From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 02:47:42 1997 From: bonez@XXXXXX Comments: Authenticated sender is To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Chris Norloff Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:51:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB should be 1% now! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Back in the 60's the AMA stated that the "Hell's Angel" types were only about 1% of the motorcyclists in the USA. with that many of the "hard core" biker started proudly referring to themselves as "One Percenters" and often had a patch on their dusters that had 1& on it. The Dirty Loud etc...etc.. movie bikers wouldn't be a pimple on the ass of ANY of the 1%ers I've known. Chris once again I see that we have come from 2 VERY different backgrounds. ( by the way it was a one percenter that taught me about the 2 kinds of riders... not to get that thread going again). In spite of your usual showing of intelligence (even if I don't agree with it!) this time you've really stepped in it. My guess is the only 1%ers you've ever met has been on TV or when you've arrested them. (not a good way to meet people, it gives both of you a bad impression of the other.) Anyway even though these guy's often look mean and nasty, often they have had the same bad breaks that you usally see in a guy on a heater grate downtown but they had a different reaction, to take care of themselves and those who they are responsible to and for. Their method's may not be very forgiving of the rest of the world but they think of it as giving back what they get. In most cases I would trust any of them more then the average citizen. Friend or enemy you know where you stand with them. That's better then you can say for most of those making (/enforcing?) the laws in our country!! The only times that I have seen hollywierd portray motorcyle enthusiasts fairly has been the car commercial recently where the gut has a twitch in his eye and the biker shrugs and winks back at him screwing around. That and the movie with Cher in it called "Mask" . ... steps down from soap box.... How many of you other "Old Farts" can tell where the name (and origins) of the Hell's Angels as a group came from. As far as the other post about the pagan's I have never met a pagan but any of the 1%ers I ahve met ( HA, Outlaw's, Banditos, ....) all have never said anything good about them as a group. bottom of the barrell (Chris's 1%) By the way I have only ridden Sochirio's finest (Honda to the unwashed) and because I have alway's stood my ground and NEVER!!! said anything I couldn't back up, I have never had a serious problem with this RABID Harley crowd! K.P. Mahoney or "Honda" Bones as the "leaker" riders know me bonez@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:34:36 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Chris Norloff > Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB > > So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? > > The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole. > Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed > on TV and in movies as "bikers". > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 02:47:46 1997 From: bonez@XXXXXX Comments: Authenticated sender is To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Chris Norloff Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:51:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Chris how does it feel to find the shoe on the other foot. I just read this old mail from you 5 minutes after sending my previous reply. Read together they sure put an interesting spin on you point of view. My opinion of Bike cops back home was that they thought all of us (not cops) made them look bad and they were out to clean up Dodge City. Looks like I may have been right in your case. > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:34:36 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Chris Norloff > Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB > > So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? > > The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole. > Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed > on TV and in movies as "bikers". > > Chris Norloff > Date sent: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:50:41 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycle Officers [was: Rookie MCP Cop >And as a general rule motorcycle cops are assholes. i have yet to me >a nice one. if you know a nice one, please have him call me. I >really would like to meet one that is not a butthead. i do not wave >to cop-bikers. I fear they will pull me over for wrecklss driving >(hands off handlebars) Is this supposed to be flame-bait? As a general rule, statements that say "as a general rule [group of people] are jerks" are false. If you really want to meet neat officers on bikes, take an MSF course (high percentage of officers) or enroll to become an instructor. I met a lot of officers that way ... most of them were good people, one was not - sort of like all people. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 09:53:36 1997 X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:52:50 -0400 To: RFRAER@XXXXXX, KLThomas77@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: VFR popping out of gear In-Reply-To: <970831223520_-333939616@emout16.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kevin, Sorry I forgot to mention it before. On the Suzuki list a lot of people are having similar problems with the RF900 (and older GSXR1100). Their 2nd gear is also popping out and eventually needing replaced. The cause for them was found to be the gear itself. Apparently all the gears except 2nd are undercut. With repeated hard accelerations the straight cut 2nd eventually starts bending. Just some more food for thought. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 21:21:13 1997 X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970830094222.2fef0650@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:21:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: a fall paintball ride? > I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a paintball >ride. You know... get together, ride up to the paintball field, get there, >let me kill everyone, then we either go someplace to eat, or go home. >October was usually best, cuz it aint too hot and aint too cold. Paintballs >get hard in the cold and hurt like hell if ya get one in the face, but when >its too warm, you get all hot and sweaty from runnin up and down those damn >hills. You need at least 20 people in order to reserve a field that will be >JUST for YOU. Its MUCH better to do it that way, cuz some of those >paintballers think they're Rambo with their automatic weapons and all. MUCH >better to be your OWN group and be similarly equipped. > Well, like I said. I was just wonderin if there was any people out there >not afraid of gettin shot up. > >Squeakers Squeak speaks truth about the cold: I went in late November one year, and got shot at close range in the thigh. The bruise was ugly enough by itself, but the amazing thing was the perfect circle of blood about 3" in diameter. I can only guess that the skin 'splashed up' and tore at the peak of the splash. Wear layers, with quilted thermals underneath. If I had a ton of disposable income (i.e. no MCs) and no life whatsoever, I'd have one of those automatic paintball guns. They're cool. Keep me posted. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 23:11:40 1997 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:58:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Need a faring. To: Bryndyn Weiner cc: CB-1 list , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <34087076.6C2E@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 30 Aug 1997, Bryndyn Weiner wrote: > If anyone has a generic 1/4 faring or > cafe faring or even the upper faring off of some other sportbike with a > single round headlight, I'm interested in buying it. I'm not terribly > concerned about its appearance, just the fit and mounting requirements. I've seen generic "cafe" 1/4 fairings in JC Whitney for like $40-50. You could also check out a Dennis Kirk catalog.National Cycle makes several windshields that are cafe styled;the Cafe,Gauntlet,Stiletto,etc. I haven't priced them lately,but I can't see them being over $100. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 23:38:16 1997 Subject: DC mc license test Date: Mon, 1 Sep 97 23:38:08 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello. Does anybody on the list have a good recollection of the DC motorcycle license riding test (if you've taken it yourself) or know through other means what they require the rider to do? A housemate of mine is going to take it on the 18th of Sept and I want to make sure he practices the 'right' maneuvers. I assume that it is a parking lot exam. I know that the MSF course would prepare him quite well for it, but he doesn't have the means to get to one at this point in time. Any info will be must appreciated. Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 23:59:37 1997 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:23:46 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Ban On Smoking. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok all, New rule for group rides;the two-smokes ride at the back of the pack! On yesterday's CAMS ride,we were able to track the guy on the Aprillia who left us on a twisty road by the smell of his exhaust. :-P Oh,guess I might as well make a ride report,huh?Well,it was a pretty cool ride.We started out from a Silver Diner,and then went down some roads(can you tell I had no idea where I was?),and finally ended at Paynes Biker Cafe.We started with about 17 riders,then broke into two groups when Colin and the two-smoker broke off and went down a back road(what happened to you Linda?).That was a lot of fun;too bad I can't remember how to get back there.But we did get to see the Ducati crash site,and we were shown the Top Secret industrial park track course(I do remember where that is,but I've been sworn to secrecy).The only bad was when the guy on the Maxim went down.We wound up making a quick stop to pull into a parking lot in a horseshoe curve,and he went a little wide and dropped it at the side of the road.No injuries,and the only damage to the bike was he lost the spring off his kickstand.They were able to repair it with a coat hanger(who rides around with coat hangers?).Also,the weather was absolutely perfect.Warm,but not too hot,and nice and sunny.Hope everyone else got to enjoy the weather this weekend. BTW,anybody know that guy with the Maxim(or know the girl on the red Katana he came with)?From the way he was riding(the crash,almost rear- ending me)I got the impression he's not used to either the power or the shaft drive on that bike.His last bike was an iron-head Sportster(60's era)and I think he said he had been off a bike for awhile before recently getting the Yamaha.We need to get him to an MSF course. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 00:03:50 1997 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:55:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Saddlemen Seats. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone here purchased a seat from Saddlemen?I just saw one in an issue of Hot Bike designed for my S1.I need a new(real) seat bad,and the Corbin model doesn't really impress me for the price.The Saddlemen one looks way more comfortable,and I think I could also take a passenger on it(the Corbin's a solo).Inputs anyone? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 07:21:16 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Ban On Smoking. & CAMS Sunday route Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:18:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT, 49 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >We started out from a Silver Diner,and then went down >some roads(can you tell I had no idea where I was?) Route 50 to Snickersville Tpke - took a left off Snickersville to St Louis (and back to 50) Over Mt. Weather - stopped at Horseshoe Curve Restaurant (closed 'till noon) and then off to Payne's in Leesburg. >From the way he was riding(the crash,almost rear- >ending me)I got the impression he's not used to either the power or the >shaft drive on that bike. He probably wasn't paying attention closely - he was behind me on the blast over Mt. Weather (I was hanging just behind the ZX-11) and keeping up quite nicely (I was amazed that he was able to hustle the Maxim over that road that well). 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BAD NEWS: 1. They took a screwdriver to the key/ignition switch and destroyed that. I cannot get the key into it, nor can I get the handlebars unlocked. 2. They cut two wires at the top of the forks leading to the ignition switch in an attempt to hot-wire it. GOOD NEWS (if there can really be any): 1. They did NOT get frustrated at the fact that they could not steal the bike and damage it. Bike was not kicked over, seat not slashed no mirror breakage, etc. I filed a report with the Alexandria police (case # 97-016216). Now I get to see what this will cost to fix and whether or not I file with my insurance. I just had to vent somewhere and DC-cycles is the place. Thanks for listening. Later, Chris (please take my car and leave the bike) Meier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:03:45 1997 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 09:02:02 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" , "Griff, David" Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be very carefull most times they do come back. This happend to my buddy, they tried 3 times before they got it. If the ignition is busted there half way there. Make the bike unstartable pull fuses, battery, coils what ever. Lock the hell out of it. A quick storie about the crooks we hate and how dumb they are. As I said they stole my buddy's bike in South Carolina (no helmet law) and rode it to Alabama(helmet law) can you guess why they pulled the dumb ass over? The good part is he stopped and my friend has his bike back. The bad part is they crashed it on both sides at some point. The courts are trying to get him money to fix it but it has been almost a year. He will get the money but it will take awhile. All this for a 10 year old CBR 600. Any bike is a target. There are two types of riders those who have had a bike stolen and those who will. Jay Goddard 94 ZX9R 92 VFR 91 FZR 600 (stolen at the Pentagon) Meier, Christopher wrote: > All., > > I came out this morning to find that someone had tried to steal my > 1994 > RF900. > > BAD NEWS: > 1. They took a screwdriver to the key/ignition switch and destroyed > that. I cannot get the key into it, nor can I get the handlebars > unlocked. > > 2. They cut two wires at the top of the forks leading to the ignition > > switch in an attempt to hot-wire it. > > GOOD NEWS (if there can really be any): > > 1. They did NOT get frustrated at the fact that they could not steal > the bike and damage it. Bike was not kicked over, seat not slashed no > > mirror breakage, etc. > > I filed a report with the Alexandria police (case # 97-016216). Now I > > get to see what this will cost to fix and whether or not I file with > my > insurance. > > I just had to vent somewhere and DC-cycles is the place. Thanks for > listening. > > Later, > Chris (please take my car and leave the bike) Meier > --------------------------------------------------- > -------------------- > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------- > ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:36:46 1997 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:36:10 -0400 From: skip@XXXXXX (Skip Farmer) In-Reply-To: "Meier, Christopher" "RE: Sat morning ride" (Aug 29, 9:18am) X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fenwick, DE ride report Cc: "Meier, Christopher" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Ride to Del was great! Thanks to Chris for the route. We hit Severn River bridge right after sunrise and it was beautiful. Not to much traffic on 50 and by the time we turned off of 301 on to 304 there was only an occasional cage. Ridding through that farmland it great. There were two problems we had, both self inflicted. I almost ran out of gas on 287E. I thought I had enough but for some reason my tank seemed to run real short that time (but I found a gas station by cutting up a few miles of 313). Next problem, and not a major one, was that we all missed the turn to Road 56. To busy checking out the scenery. The end of the route is a little different than Chris's. We took 13 to Redden road. From there we took 113 to Roxanna and cut through there to come out onto rt 54. All in all, it was a really great ride. Thanks again Chris for the route. Skip -- ------------------------ Skip Farmer Silicon Graphics Chesapeake Region 12200-G Plum Orchard Dr. Silver Spring, MD 20904 (301) 572-3292 Email: skip@XXXXXX (301) 572-3280 Fax Email Pager: skip_p@XXXXXX 6-238-3292 VoiceMail WWW Address: http://reality.sgi.com/skip_clubfed ------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:44:45 1997 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:44:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list , Honda CBR mailing list , Honda CB-1 mailing list Subject: MD/DC/VA/WV area riders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i'm heading up to summit point raceway (west of charles town, w.v.) this weekend to cornerwork the races (WERA regional sprints); who wants to go up with me? i've done this before: it's a lot of fun, they feed you, and you get in to the races for free. you get right up close to the action. the racers love you (if they've never crashed or been injured, they appreciate that you enable the races to take place; if they have crashed, they appreciate how you keep them from being run over!). cornerwork a few times and you get a discount on the racer school if you want to get your own track license. they never have too many cornerworkers; usually, they need more than show up. they are ready, willing, and able to give on-the-job training to anyone who is interested; you don't have to have worked before or attended the safety school they held in the spring. see http://marrc.nova.org/ for more information; call or write bill powers at 301-791-6167 (email: marrcmem@XXXXXX) if you want to join us this weekend. i'll probably be going up on the CB-1 saturday and the CBR sunday. i hope to meet a lot of you up there. -D- Cynthia Alice DiPaula was born 9 June 1997, 3:36 p.m., 7 lb. 10 oz., 20.5" "Damage jackals ripping right through you: sight and smell of this it, gets me going." -JH My 1988 Mazda MX-6 is for sale, email me if interested. My 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) is for sale, email me if interested, or read my CB-1 description From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:50:10 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: paintball ride Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:22:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT Yeah, And how accurate is he while firing and doing a wheelie at speed? :-) Horkster ---------- From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX[SMTP:KLThomas77@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 1997 3:15 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: paintball ride In a message dated 97-08-30 10:06:53 EDT, you write: << Brian McCoy (Wyoming Jr. rifle champion, 90,91,92,93 - U.S. Jr. Olympic training team summers of 91,92 - ranked 3rd nationally in air rifle in 93.. yadda, yadda.. ) and Motorcycle rider.. :P >> Yeah, but what have you done lately? Showoff! ;-) Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:58:53 1997 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Ron Major X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e FYI: For anyone following the IBR this round...some sad news. Todd Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 01:42:06 -0400 To: George Brown From: "Robert E. Higdon" Subject: Ron Major Cc: st1100@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199709020537.VAA07906@ptialaska.net> Sender: owner-st1100@XXXXXX >Any word on Ron Majors? We just found out ten minutes ago --- I write this at 1:40 a.m. PDT --- that Ron's body was found 1/4 mile behind his bike on I-8 near Yuma. It was off the road. Helicopters spotted him. We don't know what happened --- fell asleep, heart attack, etc. We do know that we're sick to our stomachs. I'll cc: your list, but I'd advise your reposting this just to make sure it goes through. I'm doing this from a motel on an uncertain phone line and shaky modem. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 12:39:41 1997 From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Meier, Christopher" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:36:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I came out this morning to find that someone had tried to steal my 1994 > RF900. A $200 Scorpio alarm may have prevented any damage, and would have prevented hot-wiring entirely. Actually, even if would-be thieves had the KEY, they couldn't start the bike if the alarm is activated. I'll be interested to see if the repair to your bike cost more or less than the cost of an alarm. Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so nothing can protect against that, including chains and disc locks. Berg/ZX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 12:47:10 1997 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 12:46:29 -0400 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ban On Smoking. That was me on the katana, the guys name was Gary, he seemed to have been riding for a while, but *was* testing the limits of that Maxim, and it has a drum brake on the rear.... so all in all he could have been hot roding a little. I thought the low side was a decent reminder for him to be a bit more careful. I took to calling him squirrelly for the rest of the day : ) thanks for a great ride and it was great to meet everyone. Sandy 87 Hurricane 600 85 Virago 1000 >>> Gil M. Nissley 09/01 9:36 AM >>> BTW,anybody know that guy with the Maxim(or know the girl on the red Katana he came with)?From the way he was riding(the crash,almost rear- ending me)I got the impression he's not used to either the power or the shaft drive on that bike.His last bike was an iron-head Sportster(60's era)and I think he said he had been off a bike for awhile before recently getting the Yamaha.We need to get him to an MSF course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:03:30 1997 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:01:43 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bergie Frazier Jr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We could argue the pros and cons of alarms but the bike I just bought had an alarm that I reinstalled and removed in 5 minutes. If the crook can get under the seat they can disable anything armed or not. I had to buy a new ignition for my FZR it cost $75 bucks and I put it in in 15 minutes. For security on my ZX9R I have a few hidden kill switches,a fake flashing light and a Krypto 6ft NY chain. If you can get throught the chain or whatever I chained it to you still have to find all the switches and put them in the right order and if you do that I have one last thing...theft insurance. Has anyone heard about a crook defeating the krypto disk lock? If you know how it was done please Email me privately, don't post it to the list, you never know who might be reading. Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > > I came out this morning to find that someone had tried to steal my > 1994 > > RF900. > > A $200 Scorpio alarm may have prevented any damage, > and would have prevented hot-wiring entirely. Actually, > even if would-be thieves had the KEY, they couldn't start > the bike if the alarm is activated. > > I'll be interested to see if the repair to your bike cost more > or less than the cost of an alarm. > > Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, > the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to > pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so > nothing can protect against that, including chains and > disc locks. > > Berg/ZX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:05:15 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:59:24 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: paintball ride To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part << Brian McCoy (Wyoming Jr. rifle champion, 90,91,92,93 - U.S. Jr. Olympic training team summers of 91,92 - ranked 3rd nationally in air rifle in 93.. yadda, yadda.. ) and Motorcycle rider.. :P >> >Yeah, but what have you done lately? Showoff! ;-) Hah! Shooting pieces of paper is easy. Has he shot at anything that shoots back? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:17:59 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: Attempted MC theft Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:15:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT No, if you have info please post to all the list. If the krypto lock can be defeated, I want to know it, so I don't go out and buy it. Horkster ---------- Jay wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:23:18 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, Loupil@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, philipa@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, saturnsr1@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, dotis@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, bsajim@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, engine14@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, jrduffy@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, larry_wilson@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mjhayes@XXXXXX, mducey@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, spak@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, wjm1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:23:58 -0400 Subject: Rawlings Dirt Drags report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >hope you had a good ride this weekend. our Sunday ride was good. Yes Todd and I had a great time representing the CAMS at the Rawlings Dirt Drags. We took a nice scenic route up to the track on Saturday morning and got there about 2:00 pm. We set up camp with several friends of mine that were already up there, and then Todd went out to get some beer and ice, the first of several mood altering fluids. Then everybody except me proceeded to get completely smashed. The races started at about 6:30 pm and they kept going, and going, and going, and going until the following morning when they concluded at 4:30 am. They really know how to have fun out in the country. During this period Todd finished his beer, then continued with the rum and coke that he brought with him. Then he got aquatinted with a good old boy from Morgantown West Va., also named Todd, nicknamed "Otis" from Otis on The Andy Griffith Show (a nickname he was quite proud of by the way). The two Todds know how to party hearty. 8-) My other friends and Todd all went to bed by about 3:00 am and I stayed up watching the races until about 4:00 am when I finally turned in. I got a total of 3 to 4 hours of non sleep before getting up again at about 8:00 am. We had breakfast and Todd decided to go ahead and ride back that morning. The rest of us waited around for the field events that they have before starting the second day of racing. They have a wheelie contest, a slow race, a pony express race, an egg toss and finally a foot drag race. If you don't know what a pony express race is, it's as follows: You get a partner to wait at the half way point on the track. Then you race down to your partner, the partner attempts to jump on the back of your bike, and then you finish the race with your partner holding on for dear life. Very fun to watch! After the field events we too decided to head on home before the second day of races started. We left about 3:00 pm and got home a little after 6:00. I was so tired, I couldn't keep my eyes open for the Redskins game and went to bed before 9:00 pm. All in all I would rate the weekend a definite 10! We should try to make this a CAMS outing next year. They have the camping weekends during Memorial day and Labor day weekends. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:24:19 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:20:54 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:21:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1409IZT2VO7G X400-MTS-identifier: [;45023120907991/1928358@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Has anyone heard about a crook defeating the krypto disk lock? If you >know how it was done please Email me privately, don't post it to the >list, you never know who might be reading. For what it's worth, theives already know what works (including defeating a disk lock). I know I've seen a magazine that went through defeating each of the major types of theft deterrent. They defeated all of them (and told how and how fast). Time was the deciding factor in which deterrent was more effective. If it takes a thief longer to steal you bike he'll look for easier prey. Using some kind of heavy duty device to attach the bike to some immovable object was considered the best (like those mega cables and an anchor in concrete). I'll attempt to look through my magazines for the specific article... Other stuff: keep your bike out of sight if you can (duh), put your lock on the rear wheel (requires more effort to move the bike around), having an ugly or worthless bike keeps the "professional" thief away (duh), yada yada. One of the brit mags had some security stuff and included plans for a bomb as part of the theft deterrent program... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:24:42 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:25:47 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Attempted MC theft Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part _______________________________________________________________________________ Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so nothing can protect against that, including chains and disc locks. Berg/ZX Hah! (A) Chain the bike to something big and immobile, like a pole or a bike stand or a storm drain. (b) Run 440 volts to the bike-this really worked once, a melted screwdriver was found nearby, somewhat discolored. (c) Two words, claymore mines. (d) maybe we shopuld approach this like hunting. 1) Set out some really good bait in a prime location a) Like a Duc down near a hi-crime area 2) watch from concealment 3) when they prey comes to the bait, insert steel jacketed high velocity boot. 4) register game at nearest police station Dave (Maybe this is too liberal, I dunno) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:27:38 1997 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft In-Reply-To: <199709021638.MAA05944@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, > the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to > pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so > nothing can protect against that, including chains and > disc locks. The next time that you're in Riders Accessory Warehouse, ask Art to show you his scheme for preventing this kind of theft. It basically involves pouring some concrete with a buried I-beam. Maybe it's excessive but it will stop the above and it is amusing. -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:35:44 1997 X-ROUTED: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:30:24 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:03:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so nothing can protect against that, including chains and disc locks. Well I usually take the precaution of locking my bike to my truck which has an alarm and if the want the bike that bad they have to take the truck too, unless they have the time for hacking through the gorilla lock that is attached to the truck. So more than likely the would be thieves will go to another easier bike that has none of these. But I am looking into an alarm for the bike too when I leave it in the parking lot when I go somewhere. Ck Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:54:47 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 13:55:54 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" To: Subject: Re[2]: Attempted MC theft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another good way to keep thieves away is to make your bike look unattractive. I spilled some paint all over my bike cover. This makes it look like a raggedy old bike. It's not even worth a second look. Hide the disc lock or the Krypto cable lock out of site. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 14:07:11 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 13:58:38 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[3]: paintball ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> Hah! Shooting pieces of paper is easy. Has he shot at anything that shoots back? Dave <<<< Only friends - bb/pellet gun wars out in Wyoming.. summer fun (then again, getting a rump full of rock-salt out of a shotgun while attempting to steal watermelons wasn't fun) I've also participated in paintball wars (college dorm in Jan.) before too.. glad I didn't live there, it was a MESS!! Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 15:48:45 1997 From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:47:25 -0400 (EDT) To: mehran.firouzbakht@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attempted MC theft I'll hurry home and shit on my new bike. If you have to make your moto look like doo-doo, then what's the point of having it? Get a garage. Or rent a locked storage space. (Actually, the cover idea is pretty tricky.) Sorry about the bike. Bike theft definitely should be a capital offense, punishable by hanging, preferably by the nuts. Oh, that's right, thieves don't have any. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 15:54:59 1997 From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:54:11 -0400 (EDT) To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX, goddardj@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft Hey, y'all- Motorcycle Consumer News did a lock test a couple of years ago, and the Emgo won. Krypto was 2nd. All locks can be broken if you know how and have time. I think the Emgo was the only one they couldn't get into quickly and quietly enough to want to steal the bike, if at all. Now that you can get 18 volt cordless saws and abrasive wheel cutters, it's probably time to do the test again. The barrel lock cylinders on Krypto and Emgo and others are almost impossible to open, so they need to cut or break the lock. The best way is to freeze it with Freon. They just spray it on, the lock gets brittle, whack it with a hammer and that's all. A pro thief has tons of ways to get your bike. If he wants it, it's gone, even if it's in your living room. The goal of locks, etc, is to inconvenience street punks and joyriders enough that they'll steal somebody elses bike instead. Nothing will stop a pro. I have a Krypto and an Emgo, but I use the Krypto. It's more convenient. I can hang it from a footpeg bracket. The emgo has to go under the seat or in a bag. If I'm somewhere I'd worry about, I use them both, but normally the bike is in my garage in a nice neighborhood, or parked on UMCP campus in daylight in heavy traffic areas. The Emgo wouldn't fit the rear rotor on my 92 VFR, and the krypto fits better on the front but when using both I had to put the Krypto in back. Good luck Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 16:10:50 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: Attempted MC theft Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:08:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 25 TEXT Yep, the worse my rain covers for my bikes look, the happier I am. Of course, they are not really rain-proof anymore :-[ Trade-offs, trade-offs. Horkster ---------- From: FakeTree@XXXXXX[SMTP:FakeTree@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 3:47 PM To: mehran.firouzbakht@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attempted MC theft I'll hurry home and shit on my new bike. If you have to make your moto look like doo-doo, then what's the point of having it? Get a garage. Or rent a locked storage space. (Actually, the cover idea is pretty tricky.) Sorry about the bike. Bike theft definitely should be a capital offense, punishable by hanging, preferably by the nuts. Oh, that's right, thieves don't have any. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 16:27:47 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 16:23:30 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't count on a garage saveing you. Someone I know from the VFR list receintally posted something about his house being broken into, and his bike almost stolen (ignition punched out, wife came home and opened garage door).. He now chains his bikes to one another and then to the floor (some kind of burried anchor type idea). Personally, I've had people move my bike (out of legal spots into handicap places), and sit on it... but nothing else. But then again, I have a total purchase investment of $900 - so I don't really care that much. BTW, it rarely gets locked (the garage at home, and the handle-bar lock)... Ride safe.... and keep em safe, Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 18:11:59 1997 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Wet leathers... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Now now, no kinky ideas. ;-) I got caught in the rain, big time, this afternoon. I felt like I could have jumped in the pool to dry off. But now to the purpose of this message, I've been told that getting a leather jacket wet in the rain is a Bad Thing (tm) and should not be done. Well, I didn't really have a choice from where I was. Are there any problems with getting the leathers soaked through (the arms were wet through the leather)? Is there anything I should do to protect the leather now, or just let it dry? I've usually been good at having my rainsuit with me when rain was predicted, but I had to take an unexpected trip out to Tysons, then got stuck in all the traffic. Ugh! Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 23:09:35 1997 X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:09:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft >One of the brit mags had some security stuff and included plans for a bomb >as part of the theft deterrent program... > >Kirk I the article was in PB, and they had several types of pyrotechnic anti-theft devices. The one I liked best was the paint bomb. Next fav was the 12 gauge blank shotgun shell, and finally rounding out last place was the smoke bomb. Of course, if you paint bomb your bike, detailing will take on a whole new meaning. Also not for the absent-minded. If you think driving off with the disk lock on sucks.... Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 23:20:22 1997 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:05:32 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ban On Smoking. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Sandy TRIOLO wrote: > That was me on the katana, the guys name was Gary Mea culpa.I'm terrible with names. > , he seemed to have been riding for a while, but *was* testing the > limits of that Maxim, and it has a drum brake on the rear.... so all in > all he could have been hot roding a little. I thought the low side > was a decent reminder for him to be a bit more careful. I took to calling > him squirrelly for the rest of the day : ) Maybe the blonde hair had just taken effect. ;-) Actually,I've owned a Nighthawk S and ridden my dad's old Magna,so I know how tricky those shafties can be.I got a wake-up call when the back end of a loaner BMW went sideways on me once.Still,considering what he's used to,the little caution should do him good.I also remembered that's he's also USAF,so he will wind up taking the course. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 00:17:08 1997 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:06:58 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Alan Lapp wrote: > I the article was in PB, and they had several types of pyrotechnic > anti-theft devices. The one I liked best was the paint bomb. Next fav was > the 12 gauge blank shotgun shell, and finally rounding out last place was > the smoke bomb. My fav from a Brit mag was the safety cage.It was a big steel cage with a top door(to keep the bike from being lifted out)and it used industrial-strength 'chub' locks that couldn't be accessed easily.It also had mounts on the bottom so it could be bolted to the concrete. I've read a lot of articles on bike theft and I'd like to pass on a few points.First,make damn sure you have theft insurance.If someone really wants your bike,they'll prolly get it.I read an article in _CW_ where a guy had his wife's Goof2 stolen from their garage.The thieves had to break into the locked garage,lift it over his CBR900,and scoot it past their car which was parked in the garage blocking the bikes. Next,don't rely on other people.Parking in a public area doesn't mean someone will stop a thief.The AMA did an article where they parked a Harley at a shopping mall,and then watched as thier own guys repeatedly stole it.Only one person did anything,and all they did was notify mall security after the bike was taken. Finally,use multiple security measures.Unfortunately,the best way to keep your bike is to make it a harder target than someone else's.Sad but true. Of course,you could always get a Buell.Noone wants them. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 07:30:37 1997 From: Robert Johnston To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Wet leathers... Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:31:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Louis, 1. let them dry slowly, don't put'm in the oven, or next to the furnace 2. if they're a dark color get some anhydrous glycerin and alcohol mixed = about 50/50 and wipe a generous amount on the leathers 3. if they're a dark color, once they're near dry, get some mink oil or = neatsfoot oil and rub it into the leather. If you use 2 or 3 on light colored leather, it will darken it and make = the finish blotchy. It will take two or three days to get them = completely dry. Or you could just wear them, however if the leather is = relatively soft or thin, it will stretch. -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 6:11 PM To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Wet leathers... Now now, no kinky ideas. ;-) I got caught in the rain, big time, this afternoon. I felt like I could = have jumped in the pool to dry off. But now to the purpose of this message, I've been told that getting a=20 leather jacket wet in the rain is a Bad Thing (tm) and should not be = done. Well, I didn't really have a choice from where I was. Are there any = problems=20 with getting the leathers soaked through (the arms were wet through the=20 leather)? Is there anything I should do to protect the leather now, or just let it dry? I've usually been good at having my rainsuit with me when rain was = predicted, but I had to take an unexpected trip out to Tysons, then got stuck in = all the traffic. Ugh! Louis -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX=20 Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC=20 DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is = boring. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 09:04:08 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:03:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB should be 1% now! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:51 AM 9/1/97 +0000, bonez@XXXXXX wrote: > Chris once again I see that we >have come from 2 VERY different backgrounds. ( by the way it was a >one percenter that taught me about the 2 kinds of riders... not to >get that thread going again). In spite of your usual showing of >intelligence (even if I don't agree with it!) this time you've really >stepped in it. My guess is the only 1%ers you've ever met has been on >TV or when you've arrested them. (not a good way to meet people, it >gives both of you a bad impression of the other.) No, I've never been on TV, and no, I've never arrested anyone. I watch little TV or movies ... they're mostly fiction. >Anyway even though these guy's often look mean and nasty, often they >have had the same bad breaks that you usally see in a guy on a heater >grate downtown but they had a different reaction, to take care of >themselves and those who they are responsible to and for. Their >method's may not be very forgiving of the rest of the world but they >think of it as giving back what they get. Well, I guess that's how they interpret the idea that you treat other people as you want to be treated yourself. >In most cases I would trust >any of them more then the average citizen. Friend or enemy you know >where you stand with them. That's better then you can say for most of those >making (/enforcing?) the laws in our country!! You can do whatever you want to do. I try not to let any stereotypes cloud my thinking. I do, however, read the message that the person sends by the way they dress, the way they talk, the way they act, and the way they treat other people. Those can be very interesting messages. >As far as the other post about the pagan's I have never met a pagan >but any of the 1%ers I ahve met ( HA, Outlaw's, Banditos, ....) all >have never said anything good about them as a group. bottom of the >barrell (Chris's 1%) That's not MY "1%", that's what people call people who choose to portray themselves in a particular manner. Even you said it was an old description the AMA used. Hey, it's a free country, you can dress and act and talk as you want, but there may be people watching and listening. As they say, be careful what you wish for. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 10:38:11 1997 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:37:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Teitel To: Squeakers cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a fall paintball ride? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970830094222.2fef0650@pop.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Organize it and they will come. Count me in! Jeff ============================================================================ Keep the Rubber Side Down jteitel@XXXXXX '92 Seca II DoD#1365 "Out of the ethernet, through the switch, down the fiber, across the router, past the firewall, over the T-1... nothing but 'Net." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:01:05 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:34:26 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Wet leathers... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I use the HG-1 and and the HG-2 on the leathers when they get wet, (after they are dry again) I have been soaked a time or two, the leather is still fine. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Wet leathers... From: "Louis F. Caplan" at ddn Date: 2/9/1997 6:11 PM Now now, no kinky ideas. ;-) I got caught in the rain, big time, this afternoon. I felt like I could have jumped in the pool to dry off. But now to the purpose of this message, I've been told that getting a leather jacket wet in the rain is a Bad Thing (tm) and should not be done. Well, I didn't really have a choice from where I was. Are there any problems with getting the leathers soaked through (the arms were wet through the leather)? Is there anything I should do to protect the leather now, or just let it dry? I've usually been good at having my rainsuit with me when rain was predicted, but I had to take an unexpected trip out to Tysons, then got stuck in all the traffic. Ugh! Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:15:11 1997 X-Sender: awillard@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:11:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Willard unsubscribe dc-cycles ---------------------------- Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. Alan Willard FedWorld Systems 703.487.4850 x3710 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:15:26 1997 X-Sender: awillard@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:11:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Willard subscribe dc-cycles ---------------------------- Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. Alan Willard FedWorld Systems 703.487.4850 x3710 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:41:09 1997 From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:38:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT At 11:11 am, Alan Willard did a dumb thing ---------- From: Alan Willard[SMTP:awillard@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 11:11 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX subscribe dc-cycles ---------------------------- Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. Alan Willard FedWorld Systems 703.487.4850 x3710 Less than one minute Later, Alan did another dumb thing. ---------- From: Alan Willard[SMTP:awillard@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 11:11 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX unsubscribe dc-cycles ---------------------------- Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. Alan Willard FedWorld Systems 703.487.4850 x3710 This, Ladies and Gentleman, could be the new record for signing on and off the DC Cycles list, HAD ALAN ACTUALLY SENT THESE REQUESTS TO THE ADMINISTRATOR at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX RATHER THAN TOO THE WHOLE LIST!!! Sorry Alan, just had to vent. We seem to be getting lots of these subscribe/unsubscribe messages posted to the list lately. I'll still wave to you. Rubber side down. Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:59:46 1997 X-Sender: awillard@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:55:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Willard Subject: TO THE ADMINISTRATOR TO THE ADMINISTRATOR: unsubscribe dc-cycles I'm gone adios... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 12:25:49 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: TO THE ADMINISTRATOR Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:23:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT What a dork. He just doesn't get it. Horkster ---------- From: Alan Willard[SMTP:awillard@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 11:55 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: TO THE ADMINISTRATOR TO THE ADMINISTRATOR: unsubscribe dc-cycles I'm gone adios... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 12:39:19 1997 From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Attempted MC theft Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:38:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > From: Gil M. Nissley[SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Reply To: Gil M. Nissley > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 8:06 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft > > Of course,you could always get a Buell.Noone wants them. :-P > > > You'll be amazed at what they steal. I once had an old CB750 parked in a garage pressed up against the wall. A car, Jaguar, was parked right up against it. The "super thief" had managed to steal the center stand. Bearing in mind that a Jaguar is too low to crawl under, it was wide enough to leave no room on either side of the garage to lift it by a jack, and there was no access from the top I still havn't figured out how "they" did it to this day. I know the car was not moved. Hudini? ...and all this for a center stand? Amit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 12:54:53 1997 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:48:16 -0700 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: New Speed Limit on I81 in WV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a fyi, the speed limit on I81 in WV has now been raised to 70 mph, perhaps a little more in line with the speeds people go on that road anyway, now if only Va,Md, and Pa would respond in kind. HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 14:43:04 1997 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 13:48:31 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: New Speed Limit on I81 in WV X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it was 65 mph before, that will make your stay in West Virginia 1 minute 43 seconds shorter. Every little bit helps. Ken Shephard wrote: > Just a fyi, the speed limit on I81 in WV has now been raised to 70 > mph, > perhaps a little more in line with the speeds people go on that road > anyway, now if only Va,Md, and Pa would respond in kind. > > HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 4 08:58:43 1997 From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:57:47 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe Barbelle14@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 4 09:52:15 1997 From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:51:30 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike alarms Jon had an alarm on his Ninja - it still disappeared without a trace out of a very nice neighborhood (His old one - don't panic, guys) in Fairfax - about 2.5 years ago. Now we have a GARAGE! Hopefully this will work better.... Sharon in Arizona! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 4 10:43:40 1997 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "'Loupil'" , "Akers, Philip" , annie mundy , baldwin2 , baretta , Berri Reminick , Biker413@XXXXXX, "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Maggs , Bill Schmidt , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , botcher2 , "'Bryan T. Douglas'" , BWEINER , chris kleponis , chris norloff , Clark Dorman , "Jones, William COL - G3" , "Collin T. Fagan" , conteh , curtis hintze , dale coyner , Daniel Dutch , Dark Hacker , Dave Nunn , dave otis , Dave Strout , "'david silver'" , "Mantei, Debra, SFC, OSD/C3I +" , "'dennis hughs'" , Doug Bellomo , "'drew cooper'" , Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, erica rosen , frank supik , gcraddoc , HDWarp80 , herb manell , hugh maher , jae , james w carr , jckozyn@XXXXXX, Jeff Poretsky , "'Jeffrey Berkin'" , jimb , jimi , Joe Snider , john claman , john schaaf , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , jrduffy@XXXXXX, judy soukup , Ken Bour , larry wilson , linda tanner , louis betancourt , louis caplan , mackinto , Mark Elledge , Matt Elliott - DIGEX , "'matt farina'" , matt hayes , Matthew Ducey , Michael Dow , "'Mike Lee'" , Morris Berman , mxc11@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, "Paul A. Douglas" , "Paul W. Wisneskey" , pdenno , "Perry D. Coleman" , peter soukup , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, Robert M Darden , sae pak , scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , Stephan Lee , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, "sbeck@XXXXXX" , steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "Osidach, Vera Z." , "w.r. ohara" , "McLoone, William J." , dc-cycles Subject: Ron Major X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e For those that have any interest in the latest news concerning the death of Iron Butt Rally contestant Ron Major, read Bob Higdons 8th day write-up at: http://208.197.89.67/97ibr16.html Out of respect to the IBR copyrights and Bobs property, I did not just cut and paste. Speculation of the circumstances have been somewhat reserved due to the lack of evidence. Some main points to consider though are that Rons body was found beyond a guard rail for more than the width of a single interstate lane, and 1/4 mile from his bike. His bike was found 1/4 mile downstream propped against the rail and missing the key. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 4 17:44:13 1997 From: To: Subject: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:41:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 58 TEXT For your enjoyment.... Horkster >>> A BILL TO REGULATE THE HUNTING AND HARVESTING OF ATTORNEYS >>> >>> 372.01 - Any person with a valid California state rodent or deer hunting license may also hunt and harvest attorneys for recreational and sporting (non-commercial) purposes. >>> >>> 372.02 - Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. The use of United States currency as bait is, however, prohibited. >>> 372.03 - The willful killing of attorneys with a motor vehicle is prohibited, unless such vehicle is an ambulance being driven in reverse. If an attorney is accidentally struck by a motor vehicle, the dead attorney should be removed to the roadside and the vehicle should proceed to the nearest car wash. >>> >>> 372.04 - It is unlawful to chase, herd, or harvest attorneys from a power boat, helicopter, or fixed-wing aircraft. >>> >>> 372.05 - It is unlawful to shout "Whiplash!", "Ambulance!"' or "Free Scotch!" for the purpose of trapping attorneys. >>> >>> 372.06 - It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within one hundred (100) yards of BMW, Porsche, or Mercedes dealerships, except on Wednesday afternoons. >>> >>> 372.07 - It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within two hundred (200) yards of courtrooms, law libraries, health clubs, country clubs, or hospitals. No fair, that's their stompin' grounds! >>> >>> 372.08 - If an attorney gains elective office, it is not necessary to have a license to hunt, trap, or possess same. >>> >>> 372.09 - It is unlawful for a hunter to wear a disguise as a reporter, accident victim, physician, chiropractor or tax accountant for the purpose of hunting attorneys. >>> >>> 372.10 - Bag Limits Per Day: >>> >>> Yellow Bellied Sidewinder: 2 >>> Two-Faced Tortfeasors: 1 >>> Back-Stabbing Divorce Litigators: 3 >>> Horn Rimmed Cut-Throats: 2 >>> Honest Attorneys: PROTECTED (ENDANGERED SPECIES) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 01:02:05 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:00:40 -0400 From: Pete X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbr@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list , Honda CB-1 mailing list Subject: Re: [CBR] MD/DC/VA/WV area riders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donald DiPaula wrote: > i'm heading up to summit point raceway (west of charles town, w.v.) this > weekend to cornerwork the races (WERA regional sprints); who wants to go up > with me? In my case its down (Pittsburgh) , and I'll probably be caging it . However , barring the the ever dredded pager goinng off , I hope to meet any listers there around 7am sat. morning . Enjoy the ride enough for me (sniff sniff) the poor idiot who became a slave to a pager . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 10:46:53 1997 From: To: Subject: Sharon has gone west: was FW: AZ conditions Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:43:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT Just a note from one of our own, Sharon, known to the list as Barbelle14@XXXXXX. She and her SO have happily relocated to the beatiful riding countryside in Arizona. Sigh. Maybe I'll get out there someday... Horkster ---------- From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX[SMTP:Barbelle14@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 05, 1997 10:11 AM To: Horstman, Dale R @ MAN Subject: AZ conditions Dale - Thanks - just sent it off. There are TONS of bikes out here - so many, in fact, that bikers don't notice or wave to each other. Jon waved at one and got a finger back! :-( The only riding group we've found so far is sponsored by a dealership, and they charge for membership. That's the bad news - good news is that there's a biker two doors down we haven't had a chance to talk to, and Jon met a buddy with the same Ninja. They've been out a little together. Roads are flat, WIDE, and straight, in town. Drivers are sane. It's almost a shock after the Beltway, :-) North of town, of course, are the twisties through the mountains - unbeliveably beautiful. We're going on a LOOOOOOOng ride tomorrow - can't wait. Feel free to forward this to the group if you think anyone cares! Thanks again! We miss all you guys already! Sharon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 12:35:29 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:35:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale: Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by this type of scapegoat "humor." The fact is that no lawyer acts against his client's wishes in deciding to sue someone. I agree we're an over-litigious society, but the blame for that rightly rests with the people who choose to sue, not the lawyers who serve them. I know it's easy to make disparaging remarks about what is, at least to me, an honorable and honest profession. Lawyers are considered, by some (and certainly by your message), as "fair game." Please consider that it's equally easy for the general public to scapegoat motorcyclists as a bunch of lawless jerks. To continue this type of prejudicial stereotyping for your own or others amusement should not be done without at least the conscious knowledge that your "humor" is being done at somebody else's expense. I am protesting this in the same manner I would protest someone on any cage list posting a "humor" message about hunting motorcyclists. It may seem harmless to you, but both types of messages contribute to a continued and unjustified erosion of the public image of both motorcyclists and lawyers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 12:44:08 1997 From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'bandit-talk@XXXXXX'" , "'suzuki-l@XXXXXX'" Subject: Interesting Web Site Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:44:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found the web site of a company that I visited about a year ago in NJ, and thought they had some interesting products. They import Japanese bikes directly from Japan. i.e. NSR250's, CBR250RR's, Bandit 400 v (Non-faired). There are some nice people working for them & if you are looking for a different bike this would be *the* place to find it. http://www.bikelife.com/ --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 13:19:07 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:19:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) In-Reply-To: <341034E4.150C@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by this type >of scapegoat "humor." The fact is that no lawyer acts against his >client's wishes in deciding to sue someone. I agree we're an >over-litigious society, but the blame for that rightly rests with the >people who choose to sue, not the lawyers who serve them. It takes two to tango -- a whining plaintiff and an opportunistic lawyer. Lawyers (or attorneys, as we like to call them when we praise them) are basically good or bad depending on whether they're helping you or not. I like civil liberties lawyers, many consumer rights lawyers, and lawyers like the ones who broke the famous Ford Pinto "it's-cheaper-to-kill-our-customers-than-to-fix-the-car" problem. I hate lawyers like the ones working for tobacco companies, who use their attorney-client priviledge to conceal evidence that tobacco companies were knowingly killing their customers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 13:43:36 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:35:48 -0400 Tony wrote: >Dale: > > Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by this type >of scapegoat "humor." The fact is that no lawyer acts against his >client's wishes in deciding to sue someone. I agree we're an >over-litigious society, but the blame for that rightly rests with the >people who choose to sue, not the lawyers who serve them. > I know it's easy to make disparaging remarks about what is, at least to >me, an honorable and honest profession. Lawyers are considered, by some >(and certainly by your message), as "fair game." Please consider that >it's equally easy for the general public to scapegoat motorcyclists as a >bunch of lawless jerks. To continue this type of prejudicial >stereotyping for your own or others amusement should not be done without >at least the conscious knowledge that your "humor" is being done at >somebody else's expense. > I am protesting this in the same manner I would protest someone on any >cage list posting a "humor" message about hunting motorcyclists. It may >seem harmless to you, but both types of messages contribute to a >continued and unjustified erosion of the public image of both >motorcyclists and lawyers. Man-o-Man is this flame bait. I'll try and be gentle with the torch. Your general premise seems to be that lawyers take no part in a potential clients decision process to sue. The assertion that no lawyer acts against his client's wishes in deciding to sue someone is just too general. It is gratuitous, and therefore may be gratuitously denied. Consider it done. I think it would be clearer to say that a lawyer acts in his own behalf by agreeing to sue someone on the behalf of his client. After all, the client is the bread and butter. Some of those late night adds for "you gotta phone, you gotta lawyer" seem geared to sway the decision process, don't they? I agree with you that the law profession at one time used to be "an honorable and honest profession" - generally. These days though, there are just too many two bit lawyers just twitching to make a name for themselves at anothers detriment. Johnny Cochran, and his 'dream team' comes to mind. Any politition will do. The problem is our system. We need tort reform. Make the law such that if you bring suit against me and lose, you pay all costs I've incurred to defend myself and you pay the court fees. But that would put alot of lawyers out of business, so do you think they are interested in changing the system? 70% of the worlds lawyers (a majority in the U.S.) are in the right market to 'ka-ching'- cash in. But of these, I would argue that there is a minority that really would like to see tort reform occur meeting opposition all over the system. As for the analogy to scapegoat motorcyclists...oh well. Most humor is at anothers expense, which at times is too bad. Deal with it. I personnaly don't feel threatened by someone making jokes about motorcyclists being "fair game" (probably because I already feel like "fair game" on the road). However, if I really believed that someone were not joking, then it would be time to document and let the local authority know about it. And if that didn't work, I'd sue 'em ;-) Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:02:46 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:59:34 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <341034E4.150C@ix.netcom.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 125fYs00001Of ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ...funny..since I know several lawyers that think the reason their profession has such bad publicity is because THEY caused it themselves and have no one to blame BUT themselves...some of the best lawyer jokes I've heard was from lawyers themselves... ..there are alot of good lawyers out there no doubt, however there are also alot of lawyers out there that care more for the bottom dollar than their clients interest...(this incidently was quoted right from a corporate lawyer friend of mine). either way...comparing a motorcyclist to a lawyer is ridiculous, one takes a few hours of instruction (formal or informal) to get a license (that motorcyclists btw), and the other requires years of formal education followed by a certification process to obtain their "license"...just about any lawyer can ride a motorcycle however not every motorcyclist is a lawyer.. anyway..I digress...let's just drop it and take the humor for what it was..humor...and lighten up for gods sake... cheers, -aki > Dale: > > Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by this type > of scapegoat "humor." The fact is that no lawyer acts against his > client's wishes in deciding to sue someone. I agree we're an > over-litigious society, but the blame for that rightly rests with the > people who choose to sue, not the lawyers who serve them. > > I know it's easy to make disparaging remarks about what is, at least to > me, an honorable and honest profession. Lawyers are considered, by some > (and certainly by your message), as "fair game." Please consider that > it's equally easy for the general public to scapegoat motorcyclists as a > bunch of lawless jerks. To continue this type of prejudicial > stereotyping for your own or others amusement should not be done without > at least the conscious knowledge that your "humor" is being done at > somebody else's expense. > > I am protesting this in the same manner I would protest someone on any > cage list posting a "humor" message about hunting motorcyclists. 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The people who choose to sue are the ones that developed this over-litigious society. The politicians, judges, lawyers and law enforcement agencies had nothing to do with the creation of this system. They all just sat back and let the general public set it up the way they saw fit. >I know it's easy to make disparaging remarks about what is, at least >to me, an honorable and honest profession. Lawyers are considered, >by some >(and certainly by your message), as "fair game." Please consider that >it's equally easy for the general public to scapegoat motorcyclists as a >bunch of lawless jerks. To continue this type of prejudicial >stereotyping for your own or others amusement should not be done without >at least the conscious knowledge that your "humor" is being done at >somebody else's expense. A lot of humor is done at somebody else's expense. IT'S WHAT MAKES IT FUNNY!!! >I am protesting this in the same manner I would protest someone on >any cage list posting a "humor" message about hunting motorcyclists. >It may >seem harmless to you, but both types of messages contribute to a >continued and unjustified erosion of the public image of both >motorcyclists and lawyers. If you can't laugh at yourself, why don't you just stay home, turn your computer off, turn your televisions and radios off, have your phone disconnected and insulate yourself from the rest of the world while the rest of us continue on and laugh at whatever we like. Does anyone have any more lawyer jokes they would like to share? I would love to hear them. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:38:11 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e <> lighten up for gods sake... cheers, -aki My sentiments exactly! The world has gotten a lot heavier with political correctness and over-sensitivity. Lighten up everyone! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:41:19 1997 From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:40:37 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: mailing list list? Hey, y'all- Anybody have the address of the web page with the list of all mc-related mailing lists like this one? Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:50:30 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:54:10 -0400 Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >just about any lawyer can ride a >motorcycle however not every motorcyclist is a lawyer.. I doubt that just about any lawyer could ride a motorcycle. There just aren't enough public safety warning labels pasted on the bike to make them comfortable enough to throw their leg over the seat. And don't you know that it's the general public who go around suing everyone that are responsible for the creation of those labels, not the corporate lawyer's that the motorcycle manufacturers keep on staff. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:54:35 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:53:26 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: mailing list list? To: KLThomas77 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1416IZW37KNR X400-MTS-identifier: [;62354150907991/1937974@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Anybody have the address of the web page with the list of all >mc-related mailing lists like this one? How about: http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/lists.html There ya go, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:57:31 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:57:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "M.P. Tolocka" Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) > > And if that didn't work, I'd sue 'em ;-) > Bravo! Michael P. Tolocka 1990 CeeBeeOne AMA#608333 _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:59:35 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:58:50 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (now it's moto-related) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I ought not tell the one Dad used to suggest for entertainment at Sturgis (I'm originally from South Dakota). But I will anyway. If they fence a few hundred thousand acres in western South Dakota, they could have folks pay a deposit for a shotgun, and enter the fenced in area with only the shotgun and their own motorcycle. At the end of a period of time, folks would be allowed to leave the fenced in area and get a return on their deposit for each shotgun they turned in. Any additional motorcycles they bring out, they would be allowed to keep. This should be done before the actual rally at Sturgis, that way they would have some good stories to tell, and the rally wouldn't be quite so crowded. It's a joke, neither this bill nor the lawyer one has any chance at passing. The same people who insist we wear helmets will insist that these bills will be too expensive because they feel obligated to provide medical care for injured motorcyclists and lawyers. Leon. Todd B Peer wrote: > On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:35:48 -0400 Tony wrote: > >Dale: > > > > Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by > this type > >of scapegoat "humor." > As for the analogy to scapegoat motorcyclists...oh well. Most > humor is at anothers expense, which at times is too bad. Deal > with > it. I personnaly don't feel threatened by someone making jokes > about > motorcyclists being "fair game" (probably because I already feel > like > "fair game" on the road). However, if I really believed that > someone > were not joking, then it would be time to document and let the > local > authority know about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:08:45 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mailing list list? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Try: http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ Todd From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:40:37 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: mailing list list? Hey, y'all- Anybody have the address of the web page with the list of all mc-related mailing lists like this one? Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:09:07 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 15:11:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) In-Reply-To: <85256509.00670ED6.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 9/5/97 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > >>just about any lawyer can ride a >>motorcycle however not every motorcyclist is a lawyer.. > >I doubt that just about any lawyer could ride a motorcycle. There just >aren't enough public safety warning labels pasted on the bike to make >them comfortable enough to throw their leg over the seat. How about lawyer Jay Block, former MSF-certified instructor in Maryland, who defends motorcyclists hit by Brain Dead Cagers? How about lawyer Thomas McGrath, who lead the Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists and their fight to get motorcycles into HOV lanes in Virginia? And now he's leading a fight against establishments who discriminate against customers clothes (like "biker gear"). As with most things, there are multiple parts to consider. Yes, there are lawyer-scum who will take any case to win it, whether or not it's moral or ethical. And there's a lot of lawyers who fight those lawyer-scum, who fight the whining plaintiffs who blame others for their own mistakes, and who fight the greedy corporations who care more for their customers' money than for their customers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:09:28 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:05:14 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Cc: "Aki.Damme" To: sbeck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256509.00670ED6.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 125h3l00003rv ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ..hmmm..come to think of it I *don't* know a single lawyer that rides a motorcycle...so I recind my last statement! ;-) cheers, -aki > X-Lotus-Fromdomain: ISI > > > >just about any lawyer can ride a > >motorcycle however not every motorcyclist is a lawyer.. > > I doubt that just about any lawyer could ride a motorcycle. There just > aren't enough public safety warning labels pasted on the bike to make > them comfortable enough to throw their leg over the seat. > > And don't you know that it's the general public who go around suing > everyone that are responsible for the creation of those labels, not the > corporate lawyer's that the motorcycle manufacturers keep on staff. > > Steve Beck > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:10:04 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:07:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT, 41 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Does anyone have any more lawyer jokes they would like to share? I would love to hear them.< Dateline: Washington, D.C. A group of terrorists have taken over the Willard Hotel where the American Bar Association is hosting a conference. 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I would > love to hear them.< ------------------------------------------------------------------- A fellow walks into a bar with a ten-inch, scowling man on his shoulder. He orders a drink. The little man jumps off the shoulder, drinks a third of the drink and climbs back up. The fellow then orders a sandwich. The little man likewise devours a third of the sandwich. After this goes on for two more drinks, the bartender says, "Hey buddy, I don't usually pry into customers' private affairs, but what the heck is it with that little guy?" The customer replies, "Well, I found a bottle on the beach. When I uncorked it, out popped a genie. He gave me one wish. I asked for a 10-inch prick, and the genie shrunk my lawyer!" --------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:48:53 1997 From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [CBR] MD/DC/VA/WV area riders Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:41:59 -0400 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 34 TEXT Alright, you Va riders. Who's going to Summit Point and when??? Let's meet up somewhere. I don't think I'm going to work any, so I'm not going to be riding at the crack o dawn. Anyone else??? Let's get organized. (it's contrary to my nature, too). LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze wanting to see the real squidly folks on a real track -----Original Message----- From: Pete [SMTP:petec@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 05, 1997 1:01 AM To: cbr@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX; DC Cycles mailing list; Honda CB-1 mailing list Subject: Re: [CBR] MD/DC/VA/WV area riders Donald DiPaula wrote: > i'm heading up to summit point raceway (west of charles town, w.v.) this > weekend to cornerwork the races (WERA regional sprints); who wants to go up > with me? In my case its down (Pittsburgh) , and I'll probably be caging it . However , barring the the ever dredded pager goinng off , I hope to meet any listers there around 7am sat. morning . Enjoy the ride enough for me (sniff sniff) the poor idiot who became a slave to a pager . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 16:17:19 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 97 16:11:05 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: MD/DC/VA/WV area riders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright you people that are kinda south of Summit Point... you all might already have a route planned - but if you don't, and you're looking for a relitivly direct route up there.. I would suggest that you find your way to Leesburg, just past Leesburg on Rt7, you'll find a turn off for Rt 9 to Charles Town.. you'll fins yourself rideing through about 1 mile of perfect 50mph (motorcycle speed) corners at Hillsborrow, WV. After you hit Charles Town, it's easy enough... it's the route I always take up when I'm working. Anyway, hope everyone has a great weekend... don't forget the suntan lotion. It plans to be a beautiful race weekend (highs in the low 70's!!!!) Ride safe everyone.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 17:11:38 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Quick Answer Please X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Before I leave work (5:30pm). Is there any significant difference between one DOT5 fluid (say Yamaha) and another (say Honda). If the answer is NO, you will save me an out of way trip home tonight :)) I should probably know the answer, but am a victem of corporate advertising.....grumble..get my lawyer on the phone!!! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 6 16:17:25 1997 From: "john thomas" To: Subject: new address Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:13:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, y'all- I have a new address, klthomas@XXXXXX Formerly klthomas77@XXXXXX AT&T seems ok so far, and AOL sucks. Same price, but if Arlington is long distance for you, then AT&T is probably a bad idea for now. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 7 23:09:50 1997 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:53:52 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Quick Answer Please To: Todd B Peer cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <19970905211021.AAA27815@localHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > Is there any significant difference between one DOT5 fluid (say > Yamaha) and another (say Honda). Just a word of caution to everyone;there is more than one kind of DOT 5.Regular DOT 5 is silicon-based and I think Harley/Buell are the only ones who use it as standard.There is now also a new DOT 5.# that is a newer version of the old DOT 3&4.Mixing the two will degrade your seals and cause the formation of 'sludge' that will clog up your passages. As far as brand names are concerned,brake fluid is pretty much like oil,coolent,etc.As long as the number is the same,they're compatible and the only difference is quality. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 8 01:52:23 1997 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 01:51:10 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Organization: DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , kawasaki_temp Subject: New Gadgets... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got some new gadgets for the scoot this past week. I bought a Ventura Bike-Pack system from Art Crow at Riders Acc Warehouse for my Zephyr 750. What a neat system! The bag(s) sit behind you out of the airstream. And you can zip two bag together to get up to 88 liters capacity. The system with hardware and a 44-liter bag came to around $231 US. For a pic, goto http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~norton/moto/ventura.html I also picked up an Arai NR3 helmet for the girlfriend over at (cough) Coleman. I couldn't pass it up: I had a 20%-off coupon that brought it in line with mail order prices - about $280 US. For $20 more, I had the top and rear vents put on. I'm jealous! It's quite a nice helmet. Probably a whole lot quieter (and cooler) than my Shoei DuoTec. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX One DIGEX Plaza Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 8 04:03:03 1997 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:52:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970905174244.AAA13544@localHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > I think it would be clearer to say that a lawyer acts in his own > behalf by agreeing to sue someone on the behalf of his client. > After all, the client is the bread and butter. Some of those late > night adds for "you gotta phone, you gotta lawyer" seem geared > to sway the decision process, don't they? Why is it the only ads you see early in the morning are 976-heavy- breathing,psychic friends,or lawyers?Makes you wonder... My favorite lawyer ad was the one where the guy actually said that he went for the highest settlements because the more money he got for you,the more money he would get.Truth in advertising from a lawyer,will wonders ever cease? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 8 11:16:44 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Phone # Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:15:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have the phone number for the cycle salvage place in Baltimore handy? I think it is called (obviously) Baltimore Cycle Salvage? TIA, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 8 22:06:19 1997 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:06:54 -0400 To: DC-Cycles List , EX500 List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Sturges wins at Summit (so does Summers) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rich wins Clubman while posting lowest EX500 lap times. Perfect racing conditions on Sunday, September 7th, allowed Rich Sturges to post a personal best lap time of 1:26.4 while winning the Clubman race at Summit Point Raceway. In Lightweight Twins Rich and Brian Summers had an exciting 8-lap battle for the lead, which Brian won by less than a bike length. here are the excrutiating details.... Although Rich had previously decided to skip this WERA event, the bike was still loaded in the truck from last weekM-^Rs Pocono outing and predictions of perfect weather were too enticing. Saturday morning Rich renew his license, signed up for three lightweight races and setup pit with Brian Summers. The first practice went smoothly but an unexpected rain shower delayed things and the second practice set was far slower than a full speed prelude to the late afternoon race. While the riders waited patiently for their 20 lap mini-endurance, last race of the day, the weather returned to the sunny delight that had been promised. The field showed 44 bikes on the grid and Rich had to start from the back of the second wave. His assault started with an excellent launch and was into the tail of the first wave headed into turn three when the EX sputtered, then died. Hand up to avoid getting run over by those heM-^Rd just passed, Rich thought back to the only thing that had been done to the bike since morning practice; the fuel petcock had been turned from M-^QmainM-^R to M-^QreserveM-^R. Flicking this back to M-^QmainM-^R had him going again, but he was by then near the back of the entire field. Determined, maybe even a little angry, he quickly worked back up to the top ten, dicing for several laps with 125 rider Mark Andy. The EX was able to power past the diminutive GP bike down the straight, but Mark was able to sail through the infield and eventually disappeared in a sea of lapped traffic. Rich pressed forward, passing dozens of backmarkers per lap, until lap eighteen when MarkM-^Rs leathers were once again in sight. Driving hard out of turn nine Rich was closing the gap, certain of his ability to overtake until the EX sputtered. Flicking the petcock to M-^QreserveM-^R proved just a futile as it was at the beginning of the race, and the bike soon died; a quart of gas still in the tank but none in the carbs. Watching the remaining two laps from the turn one cornerstation, Rich thought about the $95 that Mark won for his fifth place finish. Brian took his RGV250 to a solid third place for a $170 purse. The clogged petcock was cleaned out and more fuel was added before heading out for Sunday morning practice. The day showed excellent promise as both the weather and the track were warming quickly. In the second practice sets both Rich and Brian were turning 1:27 - 1:28 lap times. Clubman was up after lunch, and the weather was indeed perfect; warm and sunny enough for good traction yet cool enough that the engines could find plenty of oxygen. The 125 GP race was run simultaneously and the eight GP racers were given a five second headstart before the Clubman bikes took off. Rich was the second bike into turn one and the first rider into turn three. From that point it was man again track; Rich had his head down and the never looked back. Picking off all but one of the 125s, Rich used the clear track to set a string of 1:26 laps, the lowest being his new personal best of 1:26.4. Unfortunately the race was shortened to six laps when Mark AndyM-^Rs brake rotor exploded, but thatM-^Rs another story. Brian took second after a slow start; his two stroke had developed a intermittent stumble. BrianM-^Rs bike stumbled only once in their second race, however, and Rich and Brian battled it out for the whole Lightweight Twins race, turning 26s and 27s from start to finish. Never separated by more than two bike lengths, Brian held the advantage in turns 5-6-7-8 but Rich could recover in 2-3 and 10, and down the final section of the front straight. Swapping the lead three times, it was Brian-Rich at the checkered, with both riders feeling like a winner after such a satisfying weekend. PS- MarkM-^Rs story went like this: The brake disk on MarkM-^Rs RS125 exploded going into turn one. He survived the long ride through gravel and field to the skid pad, then decided to rejoin the race and cruise for last-place points. Unfortunately the disk pieces had punctured his radiator, and his wet tire tossed him as soon as he hit the paint in turn three, breaking his left wrist. Bummer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 16:43:43 1997 From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Please Add Me to Your List... Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:40:53 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain My name's Jeannette & I just got an '85 Interceptor VF 500 three weeks ago. I'd love the chance to meet other riders. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 17:04:58 1997 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:03:10 -0400 From: "Perry D. Coleman" Subject: 83 Nighthawk 650 for sale. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (436.3 7-23-1997)) id 8525650D.0073F42F ; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:06:31 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK 1983 Honda CB650SC Nighthawk. 14,300 original miles. Shaft drive sporting standard. Good all-around bike. Excellent mechanical, very good cosmetic condition. Garage kept. All original. $1,500/obo. This is my wife's bike. She's driven it very gently. Now she wants a new one, so this one must go! Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 17:22:09 1997 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:23:28 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: VA Reckless Ticket ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all Can anyone shed any light on the ramifications of a reckless driving charge in VA? Is the rationale x mph over the limit or is there a magic number one should never exceed? What is the minimum a judge would impose? Is a liar, I mean lawyer ;) recommended? And, has anyone ever beaten one of these? TIA, (I'm asking for a friend in case anyone's wondering...) J (Don't ask; won't tell) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 17:38:03 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:35:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 33 TEXT >From what I've heard, if you exceed the posted speed limit by 20 mph, they slap on an automatic reckless driving charge in VA. Period. No arguments. Because of the target-rich environment in the Northern Virginia area, I don't think cops even bother with you unless you are near this 20+ over the limit, it's not worth their time, revenue-wise. Horkster (knocking on wood, REAL LOUDLY, too!) ---------- From: John C. Kozyn[SMTP:jckzoyn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 8:23 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: VA Reckless Ticket ? Hey y'all Can anyone shed any light on the ramifications of a reckless driving charge in VA? Is the rationale x mph over the limit or is there a magic number one should never exceed? What is the minimum a judge would impose? Is a liar, I mean lawyer ;) recommended? And, has anyone ever beaten one of these? TIA, (I'm asking for a friend in case anyone's wondering...) J (Don't ask; won't tell) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 18:26:31 1997 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:18:43 -0700 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its - 6 points and costly if it actually goes on your record as reckless. Definitely go to court and at the minimum try a plea on 19 over -4 points, but its no reckless, and driving school is good for +5. you didnt say what jurisdiction it happened in, some places have more lenient judges than others. In some , above is the best youll get. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 18:43:22 1997 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:41:33 -0400 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "John C. Kozyn" Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Delurking . . . John and fellow list readers: I can't respond to the questions about what is SOP in Virginia, but the following links give some good advice about speeding tickets and fighting them. The basic premise of the second link is that 90% of the cases that are contested (with or without a lawyer) result in acquittal or a reduced fine. http://www.nashville.net/speedtrap/radar.html http://www.motorists.com/Tickets/ticket1.htm My own experience (FWIW): While in college in Florida I got a reckless driving ticket on my bike--girl friend on back; stopped by a redneck rookie who got within one foot of my rear fender with lights but no siren before I saw him and pulled over; thrown against cop car, frisked, and handcuffed, and accused of trying to elude; subsequently released after, it seemed, every cop/sheriff/trooper in the county stopped by to see what the major bust was and, I imagine, told the rookie that he might have over reacted. I was taking a constitutional law course at the time so I decided to put some of book learnin' to the test. I requested and was granted a jury trial--I knew what my chances were in traffic court. I got a redneck public defender who took an instant dislike to his long-haired, college-student client. My defense was the list of questions to ask me and my girl friend on the stand that I gave him when he walked into court on the trial date. In summary, my argument was that I was speeding, but that it would be difficult to commit "willful and wanton endangerment of persons and property"--the Florida reckless driving definition-- on a motorcycle seeing that the rider and his bike are the ones constantly endangered by cagers. Of course it didn't hurt that some of my questions for my girl friend focused on the "almost being run over by the cop, thrown against cop car, frisking and handcuffing" aspects of the incident and her breaking into tears while recalling these details on the witness stand. The result was a "not guilty" from my jury of six. (In Florida they only use juries of twelve for capital offenses.) I might add that most of the jury consisted of local, older, redneck types. Good luck to "your friend". ----------------------------------------------- John C. Kozyn wrote: > Hey y'all > > Can anyone shed any light on the ramifications of a reckless driving > charge in VA? Is the rationale x mph over the limit or is there a magic > number one should never exceed? > > What is the minimum a judge would impose? > > Is a liar, I mean lawyer ;) recommended? > > And, has anyone ever beaten one of these? > > TIA, > > (I'm asking for a friend in case anyone's wondering...) > > J (Don't ask; won't tell) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 22:47:56 1997 X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 22:48:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The result was a "not guilty" from my jury of six. (In Florida they only >use juries of twelve for capital offenses.) I might add that most of the >jury consisted of local, older, redneck types. > GOD BLESS US REDNECKS :) _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 23:20:44 1997 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:04:07 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3415E880.4FDB@mnsinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think the 'automatic for 20 over' is correct.I got tagged for 20 over/reckless a few years ago by a VA state trooper.The thing that pissed me off was my speedo said 74,and given the % of error I was prolly only doing about 72.The cop tagged me for 76 and there was no way she could've paced me(the ticket said she did).I made the mistake of answering the question "do you know how fast you were going?" and she bumped it up 2mph. You might want to tell your friend to look into a lawyer.When I went to court,as soon as the cop said 'motorcycle',the judge didn't want to hear any excuses.Fortunately,the points never wound up on my record(my license is from PA). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 00:06:47 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Same topic, different questions. I was in Rappahannock county last weekend and was caught in a county fund-raising trap: stop every vehicle on US 211 and check paperwork. High volume business: trolling for dollars. I didn't have current inspection; $55. My question: what are the consequences to my Va license and Va registration if I don't pay up? Non-renewal? (almost certainly) What about arrest warrant---will any other county bother to enforce this? (I don't plan to visit charming Washington, Va. again.) --garcia BTW, I'm not always or necessarily a scofflaw---but I resent their approach to raising money. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 00:13:02 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:12:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: Garcia Oliver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? In-Reply-To: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Eventually the fine will be removed from your va state income tax return refund. It will also be listed as an outstanding on your next violation, which will not fare well in the officer letting you go the next time. -pierre On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Garcia Oliver wrote: > Same topic, different questions. > > I was in Rappahannock county last weekend and was caught in a > county fund-raising trap: stop every vehicle on US 211 and check > paperwork. High volume business: trolling for dollars. I didn't have > current inspection; $55. > > My question: what are the consequences to my Va license and Va > registration if I don't pay up? Non-renewal? (almost certainly) What > about arrest warrant---will any other county bother to enforce this? (I > don't plan to visit charming Washington, Va. again.) > > --garcia > > BTW, I'm not always or necessarily a scofflaw---but I resent their > approach to raising money. > -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 06:36:43 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: Fw: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:33:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John- Apparently this didn't go through to your address. Kevin ---------- > From: kevin thomas > To: John C. Kozyn > Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? > Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 6:44 PM > > John- > > I can't say much about Va, but in NC, 20 over (or 75 mph, whichever comes > first) is automatic suspension. Lawyers are recommended, and usually get > a reduction, in my experience. > > Later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 07:39:57 1997 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'John C. Kozyn'" , "'garicao@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:39:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 54 TEXT John, I can shed some light on the Reckless charge in VA since I have been through one of these in the last year. One of my friends is a lawyer in Fairfax so I studied his book on VA traffic law. There are several different type of Reckless Driving charges in VA. Which one did your friend get? There is Reckless - Speed, Reckless - Failure to maintain control of vehicle, and a few others. With Reckless - Speed it is basically 20 MPH over the limit with the exception of the 80 rule. Anything over 80 MPH regardless of speed limit is considered Reckless Driving. Remember this next time your in that 65 MPH zone on I-95 and people are blowing by you while you are doing a pleasant 75. Reckless Driving in VA is a class 1 misdemeanor. In other words you COULD go to jail for up to 1 year and/or a maximum fine of $2500. Now I have never heard of anyone getting slapped for the maximums but its entirely up to the judge. My lawyer friend says there is one judge in Fairfax that if you are convicted for going over 90 he will send you to jail for a few days. Get a lawyer for sure. As someone else said its a six point ticket and doesn't look good if you have or want a security clearance. Most lawyers can usually get them reduced to improper driving. Improper driving is a BS charge. As far as points its equivalent to getting a 1-9 MPH over speeding ticket. A brother of one of my friends got a Reckless charge in Fairfax, went to court without a lawyer and the judge told him to come back after he got one. If your friend would like the name of my lawyer then let me know. He just got another friend of mine off a Reckless ticket. Garcia, I believe what someone said is correct. If you are expecting any kind of VA state tax income tax return they will keep taking it from there until its paid. This will include late fees, etc. Trust me, I tried this with an Arlington county parking ticket. I think if its a moving violation your drivers license will be suspended until the fines are paid. Not 100% sure on that but I know some unpaid charges will result