47 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA28614 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15490; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:32:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:27:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: My neighbor went down. Hard To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > Hope > his face is alright. Maybe he actually wore his full face helmet this > time, but I doubt it. One of the ladies from the Harley list went down last weekend on some gravel.She had an open-face w/a faceshield which luckily took the brunt of the scraping.She only got some scratches on her chin.I think I've managed to talk her into a full-face now. Come to think of it,this is what got me to wear a full-face.I flipped my V30 and gouged up the faceshield of my 3/4 bad.Before riding again, I replaced it with a full-face. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 14!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 23:38:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28895 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17730 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11216 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15498; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:34:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:33:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Logo Advice To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: SRUSH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8929e59.35f9a239@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > Could someone post the logo website again - I want to look (being an art > director and all......... ;D ) http://www.dc-cycles.org The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 14!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 11 23:42:26 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA28992 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15522; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:38:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:34:20 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: My neighbor went down. Hard To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35F9A635.C4631BFA@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > I also find it extremely weird when cars tend to bunch up on rural > roads and highways. All that room to spread around in, and > they are still hugging each other's bumpers, like a pack of sheep or > something. Heh.Remember that Battlestar Gallactica series where they find Earth and they're looking at pictures from TV?They see a group of cars clumped together on the freeway and one of them says,"wow,it must take them years of practice to stay in formation like that". ;-) (and wouldn't it be cool to have one of those flying bikes?) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 14!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 12 00:13:59 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA00401 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr23-dialup53.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EZ500L9QL24UY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:13:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:10:03 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: My neighbor went down. Hard To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00de01bdde1c$5e118920$b54837a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Gil wrote: > Heh.Remember that Battlestar Gallactica series where they find Earth >and they're looking at pictures from TV?They see a group of cars clumped >together on the freeway and one of them says,"wow,it must take them years >of practice to stay in formation like that". ;-) > (and wouldn't it be cool to have one of those flying bikes?) Yes! I thought I was the only one who watched Battlestar Gallactica! I wonder what the power to weight ratio was on those flying bikes? I use to think Sheba was hot.......... 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 12 01:46:31 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04213 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.53]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:33:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jon S." , Subject: RE: My neighbor went down. Hard Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:32:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdde0e$ca7dea80$650000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00de01bdde1c$5e118920$b54837a6@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Uhh, I think we're referring to Gallactica 1980, and not the 'original' series. And yes, she was hot. (Although, it wasn't until well past the tender age of seven (my age when this first aired) that I realized that. At seven, I was more interested in the flying bikes:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Gil wrote: > > Heh.Remember that Battlestar Gallactica series where they find Earth > >and they're looking at pictures from TV?They see a group of cars clumped > >together on the freeway and one of them says,"wow,it must take them years > >of practice to stay in formation like that". ;-) > > (and wouldn't it be cool to have one of those flying bikes?) > > > Yes! I thought I was the only one who watched Battlestar > Gallactica! I > wonder what the power to weight ratio was on those flying bikes? I use to > think Sheba was hot.......... 8^) > > Jon > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 12 03:39:55 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA09448 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA16692; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:36:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:33:08 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: My neighbor went down. Hard To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00de01bdde1c$5e118920$b54837a6@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Jon S. wrote: > Yes! I thought I was the only one who watched Battlestar Gallactica! I > wonder what the power to weight ratio was on those flying bikes? I use to > think Sheba was hot.......... 8^) Those jackets the warriors wore were cool too.I remember an add for them in one of the sci-fi mags back when the original series came out. And I always liked Athena. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (Sept 14!) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 12 07:38:54 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21510 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA17691 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:38:48 -0400 Message-ID: <01f101bdde41$c6809d00$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Lucifer takes another soul Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:34:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Can there be any...other...explanation than a pact with the devil for this senseless accident? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/digest/local4.htm (and on TV last night) (A volunteer firefighter and medical technician, 26, crashes his motorcycle (speed, alcohol) after being taken home from his volunteer-drinker training-subject role at a police training facility.) A new category for Hurt-like reports. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Past most childhood diseases Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 12 12:16:44 1998 Return-Path: canary@XXXXXX Received: from psasolar.psa.pencom.com (psasolar.colltech.com [208.229.236.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02731 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rommel (user-37kbm5s.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.216.188]) by psasolar.psa.pencom.com (VER/What/1.0) with SMTP id LAA23103; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:16:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001e01bdde68$9a9eb7e0$0303050a@rommel> From: "Joshua Canary" To: "Jon S." , Subject: Re: My neighbor went down. Hard Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:15:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Mmmmm, Anne Lockhart. Her career certainly took off! jfc > > I use to think Sheba was hot.......... 8^) > >Jon > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 12 19:45:48 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20910 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr52-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EZ70038Z3B43M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:45:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:41:50 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Battlestar Gallactica To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002401bddec0$104534e0$d54f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Uhh, I think we're referring to Gallactica 1980, and not the 'original' >series. > >And yes, she was hot. (Although, it wasn't until well past the tender age of >seven (my age when this first aired) that I realized that. At seven, I was >more interested in the flying bikes:) > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell Wow, I didn't know that there was another Gallactica before the 80's series. Was it any good? I wish A&E would have that 80's series on tape, I'd buy them. Speaking of 80's series shows, I catch that show "V" every once in a while. Forgot how much I use to love that one. Jon From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 12 19:51:58 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21260 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr52-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EZ7003HR3LN3M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:51:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:48:09 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: My neighbor went down. Hard To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002701bddec0$f2321ee0$d54f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Gil wrote: > Those jackets the warriors wore were cool too.I remember an add for them >in one of the sci-fi mags back when the original series came out. > And I always liked Athena. ;-) Yeah, I especially liked when they wore the white jackets. I always wanted one of those Egyptian looking helmets they wore in the fighter jets. How about those outfits they had when they played that game(forgot what they called it) that kinda looked like basketball with holes in the wall for baskets. Athena.......was she the blonde? Sheba just looked too good in those tight pants....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 12 19:55:26 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21273 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr52-dialup21.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EZ7001IW3RF9R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:54:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:51:37 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: My neighbor went down. Hard To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002c01bddec1$6dd0d960$d54f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Mmmmm, Anne Lockhart. Her career certainly took off! > >jfc Wow, you remember her name! If you think about it, who's career took off from that show anyway. Starbuck? Oooooo he did the "A-Team". Lorene Green was already an established actor. Jon From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 12 23:35:33 1998 Return-Path: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00396 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:35:31 -0400 (EDT) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id LISSa10123 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:34:41 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:34:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/12/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Someone on dc-cycles writes: << > I also find it extremely weird when cars tend to bunch up on rural > roads and highways. All that room to spread around in, and > they are still hugging each other's bumpers, like a pack of sheep or > something. >> When I lived in the cursed land of New Jersey, this was called the "Rolling Buttplug," a term that originated in the State Police practice of multiple cars riding abreast, in all lanes of any given highway, at exactly 55. Only bikers had the power to break the plug ... and the temptation was maddening. HCM From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 03:33:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA10606 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08302 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09991 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:33:29 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WILKa08191 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:32:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Teeny Weeny Little Header Problem Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 IT BROKE!!!!! I think this is a new one for TL-dom. I was riding home at about 2:30 this morning and hit a particularily rough stretch of road at a high speed (relatively speaking). A few seconds later I notice that the TL "SOUNDS" different. Hmmm, what the hell is that? I pull over and looked at my right side pipe thinking I had lost a bolt to the can or something. Imagine my surprise when I saw that the part of the header where the weld is right before the can was completely broken off!! The can was hanging there by the peg mount! So in order to make the best of the situation, I always wanted to hear a TL without cans so I cranked her up and revved it a few times. Now THATS what I want it to sound like all the time! Reminded me a bit of the Harley sound just softer. I was impressed. But I was thinking that the local law enforcement prolly would NOT be impressed at 3am with my TL blaring down the road. I could not do a cob job to secure it in the meantime so I rode home in 6th gear the whole way. My factory warranty expires on the 15th so good timing (I do have the extended one too). Plus I was wanting new headers since mine have become all yellow and stuff from where the paint has peeled off. I guess my question is, does anyone have any suggestions on how to secure it in the meantime while I wait for the new header? Isnt there some kind of special heat resistant tape for this kind of thing? By the way, its the stock header and can. Thanks a bunch!! Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 13:13:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04977 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13340 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14272 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr31-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EZ800D80FTDMC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:12:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:09:34 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Teeny Weeny Little Header Problem To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001601bddf52$6dee7ba0$974a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 > I guess my question is, does anyone have any suggestions on how to >secure it in the meantime while I wait for the new header? Isnt there some >kind of special heat resistant tape for this kind of thing? By the way, its >the stock header and can. >Thanks a bunch!! > >Jack Track Auto has some of that tape in the exhaust section. I used it one time to seal up a hole in my tailpipe. Jon From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 15:44:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11225 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14831 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16628 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:44:32 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 6INQa28984; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d872054.35fc204f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:43:11 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Yosh number Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Anyone have the number for Yoshimura R&D? Ive been to their website, and found some parts, but on the price list, there is no listing. and no phone number to call. Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 17:26:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15295 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15959 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18636 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:26:32 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WTEJa27969 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <69ebefdf.35fc384b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:25:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I know we had this thread a couple weeks ago, but... I was riding up I270 earlier today when I noticed a squid on a CBVFZX167890 coming up fast from behind, weaving thru the traffic. He cut over in front of me with a car in front of him. I knew he would go for it as soon as the car moved, so I got up close to him to see if I could keep pace. Well, sure enough, as soon as the car was clear of the HOV lane, he wacked it and laid down on his tank. I followed suit, but didn't lay down (ever try to lay on the tank of a Shadow?). Surprisingly he didn't dust me. Instead, he topped out at 100MPH even. He kept checking his side view every couple seconds. I'm not sure if he was dissappointed that I was still with him or checking for cops. Finally, I gathered my senses (saw a State Trooper heading the other way), passed him and a truck to my right, cut over when safe and slowed down and exitted onto the Local Lanes and finally onto 355N. I doubt the police would have seen any humor in seeing my cruiser steaming down behind this guy, my only explanation being that "I wanted to see if I could keep up." Have fun and ride safe! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 17:47:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16211 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16120 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18917 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WCFJa20020; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <72854155.35fc3d37@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:46:31 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/13/98 5:37:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << when I noticed a squid on a CBVFZX167890 coming up fast from behind, weaving thru the traffic. >> Hmmm, it could not have been me, I rode my Norton up 270 to Summit Point on Sunday. I did hit 100 with it a few times, but the handling characteristics are such that any weaving is purely incidental. On Saturday I rode the 98-ZX-9R so if any of you saw a "squid" (a 47 year old one) on a blue (yes blue!) ZX-9R weaving through traffic at a high rate of speed, it was me. Hell, if I want to take a leisurely drive I'll take my car. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 17:47:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16214 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16126 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18920 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:47:38 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WQEKa10121 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58a0903a.35fc3d4e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:46:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Too bad that wasnt me.......you would have been a speck in the rear view.....AHAHA Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 18:34:43 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18262 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA30965 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:30:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.44.172.6]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980913223023.WST18768@XXXXXX> for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:30:23 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:29:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01bddf66$0ae9e1c0$afac2ca6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <72854155.35fc3d37@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I can attest to the blueness of his ZX-9R. It's a fabulous electric blue of which I am jealous. When I get my pics back, I can share it with the list. Collin won at Summit Point - that's first place on Saturday. It was a good race with Collin working his way from the back and fighting it out with another bike. After he made his pass into first place, the former leader kept trying to regain his lead until he took an excursion off the track at turn 10. He came out ok, but the bike was not so ok. Jay St. Peter was also in the same race and did fine. Mazeltov, Collin and Jay. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. Fred said: On Saturday I rode the 98-ZX-9R so if any of you saw a "squid" (a 47 year old one) on a blue (yes blue!) ZX-9R weaving through traffic at a high rate of speed, it was me. Hell, if I want to take a leisurely drive I'll take my car. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 20:01:31 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21879 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:01:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WZNa003543; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2d5dff32.35fc5c20@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:58:24 EDT To: linda.tanner@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/13/98 6:41:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, linda.tanner@XXXXXX writes: << Collin won at Summit Point - that's first place on Saturday. >> Very nice race by the way. My "older" friends in vintage did well too. Unfortunately the Velocette and the Norton racing on Saturday had mechanical problems. The Velocette was, however, up front with the RD-350s (second i think) until he had electrical problems, that was amazing as was the Triumph Daytona which was keeping up with the fastest RD-350. The Norton racing (not mine) lost its primary belt, but it always has the best sound when it comes down the start/finish straight. The 250 Ducati took first in its class (it was the only pre-65 bike) so he had no competition but he was ahead of many in the supposedly faster class. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 21:23:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25344 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18127 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22421 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr49-dialup37.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EZ800D4TUK3M6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:31:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:27:59 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: The Squid inside To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000c01bddf7e$e99a0360$254f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Surprisingly he didn't dust me. Instead, he topped out at 100MPH even. >"I wanted to see if I could keep up." What the hell was he riding, a harley? Even a harley can do over 100mph. You shouldn't be so proud of yourself. >He kept checking his side view every couple seconds. I'm not sure if he >was >dissappointed that I was still with him or checking for cops. >Robert VanSlyke >83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" Probably wondering why that old upright, standard cruiser is trying to go triple digits. He was checking his mirrors to make sure you were ok. BTW, I know I'm not the only one sick of hearing about squid this and squid that. Some of you need to realize that there are different bikes for different riders/styles. Yours isn't better than anyone elses. Maybe some of us sportbike riders will start telling stories about smoking old guys on standard bikes, who try and keep up. It can go both ways. Jon From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 21:24:32 1998 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25354 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 3DYSa09043 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:23:11 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:23:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Voting for logos Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I couldn't agree more. There are some good logos on the page but some are better for certain applications than others. I don't see a reason why we can't incorporate a few entries into different areas. #10 is really cool but pretty complex. It would make a great web page background or web logo. One note, there is a major artery missing. Could Rt. 50 be added to the logo. #6 is great and quite comical. Probably good for advertising. The part I like most is the dcc circle with the name and web site address below it. This is simple enough to use as a general logo, its nondenominational with respect to type of bike, and its classy. #14 is also one I like. It is simple enough to use as a logo. It is however undoubtedly a sport bike and has a lot of colors. Just some thoughts. Thanks to everyone for taking time to create all entries. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 21:37:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25852 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18278 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22657 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:37:49 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 6GGWa16074; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:36:45 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:36:45 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Ellen Saurbrey and Motorcyclists Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_905737006_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905737006_boundary Content-ID: <0_905737006@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_905737006_boundary Content-ID: <0_905737006@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Return-path: Subject: Ellen Saurbrey and Motorcyclists Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:13:39 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit (This is a follow up message with more specific information concerning Ellen Sauerbrey's event on 19 Sept. Ellen Sauerbrey wants to meet with motorcyclists on Saturday, 19 September, 3:30 pm and have them be part of her motorcade from the Bank of Glen Burnie, in Crownsville, to the Anne Arundel County Fairgrounds. 3:30 - 4:00pm - Assemble at Bank 4:00 - 4:15pm - motorcade line up 4:15pm - escort Ellen to Fairground. DIRECTIONS TO THE BANK OF GLEN BURNIE IN CROWNSVILLE. >From Baltimore: Md Rt 97 South to Annapolis, exit 5 to Southbound General's Highway. 1/4mile after first traffic light. Bank is next to Texaco Station. >From Rt 50 Connecting Annapolis- DC: Take Exit 24, Bestgate Road north, to 178, Generals Highway. Turn north (right) on Generals highway. Go about 10 miles, to the 1200 hundred block and look for a Texaco Station. The bank is just past the station. FIRST 50 PEOPLE TO SHOW UP GET FREE REPEAL THE HELMET LAW T-SHIRTS. Info? Call Bill Gawthrop, 410-451-2610 or Gawthrop@XXXXXX SPREAD THE WORD, SEND EMAILS --part0_905737006_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 21:49:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26548 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18447 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22823 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:49:45 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WZSYa16074 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:49:07 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <83fa1b7a.35fc7613@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:49:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Squid Inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/13/98 9:35:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << BTW, I know I'm not the only one sick of hearing about squid this and squid that. Some of you need to realize that there are different bikes for different riders/styles. Yours isn't better than anyone elses. Maybe some of us sportbike riders will start telling stories about smoking old guys on standard bikes, who try and keep up. It can go both ways. Jon >> Jon, buddy... calm down, take deep breath. I feel the same way. but you know as much as I do, that voicing your opinion on this list will just result in weeks of list clutter. And I hate that just as much as I hate everyone feeling holier than thou. Keep it real... Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 22:02:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27048 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18606 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23049 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-38-77.s77.tnt8.ann.erols.com [207.172.38.77]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05485; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35FC795D.2F18CF84@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:03:09 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Teeny Weeny Little Header Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack, Go to the local auto parts store and pick up some JB weld, or Loctight Weld Stick. Or if you have military ties get some Belezona (sp??) The last stuff is deemed suitable for permanent repair per milspec! JB Weld should tide you ever just fine so long as you follow installation instructions and let it cure properly... WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: Isnt there some > kind of special heat resistant tape for this kind of thing? By the way, its > the stock header and can. > Thanks a bunch!! > > Jack -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 22:06:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27127 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18658 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23139 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:02:59 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jon S." , Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:02:35 -0400 Message-ID: <004601bddf83$bda10c40$2c80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01bddf7e$e99a0360$254f37a6@default> I think the humorous point is that up to 100, on I 270, what is the point of a torture rack? (Err, sport bike) Far too many poseurs in the area zipping up and down interstates and major roads on sport bikes. What's the point? Went to a BMWBMW meeting today in Fredericksburg. On a 17 year old Wing, I was perfectly comfy doing 80+ for extended time. And probably a lot more comfortable than the lad on the sport bike. Plus, I got the radio to listen to. Gone are the days of do it all bikes (with a small handful of exceptions. CB 750, F650, R850, and a few others) If you are going to ride a specialized bike, you may as well use it for its specialized purpose. Hauling ass down the interstate ain't the purpose of a sport bike. Conquering 40 Alt and many of WVa's fine roads is what the sport bike is for. > Maybe some > of us sportbike riders will start telling stories about smoking > old guys on > standard bikes, who try and keep up. It can go both ways. Only if Glenn gets to tell us stories about dusting guys on his Sabre (?). I'd really hate to follow him on the VFR800... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 22:13:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27476 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18723 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23326 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id EMAEa20006; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:12:51 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <9686e8c9.35fc7ba3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:12:51 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 wow...eeasy there Jon. I was not aiming to offend Squids, or whatever you care to be called. I wasn't trying to race, but I have taken my "old standard upright cruiser" (are you trying to say it's less capable than your bike?) into triple digits. My bike is very capable of speeds well enuf over 100mph. I'm not proud, and I'm not bragging. You completely missed the point of my mesage. It's this type of over-reaction that is slowly dividing the motorcycle community. The reason I matched speed with this guy is that I wanted to see how long I could stay with him. My old cruiser has some "get up and go" and I wanted to see how much it had with something decent to compare it too. I understand about preferences and all that. I don't condone nor condemn what, where, how, and what you wear when you ride. And don't call me old... I doubt you're younger than me!! Just settle down. I done't intend to offend, just stating the facts as I saw them. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 22:15:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27504 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18732 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23335 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:11:47 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Cc: Subject: RE: Teeny Weeny Little Header Problem Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:11:22 -0400 Message-ID: <004701bddf84$f7e1f620$2c80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35FC795D.2F18CF84@geocities.com> JB Weld is nifty stuff. Just be careful. I've used it a few times, and it is VERY hard to work with. Tougher than epoxy. It just sticks to everything. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 22:17:04 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27577 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-38-77.s77.tnt8.ann.erols.com [207.172.38.77]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09917; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35FC7C2E.1146B107@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:15:10 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Summit Racing was-->Re: The Squid inside References: <002d01bddf66$0ae9e1c0$afac2ca6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the kind words mylady ;-) Yes, the rumor is true, I had a great race on Saturday. J. Taylor Young ran off in T10, went directly into the berm at the back of the run off area at aroun 75-80 mph, parted company with the bike (which landed on the rear subframe about 8 ft behind the berm) flew through the air about 10 ft off the ground (kinda like the Greatest American Hero) flew through the trees waaay back there, then landed hard on Orchard road behind the tree row. Amazingly, he sprained an ankle and has lots of bruises!! nothing more!! Today I had horrible grids way back in the second wave for the first two races. I was in 5th on the first race up until the very last time around T10 when I did a littl off track motocrossing as well, while two bikes snuck by me while I was trying to get back on the track.. The second race was red flaged just as I was passing 4 guys to move up into 6th with a good run on the front 5...But since the red flag popped out, I was scored per the lap before at 10th.. called it a race since all riders had seen (barely) halfway point. For the last race today, I had an awesome start and worked up to 3rd, lost it, got it back in 9 on th last lap, but lost it at the exit of 9 cause my worn out rear tire just wouldn't hold up to the hp. 4th is cool. With a front wave gridding, I think I could have walked away with the last race (B production)... Full race report to come in a day or so...shower and bed for now (man i'm sore!!) Linda Tanner wrote: > Collin won at Summit Point - that's first place on Saturday. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 22:23:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27927 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18821 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23463 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA16878; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-59-249.s280.tnt13.brd.erols.com(207.172.59.249) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma016875; Sun, 13 Sep 98 22:22:56 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980913222038.010412c4@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:23:31 -0400 To: "Jon S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: The Squid inside (and trip report) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > BTW, I know I'm not the only one sick of hearing about squid this and >squid that. Some of you need to realize that there are different bikes for >different riders/styles. Yours isn't better than anyone elses. Maybe some >of us sportbike riders will start telling stories about smoking old guys on >standard bikes, who try and keep up. It can go both ways. Jon - A Squid isnt just a sportbike rider. Its someone who rides above their limits in Teva's, jean shorts and a muscle shirt (along with a $600 custom graphic helmet) while passing cages on the shoulder through a turning lane at 160 Mph. Basically a squid is an ass of one kind or another: asshole or dumbass. Type of bike interchangable, but very often an intense fiberglass rice burner. (Mike closes his Webster's MC Dictionary) In other news.... I still get pissed cause most of the Harley guys dont wave. Jerkoffs. I had no idea of the service record of the bike I bought a couple months ago, so this weekend I enjoyed changing and checking all the fluids and gizmos. Old spark plugs were rusted and corroded - easily replaced after I removed the one (yes one) screw that keeps the gas tank in place. Fiddled with the cable lube on the Clutch lever. Managed to get more on the bike than in the cable (even with the attachment). Couldnt locate a small filter wrench on short notice, so I changed the oil and left the filter in place temporarily. Regret it since the oil was downright nasty. Lastly replaced the air filter element. Looked like grease on the filter, but screen was clean. All told - $80 and the bike seems to have better power and a smoother shift. Notched up the suspension and took the girlfriend (trying to get her to LEAN!) on a ride up Rt. 15 through Leesburg. Enjoyed blank stare (in response to a wave) from biker at Payne's in the city. Amazing how many nice Harleys were parked out front. Wish they would pave Rt. 50 between Chantilly and Pepsi Plant. Irritating grooves from road eater for a few miles. Finished with evening ride down 29 to the Old Stone House and battlefield markers. Will be cleaning bugs from helmet for days. -MT _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 22:37:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA28425 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18937 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23710 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:37:43 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WYZKa26915 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:35:32 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b3ed97a.35fc80f4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:35:32 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Interesting reading (a continuation of the Squid inside) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Here is a VERY interesting and enlightening article to read. http://www.activebike.com/index/features/raw/raw.html Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 13 22:58:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29273 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19178 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.rdc1.md.home.com (known ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23971 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.3.19.47]) by ha1.rdc1.md.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA4331 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:58:32 -0700 Message-ID: <35FC8605.CF7B8C14@home.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:57:09 -0400 From: Dan Whorton Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: RIDING, EATING, TALKING......HAVE'N FUN] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E4E1A5200819BB5BFB12E442" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E4E1A5200819BB5BFB12E442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------E4E1A5200819BB5BFB12E442 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from h1.mail.home.com ([24.0.0.50]) by ha1.rdc1.md.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA28209 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:59:53 -0700 Received: from mx3.home.com (mx3.home.com [24.0.0.32]) by h1.mail.home.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA06110 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lek.ucdavis.edu (lek.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.178]) by mx3.home.com (8.8.5/8.8.5-AtHome) with ESMTP id HAA01613 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lek.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.12.9) with SMTP id HAA23333; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.120.8.1]) by lek.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.12.9) with ESMTP id HAA23317 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ksicomm01.knowledgesoft.com (ksicomm01.knowledgesoft.com [204.183.205.236]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.12.10) with ESMTP id HAA05065 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ksicomm01.knowledgesoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:39:55 -0400 Message-ID: <247714D9A7A1D1119CDC00805FC10F8D5B4377@ksicomm01.knowledgesoft.com> From: Mike Brown To: "'Discussion list for the CBX'" Subject: RIDING, EATING, TALKING......HAVE'N FUN Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:39:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: mbrown@XXXXXX Sender: owner-cbx@XXXXXX X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.05 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN L A S T M A J O R E A S T C O A S T C B X R A L L Y I N 1 9 9 8 SEPEMBER 18-20 MID-ATLANTIC REGIONAL .....NEAR GETTYSBURG, PA.\ Cross Keys Motor Inn, Jct Rt 30 & 94, 10 miles EAST of Gettysburg, (717) 624-7778. Rate is $58/night, Rooms available.... super facility and great meals Sat. rides start at 11:00 AM..............plenty of time to ride in Sat. and still participate. Group dinner Sat. eve at Cross Keys. Go-cart track rented for Sat. night-don't miss it! Great rally to renew old acquaintances and meet new CBX friends! Call or e-mail Mike Brown (717) 790-0404 X4331 LOWPOINTS........ AND A FEW POSSIBLE HIGHPOINTS meet Don Schmidt .........he has some surprises for us all....least that is what he claims......I am thinking he will tow his 454 chevy convertible in behind his cbx.....bout all he has not done at a rally so far. for good reason he has had his tongue rivited...to avoid further issues like at the national a few years back...he will explain if you ask him see the lighest ducati twin on the planet owned by mike cecchini...hear how it got woooped last year in a roll on by a stock cbx.....and learn about the mikes quest to own the one and only three cylinder ducati in the whole wide world.....hear about mikes world traveled 8 inch headlamp......this light has traveled more miles in one year than mikes cbx in its lifetime.....ask him why see jim petsoules super show bike......see jim do ten one handed pushups......not bad for a guy 78 years old see the cleanest 50,000 mile cbx in the world....and also the one needing the most tlc.... (never parked side by side) meet the guys and gals from canada if you can stay up that late. meet da mick and admire his buell .......and yes....it is true .....dennic mc.....is real we think..and will be there witness cman try to up his prior world record of screwing up 23 cbx carbs in 2 hours and 23 min ride the mountains of PA and MD....super roads...lots of scenery IF YOU DONT DO THIS RALLY.........YOU WONT REMEMBER WHAT YOU DID A YEAR FROM NOW INSTEAD.. --------------E4E1A5200819BB5BFB12E442-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 00:07:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02374 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20705 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25060 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.50]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:04:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mike T" , Subject: RE: The Squid inside (and trip report) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:04:08 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01bddf94$b8c34240$2c80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980913222038.010412c4@www.troutman.org> And then there is the other side of the Harley thing. My Wing has broken down twice. First time was a bad main fuse. Second time (today) was just some random gremlin that disappeared after 30 seconds. Both times, a Harley rider stopped and offered assistance. BTW, why did you wait so long before changing fluids/plugs on a second hand bike? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 00:33:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03337 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20992 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25394 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:33:01 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 7NDBa28984; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:31:48 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside (and trip report) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 The more benefit rides I do, the more of the real Harley riders I see. They are nice, and would drop anything to help. They don't care about make or model. They care about each other as motorcyclists. That's the way we all should be. If we, as motorcyclists, would quit bickering amongst ourselves, we could get alot done. People would listen to us as a group if we acted as a group. I'm not saying don't disagree, but rather be willing to accept differences and work things out. Otherwise, we're no better than children fighting in a schoolyard over whose toy is best. I'l get off the podium now. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 00:46:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03835 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21107 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25587 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:46:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WWSCa28987; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:45:38 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Squidly behavior - only for young guys on sport bikes? And...a funny quote! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 I came across this little snippet tonight in the little squid/anti-squid flare-up.... " Maybe some of us sportbike riders will start telling stories about smoking old guys on Standard bikes..... " My Dad could probably be considered an 'old guy' on a standard.....I can't speak for him or issue any challenges on his behalf.....but it would probably get pretty hairy for the sportbike rider. Any response, oh-Father-of-mine? -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 06:29:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18646 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24238 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA28888 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id EFQVa17585; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9fb7762d.35fcefe1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:28:49 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/13/98 9:35:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << smoking old guys on standard bikes, who try and keep up. It can go both ways. >> How about old guys on blue Zx-9Rs? LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 06:32:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18724 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24264 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA28909 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:32:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 7JGVa12057; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342af92e.35fcf092@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:31:46 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/13/98 10:12:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Hauling ass down the interstate ain't the purpose of a sport bike. >> What if you are in a hurry to get somewhere? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 07:43:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21715 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24887 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29649 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA16707 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:43:44 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:43:44 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8CA6@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squidly behavior - only for young guys on sport bikes? And... a funny quote! Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:46:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > My Dad could probably be considered an 'old guy' on a > standard.....I can't > speak for him or issue any challenges on his behalf.....but > it would probably > get pretty hairy for the sportbike rider. Any response, > oh-Father-of-mine? It's at least 90% rider - the machine is almost irrelevant (unless there is a GROSS disparity). I'm faster than the slow guys and slower than the fast guys, and, as I age, I notice that my margin gets larger - I hardly ever ride past the 70% mark on streets anymore. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 07:59:17 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22491 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809141159.HAA22491@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A50F3770580; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:59:11 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:50:24 -0400 To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lucifer takes another soul In-Reply-To: <01f101bdde41$c6809d00$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes. it shows that even people who are aware of the dangers of alcohol use are still seduced. Since judgment is one of the first things to go, people can't make clear decisions about their condition once they start drinking. Chris Norloff At 07:34 AM 9/12/98 -0400, mobacc wrote: >Can there be any...other...explanation than a pact with the devil for this >senseless accident? > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/digest/local4.htm (and on TV last >night) > >(A volunteer firefighter and medical technician, 26, crashes his motorcycle >(speed, alcohol) after being taken home from his volunteer-drinker >training-subject role at a police training facility.) > >A new category for Hurt-like reports. > >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 Past most childhood diseases >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 07:59:17 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22492 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809141159.HAA22492@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A50E3770580; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:59:10 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:40:13 -0400 To: khafre@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Parking Ticket Cc: In-Reply-To: <35F9DB22.430BFBD4@erols.com> References: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9E0@mlnt1s.imf.org> <199809111850.OAA06380@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:23 PM 9/11/98 -0400, John A. Wilson wrote: >The plate number matches. I considered doing the adjudication by mail, but I >don't trust them to get it right. The violation is only $20 but its the >principle of matter. I wont be missing out on work because I'm starting new job >the 21st and I'm using the week of the 14th just to bum around so I have the >time to spare. Besides it could be fun acting irate. Let us know how it goes! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 08:04:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22583 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25066 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29894 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA25344; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA02664; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA02255; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:03:47 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA02252; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:03:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199809141203.FAA02252@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:03:46 -0700 From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:57:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > (ever try to lay on the tank of a Shadow?). *** Sure, I do it all the time when I'm on the highway/Rte 66. I don't care much for getting hit so hard by the wind (no windscreen). Laying down on the tank cuts wind resistance and lets me go faster. But really, how fast can a old 454 cruiser go? . . . . :-D (hee, hee, hee!) I doubt the police would have seen any humor in seeing my cruiser steaming down behind this guy, my only explanation > being that "I wanted to see if I could keep up." *** Never know, I might have to cop that plea if/when I get caught. Or could I use, "I thought that by running the engine hard I could clean out the crap in the carbs." 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For example, ride on the left side of the right lane and the right side of the left lane. As I'm overtaking on a vehicle, I try to see the driver's eyes in either his rear view mirror or his side mirror. Once I can't see his eyes anymore, I gun it on around the car. Of course, this doesn't work so well on multi-lane interstates such as the Beltway or I-95 between DC and Baltimore; just keep a wary eye out. But it does produce an adrenaline rush when passing an 18-wheeler this close. > ---------- > From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 11, 1998 6:01 PM > To: Bikes R Us; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Blind spots > > That depending on my mood, load, and bike, I might go 10% slower than the > rest of the traffic. Guard my lane, of course. > > Best choice of action (for trips, not as good for commuting) is to stay > between the 'pockets' of traffic. Get in front of the first one, but don't > go so fast as to join the second pocket. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > That's my 2 pennies worth...What do y'all think? > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 08:24:11 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23485 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:24:09 -0400 (EDT) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15736 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12756 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809141223.IAA12756@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Lucifer takes another soul To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:23:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Yes. it shows that even people who are aware of the dangers of alcohol use > are still seduced. Since judgment is one of the first things to go, people > can't make clear decisions about their condition once they start drinking. > > Chris Norloff Which raises an interesting question. According to the article, Mr. Theurer, the volunteer, signed a consent form before the training began. Part of the form is a promise not to operate a motor vehicle for at least 12 hours. Then they proceed to get him drunk (BAC about 0.15). Can they still reasonably expect him to remember/abide by the consent form he signed? As Chris said, judgement is one of the first things to go. According to the article, they dropped him off at the firehouse where he works, while he was still drunk. Then someone from the firehouse drove him home, where he lived alone. Seems to me that if a person volunteers to do something like this for the sake of training police officers (so they would learn to determine if someone is under the influence) they should take better care of him! Louis > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/digest/local4.htm (and on TV last > >night) From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 08:39:01 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24018 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:23:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Scot Kight'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFR vs. XX Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:38:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Just catching up on mail being gone the whole week. Anyhow, the VFR's claimed HP at the crank is 108 not 99. Glenn > > > A couple more things to add which you may find interesting > > when adding up > > the numbers: > > > > 900SS: > > 75 hp; 55 ft lbs of torque; 11.6 sec. 1/4 mile at 116 mph; 139 mph top > > speed; $11k > > Mine is at 73hp and 63lbft at the wheel. Dyno. And its the old one, > without > the new fuel injection. The FI gives about 80hp. > at the wheel. > > > > > VFR800FI: > > 99 hp; 60 ft lbs of torque; 11.2 sec 1/4 mile at 120.22 mph; > > 147 mph top > > speed; $9k > > I belive that is at the crank. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 08:59:26 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24846 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:58:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Yosh number Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:58:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Is this for the TLR? I thought you were selling that thing? Glenn > Anyone have the number for Yoshimura R&D? Ive been to their website, and > found > some parts, but on the price list, there is no listing. and no phone > number to > call. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 09:06:52 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc011.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil [134.11.235.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25279 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:05:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "Jon S." , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:05:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) There are many mature riders that can dust plenty of sport bike riders on their older cruisers and standards. Of course I'm talking about turns not flat out acceleration which doesn't require any skill. Brian and I know a guy on a big Yamaha Venture (Yamaha's answer to the Gold Wing) that hangs really good in the turns. Watch what you say about dusting people, you might be in for a big surprise some day. Glenn (it's a V30 Magna) > Gone are the days of do it all bikes (with a small handful of exceptions. > CB > 750, F650, R850, and a few others) If you are going to ride a specialized > bike, you may as well use it for its specialized purpose. Hauling ass down > the interstate ain't the purpose of a sport bike. Conquering 40 Alt and > many > of WVa's fine roads is what the sport bike is for. > > > Maybe some > > of us sportbike riders will start telling stories about smoking > > old guys on > > standard bikes, who try and keep up. It can go both ways. > > Only if Glenn gets to tell us stories about dusting guys on his Sabre (?). > I'd really hate to follow him on the VFR800... > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 09:07:07 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25289 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id GAA22357 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:07:03 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:07:03 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8CBC@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lucifer takes another soul Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:09:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Then they proceed to get him drunk (BAC about 0.15). Can they still > reasonably expect him to remember/abide by the consent form he signed? I saw an estimate that at the time of the crash his BAC would have been about .02% (assuming that he didn't drink after leaving the cop shop). The same report (Washington Post) stated that his BAC was at .1% (down from .15%) by the time that he was driven back to the fire station. One would think that the police-provided alcohol wouldn't have been a major factor at that time. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 09:18:36 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25726 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:18:02 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 14 Sep 1998 09:18:01 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 14 Sep 1998 09:18:01 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 04D4935FD178900C-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 04D4935FD178900C Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <04D4935FD178900C*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 14 Sep 1998 09:18:01 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: DC Traffic Regulations Message-Id: <04D4935FD178900C*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Does anyone know if there is an online listing of the DC traffic regulations? I've been able to find them for VA, but I can't seem to find them for the district. On my way home Friday I was given a "driving through a safety zone ticket" when I got impatient and cut over one of those double yellow line things between an entrance ramp and the road it merges on to. I expected a crossing a double yellow line ticket but got the driving through a safety zone instead. I was wondering what the legal definition of a safety zone is according to DC traffic regulations. Any help would be appreciated. Don B. PS. I know I was wrong, but I'm just hoping Officer friendly wrote me the wrong ticket. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 09:20:15 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25805 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809141320.JAA25805@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A80425062A; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:20:04 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:06:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lucifer takes another soul In-Reply-To: <199809141223.IAA12756@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:23 AM 9/14/98 -0400, louis@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Yes. it shows that even people who are aware of the dangers of alcohol use >> are still seduced. Since judgment is one of the first things to go, people >> can't make clear decisions about their condition once they start drinking. >> Chris Norloff > >Which raises an interesting question. According to the article, Mr. Theurer, >the volunteer, signed a consent form before the training began. Part of >the form is a promise not to operate a motor vehicle for at least 12 hours. >Then they proceed to get him drunk (BAC about 0.15). Can they still >reasonably expect him to remember/abide by the consent form he signed? Interesting point -- engaging in activity which might cause you to forget the cautions of engaging in that activity in the first place! The dead rider had a measured BAC of 0.12 (0.10 is legally intoxicated in Maryland). The article said that he would have had a BAC of about 0.02 at the time of the wreck, which was 4.5 hours after he left the police training (assuming he had no more drinks). It'll be interesting to see what his measured BAC was at the time of the accident. My guess is that as he came off the drunk, he felt good enough at 0.02 BAC to go for a cool evening ride, and didn't realize that he wasn't exactly in top form. Pilots and race car drivers have long had a 12 hour bottle-to-throttle rule. More might be better, but it's a good start. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 09:29:16 1998 Return-Path: RTOBIAS@XXXXXX Received: from csnt1s.imf.org (csnt1s.imf.org [134.113.4.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26163 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by csnt1s.imf.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:14:08 -0400 Message-ID: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C02E6E9E6@mlnt1s.imf.org> From: "Tobias, Robert" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Parking Ticket Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:14:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain The plate number matches - That's a GOOD THING. It identifies the vehicle as a motorcycle. This is the basis for claiming that the ticket is invalid. Contact the mail arbitration board and include a copy of your registration to show that the meterperson didn't make a mistake when they copied down your car's registration and you should be OK. > -----Original Message----- > From: John A. Wilson [SMTP:khafre@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 11, 1998 10:24 PM > To: Chris Norloff > Cc: Todd Peer; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Parking Ticket > > The plate number matches. I considered doing the adjudication by mail, > but I > don't trust them to get it right. The violation is only $20 but its > the > principle of matter. I wont be missing out on work because I'm > starting new job > the 21st and I'm using the week of the 14th just to bum around so I > have the > time to spare. Besides it could be fun acting irate. > > John > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > At 01:59 PM 9/11/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > > >Hmmm. I know where this particular parking area is as I parked > there for > > >around 3 years. It is possible that some cager parked on top of > one or > > >more of the moto-only parking spaces, got the ticket, and then > removed it > > >to (Roberts ?) bike. Check the plate # written. > > > > > >This last post got me thinking about this. Definitely check the > plate > > >number written. If the above scenario occurred, chuck the ticket. > > > > Good call! That's a very good possibility. Sure would hate to pay > someone > > else's ticket! > > > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 10:16:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28334 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26890 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03768 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 350; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:15:41 -0400 Message-ID: <35FD2539.BD00B1AE@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:16:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jon S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid inside References: <000c01bddf7e$e99a0360$254f37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon S. wrote: > > BTW, I know I'm not the only one sick of hearing about squid this and > squid that. Some of you need to realize that there are different bikes for > different riders/styles. So if I want to ride around in shorts and flip-flops I need to get a sportbike, right? Jon, you and I have gone around this before, the point you aren't getting is that a squid is a rider who rides on the knife edge without proper riding gear. The bike of choice is (mostly) irrelevant. I firmly believe that if the rider has any skill at all, he's learned it over time, and in that time, he's probably also learned to dress properly. If not, then that kind of rider is a complete and utter fool. So know you know why I make fun of squids. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 10:27:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28794 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27052 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04148 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 291; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:26:27 -0400 Message-ID: <35FD27BF.88EF9FEA@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:27:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid inside (and trip report) References: <004a01bddf94$b8c34240$2c80e2cf@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > And then there is the other side of the Harley thing. My Wing has broken > down twice. First time was a bad main fuse. Second time (today) was just > some random gremlin that disappeared after 30 seconds. Both times, a Harley > rider stopped and offered assistance. > I can second that. Had problems with my little 76 Kawi 400 a while ago, coil was going bad, I didn't know it then, but I was pulled off to the side, and a Harley guy stopped for me. We got the little bike fired again, and I was on my way, but I was still glad he stopped. FWIW, I find that the farther you get away from "the city", the more friendly and wave-prone the bikers tend to be. Smaller poseur concentration, perhaps? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 10:36:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29214 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27133 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04537 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 203; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:35:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35FD29D5.50F14FEF@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:36:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: The Squid inside References: <199809141203.FAA02252@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > > (ever try to lay on the tank of a Shadow?). > *** Sure, I do it all the time when I'm on the highway/Rte 66. I > don't care much for getting hit so hard by the wind (no windscreen). Laying > down on the tank cuts wind resistance and lets me go faster. But really, > how fast can a old 454 cruiser go? . . . . :-D (hee, hee, hee!) > Too damn fast! :) I had the pleasure(?) of following Ursulina on I66 one night when she decided to do a throttle check. Damn, that little bike can move when it wants too. :) Me, I let her pull away. I didn't want a ticket for triple digit speeds.... =:-o Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 10:46:51 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29701 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01341; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:45:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980914144543.CRUB18768@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:45:43 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , "Linda Tanner" Cc: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Summit Racing was-->Re: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:45:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bddfee$481220c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35FC7C2E.1146B107@geocities.com> You and Linda are both too shy with the details of your magnificent run. As I recall, for your Saturday Novice Solo20 (20 lap endurance, last race of the day) you were gridded last wave of three. I was working turn three. Sean Sullivan was my pick up guy in the afternoon (make a note: don't come to chat with Todd unless you plan to work ;) We watched as you moved from 6th, to 4th in the 3rd lap and 2nd about two laps later. It appeared you were having trouble keeping up with Taylor until you guys hit traffic at the end of my turn (I think is was Jay). Next lap around, you were up front! By this time, we were clocking you at 1:22! A couple of laps later I heard the Kawa went off at high speed in turn 10 and, "send an ambulance!" from Dawn Cook. 10 seconds later here comes Collin with a good 3 second lead on the field. I'm sure you didn't know you were that far out because you were still balls-to-the-wall running. By around the 18th lap I think you figured it out and were taking a little easier. A good thing since it appeared you may have intended on visiting me in three (a goofy little wiggle), after I asked you to be nice! A great race and congratulations. Todd Collin Fagen wrote: > Thanks for the kind words mylady ;-) > > Yes, the rumor is true, I had a great race on Saturday. J. Taylor Young > ran off in T10, went directly into the berm at the back of the run off > area at aroun 75-80 mph, parted company with the bike (which landed on > the rear subframe about 8 ft behind the berm) flew through the air about > 10 ft off the ground (kinda like the Greatest American Hero) flew > through the trees waaay back there, then landed hard on Orchard road > behind the tree row. Amazingly, he sprained an ankle and has lots of > bruises!! nothing more!! > > > Linda Tanner wrote: > > > Collin won at Summit Point - that's first place on Saturday. > -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 10:50:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29801 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27412 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05294 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA14041; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980914144930.CTEA18768@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:49:30 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Jordan, Michael" , Subject: RE: Squidly behavior - only for young guys on sport bikes? And...a funny quote! Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:49:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bddfee$cfbe2f00$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8CA6@sw730x023.visa.com> Michael Jordan wrote: > > > My Dad could probably be considered an 'old guy' on a > > standard.....I can't > > speak for him or issue any challenges on his behalf.....but > > it would probably > > get pretty hairy for the sportbike rider. Any response, > > oh-Father-of-mine? > > It's at least 90% rider - the machine is almost irrelevant > (unless there is > a GROSS disparity). > > I'm faster than the slow guys and slower than the fast guys, and, > as I age, > I notice that my margin gets larger - I hardly ever ride past the 70% mark > on streets anymore. > > Michael J. > HA! That's a good one! Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 10:50:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29802 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27414 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05291 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA11004; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980914144929.CTDT18768@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:49:29 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , , Subject: RE: Squidly behavior - only for young guys on sport bikes? And...a funny quote! Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:49:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bddfee$ceeb9cc0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: 'Tis true. Your father is an excellent rider on a fairly unassuming motorcycle. I only know a handful of 'sportbike' riders that ride as well. Todd > I came across this little snippet tonight in the little squid/anti-squid > flare-up.... > > " Maybe some of us sportbike riders will start telling stories > about smoking > old guys on Standard bikes..... " > > My Dad could probably be considered an 'old guy' on a standard.....I can't > speak for him or issue any challenges on his behalf.....but it > would probably > get pretty hairy for the sportbike rider. Any response, > oh-Father-of-mine? > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 10:52:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29840 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27455 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05378 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA01196 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:52:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: KZ-400 In-Reply-To: <35FD29D5.50F14FEF@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Dale, Having learned to ride over 17 years ago on a 1976 KZ-400 I'm really glad to know that there is one left traveling the roads! Mine was blue with homemade pipes and faring. I rode it to Maine and back before I upgraded to a KZ-650. Dawn 1996 Virago 1100 Special From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 10:55:07 1998 Return-Path: caleb@XXXXXX Received: from diehlgraphsoft.com ([209.125.207.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29863 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.120] by diehlgraphsoft.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:53:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Parking Ticket Date: Mon, 14 Sep 98 10:53:47 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Caleb Strockbine To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1306352071-49708199@diehlgraphsoft.com> >The plate number matches. I considered doing the adjudication by mail, but I >don't trust them to get it right. The violation is only $20 but its the >principle of matter. I wont be missing out on work because I'm starting >new job >the 21st and I'm using the week of the 14th just to bum around so I have the >time to spare. Besides it could be fun acting irate. If "it's the principle of [the] matter" then don't forget to find out what the fine is for not paying the meter and write a check for that amount. Unless you've got some of those snazzy modern principles... Caleb Strockbine caleb@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 10:56:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29873 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27522 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05502 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zIa33-0003eY-00; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:56:13 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:54:44 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A269@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:53:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I did my top speed (so far) of 120 the other night. hee hee Tom, Brian & I were doing our best squid imitations with my friend Jody on the back of Brian's bike holding on for dear life!! MWUAH HA HA HA HA HA - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 11:05:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00551 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27736 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05880 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id IAA01366 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:04:58 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:04:58 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8D07@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squidly behavior - only for young guys on sport bikes? And... a funny quote! Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:07:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I notice that my margin gets larger - I hardly ever ride >> past the 70% mark on streets anymore. >> >> Michael J. >> > > HA! That's a good one! > > Todd Todd, 'tis a classic case of YMMV - a given speed may be 70% for me may be 90% for someone else and 15% for Collin ;-) Michael (certified old fart) J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 11:06:53 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00563 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23862; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:04:52 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119790A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Linda Tanner Cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: Summit Racing was-->Re: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:04:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, I was on the first row of the second "wave", but they started us as one wave...I actually liked that. It allowed me a little more space to run and punch into the first group by turn 1. Of course, I would always prefer to start up front :) Taylor's bike was much more stable in the carousel, so I'd lose some ground there, but I was faster in 4 and 10 and would make it up. We were dead even down the straight. Got around him on the 7th lap (I think??) but I knew he was right there behind me... I had no idea that he had crashed. Like you said, I was going full bore. I'm told I painted a nice squigly stripe there in three where the back end shot out... Later on, I chanced a glance behind me coming down the straight only to see the next bike behind me jsut coming out of ten!!! I though maybe Taylor was sneaking up on the other side, so i didn't even chance a second look under the other arm... The next lap I looked again, and had a pretty good idea he was gone, but had no idea he had crashed due to the lack of flags... I indeed slowed what felt like a lot...actually only slowed by a secondor so to high 23's and low 24's!! Set yet another personal best of 1:21.96. I think I may have beat that on the final race yesterday, but no one was timing that one :( A special thanks to all those that stopped by to say howdy and cheer me on. (Even to Alex M. who showed up at 2:30 in the morning on Friday night and woke me up!!! At least the girl with him was pleasant to look at ;-) Otherwise I might have been less hospitable he he he). Collin ps: is it February yet?? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:48 AM > To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX); Linda Tanner > Cc: Dc-Cycles > Subject: RE: Summit Racing was-->Re: The Squid inside > > > You and Linda are both too shy with the details of your magnificent run. > As I recall, for your Saturday Novice Solo20 (20 lap endurance, last race > of the day) you were gridded last wave of three. > > I'm sure you didn't know you were > that far out because you were still balls-to-the-wall running. > > By around the 18th lap I think you figured it out and were taking a little > easier. A good thing since it appeared you may have intended on visiting > me in three (a goofy little wiggle), after I asked you to be nice! > > A great race and congratulations. > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 11:08:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00852 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27764 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05989 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id IAA03313 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:08:23 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:08:23 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8D08@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:10:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > I did my top speed (so far) of 120 the other night. While we're in true confessions mode - I watched the black beast go through 135 (indicated) whilst still accelerating somewhat briskly. I don't have a clue where it would have stopped, but I do know when I did. Michael (there's no replacement for displacement) J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 11:14:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00961 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27870 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com (known [208.138.226.5] [208.138.226.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06224 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:11:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:11:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Dale Horstman > Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > Too damn fast! :) I had the pleasure(?) of following Ursulina > on I66 one night when she decided to do a throttle check. Damn, > that little bike can move when it wants too. :) > > Me, I let her pull away. I didn't want a ticket for triple digit > speeds.... =:-o You shoulda seen her boogie when she tried out my V65 Magna on the Prince William Parkway. I'm torturing her poor 454 to about 70mph, and she's hell and gone over the next hill, hunched over the tank... Mark 83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 11:15:14 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01038 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:15:45 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B96B@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:13:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The all american trio.. 86/87 VFRs of the red, white and blue nature... (one of each colour). Funny how the bike rides when you have an unfamiliar passanger.. when we first started, she kept counter-leaning.. she was doing good by the end though.... -----Original Message----- I did my top speed (so far) of 120 the other night. hee hee Tom, Brian & I were doing our best squid imitations with my friend Jody on the back of Brian's bike holding on for dear life!! MWUAH HA HA HA HA HA - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 11:37:55 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01926 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zIahF-0007CQ-00; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:37:45 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:36:16 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A26F@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:34:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It was pretty funny, Brian asked her why she was leaning the other way when he went around curves & she replied, "to balance us out." LOL - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 11:13 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: The Squid inside > > The all american trio.. 86/87 VFRs of the red, white and blue > nature... > (one of each colour). Funny how the bike rides when you have an > unfamiliar > passanger.. when we first started, she kept counter-leaning.. she was > doing > good by the end though.... > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 11:59:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02832 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28711 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08052 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA08866; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA20517; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA02797; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:58:43 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA02785; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:58:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199809141558.IAA02785@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:58:41 -0700 From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Mark Petty'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:52:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I tell ya, leaning into the tank REALLY helps get the speed up. Course on your bike it's not like it was any effort to be speedy. 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M3DM214%,3%E(14Q04T=%5%1(15-0145$55!#3U524T5/3EE/55)"24M%2513 E3D]43$E+14E45T%304Y9149&3U)45$]"15-0145$60`````T<0== ` end From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 12:08:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03275 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28885 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08523 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:07:56 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WRZMa12057 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:07:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/14/98 11:15:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << > I did my top speed (so far) of 120 the other night. While we're in true confessions mode - I watched the black beast go through 135 (indicated) whilst still accelerating somewhat briskly. I don't have a clue where it would have stopped, but I do know when I did. >> Three weeks ago I hit my all time high......160+ showing on the speedo. Good for about 155 in real speed since the TLS speedo is very accurate. Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 12:16:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03724 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29078 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08902 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 289; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:16:07 -0400 Message-ID: <35FD4172.2A609D07@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:16:50 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: The Squid inside References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B96B@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Funny how the bike rides when you have an unfamiliar > passanger.. when we first started, she kept counter-leaning.. she was doing > good by the end though.... > Seat pucker probably built up enough suction by that point, I would guess. :) Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 12:20:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03823 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29199 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09161 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:21:10 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B972@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:18:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Are you attempting to insinuate something about the way I ride Dale? :P Just because I like to USE all the tire I pay for doesn't mean I ride bad.. :P -----Original Message----- McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Funny how the bike rides when you have an unfamiliar > passanger.. when we first started, she kept counter-leaning.. she was doing > good by the end though.... > Seat pucker probably built up enough suction by that point, I would guess. :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 12:28:00 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04206 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 312; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:27:07 -0400 Message-ID: <35FD4406.5DB8131E@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:27:50 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Summit Racing References: <002d01bddf66$0ae9e1c0$afac2ca6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> <35FC7C2E.1146B107@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Thanks for the kind words mylady ;-) > > Yes, the rumor is true, I had a great race on Saturday. And a star is born. Can I have your autograph? :) Congratulations. Too bad I missed it. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 12:59:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05574 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29792 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11699 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:02:14 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:01:50 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: JudyKlein@XXXXXX, crc18@XXXXXX, msj8@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, singlesourceco@XXXXXX, dpugh@XXXXXX, diane_l35@XXXXXX Subject: off topic Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:37:31 -0400 From: Laura Roecklein To: ghanbury@XXXXXX,kjareaux@XXXXXX, klatek@XXXXXX, schlesinger@XXXXXX, 0002185946@XXXXXX Subject: FW: This time with a message -Forwarded this is mildly entertaining. Received: by gatekeeper.pipermar.com; id PAA14879; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.168.100.12) by gatekeeper.pipermar.com via smap (4.1) id xma014786; Fri, 11 Sep 98 15:16:29 -0400 Received: by BALTMSG1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:24:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:21:14 -0400 From: "O'Donnell, Keara - DC" To: wgerboth@XXXXXX,lroecklein@XXXXXX, Annette@XXXXXX, callaire@XXXXXX, jglassman@XXXXXX, susan.flattum@XXXXXX, kmmccarthy@XXXXXX, SHP@XXXXXX, TMS@XXXXXX Subject: FW: This time with a message > -----Original Message----- > From: ODonnell, Patrice [SMTP:Patrice.ODonnell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 11, 1998 2:45 PM > To: 'Alicia'; 'Amy Nolan'; 'Amy O'Donnell'; 'Caitlin'; 'Chuck'; > 'Danno'; Davey, Patricia; Belyea, Robin; 'Ferris, Cinda'; Garcia, > Noelia; Hamel, Julie; 'Josie'; 'Julie Whitney'; 'Keara O'Donnell'; > 'Kev'; 'Len'; Love, Rachel; Crosby, Aquilla; 'Mike'; 'Mo'; 'Pat'; > 'Skippy'; 'Suzie'; Weber, Peter > Subject: FW: This time with a message > > It is at least amusing for a Friday afternoon. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tyminski, Elizabeth > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 1998 1:59 PM > > To: Baldao, Annette; Blattner, David; Crosby, Aquilla; Detels, > > Blakeslee; Dimatteo, Michele; Jennings, Mary Anne; Love, Rachel; > > McInnis, Kathleen; Moynihan, Margaret; ODonnell, Patrice; Pooley, > > Debra; Richardson, Margaret; Shannon, Mary(LIHI); BARTH, JAMIE > > Subject: This time with a message > > > > > > > > OK kids, try this out, pretty funny !! > > > > > > > > > > First things first: > > NO CHEATING > > Really. I mean it. > > > > Don't cheat. > > This is a little game that has a pretty funny/creepy outcome. > > Don't read ahead, just do it in order. It takes about 3 > > minutes > > It's worth it. > > It's kinda eerie.... > > > > > > > > > > First, Get a blank piece of paper and pen. > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. When you are asked to choose names, make sure it's people > > you ACTUALLY KNOW, and go with your first instincts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Scroll down one line at a time - don't read ahead or you'll > > ruin the fun!! > > Are you ready spaggetti. . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) First, write the numbers 1 through 11 in a column. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.) Then, beside numbers 1 and 2, write any two numbers you > > want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.) Beside the 3 and 7, write down the names of members of > > the opposite sex (or same sex if you're gay). Don't look > > ahead-or > > it won't turn out right! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.) Write anyone's name (like friends or family...) in the > > 4th, 5th and 6th spots. Don't cheat or you'll be upset that > > you did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.) Write down four song titles in 8, 9, 10 and 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.) Finally, make a wish..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here is the key for that game.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) You must tell (the number in space 2) people about > > this game in (the number in space 1) days in order to make > > your wish come true. > > > > > > > > > > 2.) The person in space 3 is the one that you love. > > > > > > > > 3.) The person in 7 is one you like but can't work out. > > > > > > > > 4.) You care most about the person you put in 4. > > > > > > > > 5.) The person you name in number 5 is the one who knows you > > very well. > > > > > > > > > > 6.) The person you name in 6 is your lucky star > > > > > > > > > > 7.) The song in 8 is the song that matches with the person in 3. > > > > > > > > > > 8.) The title in 9 is the song for the person in 7. > > > > > > > > > > 9.) The tenth space is the song that tells you most about your mind. > > > > > > > > > > 10.) And 11 is the song telling how you feel about life! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK > > the person that sent this to me said their wish came true 10 mins > > after they read the mail so I thought what the heck. > > > > Elizabeth Tyminski > > Commercial Markets Financial > > 617/357-9500 x44743 > > > > Elizabeth.Tyminski@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 13:17:23 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06554 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA27428 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980914171639.EJSW18768@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:16:39 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: The Tire Changer Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:16:10 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bde003$5df80160$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: 1st of several solicitations: To ALL: This note was written in part due to the carping of some of you last week about the tire changing tool purchase and the DC-Cycles Logo, and partly due to figuring out an equitable way of purchasing and sharing the tire changer. But the main reason the discussion dropped was that the tire changing tool purchase was put off due to the cost. In two words, no money. I have 40 people listed as confirmed pledges at $30 a piece; a measly $1200. HA! You'd be hard pressed to find a used hunk of doo-doo for that little! Assuming everyone was willing to put up $50/ea. that's still only $2000. A quality machine that will change ALL types of tires (Harley to Kawa to ATV) starts at from $2700-3000. And it does NOT include a tire balancer. $3000 is $75/ea., and that assumes the list of original 40 are willing to go the extra mile. My guess is that maybe 28 of you are, and that's only $2100. If 28 of the original 40 are willing to go $100 then we have a good start. Bottom line, unless people are willing to send money NOW, this endeavor is FINISHED! At least it is for me. Sorry. If you still want to go forward, send me a check for $100. INCLUDE A SELF ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE (SASE). I will not accept a check from you any other way. I will collect your checks up to and during the 2nd annual DC-Cycles Gathering (October, 24 1998). If you bring it to me at the gathering, place it in a SASE. I will not cash your check until we have at LEAST $3200 in hand. That's 32 people stepping up. If we do not collect at LEAST $3000 by the end of October, I will mail you your check back (one reason for the SASE). If we do collect enough and follow through with the purchase, I will send you proof of cooperative ownership (the other reason for the SASE). Make the check out to me: Todd B. Peer I will send you a confirmation of receipt via e-mail when I get your check. Keep it. Find my mailing address and, ownership details below: 1 Tom Trask 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 Mark Sommerfield 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Ursulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro 28 David Sward 29 Louis Caplan 30 Chris Meier 31 Frank Artes 32 John Kozyn 33 Richard Westbrook 34 Franz (sesent@XXXXXX) 35 Jay St. Peter 36 Aki Damme 37 David Wakefield 38 Bill Swanson 39 Ralph Wiens 40 John Carver Mail $100 to with a SELF ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE to: Todd B. Peer 8605 Langport Drive Springfield, VA 22152 Ownership: (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and would like to keep this as clean and simple as possible. If there is any mis-understanding by you about the following, I will not be held responsible. If you intend and do send me money for the purpose of purchasing a tire changing tool, one of two things will happen; 1) the tool will be purchased and you will receive proof of cooperative ownership, or 2) I will send you your check back. I will not be held accountable for money/checks/money orders lost in the mail, my underwear drawer, or if my neighbors dogs eat it. In summary, I will not be held accountable for your desire to purchase into this purposed cooperative.) ;) - By participating in this cooperative, you are entitled to the use of the tire changer we end up purchasing at the convenience of Glenn Dysart. The tire changer will be located at Glenn Dysarts home, and will be generously powered by his electricity and his compressor. Glenn will more than likely be the guy who actually changes your tire, or at his discretion, he will instruct you how to do it. Please set up an appointment with Glenn to have your tire changed. - You must first secure permission from Glenn Dysart to have tires or other supplies delivered to his home. Glenn's a nice guy, don't abuse him or his home. - You will not be allowed to leave old tire carcasses at Glenns house. You must arrange for used tire disposal your own way. - Glenn has the right to decide that he does not want you on his property. I can't imagine why he would take this decision against anyone, but if this occurs it will result in your loss of share and the rights of use to any tools owned by DC-Cycles, and you will receive notice and a check for not more than $50 for your share. Your share will then be for sale. So, play nice. note: after all, if you're nice to Glenn, he may hand you a beer from his amply stocked fridge. :) - Your $100 pledge is a share in the cooperative. A share in this cooperative gives you full rights to the use of tools purchased by the cooperative. A share does not indicate ownership by an individual of the tools purchased by the cooperative. All tools purchased by the cooperative are owned by the cooperative and remain so until, by popular vote, they/it are sold. All proceeds from the sale of tools owned by the cooperative will be disbursed equitably among its members minus all postal and banking fees with regard to the sale. note: IOW, you don't own anything but a fair share. If by a popular vote the DC-Cycles want to sell one or more of the tools it acquires, they will be sold. - Your $100 pledge is a share in the cooperative. Don't abuse it. If you want to change a tire for a friend that is not on DC-Cycles or part of this cooperative, you must remit an additional $15/occurrence. Non-payment will result in your loss of share and the rights of use to any tools owned by DC-Cycles, and you will receive notice and a check for not more than $50 for your share. Your share will then be for sale. - If your check bounces after the necessary funds are collected for the initial purchase of the tire changer, you will be assessed a service fee of $20 and you will need to send a $120 'money order' to retain your share. If your money order is not received w/in two weeks, you will be banned from using any DC-cycles tools until you have paid the assessed service fee. Any service fees are separate from other mentioned fees. - Non-owners are welcome to use the tire-changer, by appointment only, for a cost of $15/tire with NO BALANCING (until we get a balancer). This cost is subject to change. More than likely it will go down over time. - All money collected above and beyond the initial offering for the cooperative will be allocated to the reparation of tools owned, the purchase of other useful tools for the cooperative use by DC-Cycles, or by vote to some other purpose (a party maybe? :) - If the offer of shares in the cooperative for DC-Cycles is successful and, by popular vote, it is decided to sell more shares, shares (a number to be determined) will be sold for the sole purpose of raising money to purchase or repair useful tools for the cooperative. - If for some crazy reason you want to quit motorcycling, or leave the DC area, or for personal reasons you want to leave the cooperative, you have the right to sell your share for whatever price you want. That share will continue to be registered to you unless you notify either Glenn Dysart, or me. This cooperative will not issue any sort of refund for the voluntary purchase/sale of a share. It is yours, and if you want to sell it, go ahead. - No guarantees are made that tools purchased in the interest of the DC-cycles will be in good repair, or available at anytime. However, every effort to keep said tools in good repair will be made. You are purchasing a share only, not a tool. If a tool breaks and we don't have money to fix it, it stays broken. - Even though this is ultimately a cooperative, it is not a democracy. The rules of ownership are as they are stated. If you feel there is something I've left out, please let me know so I can include it. If you feel that some of these rules are overly restrictive, don't buy a share. You will not gain voters rights by purchasing more than one share, but if you feel so inclined you will receive the admiration of your fellow shareholders (to varying degrees), and I'll let you be my friend (for a little while) :) That's it folks. If this doesn't happen, it just wasn't supposed to right now and I will bow out. If it does, we will have a nifty tire changing machine that will afford the luxury of about 15 minutes of effort and minimal sweat and cursing to change a tire. TIA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 13:20:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06636 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00325 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12787 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 206; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:19:56 -0400 Message-ID: <35FD505E.F9791CB7@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:20:30 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , DC Cycles List CC: Tracy Horstman Subject: Re: The Squid inside References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B972@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I'm envious. Tracy counterleans and punches me in the back even when I lean "mildly". I keep telling her how much fun it is when you get the bike leaned over. She doesn't believe me. :) Horkster McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Are you attempting to insinuate something about the way I ride Dale? :P > Just because I like to USE all the tire I pay for doesn't mean I ride bad.. > :P > > -----Original Message----- > > McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Funny how the bike rides when you have an unfamiliar > > passanger.. when we first started, she kept counter-leaning.. she > was doing > > good by the end though.... > > > > Seat pucker probably built up enough suction by that point, > I would guess. :) > > Horkster > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 13:41:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07455 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00628 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13684 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:38:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:38:11 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Squid Inside Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline RE: The Squid Inside You might ask what a sportbike is doing on the interstate, and I might ask what is the point of taking a Gold Wing only as far as Frederick. Let me answer both questions. In the real world, street bikes have to fulfill all types of roles. There are far more "do-it-all bikes" than those you listed. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the humorous point is that up to 100, on I 270, what is the point of a torture rack? (Err, sport bike) Far too many poseurs in the area zipping up and down interstates and major roads on sport bikes. What's the point? Went to a BMWBMW meeting today in Fredericksburg. On a 17 year old Wing, I was perfectly comfy doing 80+ for extended time. And probably a lot more comfortable than the lad on the sport bike. Plus, I got the radio to listen to. Gone are the days of do it all bikes (with a small handful of exceptions. CB 750, F650, R850, and a few others) If you are going to ride a specialized bike, you may as well use it for its specialized purpose. Hauling ass down the interstate ain't the purpose of a sport bike. Conquering 40 Alt and many of WVa's fine roads is what the sport bike is for. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 13:49:11 1998 Return-Path: khafre@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07891 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-49-124.s124.tnt14.ann.erols.com [207.172.49.124]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01952 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35FD5643.3E9BA039@erols.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:45:39 -0400 From: "John A. Wilson" Reply-To: khafre@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Parking Ticket References: <1306352071-49708199@diehlgraphsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh I am totally modern! Caleb Strockbine wrote: > >The plate number matches. I considered doing the adjudication by mail, but I > >don't trust them to get it right. The violation is only $20 but its the > >principle of matter. I wont be missing out on work because I'm starting > >new job > >the 21st and I'm using the week of the 14th just to bum around so I have the > >time to spare. Besides it could be fun acting irate. > > If "it's the principle of [the] matter" then don't forget to find out > what the fine is for not paying the meter and write a check for that > amount. Unless you've got some of those snazzy modern principles... > > Caleb Strockbine > caleb@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 13:59:24 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08336 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B97A@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: The Squid Inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:57:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" God I'm glad my 87 VFR ain't a REAL sportbike.. means I can safely commute to and from work on the beltway without being flamed.. :P And I can take daytrips to NYC on it too.. and shred the backroads of VA/Wva... funny thing, that VFR is about as close to a do-it-all bike as I can find... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Sean Sullivan Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 1:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; dawn.jon@XXXXXX; ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Squid Inside RE: The Squid Inside You might ask what a sportbike is doing on the interstate, and I might ask what is the point of taking a Gold Wing only as far as Frederick. Let me answer both questions. In the real world, street bikes have to fulfill all types of roles. There are far more "do-it-all bikes" than those you listed. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the humorous point is that up to 100, on I 270, what is the point of a torture rack? (Err, sport bike) Far too many poseurs in the area zipping up and down interstates and major roads on sport bikes. What's the point? Went to a BMWBMW meeting today in Fredericksburg. On a 17 year old Wing, I was perfectly comfy doing 80+ for extended time. And probably a lot more comfortable than the lad on the sport bike. Plus, I got the radio to listen to. Gone are the days of do it all bikes (with a small handful of exceptions. CB 750, F650, R850, and a few others) If you are going to ride a specialized bike, you may as well use it for its specialized purpose. Hauling ass down the interstate ain't the purpose of a sport bike. Conquering 40 Alt and many of WVa's fine roads is what the sport bike is for. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 14:47:34 1998 Return-Path: Pcoleman@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.worldbank.org (smtp02.worldbank.org [138.220.3.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10281 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:47:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Pcoleman@XXXXXX Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01J1ST3ON6E8937BH4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:28:57 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525667F.0065CD31 ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:31:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:30:53 -0400 Subject: RE: The Squid Inside To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525667F.00652719.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK Brian, That's what I say about my Concours! Commute from Gaithersburg to downtown DC 'most every day, ride the superslab 425 miles for a rally in Massachussets, do 2,000 miles of Blue Ridge Parkway and other two lane roads through Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, go out for a a pleasure run on any road around here, in just about any weather conditions. It's damn near the perfect bike if you can only have one. Not that I'm biased, or anything... Perry >God I'm glad my 87 VFR ain't a REAL sportbike.. means I can safely commute >to and from work on the beltway without being flamed.. :P And I can take >daytrips to NYC on it too.. and shred the backroads of VA/Wva... funny >thing, that VFR is about as close to a do-it-all bike as I can find... >Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 15:09:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11478 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02655 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18136 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id MAA07752 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:09:31 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:09:31 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8D59@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:20:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Seat pucker probably built up enough suction by that point, >>I would guess. :) >Are you attempting to insinuate something about the way I >ride Dale? :P >Just because I like to USE all the tire I pay for doesn't >mean I ride bad.. Sounds like a perception problem - the ride quality experienced by the person in control of the scooter may vary considerably from the ride experienced by the pillion. Michael (I trust MY driving implicitly) J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 15:20:11 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12023 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 305; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: <35FD6C62.67BE3172@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:20:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List CC: Pcoleman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid Inside References: <8525667F.00652719.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pcoleman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Brian, > > That's what I say about my Concours! Commute from Gaithersburg to downtown > DC 'most every day, ride the superslab 425 miles for a rally in > Massachussets, do 2,000 miles of Blue Ridge Parkway and other two lane > roads through Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, go > out for a a pleasure run on any road around here, in just about any weather > conditions. It's damn near the perfect bike if you can only have one. Even though I've got 4 bikes at home, what he said! :-) And another lurker steps from the shadows! :) Nice to have another Concours owner on the list, Perry. I grumble from time to time about my Concours (it's hot, and it's got all that damn bodywork on it, and it had a really crappy stock windshield, but long story short, it's done everything I've needed it to do. In style. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 14,857 miles, < 6 months 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 15:30:03 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from brap-2.cais.net (brap-2.cais.net [205.252.14.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12291 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (ppp37.net-A.dc.net [205.252.61.37]) by brap-2.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA07140 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ab01bde02e$a65be680$253dfccd@default> From: "Mike B." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Motorcycle specs. Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:25:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01BDDFF3.F9014960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01BDDFF3.F9014960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy all. Does anyone know of a web site that contains a list of specs for various = motorcycles. I am looking for data such as specifications for engine, = suspension, frame, performance, etc... Perhaps MCN, or one of the other = mags keeps this stuff on a site somewhere. Any Info would be greatly appreciated. Mike B. 98 Zx900R ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01BDDFF3.F9014960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01BDDFF3.F9014960-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 15:38:24 1998 Return-Path: Pcoleman@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.worldbank.org (smtp01.worldbank.org [138.220.3.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12613 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Pcoleman@XXXXXX Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01J1SV3RC27891ZP43@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:26:17 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525667F.006B1B34 ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:29:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:28:45 -0400 Subject: Re: The Squid Inside To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles List Message-id: <8525667F.006AB9E3.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK Horkster, >...really crappy stock windshield... Lose the stock shield and go with the Rifle setup. Mine came with it (I'm the 3rd owner,) with the 17" shield. I replaced it with the 15" because I was looking right through the top edge of the darn thing. I get a bit more wind-blast with the 15", but it's not bad at all. Or, if you're REALLY tall, you could go with the 21" shield. Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 15:45:01 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12981 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 331; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:44:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35FD722B.2B84BFF6@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:44:43 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pcoleman@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: The Squid Inside References: <8525667F.006AB9E3.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pcoleman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Horkster, > > >...really crappy stock windshield... > > Lose the stock shield and go with the Rifle setup. Mine came with it (I'm > the 3rd owner,) with the 17" shield. I replaced it with the 15" because I > was looking right through the top edge of the darn thing. I get a bit more > wind-blast with the 15", but it's not bad at all. I've actually got the 17" at home. Much better, although I wasn't thrilled with the fit of the base on the bike, it was functional. I had to sit up really straight to see over the top, probably not a problem now that I've got bar risers on. Much quieter than stock, but it was too hot for summer use (I am used to riding unfaired bikes) so I ended up cutting down the stock shield. My "summer shield" is now a whopping 3" tall, and I'm happy again. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 15:48:57 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13090 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA04231 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:48:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980914194805.GQVK31405@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:48:05 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: FW: The Squid Inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:48:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bde018$94479cc0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well, my bike (F3) is a real sportbike. Only, I ride it like it a touring bike (49K miles so far). For me, it's very comfortable. So design/intent can have very little to do with actual usage. And who cares anyway??? We ride on two wheels because we like it. Everything else is gravy. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein McCoy, Brian P HQ02 said: God I'm glad my 87 VFR ain't a REAL sportbike.. means I can safely commute to and from work on the beltway without being flamed.. :P And I can take daytrips to NYC on it too.. and shred the backroads of VA/Wva... funny thing, that VFR is about as close to a do-it-all bike as I can find... From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 15:52:37 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13450 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA05243; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:51:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980914195118.GRQM31405@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:51:18 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "CBR List" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: MCN Website Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:51:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bde019$0727e060$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I haven't been able to get to MCN's website for a while. Is www.mcnews.com not the right address?? TIA LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 16:29:50 1998 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (root@XXXXXX [140.162.1.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14854 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11646 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06820 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809142029.QAA06820@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:27:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Funny... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Both the DC-cycles and the NEDOD list have been yapping about squidly behavior today: >Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:21:07 -0400 >From: Bill Yerazunis >To: nedod@XXXXXX >CC: nedod@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Ahhh, what a great morning. >Sender: owner-nedod@XXXXXX >Reply-To: nedod@XXXXXX >X-Copyright-Header: The contents of the NEDOD mailing list are copyright by >Dean Cookson (The List Maintainer) and the individual authors. Reproduction >in any form is forbidden without the express written consent of the article >authors (in the case of individual postings) or The List Maintainer (in the >case of any compilation, archive or digest). > > > From: Paul English > > Ah.. well.. toss all that moral framework stuff (although I thought it was > right), and.. well.. I would feel might guilty if I was squidbaiting, and > the the poor luser autodarwinated. I would probably use all sorts of > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >I nominate this as the "New Word Of The Day! > > -Crash -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 16:37:33 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15296 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:36:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:36:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Are we missing something here Jack? What happened to big 170? See below: Glenn Well, one suggestion of King Street is a good one. Usually on Wed and Thurs nights. Another place is Hanes Point in DC on Sunday around noon. It is mostly sportbikers and they arent much fun to ride with. I went up there one day and someone was like "lets ride!". "Cool, lets go" I thought. Well no one told me that these guys idea of "riding" was jumping on 395 S and hauling ass down the HOV lane at warp speed (I looked at my TLs speedo and it was registering 170. Once HOV ran out everyone split up and went home. Yikes. Id avoid it. > -----Original Message----- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 12:07 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: The Squid inside > > In a message dated 9/14/98 11:15:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > mike@XXXXXX > writes: > > << > I did my top speed (so far) of 120 the other night. > > While we're in true confessions mode - I watched the black beast go > through > 135 (indicated) whilst still accelerating somewhat briskly. I don't have > a > clue where it would have stopped, but I do know when I did. >> > > Three weeks ago I hit my all time high......160+ showing on the speedo. > Good > for about 155 in real speed since the TLS speedo is very accurate. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 16:52:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15869 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04433 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23297 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:52:32 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WRTSa11930 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <320a2ab1.35fd81e1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:51:45 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/14/98 4:45:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Are we missing something here Jack? What happened to big 170? See below: Glenn >> Right on both accounts. I was only able to glance down at the speedo when on 395. Looked around 170....cant be sure. I did get a good look the other day and it was at 162-164. Basically you are nitpicking a rounded number. Typical Glenn, just typical. Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 17:46:27 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18211 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA01435; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980914205424.GOGM18768@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:54:24 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Linda Tanner" , "CBR List" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: MCN Website Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:53:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bde021$c8ef23e0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001301bde019$0727e060$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> That's it. Their server is either non-functioning, or someone has made a boo-boo, fiddling with any number of things to screw a connection. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Tanner [mailto:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 3:51 PM > To: CBR List; Dc-Cycles > Subject: MCN Website > > > I haven't been able to get to MCN's website for a while. Is > www.mcnews.com > not the right address?? > > TIA > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) > I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. > "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, > and I'm not > sure about the former." > > - Albert Einstein > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 18:06:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19072 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05626 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27133 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:06:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id ACGFa25247; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9ed5e1f2.35fd933a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:05:46 EDT To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, mdpetty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/14/98 12:07:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX writes: << tell ya, leaning into the tank REALLY helps get the speed up. >> In the old days (when fairings were rare) we would also grab the left fork tube as we laid on the tank to really get aerodynamic. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 18:07:53 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19326 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:07:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id FHMIa18399; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28cae28e.35fd924b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:01:47 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Summit Racing was-->Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/14/98 11:12:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << A special thanks to all those that stopped by to say howdy and cheer me on. >> Actually, I was going to say hi and contgratulate you on Sunday but though i recognized the bike (gold with red fender), I don't know your face so I thought it might have been rude to wake the only male around the bike who was sleeping. Though you might have seen (or probably heard) a yellow Norton riding by. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 23:14:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02343 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08990 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04086 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf166.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.166]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id XAA26392; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00bf01bde056$da61e560$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" , "Yamaha List" Subject: Pictures from Summit Point Sunday Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:13:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I didn't arrive until late, but managed to get a few photos. Wish it wasn't over for the year. Just go to my website below, and click on SUMMIT POINT. Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 23:17:42 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02420 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr37-dialup39.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EZB006BI2G7YW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:16:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:13:37 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: The Squid inside To: DC Cycle Club , NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-id: <002801bde06f$fac5ca60$274c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 I guess I took your story completely the wrong way. My reaction to your story got a bit personal. Bad week. I guess I shouldn't take my frustrations out on my fellow 2 wheeled riders. Maybe it's the sudden rise of temp. after that perfect week of mid 70's........ I have to admit, though, I feel a lot better. 8^) Jon "public enemy #1" -----Original Message----- From: NJitzul@XXXXXX To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 7:13 PM Subject: Re: The Squid inside >wow...eeasy there Jon. I was not aiming to offend Squids, or whatever you care >to be called. I wasn't trying to race, but I have taken my "old standard >upright cruiser" (are you trying to say it's less capable than your bike?) >into triple digits. My bike is very capable of speeds well enuf over 100mph. >I'm not proud, and I'm not bragging. You completely missed the point of my >mesage. It's this type of over-reaction that is slowly dividing the motorcycle >community. The reason I matched speed with this guy is that I wanted to see >how long I could stay with him. My old cruiser has some "get up and go" and I >wanted to see how much it had with something decent to compare it too. I >understand about preferences and all that. I don't condone nor condemn what, >where, how, and what you wear when you ride. And don't call me old... I doubt >you're younger than me!! Just settle down. I done't intend to offend, just >stating the facts as I saw them. > >Robert VanSlyke >83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 23:29:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02849 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09139 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04433 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr37-dialup39.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EZB008KD2ZR2C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:28:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:24:37 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: The Squid inside (and trip report) To: Mike T , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003301bde071$9e716600$274c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Jon - A Squid isnt just a sportbike rider. Its someone who rides above >their limits in Teva's, jean shorts and a muscle shirt (along with a $600 >custom graphic helmet) while passing cages on the shoulder through a >turning lane at 160 Mph. Basically a squid is an ass of one kind or >another: asshole or dumbass. Type of bike interchangable, but very often >an intense fiberglass rice burner. > >(Mike closes his Webster's MC Dictionary) Good point and explanation. I see more people riding their harley's dressed like this, though. What are they called? Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 23:32:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02927 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09162 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04470 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id XAA22498; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-54-38.s38.tnt16.brd.erols.com(207.172.54.38) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma022494; Mon, 14 Sep 98 23:30:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980914233116.01132928@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:31:24 -0400 To: "Jon S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: The Squid inside (and trip report) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Good point and explanation. I see more people riding their harley's >dressed like this, though. What are they called? SIR. hehehe Good point in return :-) ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org SYMPTOM: Floor blurred. FAULT: You are looking through bottom of empty glass. ACTION: Get someone to buy you another beer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 23:52:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03795 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09343 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04876 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr37-dialup39.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EZB009LR43001@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:52:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:48:53 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: The Squid inside To: George Howell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003401bde074$e8880b60$274c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 George, You know the saying "to each his own". You don't see the point in sportbikes and I don't see the point in lazy boy bikes(err, couch with 2 wheels). What's so fun about slabbing it down a straight road, lugging around on a 1k pound bike? Listening to a radio? I can do all this in a CAR! Almost any bike can be a do-it-all bike. Look a Sean Sullivan/Linda Tanner's CBR's. Sportbikes that can be set up to carry luggage. They've been cross-country on those "torture racks" and they've been shredding in WVA back roads. I've also seen bikes with saddle bags(xx, gsx1100, magna, hawk, etc.) cut up some back roads too. Sportbikes are very comfortable, granted you need to be somewhat flexible and athletic to ride one, but I think I would fall asleep on a Goldwing. Sportbikes are exciting, agile, quick, cruisers are slow, overweight, and boring. Kinda like having a convertible Lincon. The only excitement is having the wind blow in your face......... Jon "running my mouth again" -----Original Message----- From: George Howell To: Jon S. ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 7:06 PM Subject: RE: The Squid inside >I think the humorous point is that up to 100, on I 270, what is the point of >a torture rack? (Err, sport bike) Far too many poseurs in the area zipping >up and down interstates and major roads on sport bikes. What's the point? >Went to a BMWBMW meeting today in Fredericksburg. On a 17 year old Wing, I >was perfectly comfy doing 80+ for extended time. And probably a lot more >comfortable than the lad on the sport bike. Plus, I got the radio to listen >to. > >Gone are the days of do it all bikes (with a small handful of exceptions. CB >750, F650, R850, and a few others) If you are going to ride a specialized >bike, you may as well use it for its specialized purpose. Hauling ass down >the interstate ain't the purpose of a sport bike. Conquering 40 Alt and many >of WVa's fine roads is what the sport bike is for. > >> Maybe some >> of us sportbike riders will start telling stories about smoking >> old guys on >> standard bikes, who try and keep up. It can go both ways. > >Only if Glenn gets to tell us stories about dusting guys on his Sabre (?). >I'd really hate to follow him on the VFR800... > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 14 23:56:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04081 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09368 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04901 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr37-dialup39.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EZB0097J482OY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:55:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:51:56 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Squidly behavior - only for young guys on sport bikes? And...a funnyquote! To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003b01bde075$54edada0$274c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >My Dad could probably be considered an 'old guy' on a standard.....I can't >speak for him or issue any challenges on his behalf.....but it would probably >get pretty hairy for the sportbike rider. Any response, oh-Father-of-mine? > >-Sean Jordan I've seen your father ride on his gsx1100, he's gets that big bike through the turns pretty fast............. Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 00:12:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04648 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10209 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05136 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:12:09 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WBEPa16073 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <23ee4704.35fde8f2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:11:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside (and trip report) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-09-15 00:09:34 EDT, you write: << Good point and explanation. I see more people riding their harley's >dressed like this, though. What are they called? SIR. >> Id certainly call them SIR after they have withstood all the hot oil squirting from the engine case onto their legs. I think they deserve a little respect. Jack PS- game, set, and match From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 00:20:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05066 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10335 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05265 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr37-dialup39.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EZB008NW5CC17@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:19:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:16:05 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: The Squid inside (and trip report) To: Mike T , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <005f01bde078$b516a760$274c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 ->> Good point and explanation. I see more people riding their harley's >>dressed like this, though. What are they called? > >SIR. > >hehehe > >Good point in return :-) >______________________________________ > Mike Troutman Should I ask what "SIR" stands for? Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 00:48:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06235 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10555 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05649 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:45:30 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Sean Sullivan" , , Subject: RE: The Squid Inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:45:00 -0400 Message-ID: <005201bde063$989c34c0$3180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Examples? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > There are far more "do-it-all bikes" than those you listed. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 00:50:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06316 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10575 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05681 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:47:21 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , , Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:46:52 -0400 Message-ID: <005301bde063$dbb07280$3180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9ed5e1f2.35fd933a@aol.com> You and Rollie Free both, I bet:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > << tell ya, leaning into the tank REALLY helps get the speed up. >> > In the old days (when fairings were rare) we would also grab the left fork > tube as we laid on the tank to really get aerodynamic. > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 00:54:13 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA06326 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA00209; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:50:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:48:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Ya Didn't Miss Anything To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hey all, Well,I got the Fat Boy today.You guys didn't miss much.The cheesy little weeners didn't have any special thing going.The bike was up on a stand in front of a banner with balloons on it.No food,no fancy set up,nada.The only media was a guy from either the Post or Times(I was told he was front the Times,but someone else said he was from the Post). They said the Budweiser girls were gonna be there,and nix on that too.:-P They did take some pictures that should be on the Harley website. Two guys from the list were there;Dave(right?I'm horrible with names) and a guy who's name I didn't get in a blue Aerostich w/white RF200 helmet.I think they were trying to sell Dave a Buell,I gave him a warn- off on that. And the Fat Boy is definitely getting sold.It's a nice enough bike, but it's not me.The floorboards felt really weird,and the rear brake is impossible to use right with that car peddle.I've only had it up to 55,but I can tell it's gonna buzz if I get it up to highway speeds.It is really comfortable(180 deg from the Buell),but you pay for the cushy suspension in the curves. Well,that's all from me for awhile.I'm going on leave,so I'll be gone for the next couple weeks.See ya'll later. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 00:56:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06339 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10653 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05750 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:53:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jon S." , Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: <005401bde064$ac8e4bc0$3180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003401bde074$e8880b60$274c37a6@default> > Sportbikes are very comfortable, granted you need to be somewhat > flexible and athletic to ride one, but I think I would fall asleep on a > Goldwing. Sportbikes are exciting, agile, quick, cruisers are slow, > overweight, and boring. Kinda like having a convertible Lincon. The only > excitement is having the wind blow in your face......... You haven't lived until you've got an 800 lb (fully loaded. I've got a 1100, not one of the big 15's) Wing sliding in a corner with the footboards slowly being grinded away by Rt. 50 through WVa. It's a lot easier to push the Wing to it's limits. Which is good. Makes me feel I've done something without pushing beyond MY limits. And at 6'1", 270 lbs, there are few places where I'd be considered 'athletic'. > You know the saying "to each his own". Like you said. I'd rather not get into the racing crouch for the two mile drive to work. Or when I'm just out admiring the view. BTW, I do see the point in sportbikes. Just not in running the slab. Seems pointless to me. My other bike is a K11RS (okay, a sport tourer, and, relatively speaking, on the touring side of that, compared to most any supersport). But while it handles slab with great aplomb, I'd much rather be using the midrange in the mountains. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 00:58:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06685 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10677 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05799 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:58:54 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WZLAa24184 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5503f519.35fdf3d8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:58:00 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Truce? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Wow, what a flame war I started! I really hadn't intended to offend anyone on the list. Judging by those I've met, the riders from this list are not squids. Everyone seems to ride responsibly and/or dress appropriately. The original intent of my message was a confession of my own squidly desire to race (or simply keep up with) another bike. That desire is out of my system (well, I would like to go tearing around a track someday for the hell of it :) and life goes on (fortunately!). I now understand that if I don't excercise a little self-control, my darker (read dumber) side comes out fast. Live and learn, with the emphasis being on living! Anyway, sorry to throw a stone in the waters! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 01:16:00 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA07258 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:02:43 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Ya Didn't Miss Anything Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <005501bde065$ffa89940$3180e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Wish I coulda made it. But, my girlfriend went and got hit by a car while on her bicycle today, so, I've been a little busy today (honey-do's times 10!) Yeah, she's okay. Bruised and scraped all to hell. Bike (Trek 720) might be a wash. Neighbor got it for me when I went to the scene. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 06:05:35 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19962 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:04:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:04:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Overweight? Not true of all cruisers. I'd say my cruiser weighs less then most sportbikes. At 399 dry its pretty damn light. Not only that but it handles fairly well. Ask anyone on the list that's rode it. Of course its not a typical cruiser being a V4 and only 500cc. Like I said watch what you say about other types of bikes. You just might have one of those heavy, slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the turns one day. Glenn > Sportbikes are exciting, agile, quick, cruisers are slow, > overweight, and boring. Kinda like having a convertible Lincon. The only > excitement is having the wind blow in your face......... > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 06:53:52 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA22000 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:53:47 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA17120; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809151055.GAA17120@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: The Squid inside To: Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" at Sep 15, 98 06:04:30 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Overweight? Not true of all cruisers. I'd say my cruiser weighs less then > most sportbikes. At 399 dry its pretty damn light. Not only that but it > handles fairly well. Ask anyone on the list that's rode it. Of course its > not a typical cruiser being a V4 and only 500cc. Like I said watch what you > say about other types of bikes. You just might have one of those heavy, > slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the turns one day. > > Glenn > Other old Magnas were also very nice. I rode a 84 750 for two years, and that was a fun bike... I second Glen's statement - it is not the bike. It is the rider. > > > > Sportbikes are exciting, agile, quick, cruisers are slow, > > overweight, and boring. Kinda like having a convertible Lincon. The only > > excitement is having the wind blow in your face......... > > > > > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 07:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22150 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:02:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id BVMSa12057; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7c778ef6.35fe4904@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:01:24 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 6:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << You just might have one of those heavy, slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the turns one day. >> A rather unlikely event, taking corners at the highest speed possible is what the engineers design sportbikes for. A corner taken at a speed that is the at the maximum handling limit for a cruiser type motorcycle is well within the handling limits of a sportbike. A sportbike will also accelerate out of a corner quicker when the danger of low-siding is over. So an excellent rider with a cruiser is often hard-pressed to keep up with an average rider on a sportbike. It's all a matter of steering geometry, tires, suspension, weight distribution, brakes and power to weight ratio. It's like telling a guy with a Corvette he better watch out for a Cadillac in the corners. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 07:16:32 1998 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (mberman@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22930 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id HAA02291; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:15:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:15:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Possible Help Request Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I will be moving from Silver Spring Olney next weekend (26Sep) hopefully. My GPz still has no clutch in it (though the parts are now on order, for about ~$325...ouch). Would anyone be around with a pick up or a trailer that could help me move the GPz from Silver Spring to Olney? We're supposed to close on the 24th, so anytime between the 25th and 28th would be great. If we decide to do the move ourselvers and not use a moving company, I will be able to load the GPz into U-haul and won't need a hand. Thanks, -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 07:19:25 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22940 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:18:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Its nothing like comparing a Cadillac to a Corvette unless your comparing a Fat Boy to an R1. There are some cruisers that do pretty well in the handling department (my V30) and others that have goobs of power (V65 Magna). Your think the bike makes up that much difference? Your wrong, it is the rider. Take any fairly tight road such as 33 or 250 and their are plenty of riders with older cruisers that will dust your "average" sportbike rider. For instance I notice I can take my Magna into the very tight corners faster then the VFR. Maybe its the weight or size or maybe its because I'm not used to it yet. The bottom line is the majority of (especially) sport bike riders (because the limits of the machine are so high) can't take their bikes anywhere near its limits. I've been on many many DC Cycles rides and I have seen it first hand. Don't believe me? Ask others on the list. Some of the sport bike riders on this list can't even keep the rubber side down half the time. It seems like every other day a one of them had some other stupid accident. The bottom line is it is the rider and not the machine (in most cases). If you think its the machine you are clueless. Glenn > A rather unlikely event, taking corners at the highest speed possible is > what > the engineers design sportbikes for. A corner taken at a speed that is > the at > the maximum handling limit for a cruiser type motorcycle is well within > the > handling limits of a sportbike. A sportbike will also accelerate out of a > corner quicker when the danger of low-siding is over. So an excellent > rider > with a cruiser is often hard-pressed to keep up with an average rider on a > sportbike. It's all a matter of steering geometry, tires, suspension, > weight > distribution, brakes and power to weight ratio. It's like telling a guy > with > a Corvette he better watch out for a Cadillac in the corners. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 07:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24211 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:44:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:44:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Nitpicking? No, just trying to get the facts straight. I guess in a couple weeks it will be 180 or 200? maybe there is no end to "your top speed". Glenn > Right on both accounts. I was only able to glance down at the speedo when > on > 395. Looked around 170....cant be sure. I did get a good look the other > day > and it was at 162-164. Basically you are nitpicking a rounded number. > Typical Glenn, just typical. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 07:54:07 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24290 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:54:06 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 15 Sep 1998 07:54:03 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 15 Sep 1998 07:54:03 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0122435FE555B00C-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0122435FE555B00C Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0122435FE555B00C*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 15 Sep 1998 07:54:03 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "Boiade@XXXXXX" , "Dysart@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Message-Id: <0122435FE555B00C*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Fred, You've have obviously never seen Glenn hustle his Magna through the corners, maybe you should go watch him one day. You would be more than surprised at how he gets that thing through the twisties. For the vast majority of people it is the rider, not the bike that will determine how fast the bike will get through a corner. My .02 Don B -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 7:14 AM To: Dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid inside In a message dated 9/15/98 6:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << You just might have one of those heavy, slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the turns one day. >> A rather unlikely event, taking corners at the highest speed possible is what the engineers design sportbikes for. A corner taken at a speed that is the at the maximum handling limit for a cruiser type motorcycle is well within the handling limits of a sportbike. A sportbike will also accelerate out of a corner quicker when the danger of low-siding is over. So an excellent rider with a cruiser is often hard-pressed to keep up with an average rider on a sportbike. It's all a matter of steering geometry, tires, suspension, weight distribution, brakes and power to weight ratio. It's like telling a guy with a Corvette he better watch out for a Cadillac in the corners. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 08:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25484 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:18:48 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B987@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:16:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Fred, I don't have any idea how you ride, I suspect you're capable enough though. Far above what I would consider average (considering the sheer numbers of kids who buy their bikes and the only do town and interstates). I do know how Glen rides (with a V30 Magna.. um, cruiserish), and he was only really lacking in the engine department for the acceleration coming out of corners.. Typically hanging almost with some of the best street riders I know of in this area.. His statement wasn't that of bikes, it was one stating that a more experienced rider, on what is, agreeably, a less cabable bike, may blow the pants off you on your new ZX-9r/R1/etc.. -----Original Message----- A rather unlikely event, taking corners at the highest speed possible is what the engineers design sportbikes for. A corner taken at a speed that is the at the maximum handling limit for a cruiser type motorcycle is well within the handling limits of a sportbike. A sportbike will also accelerate out of a corner quicker when the danger of low-siding is over. So an excellent rider with a cruiser is often hard-pressed to keep up with an average rider on a sportbike. It's all a matter of steering geometry, tires, suspension, weight distribution, brakes and power to weight ratio. It's like telling a guy with a Corvette he better watch out for a Cadillac in the corners. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 08:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25923 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Morris Berman'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Possible Help Request Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:27:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I can probably help you one of those days. Most likely the 25th or the 27th. Let me know when it gets closer to the dates. Glenn > I will be moving from Silver Spring Olney next weekend (26Sep) > hopefully. My GPz still has no clutch in it (though the parts are now on > order, for about ~$325...ouch). Would anyone be around with a pick up or > a trailer that could help me move the GPz from Silver Spring to Olney? > We're supposed to close on the 24th, so anytime between the 25th and 28th > would be great. > > If we decide to do the move ourselvers and not use a moving company, I > will be able to load the GPz into U-haul and won't need a hand. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 08:37:01 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26072 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p17dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.49]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA27341; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:36:38 -0400 Message-ID: <027201bde0a5$75462980$39f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , , Subject: Re: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:36:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Fred: You are apparently on a roll the last couple days running your mouth. The ZX list and now DC Cycles? Come on the Princeton,WV trip the first week in October and show us how good you really are. There will be a few average sportbike riders on that trip who just might give you some exhaust fumes to breathe. -----Original Message----- From: To: ; Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 7:07 AM Subject: Re: The Squid inside >In a message dated 9/15/98 6:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >Dysart@XXXXXX writes: > ><< You just might have one of those heavy, > slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the turns one day. > >> > >A rather unlikely event, taking corners at the highest speed possible is what >the engineers design sportbikes for. A corner taken at a speed that is the at >the maximum handling limit for a cruiser type motorcycle is well within the >handling limits of a sportbike. A sportbike will also accelerate out of a >corner quicker when the danger of low-siding is over. So an excellent rider >with a cruiser is often hard-pressed to keep up with an average rider on a >sportbike. It's all a matter of steering geometry, tires, suspension, weight >distribution, brakes and power to weight ratio. It's like telling a guy with >a Corvette he better watch out for a Cadillac in the corners. > >Ciao, > >Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 09:36:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28657 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15762 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12418 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:36:15 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WENMa24183 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9ed85dca.35fe6d2f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:35:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 7:55:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Nitpicking? No, just trying to get the facts straight. I guess in a couple weeks it will be 180 or 200? maybe there is no end to "your top speed". >> Glenn, Yeah, maybe like the fact that there is no end to your fat mouth and the bullshit that spews forth from it. Why dont you get off your high (VERY TALL) ass horse and act normal like the rest of us? Do you find joy in trying to belittle everyone else on the list? Is that it? Are you soooo superior to us? Get a life man and stop trying to insult everyone, because it only pisses everyone off. This is a nice list, too bad you are the only asshole on it. And on another subject, your little 500cc "may" be able to take a "small" lead on a sportbike because it weighs so little in "some" "tight" corners but what are you gonna do when the road straightens out for even a split second? Most likely be looking at a set of D207s kicking up pebbles in your face (especially if its a VTwin). You aint Miguel Duhamel so stop acting like you are a racer or something. **One other thing to the list, Im withdrawing my $$$ toward the tire changer because I could not stand to have to go to this man's house and be around him. Hate me if you will but Im fed up with him. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 09:43:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29045 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15874 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12675 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WYSMa18399 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:42:58 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Squidly - twisty roads Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 One question I have is since when were all roads twisty? I understand the point that a capable rider on a less capable bike, etc., etc., but if you aint got the HP you AINT GOT THE HP and I dont care if Jason Pridmore is riding that little 250/500/650/??? any straight line in the road and its BYE BYE to that low power bike. Now THAT'S what sportbikes are designed for. Its not just cornering but accelerating OUT of that corner and cranking it up until you reach the NEXT corner. Im sorry but I dont care HOW good of a rider you are, you will not win. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 09:47:11 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29124 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA13465; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980915134634.JCHW18768@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:46:34 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:46:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bde0af$2e6c73c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7c778ef6.35fe4904@aol.com> And to this I say phhhht :p I'm no expert rider, but I've out paced a number of 'average' sport bikers on my (now sold) VT500c Shadow. I don't give a rat's tail-end if they CAN out accelerate me in a straight, nor do I respect it. If that's why I rode a motorcycle, then I'd be in the poor house every year buying the absolute highest HP I could. That's squid riding. In other words, you can engineer the bike to ride upside down and some people will never see the limit. I'll put my money on the skills of a rider over the bike anyday (and I'm not talking about a moped against an R1 situation either). Todd Fred wrote: > In a message dated 9/15/98 6:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Dysart@XXXXXX writes: > > << You just might have one of those heavy, > slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the turns one day. > >> > > A rather unlikely event, taking corners at the highest speed > possible is what > the engineers design sportbikes for. A corner taken at a speed > that is the at > the maximum handling limit for a cruiser type motorcycle is well > within the > handling limits of a sportbike. A sportbike will also accelerate out of a > corner quicker when the danger of low-siding is over. So an > excellent rider > with a cruiser is often hard-pressed to keep up with an average rider on a > sportbike. It's all a matter of steering geometry, tires, > suspension, weight > distribution, brakes and power to weight ratio. It's like > telling a guy with > a Corvette he better watch out for a Cadillac in the corners. > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 09:58:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29551 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16015 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13086 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01608; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197918@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:59:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Depends on how far of a straight line you're considering. A while back, I borrowed John Koh's 94 VFR 750 for a ride with a few guys, including Craig and Glenn (two of the faster riders i've met on the street). The VFR isn't exactly a cruiser, but it is a lot heavier than the TL, has poor ground clearance, and I'd guess at least 25+ less horsepower. On our trip trhough 211, 33, and 250 I don't ever recall being blown away...in fact, on 211 where the curves are a tad more open, I was making Craig work a little. He got even though, cause on the tight sections of 250 where the camber switch makes for a huge hump, he was working me and I was having to push the poor VFR really hard to keep up (not to mention tagging that stupid center standmore than a fwe times) Gawd, I can't believe I just opened my mouth on this one.... no more from me :) Collin From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 09:58:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29561 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16022 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13109 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-06.dial.nova.org (pm1-06.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.134]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA18358; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Squidly - twisty roads Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:58:32 GMT Message-ID: <360e6fab.562693579@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:42:58 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >One question I have is since when were all roads twisty? All roads are certainly not twisty. However, corners are where skill is a factor (not to say that something like drag racing doesn't require skill - just whacking the throttle open is another story...). Cornering is where fun can be had while staying within the limits of the law (e.g., US250 has a speed limit of 55, even on the corners). >any straight line in the road and its BYE BYE to that low power bike. This attitude is one generally associated with squids. >Its not just cornering but accelerating OUT of that corner and cranking >it up until you reach the NEXT corner. There is certainly truth to this but that has very little to do with street riding. Actually, it doesn't have much to do with most racing either. While, within a given class, all the folks attempt to get as much straight line performance as they can they still worry more about rider skill and the thrill of the corners. Why do you think bikes like Hawks and EX500s are such popular race bikes? Sure, they're generally cheaper than bigger, newer bikes. However, they provide the essential element of sport riding - fun, fast cornering. >Im sorry but I dont care HOW good of a rider you are, you will not win. I didn't realize there was a competition. I'm sure that Glenn (the instigator of this for you) wouldn't be interested in a street race in any event. I know he's a responsible rider who's stays within his limits and street racing has no place for someone like that. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:04:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29923 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16115 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13290 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256680.004D3446 ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:03:16 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256680.004BF4AF.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:03:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Squidly - twisty roads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline but if you aint got the HP you AINT GOT THE HP and I dont care if Jason Pridmore is riding that little 250/500/650/??? That's a pretty sweeping assertion Jack. One of the best races I ever had the pleasure to witness was up in Pennsylvania at the Pocono Nascar track. And it was between a guy on a 1100 sized sport bike and a 12 year old kid on a 250. They swapped the lead at least 6 times every lap. And the kid on his little 250 ended up beating the guy on the 1100. That 80 pound kid on his extremely light weight bike, more than made up for the difference in horsepower between the two bikes. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:06:11 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00119 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-179.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.179]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA19289 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:07:42 -0400 Message-ID: <35FE7441.D7F7D10@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:05:53 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid inside References: <7c778ef6.35fe4904@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Dysart@XXXXXX writes: > << You just might have one of those heavy, > slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the turns one day. > >> > Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > A rather unlikely event, . . . . snip > It's like telling a guy with > a Corvette he better watch out for a Cadillac in the corners. Now here I've got to disagree. Jack, Collin and Glenn will keep up in the corners. The bike doesn't matter (much). Yes, they will go faster with a sportbike than a cruiser, but on the 4th of July weekend, my sportbike couldn't keep up with Glenn's cruiser, and the VFR800 was behind both of us. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:07:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00135 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16161 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13360 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B98C@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:05:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As someone that shall be unnamed (unless they choose to come forth and claim it) said...... "Hmmm, he all but screams out, "ME SQUID, HEAR ME ROAR!" I can't stay ahead of you in the corners but you'll feel my wrath on the first straightaway!" Seems to fit perfectly IMHO. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- One question I have is since when were all roads twisty? I understand the point that a capable rider on a less capable bike, etc., etc., but if you aint got the HP you AINT GOT THE HP and I dont care if Jason Pridmore is riding that little 250/500/650/??? any straight line in the road and its BYE BYE to that low power bike. Now THAT'S what sportbikes are designed for. Its not just cornering but accelerating OUT of that corner and cranking it up until you reach the NEXT corner. Im sorry but I dont care HOW good of a rider you are, you will not win. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:07:30 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00147 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01967; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:06:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197919@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Boiade@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "'Brian McCoy'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:06:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Unless that moped is an RS125 ;-) he he he > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 9:54 AM > To: Boiade@XXXXXX; Dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: The Squid inside > > (and I'm not talking about a moped against > an R1 situation either). > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:15:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00627 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16288 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13661 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zIvsh-0000hQ-01; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:15:00 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:13:27 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A287@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Fagan, Collin LTJG'" , "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:11:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Take it from a relatively new rider, it IS the rider, not the bike. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LTJG [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 9:59 AM > To: 'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads > > Depends on how far of a straight line you're considering. > A while back, I borrowed John Koh's 94 VFR 750 for a ride with a few > guys, > including Craig and Glenn (two of the faster riders i've met on the > street). > The VFR isn't exactly a cruiser, but it is a lot heavier than the TL, > has > poor ground clearance, and I'd guess at least 25+ less horsepower. On > our > trip trhough 211, 33, and 250 I don't ever recall being blown > away...in > fact, on 211 where the curves are a tad more open, I was making Craig > work a > little. He got even though, cause on the tight sections of 250 where > the > camber switch makes for a huge hump, he was working me and I was > having to > push the poor VFR really hard to keep up (not to mention tagging that > stupid > center standmore than a fwe times) > > > Gawd, I can't believe I just opened my mouth on this one.... no more > from me > :) > > Collin > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:23:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01001 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16419 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13986 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:22:59 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 15 Sep 1998 10:22:57 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 15 Sep 1998 10:22:57 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 00C4235FE784100C-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 00C4235FE784100C Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <00C4235FE784100C*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 15 Sep 1998 10:22:57 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads Message-Id: <00C4235FE784100C*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Jack, Please grow up! Police officers and ambulances are for guys like you. On twisty roads straights aren't for seeing how fast you can go and slamming on the brakes for the next turn. The point isn't really isn't how fast you can go in a straight line, but to get your speed set for the next corner, anyone with/without any skill can go fast in a straight line. All it takes is a twist of the wrist and some horsepower. Try reading "the Pace" by Nick Ienatsch http://www.xnet.com/~scottll/the_pace.htm is one place to find it. I think it is on Kirk's Hawk Rally site as well. And I could really care less if you TL could go 170 or warp speed in a straight line. I'll go back to being quiet now. Don B -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 9:55 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Squidly - twisty roads One question I have is since when were all roads twisty? I understand the point that a capable rider on a less capable bike, etc., etc., but if you aint got the HP you AINT GOT THE HP and I dont care if Jason Pridmore is riding that little 250/500/650/??? any straight line in the road and its BYE BYE to that low power bike. Now THAT'S what sportbikes are designed for. Its not just cornering but accelerating OUT of that corner and cranking it up until you reach the NEXT corner. Im sorry but I dont care HOW good of a rider you are, you will not win. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:30:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01145 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16513 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14180 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA14343; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:29:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980915142927.JNDQ18768@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:29:27 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:28:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bde0b5$2c671f20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: It's only BYE BYE until the next set of corners though Jack. I've seen it so many times I can't ignore it. The first time I went to Princeton WV (excellent road riding area BTW), I was riding with about 5 others from Ohio. We came to a T-intersection and three obvious squid-boys came from our left and past down rt311. Straight line baby and we just KNEW what they would do. Full on throttle! We were riding pace, no more than 70mph at anytime, and just took it that way to the mountain. Once in the twisties we passed,...one squid-boy,... second squid-boy (actually waved us on, I think he was nervous), and almost made it to number three until we hit a straight. Know what? He took off. Man I just laughed. We never made it to the next set of twisties to prove my theory, but it seems more than obvious dontcha think? Oh, btw, I was riding my CB750 which might have all of 55hp...a beast ;) Todd > > One question I have is since when were all roads twisty? I understand the > point that a capable rider on a less capable bike, etc., etc., > but if you aint > got the HP you AINT GOT THE HP and I dont care if Jason Pridmore is riding > that little 250/500/650/??? any straight line in the road and its > BYE BYE to > that low power bike. Now THAT'S what sportbikes are designed > for. Its not > just cornering but accelerating OUT of that corner and cranking > it up until > you reach the NEXT corner. Im sorry but I dont care HOW good of > a rider you > are, you will not win. > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:42:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01599 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16665 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14577 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:39:27 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:42:04 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Squidly - twisty roads -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Can't believe I'm jumping in here, but after my weekend at Summit with the least-powerful bike on the track, I've got an opinion: In the tight stuff, a decent rider on a small, light bike can kick some big-bore butt. On the front straight, I had guys going by me with 30-40mph in hand (even though I was flat on the tank, left hand on the fork tube), and by turn 5 I was a 2-stroke suppository for the same three guys--they had bad lines thru the carousel, so I could get by in some cases on the OUTSIDE of 7. I'm no Jason Pridmore, and I ain't too small, but those guys were experiencing testicular shrinkage starting in The Chute, and left a lot of air under their pegs in 5 thru 7, where my pegs were smoking. In this case, my late braking in the entrances was negating superior acceleration in the exits. Same lesson as when I was a wee MX'n sprout--IT'S THE RIDER. Joe POS RD 400F >>> - 9/15/98 10:03 AM >>> but if you aint got the HP you AINT GOT THE HP and I dont care if Jason Pridmore is riding that little 250/500/650/??? That's a pretty sweeping assertion Jack. One of the best races I ever had the pleasure to witness was up in Pennsylvania at the Pocono Nascar track. And it was between a guy on a 1100 sized sport bike and a 12 year old kid on a 250. They swapped the lead at least 6 times every lap. And the kid on his little 250 ended up beating the guy on the 1100. That 80 pound kid on his extremely light weight bike, more than made up for the difference in horsepower between the two bikes. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:48:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01960 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16745 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14753 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:47:49 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WPLa026915 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40e3c869.35fe7de8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:47:04 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Typical, just typical.....a person purposely does his best to try to embarrass someone else by digging up email from a month ago (Glenn, do you really save those emails? jeeez....get a life man) and I respond and IM the bad guy. Well, personally Brian I couldn't give two shits what you think happened in GTown. Kinda funny you talking about sliding rear ends when you ride a moped. How would you know? So like I said, hey, think what you want, free country. I just think Glenn should shut his mouth and say something useful instead of always talking about how other riders aren't as good as he is (which is basically what he says). I know Im not the only one on this list that thinks he should shut up and keep his belittling opinions to himself. Oh yeah, what I do to my bike is no ones business but mine. Then again Im sure its easy to adjust valves when you got one little cylinder right Brian? Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:48:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01963 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16748 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14761 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:45:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:44:50 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "do-it-all bikes" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: "do-it-all bikes" As I mentioned, I think most every streetbike has a bunch of roles to fulfill and therefore serves as a do-it-all bike. I could try to list all of the streetbikes, but I think it would take less time to list those few race-focused, expensive, often monoposto machines that do not make good everyday bikes, such as Ducati's 916 and even more extreme machines. Older Suzuki GSX-Rs or Kawasaki ZX-7RRs seem to have a seating position that prevents their riders from spending a long time in the saddle. Otherwise, look at the tremendous variety around you. From my limited experience riding with DC-Cycles: You want sportbikes? Linda took her F3 to Las Vegas and back, which involved long days on the interstate as well as curving mountain roads. Craig's taken his Suzuki TL1000S on a long weekend ride that included lots of tight roads and bits of superslab. Leon's Ninja 250 just had some trouble out in Nebraska. All of these riders commute on their bikes. You want bigger bikes? Todd cranks his ST1100 through the turns and rides it every day to work. A bunch of Gold Wing riders on the list have jumped in to defend their machine's ability to take turns. The long-range capabilities of these bikes are undisputed. How about cruisers? Glenn and his V30 Magna was at the front of a pack of sportbikes on our trip to the mountains of southern West Virginia. During the same trip, Steve kept the group together, riding sweeper on his V-Max. Don't let the magazines and their big-budget fantasy world of gorgeous roads dictate where a bike should be used, George. Which of your bikes will you use on this year's Christmas lights tour? :) Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Examples? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > There are far more "do-it-all bikes" than those you listed. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01989 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 345; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:48:59 -0400 Message-ID: <35FE7E7D.23FFE2A3@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:49:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid inside References: <7c778ef6.35fe4904@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > It's like telling a guy with > a Corvette he better watch out for a Cadillac in the corners. I passed someone in a Corvette on some twisty backroads in Pennsylvania with an old Ford Pinto once. A couple of years later, Dad bought a used Cadillac, but I never saw the Corvette guy when I was driving the Caddie, so I can't really comment on this. Ooops, I guess I did anyway. :) Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me Lessee, stirring up the memories, now... 1973 Dodge Van (drove it once when I was 15) 1975 Ford Pinto (fun in the twisties) 1977 Chrysler New Yorker (poor throttle response) 1975 Cadillac Deville (a nice roadcar, handled like a pig) 1978 Ford Thunderbird (fun car, but weird steering) 197? Renault LeCar (can't remember, it didn't last long) 1978 Datsun B-210 (*My* first Car, way too small) 1980 Chevy Citation (A real piece of junk, wife bought this one) 1992 Honda Civic (She's responsible for this one too) 1992 Nissan Stanza (My favorite, I miss this car, bad tranny) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (we discovered motorcycles) 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 (bad starter, like all of 'em) 1987 Suzuki Savage (Don't blame me, the wife wanted it...) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (great bike, too old for my pounding, tho) 1983 Kawaski 440 LTD (for the father in law, but in my name) 1995 Chrylser Concorde (suspension is too soft, but its the family cage) 1998 Kawasaki Concours (BugSlayer, heh, heh, best purchase yet) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 10:56:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02378 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16940 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15176 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:56:01 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WHPVa09043 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <119a1205.35fe7fd2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:55:14 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Squidly - twisty roads Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 9:58:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << I didn't realize there was a competition. I'm sure that Glenn (the instigator of this for you) wouldn't be interested in a street race in any event. I know he's a responsible rider who's stays within his limits and street racing has no place for someone like that. >> Hmm....then I wonder why he was so bent on making it clear to everyone that he can keep up on his little 500cc. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:06:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02866 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17164 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15531 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WDJAa11276 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:05:27 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Squidly - twisty roads - the pace stuff Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 10:23:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: << Please grow up! Police officers and ambulances are for guys like you. On twisty roads straights aren't for seeing how fast you can go and slamming on the brakes for the next turn. The point isn't really isn't how fast you can go in a straight line, but to get your speed set for the next corner, anyone with/without any skill can go fast in a straight line. All it takes is a twist of the wrist and some horsepower. Try reading "the Pace" by Nick Ienatsch http://www.xnet.com/~scottll/the_pace.htm is one place to find it. I think it is on Kirk's Hawk Rally site as well. And I could really care less if you TL could go 170 or warp speed in a straight line. >> Dont watch much professional roadracing do ya? Ever see how they slam the gas in the straights then brake so hard that they FISHTAIL before entering the curve? What was that you were saying about braking? Hmmm......seems to me like that's pretty much how the best riders in the world do it. And a side note: Why would someone buy a smokin pocket rocket if you are gonna ride the speed limit all the time and never push the envelope a bit? Ive seen ambulances carting off guys on cruisers too..... Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:07:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02876 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17170 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15549 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:07:54 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B993@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:05:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jack, I was attempting to be nice to you.. sent you a PERSONAL e-mail which you then replied to on the list. Talk about Lousy ediquite.. BUT that does follow suit with your personality. And my RS125 is a RACE bike.. one of 4 bikes that I own.. and the one that gets the absolute least mileage.. I adjust the valves on my 87 VFR (try 4-cylinders.. like, you know.. 2 more than yours) on average once a month.. that's be at the 4.5K service limits. Yes, I put four Thousand five Hundred miles a month on my bike on average. Jack, you'd be best served by turning off your temper, sitting back, reading the posts, maybe even going out on the net and reading some of the great articles that are out there about riding on the street, and racing on the track. If you STILL think you're a bad-ass on your all-mighty TL.. then I dare you to put some money where your mouth is. Bring your POS bike up to Summit point, take the race school and get in a race with me. I'll go jump on a Hawk (less power, more weight than my RS125) and STILL toast your ass. To make it more interesting, Id be willing to put $1,000 on the line.. winner takes all. Untill you're willing to SHOW me that you deserve some respect, I'm going to treat you like the snot nosed, whiny little brat you've shown us you are. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 10:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Typical, just typical.....a person purposely does his best to try to embarrass someone else by digging up email from a month ago (Glenn, do you really save those emails? jeeez....get a life man) and I respond and IM the bad guy. Well, personally Brian I couldn't give two shits what you think happened in GTown. Kinda funny you talking about sliding rear ends when you ride a moped. How would you know? So like I said, hey, think what you want, free country. I just think Glenn should shut his mouth and say something useful instead of always talking about how other riders aren't as good as he is (which is basically what he says). I know Im not the only one on this list that thinks he should shut up and keep his belittling opinions to himself. Oh yeah, what I do to my bike is no ones business but mine. Then again Im sure its easy to adjust valves when you got one little cylinder right Brian? Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:14:39 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03003 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02087 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:13:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199809151513.LAA02087@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:14:36 -0400 Subject: Deja vu? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I think there must be something wrong with the list server... I swear I'm seeing messages from weeks and/or months ago reposted to the list! On to more current topics... does anyone want to go RIDING this Saturday? Forecast is for sunny weather, temps in the 70's... let's get a nice dc-cycles ride together! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (it's the rider, not the bike) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:18:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03353 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17395 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15888 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06199 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119791D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: packrat was -->RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:19:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm just as guilty. I really needed some hard drive space back, so about two months ago I deleted my 40 meg trash folder and at least 10 megs or so out of my inbox at home.... Plenty of space on the servers here at work though :) I throw away nothing!! he he he Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 10:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting > (Glenn, do you really save > those emails? jeeez....get a life man) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:26:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03724 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17531 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16397 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:26:35 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA13208; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:28:28 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012824; Tue, 15 Sep 98 11:27:22 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZC00244064CB@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256680.00548ADE ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:23:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:20:41 -0400 Subject: Re: "do-it-all bikes" To: Sean Sullivan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256680.005431E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Sean, You can add John Carver (VFR800) and myself (RF900), who were "nuts" enough to actually ride sportbikes/sport tourers all the way to Daytona and back this February. Here's my recipe for an "all-around" bike: Take: 1 RF900 Add: 1-part corbin seat w/ backrest 1-part Helibars 1-part throttlemeister 1-part GiVi topcase 1-part GiVi touring windscreen Mix with: 1-set MEZ4s that I can get 10k miles out of And Enjoy! This set up has taken me to FLA, OH, Tenn, SC (twice), and NY, along with countless trips to the Del shore. I also commute several days a week, grocery shop and spend weekends trying to get better at putting the pegs to the ashphalt. :-) On friday I'm taking a weekend run to Myrtle Beach, SC. Bikes are what you make of them ... mine is about as all around as I can make it. --chris From: Sean Sullivan Date: 09/15/98 02:44:50 PM GMT Subject: Re: "do-it-all bikes" Re: "do-it-all bikes" --snip-- Otherwise, look at the tremendous variety around you. From my limited experience riding with DC-Cycles: You want sportbikes? Linda took her F3 to Las Vegas and back, which involved long days on the interstate as well as curving mountain roads. Craig's taken his Suzuki TL1000S on a long weekend ride that included lots of tight roads and bits of superslab. Leon's Ninja 250 just had some trouble out in Nebraska. All of these riders commute on their bikes. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:28:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03798 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17552 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16472 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WPNEa11275 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6dcb08da.35fe875b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:27:23 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 OK first of all, I didn't realize that was emailed directly to me. I could have sworn I saw the list addy at the top. I apologize. OK, to dispense with the pleasantries: FUCK YOU! I dont give a fuck how hot you think you are. Ill take you up on that offer Miguel.....better yet, why dont you ride your RS? Moped cant handle it? Or maybe its stalling out every lap again? Hmm.....sure was funny watching you push that thing back to the pits every lap last track day......mighty fine wrench you turn so dont say shit to me about mechanical work. My POS TL, which is light years ahead of any junk you ride, can handle it just fine. And let me guess? You want a head start right? HAHAHA......dude, stop trying to save face and get all fired up making challenges and shit. It aint worth it to either of us to risk anything for something stupid like this. Just cool down and let it go. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:35:32 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03962 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA24393 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980915153452.KHOA18768@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:34:52 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Deja vu? and Saturday Ride Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:34:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bde0be$61395fc0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199809151513.LAA02087@radagast.wizard.net> Importance: Normal Yeah, a Saturday ride. Who's for it?? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein Q: Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? PAUL LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles so easily. Anita Lauro asked: On to more current topics... does anyone want to go RIDING this Saturday? Forecast is for sunny weather, temps in the 70's... let's get a nice dc-cycles ride together! From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:38:42 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04243 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:26 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:03 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bde0be$688e3480$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Glenn, We're agreeing more and more. Before moving on to the first BMW, I was scraping pegs left and right on the Eliminator. And with the 600cc inline four, it was quite capable of getting out of its own way, provided you kept the revs up around 8000 or more. Oh, and, FWIW, my dad used to have a Caddy. While it would have needed a necker know to really get around the corners, it was pretty fun on Rt. 50 (took it to go skiing one time). ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > The bottom line is it is the rider and not the machine (in most > cases). If > you think its the machine you are clueless. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:38:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04254 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17734 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17093 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bde0be$6c0f6c00$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <9ed85dca.35fe6d2f@aol.com> Importance: Normal Hey, I've exchanged words with Glenn in the past (local vs. mail order) but after tempers calmed down, he's helped me out with the names of a few places. I think most of us on the list are a bit arrogant about our choices and our ideas. Glenn is just maybe a little more vocal about it. No big deal. OTOH, the main crux of his argument is that it's the rider, not the bike. And while I've never seen him ride, I can only agree that this is the case. When I first started riding, I had a bike that could kick some butt. Yet Harley's always left me behind in the corners. Because I couldn't ride yet. Of course there are varying degrees of bike disparities, but I don't think you can deny that the rider plays an incredible role in the performance of a bike. And I wouldn't belittle small displacement bikes. I'm sure there are more than a few 250GP bikes that would leave you smelling burnt castor. > **One other thing to the list, Im withdrawing my $$$ toward the > tire changer > because I could not stand to have to go to this man's house and > be around him. > Hate me if you will but Im fed up with him. When Glenn and I were fighting a few weeks back, I considered this. But, in retrospect, I'm quite glad I didn't. We're all a bunch of shit-slingers on this list. I'm sure that if you met Glenn in person, you'd find out that he's just a normal guy like the rest of us (sorry ladies, you know what I mean:) I could be wrong, but I really doubt it. And, FWIW, even if Glenn is the biggest sack of human excrement on the face of the planet, I'd rather spend twenty minutes with him than give ACP another $50 to mount a tire. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:38:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04257 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17738 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17097 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bde0be$6ddc3cc0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal To be honest, there's not that much difference when you get to a certain level of machine. Leaving the Wingebagos out of it, there's many cruisers that will pull a 12.5 1/4 mile. While the sport bikes are in the low 11's, all it takes is one missed shift to embarass the sport bike guy. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:38:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04258 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17740 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17100 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:35 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01bde0be$6e9c7f80$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <40e3c869.35fe7de8@aol.com> Importance: Normal > I just think Glenn should shut his mouth and say something useful > instead of > always talking about how other riders aren't as good as he is (which is > basically what he says). Actually, Glenn hasn't referred to his riding prowess. Glenn has just said 'it's the rider, not the bike'. Everyone else calls him a good rider. The closest he has come to tooting his own horn is to say 'I can keep up with the sportbikes'. > Oh yeah, what > I do to my bike is no ones business but mine. Then again Im sure > its easy to > adjust valves when you got one little cylinder right Brian? Digging on Brian cause he can't procure a larger bike at this time isn't exactly fair, either... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:38:56 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04259 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:38 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bde0be$6f6d8b20$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35FE7E7D.23FFE2A3@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal One of the tricks with 'Vettes (used to work at Bert's, and spoke to the guys in the Sat. nite Vette club) is that they are perhaps the worst cop magnet in the world. When I was about 17, I'd pick streetlight drags (in my little Mercury Tracer, hehe. Pretty quick up to about 40 or so) with everyone. My buddy Bill was in the car with me one night when we pulled up next to this Vette. Three (yes, three) senior citizens (the youngest guy was about 65, and the other two guys could have been his father and uncle) were in the car. They looked over when I started gunning the engine. Light goes green. Driver floors it. Passenger smiles at us. The third guy (somehow sitting on the package shelf. The youngest, BTW) smiled and waved at us. At 80, I still wasn't gaining on them. Not sure what that has to do with Motorcycles. But it's a story I thought you might enjoy. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:40:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04322 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17766 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17194 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:37:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:40:25 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, MINEREG@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "do-it-all bikes" -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> Sean Sullivan - 9/15/98 10:44 AM >>> Re: "do-it-all bikes" -snip- Examples? Me and my 900 Ninja+Storz bar kit & Corbin--Lake Superior Circle Tour, Minneapolis-Chicago & back, Minneapolis-Denver & back, Minneapolis-White Sands NM & back, Mpls-Pittsburgh & back, VA rt. 522, etc. on weekends, 20 min. commute to work. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > There are far more "do-it-all bikes" than those you listed. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:41:02 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04336 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04542 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:39:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199809151539.LAA04542@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:40:58 -0400 Subject: Ride on Saturday... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I fear that this list may soon be shut down for a sanity break (those of you who were here for the Squeakers debacle know why). If it is, please email me directly at "2xracers@XXXXXX" if you'd like to go riding Saturday. Anita '96 GPZ1100 (whew, it's getting hot in here) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:44:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04424 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17822 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17331 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:43:58 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 15 Sep 1998 11:43:56 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 15 Sep 1998 11:43:56 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0199135FE8B3C00E-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0199135FE8B3C00E Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0199135FE8B3C00E*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 15 Sep 1998 11:43:56 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads - the pace stuff Message-Id: <0199135FE8B3C00E*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Jack, Repeat after me: The road is not a racetrack, The road is not a racetrack, The road is not a racetrack, The road is not a racetrack, Start to get the picture? Don B. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:46:43 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04521 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA24425; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:46:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(206.217.114.210) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024362; Tue Sep 15 10:45:34 1998 Message-ID: <35FE8B7F.F001959D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:45:03 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Polaris Victory!! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------02793B99E2B43DEBBC796277" --------------02793B99E2B43DEBBC796277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finally saw the Polaris Victory Motorcycle at Winchester Indian/Guzzi/Victory. Was not bad at all, looks real top heavy just looking at it, but lifts up real nice and easy. Looks like it would make a nice long commute tour bike with the addition of a windshield and some bags. It was red and black and asking price is 12,995 which is I guess reasonable, if you can afford it anyway. Ride Safe folks... --------------02793B99E2B43DEBBC796277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
        Finally saw the Polaris Victory Motorcycle at Winchester Indian/Guzzi/Victory.  Was not bad at all, looks real top heavy just looking at it, but lifts up real nice and easy.  Looks like it would make a nice long commute tour bike with the addition of a windshield and some bags.   It was red and black and asking price is 12,995 which is I guess reasonable, if you can afford it anyway.  Ride Safe folks...
--------------02793B99E2B43DEBBC796277-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 11:52:10 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04879 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA20853 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:52:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Polaris Victory!! In-Reply-To: <35FE8B7F.F001959D@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Ken Shephard wrote: > Finally saw the Polaris Victory Motorcycle at Winchester > Indian/Guzzi/Victory. You !@#$, I can't believe you'd post this !@#$! Just who do you think you are! Oops, sorry, I meant to post that as a reply to another message... :) Actually, the Polaris is kind of interesting, although it's not a bike I'd consider buying the concepts that the company claimed to be going for are reasonable ones (e.g., make it handle competently). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:00:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05318 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18112 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18083 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WIULa27969 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:00:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 11:44:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Actually, Glenn hasn't referred to his riding prowess. Glenn has just said 'it's the rider, not the bike.' Everyone else calls him a good rider. >> To be honest, I dont remember EVER saying that its NOT the rider but the bike. My point all along (and I guess I just omitted it by mistake) was that, with all things equal (meaning riders, tires, etc.) except the bikes a big HP sportbike will usually whip a small bike. Like I said, Im talking equal riders. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:09:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05708 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18262 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18480 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:06:09 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: thanks for the support Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bde0c2$ae994740$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal While I'd love to read email all day today, the only reason I have this much access is because I should be taking care of Angie. Thanks to everybody who wished her well. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:09:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05712 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18269 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18488 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:06:11 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads - the pace stuff Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:05:49 -0400 Message-ID: <002101bde0c2$b4af3360$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Professional roadracing isn't done on streets open to the public. Riding your bike to 100% on the street ain't safe or sane. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Dont watch much professional roadracing do ya? Ever see how they > slam the gas > in the straights then brake so hard that they FISHTAIL before entering the > curve? What was that you were saying about braking? > Hmmm......seems to me > like that's pretty much how the best riders in the world do it. > And a side note: Why would someone buy a smokin pocket rocket if you are > gonna ride the speed limit all the time and never push the envelope a bit? > Ive seen ambulances carting off guys on cruisers too..... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:09:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05713 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18270 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18493 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:06:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , , Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:05:52 -0400 Message-ID: <002201bde0c2$b64b3020$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B993@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Importance: Normal Geez, how outta touch am I? When did you get four bikes? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:09:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05717 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18274 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18499 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:06:15 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: "do-it-all bikes" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:05:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002301bde0c2$b71c3bc0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <85256680.005431E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal Which size GiVi's are you using? Done two up touring on that rig? (A serious question, not being flippant. I don't have the luxury of doing one up touring, unless I go alone. SO can't ride (or drive)) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:09:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05720 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18277 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18506 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:06:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Subject: Brian vs. Jack--Closed Course Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:05:56 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bde0c2$b8bfd9a0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <6dcb08da.35fe875b@aol.com> Importance: Normal So when is the race? I keep making excuses for not getting up to Summit Point, but I will DEFINATELY attend this race. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:12:22 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05833 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:03 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Ken Shephard" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Polaris Victory!! Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:08:22 -0400 Message-ID: <002701bde0c3$0fa29640$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01BDE0A1.8890F640" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35FE8B7F.F001959D@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BDE0A1.8890F640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did he say how long it would be there before he let a buyer take it? Might have to make the ride out there again this weekend... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Ken Shephard [mailto:shephar1@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:45 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Polaris Victory!! Finally saw the Polaris Victory Motorcycle at Winchester Indian/Guzzi/Victory. Was not bad at all, looks real top heavy just looking at it, but lifts up real nice and easy. Looks like it would make a nice long commute tour bike with the addition of a windshield and some bags. It was red and black and asking price is 12,995 which is I guess reasonable, if you can afford it anyway. Ride Safe folks... ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BDE0A1.8890F640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did he=20 say how long it would be there before he let a buyer take it? Might have = to make=20 the ride out there again this weekend...
 

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        Finally saw the Polaris Victory Motorcycle at = Winchester Indian/Guzzi/Victory.  Was not bad at all, looks = real=20 top heavy just looking at it, but lifts up real nice and = easy. =20 Looks like it would make a nice long commute tour bike with the = addition=20 of a windshield and some bags.   It was red and black = and=20 asking price is 12,995 which is I guess reasonable, if you can = afford it=20 anyway.  Ride Safe folks...
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BDE0A1.8890F640-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:13:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05851 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18319 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18651 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:10:14 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:09:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bde0c3$443dfe80$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > My point all along (and I guess I just omitted it by mistake) was > that, with > all things equal (meaning riders, tires, etc.) except the bikes a big HP > sportbike will usually whip a small bike. Like I said, Im talking equal > riders. I think that point did get omitted. And you'll get no argument from me. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:18:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06181 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18391 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18898 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 437 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:18:22 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980915121821.00caac20@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:18:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any way to forcibly remove irritating loudmouths from the list? Jack has been flaming the list for a month now. Please settle it in private email or in person on a race track. And what is the end result of this thread? You two gonna play chicken out by the old mill? Will Fonzie be there? At 11:27 AM 9/15/98 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >OK first of all, I didn't realize that was emailed directly to me. I could >have sworn I saw the list addy at the top. I apologize. OK, to dispense with >the pleasantries: >F**K YOU! I dont give a f**k how hot you think you are. Ill take you up on >that offer Miguel.....better yet, why dont you ride your RS? Moped cant >handle it? Or maybe its stalling out every lap again? Hmm.....sure was funny >watching you push that thing back to the pits every lap last track >day......mighty fine wrench you turn so dont say shit to me about mechanical >work. My POS TL, which is light years ahead of any junk you ride, can handle >it just fine. And let me guess? You want a head start right? >HAHAHA......dude, stop trying to save face and get all fired up making >challenges and shit. It aint worth it to either of us to risk anything for >something stupid like this. Just cool down and let it go. > >Jack > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:19:13 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06229 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA17569; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:18:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv11-52.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.52) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017539; Tue Sep 15 11:18:10 1998 Message-ID: <001701bde0c4$5dd390c0$345e23c7@oemcomputer> From: "Enter your name here" To: "George Howell" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Polaris Victory!! Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:17:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BDE0A2.C6D7D800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BDE0A2.C6D7D800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Did he say how long it would be there before he let a buyer take it? = Might have to make the ride out there again this weekend... =20 ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX=20 No , as a matter of fact its been there since last Tuesday, I was = surprised =20 Ken.... =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BDE0A2.C6D7D800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

 
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BDE0A2.C6D7D800-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:26:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06337 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18474 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19500 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA18256 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:26:26 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:26:26 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8EA0@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: George Howell , christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "do-it-all bikes" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:28:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" George, Jumping right on in on another's thread... I have a pair of 50 liter Maxias as side bags and a 45 liter topcase (with stoplight). Haven't done any two-up touring, but I had Works Performance build my rear shock to allow for the total projected weight should I ever do it. My scooter seems to have sufficient horsepower for the task. I'm VERY pleased with the bags - the only problem is headshake under deceleration (an aerodynamic problem) with the bags on. This is only a problem if I take my hands off the handlebars (which I shouldn't be doing anyway). I have my old 36 liter side bags available if anyone is interested Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:28:23 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06431 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA21723 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:28:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980915121821.00caac20@www.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII With all the arguing going on here I thought I might take the time to point out that debating and logic courses are available for very little money at the local community college. Sorry, I just couldn't help myself! Oh, must not forget the smiley, :). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:29:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06465 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18535 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19727 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B995@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attempting to get Jack to think.. Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:27:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Really, no risk what-so-ever. It's actually a hell of a lot safer to ride on the track than on the street.. And my challenge stands.. and will continue to stand for you. As for your last sentence.. I agree fully, which is why I sent you that first message today.. you know, the personal one. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- HAHAHA......dude, stop trying to save face and get all fired up making challenges and shit. It aint worth it to either of us to risk anything for something stupid like this. Just cool down and let it go. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:32:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06793 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18597 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19954 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 452; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:32:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980915123207.00a07350@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:32:18 -0400 To: "George Howell" , , From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Isnt that point relatively obvious though? All things being equal a car with more HP will beat a car with less.....A runner in better shape...(etc ad. nauseum) At 12:09 PM 9/15/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >> My point all along (and I guess I just omitted it by mistake) was >> that, with >> all things equal (meaning riders, tires, etc.) except the bikes a big HP >> sportbike will usually whip a small bike. Like I said, Im talking equal >> riders. > >I think that point did get omitted. And you'll get no argument from me. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 12:33:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06803 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18608 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known [199.122.55.11] [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20005 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:33:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Burger, Donald '" Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads - the pace stuff Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:33:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thank you, thank you, thank you. > ---------- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:43 AM > To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads - the pace stuff > > Jack, > > Repeat after me: > The road is not a racetrack, > The road is not a racetrack, > The road is not a racetrack, > The road is not a racetrack, > > Start to get the picture? > > Don B. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08110 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:05:47 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B998@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: New 'Do and Don't' list for DC-Cycles? Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:03:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Alright you packrats.. someone had a cute Do and Don't list made up for newbies to the list.. anyone keep that? It should probably be ammended by now.. :-) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:12:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08571 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19146 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21514 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WOZa024183 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <236dfed.35fe9c85@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:57:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 11:46:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: Hey, I've exchanged words with Glenn in the past (local vs. mail order) but after tempers calmed down, he's helped me out with the names of a few places. I think most of us on the list are a bit arrogant about our choices and our ideas. Glenn is just maybe a little more vocal about it. No big deal. << When Glenn and I were fighting a few weeks back, I considered this. But, in retrospect, I'm quite glad I didn't. We're all a bunch of shit-slingers on this list. I'm sure that if you met Glenn in person, you'd find out that he's just a normal guy like the rest of us (sorry ladies, you know what I mean:) I could be wrong, but I really doubt it. And, FWIW, even if Glenn is the biggest sack of human excrement on the face of the planet, I'd rather spend twenty minutes with him than give ACP another $50 to mount a tire. >> thank you. well said.... I know jack, and he's a good guy. I havent met glenn, but from what ive read, he's just like everyone else on the list. Anyway, I hate seeing you guys fight, it just makes things awkward when we all get together. Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09057 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 331 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:24:27 -0400 Message-ID: <35FEA2F1.CDF71356@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:25:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Polaris Victory!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Ken Shephard wrote: > > Finally saw the Polaris Victory Motorcycle at Winchester > > Indian/Guzzi/Victory. Kirk Roy wrote: > Actually, the Polaris is kind of interesting, although it's not a bike I'd > consider buying the concepts that the company claimed to be going for are > reasonable ones (e.g., make it handle competently). Yeah. I'm not too keen on the looks of the Polaris (too cruiser- esqe for me, I like big standards) but maybe they'll come around. I do like the idea of more American motorcycle companies, competition is always good for the consumer. I'll be watching the reports of Polaris rideability and reliability with interest. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:28:33 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09169 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:27:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:27:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I guess its about time I respond. You guys really sent a bunch of mail while I was out of the office. Lets pick this one apart bit by bit. Yeah, maybe like the fact that there is no end to your fat mouth and the bullshit that spews forth from it. Bullshit? Which BS would that be? Would that be the one that you can't seem to ride? Or the one about your high speed runs? Which one Jack, come on fill us in? I think you'll find I don't talk BS, just facts. Why dont you get off your high (VERY TALL) ass horse and act normal like the rest of us? Do you find joy in trying to belittle everyone else on the list? Is that it? Are you soooo superior to us? Get a life man and stop trying to insult everyone, because it only pisses everyone off. This is a nice list, too bad you are the only asshole on it. You are becoming pretty hostile here Jack. What high horse am I on? I'm not superior to anyone, never said I was. Maybe you can find a post that said I did. I think if we take a nice vote YOU will get more votes for assholeism. And on another subject, your little 500cc "may" be able to take a "small" lead on a sportbike because it weighs so little in "some" "tight" corners but what are you gonna do when the road straightens out for even a split second? Glenn, Most likely be looking at a set of D207s kicking up pebbles in your face (especially if its a VTwin). I think others have already covered this but if you ever see a road like VA 16 or US 250 you might change your mind on this. Its miles and miles of tight stuff. A good rider with a 250 cc will be waiting at the end of the road with their helmet off having a cigarette before you even show up. You aint Miguel Duhamel so stop acting like you are a racer or something. I never have acted like I was a racer. Again if you can find a post that said I was I'd like to see it. Also, If I was to be a racer I'd be down at Summit trying to prove it. **One other thing to the list, Im withdrawing my $$$ toward the tire changer because I could not stand to have to go to this man's house and be around him. Hate me if you will but Im fed up with him. Well were sorry to here that Jack. Let me give you a bit of advice. Think about the things you post to the list before you hit that send button. It might just keep that foot out of your mouth. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:34:31 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09540 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 299; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:33:43 -0400 Message-ID: <35FEA51D.F7F822B1@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:34:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: The Tire Changer References: <001001bde003$5df80160$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Assuming everyone was willing to put up $50/ea. that's still > only $2000. A quality machine that will change ALL types of > tires (Harley to Kawa to ATV) starts at from $2700-3000. Todd, is this the ballpark for a new machine? Or used? I know it is always tough finding good used equipment like that anyway (if it's good, why sell it?). > $3000 is $75/ea., and that assumes the list of original 40 are > willing to go the extra mile. My guess is that maybe 28 of you > are, and that's only $2100. If 28 of the original 40 are willing > to go $100 then we have a good start. Hmm, $100 is a stretch for me. Sorry. I'm a tightwad by nature. Guess I get to invest my $30 in tire irons instead. Anyone else have an opinion on this? > Bottom line, unless people are willing to send money NOW, this > endeavor is FINISHED! At least it is for me. Sorry. Todd, regardless of how this works out, thanks for carrying the ball on this. I'd still love to see it happen, but I think it's looking doubtful. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:42:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09738 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19595 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22629 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA12971 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:41:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday... In-Reply-To: <199809151539.LAA04542@radagast.wizard.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > I fear that this list may soon be shut down for a sanity break (those > of you who were here for the Squeakers debacle know why). Yep, looks like that may happen. I've given up and am merely hitting the delete key on any message with the 's' word in it. Too bad we can't get back to riding and talking about riding rather than posturing and name calling. Dawn 1996 Virago 1100 Special From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:45:17 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10096 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:44:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:44:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Typical, just typical.....a person purposely does his best to try to embarrass someone else by digging up email from a month ago (Glenn, do you really save those emails? jeeez....get a life man) and I respond and IM the bad guy. I'm not trying to embarrass anyone. I just think that if your going to post some of the stupid things you post you should expect some flaming. And no I don't save posts, I just remember that one and happened to find it. Well, personally Brian I couldn't give two shits what you think happened in GTown. Kinda funny you talking about sliding rear ends when you ride a moped. How would you know? So like I said, hey, think what you want, free country. I'm not touching this one. I've got my own opinion like everyone else and I'm keeping it to myself. I just think Glenn should shut his mouth and say something useful instead of always talking about how other riders aren't as good as he is (which is basically what he says). I know Im not the only one on this list that thinks he should shut up and keep his belittling opinions to himself. No way am I going to shut my mouth and I don't expect you to shut yours. I'm sure there are a bunch of squids on the list that would love a bunch of us to shutup. My friend you belittle yourself, not me. Check a bunch of your previous posts, people have pointed that out to you. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:47:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10109 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19681 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22858 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809151747.NAA22858@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A81C1103EC; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:47:08 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:51:36 -0400 To: "Michael Troutman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980915121821.00caac20@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:18 PM 9/15/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >Any way to forcibly remove irritating loudmouths from the list? Yes, but it's easiest if you just filter them out. Your header says you use Eudora Pro ... go into Tools, Filters, and set up a filter on the type of message you don't want to receive. I filter on the "From" header, and have better luck using the "is" comparison rather than the "contains" comparison. Works well. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:47:24 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10118 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA02437 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:46:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980915174649.LSYY18768@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:46:49 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Enduro Bike Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:46:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bde0d0$ce8e65e0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I am looking for an enduro/dual sport bike and I've found a 75 Yamaha DT enduro 125. It's a 2-stroke and purported to be in good shape with 2k miles. The MCN page has been down since at least Saturday and I don't think they go back that far anyway. So, the questions are: Does anyone have any info on this bike? The price is $1500. This seems rather high to me. What do you think? TIA LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein Q: Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? PAUL LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles so easily. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:51:40 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10205 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809151751.NAA10205@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A926D0406; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:51:34 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:55:37 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: The Tire Changer In-Reply-To: <35FEA51D.F7F822B1@tidalwave.net> References: <001001bde003$5df80160$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Assuming everyone was willing to put up $50/ea. that's still >> only $2000. A quality machine that will change ALL types of >> tires (Harley to Kawa to ATV) starts at from $2700-3000. Somehow I just have a hard time believing that it's actually EASIER to go through all this hassle, with 32 people each owning an expensive part of an expensive tire changer, than it is to find someone who already has a tire changer and will do it for you ... like a dealer or an accessory shop. Donning flame suit. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 13:53:36 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10251 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA08918; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980915175251.LUNX18768@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:52:51 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: The Tire Changer Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:52:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bde0d1$9653c160$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35FEA51D.F7F822B1@tidalwave.net> Dale Horstman wrote: > Todd Peer wrote: > > > > Assuming everyone was willing to put up $50/ea. that's still > > only $2000. A quality machine that will change ALL types of > > tires (Harley to Kawa to ATV) starts at from $2700-3000. > > Todd, is this the ballpark for a new machine? Or used? > I know it is always tough finding good used equipment like > that anyway (if it's good, why sell it?). The best quote I have right now is $2868.60, delivered and tax paid. It is a new machine (K&L, Hoffman). There was a quick stab at a used one ($1,000, already sold). > > > $3000 is $75/ea., and that assumes the list of original 40 are > > willing to go the extra mile. My guess is that maybe 28 of you > > are, and that's only $2100. If 28 of the original 40 are willing > > to go $100 then we have a good start. > > Hmm, $100 is a stretch for me. Sorry. I'm a tightwad by nature. > Guess I get to invest my $30 in tire irons instead. Anyone else > have an opinion on this? You sure are. But consider this LD-boy, you're gonna be struggling unnecessarily for quite a long time compared to the quick off and on you'd get from a 'quality' machine. I'd figure anyone who is putting on more than 10k a year would want in on this. > > > Bottom line, unless people are willing to send money NOW, this > > endeavor is FINISHED! At least it is for me. Sorry. > > Todd, regardless of how this works out, thanks for carrying the > ball on this. I'd still love to see it happen, but I think it's > looking doubtful. Well, I'll give it to when I said. If it don't happen, it's back to tire irons for me too. :( > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:00:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10663 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19942 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23323 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 471; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:59:26 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980915135913.00a8d280@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:59:26 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It was actualy a sarcastic remark. I filter all dc-cycles email into a mailbox. I tend not to 'killfile' people since they are usually just spouting off, but it is quite transparent to mark them read and toss them in the trash before I ever see the in box. MT At 01:51 PM 9/15/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 12:18 PM 9/15/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >>Any way to forcibly remove irritating loudmouths from the list? > >Yes, but it's easiest if you just filter them out. Your header says you >use Eudora Pro ... go into Tools, Filters, and set up a filter on the type >of message you don't want to receive. I filter on the "From" header, and >have better luck using the "is" comparison rather than the "contains" >comparison. > >Works well. > >Chris Norloff > > > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:01:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10675 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19969 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23468 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA07247; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:59:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006924; Tue, 15 Sep 98 13:58:06 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZC00F3475FBR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256680.006258D8 ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:54:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: RE: "do-it-all bikes" To: George Howell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256680.0061FE05.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I only have the Givi topcase ... 42 liters. Still use soft saddlebags (Wolfman) and an eclipse tank bag when I really pack a lot. I have gone weekend camping two-up at Gambrill state park (N. Maryland), but no looong distance touring, yet. That is really driven by the passenger, not the carrying capacity, however. ;-) As for the two-up touring ... plenty of power, did have to reset the suspension settings, the comfort is not bad, and the enjoyment is immense. --chris To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: George Howell Date: 09/15/98 04:05:53 PM GMT Subject: RE: "do-it-all bikes" Which size GiVi's are you using? Done two up touring on that rig? (A serious question, not being flippant. I don't have the luxury of doing one up touring, unless I go alone. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:05:37 1998 Return-Path: DavidW@XXXXXX Received: from ACA.ORG (NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11026 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:05:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:04:12 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Polaris disappoints me. Not very smart... I have an article from the Washington Times, February 21, 1997 issue on the bulletin board in my office announcing Polaris' intention to build bikes. It says the bikes will be available to the public in the Spring of 1998. So, a bike is finally available, but it isn't Spring anymore. "Oh, boo hoo hoo. The emissions tests were tougher than we thought. Boo hoo hoo. The parts suppliers didn't come through for us." The excuses are lame! Polaris is a multi-million dollar corporation with assembly lines, research/development teams, marketers, etc. already in place. What's the hold-up for? I wanted so desperately to point out a Victory to the teeming masses at Rolling Thunder and say, "Look at that, you pig-nosed conformist! You're not the only game in town anymore!" Alas, my fantasy wasn't to be. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:08:26 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11056 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15606; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:06:59 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197921@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Linda Tanner'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Enduro Bike Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:06:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain That's a pretty high price for an old DT. Also, the DT is a decent handling DP bike, but their engines aren't all that good. My younger brother had one, and it just never seemed to have the power it should, even after a fresh rebuild. For the same price range, you could find a mid 800s XR100 or XR200 that would be much better. They are 4 stroke so you don't have to worry about 2 smoke oil, and they have tons of torque. Much better for trail riding and such. KLRs make good DP bikes too...ask Randy Dow :) Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Tanner [SMTP:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:56 PM > To: Dc-Cycles > Subject: Enduro Bike > > So, the questions are: > Does anyone have any info on this bike? > The price is $1500. This seems rather high to me. What do you think? > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:13:51 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11188 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 451; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:13:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980915141301.00bde100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:13:16 -0400 To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Enduro Bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Seems WAY high to me. In 1985 I bought a 78 Yamaha DT125 for $300. It was in perfect condition (besides its weight and age). Just about any running bike is worth $200. Offer that much. Only 2k miles? At 01:46 PM 9/15/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >I am looking for an enduro/dual sport bike and I've found a 75 Yamaha DT >enduro 125. It's a 2-stroke and purported to be in good shape with 2k >miles. The MCN page has been down since at least Saturday and I don't think >they go back that far anyway. > >So, the questions are: >Does anyone have any info on this bike? >The price is $1500. This seems rather high to me. What do you think? > >TIA > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) >I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. >"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not >sure about the former." - Albert Einstein >Q: Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? >PAUL LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles so easily. > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:19:18 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11579 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:20:02 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B99D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Polaris disappoints me. Not very smart... Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:17:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thought they did a damn good job.. It only took them 2.5 years from a blank piece of paper to a working bike on the show-room floor. That's amazing consider they had NO experience with motorcycles. But maybe I've bought into what the media has said. Personally, I love the looks, I want to own one, but I wouldn't buy a first generation anything untill it's been proven... not to mention I'm poor.. :-) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- I have an article from the Washington Times, February 21, 1997 issue on the bulletin board in my office announcing Polaris' intention to build bikes. It says the bikes will be available to the public in the Spring of 1998. So, a bike is finally available, but it isn't Spring anymore. "Oh, boo hoo hoo. The emissions tests were tougher than we thought. Boo hoo hoo. The parts suppliers didn't come through for us." The excuses are lame! Polaris is a multi-million dollar corporation with assembly lines, research/development teams, marketers, etc. already in place. What's the hold-up for? I wanted so desperately to point out a Victory to the teeming masses at Rolling Thunder and say, "Look at that, you pig-nosed conformist! You're not the only game in town anymore!" Alas, my fantasy wasn't to be. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11675 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: The Tire Changer Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:19:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Chris, I think its more then just the hassle. I think its the price gouging that really is bothering some people. With others I think they would just like to do the work themselves. I'm willing to get off of $100 but I know most others are not. Since the cheapest mounting and balancing I have seen so far is from Art @ $22 that's only 5 tires. Glenn > Somehow I just have a hard time believing that it's actually EASIER to go > through all this hassle, with 32 people each owning an expensive part of > an > expensive tire changer, than it is to find someone who already has a tire > changer and will do it for you ... like a dealer or an accessory shop. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:22:28 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11695 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA23382 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:21:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980915182135.MCKV18768@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:21:35 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Enduro Bike Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:21:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bde0d5$aa79b240$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197921@MSCEX> Importance: Normal Thanks for the info, Collin. I have to have a smaller bike as the 350's and above are too tall for me. I'm also looking for something that I can lift by myself, so there's another reason for it to be small. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein Q: Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? PAUL LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles so easily. Collin Fagan said: That's a pretty high price for an old DT. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:33:06 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12215 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:33:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id BAJFa03543; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:28:23 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 7:27:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << The bottom line is it is the rider and not the machine (in most cases). If you think its the machine you are clueless. >> I stand by what I said, I can tell you that my track experience tells me that a better sorted out bike makes the difference. When I raced, I would routinely beat better riders on bikes that were not sorted out chassis-wise. Guys on ill-handling H-1s with much more talent than I on well-sorted out Norton, would be all over the track weaving on the straights and wobbling in the corners just to keep up with a very good handling Norton. When I actually bought an H-1 and tried to race it, I realized how much better those riders were. And the differences between the handling capability of a well-sorted out Norton and an H-1 were probably less than the differences between a cruiser and a modern sportbike. I think anyone who races will tell you how much easier it is to go faster on a bike that is just a little better in the handling department than another. Hell, just tires can make a rider faster than one of equal ability. So call me clueless if you want but i can assure these are the facts. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:39:21 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12580 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809151839.OAA12580@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A45513D03EC; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:39:17 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:43:19 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: The Tire Changer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, 5 tires. That's probably 2 years of riding, right? (Depends a lot on the tire and the rider, of course). You still have to balance the tire, 'cause the changer is only a changer. Then for that 2 years the changer has to be housed, you have to get to it to use it, and you have to fix it if someone breaks it. Just the dealings with 32 people with a $100 share in it is daunting - what if someone breaks the machine and won't fix it, how are people bought out when they leave the area, etc. just another opinion! Chris Norloff At 02:19 PM 9/15/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Chris, I think its more then just the hassle. I think its the price gouging >that really is bothering some people. With others I think they would just >like to do the work themselves. I'm willing to get off of $100 but I know >most others are not. Since the cheapest mounting and balancing I have seen >so far is from Art @ $22 that's only 5 tires. > >Glenn > > > >> Somehow I just have a hard time believing that it's actually EASIER to go >> through all this hassle, with 32 people each owning an expensive part of >> an >> expensive tire changer, than it is to find someone who already has a tire >> changer and will do it for you ... like a dealer or an accessory shop. >> >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 14:43:41 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12659 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA20249; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980915184258.MIHC18768@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:42:58 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: The Tire Changer Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:42:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bde0d8$969448a0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199809151751.NAA10205@meretrix.com> OK Chris. Go ahead and find some benevolent soul willing to have 50+ people come and use his/her investment whenever they need to have a tire changed! And by all means, please let us know who it is! Or were you thinking of just yourself. As far as easy goes, you're right. It would be fairly simple for an individual to do what you suggest, but we just don't see a way to do this and to serve as many people as possible, and be fair in the process without cooperating a little bit. Sometimes you just gotta step up and take the lead, you know? Like the griping I hear about a DC-Cycles logo, I'm getting tired of a bunch of all talk and no walk for this tire changer. To the point, due to some of the same kind of comments made by you and Alex M. last week, I decided to finish up and if need be put this issue to bed, with or without the tool. FWIW, $100 is not a lot to spend to have your tires changed for as long as you stay in a cooperative like we've outlined. In fact, to do what we are suggesting would be impossible any other way without the headaches of equitability. And in the end, when your done using the tool, you can sell your share! Lastly, assuming we get an exceptional response (hopefully not too many cheap-skates out there), the share cost will come down. So $100 is the limit. It could be much lower depending on interest. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:56 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: The Tire Changer > > > >> Assuming everyone was willing to put up $50/ea. that's still > >> only $2000. A quality machine that will change ALL types of > >> tires (Harley to Kawa to ATV) starts at from $2700-3000. > > > Somehow I just have a hard time believing that it's actually EASIER to go > through all this hassle, with 32 people each owning an expensive > part of an > expensive tire changer, than it is to find someone who already has a tire > changer and will do it for you ... like a dealer or an accessory shop. > > Donning flame suit. > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 15:08:53 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13926 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08680; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980915190818.MPRK18768@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:08:18 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: The Tire Changer Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:07:46 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bde0dc$1feb8e80$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199809151839.OAA12580@meretrix.com> Read the rules again. Once you buy in, you're in. Your share is yours to do with what you please. Sell it if you want. You're right about the 2-years of riding for MOST riders. I personally will go through at least 5 tires this year though. There are a couple of other LD riders here who see the 'immediate' benefits as well. Some are just a little more thrifty than others :) And you're also right about the balancer. However, balancing tires is not nearly the chore it is to dismount and mount a tire. And besides, if this works out well, we will have a balancer too in the near future. As for getting to the machine, I don't know one dealer who will come to your house today. As for repair, I'll look into that. There is more than likely a maintenance contract that can be purchased. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 2:43 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: The Tire Changer > > > Okay, 5 tires. That's probably 2 years of riding, right? > (Depends a lot on > the tire and the rider, of course). You still have to balance the tire, > 'cause the changer is only a changer. Then for that 2 years the changer > has to be housed, you have to get to it to use it, and you have to fix it > if someone breaks it. > > Just the dealings with 32 people with a $100 share in it is > daunting - what > if someone breaks the machine and won't fix it, how are people bought out > when they leave the area, etc. > > just another opinion! > > Chris Norloff > > At 02:19 PM 9/15/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > >Chris, I think its more then just the hassle. I think its the > price gouging > >that really is bothering some people. With others I think they > would just > >like to do the work themselves. I'm willing to get off of $100 > but I know > >most others are not. Since the cheapest mounting and balancing > I have seen > >so far is from Art @ $22 that's only 5 tires. > > > >Glenn > > > > > > > >> Somehow I just have a hard time believing that it's actually > EASIER to go > >> through all this hassle, with 32 people each owning an > expensive part of > >> an > >> expensive tire changer, than it is to find someone who already > has a tire > >> changer and will do it for you ... like a dealer or an accessory shop. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 15:09:20 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13929 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA28056; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:01:41 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027819; Tue, 15 Sep 98 15:00:52 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZC00IXBA1MNR@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256680.00681029 ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:56:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:42:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Enduro Bike To: Linda Tanner Cc: Dc-Cycles Message-id: <85256680.0066C6E2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Linda, I'd be a little cautious with a 23 year old bike and only 2k miles. That would lead me to surmise that it has spent MANY years in storage. Did the previous owner put it to bed right? It could have dried out seals, rusty chain & sporkets, rusty tank, funky carb(s), etc. The tires could be the originals and dry rotted to hell ... I understand that lower mileage helps keep the value of a bike over time, but the price seems inflated to me. --chris To: Linda Tanner , Dc-Cycles cc: From: Michael Troutman Date: 09/15/98 06:13:16 PM GMT Subject: Re: Enduro Bike Seems WAY high to me. In 1985 I bought a 78 Yamaha DT125 for $300. It was in perfect condition (besides its weight and age). Just about any running bike is worth $200. Offer that much. Only 2k miles? At 01:46 PM 9/15/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >I am looking for an enduro/dual sport bike and I've found a 75 Yamaha DT >enduro 125. It's a 2-stroke and purported to be in good shape with 2k >miles. The MCN page has been down since at least Saturday and I don't think >they go back that far anyway. > >So, the questions are: >Does anyone have any info on this bike? >The price is $1500. This seems rather high to me. What do you think? > >TIA > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) >I don?t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. >"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not >sure about the former." - Albert Einstein >Q: Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? >PAUL LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles so easily. > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 15:20:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14493 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21420 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28833 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WJTVa20020 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:17:38 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Some FLAMINGLY good quotes!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 "A closed mouth gathers no feet" and "It's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it." Some people on the list need to discuss certain items OFF the list. I can't speak for everyone, but I hate having to wade through 90+ emails because a couple of people can't keep their mouth shut. As I've said before, discussion is good, heated debate is enjoyable, and loud mouthed rantings and infantile insults have no place in a public forum such as this. Save it! Reply privately! Get off it already! Need I say more? -Sean "Have a nice cold can of shut-the-hell-up" Jordan From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 15:41:03 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15376 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 6VRDa27969; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <180b1b03.35fec27c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:39:40 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 8:36:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << There will be a few average sportbike riders on that trip who just might give you some exhaust fumes to breathe. >> I am an average sportbike rider. What's the point? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 15:44:16 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15465 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id QACBa16073; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <179eac00.35fec33d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:42:53 EDT To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 10:11:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << Yes, they will go faster with a sportbike than a cruiser >> Exactly my point. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 16:02:34 1998 Return-Path: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16359 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:02:32 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id QAA26166 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:02:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199809152002.QAA26166@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:02:09 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:02:09 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:02:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:13:12 -0400 Subject: RE: The Squid inside To: Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...exactly...like a V65 Magna/Sabre..and anyone who's ridden one of these beasts will attest to the fact that whatever they may be, they're certainly *not* boring, heavy or or gawdsakes..SLOW! ;-) cheers, -aki > Overweight? Not true of all cruisers. I'd say my cruiser weighs less then > most sportbikes. At 399 dry its pretty damn light. Not only that but it > handles fairly well. Ask anyone on the list that's rode it. Of course its > not a typical cruiser being a V4 and only 500cc. Like I said watch what you > say about other types of bikes. You just might have one of those heavy, > slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the turns one day. > > Glenn > > > > > Sportbikes are exciting, agile, quick, cruisers are slow, > > overweight, and boring. Kinda like having a convertible Lincon. The only > > excitement is having the wind blow in your face......... > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 16:03:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16379 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22294 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00452 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:03:15 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA22407; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:05:15 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022272; Tue, 15 Sep 98 16:04:46 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZC002I9D14AT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256680.006DF7A5 ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:01:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:01:43 -0400 Subject: We have reached step 2 (wasRe: Some FLAMINGLY good quotes!!!!) To: Eternity23@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256680.006DEC31.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It's nice to see some things never change ... To recap ... Round One: Two people engage in flame war (see previous 90+ messages) Round Two: Someone gets upset about it, rebukes them publicly, thus fanning flame war. (see below) Round Three: Offended individuals changing flame war topic to either a) it'a a free world I can say what I want and you can't stop me, nyah, nyah, or b) Hey, can't you find your own friggin delete key, kill file or e-mail filter? (see next 90+ messages) Round Four: Things eventually calm down and all returns to normal. I figure if this list survived the Squeakers escapade, it'll survive about anything. Ding, Ding .... time for Round Three, chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: 09/15/98 07:17:38 PM GMT Subject: Some FLAMINGLY good quotes!!!! "A closed mouth gathers no feet" and "It's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it." Some people on the list need to discuss certain items OFF the list. I can't speak for everyone, but I hate having to wade through 90+ emails because a couple of people can't keep their mouth shut. As I've said before, discussion is good, heated debate is enjoyable, and loud mouthed rantings and infantile insults have no place in a public forum such as this. Save it! Reply privately! Get off it already! 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 16:07:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16468 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22374 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00699 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:07:28 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA17863; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809151956.PAA17863@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <6dcb08da.35fe875b@aol.com> from "WantAZX6@aol.com" at Sep 15, 98 11:27:23 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > OK first of all, I didn't realize that was emailed directly to me. I could > have sworn I saw the list addy at the top. I apologize. OK, to dispense with > the pleasantries: > FK&&&& That is enough. Welcome to my kill file, Jack. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 16:10:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16498 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22415 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00795 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:09:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WKKKa11929 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:08:27 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 4:07:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zbig@XXXXXX writes: << That is enough. Welcome to my kill file, Jack. >> Im scarred for life. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 16:14:53 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16848 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA02449 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980915201416.NJQS18768@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:14:16 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Tooting my own horn :) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:13:45 -0400 Message-ID: <002701bde0e5$5741bae0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal You have published authors in your midst DC-Cycles. Go to your local dealer and pick up the latest issue of Winding Roads Motorcycle Times. For those of you who have attended a CAMS run, you'll note that John Weinstein has a regular article called CyberSlabbin'. Linda Tanner has written to the 'Women on Wheels' feature as a contributing voice from the female rider perspective. And yours truly has finally found a place for a story I wrote last year. It is a feature article discussing what it must be like to lose interest in motorcycling and the need for change in ones life to keep it interesting. Available in a motorcycle dealership near you. Comments welcome. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 16:18:26 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16939 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:18:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 6UHIa20006; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b43e312.35feca84@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:13:56 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 8:36:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << You are apparently on a roll the last couple days running your mouth. >> And frankly, if you read what I wrote it was a statement of what I believe to be fact, and inoffensive in terms of wording. "Running your mouth" is an offensive remark which I don't really need to hear, from what I surmise is an ill-mannered person. If you can't respond in a civil manner, after all this for me is a discussion not an argument, please don't respond to me at all. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 16:35:52 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17822 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 185; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:35:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35FECF99.342C9C40@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:35:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer , DC Cycles List CC: Bikes R Us Subject: Re: The Tire Changer References: <001f01bde0dc$1feb8e80$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > There are a couple > of other LD riders here who see the 'immediate' benefits as well. > Some are just a little more thrifty than others :) Did someone just call me a cheapskate? :) I'm still firmly straddling the fence on this. I'll let you know at the party. What it boils down to, I'd happily have a dealer mount and balance my tires if I brought in the rim for say, $10. Any tire, regardless of where I bought it. Mail order or from your own store, it shouldn't matter. $10 is worth the cursing and sweating that I'd have to go through. $15 and I start to cringe. $20 and I feel like I'm getting robbed. Hey, where's that new dealer guy? What's your take on all of this? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 17:03:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19104 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23352 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03663 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WXHTa20020 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1006eb0a.35fed560@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:00:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: We have reached step 2 - Squeakers???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 4:11:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: << I figure if this list survived the Squeakers escapade, it'll survive about anything. >> Would someone mind filling me in on this Squeakers thing? Ive heard of it several times but have no idea what's it about. Thanks. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 17:12:06 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19262 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-179.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.179]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA31911; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:47:31 -0400 Message-ID: <35FED1FA.98A84F01@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:45:46 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Authors (was:Tooting) References: <002701bde0e5$5741bae0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dr. John also has an article in the Gov't section of the AMA magazine. Sash Dow got his pic in that one. Congrats to all. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. Todd Peer wrote: > > You have published authors in your midst DC-Cycles. Go to your local > dealer and pick up the latest issue of Winding Roads Motorcycle Times. > > For those of you who have attended a CAMS run, you'll note that John > Weinstein has a regular article called CyberSlabbin'. > > Linda Tanner has written to the 'Women on Wheels' feature as a > contributing voice from the female rider perspective. > > And yours truly has finally found a place for a story I wrote last year. > It is a feature article discussing what it must be like to lose interest > in motorcycling and the need for change in ones life to keep it interesting. > > Available in a motorcycle dealership near you. Comments welcome. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 18:23:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22461 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24619 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06746 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 7WXNa08189; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:22:31 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 12:20:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << except the bikes a big HP > sportbike will usually whip a small bike. Like I said, Im talking equal > riders. >> I think that this discussion handled properly can be interesting. For an historical perspective one only has to look at what happened in 1966 when Mike "The Bike" Hailwood left MV Agusta and went to Honda leaving his teammate, a young Giacomo Agostini with MV. I believe that Hailwood was a much better rider than Agostini at that point in time, but lost the championship to Agostini and MV. The MV was an all new 3 cylinder so Agostini was as unfamiliar with the new MV as Hailwood was with the new 500 cc Honda. It is quite apparent to me that the better rider with a slightly less capable handling bike lost to a rider that had less experience and less ability at the time. Racing history (automobile and motorcycle) highlights situations in which an exceptional rider/driver is able to overcome the limitations of his machine and beats a rider/driver on a superior machine. It is highlighted because it rarely happens. Usually, the better machine with a competitive but not the best rider/driver wins. Haga in WSB is probably the best rider out there, but because he has a less capable bike (Yamaha), he crashes often (trying to keep up) and is always way out on the edge while Fogarthy, Corser, Chili and Slight on more capable bikes (Ducati & Honda) are winning. Russel on the same Yamaha like Haga and a competitive rider is not even in the picture. The differences between the capabilities of these bikes is much less than those between a modern sportbike and a modern cruiser. On the street, if a corner is safe and manageable at 60 MPH on a sportbike it may be similarly safe and manageable on a cruiser at 40 MPH. The cruiser rider with exceptional ability can take the corner at 60 MPH but does so at more risk than the sportbike rider, hence, it is an easier corner for the sportbike rider who may be a less capable rider. I hope this mini treatise doesn't offend anyone. And no, I don't want to race anyone on the street. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 19:15:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24814 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25490 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09447 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-02.dial.nova.org (pm1-02.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.130]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA29686; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:15:41 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:15:38 GMT Message-ID: <35fff470.596690949@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:22:31 EDT, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >I hope this mini treatise doesn't offend anyone. Certainly, I'm not offended. However, I think the point that's missing here is that the average sportbike rider in the DC metro area (perhaps in the whole of the USA) is woefully unskilled. This allows a skilled rider on just about any bike the opportunity to "show up" that average sportbike rider. Track experience alone pretty much knocks one out of the "average sportbike rider" category as far as I'm concerned. >And no, I don't want to race anyone on the street. LOL Unfortunately, there's far too much of it occuring in real life... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 20:02:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26869 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25961 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10512 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:01:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id SLNOa11930; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:00:33 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:00:33 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/15/98 7:15:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << Certainly, I'm not offended. However, I think the point that's missing here is that the average sportbike rider in the DC metro area (perhaps in the whole of the USA) is woefully unskilled. >> Well if you haven't gathered from my earlier posts, I am Italian and rode (and raced) in that country. Road riding in Italy is not much different than riding on the track. There were no speed limits on the autostrada and on normal roads there was no enforcement. While there are limits now, they are rarely enforced. When I was growing up you could ride an unlimited HP bike at 18 but one had 4 years of riding experience on a 50cc (2 years) and 125cc (2 years) on the road before getting an unlimited license at 18. Now you must be 21 or 22 depending on your licensing history to have an unlimited license. In short, the average rider in Italy (and probably Europe) is much more accustomed to high speed riding and are probably better prepared. Next year my daughter who is 13 will turn 14 and will have a bike or scooter to ride on the road when we go home for the summer, by the time she is 16 she will know how to ride quite well. Ciao, Fred (Alfredo) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 20:38:59 1998 Return-Path: Lodicojoe@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28293 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Lodicojoe@XXXXXX Received: from Lodicojoe@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 3TUVa10121 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:38:16 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:38:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: RD-350 parts bikes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Hi, just a quick note... I'm cleaning out the garage and I have (2) RD-350 parts bikes for sale. One with a title, rolling chassis and with out an engine. The other has the engine but no title. Both are good for parts only as the cosmetics are in poor shape. E-mail me if interested. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 20:56:42 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA29161 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.72] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00883 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:59:42 -0400 Message-ID: <014e01bde10c$46279be0$4873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: 1999 CBR600F4 & CBR1100XX Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:52:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I just got this: The hottest motorcycle release of 1999. Now playing on select monitors. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 21:20:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00294 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26803 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12080 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.90] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00962; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:23:50 -0400 Message-ID: <016e01bde10f$a54ba8c0$4873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:14:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Wait a minute. Aren't you the guy who took your bike apart to do a valve adjustment & couldn't even finish the job & put it back together right? Does your bike even run? Also, nobody said anything to you to deserve being cussed with the F word. Flame & post all you want but that is just not neccessary. The man posed a fair challenge to you. Step up or go home. >F*** YOU! I dont give a f*** how hot you think you are. Ill take you up on >that offer Miguel.....better yet, why dont you ride your RS? Moped cant >handle it? Or maybe its stalling out every lap again? Hmm.....sure was funny >watching you push that thing back to the pits every lap last track >day......mighty fine wrench you turn so dont say shit to me about mechanical >work. My POS TL, which is light years ahead of any junk you ride, can handle >it just fine. And let me guess? You want a head start right? >HAHAHA......dude, stop trying to save face and get all fired up making >challenges and s***. It aint worth it to either of us to risk anything for >something stupid like this. Just cool down and let it go. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 21:28:05 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00643 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr3-dialup4.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EZC0055IS1KPG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:27:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:23:52 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: The Squid inside To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <002001bde129$d85ca1a0$844337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Overweight? Not true of all cruisers. I'd say my cruiser weighs less then >most sportbikes. At 399 dry its pretty damn light. Not only that but it >handles fairly well. Ask anyone on the list that's rode it. Of course its >not a typical cruiser being a V4 and only 500cc. Like I said watch what you >say about other types of bikes. You just might have one of those heavy, >slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the turns one day. > >Glenn Point well taken, but I was just being cynical.......and if I do get passed in the turns it's my riding. Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 21:34:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00761 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26952 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12351 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:34:12 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WWVJa20020 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:33:36 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:33:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: 1999 CBR600F4 & CBR1100XX Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_905909616_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905909616_boundary Content-ID: <0_905909616@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_905909616_boundary Content-ID: <0_905909616@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Return-path: To: bnorton@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 1999 CBR600F4 & CBR1100XX Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:32:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit the F4 is in the new Motorcyclist magazine too.. with an all too sexy BMW R1100S. Sean... --part0_905909616_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 21:44:44 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01204 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr3-dialup4.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EZC00AA4ST3I3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:43:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:40:33 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Squidly - twisty roads To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <005301bde12c$2530aec0$844337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Why do you think bikes like Hawks and EX500s are such popular race bikes? Sure, they're generally cheaper than bigger, newer bikes. However, they provide the essential element of sport riding - fun, fast cornering. Kirk Hey, don't forget the FZR 400!!! One of the best little race bikes(under 600cc) you can get cheap, and be competitive right out of the box. Talk about carrying corner speed. Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 21:44:52 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01215 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:44:50 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA18472; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809160147.VAA18472@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: 1999 CBR600F4 & CBR1100XX To: bnorton@XXXXXX (Bruce Norton) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <014e01bde10c$46279be0$4873c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> from "Bruce Norton" at Sep 15, 98 08:52:19 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > I just got this: > > The hottest motorcycle release of 1999. Now playing on select monitors. > > You are cordially invited to a special sneak preview of the blockbuster new > Honda motorcycle. To take advantage of this advance screening, come see the > bike everyone's talking about at http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/exclusive. > > Remember, the Honda Motorcycle Web site is your best source for up-to-date > new-model information. > Fuel injection and ram-air. To quote Craig after ride on my XX "who would need so much power..." and 99 will have even more. Now, question on how tough it will be to retrofit Fi & Ram into my old XX.... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 21:47:47 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01580 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA21375; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35FF43FE.3B6C@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:52:14 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Boiade@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Boiade@XXXXXX in response to Dysart@XXXXXX who wrote: << You just might have one of those heavy,slow, boring cruisers blow you away in the << turns one day. A rather unlikely event, taking corners at the highest speed possible is what the engineers design sportbikes for. A corner taken at a speed that is the at the maximum handling limit for a cruiser type motorcycle is well within the handling limits of a sportbike. A sportbike will also accelerate out of a corner quicker when the danger of low-siding is over. So an excellent rider with a cruiser is often hard-pressed to keep up with an average rider on a sportbike. It's all a matter of steering geometry, tires, suspension, weight distribution, brakes and power to weight ratio. It's like telling a guy with a Corvette he better watch out for a Cadillac in the corners. ======================================================== Fred, You are right to a certain degree, but I think Glenn's point(s) carry more weight. I have a buddy on an '86 Concours who keeps up quite well with bikes far more sportier-lighter-faster. I know it's his ability. Similarly, in having ridden with Glenn more then a few times, he is more often the leader in the twisties than he is not. My sense is that spells something for his ability, not his baby-'ceptor-equipped "cruiser". Of course, it's a light bike and I think it's speed (in the corners) may be enhanced by the fact that there is no dust or dirt on it to increase wind resistance (small dig at Glenn's obsessiveness ;) There are going to be physical limitations (in the machine) but I myself have witnessed that rider expertise goes a long way too. JK From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 22:49:09 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03899 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-29.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.70]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA31738 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:49:03 -0400 Message-ID: <01c501bde11c$6e314ae0$4610b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Because it's there -- NY trip report Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:46:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 OK -- those with years on-saddle can tune out. This is a first-timers DC-NY trip report. Lengthy. The driving force -- of course, taking in the Guggenheim MC exhibit. As of a week ago, still hadn't seen this must take. Options -- train/plane/bus, rent-a-car, or venture forth for the first time on a motorcycle into NJ Tpke/NYC (who's streets my feet know well, but for years have left the driving to others). To cut short. With the NYC option toothbrushed (and clean socks +) I found myself north of Baltimore on the 750 after some business at 1p Saturday with the decision -- Bike or other. Well, let's see. The weather was perfect and forecast so. Traffic this off weekend normal. My schedule squeezeable. The 750 purring. And "It's there, so climb it" (paraphrasing an old quote). Why Not? Done. Decide to sneak in to Manhattan the next morning while it's still asleep. Up 95 to NJT to North Brunswick (Exit 9). Always amazed at indicated 85mph cruising on those pikes. Tolls again and again exchanging bills, tickets, change, the whole trip while staying out of the booth center lanes. Potential disaster endured, at service plaza, no less. Getting gas. Just topped off, and cleaning up the inevitable little tpke nozzle spill, when a loud THUMP turned my head, then a slight spray of something on my face -- smelled like GASOLINE. What the *&%. Start running back, then stop. See a lady on the other side pumps 20 feet along, stopped, gas flap open. The fillhose, left in her tank as she drove away then jerked out, lay on the ground, detached from the main hose section which was hanging from above the pump flopping around, dripping gas, near me and the 750. Thank you designers for adding that safety breakaway-and-shutoff feature in the line or barbecue would have been imminent. Asked attendant "Does this happen often?" "Just today." Rethink continuing. Decide lightning cant strike . . .. Stay with friend in North Brunswick, head to G'm at 6a. Lotsa traffic on Su nday morning, to surprise. Make sure I don't need fuel in NYC. Lincoln Tunnel. Tubes are definitely darker. Hey, stupid. No rising sun in tunnel. Flip up smoke shield. Grimace at CO2, grunge from bus ahead. Take 10th to 86th and over. Country-like, dodge potholes, gravel, and horse piles, along with myriad city hazards. Arrive, park legally right in front, 1-2 others waiting, at 8:30a for 10a opening. Take mandatory pics. Walk around neighborhood, buy film. Back to wait. Glorious day, lots of runners, bicyclers, dogwalkers out. Strike it up with HD rider parked next to me. Nice bike, knowledgeable about a lot in NYC. Probably a wrench, also, I figured. This to haunt me later. At 10a, probably 200 people in line (this next to last exhibit weekend in NYC) strung around the corner. Perhaps 25 bikes around on 5th Avenue. Exhibit great, as reviewed. While I thought I'd be "seeing it all" by the 4th floor, kept lapping it up through the 7th. Amazing imaginations, commitment, in this display of tech entrance to personal physical freedom. Lots and lots of people. Run into HD rider again about the 6th. He's with someone, they're talking about cams. He turns, looks at me, says hi again, then says "Say, can you explain what an overhead cam is". I'm floored. Zip read of this fellow I had figured as a motorhead. So I discoursed for a minute or so on OHC, timing chains, gears, alternative of pushrods, rockers, etc. So proud, from pre-biker days. Talk with several people. They support biking in Manhattan. My early Sunday morning trip very comfortable. "I could get used to this" I say. Left at 1:15p. Line still around corner. Probably 100 bikes around. Warm. Make choice about route back. It's a magnificent day, think of sights to view from the bike, decide on scenic route. Head to 2nd Ave for quick trip to Brooklyn Br., via 278 across Narrows, Garden State to Lewes, home. The Gods forsake me. Sunday traffic on 2nd a hot zoo around the 60's and 30's. Trouble getting to Br Br. Should have taken FDR. Then big interchange in Brooklyn single-laned for constn. 2 hrs to Narrows from G'm. A.W.F.U.L. Put biking in Manhattan on hold. But the Verrazano Narrows Br Magnificent. Traffic slow so I get to peruse the breathtaking view. And back. Time crunch dictated NJT vice GSP. Sunday aft/eve traffic a step up, and some wild ones around, switching three or four lanes at a whiplash without signals. Whew. With casual stops, home at 7p. Lots of biker-waving up and back. Made the capricious cagers bearable. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 IMHO the "Art. . ." show neglected this live one Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 23:23:16 1998 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05528 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 03:23:12 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22882 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Tire Changer In-Reply-To: <001901bde0d8$969448a0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > all talk and no walk for this tire changer. To the point, due to some > of the same kind of comments made by you and Alex M. last week, I > decided to finish up and if need be put this issue to bed, with or > without the tool. Hey like... keep me out of this, Todd! I must say I've been impressed with the sheer rabid hatred on this list lately, but am glad to say that I have so far been able to avoid it! My apologies if I made any commets you construed as an affront to you, I simply questioned the affordability of those darn things. Didn't mean to imply that you were somehow failing to make it happen - was just wondering about the logistics. (How's that for backpedaling, eh?) I dont know about $100.. I'm having trouble finding $200 for a new set of tires.. much less $100 for a balancer.. perhaps if we save up a bit over winter (I know I'm pretty much tapped out till summertime hits) we can go from there? I dont mind pitching in $30-40 as was proposed originally.. but $100 is a bit steep. Ah well. I'm curious if the list is going to get better or worse over winter.. seems like worse from what I've seen too far.. all that pent up energy from not being able to ride.. should be interesting! Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 23:28:40 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05626 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr1-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EZC001TWXMKKI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:27:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:24:36 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Tooting my own horn :) To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <009401bde13a$ae2428c0$174337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Speaking of that, I just picked up a copy a couple days ago and noticed that Linda and Todd were published. Good read and it's free. Linda, that was very insightful into your start with riding. Todd, nice commentary. Will this be a regular thing? Too bad it doesn't come out more often. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: DC-Cycles Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:34 PM Subject: Tooting my own horn :) > >You have published authors in your midst DC-Cycles. Go to your local >dealer and pick up the latest issue of Winding Roads Motorcycle Times. > >For those of you who have attended a CAMS run, you'll note that John >Weinstein has a regular article called CyberSlabbin'. > >Linda Tanner has written to the 'Women on Wheels' feature as a >contributing voice from the female rider perspective. > >And yours truly has finally found a place for a story I wrote last year. >It is a feature article discussing what it must be like to lose interest >in motorcycling and the need for change in ones life to keep it interesting. > >Available in a motorcycle dealership near you. Comments welcome. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 23:32:13 1998 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05977 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 03:32:08 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23557 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:32:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday... In-Reply-To: <199809151539.LAA04542@radagast.wizard.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I fear that this list may soon be shut down for a sanity break (those > of you who were here for the Squeakers debacle know why). I hate inside jokes. Could you please fill the rest of us in? Or could anyone for that matter? I've seen ~5 references to this "incident" today. And everyone assuming we all know what theyre talking about. How about it.. catch up us remidial folks! Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 15 23:59:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06953 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28531 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15403 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:56:07 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: add on bags and balance Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01bde125$e631b9e0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal To everybody with Givis (and other add on bags) Has the balance been much affected? Any problems with crosswinds? Any problems I might not know about or think to ask about? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:15:01 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07781 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr1-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EZC0038VZQZIF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:13:49 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:10:27 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Precision measuring caliper To: Todd Peer , DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00f101bde141$15ff0400$174337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 > >Anyone have one of these puppies and are willing to loan out? Know where I >can get a loaner, or better yet, buy one? > >The ST is in serious need of a valve adjustment and I'd like to have >everything I need to do it before getting started. That last one I did, I >relied on the printed numbers on the shims. Seemed to work fine, but I >think I'd like to measure as well. > >TIA, > >Todd Todd, you should be able to find one in any local auto parts store. Look for either a micrometer(0-1") or a vernier caliper. If you don't want to fork over the cash(they're not cheap), you can borrow mine. I have a digital vernier caliper that measures metric and standard. No guessing, gives out a numeric reading. If you break it, you buy it($100), but I trust you. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:22:29 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07929 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr1-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EZD002W404EV8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:21:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:18:30 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday... To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00fb01bde142$36200080$174337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >I fear that this list may soon be shut down for a sanity break (those >of you who were here for the Squeakers debacle know why). If it >is, please email me directly at "2xracers@XXXXXX" if you'd like >to go riding Saturday. > >Anita >'96 GPZ1100 (whew, it's getting hot in here) A ride Sat.??? I might be game.......... Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:23:55 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07939 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr1-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EZD0024706RV8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:23:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:19:55 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: We have reached step 2 (wasRe: Some FLAMINGLY good quotes!!!!) To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <010201bde142$6826b420$174337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >It's nice to see some things never change ... > >To recap ... > >Round One: Two people engage in flame war (see previous 90+ messages) Uhh, sorry to come out swinging in the first round.......... Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:31:05 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08359 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lciqq.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.90]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA05032; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980916002918.006b6cd0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:29:18 -0400 To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: The Squid inside Cc: Boiade@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35FF43FE.3B6C@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Friends, Maybe this can help ease things a bit... one may have to work harder on a cruiser to do the same thing that a sport bike rider can do easily. I've traded off a few times with my friend and he was riding at the time a CB750 Custom... although I could keep up with him while he was on my VFR, I did have to work a lot harder and be just that more "on my toes" than if I'd been riding my VFR. Later, Tom '86 VFR750 > >Fred, > >You are right to a certain degree, but I think Glenn's point(s) carry >more weight. I have a buddy on an '86 Concours who keeps up quite well >with bikes far more sportier-lighter-faster. I know it's his ability. > >Similarly, in having ridden with Glenn more then a few times, he is more >often the leader in the twisties than he is not. My sense is that spells >something for his ability, not his baby-'ceptor-equipped "cruiser". Of >course, it's a light bike and I think it's speed (in the corners) may be >enhanced by the fact that there is no dust or dirt on it to increase >wind resistance (small dig at Glenn's obsessiveness ;) > >There are going to be physical limitations (in the machine) but I myself >have witnessed that rider expertise goes a long way too. > >JK > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:51:34 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09212 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Polaris Victory!! Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:01 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01bde12d$2f51a660$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <35FEA2F1.CDF71356@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Well, the Polaris was always intended to be marketed at the HD and HD clones. And I think it succeeds better there than just about any bike (except maybe the Vulc. Classic and the Suzi. 1500). It looks 'traditional' while still having some unique and modern lines. Others (the Shadow series by Honda) are just way too retro. Others are too much a knockoff of HD. BTW, anybody see that new Kawi-Indian clone? Really nifty. Except for the hideous seat. I bet Corbin et. al. make a TON of money selling solo seats for it. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Yeah. I'm not too keen on the looks of the Polaris (too cruiser- > esqe for me, I like big standards) but maybe they'll come around. > I do like the idea of more American motorcycle companies, > competition is always good for the consumer. I'll be watching > the reports of Polaris rideability and reliability with interest. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:51:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09209 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00534 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16232 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Michael Troutman" , Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:47:56 -0400 Message-ID: <005901bde12d$2c99d960$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980915123207.00a07350@www.troutman.org> Importance: Normal It is quite obvious. However, considering Jack's tone and language in earlier posts, it seemed he was denying even this truism. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Isnt that point relatively obvious though? All things being equal a car > with more HP will beat a car with less.....A runner in better shape...(etc > ad. nauseum) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:51:46 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09229 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "David Wakefield" , Subject: RE: Polaris disappoints me. Not very smart... Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01bde12d$3525f5a0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Ahh, yes, that manly fantasy of riding only on those 12 days (Saturdays and Sundays only, BTW) between Memorial Day and Labor Day when it is exactly 83 degrees, 20% humidity, and a nice 15 mph breeze. Give me a break. So there isn't a new poseur-mobile for you. Now I remember how much I couldn't tolerate the Times. As for conformity... You show how much you rebel by buying a bike that is similar in design to the HDs? Why not get a R12C if you must have a cruiser, or maybe a Laverda if you REALLY want to be a non-conformist. Was this article on the web, or did you just hand copy it? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: David Wakefield [mailto:DavidW@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 2:04 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Polaris disappoints me. Not very smart... > > > I have an article from the Washington Times, February 21, 1997 issue on > the bulletin board in my office announcing Polaris' intention to > build bikes. > > It says the bikes will be available to the public in the Spring of 1998. > > So, a bike is finally available, but it isn't Spring anymore. > > "Oh, boo hoo hoo. The emissions tests were tougher than we thought. > Boo hoo hoo. The parts suppliers didn't come through for us." > > The excuses are lame! Polaris is a multi-million dollar corporation with > assembly lines, research/development teams, marketers, etc. already in > place. What's the hold-up for? > > I wanted so desperately to point out a Victory to the teeming masses at > Rolling Thunder and say, "Look at that, you pig-nosed conformist! You're > not the only game in town anymore!" > > Alas, my fantasy wasn't to be. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:51:49 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09232 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:34 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Tooting my own horn :) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:21 -0400 Message-ID: <006001bde12d$3acf8b60$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <002701bde0e5$5741bae0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Importance: Normal Thanks for reminding me. It's almost the only reason I go to ACP anymore:) The current issue is Sept./Oct.?? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:51:51 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09234 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: The Tire Changer Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01bde12d$39b23480$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199809151839.OAA12580@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal Not sure how you'd break a tire changer... As for balancing, you could put together one of those pocket balancers mentioned on the ibmwr page (http://www.ibmwr.org for those of you who might be interested) for about 20 bucks or so. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:51:52 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09236 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:31 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , Subject: RE: Polaris disappoints me. Not very smart... Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:18 -0400 Message-ID: <005e01bde12d$38e8ca00$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B99D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Importance: Normal Isn't this Polaris' first air cooled, fuellie, four stroke? Quite a stretch from those two strokes in the jet skis (don't know what a snowmobile uses, but I'm sure it's only marginally, if at all, similar to the current product.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:52:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09267 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00585 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16251 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:49:28 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:48:22 -0400 Message-ID: <006101bde12d$3b7f0540$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Hmm, yup, can be a decent discussion. Let's cut, copy, paste, etc, and get this into a nice, rebuttable form... > I think that this discussion handled properly can be interesting. For an > historical perspective one only has to look at what happened in > 1966 when Mike > "The Bike" Hailwood left MV Agusta and went to Honda leaving his > teammate, a > young Giacomo Agostini with MV. I believe that Hailwood was a much better > rider than Agostini at that point in time, but lost the championship to > Agostini and MV. Not sure, but from what I've read (and heard from my old man, who seemed to think of Hailwood in terms similar to what he thought of Clapton...) Mike was much better than Ago. But he wasn't as particular about bike tuning. He'd prefer to ride around a problem, if it wasn't 100%. You can't compare these two bikes, or these two riders. The only test is to compare the same rider, making times on two different bikes (tuned to the same 'feel' or level of comfort) or to have two riders on the same bike (or same model). (WSB name/brand dropping snipped. I'm not familiar enough with the particulars to debate anything but generalities on this one) > The > differences > between the capabilities of these bikes is much less than those between a > modern sportbike and a modern cruiser. And what are the differences between the riders? Not much. At this level of competition, differences in lap times are hundredths of a second. Each rider has to be at an exceptionally high level. Maybe even higher than Glenn and Collin:) > On the street, if a corner is safe and manageable at 60 MPH on a > sportbike it > may be similarly safe and manageable on a cruiser at 40 MPH. The cruiser > rider with exceptional ability can take the corner at 60 MPH but > does so at > more risk than the sportbike rider, hence, it is an easier corner for the > sportbike rider who may be a less capable rider. Not neccessarily. Let's compare... A Porsche and a Taurus. The Porsche handles much better (the old air-cooled job, BTW) but had a tendency to do weird things if you didn't know how to drive it. Give it the wrong amount of throttle mid turn, and you'd easily spin out. No such problem on the Taurus, it's much more forgiving. Now, let's compare... Suzuki Savage to a TL1000S. The Savage is going to return to straight line easier, and probably be less likely to do stupid things in a panic situation than the TLS, making it a better choice for newbies. Put that newbie on the TLS, and all sorts of dumb stuff is likely to happen. Stoppies, wheelies, tankslappers, and who knows what? > I hope this mini treatise doesn't offend anyone. Certainly not. We might be able to have a rational discussion about it (and, FWIW, I doubt we'll see eye to eye on it either:). > And no, I don't want to race anyone on the street. LOL Only stoplight drags against rice-boys:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 00:57:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09615 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00619 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16314 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WVMEa09043 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f18237a.35ff451e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:57:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Can we all just calm down? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Hey all. I realize that I made a mistake with posting my original message. I thought I had made it clear that I was not trying to offend anyone. I also thought that any responses would be directed at me rather than the list. Apparently I was wrong in both respects. When it comes down to it, we all have something in common: motorcycles. It shouldn't matter what make, model, style or whatever else, as long as it is a motorcycle. It shouldn't matter how we ride, where we ride, or who we choose to ride with. We all simply have a passion for motorcycles. And most importantly riding them. Can't we all just put our differences aside and enjoy a nice ride together? I seem to recall that Anita was thinking of going for a ride on Saturday. I plan on being there. I hope those of you mature enough to drop your arguments and move on will be there too. Again, I apologize for instigating such a flame war. It was irresponsible of me, though I handed intended such an outcome. Ride safe! Robert "boy did I screw up this time" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 02:23:41 1998 Return-Path: true@XXXXXX Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA13596 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-70.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.70]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id XAA25585; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809160353.XAA25585@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:50:14 -0400 To: Alex Milenkovic , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: The Tire Changer In-Reply-To: References: <001901bde0d8$969448a0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Who says we don't ride in the Winter? MET At 11:23 PM 9/15/98 , Alex Milenkovic wrote: >Ah well. I'm curious if the list is going to get better or worse >over winter.. seems like worse from what I've seen too far.. all that >pent up energy from not being able to ride.. should be interesting! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 04:20:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18757 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03045 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA18985 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s29.wizard.net [206.161.15.59]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA16457 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:20:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980916041958.00a01740@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:19:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Art of the Motorcycle - was: Re: Because it's there -- NY trip report In-Reply-To: <01c501bde11c$6e314ae0$4610b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those who want to see the exhibit, it closes on the 20th. Get there early as there will be lines for sure. I think one can reserve ahead somehow - look at the Guggenheim web page for that - http://www.guggenheim.org/ . I hit the exhibit 2 weekends ago (in a cage, not a bike :-( ). It was pretty good. I think what was strong about it was time span it covered, and the rarities. A better collection of BritIron and vintage Harleys/Indians can be found at the Baltimore MC show each year, but that show won't have as fine an example of an R32, or a Mordibelli (sp? - the $100k V8 from Italy), or an MV August (drool; the swingarm is especially gorgeous). I also enjoyed the ex-Navy HD; the rifle holster on the forks is a nice touch. ;-) Another fun point about the exhibit for me was Frank Gerhy's treatment of F.L. Wright's landmark building... kinda humorous, in fact. (Aside: there has been some controversy about this exhibit in the 'art circles' because they charge its not an 'art' exhibit, just a money-maker for the museum. Which is fair, because in the exhibit itself there is no explicit verbal narrative about industrial design, though I think there is a narrative for each on an implied level. Perhaps the catalog provides some better verbage, but I haven't had a chance to read my copy yet. However, I personally couldn't care less about the 'morality' of exhibit.) >At 10a, probably 200 people in line (this next to last exhibit weekend in >NYC) strung around the corner. Perhaps 25 bikes around on 5th Avenue. > >Exhibit great, as reviewed. While I thought I'd be "seeing it all" by the >4th floor, kept lapping it up through the 7th. Amazing imaginations, >commitment, in this display of tech entrance to personal physical freedom. >Lots and lots of people. > >Run into HD rider again about the 6th. He's with someone, they're talking >about cams. He turns, looks at me, says hi again, then says "Say, can you >explain what an overhead cam is". I'm floored. Zip read of this fellow I >had figured as a motorhead. So I discoursed for a minute or so on OHC, >timing chains, gears, alternative of pushrods, rockers, etc. So proud, from >pre-biker days. > Saw lots of bikes while I was there. There is a NYC mc web page at http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/ . >Talk with several people. They support biking in Manhattan. My early >Sunday >morning trip very comfortable. "I could get used to this" I say. > The Verrazano provides a great view, but its 7 f***ing dollars (cage) to cross! >The Gods forsake me. Sunday traffic on 2nd a hot zoo around the 60's and >30's. Trouble getting to Br Br. Should have taken FDR. Then big >interchange >in Brooklyn single-laned for constn. 2 hrs to Narrows from G'm. A.W.F.U.L. >Put biking in Manhattan on hold. But the Verrazano Narrows Br Magnificent. >Traffic >slow so I get to peruse the breathtaking view. Tom 1980 CX500D From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 04:26:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19051 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03101 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA19038 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:26:46 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s29.wizard.net [206.161.15.59]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA16584 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:27:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980916042633.00a03250@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:26:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone have/know where I can find some hardbags appropriate for my CX500? Prefferably old and battered ones (but with keys) to match the rest of the bike. ;-) I'm going to call some used parts places today, but I suspect that they won't have much. Regarding the recent flame war, IMHO we should all view 'squid' as a sort of ethnic slur (not that I am say that its at the same level of (im)morality as an ethnic slur) and refrain from using it as much as possible. Tom 1980 CX500D From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 06:46:38 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24741 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Sqeakers Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:45:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) For this inquiring minds that don't know Sqeakers she is one our very charming former listers. Check out here page: http://www.erols.com/squeakers/ Glenn From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 06:46:30 1998 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from oak.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24739 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA19240; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:46:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:46:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Alex Milenkovic cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Squeakers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alex -- Squeakers isn't really an inside joke... Squeakers is an individual that was an active part of a previous flame war. For several reasons stemming from that conflict, she felt that she should retire from the list, and did so. I suspect that the main reason her name comes up is because she was memorable both for the level of her personal attacks on the list, and for her distinctive handle. The list was even shut down for a few days, to let things cool off. Not that it matters, but the flame war was over helmet rights... Flame wars are not new to the Internet. In the "good old days" of the 'net, flame wars were over which editor (vi/emacs) was better, or which OS... Now we have lots of choices of things to care deeply about. ;) Hope this helps... Cheers, Pete. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 06:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24827 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:50:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id KUKAa10123; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14d0b0c6.35ff977e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:48:30 EDT To: zellto@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 3:22:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zellto@XXXXXX writes: << one may have to work harder on a cruiser to do the same thing that a sport bike rider can do easily. >> Exactly, I can do the same thing with less fuss on my 98-ZX-9R than on my 86-VFR-750 and on the VFR with less fuss than my Commando. When you have the opportunity to ride (and get accustomed to) different bikes one can understand why it's more the bike than the riders when the riders are equally experienced, say 10 or more years riding. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 07:07:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25588 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04548 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20731 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA23918 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:07:09 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:07:09 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8F85@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: add on bags and balance Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:09:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > To everybody with Givis (and other add on bags) > > Has the balance been much affected? Any problems with crosswinds? Any > problems I might not know about or think to ask about? No problems with balance or crosswinds, for the most part, I don't know they're there - just the previously mentioned headshake under deceleration. I would assume that they will affecy my top speed, but they haven't been a limiting factor yet. :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 07:11:52 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25611 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA24174 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:11:20 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:11:20 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8F86@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycle Club Subject: RE: Squidly - twisty roads Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:13:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Why do you think bikes like > Hawks and EX500s are such popular race bikes? Sure, they're generally > cheaper than bigger, newer bikes. However, they provide the essential > element of sport riding - fun, fast cornering. That's one of the reasons I miss my SRX-6 so much - it took finesse to maintain a quick pace - there wasn't the sheer horsepower to bull it through - if you wanted a fast corner exit speed, you needed to start with a fast entering speed. More like fishing with light spinning tackle as opposed to a salt water rig. One of these days, I'm going to get all the requisite parts and get it back together. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 07:16:18 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26030 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA15630 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA24387 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:14:42 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:14:42 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8F88@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Peter Hartzler , Alex Milenkovic Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squeakers Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:16:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Now we have lots of choices of things to care deeply about. ;) > Hope this helps... > Cheers, > Pete. Peter, the important thing is that we care... :-P Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 07:26:26 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26385 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:25:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:25:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) George, very good response. I think you've hit on everything were trying to tell Fred Glenn > Hmm, yup, can be a decent discussion. Let's cut, copy, paste, etc, and get > this into a nice, rebuttable form... > > > I think that this discussion handled properly can be interesting. For > an > > historical perspective one only has to look at what happened in > > 1966 when Mike > > "The Bike" Hailwood left MV Agusta and went to Honda leaving his > > teammate, a > > young Giacomo Agostini with MV. I believe that Hailwood was a much > better > > rider than Agostini at that point in time, but lost the championship to > > Agostini and MV. > > Not sure, but from what I've read (and heard from my old man, who seemed > to > think of Hailwood in terms similar to what he thought of Clapton...) Mike > was much better than Ago. But he wasn't as particular about bike tuning. > He'd prefer to ride around a problem, if it wasn't 100%. You can't compare > these two bikes, or these two riders. The only test is to compare the same > rider, making times on two different bikes (tuned to the same 'feel' or > level of comfort) or to have two riders on the same bike (or same model). > > (WSB name/brand dropping snipped. I'm not familiar enough with the > particulars to debate anything but generalities on this one) > > The > > differences > > between the capabilities of these bikes is much less than those between > a > > modern sportbike and a modern cruiser. > > And what are the differences between the riders? Not much. At this level > of > competition, differences in lap times are hundredths of a second. Each > rider > has to be at an exceptionally high level. Maybe even higher than Glenn and > Collin:) > > > On the street, if a corner is safe and manageable at 60 MPH on a > > sportbike it > > may be similarly safe and manageable on a cruiser at 40 MPH. The > cruiser > > rider with exceptional ability can take the corner at 60 MPH but > > does so at > > more risk than the sportbike rider, hence, it is an easier corner for > the > > sportbike rider who may be a less capable rider. > > Not neccessarily. Let's compare... A Porsche and a Taurus. The Porsche > handles much better (the old air-cooled job, BTW) but had a tendency to do > weird things if you didn't know how to drive it. Give it the wrong amount > of > throttle mid turn, and you'd easily spin out. No such problem on the > Taurus, > it's much more forgiving. > > Now, let's compare... Suzuki Savage to a TL1000S. The Savage is going to > return to straight line easier, and probably be less likely to do stupid > things in a panic situation than the TLS, making it a better choice for > newbies. Put that newbie on the TLS, and all sorts of dumb stuff is likely > to happen. Stoppies, wheelies, tankslappers, and who knows what? > > > I hope this mini treatise doesn't offend anyone. > > Certainly not. We might be able to have a rational discussion about it > (and, > FWIW, I doubt we'll see eye to eye on it either:). > > > And no, I don't want to race anyone on the street. LOL > > Only stoplight drags against rice-boys:) > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 07:36:35 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26877 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:37:29 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9A3@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: High speed riding.. (continuation of thred) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:34:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, with these 2 sentances you have shown where your background lies. I that that the laws and limitations in Europe as far as motorcycles are concerned are perfect. You MUST do time on a smaller, lower powered bike for quite awhile before you can ride a larger bike. It's unfortunate that this isn't the case here.. any avaerage joe schmoe with a stable job and a residence can walk into a shop and buy the biggest baddest bike in town.. without even showing proof of a license.. This difference is what (I feel) accounts for all the 'squids' we have. It probably also reflects directly on the raw number of accidents that motorcyclists have (I'm sure someone can spit out a number of single vehicle motorcycle accidents per year). Perhaps I only believe this because my first bike was a Honda CB1100F - it was fast.. I wasn't. Time passed, and my next bike was the little VF500f I rode for little over a year when I first moved here.. I think people can attest to me ridding the piss outta that thing. I was forced to learn how to corner just to keep up, I was forced to be smooth just to keep the bike on 2 wheels (which I didn't always do).. I was forced to learn how to ride. To bad we don't have some of the limitations Europe does on motorcycles.. maybe not so strict (especially since we can't get 2-smokes here) on the cc's.. limit it to 500 for a year.. but I doubt that'll ever happen. Sorry, just one man's ramblings.. And Fred, you're more than likely WELL over what we would consider an 'average' rider.. Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX When I was growing up you could ride an unlimited HP bike at 18 but one had 4 years of riding experience on a 50cc (2 years) and 125cc (2 years) on the road before getting an unlimited license at 18. Now you must be 21 or 22 depending on your licensing history to have an unlimited license. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 08:02:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27850 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05143 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21228 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA18954; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809161203.IAA18954@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: add on bags and balance To: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003b01bde125$e631b9e0$1e80e2cf@demon> from "George Howell" at Sep 15, 98 11:55:52 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > To everybody with Givis (and other add on bags) > > Has the balance been much affected? Any problems with crosswinds? Any > problems I might not know about or think to ask about? 1) no problem with crosswinds on XX 2) no problem with top speed on XX 3) with any bag on, bike was getting a little headshake if I reaised hands from handlebars between 25-50, especially when decelerating. Without bags bike is stable. I did not had a chance to retune suspension before I totalled bike.... > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 08:15:47 1998 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (root@XXXXXX [140.162.1.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28384 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13274 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17627 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809161215.IAA17627@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:09:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: RE: Magnas engines was Re: The Squid inside In-Reply-To: <199809152002.QAA26166@egate2.citicorp.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:13 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote: >...exactly...like a V65 Magna/Sabre..and anyone who's ridden one >of these beasts will attest to the fact that whatever they may be, they're >certainly *not* boring, heavy or or gawdsakes..SLOW! ;-) Isn't the engine in the Magnas very similar to what was put into the old Honda Interceptors (the ORIGINAL "crotch rocket"), which eventually evolved into the VFR? IIRC, the Magna's were the fastest thing in their class when the originally came out. Hell yes, they haul butt. Zbig... wasn't the bike you had before the FJ12 a V45 Magna? -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 08:58:29 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00359 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr53-dialup49.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EZD00NCANZXHZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:57:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:54:15 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Precision measuring caliper To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <004601bde18a$42344460$31f037a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 > I got a craftsman set in a wood case, and they were >around $350, Yeah, those bad boys are damn expensive. Mic's are more accurate, but the vernier is easier to use/read(I think). A vernier should be accurate enough for shims, your not measuring crank journals and such. Either way, one or the other will work. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman To: Jon S. Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Precision measuring caliper >I purchased mine from sears. I even went the big bucks and got the digital >ones, but the standard will do the trick. I recommend you buy one, they are >handy if you do any maintenance on the bike or car. If you are measuring >the shims, you will probably want a micrometer, vice a dial caliper, but I >find the need for both. I got a craftsman set in a wood case, and they were >around $350, but again, if you forgo the digital, they should be under $100. > >If you were close by I'd let you use it, but I live in Winchester, VA. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon S. >To: Todd Peer ; DC Cycle Club >Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 12:22 AM >Subject: Re: Precision measuring caliper > > >> >>> >>>Anyone have one of these puppies and are willing to loan out? Know where >I >>>can get a loaner, or better yet, buy one? >>> >>>The ST is in serious need of a valve adjustment and I'd like to have >>>everything I need to do it before getting started. That last one I did, I >>>relied on the printed numbers on the shims. Seemed to work fine, but I >>>think I'd like to measure as well. >>> >>>TIA, >>> >>>Todd >> >> >> >> Todd, you should be able to find one in any local auto parts store. >>Look for either a micrometer(0-1") or a vernier caliper. If you don't want >>to fork over the cash(they're not cheap), you can borrow mine. I have a >>digital vernier caliper that measures metric and standard. No guessing, >>gives out a numeric reading. If you break it, you buy it($100), but I >trust >>you. >> >>Jon >> > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:12:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01008 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06103 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22615 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:12:40 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA04005; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:14:37 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003831; Wed, 16 Sep 98 09:13:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZD001YYONQTE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256681.004852FF ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:09:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:10:38 -0400 Subject: RE: add on bags and balance To: "Jordan, Michael" Cc: DC Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256681.00484715.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have no problems with balance , crosswinds, or headshake ... but I only have the topcase. Morris Berman has the full wing-rack set up on his GPZ1100 and rode with it extensively through the Southwest US. Perhaps he'll chime in on this thread, or can atleast point you to his web page trip report that talks some about his experiences with the GiVi set up and what happens if you overload it. :-) --chris PS. you can visit GiVi's US website, they are based in North Carolina. I *THINK* they are at giviusa@XXXXXX (e-mail) and www.giviusa.com (website). However, if these don't work, try a web search to confirm. To: DC Cycles Mailing List cc: From: "Jordan, Michael" Date: 09/16/98 11:09:38 AM GMT Subject: RE: add on bags and balance > To everybody with Givis (and other add on bags) > > Has the balance been much affected? Any problems with crosswinds? Any > problems I might not know about or think to ask about? No problems with balance or crosswinds, for the most part, I don't know they're there - just the previously mentioned headshake under deceleration. I would assume that they will affecy my top speed, but they haven't been a limiting factor yet. :-) Michael J. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:13:39 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01018 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA20734; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:12:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980916131250.QJSX18768@XXXXXX>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:12:50 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Jon S." , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Tooting my own horn :) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:12:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bde173$a1b7ae20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <009401bde13a$ae2428c0$174337a6@default> Not a regular thing. But keep your eyes peeled. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon S. [mailto:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 2:25 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Tooting my own horn :) > > > Speaking of that, I just picked up a copy a couple days ago > and noticed > that Linda and Todd were published. Good read and it's free. Linda, that > was very insightful into your start with riding. Todd, nice commentary. > Will this be a regular thing? Too bad it doesn't come out more often. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer > To: DC-Cycles > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:34 PM > Subject: Tooting my own horn :) > > > > > >You have published authors in your midst DC-Cycles. Go to your local > >dealer and pick up the latest issue of Winding Roads Motorcycle Times. > > > >For those of you who have attended a CAMS run, you'll note that John > >Weinstein has a regular article called CyberSlabbin'. > > > >Linda Tanner has written to the 'Women on Wheels' feature as a > >contributing voice from the female rider perspective. > > > >And yours truly has finally found a place for a story I wrote last year. > >It is a feature article discussing what it must be like to lose interest > >in motorcycling and the need for change in ones life to keep it > interesting. > > > >Available in a motorcycle dealership near you. Comments welcome. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:13:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01028 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06115 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22631 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:13:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'thetrick@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:13:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, "squid" is a term of endearment for us Navy sailors. > ---------- > From: thetrick@XXXXXX[SMTP:thetrick@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 4:26 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside > > Anyone have/know where I can find some hardbags appropriate for my CX500? > Prefferably old and battered ones (but with keys) to match the rest of the > bike. ;-) I'm going to call some used parts places today, but I suspect > that they won't have much. > > Regarding the recent flame war, IMHO we should all view 'squid' as a sort > of ethnic slur (not that I am say that its at the same level of > (im)morality as an ethnic slur) and refrain from using it as much as > possible. > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:17:33 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01107 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA28728 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256681.0058AF1E ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:16:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256681.0048B4E7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:15:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Squeakers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline IMO, a more appropriate handle would have been : FREAKERS -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: Alex Milenkovic cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Squeakers Alex -- Squeakers isn't really an inside joke... Squeakers is an individual that was an active part of a previous flame war. For several reasons stemming from that conflict, she felt that she should retire from the list, and did so. I suspect that the main reason her name comes up is because she was memorable both for the level of her personal attacks on the list, and for her distinctive handle. The list was even shut down for a few days, to let things cool off. Not that it matters, but the flame war was over helmet rights... Flame wars are not new to the Internet. In the "good old days" of the 'net, flame wars were over which editor (vi/emacs) was better, or which OS... Now we have lots of choices of things to care deeply about. ;) Hope this helps... Cheers, Pete. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:23:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01467 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06202 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22970 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09929; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:24:10 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197927@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'thetrick@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:24:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain That's right!!! spit spit cough cough pppphhhhhbbbbbllttt ;-p Then again that makes me a Puddle Pirate :) he he he Collin (doh!! wait a minute....Mithc out ranks me!! oops! well, at least he does for another two months ...man I can't wait for that big pay raise to finance next season's racing!!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [SMTP:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 9:20 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'thetrick@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside > > Actually, "squid" is a term of endearment for us Navy sailors. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:26:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01480 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06226 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23046 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zJHb4-0005Vy-01; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:26:15 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:24:38 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A29E@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" , kirk@XXXXXX Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:23:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain YES!! You would have been my dream Dad!! : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:01 PM > To: kirk@XXXXXX > Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX; WantAZX6@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting > > In a message dated 9/15/98 7:15:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kirk@XXXXXX > writes: > > Next year > my daughter who is 13 will turn 14 and will have a bike or scooter to > ride on > the road when we go home for the summer, by the time she is 16 she > will know > how to ride quite well. > > Ciao, > > Fred (Alfredo) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:28:18 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01554 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809161328.JAA01554@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACEE2A4058C; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:28:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:30:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: add on bags and balance In-Reply-To: <85256681.00484715.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:10 AM 9/16/98 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >PS. you can visit GiVi's US website, they are based in North Carolina. I >*THINK* they are at giviusa@XXXXXX (e-mail) and www.giviusa.com >(website). However, if these don't work, try a web search to confirm. The web address didn't work for me, but the Givi home page in Italy had this-- GI.VI. U.S.A. Inc. SUITE 101 805 PRESSELEY ROAD CHARLOTTE, NC 28217 Phone: +1 704 6794123 Fax: +1 704 6794133 email: giviusa@XXXXXX Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:29:12 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01564 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 415; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:28:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980916092721.010083a0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:28:35 -0400 To: Peter Hartzler , Alex Milenkovic From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Squeakers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >are not new to the Internet. In the "good old days" of the 'net, flame >wars were over which editor (vi/emacs) was better, or which OS... Now we >have lots of choices of things to care deeply about. ;) Real men use VI. heh MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:30:37 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01914 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zJHfB-0005rV-01; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:30:30 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A29F@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , dc-cycles Cc: Boiade@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:27:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain LOL, maybe it's the cleanliness of the bike that enhances speed!! > it's a light bike and I think it's speed (in the corners) may be > enhanced by the fact that there is no dust or dirt on it to increase > wind resistance (small dig at Glenn's obsessiveness ;) > > JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:30:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01916 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06266 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23152 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:30:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'thetrick@XXXXXX'" , "'Fagan, Collin LTJG'" Subject: RE: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:30:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, my pay raise went to purchase one of those minivan cagers to haul around three teenagers. Wife has promised me a new bike when kids get out of college (another 10 years!) or when I make admiral (yeah, right). That's what dreams are made for, I guess. > ---------- > From: Fagan, Collin LTJG[SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 9:24 AM > To: 'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; > 'thetrick@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside > > That's right!!! spit spit cough cough pppphhhhhbbbbbllttt ;-p > Then again that makes me a Puddle Pirate :) he he he > Collin > (doh!! wait a minute....Mithc out ranks me!! oops! well, at least he > does > for another two months ...man I can't wait for that big pay raise to > finance > next season's racing!!) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [SMTP:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 9:20 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'thetrick@XXXXXX' > > Subject: RE: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside > > > > Actually, "squid" is a term of endearment for us Navy sailors. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:35:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02014 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06323 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23280 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256681.004A7E30 ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:33:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256681.0049A0EC.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:33:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Squeakers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Squeakers was fond of what she called "pushing peoples buttons". But then someone came along and pushed hers. The next thing you know a big flame war broke out that ended with her husband threatening physical violence. Her husband then requested that she remove herself from the list. And we haven't seen her since. >Squeakers is an individual that was an active part of a previous flame war. For several reasons stemming from that conflict, she felt that she should retire from the list, and did so. I suspect that the main reason her name comes up is because she was memorable both for the level of her personal attacks on the list, and for her distinctive handle. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:45:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02469 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06506 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23611 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809161345.JAA23611@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0FD7360588; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:45:33 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:49:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Squeakers In-Reply-To: <85256681.0049A0EC.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:33 AM 9/16/98 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: >Squeakers was fond of what she called "pushing peoples buttons". But then >someone came along and pushed hers. The next thing you know a big flame >war broke out that ended with her husband threatening physical violence. >Her husband then requested that she remove herself from the list. And we >haven't seen her since. Reading her web page (address posted earlier today) provides a pretty clear view of Squeakers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:46:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02479 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06516 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23630 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:46:25 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WUOPa03544 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8468772d.35ffc107@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:45:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Tire Changer - winter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 2:30:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, true@XXXXXX writes: << Who says we don't ride in the Winter? >> >From what I can tell, the majority of active posting listers DO in fact ride through the winter. Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:52:17 1998 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (root@XXXXXX [140.162.1.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02837 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17750 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22790 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809161351.JAA22790@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:50:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Rank In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197927@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:24 AM 9/16/98 -0400, you wrote: >That's right!!! spit spit cough cough pppphhhhhbbbbbllttt ;-p >Then again that makes me a Puddle Pirate :) he he he >Collin >(doh!! wait a minute....Mithc out ranks me!! oops! well, at least he does >for another two months ...man I can't wait for that big pay raise to finance >next season's racing!!) Aren't you supposed to throw a "wetting down" party for all of your friends with that raise?? -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 09:55:49 1998 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (root@XXXXXX [140.162.1.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02860 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18045 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22995 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809161355.JAA22995@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:53:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: RE: The Squid inside In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A29F@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:27 AM 9/16/98 -0400, you wrote: >LOL, maybe it's the cleanliness of the bike that enhances speed!! NA... its really more a factor of the the amount of chrome, and or the color. EG, VFR Red is clearly faster than Goldwing Gold. > >> it's a light bike and I think it's speed (in the corners) may be >> enhanced by the fact that there is no dust or dirt on it to increase >> wind resistance (small dig at Glenn's obsessiveness ;) >> >> JK -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:00:10 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03004 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id OAA20418; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:57:57 +0100 Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma020190; Wed, 16 Sep 98 14:57:02 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com (intleursmtp10.gb.pw.com) by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZD00EJ4QRKG8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:57:20 +0100 (BST) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 80256681.004C3A97 ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:52:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:54:45 -0400 Subject: RE: add on bags and balance To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256681.004C52DF.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Thanks Chris. If you call the NC phone # they will send you a brochure ... or you could go to CPS to see the set up they have on the accessories floor. GiVi _requires_ that you order through one of their field reps/dealers, you cannot order direct from the factory. I (and John Carver) bought from Adventure Motorcycle Gear in Springfield, VA. Kind of a mom & pop shop that I met up at the Balt. MC show. They are very nice and will go the extra mile for you, but you do have to quiz them about specific aspects of some the products ... i.e., they told John a certain plate and bag set up (what I have on my RF900) wouldn't fit the rack for his VFR800. Turns out it would, they were apologetic and sent the new one ... but he still had to go through the order process twice. Still, I would recommend their services. Any comments, John? --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Chris Norloff Date: 09/16/98 01:30:40 PM GMT Subject: RE: add on bags and balance At 09:10 AM 9/16/98 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >PS. you can visit GiVi's US website, they are based in North Carolina. I >*THINK* they are at giviusa@XXXXXX (e-mail) and www.giviusa.com >(website). However, if these don't work, try a web search to confirm. The web address didn't work for me, but the Givi home page in Italy had this-- GI.VI. U.S.A. Inc. SUITE 101 805 PRESSELEY ROAD CHARLOTTE, NC 28217 Phone: +1 704 6794123 Fax: +1 704 6794133 email: giviusa@XXXXXX Chris Norloff ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:04:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03308 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06853 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24319 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA01056 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980916140318.QYYO18768@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:03:18 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Pro riders on bad bikes Was: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bde17a$ad962580$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: A nicely written, sane commentary. But I think you've got too much emphasis on racing (pro-style). Now a question; if it's true that the bike is the top factor to win a race, why do pro-racing teams seek out and obtain excellent road riders. It seems to me that with the best machine, they could put just anyone out there. But that's not the case. The fact of the matter is that without a rider, the motorcycle goes nowhere. With an exceptional rider, the bike can be put through its paces quite well. With an excellent rider, the bike can be brought to its limits. I don't know about Hailwood and Agostini, but I do know about Bemisderfer, Tim and Bryan. Tim took his brothers track record away at Summit Point on a Suzi GSXR(1100 I believe, better if a 750), but Bryan rides an R1. In my opinion, Bryan is a better rider (though, side by side it's hard to tell). How could this be? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 6:23 PM > To: ghowell@XXXXXX; WantAZX6@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting > > > In a message dated 9/15/98 12:20:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ghowell@XXXXXX > writes: > > << except the bikes a big HP > > sportbike will usually whip a small bike. Like I said, Im > talking equal > > riders. >> > I think that this discussion handled properly can be interesting. For an > historical perspective one only has to look at what happened in > 1966 when Mike > "The Bike" Hailwood left MV Agusta and went to Honda leaving his > teammate, a > young Giacomo Agostini with MV. I believe that Hailwood was a much better > rider than Agostini at that point in time, but lost the championship to > Agostini and MV. The MV was an all new 3 cylinder so Agostini was as > unfamiliar with the new MV as Hailwood was with the new 500 cc > Honda. It is > quite apparent to me that the better rider with a slightly less capable > handling bike lost to a rider that had less experience and less > ability at the > time. > > Racing history (automobile and motorcycle) highlights situations > in which an > exceptional rider/driver is able to overcome the limitations of > his machine > and beats a rider/driver on a superior machine. It is > highlighted because it > rarely happens. Usually, the better machine with a competitive > but not the > best rider/driver wins. Haga in WSB is probably the best rider > out there, but > because he has a less capable bike (Yamaha), he crashes often > (trying to keep > up) and is always way out on the edge while Fogarthy, Corser, > Chili and Slight > on more capable bikes (Ducati & Honda) are winning. Russel on > the same Yamaha > like Haga and a competitive rider is not even in the picture. The > differences > between the capabilities of these bikes is much less than those between a > modern sportbike and a modern cruiser. > > On the street, if a corner is safe and manageable at 60 MPH on a > sportbike it > may be similarly safe and manageable on a cruiser at 40 MPH. The cruiser > rider with exceptional ability can take the corner at 60 MPH but > does so at > more risk than the sportbike rider, hence, it is an easier corner for the > sportbike rider who may be a less capable rider. > > I hope this mini treatise doesn't offend anyone. > > And no, I don't want to race anyone on the street. LOL > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:06:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03387 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06944 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24425 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zJIEK-0000j7-00; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:06:48 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2A2@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Tire Changer - winter Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:03:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I prefer the winter. This heat is KILLING ME!! I pray for the autumn gods. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 9:46 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: The Tire Changer - winter > > In a message dated 9/16/98 2:30:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > true@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Who says we don't ride in the Winter? >> > > From what I can tell, the majority of active posting listers DO in > fact ride > through the winter. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:07:09 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03397 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id HAA07847 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:07:04 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:07:04 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A8FDD@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: add on bags and balance Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:09:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All of the local dealers are handling GiVi. Coleman (Falls Church)is the only one I know who stocks some of the bits. Art Crow (Falls Church) is selling for 10% off list. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:09:59 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03417 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:09:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Dan Brown'" Subject: RE: Rank Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:09:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain That's right. Don't let him get out of it. > ---------- > From: Dan Brown[SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 9:50 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rank > > At 09:24 AM 9/16/98 -0400, you wrote: > >That's right!!! spit spit cough cough pppphhhhhbbbbbllttt ;-p > >Then again that makes me a Puddle Pirate :) he he he > >Collin > >(doh!! wait a minute....Mithc out ranks me!! oops! well, at least he > does > >for another two months ...man I can't wait for that big pay raise to > finance > >next season's racing!!) > > > Aren't you supposed to throw a "wetting down" party for all of your > friends with that raise?? > > > -- > The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the > conspiracy is working. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:10:19 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03430 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809161410.KAA03430@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6B0170502; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:09:52 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:13:34 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: add on bags and balance Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256681.004C5296.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:54 AM 9/16/98 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >If you call the NC phone # they will send you a brochure ... or you could >go to CPS to see the set up they have on the accessories floor. I'm trading email with the North Carolina Givi folks right now. Their rear rack for my bike is $64 - which I might use to mount a top case I already have. Is CPS Coleman Power Sports (Falls Chruch)? I'd like to see the stuff in person before plunking down the money. >GiVi _requires_ that you order through one of their field reps/dealers, you >cannot order direct from the factory. I (and John Carver) bought from >Adventure Motorcycle Gear in Springfield, VA. Thanks, I'll look them up. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:12:24 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03666 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zJIJf-0001CI-00; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:12:19 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:10:44 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2A3@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dan Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Squid inside Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:09:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, not if I'm riding the VFR!! LOL Give me a few more years on my baby, though... - Jeannette '86 RED VFR 700 F2 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 9:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: The Squid inside > > At 09:27 AM 9/16/98 -0400, you wrote: > >LOL, maybe it's the cleanliness of the bike that enhances speed!! > > NA... its really more a factor of the the amount of chrome, and or the > color. > EG, VFR Red is clearly faster than Goldwing Gold. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:14:31 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03810 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA19644; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:13:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980916141323.RCGR18768@XXXXXX>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:13:23 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Peter Hartzler" , "Alex Milenkovic" Cc: Subject: RE: Squeakers Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:12:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bde17c$17b3de20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Peter Hartzler wrote: > > Flame wars > are not new to the Internet. In the "good old days" of the 'net, flame > wars were over which editor (vi/emacs) was better, or which OS... Now we > have lots of choices of things to care deeply about. ;) LOL. Very good. And fwiw, I miss Squeakers or, as I liked to call her, Tweakers. She always had a way of baiting that always caught the really firey rebuttal. T From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:19:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03910 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07161 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (known send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24898 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980916141959.25303.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.228.195] by send104.yahoomail.com; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:19:59 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mehran mehran Subject: Yamaha YZF R1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know of anybody who is selling a R1? New or used. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:21:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03997 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07185 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (known tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24958 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id PAA00089; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:17:02 +0100 Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029883; Wed, 16 Sep 98 15:16:16 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com (intleursmtp10.gb.pw.com) by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZD0006RRNMZP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:34 +0100 (BST) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 80256681.004DFDAB ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:11:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:04:35 -0400 Subject: Re: add on bags and balance To: George Howell Cc: DC Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256681.004D3562.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL George, See my other posts about websites/dealers, etc. The short scoop ... GiVi makes two lines Monolock and Monokey. Both are fully lockable and waterproof. The monokey are the more pricey ones that are interchangeable and can be used as a three-bags wing-rack system. The monolock system (what I have) was actually developed as a topcase-only system for the ueban European markets. I allows you to get up to 50 liters of storage behing the pillion seat, without having to have bulky sidebags that prevent you from getting through traffic. I got the 42 liter topcase as it was the smallest bag they offered that was able to hold 2 fullface helmets. Be sure to check out Krauser and some other models. Also, if you are looking for your beemer, you could always get the $BMW$ ones. :-) All-in-all, I have been very pleased with the set-up I have and don't ever want to go back to tank bags and bungee nets. :-) Best part about them is they are lockable. Let me know if you need anymore info, chris To: DC Cycles Mailing List cc: From: George Howell Date: 09/16/98 03:55:52 AM GMT Subject: add on bags and balance To everybody with Givis (and other add on bags) Has the balance been much affected? Any problems with crosswinds? Any problems I might not know about or think to ask about? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:26:07 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04331 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02224; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:26:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199809161426.KAA02224@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:25:44 -0400 Subject: RE: add on bags and balance Priority: normal In-reply-to: <85256681.004C52DF.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 16 Sep 98, at 9:54, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > I (and John Carver) bought from Adventure Motorcycle Gear in > Springfield, VA. Kind of a mom & pop shop that I met up at the > Balt. MC show. Sounds interesting... do they actually have a store, or is it mostly mail order? Anita (always on the lookout for more places to spend $ on motorcycle stuff!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:27:47 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04405 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA22513; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:29:31 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmab22168; Wed, 16 Sep 98 10:28:56 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZD00946S577G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256681.004F37B8 ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:25:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:15:52 -0400 Subject: RE: add on bags and balance To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256681.004E3F1D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yes CPS is Coleman Falls Church. I think they only have the monokey system on the display floor. I know they did not have my Monolock E42 Simply there. Does the rear rack price quoted to you include the plate? Generally there are three parts to the system. The Case, the mounting plate, and the armature/hardware the connects to the bike. --chris To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Date: 09/16/98 02:13:34 PM GMT Subject: RE: add on bags and balance At 09:54 AM 9/16/98 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >If you call the NC phone # they will send you a brochure ... or you could >go to CPS to see the set up they have on the accessories floor. I'm trading email with the North Carolina Givi folks right now. Their rear rack for my bike is $64 - which I might use to mount a top case I already have. Is CPS Coleman Power Sports (Falls Chruch)? I'd like to see the stuff in person before plunking down the money. >GiVi _requires_ that you order through one of their field reps/dealers, you >cannot order direct from the factory. I (and John Carver) bought from >Adventure Motorcycle Gear in Springfield, VA. Thanks, I'll look them up. Chris Norloff ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:29:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04425 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07339 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25209 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DN992DLG; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:26:40 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Squid ranting Message-ID: <19980915.063846.5111.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <6dcb08da.35fe875b@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,10-43 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:26:40 EDT Jack, I've spent the last twenty minutes rooting through the garbage of this email war you started. I have two questions for you. First, is your last name Ass? Second, can't you step back and see that you've ranted and raved and traded insults for what looks like hours, yet you've accomplished nothing more than making yourself look like a complete dick? (sorry, ladies...) My son (who is all of 7-years-old) would have realized that the thing to do is to say you're sorry you caused such a conflict (sincerely, I mean) and just disappear a day or two from the list until things cool off. You're a hothead and you let this thing really get to you. Also, you're a whiner. And shame on you guys (and gals) for throwing gasoline on the fire... That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- (they call me, Bruce) On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:27:23 EDT WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: >OK first of all, I didn't realize that was emailed directly to me. I >could >have sworn I saw the list addy at the top. I apologize. OK, to >dispense with >the pleasantries: >FUCK YOU! I dont give a fuck how hot you think you are. Ill take you >up on >that offer Miguel.....better yet, why dont you ride your RS? Moped >cant >handle it? Or maybe its stalling out every lap again? Hmm.....sure >was funny >watching you push that thing back to the pits every lap last track >day......mighty fine wrench you turn so dont say shit to me about >mechanical >work. My POS TL, which is light years ahead of any junk you ride, can >handle >it just fine. And let me guess? You want a head start right? >HAHAHA......dude, stop trying to save face and get all fired up making >challenges and shit. It aint worth it to either of us to risk >anything for >something stupid like this. Just cool down and let it go. > >Jack > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:39:46 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04878 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zJIk9-0003RQ-00; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:39:41 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:38:03 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2A5@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Peter Hartzler , Alex Milenkovic Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squeakers Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:36:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Me too. I don't know why, but sometimes these flame wars are amusing to me. : ) (Don't flame me for saying that, please!!) ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 10:13 AM > To: Peter Hartzler; Alex Milenkovic > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Squeakers > > LOL. Very good. > > And fwiw, I miss Squeakers or, as I liked to call her, Tweakers. > She > always had a way of baiting that always caught the really firey > rebuttal. > > T From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:42:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04957 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07498 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25700 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DPAASRW7; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:39:59 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Practicing what I preached Message-ID: <19980915.064935.5111.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-9 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:39:59 EDT Jack, I received several new messages as I sent the one telling you to apologize and disappear. It looks like things are much calmer today and that I may have spoken out of turn against you. So I'm going to apologize and disappear for a while... That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:54:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05416 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07652 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26256 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WWEOa10656 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20528e91.35ffd0fd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:53:49 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I replied to this off list. I do have to say, dontcha just hate it when people have to go and rile people up again after everything is calm again? Jeeeez....is we had a nickel for every flame post this list has had we would ALREADY have a tire changer. Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:54:55 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05562 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:51:37 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: add on bags and balance Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:51:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bde181$7d48dd80$2d80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199809161410.KAA03430@meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mortons used to have a setup in stock, with tons of brochures. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:54:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05571 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07667 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26281 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:51:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Squeakers Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bde181$7c91c280$2d80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199809161345.JAA23611@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Just looked at it myself. I don't think there were any surprises, were there? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Reading her web page (address posted earlier today) provides a > pretty clear > view of Squeakers. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 10:55:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05574 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07670 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26287 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:51:39 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mehran mehran" , Subject: RE: Yamaha YZF R1 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:51:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bde181$7df9de00$2d80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19980916141959.25303.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Nope, but since Labor Day is past, I'd bet plenty will show up in the Post. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Mehran mehran [mailto:mehran7@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 10:20 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Yamaha YZF R1 > > > Does anyone know of anybody who is selling a R1? > New or used. > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 11:04:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05955 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07892 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stmpy.cais.net (known stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26685 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic193.cais.com [207.226.56.193]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14161 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980916110342.006eb388@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:03:42 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Front end stand Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy folks, Well it seems the people at Kawasaki forgot to put a center stand on my bike :-) So I'm looking for a front end stand, and was wondering if anyone had any recommendation regarding brand, or what to avoid etc... I've never used one before so any advice would be appreciated. Thanx Mike B. 98 ZX900R I believe the only time the world beats a path to my door is when I'm in the bathroom. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 11:13:12 1998 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (mberman@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06448 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA19930; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:08:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: add on bags and balance In-Reply-To: <85256681.004C52DF.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I ordered mine thorugh Cycle Acc. Discounter in G-burg, MD (301-977-7188). They gave me a discount off the prices quoteed out of N. Carolina. On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks Chris. > > If you call the NC phone # they will send you a brochure ... or you could > go to CPS to see the set up they have on the accessories floor. > > GiVi _requires_ that you order through one of their field reps/dealers, you > cannot order direct from the factory. I (and John Carver) bought from > Adventure Motorcycle Gear in Springfield, VA. Kind of a mom & pop shop > that I met up at the Balt. MC show. They are very nice and will go the > extra mile for you, but you do have to quiz them about specific aspects of > some the products ... i.e., they told John a certain plate and bag set up > (what I have on my RF900) wouldn't fit the rack for his VFR800. Turns out > it would, they were apologetic and sent the new one ... but he still had to > go through the order process twice. Still, I would recommend their > services. > > Any comments, John? > > --chris > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: Chris Norloff > Date: 09/16/98 01:30:40 PM GMT > Subject: RE: add on bags and balance > > > > > At 09:10 AM 9/16/98 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > >PS. you can visit GiVi's US website, they are based in North Carolina. I > >*THINK* they are at giviusa@XXXXXX (e-mail) and www.giviusa.com > >(website). However, if these don't work, try a web search to confirm. > > > The web address didn't work for me, but the Givi home page in Italy had > this-- > GI.VI. U.S.A. Inc. > SUITE 101 > 805 PRESSELEY ROAD > CHARLOTTE, NC 28217 > Phone: +1 704 6794123 > Fax: +1 704 6794133 > email: giviusa@XXXXXX > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 11:13:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06458 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08031 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27009 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16483; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:14:30 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119792B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Mike'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Front end stand Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:14:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain PIT BULL!!! They are the best you'll find, and they'll outlast your next three bikes. Rick at Fast Lane Cycles sells em at the same price as the manufacturer...tell him I sent ya... (703)818-8890 You can swing by sometime and try out mine if you'd like... Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike [SMTP:wowbager@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 11:12 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Front end stand > > So I'm looking for a front end stand, and was wondering if anyone had any > recommendation regarding brand, or what to avoid etc... I've never used > one > before so any advice would be appreciated. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 11:18:34 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06824 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:19:14 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9AC@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Front end stand Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:16:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The general concensus from racers is that the Pit Bull stands are the best you can buy at this time. They have 2 types of front end stands available.. one that holds the bike up by the stearing head, and one that holds it up by the bottoms of the forks. The one that holds it up by the forks is cheaper (can't pull the front end off and use it).. but if you're only doing wheel-changes and such, it'll work fine for you. I believe they do recommend you use both a front and rear stand at the same time for stability... Brian -----Original Message----- Howdy folks, Well it seems the people at Kawasaki forgot to put a center stand on my bike :-) So I'm looking for a front end stand, and was wondering if anyone had any recommendation regarding brand, or what to avoid etc... I've never used one before so any advice would be appreciated. Thanx Mike B. 98 ZX900R I believe the only time the world beats a path to my door is when I'm in the bathroom. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 11:19:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06834 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08152 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27207 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id IAA18200 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:19:03 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:19:03 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A900C@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Flames Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:21:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glad that's settled down - my delete key was starting to overheat =80 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 11:27:10 1998 Return-Path: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07199 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:27:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id LAA01353 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:27:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199809161527.LAA01353@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:27:08 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:27:08 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:27:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:22:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Magnas engines was Re: The Squid inside To: brown@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199809161215.IAA17627@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > At 02:13 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote: > >...exactly...like a V65 Magna/Sabre..and anyone who's ridden one > >of these beasts will attest to the fact that whatever they may be, they're > >certainly *not* boring, heavy or or gawdsakes..SLOW! ;-) > > > Isn't the engine in the Magnas very similar to what was put into the > old Honda Interceptors (the ORIGINAL "crotch rocket"), which eventually > evolved into the VFR? ..yes the Interceptors, Magnas and Sabres shared the same engine. The 80's V4's all (unfortunately) suffered the same problem with oil distribution in the cams and premature cam wear (thank god I haven't experienced that in my V45 or V65 YET) and several mod kits have been developed to fix that problem though...as far as raw hp is concerned the V45 has ~80bhp and the V65 has ~116bhp although dynos have shown a variance of ~10bhp depending on the condition/tuning of the particuliar bike...my V65 was dyno'd at 112bhp..more than enough for running up to the local 7/11 for a pack of cigs.. ;-) cheers, -aki > > IIRC, the Magna's were the fastest thing in their class when the originally > came out. Hell yes, they haul butt. Zbig... wasn't the bike you had > before the FJ12 a V45 Magna? > > > -- > The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the > conspiracy is working. > > X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 11:28:46 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from mail.martinagency.com (mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07297 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:04:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:03:24 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Polaris disappoints me. Not very smart... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Their snowmos and watercraft are all 2-strokes. Bout half of their ATVs are 4-strokes now--not sure on air vs. liquid. They started making a few of their sleds fuel-injected since about 1990. They used to use Fuji engines exclusively, now they're building some of their own in Osceola, Wisconson. As far as lagging in getting past DOT and EPA, remember Triumph had this prob too, and they actually turned to H-D for help. Believe it or not. If it wasn't for regs, I suppose the easy way out for Polaris would be to get a bike chassis around their 120 (+?)-hp two-stroke 794cc triple. (Yes there is a hp war in the snowmo biz as we speak). Check out www.polarisindustries.com. Joe '85 Ninja '92 Polaris Indy 500 SP (didn't make the trip south) >>> "George Howell" - 9/16/98 12:48 AM >>> Isn't this Polaris' first air cooled, fuellie, four stroke? Quite a stretch from those two strokes in the jet skis (don't know what a snowmobile uses, but I'm sure it's only marginally, if at all, similar to the current product.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 11:36:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07474 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08574 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27934 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:36:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id LAA24400 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256681.005AD250 ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:35:44 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256681.0055349D.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:31:31 -0400 Subject: RE: Squeakers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline As a photographer, you couldn't have paid me enough to sit in front of Freakers' sociopath husband while he brandished his steel in-line with the lens...I think I saw a few teeth missing behind his 45... -Doug strictly unconstructive To: "Chris Norloff" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Squeakers Just looked at it myself. I don't think there were any surprises, were there? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Reading her web page (address posted earlier today) provides a > pretty clear > view of Squeakers. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 11:56:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08305 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08875 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28898 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA29233; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:55:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: thetrick@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980916042633.00a03250@mail.wizard.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 thetrick@XXXXXX wrote: > > Regarding the recent flame war, IMHO we should all view 'squid' as a sort > of ethnic slur (not that I am say that its at the same level of > (im)morality as an ethnic slur) and refrain from using it as much as possible. > > Tom > 1980 CX500D > Dunno; I'd LOVE to be called a squid, to add to my mollusc collection. I've already been called a slug (hate those early mornings), a snail (so I'm a slow hiker), and an octopus (a hot date ;^). --garcia From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 12:13:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09169 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09158 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29500 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zJKDF-0005Lj-00; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:13:49 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:12:02 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2AD@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Garcia Oliver'" , thetrick@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:10:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ROTFLMAO > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 11:55 AM > To: thetrick@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: hardbags, Re: The Squid inside > > On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 thetrick@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Regarding the recent flame war, IMHO we should all view 'squid' as a > sort > > of ethnic slur (not that I am say that its at the same level of > > (im)morality as an ethnic slur) and refrain from using it as much as > possible. > > > > Tom > > 1980 CX500D > > > > Dunno; I'd LOVE to be called a squid, to add to my mollusc collection. > > I've already been called a slug (hate those early mornings), a snail > (so > I'm a slow hiker), and an octopus (a hot date ;^). > > --garcia From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 12:16:58 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09248 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19764 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:18:00 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119792E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Front end stand Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:18:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LTJG > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 12:17 PM > To: 'christopher.meier@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Front end stand > > From their recent ad in RRW: > Standard Rear $115 > Spooled Rrear $115 > Spools $16 > One Armed Rear $135 > Front (under triples) $145 > Forklift Front $140 > > phone: (205) 533-1977 > http://www.pit-bull.com > > > I bought my front stand directly from them back when I first moved here > and didn't know any of the shops, etc. I'm told second hand that Rick > sells em at this same price, and he generally has them in stock... > > -----Original Message----- > > Subject: RE: Front end stand > > Do you remember what the manufacturers price is? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 12:21:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09616 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09255 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29763 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA14520 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: Hard bags Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those who are seeking really nice lockable hard bags, check out Champion at this address: http://www.championsidecars.com/ I almost bought Givi for my Virago 1100 and I'm REALLY glad I waited! Champion crafts these bags to match the lines of the bike and they're absolutely beautiful! I'm going to order mine next week. They're having a 10% off everything sale for their 10 years in business. I've spoken to them several times and they've always been helpful and informative. Dawn 1996 Virago 1100 Special *====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 13:30:01 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12459 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23840; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:30:58 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197936@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dan Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rank Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:30:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Rutt-Roh Shraggy.... he he he.. I've got to make LT first :) Won't know for sure till November, but the odds are highly in my favor.... I'm sure I'll have some sort of shindig when it gets here.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 10:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rank > > > Aren't you supposed to throw a "wetting down" party for all of your > friends with that raise?? > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 13:30:07 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12460 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA10933 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:29:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Dirt biking in Prince William county Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Today's daily news at www.motorcycle.com has an article on problems with dirt riding in PW county. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 14:02:56 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13998 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:00:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Magnas engines was Re: The Squid inside Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:00:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) The even better news for me is the 500's didn't seem to suffer from the dreaded cam oil failures like the big brother engines did. Glenn > ..yes the Interceptors, Magnas and Sabres shared the same engine. > The 80's V4's all (unfortunately) suffered the same problem with > oil distribution in the cams and premature cam wear (thank god > I haven't experienced that in my V45 or V65 YET) and several > mod kits have been developed to fix that problem though...as far > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 14:07:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14366 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11055 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04798 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:07:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 1PWVa05091; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <644bcad0.35fffdfc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:05:48 EDT To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 9:26:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << YES!! You would have been my dream Dad!! : ) >> Tell that to my daughter. :-))) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 14:22:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14896 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11240 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05329 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WHFDa02083; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:19:00 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Pro riders on bad bikes Was: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 10:09:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << With an excellent rider, the bike can be brought to its limits. >> And the bike's limits are higher the excellent rider will go faster than another excellent rider with a bike with lower limits. I guess the best example is one that most of you are familiar with. The best riders will on occasion go into a corner too hot. I've done it a few times myself. :-)) The least difficult solution to this problem is to lean further and carve on through. If a bike is at its cornering limit at a given speed, i.e. any further leaning will cause a low-side. If the bike has additional lean left in it you can avoid braking with (which is a little more dangerous and could result in a high-side in a high speed turn or a low-side if one uses the rear brake, which I don't) than just leaning more. That's why I would rather go into a turn hot at say 60MPH with my ZX-9R than my VFR at the same speed, I know I have more margin and more options for correction. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 14:25:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15203 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11297 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05484 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EFKAa18748; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8d0098cc.36000262@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:24:34 EDT To: wowbager@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Front end stand Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 11:09:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wowbager@XXXXXX writes: << So I'm looking for a front end stand, and was wondering if anyone had any recommendation regarding brand, or what to avoid etc... >> Everyone recommends PittBull but I understand that you need a rear stand to use the front stand. I have gone as fare to buy the little mounts (they have a real name) that go into the swing-arm. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 14:50:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16244 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11672 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06461 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28597; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:51:24 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197938@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" , wowbager@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Front end stand Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:51:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain They're called spools :) Actually, with the standard Pit Bull Front, you can use it without the rear stand. Personally, I prefer to have it on the rear stand while I'm using the front (more stability), but it will hold without a rear (I use it by itself on one of my EX500's... > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 2:33 PM > To: wowbager@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Front end stand > > Everyone recommends PittBull but I understand that you need a rear stand > to > use the front stand. I have gone as fare to buy the little mounts (they > have > a real name) that go into the swing-arm. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 14:58:42 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from mail.martinagency.com (mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16680 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:55:41 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:58:24 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Magnas engines was Re: The Squid inside -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Uh--wasn't there a recall on Babyceptors in their first year? Joe >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 9/16/98 2:00 PM >>> The even better news for me is the 500's didn't seem to suffer from the dreaded cam oil failures like the big brother engines did. Glenn > ..yes the Interceptors, Magnas and Sabres shared the same engine. > The 80's V4's all (unfortunately) suffered the same problem with > oil distribution in the cams and premature cam wear (thank god > I haven't experienced that in my V45 or V65 YET) and several > mod kits have been developed to fix that problem though...as far > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 15:08:59 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17126 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Magnas engines was Re: The Squid inside -Reply Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:07:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) According to http://math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/V4_cams.txt they may be effected but its not on the "list" as the other engines are. The one time I've done a valve adjustment (20,000 miles) my cams looked brand spanking new. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 2:58 PM > To: aki.damme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Dysart, Glenn B., > Mr., IMCEN > Subject: RE: Magnas engines was Re: The Squid inside -Reply > > Uh--wasn't there a recall on Babyceptors in their first year? > > Joe > > >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 9/16/98 2:00 > PM >>> > The even better news for me is the 500's didn't seem to suffer from the > dreaded cam oil failures like the big brother engines did. > > Glenn > > > > ..yes the Interceptors, Magnas and Sabres shared the same engine. > > The 80's V4's all (unfortunately) suffered the same problem with > > oil distribution in the cams and premature cam wear (thank god > > I haven't experienced that in my V45 or V65 YET) and several > > mod kits have been developed to fix that problem though...as far > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 15:48:29 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18764 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:47:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Crap! Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:47:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Any know the laws when registering a vehicle in VA? I was real surprised that you have to pay taxes on freight charges and labor (bike setup). Granted this is only the second new vehicle I have owned but when have you ever had to pay taxes on those items before? Glenn From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 16:05:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19661 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13419 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09941 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:04:47 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WGKVa17800 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76947bfe.360019a7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:03:51 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crap! - be afraid Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 3:53:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Any know the laws when registering a vehicle in VA? I was real surprised that you have to pay taxes on freight charges and labor (bike setup). Granted this is only the second new vehicle I have owned but when have you ever had to pay taxes on those items before? >> Glenn, Having bought a new bike within the last year or so (today is 1 year exactly) I clearly remember the freight and prep fee were NOT taxable as they were a flat rate. Id be wary about that...but who knows, the costs I saw might have already had these taxes included (unlikely since they were round numbers like $400 even for freight). Id look harder into it. Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 16:17:51 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20112 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:17:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BWLa005091; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57034b11.36001ccb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:17:15 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crap! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 3:53:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << I was real surprised that you have to pay taxes on freight charges and labor (bike setup). >> These items are negotiable with the dealer. I would not pay them (or the taxes) they tried to charge me after I made the deal to buy the 98-ZX-9R but I walked away and the salesman caught me at the door and dropped the charges. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 16:27:04 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20529 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id NAA12472 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:26:59 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:26:59 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A90A7@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Crap! Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:29:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In Virginny - Objects are subject to sales tax Labor is not Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 16:38:06 1998 Return-Path: kslawson@XXXXXX Received: from GKCATL01-ext.kilcody.com ([155.229.115.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21002 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809162038.QAA21002@meretrix.com> Received: from mail.kilstock.com by GKCATL01-ext.kilcody.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 20:38:02 UT Received: by mail.kilstock.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:37:36 -0400 From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: From Dual Sport to . . . Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:37:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain When I purchased my first bike a little less than a year ago, people on the list were immensely helpful, so I figure I'll try it again. I've been riding a dual sport (XT350) for the past nine months, and I'm starting to think about a more street-oriented bike. Right now I do almost all of my riding in the city---commuting, errands, etc.--- where a dual sport is perfect: it's light and very easy to maneuver, sits up high so I can see over traffic, and soaks up even the most ferocious potholes. But I'd like to be able to do some weekend riding outside the city on twisting backroads, and my bike has far too little power, among other things. Here are my questions: What can I expect if I move up to, say, a 600cc sport bike? How difficult a transition will it be to go from a dual sport (which handles a lot like a bicycle) to a bigger, more powerful sport bike? Also, any suggestions as to particular bikes? I'm not looking to replace my XT350; I'll still use it for commuting/in-city riding. I just want another bike that will be great fun for the weekends. p.s.-- I'm on the digest, so please send any responses to me directly, in addition to the list. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 16:46:53 1998 Return-Path: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21432 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for dc-cycles.org!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Wed Sep 16 15:47 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id PAA20800 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDE18A.85D16130@XXXXXX>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:56:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'mberman@XXXXXX'" , "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Meier, Chris'" Subject: FW: add on bags and balance Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:56:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable < Adventure Motorcycle Gear in Springfield, VA. Kind of a mom & pop=20 shop > that I met up at the Balt. MC show. They are very nice and will go=20 the > extra mile for you, but you do have to quiz them about specific=20 aspects of > some the products ... i.e., they told John a certain plate and bag=20 set up > (what I have on my RF900) wouldn't fit the rack for his VFR800.=20 Turns out > it would, they were apologetic and sent the new one ... but he still=20 had to > go through the order process twice. Still, I would recommend their > services. > > Any comments, John? > =D8 --chris>> Yeah, I would still recommend them. I felt it was just as much my=20 fault as anyone's. I was unfamiliar with GIVI's naming conventions=20 and I got tripped up. It was relatively painless. I was out the=20 shipping it took to get the monokey(?), (see I'm still unsure), rack=20 back to them in exchange for the monolock rack. I have since ordered=20 the add on back rest. I went totally on Chris' recommendation. I=20 really have no idea what other accessories they carry. Later . . . John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 16:53:35 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21800 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 429; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:52:51 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980916165248.009e3880@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:52:51 -0400 To: "Jordan, Michael" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Crap! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is that true? Then when I get a car stereo installed at Best Buy, why do I pay tax? At 01:29 PM 9/16/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >In Virginny - > >Objects are subject to sales tax > >Labor is not > >Michael J. > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 16:53:57 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21810 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Crap! Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:52:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) This is what I thought too. I'm going to have to dig deeper to find the truth. Glenn > In Virginny - > > Objects are subject to sales tax > > Labor is not > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 17:06:14 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22340 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id OAA19002 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:06:07 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:06:07 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A90B0@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "Slawson, Kurt" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: From Dual Sport to . . . Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:08:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kurt, The bits you have learned on the XT will carry over to the other bike. The basic skills are the same - scooter specific differences will manifest themselves rather quickly - you just need to take it a bit easy at first to learn the new machine's idiosyncracies. I'm not just sucking up to Jeanette on this - but consider a "previously owned" late model VFR 750 as second bike. Good manners, comfortable, enough power for two-up touring (short to medium range, at least) and one of the best all-round scooters to hit the roads. This, coupled with the XT would give you the best of pretty much all worlds. Another option is a Concours/ST1100 with a trailer for the XT (this way, if you see an interesting cow trail, you just park the bigger bike and head off into the boonies)... But I digress Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 17:39:23 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23736 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 9NWUa02115; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <180dcfac.36002fdc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:38:36 EDT To: kslawson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: From Dual Sport to . . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 4:46:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kslawson@XXXXXX writes: << What can I expect if I move up to, say, a 600cc sport bike? >> I'm not touching this one. :-))) Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 18:19:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25656 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15899 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15929 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:15:57 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Polaris Victory!! Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:15:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bde1bf$82034f20$2d80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <35FFDDBE.369FE091@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Oct. 1998 issue of Motorcycle Cruiser (what can I say, this bike was on the front, and they had some custom royal stars) It's called the 1999 Kawasaki Drifter. Cobra made a show bike a year or two ago based on the Vulc. 1500. Looked a lot like the old Indians (full skirt fenders). Kawi liked it. Press liked it. Take a 1998 Kawi Classic, put on body kit (looks sharp, except for the seat. It's a two up seat, and doesn't look as nice as a solo seat). Put on fuel injection. Tweak some things here and there. Dechrome it. Produce it in limited numbers. Kawi will sell all they can build. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 11:48 AM > To: George Howell > Subject: Re: Polaris Victory!! > > > George Howell wrote: > > > BTW, anybody see that new Kawi-Indian clone? Really nifty. > Except for the > > hideous seat. > > Huh? More info, please. > > Dale > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 18:20:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25735 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15917 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16011 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:20:10 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WJLAa13873 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <473a89e5.3600396f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:19:27 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: From Dual Sport to . . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-09-16 17:47:42 EDT, you write: << << What can I expect if I move up to, say, a 600cc sport bike? >> I'm not touching this one. :-))) >> Fishing anyone? Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 18:29:20 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26131 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:16:01 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Crap! Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:15:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bde1bf$83e889e0$2d80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Every time in the people's republic of Maryland... :( 38 more days... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 18:29:22 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26133 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:16:04 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Slawson, Kurt" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: From Dual Sport to . . . Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:15:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bde1bf$8644c960$2d80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199809162038.QAA21002@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Like switching to any new bike, even if it's the same 'type', there is going to be a 2000 mile (+/-) learning curve. Take it easy in the beginning, and you'll catch the hang of it. Are you looking at new or used bikes? I'm not terribly up on 'em, but I'll offer my thoughts: Katanas are supposed to be very comfy, and much better put together in this model year. You can get a 750 for the price of supersport 600's (or less) CBR600 is supposed to be a very competent SS bike, but it is also supposed to be great for someone new into sport bikes. Doesn't thrash you about as much. ZX6R HP king?? If you have enough money, the VFR is a better do-it-all bike (to most people, excepting those nuts on the interstate trying to turn their CBR600's into Wings;) (It's a joke, get over it:) If you plan on holding the bike for a few decades, the BMW R1100RS and R1100S are even more comfy, although MUCH heavier, and MUCH more expensive. OTOH, there's a reason they've had 6 digit speedos for so long. There's also the R1100GS. In the hands of the right rider (oh no, not that again!!) it is a very nimble bike (for a 550 pounder:) and has tons of bash-plate stuff available. And, I think it comes with semi-knobbies. The big (VERY big) cousin of your XT350. Wait another month or two if you are gonna buy from a dealer. Especially if it's someplace that doesn't sell many ATV's. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 18:31:25 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26219 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:31:23 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA19544; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809162230.SAA19544@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Magnas engines was Re: The Squid inside To: brown@XXXXXX (Dan Brown) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199809161215.IAA17627@zydeco.CSS.GOV> from "Dan Brown" at Sep 16, 98 08:09:38 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > At 02:13 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote: > >...exactly...like a V65 Magna/Sabre..and anyone who's ridden one > >of these beasts will attest to the fact that whatever they may be, they're > >certainly *not* boring, heavy or or gawdsakes..SLOW! ;-) > > > Isn't the engine in the Magnas very similar to what was put into the > old Honda Interceptors (the ORIGINAL "crotch rocket"), which eventually > evolved into the VFR? > > IIRC, the Magna's were the fastest thing in their class when the originally > came out. Hell yes, they haul butt. Zbig... wasn't the bike you had > before the FJ12 a V45 Magna? > Yes, it was. And I still miss it - if you guys see reasonably priced Magna in good shape, let me know. > > -- > The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the > conspiracy is working. > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 18:33:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26242 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16089 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16516 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:33:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WTTEa29185; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:32:50 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: From Dual Sport to . . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 6:26:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << Fishing anyone? >> He's all yours. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 18:34:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26258 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16102 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16535 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:34:21 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WVZFa03122 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <25097def.36003cbc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:33:32 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: From Dual Sport to . . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-09-16 18:32:50 EDT, you write: << He's all yours. LOL >> GET THE GAFF! Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 18:42:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26702 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16185 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16659 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-179.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.179]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA05620 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: <36003EC5.6E8D857B@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:42:13 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Crap! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Any know the laws when registering a vehicle in VA? I was real surprised > that you have to pay taxes on freight charges and labor (bike setup). > Granted this is only the second new vehicle I have owned but when have you > ever had to pay taxes on those items before? The Virginia Code is on-line. http://leg1.state.va.us Administrative Rules are also there. This should be available with a good search. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 19:01:00 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27571 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:00:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7TALa03785; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d0e058e.36004287@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:58:15 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, kslawson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: From Dual Sport to . . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 6:39:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << There's also the R1100GS. In the hands of the right rider (oh no, not that again!!) it is a very nimble bike (for a 550 pounder:) >> Actually I have a friend (50 year old ex-road-racer) with one and in the twisties at high speeds it's a pretty close call when I'm riding the 86-VFR-750. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 19:02:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27612 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16438 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17141 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:02:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id QSXKa10153; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:00:59 EDT To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crap! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/16/98 6:49:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. >> No way, give me a Piaggio Ciao any day. I'm nationalistic. LOL From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 19:05:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27707 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16493 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17208 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (user-38lcjuc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.204]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA03919 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980916190812.007f2450@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:08:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: BMW K1200 LT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those who like this sort of bike, you can find some early photos of the K1200 LT on: http://www.motomag.com/nouveau/munich/bmlt101.htm It helps if you know French. For those who don't, just keep clicking on the arrow on the bottom right of the picture to cycle through all 13 images. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 19:40:53 1998 Return-Path: khafre@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29130 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-57-88.s88.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.88]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17572 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36004B8D.CD9D313D@erols.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:36:45 -0400 From: "John A. Wilson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday... References: <199809151539.LAA04542@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds like a good idea. Count me in. John '93 Katana 750 Anita Lauro wrote: > I fear that this list may soon be shut down for a sanity break (those > of you who were here for the Squeakers debacle know why). If it > is, please email me directly at "2xracers@XXXXXX" if you'd like > to go riding Saturday. > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 (whew, it's getting hot in here) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 23:12:42 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08593 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA01878 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3600A964.4B91@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:17:08 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Summit Point Write-up / RRW / Rambling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Gang, I came across this post today (D-mode here folks) by Todd Peer : > don't know about Hailwood and Agostini, but I do know about Bemisderfer, > Tim and Bryan. Tim took his brothers track record away at Summit Point > on a Suzi GSXR(1100 I believe, better if a 750), but Bryan rides an R1. > In my opinion, Bryan is a better rider (though, side by side it's hard > to tell). How could this be? ... and was reminded that in this month's Road Racing World there is a fairly lengthy write-up on last month's WERA races at SP. It was pretty neat to read. For the non-cognoscenti, RRW is FREE when you become a MARRC member cornerworking at the track. Pretty neat mag all in all There are a bunch of us on DC-Cycles who have become corner workers and next year you should too! (http://marrc.nova.org/) I especially liked reading how Army of Darkness cited the outstanding cornerworkers, and how later someone else complimented us, being happy that there were no red flags despite all the ambulances etc... Oh, almost forgot! The first story was about the new BMW R1000S - that's right an 'S' for 'Sport'! I think Sean (TL) mentioned today that Motorcyclist also featured the bike in the latest issue. Anywho, this seems like a VF attractive machine! Very sexy, very stylish. The comprehensive RRW review differed markedly from the disappointing review given the RS by MCN a few months ago. Oh (finally getting to Todd's point above ;)where he asked "How could this be?" The Bemisderfer Bros do go neck and neck (wheel and wheel? ;) regularly. Is this the case Todd, when a host of little factors like mood, attitude, maybe different tires, maybe suspension settings all combine to shave maybe a few tenths or hundredths of a second off of the time? I mean, it seems that might be the case. Never having raced I can only guess, but I'm beginning to better appreciate the incredible stress that racers must be under on the track and that there must be all kinds of little things that might go wrong - à la Bryan Bemisdefer's gravel run in #1 Sorry to ramble - kind of in a moto-philo mood tonight =:^D JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 23:16:33 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08672 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA02116 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3600AA51.47F1@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:21:05 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Yamaha YZF R1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mehran mehran asked: > Does anyone know of anybody who is selling a R1? New or used. I don't know anyone who could even find one new, let alone wanting to sell it once they got it :) They're pretty rare I think. JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 23:27:06 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09042 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-26.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.67]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA03237; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:26:48 -0400 Message-ID: <009501bde1ea$de8818e0$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "George Howell" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Crap! Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:18:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 DC2 Bill S. From: George Howell >Every time in the people's republic of Maryland... > >:( > >38 more days... > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 23:27:06 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09041 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-26.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.67]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA03240 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:26:49 -0400 Message-ID: <009601bde1ea$df5aab20$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: CAMS public service featured Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:25:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 My personal congratulations to CAMS* for the Adopt-a-Highway project featured in a very nice one-pager plus pic in the latest AMA American Motorcyclist. The writeup tells of how they have taken under their wing a 10mi stretch of road: state Route 601 between U.S. Route 50 and Virginia Route 7 just east of Berryville. Working through VDOT they keep the section de-trashed, seemingly little problem since members travel it frequently. Signs at ends of the section credit CAMS' work, and public reaction, like residents' thanks and motorists waves, has been evidenced. . . . "While a few hours cleaning a road is not going to end all stupid motorcyclist stereotypes, it can provide plenty of fresh air and fun, bolster group camaraderie and even influence a few non-riders in a positive way. And that can be really useful the next time somebody proposes a motorcycle ban in public parks, restaurant parking lots or housing developments." . . . Written by John M. Weinstein, pictured is Sash Dow, "vice president of trash" (Which position must be of much higher stature than its name implies). Sounds like a major image boost in NW Va. *Capital Area Motorhead Society ("Motorcycle" vice Motorhead a couple of places in the piece). Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 16 23:34:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09506 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19613 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23934 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:34:13 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WAPDa10655 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:33:13 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:33:13 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Yamaha YZF R1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I was at Colemans in WB tonite. They have a Red/White R1 for sale!!! Didnt bother to ask price as I know it was too much. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 06:22:17 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27352 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:22:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RWAHa22052; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e9b59d8.3600e26b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:20:27 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Yamaha YZF R1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Actually, there is (was) an R-1 site where I saw a few for sale a few months ago. Try doing a search on "R-1" and see what happens. It seemed to me most of the sales are people who like the bike but just don't fit on it. (Bigger guys) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 07:51:12 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01006 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:51:10 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA20035 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809171153.HAA20035@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Saturday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I am planning to do some exploring in PA this Saturday. Estimated road - 300-400 miles, leaving from Leesburg. Pace - average-to fast, usually 10-20 above speed limit. some picture taking planned. if you want to join me, let me know via e-mail. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 08:10:33 1998 Return-Path: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from draco.eisi.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [204.6.58.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01819 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA19773; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma019742; Thu, 17 Sep 98 08:09:51 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:10:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 09/16/98 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:10:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Robert Van Slyke writes: "When it comes down to it, we all have something in common: motorcycles. It shouldn't matter what make, model, style or whatever else, as long as it is a motorcycle. It shouldn't matter how we ride, where we ride, or who we choose to ride with. We all simply have a passion for motorcycles. And most importantly riding them. Can't we all just put our differences aside and enjoy a nice ride together?" I would hope so, but it seems that there's an awful lot of time spent here distinguishing who the "real" bikers are based on how often they ride to work, how much of their own maintenance they do, etc. I ride because I love it. Am I not a "real" biker because my afternoon commute usually involved 15-30 minutes of sitting in stopped traffic, and I know that if it's really hot, riding means sitting there in my leathers getting really hot, having no fun, dealing with extra-aggressive drivers, and I'd rather sit in my air-conditioned truck, listen to NPR, and take the bike out after dinner and have some *fun* with it? reading comments here it would be easy to conclude that I'm not a "real" biker because although I love the idea of doing all the work on my bike myself, in reality I have so little free time that I take it to the shop for most things beyond oil changes. I'm not trying to start a fight here; just pointing out how some of this sounds to someone who has not met the writers in person and perhaps doesn't have the right context to put these comments into. I'm sure that you are mostly really nice folks. But a lot of what gets written here comes across as guys with something to prove, guys with inflated egos, and so on. I think someone new to motorcycling reading it for the first time could get turned off from the list really easily because it sounds like they would not be welcome unless they push their car in the river and ride all the time. I chalk it up to the inevitable distortion of this medium... but I do with some of the regulars would give it a rest. Just my 2 cents. (And note that I'm NOT saying any of this excuses the outbursts we've been seeing lately.. but similarly, there's no excuse for the "I bet you're a lousy rider, I bet you can't fix your bike" crap that's been showing up either.) John Whiteside jwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 08:14:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01923 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26264 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01056 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-179.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.179]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA23548; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:16:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3600FD31.485BE088@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:14:41 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mopeds (new subject old thread) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon wrote: > << Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. Then Fred wrote: > > No way, give me a Piaggio Ciao any day. I'm nationalistic. LOL Fred, Let me know when, I'd like to help you take that title. I wasn't on the moped, but it was still one of the most difficult 24 hour rides I've been on. http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 08:29:50 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02728 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28272 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:38:46 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9C2@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Polaris Victory!! Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:36:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just read an article in RoadRacing World - an interview with one of the upper-level design team at BMW. He stated in there that to create a bike from scratch, with no similar engine parts as a previous model.. takes somewhere arround 7 (seven) years. Even the new R1100S (which was based heavily on a previous model) was developed over 2 years... And this is a german company known for their enginering prowress... Now, what was the complaint about the Polaris taking 2.5 years from start to finish instead of 2 years? *IF* the bike turns out to be all that they say (or even most), I'd have to say that Polaris is On The Ball with their development department. I, for one, am looking forward to being able to ride one.. and maybe even own one. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 08:29:52 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02730 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27806 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:24:03 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9BE@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Crap! - be afraid Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:21:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone realize that the factory pays the shop to setup the bike.. shops charge us so the can earn a few extra $$'s on top.. same with shipping. I know for a fact this is true with Honda (I know a Honda MC rep.), and have heard the same from others about the rest of the Jap. Companies. -----Original Message----- In a message dated 9/16/98 3:53:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Any know the laws when registering a vehicle in VA? I was real surprised that you have to pay taxes on freight charges and labor (bike setup). Granted this is only the second new vehicle I have owned but when have you ever had to pay taxes on those items before? >> Glenn, Having bought a new bike within the last year or so (today is 1 year exactly) I clearly remember the freight and prep fee were NOT taxable as they were a flat rate. Id be wary about that...but who knows, the costs I saw might have already had these taxes included (unlikely since they were round numbers like $400 even for freight). Id look harder into it. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 08:29:47 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02726 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28142 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:32:35 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9C0@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: From Dual Sport to . . . Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:29:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Whoa.. I hit that one right on the nose.. XT250 and VFR700.. and I can't agree more (assuming your 'medium range' touring is up to 400mile days, 2~3 strung together).. Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- Kurt, The bits you have learned on the XT will carry over to the other bike. The basic skills are the same - scooter specific differences will manifest themselves rather quickly - you just need to take it a bit easy at first to learn the new machine's idiosyncracies. I'm not just sucking up to Jeanette on this - but consider a "previously owned" late model VFR 750 as second bike. Good manners, comfortable, enough power for two-up touring (short to medium range, at least) and one of the best all-round scooters to hit the roads. This, coupled with the XT would give you the best of pretty much all worlds. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 08:40:18 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03187 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id FAA11958 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:40:11 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:40:11 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A90FF@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: From Dual Sport to . . . Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:42:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Whoa.. I hit that one right on the nose.. XT250 and VFR700.. > and I can't > agree more (assuming your 'medium range' touring is up to > 400mile days, 2~3 strung together).. That's pretty much what I had in mind - although one person's concept of comfort can vary greatly from another's. Reminds me of a Volkswagen ad that I saw at a dealer in northern Italy - in English it said: "Scirocco, comfort for four" and in Italian it said: "Scirocco, comfort for five" - different perceptions of comfort... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 09:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05895 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:46:42 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9C5@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: anger revisited.. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:44:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've seen this thread come around about 3 times since I've been here.. and I'm probably gonna set it off, again... Last night, I'm sitting at a stoplight behind 1 car. Maybe a carlenth of space between he and I - an escape route for me. 2 lanes of traffic on my left, and a right turn only lane on my right. A car turns from the lane to my left behind me and looking like he was going to turn right.. only he didn't - he went to the right of me and tried to cut me off (as the light turned green). I was so astounded I almost just sat there.. but gathered my anger, rolled up quickly, beeped the horn and screamed 'What the F#$%K !?!' then took a nice shot at his car with my foot.. I still have red paint on the sole of my boot.. and I know I did some good damage with the buckle that's on the outside of my boot too (felt it scrape).. I know it's just road rage.. but why are people such morons that way? I mean, really.. it's not like the guy was going to get anywhere any faster.. but he still had to run really close to me to 'sneak' into a spot.. how stupid and lame is that? Of course I didn't stick arround to see if he'd get serious about his attempts to get ahead of everyone else and just took off.. best thing I could have done in my book... Bah.. I've a REALLY sour taste in my mouth for cage drivers now... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 10:01:38 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06488 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA32004; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:00:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980917140026.ZUHP31405@XXXXXX>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:00:26 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" Subject: RE: CAMS public service featured Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:59:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bde243$70d782a0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <009601bde1ea$df5aab20$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> Importance: Normal FMI on the CAMS http://www.clark.net/pub/hacker/CAMS/ > -----Original Message----- > From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 11:26 PM > To: Dc Cycles > Subject: CAMS public service featured > > > My personal congratulations to CAMS* for the Adopt-a-Highway project > featured in a very nice one-pager plus pic in the latest AMA American > Motorcyclist. The > writeup tells of how they have taken under their wing a 10mi stretch of > road: state Route 601 between U.S. Route 50 and Virginia Route 7 just east > of Berryville. Working through VDOT they keep the section de-trashed, > seemingly little problem since members travel it frequently. > Signs at ends > of the section credit CAMS' work, and public reaction, like residents' > thanks and motorists waves, has been evidenced. > > . . . > "While a few hours cleaning a road is not going to end all stupid > motorcyclist stereotypes, it can provide plenty of fresh air and fun, > bolster group camaraderie and even influence a few non-riders in > a positive > way. And that can be really useful the next time somebody proposes a > motorcycle ban in public parks, restaurant parking lots or housing > developments." > . . . > > Written by John M. Weinstein, pictured is Sash Dow, "vice president of > trash" (Which position must be of much higher stature than its name > implies). > > Sounds like a major image boost in NW Va. > > *Capital Area Motorhead Society ("Motorcycle" vice Motorhead a couple of > places in the piece). > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 10:12:23 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06946 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA06848; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:14:03 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa06674; Thu, 17 Sep 98 10:13:21 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZF0056OM303W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256682.004DC07F ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:09:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:09:33 -0400 Subject: Re: anger revisited.. To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <85256682.004DAD91.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Perhaps you can re-channel that into a sour taste toward idiots ... I don't like sterotyping cages any more than I like others sterotyping bikers, so I try to focus on the individual. After all, I drive a cage also, and am extra kind to bikers around me, even the morons. I think stupidity can present itself in many forms ... cagers, truckers, motorcyclists, bicyclists, pedestrians, etc. It's a jungle out there, chris To: 'dc' cc: From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" Date: 09/17/98 01:44:00 PM GMT Subject: anger revisited.. --snip-- Bah.. I've a REALLY sour taste in my mouth for cage drivers now... 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 10:15:56 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07220 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic8.cais.com [207.226.56.8]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15386 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980917101444.006eca58@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:14:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Re: anger revisited.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9C5@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:44 AM 9/17/98 -0400, you wrote: I >mean, really.. it's not like the guy was going to get anywhere any faster.. >Brian McCoy > > Just gotta get home .00000000000001 second sooner today, maybe if I get in front of this Motorcycle.... Mike B. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 10:37:13 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08105 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA30952; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:37:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199809171437.KAA30952@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Mike , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:37:16 -0400 Subject: Re: anger revisited.. Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980917101444.006eca58@mail.dc.net> References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9C5@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 17 Sep 98, at 10:14, Mike wrote: > Just gotta get home .00000000000001 second sooner today, > maybe if I get in front of this Motorcycle.... This always cracks me up... I'm stopped at a traffic light, next to an empty lane. Car comes up behind me then pulls around me into the empty lane. Like I'm going to slow HIM down! Can you say "See Ya!"? :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (but officer, I couldn't have been going THAT fast, I was only in 1st gear!) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 10:42:05 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08181 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 260; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:41:30 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980917104118.0102f650@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:41:30 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: anger revisited.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Why would this start a flame war? Cause you kicked the car and the cager hates MC riders now? Screw him, maybe he got the point. A woman boxed me in yesterday next to another woman, and I needed to get left. There was enough room to accelerate and weave between them (barely with cushion). As I performed the move the Maryland driver w/ tinted windows swerves into my target spot with no warning. I was using blinkers, being visible, etc. I followed her into her parking lot to tell her what I thought of her, and she u-turned and took off. I wasnt acting in a threatening manner, guess she knew what she did and was worried. Oh well..... Want to talk about inciting flames, this should do it. Why is it always the displaced Maryland drivers in Northen Virginia that can't seem to drive? Is it something you learn in Maryland? Is it the cars? Time and time again it is a Maryland driver that cuts me off, steers across 4 lanes of the beltway to catch an exit, etc..... Just my thoughts. At 09:44 AM 9/17/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >I've seen this thread come around about 3 times since I've been here.. and >I'm probably gonna set it off, again... > >Last night, I'm sitting at a stoplight behind 1 car. Maybe a carlenth of >space between he and I - an escape route for me. 2 lanes of traffic on my >left, and a right turn only lane on my right. A car turns from the lane to >my left behind me and looking like he was going to turn right.. only he >didn't - he went to the right of me and tried to cut me off (as the light >turned green). I was so astounded I almost just sat there.. but gathered my >anger, rolled up quickly, beeped the horn and screamed 'What the F#$%K !?!' >then took a nice shot at his car with my foot.. I still have red paint on >the sole of my boot.. and I know I did some good damage with the buckle >that's on the outside of my boot too (felt it scrape).. > >I know it's just road rage.. but why are people such morons that way? I >mean, really.. it's not like the guy was going to get anywhere any faster.. >but he still had to run really close to me to 'sneak' into a spot.. how >stupid and lame is that? Of course I didn't stick arround to see if he'd >get serious about his attempts to get ahead of everyone else and just took >off.. best thing I could have done in my book... > >Bah.. I've a REALLY sour taste in my mouth for cage drivers now... > >Brian McCoy > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 10:47:28 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08574 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA28242 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:47:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Real motorcyclists was Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/16/98 In-Reply-To: <000401bde247$a7a97d20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I would hope so, but it seems that there's an awful lot of time spent here > distinguishing who the "real" bikers are based on how often they ride to > work, how much of their own maintenance they do, etc. This is true of every hobby, occupation, etc that humans get involved in. It is the nature of the beast that we should want to distinguish ourselves in some way. > I ride because I love it. Then why should it matter what others think? I will say that the things that are generally used to define a "real biker" often have more than a small basis in safety. If you ride to work everyday there's a definite benefit to your skills. If you do your own maintenance (and do it well) you're more likely to be able to handle mechanical failures on the road. More than just that, with all the horror stories I've heard of service at dealers (e.g., having the lowest paid person in the shop install your wheels and that person doesn't bother to tighten the bolts...) you'd be wise to at least be able to check out the service that's been done. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 10:54:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08673 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28564 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (known machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06249 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:52:10 -0400 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A8418E094@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Front End Stands Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:52:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I got a pit bull front end stand from Fast Lane. I forget the exact price but it was around $130-140. You do need a rear stand to use it. There are 2 front stands. The one that lifts from the triple clamp area allows servicing of the forks. It comes with adapters specific to certain bikes. My ZX9 ('95 so the '98 may be different) has a plastic protector on the triple clamps. It says that would have to be removed to use that stand. I bought the one that lifts from the bottom of the forks. This allows for front wheel removal. It is pretty nice. If you need a rear stand there are two types there. Spooled and non-spooled. The ZX9 is threaded for spools. They hold much better than the non, but if you have more than 1 bike, it requires a wrench to readjust the width. A spool is much like the piece on a sewing machine and screws into the swing arm. The stand has a Y shaped piece of metal on top that fits into the spool and holds the bike up. The non-spooled rear stands have a rubber covered piece of metal that slides under the swingarm. I actually have to adjust the width of the rear stand significantly between my F2 and ZX9. So, even though they are both set up for spools, it is much easier to use a non-spooled stand. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 10:58:08 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09022 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:29:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:29:40 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anger revisited.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >>> "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" >>>09/17/98 = 09:44AM >>> >>> >>>Bah.. I've a REALLY sour taste in my mouth for cage drivers now... >>> Take a deep breath...count to 10...let it out...then gargle with some = Listerine to get rid of that sour taste. :-) Scooter >>>Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 11:00:18 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09112 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA03078; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980917145907.NUR31405@XXXXXX>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:59:07 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike" , Subject: RE: anger revisited.. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:58:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bde24b$a36d0f20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980917101444.006eca58@mail.dc.net> Importance: Normal Mike Benedict wrote: > > > At 09:44 AM 9/17/98 -0400, you wrote: > I > >mean, really.. it's not like the guy was going to get anywhere > any faster.. > > >Brian McCoy > > > > > > Just gotta get home .00000000000001 second sooner today, maybe if I get in > front of this Motorcycle.... > > Mike B. LOL! But I'm thinking it's something else. Usually (on those rare occasions) when I drive my car, I am much more courteous to everyone and I drive the speed limit (OK, maybe a LITTLE faster). I think it's due to the size and weight difference I'm not used to. Back to the point I was going to make. I wonder if people are thinking about 'getting' there faster, or if they are feeling 'competitive'. You know, "this guy is so damn slow. I'm just gonna blow past him". Or maybe people are just more removed from the reality of their surroundings. You know, everyones an asshole when you drive. There was an old movie called "Woman in a cage", I think. It was a story of a woman who was crippled and had to use an elevator to get up and down in her two story home. Thugs arrive and stop the elevator in mid stride, and pretty much terrorize the woman. What the hell does this have to do with anything! Well, the movie opens with a Dog getting hit by a car in front of the house. People slow to look but don't get out to help. At the end of the movie, the woman fashions (sewing needles) into weapons and stabs the lead terrorist in the eyes. He runs out of the house and gets hit by a car. People slow, but don't get out to help. I think the movie was saying, and I agree that people, comfortable in their little boxes, their cages, tend to remove themselves from the overall environment and feel no affinity for others as a result. Brian was just an object to that car. More than likely that driver saw him as no threat at all and just didn't give it a second thought. I'm sure that if Brians action didn't anger the animal in the cage, he certainly surprised them. Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 11:17:12 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09912 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id IAA00218 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:17:06 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A916E@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: anger revisited.. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:19:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > This always cracks me up... I'm stopped at a traffic light, > next to an > empty lane. Car comes up behind me then pulls around me into > the empty lane. Like I'm going to slow HIM down! Can you say > "See Ya!"? :-) > Anita Maybe he just wants to get a better look at the beautiful woman on the great looking motorcycle (while you're still within sight)?? ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 11:21:06 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10023 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:20:16 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 17 Sep 1998 11:20:13 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 17 Sep 1998 11:20:13 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 06D41360128AD024-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 06D41360128AD024 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <06D41360128AD024*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 17 Sep 1998 11:20:13 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles Subject: The polls are closed! Message-Id: <06D41360128AD024*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 11:37:01 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10837 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:35:49 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F0E@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: anger revisited.. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:41:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain And then spit the Listerine on the cage... > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 10:30 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: anger revisited.. > > > > >>> "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" >>>09/17/98 > 09:44AM >>> > >>> > >>>Bah.. I've a REALLY sour taste in my mouth for cage drivers now... > >>> > > Take a deep breath...count to 10...let it out...then gargle with some > Listerine to get rid of that sour taste. :-) > > Scooter > > >>>Brian McCoy > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 11:54:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11492 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29764 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08712 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19705 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17185; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980917114835.008bab50@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:48:35 -0400 To: harris@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm 9/12-13 @ Summit Point Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Team Charm had a bummer event at Summit Point last weekend. You can read all about it at http://www.erols.com/sturges/news/news.html. Pics of the new bike will be posted next week. Enjoy Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 11:57:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11582 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29803 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08796 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA28181; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:50:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:50:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Mike cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Front end stand In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980916110342.006eb388@mail.dc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I use a car floor jack, a scrap of wood and (sometimes) a jack stand. No problems, but not as stable as a real bike stand. --garcia On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Mike wrote: > So I'm looking for a front end stand, and was wondering if anyone had any > recommendation regarding brand, or what to avoid etc... I've never used one > before so any advice would be appreciated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 11:57:12 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11583 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 453; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:56:34 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980917115632.00fcc980@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:56:34 -0400 To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, DC Cycles From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: The polls are closed! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What polls? Never saw any email requesting a vote on the logos. Not really representative of the 150+ on the list. Although I like 1b too :-) At 11:20 AM 9/17/98 -0400, Burger, Donald wrote: >The polls have been closed and here are the results: > >1A- 1 >1B- 8 >5 - 1 >8 - 4 >10 - 3 >11 - 3 >12 - 5 >14 - 2 > >So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. > >Don B > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 12:47:04 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13900 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:47:02 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA04423; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:48:55 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa04268; Thu, 17 Sep 98 12:48:49 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZF00J16TAIEQ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256682.005C039F ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:45:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:44:38 -0400 Subject: Re: The polls are closed! To: Michael Troutman Cc: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Message-id: <85256682.005BE11C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL There were several e-mails ... even detailling how he was going to automatically tabulate the votes and describing the syntax to use in your response. On a related note, thanks for running that issue to ground Don! I am pleased to have a logo, regardless of which one won. --chris To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, DC Cycles cc: From: Michael Troutman Date: 09/17/98 03:56:34 PM GMT Subject: Re: The polls are closed! What polls? Never saw any email requesting a vote on the logos. Not really representative of the 150+ on the list. Although I like 1b too :-) At 11:20 AM 9/17/98 -0400, Burger, Donald wrote: >The polls have been closed and here are the results: > >1A- 1 >1B- 8 >5 - 1 >8 - 4 >10 - 3 >11 - 3 >12 - 5 >14 - 2 > >So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. > >Don B > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 12:59:52 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14442 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 115; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:59:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980917125914.00b861d0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:59:16 -0400 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: The polls are closed! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I get messages at home and work. Maybe they got crossed somehow. Or maybe it was the day my mail server went down....actually...it was that day, Thursday right? Oh well. :-( At 12:44 PM 9/17/98 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >There were several e-mails ... even detailling how he was going to >automatically tabulate the votes and describing the syntax to use in your >response. > >On a related note, thanks for running that issue to ground Don! I am >pleased to have a logo, regardless of which one won. > >--chris > >To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, DC Cycles >cc: >From: Michael Troutman >Date: 09/17/98 03:56:34 PM GMT >Subject: Re: The polls are closed! > > > > >What polls? Never saw any email requesting a vote on the logos. Not >really representative of the 150+ on the list. Although I like 1b too :-) > >At 11:20 AM 9/17/98 -0400, Burger, Donald wrote: >>The polls have been closed and here are the results: >> >>1A- 1 >>1B- 8 >>5 - 1 >>8 - 4 >>10 - 3 >>11 - 3 >>12 - 5 >>14 - 2 >> >>So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. >> >>Don B >> > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >It takes a village to satisfy a president. > > > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 13:02:20 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14806 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:47:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:47:24 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The polls are closed! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline OK. So now, who's in charge of t-shirts, stickers, etc.? Scooter >>> "Burger, Donald " 09/17/98 11:20AM = >>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B =20 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 13:05:19 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14826 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:49:08 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:48:58 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: anger revisited.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline This would work also. hehe Scooter >>> "Mersch, Tom" 09/17/98 11:41AM >>> And then spit the Listerine on the cage... > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX]=20 > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 10:30 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX=20 > Subject: Re: anger revisited.. >=20 >=20 >=20 > >>> "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" >>>09/17/98= > 09:44AM >>> > >>> > >>>Bah.. I've a REALLY sour taste in my mouth for cage drivers now... > >>> >=20 > Take a deep breath...count to 10...let it out...then gargle with some > Listerine to get rid of that sour taste. :-) >=20 > Scooter >=20 > >>>Brian McCoy >=20 >=20 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 13:16:57 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15366 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:13:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Michael Troutman" , , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: The polls are closed! Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:12:55 -0400 Message-ID: <002201bde25e$696a0180$640000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19980917115632.00fcc980@www.troutman.org> 27 out of 150 isn't a good sample??? Okay, maybe I missed 50% of my stat classes, but I still got a B, and I thought that a sample that was 16% of the population was pretty darned good. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 13:17:06 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15368 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:13:14 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Michael Troutman" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: anger revisited.. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:12:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bde25e$67e97c00$640000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19980917104118.0102f650@www.troutman.org> Far be it from me to defend Md. drivers (they do generally suck) but there's more than a few people from Va. who wandered over the river who haven't figured things out over here. Lots of people commute to Pax river. Cross over the Nice bridge, and head down 234. Lived two miles from 234 for about 17 years. It's a road you can drive fast on, but nobody does. 60 is what all the locals do. So why do all the people from Va. figure that it's time for the Indy time trials when they hit this road? 80 just isn't safe. There's farm equipment, TONS of school buses, occasionally horses and buggies... Let's face it, there are idiot drivers everywhere, and from every state. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Want to talk about inciting flames, this should do it. Why is it always > the displaced Maryland drivers in Northen Virginia that can't seem to > drive? Is it something you learn in Maryland? Is it the cars? Time and > time again it is a Maryland driver that cuts me off, steers across 4 lanes > of the beltway to catch an exit, etc..... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 13:16:51 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15364 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:13:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: anger revisited.. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:12:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bde25e$67201180$640000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9C5@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> BTDT. All I gotta say is kudos to you. And make sure you can get the hell outta the way if he pulls a gun. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 13:28:36 1998 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15892 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (DHCP128231230165.cit.nih.gov [128.231.230.165]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00330 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360145B8.53CCC62E@radix.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:24:09 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: anger revisited.. References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9C5@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This always cracks me up... I'm stopped at a traffic light, next to an empty lane. Car comes up behind me then pulls around me into the empty lane. Like I'm going to slow HIM down! Can you say "See Ya!"? :-) & let's not forget the BDC's that jump in front of you as you are coasting or braking to a stop. I love their squirming as they park themselves directly in front of my 130w high beam for the next 2 minutes at the light. I often wave. Nobody waves back. I've also found the high wattage headlight very effective at removing left-lane hogs. I just park my headlight in one of their mirrors & stay there as long as they remain in the lane. When they finally decide to move, I just go about my merry way. If by chance I find I'm about to hold someone up, I move, period. I make better time that way too. Imagine that. Dave '90 ZX11 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 13:44:32 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16768 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 346; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:43:58 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980917134354.00aab220@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:43:58 -0400 To: "George Howell" , , "DC Cycles" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: The polls are closed! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Heh. Given a large population, it is. Given a small population it isnt quite so accurate. Id like to see at least 1/3 of the people respond. Would be easier if we eliminated a few of the ones that really wont work (nuke explosion, rocky mountains, etc...). I'll be happy to set up a special email address for them to be sent to and tabulated. At 01:12 PM 9/17/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >27 out of 150 isn't a good sample??? > >Okay, maybe I missed 50% of my stat classes, but I still got a B, and I >thought that a sample that was 16% of the population was pretty darned good. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 13:46:20 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16857 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id KAA06647 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:46:15 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:46:15 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A91D6@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: The polls are closed! Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:48:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Now that I'm fashionably late... 1B is good by me too - although I prefer the gradient colors in 1A Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 14:05:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17805 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02207 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14858 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tstraining3 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21896; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809171805.OAA21896@smtp1.erols.com> X-Sender: sled@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:14:03 -0400 To: roadhouse@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wes Fleming Subject: Needed: Parts for Honda Shadow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks -- First, please excuse the cross-post... I am in need of some parts for my bike. Today I put on a new handlebar and ALMOST everything fit perfectly. The only things that don't fit are the turn signals, which on my 1996 Shadow are mounted on the handlebar. The new 'bar looks great, feels great, rides like a dream, but the turn signals look really goofy. What I need is a set of turn signals from a Shadow "Spirit" -- '97 or '98. These are the turn signals that mount on the forks below the triple clamp. I can get these parts from Honda, but they're WAY expensive. If anyone can help me out with used (sorry, pre-owned) parts or even a price break on new parts, please e-mail me OFF LIST: sled@XXXXXX Thanks a lot, gangs. Wes "Today I am a MAN" Fleming Wes Fleming, MA sled@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" Yes, the helmet matches on purpose. No, my wife did NOT pick it out for me. http://shadow.newspeak.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 14:09:10 1998 Return-Path: jeep.guy@XXXXXX Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17833 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jeep.guy@XXXXXX) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DPC85UJQ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:08:48 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anger revisited.. Message-ID: <19980917.055033.4527.0.jeep.guy@juno.com> References: <19980917.052415.4431.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,8-9,16-85 From: jeep.guy@XXXXXX (Erik von Darkmoor) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:08:48 EDT Maryland drivers are the WORST, when they're in Virginia anyway. I can't count the number of moronic examples of poor driving that I have witnessed at the hands of Marylanders driving in my area. On the other hand, I have performed similarly while driving in Maryland. I have pulled the occasional Four Lane Veer toward a turn I'm about to miss because I don't know where the heck I am. In fact, I nearly rolled my Wrangler doing this once... Maybe the Maryland drivers you've seen are as lost and out of their element here as I am when I'm there... On the OTHER other hand, my wife drives an F150 (a very big one) and she is always being cut off, turned in front of, and just generally not being seen by other drivers (MD or VA). I don't know how you can miss a big ass truck barrelling down the road at you (and she's a leadfoot, so watch out) but people just don't seem to see her coming. Whenever we can, we like to yell (usually good-naturedly) out the window at these Mr. and Mrs. Magoos, "Hey, how 'bout that? There's a big truck here!!" Shrugging my shoulders and shaking my head ruefully. jeep.guy@XXXXXX (Erik) >--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- >Want to talk about inciting flames, this should do it. Why is it >always >the displaced Maryland drivers in Northen Virginia that can't seem to >drive? Is it something you learn in Maryland? Is it the cars? Time >and >time again it is a Maryland driver that cuts me off, steers across 4 >lanes >of the beltway to catch an exit, etc..... > >Just my thoughts. > >At 09:44 AM 9/17/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >>I've seen this thread come around about 3 times since I've been >here.. and >>I'm probably gonna set it off, again... >> >>Last night, I'm sitting at a stoplight behind 1 car. Maybe a >carlenth of >>space between he and I - an escape route for me. 2 lanes of traffic >on my >>left, and a right turn only lane on my right. A car turns from the >lane to >>my left behind me and looking like he was going to turn right.. only >he >>didn't - he went to the right of me and tried to cut me off (as the >light >>turned green). I was so astounded I almost just sat there.. but >gathered my >>anger, rolled up quickly, beeped the horn and screamed 'What the >F#$%K !?!' >>then took a nice shot at his car with my foot.. I still have red >paint on >>the sole of my boot.. and I know I did some good damage with the >buckle >>that's on the outside of my boot too (felt it scrape).. >> >>I know it's just road rage.. but why are people such morons that way? > I >>mean, really.. it's not like the guy was going to get anywhere any >faster.. >>but he still had to run really close to me to 'sneak' into a spot.. >how >>stupid and lame is that? Of course I didn't stick arround to see if >he'd >>get serious about his attempts to get ahead of everyone else and just >took >>off.. best thing I could have done in my book... >> >>Bah.. I've a REALLY sour taste in my mouth for cage drivers now... >> >>Brian McCoy >> > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >It takes a village to satisfy a president. > >--------- End forwarded message ---------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 14:37:55 1998 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19190 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA50322 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:21:32 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA33436 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:36:23 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100022581209; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:40:23 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: Re: anger revisited.. Message-ID: <5040100022581209000002L092*@MHS> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:40:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain It just makes me think of that TV commercial............ "I didn't even know those houses were there!!!" I always envision a BDC parked in someone's livingroom........................ Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 09-17-98 02:35 PM --------------------------- jeep.guy@XXXXXX on 09-17-98 02:22:05 PM From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 15:09:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20629 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03185 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18424 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WBMLa22617 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <23f4855d.36015e59@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:09:13 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Speaking of voting..(Non-MC, but people from CAMS should be interested!!!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 For any and all of those who might think this inappropriate, consider me rebuked in advance, but just wanted to let the applicable people know about this. For those folks living in Loudoun, the Board of Stupo-visors is considering a meal tax, which would invoke an additional 4% tax on all 'prepared meals' in the county. This tax is not exclusive to restauraunts and includes many of the general stores and small grocery shops in western/rural Loudoun. As a waiter, (and a concerned citizen), my stand is against, but I'll not give a full spiel (sp?) here; if anyone wants information on this contact me. My email address should be stashed at the top somewhere. Thanks folks, and have a good one. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 15:43:19 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22062 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:42:31 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F13@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Speaking of voting..(Non-MC, but people from CAMS should be i nterested!!!) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:47:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Yippee! I feel a thread coming on! What? A new tax? In a good, conservative, Republican, "we don't like taxes" state like VA? Quick!, trot out the comparisons between income taxes and personal property / sales taxes, and relate them to democrats and republicans, to liberals and conservatives, to md and va, to the moral-high-grounders and the rest of us. What other conspiratorial stuff can we do? Tune in next time.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [SMTP:Eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:09 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Speaking of voting..(Non-MC, but people from CAMS should be > interested!!!) > > For any and all of those who might think this inappropriate, consider me > rebuked in advance, but just wanted to let the applicable people know > about > this. For those folks living in Loudoun, the Board of Stupo-visors is > considering a meal tax, which would invoke an additional 4% tax on all > 'prepared meals' in the county. This tax is not exclusive to restauraunts > and > includes many of the general stores and small grocery shops in > western/rural > Loudoun. As a waiter, (and a concerned citizen), my stand is against, but > I'll > not give a full spiel (sp?) here; if anyone wants information on this > contact > me. My email address should be stashed at the top somewhere. Thanks folks, > and > have a good one. > > -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 16:10:12 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23040 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 392; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:09:22 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980917160914.00bedb80@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:09:22 -0400 To: "Mersch, Tom" , "'dc-cycles'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: Speaking of voting..(Non-MC, but people from CAMS should be interested!!!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Im biting the troll. Northern Virginia is, unfortunately, primarily democrat. I always thought it was Republican but local elections prove me wrong. As for the tax, any tax raise is bad. Mike steps off his elephant and kicks the neighbor's donkey. At 03:47 PM 9/17/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: >Yippee! I feel a thread coming on! > >What? A new tax? In a good, conservative, Republican, "we don't like taxes" >state like VA? > >Quick!, trot out the comparisons between income taxes and personal property >/ sales taxes, and relate them to democrats and republicans, to liberals >and conservatives, to md and va, to the moral-high-grounders and the rest of >us. > >What other conspiratorial stuff can we do? > >Tune in next time.... > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [SMTP:Eternity23@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:09 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Speaking of voting..(Non-MC, but people from CAMS should be >> interested!!!) >> >> For any and all of those who might think this inappropriate, consider me >> rebuked in advance, but just wanted to let the applicable people know >> about >> this. For those folks living in Loudoun, the Board of Stupo-visors is >> considering a meal tax, which would invoke an additional 4% tax on all >> 'prepared meals' in the county. This tax is not exclusive to restauraunts >> and >> includes many of the general stores and small grocery shops in >> western/rural >> Loudoun. As a waiter, (and a concerned citizen), my stand is against, but >> I'll >> not give a full spiel (sp?) here; if anyone wants information on this >> contact >> me. My email address should be stashed at the top somewhere. Thanks folks, >> and >> have a good one. >> >> -Sean Jordan > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 17:43:39 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27107 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:30:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dave Yates" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: anger revisited.. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:29:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bde282$4bf03060$640000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <360145B8.53CCC62E@radix.net> The funny thing with the lights is when they block the light with one hand. Then you switch mirrors. They switch hands. Then you switch back. Really fun. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 18:05:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28071 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05651 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25671 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-179.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.179]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08708; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:07:22 -0400 Message-ID: <36018791.45B221@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:05:05 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garcia Oliver CC: Mike , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Front end stand References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The moped doesn't have one either, but a couple of tie-downs going from the handlebars up to the garage door supports keep it upright. It isn't very steady, but that's not usually a problem. Leon. Garcia Oliver wrote: > > I use a car floor jack, a scrap of wood and (sometimes) a jack stand. No > problems, but not as stable as a real bike stand. > > On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Mike wrote: > > > So I'm looking for a front end stand, and was wondering if anyone had any > > recommendation regarding brand, or what to avoid etc... I've never used one > > before so any advice would be appreciated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 18:30:51 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29349 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18763; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27967; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809172230.SAA27967@shell.clark.net> Subject: Saturday Ride To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <199809172126.RAA04006@radagast.wizard.net> from "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@wizard.net>" at Sep 17, 98 05:27:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Louis - > > Your suggestions all sound fine to me... I like the idea of meeting > at the IHOP rather than Colemans... Coleman's parking lot is kind > of a pain. Do you want to post a message to dc-cycles with the > particulars, or should I? How about a 10:00 am start? Earlier for > breakfast, I guess. I'll make the announcement, since it's all the same anyway. Here's the story folks (those interested in the ride this Saturday). We're doing another old PARR Run. This was actually the first Law Ride held a few years ago. The official start of the ride by the ride sheet is at Coleman PowerSport in Falls Church. However, we'll meet near by. On Rt. 50, right at the intersection with Annandale Road (about 2 blocks from Coleman's) is an International House Of Pancakes (IHOP) I'll probably show up about 8:30, 9 at the latest for breakfast and to grab some tables if needed. There are gas stations all around, so no one should have an excuse for not being fully fueled up by departure time (hint hint). We'll leave at 10:00 am Sharp!! The route is approximately 131 miles long. The second checkpoint is located at a Roy Rogers, good for lunch. The ride ends at Capital Cycles, located near Dullas. Hopefully they will be open, as I remember it being an interesting place to look around. My goal is to be done about 4 pm. I will make several copies of the ride sheet, although I can't guarentee one for everybody. After seeing the result of some past rides, I would like to suggest that if the group is large (i.e. more than 8 people) we break up into 2 or more subgroups to be lead by volunteers. Please let me know if you are coming by for breakfast so I can try to hold enough room for all of us. If you are not coming in for breakfast, we'll meet out in the parking lot. Any questions, need of directions, etc. please e-mail Anita or me. Look forward to seeing you all Saturday! Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 19:24:44 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01791 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:20:10 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F11@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: anger revisited.. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:49:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain I move we adopt two new, non-PC pejoratives, DWMV (Driving While Marylander in Virginia) and DWVM (Driving While Virginian in Maryland), or perhaps a more generic one, DWNHS (Driving While Not in Home State). Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: jeep.guy@XXXXXX [SMTP:jeep.guy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 2:09 PM > To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: anger revisited.. > > Maryland drivers are the WORST, when they're in Virginia anyway. I can't > count the number of moronic examples of poor driving that I have > witnessed at the hands of Marylanders driving in my area. > > On the other hand, I have performed similarly while driving in Maryland. > I have pulled the occasional Four Lane Veer toward a turn I'm about to > miss because I don't know where the heck I am. In fact, I nearly rolled > my Wrangler doing this once... Maybe the Maryland drivers you've seen are > as lost and out of their element here as I am when I'm there... > > On the OTHER other hand, my wife drives an F150 (a very big one) and she > is always being cut off, turned in front of, and just generally not being > seen by other drivers (MD or VA). I don't know how you can miss a big ass > truck barrelling down the road at you (and she's a leadfoot, so watch > out) but people just don't seem to see her coming. Whenever we can, we > like to yell (usually good-naturedly) out the window at these Mr. and > Mrs. Magoos, "Hey, how 'bout that? There's a big truck here!!" > > > Shrugging my shoulders and shaking my head ruefully. > > jeep.guy@XXXXXX (Erik) > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 21:13:17 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06272 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr31-dialup23.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EZG00I3LGP4OJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 01:12:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:09:20 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Precision measuring caliper To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00de01bde2ba$1d2faca0$974a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Thomas wrote: >Marshall Amoco; 8:30am; if it doesn't rain; twisty 400 mile loop (I was >hoping 211, 33, 250, in no particular order). > >BTW: Who has Collin's name spelled wrong in their master list? I've gotten >undeliverable messages when responding to some messages with "fagen" in the >addy. Also, I see John Schumer's name on this list. Another MOFO who >hasn't ridden with us? Occasional attendance should be mandatory. ;-D >Hopefully we'll see you this Saturday, Jon. Hey Thomas, what "master list"? I've ridden with some MOFO riders, but not on any "official" kind of rides like Princeton or Deal's Gap. The last time I rode with "the list" was when you and Zbig made a cameo appearance before ~20 people took off from the (Leesburg?)Amoco. That's when we split into 2 groups and (will remain unnamed) person showed up in shorts/t-shirt and nike's that started that whole riding apparel flame war. BTW, I haven't gotten anything about a Sat. ride with the MOFO gang yet.........Marshal Amoco? I need info. 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 17 23:47:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12651 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09028 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03627 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:47:01 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WSBWa19214 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:46:16 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1811593c.3601d788@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:46:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: V30 Magna power curve Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 A friend of mine has a V30 Magna. He says it runs great, except there is a dip in power between 5 and 6,000 RPM. He says the bike pulls strong in every gear at RPMs other than 5-6k. Any ideas, or is this normal? Thanks in advance! Robert "no flames, please" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 00:18:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13913 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10497 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmls02.ce.mediaone.net (known elmls02.ce.mediaone.net [24.131.128.27]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04248 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dads-computer.ce.mediaone.net (d146-97.ce.mediaone.net [24.131.146.97]) by elmls02.ce.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA11089; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:18:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004b01bde2ba$681a7240$61928318@dads-computer.ce.mediaone.net> From: "John Rennau" To: , Subject: Re: Needed: Parts for Honda Shadow Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:11:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'm also looking for the mounting hardware for the turn signals. I put on ape hangers and the turn signals do look goofy. if you get any leads let me know. Thanks, Maverick -----Original Message----- From: Wes Fleming To: roadhouse@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 1:25 PM Subject: Needed: Parts for Honda Shadow >Folks -- > >First, please excuse the cross-post... > >I am in need of some parts for my bike. Today I put on a new handlebar and >ALMOST everything fit perfectly. The only things that don't fit are the >turn signals, which on my 1996 Shadow are mounted on the handlebar. The >new 'bar looks great, feels great, rides like a dream, but the turn signals >look really goofy. > >What I need is a set of turn signals from a Shadow "Spirit" -- '97 or '98. >These are the turn signals that mount on the forks below the triple clamp. >I can get these parts from Honda, but they're WAY expensive. > >If anyone can help me out with used (sorry, pre-owned) parts or even a >price break on new parts, please e-mail me OFF LIST: sled@XXXXXX > >Thanks a lot, gangs. > >Wes "Today I am a MAN" Fleming > >Wes Fleming, MA >sled@XXXXXX >'96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" >Yes, the helmet matches on purpose. >No, my wife did NOT pick it out for me. >http://shadow.newspeak.org >* >* >Mark the weekend of 10/9 - 10/11. We'd like to have a maximum turnout for NE2. For details, see the link off the main page of our website at http://www.shadowriders.org >* >* > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 07:10:19 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01906 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA03644 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id EAA17211 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:08:48 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:08:48 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A927A@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: anger revisited.. Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:11:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > I move we adopt two new, non-PC pejoratives, DWMV (Driving > While Marylander > in Virginia) and DWVM (Driving While Virginian in Maryland), > or perhaps a > more generic one, DWNHS (Driving While Not in Home State). I'll vote on the latter Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 07:17:26 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02342 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:16:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'NJitzul@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: V30 Magna power curve Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:15:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Being an owner of a V30 I would say that is not normal. Maybe he has some type of ignition and/or fuel problem? Glenn > A friend of mine has a V30 Magna. He says it runs great, except there is a > dip > in power between 5 and 6,000 RPM. He says the bike pulls strong in every > gear > at RPMs other than 5-6k. Any ideas, or is this normal? Thanks in advance! > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 07:31:41 1998 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02834 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (DHCP128231230165.cit.nih.gov [128.231.230.165]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18772 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36024397.2B2C15B1@radix.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:27:20 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: anger revisited.. References: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A927A@sw730x023.visa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always been partial to the phrase DWC, (Driving Without a Clue) Jordan, Michael wrote: > > I move we adopt two new, non-PC pejoratives, DWMV (Driving > > While Marylander > > in Virginia) and DWVM (Driving While Virginian in Maryland), > > or perhaps a > > more generic one, DWNHS (Driving While Not in Home State). > > I'll vote on the latter > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 07:32:02 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02845 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9CF@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: anger revisited.. Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:30:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Alright.. this is something I've known, but it was just raised to consciousness this morning. You know how everyone's always bitching and moaning about equal rights and equal representation? Well, I've found something that seems to be equal no matter the colour, race, sex.. stupidity.. God was generous when dishing out the 'moron' part of human nature... I watched the Types of people that behaved in an unthinking manor thus possibly jepordizing my (representing MCs) life.. First was the old white lady in the new Ovlov who swerved into my lane without signaling.. not that I would have seen it, I was looking in her driver-side window when she did it. Next was the young(ish) black man in the Ford Explorer who slammed on his brakes inexplicably.. no worry to me about stopping, worry about the other moron (shirt and tie asian fellow in a Chevy Caprice reading the paper) behind me making a MC & Brian sandwich.. Hell, even Cops are guilty of not thinking.. one was cruising up the shoulder this morning.. without his lights on (note - cloudcover makes it REALLY dark at 6:30am).. then he did turn his lights on, just as he was swerving across traffic to get to the otherside.. of course, traffic was almost stopped due to rubbernecking.. Argh.. and the sad part is it's only going to get worse. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 08:49:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06154 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15384 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11058 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dagoe (207-172-146-2.s2.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.2]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15101 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19980918085117.0079a350@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: dagoe@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:51:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Running Cloud Subject: Tires Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone had any experience with Kenda tires? From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 08:59:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06478 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15489 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11347 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24685; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:00:01 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119795F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Running Cloud'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tires Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:59:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain DR. John (of CAMS fame) has them on his Sabre... He says they are hard as rocks but last forever (something like 30k miles I believe he said). They'll probably dry rot before you wear out the tread :) Don't expect to take any kind of seriously deep lean angles with them, but if you go at a more leisurely pace, they should be fine.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Running Cloud [SMTP:dagoe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 8:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Tires > > Has anyone had any experience with Kenda tires? From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 09:12:31 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07134 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:11:43 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F15@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Tires Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:17:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain I've had a lot of experience with Kenda, and believe me, she never tires. Sorry, couldn't help it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Running Cloud [SMTP:dagoe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 8:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Tires > > Has anyone had any experience with Kenda tires? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 09:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07144 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Running Cloud'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tires Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:12:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) They are a cheaper brand. My .02 on tires is to get the best you can. Your life may depend on it. Seriously, I have had cheap tires on cars and bikes and they rode and felt cheap and usually slipped all over the road especially when the roads started to get wet. When it comes to tires and brakes get something decent. Good tires and/or brakes may just prevent that fatal accident. Glenn > Has anyone had any experience with Kenda tires? > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 09:21:05 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07581 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809181321.JAA07581@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AE39BB5041C; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:21:00 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:25:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Free Pickup Cap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Free Pickup Cap Came off a 1976 Toyota long bed (I don't have the dimensions with me, but it's about 7.5 ft. long). Aluminum sheet metal, windows, outside lights, paneling and a light inside. About 3 ft. tall, so it comes above the truck's cab. And you could put it on supports and park a bike under it (obligatory MC content). I live in Falls Church, about 10 mi. west of DC. Chris Norloff day (202)863-2680 x225 eve (703)534-1510 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 09:23:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07601 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15787 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12128 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Sep 18 08:23 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA24999 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:23:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDE2E5.ED7AFB50@XXXXXX>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Design of MC engines Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:22:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know . . . Why inline 2 cyl MC engines, like the EX500, are designed so that both pistons go up and down and fire at the same time? Why not 90 degrees apart? How about 4 cyl inlines? Why not 180 or 360 degrees apart like the VFR? Is it cost or is a V4 inherently different? John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 09:29:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07688 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15870 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12248 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id GAA26016 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 06:29:08 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 06:29:08 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A9294@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Non-moto (but I can't help myself) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 06:31:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" With the release of the Starr Report, the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta wish to state that this is more proof that you can get sex from aides. I'll go quietly now... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 09:30:50 1998 Return-Path: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07932 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:30:47 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA22729 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:30:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199809181330.JAA22729@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:30:38 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:30:38 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:30:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 9:25:58 -0400 Subject: RE: Speaking of voting..(Non-MC, but people from CAMS should be i nterested!!!) To: merscht@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F13@RBMAIL103> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME how about: "All Democrats are squids.." there..I said it and I feel good about it.. ;-) -aki > Yippee! I feel a thread coming on! > > What? A new tax? In a good, conservative, Republican, "we don't like taxes" > state like VA? > > Quick!, trot out the comparisons between income taxes and personal property > / sales taxes, and relate them to democrats and republicans, to liberals > and conservatives, to md and va, to the moral-high-grounders and the rest of > us. > > What other conspiratorial stuff can we do? > > Tune in next time.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [SMTP:Eternity23@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:09 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Speaking of voting..(Non-MC, but people from CAMS should be > > interested!!!) > > > > For any and all of those who might think this inappropriate, consider me > > rebuked in advance, but just wanted to let the applicable people know > > about > > this. For those folks living in Loudoun, the Board of Stupo-visors is > > considering a meal tax, which would invoke an additional 4% tax on all > > 'prepared meals' in the county. This tax is not exclusive to restauraunts > > and > > includes many of the general stores and small grocery shops in > > western/rural > > Loudoun. As a waiter, (and a concerned citizen), my stand is against, but > > I'll > > not give a full spiel (sp?) here; if anyone wants information on this > > contact > > me. My email address should be stashed at the top somewhere. Thanks folks, > > and > > have a good one. > > > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 09:42:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08474 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16024 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12640 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26816; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:42:41 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197961@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Design of MC engines Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:42:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'll have to doublecheck my owners manual, but i'm pretty sure the EX doesn't fire all at once.... As for the inline 4's, various bikes have different orders (the older ones), but most modern ones fire the 1 and 4 cylinders at one time then 2 and 3 together... > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 9:33 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Design of MC engines > > Anyone know . . . > > Why inline 2 cyl MC engines, like the EX500, are designed so that both > pistons go up and down and fire at the same time? Why not 90 degrees > apart? How about 4 cyl inlines? Why not 180 or 360 degrees apart like > the VFR? Is it cost or is a V4 inherently different? > > John Carver > '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 10:00:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09053 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16250 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13063 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-37kbm23.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.216.67]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24857; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980918095800.006e1998@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:58:00 -0400 To: Running Cloud , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Tires In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19980918085117.0079a350@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I used to use those things on my BMX bikes back when I was a kid... but on a motorcycle?? I'd stick to the better brands. -Tom At 08:51 AM 9/18/98 -0400, Running Cloud wrote: >Has anyone had any experience with Kenda tires? > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 10:11:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09455 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16461 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13605 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:12:24 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:11:50 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire changer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hey guys, I was just browsing MC Onlines classifieds and saw something = interesting. A motorcycle shop service department is selling all their = equipment for $5000. Think they might have a tire changer? They're = located in Hagerstown. =20 The classifieds website is www.motorcycle.com/mo/classifies/newne.html. The listing was posted on Monday 9/14/98 by cbanks@XXXXXX. Thought = whoever was looking into the tire changer might be interested. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 10:20:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09956 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16600 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13914 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-179.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.179]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA30666; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:22:19 -0400 Message-ID: <36026C1C.57E056F@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:20:12 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Design of MC engines References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197961@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kawasaki EX motors have 180 degree cranks. Honda CB twins have 360 degree cranks. This makes it look like Kawasaki uses 1-2 of a four cylinder motor, Honda uses 2-3 assuming a standard inline 4 cylinder motor. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > I'll have to doublecheck my owners manual, but i'm pretty sure the EX > doesn't fire all at once.... > > As for the inline 4's, various bikes have different orders (the older ones), > but most modern ones fire the 1 and 4 cylinders at one time then 2 and 3 > together... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 9:33 AM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Design of MC engines > > > > Anyone know . . . > > > > Why inline 2 cyl MC engines, like the EX500, are designed so that both > > pistons go up and down and fire at the same time? Why not 90 degrees > > apart? How about 4 cyl inlines? Why not 180 or 360 degrees apart like > > the VFR? Is it cost or is a V4 inherently different? > > > > John Carver > > '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 10:23:12 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from mail.martinagency.com (mail.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10001 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:20:12 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:23:12 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anger revisited.. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I vote for DWC; Driving While Clueless. I'm sure we've all been there. Not as bad as the crime of DWI, but you could still tell the "morning after" stories: "Man, I shouldn't have been driving last night, I was completely clueless." Joe (usually DWC when in DC) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 10:30:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10426 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16763 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14308 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:31:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:31:38 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX Subject: Bike for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sorry for the post to the list, but I thought someone out there might be = interested. My brother-in-laws father owns a Harley shop in Virginia and = had someone trade him a 94 Yamaha FZR 600 for a harley. Why, I'll never = know. Anyway, he's had it in his shop for a couple months and no one = seems interested. He asked me to post it on the net and ask around. So = I'm asking. =20 Here are the details. 94 Yamaha FZR600. Dark metallic blue/purple/yellow, 7k mi., V&H exhaust, = LP Purple windshield, Spartan tankbag, Gorilla alarm system, matching HJC = helmet L. Like new, must see. Asking $3950/OBO. Call J.B. @ 703-594-2637 = VA. It's now sitting at my sisters house and it is beautiful. It almost looks = black with a purple and yellow stripe, instead of blue. That's how dark = it is. Purple rims too. Very sharp. If you're interested, or know someone who might be, give him a call and = mention my name, Scott. Who knows, I might get something out of the deal = for my troubles. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 10:34:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10716 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16823 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known gw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14535 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:31:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:34:16 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dagoe@XXXXXX Subject: Tires -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline They're probably one notch below Cheng Shin for brand cachet, but I've put Kendas on small bikes and they're fine for average street riding. Also good to put on a bike you're trying to sell, most guys will see "new tires," not what brand. Joe >>> Running Cloud - 9/18/98 8:51 AM >>> Has anyone had any experience with Kenda tires? From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 11:07:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12060 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17309 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15555 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA32549; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980918150617.IGZF31405@XXXXXX>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:06:17 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: RE: Tires -Reply Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:05:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bde315$cda67ae0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Hey, hey, hey now, Don't you say bad things about Cheng Shin. :) I used Cheng Shin on my Shadow VT500c for the last 15k miles of ownership. Pretty sticky and wear very well. And best of all, I could get a set for under $100! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY > They're probably one notch below Cheng Shin for brand cachet, but I've > put Kendas on small bikes and they're fine for average street riding. > Also good to put on a bike you're trying to sell, most guys will see > "new tires," not what brand. > > Joe > > >>> Running Cloud - 9/18/98 8:51 AM >>> > Has anyone had any experience with Kenda tires? > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 11:07:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12063 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17312 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15561 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA23214; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980918150614.IGYV31405@XXXXXX>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:06:14 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "SCOTT Rush" , Subject: RE: Tire changer Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bde315$cbf39ac0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: I called the guy, and he's not interested in piecing out his shop. He has a manual tire changer built by Performance Machine Supply and swears it will remove and replace a tire (on any make) in under 5-min. The best thing about it so far is the cost, $700 new. Now THAT I think we can all swing. I'll look into it. If anyone is interested in starting their own shop, give Chuck a call: Motorcycle Shop Equipment mailto:cbanks@XXXXXX Mon Sep 14 12:39:42 PDT 1998 Complete Suzuki/Kawasaki Service Department. Everything needed to start your own shop. Too much to list here. All for $5000.00 Located in Hagerstown Maryland. (301) 745-5133 eves, (301) 428-5562 days he is sending me a list of tools for sale. I'll post it when I get it. Nice find Scott Rush! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush [mailto:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 10:12 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Tire changer > > > Hey guys, I was just browsing MC Onlines classifieds and saw > something interesting. A motorcycle shop service department is > selling all their equipment for $5000. Think they might have a > tire changer? They're located in Hagerstown. > > The classifieds website is www.motorcycle.com/mo/classifies/newne.html. > > The listing was posted on Monday 9/14/98 by cbanks@XXXXXX. > Thought whoever was looking into the tire changer might be interested. > > Scooter > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 11:12:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12159 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17410 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15887 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01783; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:12:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" cc: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Design of MC engines In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197961@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... I've heard that having two cylinders punch at once is done to make the drive at the rear wheel more powerful. The idea is that instead of smooth power, which offers little or no warning before breaking away, you get pulsing power, which would slip and then grab again. Kind of like anti-lock brakes but for acceleration instead of deceleration. On the other hand, I could be completely out to lunch on this one... -ph On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > I'll have to doublecheck my owners manual, but i'm pretty sure the EX > doesn't fire all at once.... > > As for the inline 4's, various bikes have different orders (the older ones), > but most modern ones fire the 1 and 4 cylinders at one time then 2 and 3 > together... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 9:33 AM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Design of MC engines > > > > Anyone know . . . > > > > Why inline 2 cyl MC engines, like the EX500, are designed so that both > > pistons go up and down and fire at the same time? Why not 90 degrees > > apart? How about 4 cyl inlines? Why not 180 or 360 degrees apart like > > the VFR? Is it cost or is a V4 inherently different? > > > > John Carver > > '98 VFR > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 11:17:03 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12518 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25468; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980918151623.IJYM31405@XXXXXX>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:16:23 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bde317$3703f0c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: It's my understanding that you can be ticketed for driving while tired. I don't think that's the charge, but the symptoms (swerving, on/off gas/brakes) are close to that of DWI, and a lot of people die each year because someone fell asleep behind the wheel. Leon? Chris? Know of any laws related to this? T > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY > > I vote for DWC; Driving While Clueless. I'm sure we've all been there. > Not as bad as the crime of DWI, but you could still tell the "morning > after" stories: "Man, I shouldn't have been driving last night, I was > completely clueless." > > Joe > (usually DWC when in DC) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 11:33:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13045 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17679 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16614 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:34:49 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:34:29 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Tire changer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I think Todd meant this for the whole list. Scooter >>> "Todd Peer" 09/18/98 11:05AM >>> I called the guy, and he's not interested in piecing out his shop. He has a manual tire changer built by Performance Machine Supply and = swears it will remove and replace a tire (on any make) in under 5-min. The best thing about it so far is the cost, $700 new. Now THAT I think we can all swing. I'll look into it. If anyone is interested in starting their own shop, give Chuck a call: Motorcycle Shop Equipment mailto:cbanks@XXXXXX Mon Sep 14 12:39:42 PDT = 1998 Complete Suzuki/Kawasaki Service Department. Everything needed to start = your own shop. Too much to list here. All for $5000.00 Located in Hagerstown Maryland. (301) 745-5133 eves, (301) 428-5562 days he is sending me a list of tools for sale. I'll post it when I get it. Nice find Scott Rush! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush [mailto:SRUSH@XXXXXX]=20 > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 10:12 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 > Subject: Tire changer > > > Hey guys, I was just browsing MC Onlines classifieds and saw > something interesting. A motorcycle shop service department is > selling all their equipment for $5000. Think they might have a > tire changer? They're located in Hagerstown. > > The classifieds website is www.motorcycle.com/mo/classifies/newne.html. > > The listing was posted on Monday 9/14/98 by cbanks@XXXXXX. > Thought whoever was looking into the tire changer might be interested. > > Scooter > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 11:42:39 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL ([199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13510 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:41:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX, "'Todd Peer'" Subject: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:41:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I hear some states are calling this Driving While Impaired. Originally enacted to nab drinking drivers who haven't quite surpassed the legal blood-alcohol limit, but didn't need that much alcohol to affect their driving. Other types of driving problems, such as tiredness, are being interpreted as such. I know it happened at least once in North Carolina. > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 11:15 AM > To: JOE NAGY; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; sdave@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply > > > It's my understanding that you can be ticketed for driving while tired. I > don't think that's the charge, but the symptoms (swerving, on/off > gas/brakes) are close to that of DWI, and a lot of people die each year > because someone fell asleep behind the wheel. > > Leon? Chris? Know of any laws related to this? > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JOE NAGY > > > I vote for DWC; Driving While Clueless. I'm sure we've all been there. > > Not as bad as the crime of DWI, but you could still tell the "morning > > after" stories: "Man, I shouldn't have been driving last night, I was > > completely clueless." > > > > Joe > > (usually DWC when in DC) > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 11:50:18 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13954 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:51:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:51:00 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline OK, I've asked a couple people here at my law firm. The concensus is that = it might be considered DWAI, Driving While Ability Impaired. That the = closest thing it would fall under and it is legal. Scooter >>> "Todd Peer" 09/18/98 11:15AM >>> It's my understanding that you can be ticketed for driving while tired. I don't think that's the charge, but the symptoms (swerving, on/off gas/brakes) are close to that of DWI, and a lot of people die each year because someone fell asleep behind the wheel. Leon? Chris? Know of any laws related to this? T > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY > > I vote for DWC; Driving While Clueless. I'm sure we've all been there. > Not as bad as the crime of DWI, but you could still tell the "morning > after" stories: "Man, I shouldn't have been driving last night, I was > completely clueless." > > Joe > (usually DWC when in DC) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 11:52:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13984 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17989 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17457 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA03293; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:51:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980918155116.IUPT31405@XXXXXX>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:51:16 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Peter Hartzler" , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Cc: "'Carver, John'" , Subject: RE: Design of MC engines Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bde31c$15faf680$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: The crank on the EX is 180 degree. Each piston compresses separately. I've never heard of the set up where both pistons compressed together as a design consideration. What you'd have then would be a double-thumper :) Todd Peter Hartzler wrote: > Hmmm... > > I've heard that having two cylinders punch at once is done to make the > drive at the rear wheel more powerful. The idea is that instead of smooth > power, which offers little or no warning before breaking away, you get > pulsing power, which would slip and then grab again. Kind of like > anti-lock brakes but for acceleration instead of deceleration. > > On the other hand, I could be completely out to lunch on this one... > > -ph > > On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > > I'll have to doublecheck my owners manual, but i'm pretty sure the EX > > doesn't fire all at once.... > > > > As for the inline 4's, various bikes have different orders (the > older ones), > > but most modern ones fire the 1 and 4 cylinders at one time then 2 and 3 > > together... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 9:33 AM > > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > > Subject: Design of MC engines > > > > > > Anyone know . . . > > > > > > Why inline 2 cyl MC engines, like the EX500, are designed so > that both > > > pistons go up and down and fire at the same time? Why not 90 degrees > > > apart? How about 4 cyl inlines? Why not 180 or 360 degrees > apart like > > > the VFR? Is it cost or is a V4 inherently different? > > > > > > John Carver > > > '98 VFR > > > > --- > Peter Hartzler > Systems Analysis > Ellsworth Associates, Inc. > ph@XXXXXX > (703) 821-3090 x 252 > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 11:57:41 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14105 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA08746 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980918155655.IWGN31405@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:56:55 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: List of tools Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bde31c$e07fc020$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDE2FB.596E2020" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDE2FB.596E2020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here it is. Kawa/Suzi fans that want to set up a shop, this looks like a pretty good deal. Todd -----Original Message----- From: cbanks@XXXXXX [mailto:cbanks@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 11:45 AM To: Todd Peer Subject: Re: List of tools Here you go. Look it over. It really is a good deal for anyone that wants to run a shop. (See attached file: ShopEquipment.xls) Chuck To: Chuck Banks/HNS cc: From: Todd Peer Date: 09/18/98 02:51:43 PM GMT Subject: List of tools SMTP Headers: Headers Hi Chuck, Go ahead and send me your list of equipment. Like I said, I'm not interested in setting up a shop, but am interested in what you have in case you might want to peice it out. 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<36022FC6.AD37D417@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:02:47 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anger revisited.. -Reply X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <001501bde317$3703f0c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Virginia has a law that says it's illegal to drive for more than 13? consecutive hours. I've never heard of anyone who's been cited for that. Sounds like reckless driving would be the appropriate charge. Leon. Todd Peer wrote: > It's my understanding that you can be ticketed for driving while > tired. I > don't think that's the charge, but the symptoms (swerving, on/off > gas/brakes) are close to that of DWI, and a lot of people die each > year > because someone fell asleep behind the wheel. > > Leon? Chris? Know of any laws related to this? > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JOE NAGY > > > I vote for DWC; Driving While Clueless. I'm sure we've all been > there. > > Not as bad as the crime of DWI, but you could still tell the > "morning > > after" stories: "Man, I shouldn't have been driving last night, I > was > > completely clueless." > > > > Joe > > (usually DWC when in DC) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 12:06:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14598 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18214 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17922 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 392; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:05:13 -0400 Message-ID: <36028484.EFD4228C@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:04:20 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: SCOTT Rush , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire changer References: <001201bde315$cbf39ac0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > I called the guy, and he's not interested in piecing out his shop. > > He has a manual tire changer built by Performance Machine Supply and swears > it will remove and replace a tire (on any make) in under 5-min. The best > thing about it so far is the cost, $700 new. Now THAT I think we can all > swing. I'll look into it. > > > Nice find Scott Rush! I'll second that! Way to go Scooter! Horkster (who may still be in this game after all...) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 12:09:32 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14936 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 209; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:08:37 -0400 Message-ID: <360285AB.1322D886@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:09:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anger revisited..Cell Phones References: <001501bde317$3703f0c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > It's my understanding that you can be ticketed for driving while > tired. but the symptoms (swerving, on/off > gas/brakes) are close to that of DWI, Pretty damn close too to an idjit driving around while on a cell phone. They should outlaw those damn things in a moving vehicle. Even the hands-free models take away too much of a driver's concentration. Funny, though, as I was typing this, I thought "what about CB radios in cages?" they don't seem to cause as much of a driver distraction, for some reason. I know they aren't as common in cars anymore, but still, they don't seem to be as intrusive somehow. Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 12:10:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14954 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18295 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18071 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:12:13 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:11:56 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire changer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thank you. Thank you. Scooter (Bowing graciously as I leave the stage. oooops. trip. fall. = CRASH. :-) ) >>> Dale Horstman 09/18/98 12:04PM >>> Todd Peer wrote: >=20 > I called the guy, and he's not interested in piecing out his shop. >=20 > He has a manual tire changer built by Performance Machine Supply and = swears > it will remove and replace a tire (on any make) in under 5-min. The = best > thing about it so far is the cost, $700 new. Now THAT I think we can = all > swing. I'll look into it. >=20 > > Nice find Scott Rush! I'll second that! Way to go Scooter!=20 Horkster (who may still be in this game after all...) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here=20 Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" =20 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 12:14:44 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15057 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:14:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX, "'SCOTT Rush'" Subject: RE: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:14:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, what he said. > ---------- > From: SCOTT Rush[SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 11:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; NAGYJ@XXXXXX; > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; sdave@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply > > OK, I've asked a couple people here at my law firm. The concensus is that > it might be considered DWAI, Driving While Ability Impaired. That the > closest thing it would fall under and it is legal. > > Scooter > > >>> "Todd Peer" 09/18/98 11:15AM >>> > > It's my understanding that you can be ticketed for driving while tired. I > don't think that's the charge, but the symptoms (swerving, on/off > gas/brakes) are close to that of DWI, and a lot of people die each year > because someone fell asleep behind the wheel. > > Leon? Chris? Know of any laws related to this? > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JOE NAGY > > > I vote for DWC; Driving While Clueless. I'm sure we've all been there. > > Not as bad as the crime of DWI, but you could still tell the "morning > > after" stories: "Man, I shouldn't have been driving last night, I was > > completely clueless." > > > > Joe > > (usually DWC when in DC) > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 12:18:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15145 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18405 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18343 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:19:49 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:19:12 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, HolmesM@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Again, meant for the list. And thanks for the support Mitch. Scooter >>> "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" 09/18/98 12:14PM = >>> Yeah, what he said. > ---------- > From: SCOTT Rush[SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX]=20 > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 11:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; NAGYJ@XXXXXX; > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX; sdave@XXXXXX=20 > Subject: Re: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply >=20 > OK, I've asked a couple people here at my law firm. The concensus is = that > it might be considered DWAI, Driving While Ability Impaired. That the > closest thing it would fall under and it is legal. >=20 > Scooter >=20 > >>> "Todd Peer" 09/18/98 11:15AM >>> >=20 > It's my understanding that you can be ticketed for driving while tired. = I > don't think that's the charge, but the symptoms (swerving, on/off > gas/brakes) are close to that of DWI, and a lot of people die each year > because someone fell asleep behind the wheel. >=20 > Leon? Chris? Know of any laws related to this? >=20 > T >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JOE NAGY > > > I vote for DWC; Driving While Clueless. I'm sure we've all been = there. > > Not as bad as the crime of DWI, but you could still tell the "morning > > after" stories: "Man, I shouldn't have been driving last night, I was > > completely clueless." > > > > Joe > > (usually DWC when in DC) > > >=20 >=20 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 12:24:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15529 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18494 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18619 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05635; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:22:25 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197965@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Peter Hartzler Cc: "'Carver, John'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Design of MC engines Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:22:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, the world GP bikes have various firing orders depending on preferences. Doohan has been a big fan of the "Big Bang" engine in the past, but with the new fuel ruels he's gone back to the smoother motor. Brian will have to help me on this one. I'm not sure if the "Big Bang" motor fires all 4 at once, or 2 at once. And I'm not sure if the normal motors fire 2 at once or a more linear sequence... CT > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Subject: RE: Design of MC engines > > > > I've never heard of the set up where both pistons compressed together as a > design consideration. What you'd have then would be a double-thumper :) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 12:46:05 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16515 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id JAA25538 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:45:50 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:45:50 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A92F8@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: anger revisited..Cell Phones Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:48:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Pretty damn close too to an idjit driving around while on > a cell phone. They should outlaw those damn things in a > moving vehicle. Even the hands-free models take away too > much of a driver's concentration. Just about as much as talking to someone in the car - bottom line is that ANYTHING that distracts one from the task at hand (such as guiding 2 tons of mass at high velocity down a narrow strip of road) tends to increase the probability of an oopsie. This is a revelation?? > Funny, though, as I was typing this, I thought "what about > CB radios in cages?" they don't seem to cause as much of > a driver distraction, for some reason. CBs weren't as pervasive as cellular phones are, and the conversations tended to be MUCH shorter. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 13:12:40 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17756 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809181712.NAA17756@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A48038001F4; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:12:32 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:11:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: anger revisited..Cell Phones In-Reply-To: <360285AB.1322D886@tidalwave.net> References: <001501bde317$3703f0c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:09 PM 9/18/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Funny, though, as I was typing this, I thought "what about >CB radios in cages?" they don't seem to cause as much of >a driver distraction, for some reason. I know they aren't >as common in cars anymore, but still, they don't seem to >be as intrusive somehow. I've read several studies that showed no decrement in driving ability during a cellphone call. Driving ability was measured in steering wheel movements and deviation from the center of the lane. The fatal flaw in these studies, in my opinion, is that they used a hands-free cellphone. This destroys the external validity (validity to real life) since most people use hand-held cellphones. I haven't reviewed that study that reported cellphone users increased their risk as much as drunk drivers do. My opinion is that people "tune out" their environment when they put a phone up to their ear. In a home or office or payphone beside the road, the phone user must ignore the environment in order to converse. There may also be a factor in not turning your head enough because you must keep the phone to your ear to maintain the conversation, and if you look over your shoulder (like for a lane change) it can be quite awkward to keep the phone in place. Several years ago, Maryland tried to ban hand-held cellphones in cars by requiring both hands on the steering wheel, but this would have outlawed other things like tuning the radio or rolling down the window. For the time being, about all we riders can do is to check the drivers head for a cellphone, keep a space cushion, don't stay beside cars, and get a LOUD horn! honkingly yours, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 13:18:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17875 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19188 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.clark.net (known postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20459 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25778 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00466 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:20:19 -0400 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260365BF@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Design of MC engines Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:20:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain The Honda "big bang" fires all four at once. Dave Cross > I'm not sure if the "Big Bang" > motor fires all 4 at once, or 2 at once. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 13:29:18 1998 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from oak.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18320 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02655; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:29:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:29:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anger revisited..Cell Phones In-Reply-To: <199809181712.NAA17756@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm.... [snippage] > I've read several studies that showed no decrement in driving ability > during a cellphone call. Driving ability was measured in steering wheel > movements and deviation from the center of the lane. This is a pretty lame measure of driving ability. It's a moderately simple first year engineering project to develop a robot that can do this simple task perfectly. The true ability is reflected by how the driver reacts to unexpected stuff... -ph From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 13:32:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18420 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19373 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (known uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20939 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager [206.173.119.82]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id NAA12930; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:32:10 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id NAA13944; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:32:10 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Design of MC engines In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197961@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > I'll have to doublecheck my owners manual, but i'm pretty sure the EX > doesn't fire all at once.... > > As for the inline 4's, various bikes have different orders (the older ones), > but most modern ones fire the 1 and 4 cylinders at one time then 2 and 3 > together... > My ZR750 (inline 4) fires one cylinder at a time. While 1&4 and 2&3 go up and down together they don't fire at the same time. This means that one cylinder is firing on every stroke. I would think that this would be the standard arrangement for all 4s inline or v. Hugh A. Caldwell From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 13:38:13 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18864 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09764 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197966@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:39:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, so I'm a hick... I still keep at least one in the vehicles.. I think they are a bit less intrusive than a cell phone for reasons similar to those already mentioned. First, the conversations are generally short informational type conversations. Second, incoming is over a speaker rather than being held up to your ear. And third, when I go to talk, I don't have to fumble around or look at the mic to press the "on" or "answer" button. I know exactly where the mic is without ever having to take my eyes from the road, and the mic button is naturally accesible when holding it. I say my short piece then set it back in my lap or in its holder...Much less fo a distraction than trying to hold a cellphone to the head. I have nothing against receiving a call on a hands free cellphone, so long as the driver can hit "answer" without having to look at the thing... Making a call, on the other hand, should be done from the side of the road. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 13:45:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19340 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19577 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com (known gw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21642 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:42:40 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:45:22 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: ph@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Design of MC engines -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I thought Doohan prefered the "screamer," Though the Big Bang was easier for the less-skilled/brave to ride. Team Harley's Bill Werner sometimes goes to a "twingle" configuration on Parker's XR750 at certain tracks. Both cylinders fire at the same time, so it's like a big single: BOOM----BOOM----BOOM vs. boom boom boom boom boom Joe >>> "Fagan, Collin LTJG" - 9/18/98 12:22 PM >>> Actually, the world GP bikes have various firing orders depending on preferences. Doohan has been a big fan of the "Big Bang" engine in the past, but with the new fuel ruels he's gone back to the smoother motor. Brian will have to help me on this one. I'm not sure if the "Big Bang" motor fires all 4 at once, or 2 at once. And I'm not sure if the normal motors fire 2 at once or a more linear sequence... CT > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Subject: RE: Design of MC engines > > > > I've never heard of the set up where both pistons compressed together as a > design consideration. What you'd have then would be a double-thumper :) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 14:08:52 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from mail.martinagency.com (gw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20294 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:05:39 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:02:37 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline In Minnesota, it was DWI=Driving While Intoxicated=DUI here. They also had an "impairment" standard in case you blew less than 0.1, but I can't remember what they called it. >>> "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" - 9/18/98 11:41 AM >>> I hear some states are calling this Driving While Impaired. Originally enacted to nab drinking drivers who haven't quite surpassed the legal blood-alcohol limit, but didn't need that much alcohol to affect their driving. Other types of driving problems, such as tiredness, are being interpreted as such. I know it happened at least once in North Carolina. > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 11:15 AM > To: JOE NAGY; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; sdave@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: anger revisited.. -Reply > > > It's my understanding that you can be ticketed for driving while tired. I > don't think that's the charge, but the symptoms (swerving, on/off > gas/brakes) are close to that of DWI, and a lot of people die each year > because someone fell asleep behind the wheel. > > Leon? Chris? Know of any laws related to this? > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JOE NAGY > > > I vote for DWC; Driving While Clueless. I'm sure we've all been there. > > Not as bad as the crime of DWI, but you could still tell the "morning > > after" stories: "Man, I shouldn't have been driving last night, I was > > completely clueless." > > > > Joe > > (usually DWC when in DC) > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 14:38:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21788 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20564 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23705 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-179.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.179]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA05339; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3602A895.FC308BD@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:38:13 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Cross CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Design of MC engines References: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260365BF@bdanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Cross wrote: > > The Honda "big bang" fires all four at once. > I thought that the "Big Bang" motor was a 2 stroke V-4. Normally V-motors have two cylinders on a common crank journal. This would put the front and rear cylinders about 90 or so degrees apart. Do they fire all at once (seems unlikely) or just all within about 90 degrees of crank rotation? -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 15:42:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24725 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21547 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28738 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:42:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 9FDFa19214; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2cdd2517.3602b779@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:41:45 EDT To: ph@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Design of MC engines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/18/98 11:19:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: << I've heard that having two cylinders punch at once is done to make the drive at the rear wheel more powerful. >> I think that British Twins actually fire alternatively and the Japanese Vertical twins fire togther but I can't be sure if it is the other way around. I think I am right because if the British Twins fired each cylinder together they would not need two sets of points. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 16:04:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25717 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21948 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29954 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:04:01 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WLFKa07909 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13d6641a.3602bc74@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:03:00 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Design of MC engines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/18/98 3:50:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: << I think that British Twins actually fire alternatively and the Japanese Vertical twins fire togther but I can't be sure if it is the other way around. I think I am right because if the British Twins fired each cylinder together they would not need two sets of points. >> I can tell you from my now vast cam timing experience, Japanese twins (i.e. my TL) fire alternately.....the rear cylinder is 270 degrees behind the front Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 16:19:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26311 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22168 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00575 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:18:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WQGNa07909; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:18:17 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Design of MC engines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/18/98 4:09:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << I can tell you from my now vast cam timing experience, Japanese twins (i.e. my TL) fire alternately.....the rear cylinder is 270 degrees behind the front >> I am talking about vertical twins, there may be a difference. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 17:05:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28598 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22827 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.hazmat.com (known [207.226.52.193] [207.226.52.193]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03064 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by gateway.hazmat.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA28705; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:04:10 -0400 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199809182104.RAA28705@gateway.hazmat.com> Subject: Re: Design of MC engines To: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Boiade@aol.com" at Sep 18, 98 04:18:17 pm Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > In a message dated 9/18/98 4:09:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX > writes: > > << I can tell you from my now vast cam timing experience, Japanese twins (i.e. > my > TL) fire alternately.....the rear cylinder is 270 degrees behind the front >> > I am talking about vertical twins, there may be a difference. > > Ciao, > > Fred Yep, there is a difference. Paralell twins (4 stroke that is) usually have both pistons going up and down at the same time. To evenly space out the power, they are usually designed for each piston to fire 180 degrees apart in the crank rotation. This leaves one piston at the top of the exhaust stroke while the other piston is at the top of the compression stroke. The spark must fire when the piston is at the top of the compression stroke, and often the other spark plug fires anyway. There are a bunch of reasons why this "dead cylinder" firing is used. First and foremost- using this arrangement you only need one coil and one crankshaft pickup. On traditional automotive coils, one end of the high voltage connection is connected to ground. In this application, that end is not connected to ground, it is connected to the other spark-plug. This will cause a positive going spark at one plug and a negative going spark at the other. This leads to fewer parts and less cost to manufacture. (quick note: fancy platinum electrode spark plugs only work when the electrode is more negative. The platinum prevents the metal migration away from the electrode. When a normal platinum plug is used when the electode is positively charged, the ground tab- the thingy that sticks up from the egde- is more negative and hence will wear. There are special plugs that have platinum on both the ground and the center electrode. These are quite uncommon and very expensive plugs. Not your normal Trak-Auto/Pep Boys spark plug. In short, if you have 2x more spark plugs than you have spark coils, save your money and don't buy platinum plugs [unless they are the "special" kind of platinum plugs], in this case the platinum plugs will only help out on half of your cylinders. This also is evident on cars with distributorless ignition. I own a Miata, which is a 4 cylinder, with 2 coils. Pistons 1 and 4 travel in sync and 2 and 3 travel 180 degrees out of phase with 1 and 4. When I change the plugs, it is quite evident that "normal" platinum plugs would do no good, because the plugs on 2 cylinders end up with perfect looking electrodes, and the electrodes are trashed on the others.) Just for kicks, lets say you did not want to fire both plugs at the same time, and you only want the plug to fire when it is at the top of the compression stroke. No problem, but now you have to figure out a way to fire the plug once for every two rotations of the crankshaft. You would have to use some gearing to reduce the crankshaft speed by 2, (This is probably already done by your camshaft gearing). Plus you would now need 2 coils, 2 pickups. All this adds weight, complexity, and more opportunites for engine breakdown. Though the pistons travel up and down at the same time, the camshaft gearing is what makes them operate 180 degrees apart. I've never heard of a paralell twin with both pistons operating in sync- you would essentially have a thumper with greater engine losses due to the much longer ring-cylinder wall contact length. In a paralell twin 2 stroke, the pistons travel 180 degrees out of sync (one is going up when the other is coming down). There must be two pickups and 2 coils. Big bang engines don't quite have all the cylinders firing at once. I think the definition is that they all fire within 90 degrees, though I have heard of much smaller angles. On a dyno they are down in horsepower, but they usually manage to have better lap-times because the engine's power pulse all comes at once to only have the rear tire break traction for a teensy bit of time once per engine revolution. More information than you probably wanted or needed, but what the heck. Matt Bennett mjb@XXXXXX (5 bikes: 1 thumper, 1 V-twin, 2 paralell twins, 1 opposed twin) http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ P.S. is it really paralell? I can say it, but I'm not sure if I can spell it. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 19:46:51 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05534 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p43.sas1.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.43]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09398 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:46:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3602EF4A.1C09@flash.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:39:54 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197966@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When was the last time anyone heard an "intelligent" CB conversation? I listen to mine for entertainment while driving. As far as receiving cellphone calls while driving being OK, but not dialing out, I must disagree with LTJG Fagan. Good driving takes concentrated effort. Driving is not so much a mechancial function as it is (or ought to be) a thinking process. The physical inputs required to steer a car come from the decisions made by the driver. Peter Hartzler's posting implied this; I'm just stating it directly. That's why a robot can be programmed to steer a car; a human (not engaged in thoughtful conversation) is needed to drive one. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 20:01:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06054 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24754 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07709 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA11913; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:00:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Boiade@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Design of MC engines In-Reply-To: <2cdd2517.3602b779@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/18/98 11:19:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ph@XXXXXX > writes: > > << I've heard that having two cylinders punch at once is done to make the > drive at the rear wheel more powerful. >> > I think that British Twins actually fire alternatively and the Japanese > Vertical twins fire togther but I can't be sure if it is the other way around. > I think I am right because if the British Twins fired each cylinder together > they would not need two sets of points. Naaahh, those old Brit bikes were just firing intermittently; they used 2 sets of Joseph "Prince of Darkness" Lucas points to improve the odds that one would be working at any given time. ;-) --garcia "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." --Yogi Berra From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 20:06:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06409 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24957 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07785 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id GLZDa22052; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:04:54 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e8fa86f.3602f526@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:04:54 EDT To: garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Design of MC engines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/18/98 8:01:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: << Naaahh, those old Brit bikes were just firing intermittently; they used 2 sets of Joseph "Prince of Darkness" Lucas points to improve the odds that one would be working at any given time. ;-) >> You are probably right, but they also have two coils. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 18 20:10:20 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06432 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:10:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FVLDa17798; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:06:30 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1befd46f.3602f586@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:06:30 EDT To: leerider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/18/98 7:58:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, leerider@XXXXXX writes: << Good driving takes concentrated effort. >> It is illegal to use a cellphone while driving in Europe for that reason. At 160 KPH plus it is dangerous to dial out even though i do it. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 00:37:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17590 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28868 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11462 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:37:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WSQVa02116 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:36:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: DUI vs. DWI - In Va. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 I was told the other day that DUI and DWI are two separate charges; driving under the influence, (the lesser of two, or so I was told), is just what it says. Doesn't mean you're legally drunk, just means you've been drinking. The nasty one is Driving while intoxicated, and means you ARE legally drunk and then bad things happen. No confirmation, though. Anyone care to shed some light on the subject? -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 01:59:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA20635 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29626 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12472 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.50]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:56:30 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Design of MC engines Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:55:59 -0400 Message-ID: <003801bde392$2d09f6c0$640000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <7e8fa86f.3602f526@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 That's so you'll always have a spare. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 8:05 PM > To: garicao@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Design of MC engines > > > In a message dated 9/18/98 8:01:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > garicao@XXXXXX writes: > > << Naaahh, those old Brit bikes were just firing intermittently; > they used > 2 sets of Joseph "Prince of Darkness" Lucas points to improve > the odds that > one would be working at any given time. ;-) > >> > You are probably right, but they also have two coils. > > Ciao, > > fred > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 02:45:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23228 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00330 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA13038 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:45:16 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WSBFa20415 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:44:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DUI vs. DWI - In Va. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-09-19 00:43:41 EDT, you write: << I was told the other day that DUI and DWI are two separate charges; driving under the influence, (the lesser of two, or so I was told), is just what it says. Doesn't mean you're legally drunk, just means you've been drinking. The nasty one is Driving while intoxicated, and means you ARE legally drunk and then bad things happen. No confirmation, though. Anyone care to shed some light on the subject? >> As having previously been the unfortunate "victim" (donning flame suit) of a DWI I can say that in Virginia there is no distinction between a DUI and DWI. The charges are one and the same. The only difference bein whether you were legally drunk or not (.08 blood alcohol content). The punishments are worse if its a legally drunk driver. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 06:45:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05319 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02395 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14611 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WUDMa01876; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <77154e94.36038b0b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:44:27 EDT To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DUI vs. DWI - In Va. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/19/98 12:43:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: << No confirmation, though. Anyone care to shed some light on the subject? >> You still get arrested for DUI I believe. Ciao Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 06:49:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05601 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02428 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14646 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:49:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7CIJa13872; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 06:48:01 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Design of MC engines Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/19/98 1:59:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << That's so you'll always have a spare. >> I see. But since the points sit on the cam (with only one bump as I recall) at 180 degree spacing, I guess it doesn't matter when British bikes fire, the miracle is that they fire at all.LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 14:51:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25242 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06535 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20947 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WYLIa29193 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3c2cd79a.3603fcd2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:49:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Winter is coming... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 and I plan to ride! So, what do I need to do to get the bike ready? And when do I start? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 17:51:32 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02625 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA22908 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3604528C.7D9A@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:56:12 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Classified - FS XT600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gang, Found this on the vaforsale NG Don't ask me anythng about it ============================= Subject: FS: YAMAHA XT600 Date: 17 Sep 1998 11:12:29 GMT From: rt6953@XXXXXX (RT6953) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: va.forsale VERY Clean, LOW Mileage, Like New, YAMAHA XT600 On/Off Road Motorcycle 3,400 miles. $2,600 (804) 361-1474. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 18:23:10 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03863 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr17-dialup41.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EZJ00LBGY5KN6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:22:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:19:06 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Free CBR900RR To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000f01bde434$aba9b4a0$294737a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Yup, free 900RR. Here's your chance to win one. All you have to do is give this squid a call and smoke him. Check out his challenge: Jon >Now anyone that thinks there up to it I will lay my title down in exchange for yours. The track is Rt.211 (Skyline Dr. in VA).If you think us fancy bike riders are such pussys than lets set up a race. Its at night so if you happen to not be able to hold a turn as well as you think, lets just say you and your bike wont be found for a couple of months. My number is 703-435-9067 feel free to drop a line. ( I hate how every fag who owns a bike thinks they know how to use it, my time is spent on the track and you guys sit in your offfices sending messages with your comps. You think working behind a desk is hard, try racing and see how easy it is to have a life.) Now f--- off or pick up the phone and lets schedule an apointment. Mike Ogden From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 19:15:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06082 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09120 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25039 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:15:35 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WBOOa17800 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14d9b05c.36043adf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:14:39 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR - Collin? Want a new race bike? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Hey Collin, Id bet $100 that you could eat this loser with your Gixxer! I know you arent the type to go for this sorta thing but I think that 900RR would look nice on your trailer next to the Gixxer!!!! What do you think? Jack From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 19:20:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06161 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09182 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25127 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:20:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WGGOa19215 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:19:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Oooops.....can someone forward me that squid challenge? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I accidentally deleted it and there is another group that I would like to forward this to. Retards like this deserve to have their bikes taken. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 19:41:32 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06966 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EBWUa10655; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:40:40 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/19/98 6:35:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Now anyone that thinks there up to it I will lay my title down in exchange for yours. The track is Rt.211 (Skyline Dr. in VA).If you think us fancy bike riders are such pussys than lets set up a race. >> Well if he picks the track then there should be a handicap for someone that doesn't know it. At my age, I don't see well at night anyway so I'll have let some other lister win theCBR-900RR. Now from Patuxent River Road at Central Avenue to Governor's Bridge Road to Riva Road hmmmmmm. I do have room in my garage for another bike. The 9 (Blue Streak) may be up to it. By the way who called it a "Blue Streak" today, I like it even though I've never had a name for any of my bikes. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 20:00:29 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07872 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:00:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id EDHFa06218; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d193090.36044573@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:59:47 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/19/98 6:35:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Yup, free 900RR. Here's your chance to win one. All you have to do is give this squid a call and smoke him. Check out his challenge: >> By the way Jon, is he an acquaintance? If so, you should advise him that notwithstanding the fact that English is not my first language I detected numerous errors in grammar, syntax and spelling in his message. 1. "Now anyone that thinks there up to it" "there" should be "they are" or the contraction "they're". 2. "than lets set up a race." Two errors here "than" should be "then" and "lets" requires an apostrophe, i.e. "let's". 3. "hold a turn as well as you think, lets just say you and your bike wont be found " Well I won't quibble with "holding a turn" but it is more elegant to say "maintaining a line" but the chap continues to have problems with contractions, again "lets" and "wont" are incorrect. 4. " lets schedule an apointment" Again the contraction thing "lets". Just think if he had to write something longer than a paragraph. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 22:36:23 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA14247 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr49-dialup57.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EZK00LTY9VDLW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:35:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:32:14 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001a01bde458$070a1c40$394f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Fred wrote: >By the way Jon, is he an acquaintance? Hell no!!!!! He drops messages on the FZR list for some reason(just a prick?) and decided that he needed to challenge any and everyone with his "awesome" skill. I just thought that since he was in VA, some of our listers would gladly take a nice 900RR from a non-deserving assh*&l like himself and slap the arrogant piss out of him and knock some reality back into his pathetic self. Damn, I'd even give the challenger(winner) money just to see him walk home w/o his bike while we laugh uncontrollably and take turns "testing" the newly acquired prize out right in front of him. Jon From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 22:39:33 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA14257 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr49-dialup57.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EZK0018JA0ARE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:38:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:35:11 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Oooops.....can someone forward me that squid challenge? To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, DC Cycle Club Message-id: <003301bde458$70640520$394f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >I accidentally deleted it and there is another group that I would like to >forward this to. Retards like this deserve to have their bikes taken. > >Jack Here you go Jack........... p.s. how about your TL-S taking a run? Jon >Now anyone that thinks there up to it I will lay my title down in exchange for yours. The track is Rt.211 (Skyline Dr. in VA).If you think us fancy bike riders are such pussys than lets set up a race. Its at night so if you happen to not be able to hold a turn as well as you think, lets just say you and your bike wont be found for a couple of months. My number is 703-435-9067 feel free to drop a line. ( I hate how every fag who owns a bike thinks they know how to use it, my time is spent on the track and you guys sit in your offfices sending messages with your comps. You think working behind a desk is hard, try racing and see how easy it is to have a life.) Now f--- off or pick up the phone and lets schedule an apointment. Mike Ogden From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 22:47:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA14702 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11228 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29831 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:47:20 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id ENBQa03785; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:46:32 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <2928c897.36046c88@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:46:32 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/19/98 10:41:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Damn, I'd even give the challenger(winner) money just to see him walk home w/o his bike while we laugh uncontrollably and take turns "testing" the newly acquired prize out right in front of him. >> hmm, well, Im not usually someone to condone this type of stuff... but, I got a few I can spare. Lets see who's up for it. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 22:51:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA14789 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11318 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29865 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WKHPa18748; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:50:58 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:50:58 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 well, just for sh*ts and giggles, I dialed up our friend Mike, just to see if he was ligit, and no suprise, no answer. Not even an answering machine. maybe someones shooting blanks just to get a kick out of everyone. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 23:23:56 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16192 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr49-dialup57.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EZK003DKC2WR2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 03:23:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:19:56 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, DC Cycle Club Message-id: <004e01bde45e$b10fbfa0$394f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >well, just for sh*ts and giggles, I dialed up our friend Mike, just to see if >he was ligit, and no suprise, no answer. Not even an answering machine. maybe >someones shooting blanks just to get a kick out of everyone. > >Sean... Maybe he's out practicing............ 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 19 23:31:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16619 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11835 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00524 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:31:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WDSVa17823 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:30:32 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1452544.360476d8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:30:32 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'd like to go out and watch this guy lose! I'd certainly buy a drink for whoever wins the bike off this guy. Too bad he's not racing at a track (or somewhere else legal to race), cause I'm sure he'd have more challengers. As it is, I bet he knows this route really well, and might even have a trick up his sleeve. Be careful and no flames please!!!! :) Robert "The Instigator" VanSlyke 83 Shadow "Black Wolf" P.S. Fred, I must say that I'm impressed with your bike and your handling. "Blue Streak" fits! From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 07:40:32 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06507 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:40:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EMYTa03786; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:39:48 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/19/98 10:41:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << (just a prick?) >> A bit of a moron too. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 07:45:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06612 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16932 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04364 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WMHTa07909; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d976572.3604eac9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:45:13 EDT To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/19/98 10:58:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX writes: << I dialed up our friend Mike, just to see if he was ligit, and no suprise, no answer. >> Maybe he was walking home from the Appalachian Trail (is that what it's called) last night. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 07:53:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06962 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16986 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04380 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:53:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WOHWa02116; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447991f3.3604ec79@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:52:25 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/19/98 11:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << Too bad he's not racing at a track (or somewhere else legal to race) >> I'm all for riding fast with friends on the street, but I think that "racing" i.e. trying to pass people you are riding with when they don't want you to on the street is absolutely the most ridiculous thing one can do. By the way, I had a nightmare about our hitchhiker friend last night. I was behind him and his leaking carburetor caught fire when dropped a cigarette he was smoking (while riding), and I was behind him. LOL No joke, he made an impression on me. Ciao, Fred P.S. Thanks From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 10:40:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13268 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18270 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05419 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:40:14 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WEHIa20416 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:39:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I must second Roberts compliments to Fred and his bike. After we all left VA he and I headed back to the home state of MD and went out to Annapolis. Of course we took some nice back roads that we both know (Old Governers Bridge Rd if your familiar with the area) and he kick some serious A. He also gave me some pointers while in Annapolis. Also, thanks to all dc-cycles riders on the journey yesterday. I enjoyed all the twistys on the ride. It was a very well planned route. Glad I didn't have to lead and follow all those directions. Nice to meet some of the faces behind the e-mail addresses also. - Kevin In a message dated 9/19/98 11:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: > > P.S. Fred, I must say that I'm impressed with your bike and your handling. > "Blue Streak" fits! From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 10:45:15 1998 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13381 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EEGIa03122; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:44:35 EDT To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 My money's on Fred if they're going down Governor's Bridge Rd. I've seen him go. Not for very long though as he was 1/2 mile in front of me by the fime we got to the stop sign. - KO > Well if he picks the track then there should be a handicap for someone that > doesn't know it. At my age, I don't see well at night anyway so I'll have > let > some other lister win theCBR-900RR. Now from Patuxent River Road at Central > Avenue to Governor's Bridge Road to Riva Road hmmmmmm. I do have room in my > garage for another bike. The 9 (Blue Streak) may be up to it. By the way > who > called it a "Blue Streak" today, I like it even though I've never had a name > for any of my bikes. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 12:50:27 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18128 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:50:21 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA22896; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809201652.MAA22896@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX (Jon S.) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000f01bde434$aba9b4a0$294737a6@default> from "Jon S." at Sep 19, 98 06:19:06 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Yup, free 900RR. Here's your chance to win one. All you have to do is > give this squid a call and smoke him. Check out his challenge: > > Jon > > > >Now anyone that thinks there up to it I will lay my title down in exchange > for yours. The track is Rt.211 (Skyline Dr. in VA).If you think us fancy > bike riders are such pussys than lets set up a race. Its at night so if you > happen to not be able to hold a turn as well as you think, lets just say you > and your bike wont be found for a couple of months. My number is > 703-435-9067 feel free to drop a line. ( I hate how every fag who owns a > bike thinks they know how to use it, my time is spent on the track and you > guys sit in your offfices sending messages with your comps. You think > working behind a desk is hard, try racing and see how easy it is to have a > life.) Now f--- off or pick up the phone and lets schedule an apointment. > > Mike Ogden > 1) if he is so familiar with track, then why not rent Summit Point, and run 10 or 20 laps there ? looser pays the bil.. 2) get an el cheapo old cruiser, set up the race. all what it take is 1 or 2 state troopers/park rangers to win the run., by obeying speed limits and driving slowly... _zjt (as usually, trying to fix the rat's race..) -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 12:59:57 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18484 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-78.s78.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.78]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00439; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360534D6.A1313334@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:01:10 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leerider@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197966@MSCEX> <3602EF4A.1C09@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee Powell wrote: > > When was the last time anyone heard an "intelligent" CB conversation? I > listen to mine for entertainment while driving. > They are by far the best radar detectors available when out on the hiway.....It also saved me from a 70mph+ head on collision with a cage sized piece of scrap steel one night! > As far as receiving cellphone calls while driving being OK, but not > dialing out, I must disagree with LTJG Fagan. Far too formal my riding friend...My names Collin, and other than the haircut, many would be hard pressed to know I'm a 0 in the military. a human (not engaged in > thoughtful conversation) is needed to drive one. So we're now saying that no one talks to their passenger in the car?! C'mon, unless the passenger is like my wife who falls asleep the instant I start the vehicle, we converse with our passengers. If that person's voice is coming though a hands free cellphone won't be much different. My point was that the operation side of a phone is where the biggest problems lie (lay? fell asleep that day in English class :)) Or in using a handheld model. Most people can talk and pat their belly, chew gum, breath, at the same time :) Then again, some people can't drive a cage properly even if they're the only ones on the road driving in pure silence he he he CT From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 17:41:19 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29260 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TTGOa20415; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:40:26 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX, leerider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/20/98 1:05:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << My point was that the operation side of a phone is where the biggest problems lie (lay? fell asleep that day in English class :)) >> Ok all you fags behind your computers making fun of us with fancy cell-phones. I use a cell-phone for a living and if any of you feel up to I'll lay my title down on my Micro Tac and 400 free minutes of free talk time if any of you can program more numbers in memory, make ougoing calls and hold an intelligent conversation at the same time whilst driving a car on the South West South East Freeway during rush hour accessing the freeway from L'Enfant Plaza and exiting on Pennsylvania Avenue. Jeeesh, I really hate people who buy cell- phones and think they know how to use them. If you are not p__ssys call me at 1-800-FASTCELL and set up an appointment. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 17:54:09 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29707 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id SSIRa02082; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42167ce2.360578e9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:51:37 EDT To: zbig@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/20/98 12:55:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zbig@XXXXXX writes: << ) get an el cheapo old cruiser, set up the race. all what it take is 1 or 2 state troopers/park rangers to win the run., by obeying speed limits and driving slowly... >> Actually, if one had a good relationship with the police one instruct them as to where to sit waiting (about 3/4s of the way on the course the guy wants to run). Then one could get and stay out in front (to have a little fun with your own bike) until a mile or two before the police and let him pass. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 19:02:51 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02319 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TZTa019214; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:02:01 EDT To: Boiade@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX, leerider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/20/98 5:46:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: << I'll lay my title down on my Micro Tac and 400 free minutes of free talk time if any of you can program more numbers in memory, make ougoing calls and hold an intelligent conversation at the same time whilst driving a car on the South West South East Freeway during rush hour accessing the freeway from L'Enfant Plaza and exiting on Pennsylvania Avenue. >> Seems to me this is how accidents happen and perhaps motorcyclists get smushed. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 19:21:54 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03115 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TXWEa10656; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14db6efc.36058dc1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:20:33 EDT To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX, leerider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/20/98 7:10:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: << Seems to me this is how accidents happen and perhaps motorcyclists get smushed. >> I hope you didn't take me seriously? If so, please be assured that the number I left was not a real telephone number. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 19:25:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03399 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA23173 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13124 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:25:30 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WHNBa13873; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:24:47 EDT To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Saturday ride... was Re: Free CBR900RR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Kevin, It was good to meet you too! I enjoyed the ride alot, even though I was completely lost most of the time. Good thing I had Anita ahead of me and Fred ahead of her!! Looking at a map on my tank bag is challenging at speed on twisty roads. :) Considering how that local guy on the CX500 rode, I'm glad I wasn't headed back to Frederick!! I've seen that guy arund before.... maybe he won't recognize me. ;p Whew!! Robert "no flames please" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 19:29:57 1998 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03473 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 20 Sep 1998 23:29:53 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20376 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:29:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR - Collin? Want a new race bike? In-Reply-To: <14d9b05c.36043adf@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey Collin, > Id bet $100 that you could eat this loser with your Gixxer! I know you arent > the type to go for this sorta thing but I think that 900RR would look nice on > your trailer next to the Gixxer!!!! What do you think? > > Jack Fearsome. The part that bugs me about this "challenge" is the night shit. What is the point of that? Races are about skill and control.. if there's a dead cat in the road (which wouldn't happen on a track) and its pitch dark, you hit it and you go down. So wow, you *were* leading the race, but now you're in a cast! How Super! There's a reason reaces aren't run at night, and there's a reason I don't drive too fast at night. Its called 0 margin for error. My room-mate had this reiterrated to him when we were driving home a week ago, he was screwing around passing me on a curve, hit a patch of something, and came >< that close to dropping it. I can get over the fact that he wants to run this on the road (even though it seems stupid to me) but if he wants it to be a real race, he'd better do it during daylight. Otherwise, to be honest, I wouldn't *WANT* to see collin race him. Because I'd sure hate to call up his wife & kid and explain to them that daddy had to teach someone a lesson, and oh by the way, can you come ID the body. My 0.02 Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 19:36:10 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03855 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09798 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13381 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809202336.TAA13381@shell.clark.net> Subject: Saturday Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:36:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Hi files, sorry for the delay in sending this ride report. You'll see the reason soon. Anyhow several of us (I never did get a full count) met at IHOP Saturday morning. The food was good, and there was lots of it. I think Tom Mersch was the only one who actually finished everything on his plate. We left at 10:00 sharp. I heard later that one rider showed up at 10:10. Sorry! Anyhow the first leg was basically to get from Falls Church to Leesburg. And it was pretty lame, as Linda Tanner felt free to point out. :-) Fortunately we only really got separated once (about 10 bikes total), and were able to re-unite. Just as we entered Leesburg, I looked at the van in the lane to the right of us. The woman driving was also reading something on a piece of paper. I kept a very close eye on her, Linda (rider next to/behind me) was doing the same. After Leesburg we headed out on the next leg of the trip which went around Harper's Ferry. Some of those roads were really narrow. And drivers felt they needed to pull the car to the left and block the whole lane to park. In other areas, cars were coming our way on the left, and there were large rock formations on the right. Talk about being between a rock and a hard object! At one point the person on the blue Ninja (I'm really bad with names) who was riding towards the back passed all of us and pulled us over because a few people got far behind (street signs weren't clear). After waiting a few minutes they pulled up and we were off. The next stop was basically a "Turn the route sheet over" stop, but we got off the bikes to chat a bit anyway. It was at a parking lot for the Appilation Trail. I walked up to the trail to take a look, and to say I walked on it. Another guy pulled in behind us on an old Honda that was leaking gas from his carbs. Despite that, he was smoking on/around his bike. Ok.... >From there we went to Roy Rogers for lunch. On our way we passed a large group of motorcycles coming the other way. I noticed the guy who joined up with us at the last stop was not only following us, but was passing other motorcycles in the group until he was behind me. Not really good group riding procedure. When looking through the route sheets a few days before, I saw that one set had a lunch stop at the Roy Rogers in Warrenton. When someone asked where we would be eating, I answered that I thought in Warrenton. When we got there, Linda asked me if I said we were eating in Warrenton, so I asked the servers where we were. We were still in Maryland. Oops. So they were picking on me a bit for that. I may not know where we were, but I could follow the directions pretty well! After that we followed the route back to Leesburg. From there we went to the Dulles area. On the way we passed an antique car show. The three girls were working collecting parking fees had a grand time waving at us. When we arrived at the former home of Capitol Cycles (they recently moved) we then split up and went our separate ways. I followed Anita back to her place to pick up my saddle bags which she had borrowed for a previous place. After that I went to visit some friends who lived in the area. When I arrived, I asked if I could borrow their phone, as my father had told me that morning that my grandfather was now refusing medicine and Dialysis treatment. When I checked my answering machine, I got a message to come home to CT, he passed away about 3:00 pm (just as we were finishing our ride) As I rode home, I was very frustrated on Rt. 7 as the traffice was bad with the construction. Then on 495, I was going at a better clip. Just before the exit for Gallows Road, I saw that traffic was getting strongly conjested, so I cut a few lanes to exit. I crossed the beltway on Gallows, and saw there was some kind of accident and all traffic was stopped. I was lucky to get off in time. I thought about taking my bike up to CT, but since I didn't really have time to pack properly (when loading a bike, you really need to think things out) I just threw a bunch of stuff into my car and headed out. After Baltimore I noticed a lot of motorcycles pulled over on the shoulder. The first one I saw was next to a car, so I'm not sure if there was an accident or mechanical problem. Then there were several, like 10-20 all along the shoulder for the next 5 miles, just waiting for the others. At that time it was dark. I wish I had some flares with me, I would have given them to the riders on the side of the road since it was pretty dark, and it was hard to see them. Later I got passed by another motorcycle. The guy had a small rear light, and that was the only thing I could barely see after he left my immediate headlights. Made me appreciate the Scotlight I have on my 'Stich and helmet. Anyhow, I'll be back in town Tues or Wednesday. The ride was enjoyable, and hope now that the weather is cooling off we can do more and see more folks! Louis From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 19:37:04 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03865 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr23-dialup28.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EZL00HAIW8PP6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:36:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:33:00 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003001bde508$27b033c0$9c4837a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >1) if he is so familiar with track, then why not rent Summit Point, and >run 10 or 20 laps there ? looser pays the bil.. That's a good idea, but I don't think he would accept such a "fair" race. I'm sure he knows this route like the back of his p*nis(oops) or he wouldn't have been so specific on the road. >2) get an el cheapo old cruiser, set up the race. all what it take is 1 >or 2 state troopers/park rangers to win the run., by obeying speed >limits and driving slowly... >_zjt (as usually, trying to fix the rat's race..) Hey Z, know any? I'll chip in to pay the cop off.......... 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 19:43:42 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03958 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA32741 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.44.172.200]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980920234306.PHKQ31405@XXXXXX> for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:43:06 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:42:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bde4f0$5cb08c40$c8ac2ca6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 ROTFLMAO LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (49K and counting) I don’t understand stupidity and cannot tolerate intolerance. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein Q: Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? PAUL LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles so easily. -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, September 20, 1998 5:40 PM To: gixer@XXXXXX; leerider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited In a message dated 9/20/98 1:05:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << My point was that the operation side of a phone is where the biggest problems lie (lay? fell asleep that day in English class :)) >> Ok all you fags behind your computers making fun of us with fancy cell-phones. I use a cell-phone for a living and if any of you feel up to I'll lay my title down on my Micro Tac and 400 free minutes of free talk time if any of you can program more numbers in memory, make ougoing calls and hold an intelligent conversation at the same time whilst driving a car on the South West South East Freeway during rush hour accessing the freeway from L'Enfant Plaza and exiting on Pennsylvania Avenue. Jeeesh, I really hate people who buy cell- phones and think they know how to use them. If you are not p__ssys call me at 1-800-FASTCELL and set up an appointment. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 21:29:04 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08029 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-78.s78.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.78]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28036; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3605AB97.E545E5D6@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:27:51 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Cb radios and cell phones was Anger revisited References: <001101bde4f0$5cb08c40$c8ac2ca6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second that...funniest thing I've seen all weekend, ok, so maybe that 211 challenge was a little funny too :) Linda Tanner wrote: > > ROTFLMAO From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 21:36:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08421 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24135 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14447 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:36:21 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WKJAa10153 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:35:37 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:35:37 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR - Collin? Want a new race bike? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-09-20 19:34:32 EDT, you write: << The part that bugs me about this "challenge" is the night shit. What is the point of that? Races are about skill and control.. if there's a dead cat in the road (which wouldn't happen on a track) and its pitch dark, you hit it and you go down. So wow, you *were* leading the race, but now you're in a cast! How Super! >> Id be worried about this guy trying something like putting piano wire up and letting you win. Hmmm.....easy way to win. Or doing like we were talking about and call the cops... Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 20 21:36:31 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08422 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:36:27 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA23245; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809210138.VAA23245@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX (Jon S.) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000f01bde434$aba9b4a0$294737a6@default> from "Jon S." at Sep 19, 98 06:19:06 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Short report from pennsylvania trip. present: Todd Peer ST 1100 Jon Schumer YZF 600 Zbigniew T. XX 1100 We took off with Todd from Ashburn, met with Jon on rt 340 in Maryland. From there we took: Slab ( I-70 ) to rt 17; 17 north, quite nice ride; 64 all the way to Chambersburg; still nice, some traffic, 997 to 533 ( what a road - it was a real test of susension setup; Jon suffered badly); 75 north ( plain, nice road ) 641 east - much nicer road, with some 10 mph turnovers we took 997 north-east , looking for a nice road to cross mountains. We found it, but Penn DOT forget to pave it in time... we were not prepared for gravel, so we backed off. continuing on 233, we found a place for lunch; $5 per head, hudge amounts of food... then we finally hit 75, and used 75 south. My head was hurting for major part of the day, so on the way back we just stick to 75south, 40 east into hagerstown, and then 70 back. One place which I will remeber - somewhere on 233, which was just prepared for repaving; lot of jumps and holes.. after a few minutes I realised that I am holding bas too tight, and i am still afraid of the road. Consciously I told myself - Todd is in front, road is OK, relax, just let the bike ride. Ok, here comes a great looking right sweeper, with nice pavement on it, OK, we are leaning right, it is slowly decreasing so we are leaning more, here is some small brighe SH&* !! there was about 2 inches jump on and off brighe. Enough say that my adrenialine level jumped nicely, suspension did it's job, rear wheel left about half yard of black strip sliding.... luckilly bike bike got me through. Myself - not ( back to scared mode for next 10 minutes ). Well, total trip was about 300 miles of ridign together. Thank you guys - that was a nice day. ( if not my headache it would be great ! ) _zjt From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 01:16:04 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16880 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup3.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EZM00F8GBX7O9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:15:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:11:41 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501bde537$7835ddc0$c34337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Short report from pennsylvania trip. > > >present: Todd Peer ST 1100 > Jon Schumer YZF 600 > Zbigniew T. XX 1100 I wish I had a YZF, but it's the old FZR...... snip-------- >Ok, here comes a great looking right sweeper, >with nice pavement on it, OK, we are leaning right, it is slowly >decreasing so we are leaning more, here is some small brighe SH&* !! >there was about 2 inches jump on and off brighe. Enough say that my >adrenialine level jumped nicely, suspension did it's job, rear wheel >left about half yard of black strip sliding.... luckilly bike bike got >me through. Oh yeah, I remember that one alright. I saw you hit the bump, but it was in the middle of the turn and I was on the outside of the lane. I was in the turn, fully committed, rolling on the gas when - thump thump over bridge gap, shrrrrzzzzz(front and rear tires sliding), kept on the gas and the tires quickly caught traction, but I slid about a 6 inches over the double yellow. Got back over into my lane, let off the gas and stood it up. Looked at you and it seemed like you did the same. I'm lucky I wasn't going faster and no one was coming the other way. That was kinda close. >Thank you guys - that was a nice day. ( if not my headache it would be >great ! ) > >_zjt Zbig, Todd, I had a great time exploring the PA mountains and testing my bikes awful suspension on those moguls. It was fun catching air at 60mph......... see ya all soon. Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 07:08:23 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01112 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:08:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3JJYa03120 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <69ffe92e.36063381@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:07:45 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Saturday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Depending on weather, marital commitments etc., I am toying with the idea of organizing a very informal ride through Southern Maryland with Annapolis as the halfway point. I think some of you from Virginia and Northern Maryland might enjoy the roads. Those of you from Southern Maryland are probably familiar with these roads but might enjoy them too. Meeting place would be a Roy Rogers a mile north of the Junction of Route 4 and Route 301, on the right on Route 301. Route 4 is an exit on the beltway so it's easy to get to. Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10. Itinerary would be from 301, South on Croom Road to Charles County, across the causeway over Patuxent River to Calvert county and Prince Frederick, North through Calvert County (a little boring) to Anne Arundel and to Annapolis (fun). Returning through Anne Arundel and Prince Georges county (quite fun) back to RR's. Brisk pace but slow when the road gets straight so everyone can catch up. Should be done by 2 or 3 o'clock at the latest. Anyone interested? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 07:56:45 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03002 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:55:35 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F18@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:01:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Me like. Tom M. (aka "only one who finished the big breakfast at IHOP last Saturday"....burp :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 7:08 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Saturday Ride > > Depending on weather, marital commitments etc., I am toying with the idea > of > organizing a very informal ride through Southern Maryland with Annapolis > as > the halfway point. I think some of you from Virginia and Northern > Maryland > might enjoy the roads. Those of you from Southern Maryland are probably > familiar with these roads but might enjoy them too. > > Meeting place would be a Roy Rogers a mile north of the Junction of Route > 4 > and Route 301, on the right on Route 301. Route 4 is an exit on the > beltway so > it's easy to get to. Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10. > > Itinerary would be from 301, South on Croom Road to Charles County, across > the > causeway over Patuxent River to Calvert county and Prince Frederick, North > through Calvert County (a little boring) to Anne Arundel and to Annapolis > (fun). Returning through Anne Arundel and Prince Georges county (quite > fun) > back to RR's. > > Brisk pace but slow when the road gets straight so everyone can catch up. > Should be done by 2 or 3 o'clock at the latest. > > Anyone interested? > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 08:05:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03463 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00936 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21811 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:05:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm a newbie to the list, and haven't been able to hitch up with a group ride yet. This one is pretty close to me (by comparison to other trips), sounds interesting and if you don't mind a list-rookie, this might be a good chance to meet some of you. Just don't leave me too much in the dust. BTW, I ride a 1986 Honda Magna 700. Is this appropriate for this trip? > ---------- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX[SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 7:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Saturday Ride > > Depending on weather, marital commitments etc., I am toying with the idea > of > organizing a very informal ride through Southern Maryland with Annapolis > as > the halfway point. I think some of you from Virginia and Northern > Maryland > might enjoy the roads. Those of you from Southern Maryland are probably > familiar with these roads but might enjoy them too. > > Meeting place would be a Roy Rogers a mile north of the Junction of Route > 4 > and Route 301, on the right on Route 301. Route 4 is an exit on the > beltway so > it's easy to get to. Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10. > > Itinerary would be from 301, South on Croom Road to Charles County, across > the > causeway over Patuxent River to Calvert county and Prince Frederick, North > through Calvert County (a little boring) to Anne Arundel and to Annapolis > (fun). Returning through Anne Arundel and Prince Georges county (quite > fun) > back to RR's. > > Brisk pace but slow when the road gets straight so everyone can catch up. > Should be done by 2 or 3 o'clock at the latest. > > Anyone interested? > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 08:21:36 1998 Return-Path: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from draco.eisi.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [204.6.58.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03957 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA19846; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma019827; Mon, 21 Sep 98 08:20:38 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:20:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Chris Norloff writes: "For the time being, about all we riders can do is to check the drivers head for a cellphone, keep a space cushion, don't stay beside cars, and get a LOUD horn!" Using a cell phone while in motion, unless it's an emergency, is antisocial behavior. We've all seen people on highways suddenly slowing down, speeding up, and swerving because they're having a really good conversation. Frankly, those wireless co. ads that tell people to "use their phones safely" just piss me off; the safe way to use your phone is to pull over to make a call. (Yes, I own a phone, and yes, that's what I do.) I wish the companies selling the things would have to balls to just say that, rather than posing as responsible corporate citizens by running those spots. During the mild weather, when people tend to have their windows open, when I find myself at a red light next to a cell phone user, I rev my engine a lot. --John Whiteside jwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 08:53:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05145 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01345 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23000 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809211253.IAA23000@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC222003CE; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:52:50 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:05:59 -0400 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DUI vs. DWI - In Va. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:36 AM 9/19/98 -0400, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >I was told the other day that DUI and DWI are two separate charges; driving >under the influence, (the lesser of two, or so I was told), is just what it >says. Doesn't mean you're legally drunk, just means you've been drinking. The >nasty one is Driving while intoxicated, and means you ARE legally drunk and >then bad things happen. No confirmation, though. Anyone care to shed some >light on the subject? > >-Sean Jordan Heck, read the law yourself. It's probably online with the rest of the laws at http://leg1.state.va.us/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 08:56:45 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05429 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:57:32 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9DD@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: 2 words... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:26:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Unmarked corners.... That's all that needs to be said for a VERY convincing argument to running full speed and braking hard into the corners.. On Sunday I took off alone to go explore some MD/VA/WV roads.. happened to get on (VA I think) route 600 south, just north of Winchester.. it's the exact type of road I love. 1.5 lanes wide, no pavement markings, maybe just a tade unfinsihed (not perfectly smooth), no cars, few houses and well lit. Not to mention that at 65mph I was pushing my limits well.. Even without speed indications for the corners I was getting down pretty good and didn't have to use my brakes... Then there was the one corner that had a yellow sign with a curved arrow on it.. damn corner would have been marked a 10 if it had been marked.. and just like Zbig and crew on their trip, my pulse shot up just a tad entering that corner on the brakes.. oh, to make it even nicer, it was decreasing radius.. at least it set me up for the even tighter next corner.. *grin*. Anyway, found some good roads, and some lousy roads yesterday.. also found that for the most part I ride between 65 and 75 as my 'pace'.. It's nice to not feel rushed (I didn't know I did when riding with the WSDYMFG.. but I do now), and be able to just ride.. of course, the 250 mile round trip with only a 5 min stop for gas was nice too (sometimes I hate how much we stop on rides..) Anyway.. If anyone's looking for some good roads out north of Winchester, let me know.. I remember most the good route numbers.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:08:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05888 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01524 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23241 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA28982; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:01:51 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma028903; Mon, 21 Sep 98 09:01:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZM00IJIXFACQ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256686.00472BEC ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:57:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:57:57 -0400 Subject: RE: Design of MC engines To: Todd Peer Cc: Peter Hartzler , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Carver, John'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256686.00471C2A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Isn't that what is usually referred to as a "big bang" engine? --chris To: Peter Hartzler , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" cc: "'Carver, John'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Todd Peer Date: 09/18/98 03:50:39 PM GMT Subject: RE: Design of MC engines The crank on the EX is 180 degree. Each piston compresses separately. I've never heard of the set up where both pistons compressed together as a design consideration. What you'd have then would be a double-thumper :) Todd Peter Hartzler wrote: > Hmmm... > > I've heard that having two cylinders punch at once is done to make the > drive at the rear wheel more powerful. The idea is that instead of smooth > power, which offers little or no warning before breaking away, you get > pulsing power, which would slip and then grab again. Kind of like > anti-lock brakes but for acceleration instead of deceleration. > > On the other hand, I could be completely out to lunch on this one... > > -ph > > On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > > I'll have to doublecheck my owners manual, but i'm pretty sure the EX > > doesn't fire all at once.... > > > > As for the inline 4's, various bikes have different orders (the > older ones), > > but most modern ones fire the 1 and 4 cylinders at one time then 2 and 3 > > together... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 9:33 AM > > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > > Subject: Design of MC engines > > > > > > Anyone know . . . > > > > > > Why inline 2 cyl MC engines, like the EX500, are designed so > that both > > > pistons go up and down and fire at the same time? Why not 90 degrees > > > apart? How about 4 cyl inlines? Why not 180 or 360 degrees > apart like > > > the VFR? Is it cost or is a V4 inherently different? > > > > > > John Carver > > > '98 VFR > > > > --- > Peter Hartzler > Systems Analysis > Ellsworth Associates, Inc. > ph@XXXXXX > (703) 821-3090 x 252 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:15:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06014 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01614 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23420 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:14:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: pro-long? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:14:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What's everyone think of putting Pro-long in a mc engine? Worked great in two cages of mine. Any thoughts? JT From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:22:25 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06400 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zL5un-0007hR-00; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:22:05 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2DA@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:18:46 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain but I was wrong. Yesterday Tom & I were heading out of the Pentagon City Mall parking lot... (don't ask...) ; ) when Tom slipped on some antifreeze going about 5 mph, tops. His bike immediately went down, with him under it. Well, some guy who was basically going around Tom at the time taking a left turn immediately yells at him, "What the f&*^ were you doing, ass*^((&!" Then the guy proceeded to not only continue cussing him out but began cussing me out as well. I'll tell you, he was lucky he didn't get out of his cage!! I finally yelled at him, "Go AWAY!!" "He didn't hit you! What the hell do you want!?" Then he yelled at me, "F*(^ YOU!!...what in the f(^* were you two doing!!??" Of course, I was simply sitting there so I have no idea what he thought I was supposedly doing. I then asked him (in a loud voice, mind you) where the hell his human decency went when there is a guy laying in the middle of the street under a motorcycle!! I mean, usually, when someone gets hit or goes down or has ANY type of accident, I will at LEAST ask if they're OKAY. Jeez, I'm getting burnt up just writing this. What has happened to the world? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:37:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06914 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01837 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24012 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WJNLa19215 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:36:47 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I am sorry to say that I am no longer surprised at what people do. Its a shame that this place is going to hell in a handbasket. Hope Tom and his machine are OK! Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:40:20 1998 Return-Path: cgee1@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f259.hotmail.com [207.82.251.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07198 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28005 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 1998 13:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19980921133931.28004.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.114.156.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:39:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.114.156.164] From: "Christopher Gee" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:39:31 PDT >Depending on weather, marital commitments etc., I am toying with the >idea of organizing a very informal ride through Southern Maryland >with Annapolis as the halfway point. I think some of you from >Virginia and Northern Maryland might enjoy the roads. Those of you >from Southern Maryland are probably familiar with these roads but >might enjoy them too. > >Meeting place would be a Roy Rogers a mile north of the Junction of >Route 4 and Route 301, on the right on Route 301. Route 4 is an exit >on the beltway so it's easy to get to. Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10. >Itinerary would be from 301, South on Croom Road to Charles County, >across the causeway over Patuxent River to Calvert county and Prince >Frederick, North through Calvert County (a little boring) to Anne >Arundel and to Annapolis(fun). Returning through Anne Arundel and >Prince Georges county (quite fun)back to RR's. > >Brisk pace but slow when the road gets straight so everyone can catch >up. Should be done by 2 or 3 o'clock at the latest. > >Anyone interested? > >Ciao, > >Fred After reading Fred and Kevin's posts about Patuxent River Road, Governor Bridge Road, Saint Barber Road, etc., I went out yesterday to check them out. Lots of fun, and if the other roads in Fred's itenerary are like these, it will definitely be a great ride. Cheers, Christopher red F3 (and the lime green disk locks) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:49:40 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07598 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA26219; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256686.005B8B61 ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:48:49 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256686.004BDCEF.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:49:45 -0400 Subject: Re: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Tell me about it...I just read a message from another of the mailing lists I subscribe to...some kid threw a waterbaloon filled with paint thinner at this guy's car (like $10K paint job) and ruined it...where do people get off being such total pricks anyway? I'd like to sit the whole lot of 'em down for a mass pouring-of-piping-hot-McDonald's-coffee-in-the-crotch fest...when they scream, that's when you put the mothballs in their mouths ;-) Hope Tom is OK, as well as his bike! -Doug To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... but I was wrong. Yesterday Tom & I were heading out of the Pentagon City Mall parking lot... (don't ask...) ; ) when Tom slipped on some antifreeze going about 5 mph, tops. His bike immediately went down, with him under it. Well, some guy who was basically going around Tom at the time taking a left turn immediately yells at him, "What the f&*^ were you doing, ass*^((&!" Then the guy proceeded to not only continue cussing him out but began cussing me out as well. I'll tell you, he was lucky he didn't get out of his cage!! I finally yelled at him, "Go AWAY!!" "He didn't hit you! What the hell do you want!?" Then he yelled at me, "F*(^ YOU!!...what in the f(^* were you two doing!!??" Of course, I was simply sitting there so I have no idea what he thought I was supposedly doing. I then asked him (in a loud voice, mind you) where the hell his human decency went when there is a guy laying in the middle of the street under a motorcycle!! I mean, usually, when someone gets hit or goes down or has ANY type of accident, I will at LEAST ask if they're OKAY. Jeez, I'm getting burnt up just writing this. What has happened to the world? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:49:49 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07596 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:50:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:50:26 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The world has gone to Hell and all that's left are the idiots that the = Devil didn't want to deal with. hehe Scooter BTW, Pentagon City Mall????? >>> "O'Brien, Jeannette" 09/21/98 09:18AM >>> but I was wrong. Yesterday Tom & I were heading out of the Pentagon City Mall parking lot... (don't ask...) ; ) when Tom slipped on some antifreeze going about 5 mph, tops. His bike immediately went down, with him under it. Well, some guy who was basically going around Tom at the time taking a left turn immediately yells at him, "What the f&*^ were you doing, ass*^((&!" Then the guy proceeded to not only continue cussing him out but began cussing me out as well. I'll tell you, he was lucky he didn't get out of his cage!! I finally yelled at him, "Go AWAY!!" "He didn't hit you! What the hell do you want!?" Then he yelled at me, "F*(^ YOU!!...what in the f(^* were you two doing!!??" Of course, I was simply sitting there so I have no idea what he thought I was supposedly doing. I then asked him (in a loud voice, mind you) where the hell his human decency went when there is a guy laying in the middle of the street under a motorcycle!! I mean, usually, when someone gets hit or goes down or has ANY type of accident, I will at LEAST ask if they're OKAY. Jeez, I'm getting burnt up just writing this. What has happened to the world? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:51:31 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07695 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zL6ND-0002RL-00; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:51:27 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:50:33 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2DD@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:48:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain LOL, I like that idea! : ) My motto has always been "People Suck" LOL Tom's ok, his knee was hurting but he said he was glad he was wearing his jacket, the armor probably saved him a broken arm...his bike, well, let him tell you about that...still running, but not quite as pretty anymore. - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 9:50 AM > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... > > > > Tell me about it...I just read a message from another of the mailing > lists > I subscribe to...some kid threw a waterbaloon filled with paint > thinner at > this guy's car (like $10K paint job) and ruined it...where do people > get > off being such total pricks anyway? I'd like to sit the whole lot of > 'em > down for a mass pouring-of-piping-hot-McDonald's-coffee-in-the-crotch > fest...when they scream, that's when you put the mothballs in their > mouths > ;-) > > Hope Tom is OK, as well as his bike! > > -Doug > > > > > > > > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) > Subject: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... > > > > > but I was wrong. > > Yesterday Tom & I were heading out of the Pentagon City Mall parking > lot... (don't ask...) ; ) > when Tom slipped on some antifreeze going about 5 mph, tops. His bike > immediately went down, with him under it. > Well, some guy who was basically going around Tom at the time taking a > left turn immediately yells at him, "What the f&*^ were you doing, > ass*^((&!" Then the guy proceeded to not only continue cussing him > out > but began cussing me out as well. I'll tell you, he was lucky he > didn't > get out of his cage!! I finally yelled at him, "Go AWAY!!" "He > didn't > hit you! What the hell do you want!?" Then he yelled at me, "F*(^ > YOU!!...what in the f(^* were you two doing!!??" Of course, I was > simply sitting there so I have no idea what he thought I was > supposedly > doing. I then asked him (in a loud voice, mind you) where the hell > his > human decency went when there is a guy laying in the middle of the > street under a motorcycle!! I mean, usually, when someone gets hit or > goes down or has ANY type of accident, I will at LEAST ask if they're > OKAY. Jeez, I'm getting burnt up just writing this. > > What has happened to the world? > > - Jeannette > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:54:34 1998 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07735 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12341 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03822 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:56:24 -0400 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260365C0@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:56:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain 95% of the people in this world fall under two categories: Idiots or assholes, or some combination of the two. The sooner you accept this the easier your life will be and nothing will shock you anymore. Spend your time seeking out the other 5%. This is said tongue in cheek but there is some truth to it. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 9:19 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... > > but I was wrong. > > Yesterday Tom & I were heading out of the Pentagon City Mall parking > lot... (don't ask...) ; ) > when Tom slipped on some antifreeze going about 5 mph, tops. His bike > immediately went down, with him under it. > Well, some guy who was basically going around Tom at the time taking a > left turn immediately yells at him, "What the f&*^ were you doing, > ass*^((&!" Then the guy proceeded to not only continue cussing him > out > but began cussing me out as well. I'll tell you, he was lucky he > didn't > get out of his cage!! I finally yelled at him, "Go AWAY!!" "He > didn't > hit you! What the hell do you want!?" Then he yelled at me, "F*(^ > YOU!!...what in the f(^* were you two doing!!??" Of course, I was > simply sitting there so I have no idea what he thought I was > supposedly > doing. I then asked him (in a loud voice, mind you) where the hell > his > human decency went when there is a guy laying in the middle of the > street under a motorcycle!! I mean, usually, when someone gets hit or > goes down or has ANY type of accident, I will at LEAST ask if they're > OKAY. Jeez, I'm getting burnt up just writing this. > > What has happened to the world? > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:55:01 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07745 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA27147 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256686.005BA14F ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:54:13 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256686.004C5BFC.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:55:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Wow, Mike sounds like a real prick...obviously he needs money to resort to gambling...I guess his "racing skills" haven't been paying the bills lately ('cuz its safe to say that his writing skills wont be netting him any jobs with MCN, heh heh)...maybe one of us "office jockeys" should crank call him at say...oh...5:00am just to teach him a lesson about volunteering his phone number to complete strangers ;-) I bet Leon could take him on the moped! -Doug To: DC Cycle Club cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Free CBR900RR Yup, free 900RR. Here's your chance to win one. All you have to do is give this squid a call and smoke him. Check out his challenge: Jon >Now anyone that thinks there up to it I will lay my title down in exchange for yours. The track is Rt.211 (Skyline Dr. in VA).If you think us fancy bike riders are such pussys than lets set up a race. Its at night so if you happen to not be able to hold a turn as well as you think, lets just say you and your bike wont be found for a couple of months. My number is 703-435-9067 feel free to drop a line. ( I hate how every fag who owns a bike thinks they know how to use it, my time is spent on the track and you guys sit in your offfices sending messages with your comps. You think working behind a desk is hard, try racing and see how easy it is to have a life.) Now f--- off or pick up the phone and lets schedule an apointment. Mike Ogden From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 09:57:17 1998 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from oak.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07852 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18180; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:57:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:57:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2DA@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Egads! I hope Tom is OK... > ... Tom slipped on some antifreeze going about 5 mph, tops. His bike > immediately went down, with him under it. ... > I then asked [the cager] (in a loud voice, mind you) where the hell his > human decency went when there is a guy laying in the middle of the > street under a motorcycle!! ... > What has happened to the world? This comes up once in a while. My theory is simply that there are a lot of people out there that are in a lot of pain. People who are confused, fearful, stressed or in pain tend to focus on icons, and lash out at them. Motorcycles, and other vehicles on the road in general simply become icons. People fail to see the soul behind the wheel/handlebars. Without knowing how Tom is, and not to belittle the danger, I'd still bet that that cager is in more pain, and more chronically miserable than Tom will ever be. This is also why retaliation doesn't help (in the long run); that simply widens the circle of pain and ensures you a place in it. <$.02> What has happened in the world? Fear (not hate) is the opposite of love. As people become more fearful, their ability to understand (love) the world around them dimishes, and they become sub-human. The only way I know of to deal with this is to not let these animals stop me from loving my life and all that is in it. As for Tom, pay special attention for symptoms of crushing type injuries, such as compartment syndrome. If he experiences any unusual symptoms that aren't very localized to where the bike landed on him, like general tightness or numbness, then a doctor visit is in order asap. Wishing you the best! Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 10:01:38 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08186 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:02:46 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:02:16 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Glad to hear you had a nice trip. I'm going to have to join one of = Anita's rides soon. :-) Sorry to hear about your grandfather. My = grandmother is also on dialysis and is being a real pain-in-the-butt to my = parents. But then again, she was like that before dialysis. hehe It's = better you didn't take the bike, it would have been hard to concentrate on = riding while thinking about your grandfather. Ride safe. Scooter BTW, nicely written report. >>> 09/20/98 07:36PM >>> Hi files, sorry for the delay in sending this ride report. You'll see the reason soon. Anyhow several of us (I never did get a full count) met at IHOP Saturday morning. The food was good, and there was lots of it. I think Tom Mersch was the only one who actually finished everything on his plate. We left at 10:00 sharp. I heard later that one rider showed up at 10:10. Sorry! Anyhow the first leg was basically to get from Falls Church to Leesburg. And it was pretty lame, as Linda Tanner felt free to point out. :-) Fortunately we only really got separated once (about 10 bikes total), and were able to re-unite. Just as we entered Leesburg, I looked at the van in the lane to the right of us. The woman driving was also reading something on a piece of paper. I kept a very close eye on her, Linda (rider next to/behind me) was doing the same. =20 After Leesburg we headed out on the next leg of the trip which went around Harper's Ferry. Some of those roads were really narrow. And drivers felt they needed to pull the car to the left and block the whole lane to park. In other areas, cars were coming our way on the left, and there were large rock formations on the right. Talk about being between a rock and a hard object! At one point the person on the blue Ninja (I'm really bad with names) who was riding towards the back passed all of us and pulled us over because a few people got far behind (street signs weren't clear). After waiting a few minutes they pulled up and we were off. The next stop was basically a "Turn the route sheet over" stop, but we got off the bikes to chat a bit anyway. It was at a parking lot for the Appilation Trail. I walked up to the trail to take a look, and to say I walked on it. Another guy pulled in behind us on an old Honda that was leaking gas from his carbs. Despite that, he was smoking on/around his bike. Ok.... =20 >From there we went to Roy Rogers for lunch. On our way we passed a large group of motorcycles coming the other way. I noticed the guy who joined up with us at the last stop was not only following us, but was passing other motorcycles in the group until he was behind me. Not really good group riding procedure. =20 When looking through the route sheets a few days before, I saw that one set had a lunch stop at the Roy Rogers in Warrenton. When someone asked where we would be eating, I answered that I thought in Warrenton. When we got there, Linda asked me if I said we were eating in Warrenton, so I asked the servers where we were. We were still in Maryland. Oops. So they were picking on me a bit for that. I may not know where we were, but I could follow the directions pretty well! =20 After that we followed the route back to Leesburg. From there we went to the Dulles area. On the way we passed an antique car show. The three girls were working collecting parking fees had a grand time waving at us. When we arrived at the former home of Capitol Cycles (they=20 recently moved) we then split up and went our separate ways. I followed Anita back to her place to pick up my saddle bags which=20 she had borrowed for a previous place. After that I went to visit some friends who lived in the area. When I arrived, I asked if I could borrow their phone, as my father had told me that morning that my grandfather was now refusing medicine and Dialysis treatment. When I checked my answering machine, I got a message to come home to CT, he passed away about 3:00 pm (just as we were finishing our ride) As I rode home, I was very frustrated on Rt. 7 as the traffice was bad with the construction. Then on 495, I was going at a better clip. =20 Just before the exit for Gallows Road, I saw that traffic was getting strongly conjested, so I cut a few lanes to exit. I crossed the beltway on Gallows, and saw there was some kind of accident and all traffic was stopped. I was lucky to get off in time. =20 I thought about taking my bike up to CT, but since I didn't really have time to pack properly (when loading a bike, you really need to think = things out) I just threw a bunch of stuff into my car and headed out. After Baltimore I noticed a lot of motorcycles pulled over on the shoulder. The first one I saw was next to a car, so I'm not sure if there was an accident or mechanical problem. Then there were several, like 10-20 all along the shoulder for the next 5 miles, just waiting for the others. At that time it was dark. I wish I had some flares with me, I would have given them to the riders on the side of the road since it was pretty dark, and it was hard to see them. Later I got passed by another motorcycle. The guy had a small rear light, and that was the only thing I could barely see after he left my immediate headlights. Made me appreciate the Scotlight I have on my 'Stich and helmet. =20 Anyhow, I'll be back in town Tues or Wednesday. The ride was enjoyable, and hope now that the weather is cooling off we can do more and see more folks! Louis From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 10:21:03 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09095 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:20:53 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F1D@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: BMW fun Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:24:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Ouch. I finally got into my favorite BMW dealer to get an estimate on repairing the damage done to my K12 on the AutoTrain when the Amtrak folks secured it unevenly (and it fell down and went boom scrape bounce during some portion of the 15 hour trip). Right side fairing, mirror, turn signal unit, front brake lever, back brake lever, various clips, and labor to make the changes and refinish the lockable case -- approx. $3500.00 May start riding a little slower -- hate to have to pay that tab myself, or the increased premium after my insurance folks cheerfully paid and raised. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 10:22:16 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09113 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08638; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:22:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199809211422.KAA08638@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "SCOTT Rush" , louis@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:22:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 21 Sep 98, at 10:02, SCOTT Rush wrote: > Glad to hear you had a nice trip. I'm going to have to join one of > Anita's rides soon. :-) Actually, this wasn't really "my" ride! :-) I may have been the instigator, but Louis did the all the work... chose the route, found a good breakfast spot, and led us all the way to Warrenton and back... [or was that Brunswick MD?] :-) I just took it easy and hung out in the back of the pack (make that WAY back of the pack). Louis did give me a copy of a "fall foliage" route sheet on Saturday... I'll pick a nice weekend next month for that one. Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 10:49:58 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09959 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id KAA17862 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id KAA17853 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id KAA17992 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([206.201.107.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id KAA17984 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809211448.KAA17984@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:44:00 -0400 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride To: Boiade , dc-cycles X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME {{ Another lurker steps from the shadows... }} I would be interested in going, Fred. Of course, if you plan to ride as fast as we did coming back from Summit Point...Not everyone is a racer, ya know. My bike is, unfortunatly, out of commission at this moment. It died last night, right at the shopping center where you plan to start the Saturday ride. Had a friend help me get it back to his place, where we plan to look at it tonight. If all is well, I will certainly come on the ride. Hope to meet some of you there. --Brad '98 Ninja 500 (Not kicking so well right now) -----Original Message----- From: Boiade [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 7:08 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Saturday Ride ---------------------------------------------------- Depending on weather, marital commitments etc., I am toying with the idea of organizing a very informal ride through Southern Maryland with Annapolis as the halfway point. I think some of you from Virginia and Northern Maryland might enjoy the roads. Those of you from Southern Maryland are probably familiar with these roads but might enjoy them too. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 10:54:12 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10317 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:50:17 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:50:01 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BMW fun Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You shouldn't have to worry about paying for it. It's AmTrak's fault and = they have to pay. Get your insurance company on them, those guys like to = stick it to companies like that. :-) Scooter >>> "Mersch, Tom" 09/21/98 10:24AM >>> Ouch. I finally got into my favorite BMW dealer to get an estimate on repairing the damage done to my K12 on the AutoTrain when the Amtrak folks secured = it unevenly (and it fell down and went boom scrape bounce during some portion of the 15 hour trip). Right side fairing, mirror, turn signal unit, front brake lever, back = brake lever, various clips, and labor to make the changes and refinish the lockable case -- approx. $3500.00 May start riding a little slower -- hate to have to pay that tab myself, = or the increased premium after my insurance folks cheerfully paid and raised. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 10:59:23 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10432 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F1F@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: BMW fun Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:03:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Absolutely. I've had many good experiences with Amtrak, and they have stepped up to the plate on this already. > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 10:50 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; merscht@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: BMW fun > > You shouldn't have to worry about paying for it. It's AmTrak's fault and > they have to pay. Get your insurance company on them, those guys like to > stick it to companies like that. :-) > > Scooter > > >>> "Mersch, Tom" 09/21/98 10:24AM >>> > > Ouch. > > I finally got into my favorite BMW dealer to get an estimate on repairing > the damage done to my K12 on the AutoTrain when the Amtrak folks secured > it > unevenly (and it fell down and went boom scrape bounce during some portion > of the 15 hour trip). > > Right side fairing, mirror, turn signal unit, front brake lever, back > brake > lever, various clips, and labor to make the changes and refinish the > lockable case -- approx. $3500.00 > > May start riding a little slower -- hate to have to pay that tab myself, > or > the increased premium after my insurance folks cheerfully paid and raised. > > Tom M. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 11:02:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10748 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03064 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27875 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Mon Sep 21 10:02 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA29939 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:02:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDE550.759C8BE0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:10:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: MC Exhausts --D&D, Micron, etc. Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:10:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of an objective source for performance evaluations for MC exhaust systems, slip-ons and otherwise? That begs the question of what I'm looking for. Well, I'm primarily looking for better sound with the hopes I could gain some mid-range performance if possible. (60 - 80 acceleration) Can anyone lend opinions on D&D? How about Micron? I'm basically trolling for info. right now because the wallet is light right now. I am also weighing the difference between full and slip-on, although I shudder at $1k for a full system. I think it would be great to get a ceramic coated type to reduce the rear cylinder cooking effect of the VFR. BTW, why can't you ever feel it in the winter??!! I'm kind of tired of the VFR list with it's "The VFR is the best bike in the world & all others suck" attitude. I just want info. Most of the time it's ok but when they get on a rant. . . It took forever to get off the "Statune exhaust slip on gives no performance gain" thread. Thanks. John Carver '98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 11:11:41 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10858 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 378; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:10:44 -0400 Message-ID: <36066C9E.FA9325A9@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:11:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mersch, Tom" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: BMW fun References: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F1D@RBMAIL103> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mersch, Tom wrote: > > Ouch. > > I finally got into my favorite BMW dealer to get an estimate on repairing > the damage done to my K12 on the AutoTrain when the Amtrak folks secured it > unevenly (and it fell down and went boom scrape bounce during some portion > of the 15 hour trip). > > Right side fairing, mirror, turn signal unit, front brake lever, back brake > lever, various clips, and labor to make the changes and refinish the > lockable case -- approx. $3500.00 Ouch is right. And I don't suppose that Amtrak claimed any responsibility, huh? Too bad about the damage - that's a hefty repair bill. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 11:15:58 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11238 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 190; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:15:08 -0400 Message-ID: <36066DA1.EB9C81B3@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:15:45 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mersch, Tom" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BMW fun References: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F1F@RBMAIL103> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mersch, Tom wrote: > > Absolutely. I've had many good experiences with Amtrak, and they have > stepped up to the plate on this already. > Oh, ok. Ignore my post, then. :) Glad they are taking care of it. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 11:16:57 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11251 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA24075 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MC Exhausts --D&D, Micron, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Carver, John wrote: > Does anyone know of an objective source for performance evaluations > for MC exhaust systems, slip-ons and otherwise? > > That begs the question of what I'm looking for. Well, I'm primarily > looking for better sound with the hopes I could gain some mid-range > performance if possible. (60 - 80 acceleration) As a general rule, aftermarket pipes negatively affect low/mid performance. Longer systems (assuming ID stays the same as stock) should up mid range performance. Perhaps a left exit system would do the trick? > Can anyone lend opinions on D&D? Like any system out there D&D has had its problems with QC. It just happens that I have direct experience with their problems. I bought a full ceramic coated system for my Hawk and they'd screwed some things up (e.g., the put the flange for the front head on the rear head and vice versa - I had to alter one of them to make it fit). Without using high temp silicone the system would leak (and there were a lot of joints - the Hawk system had 7 joints). I ended up selling the D&D for this and other reasons (including the fact that the $#@! thing was like a sick, expensive puzzle). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 11:20:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11263 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03320 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28528 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25276; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:20:53 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197971@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: MC Exhausts --D&D, Micron, etc. Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:20:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John, try dropping a note to the guys at Dynojet... I've seen a couple of their guys post on the race list on occasion, and I remember them doing R&D on various pipe/jet(or FI) set ups. I'm sure they could probably shed some light on things without being too overly biased. Can't remember email or web address, but if you do a search on Dynojet USA, you'll find them easily. Also, you may want to look at Sudco (I think their name just changed to somehting like Skorpion or somehting similar). From the word I've heard, they are supposedly identical to either D&D or Micron (can't remember which)....How's that for a vague paragraph :) I should go into politics...NOT!! Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 11:15 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: MC Exhausts --D&D, Micron, etc. > > Does anyone know of an objective source for performance evaluations > for MC exhaust systems, slip-ons and otherwise? > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 11:21:52 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11343 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA17911; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:20:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980921151903.RYOK31405@XXXXXX>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:19:03 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "Jon S." Cc: Subject: Our trip to PA Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:18:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bde573$1237f9e0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199809210138.VAA23245@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Let me add that Zbig kept to his word that we'd travel no faster than 10-20mph over the limits posted, which made for a pleasent sightseeing journey. Wow, imagine that, there is actually something to look at in PA :p Rt 533 is probably fairly representative of old mountain pass roads in PA. The DOT simply lays tarmac over whatever is in the way. Grading? We don't need no steenking Grading. Imagine sharp moguls from 2-5 feet in height. Posted speed is 30mph, which is enough to put a grin on your face. Throttle at the top of each mogul and its air-born time/easy wheelies. WhoooHooo! Coming back south via 75, I took advantage of clearly opened roads at triple digits. No complaints from Zbig and/or Jon either :) I think PA, some bad roads aside, is worth exploring further. Todd Zbig Wrote: > > Short report from pennsylvania trip. > > > present: Todd Peer ST 1100 > Jon Schumer YZF 600 > Zbigniew T. XX 1100 > > > Well, total trip was about 300 miles of ridign together. > > > Thank you guys - that was a nice day. ( if not my headache it would be > great ! ) > > _zjt > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 11:29:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11729 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03408 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28874 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TJVZa01877; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:28:21 EDT To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: MC Exhausts --D&D, Micron, etc. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/21/98 11:13:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jcarver@XXXXXX writes: << I am also weighing the difference between full and slip-on, although I shudder at $1k for a full system. >> M4 is only 895-945 depending on who you get it through for full carbon fibre exhaust. thats what Im getting for my TLR with the dynojet PC. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 11:39:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12149 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03536 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29280 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA09612; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360672E3.6044A1B8@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:38:11 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: MC Exhausts --D&D, Micron, etc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had a TBR full system on a 92 VFR and on a 89 hawk GT, a full D&D system on a FZR600 and a D&D slip-on on a ZX9R. The TBR systems sounds great work well and I got a power change on the hawk and a very good power change on the ZX9R. The cans on all the systems work well but are on the loud side. For something like the VFR with a well built header system I would go with a slip-on and inrich the fuel accorgingly. I have heard of TBR carbon pipes falling apart but the Aluminum cans I hold up great. The D&D parts do well but after 35k miles and 3 years on the ZX9R there was some ageing but nothing I would not expect. Talk to all the manufactures see what they say and compare the prices. And try to find other people with the same bike and see what they did. Jay Carver, John wrote: > Does anyone know of an objective source for performance evaluations > for MC exhaust systems, slip-ons and otherwise? > > That begs the question of what I'm looking for. Well, I'm primarily > looking for better sound with the hopes I could gain some mid-range > performance if possible. (60 - 80 acceleration) > > Can anyone lend opinions on D&D? > > How about Micron? > > I'm basically trolling for info. right now because the wallet is light > right now. I am also weighing the difference between full and > slip-on, although I shudder at $1k for a full system. I think it > would be great to get a ceramic coated type to reduce the rear > cylinder cooking effect of the VFR. BTW, why can't you ever feel it > in the winter??!! > > I'm kind of tired of the VFR list with it's "The VFR is the best bike > in the world & all others suck" attitude. I just want info. Most of > the time it's ok but when they get on a rant. . . It took forever to > get off the "Statune exhaust slip on gives no performance gain" > thread. Thanks. > > John Carver > '98 VFR > GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 11:58:59 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13066 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27559; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197972@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'FAAS, BRAD'" , Boiade , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:58:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Brad, Let me know what you guys find is wrong with the beastie.... Since I still haven't picked up a black box for mine, you're more than welcome to borrow parts to get yours going for the weekend and until replacement parts are available... Let me know... I have spares of almost everything else... Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: FAAS, BRAD [SMTP:brad.faas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 11:52 AM > To: Boiade; dc-cycles > Subject: RE: Saturday Ride > > --Brad > '98 Ninja 500 > (Not kicking so well right now) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 12:10:36 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13470 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA07334; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:09:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980921160929.SRJZ31405@XXXXXX>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:09:29 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:08:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bde57a$1d2b7500$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2DA@BADGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Nothing happened to the world dear, just you. Riding a motorcycle opens the world up to new, varied, and in this case sometimes rather unpleasent happenings. Some people just DON'T LIKE MOTORCYCLES. I've said this many times before, and it is why I could give a rats ass about what cagers think about motorcyclists. They don't get it and will never get it, unless they take an active interest in our sport. This guy, aside from being a complete shit, is obviously carrying a chip on his shoulder concerning bikes and bikers. Forget him. Not worth getting bent over. Hope Tom and bike are ok. Todd Jeanette O'Brien wrote: > but I was wrong. > > Yesterday Tom & I were heading out of the Pentagon City Mall parking > lot... (don't ask...) ; ) > when Tom slipped on some antifreeze going about 5 mph, tops. His bike > immediately went down, with him under it. > Well, some guy who was basically going around Tom at the time taking a > left turn immediately yells at him, "What the f&*^ were you doing, > ass*^((&!" Then the guy proceeded to not only continue cussing him out > but began cussing me out as well. I'll tell you, he was lucky he didn't > get out of his cage!! I finally yelled at him, "Go AWAY!!" "He didn't > hit you! What the hell do you want!?" Then he yelled at me, "F*(^ > YOU!!...what in the f(^* were you two doing!!??" Of course, I was > simply sitting there so I have no idea what he thought I was supposedly > doing. I then asked him (in a loud voice, mind you) where the hell his > human decency went when there is a guy laying in the middle of the > street under a motorcycle!! I mean, usually, when someone gets hit or > goes down or has ANY type of accident, I will at LEAST ask if they're > OKAY. Jeez, I'm getting burnt up just writing this. > > What has happened to the world? > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 12:35:02 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14391 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lciuo.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.216]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08441 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980921123319.006d69c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:33:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Yesterday's Mishap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Seems that the VFR is cursed(or I am) as this is the second time this month that something has happened to my now not so perfect paint job. :-( Pulled out of Pentagon City to get to another parking lot, braked for the person in front of me(who later lost all sense of human compassion) and instantly went down as the front wheel hit some antifreeze. Lucky for me that I was wearing my jacket(I should hae been wearing leather pants but oh well) as I fell right on my arm... the armor did it's job to the fullest. It all happended within a blink of an eye. The VFR didn't do as well... here's the damage report: scratced upper right next to brake lever gouged brake lever cracked and scratched lower right near fastening point to upper broken rear brake lever cracked tail section(easily fixed) scratched Yosh canister cracked windscreen busted fairing stay on the other side of the bike(fell on right side, go figure) Since everything is fiberglass it shouldn't be too hard to fix... just a bunch of sanding really. The messed up part is the paint... Cost me a chunk of change... now it needs to be prestty much redone. As for me... as long as I wear shorts for the next couple of days my knee won't be complaining as much. I thought that the muscle pain was pretty much gone but I guess the Alieve was just doing its job as now the soreness is setting in. At least I can walk right today. Keep wearing that leather folks!! -Tom '86 VFR750...not as pretty as before... 'sniff From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 12:42:21 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14831 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Our trip to PA Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:39:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I'm in for the next run to PA. Glenn > Let me add that Zbig kept to his word that we'd travel no faster than > 10-20mph over the limits posted, which made for a pleasent sightseeing > journey. Wow, imagine that, there is actually something to look at in PA > :p > > Rt 533 is probably fairly representative of old mountain pass roads in PA. > The DOT simply lays tarmac over whatever is in the way. Grading? We > don't > need no steenking Grading. Imagine sharp moguls from 2-5 feet in height. > Posted speed is 30mph, which is enough to put a grin on your face. > Throttle > at the top of each mogul and its air-born time/easy wheelies. WhoooHooo! > > Coming back south via 75, I took advantage of clearly opened roads at > triple > digits. No complaints from Zbig and/or Jon either :) > > I think PA, some bad roads aside, is worth exploring further. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 12:42:23 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14832 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zL92Y-0002Zs-00; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:42:18 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:41:24 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2EC@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:38:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You know, I think your theory just may have some validity. It seems like the worst does come out in people when I'm on my bike... - Jeannette > Some people just DON'T LIKE MOTORCYCLES. > > I've said this many times before, and it is why I could give a rats > ass > about what cagers think about motorcyclists. They don't get it and > will > never get it, unless they take an active interest in our sport. > > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 12:49:55 1998 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15173 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 3WXYa06218 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:49:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Fred ... what date?? In a message dated 9/21/98 7:13:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Saturday Ride > Date: 9/21/98 7:13:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Depending on weather, marital commitments etc., I am toying with the idea > of > organizing a very informal ride through Southern Maryland with Annapolis as > the halfway point. I think some of you from Virginia and Northern Maryland > might enjoy the roads. Those of you from Southern Maryland are probably > familiar with these roads but might enjoy them too. > > Meeting place would be a Roy Rogers a mile north of the Junction of Route 4 > and Route 301, on the right on Route 301. Route 4 is an exit on the beltway > so > it's easy to get to. Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10. > > Itinerary would be from 301, South on Croom Road to Charles County, across > the > causeway over Patuxent River to Calvert county and Prince Frederick, North > through Calvert County (a little boring) to Anne Arundel and to Annapolis > (fun). Returning through Anne Arundel and Prince Georges county (quite fun) > back to RR's. > > Brisk pace but slow when the road gets straight so everyone can catch up. > Should be done by 2 or 3 o'clock at the latest. > > Anyone interested? > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 13:04:15 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15653 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01104 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:05:21 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1197973@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Non-Moto: Computer geek question Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:05:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey all, Does nayone out there know if there is an application that will do a partial open or recovery of an Excel 97 spreadsheet?? Our IRM guy asked me if I know, but I'm not to worldly wise about Office 97 stuff.... Thanks for any help Collin (Leon: Feel free to give Cliff Clark a hard time..he's the one asking... ) From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 13:06:59 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15735 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809211706.NAA15735@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A78631021C; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:06:17 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:04:32 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... In-Reply-To: <000901bde57a$1d2b7500$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2DA@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:08 PM 9/21/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >Some people just DON'T LIKE MOTORCYCLES. > >I've said this many times before, and it is why I could give a rats ass >about what cagers think about motorcyclists. They don't get it and will >never get it, unless they take an active interest in our sport. On the other hand, maybe people who live next to "loud pipes" riders think all bikes are loud and hate them for that -- or may be they live next to squids who buy loud sport bikes, race them in the street, and wreck them every week. There's lots of reasons/excuses people can hate motorcycles, and with human memory most easily remembering the exceptions that stand out it's easy to see why they wouldn't remember that motorcyclists are people, too. Personally, I try to help people remember we're people. And don't limit motorcycling to only a "sport" - motorcycles are great transportation devices, with a lot to offer in over-crowded areas. Chris Norloff P.S. Remember that wreck in the northbound I-95 HOV lanes a few months ago? A woman was hurt, lying in the road, with traffic driving next to her body. Finally an Army officer stopped and shielded her with his car and his body - commuters were cussing him out and flipping him off for delaying them. All that had nothing to do with bikes, but that was the same kind of people Tom & Jeanette met. We need more people like that Army officer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 13:17:43 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16154 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:18:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:18:35 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: zbig@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Our trip to PA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Being a former PA resident, 24 years, I agree. PA is worth exploring. = That's exactly how most of the roads are up there. I've suggested that = they change the signs that greet visitors to "Welcome to Pennsylvania, = Home of the Never-ending Pothole." :-) What do you think? Too bad I = didn't have a bike up there during those 24 years, well, at least the last = 8. hehe The couple times I've been home on the bike, I haven't had much = time to go exploring. Scooter >>> "Todd Peer" 09/21/98 11:18AM >>> Let me add that Zbig kept to his word that we'd travel no faster than 10-20mph over the limits posted, which made for a pleasent sightseeing journey. Wow, imagine that, there is actually something to look at in PA = :p Rt 533 is probably fairly representative of old mountain pass roads in PA. The DOT simply lays tarmac over whatever is in the way. Grading? We = don't need no steenking Grading. Imagine sharp moguls from 2-5 feet in height. Posted speed is 30mph, which is enough to put a grin on your face. = Throttle at the top of each mogul and its air-born time/easy wheelies. WhoooHooo! Coming back south via 75, I took advantage of clearly opened roads at = triple digits. No complaints from Zbig and/or Jon either :) I think PA, some bad roads aside, is worth exploring further. Todd Zbig Wrote: > > Short report from pennsylvania trip. > > > present: Todd Peer ST 1100 > Jon Schumer YZF 600 > Zbigniew T. XX 1100 > > > Well, total trip was about 300 miles of ridign together. > > > Thank you guys - that was a nice day. ( if not my headache it would be > great ! ) > > _zjt > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 13:31:06 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16938 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:32:28 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:32:11 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yesterday's Mishap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sorry to hear about your accident. If your knee is scraped up, after a = couple days of Neosporin, use Cocoa Butter with Vitamin E. Works wonders. Scooter >>> "Thomas W. Zell" 09/21/98 12:33PM >>> Seems that the VFR is cursed(or I am) as this is the second time this = month that something has happened to my now not so perfect paint job. :-( Pulled out of Pentagon City to get to another parking lot, braked for the person in front of me(who later lost all sense of human compassion) and instantly went down as the front wheel hit some antifreeze. Lucky for me that I was wearing my jacket(I should hae been wearing leather pants but = oh well) as I fell right on my arm... the armor did it's job to the fullest. It all happended within a blink of an eye. The VFR didn't do as well... here's the damage report: scratced upper right next to brake lever gouged brake lever cracked and scratched lower right near fastening point to upper broken rear brake lever cracked tail section(easily fixed) scratched Yosh canister cracked windscreen busted fairing stay on the other side of the bike(fell on right side, go figure) Since everything is fiberglass it shouldn't be too hard to fix... just a bunch of sanding really. The messed up part is the paint... Cost me a chunk of change... now it needs to be prestty much redone. As for me... as long as I wear shorts for the next couple of days my knee won't be complaining as much. I thought that the muscle pain was pretty much gone but I guess the Alieve was just doing its job as now the = soreness is setting in. At least I can walk right today. =20 Keep wearing that leather folks!! -Tom '86 VFR750...not as pretty as before... 'sniff From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 13:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17059 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:37:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WTEZa02115; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95a2d580.36068e90@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:36:16 EDT To: merscht@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Now Sunday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/21/98 11:40:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, merscht@XXXXXX writes: << Me like. Tom M. (aka "only one who finished the big breakfast at IHOP last Saturday"....burp :) >> A few people have preferred Sunday so if no one objects too strongly I can do it on Sunday. BTW How did you do that, I gave half of mine away and didn't eat the pancakes and I was so full at lunch I didn't eat. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 13:41:16 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17301 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:41:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3TOYa22617; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8aaa4f04.36068f41@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:39:13 EDT To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Now Sunday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/21/98 12:56:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, OsbornKev@XXXXXX writes: << Fred ... what date?? >> Sunday now it would be September 27, same time. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 13:50:56 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17586 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26076 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:51:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199809211751.NAA26076@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:50:59 -0400 Subject: Route 638? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) While browsing around in Street Atlas I happened to notice Route 638, which goes from Rte 17 (near the Shenandoah) to Rte 55 in Linden, VA. It looks pretty interesting! Before I head out there to check it out, I thought I'd ask about it here... save me from getting 1/2 way up a mountain to find out the road turns to gravel! :-) Thanks, Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 13:57:45 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17954 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA23845; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:57:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980921175701.TWCU31405@XXXXXX>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:57:01 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bde589$231682c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199809211706.NAA15735@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:08 PM 9/21/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >Some people just DON'T LIKE MOTORCYCLES. > > > >I've said this many times before, and it is why I could give a rats ass > >about what cagers think about motorcyclists. They don't get it and will > >never get it, unless they take an active interest in our sport. > > > On the other hand, maybe people who live next to "loud pipes" riders think > all bikes are loud and hate them for that -- or may be they live next to > squids who buy loud sport bikes, race them in the street, and wreck them > every week. Their problem isn't it? Hastily generalising that 'ALL' motorcycles and motorcyclists are a target for hate verges on outright prejudice. I don't like it, nor do I entertain it. > > There's lots of reasons/excuses people can hate motorcycles, and > with human > memory most easily remembering the exceptions that stand out it's easy to > see why they wouldn't remember that motorcyclists are people, too. > Personally, I try to help people remember we're people. > Fine. And fwiw if someone takes an interest in me/my bike, I too will don my motorcycle ambassadors cap and be the best I can. Aside from personal one/on/one and just generally behaving yourself on the road, you are still just another 'motorcyclist'. And some people HATE MOTORCYCLISTS! > And don't limit motorcycling to only a "sport" - motorcycles are great > transportation devices, with a lot to offer in over-crowded areas. Please, Chris. You know what I mean. I commute everyday too. Sheesh! > > Chris Norloff > > > P.S. Remember that wreck in the northbound I-95 HOV lanes a few > months ago? > A woman was hurt, lying in the road, with traffic driving next to her > body. Finally an Army officer stopped and shielded her with his car and > his body - commuters were cussing him out and flipping him off > for delaying > them. All that had nothing to do with bikes, but that was the > same kind of > people Tom & Jeanette met. > > We need more people like that Army officer. Absolutely! This goes to everyone reading this. If you EVER come across this type of situation, please stop. We saw what appeared to be a bad accident on our way home Saturday. There were a number of people already stopped (very cool), and I wondered if they needed a cell phone (I happened to not be using it at the time :), looked around and noted the many residences around. So we kept on. T From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 14:23:01 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18864 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F4504229B9E5@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: speedometer calibration? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:19:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can this be done for a motorcycle? Note that mine's run off the front wheel, not a countershaft pick-up like newer bikes. If so, names/phone numbers/addresses/etc would be appreciated... Thanks.. :-) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 14:34:13 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19443 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:33:14 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F21@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Not a CAMS for nothin' Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:36:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Light dinner the night before, wait breakfast until about 3-4 hours after usual time, stuff yourself, ride uncomfortably for the first half-hour or so. More seriously, I used to lift intensively and I didn't want to use the high-calorie/protein supplements so I would occasionally, uh, ya know, like, have an entire chicken and some other stuff for lunch. On the up side, it did disgust some of my coworkers =:0 > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 1:36 PM > To: merscht@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Now Sunday > > In a message dated 9/21/98 11:40:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > merscht@XXXXXX writes: > > << Me like. > Tom M. (aka "only one who finished the big breakfast at IHOP last > Saturday"....burp :) > >> > > A few people have preferred Sunday so if no one objects too strongly I can > do > it on Sunday. > > BTW How did you do that, I gave half of mine away and didn't eat the > pancakes > and I was so full at lunch I didn't eat. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 14:34:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19495 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06720 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07180 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tstraining3 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA10506 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809211834.OAA10506@smtp2.erols.com> X-Sender: sled@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:42:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wes Fleming Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... In-Reply-To: <000d01bde589$231682c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> References: <199809211706.NAA15735@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know what you mean, Todd...I try to be as un-stereotypically "biker" as possible when people ask me about my bike or I walk up to it while they're looking at it. I make sure I always wave at kids in cars (they seem to be drawn to motorcycles), hoping that someday they'll not hate bikes & bikers...call it indoctrination if you will. By the way, commuting on a motorcycle is, for me, the only bearable way to commute. I hate commuting with a passion, but doing it on my bike makes it almost tolerable. Of course, it could be that whole getting-to-use-the-HOV-lane thing, but... w > Fine. And fwiw if someone takes an interest in me/my bike, I too will don >my motorcycle > ambassadors cap and be the best I can. Aside from personal one/on/one and >just generally > behaving yourself on the road, you are still just another 'motorcyclist'. >And some people > HATE MOTORCYCLISTS! > >> And don't limit motorcycling to only a "sport" - motorcycles are great >> transportation devices, with a lot to offer in over-crowded areas. > > Please, Chris. You know what I mean. I commute everyday too. Sheesh! Wes Fleming, MA sled@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" Yes, the helmet matches on purpose. No, my wife did NOT pick it out for me. http://shadow.newspeak.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 14:42:15 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19709 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:40:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: speedometer calibration? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:39:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Brian, I've been through all this. Your best bet is to just have some motorcycle shop fix your "faulty speedometer" and get the receipt. Since most bikes get the speed from the front wheel there is no way to do a calibration. Glenn > Can this be done for a motorcycle? Note that mine's run off the front > wheel, not a countershaft pick-up like newer bikes. If so, names/phone > numbers/addresses/etc would be appreciated... Thanks.. :-) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 14:56:28 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20439 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809211856.OAA20439@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A158238023C; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:56:24 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:01:00 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: speedometer calibration? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:19 PM 9/21/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >Can this be done for a motorcycle? Note that mine's run off the front >wheel, not a countershaft pick-up like newer bikes. If so, names/phone >numbers/addresses/etc would be appreciated... Thanks.. :-) That would depend on what kind of calibration you want. 1. A certificate from a calibration shop, to show how you got a speeding ticket? I'd check the Yellow Pages. Different front tire diameters will affect your speedo/odo reading. A taller tire (taller profile) makes the speedo read slow. 2. To calibrate your existing speedo - travel over a measured course (interstate mile markers or map coordinates) - the speedo reads the same, but now you know what it means. 3. To know exactly how fast/far you're going - use a bicycle computer-based speedo. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 15:09:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20944 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07303 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08507 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zLBKn-0005vC-00; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:09:17 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:08:20 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2F3@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Wes Fleming'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:05:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree with you, Wes. I HATE driving! Period. It's annoying. I LOVE riding and it is the only thing that makes my commute bearable, even in bumper to bumper traffic. ...and I always wave at kids, too. : ) The best time, though, was recently when a carload of teenage girls passed me by & started cheering & waving when they realized I was a girl on a bike! : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Wes Fleming [SMTP:sled@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 2:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... > > I know what you mean, Todd...I try to be as un-stereotypically "biker" > as > possible when people ask me about my bike or I walk up to it while > they're > looking at it. I make sure I always wave at kids in cars (they seem > to be > drawn to motorcycles), hoping that someday they'll not hate bikes & > bikers...call it indoctrination if you will. > > By the way, commuting on a motorcycle is, for me, the only bearable > way to > commute. I hate commuting with a passion, but doing it on my bike > makes it > almost tolerable. Of course, it could be that whole > getting-to-use-the-HOV-lane thing, but... > > w > > > > Wes Fleming, MA > sled@XXXXXX > '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" > Yes, the helmet matches on purpose. > No, my wife did NOT pick it out for me. > http://shadow.newspeak.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 15:25:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21440 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07605 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09089 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 157; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:24:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980921152448.00c2fdf0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:24:50 -0400 To: Wes Fleming , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wes doesnt mention that he is about 6'2", 250 lbs and Bald. With a cool goatee. He also used to be my housemate :-) Since I got my bike, I ride it to work every day that it doesnt rain, or that I needed the cage to haul something during the day. Too bad Winter is coming :-( At 02:42 PM 9/21/98 -0400, Wes Fleming wrote: >I know what you mean, Todd...I try to be as un-stereotypically "biker" as >possible when people ask me about my bike or I walk up to it while they're >looking at it. I make sure I always wave at kids in cars (they seem to be >drawn to motorcycles), hoping that someday they'll not hate bikes & >bikers...call it indoctrination if you will. > >By the way, commuting on a motorcycle is, for me, the only bearable way to >commute. I hate commuting with a passion, but doing it on my bike makes it >almost tolerable. Of course, it could be that whole >getting-to-use-the-HOV-lane thing, but... > >w > >> Fine. And fwiw if someone takes an interest in me/my bike, I too will don >>my motorcycle >> ambassadors cap and be the best I can. Aside from personal one/on/one and >>just generally >> behaving yourself on the road, you are still just another 'motorcyclist'. >>And some people >> HATE MOTORCYCLISTS! >> >>> And don't limit motorcycling to only a "sport" - motorcycles are great >>> transportation devices, with a lot to offer in over-crowded areas. >> >> Please, Chris. You know what I mean. I commute everyday too. Sheesh! > > >Wes Fleming, MA >sled@XXXXXX >'96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" >Yes, the helmet matches on purpose. >No, my wife did NOT pick it out for me. >http://shadow.newspeak.org > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 15:48:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22495 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07903 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10228 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id MAA22919 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:48:16 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:48:16 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF1A9500@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:48:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > The best time, though, was recently when a carload of teenage girls > passed me by & started cheering & waving when they realized I > was a girl on a bike! : ) Ah, the social responsibilities of being a role model... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 17:41:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27004 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09389 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14276 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA23930; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809212143.RAA23930@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Saturday Ride To: HolmesM@XXXXXX (Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" at Sep 21, 98 08:05:24 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > I'm a newbie to the list, and haven't been able to hitch up with a group > ride yet. This one is pretty close to me (by comparison to other trips), > sounds interesting and if you don't mind a list-rookie, this might be a good > chance to meet some of you. > > Just don't leave me too much in the dust. > > BTW, I ride a 1986 Honda Magna 700. Is this appropriate for this trip? > I hope so - I just love old magnas.... _zjt From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:28:57 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29066 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:28:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WEMLa02083; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:27:48 EDT To: merscht@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Not a CAMS for nothin' Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/21/98 2:40:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merscht@XXXXXX writes: << More seriously, I used to lift intensively and I didn't want to use the high-calorie/protein supplements so I would occasionally, uh, ya know, like, have an entire chicken and some other stuff for lunch. >> Actually, after sharing my "vegetable" omelet, I probably could have eaten the pancakes but I would have regretted it later as my leathers would have been tight.LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:33:06 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29118 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p86.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.86]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA13490 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:33:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3606CC54.4611@flash.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:59:48 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: BMW fun References: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F1D@RBMAIL103> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mersch, Tom wrote: > I finally got into my favorite BMW dealer to get an estimate on repairing > the damage done to my K12 on the AutoTrain when the Amtrak folks secured it > unevenly (and it fell down and went boom scrape bounce during some portion > of the 15 hour trip). Three years ago a telephone agent told me in no uncertain terms that the AutoTrain did not transport motorcycles. What happened? Do they charge extra? Maybe I'll plan on using the AutoTrain for the first time this winter. Any tips or advice? Can I oversee/assist the securing tiedown? Thanks. Lee From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:33:10 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29121 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p86.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.86]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA13526 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:33:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3606D2F1.38E9@flash.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:28:02 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA1A2DA@BADGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette, You and Tom handled the situation well. I probably would have yelled something like "THANKS for your concern!" Then the jerk would have gotten out of his car and kicked me for a while. Peter, >Fear (not hate) is the opposite of love. That's pretty deep, man. I always considered apathy the opposite of love. What's the opposite of hate...... Lee From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:34:01 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29138 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr51-dialup50.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EZN007CPNZCYQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:33:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:29:46 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Saturday Ride To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00a201bde5c8$7cbe2d20$b24f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Fred, count me in!! I'll ride Sat. or Sun., whatever's best for everybody. Jon 92' FZR 600 -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 4:21 AM Subject: Saturday Ride >Depending on weather, marital commitments etc., I am toying with the idea of >organizing a very informal ride through Southern Maryland with Annapolis as >the halfway point. I think some of you from Virginia and Northern Maryland >might enjoy the roads. Those of you from Southern Maryland are probably >familiar with these roads but might enjoy them too. > >Meeting place would be a Roy Rogers a mile north of the Junction of Route 4 >and Route 301, on the right on Route 301. Route 4 is an exit on the beltway so >it's easy to get to. Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10. > >Itinerary would be from 301, South on Croom Road to Charles County, across the >causeway over Patuxent River to Calvert county and Prince Frederick, North >through Calvert County (a little boring) to Anne Arundel and to Annapolis >(fun). Returning through Anne Arundel and Prince Georges county (quite fun) >back to RR's. > >Brisk pace but slow when the road gets straight so everyone can catch up. >Should be done by 2 or 3 o'clock at the latest. > >Anyone interested? > >Ciao, > >Fred > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:38:33 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29518 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:38:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EBDNa02115; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:37:21 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Now Sunday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Jon, apparently nobody complained about Sunday and Sunday allows some of the people who work on Saturdays to ride, so Sunday it is. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:41:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29535 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10059 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16272 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr51-dialup50.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EZN00BQVOCPRZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:41:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:37:46 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: pro-long? To: "Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00a701bde5c9$9ae92600$b24f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >What's everyone think of putting Pro-long in a mc engine? Worked great in >two cages of mine. Any thoughts? >JT I wouldn't put that sh*t in any engine. Especially a bike with a wet clutch. That stuff leaves a plastic-like residue behind that can't be good. You might not think it's doing any harm now, but wait till the engine has some mileage on it. Stick to good old petrol, synthetic, or synthetic blend. I wouldn't even put any oil additives in there either. Well, that's just my opinion...... Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:47:39 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29733 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr51-dialup50.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EZN0012VOMCY6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:47:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:43:34 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Our trip to PA To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00ae01bde5ca$69e965a0$b24f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >I think PA, some bad roads aside, is worth exploring further. > >Todd Yeah, PA has some potential. It's an untapped resource and it's really not that far away. I didn't see any cop's either........ Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:50:17 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29992 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr51-dialup50.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EZN00AUQOQG6G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:49:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:46:02 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Now Sunday To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00bd01bde5ca$c26fc020$b24f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 That will work. Woohoo, the day before my birthday! I'll be looking forward to the ride. 8^) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Now Sunday >Jon, apparently nobody complained about Sunday and Sunday allows some of the >people who work on Saturdays to ride, so Sunday it is. > >Ciao, > >Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:54:57 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from brap-3.cais.net (brap-3.cais.net [205.252.14.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00105 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (dynamic231.cais.com [207.226.56.231]) by brap-3.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17442 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201bde5cb$5a99e9c0$e738e2cf@default> From: "Mike B." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:33:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Jeannette, Take some consolation in the fact that this guy has to go through life being the way he is, that is to say his life must be pretty miserable. People like that are their own punishment. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 6:32 AM Subject: I Thought I'd Seen the Worst... >but I was wrong. > >Yesterday Tom & I were heading out of the Pentagon City Mall parking >lot... (don't ask...) ; ) >when Tom slipped on some antifreeze going about 5 mph, tops. His bike >immediately went down, with him under it. >Well, some guy who was basically going around Tom at the time taking a >left turn immediately yells at him, "What the f&*^ were you doing, >ass*^((&!" Then the guy proceeded to not only continue cussing him out >but began cussing me out as well. I'll tell you, he was lucky he didn't >get out of his cage!! I finally yelled at him, "Go AWAY!!" "He didn't >hit you! What the hell do you want!?" Then he yelled at me, "F*(^ >YOU!!...what in the f(^* were you two doing!!??" Of course, I was >simply sitting there so I have no idea what he thought I was supposedly >doing. I then asked him (in a loud voice, mind you) where the hell his >human decency went when there is a guy laying in the middle of the >street under a motorcycle!! I mean, usually, when someone gets hit or >goes down or has ANY type of accident, I will at LEAST ask if they're >OKAY. Jeez, I'm getting burnt up just writing this. > >What has happened to the world? > >- Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:54:56 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from brap-3.cais.net (brap-3.cais.net [205.252.14.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00104 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (dynamic231.cais.com [207.226.56.231]) by brap-3.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17435 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000001bde5cb$58d640c0$e738e2cf@default> From: "Mike B." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Yesterday's Mishap Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:25:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ooohhh man, Sorry too hear about your spill, I hate that sort of thing cause theres nothing you can do to change it. glad your not too damaged tho... Mike B. 98 ZX900R -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Zell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 9:46 AM Subject: Yesterday's Mishap >Seems that the VFR is cursed(or I am) as this is the second time this month >that something has happened to my now not so perfect paint job. :-( > >Pulled out of Pentagon City to get to another parking lot, braked for the >person in front of me(who later lost all sense of human compassion) and >instantly went down as the front wheel hit some antifreeze. Lucky for me >that I was wearing my jacket(I should hae been wearing leather pants but oh >well) as I fell right on my arm... the armor did it's job to the fullest. >It all happended within a blink of an eye. > >The VFR didn't do as well... here's the damage report: > >scratced upper right next to brake lever >gouged brake lever >cracked and scratched lower right near fastening point to upper >broken rear brake lever >cracked tail section(easily fixed) >scratched Yosh canister >cracked windscreen >busted fairing stay on the other side of the bike(fell on right side, go >figure) > >Since everything is fiberglass it shouldn't be too hard to fix... just a >bunch of sanding really. The messed up part is the paint... Cost me a >chunk of change... now it needs to be prestty much redone. > >As for me... as long as I wear shorts for the next couple of days my knee >won't be complaining as much. I thought that the muscle pain was pretty >much gone but I guess the Alieve was just doing its job as now the soreness >is setting in. At least I can walk right today. > >Keep wearing that leather folks!! >-Tom >'86 VFR750...not as pretty as before... 'sniff > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 18:58:13 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from brap-3.cais.net (brap-3.cais.net [205.252.14.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00227 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (dynamic231.cais.com [207.226.56.231]) by brap-3.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17574; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01bde5cb$d147b020$e738e2cf@default> From: "Mike B." To: "Chez" , "JP Picchiottino" , "John&Dianne" , "Franco Benedict" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Test,... 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDE591.23918580-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 19:00:10 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00538 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id ENRQa03120; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8aaa193.3606da3a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:59:06 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Now Sunday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/21/98 6:49:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Woohoo, the day before my birthday! >> Don't expect presents, it won't be your birthday.LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 19:09:37 1998 Return-Path: khafre@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00900 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-37-122.s122.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.122]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13259 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3606DB96.73F9567B@erols.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:04:54 -0400 From: "John A. Wilson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday Ride References: <69ffe92e.36063381@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Count me in! John '93 Katana 750 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Depending on weather, marital commitments etc., I am toying with the idea of > organizing a very informal ride through Southern Maryland with Annapolis as > the halfway point. I think some of you from Virginia and Northern Maryland > might enjoy the roads. Those of you from Southern Maryland are probably > familiar with these roads but might enjoy them too. > > Meeting place would be a Roy Rogers a mile north of the Junction of Route 4 > and Route 301, on the right on Route 301. Route 4 is an exit on the beltway so > it's easy to get to. Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10. > > Itinerary would be from 301, South on Croom Road to Charles County, across the > causeway over Patuxent River to Calvert county and Prince Frederick, North > through Calvert County (a little boring) to Anne Arundel and to Annapolis > (fun). Returning through Anne Arundel and Prince Georges county (quite fun) > back to RR's. > > Brisk pace but slow when the road gets straight so everyone can catch up. > Should be done by 2 or 3 o'clock at the latest. > > Anyone interested? > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 19:20:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01409 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10416 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17175 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr51-dialup50.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EZN00O1TQ4L8S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:16:06 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: MC Exhausts --D&D, Micron, etc. To: "Carver, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00c201bde5ce$f5c9aae0$b24f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 It's hard to find an objective evaluation of exhausts. You could do what Collin said and ask Dynojet(www.dynojet.com), and/or Factory(www.factorypro.com/). They do lots of research on different bikes/exhausts and what kind of performance they have. If you want good sound and gain a little mid-range, get a slip-on. You won't have to rejet/reprogram your bike and they are A LOT cheaper. A full header/pipe system will usually give you a good gain up top, but you can expect to lose some low-end/mid-range power. I would only get a full system if your looking for the most power in the upper rev range. You'll probably have to rejet/reprogram also(more $$). If you want ceramic coated headers, you can do it to your stock headers. Track Auto sell hi-temp. ceramic coating in a spray can. I coated my D&D headers this spring(mainly because the chrome turned blue and rusty), but I don't know if it's running any cooler than before. Another way you can decrease the header heat is to wrap them with that special exhaust wrap. Lockhart Phillips sells it, but don't know how much it is. Wrapping them will also increase hp( 8^D ), but they will be prone to rust underneath after some time. I haven't had any problems with my D&D, unlike Kirk, but I don't have a Hawk either. Just to let you know, D&D's are VERY loud. If you don't like a loud pipe, don't get it. The chrome is also high maintenance, likes to rust if not polished often. Good luck Jon -----Original Message----- From: Carver, John To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 8:18 AM Subject: MC Exhausts --D&D, Micron, etc. >Does anyone know of an objective source for performance evaluations >for MC exhaust systems, slip-ons and otherwise? > >That begs the question of what I'm looking for. Well, I'm primarily >looking for better sound with the hopes I could gain some mid-range >performance if possible. (60 - 80 acceleration) > >Can anyone lend opinions on D&D? > >How about Micron? > >I'm basically trolling for info. right now because the wallet is light >right now. I am also weighing the difference between full and >slip-on, although I shudder at $1k for a full system. I think it >would be great to get a ceramic coated type to reduce the rear >cylinder cooking effect of the VFR. BTW, why can't you ever feel it >in the winter??!! > >I'm kind of tired of the VFR list with it's "The VFR is the best bike >in the world & all others suck" attitude. I just want info. Most of >the time it's ok but when they get on a rant. . . It took forever to >get off the "Statune exhaust slip on gives no performance gain" > thread. Thanks. > >John Carver >'98 VFR >GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 19:20:36 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01420 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:20:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id UHJFa06219; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6458c91e.3606df00@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:19:28 EDT To: khafre@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/21/98 7:17:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, khafre@XXXXXX writes: << Count me in! John '93 Katana 750 >> Good, look forward to meeting you. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 19:32:46 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01971 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:19:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: BMW fun Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:18:50 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bde5b6$30eeb200$3080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3606CC54.4611@flash.net> Importance: Normal Couldn't tell you the specifics, but Steve Anderson at Morton's used them a year or two ago to go to a rally in Fla. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Powell [mailto:leerider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 6:00 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: BMW fun > > > Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > I finally got into my favorite BMW dealer to get an estimate on > repairing > > the damage done to my K12 on the AutoTrain when the Amtrak > folks secured it > > unevenly (and it fell down and went boom scrape bounce during > some portion > > of the 15 hour trip). > > Three years ago a telephone agent told me in no uncertain terms that the > AutoTrain did not transport motorcycles. What happened? Do they charge > extra? Maybe I'll plan on using the AutoTrain for the first time this > winter. Any tips or advice? Can I oversee/assist the securing > tiedown? Thanks. > > Lee > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 20:22:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03744 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10990 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18742 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-182-165.s165.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.165]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18344; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809220022.UAA18344@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: , Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:25:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can't we all just get along? (Quoting Rodney King) Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: The Squid inside - TL speedo - ranting > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 12:57 PM > > In a message dated 9/15/98 11:46:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX > writes: > > Hey, I've exchanged words with Glenn in the past (local vs. mail order) but > after tempers calmed down, he's helped me out with the names of a few > places. I think most of us on the list are a bit arrogant about our choices > and our ideas. Glenn is just maybe a little more vocal about it. No big > deal. > > << When Glenn and I were fighting a few weeks back, I considered this. But, in > retrospect, I'm quite glad I didn't. We're all a bunch of shit-slingers on > this list. I'm sure that if you met Glenn in person, you'd find out that > he's just a normal guy like the rest of us (sorry ladies, you know what I > mean:) I could be wrong, but I really doubt it. > > And, FWIW, even if Glenn is the biggest sack of human excrement on the face > of the planet, I'd rather spend twenty minutes with him than give ACP > another $50 to mount a tire. >> > > thank you. well said.... > > I know jack, and he's a good guy. I havent met glenn, but from what ive read, > he's just like everyone else on the list. Anyway, I hate seeing you guys > fight, it just makes things awkward when we all get together. > > Sean... > 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 20:44:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04765 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11200 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19135 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA21258; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:43:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv11-01.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.1) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021139; Mon Sep 21 19:43:09 1998 Message-ID: <3606F277.82FCE44D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:42:31 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DUI vs. DWI - In Va. References: <199809211253.IAA23000@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its only a matter of semantics, DWI meant Driving While Intoxicated, when the law was expanded to include prescription/non presciption drugs and recreational drugs, the name was changed to Driving Under the Influence. Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:36 AM 9/19/98 -0400, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > >I was told the other day that DUI and DWI are two separate charges; driving > >under the influence, (the lesser of two, or so I was told), is just what it > >says. Doesn't mean you're legally drunk, just means you've been drinking. The > >nasty one is Driving while intoxicated, and means you ARE legally drunk and > >then bad things happen. No confirmation, though. Anyone care to shed some > >light on the subject? > > > >-Sean Jordan > > Heck, read the law yourself. It's probably online with the rest of the > laws at > http://leg1.state.va.us/ > > Chris Norloff -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 21:23:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06290 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11536 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19782 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:23:16 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id VAA06824 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:23:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199809220123.VAA06824@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:23:23 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:23:23 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:23:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:20:04 -0400 Subject: unsubscribe info please To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME sorry for the off topic folks but I lost my unsubscribe info and I'm leaving this more honorable place of employ very soon and need to unsubscribe from here...can someone please email the address? ..thanks, -aki From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 22:05:45 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07977 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.10]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 97 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:04:51 -0400 Message-ID: <360706A2.5434C224@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:08:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Our trip to PA References: <00ae01bde5ca$69e965a0$b24f37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd wrote: > > >I think PA, some bad roads aside, is worth exploring further. And Jon replied: > > Yeah, PA has some potential. It's an untapped resource and it's really > not that far away. I didn't see any cop's either........ Well, having grown up in PA, the land of the pothole, I can honestly tell you that there's a grain of truth in the saying "Yeah, Pennsylvania is a good state to be from, *FAR, FAR FROM*! :) Actually, I grew up in the N.W. part of the state, way out in the boonies. Not much in the way of interesting roads out that way, but south central PA does have potential. I've been thinking about hosting a ride up to Penn State, my alma mater, one of these non-football weekends, (a nice route exists from Cumberland, MD, courtesy of Dale Coyner), but haven't gotten around to it yet. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 21 23:08:24 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10436 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-28.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.69]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19987 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:08:17 -0400 Message-ID: <05a901bde5d6$1e02bd60$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Iron Mike's non-start solution Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:06:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Mike Tyson demonstrated a fine, weather-resistant solution to bike non-starting, as seen on a newsclip over the weekend: Throw helmet to ground, stomp over to waiting chauffered Mercedes, drive off. (This after Las Vegas Boxing Commission hearing, at which they required evaluation by an independent psychologist for further consideration.) Oh, for a closeup of the killswitch. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 00:41:29 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14182 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.55]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:38:04 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Our trip to PA Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:37:37 -0400 Message-ID: <004301bde5e2$b94ddfa0$3080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <360706A2.5434C224@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Which route of of Cumberland? I keep meaning to get back to Frostburg, and could do an overnighter up there somewhere. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Actually, I grew up in the N.W. part of the state, way out in the > boonies. Not much in the way of interesting roads out that way, > but south central PA does have potential. I've been thinking about > hosting a ride up to Penn State, my alma mater, one of these > non-football weekends, (a nice route exists from Cumberland, MD, > courtesy of Dale Coyner), but haven't gotten around to it yet. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 05:51:03 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA27155 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3KRIa19215 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <88aefb16.360772e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:50:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sunday Ride (was Saturday ride) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 OK, Day: Sunday September 27 Meeting place: Roy Rogers a mile north of the Junction of Route 4 and Route 301, on the right on Route 301. From the Beltway take the Route 4 (Pennsylvania Ave) South/East i.e. Outbound towards Upper Marlboro. Then take 301 North. Roy Rogers is about 1 mile on the right going North on 301. There is a large Shell Station across 301 from the Roy Rogers as well as other gas stations on the other two corners. Note: There is another Roy Rogers a few miles south of the meeting place one (also on 301 but on the right side southbound) don't wait at that one. Brad, I think you were thinking of that one. Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10. Itinerary would be from 301, South on Croom Road to Charles County, across the causeway over Patuxent River to Calvert county and Prince Frederick, North through Calvert County (a little boring) to Anne Arundel and to Annapolis (fun). Returning through Anne Arundel and Prince Georges county (quite fun) back to RR's. Brisk pace but slow when the road gets straight so everyone can catch up. Should be done by 2 or 3 o'clock at the latest. We should reach Annapolis about lunch time and there is a large selection of restaurants, also the best ice-cream in the Washington-Baltimore area, a place called "Aromi d'Italia". Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 08:21:40 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03436 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12449 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809221220.IAA12449@torrentnet.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5D520801D8; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:19:33 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:59:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: BMW fun In-Reply-To: <3606CC54.4611@flash.net> References: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F1D@RBMAIL103> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:59 PM 9/21/98 -0400, Lee Powell wrote: >Three years ago a telephone agent told me in no uncertain terms that the >AutoTrain did not transport motorcycles. What happened? They suddenly realized that they were in business to make money! The AMA had a big write-up of their decision, and the Amtrak motorcyclist who helped develop the "motorcycle modules" that would have the cycles strapped in, then loaded onto the train. Chris Norloff P.S. Join the AMA! 1-800-AMA-JOIN http://www.ama-cycle.org/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 08:35:16 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03893 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12889 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809221233.IAA12889@torrentnet.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8EA29A0226; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:32:42 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:30:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Bicycle computer speedo calibration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those interested in calibrating speedometers or using bicycle computer speedometers: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cyclecomputer_calibration.html Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 08:39:37 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03960 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14062 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:37:56 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F23@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles Subject: LONG: Amtrak AutoTrain -- Motorcycles (was BMW fun) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:43:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Fire up www.amtrak.com for detailed info (and a link to the online reservation system). Don't know what happened to make them change their minds. As a side note, from talking with passengers and attendants, I get the impression that Amtrak as a whole may or may not be a profitable business, but the AutoTrain part definitely is. Of course, after their liability company gets a bill for $3500.00 for one bike, there may take a renewed stance against transporting them. Motorcycles are loaded onto a channeled (tires in the channel) carrier, up to four bikes per carrier, which is then wheeled or fork-lifted into a train car. You ride your bike onto the carrier and sit on it while it is secured, during which time you can offer advice and directions concerning the job they are doing. You also sit on your bike while it is unsecured and then ride it off of the carrier. My mistake was becoming a little too confident in how well the Lorton station does the tie-down stuff (normally doing a really good job), leaving the bike after they had put only one tie-down on each side of the front. Although Amtrak normally uses two sets of tie-downs on the front, you only need to hold onto your bike for the first set, and if you have confidence in their work, don't have to stay with the bike for the addition of the second set. If you're driving a van or motorcycle, you'll be waiting longer than the car people (pukes), since the vans and bikes have to show up an hour earlier for loading planning purposes (they want to know, based on who shows up, exactly how many of each they will be carrying). The big vehicles and bikes are usually loaded into a train car last, and are usually taken off toward the end of the unloading process. Your AutoTrain experience will thus be about two hours longer than that of the car passengers, four hours round trip. The charge for a bike is less than that for a car is less than that for a van/pickup/SUV, as God intended it. The AutoTrain takes sets -- no passenger without a related vehicle, and no vehicle without a related passenger, so using them as a transport company is out. Tips or advice? Hmmm, lemme think a minute (sound of grinding is heard, growing louder). Think "camping trip on train tracks". The average age of an AutoTrain rider seems to be, um, old fogey. Put the necessities in your tank bank and make it your only carry on besides your helmet/jacket. Hmmm, maybe bring some bottled water and/or a soft drink with you -- you'll get coffee, water (DON'T DRINK IT), during the trip, and iced tea or wine during dinner. Any eating or drinking outside of this you either bring with you or buy on the train (BEEG MONEY ON THE TRAIN -- somewhere between grocery store and stadium/amusement park). All classes of fare give you the opportunity to try to sleep lulled by the rockin' an' rollin' an' grindin' an' screechin' an' horn blowin' of a modern passenger-freight train. Coach class is a prime example of civilization in the wilderness: unless you can sleep in a glorified chair accompanied by the snoring, grunting, and farting of your fellow passengers (who are, simultaneously, being serenaded by you), get out your credit card and get one of the two levels of 1st class accommodation. If you get the less expensive 1st class, note that there are bathrooms downstairs and use them -- way too many people use the one bathroom upstairs, and it quickly develops that outhouse ambiance. If you want the more expensive 1st class, check to make sure that the credit card is one of the better ones, and you'll get a reasonable sized cabin with your own sink and bathroom/shower. Unless you want to attempt contortional gymnastics, subtract one from the number of passengers per cabin that Amtrak claims, thus the lesser 1st class is really not good for more than one person, and the greater 1st class good for two. There are other choices for families. 1st class: Generally, tip the attendant (nominally $5) at the end of the line. If you are not feeling particularly social for dinner (seating is assigned on the spot as you walk into the dining car, so it's a "lady or the tiger" arrangement with someone else choosing the door for you), ask to have your dinner brought to your cabin (and increase the tip). Hope this helps. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Powell [SMTP:leerider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 6:00 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: BMW fun > > Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > I finally got into my favorite BMW dealer to get an estimate on > repairing > > the damage done to my K12 on the AutoTrain when the Amtrak folks secured > it > > unevenly (and it fell down and went boom scrape bounce during some > portion > > of the 15 hour trip). > > Three years ago a telephone agent told me in no uncertain terms that the > AutoTrain did not transport motorcycles. What happened? Do they charge > extra? Maybe I'll plan on using the AutoTrain for the first time this > winter. Any tips or advice? Can I oversee/assist the securing > tiedown? Thanks. > > Lee > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 09:17:12 1998 Return-Path: army_sergeant@XXXXXX Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05691 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980922131800.23648.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.122.54.194] by send103.yahoomail.com; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:18:00 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:18:00 -0700 (PDT) From: James Campbell Subject: PA Roads-Cops/York H-D Plant/Import Pipes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >I think PA, some bad roads aside, is worth exploring further. > >Todd Yeah, PA has some potential. It's an untapped resource and it's really not that far away. I didn't see any cop's either........ Jon Beg to differ. At least in my PA experience (in a cage). When I lived in NYC, I had to traverse PA headed to Indy on at least six different occasions. I got so many speeding tickets that the great state of PA put me on a PAYMENT PLAN. The broke the fines down to a monthly installment and even TOLD ME WHERE MY money was going by percentage(new computer for judge, road signs, etc.) I found a way to traverse the entire width of the state without ever STOPPING FOR ANYTHING. Hard to do in a 305 CI olds with a 4 bbl carb. I would coast into that little "finger of WVA." ALL PA BASHING ASIDE : Hwy 6 in north central PA is one of the best MC roads in the country according to many artiles I've seen. Pristine wilderness with gas stations, resturaunts and hotels sprinkled about. I plan to ride it before we move again. Check your maps for it and see what I mean. --------------CIV----------------------- I know a bunch of you hate Harleys, but if anyone wants to ride a Harley or Buell for free, head to York PA this weekend (fairgrounds, on most maps). The HD plant is having an open house. You can watch grizzly bikers try to pop a wheelie on the new TC 88 Bagger (a guy did it in one of the popular mags recently, LOL) You can also do BattleTrax riding compettition. The York plant info. line number is on the H-D web site. Head up Friday for least amount of standing in line. Saturday for posin', smilin', wavin' etc. -------------CIV------------------------- Wow, you guys are talking some serious $ for Import performance pipes. I thought Thunderheaders for Harleys were VERY expensive at $435.00. So much for imports being less expensive (tounge in cheek) Sarge Ft. Meade, MD 98 FatBoy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 09:54:41 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06993 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 256; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:53:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3607AC1B.99F7BF1A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:54:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Our trip to PA References: <004301bde5e2$b94ddfa0$3080e2cf@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll have to check, I haven't really studied the route yet or anything. Stay tuned for more info. Gotta get a front tire put on before I do much more riding, though. Horkster George Howell wrote: > > Which route of of Cumberland? I keep meaning to get back to Frostburg, and > could do an overnighter up there somewhere. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > Actually, I grew up in the N.W. part of the state, way out in the > > boonies. Not much in the way of interesting roads out that way, > > but south central PA does have potential. I've been thinking about > > hosting a ride up to Penn State, my alma mater, one of these > > non-football weekends, (a nice route exists from Cumberland, MD, > > courtesy of Dale Coyner), but haven't gotten around to it yet. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 10:28:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08615 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20368 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05414 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA11612; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980922142721.XRGF18768@XXXXXX>; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:27:21 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: unsubscribe info please Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:26:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bde635$04123840$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199809220123.VAA06824@egate2.citicorp.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In case you haven't received it yet >P.S. Would the new admin address be >ADMIN ADDRESS: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX ? Yes, postings should be sent to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' and subscribe/unsubscribe or other administrative requests should be sent to 'dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX' . -harry > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [mailto:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 9:20 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: unsubscribe info please > > > > > sorry for the off topic folks but I lost my unsubscribe info > and I'm leaving this more honorable place of employ very soon > and need to unsubscribe from here...can someone please email > the address? > > ..thanks, > -aki > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 10:36:36 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08746 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 248; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:35:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3607B5E5.A51D74AD@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:36:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ALDEAM@XXXXXX CC: COG , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: SaddleSore mileage check References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, Aldea, Michael asked about checking mileage for an IronButt SaddleSore ride: > Is there any list > members with mapping software that will do me the favor of checking my > route's mileage so I don't come up short at the end? Just e-mail me > privately and I'll send you my proposed loop around Pennsylvania for > mileage check. TIA > There's a neat website where you can check out the shortest or quickest routes between two points. Ok, so you have to enter in each leg, run the software, and then total them all up, but that's what you get for free software, I guess. :) http://www.delorme.com/CyberMaps/route.asp Enjoy! Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 10:37:51 1998 Return-Path: riders@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09032 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-49-159.s159.tnt14.ann.erols.com [207.172.49.159]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04535; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F7E200.4727@erols.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:28:16 -0400 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Route 638? References: <199809211751.NAA26076@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > While browsing around in Street Atlas I happened to notice Route > 638, which goes from Rte 17 (near the Shenandoah) to Rte 55 in > Linden, VA. It looks pretty interesting! Before I head out there to > check it out, I thought I'd ask about it here... save me from getting > 1/2 way up a mountain to find out the road turns to gravel! :-) > > Thanks, > Anita Hi Anita, The road you mention is fairly twisty, well paved in most places and a major commuter route from Ft. Royal to Rt 50. There are a jillion places where "campers" have set up spots by the river complete with porta potties, tents, stoves etc. 638 dead ends at 624 (?) if you turn left you go to Ft. Royal, (becomes happy creek rd/6th st.) to the right it fords the shenandoah and ends up in white post. Fun Road but be careful...it's NOT a good substitute for 601. -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 11:26:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10811 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21266 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dsava.com (known mail.waats.org.waats.org [192.234.181.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08931 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:26:34 -0400 (EDT) From: chamlett@XXXXXX Received: by virginia.dsava.com id <26882>; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:23:59 -0400 Sender: "Chris Hamlett" To: , Subject: '82 Maxim XJ650J for sale (dc area) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:22:42 -0400 Message-Id: <98Sep22.112359edt.26882@virginia.dsava.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Well I'm moving to San Antonio very soon, and unfortunately my Maxim 650 isn't going to be making the trip. If you're in the DC area, my loss could be your gain! It's got 15,200 miles, some rust, and a dead battery prevents it from running--but it ran at this time last year. The prudent rider would probably want to put new tires on, check the brakes, and clean the carburetor as well. Make me an offer--I can't take it with me and I'd much rather a motorcyclist got it than a junkyard. Chris Hamlett chamlett@XXXXXX P.S. For those unfamiliar with the Yamaha Maxim (this is going to two mailing lists), pictures and information can be found at http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~t56blt/xj750.html. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 12:24:48 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from mail.martinagency.com (gw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13616 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:21:44 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:24:26 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, alexm@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Free CBR900RR - Collin? Want a new race bike? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Dead cat, hell! That area is crawling with Bambi and friends, and guess when they like to come out and mill around on the road? Yup--nighttime. I say we figure out how to spank this twinkie loudmouth on a real track. Joe >>> Alex Milenkovic - 9/20/98 7:29 PM >>> On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey Collin, > Id bet $100 that you could eat this loser with your Gixxer! I know you arent > the type to go for this sorta thing but I think that 900RR would look nice on > your trailer next to the Gixxer!!!! What do you think? > > Jack Fearsome. The part that bugs me about this "challenge" is the night shit. What is the point of that? Races are about skill and control.. if there's a dead cat in the road (which wouldn't happen on a track) and its pitch dark, you hit it and you go down. So wow, you *were* leading the race, but now you're in a cast! How Super! There's a reason reaces aren't run at night, and there's a reason I don't drive too fast at night. Its called 0 margin for error. My room-mate had this reiterrated to him when we were driving home a week ago, he was screwing around passing me on a curve, hit a patch of something, and came >< that close to dropping it. I can get over the fact that he wants to run this on the road (even though it seems stupid to me) but if he wants it to be a real race, he'd better do it during daylight. Otherwise, to be honest, I wouldn't *WANT* to see collin race him. Because I'd sure hate to call up his wife & kid and explain to them that daddy had to teach someone a lesson, and oh by the way, can you come ID the body. My 0.02 Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 14:04:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18305 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23864 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14554 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id LAA12226; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id LAA17056; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA29588; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:03:49 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA29572; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:03:46 -0700 Received: by HQ-MSG04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:03:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride in Maryland Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:03:40 -0700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Cool! I'll be there. I'll bring up the back since I'm sure to be the slowest rider. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 2:50 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sunday Ride (was Saturday ride) > > OK, > > Day: Sunday September 27 > > Meeting place: > > Roy Rogers a mile north of the Junction of Route 4 and Route 301, on the > right > on Route 301. From the Beltway take the Route 4 (Pennsylvania Ave) > South/East > i.e. Outbound towards Upper Marlboro. Then take 301 North. Roy Rogers is > about 1 mile on the right going North on 301. There is a large Shell > Station > across 301 from the Roy Rogers as well as other gas stations on the other > two > corners. > > Note: There is another Roy Rogers a few miles south of the meeting place > one > (also on 301 but on the right side southbound) don't wait at that one. > Brad, > I think you were thinking of that one. > > Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10. > > Itinerary would be from 301, South on Croom Road to Charles County, across > the > causeway over Patuxent River to Calvert county and Prince Frederick, North > through Calvert County (a little boring) to Anne Arundel and to Annapolis > (fun). Returning through Anne Arundel and Prince Georges county (quite > fun) > back to RR's. > > Brisk pace but slow when the road gets straight so everyone can catch up. > Should be done by 2 or 3 o'clock at the latest. 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M5DE415))+$%4)E1725)%3$534U-%4E9)0T53+$E.0P`````"`7\``0```$`` M```\0CDQ-#0T.4)!031$1#(Q,3@T1C4P,#@P-49%03,X-#DW.$-"0&AQ+6US 79S`X+FYW97-T+FUC8V%W+F-O;3X`F?L= ` end From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 17:02:46 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26022 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p114.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.114]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09521 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:02:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <36080E7C.22EF@flash.net> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:54:20 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: BMW fun References: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F1D@RBMAIL103> <199809221220.IAA12449@torrentnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > The AMA had a big write-up of their decision, and the Amtrak motorcyclist > who helped develop the "motorcycle modules" that would have the cycles > strapped in, then loaded onto the train. > > Chris Norloff > > P.S. Join the AMA! 1-800-AMA-JOIN http://www.ama-cycle.org/ I've been a member for years, and I don't recall reading a big write-up about this in American Motorcyclist. Next thing you know, they'll be letting motorcycles on HOV lanes. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 18:18:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29095 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27959 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24166 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:18:12 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6QPBa02317; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:16:23 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Non-moto Need a truck. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I am in need of a truck, or at least something that can tow 3200lbs, to borrow/rent for a period of 4 days. Anyone know where I can look? or know anyone extremely benevolent =)? I will be traveling about approx 250miles up and 250 back from Annapolis MD to Pocono PA (just guesstimating the mileage) from Oct. 15-18th. I need to tow my car up there, just for safety sake so incase anything happens at the track I still have a ride home. I learned that lesson the last time I was at pocono ;-). If anyone would consider this, or know anyone, and would like to discuss the specifics, please email me directly. Thank you... Sean G. Petr From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 19:37:55 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02652 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3FCJa17823 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:36:13 EDT To: dc-cycles Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sunday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Just to get an idea on numbers, can everyone planning to ride on this Southern Maryland ride send me an E-Mail. I have lost count. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 19:42:45 1998 Return-Path: blasalle@XXXXXX Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02730 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-119-65.bellatlantic.net [151.200.119.65]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id TAA02695 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36083447.AC809F3B@bellatlantic.net> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:35:35 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle Reply-To: blasalle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Sunday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Out pops another lurker. Count me in for the Sunday ride. I am looking forward to meeting the DC Cycles riders if nobody minds a new lister coming along. Brian LaSalle 96 Yellow Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 20:41:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05099 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29677 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27492 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crosslink.crosslink.net (207-172-104-64.s255.tnt3.man.erols.com [207.172.104.64]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA08866 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360842B5.8D6@erols.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:37:09 -0400 From: James Knowlton Reply-To: jugernaut@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Joining the group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. My name is Jim, but my friends call me JR. I recently got on the list to receive emails from your club. I have been riding for about 5 years. My first bike, which I recently sold, was an '86 Radian. It was a good bike to start with and sometimes I miss it. Last month, I bought a '98 YZF 600. I thought my Radian was fairly quick, but that bike doesn't have anything on that YZF. Of course, any sportbike with a big motor is going to be faster, but this 600 should keep me interested for awhile. I just went on a ride with two lovely ladies from your group (isn't that what you told me to say Ursulina haha), Ursulina and Anita and had a great time. Since I have only been riding this bike for a sgort time, they took it easy on me. I am looking forward to getting out with a larger group. Anyway, just wanted to say hey and look forward to meeting more people from the group soon. Til then - JR From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 22 23:48:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12272 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02270 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02847 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa (207-172-73-176.s176.tnt1.man.erols.com [207.172.73.176]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14507 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36086E7D.56E8@erols.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:43:57 -0400 From: "Gary F. Meyering" Reply-To: panthera@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Food for the motorcycle junkie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I was up in Connecticut for a visit this past weekend and traveled into NYC to see "The Art Of The Motorcycle" exhibit at the Guggenheim Museum. All things considered, they did a terrific job. It was a tribute to the significance of motorcycling in the 21st century, the culture surrounding it, and the evolution of technology and style that accompanied it. The museum broke all records for attendance, despite some controversy within the artistic community, and presented motorcycling in a positive light for the whole world to see. It would be easy for the motorcycling fanatic, like myself, to criticize the inclusion and exclusion of various models and brands, but the message in the bigger picture was well communicated. Among the broad spectrum of motorcycles represented, it is hard to pick a favorite. There was the Britten V1000, with intricate design details like it’s composite and alloy, parallelogram linkage, front suspension system; and it’s low drag heat exchanger, which used the reduced pressure area of the rear wheel cavity to create convection. The Megola Sport, utilizing an innovative five cylinder rotary engine, integral with the front wheel hub, that’s crank shaft is fixed with respect to the forks, allowing the motor to spin freely (with the wheel) about the wheel’s axis. The Cyclone, that’s beauty lies in it’s simplicity; low, sleek, and minimalist for it’s intended board track racing application. The Brough Superior SS100 of legendary lore. Hand built bikes, exploding with fascinating shapes and functional pieces. Vivid styling, and technologies which belie temporal reference. There were, easily, as many in attendance who had no prior exposure to motorcycling as there were motorcyclists. For those who gained an appreciation from this introduction to the motorcycle, I only wish they could experience the many other facets which make our sport so great. As you may already know, September 20 was the last day of the show in New York. I believe it will be traveling to Chicago next, so it’s not too late to catch it before it moves off to Europe. As if that weren’t enough for a banner weekend, I was able to make it over to my old haunts at the Marcus Dairy on Sunday morning. This gave me the overdue opportunity to just hang out, shoot the sh#t, and check out even more exotic modern and rare vintage motorcycles. Too bad I was stuck with the cage and couldn't go for a ride with my friends. Hey, at least I get to go back to work and rest up for another weekend. :-) Ciao! ---Gary Meyering 1997 Moto Guzzi Sport 1100i 1996 Triumph Trident 900 1987 Honda XR600R From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 06:28:43 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA28932 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Non-moto Need a truck. Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:27:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) One word... U-haul. They have full sized pickup trucks and have car dollies and car trailers. Glenn > I am in need of a truck, or at least something that can tow 3200lbs, to > borrow/rent for a period of 4 days. Anyone know where I can look? or know > anyone extremely benevolent =)? I will be traveling about approx 250miles > up > and 250 back from Annapolis MD to Pocono PA (just guesstimating the > mileage) > from Oct. 15-18th. I need to tow my car up there, just for safety sake so > incase anything happens at the track I still have a ride home. I learned > that > lesson the last time I was at pocono ;-). If anyone would consider this, > or > know anyone, and would like to discuss the specifics, please email me > directly. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 09:04:49 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05057 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09625; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:05:44 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119798D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Non-moto Need a truck. Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:05:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I don't quite get it.... You need a truck, to tow a car, to ride a bike up at Pocono??? Why not just rent a truck and put the bike in the back of the truck??? That'll be a heck of a lot easier to drive and much better fuel mileage.... Better yet, rent one of the mid size u-haul trucks (it's cheap) that way you'll have room to store the bike and all your gear, AND a nice comfy place to sleep at night!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 8:54 AM > To: 'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Non-moto Need a truck. > > > > I need to tow my car up there, just for safety sake so > > incase anything happens at the track I still have a ride home. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 11:08:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10020 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10130 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15009 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 323; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:07:38 -0400 Message-ID: <36090EE8.179DDF2E@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:08:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jugernaut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Joining the group References: <360842B5.8D6@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Knowlton wrote: > > Hello all. > > My name is Jim, but my friends call me JR. Ok everybody, together now, "HI JR!" :) > I am looking forward to getting out with a > larger group. Anyway, just wanted to say hey and look forward to meeting > more people from the group soon. Well, as long as you don't wear squid gear or fake helmets with horns on 'em, you should get along well with this group! Welcome! PS: I suppose I should mention it's a long standing DC cycles custom for the new guy to by everyone a drink of their choice on the group rides. Just wanted to let you know that! :) PPS: Hey everybody, I think the new guy's gonna actually fall for it! Hee, hee! What? Huh, oh darn, gave it away again... Ride Safe! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 11:32:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10931 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10521 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16164 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:34:04 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:33:48 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: jugernaut@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Joining the group Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline HI JR. :-) Welcome to the list. Scooter >>> Dale Horstman 09/23/98 11:08AM >>> James Knowlton wrote: >=20 > Hello all. >=20 > My name is Jim, but my friends call me JR.=20 Ok everybody, together now, "HI JR!" :) > I am looking forward to getting out with a > larger group. Anyway, just wanted to say hey and look forward to meeting > more people from the group soon. Well, as long as you don't wear squid gear or fake helmets with horns on 'em, you should get along well with this group! Welcome! PS: I suppose I should mention it's a long standing DC cycles custom for the new guy to by everyone a drink of their choice on the group rides. Just wanted to let you know that! :) PPS: Hey everybody, I think the new guy's gonna actually fall for it! Hee, hee! What? Huh, oh darn, gave it away again... Ride Safe! Horkster --=20 Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here=20 Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" =20 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 14:28:11 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18464 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980923182531.25270.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1e; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:31 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 95' Yamaha fzr 600 11,000 miles good condition $3,500 Bike is unseen by me is through a friend may be negogiatable on price. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 14:52:49 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19323 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:52:49 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F2F@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: For Sale Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:57:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Had to chuckle when your message came up in my MS Outlook display: Craig For Sale Reminded me of some Disney movie starring Robert Preston (he was in Music Man, and The Last Starfighter) in which a couple of kids taped a sign to his back saying "This old mother for sale, cheap" > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 2:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: For Sale > > 95' Yamaha fzr 600 > 11,000 miles > good condition > $3,500 > > Bike is unseen by me is through a friend > may be negogiatable on price. > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 15:19:21 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20506 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:20:03 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED7EB@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Virginia Raceway? Check this out Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:17:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Snipped from the racelist.. thought it was of interest so I'm passing it along.. Virginia International Raceway is a wonderful 3.2 mile track near Danville, Va. with 17 major turns, fast straights, and interesting elevation changes. It was first opened in 1957, and has been closed since 1974. Vintage racer and developer Harvey Siegel announced plans Tuesday 9/22/98 to turn the track into VIR Motorsport Country Club and have it running by the fall of 1999. See the complete story here: http://www.roadracers.com/news/septflash.htm Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 15:21:37 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20585 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980923192149.8165.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send102.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:21:49 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh, but I am for Sale... ehheheheheheh But i'm not in-expensive ;~) nor cheap... A bargin at any price... P.S. let's not get to wise-crack-ish with this one... ---"Mersch, Tom" wrote: > > > > Had to chuckle when your message came up in my MS Outlook display: > > Craig For Sale > > > > Reminded me of some Disney movie starring Robert Preston (he was in Music > Man, and The Last Starfighter) in which a couple of kids taped a sign to his > back saying "This old mother for sale, cheap" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 2:26 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: For Sale > > > > 95' Yamaha fzr 600 > > 11,000 miles > > good condition > > $3,500 > > > > Bike is unseen by me is through a friend > > may be negogiatable on price. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 16:47:14 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24252 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:45:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Virginia Raceway? Check this out Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:45:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Too bad Danville is 4 hours away. Glenn > Virginia International Raceway is a wonderful 3.2 mile track near > Danville, > Va. with 17 major turns, fast straights, and interesting elevation > changes. > It was first opened in 1957, and has been closed since 1974. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 17:23:27 1998 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25622 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3UMNa02328 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3442cba6.360966a3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:22:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Looking for a Front Page 98 Guru Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I am currently involved in a contract dispute with a nameless contractor that is REAL ugly. I am looking for a third party techie to contract for a couple of hours to review a webpage that was created by the aforementioned contractor to determine our legal position. Tom T. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 20:08:08 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02589 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA16585 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3609B8B3.2E60@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:12:51 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Bike Rag Favor (again) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Gang, I would like to know the advertised price of Michelin Macadams which would fit my machine (150/70/18 & 120/80/16) I also need to know the magazine's name, issue date and the page number. Current or recent issue only please. Remerciements anticipés, JK From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 23 21:09:37 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05004 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA00889 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809240112.VAA00889@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Leather repair shop wanted To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I just noticed that my leathers have a few seams broken ( probably as a result bike replacement in June ;-). Any advice on who/where can fix it ? Any good leather repair shops around ? Both jacket and pants need some small work; both are HG stealth. Any advice apprecciated. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 07:17:11 1998 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (mberman@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29492 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id HAA28069; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:16:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles , GPz Mailing List Subject: GPZ Parts Have Arrived Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Finally after a few months on the Suzuki beater, my GPz parts showed up in the mail. The afternoon I am supposed to close on a townhouse with garage, so I will have a place to put it all back together. I can't wait to get it out on the road again!!! Total cost for parts was less than $300 to rebuild the entire clutch (except for the housing and plates). -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 08:01:05 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01316 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id FAA21306 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:00:57 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:00:57 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF2AA532@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leather repair shop wanted Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:01:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > I just noticed that my leathers have a few seams broken ( > probably as a > result bike replacement in June ;-). > > Any advice on who/where can fix it ? Any good leather repair shops > around ? > > Both jacket and pants need some small work; both are HG stealth. For those of us in the Sterling, VA area: There is a leather repair shop in the Countryside shopping center - just to the left of the silo (sorry - don't remember the name) They have another shop by the Shopper's Food Warehouse in the old (and almost dead) shopping center on Rt 7. They've done some work for me - good quality - can't address prices as I have no basis of comparison. They charged $20 to move some velcro patches around on my boots and $6 to repair a zipper. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 08:29:09 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02520 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-29.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.70]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA08005; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:15:47 -0400 Message-ID: <073401bde7b4$ec695ee0$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Subject: Re: Leather repair shop wanted Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:14:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Zbig -- this pulled from a months-old crevice. A list message from someone else. "There's a place in Great Falls, VA called "Tricks of the Trade." They advertise in the Motorcycle Times They fixed a pair of First Gear Overpants for me at a reasonable price. They do a lot of stuff for the "horsey" set." [phone 703 759 4565] Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Loves the cool weather Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: zbig@XXXXXX >I just noticed that my leathers have a few seams broken ( probably as a >result bike replacement in June ;-). > >Any advice on who/where can fix it ? Any good leather repair shops >around ? > >Both jacket and pants need some small work; both are HG stealth. > >Any advice apprecciated. >_zjt > >-- >******************************************************************** >Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX >Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 08:33:10 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02625 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809241233.IAA02625@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC0126901FE; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:33:05 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:09:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: License plate frame for Jeannette Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Jeannette - I've just found the perfect personalized license plate frame for you. See the entry under "Humorous - Catherine" http://www.twochicks.com/mcylfrm.html :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 08:33:10 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02632 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809241233.IAA02632@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC0326901FE; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:33:07 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:37:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Leather repair shop wanted In-Reply-To: <199809240112.VAA00889@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:12 PM 9/23/98 -0400, zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >I just noticed that my leathers have a few seams broken ( probably as a >result bike replacement in June ;-). > >Any advice on who/where can fix it ? Any good leather repair shops >around ? I've heard good things about Tricks of the Trade, in Great Falls, VA. They advertise in Winding Road Motorcycle Times. Haven't used them myself, but plan to go there to replace a jacket zipper. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:16:57 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04562 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13639 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:18:00 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119799A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Fw: For Sale Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:17:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From the classifieds on Roadracers.com.... Good price for anyone looking for some Dunlops... Not my favorite tire choice, but not too bad...especially at that price Dunlop D204GP From: mcdaffy@XXXXXX Date: 9/16/98 Time: 1:34:31 AM Comments Brand new 120/70/17 and 180/55/17. $140 includes shipping to your door. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:30:05 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05102 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA14651; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA20558; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980924132849.NKOC18768@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:28:49 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Morris Berman" , "DC Cycles" , "GPz Mailing List" Subject: RE: GPZ Parts Have Arrived Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:28:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bde7bf$294b1c40$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: WhooHOoo! Excellent! Congratulations on the new home purchase, especially the GARAGE ;) Todd Morris Berman wrote: > Finally after a few months on the Suzuki beater, my GPz parts showed up > in the mail. The afternoon I am supposed to close on a townhouse with > garage, so I will have a place to put it all back together. I can't wait > to get it out on the road again!!! Total cost for parts was less than > $300 to rebuild the entire clutch (except for the housing and plates). > > -Mb From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:34:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05114 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27566 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18954 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 361 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:33:26 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980924092734.00bf9750@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:33:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Saturday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A few friends and I will be venturing from Centreville, VA to Harpers Ferry and back. If you are interested, 10:00am Saturday at the Chesapeake Bagel Bakery in Centreville on Saturday. Plan to get rolling by 10:30am or so. The Bagel Bakery is located in the Shopper's Food Warehouse center on Rt. 29 at Rt. 28. It is next to the Trak Auto. Look for me (Red CB750) or Trevor (YZF600) The plan will be 29 to 234 North, to 15 North all the way up to the Harpers Ferry Scenic Route (left turn off 15 after the big bridge) which is pretty twisty, go through a few small towns, then pop out on 310? The big super highway up there. Then we will go to HF, stop for lunch in the town across the street, then return 310? to 15 to 50. Shouldnt be real long - maybe 2.5 hours. I dont plan on leading the ride, just organizing directions. If any of you more experienced riders do show up, plan on riding in front or in back :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:35:20 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05207 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 182; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:34:23 -0400 Message-ID: <360A4A8F.92328E38@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:35:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Virginia Raceway? Check this out References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, but there are some nice roads down there. That's where we got Tracy's Suzuki from. Should have just ridden it back instead of renting a u-haul. I was kicking myself. I wanna go back sometime. Horkster Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Too bad Danville is 4 hours away. > > Glenn > > > Virginia International Raceway is a wonderful 3.2 mile track near > > Danville, > > Va. with 17 major turns, fast straights, and interesting elevation > > changes. > > It was first opened in 1957, and has been closed since 1974. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:40:02 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05497 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA29739; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:39:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA31486; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:39:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980924133900.NNFO18768@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:39:00 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: License plate frame for Jeannette Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bde7c0$95605f20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199809241233.IAA02625@meretrix.com> Nice find Chris, The Two Chicks found a good novelty niche. Tpdd > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 1998 8:09 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: License plate frame for Jeannette > > > Hi, Jeannette - > > I've just found the perfect personalized license plate frame for you. See > the entry under "Humorous - Catherine" > > http://www.twochicks.com/mcylfrm.html > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:48:14 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05936 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:49:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:49:05 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather repair shop wanted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Depending on how long ago you bought them, you should be able to send them = in to HG for repair. If not, try a shoe repair store. The bottom strap = on my AGV jacket ripped off last year and I took it to a shoe repair place = and they fixed it within 10 minutes. Shoe repair shops have heavy duty = sewing machines to punch through any thickness leather. Scooter >>> 09/23/98 09:12PM >>> I just noticed that my leathers have a few seams broken ( probably as a result bike replacement in June ;-).=20 Any advice on who/where can fix it ? Any good leather repair shops around ?=20 Both jacket and pants need some small work; both are HG stealth.=20 Any advice apprecciated.=20 _zjt --=20 ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX=20 Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:50:12 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06025 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15622 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:51:15 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119799B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: VIR Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:51:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It looks like it might be a neat track, but after looking at www.virclub.com, it really doesn't look like it'll make it back to a motorcycle track anytime soon :( Too bad...I was hoping maybe CCS or WERA would pounce and give us a little more variety within reasonable driving distance.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:56:06 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06089 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15966 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:57:13 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119799C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Suzumis new models Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:57:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just checked out Suzuki's 99 model line on M/C Online.... Looks like = 99 will be a good year. The new paint job on the GSXR1300 Hayabusa is waay cool!! Attention all you hawk fans: Suzuki is introducing its own 650 twin = next year!!!! It appears to have a boring suspension, but at $5700 brand = new, one could easily afford to put a fox shock on the rear and a F2, F3, = FZR, etc. front end on it fairly cheap.... Hmmm... And I was thinking a ducati 900 SS/SP or a 2 smoke for a future buy.......maybe that will change.. Blatent cut and paste from M/C online to follow: =20 Since the demise of the Honda Hawk family, Japanese =20 manufacturers haven't seen fit to offer = an entry-level V-twin sport bike = in North America. Suzuki must have noticed a glaring gap in the =20 affordable, V-twin sport bike = market because this year they are =20 introducing the SV650, an =20 entry-level, naked V-Twin sport bike that lists for less than $6000.00 = USD.=20 The SV650 is powered by a 90=B0, = liquid-cooled V-twin engine with DOHC and four valves per cylinder. Suzuki claims = that many design features of the larger TL1000 engine have been incorporated = into the 650. Something that they didn't incorporate, which might be a blessing, = is fuel-injection. Instead the SV650 is equipped with 39mm Mikuni carburetors = and a stainless-steel 2-into-1 exhaust system. The SV650 is light: Its claimed = dry weight of 364 pounds (165 kg) is almost 80 pounds (37 kg) less than the Bandit 600. The chassis is a TL1000S-styled, truss aluminum frame. Suspension includes 41mm conventional forks and a preload-adjustable rear shock. The SV650 also comes equipped with dual front disc brakes and aluminum rims.=20 With the same MSRP as the Bandit 600 (it does not replace the Bandit 600) but with more up-to-date technology, the SV650 is a welcome recognition that motorcycles are essentially toys and, = like toys, should be priced accordingly. At $5699.00 USD, the SV650 has already = grabbed the attention of MO staffers who at times grow weary of the large = bore and larger cash outlay motorcycles that are beginning to dominate the U.S. market. From the press materials we received = from Suzuki the SV650 looks as though it will be offered only as a naked bike in = the United States. A sport version with a half fairing similar to the TL1000S = will be offered in Europe. As of press time American Suzuki representatives are at = a dealer meeting in Las Vegas, so we can not confirm if both versions will be available in the U.S. Stay tuned, we will keep you posted.=20 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:58:43 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06434 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980924135850.17553.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send102.yahoomail.com; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:58:50 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Saturday Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Michael Troutman wrote: > > A few friends and I will be venturing from Centreville, VA to Harpers Ferry > and back. > The plan will be 29 to 234 North, to 15 North all the way up to the Harpers > Ferry Scenic Route I believe you have the wrong road ##....Rt. 15 does not go to Harper's Ferry..... rt. 15 will connect you to Rt. 340..which will go to Harper's Ferry, it is a 4 lane highway not very scenic though. (left turn off 15 after the big bridge) which is pretty > twisty, go through a few small towns, then pop out on 310? The big super > highway up there. Then we will go to HF, stop for lunch in the town across > the street, then return 310? to 15 to 50. Shouldnt be real long - maybe > 2.5 hours. > > I dont plan on leading the ride, just organizing directions. If any of you > more experienced riders do show up, plan on riding in front or in back :-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 09:59:11 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06452 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id GAA00347 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:59:04 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:59:04 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF2AA570@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: VIR Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:59:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > It looks like it might be a neat track, but after looking at > www.virclub.com, it really doesn't look like it'll make it back to a > motorcycle track anytime soon :( > > Too bad...I was hoping maybe CCS or WERA would pounce and > give us a little > more variety within reasonable driving distance.... Never can tell - the finances could determine that - if the buck$ are right - there are all sorts of possibilities - although maybe just vintage, BOTT and SOS events really fit in with the direction that they're going in now. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 10:17:39 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07041 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23281 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:17:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199809241417.KAA23281@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:17:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19980924135850.17553.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 24 Sep 98, at 6:58, Craig wrote: > I believe you have the wrong road ##....Rt. 15 does not go to Harper's > Ferry..... > rt. 15 will connect you to Rt. 340..which will go to Harper's Ferry, > it is a 4 lane highway not very scenic though. Actually, he'll be okay... the next part of the directions read: > (left turn off 15 after the big bridge) which is pretty twisty, > go through a few small towns, then pop out on 310? I don't recall the route number for that particular road, but there is a sign for Harper's Ferry. It's better than 340 in any event! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 10:42:52 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08253 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:43:11 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F35@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:47:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 1998 10:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Saturday Ride > > On 24 Sep 98, at 6:58, Craig wrote: > > > I believe you have the wrong road ##....Rt. 15 does not go to Harper's > > Ferry..... > > rt. 15 will connect you to Rt. 340..which will go to Harper's Ferry, > > it is a 4 lane highway not very scenic though. > > Actually, he'll be okay... the next part of the directions read: > > > (left turn off 15 after the big bridge) which is pretty twisty, > > go through a few small towns, then pop out on 310? > > I don't recall the route number for that particular road, but there is a > sign for Harper's Ferry. It's better than 340 in any event! :-) [Mersch, Tom] Um, 464 maybe? > Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 10:44:30 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08279 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 227; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:43:56 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980924104319.00c9f300@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:43:56 -0400 To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah, 340! Thats it. About 10 miles or so before 340 on 15, the scenic route begins on the left. Thanks for the 340 route # - couldnt recall. Also - does anyone else think it is WEIRD that you have to go up to Mt. Zion Rd. and turn around on the exit to get to 15 South? At 10:17 AM 9/24/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >On 24 Sep 98, at 6:58, Craig wrote: > >> I believe you have the wrong road ##....Rt. 15 does not go to Harper's >> Ferry..... >> rt. 15 will connect you to Rt. 340..which will go to Harper's Ferry, >> it is a 4 lane highway not very scenic though. > >Actually, he'll be okay... the next part of the directions read: > >> (left turn off 15 after the big bridge) which is pretty twisty, >> go through a few small towns, then pop out on 310? > >I don't recall the route number for that particular road, but there is a >sign for Harper's Ferry. It's better than 340 in any event! :-) > >Anita > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It takes a village to satisfy a president. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 10:54:42 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08686 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.35]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA26645; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:54:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199809241454.KAA26645@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Michael Troutman" Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:54:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19980924104319.00c9f300@www.troutman.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 24 Sep 98, at 10:43, Michael Troutman wrote: > Also - does anyone else think it is WEIRD that you have to go up to Mt. > Zion Rd. and turn around on the exit to get to 15 South? Wierd and really annoying! When riding back from Summit Point we lost someone that way! I was in the right lane putting along because I knew I'd have to make the right on to Mt. Zion. The other rider moved into the left lane to pass someone, and couldn't get back over in time to make the exit... and that was the last we saw of him that night! :-) We did wait on the overpass for a long time to see if he could turn around at the next exit, though (I don't think you can). Next time I come back that way I'll make sure to let everyone know about that turn in advance! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 11:02:36 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09078 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:58:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Virginia Raceway? Check this out Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:58:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) It's true. Smith Mountain Lake is nearby (which is beautiful). And the BRP isn't too far off. Glenn > Yeah, but there are some nice roads down there. > That's where we got Tracy's Suzuki from. Should have > just ridden it back instead of renting a u-haul. I > was kicking myself. > > I wanna go back sometime. > > Horkster > > Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > > > Too bad Danville is 4 hours away. > > > > Glenn > > > > > Virginia International Raceway is a wonderful 3.2 mile track near > > > Danville, > > > Va. with 17 major turns, fast straights, and interesting elevation > > > changes. > > > It was first opened in 1957, and has been closed since 1974. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 11:42:20 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10489 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:38:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:38:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Okay, newbie question time... Yesterday morning on the way to work, the two cars in front of me that I expected to scoot through a yellow light decided to, in fact, stop. Thus reducing the area that I was going to brake in by about half. erk. No biggie, I knew this might happen, so I had enough room, I just had to be a tad more aggressive. Well, in this aggressive braking maneuver, I managed to lock up my rear wheel. I immediately unlocked it, and re-aplied it, and successfully came to a stop with room to spare. Anyway, on to the question. This was yesterday morning, about 8 am. I'd only been on the bike for about three minutes. The bike is stored outside, so when I started riding, the tires were probably about 55 degrees. On would assume that the rode was also about that temp, too. So, how much of that skid was due to the cold tires on a cold road? I don't think I was braking that hard, but maybe I was. How long does it take tires to warm up, anyway? How much do I have to worry about riding in through Clifton (shady and twisty roads) on a cold morning, if at all? -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 11:59:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11349 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29744 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24244 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:59:44 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WWNNa10656 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3c3832ce.360a6bc6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:56:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I dont think it would affect your braking too much but be careful on curves!!!!!!!! Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 12:04:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11435 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29865 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24421 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WKMLa19215 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8fd2c095.360a6cc3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:01:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: WARNING: Road Hazard! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 For anyone who travels around the Alexandria area be careful on the last exit before the Wilson Bridge (the one that goes to Old Towne) on 495 there is a bunch of sand and gravel on the exit ramp. Its thick strips of it so you can make your way thru it if you are paying attention by weaving thru. Its right at the point where you lean over onto the ramp. QUITE the bad place. Scared the hell outta me. BE CAREFUL!!!! Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 12:20:57 1998 Return-Path: ThomasJ@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12272 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:20:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD" To: "'cycles'" , "'Mark Petty'" Subject: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:20:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain In the Motorcycle Safety Course they teach you that once you're in a skid with the rear wheel locking up HOLD the skid and DON'T release it. That's a risky thing to do, as the wheel catching traction again could flip your bad self all over the road...it's worked for me in traffic situations, twice. Try it on a quiet road or parking lot, or better yet, take the course if you haven't. As for the cold tire thing, I'll leave that to the physicists on the list... On the subject of cold, however, how about some advice on cold weather starting? Any good ideas anyone? jt > ---------- > From: Mark Petty[SMTP:mdpetty@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 1998 11:38 AM > To: 'cycles' > Subject: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? > > Okay, newbie question time... > > Yesterday morning on the way to work, the two cars in front of > me that I expected to scoot through a yellow light decided to, in fact, > stop. Thus reducing the area that I was going to brake in by about half. > erk. No biggie, I knew this might happen, so I had enough room, I just > had to be a tad more aggressive. > > Well, in this aggressive braking maneuver, I managed to lock up > my rear wheel. I immediately unlocked it, and re-aplied it, and > successfully came to a stop with room to spare. > > Anyway, on to the question. This was yesterday morning, about 8 > am. I'd only been on the bike for about three minutes. The bike is > stored outside, so when I started riding, the tires were probably about > 55 degrees. On would assume that the rode was also about that temp, too. > > So, how much of that skid was due to the cold tires on a cold > road? I don't think I was braking that hard, but maybe I was. How long > does it take tires to warm up, anyway? How much do I have to worry about > riding in through Clifton (shady and twisty roads) on a cold morning, if > at all? > > -Mark > '83 V65 Magna > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 12:27:12 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12631 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23413; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:28:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11979A2@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Mark Petty'" , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:28:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mark, A couple of things to keep in mind...In general, cruiser style tires are a much harder compound than sportbikes, and will grip less when cold as well as take a bit longer to heat up. I think the biggest reason your rear tire locked up is 1) adrenaline factor...cars stopping suddenly, brain says to hit brakes hard... and 2) when you brake extremely hard with the front brake, it takes a lot of the weight off the back tire which allows it to lock a lot easier. The best thing I can recommend to a newbie (and all of us for that matter) is to hit a parking lot and practice panic stops. I've found that in this area, that is a definite must have skill, so I practice often. CT From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 12:32:34 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12692 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:29:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:29:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD [SMTP:ThomasJ@XXXXXX] > > In the Motorcycle Safety Course they teach you that once you're in a > skid > with the rear wheel locking up HOLD the skid and DON'T release it. > That's a > risky thing to do, as the wheel catching traction again could flip > your bad > self all over the road...it's worked for me in traffic situations, > twice. > Try it on a quiet road or parking lot, or better yet, take the course > if you > haven't. As for the cold tire thing, I'll leave that to the > physicists on > the list... > I took the course in July, and I remember them saying that if you lock the rear tire, keep it locked. They also said that if you can release it fast enough, you should be alright. (supposedly, the rear tire would still be in the proper allignment with the front tire, I guess.) Anyway, I had barely realised what was going on before my reflexes kicked in and released the brake, and re-aplied it. Or maybe I was just going slow enough that I got lucky. -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 12:35:59 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12806 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809241635.MAA12806@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4E710E01E4; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:35:51 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:40:05 -0400 To: "'cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:38 AM 9/24/98 -0400, Mark Petty wrote: > Well, in this aggressive braking maneuver, I managed to lock up >my rear wheel. I immediately unlocked it, and re-aplied it, and >successfully came to a stop with room to spare. > Anyway, on to the question. This was yesterday morning, about 8 >am. I'd only been on the bike for about three minutes. The bike is >stored outside, so when I started riding, the tires were probably about >55 degrees. On would assume that the rode was also about that temp, too. > So, how much of that skid was due to the cold tires on a cold >road? I don't think I was braking that hard, but maybe I was. How long >does it take tires to warm up, anyway? The tires were most likely still pretty cold, but locking the rear wheel is very common in quick-stop situations. Sounds like a good reason to spend 5-10 minutes braking in a parking lot one morning, to see how those cold tires do. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 12:41:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13114 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00342 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25322 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:41:45 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED7F2@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WARNING: Road Hazard! Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:39:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Same exit.. it's ok going to Rt 1 South.. and from Rt1 onto the beltway is fine too.. (from the south, headed north) Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Sent: Thursday, September 24, 1998 12:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: WARNING: Road Hazard! For anyone who travels around the Alexandria area be careful on the last exit before the Wilson Bridge (the one that goes to Old Towne) on 495 there is a bunch of sand and gravel on the exit ramp. Its thick strips of it so you can make your way thru it if you are paying attention by weaving thru. Its right at the point where you lean over onto the ramp. QUITE the bad place. Scared the hell outta me. BE CAREFUL!!!! Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 12:45:06 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13240 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:45:03 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA25308; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:46:40 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024862; Thu, 24 Sep 98 12:45:40 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZS007PRRTKMA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256689.005BB78A ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:41:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:39:11 -0400 Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256689.005B9599.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Date: 09/24/98 03:56:54 PM GMT Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? I dont think it would affect your braking too much but be careful on curves!!!!!!!! Jack --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To the "newbie" that asked the original question ... please, for your own safety, disregard the above statement. Cold tires limit the amount of "grip" a tire has with the pavement. You need grip for three primary things (forces) ... acceleration, deceleration, and cornering. Until your tires are adequately warmed up, the grip in those three situations is reduced. How much it is reduced is hard to say, as it can vary depending on many different factors, some of which are temp, type of tire, tread pattern, weight, road surface, etc. Now with regards to your specific situation, I *suspect* that cold tires were not really the reason, but rather the rear locked up because during braking, the majority of the bikes weight had already transferred to the front tire and "lightened" the rear. Assuming you were still in a straight line, you reacted correctly by releasing the rear and reapplying . However, do that with the rear swung out and you have a pretty good potential for a high side crash. As far as cold roads through Clifton, I would be careful, but not paranoid. If you choose to ride through the winter, be careful as you can have dry pavement in the sunny straights and hit wet, slushy, or icy stuff in the shaded corners. Welcome to the list, chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 12:48:37 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13556 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED7F3@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:46:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hrm.. this doesn't really make a lot of sense (holding a rear-wheel slide) unless you're in a corner.. I purposely lock my rear on occasion just to scare the piss outta the cagers around me (WAKE UP CALL!) and release while still in motion.. nothing funny or scary has ever happened when doing that. Now, when I've locked the front end, it'll wallow, drift and do lots of nasty stuff.. I get off it ASAP. As Collin mentioned, he does panic stops in parking lots to find out how the bike reacts.. I do the same.. including the front and rear wheel lock-ups so I know how to react.. and better yet, how far I can go before I would have to react.. Motorcycles are amazingly capable machines.. you'd be shocked at the lengths you have to go to, to accieve a front end slide (under braking)... But, there are exceptions.. cold streets & tires, just plain GRABBING a fistfull of brake instead of squeezing it on, and anything friction reducing on the road.. even for an instant... Anyway.. I've only learned through experience.. much like everyone else.. go get experience.. Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- In the Motorcycle Safety Course they teach you that once you're in a skid with the rear wheel locking up HOLD the skid and DON'T release it. That's a risky thing to do, as the wheel catching traction again could flip your bad self all over the road...it's worked for me in traffic situations, twice. Try it on a quiet road or parking lot, or better yet, take the course if you haven't. As for the cold tire thing, I'll leave that to the physicists on the list... On the subject of cold, however, how about some advice on cold weather starting? Any good ideas anyone? jt From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 12:49:21 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13569 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA18458 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:48:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD wrote: > In the Motorcycle Safety Course they teach you that once you're in a skid > with the rear wheel locking up HOLD the skid and DON'T release it. That's a > risky thing to do, as the wheel catching traction again could flip your bad > self all over the road...it's worked for me in traffic situations, twice. That's one of the pieces of MSF advice that I mostly ignore. While a high side could occur most street situations are slow enough that a reasonably experienced rider can release the rear brake once the bike starts sliding. You'll get some wiggle perhaps but nothing terribly dangerous. For the newbie the MSF advice is probably best. A wiggle for a beginner may cause over correction (usually wiggles don't require correction at all...) leading to a crash. Panic stops are an excellent thing to practice and almost essential if you'll be doing urban/suburaban riding. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 13:01:24 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14056 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA18710 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Suzumis new models In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B119799C@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Attention all you hawk fans: Suzuki is introducing its own 650 twin next > year!!!! Yep, hopefully there'll be some decent volume sales of the bike. It certainly goes in what I think is the right direction (light bike with easily used power). I just don't believe it will survive the US, power hungry market, particularly if they don't bring the half faired model over. I'd like to be suprised and find that it's a top seller (like the Bandit apparently has been - it certainly sounds like a significantly better bike than the bandit...). > It appears to have a boring suspension, but at $5700 brand new, > one could easily afford to put a fox shock on the rear and a F2, F3, FZR, > etc. front end on it fairly cheap.... Yep, dump another $1300 into suspension and it sounds like a winner. I'm pretty sure it'll have serious discounts and you'll probably be able to do the suspension and still only have about $6k into the bike. Not bad. The bike has netted some interest on the Hawk list. Certainly, the engine is a better platform for racing than the Hawk's (what with its 52deg motor and therefore its achy breaky crank). If only the Suzuki had a single swinger in the rear. I'm too lazy for all that chain adjustment/wheel alignment stuff... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 13:01:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14060 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00568 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26327 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WFDBa02082 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:59:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? - HUH? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/24/98 12:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: << To the "newbie" that asked the original question ... please, for your own safety, disregard the above statement. Cold tires limit the amount of "grip" a tire has with the pavement. You need grip for three primary things (forces) ... acceleration, deceleration, and cornering. Until your tires are adequately warmed up, the grip in those three situations is reduced. How much it is reduced is hard to say, as it can vary depending on many different factors, some of which are temp, type of tire, tread pattern, weight, road surface, etc., shaded corners. >> Ummm, what exactly did you say that was any different from me? The only difference is that yours is a lot longer to read and a lot harder to understand. I think I made my point quite clear dont you? His problem was not in cold tires but from jumping on the back brake. He also needs to be careful in corners until his tires warm up. Where exactly did you say something that I didn't? Jack (getting damn sick of nitpicks) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 13:10:32 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14459 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26781 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:11:39 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11979A3@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:11:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Man, I really looove when the back end steps out on my GSXR... oh wait a minute... we're talking brakiing here, not acceleration :) Well, actually, I love going iinto T10 at Summit and applying just enough rear brake to get the rear to step out and point me through the turn...Definitely not a newbie maneuver though .... From what I hear, a lot of racers don't even touch the rear brake, but personally, I love using it to help steer the bike. Wiggles...hmmmm, I know wiggles...My 97 does both the front end shake rattle and roll and the occasional back end wiggle waggle.... None of my tank slappers compare to Scooter's though (expert out at Summit). He stuffed a buddy in T10 in a practice session, and looked back to give a wave of appology to the guy just as his new TLR went into a full lock to lock slapper.... There is about a 50-60 foot long weaving squigly where the front tire was turning back and forth!! Impressive...He has one advantage with the TLR that I don't on the GSXR... He had enough torque and ponies to just lift the front off the ground and stabilize the wheel in the air...My bikes only wheelied once out of turn 10 (well over 100 mph) and that one caught me totally by surprise... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 13:14:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14567 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00732 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26761 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA18983; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? - HUH? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/24/98 12:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: > << To the "newbie" that asked the original question ... please, for your own > safety, disregard the above statement. > Cold tires limit the amount of "grip" a tire has with the pavement. > > I think I made my point quite clear dont you? His problem was not in cold > tires but from jumping on the back brake. He also needs to be careful in > corners until his tires warm up. Where exactly did you say something that I > didn't? He didn't say the same thing as you. He said that cold tires can cause problems with braking as well. You did not. There is a definite style adjustment that occurs in all facets of bike control when one moves from the summer months to the winter months. Extra care in braking distances and effort in braking application are both important things when tires are cold. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 13:43:29 1998 Return-Path: lee_powell@XXXXXX Received: from relay.faa.gov (relay.faa.gov [204.108.10.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15795 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from faa.gov ([192.168.254.2]) by relay.faa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAAD7A for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:41:46 -0400 Received: from ccMail by faa.gov (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25) id AA906658830; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:40:31 -0500 Message-Id: <9809249066.AA906658830@faa.gov> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:46:28 -0500 From: "Lee Powell" To: Subject: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Mark, Aren't you glad you asked? Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 14:09:58 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16785 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:06:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:06:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Powell [SMTP:lee_powell@XXXXXX] > > Mark, > > Aren't you glad you asked? > > Lee > Ya, actually I am. I learned several things. 1) If you do hardcore braking, you need to actually decrease pressure on the rear brakes as you increase it on the front brakes. 2) Cruiser tires aren't racing tires, and all handling differences are magnified by the cold, including increasing time to warm up. 3) The inherent evil in locking the rear tire is a much more debatable topic than they taught in MSF. 4) If you ever mention in a post that something weird happened while using the rear brake, always state explicitely that you were _also_ using the front brake. 4) No matter how many times I reread my typing before I hit "send", my posts will always have at least two typos. -Mark '83 V65 Magna oh, and 5) Apparently there aren't any spelling nazis on the list. Thankfully. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 14:45:31 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18461 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 251; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:44:29 -0400 Message-ID: <360A933C.58E5CF49@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:45:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD" CC: "'cycles'" , "'Mark Petty'" Subject: Re: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD wrote: > > In the Motorcycle Safety Course they teach you that once you're in a skid > with the rear wheel locking up HOLD the skid and DON'T release it. That's a > risky thing to do, as the wheel catching traction again could flip your bad > self all over the road...it's worked for me in traffic situations, twice. This is the only part of the MSF curriculum that I really have any heartburn with. WTF do they mean about DON'T release it? You mean I've gotta drag around my locked real wheel forever? If I have to slow down in a hurry, but then find out that I don't have to stop completely, and my rear wheel is locked, then what? Do I have to come to a complete stop to release my rear wheel? According to the MSF, yes! That's bullcrap! If your rear wheel is slipping because of poor traction, then that same wheel causing a high-side when it suddenly regains traction on this slick surface just doesn't seem plausible. If your rear starts to lock up, and you feel it start to get out of line, let off, and reapply the rear gently. At most, you get a slight but manageable twitch as the rear steps back in line with the front. I find the rear tire locks up way to easily in a lot of cases, I have yet to ever slide the front (and I hope I never do). Sorry, I should quit ranting now. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 14:48:49 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18492 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:50:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:49:35 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mdpetty@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Wellllll. If you really want one, I can do it. Although, I have been = known to send out messages with a typo on it every now and then. Hial = Hitler. :-) JK, I wouldn't do that to you guys and gals. Besides, I'd = never have any time to do anything else. hehe Scooter >>> Mark Petty 09/24/98 02:06PM >>> >>> >>>oh, and 5) Apparently there aren't any spelling nazis on the list. >>>Thankfully. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 14:49:49 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18510 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 272 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: <360A9441.337B01EA@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:49:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? References: <85256689.005B9599.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher Meier brought up the good point of: > > As far as cold roads through Clifton, I would be careful, but not paranoid. > If you choose to ride through the winter, be careful as you can have dry > pavement in the sunny straights and hit wet, slushy, or icy stuff in the > shaded corners. I normally take the roads through Clifton going home after work (nice ride, normally) but the conditions to vary quite a bit during the winter, just as Chris mentioned. You do have to be careful and ride more gently when the weather gets crappy. Ride safe! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 14:57:12 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18957 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 179; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:56:17 -0400 Message-ID: <360A95F6.2B84DF71@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:56:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Petty , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark the Newbie wrote: > > 4) If you ever mention in a post that something weird happened while > using the rear brake, always state explicitely that you were _also_ > using the front brake. > > oh, and 5) Apparently there aren't any spelling nazis on the list. > Thankfully. Uhh, it's "explicitly". You're welcome. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 16:36:30 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22918 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA14352 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA14175 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980924203125.SFXP18768@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:31:25 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: From RoadRacing World Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:30:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bde7fa$3234c000$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 A lot of you have heard about the latest law-enforcement fiasco targeting motorcyclists down in the big state of Texas. Go to http://www.roadracingworld.com/issues/Oct98/oakhill.htm "Don't Mess With Texas"! I've seen this bumpersticker on Texas plated vehicles and am dubious. What does it mean when your police can blanket a racetrack and search EVERYBODY on the notion of retrieving stolen vehicles.? "Don't Mess With Texas"??? What does it mean when your legislature cuts a deal with a bunch of statists to allow you to go helmetless IF you can prove you have catastrophic health insurance? "Don't Mess With Texas"??? "Do you know vy I am pulling you ovah!", "No, Sir", "Paperz, show me za Paperz now!" Screw Texas! Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 16:58:07 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23875 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 360; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:57:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980924165712.00c107b0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:57:16 -0400 To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: From RoadRacing World Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Try http://www.roadracingworld.com/issues/oct98/oakhill.htm At 04:30 PM 9/24/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >A lot of you have heard about the latest law-enforcement fiasco targeting >motorcyclists down in the big state of Texas. Go to >http://www.roadracingworld.com/issues/Oct98/oakhill.htm > >"Don't Mess With Texas"! I've seen this bumpersticker on Texas plated >vehicles and am dubious. > >What does it mean when your police can blanket a racetrack and search >EVERYBODY on the notion of retrieving stolen vehicles.? "Don't Mess With >Texas"??? > >What does it mean when your legislature cuts a deal with a bunch of statists >to allow you to go helmetless IF you can prove you have catastrophic health >insurance? "Don't Mess With Texas"??? > > "Do you know vy I am pulling you ovah!", "No, Sir", "Paperz, show me >za Paperz now!" > > Screw Texas! > >Todd > > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 17:02:39 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24251 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-57-146.s146.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.57.146]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11500; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360AB315.98E5CF60@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:01:09 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: From RoadRacing World References: <000e01bde7fa$3234c000$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No Todd... As a native Okie, it's "Tuck Fexas" he he he Collin Todd Peer wrote: > Screw Texas! > > Todd -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 17:12:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24403 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04273 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05919 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:11:59 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WYOTa10158; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:04:36 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: From RoadRacing World Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Man, reading that story really hits ya. That is complete BS, and to make it that much worse, you know there is nothing anyone can do. The only thing bitching will do is waste time. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 17:35:15 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25581 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:36:26 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:36:00 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: gixer@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From RoadRacing World Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hey, that reminds me of a license plate I saw recently. "YUCK FOU" Don't think it was from Okie though. hehe Scooter >>> "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" 09/24/98 = 05:01PM >>> No Todd... As a native Okie, it's "Tuck Fexas" he he he Collin Todd Peer wrote: > Screw Texas! >=20 > Todd --=20 _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/=20 (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 18:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27305 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TJFJa29185; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6054b539.360ac627@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:22:31 EDT To: mdpetty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/24/98 11:50:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mdpetty@XXXXXX writes: << So, how much of that skid was due to the cold tires on a cold road? I don't think I was braking that hard, >> Using the rear brake at all in a panic situation, is in my humble opinion, the cause of many drops and falls. Notwithstanding the great benefit gained from an MSF course, I disagree completely with the MSF on this. Most high-performance riding teachers e.g., Code for one tell you to forget it exists to avoid using it automatically when one gets into a panic situation. When you get to the top levels of racing maybe a thumb activated rear brake (like Doohan) used to induce sliding might be appropriate. The small benefit in reduction of braking distance is more than compensated for the falls its use causes. I believe that perhaps cruisers, with the rear weight bias they exhibit and the type of riding done on the majority of cruisers, may benefit from rear brake use, but even that is questionable in my opinion. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 18:43:18 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28177 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DPXQWUKB; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:30:56 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From RoadRacing World Message-ID: <19980922.160017.10135.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000e01bde7fa$3234c000$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,22-27,29-55 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:30:56 EDT As I recall, "Don't Mess With Texas" was originally the slogan for a statewide anti-littering campaign. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember. On a peripherally related topic, while riding through Texas once I rode through a tarantula spider mass migration! Apparently, every year, tarantulas all pick up and move en masse in response to some call of nature. I don't know about that, but I will tell you that it was about dusk and up ahead I saw what looked like a shallow stream of water crossing the highway. When I got right up on it, the stream wasn't water but thousands upon thousands of hairy-legged beady-eyed spiders creepy-crawling across the road. There was no way to avoid them, so I just gritted my teeth and plowed through them. It sounded like I was riding through puddles after a rainstorm. Very moist and squishy. Bleah! At the next gas station I saw, I pulled in and hopped off the bike. Under the lights, I was horrified to discover that my bike and I were slick to the knees with spider juice and covered with various hairy parts, some of which still moved. I begged the attendant for access to their water hose and doused everything with as much water pressure as I could make with my thumb in the stream. When I was finished, I gingerly straddled the bike and fired it up. Nothing leaped out at me, so I hit the road still covered in goosebumps. To this day, I refuse to ride through or in any other way "mess with Texas." That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:30:40 -0400 "Todd Peer" writes: >A lot of you have heard about the latest law-enforcement fiasco >targeting >motorcyclists down in the big state of Texas. Go to >http://www.roadracingworld.com/issues/Oct98/oakhill.htm > >"Don't Mess With Texas"! I've seen this bumpersticker on Texas plated >vehicles and am dubious. > >What does it mean when your police can blanket a racetrack and search >EVERYBODY on the notion of retrieving stolen vehicles.? "Don't Mess >With >Texas"??? > >What does it mean when your legislature cuts a deal with a bunch of >statists >to allow you to go helmetless IF you can prove you have catastrophic >health >insurance? "Don't Mess With Texas"??? > > "Do you know vy I am pulling you ovah!", "No, Sir", "Paperz, >show me >za Paperz now!" > > Screw Texas! > >Todd ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 19:12:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29497 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05716 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09181 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-182-217.s217.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.217]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13972; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809242312.TAA13972@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: , "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:15:48 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am interested. What type of turn out do you expect? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Michael Troutman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Saturday Ride > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 9:33 AM > > A few friends and I will be venturing from Centreville, VA to Harpers Ferry > and back. If you are interested, 10:00am Saturday at the Chesapeake Bagel > Bakery in Centreville on Saturday. Plan to get rolling by 10:30am or so. > > The Bagel Bakery is located in the Shopper's Food Warehouse center on Rt. > 29 at Rt. 28. It is next to the Trak Auto. > > Look for me (Red CB750) or Trevor (YZF600) > > The plan will be 29 to 234 North, to 15 North all the way up to the Harpers > Ferry Scenic Route (left turn off 15 after the big bridge) which is pretty > twisty, go through a few small towns, then pop out on 310? The big super > highway up there. Then we will go to HF, stop for lunch in the town across > the street, then return 310? to 15 to 50. Shouldnt be real long - maybe > 2.5 hours. > > I dont plan on leading the ride, just organizing directions. If any of you > more experienced riders do show up, plan on riding in front or in back :-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 20:08:13 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01826 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p33.sas1.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.33]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA27457 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:07:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <360ADE33.4D3D@flash.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:05:07 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: From RoadRacing World References: <000e01bde7fa$3234c000$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19980922.160017.10135.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > When I got right up on it, the stream wasn't water > but thousands upon thousands of hairy-legged beady-eyed spiders > creepy-crawling across the road. There was no way to avoid them, so I > just gritted my teeth and plowed through them. It sounded like I was > riding through puddles after a rainstorm. Very moist and squishy. Bleah! > At the next gas station I saw, I pulled in and hopped off the bike. Under > the lights, I was horrified to discover that my bike and I were slick to > the knees with spider juice and covered with various hairy parts, some of > which still moved. I begged the attendant for access to their water hose > and doused everything with as much water pressure as I could make with my > thumb in the stream. When I was finished, I gingerly straddled the bike > and fired it up. Nothing leaped out at me, so I hit the road still > covered in goosebumps. To this day, I refuse to ride through or in any > other way "mess with Texas." Oh yeah! Well, I once rode over an empty styrofoam cup, and the noise was awful! Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 22:16:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07285 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07401 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12511 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA17976; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-44-82.s82.tnt3.brd.erols.com(207.172.44.82) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xmaa17972; Thu, 24 Sep 98 22:16:13 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980924221606.0112c094@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:16:11 -0400 To: "Roy D. Turner" , From: Mike T Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So far its only 3 if you come along :-) At 07:15 PM 9/24/98 -0400, Roy D. Turner wrote: >I am interested. What type of turn out do you expect? Roy D. Turner, Esq. > >---------- >> From: Michael Troutman >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Saturday Ride >> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 9:33 AM >> >> A few friends and I will be venturing from Centreville, VA to Harpers >Ferry >> and back. If you are interested, 10:00am Saturday at the Chesapeake >Bagel >> Bakery in Centreville on Saturday. Plan to get rolling by 10:30am or so. > >> >> The Bagel Bakery is located in the Shopper's Food Warehouse center on Rt. >> 29 at Rt. 28. It is next to the Trak Auto. >> >> Look for me (Red CB750) or Trevor (YZF600) >> >> The plan will be 29 to 234 North, to 15 North all the way up to the >Harpers >> Ferry Scenic Route (left turn off 15 after the big bridge) which is >pretty >> twisty, go through a few small towns, then pop out on 310? The big super >> highway up there. Then we will go to HF, stop for lunch in the town >across >> the street, then return 310? to 15 to 50. Shouldnt be real long - maybe >> 2.5 hours. >> >> I dont plan on leading the ride, just organizing directions. If any of >you >> more experienced riders do show up, plan on riding in front or in back >:-) >> >> ___________________________________________ >> Mike Troutman >> http://www.troutman.org >> >> '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) >> >> "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." > ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org SYMPTOM: Floor blurred. FAULT: You are looking through bottom of empty glass. ACTION: Get someone to buy you another beer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 24 23:05:53 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09526 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr39-dialup39.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EZT00N8HKKREM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:05:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:01:43 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re:Sun. ride To: Boiade@XXXXXX, DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002401bde849$f9d53c80$a74c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Fred, What's the head count so far? I'm just asking because I've been invited to ride up to PA and watch a hillclimb with some guys. I have to decide by Sat.. I really want to meet some more of the new listers, but if it's a really small turn out, I'll wait till the next ride. I really want to go on this one though, I live about 30min. from Annapolis and would like to see some good roads down there. Thanks, Jon -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX To: mdpetty@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 3:34 PM Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? >In a message dated 9/24/98 11:50:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >mdpetty@XXXXXX writes: > ><< So, how much of that skid was due to the cold tires on a cold > road? I don't think I was braking that hard, >> > >Using the rear brake at all in a panic situation, is in my humble opinion, the >cause of many drops and falls. Notwithstanding the great benefit gained from >an MSF course, I disagree completely with the MSF on this. > >Most high-performance riding teachers e.g., Code for one tell you to forget it >exists to avoid using it automatically when one gets into a panic situation. >When you get to the top levels of racing maybe a thumb activated rear brake >(like Doohan) used to induce sliding might be appropriate. The small benefit >in reduction of braking distance is more than compensated for the falls its >use causes. > >I believe that perhaps cruisers, with the rear weight bias they exhibit and >the type of riding done on the majority of cruisers, may benefit from rear >brake use, but even that is questionable in my opinion. > >Ciao, > >Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 00:36:22 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13144 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:22:51 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD" , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:22:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bde83c$17f11800$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Get a fuellie bike? Seriously, make sure the battery is charged up. Ride year round. I've always slowly gotten into the change in choke/throttle settings as the weather slowly gets cooler. OTOH, I don't have a flaky kickstart bike. That would make things a bit stranger... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > On the subject of cold, however, how about some advice on cold weather > starting? Any good ideas anyone? From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 00:36:21 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13142 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:22:52 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , Subject: RE: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bde83c$18b2e160$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <6054b539.360ac627@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Ride my Wing. You'll develop a newfound appreciation for that big pedal on the right. But, you're right. Weight distribution does make a difference. Rear brake on the BWMs helped, but not a whole lot. Wing.... Use it if you wanna stop in this county. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 00:41:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13435 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09650 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15294 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:38:02 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: That Kawi W 650 at Intermot Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:37:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bde83e$34c6c4a0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Of course everybody had to talk about the big news at Intermot: the GSXR1300, the Suzuki Hawk rip-off, the K12LT... But for me, it's that Kawi parallel twin. Somehow, I doubt we'll see it in the states. Might have to look into a grey import. It can't cost that much more than a decently restored Triumph, and this thing has GOT to be miles more reliable (and probably better suspension, brakes, power to boot). This is a cool bike. Of course, I also liked the Miata over a MGB for the same reason. That is a nifty bike... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 05:42:53 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA25807 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:42:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EKBTa02316; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43e3a02.360b6568@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:42:00 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sun. ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/24/98 11:07:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << but if it's a really small turn out, >> >From the responses it appears it will be about 6-8 riders. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 05:49:57 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA26119 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:49:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7YLGa18748; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8cb00004.360b670a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:48:58 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, mdpetty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/25/98 12:27:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Ride my Wing. You'll develop a newfound appreciation for that big pedal on the right. >> That's about 400 lbs. static on a rear tire with about the same cross-section (or less) than my rear tire (180) which carries about 200 lbs. static and much less when weight transfers under braking. I think Gold-Wings with the trunks on the rear etc. are a whole different story. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 06:35:23 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27860 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:33:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) No offense but a V65 is quite a beast for a newbie. Glenn > Okay, newbie question time... > > Yesterday morning on the way to work, the two cars in front of > me that I expected to scoot through a yellow light decided to, in fact, > stop. Thus reducing the area that I was going to brake in by about half. > erk. No biggie, I knew this might happen, so I had enough room, I just > had to be a tad more aggressive. > > Well, in this aggressive braking maneuver, I managed to lock up > my rear wheel. I immediately unlocked it, and re-aplied it, and > successfully came to a stop with room to spare. > > Anyway, on to the question. This was yesterday morning, about 8 > am. I'd only been on the bike for about three minutes. The bike is > stored outside, so when I started riding, the tires were probably about > 55 degrees. On would assume that the rode was also about that temp, too. > > So, how much of that skid was due to the cold tires on a cold > road? I don't think I was braking that hard, but maybe I was. How long > does it take tires to warm up, anyway? How much do I have to worry about > riding in through Clifton (shady and twisty roads) on a cold morning, if > at all? > > -Mark > '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 07:27:14 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29898 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:25:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Bike Rag Favor (again) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:25:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) >From MAW online: (http://www.accwhse.com/) (53801) $132.95 Michelin Macadam 90-X 150/70zr18 Rear (30530) $101.95 Michelin Macadam 90-X 120/80ZR16 Front I know some people (such as Collin) hate MAW but I've been using them for more then 10 years and never had a problem. Glenn > I would like to know the advertised price of Michelin Macadams which > would fit my machine (150/70/18 & 120/80/16) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 07:34:59 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00329 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED7FD@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: cold tires? continuation.. Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:33:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, I think everyone will agree that this morning is warmer than yesterday morning. Well, after my 33.4mile ride to work, the first thing I did was check my tires for warmth. In the summer, after a hard ride, if I do the same.. I feel a significant ammount of heat.. I can leave my hand on it, but it's quite warm.. Now, this morning, I could tell that the tire was slightly warmer than the ambient air temperature.. I also know that at this temperature they are much less sticky because I hammered it coming into my complex and got the backend waaaaaaaay out of shape (sliiiide, snap.. attempt to spit and lots of wiggle). I've hit the same corner Harder when the temperature was both a little warmer, and the road temp was much warmer and haven't had this effect. OK, well.. I did this on purpose.. I also pretty much knew what to expect (though not the severity).. I feel safe saying that had I been less experienced, I would be outside, right now, picking myself and my bike up off the ground. If you're new to riding on streets that aren't cooked to perfection, on tires that aren't as sticky as can be.. just ride cautiously.. expect wheels to lock when braking hard, expect a wheel to slide if you accelerate out of a corner hard, and expect to go down if you enter a corner hard.. Unfortunatally, sport rideing is a summer event only (in this area).. winter's time to just ride whenever and wherever possible.. now is when the group rides start having their appeal towards me.. nothing like 40 some odd MCs in a staggered line weaving their way through the countryside.. just make sure that if Collin's up front leading, no blue-haired old ladies drive slow infront of him.. :P Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 07:58:05 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01272 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA08349 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:58:02 -0400 Message-ID: <07ab01bde87b$9ba2c880$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Moto-related? (Well, I rode my bike) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:57:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 For the kid in all of us -- Cirque du Soleil remains outstanding (at Tysons). Saw this troupe several years ago on the Mall and was mesmerized -- and I like to think I've seen a lot. Couldn't resist their reappearance this year so took it in last night. We think we've got balance, coordination, timing, dexterity, flash, panache, physique control, dedication to practice (all at the right times). This French-Canadian group (Ahhh, bless Montreal) does it in spades with a marvelous human-in-a-wheel, ball jugglers, trapezes, an unbelieveable balancing duet, an Asian spinning tops quartet, and beaucoup more. With typically spiffy Fr-Can costumes/lighting/music. Sounds schmaltzy but I'd bet on big applause from anyone who goes. The Post site expands: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ at the bottom search for Cirque. 1 800 678 5440. $30 mid. There are various performance times to accommodate families and half-price opportunities. Don't sit in the two rows behind the one circular aisle (probably row H, I): The level aisle nulls the amphitheatre slope. Even-numbered Sections 202, 204, etc. closest to parking. The garage trek can end up deceptively lengthy -- let people out first. 'Til October 18. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Ready to try a sumersault Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 09:23:57 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04546 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-9.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.50]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10595 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:23:54 -0400 Message-ID: <085b01bde887$9ab4a180$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: HD Open House in York Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:22:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan list -- "This weekend, the Harley-Davidson assembly plant in York, Pa, will be hosting its annual open house. There will be free tours of the factory and museum, and free hotdogs and drinks, too. At the local fairgrounds, you can test ride their latest models. This is always a fun event, and a great opportunity to see THOUSANDS of bikes - . . ." Also -- An ad in Motorcycle Times 9-10/98 talks about York Bike Night Friday, Sept. 25. 6-10p. MC Parade lineup begins at 5p at York Expo Center. Food, Vendors, Drill Team. 717 854 1587 for info. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 09:40:50 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05272 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 381; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:39:52 -0400 Message-ID: <360B9D54.EA547DCD@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:40:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? References: <000901bde83c$18b2e160$1e80e2cf@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Ride my Wing. You'll develop a newfound appreciation for that big > pedal on the right. George, I was under the impression that the rear pedal brake on the Wings was linked to the front brake somehow. Maybe it's just the newer ones. This true? Apparently too many gray-haired Whale riders feared being pitched over the handlebars if they used the front brake lever (yeah, like the Goldwings are stoppie monsters!) so Honda linked 'em up. I say throw linked brakes and ABS in the trash can. Let ME stop the bike, please. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 10:06:16 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06239 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:07:16 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED800@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Linked brakes.. again Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:04:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dale, I am of the same opinion.. kinda. I, personally, can use and abuse my brakes better while not linked together. I've learned how to do it.. but those linked brakes (at least on the VFR800) do STOP the bike. They stop it in a hurry, and they do it in a very smooth and progressive way. There's nothing wrong with them.. except you can trail-brake into a corner (not that very many people know what that is, much less how to do it right), and you can assist U-turns with the rear brake.. stoppies are hard too I've heard... locking up the rear is damn near impossible, and that in and of itself will be invaluable to the newer rider riding to work first thing in the morning in the fall and having to emergency stop.. But what do *I* know.. I'm just one man.. with large opinions.. Brian P.S. didn't you used to rip on new bikes all the time too? Before you bought the Conni? Then changed your tune.. just because you got to experience things you thought were bad.. Linked brakes SOUND like a terrible idea.. but the work wonderfully.. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman I say throw linked brakes and ABS in the trash can. Let ME stop the bike, please. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 10:28:05 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07045 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA23227; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:29:47 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa22639; Fri, 25 Sep 98 10:28:21 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZU00G45G4OSC@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525668A.004F24E1 ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:24:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:24:07 -0400 Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? To: Dale Horstman Cc: George Howell , DC Cycles List Message-id: <8525668A.004F0072.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Dale, That would be H-LBS (the Honda Linked Braking System), and it effects more than just the Wings. I know the VFR800 has it, and I think the CBR 1100XX as well. I have very limited experience with it, but don't notice much difference in "everyday" type riding conditions ... YMMV, chris To: George Howell , DC Cycles List cc: From: Dale Horstman Date: 09/25/98 01:40:36 PM GMT Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? George Howell wrote: > > Ride my Wing. You'll develop a newfound appreciation for that big > pedal on the right. George, I was under the impression that the rear pedal brake on the Wings was linked to the front brake somehow. Maybe it's just the newer ones. This true? Apparently too many gray-haired Whale riders feared being pitched over the handlebars if they used the front brake lever (yeah, like the Goldwings are stoppie monsters!) so Honda linked 'em up. I say throw linked brakes and ABS in the trash can. Let ME stop the bike, please. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 11:00:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08370 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15819 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24943 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:56:52 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01bde894$ae0c7de0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <360B9D54.EA547DCD@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I have a 1981. It's the last year without the linked brakes and without the anti-dive front end. It's also the last year for single piston front brakes:) As far as ABS... I dunno. I'm not expert rider, so I guess I'm glad they're there on the BMW. But I don't think they modulate fast enough to be terribly safe. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I was under the impression that the rear pedal brake on the Wings > was linked to the front brake somehow. Maybe it's just the > newer ones. This true? Apparently too many gray-haired Whale > riders feared being pitched over the handlebars if they used the > front brake lever (yeah, like the Goldwings are stoppie monsters!) > so Honda linked 'em up. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 11:00:28 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08373 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:56:54 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Linked brakes.. again Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:56:32 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bde894$aeccc0a0$1e80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED800@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I for one have no idea what trail braking is:) As far as linked brakes helping newbies, inexperienced riders, etc... Should those things be on a sport bike (sorry, read interactive motorcycle last night:) And from what I understand, most linked brake systems work okay. Except for those on the Moto-Guzzi. Of course, I've never tried 'em myself... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > P.S. didn't you used to rip on new bikes all the time too? Before you > bought the Conni? Then changed your tune.. just because you got to > experience things you thought were bad.. Linked brakes SOUND like a > terrible idea.. but the work wonderfully.. :-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 11:07:43 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08757 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:08:39 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED804@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Linked brakes.. again Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:05:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Trail braking is the process of using the rear brake to 'settle' the bike while turning into a corner.. you trail off the brake after turn-in.. turst me, this is an advanced tecnique. So much so that even most professional racers never use it.. personally, I like to try and experiment with everything I learn about.. you never know when you might find something that works really good for you. As for LBS on a sportbike.. well, what's the most popular type of bike for the younger, newer riders? Sportbikes.. how many of them get in WAY over their heads.. probably close to 99% I think LBS and ABS are a good idea.. to bad they only exist on new, expensive, 'old-fogy' (like BMWs.. and I like the R1100S) bikes.. newbies will never be able to afford the technology.. but it's a cool Whistle to add to the other Bells (like an ambient temp gauge? Please). *shrug* Brian -----Original Message----- I for one have no idea what trail braking is:) As far as linked brakes helping newbies, inexperienced riders, etc... Should those things be on a sport bike (sorry, read interactive motorcycle last night:) And from what I understand, most linked brake systems work okay. Except for those on the Moto-Guzzi. Of course, I've never tried 'em myself... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 11:09:33 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08775 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA05481; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:08:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA09491; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:08:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980925150845.YGQX31405@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:08:45 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: Subject: Texas, RE: From RoadRacing World Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bde896$48aede00$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19980922.160017.10135.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal You're right about what the slogan was designed for. A fellow employee here at work (from Arkansas) explained it to me. Unless you're from around there though, it sure looks like they (Texans) got a big chip on their collective shoulder. Now, about your story....EEeeewwww! =:o Todd > > As I recall, "Don't Mess With Texas" was originally the slogan for a > statewide anti-littering campaign. I could be wrong, but that's what I > remember. > > On a peripherally related topic, while riding through Texas once I rode > through a tarantula spider mass migration! Apparently, every year, > tarantulas all pick up and move en masse in response to some call of > nature. I don't know about that, but I will tell you that it was about > dusk and up ahead I saw what looked like a shallow stream of water > crossing the highway. When I got right up on it, the stream wasn't water > but thousands upon thousands of hairy-legged beady-eyed spiders > creepy-crawling across the road. There was no way to avoid them, so I > just gritted my teeth and plowed through them. It sounded like I was > riding through puddles after a rainstorm. Very moist and squishy. Bleah! > At the next gas station I saw, I pulled in and hopped off the bike. Under > the lights, I was horrified to discover that my bike and I were slick to > the knees with spider juice and covered with various hairy parts, some of > which still moved. I begged the attendant for access to their water hose > and doused everything with as much water pressure as I could make with my > thumb in the stream. When I was finished, I gingerly straddled the bike > and fired it up. Nothing leaped out at me, so I hit the road still > covered in goosebumps. To this day, I refuse to ride through or in any > other way "mess with Texas." > > That's my 2 pennies worth... > > --Bikes R Us-- > Go to > >http://www.roadracingworld.com/issues/Oct98/oakhill.htm > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 11:57:11 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10952 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F37@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Texas, RE: From RoadRacing World Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:01:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain You were probably near the fruitcake factory -- even those tarantulas prefer bugs. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 25, 1998 11:08 AM > To: Bikes R Us > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Texas, RE: From RoadRacing World > > You're right about what the slogan was designed for. A fellow employee > here > at work (from Arkansas) explained it to me. Unless you're from around > there > though, it sure looks like they (Texans) got a big chip on their > collective > shoulder. > > Now, about your story....EEeeewwww! =:o > > Todd > > > > > As I recall, "Don't Mess With Texas" was originally the slogan for a > > statewide anti-littering campaign. I could be wrong, but that's what I > > remember. > > > > On a peripherally related topic, while riding through Texas once I rode > > through a tarantula spider mass migration! Apparently, every year, > > tarantulas all pick up and move en masse in response to some call of > > nature. I don't know about that, but I will tell you that it was about > > dusk and up ahead I saw what looked like a shallow stream of water > > crossing the highway. When I got right up on it, the stream wasn't water > > but thousands upon thousands of hairy-legged beady-eyed spiders > > creepy-crawling across the road. There was no way to avoid them, so I > > just gritted my teeth and plowed through them. It sounded like I was > > riding through puddles after a rainstorm. Very moist and squishy. Bleah! > > At the next gas station I saw, I pulled in and hopped off the bike. > Under > > the lights, I was horrified to discover that my bike and I were slick to > > the knees with spider juice and covered with various hairy parts, some > of > > which still moved. I begged the attendant for access to their water hose > > and doused everything with as much water pressure as I could make with > my > > thumb in the stream. When I was finished, I gingerly straddled the bike > > and fired it up. Nothing leaped out at me, so I hit the road still > > covered in goosebumps. To this day, I refuse to ride through or in any > > other way "mess with Texas." > > > > That's my 2 pennies worth... > > > > --Bikes R Us-- > > Go to > > >http://www.roadracingworld.com/issues/Oct98/oakhill.htm > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 12:31:58 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12258 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 348; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:31:06 -0400 Message-ID: <360BC575.C74AE0DF@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:31:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Linked brakes.. again References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED800@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > P.S. didn't you used to rip on new bikes all the time too? Before you > bought the Conni? Then changed your tune.. just because you got to > experience things you thought were bad.. Yeah, I ripped on new bike technology pretty bad, then had my old bike start to fail me regularly. I bought a new bike that was essentially designed in 1986, and hadn't changed much. And my new bike is hot as hell, it's more of a pain to do maintenance because of all the bodywork, and I have to fart around and worry about a radiator. But it's got shaft drive, corners like it's on rails, and runs on cheap gas. I guess it's a keeper. I'm working on a way to mount highway pegs on it, that'll help with the heat and comfort. But I digress. > Linked brakes SOUND like a > terrible idea.. but the work wonderfully.. :-) Must admit, I haven't tried 'em. But if it's another gimmick moto makers use to inflate new bike prices, I'm not interested. Compare the ABS to non ABS Honda ST1100 prices sometime. If these fancy systems someday become cheap, effective, and easy to maintain, I might change my tune. Right now they ain't. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 12:34:35 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12289 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 251; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:33:42 -0400 Message-ID: <360BC611.34D86465@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:34:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: What's this cold tire thing, anyway? References: <8525668A.004F0027.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Dale, > > That would be H-LBS (the Honda Linked Braking System), and it effects more > than just the Wings. Yeah, but I thought it was developed as a crutch for crotchety old Wingriders who couldn't be told that the *FRONT* brake is actually the better brake to use when stopping. Now these old blue hairs ride around the country stomping on their foot-pedals to stop the bike entirely, and argue that this is the way God intended motorcycle brakes to work. :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 12:35:42 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12368 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:34:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Linked brakes.. again Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:34:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Alright Brain, that's enough out of you young man! :-) Glenn > but it's a cool Whistle to add to the other Bells (like an ambient temp > gauge? Please). > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 13:03:37 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13538 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:04:37 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED806@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: cold tires? continuation.. Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:01:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, I think everyone will agree that this morning is warmer than yesterday morning. Well, after my 33.4mile ride to work, the first thing I did was check my tires for warmth. In the summer, after a hard ride, if I do the same.. I feel a significant ammount of heat.. I can leave my hand on it, but it's quite warm.. Now, this morning, I could tell that the tire was slightly warmer than the ambient air temperature.. I also know that at this temperature they are much less sticky because I hammered it coming into my complex and got the backend waaaaaaaay out of shape (sliiiide, snap.. attempt to spit and lots of wiggle). I've hit the same corner Harder when the temperature was both a little warmer, and the road temp was much warmer and haven't had this effect. OK, well.. I did this on purpose.. I also pretty much knew what to expect (though not the severity).. I feel safe saying that had I been less experienced, I would be outside, right now, picking myself and my bike up off the ground. If you're new to riding on streets that aren't cooked to perfection, on tires that aren't as sticky as can be.. just ride cautiously.. expect wheels to lock when braking hard, expect a wheel to slide if you accelerate out of a corner hard, and expect to go down if you enter a corner hard.. Unfortunatally, sport rideing is a summer event only (in this area).. winter's time to just ride whenever and wherever possible.. now is when the group rides start having their appeal towards me.. nothing like 40 some odd MCs in a staggered line weaving their way through the countryside.. just make sure that if Collin's up front leading, no blue-haired old ladies drive slow infront of him.. :P Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 13:30:54 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14809 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 346; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:29:59 -0400 Message-ID: <360BD342.2183C772@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:30:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , KZ LTD List Subject: Saw my old bike last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, a funny note, I passed my old bike (the 78 1000 LTD) going the other way in traffic last night. The bike, with new owner, was stopped waiting for a left hand turn. I noticed the bike and knew it almost immediately (funny how ownership changes your perception of different bikes, that one was MINE). The sad thing was, the new owner DIDN'T EVEN return my wave. I hope the ol' LTD stalled on him, it'd serve him right. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1978 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD - Not mine anymore :( From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 14:17:45 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16645 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA14313; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:17:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA31771; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:17:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980925181706.FGD31405@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:17:06 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Linked brakes.. again Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bde8b0$986536a0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <360BC575.C74AE0DF@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I think you're saying that if the LBS/ABS becomes standard.... That's the only way they'll ever get cheaper since that'll be the only thing around anyway. I agree with you on the big price difference between the ST-ABS and standard ST. However, in numerous un-scientific tests performed by ST-Listers, the ABS ALWAYS out-stops the standard. Of course, attempting to stop very quickly on a 670lb beast with standard braking can be a little more unnerving than simply squeezing as hard as you can on an ABS equipped same. Having said all that though, I still would prefer the standard set-up for the same reasons you guys have given. If I'm gonna crash because of braking, I want to be to blame not a broken ABS/LBS system. I know, it's stoopid! :^) Todd > > Linked brakes SOUND like a > > terrible idea.. but the work wonderfully.. :-) > > Must admit, I haven't tried 'em. But if it's another gimmick > moto makers use to inflate new bike prices, I'm not interested. > Compare the ABS to non ABS Honda ST1100 prices sometime. If > these fancy systems someday become cheap, effective, and easy to maintain, > I might change my tune. Right now they ain't. > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 14:34:35 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17421 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809251834.OAA17421@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A2382A0292; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:34:32 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:08:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up In-Reply-To: <360A933C.58E5CF49@tidalwave.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:45 PM 9/24/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Thomas, John, Capt, DINFOS/PAD wrote: >> >> In the Motorcycle Safety Course they teach you that once you're in a skid >> with the rear wheel locking up HOLD the skid and DON'T release it. That's a >> risky thing to do, as the wheel catching traction again could flip your bad >> self all over the road...it's worked for me in traffic situations, twice. > >This is the only part of the MSF curriculum that I really have >any heartburn with. WTF do they mean about DON'T release it? >You mean I've gotta drag around my locked real wheel forever? Wait until you've stopped, then release the rear brake. >If your rear wheel is slipping because of poor traction, then >that same wheel causing a high-side when it suddenly regains >traction on this slick surface just doesn't seem plausible. Not true. The rear locks relatively easily under hard braking in any traction condition. Rolling friction is always greater than sliding friction, so when you release the brake, the tire will grab the road. >If your rear starts to lock up, and you feel it start to get >out of line, let off, and reapply the rear gently. At most, >you get a slight but manageable twitch as the rear steps back >in line with the front. That depends on where the rear end is when you release the brake. I've gotten a bike into a full-blown fish-tail back and forth by releasing the rear brake with the rear end too far out of line. It wasn't until the MSF class that I figured exactly what had happened. Practice braking so you're less likely to lock the rear. Expect that the rear wheel will lock sometimes. Know that the safest course of action is to keep the rear wheel locked until you come to a stop. Know also that if the bike is traveling straight, you can probably release the rear brake with little hazard. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 14:59:09 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18456 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11127; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:00:04 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11979AB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:00:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 25, 1998 2:44 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up > > > Not true. The rear locks relatively easily under hard braking in any > traction condition. Rolling friction is always greater than sliding > friction, so when you release the brake, the tire will grab the road. > Ok, leave it to a geek (meaning me) to haggle over terminology :) The two types of friction are static and kinematic friction. When the tire is rolling, static friction comes into play. (Looking at a free body diagram, at the point of contact with the road, the tire is at rest.) When the tire is sliding, kinematic friction takes over. Like Chris said, Static friction is much higher than kinematic friction. The problem described though, doesn't have as much to do with the friction part of it as it does with degree of freedom. When the tire is locked, all the force of the motorcycle is locked into one location and once sliding, will continue sliding until the bike/tire force is equal to the friction force (at which point you're either stopped, or you high side). When you release the brake mid slide, you are using some of the bikes force to make the wheel go round and round again. Many times, this will make the bikes sliding force drop well below the static friction point, hence that very unpleasant sudden departure from the seat of your bike.... I know there are some technical details left out of the above, but I'm sure no one wants to go back to Dynamics 101 any more than I already have..... OK, I admit it...I'm goofing off at work, and had nothing better to do than rattle on about friction forces....Anyone out there remember the good ole problems of how much force at x distance above the baseline is required to push the big box without tipping it over :) Collin From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 15:05:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18849 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19555 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03872 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Sep 25 14:01 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA00510 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:01:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDE895.4F972AC0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:01:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Medi Bike Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:01:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw this NJ news item today . . . . Saint Barnabas Fields Biker EMT's (LIVINGSTON) -- It sounds like an idea for a television series... the motorcycle medics. Saint Barnabas Medical Center in Livingston has assembled a corps of 12 emergency medical technicians. They will use specially-equipped bikes designed to carry most of the equipment an ambulance does. Officials say the motorcycles will be able to go places ambulances canNOT. The bikers will be stationed on the Jersey Shore in the summer. The program is believed to be the first of its kind in the country. I also saw a Herndon Police MC down as I was going to lunch. I couldn't tell exactly what happened but it appears that the MC rear ended a cage. Later. . . . John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 15:20:53 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19359 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA22087 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:20:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29298 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980925192014.WQX31405@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:20:14 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: They Finally Did It!! Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:19:28 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bde8b9$6a3e3f20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Go to http://www.delorme.com/products/ Delorme has finally pulled together USGS topography detail and incorporated it into cool fly over software. Now, in addition to plotting out twisty roads, you can actually see the elevation changes and surrounding landscape...before you leave! Very cool, and about time. It's a little pricey at $100, but it definitely looks like THE thing to have when planning a fun moto-tour. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 25 15:52:26 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20735 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 1URRa19214; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8caff85f.360bf452@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:51:46 EDT To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: this cold tire thing and rear lock-up Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/25/98 2:40:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << Expect that the rear wheel will lock sometimes. >> That's the crux of the problem with instinctive rear brake usage. <> Hmmmm, as your bike is sliding on its side? If one is foolish enough to lock- up up a rear brake in a turn, keeping it locked will assure a low-side. Anyway, one can avoid the problem of rear brake slides by not using the rear brake in a panic situation. Listers interested should read Keith Code's book when he talks about rear brake usage. It is very instructive even for the street. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 00:37:33 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12204 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA27750 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360C9AD8.3EB8@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:42:16 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Braking Oscillation Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Thanks to Chris, Collin and Brian for interesting and useful remarks regarding rear braking. My question to the list has to do with front end shaking though... I just replaced the MC, rebult the calipers and replaced the pads in the front. The ole' Inteceptor stops way quicker than before, but under four-finger simulated panic conditions, the front end oscillates _violently_ when the brake is applied - this at speeds of 25-30 mph. This seems to be the same whether the rear is judiciously applied at the same time or not. Any theories on what might be wrong with this picture? TIA, JK From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 03:35:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA19560 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00258 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA18275 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:31:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: what time sunday Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:31:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bde91f$ab67b380$1f80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 What time are we meeting on Sunday? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 04:47:47 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA24659 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 04:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA04771 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:47:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv13-73.ix.netcom.com(204.32.189.73) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004769; Sat Sep 26 03:46:45 1998 Message-ID: <000901bde92a$0ff8be20$49bd20cc@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken Shephard" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Leaving for York at 0530 hours this AM, Heading up 81 to Rt 30 , W from there Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 04:45:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDE908.8786A3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDE908.8786A3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anybody wants to meet up, I am heading North on I81 to Rt 30 , = leaving at 0530 hours. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDE908.8786A3C0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 07:11:11 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00269 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:11:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RWVJa02341; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:09:42 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Braking Oscillation Question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/26/98 12:42:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << Any theories on what might be wrong with this picture? >> If you haven't, break in the pads a bit before you worry too much. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 07:11:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00267 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02192 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19794 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7URJa02328; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e993909.360ccb97@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:10:15 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: what time sunday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Meet at 9:30 and leave at 10:. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 07:43:21 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01522 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-11.s11.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.11]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11343; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360CD381.FE9C9CDF@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:44:01 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Braking Oscillation Question References: <360C9AD8.3EB8@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a gov't conspiracy :) he he Actually, trying to let the pads bed in better may help, but I've rarely seen that with modern made pads. It sounds awefully similar to a warped brake rotor. Try checking the runout on each disk. Collin John C. Kozyn wrote: >> Any theories on what might be wrong with this picture? -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 07:54:53 1998 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01911 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:54:50 -0400 (EDT) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3YIZa03785 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <668b4a45.360cd5c3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:53:39 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Skyline Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Hello DC-Cycle Riders! I'm new to your group and wanted to share a neat ride that's planned for October! A ride to Skyline Drive is planned for October 10 and 11. If you're interested, I'll be happy to e-mail all the details!! Safe riding, Lee From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 11:32:59 1998 Return-Path: true@XXXXXX Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09995 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-163.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.163]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id LAA08963; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809261532.LAA08963@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:26:40 -0400 To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Braking Oscillation Question In-Reply-To: <360C9AD8.3EB8@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Did you check the runout (is that the right measurement?) on the rotors? i.e., how much "warp" or side to side motion they demonstrate as they spin. There are acceptable limits for these in the service manual. I don't have yours, but I can give you mine if you need them (probably in the ballpark). I only think of this because it might contribute more oscillation to the system, now that everything else's been tightened up. MET At 03:42 AM 9/26/98 , John C. Kozyn wrote: >I just replaced the MC, rebult the calipers and replaced the pads in the >front. The ole' Inteceptor stops way quicker than before, but under >four-finger simulated panic conditions, the front end oscillates >_violently_ when the brake is applied - this at speeds of 25-30 mph. >This seems to be the same whether the rear is judiciously applied at the >same time or not. > >Any theories on what might be wrong with this picture? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 12:18:51 1998 Return-Path: Brianpm@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11927 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager [206.173.119.82]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id MAA14034; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:18:47 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id MAA27715; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Balt MC Parking? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, so I'm doing yet another job change this year.. this time north to Baltimore. I'm just curious to know if there's MC parking up there like there is in DC.. if it's safe to leave my bike on the street durring the day, or if I have to bite the bullet and actually pay for parking in a lot somewhere.. I'm working at the intersection of Baltimore St and S. Howard (right near Camdon Yards). I just got back from a recon mission (wanted to make sure I knew where I was going before Thursday when I'm supposed to show up for the first time) and saw a couple parking areas in the near vacinity. Did NOT see any motorcycle parking (I was to busy dodging road irregularities to watch much). I might end up taking public transport seeing as it passes and stops litteraly right at the door of my building.. but for the time being, it'll be bike transport. Thanks for any info.. Brian McCoy.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 12:53:20 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13157 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:39:48 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Braking Oscillation Question Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:39:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bde96c$3978cdc0$1f80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <360C9AD8.3EB8@mnsinc.com> Warped rotors? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn [mailto:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 1998 3:42 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Braking Oscillation Question > > > Hey Gang, > > Thanks to Chris, Collin and Brian for interesting and useful remarks > regarding rear braking. My question to the list has to do with front end > shaking though... > > I just replaced the MC, rebult the calipers and replaced the pads in the > front. The ole' Inteceptor stops way quicker than before, but under > four-finger simulated panic conditions, the front end oscillates > _violently_ when the brake is applied - this at speeds of 25-30 mph. > This seems to be the same whether the rear is judiciously applied at the > same time or not. > > Any theories on what might be wrong with this picture? > > TIA, > > JK > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 13:47:53 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15188 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-24.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.65]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11421; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:47:46 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bde975$9fed0cc0$4110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "BRIANPM" , "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Balt MC Parking? Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:46:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Brian, What are we doing punching keys on this glorious Saturday? Anyway, here are a couple of ideas -- The Baltimore maillist page: http://www.widgetworks.com/~peter/balt-cycles/subscribe.html Balt.. Cycle Salvage which is located within fielding distance of Camden Yards 410 462 1335. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: BRIANPM >Ok, so I'm doing yet another job change this year.. this time north to >Baltimore. I'm just curious to know if there's MC parking up there like >there is in DC.. .... From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 13:54:59 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15538 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-24.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.65]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11521 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:54:56 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bde976$a0649140$4110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: A Lemon Law source Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:53:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This just rambled across from the Vulcan List -- one of those stuff-awayers just in case: "Here's a page for those interested in motorcycle lemon laws. Just hope you don't need it. http://www.hillstrom.com/motorcyc.htm " While the map doesn't seem to be working (it looks like the page is a few years old), at least the site might be a start for someone in need. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Tasting sweeter every ride Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 26 18:46:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26449 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08140 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25853 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:46:27 -0400 (EDT) From: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-37-11.s11.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.11]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28774 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980926184747.006b9584@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:47:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Craig's phone number or directions to his house Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone out there have Craig Johnston's phone number or directions to his house??? I don't have it at the house :( thanks Collin (703) 356-4279 _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 27 17:07:56 1998 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18007 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:07:55 -0400 (EDT) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3MLUa13873 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f0b96d1.360ea85d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:04:29 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Referral to a Yamaha Mechanic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I've got a V-Star Classic and would like a referral to a GOOD, HONEST mechanic. Thanks! Lee From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 27 17:28:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18813 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21246 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f77.hotmail.com [207.82.250.183]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07214 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13601 invoked by uid 0); 27 Sep 1998 21:28:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19980927212814.13600.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.147.194 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:28:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.172.147.194] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Ride Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:28:14 PDT I just wanted to let everyone know how much fun my first ride with the list was. We had a great time . Fred laid out a great route. Everyone kept up ( great job Ursalina!!!). We need to plan more rides for the MD riders. Dan Kenney red 97 TL1000s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 27 17:44:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19278 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21370 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07716 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RQVCa22057; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <307b9c2d.360eb0d5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:40:37 EDT To: dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/27/98 5:33:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dankenney@XXXXXX writes: << We need to plan more rides for the MD riders. >> Yes, and I think that you should consider organizing something in St. Mary's soon. And we will switch bikes for a while. Maybe I'll switch with Jon too, he has a quick 600, if he'll trust me with it. But he has to lay out a ride in Northern Maryland. But what if I bring the 86-VFR-750 on the next ride. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 27 20:35:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25731 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22885 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12816 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:35:02 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WJJJa02083 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:34:18 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:34:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sunday Ride Re-Cap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Fred agreed to organize the ride if I would document it. So here goes but please forgive me in advance for missing names/bikes, misspellings, and or course, no flames please. . . . 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Yes, 12 bikes met at Roy Rogers for today's ride in MD (yes Ursulina, MD not VA ... no flames please) and what a fine ride is was. Who showed and who didn't you asked. The following showed up for the ride. Notice I didn't say finish. Yes, we had a boo boo. Guess the rider :) Fred - ZX-9 Blue Streak Dan - Red TL1000S John - Yellow FZR Tom - BMW 1200 Louis - Concourse Ursilina - Kaw 454 Ltd (???) Greg - Valkyrie Hugh - brand new (66 miles) red VFR Brian - 750 Shadow (???) Zbig - CBR XX Black Bird Christopher - CBR F3 me and my Kawasaki Green ZX-6 As far as who didn't ... the rest of you. Your bad. Introductions started an 9:30 and I think everyone met someone new. Promptly at 10:00 we got on the road with Christopher pushing the limit as we saw him miss the meeting point and then double back and find us. Fred planned out a great route through the back roads of Maryland. Roads to be noted are Croom Rd., Croom Station Rd., Sands Rd (for a reason), Patuxent River Rd., Governors Bridge Rd., etc. We made our way on all of these and ended up in Anapolis. On the way we tended to spread out and then regroup at the next stop as riding styles and speeds varied. We never lost a rider, bar the one missed turn by someone. We won't mention her name. Notice the footnote on Sands Rd above. Dan mentioned to us before hitting this road that it is called Sands Rd. for a reason. That is that there are numerous sand and gravel quarries on the road and sometime the debris makes its way onto the road surface as we quickly found. Everyone's left and right legs sticking out signaling debris as we passed in formation. The sand in one spot must have been 6 inches deep. Luckily there were a couple of tracks through it and no one had any problems. Bet you thought this was going to be where we lost a rider. OK, enough suspense. If you guessed Zbig didn't finish you win the big banana. He did have an accident as he put his foot down on the right side into a ditch as we all pulled over and the bike just kept going to the right. Luckily (or unluckily) the bike was saved from falling over by hitting a telephone pole and putting a nice 4 inch dent in the tank. The at the next stop he notice the belts showing on the rear tire. That was the last stop we saw him at. He managed to peal off from the group shortly after that. Zbig ... what happened ... no one new you were leaving. Hope all is well and not to much damage to the bike or ego. :) Can you say road hazards. ROAD HAZARDS. I thought you could. That was a major theme of the trip. If it wasn't cars pulled half way off these small twisty roads it was that guy walking in the middle of the lane in the shadows. I'm glad I wasn't in the lead because he was hard enough to see with riders in front of me signaling. Of course he was cursing us waving his plastic jug. Anyone know what this guy was thinking??? We also had the proverbial truck and trailer stopped on our side of the road with no lights on. Luckily everyone saw him and managed to negotiate without problem. And, I already mentioned Sands Rd. I think I may have missed a road hazard or two. Oh yes, there was the Volvo that managed to slow down as much as possible when she saw us in her rear view mirror. But for the moron she was there was a van that pulled over to let us by later. Hey, batting 500 isn't bad. Well, we finally made it to Anapolis at about 12:15 and all (11 of us) pulled up and made a U-turn right in front of a cop to park on the other side of the street. As Dan mentioned. He probably thought about saying something but just continued on his way. We had lunch at Fred's favorite place, McGarvey's, and then Italian ice cream just down the street. Trip photographer Ursilina took a couple of photos of the bikes lined up prior to us leaving. She promised to scan them and send them out to all. What a selection of styles and colors. It was pretty awesome seeing all the bikes lined up. As we left and headed back to our starting point we found a few more twisties (thanks again Fred) and Fred showed us how to get past a car that won't pull over as he downshifted, hit the throttle, passed the car then slowed way down so the rest of us could pass. Most of us were a little confused at first but appreciate the tactic and his effort after we figured out what was going on. We got back to Roy's on 301 at about 2:30 and as was pointed out by someone (I forget who) it took us over 2 hours to get to Anapolis and only about 1/2 hour to get back. Hey what else can you say but, good road selection. That's about a wrap. If I forgot anything, please feel free to add comments. To wrap it up ... Lots of great people, great bikes, great roads, great food, and no one had a riding accident or got hurt. Til next ride. - Kevin KO ZX6 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 27 21:52:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28507 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23508 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13989 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:49:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DAN KENNEY" , Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: <005501bdea82$9a8e3160$2380e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19980927212814.13600.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Sorry I couldn't make it today. Picked up the Kawasaki last night, as I intended to use that instead of the Wing. Wound up waking up ten minutes late (after my 'if I rush, and ride like a bat outta hell to the meeting place I might make it' time). Turns out to have been a good thing. Bike crapped out on me this afternoon after riding for five minutes. Nearly killed the battery trying to start it. Let it sit for ten minutes (while pushing it home). Sat for a rest, and went to start it, just for kicks. Fired right off. Weird. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: DAN KENNEY [mailto:dankenney@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 5:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sunday Ride > > > I just wanted to let everyone know how much fun my first ride with the > list was. We had a great time . Fred laid out a great route. Everyone > kept up ( great job Ursalina!!!). We need to plan more rides for the MD > riders. > > Dan Kenney > red 97 TL1000s > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 27 22:22:58 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29693 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-40-197.s197.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.197]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10587 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360EF80C.F6DAD95A@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:44:28 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Cheap racing... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarding this from the race list... If anyone is considering racing next year, this looks like a pretty decent deal -----Original Message----- From: Cscheels@XXXXXX To: wera@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 2:02 PM Subject: question >Do you know anyone that is interested in getting into racing without alot of >money? >I am selling my race ready F2 superbike (not push start at present), parts, >leathers , boots, gloves, new helmet, everything. I'm in north atlanta and >need to get rid of it quick (nowhere to store it). its got flatslides, xtra >bodywork, 6 protech sprockets (3 front 3 rear), fox shock, racetech emulator, >2 bros exhaust, rebuilt 94 motor top to bottom by H+H racing out of ohio, 94 >rotors, clip ons, steer damp,etc. 91 frame, new sportmax2 cp front, d364 rear, >spare slicks, 637 wiesco pistons, header wrap, needs tune up, oil change, gas >and go racing. Asking $2100 for everything. >Any help would be greatly appreciated >Thanks in advance, >Chris 770/352-9365 >i have a pic i can send. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 27 23:09:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01736 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24246 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15279 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA03275; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809280312.XAA03275@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Sunday Ride To: dankenney@XXXXXX (DAN KENNEY) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980927212814.13600.qmail@hotmail.com> from "DAN KENNEY" at Sep 27, 98 02:28:14 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:28:14 PDT > > I just wanted to let everyone know how much fun my first ride with the > list was. We had a great time . Fred laid out a great route. Everyone > kept up ( great job Ursalina!!!). We need to plan more rides for the MD > riders. > > Dan Kenney > red 97 TL1000s > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > it was fun for me, till I saw my tire - that was the reason to bail out on 4 and head home. Did not wanted to ride thinking about my back wheel instead of having fun with a ride. Thanks a lot to all - Fred, you are _dangerous_ ;-) ride safely, _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 27 23:21:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02184 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24338 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15416 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:21:15 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA03344; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809280323.XAA03344@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Re-Cap To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "OsbornKev@aol.com" at Sep 27, 98 08:34:18 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > OK, enough suspense. If you guessed Zbig didn't finish you win the big > banana. He did have an accident as he put his foot down on the right side > into a ditch as we all pulled over and the bike just kept going to the right. > Luckily (or unluckily) the bike was saved from falling over by hitting a > telephone pole and putting a nice 4 inch dent in the tank. The at the next > stop he notice the belts showing on the rear tire. That was the last stop we > saw him at. He managed to peal off from the group shortly after that. Zbig > ... what happened ... no one new you were leaving. Hope all is well and not > to much damage to the bike or ego. :) > Damage to bike is insignificant, just a small dent. Ego ? Was shattered a few times already, so for now I am in slow, dropping bike league. I might need rename bird for a flying couch, and devote self to long distance touring to nearest silver dinner. After seeing my rear tire in detail, I did not wanted to keep going, splitting my attention between road, ride, and tire. Not good for the rider, not good for rest of the group. Since we were on 4 northbound, I waved rest of guys to pass me,a nd kept going to beltway. Did it back in one pice, with tire still on rim holding air. It was an interesting experience sticking in righ tlane, at or below speed limits - especially one maruland and one virginia finest, watching me with radar pointed in my direction. I can swear I saw shock on their faces - they could not belive that a bike goes so slow... > - Kevin > KO ZX6 > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 06:12:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19280 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29128 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20336 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id SMRPa17824; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <82914163.360f6053@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:09:23 EDT To: zbig@XXXXXX, dankenney@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/27/98 11:14:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zbig@XXXXXX writes: << thinking about my back wheel instead of having fun with a ride. >> Very good point. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 07:35:03 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22170 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED809@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" , "'jckozyn@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Braking Oscillation Question Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:32:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 3 things come to mind right away: First is the premise that most times when something like that's happening at the front end, it's the rear you need to look at. Is the rear wheel in alignment? Hows the shock doing? Is the wheel due for replacment? Next would be a thought (passed on experiences infront of your house) that the front contact patch isn't right. Is the tire old? Cupped? The only other thing that comes to mind, and might be the most reasonable explaination is that the stearing head bearings are due for replacment. Things you might notice if they are loose would be a slight 'clunk' when first getting on the brakes. If they are to tight, you'll have to get the front end off the ground and turn the handlebars.. they should go smoothly from lock to lock, no points of resistance. Anyway.. those would be the first places I would check.. anyone else have ideas? Brian McCoy -----Original Message----- I just replaced the MC, rebult the calipers and replaced the pads in the front. The ole' Inteceptor stops way quicker than before, but under four-finger simulated panic conditions, the front end oscillates _violently_ when the brake is applied - this at speeds of 25-30 mph. This seems to be the same whether the rear is judiciously applied at the same time or not. Any theories on what might be wrong with this picture? TIA, JK From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 09:09:31 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25790 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809281309.JAA25790@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA8630F0442; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:09:26 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:07:20 -0400 To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Braking Oscillation Question In-Reply-To: <360C9AD8.3EB8@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd suspect steering hear bearings. Chris Norlof At 12:42 AM 9/26/98 -0700, John C. Kozyn wrote: >Hey Gang, > >Thanks to Chris, Collin and Brian for interesting and useful remarks >regarding rear braking. My question to the list has to do with front end >shaking though... > >I just replaced the MC, rebult the calipers and replaced the pads in the >front. The ole' Inteceptor stops way quicker than before, but under >four-finger simulated panic conditions, the front end oscillates >_violently_ when the brake is applied - this at speeds of 25-30 mph. >This seems to be the same whether the rear is judiciously applied at the >same time or not. > >Any theories on what might be wrong with this picture? > >TIA, > >JK > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 10:02:41 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27842 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA19231 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:02:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA31925 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980928140210.EBKW18768@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:02:10 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdeae8$7896c160$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Everyone! You are invited to the 2nd Annual DC-Cycles Fall gathering. For those of you who are new to the list, or have not attended one of the parties held by listers, or missed this one last year, keep October 24, 1998 opened. It's a lot of fun to get all the comp geeks together and practice our social skills. ___________ DC-Cycles Summit 1998 - You're too sexy for your motorcycles: Date: October 24, 1998 Time: 12pm - 4pm to work Leons Circles and other mastery of riding 4pm - 8pm to meet and mingle at Todds 8pm - ?? for more Where: My Place. John Kozyn was nice enough once again to host a web page that tells all. Go here for directions and more information: http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ Protocol: DC-Cycles Listers and their SO's and friends. Children are welcome this year, but keep in mind there will be a lot of adult themes here. Provisions: I'll provide Soda/Coffee and try to have enough refrig and cooler space for whatever you want to bring. Please sign up to bring a dish of food for everyone to sample. Hopefully, Dale Horstman will away again on his now FAMOUS lasagna, and Ursulina will tempt us again with one of her family recipes (won't you dear? :) Like last year, if you need assistance to get the dish here let me know. It'd be cool if everyone rides in for the fun. RSVP: Please RSVP to me asap and indicate what you can bring. I'll get you listed on the webpage so everyone can see what is already being covered. Like last year, I am encouraging everyone on the list to make it out and to "ride" so we can all check out your bike(s) and place faces with names. Not only that, it'll really frighten my neighbors :-) Please no drinking and riding. We haven't had a problem with this in the past and I'd like to keep it that way. If you have a few, plan to wait it out before you take off. Better still, plan to stay over, I have plenty of room. Todd DC-Cycles 2nd Annual http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 10:17:16 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28611 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809281417.KAA28611@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA686B068E; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:17:12 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:21:52 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together In-Reply-To: <000801bdeae8$7896c160$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One thing you might consider is stick-on name tags. I know it sounds corny, but in this day and time, when you know people better by their name than by their face, it can really help. Nothing like seeing a familiar name and getting a chance to meet someone face to face. Chris Norloff At 10:01 AM 9/28/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >Everyone! > >You are invited to the 2nd Annual DC-Cycles Fall gathering. For those of >you who are new to the list, or have not attended one of the parties held by >listers, or missed this one last year, keep October 24, 1998 opened. It's a >lot of fun to get all the comp geeks together and practice our social >skills. >___________ > >DC-Cycles Summit 1998 - You're too sexy for your motorcycles: > >Date: > October 24, 1998 > >Time: > 12pm - 4pm to work Leons Circles and other mastery of riding > 4pm - 8pm to meet and mingle at Todds > 8pm - ?? for more > >Where: > My Place. John Kozyn was nice enough once again to host a web page that >tells all. >Go here for directions and more information: > > http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ > >Protocol: > DC-Cycles Listers and their SO's and friends. Children are welcome this >year, but keep in mind there will be a lot of adult themes here. > >Provisions: > I'll provide Soda/Coffee and try to have enough refrig and cooler space for >whatever you want to bring. > >Please sign up to bring a dish of food for everyone to sample. Hopefully, >Dale Horstman will away again on his now FAMOUS lasagna, and Ursulina will >tempt us again with one of her family recipes (won't you dear? :) > >Like last year, if you need assistance to get the dish here let me know. >It'd be cool if everyone rides in for the fun. > >RSVP: > Please RSVP to me asap and indicate what you can bring. I'll get you >listed on the webpage so everyone can see what is already being covered. > > Like last year, I am encouraging everyone on the list to make it out and to >"ride" so we can all check out your bike(s) and place faces with names. Not >only that, it'll really frighten my neighbors :-) > > Please no drinking and riding. We haven't had a problem with this in the >past and I'd like to keep it that way. If you have a few, plan to wait it >out before you take off. Better still, plan to stay over, I have plenty of >room. > >Todd >DC-Cycles 2nd Annual >http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 11:19:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01352 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02668 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27419 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA06000; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA11110; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA26459; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:17:26 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA26456; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:17:25 -0700 Received: by HQ-MSG04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:17:25 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Re-Cap Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:17:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yep, nobody (namely me) had a riding accident or got hurt so it was certainly a good ride. But I did have my knee pads on just in case. ;-) A note of thanks to Louis and Greg for keeping an eye on me and not letting me get lost as I played catch up. Louis: thanks for performing the entertaining ride through those folk's front lawn. Maybe the Concourse could me marketed as a 550 lbs dirt bike. Whoo-hoo! I had fun, enjoyed meeting everyone, and loved the challenge of riding with all those zippy bikes and one phat cruiser. :-) Let's do it again soon. (And yes, Kevin, even if it is in Maryland. ;-P) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > -----Original Message----- > From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX [SMTP:OsbornKev@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 5:34 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sunday Ride Re-Cap > > Fred agreed to organize the ride if I would document it. So here goes but > please forgive me in advance for missing names/bikes, misspellings, and or > course, no flames please. > > . . . 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Yes, 12 bikes met at Roy Rogers for today's > ride > in MD (yes Ursulina, MD not VA ... no flames please) and what a fine ride > is > was. Who showed and who didn't you asked. > > The following showed up for the ride. Notice I didn't say finish. Yes, > we > had a boo boo. Guess the rider :) > Fred - ZX-9 Blue Streak > Dan - Red TL1000S > John - Yellow FZR > Tom - BMW 1200 > Louis - Concourse > Ursilina - Kaw 454 Ltd (???) > Greg - Valkyrie > Hugh - brand new (66 miles) red VFR > Brian - 750 Shadow (???) > Zbig - CBR XX Black Bird > Christopher - CBR F3 > me and my Kawasaki Green ZX-6 > > As far as who didn't ... the rest of you. Your bad. > > Introductions started an 9:30 and I think everyone met someone new. > Promptly > at 10:00 we got on the road with Christopher pushing the limit as we saw > him > miss the meeting point and then double back and find us. > > Fred planned out a great route through the back roads of Maryland. Roads > to > be noted are Croom Rd., Croom Station Rd., Sands Rd (for a reason), > Patuxent > River Rd., Governors Bridge Rd., etc. We made our way on all of these and > ended up in Anapolis. On the way we tended to spread out and then regroup > at > the next stop as riding styles and speeds varied. We never lost a rider, > bar > the one missed turn by someone. We won't mention her name. > > Notice the footnote on Sands Rd above. Dan mentioned to us before hitting > this road that it is called Sands Rd. for a reason. That is that there > are > numerous sand and gravel quarries on the road and sometime the debris > makes > its way onto the road surface as we quickly found. Everyone's left and > right > legs sticking out signaling debris as we passed in formation. The sand in > one > spot must have been 6 inches deep. Luckily there were a couple of tracks > through it and no one had any problems. Bet you thought this was going to > be > where we lost a rider. > > OK, enough suspense. If you guessed Zbig didn't finish you win the big > banana. He did have an accident as he put his foot down on the right side > into a ditch as we all pulled over and the bike just kept going to the > right. > Luckily (or unluckily) the bike was saved from falling over by hitting a > telephone pole and putting a nice 4 inch dent in the tank. The at the > next > stop he notice the belts showing on the rear tire. That was the last stop > we > saw him at. He managed to peal off from the group shortly after that. > Zbig > ... what happened ... no one new you were leaving. Hope all is well and > not > to much damage to the bike or ego. :) > > Can you say road hazards. ROAD HAZARDS. I thought you could. That was a > major theme of the trip. If it wasn't cars pulled half way off these > small > twisty roads it was that guy walking in the middle of the lane in the > shadows. > I'm glad I wasn't in the lead because he was hard enough to see with > riders in > front of me signaling. Of course he was cursing us waving his plastic > jug. > Anyone know what this guy was thinking??? We also had the proverbial > truck > and trailer stopped on our side of the road with no lights on. Luckily > everyone saw him and managed to negotiate without problem. And, I already > mentioned Sands Rd. I think I may have missed a road hazard or two. Oh > yes, > there was the Volvo that managed to slow down as much as possible when she > saw > us in her rear view mirror. But for the moron she was there was a van > that > pulled over to let us by later. Hey, batting 500 isn't bad. > > Well, we finally made it to Anapolis at about 12:15 and all (11 of us) > pulled > up and made a U-turn right in front of a cop to park on the other side of > the > street. As Dan mentioned. He probably thought about saying something but > just continued on his way. We had lunch at Fred's favorite place, > McGarvey's, > and then Italian ice cream just down the street. Trip photographer > Ursilina > took a couple of photos of the bikes lined up prior to us leaving. She > promised to scan them and send them out to all. What a selection of > styles > and colors. It was pretty awesome seeing all the bikes lined up. > > As we left and headed back to our starting point we found a few more > twisties > (thanks again Fred) and Fred showed us how to get past a car that won't > pull > over as he downshifted, hit the throttle, passed the car then slowed way > down > so the rest of us could pass. Most of us were a little confused at first > but > appreciate the tactic and his effort after we figured out what was going > on. > > We got back to Roy's on 301 at about 2:30 and as was pointed out by > someone (I > forget who) it took us over 2 hours to get to Anapolis and only about 1/2 > hour > to get back. Hey what else can you say but, good road selection. > > That's about a wrap. If I forgot anything, please feel free to add > comments. > To wrap it up ... > > Lots of great people, great bikes, great roads, great food, and no one had > a > riding accident or got hurt. Til next ride. > > - Kevin > KO ZX6 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 11:24:00 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01459 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:23:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 1LVDa22057; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:23:19 EDT To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/28/98 10:22:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << Nothing like seeing a familiar name and getting a chance to meet someone face to face. >> It would be more fun if they were photos and names but the wrong names. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 11:30:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01856 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02801 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28057 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:30:44 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WCKPa07925 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:30:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Dang! And I'm growing my beard for Halloween, so I'm gonna look totally different!! A nametag would probably be a good idea, cause even those who've met me probably won't recognize me! :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow (in need of a paint job :( 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 11:33:20 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01895 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26967 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:34:17 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC59F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:34:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, do I get to bring an extra girl again this year??? ;-) he he he Collin From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 11:34:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01905 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02873 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28456 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:34:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id ANHEa19214; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6467d96e.360fac5d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:33:49 EDT To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Re-Cap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/28/98 11:31:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX writes: << Louis: thanks for performing the entertaining ride through those folk's front lawn. >> Kevin, you apparently forgot one of the highlights of the ride, could Louis please explain. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 11:53:05 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02742 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA24408; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:52:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA26227; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980928155218.FMVT18768@XXXXXX>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:52:18 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:51:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bdeaf7$dbe6ce40$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC59F@MSCEX> Importance: Normal Not only ONE, but as MANY as you like. Just be willing to share a little ;) he he he, indeed! T > Hey, do I get to bring an extra girl again this year??? ;-) > he he he > > > Collin > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 12:07:47 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03250 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12220 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01074 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809281607.MAA01074@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Re-Cap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:07:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > From Boiade@XXXXXX Mon Sep 28 11:38:44 1998 > > << Louis: thanks for performing the > entertaining ride through those folk's front lawn. >> > Kevin, you apparently forgot one of the highlights of the ride, could Louis > please explain. LOL > Ok, I was riding second to last, with Ursalina behind me. So I would try to make sure she saw all of the turns. On one turn, everyone had gone, (Greg and Tom made sure I saw the turn before continueing), so I slowed. I waited until I saw Ursalina, and I was pretty sure she saw me, so I continued on. However, I then saw that she missed the turn. I wasn't sure if it was because she didn't see me, or if she knew she was supposed to turn, but didn't. So I figured I'd turn in the next driveway and go after her. All those rural drive ways are made up of gravel, and the one I tried to turn in was sloped inwards, and I had trouble making the turn. Then Ursalina pulled up to watch the fun (Guess she made the turn after all). There was no way I'd be able to back the Connie up, and the lawn looked kinda wild anyway (patches of dirt between all the grass) so I said "To hell with it" and did a circle on the side (not front) of the lawn. I then peeled the hell outta there just incase someone with a shot gun was standing by. Louis From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 12:23:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04045 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03732 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01408 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WSLPa22057 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:22:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/28/98 11:59:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << Not only ONE, but as MANY as you like. Just be willing to share a little ;) he he he, indeed! >> Already starting on those adult themes? Jeeez....if this keeps up we may want to change that "children rule". ;) Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 12:28:55 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04147 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA20963 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:28:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA06311 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:28:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980928162812.FYZD18768@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:28:12 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Re-Cap Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:28:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdeafc$fb4b0da0$325420a6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199809281607.MAA01074@shell.clark.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Louis, you hooligan, you. See, you're the reason bikers have a bad name. Hang your head in shame... ;-) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (50K and counting) Q: Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? PAUL LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles so easily. Louis admitted: There was no way I'd be able to back the Connie up, and the lawn looked kinda wild anyway (patches of dirt between all the grass) so I said "To hell with it" and did a circle on the side (not front) of the lawn. I then peeled the hell outta there just incase someone with a shot gun was standing by. Louis From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 12:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04475 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:35:39 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED818@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:32:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Naw, let the kids come.. they just have to stay out of the Kitchen.. right folx? Kitchen talk 101 will resume in 26 days... ;) -----Original Message----- << Not only ONE, but as MANY as you like. Just be willing to share a little ;) he he he, indeed! >> Already starting on those adult themes? Jeeez....if this keeps up we may want to change that "children rule". ;) Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 12:38:31 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04555 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:38:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EMSQa18750; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b21cd61.360fbb18@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:36:40 EDT To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Re-Cap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/28/98 12:17:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, louis@XXXXXX writes: << "To hell with it" and did a circle on the side (not front) of the lawn. I then peeled the hell outta there just incase someone with a shot gun was standing by. >> Gosh, and I ride on those roads, you think Elmer will be waiting for me with a shotgun? LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 12:49:59 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04977 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F40@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Re-Cap Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:53:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain In accordance with the ancient methods of CAMS. > -----Original Message----- > From: louis@XXXXXX [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 12:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Re-Cap > > > From Boiade@XXXXXX Mon Sep 28 11:38:44 1998 > > > > << Louis: thanks for performing the > > entertaining ride through those folk's front lawn. >> > > Kevin, you apparently forgot one of the highlights of the ride, could > Louis > > please explain. LOL > > > > Ok, I was riding second to last, with Ursalina behind me. So I would try > to make sure she saw all of the turns. On one turn, everyone had gone, > (Greg and Tom made sure I saw the turn before continueing), so I slowed. > I waited until I saw Ursalina, and I was pretty sure she saw me, so I > continued on. However, I then saw that she missed the turn. I wasn't > sure if it was because she didn't see me, or if she knew she was supposed > to turn, but didn't. So I figured I'd turn in the next driveway and go > after > her. All those rural drive ways are made up of gravel, and the one I > tried > to turn in was sloped inwards, and I had trouble making the turn. Then > Ursalina pulled up to watch the fun (Guess she made the turn after all). > > There was no way I'd be able to back the Connie up, and the lawn looked > kinda wild anyway (patches of dirt between all the grass) so I said > "To hell with it" and did a circle on the side (not front) of the lawn. > I then peeled the hell outta there just incase someone with a shot gun > was standing by. > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 12:55:38 1998 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05350 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA04734; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA12630; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA25764; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:51:57 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA25737; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:51:53 -0700 Received: by HQ-MSG04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:51:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday Ride Re-Cap Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:51:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) And how is Elmer going to shoot a blue streak going Mach 2?! ;-) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 9:37 AM > To: louis@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Re-Cap > > In a message dated 9/28/98 12:17:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > louis@XXXXXX > writes: > > << "To hell with it" and did a circle on the side (not front) of the lawn. > I then peeled the hell outta there just incase someone with a shot gun > was standing by. > >> > Gosh, and I ride on those roads, you think Elmer will be waiting for me > with a > shotgun? LOL > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 12:57:47 1998 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05432 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:57:46 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3WQWa17823 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <86b8b2d9.360fbfe1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:57:05 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'd prefer if you brought numerous extra women. But that's just my vote. In a message dated 9/28/98 11:38:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: > > Hey, do I get to bring an extra girl again this year??? ;-) > he he he > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 13:17:20 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06232 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03268; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:16:00 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5A5@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:15:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I forgot to mention that I am greedy :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 11:52 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'dc' > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... > > Not only ONE, but as MANY as you like. Just be willing to share a little > ;) > he he he, indeed! > > T > > > Hey, do I get to bring an extra girl again this year??? ;-) > > he he he > > > > > > Collin > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 13:37:50 1998 Return-Path: BLaSalle@XXXXXX Received: from [208.230.248.3] ([208.230.248.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07158 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MM_NT1 by [208.230.248.3] via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 28 Sep 1998 17:36:57 UT Received: by MM_NT1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: <845E0CB54E43D211B21200805FAD3463017AFA@MM_NT1> From: Brian LaSalle To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sunday's Maryland Ride Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:35:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It was great to finally meet some of the DC Cycles listers and hats off to Fred for a great route on Sunday's ride. Here's looking forward to the next one! Brian Yellow Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 13:50:33 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07653 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05297; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:51:35 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5AC@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Brian LaSalle'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: new names was --->>RE: Sunday's Maryland Ride Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:51:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Wow! Tons of new names on the list lately AND hearing that they're actually getting out on the rides! Awesome... There should be a whole lotta folks showin up at Todd's house on the 24th > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian LaSalle [SMTP:BLaSalle@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 1:49 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Sunday's Maryland Ride > > It was great to finally meet some of the DC Cycles listers and hats off to > Fred for a great route on Sunday's ride. Here's looking forward to the > next > one! > Brian > Yellow Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 13:52:30 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07680 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zNhT5-0006FH-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:52:15 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:50:40 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84892@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:48:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain hmmm, if I remember correctly, last time it was on the driveway... ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 12:33 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... > > Naw, let the kids come.. they just have to stay out of the Kitchen.. > right > folx? > > Kitchen talk 101 will resume in 26 days... ;) > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 14:05:13 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08159 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:06:12 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED81E@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: new names was --->>RE: Sunday's Maryland Ride Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:03:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yea.. we should have SCARY large rides this winter then.. remember last winter? How many people did we have on that one mid-winter ride.. like almost 35~40 I believe.. this year we should be able to strech that well above 50.. I'm excited.. :P -----Original Message----- Wow! Tons of new names on the list lately AND hearing that they're actually getting out on the rides! Awesome... There should be a whole lotta folks showin up at Todd's house on the 24th From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 14:26:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09006 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05618 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07009 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 908 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:25:38 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980928142536.00c97270@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:25:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Saturday to Harpers Ferry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Had a few more people show up than I expected for the Saturday ride up to Harpers Ferry. ZBig mapped out a *much* better route than we had planned, and we had a 4 hour small town back road adventure. Thanks to all those that attended. Had a good time :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 14:38:29 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09546 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:39:47 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:39:24 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm sorry I won't be able to attend. I was hoping to get in on the extra = girls. :-) As it is, I have a wedding to attend in Pennsylvania that = weekend. Not too bad a place to pick up girls, just not relatives. hehe = Hope you all have fun, wish I could be there. Maybe next ride and party. Scooter >>> "Fagan, Collin LTJG" 09/28/98 01:15PM >>> I forgot to mention that I am greedy :)=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX]=20 > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 11:52 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'dc' > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... >=20 > Not only ONE, but as MANY as you like. Just be willing to share a = little > ;) > he he he, indeed! >=20 > T >=20 > > Hey, do I get to bring an extra girl again this year??? ;-) > > he he he > >=20 > >=20 > > Collin > >=20 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 16:05:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13200 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07171 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11572 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:05:23 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WYFVa02301 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6693a219.360febd9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:04:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Header pipe material? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I was wondering if anyone knew the normal material that headers are made out of? I need to get a weld redone on my TLS but no one will even give me an estimate unless I know what the material is. Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 17:04:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15631 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07937 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13727 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:04:10 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA03809; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809282106.RAA03809@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Saturday to Harpers Ferry To: mike@XXXXXX (Michael Troutman) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980928142536.00c97270@www.troutman.org> from "Michael Troutman" at Sep 28, 98 02:25:38 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Had a few more people show up than I expected for the Saturday ride up to > Harpers Ferry. ZBig mapped out a *much* better route than we had planned, > and we had a 4 hour small town back road adventure. we did: 28/29 - start point; 29 west, to rt 234; 234 nort, to 659; 659 north, all the way cross 50 to Arcola; Evergreen Mills to 15; 15 south to 704; 704 to Hamilton ( Thanks Colin - that was my first ride this year ); lefto n bussiness 15; 287 to Lovetsville; right into 6xx to Point of Rocks; 15 across potomac; 464 left to Bismarck ?? 340 into Harper's ferry; 9 back to 7; we split at Texaco station; Mike and his firend jason took back home, Hugh ( brand new 'Ceptor, Roy Turner and me took side roads to 15 ); nice, easy ride. > > Thanks to all those that attended. Had a good time :-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 17:37:30 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16944 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TSPQa02343; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:36:10 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Cheap racing... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/27/98 10:27:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << this looks like a pretty decent deal >> I have been thinking about vintage racing next year and even a small vintage bike 350 Ducati or 350 Aermacchi or putting my 86-VFR-750 back on the track (counting the capital investment it represents as is on the road) , ready to race would cost much, much more. But at my age I wouldn't want to compete with all the youngsters in the class(es) the bike is eligible for. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 18:11:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18247 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08812 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16010 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr41-dialup26.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0000DO5LM6G0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:10:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:07:17 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Re-Cap To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <009201bdeb45$8152cd00$1a4d37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Damage to bike is insignificant, just a small dent. Ego ? Was >shattered a few times already, so for now I am in slow, dropping bike >league. I might need rename bird for a flying couch, and devote self to >long distance touring to nearest silver dinner. > >After seeing my rear tire in detail, I did not wanted to keep going, >splitting my attention between road, ride, and tire. Not good for the >rider, not good for rest of the group. Since we were on 4 northbound, >I waved rest of guys to pass me,a nd kept going to beltway. Did it >back in one pice, with tire still on rim holding air. It was an >interesting experience sticking in righ tlane, at or below speed >limits - especially one maruland and one virginia finest, watching me >with radar pointed in my direction. I can swear I saw shock on their >faces - they could not belive that a bike goes so slow... >_zjt Zbig, Sorry to see you turn off, right before it got a little twisty, but your tire was really bad. Good decision. Don't worry about the tank, just make another dent on the left side and say you use them for your elbows when your hanging off 8^P.........btw, when are you getting the Macadam's? I assume very very soon. Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 18:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19080 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id AATBa08737; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8cb68441.36100e1e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:30:54 EDT To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Re-Cap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/28/98 1:02:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX writes: << And how is Elmer going to shoot a blue streak going Mach 2?! ;-) >> Hmmm, Mach 2? Well any R-1 riders out there did you hear that. LOL No flames please, just kidding, if there are any of you. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 18:35:21 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19434 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:35:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3CDQa13872; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:32:42 EDT To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Kevin you dog! Ciao, Fred Thanks for the write-up. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 18:45:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19708 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09154 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16998 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr41-dialup26.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0000454N64RA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:40:51 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Sunday Ride To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00af01bdeb4a$321fe420$1a4d37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >In a message dated 9/27/98 5:33:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dankenney@XXXXXX writes: > ><< We need to plan more rides for the MD > riders. >> >Yes, and I think that you should consider organizing something in St. Mary's >soon. And we will switch bikes for a while. Maybe I'll switch with Jon too, >he has a quick 600, if he'll trust me with it. But he has to lay out a ride in >Northern Maryland. But what if I bring the 86-VFR-750 on the next ride. LOL > >Ciao, > >Fred I just have to say that I had a good time Sun.. Nice to meet all the new listers(and old), ride some nice roads and shoot the sh*t when we weren't. Good food, atmosphere, and Italian ice cream in Annapolis. Almost forgot how much I liked the waterfront. Wish my bike wasn't running so lean, though. I was down on a lot of power and had to push my entry/mid corner speed, just so I could keep the ZX-9 in site. My little bike needs every hp it can make! It also has a small exhaust leak at the manifold gasket, but I'll have it fixed by Wed.. I'm off for the Jewish holiday(yes). I'm gonna work on organizing a route around Ellicott City/Clarksville/Westminster area, north and south of Rt. 70, between maybe Frederick and Ellicott City. What I need is a good web site where I can get some printouts of all the small roads. Can anyone suggest some? Everytime I go out "exploring", I can't remember the road names and usually have a hard time finding some of the roads for a second time(bad short term memory). Blame my wild life back in college(woohoo). BTW, Fred, I wouldn't mind switching bikes, I'll ride anything(even your Norton!). I don't know if anyone would want to ride mine, however. Lowered clip-on's, low wind screen, loud pipe, and a reverse shift pattern. Not what most people would consider "comfortable" unless you like bikes like me, small and compact. 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 19:13:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20776 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09456 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17670 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EBNDa10655; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:12:46 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/28/98 6:44:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << BTW, Fred, I wouldn't mind switching bikes, I'll ride anything(even your Norton!). >> You would have to learn the no brake technique on the Norton, it is exciting though, only the engine braking and your feet usually. Well, maybe for a short ride, those clip-ons were really low and if you noticed, I have lay back on the rear seat of the 9 every once in while. I have the "Automap" CD and the program on my computer at work. It has very detailed maps, if we go on a ride together soon I'll bring it with me, however, maybe somebody knows a web site. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 28 20:10:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23155 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10067 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (known darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19023 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.184.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id UAA29546; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:10:44 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from Grima (ts007d48.per-md.concentric.net [206.173.56.108]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.8) id UAA12070; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809290010.UAA12070@newman.concentric.net> Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Re-Cap From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.1.1 (TrialWare) X-BeOS-Platform: PowerMac or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Fred - ZX-9 Blue Streak >Dan - Red TL1000S >John - Yellow FZR >Tom - BMW 1200 >Louis - Concourse >Ursilina - Kaw 454 Ltd (???) >Greg - Valkyrie >Hugh - brand new (66 miles) red VFR At the time of the start of the ride it was 66 hours old. Thanks to Fred and Michael Troutman I'll be taking it in for the 600 mile checkup tomorrow. I had a great time both Saturday and Sunday and am looking forwa= rd to doing it again soon. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeDev#6074 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 08:37:19 1998 Return-Path: cgee1@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f120.hotmail.com [207.82.250.173]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22572 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27115 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 1998 12:36:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19980929123644.27114.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.114.156.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 05:36:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.114.156.164] From: "Christopher Gee" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 05:36:43 PDT Jon wrote: > I'm gonna work on organizing a route around Ellicott >City/Clarksville/Westminster area, north and south of Rt. 70, between maybe >Frederick and Ellicott City. What I need is a good web site where I can get >some printouts of all the small roads. Can anyone suggest some? here are a few: http://www.MapsOnUs.com/ http://maps.yahoo.com/ http://www.delorme.com/ http://www.expediamaps.com/ All are free - i like maps-on-us, it has good route planning and allows intermediate destinations. With maps-on-us and Yahoo maps, you can pull up a destination (i.e. Frederick,MD) and then click on the map to move in any direction, as well as zooming out or in. cheers, Christopher red F3 (baby interceptor?) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 09:10:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23790 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19043 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04045 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-19.dial.nova.org (pm1-19.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.147]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA26821 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:10:22 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Suzuki SV650 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:11:18 GMT Message-ID: <3610dbe4.736426960@beta.nova.org> References: <360AB2C7.CA7754F4@geocities.com> In-Reply-To: <360AB2C7.CA7754F4@geocities.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46or a comparison of the stock positions of the SV650 (which is what we're likely to get, from what I've heard so far) and the SV650s (half faired like the TL-S) see: http://www.motomag.com/nouveau/munich/suss608.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 09:57:42 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25797 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id OAA05924; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:48:04 +0100 Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma005494; Tue, 29 Sep 98 14:47:23 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com ([10.44.240.44]) by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0100EQVSZ73D@XXXXXX>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:47:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8025668E.004B4B64 ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:42:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:42:01 -0400 Subject: Re: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... To: SCOTT Rush Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525668E.004B25D4.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I thought relatives were OK in PA? Duck, run, hide, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX cc: From: SCOTT Rush Date: 09/28/98 06:39:24 PM GMT Subject: Re: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... I'm sorry I won't be able to attend. I was hoping to get in on the extra girls. :-) As it is, I have a wedding to attend in Pennsylvania that weekend. Not too bad a place to pick up girls, just not relatives. hehe Hope you all have fun, wish I could be there. Maybe next ride and party. Scooter >>> "Fagan, Collin LTJG" 09/28/98 01:15PM >>> I forgot to mention that I am greedy :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 11:52 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'dc' > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... > > Not only ONE, but as MANY as you like. Just be willing to share a little > ;) > he he he, indeed! > > T > > > Hey, do I get to bring an extra girl again this year??? ;-) > > he he he > > > > > > Collin > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 10:28:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26825 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19909 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06349 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id HAA22633 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:28:27 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:28:27 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF2AA9FB@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Suzuki SV650 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:28:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Personal tastes - I thought that the faired version was ugly, but am seriously tempted tobet off $ome buck$ if the naked version comes through. Michael J. > -----Original Message----- > From: kirk@XXXXXX [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 09:11 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Suzuki SV650 > > > For a comparison of the stock positions of the SV650 (which is what > we're likely to get, from what I've heard so far) and the SV650s (half > faired like the TL-S) see: > > http://www.motomag.com/nouveau/munich/suss608.htm > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 10:49:59 1998 Return-Path: jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX Received: from flywheel.usitc.gov (gate.usitc.gov [205.197.120.254]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27709 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (itc001033.usitc.gov [172.16.50.46]) by flywheel.usitc.gov with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA17142 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3610F479.BD88BACE@ids2.idsonline.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:53:46 -0400 From: John Pierre-Benoist X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Hi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: I'm new to this group, and just wanted to introduce myself. John Pierre-Benoist 1997 H-D Dyna Convertible enjoy LONG distance rides -- looking for companions interested in Iron Butt rides love backcountry exploration: small roads, tiny towns, Appalachia,.... live in Vienna, VA married, bur wife won't ride, so willing to ride a friend. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 11:17:57 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28970 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:19:14 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:19:01 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Wrong state. That's West "By God" Virginia where it's all relative. hehe = Although, my folks house is only about 15 miles from the WVa. border. = Scary. Scooter >>> 09/29/98 09:42AM >>> I thought relatives were OK in PA? Duck, run, hide, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX= =20 cc: From: SCOTT Rush Date: 09/28/98 06:39:24 PM GMT Subject: Re: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... I'm sorry I won't be able to attend. I was hoping to get in on the extra girls. :-) As it is, I have a wedding to attend in Pennsylvania that weekend. Not too bad a place to pick up girls, just not relatives. hehe Hope you all have fun, wish I could be there. Maybe next ride and party. Scooter >>> "Fagan, Collin LTJG" 09/28/98 01:15PM >>> I forgot to mention that I am greedy :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX]=20 > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 11:52 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'dc' > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... > > Not only ONE, but as MANY as you like. Just be willing to share a = little > ;) > he he he, indeed! > > T > > > Hey, do I get to bring an extra girl again this year??? ;-) > > he he he > > > > > > Collin > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you = received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 11:25:34 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29349 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA18085; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA13292; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980929152436.MSUW18768@XXXXXX>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:24:36 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "John Pierre-Benoist" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Hi Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:23:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdebbd$25ebd240$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3610F479.BD88BACE@ids2.idsonline.com> Importance: Normal Hi John, Good to have you around. There are a couple of LD-riders on the list, including me. If you're interested in meeting in person, come out to the DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Summit on October, 24th. Check here http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ for more details. Once again, glad to have you around. Todd > Hi: > I'm new to this group, and just wanted to introduce myself. > > John Pierre-Benoist > 1997 H-D Dyna Convertible > enjoy LONG distance rides -- looking for companions interested in Iron > Butt rides > love backcountry exploration: small roads, tiny towns, Appalachia,.... > live in Vienna, VA > married, bur wife won't ride, so willing to ride a friend. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 12:12:02 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01306 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA04945; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:12:13 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:11:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D4492@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Hello Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:11:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All I am new to the group and want to say hello and let you guys know who I am. My name is Jason Picton, I am 28 Yrs old, married (wife doesn't ride), and a Sr. Systems Engineer for the American Chemical Society in DC (yet another motorcycling computer geek). I currently own two bikes; a1996 Suzuki Savage LS650 "The Big Single" (modified) and a 1983 Honda VF750F "Interceptor" (stock). I like all types of riding from just cruising along minding my own business as well as riding hard on back roads (often depends upon which bike I am riding). I live in MD =BD between Baltimore and DC (where I work) but I am willing to travel to find new and exciting roads.=20 Hope to meet you all soon. Jason=20 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 12:33:14 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02223 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 ([131.7.252.171]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA00597; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3610FD79.6F58F043@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:32:09 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Pierre-Benoist CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Hi X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3610F479.BD88BACE@ids2.idsonline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome. Now why would anyone get a Harley for long distance rides? You ought to get yourself a REAL motorcycle for that kind of riding. :-) Talk to Dale, he might like your bike, he's the anti-techno guy on the list. He might like your Harley. He's also an official witness for the Iron Butt Association. PS. Don't take me seriously, I sure don't. Leon. '89 Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 '96 Tomos Targa Moped - World's Toughest Moped '91 Ninja 600 - not a long-distance bike (yet) John Pierre-Benoist wrote: > > Hi: > I'm new to this group, and just wanted to introduce myself. > > John Pierre-Benoist > 1997 H-D Dyna Convertible > enjoy LONG distance rides -- looking for companions interested in Iron > Butt rides > love backcountry exploration: small roads, tiny towns, Appalachia,.... > live in Vienna, VA > married, bur wife won't ride, so willing to ride a friend. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 12:40:29 1998 Return-Path: jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX Received: from flywheel.usitc.gov (gate.usitc.gov [205.197.120.254]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02614 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (itc001033.usitc.gov [172.16.50.46]) by flywheel.usitc.gov with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA18338; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36110E28.F8CEB46A@ids2.idsonline.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:43:21 -0400 From: John Pierre-Benoist X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Hi References: <000901bdebbd$25ebd240$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AF0D168F53BE516EAFB5B39F" --------------AF0D168F53BE516EAFB5B39F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot to provide my web page: JPB's web page Please check it out -- I have links to CD-Now and Amazon.com: ANY money made from the referral fees are pledged to the Thare Orphanage in Thailand -- also I'm on the Viet Vet web ring and the TLCB web ring (Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood). Todd Peer wrote: > Hi John, > > Good to have you around. There are a couple of LD-riders on the list, > including me. If you're interested in meeting in person, come out to the > DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Summit on October, 24th. > > Check here http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ for more details. > > Once again, glad to have you around. > > Todd > > > Hi: > > I'm new to this group, and just wanted to introduce myself. > > > > John Pierre-Benoist > > 1997 H-D Dyna Convertible > > enjoy LONG distance rides -- looking for companions interested in Iron > > Butt rides > > love backcountry exploration: small roads, tiny towns, Appalachia,.... > > live in Vienna, VA > > married, bur wife won't ride, so willing to ride a friend. > > > > > > > > --------------AF0D168F53BE516EAFB5B39F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot to provide my web page:
 JPB's web page
Please check it out -- I have links to CD-Now and Amazon.com: ANY money made from the referral fees are pledged to the Thare Orphanage in Thailand -- also I'm on the Viet Vet web ring and the TLCB web ring (Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood).
 

Todd Peer wrote:

Hi John,

Good to have you around.  There are a couple of LD-riders on the list,
including me.  If you're interested in meeting in person, come out to the
DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Summit on October, 24th.

Check here http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ for more details.

Once again, glad to have you around.

Todd

> Hi:
> I'm new to this group, and just wanted to introduce myself.
>
> John Pierre-Benoist
> 1997 H-D Dyna Convertible
> enjoy LONG distance rides -- looking for companions interested in Iron
> Butt rides
> love backcountry exploration: small roads, tiny towns, Appalachia,....
> live in Vienna, VA
> married, bur wife won't ride, so willing to ride a friend.
>
>
>
>

--------------AF0D168F53BE516EAFB5B39F-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 12:42:18 1998 Return-Path: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02710 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:42:17 -0400 (EDT) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id LQFYa07908 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6de9342a.36110d47@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:39:35 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Any V-Max suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'm finally ready to add a V-Max to the fleet, and I'm looking at a few in the area. Any current owners have tips on problems to look for? Please e-mail if so; thanks in advance for your help. HCM From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 13:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03996 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 280; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:16:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3611162F.692C18A3@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:17:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles CC: Leon Begeman , John Pierre-Benoist Subject: Re: Hi References: <3610F479.BD88BACE@ids2.idsonline.com> <3610FD79.6F58F043@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > Talk to Dale, he might like your bike, he's the anti-techno guy on the > list. He might like your Harley. Yeah, I've already been talking with John, I've pointed him to DC cycles and the LDrider list. I've also already complimented him on his Dyna Convertible. Nice ride! Much easier to mount highway pegs on than my Concours (but I'm working on it). :) > He's also an official witness for > the Iron Butt Association. Yep, now I'm a o-fishul witness. Anyone want to take a ride? So Leon, what's the pay like? :) > PS. Don't take me seriously, I sure don't. PPS. But don't underestimate our dear Leon, either. He's a real piece of work, that John Deere riding friend of ours. > '89 Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 > '96 Tomos Targa Moped - World's Toughest Moped > '91 Ninja 600 - not a long-distance bike (yet) Yep, the 600 is the deluxe touring barge, huh? :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 13:19:50 1998 Return-Path: jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX Received: from flywheel.usitc.gov (gate.usitc.gov [205.197.120.254]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04287 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (itc001033.usitc.gov [172.16.50.46]) by flywheel.usitc.gov with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA18755; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36111793.EF138681@ids2.idsonline.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:23:31 -0400 From: John Pierre-Benoist X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Hi References: <3610F479.BD88BACE@ids2.idsonline.com> <3610FD79.6F58F043@illuminet.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BC638F8C9938FC0308AABC71" --------------BC638F8C9938FC0308AABC71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hoo! Boy! I knew we'd have this conversation at some point! Yes!! The ONLY real cycle out there is a Harley (with the possible exception of Big Dogs, Titans, California Cycles, and other such S&S engine based cycles) -- the rest are either racing cycles converted to street use -- and neither my wrists nor my shoulders (especially with rotator cuff damage) can handle those -- OR they're Harley wannabees, like the Vulcan. I've done here to Dyersburg, in western TN on my Dyna (her name is Betsy), at night, with rain, and was relatively comfortable the whole way: I was able to lean back into my T-Bag, put my feet up on the highway pegs, lock the throttle, and cruise. She's done West "By God" Virginia at night, in the rain, from Ky to DC, via rte. 55. One 3 day weekend she did VA, TN, AR, MO, KY, and WVA -- I was sick 5 months and she was sick one month, and I still put 13,000 on her last year. Yes, Harley's (given the correct model -- mine has rubber engine isolation mounts) can be great long-distance bikes (note: I am not claiming a Dyna is as comfortable as an Ultra Classic or a Gold Wing, even though the GW just doesn't "feel" like a motorcycle). ************************************************************ Leon Begeman wrote: > Welcome. Now why would anyone get a Harley for long distance rides? > You ought to get yourself a REAL motorcycle for that kind of riding. :-) > > Talk to Dale, he might like your bike, he's the anti-techno guy on the > list. He might like your Harley. He's also an official witness for the > Iron Butt Association. > > PS. Don't take me seriously, I sure don't. > > Leon. > '89 Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 > '96 Tomos Targa Moped - World's Toughest Moped > '91 Ninja 600 - not a long-distance bike (yet) > > John Pierre-Benoist wrote: > > > > Hi: > > I'm new to this group, and just wanted to introduce myself. > > > > John Pierre-Benoist > > 1997 H-D Dyna Convertible > > enjoy LONG distance rides -- looking for companions interested in Iron > > Butt rides > > love backcountry exploration: small roads, tiny towns, Appalachia,.... > > live in Vienna, VA > > married, bur wife won't ride, so willing to ride a friend. --------------BC638F8C9938FC0308AABC71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hoo! Boy!  I knew we'd have this conversation at some point! Yes!!

The ONLY real cycle out there is a Harley (with the possible exception of Big Dogs, Titans, California Cycles, and other such S&S engine based cycles) -- the rest are either racing cycles converted to street use -- and neither my wrists nor my shoulders (especially with rotator cuff damage) can handle those -- OR they're Harley wannabees, like the Vulcan.  I've done here to Dyersburg, in western TN on my Dyna (her name is Betsy), at night, with rain, and was relatively comfortable the whole way: I was able to lean back into my T-Bag, put my feet up on the highway pegs, lock the throttle, and cruise.  She's done West "By God" Virginia at night, in the rain, from Ky to DC, via rte. 55.  One 3 day weekend she did VA, TN, AR, MO, KY, and WVA -- I was sick 5 months and she was sick one month, and I still put 13,000 on her last year.  Yes, Harley's (given the correct model -- mine has rubber engine isolation mounts) can be great long-distance bikes (note: I am not claiming a Dyna is as comfortable as an Ultra Classic or a Gold Wing, even though the GW just doesn't "feel" like a motorcycle).
************************************************************
Leon Begeman wrote:

Welcome.  Now why would anyone get a Harley for long distance rides?
You ought to get yourself a REAL motorcycle for that kind of riding. :-)

Talk to Dale, he might like your bike, he's the anti-techno guy on the
list.  He might like your Harley.  He's also an official witness for the
Iron Butt Association.

PS.  Don't take me seriously, I sure don't.

Leon.
'89 Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000
'96 Tomos Targa Moped - World's Toughest Moped
'91 Ninja 600 - not a long-distance bike (yet)

John Pierre-Benoist wrote:
>
> Hi:
> I'm new to this group, and just wanted to introduce myself.
>
> John Pierre-Benoist
> 1997 H-D Dyna Convertible
> enjoy LONG distance rides -- looking for companions interested in Iron
> Butt rides
> love backcountry exploration: small roads, tiny towns, Appalachia,....
> live in Vienna, VA
> married, bur wife won't ride, so willing to ride a friend.

--------------BC638F8C9938FC0308AABC71-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 13:40:36 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04976 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 ([131.7.252.171]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02642; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:40:38 -0400 Message-ID: <36110D4B.7F5D7A73@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:39:39 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Hi X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3610F479.BD88BACE@ids2.idsonline.com> <3610FD79.6F58F043@illuminet.net> <3611162F.692C18A3@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Yep, now I'm a o-fishul witness. Anyone want to take a ride? > So Leon, what's the pay like? :) Pay ain't much, but the benefits more than make up for it. I got a trip to Deal's Gap out of it last spring. ;-) Leon. Currently in Nebraska, I'll be home tomorrow evening. Hoping Georges stays in the south for another day. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 13:56:50 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05832 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA09862; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:55:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA27601; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:55:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980929175528.OKOK18768@XXXXXX>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:55:28 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Jason Picton" , Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdebd2$3848da40$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D4492@WASH50> Importance: Normal Wow! Another newbie. Welcome Jason. If you don't mind travelling about a half/hour to an hour, there are usually some good rides posted for western VA/MD/WVA. Another motorcycling computer geek....you said it. They're all over the place here, though some won't admit to being one, you know, a motorcyclist ;) Glad to have you around Todd http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ > > Hello All > > I am new to the group and want to say hello and let you guys > know who I am. > > My name is Jason Picton, I am 28 Yrs old, married (wife doesn't ride), > and a Sr. Systems Engineer for the American Chemical Society in DC (yet > another motorcycling computer geek). I currently own two bikes; a1996 > Suzuki Savage LS650 "The Big Single" (modified) and a 1983 Honda VF750F > "Interceptor" (stock). I like all types of riding from just cruising > along minding my own business as well as riding hard on back roads > (often depends upon which bike I am riding). I live in MD ½ between > Baltimore and DC (where I work) but I am willing to travel to find new > and exciting roads. > > Hope to meet you all soon. > > Jason > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 15:10:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09001 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24322 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21165 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id MAA09744 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:10:09 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:10:09 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF2AAAEA@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Hi Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:10:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Hoo! Boy!=A0 I knew we'd have this conversation at some point! Yes!!=20 >The ONLY real cycle out there is a Harley=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Jean-Pierre, =A0 Welcome to the list - the important thing here is that you ride - what = you ride isn't relevant. =A0 O.K. - a motorcycle, then... =A0 You have to remember that Leon does his stuff on a 250 Ninja (somewhat modified). Other than that - he's a nice guy. =A0 Michael Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP (neither a Harley wanna-be nor a racer with lights) '86 SRX-6 (see above) =A0 =A0 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 15:55:49 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10834 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:56:39 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450422ED83E@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Ciao Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:53:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm going to be exploring a new job here with the start of a new month.. no guarantees about e-mail (though if I get it, should be the same address).. so I'm departing from the list.. I'm sure I'll be at Todds for da Partaaay.. No flame wars without me here now.. I don't want to miss any of the action.. If you HAVE to get intouch with me.. I have another e-mail at brianpm@XXXXXX that I'll probably check on a weekly basis.. Ride safe everyone.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 16:02:30 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com ([199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11243 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA19334 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:01:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08979 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:01:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980929200108.PWFO18768@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:01:08 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: The Tire Changer.....Revisited. Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:00:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bdebe3$c6d6a060$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Here it is again....The dreaded tire changer thread. But this time the news is a little more cheery. HooRah! I found a company who is willing to deal with us for a new 'Manual' tire changer that will do everything the 'pneumatic' one would do, but w/o the air assist. According to the sales guy, it would have trouble with ATV tires, but who cares! The nice thing is that it is only $850, delivered! So, of the original list (I still have) of people that would pledge $30 to share the use of a tire changer, "Show me the money!" Same deal as before folks. You buy in, you have rights to a cooperative share to use the machine. I'll take checks and money orders until the evening of the DC-Cycles Summit. Send, or hand to me a SELF ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE (SASE) with the funds to get in on this. Todd B. Peer 8605 Langport Drive Springfield, VA 22152 That is all... Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 16:26:51 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12115 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:26:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id CNEVa10655; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:25:06 EDT To: jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hi Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/29/98 1:25:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jpierre- benoist@XXXXXX writes: << The ONLY real cycle out there is a Harley (with the possible exception of Big Dogs, Titans, California Cycles, and other such S&S engine based cycles) -- the rest are either racing cycles converted to street use -- and neither my wrists nor my shoulders (especially with rotator cuff damage) can handle those -- OR they're Harley wannabees, like the Vulcan. >> Well, isn't this a bit of hyperbole. 1. Harleys (and Harley wannabes) are not designed to perform a particular function, they are designed to encompass a style of motorcycle that was built in the U.S. in the 40s, 50s and 60s which even then not designed to perform a particular function beyond conveyance. 2. In the mid 60s, Harleys were an american motorcycle that to us Europeans appeared to have developed (or actually remained the same) because of a general isolation of the U.S.motorcycle riding public, which was much smaller than the motorcycle riding public in Europe. In fact, most Harleys were ridden by rather shady characters who lived a biker "lifestyle" as I recall in those days. 3. About 20 years ago Harley's retro look became fashionable and the bike became popular for its looks, however, one would be deluded to think that a "touring" Harley is a better touring motorcycle than a Goldwing, BMW, Guzzi or the many other Japanese tourers (Concours, ST etc.) which, by the way, are not "race-bikes" put on the road. One would also be deluded to think that the Sportster is actually sporty, unless you compare it to a Dynaglide; nor is it a capable tourer. The Harley represents a fashion statement and for that it is great. I have no problem with anyone making a fashion statement and "looking" the Harley part, hey whatever makes you happy. In Italy Harleys are extremely popular with the more fashionable folks, but these folks are not touring types nor sport riders, they are out to make a fashion statement and they will admit that is their purpose. It would be foolish to think that a "touring" Harley is better for touring than a bike specifically designed for touring or that a Sportster is better for sports-riding than a bike specifically designed for sport riding. It is also foolish to think that a modern Japanese standard- bike, which is only designed for general functionality will not perform better in general functionality than a bike which is developed under form-related design constraints. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 17:07:27 1998 Return-Path: jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX Received: from flywheel.usitc.gov (gate.usitc.gov [205.197.120.254]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13906 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (itc001033.usitc.gov [172.16.50.46]) by flywheel.usitc.gov with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA21245; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36114CE1.F52799A2@ids2.idsonline.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:10:58 -0400 From: John Pierre-Benoist X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wouldn't ride a rice-burner further than around the block -- too uncomfortable! BMW? Their remake is also too uncomfortable. Moto Guzzi? Perhaps, but just as a boulevard bike. Gold Wing, doesn't even feel like a bike, but it is comfortable for the long haul. The ergonomics of Harley's fit me perfectly. And I much prefer air cooled engines. The Harley "bad boy" image is far more media generated legend than fact. And I'll take an H-D Ultra Classic over any Goldwing, BMW, Guzzi or the many other Japanese tourers (Concours, ST etc.) Especially with the new H-D engine. However, except for the GW and maybe the Guzzi, someone should be told that they're not "race bikes" so they'd stop making them look like one. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 17:10:28 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13919 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p151.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.151]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20057 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:08:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <36114A59.7D3@flash.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:00:10 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: DC-Cycles 2nd Annual.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Wrong state. That's West "By God" Virginia where it's all relative. > hehe > Although, my folks house is only about 15 miles from the WVa. border. > Scary. I guess that's why OJ moved to WV; everyone's DNA is the same. One more and then I'll leave quietly: Gennifer Flowers was asked if her relationship with Bill Clinton was anything like the Monica Lewinski affair. She replied, "Close, but no cigar." Lee From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 17:10:32 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13922 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p151.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.151]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20128 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:09:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <36114B97.1E1B@flash.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:05:27 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Hi References: <3610F479.BD88BACE@ids2.idsonline.com> <3610FD79.6F58F043@illuminet.net> <36111793.EF138681@ids2.idsonline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Pierre-Benoist wrote: > > Hoo! Boy! I knew we'd have this conversation at some point! Yes!! > > The ONLY real cycle out there is a Harley You ARE just kidding around, aren't you? Lee From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 17:28:13 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from brap-2.cais.net (brap-2.cais.net [205.252.14.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14755 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (dynamic100.cais.com [207.226.56.100]) by brap-2.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA21031 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000001bdec08$9798a9e0$6438e2cf@default> From: "Mike B." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Joining the group Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:05:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 A hearty welcome ! I also started on a 88 Radian, Not a bad bike :-). I noticed a big difference when I moved up to my old ZX 600, in power and chassis stability. Anyway hope to ride with you soon Mike B. 98 ZX 900R -----Original Message----- From: James Knowlton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 5:56 PM Subject: Joining the group >Hello all. > >My name is Jim, but my friends call me JR. I recently got on the list to >receive emails from your club. I have been riding for about 5 years. My >first bike, which I recently sold, was an '86 Radian. It was a good bike >to start with and sometimes I miss it. Last month, I bought a '98 YZF >600. I thought my Radian was fairly quick, but that bike doesn't have >anything on that YZF. Of course, any sportbike with a big motor is going >to be faster, but this 600 should keep me interested for awhile. > > >I just went on a ride with two lovely ladies from your group (isn't that >what you told me to say Ursulina haha), Ursulina and Anita and had a >great time. Since I have only been riding this bike for a sgort time, >they took it easy on me. I am looking forward to getting out with a >larger group. Anyway, just wanted to say hey and look forward to meeting >more people from the group soon. > >Til then - > >JR > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 18:16:18 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16489 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id CYRQa17798; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5349018d.36115bcb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:14:35 EDT To: jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX Cc: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hi Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/29/98 5:07:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jpierre- benoist@XXXXXX writes: << However, except for the GW and maybe the Guzzi, someone should be told that they're not "race bikes" so they'd stop making them look like one. >> Well, to each his own but the "racebike" look you talk about on those very good and capable Japanese and German touring bikes is really a functional design that is created through what is called "wind tunnel" testing. You see, many of those bikes are sold outside the U.S., where hours of sustained riding at 120-130 MPH is quite normal on autobahns, autostradas and autoroutes. Don't get me wrong, I also prefer a different type of bike than your Japanese, German or Italian tourer, but I can grasp the function over form nature of these bikes. I don't think you would like my two Japanese bikes much but maybe you'd like my British bike, it has similar engine and frame technology of a modern Harley but was designed in the 50s and mine is a 1975 model. With the rear-sets and clip-ons it may have a little of the racebike look though but it doesn't have a fairing. By the way how long have you been riding? IMHO, calling them "rice burners" will not endear you much to others on this list. But maybe you might want to come out on one of our rides, you might be surprised how these "rice burners" take naturally to windy roads. On these roads the concept of functional design becomes quite clear. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 20:59:22 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23152 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.186]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 294; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:58:23 -0400 Message-ID: <36118316.BDCFBFC7@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:02:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: The Tire Changer.....Revisited. References: <001801bdebe3$c6d6a060$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit YESSS!!!!! WOO! WOO! WOO! WOO! ICANHARDLYWAIT! Check is in the mail...soon! I'm there dude! Good job, Todd! And Scooter, too, I think, for the lead. Still will probably have to trick Leon into hosting another tire changing party in the meantime, my front tire is bald, the back one isn't far behind. Horkster (glad to not have to pay stealerships for mounting my tires anymore) Todd Peer wrote: > > Here it is again....The dreaded tire changer thread. But this time the news > is a little more cheery. HooRah! > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 21:04:25 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23207 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.186]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 280; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:03:31 -0400 Message-ID: <3611844B.5F61C3CE@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:07:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Boiade@XXXXXX, jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boys, boys, boys, All bikes are cool. Except maybe the Pacific Coast. :) (Sorry, Amy!) Let's leave it at that. :) Let's go ride! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 21:52:50 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25268 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:50:15 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Any V-Max suggestions? Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:52:54 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01bdec15$0a5bd220$2a80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <6de9342a.36110d47@aol.com> >From what I hear, they handle like shit. Don't make any turns, and you'll be okay. Or... I saw this guy who put some airfoils on his front forks. Said it helped a lot. If interested, I can provide some sparse details. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX [mailto:HiCapMag@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 12:40 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Any V-Max suggestions? > > > > I'm finally ready to add a V-Max to the fleet, and I'm looking at > a few in the > area. Any current owners have tips on problems to look for? > Please e-mail if > so; thanks in advance for your help. > > HCM > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 21:53:00 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25271 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:50:26 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC-Cycles" Cc: "Leon Begeman" Subject: RE: Hi Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:53:06 -0400 Message-ID: <007101bdec15$113caf60$2a80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3611162F.692C18A3@tidalwave.net> Seen the latest MCN? Someone wrote in questioning the ability of the Ninja 250 to go long distances. I think Leon owes MCN a letter and a url:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > > '89 Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 > > '96 Tomos Targa Moped - World's Toughest Moped > > '91 Ninja 600 - not a long-distance bike (yet) > > Yep, the 600 is the deluxe touring barge, huh? :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 21:53:03 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25273 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:50:24 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "John Pierre-Benoist" , "Leon Begeman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Hi Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:52:56 -0400 Message-ID: <006c01bdec15$0b5f3860$2a80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01BDEBF3.844D9860" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36111793.EF138681@ids2.idsonline.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BDEBF3.844D9860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I'm sure this is all tongue-in-cheek, I feel the need to add my five cents... I own/have owned four bikes: Kawasaki Eliminator: Kinda cruiserish looking. But except for the softail fender, it ain't no Harley wannabe. First of all, it's got an inline four. Second, it handles, stops, and brakes. For $5500. Try that on a 883. BMW R850R: Yeah. Harley clone or race rep? It's a UDM: Universal Deutsche Motorrad 1981 GL1100I: It's a tourer. It doesn't get sick. As for handling... lemme get that new tire put on the front, and we'll see what feels like a bike. Oh, it's that 8500 RPM redline that throws you. BMW K1100RS: It's a tourer. No, it's a sport bike. No, it's a sport-tourer. It's fast. It handles. It has fuel injection, ABS, water-cooling, shaft drive (hmm... Maybe it's a car) Let's not forget dirtbikes. Oh, I guess they're all KR750 ripoffs? Welcome aboard. :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: John Pierre-Benoist [mailto:jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 1:24 PM To: Leon Begeman Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Hi Hoo! Boy! I knew we'd have this conversation at some point! Yes!! The ONLY real cycle out there is a Harley (with the possible exception of Big Dogs, Titans, California Cycles, and other such S&S engine based cycles) -- the rest are either racing cycles converted to street use -- and neither my wrists nor my shoulders (especially with rotator cuff damage) can handle those -- OR they're Harley wannabees, like the Vulcan. I've done here to Dyersburg, in western TN on my Dyna (her name is Betsy), at night, with rain, and was relatively comfortable the whole way: I was able to lean back into my T-Bag, put my feet up on the highway pegs, lock the throttle, and cruise. She's done West "By God" Virginia at night, in the rain, from Ky to DC, via rte. 55. One 3 day weekend she did VA, TN, AR, MO, KY, and WVA -- I was sick 5 months and she was sick one month, and I still put 13,000 on her last year. Yes, Harley's (given the correct model -- mine has rubber engine isolation mounts) can be great long-distance bikes (note: I am not claiming a Dyna is as comfortable as an Ultra Classic or a Gold Wing, even though the GW just doesn't "feel" like a motorcycle). , bur wife won't ride, so willing to ride a friend. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BDEBF3.844D9860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While=20 I'm sure this is all tongue-in-cheek, I feel the need to add my five=20 cents...
 
I=20 own/have owned four bikes:
 
Kawasaki Eliminator: Kinda cruiserish looking. But except for = the softail=20 fender, it ain't no Harley wannabe. First of all, it's got an inline = four.=20 Second,  it handles, stops, and brakes. For $5500. Try that on a=20 883.
 
BMW=20 R850R: Yeah. Harley clone or race rep? It's a UDM: Universal Deutsche=20 Motorrad
 
1981=20 GL1100I: It's a tourer. It doesn't get sick. As for handling... lemme = get that=20 new tire put on the front, and we'll see what feels like a bike. Oh, = it's that=20 8500 RPM redline that throws you.
 
BMW=20 K1100RS: It's a tourer. No, it's a sport bike. No, it's a sport-tourer. = It's=20 fast. It handles. It has fuel injection, ABS, water-cooling, shaft drive = (hmm...=20 Maybe it's a car)
 
Let's=20 not forget dirtbikes. Oh, I guess they're all KR750 = ripoffs?
 
Welcome aboard. :)
 

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-George=20 Howell
ghowell@XXXXXX
georgehowell@XXXXXX

 
-----Original Message-----
From: John = Pierre-Benoist=20 [mailto:jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX]
Sent: Tuesday, = September 29, 1998 1:24 PM
To: Leon Begeman
Cc:=20 DC-Cycles
Subject: Re: Hi

Hoo! Boy!  I knew we'd have this conversation = at some=20 point! Yes!!=20

The ONLY real cycle out there is a Harley (with the possible = exception of=20 Big Dogs, Titans, California Cycles, and other such S&S engine = based=20 cycles) -- the rest are either racing cycles converted to street use = -- and=20 neither my wrists nor my shoulders (especially with rotator cuff = damage) can=20 handle those -- OR they're Harley wannabees, like the Vulcan.  = I've=20 done here to Dyersburg, in western TN on my Dyna (her name is = Betsy), at=20 night, with rain, and was relatively comfortable the whole way: I = was able=20 to lean back into my T-Bag, put my feet up on the highway pegs, lock = the=20 throttle, and cruise.  She's done West "By God" = Virginia at=20 night, in the rain, from Ky to DC, via rte. 55.  One 3 day = weekend she=20 did VA, TN, AR, MO, KY, and WVA -- I was sick 5 months and she was = sick one=20 month, and I still put 13,000 on her last year.  Yes, Harley's = (given=20 the correct model -- mine has rubber engine isolation mounts) can be = great=20 long-distance bikes (note: I am not claiming a Dyna is as = comfortable as an=20 Ultra Classic or a Gold Wing, even though the GW just doesn't=20 "feel" like a motorcycle). , bur wife won't ride, so = willing to=20 ride a friend.

------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BDEBF3.844D9860-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 21:53:07 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25276 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:50:30 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mike B." , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Joining the group Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:53:10 -0400 Message-ID: <007301bdec15$13869f60$2a80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <000001bdec08$9798a9e0$6438e2cf@default> I'm lucky enough to still be able to ride my first bike occasionally. Been riding it for a few days (just for a change of pace, and to ride it hard before putting it up for the winter). And yes, the chassis isn't... as good as the BMW. And no, there is ZERO torque. But over 8000 or so, it's still fun. But not for the long haul. Too damned much shifting around to get the same effect on the BMW. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 21:53:10 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25278 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:50:28 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "John Pierre-Benoist" Cc: Subject: RE: Hi Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:53:07 -0400 Message-ID: <007201bdec15$120dbb00$2a80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36114CE1.F52799A2@ids2.idsonline.com> > Wouldn't ride a rice-burner further than around the block -- too > uncomfortable! Before we go much further down this route, I'll just point out that that phrase is a bit... offensive to some on the list, and we try to refrain from using it. Crotch-rocket and squid-mobile are acceptable, however. > BMW? Their remake is also too uncomfortable. Which one? R1100R, R1200C, R1100GS, R1100S, R1100RS, F650, F650ST, K1100LT, K1100RS, K1200RS, K1200LT... While they may not seem that different at first, these bikes offer a tremendous range of riding positions. As far as uncomfortable... How can you tell on an HD? Who let you sit on one? Not Battley's or FWHD. I sat on a few at the Cleveland bike show (IX center every February), and have to admit that if I were about... 5 inches shorter in the legs, they'd be tolerable. > Moto Guzzi? Perhaps, > but just as a > boulevard bike. Which Moto Guzzi? The California/EV, the Centauro, the Sport? > Gold Wing, doesn't even feel like a bike, but it > is comfortable > for the long haul. Which wing? There were four generations, each offering a standard and touring package (if you count the current GL1500-C as a standard). Different bikes, different feelings. Why doesn't it 'feel' like a bike? > The ergonomics of Harley's fit me perfectly. And I much prefer air > cooled > engines. Uh, why? > The Harley "bad boy" image is far more media generated legend than fact. Maybe in your neck of the woods... > And I'll take an H-D Ultra Classic over any Goldwing, BMW, Guzzi > or the many other > Japanese tourers (Concours, ST etc.) Especially with the new H-D engine. Why? Stubborn brand loyality, or rational purchasing decision? At $20,000 (going price for Ultra Classic) I can have not only a Wing (can easily be found for $15000. Heck, you can get a K11LT for that much AND get 3.9% financing) and still have $5000 left for a runabout. > However, except for the GW and maybe the Guzzi, someone should be > told that > they're not "race bikes" so they'd stop making them look like one. So, if it has a fairing, it's a race bike? In most parts of the world, fairings are a useful addition for riding in inclement weather. As for bikes that don't look like race bikes: Suzuki GS500 Bandit Honda Nighthawk BMW F650 R roadsters Moto-Guzzi Centauro Ducati Monsters The list goes on and on. And if you include European markets and Asian markets... As far as cookie-cutter bikes go, let's look at HD. They've got, in essence, four bikes (follow my reasoning, and, yes, BMW only has 3 bikes, but I feel there is more to differentiate in BMW's lineup than HDs) They've got softails, dynas, XL, and FLs. Everything else is just window dressing. A different fender here, a little more chrome there. They are all piss-poor performers (XL Sport? Please) and serve best as fashion statements. While hardly an accurate impression, since this past spring, I've stopped to assist a half-dozen bikers. All on newish HDs (hard to tell on first glance, but I don't remember any pre-evo's). No Wings, even though several thousand were in Ohio when I went out there for the Homecoming. Sure, my Wing has broken down once. Main fuse blew. What can I say? Bike parts corrode when left outside for eight years. Say, you aren't married are you? Is her name Squeakers? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 22:09:20 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25768 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14821; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3611B7CA.E33724C5@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:47:06 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Pierre-Benoist CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi References: <007201bdec15$120dbb00$2a80e2cf@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, before we sit here and chase the new guy off on his first day here....... Take it all with a grain of salt John...everyone on the list has an opinion about everything, and they aren't afraid to let you hear it (me included *grin*) We're actually a pretty good group of folks though, and when you show up for a ride, it doesn't matter who or where it was made.... Welcome to the list.... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 home page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ racing page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 22:27:50 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26598 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA26998 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3611C27C.78A2@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:32:44 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: MotoMag link Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey DC Guys and Gals, Earlier today Kirk posted a link regarding the new Sazook twin models ergo-différences. Well, that wasn't too interesting to me so I played with the URL and checked out the rest of the site which is devoted to (most of the) new models at the Munich show. This French site features some pretty neat pics of the 99 bikes - some of which we all here may not ever even see... For starters, check out this very cool pic of a Kawasaki 650 twin (actually 676 cm3). Talk about retro! First of all, the bike looks like a 1969 Triumph Bonneville or Tiger yet the rear shocks lokk circa 1967. OK, OK, I know many of you weren't even a sparkle in your daddy's eye then ;) and prolly don't give a hoot, but I thought this is a really neat looking machine! What say you Dale, Fred, Leon, Chris N. and other people old enough to remember watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan? Pretty neat looking bike, eh? John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 22:44:57 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27361 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.21]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:42:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: MotoMag link Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:45:03 -0400 Message-ID: <007801bdec1c$53170960$2a80e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3611C27C.78A2@mnsinc.com> > First of all, the bike looks like a 1969 Triumph Bonneville or Tiger yet > the rear shocks lokk circa 1967. OK, OK, I know many of you weren't even > a sparkle in your daddy's eye then ;) and prolly don't give a hoot, but > I thought this is a really neat looking machine! > > What say you Dale, Fred, Leon, Chris N. and other people old enough to > remember watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan? Pretty neat looking bike, > eh? I actually mentioned this bike last week. And I wasn't born until after our last trip to the moon (but I was born during the waning years of the Nixon presidency) and this bike looks brilliant. Sadly, unless you know a grey importer, I doubt you'll see it in the flesh. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 29 22:45:20 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27408 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from