From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 02:47:42 1997 From: bonez@XXXXXX Comments: Authenticated sender is To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Chris Norloff Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:51:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB should be 1% now! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Back in the 60's the AMA stated that the "Hell's Angel" types were only about 1% of the motorcyclists in the USA. with that many of the "hard core" biker started proudly referring to themselves as "One Percenters" and often had a patch on their dusters that had 1& on it. The Dirty Loud etc...etc.. movie bikers wouldn't be a pimple on the ass of ANY of the 1%ers I've known. Chris once again I see that we have come from 2 VERY different backgrounds. ( by the way it was a one percenter that taught me about the 2 kinds of riders... not to get that thread going again). In spite of your usual showing of intelligence (even if I don't agree with it!) this time you've really stepped in it. My guess is the only 1%ers you've ever met has been on TV or when you've arrested them. (not a good way to meet people, it gives both of you a bad impression of the other.) Anyway even though these guy's often look mean and nasty, often they have had the same bad breaks that you usally see in a guy on a heater grate downtown but they had a different reaction, to take care of themselves and those who they are responsible to and for. Their method's may not be very forgiving of the rest of the world but they think of it as giving back what they get. In most cases I would trust any of them more then the average citizen. Friend or enemy you know where you stand with them. That's better then you can say for most of those making (/enforcing?) the laws in our country!! The only times that I have seen hollywierd portray motorcyle enthusiasts fairly has been the car commercial recently where the gut has a twitch in his eye and the biker shrugs and winks back at him screwing around. That and the movie with Cher in it called "Mask" . ... steps down from soap box.... How many of you other "Old Farts" can tell where the name (and origins) of the Hell's Angels as a group came from. As far as the other post about the pagan's I have never met a pagan but any of the 1%ers I ahve met ( HA, Outlaw's, Banditos, ....) all have never said anything good about them as a group. bottom of the barrell (Chris's 1%) By the way I have only ridden Sochirio's finest (Honda to the unwashed) and because I have alway's stood my ground and NEVER!!! said anything I couldn't back up, I have never had a serious problem with this RABID Harley crowd! K.P. Mahoney or "Honda" Bones as the "leaker" riders know me bonez@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:34:36 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Chris Norloff > Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB > > So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? > > The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole. > Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed > on TV and in movies as "bikers". > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 02:47:46 1997 From: bonez@XXXXXX Comments: Authenticated sender is To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Chris Norloff Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:51:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Chris how does it feel to find the shoe on the other foot. I just read this old mail from you 5 minutes after sending my previous reply. Read together they sure put an interesting spin on you point of view. My opinion of Bike cops back home was that they thought all of us (not cops) made them look bad and they were out to clean up Dodge City. Looks like I may have been right in your case. > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:34:36 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Chris Norloff > Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB > > So what's a 1%'er? One percent of what? > > The bottom 1%, the bottom of the barrel, the bottom 1% of the whole. > Typically used to mean the dirty, loud, cretinous types popularly portrayed > on TV and in movies as "bikers". > > Chris Norloff > Date sent: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:50:41 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycle Officers [was: Rookie MCP Cop >And as a general rule motorcycle cops are assholes. i have yet to me >a nice one. if you know a nice one, please have him call me. I >really would like to meet one that is not a butthead. i do not wave >to cop-bikers. I fear they will pull me over for wrecklss driving >(hands off handlebars) Is this supposed to be flame-bait? As a general rule, statements that say "as a general rule [group of people] are jerks" are false. If you really want to meet neat officers on bikes, take an MSF course (high percentage of officers) or enroll to become an instructor. I met a lot of officers that way ... most of them were good people, one was not - sort of like all people. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 09:53:36 1997 X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:52:50 -0400 To: RFRAER@XXXXXX, KLThomas77@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: VFR popping out of gear In-Reply-To: <970831223520_-333939616@emout16.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kevin, Sorry I forgot to mention it before. On the Suzuki list a lot of people are having similar problems with the RF900 (and older GSXR1100). Their 2nd gear is also popping out and eventually needing replaced. The cause for them was found to be the gear itself. Apparently all the gears except 2nd are undercut. With repeated hard accelerations the straight cut 2nd eventually starts bending. Just some more food for thought. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 21:21:13 1997 X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970830094222.2fef0650@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:21:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: a fall paintball ride? > I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a paintball >ride. You know... get together, ride up to the paintball field, get there, >let me kill everyone, then we either go someplace to eat, or go home. >October was usually best, cuz it aint too hot and aint too cold. Paintballs >get hard in the cold and hurt like hell if ya get one in the face, but when >its too warm, you get all hot and sweaty from runnin up and down those damn >hills. You need at least 20 people in order to reserve a field that will be >JUST for YOU. Its MUCH better to do it that way, cuz some of those >paintballers think they're Rambo with their automatic weapons and all. MUCH >better to be your OWN group and be similarly equipped. > Well, like I said. I was just wonderin if there was any people out there >not afraid of gettin shot up. > >Squeakers Squeak speaks truth about the cold: I went in late November one year, and got shot at close range in the thigh. The bruise was ugly enough by itself, but the amazing thing was the perfect circle of blood about 3" in diameter. I can only guess that the skin 'splashed up' and tore at the peak of the splash. Wear layers, with quilted thermals underneath. If I had a ton of disposable income (i.e. no MCs) and no life whatsoever, I'd have one of those automatic paintball guns. They're cool. Keep me posted. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 23:11:40 1997 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:58:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Need a faring. To: Bryndyn Weiner cc: CB-1 list , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <34087076.6C2E@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 30 Aug 1997, Bryndyn Weiner wrote: > If anyone has a generic 1/4 faring or > cafe faring or even the upper faring off of some other sportbike with a > single round headlight, I'm interested in buying it. I'm not terribly > concerned about its appearance, just the fit and mounting requirements. I've seen generic "cafe" 1/4 fairings in JC Whitney for like $40-50. You could also check out a Dennis Kirk catalog.National Cycle makes several windshields that are cafe styled;the Cafe,Gauntlet,Stiletto,etc. I haven't priced them lately,but I can't see them being over $100. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 23:38:16 1997 Subject: DC mc license test Date: Mon, 1 Sep 97 23:38:08 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Eric M. Winslow" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello. Does anybody on the list have a good recollection of the DC motorcycle license riding test (if you've taken it yourself) or know through other means what they require the rider to do? A housemate of mine is going to take it on the 18th of Sept and I want to make sure he practices the 'right' maneuvers. I assume that it is a parking lot exam. I know that the MSF course would prepare him quite well for it, but he doesn't have the means to get to one at this point in time. Any info will be must appreciated. Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 1 23:59:37 1997 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:23:46 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Ban On Smoking. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok all, New rule for group rides;the two-smokes ride at the back of the pack! On yesterday's CAMS ride,we were able to track the guy on the Aprillia who left us on a twisty road by the smell of his exhaust. :-P Oh,guess I might as well make a ride report,huh?Well,it was a pretty cool ride.We started out from a Silver Diner,and then went down some roads(can you tell I had no idea where I was?),and finally ended at Paynes Biker Cafe.We started with about 17 riders,then broke into two groups when Colin and the two-smoker broke off and went down a back road(what happened to you Linda?).That was a lot of fun;too bad I can't remember how to get back there.But we did get to see the Ducati crash site,and we were shown the Top Secret industrial park track course(I do remember where that is,but I've been sworn to secrecy).The only bad was when the guy on the Maxim went down.We wound up making a quick stop to pull into a parking lot in a horseshoe curve,and he went a little wide and dropped it at the side of the road.No injuries,and the only damage to the bike was he lost the spring off his kickstand.They were able to repair it with a coat hanger(who rides around with coat hangers?).Also,the weather was absolutely perfect.Warm,but not too hot,and nice and sunny.Hope everyone else got to enjoy the weather this weekend. BTW,anybody know that guy with the Maxim(or know the girl on the red Katana he came with)?From the way he was riding(the crash,almost rear- ending me)I got the impression he's not used to either the power or the shaft drive on that bike.His last bike was an iron-head Sportster(60's era)and I think he said he had been off a bike for awhile before recently getting the Yamaha.We need to get him to an MSF course. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 00:03:50 1997 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:55:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Saddlemen Seats. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone here purchased a seat from Saddlemen?I just saw one in an issue of Hot Bike designed for my S1.I need a new(real) seat bad,and the Corbin model doesn't really impress me for the price.The Saddlemen one looks way more comfortable,and I think I could also take a passenger on it(the Corbin's a solo).Inputs anyone? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 07:21:16 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Ban On Smoking. & CAMS Sunday route Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:18:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT, 49 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >We started out from a Silver Diner,and then went down >some roads(can you tell I had no idea where I was?) Route 50 to Snickersville Tpke - took a left off Snickersville to St Louis (and back to 50) Over Mt. Weather - stopped at Horseshoe Curve Restaurant (closed 'till noon) and then off to Payne's in Leesburg. >From the way he was riding(the crash,almost rear- >ending me)I got the impression he's not used to either the power or the >shaft drive on that bike. He probably wasn't paying attention closely - he was behind me on the blast over Mt. Weather (I was hanging just behind the ZX-11) and keeping up quite nicely (I was amazed that he was able to hustle the Maxim over that road that well). 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BAD NEWS: 1. They took a screwdriver to the key/ignition switch and destroyed that. I cannot get the key into it, nor can I get the handlebars unlocked. 2. They cut two wires at the top of the forks leading to the ignition switch in an attempt to hot-wire it. GOOD NEWS (if there can really be any): 1. They did NOT get frustrated at the fact that they could not steal the bike and damage it. Bike was not kicked over, seat not slashed no mirror breakage, etc. I filed a report with the Alexandria police (case # 97-016216). Now I get to see what this will cost to fix and whether or not I file with my insurance. I just had to vent somewhere and DC-cycles is the place. Thanks for listening. Later, Chris (please take my car and leave the bike) Meier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:03:45 1997 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 09:02:02 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" , "Griff, David" Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be very carefull most times they do come back. This happend to my buddy, they tried 3 times before they got it. If the ignition is busted there half way there. Make the bike unstartable pull fuses, battery, coils what ever. Lock the hell out of it. A quick storie about the crooks we hate and how dumb they are. As I said they stole my buddy's bike in South Carolina (no helmet law) and rode it to Alabama(helmet law) can you guess why they pulled the dumb ass over? The good part is he stopped and my friend has his bike back. The bad part is they crashed it on both sides at some point. The courts are trying to get him money to fix it but it has been almost a year. He will get the money but it will take awhile. All this for a 10 year old CBR 600. Any bike is a target. There are two types of riders those who have had a bike stolen and those who will. Jay Goddard 94 ZX9R 92 VFR 91 FZR 600 (stolen at the Pentagon) Meier, Christopher wrote: > All., > > I came out this morning to find that someone had tried to steal my > 1994 > RF900. > > BAD NEWS: > 1. They took a screwdriver to the key/ignition switch and destroyed > that. I cannot get the key into it, nor can I get the handlebars > unlocked. > > 2. They cut two wires at the top of the forks leading to the ignition > > switch in an attempt to hot-wire it. > > GOOD NEWS (if there can really be any): > > 1. They did NOT get frustrated at the fact that they could not steal > the bike and damage it. Bike was not kicked over, seat not slashed no > > mirror breakage, etc. > > I filed a report with the Alexandria police (case # 97-016216). Now I > > get to see what this will cost to fix and whether or not I file with > my > insurance. > > I just had to vent somewhere and DC-cycles is the place. Thanks for > listening. > > Later, > Chris (please take my car and leave the bike) Meier > --------------------------------------------------- > -------------------- > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------- > ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:36:46 1997 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:36:10 -0400 From: skip@XXXXXX (Skip Farmer) In-Reply-To: "Meier, Christopher" "RE: Sat morning ride" (Aug 29, 9:18am) X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fenwick, DE ride report Cc: "Meier, Christopher" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Ride to Del was great! Thanks to Chris for the route. We hit Severn River bridge right after sunrise and it was beautiful. Not to much traffic on 50 and by the time we turned off of 301 on to 304 there was only an occasional cage. Ridding through that farmland it great. There were two problems we had, both self inflicted. I almost ran out of gas on 287E. I thought I had enough but for some reason my tank seemed to run real short that time (but I found a gas station by cutting up a few miles of 313). Next problem, and not a major one, was that we all missed the turn to Road 56. To busy checking out the scenery. The end of the route is a little different than Chris's. We took 13 to Redden road. From there we took 113 to Roxanna and cut through there to come out onto rt 54. All in all, it was a really great ride. Thanks again Chris for the route. Skip -- ------------------------ Skip Farmer Silicon Graphics Chesapeake Region 12200-G Plum Orchard Dr. Silver Spring, MD 20904 (301) 572-3292 Email: skip@XXXXXX (301) 572-3280 Fax Email Pager: skip_p@XXXXXX 6-238-3292 VoiceMail WWW Address: http://reality.sgi.com/skip_clubfed ------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:44:45 1997 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:44:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list , Honda CBR mailing list , Honda CB-1 mailing list Subject: MD/DC/VA/WV area riders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i'm heading up to summit point raceway (west of charles town, w.v.) this weekend to cornerwork the races (WERA regional sprints); who wants to go up with me? i've done this before: it's a lot of fun, they feed you, and you get in to the races for free. you get right up close to the action. the racers love you (if they've never crashed or been injured, they appreciate that you enable the races to take place; if they have crashed, they appreciate how you keep them from being run over!). cornerwork a few times and you get a discount on the racer school if you want to get your own track license. they never have too many cornerworkers; usually, they need more than show up. they are ready, willing, and able to give on-the-job training to anyone who is interested; you don't have to have worked before or attended the safety school they held in the spring. see http://marrc.nova.org/ for more information; call or write bill powers at 301-791-6167 (email: marrcmem@XXXXXX) if you want to join us this weekend. i'll probably be going up on the CB-1 saturday and the CBR sunday. i hope to meet a lot of you up there. -D- Cynthia Alice DiPaula was born 9 June 1997, 3:36 p.m., 7 lb. 10 oz., 20.5" "Damage jackals ripping right through you: sight and smell of this it, gets me going." -JH My 1988 Mazda MX-6 is for sale, email me if interested. My 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) is for sale, email me if interested, or read my CB-1 description From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:50:10 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: paintball ride Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:22:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT Yeah, And how accurate is he while firing and doing a wheelie at speed? :-) Horkster ---------- From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX[SMTP:KLThomas77@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 1997 3:15 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: paintball ride In a message dated 97-08-30 10:06:53 EDT, you write: << Brian McCoy (Wyoming Jr. rifle champion, 90,91,92,93 - U.S. Jr. Olympic training team summers of 91,92 - ranked 3rd nationally in air rifle in 93.. yadda, yadda.. ) and Motorcycle rider.. :P >> Yeah, but what have you done lately? Showoff! ;-) Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 09:58:53 1997 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Ron Major X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e FYI: For anyone following the IBR this round...some sad news. Todd Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 01:42:06 -0400 To: George Brown From: "Robert E. Higdon" Subject: Ron Major Cc: st1100@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199709020537.VAA07906@ptialaska.net> Sender: owner-st1100@XXXXXX >Any word on Ron Majors? We just found out ten minutes ago --- I write this at 1:40 a.m. PDT --- that Ron's body was found 1/4 mile behind his bike on I-8 near Yuma. It was off the road. Helicopters spotted him. We don't know what happened --- fell asleep, heart attack, etc. We do know that we're sick to our stomachs. I'll cc: your list, but I'd advise your reposting this just to make sure it goes through. I'm doing this from a motel on an uncertain phone line and shaky modem. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 12:39:41 1997 From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Meier, Christopher" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:36:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I came out this morning to find that someone had tried to steal my 1994 > RF900. A $200 Scorpio alarm may have prevented any damage, and would have prevented hot-wiring entirely. Actually, even if would-be thieves had the KEY, they couldn't start the bike if the alarm is activated. I'll be interested to see if the repair to your bike cost more or less than the cost of an alarm. Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so nothing can protect against that, including chains and disc locks. Berg/ZX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 12:47:10 1997 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 12:46:29 -0400 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ban On Smoking. That was me on the katana, the guys name was Gary, he seemed to have been riding for a while, but *was* testing the limits of that Maxim, and it has a drum brake on the rear.... so all in all he could have been hot roding a little. I thought the low side was a decent reminder for him to be a bit more careful. I took to calling him squirrelly for the rest of the day : ) thanks for a great ride and it was great to meet everyone. Sandy 87 Hurricane 600 85 Virago 1000 >>> Gil M. Nissley 09/01 9:36 AM >>> BTW,anybody know that guy with the Maxim(or know the girl on the red Katana he came with)?From the way he was riding(the crash,almost rear- ending me)I got the impression he's not used to either the power or the shaft drive on that bike.His last bike was an iron-head Sportster(60's era)and I think he said he had been off a bike for awhile before recently getting the Yamaha.We need to get him to an MSF course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:03:30 1997 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:01:43 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bergie Frazier Jr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We could argue the pros and cons of alarms but the bike I just bought had an alarm that I reinstalled and removed in 5 minutes. If the crook can get under the seat they can disable anything armed or not. I had to buy a new ignition for my FZR it cost $75 bucks and I put it in in 15 minutes. For security on my ZX9R I have a few hidden kill switches,a fake flashing light and a Krypto 6ft NY chain. If you can get throught the chain or whatever I chained it to you still have to find all the switches and put them in the right order and if you do that I have one last thing...theft insurance. Has anyone heard about a crook defeating the krypto disk lock? If you know how it was done please Email me privately, don't post it to the list, you never know who might be reading. Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > > I came out this morning to find that someone had tried to steal my > 1994 > > RF900. > > A $200 Scorpio alarm may have prevented any damage, > and would have prevented hot-wiring entirely. Actually, > even if would-be thieves had the KEY, they couldn't start > the bike if the alarm is activated. > > I'll be interested to see if the repair to your bike cost more > or less than the cost of an alarm. > > Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, > the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to > pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so > nothing can protect against that, including chains and > disc locks. > > Berg/ZX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:05:15 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:59:24 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: paintball ride To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part << Brian McCoy (Wyoming Jr. rifle champion, 90,91,92,93 - U.S. Jr. Olympic training team summers of 91,92 - ranked 3rd nationally in air rifle in 93.. yadda, yadda.. ) and Motorcycle rider.. :P >> >Yeah, but what have you done lately? Showoff! ;-) Hah! Shooting pieces of paper is easy. Has he shot at anything that shoots back? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:17:59 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: Attempted MC theft Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:15:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT No, if you have info please post to all the list. If the krypto lock can be defeated, I want to know it, so I don't go out and buy it. Horkster ---------- Jay wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:23:18 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, Loupil@XXXXXX, askstephen@XXXXXX, philipa@XXXXXX, anniem@XXXXXX, baldwin2@XXXXXX, saturnsr1@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX, Biker413@XXXXXX, syswsb@XXXXXX, bill.maggs@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX, blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX, tobias@XXXXXX, botcher1@XXXXXX, bdouglas@XXXXXX, BWEINER@XXXXXX, Chris.Kleponis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dorman@XXXXXX, jonesw@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, conteh@XXXXXX, hintze@XXXXXX, dale@XXXXXX, dutchd@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX, davenunn@XXXXXX, dotis@XXXXXX, dstrout@XXXXXX, creativ3@XXXXXX, manteid@XXXXXX, BKVA1@XXXXXX, bellomo@XXXXXX, Cooper@XXXXXX, Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, ecrosen@XXXXXX, fsupik@XXXXXX, gcraddoc@XXXXXX, HDWarp80@XXXXXX, hmanell@XXXXXX, hugo1200@XXXXXX, jchi@XXXXXX, bsajim@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, jeffp@XXXXXX, engine14@XXXXXX, jimb@XXXXXX, jimi@XXXXXX, jschaaf@XXXXXX, WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, jrduffy@XXXXXX, soukupj@XXXXXX, kbour@XXXXXX, larry_wilson@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX, louieb386@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, mackinto@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX, matthew_farina@XXXXXX, mjhayes@XXXXXX, mducey@XXXXXX, mdow@XXXXXX, kmlee@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, padoug@XXXXXX, pwwisnes@XXXXXX, pdenno@XXXXXX, Pcoleman@XXXXXX, penneyps@XXXXXX, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX, spak@XXXXXX, scotje@XXXXXX, slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX, steeleg@XXXXXX, 103126.2533@XXXXXX, steveb@XXXXXX, STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, higdont@XXXXXX, thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, botcher@XXXXXX, VZO1@XXXXXX, wrohara@XXXXXX, wjm1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:23:58 -0400 Subject: Rawlings Dirt Drags report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >hope you had a good ride this weekend. our Sunday ride was good. Yes Todd and I had a great time representing the CAMS at the Rawlings Dirt Drags. We took a nice scenic route up to the track on Saturday morning and got there about 2:00 pm. We set up camp with several friends of mine that were already up there, and then Todd went out to get some beer and ice, the first of several mood altering fluids. Then everybody except me proceeded to get completely smashed. The races started at about 6:30 pm and they kept going, and going, and going, and going until the following morning when they concluded at 4:30 am. They really know how to have fun out in the country. During this period Todd finished his beer, then continued with the rum and coke that he brought with him. Then he got aquatinted with a good old boy from Morgantown West Va., also named Todd, nicknamed "Otis" from Otis on The Andy Griffith Show (a nickname he was quite proud of by the way). The two Todds know how to party hearty. 8-) My other friends and Todd all went to bed by about 3:00 am and I stayed up watching the races until about 4:00 am when I finally turned in. I got a total of 3 to 4 hours of non sleep before getting up again at about 8:00 am. We had breakfast and Todd decided to go ahead and ride back that morning. The rest of us waited around for the field events that they have before starting the second day of racing. They have a wheelie contest, a slow race, a pony express race, an egg toss and finally a foot drag race. If you don't know what a pony express race is, it's as follows: You get a partner to wait at the half way point on the track. Then you race down to your partner, the partner attempts to jump on the back of your bike, and then you finish the race with your partner holding on for dear life. Very fun to watch! After the field events we too decided to head on home before the second day of races started. We left about 3:00 pm and got home a little after 6:00. I was so tired, I couldn't keep my eyes open for the Redskins game and went to bed before 9:00 pm. All in all I would rate the weekend a definite 10! We should try to make this a CAMS outing next year. They have the camping weekends during Memorial day and Labor day weekends. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:24:19 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:20:54 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:21:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1409IZT2VO7G X400-MTS-identifier: [;45023120907991/1928358@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Has anyone heard about a crook defeating the krypto disk lock? If you >know how it was done please Email me privately, don't post it to the >list, you never know who might be reading. For what it's worth, theives already know what works (including defeating a disk lock). I know I've seen a magazine that went through defeating each of the major types of theft deterrent. They defeated all of them (and told how and how fast). Time was the deciding factor in which deterrent was more effective. If it takes a thief longer to steal you bike he'll look for easier prey. Using some kind of heavy duty device to attach the bike to some immovable object was considered the best (like those mega cables and an anchor in concrete). I'll attempt to look through my magazines for the specific article... Other stuff: keep your bike out of sight if you can (duh), put your lock on the rear wheel (requires more effort to move the bike around), having an ugly or worthless bike keeps the "professional" thief away (duh), yada yada. One of the brit mags had some security stuff and included plans for a bomb as part of the theft deterrent program... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:24:42 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:25:47 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Attempted MC theft Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part _______________________________________________________________________________ Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so nothing can protect against that, including chains and disc locks. Berg/ZX Hah! (A) Chain the bike to something big and immobile, like a pole or a bike stand or a storm drain. (b) Run 440 volts to the bike-this really worked once, a melted screwdriver was found nearby, somewhat discolored. (c) Two words, claymore mines. (d) maybe we shopuld approach this like hunting. 1) Set out some really good bait in a prime location a) Like a Duc down near a hi-crime area 2) watch from concealment 3) when they prey comes to the bait, insert steel jacketed high velocity boot. 4) register game at nearest police station Dave (Maybe this is too liberal, I dunno) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:27:38 1997 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft In-Reply-To: <199709021638.MAA05944@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: > Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, > the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to > pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so > nothing can protect against that, including chains and > disc locks. The next time that you're in Riders Accessory Warehouse, ask Art to show you his scheme for preventing this kind of theft. It basically involves pouring some concrete with a buried I-beam. Maybe it's excessive but it will stop the above and it is amusing. -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:35:44 1997 X-ROUTED: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:30:24 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:03:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interestingly enough though, with or without an alarm, the most popular method of stealing motorcycles is to pick them up and put them in the back of a truck, so nothing can protect against that, including chains and disc locks. Well I usually take the precaution of locking my bike to my truck which has an alarm and if the want the bike that bad they have to take the truck too, unless they have the time for hacking through the gorilla lock that is attached to the truck. So more than likely the would be thieves will go to another easier bike that has none of these. But I am looking into an alarm for the bike too when I leave it in the parking lot when I go somewhere. Ck Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 13:54:47 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 13:55:54 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" To: Subject: Re[2]: Attempted MC theft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another good way to keep thieves away is to make your bike look unattractive. I spilled some paint all over my bike cover. This makes it look like a raggedy old bike. It's not even worth a second look. Hide the disc lock or the Krypto cable lock out of site. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 14:07:11 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 13:58:38 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[3]: paintball ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> Hah! Shooting pieces of paper is easy. Has he shot at anything that shoots back? Dave <<<< Only friends - bb/pellet gun wars out in Wyoming.. summer fun (then again, getting a rump full of rock-salt out of a shotgun while attempting to steal watermelons wasn't fun) I've also participated in paintball wars (college dorm in Jan.) before too.. glad I didn't live there, it was a MESS!! Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 15:48:45 1997 From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:47:25 -0400 (EDT) To: mehran.firouzbakht@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attempted MC theft I'll hurry home and shit on my new bike. If you have to make your moto look like doo-doo, then what's the point of having it? Get a garage. Or rent a locked storage space. (Actually, the cover idea is pretty tricky.) Sorry about the bike. Bike theft definitely should be a capital offense, punishable by hanging, preferably by the nuts. Oh, that's right, thieves don't have any. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 15:54:59 1997 From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:54:11 -0400 (EDT) To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX, goddardj@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft Hey, y'all- Motorcycle Consumer News did a lock test a couple of years ago, and the Emgo won. Krypto was 2nd. All locks can be broken if you know how and have time. I think the Emgo was the only one they couldn't get into quickly and quietly enough to want to steal the bike, if at all. Now that you can get 18 volt cordless saws and abrasive wheel cutters, it's probably time to do the test again. The barrel lock cylinders on Krypto and Emgo and others are almost impossible to open, so they need to cut or break the lock. The best way is to freeze it with Freon. They just spray it on, the lock gets brittle, whack it with a hammer and that's all. A pro thief has tons of ways to get your bike. If he wants it, it's gone, even if it's in your living room. The goal of locks, etc, is to inconvenience street punks and joyriders enough that they'll steal somebody elses bike instead. Nothing will stop a pro. I have a Krypto and an Emgo, but I use the Krypto. It's more convenient. I can hang it from a footpeg bracket. The emgo has to go under the seat or in a bag. If I'm somewhere I'd worry about, I use them both, but normally the bike is in my garage in a nice neighborhood, or parked on UMCP campus in daylight in heavy traffic areas. The Emgo wouldn't fit the rear rotor on my 92 VFR, and the krypto fits better on the front but when using both I had to put the Krypto in back. Good luck Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 16:10:50 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: Attempted MC theft Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:08:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 25 TEXT Yep, the worse my rain covers for my bikes look, the happier I am. Of course, they are not really rain-proof anymore :-[ Trade-offs, trade-offs. Horkster ---------- From: FakeTree@XXXXXX[SMTP:FakeTree@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 3:47 PM To: mehran.firouzbakht@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attempted MC theft I'll hurry home and shit on my new bike. If you have to make your moto look like doo-doo, then what's the point of having it? Get a garage. Or rent a locked storage space. (Actually, the cover idea is pretty tricky.) Sorry about the bike. Bike theft definitely should be a capital offense, punishable by hanging, preferably by the nuts. Oh, that's right, thieves don't have any. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 16:27:47 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 16:23:30 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't count on a garage saveing you. Someone I know from the VFR list receintally posted something about his house being broken into, and his bike almost stolen (ignition punched out, wife came home and opened garage door).. He now chains his bikes to one another and then to the floor (some kind of burried anchor type idea). Personally, I've had people move my bike (out of legal spots into handicap places), and sit on it... but nothing else. But then again, I have a total purchase investment of $900 - so I don't really care that much. BTW, it rarely gets locked (the garage at home, and the handle-bar lock)... Ride safe.... and keep em safe, Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 18:11:59 1997 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Wet leathers... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Now now, no kinky ideas. ;-) I got caught in the rain, big time, this afternoon. I felt like I could have jumped in the pool to dry off. But now to the purpose of this message, I've been told that getting a leather jacket wet in the rain is a Bad Thing (tm) and should not be done. Well, I didn't really have a choice from where I was. Are there any problems with getting the leathers soaked through (the arms were wet through the leather)? Is there anything I should do to protect the leather now, or just let it dry? I've usually been good at having my rainsuit with me when rain was predicted, but I had to take an unexpected trip out to Tysons, then got stuck in all the traffic. Ugh! Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 23:09:35 1997 X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:09:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft >One of the brit mags had some security stuff and included plans for a bomb >as part of the theft deterrent program... > >Kirk I the article was in PB, and they had several types of pyrotechnic anti-theft devices. The one I liked best was the paint bomb. Next fav was the 12 gauge blank shotgun shell, and finally rounding out last place was the smoke bomb. Of course, if you paint bomb your bike, detailing will take on a whole new meaning. Also not for the absent-minded. If you think driving off with the disk lock on sucks.... Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 2 23:20:22 1997 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:05:32 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ban On Smoking. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Sandy TRIOLO wrote: > That was me on the katana, the guys name was Gary Mea culpa.I'm terrible with names. > , he seemed to have been riding for a while, but *was* testing the > limits of that Maxim, and it has a drum brake on the rear.... so all in > all he could have been hot roding a little. I thought the low side > was a decent reminder for him to be a bit more careful. I took to calling > him squirrelly for the rest of the day : ) Maybe the blonde hair had just taken effect. ;-) Actually,I've owned a Nighthawk S and ridden my dad's old Magna,so I know how tricky those shafties can be.I got a wake-up call when the back end of a loaner BMW went sideways on me once.Still,considering what he's used to,the little caution should do him good.I also remembered that's he's also USAF,so he will wind up taking the course. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 00:17:08 1997 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:06:58 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Alan Lapp wrote: > I the article was in PB, and they had several types of pyrotechnic > anti-theft devices. The one I liked best was the paint bomb. Next fav was > the 12 gauge blank shotgun shell, and finally rounding out last place was > the smoke bomb. My fav from a Brit mag was the safety cage.It was a big steel cage with a top door(to keep the bike from being lifted out)and it used industrial-strength 'chub' locks that couldn't be accessed easily.It also had mounts on the bottom so it could be bolted to the concrete. I've read a lot of articles on bike theft and I'd like to pass on a few points.First,make damn sure you have theft insurance.If someone really wants your bike,they'll prolly get it.I read an article in _CW_ where a guy had his wife's Goof2 stolen from their garage.The thieves had to break into the locked garage,lift it over his CBR900,and scoot it past their car which was parked in the garage blocking the bikes. Next,don't rely on other people.Parking in a public area doesn't mean someone will stop a thief.The AMA did an article where they parked a Harley at a shopping mall,and then watched as thier own guys repeatedly stole it.Only one person did anything,and all they did was notify mall security after the bike was taken. Finally,use multiple security measures.Unfortunately,the best way to keep your bike is to make it a harder target than someone else's.Sad but true. Of course,you could always get a Buell.Noone wants them. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 07:30:37 1997 From: Robert Johnston To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Wet leathers... Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:31:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Louis, 1. let them dry slowly, don't put'm in the oven, or next to the furnace 2. if they're a dark color get some anhydrous glycerin and alcohol mixed = about 50/50 and wipe a generous amount on the leathers 3. if they're a dark color, once they're near dry, get some mink oil or = neatsfoot oil and rub it into the leather. If you use 2 or 3 on light colored leather, it will darken it and make = the finish blotchy. It will take two or three days to get them = completely dry. Or you could just wear them, however if the leather is = relatively soft or thin, it will stretch. -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 6:11 PM To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Wet leathers... Now now, no kinky ideas. ;-) I got caught in the rain, big time, this afternoon. I felt like I could = have jumped in the pool to dry off. But now to the purpose of this message, I've been told that getting a=20 leather jacket wet in the rain is a Bad Thing (tm) and should not be = done. Well, I didn't really have a choice from where I was. Are there any = problems=20 with getting the leathers soaked through (the arms were wet through the=20 leather)? Is there anything I should do to protect the leather now, or just let it dry? I've usually been good at having my rainsuit with me when rain was = predicted, but I had to take an unexpected trip out to Tysons, then got stuck in = all the traffic. Ugh! Louis -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX=20 Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC=20 DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is = boring. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 09:04:08 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:03:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Not quite a RUB should be 1% now! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:51 AM 9/1/97 +0000, bonez@XXXXXX wrote: > Chris once again I see that we >have come from 2 VERY different backgrounds. ( by the way it was a >one percenter that taught me about the 2 kinds of riders... not to >get that thread going again). In spite of your usual showing of >intelligence (even if I don't agree with it!) this time you've really >stepped in it. My guess is the only 1%ers you've ever met has been on >TV or when you've arrested them. (not a good way to meet people, it >gives both of you a bad impression of the other.) No, I've never been on TV, and no, I've never arrested anyone. I watch little TV or movies ... they're mostly fiction. >Anyway even though these guy's often look mean and nasty, often they >have had the same bad breaks that you usally see in a guy on a heater >grate downtown but they had a different reaction, to take care of >themselves and those who they are responsible to and for. Their >method's may not be very forgiving of the rest of the world but they >think of it as giving back what they get. Well, I guess that's how they interpret the idea that you treat other people as you want to be treated yourself. >In most cases I would trust >any of them more then the average citizen. Friend or enemy you know >where you stand with them. That's better then you can say for most of those >making (/enforcing?) the laws in our country!! You can do whatever you want to do. I try not to let any stereotypes cloud my thinking. I do, however, read the message that the person sends by the way they dress, the way they talk, the way they act, and the way they treat other people. Those can be very interesting messages. >As far as the other post about the pagan's I have never met a pagan >but any of the 1%ers I ahve met ( HA, Outlaw's, Banditos, ....) all >have never said anything good about them as a group. bottom of the >barrell (Chris's 1%) That's not MY "1%", that's what people call people who choose to portray themselves in a particular manner. Even you said it was an old description the AMA used. Hey, it's a free country, you can dress and act and talk as you want, but there may be people watching and listening. As they say, be careful what you wish for. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 10:38:11 1997 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:37:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Teitel To: Squeakers cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a fall paintball ride? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970830094222.2fef0650@pop.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Organize it and they will come. Count me in! Jeff ============================================================================ Keep the Rubber Side Down jteitel@XXXXXX '92 Seca II DoD#1365 "Out of the ethernet, through the switch, down the fiber, across the router, past the firewall, over the T-1... nothing but 'Net." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:01:05 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:34:26 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Wet leathers... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I use the HG-1 and and the HG-2 on the leathers when they get wet, (after they are dry again) I have been soaked a time or two, the leather is still fine. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Wet leathers... From: "Louis F. Caplan" at ddn Date: 2/9/1997 6:11 PM Now now, no kinky ideas. ;-) I got caught in the rain, big time, this afternoon. I felt like I could have jumped in the pool to dry off. But now to the purpose of this message, I've been told that getting a leather jacket wet in the rain is a Bad Thing (tm) and should not be done. Well, I didn't really have a choice from where I was. Are there any problems with getting the leathers soaked through (the arms were wet through the leather)? Is there anything I should do to protect the leather now, or just let it dry? I've usually been good at having my rainsuit with me when rain was predicted, but I had to take an unexpected trip out to Tysons, then got stuck in all the traffic. Ugh! Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:15:11 1997 X-Sender: awillard@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:11:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Willard unsubscribe dc-cycles ---------------------------- Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. Alan Willard FedWorld Systems 703.487.4850 x3710 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:15:26 1997 X-Sender: awillard@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:11:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Willard subscribe dc-cycles ---------------------------- Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. Alan Willard FedWorld Systems 703.487.4850 x3710 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:41:09 1997 From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:38:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT At 11:11 am, Alan Willard did a dumb thing ---------- From: Alan Willard[SMTP:awillard@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 11:11 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX subscribe dc-cycles ---------------------------- Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. Alan Willard FedWorld Systems 703.487.4850 x3710 Less than one minute Later, Alan did another dumb thing. ---------- From: Alan Willard[SMTP:awillard@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 11:11 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX unsubscribe dc-cycles ---------------------------- Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. Alan Willard FedWorld Systems 703.487.4850 x3710 This, Ladies and Gentleman, could be the new record for signing on and off the DC Cycles list, HAD ALAN ACTUALLY SENT THESE REQUESTS TO THE ADMINISTRATOR at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX RATHER THAN TOO THE WHOLE LIST!!! Sorry Alan, just had to vent. We seem to be getting lots of these subscribe/unsubscribe messages posted to the list lately. I'll still wave to you. Rubber side down. Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 11:59:46 1997 X-Sender: awillard@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:55:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Willard Subject: TO THE ADMINISTRATOR TO THE ADMINISTRATOR: unsubscribe dc-cycles I'm gone adios... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 12:25:49 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: TO THE ADMINISTRATOR Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:23:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT What a dork. He just doesn't get it. Horkster ---------- From: Alan Willard[SMTP:awillard@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 11:55 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: TO THE ADMINISTRATOR TO THE ADMINISTRATOR: unsubscribe dc-cycles I'm gone adios... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 12:39:19 1997 From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Attempted MC theft Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:38:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > From: Gil M. Nissley[SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Reply To: Gil M. Nissley > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 8:06 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Attempted MC theft > > Of course,you could always get a Buell.Noone wants them. :-P > > > You'll be amazed at what they steal. I once had an old CB750 parked in a garage pressed up against the wall. A car, Jaguar, was parked right up against it. The "super thief" had managed to steal the center stand. Bearing in mind that a Jaguar is too low to crawl under, it was wide enough to leave no room on either side of the garage to lift it by a jack, and there was no access from the top I still havn't figured out how "they" did it to this day. I know the car was not moved. Hudini? ...and all this for a center stand? Amit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 12:54:53 1997 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:48:16 -0700 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: New Speed Limit on I81 in WV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a fyi, the speed limit on I81 in WV has now been raised to 70 mph, perhaps a little more in line with the speeds people go on that road anyway, now if only Va,Md, and Pa would respond in kind. HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 3 14:43:04 1997 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 13:48:31 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: New Speed Limit on I81 in WV X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it was 65 mph before, that will make your stay in West Virginia 1 minute 43 seconds shorter. Every little bit helps. Ken Shephard wrote: > Just a fyi, the speed limit on I81 in WV has now been raised to 70 > mph, > perhaps a little more in line with the speeds people go on that road > anyway, now if only Va,Md, and Pa would respond in kind. > > HDKnight From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 4 08:58:43 1997 From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:57:47 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe Barbelle14@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 4 09:52:15 1997 From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:51:30 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike alarms Jon had an alarm on his Ninja - it still disappeared without a trace out of a very nice neighborhood (His old one - don't panic, guys) in Fairfax - about 2.5 years ago. Now we have a GARAGE! Hopefully this will work better.... Sharon in Arizona! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 4 10:43:40 1997 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "'Loupil'" , "Akers, Philip" , annie mundy , baldwin2 , baretta , Berri Reminick , Biker413@XXXXXX, "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Maggs , Bill Schmidt , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , botcher2 , "'Bryan T. Douglas'" , BWEINER , chris kleponis , chris norloff , Clark Dorman , "Jones, William COL - G3" , "Collin T. Fagan" , conteh , curtis hintze , dale coyner , Daniel Dutch , Dark Hacker , Dave Nunn , dave otis , Dave Strout , "'david silver'" , "Mantei, Debra, SFC, OSD/C3I +" , "'dennis hughs'" , Doug Bellomo , "'drew cooper'" , Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, erica rosen , frank supik , gcraddoc , HDWarp80 , herb manell , hugh maher , jae , james w carr , jckozyn@XXXXXX, Jeff Poretsky , "'Jeffrey Berkin'" , jimb , jimi , Joe Snider , john claman , john schaaf , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , jrduffy@XXXXXX, judy soukup , Ken Bour , larry wilson , linda tanner , louis betancourt , louis caplan , mackinto , Mark Elledge , Matt Elliott - DIGEX , "'matt farina'" , matt hayes , Matthew Ducey , Michael Dow , "'Mike Lee'" , Morris Berman , mxc11@XXXXXX, nicholsn@XXXXXX, "Paul A. Douglas" , "Paul W. Wisneskey" , pdenno , "Perry D. Coleman" , peter soukup , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, Robert M Darden , sae pak , scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , Stephan Lee , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, "sbeck@XXXXXX" , steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "Osidach, Vera Z." , "w.r. ohara" , "McLoone, William J." , dc-cycles Subject: Ron Major X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e For those that have any interest in the latest news concerning the death of Iron Butt Rally contestant Ron Major, read Bob Higdons 8th day write-up at: http://208.197.89.67/97ibr16.html Out of respect to the IBR copyrights and Bobs property, I did not just cut and paste. Speculation of the circumstances have been somewhat reserved due to the lack of evidence. Some main points to consider though are that Rons body was found beyond a guard rail for more than the width of a single interstate lane, and 1/4 mile from his bike. His bike was found 1/4 mile downstream propped against the rail and missing the key. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 4 17:44:13 1997 From: To: Subject: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:41:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 58 TEXT For your enjoyment.... Horkster >>> A BILL TO REGULATE THE HUNTING AND HARVESTING OF ATTORNEYS >>> >>> 372.01 - Any person with a valid California state rodent or deer hunting license may also hunt and harvest attorneys for recreational and sporting (non-commercial) purposes. >>> >>> 372.02 - Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. The use of United States currency as bait is, however, prohibited. >>> 372.03 - The willful killing of attorneys with a motor vehicle is prohibited, unless such vehicle is an ambulance being driven in reverse. If an attorney is accidentally struck by a motor vehicle, the dead attorney should be removed to the roadside and the vehicle should proceed to the nearest car wash. >>> >>> 372.04 - It is unlawful to chase, herd, or harvest attorneys from a power boat, helicopter, or fixed-wing aircraft. >>> >>> 372.05 - It is unlawful to shout "Whiplash!", "Ambulance!"' or "Free Scotch!" for the purpose of trapping attorneys. >>> >>> 372.06 - It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within one hundred (100) yards of BMW, Porsche, or Mercedes dealerships, except on Wednesday afternoons. >>> >>> 372.07 - It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within two hundred (200) yards of courtrooms, law libraries, health clubs, country clubs, or hospitals. No fair, that's their stompin' grounds! >>> >>> 372.08 - If an attorney gains elective office, it is not necessary to have a license to hunt, trap, or possess same. >>> >>> 372.09 - It is unlawful for a hunter to wear a disguise as a reporter, accident victim, physician, chiropractor or tax accountant for the purpose of hunting attorneys. >>> >>> 372.10 - Bag Limits Per Day: >>> >>> Yellow Bellied Sidewinder: 2 >>> Two-Faced Tortfeasors: 1 >>> Back-Stabbing Divorce Litigators: 3 >>> Horn Rimmed Cut-Throats: 2 >>> Honest Attorneys: PROTECTED (ENDANGERED SPECIES) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 01:02:05 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:00:40 -0400 From: Pete X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbr@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list , Honda CB-1 mailing list Subject: Re: [CBR] MD/DC/VA/WV area riders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donald DiPaula wrote: > i'm heading up to summit point raceway (west of charles town, w.v.) this > weekend to cornerwork the races (WERA regional sprints); who wants to go up > with me? In my case its down (Pittsburgh) , and I'll probably be caging it . However , barring the the ever dredded pager goinng off , I hope to meet any listers there around 7am sat. morning . Enjoy the ride enough for me (sniff sniff) the poor idiot who became a slave to a pager . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 10:46:53 1997 From: To: Subject: Sharon has gone west: was FW: AZ conditions Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:43:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT Just a note from one of our own, Sharon, known to the list as Barbelle14@XXXXXX. She and her SO have happily relocated to the beatiful riding countryside in Arizona. Sigh. Maybe I'll get out there someday... Horkster ---------- From: Barbelle14@XXXXXX[SMTP:Barbelle14@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 05, 1997 10:11 AM To: Horstman, Dale R @ MAN Subject: AZ conditions Dale - Thanks - just sent it off. There are TONS of bikes out here - so many, in fact, that bikers don't notice or wave to each other. Jon waved at one and got a finger back! :-( The only riding group we've found so far is sponsored by a dealership, and they charge for membership. That's the bad news - good news is that there's a biker two doors down we haven't had a chance to talk to, and Jon met a buddy with the same Ninja. They've been out a little together. Roads are flat, WIDE, and straight, in town. Drivers are sane. It's almost a shock after the Beltway, :-) North of town, of course, are the twisties through the mountains - unbeliveably beautiful. We're going on a LOOOOOOOng ride tomorrow - can't wait. Feel free to forward this to the group if you think anyone cares! Thanks again! We miss all you guys already! Sharon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 12:35:29 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:35:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale: Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by this type of scapegoat "humor." The fact is that no lawyer acts against his client's wishes in deciding to sue someone. I agree we're an over-litigious society, but the blame for that rightly rests with the people who choose to sue, not the lawyers who serve them. I know it's easy to make disparaging remarks about what is, at least to me, an honorable and honest profession. Lawyers are considered, by some (and certainly by your message), as "fair game." Please consider that it's equally easy for the general public to scapegoat motorcyclists as a bunch of lawless jerks. To continue this type of prejudicial stereotyping for your own or others amusement should not be done without at least the conscious knowledge that your "humor" is being done at somebody else's expense. I am protesting this in the same manner I would protest someone on any cage list posting a "humor" message about hunting motorcyclists. It may seem harmless to you, but both types of messages contribute to a continued and unjustified erosion of the public image of both motorcyclists and lawyers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 12:44:08 1997 From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'bandit-talk@XXXXXX'" , "'suzuki-l@XXXXXX'" Subject: Interesting Web Site Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:44:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found the web site of a company that I visited about a year ago in NJ, and thought they had some interesting products. They import Japanese bikes directly from Japan. i.e. NSR250's, CBR250RR's, Bandit 400 v (Non-faired). There are some nice people working for them & if you are looking for a different bike this would be *the* place to find it. http://www.bikelife.com/ --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 13:19:07 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:19:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) In-Reply-To: <341034E4.150C@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by this type >of scapegoat "humor." The fact is that no lawyer acts against his >client's wishes in deciding to sue someone. I agree we're an >over-litigious society, but the blame for that rightly rests with the >people who choose to sue, not the lawyers who serve them. It takes two to tango -- a whining plaintiff and an opportunistic lawyer. Lawyers (or attorneys, as we like to call them when we praise them) are basically good or bad depending on whether they're helping you or not. I like civil liberties lawyers, many consumer rights lawyers, and lawyers like the ones who broke the famous Ford Pinto "it's-cheaper-to-kill-our-customers-than-to-fix-the-car" problem. I hate lawyers like the ones working for tobacco companies, who use their attorney-client priviledge to conceal evidence that tobacco companies were knowingly killing their customers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 13:43:36 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:35:48 -0400 Tony wrote: >Dale: > > Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by this type >of scapegoat "humor." The fact is that no lawyer acts against his >client's wishes in deciding to sue someone. I agree we're an >over-litigious society, but the blame for that rightly rests with the >people who choose to sue, not the lawyers who serve them. > I know it's easy to make disparaging remarks about what is, at least to >me, an honorable and honest profession. Lawyers are considered, by some >(and certainly by your message), as "fair game." Please consider that >it's equally easy for the general public to scapegoat motorcyclists as a >bunch of lawless jerks. To continue this type of prejudicial >stereotyping for your own or others amusement should not be done without >at least the conscious knowledge that your "humor" is being done at >somebody else's expense. > I am protesting this in the same manner I would protest someone on any >cage list posting a "humor" message about hunting motorcyclists. It may >seem harmless to you, but both types of messages contribute to a >continued and unjustified erosion of the public image of both >motorcyclists and lawyers. Man-o-Man is this flame bait. I'll try and be gentle with the torch. Your general premise seems to be that lawyers take no part in a potential clients decision process to sue. The assertion that no lawyer acts against his client's wishes in deciding to sue someone is just too general. It is gratuitous, and therefore may be gratuitously denied. Consider it done. I think it would be clearer to say that a lawyer acts in his own behalf by agreeing to sue someone on the behalf of his client. After all, the client is the bread and butter. Some of those late night adds for "you gotta phone, you gotta lawyer" seem geared to sway the decision process, don't they? I agree with you that the law profession at one time used to be "an honorable and honest profession" - generally. These days though, there are just too many two bit lawyers just twitching to make a name for themselves at anothers detriment. Johnny Cochran, and his 'dream team' comes to mind. Any politition will do. The problem is our system. We need tort reform. Make the law such that if you bring suit against me and lose, you pay all costs I've incurred to defend myself and you pay the court fees. But that would put alot of lawyers out of business, so do you think they are interested in changing the system? 70% of the worlds lawyers (a majority in the U.S.) are in the right market to 'ka-ching'- cash in. But of these, I would argue that there is a minority that really would like to see tort reform occur meeting opposition all over the system. As for the analogy to scapegoat motorcyclists...oh well. Most humor is at anothers expense, which at times is too bad. Deal with it. I personnaly don't feel threatened by someone making jokes about motorcyclists being "fair game" (probably because I already feel like "fair game" on the road). However, if I really believed that someone were not joking, then it would be time to document and let the local authority know about it. And if that didn't work, I'd sue 'em ;-) Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:02:46 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:59:34 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <341034E4.150C@ix.netcom.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 125fYs00001Of ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ...funny..since I know several lawyers that think the reason their profession has such bad publicity is because THEY caused it themselves and have no one to blame BUT themselves...some of the best lawyer jokes I've heard was from lawyers themselves... ..there are alot of good lawyers out there no doubt, however there are also alot of lawyers out there that care more for the bottom dollar than their clients interest...(this incidently was quoted right from a corporate lawyer friend of mine). either way...comparing a motorcyclist to a lawyer is ridiculous, one takes a few hours of instruction (formal or informal) to get a license (that motorcyclists btw), and the other requires years of formal education followed by a certification process to obtain their "license"...just about any lawyer can ride a motorcycle however not every motorcyclist is a lawyer.. anyway..I digress...let's just drop it and take the humor for what it was..humor...and lighten up for gods sake... cheers, -aki > Dale: > > Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by this type > of scapegoat "humor." The fact is that no lawyer acts against his > client's wishes in deciding to sue someone. I agree we're an > over-litigious society, but the blame for that rightly rests with the > people who choose to sue, not the lawyers who serve them. > > I know it's easy to make disparaging remarks about what is, at least to > me, an honorable and honest profession. Lawyers are considered, by some > (and certainly by your message), as "fair game." Please consider that > it's equally easy for the general public to scapegoat motorcyclists as a > bunch of lawless jerks. To continue this type of prejudicial > stereotyping for your own or others amusement should not be done without > at least the conscious knowledge that your "humor" is being done at > somebody else's expense. > > I am protesting this in the same manner I would protest someone on any > cage list posting a "humor" message about hunting motorcyclists. 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The people who choose to sue are the ones that developed this over-litigious society. The politicians, judges, lawyers and law enforcement agencies had nothing to do with the creation of this system. They all just sat back and let the general public set it up the way they saw fit. >I know it's easy to make disparaging remarks about what is, at least >to me, an honorable and honest profession. Lawyers are considered, >by some >(and certainly by your message), as "fair game." Please consider that >it's equally easy for the general public to scapegoat motorcyclists as a >bunch of lawless jerks. To continue this type of prejudicial >stereotyping for your own or others amusement should not be done without >at least the conscious knowledge that your "humor" is being done at >somebody else's expense. A lot of humor is done at somebody else's expense. IT'S WHAT MAKES IT FUNNY!!! >I am protesting this in the same manner I would protest someone on >any cage list posting a "humor" message about hunting motorcyclists. >It may >seem harmless to you, but both types of messages contribute to a >continued and unjustified erosion of the public image of both >motorcyclists and lawyers. If you can't laugh at yourself, why don't you just stay home, turn your computer off, turn your televisions and radios off, have your phone disconnected and insulate yourself from the rest of the world while the rest of us continue on and laugh at whatever we like. Does anyone have any more lawyer jokes they would like to share? I would love to hear them. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:38:11 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e <> lighten up for gods sake... cheers, -aki My sentiments exactly! The world has gotten a lot heavier with political correctness and over-sensitivity. Lighten up everyone! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:41:19 1997 From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:40:37 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: mailing list list? Hey, y'all- Anybody have the address of the web page with the list of all mc-related mailing lists like this one? Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:50:30 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:54:10 -0400 Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >just about any lawyer can ride a >motorcycle however not every motorcyclist is a lawyer.. I doubt that just about any lawyer could ride a motorcycle. There just aren't enough public safety warning labels pasted on the bike to make them comfortable enough to throw their leg over the seat. And don't you know that it's the general public who go around suing everyone that are responsible for the creation of those labels, not the corporate lawyer's that the motorcycle manufacturers keep on staff. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:54:35 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:53:26 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: mailing list list? To: KLThomas77 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1416IZW37KNR X400-MTS-identifier: [;62354150907991/1937974@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Anybody have the address of the web page with the list of all >mc-related mailing lists like this one? How about: http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/lists.html There ya go, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:57:31 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:57:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "M.P. Tolocka" Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) > > And if that didn't work, I'd sue 'em ;-) > Bravo! Michael P. Tolocka 1990 CeeBeeOne AMA#608333 _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 14:59:35 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:58:50 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (now it's moto-related) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I ought not tell the one Dad used to suggest for entertainment at Sturgis (I'm originally from South Dakota). But I will anyway. If they fence a few hundred thousand acres in western South Dakota, they could have folks pay a deposit for a shotgun, and enter the fenced in area with only the shotgun and their own motorcycle. At the end of a period of time, folks would be allowed to leave the fenced in area and get a return on their deposit for each shotgun they turned in. Any additional motorcycles they bring out, they would be allowed to keep. This should be done before the actual rally at Sturgis, that way they would have some good stories to tell, and the rally wouldn't be quite so crowded. It's a joke, neither this bill nor the lawyer one has any chance at passing. The same people who insist we wear helmets will insist that these bills will be too expensive because they feel obligated to provide medical care for injured motorcyclists and lawyers. Leon. Todd B Peer wrote: > On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:35:48 -0400 Tony wrote: > >Dale: > > > > Please don't think I'm overly-sensitive, but I am offended by > this type > >of scapegoat "humor." > As for the analogy to scapegoat motorcyclists...oh well. Most > humor is at anothers expense, which at times is too bad. Deal > with > it. I personnaly don't feel threatened by someone making jokes > about > motorcyclists being "fair game" (probably because I already feel > like > "fair game" on the road). However, if I really believed that > someone > were not joking, then it would be time to document and let the > local > authority know about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:08:45 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mailing list list? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Try: http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ Todd From: KLThomas77@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:40:37 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: mailing list list? Hey, y'all- Anybody have the address of the web page with the list of all mc-related mailing lists like this one? Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:09:07 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 15:11:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) In-Reply-To: <85256509.00670ED6.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 9/5/97 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > >>just about any lawyer can ride a >>motorcycle however not every motorcyclist is a lawyer.. > >I doubt that just about any lawyer could ride a motorcycle. There just >aren't enough public safety warning labels pasted on the bike to make >them comfortable enough to throw their leg over the seat. How about lawyer Jay Block, former MSF-certified instructor in Maryland, who defends motorcyclists hit by Brain Dead Cagers? How about lawyer Thomas McGrath, who lead the Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists and their fight to get motorcycles into HOV lanes in Virginia? And now he's leading a fight against establishments who discriminate against customers clothes (like "biker gear"). As with most things, there are multiple parts to consider. Yes, there are lawyer-scum who will take any case to win it, whether or not it's moral or ethical. And there's a lot of lawyers who fight those lawyer-scum, who fight the whining plaintiffs who blame others for their own mistakes, and who fight the greedy corporations who care more for their customers' money than for their customers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:09:28 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:05:14 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Cc: "Aki.Damme" To: sbeck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256509.00670ED6.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 125h3l00003rv ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ..hmmm..come to think of it I *don't* know a single lawyer that rides a motorcycle...so I recind my last statement! ;-) cheers, -aki > X-Lotus-Fromdomain: ISI > > > >just about any lawyer can ride a > >motorcycle however not every motorcyclist is a lawyer.. > > I doubt that just about any lawyer could ride a motorcycle. There just > aren't enough public safety warning labels pasted on the bike to make > them comfortable enough to throw their leg over the seat. > > And don't you know that it's the general public who go around suing > everyone that are responsible for the creation of those labels, not the > corporate lawyer's that the motorcycle manufacturers keep on staff. > > Steve Beck > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:10:04 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:07:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT, 41 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Does anyone have any more lawyer jokes they would like to share? I would love to hear them.< Dateline: Washington, D.C. A group of terrorists have taken over the Willard Hotel where the American Bar Association is hosting a conference. 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I would > love to hear them.< ------------------------------------------------------------------- A fellow walks into a bar with a ten-inch, scowling man on his shoulder. He orders a drink. The little man jumps off the shoulder, drinks a third of the drink and climbs back up. The fellow then orders a sandwich. The little man likewise devours a third of the sandwich. After this goes on for two more drinks, the bartender says, "Hey buddy, I don't usually pry into customers' private affairs, but what the heck is it with that little guy?" The customer replies, "Well, I found a bottle on the beach. When I uncorked it, out popped a genie. He gave me one wish. I asked for a 10-inch prick, and the genie shrunk my lawyer!" --------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 15:48:53 1997 From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [CBR] MD/DC/VA/WV area riders Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:41:59 -0400 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 34 TEXT Alright, you Va riders. Who's going to Summit Point and when??? Let's meet up somewhere. I don't think I'm going to work any, so I'm not going to be riding at the crack o dawn. Anyone else??? Let's get organized. (it's contrary to my nature, too). LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze wanting to see the real squidly folks on a real track -----Original Message----- From: Pete [SMTP:petec@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 05, 1997 1:01 AM To: cbr@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX; DC Cycles mailing list; Honda CB-1 mailing list Subject: Re: [CBR] MD/DC/VA/WV area riders Donald DiPaula wrote: > i'm heading up to summit point raceway (west of charles town, w.v.) this > weekend to cornerwork the races (WERA regional sprints); who wants to go up > with me? In my case its down (Pittsburgh) , and I'll probably be caging it . However , barring the the ever dredded pager goinng off , I hope to meet any listers there around 7am sat. morning . Enjoy the ride enough for me (sniff sniff) the poor idiot who became a slave to a pager . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 16:17:19 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 97 16:11:05 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: MD/DC/VA/WV area riders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright you people that are kinda south of Summit Point... you all might already have a route planned - but if you don't, and you're looking for a relitivly direct route up there.. I would suggest that you find your way to Leesburg, just past Leesburg on Rt7, you'll find a turn off for Rt 9 to Charles Town.. you'll fins yourself rideing through about 1 mile of perfect 50mph (motorcycle speed) corners at Hillsborrow, WV. After you hit Charles Town, it's easy enough... it's the route I always take up when I'm working. Anyway, hope everyone has a great weekend... don't forget the suntan lotion. It plans to be a beautiful race weekend (highs in the low 70's!!!!) Ride safe everyone.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 5 17:11:38 1997 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Quick Answer Please X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Before I leave work (5:30pm). Is there any significant difference between one DOT5 fluid (say Yamaha) and another (say Honda). If the answer is NO, you will save me an out of way trip home tonight :)) I should probably know the answer, but am a victem of corporate advertising.....grumble..get my lawyer on the phone!!! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 6 16:17:25 1997 From: "john thomas" To: Subject: new address Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:13:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, y'all- I have a new address, klthomas@XXXXXX Formerly klthomas77@XXXXXX AT&T seems ok so far, and AOL sucks. Same price, but if Arlington is long distance for you, then AT&T is probably a bad idea for now. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 7 23:09:50 1997 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:53:52 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Quick Answer Please To: Todd B Peer cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <19970905211021.AAA27815@localHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > Is there any significant difference between one DOT5 fluid (say > Yamaha) and another (say Honda). Just a word of caution to everyone;there is more than one kind of DOT 5.Regular DOT 5 is silicon-based and I think Harley/Buell are the only ones who use it as standard.There is now also a new DOT 5.# that is a newer version of the old DOT 3&4.Mixing the two will degrade your seals and cause the formation of 'sludge' that will clog up your passages. As far as brand names are concerned,brake fluid is pretty much like oil,coolent,etc.As long as the number is the same,they're compatible and the only difference is quality. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 8 01:52:23 1997 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 01:51:10 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Organization: DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , kawasaki_temp Subject: New Gadgets... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got some new gadgets for the scoot this past week. I bought a Ventura Bike-Pack system from Art Crow at Riders Acc Warehouse for my Zephyr 750. What a neat system! The bag(s) sit behind you out of the airstream. And you can zip two bag together to get up to 88 liters capacity. The system with hardware and a 44-liter bag came to around $231 US. For a pic, goto http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~norton/moto/ventura.html I also picked up an Arai NR3 helmet for the girlfriend over at (cough) Coleman. I couldn't pass it up: I had a 20%-off coupon that brought it in line with mail order prices - about $280 US. For $20 more, I had the top and rear vents put on. I'm jealous! It's quite a nice helmet. Probably a whole lot quieter (and cooler) than my Shoei DuoTec. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX One DIGEX Plaza Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 8 04:03:03 1997 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 03:52:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: FW: A Bill (non-moto related) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970905174244.AAA13544@localHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > I think it would be clearer to say that a lawyer acts in his own > behalf by agreeing to sue someone on the behalf of his client. > After all, the client is the bread and butter. Some of those late > night adds for "you gotta phone, you gotta lawyer" seem geared > to sway the decision process, don't they? Why is it the only ads you see early in the morning are 976-heavy- breathing,psychic friends,or lawyers?Makes you wonder... My favorite lawyer ad was the one where the guy actually said that he went for the highest settlements because the more money he got for you,the more money he would get.Truth in advertising from a lawyer,will wonders ever cease? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 8 11:16:44 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Phone # Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:15:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have the phone number for the cycle salvage place in Baltimore handy? I think it is called (obviously) Baltimore Cycle Salvage? TIA, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 8 22:06:19 1997 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:06:54 -0400 To: DC-Cycles List , EX500 List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Sturges wins at Summit (so does Summers) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rich wins Clubman while posting lowest EX500 lap times. Perfect racing conditions on Sunday, September 7th, allowed Rich Sturges to post a personal best lap time of 1:26.4 while winning the Clubman race at Summit Point Raceway. In Lightweight Twins Rich and Brian Summers had an exciting 8-lap battle for the lead, which Brian won by less than a bike length. here are the excrutiating details.... Although Rich had previously decided to skip this WERA event, the bike was still loaded in the truck from last weekM-^Rs Pocono outing and predictions of perfect weather were too enticing. Saturday morning Rich renew his license, signed up for three lightweight races and setup pit with Brian Summers. The first practice went smoothly but an unexpected rain shower delayed things and the second practice set was far slower than a full speed prelude to the late afternoon race. While the riders waited patiently for their 20 lap mini-endurance, last race of the day, the weather returned to the sunny delight that had been promised. The field showed 44 bikes on the grid and Rich had to start from the back of the second wave. His assault started with an excellent launch and was into the tail of the first wave headed into turn three when the EX sputtered, then died. Hand up to avoid getting run over by those heM-^Rd just passed, Rich thought back to the only thing that had been done to the bike since morning practice; the fuel petcock had been turned from M-^QmainM-^R to M-^QreserveM-^R. Flicking this back to M-^QmainM-^R had him going again, but he was by then near the back of the entire field. Determined, maybe even a little angry, he quickly worked back up to the top ten, dicing for several laps with 125 rider Mark Andy. The EX was able to power past the diminutive GP bike down the straight, but Mark was able to sail through the infield and eventually disappeared in a sea of lapped traffic. Rich pressed forward, passing dozens of backmarkers per lap, until lap eighteen when MarkM-^Rs leathers were once again in sight. Driving hard out of turn nine Rich was closing the gap, certain of his ability to overtake until the EX sputtered. Flicking the petcock to M-^QreserveM-^R proved just a futile as it was at the beginning of the race, and the bike soon died; a quart of gas still in the tank but none in the carbs. Watching the remaining two laps from the turn one cornerstation, Rich thought about the $95 that Mark won for his fifth place finish. Brian took his RGV250 to a solid third place for a $170 purse. The clogged petcock was cleaned out and more fuel was added before heading out for Sunday morning practice. The day showed excellent promise as both the weather and the track were warming quickly. In the second practice sets both Rich and Brian were turning 1:27 - 1:28 lap times. Clubman was up after lunch, and the weather was indeed perfect; warm and sunny enough for good traction yet cool enough that the engines could find plenty of oxygen. The 125 GP race was run simultaneously and the eight GP racers were given a five second headstart before the Clubman bikes took off. Rich was the second bike into turn one and the first rider into turn three. From that point it was man again track; Rich had his head down and the never looked back. Picking off all but one of the 125s, Rich used the clear track to set a string of 1:26 laps, the lowest being his new personal best of 1:26.4. Unfortunately the race was shortened to six laps when Mark AndyM-^Rs brake rotor exploded, but thatM-^Rs another story. Brian took second after a slow start; his two stroke had developed a intermittent stumble. BrianM-^Rs bike stumbled only once in their second race, however, and Rich and Brian battled it out for the whole Lightweight Twins race, turning 26s and 27s from start to finish. Never separated by more than two bike lengths, Brian held the advantage in turns 5-6-7-8 but Rich could recover in 2-3 and 10, and down the final section of the front straight. Swapping the lead three times, it was Brian-Rich at the checkered, with both riders feeling like a winner after such a satisfying weekend. PS- MarkM-^Rs story went like this: The brake disk on MarkM-^Rs RS125 exploded going into turn one. He survived the long ride through gravel and field to the skid pad, then decided to rejoin the race and cruise for last-place points. Unfortunately the disk pieces had punctured his radiator, and his wet tire tossed him as soon as he hit the paint in turn three, breaking his left wrist. Bummer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 16:43:43 1997 From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Please Add Me to Your List... Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:40:53 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain My name's Jeannette & I just got an '85 Interceptor VF 500 three weeks ago. I'd love the chance to meet other riders. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 17:04:58 1997 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:03:10 -0400 From: "Perry D. Coleman" Subject: 83 Nighthawk 650 for sale. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (436.3 7-23-1997)) id 8525650D.0073F42F ; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:06:31 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK 1983 Honda CB650SC Nighthawk. 14,300 original miles. Shaft drive sporting standard. Good all-around bike. Excellent mechanical, very good cosmetic condition. Garage kept. All original. $1,500/obo. This is my wife's bike. She's driven it very gently. Now she wants a new one, so this one must go! Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 17:22:09 1997 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:23:28 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: VA Reckless Ticket ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all Can anyone shed any light on the ramifications of a reckless driving charge in VA? Is the rationale x mph over the limit or is there a magic number one should never exceed? What is the minimum a judge would impose? Is a liar, I mean lawyer ;) recommended? And, has anyone ever beaten one of these? TIA, (I'm asking for a friend in case anyone's wondering...) J (Don't ask; won't tell) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 17:38:03 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:35:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 33 TEXT >From what I've heard, if you exceed the posted speed limit by 20 mph, they slap on an automatic reckless driving charge in VA. Period. No arguments. Because of the target-rich environment in the Northern Virginia area, I don't think cops even bother with you unless you are near this 20+ over the limit, it's not worth their time, revenue-wise. Horkster (knocking on wood, REAL LOUDLY, too!) ---------- From: John C. Kozyn[SMTP:jckzoyn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 8:23 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: VA Reckless Ticket ? Hey y'all Can anyone shed any light on the ramifications of a reckless driving charge in VA? Is the rationale x mph over the limit or is there a magic number one should never exceed? What is the minimum a judge would impose? Is a liar, I mean lawyer ;) recommended? And, has anyone ever beaten one of these? TIA, (I'm asking for a friend in case anyone's wondering...) J (Don't ask; won't tell) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 18:26:31 1997 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:18:43 -0700 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its - 6 points and costly if it actually goes on your record as reckless. Definitely go to court and at the minimum try a plea on 19 over -4 points, but its no reckless, and driving school is good for +5. you didnt say what jurisdiction it happened in, some places have more lenient judges than others. In some , above is the best youll get. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 18:43:22 1997 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:41:33 -0400 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "John C. Kozyn" Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Delurking . . . John and fellow list readers: I can't respond to the questions about what is SOP in Virginia, but the following links give some good advice about speeding tickets and fighting them. The basic premise of the second link is that 90% of the cases that are contested (with or without a lawyer) result in acquittal or a reduced fine. http://www.nashville.net/speedtrap/radar.html http://www.motorists.com/Tickets/ticket1.htm My own experience (FWIW): While in college in Florida I got a reckless driving ticket on my bike--girl friend on back; stopped by a redneck rookie who got within one foot of my rear fender with lights but no siren before I saw him and pulled over; thrown against cop car, frisked, and handcuffed, and accused of trying to elude; subsequently released after, it seemed, every cop/sheriff/trooper in the county stopped by to see what the major bust was and, I imagine, told the rookie that he might have over reacted. I was taking a constitutional law course at the time so I decided to put some of book learnin' to the test. I requested and was granted a jury trial--I knew what my chances were in traffic court. I got a redneck public defender who took an instant dislike to his long-haired, college-student client. My defense was the list of questions to ask me and my girl friend on the stand that I gave him when he walked into court on the trial date. In summary, my argument was that I was speeding, but that it would be difficult to commit "willful and wanton endangerment of persons and property"--the Florida reckless driving definition-- on a motorcycle seeing that the rider and his bike are the ones constantly endangered by cagers. Of course it didn't hurt that some of my questions for my girl friend focused on the "almost being run over by the cop, thrown against cop car, frisking and handcuffing" aspects of the incident and her breaking into tears while recalling these details on the witness stand. The result was a "not guilty" from my jury of six. (In Florida they only use juries of twelve for capital offenses.) I might add that most of the jury consisted of local, older, redneck types. Good luck to "your friend". ----------------------------------------------- John C. Kozyn wrote: > Hey y'all > > Can anyone shed any light on the ramifications of a reckless driving > charge in VA? Is the rationale x mph over the limit or is there a magic > number one should never exceed? > > What is the minimum a judge would impose? > > Is a liar, I mean lawyer ;) recommended? > > And, has anyone ever beaten one of these? > > TIA, > > (I'm asking for a friend in case anyone's wondering...) > > J (Don't ask; won't tell) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 22:47:56 1997 X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 22:48:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The result was a "not guilty" from my jury of six. (In Florida they only >use juries of twelve for capital offenses.) I might add that most of the >jury consisted of local, older, redneck types. > GOD BLESS US REDNECKS :) _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 9 23:20:44 1997 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:04:07 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3415E880.4FDB@mnsinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think the 'automatic for 20 over' is correct.I got tagged for 20 over/reckless a few years ago by a VA state trooper.The thing that pissed me off was my speedo said 74,and given the % of error I was prolly only doing about 72.The cop tagged me for 76 and there was no way she could've paced me(the ticket said she did).I made the mistake of answering the question "do you know how fast you were going?" and she bumped it up 2mph. You might want to tell your friend to look into a lawyer.When I went to court,as soon as the cop said 'motorcycle',the judge didn't want to hear any excuses.Fortunately,the points never wound up on my record(my license is from PA). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 00:06:47 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Same topic, different questions. I was in Rappahannock county last weekend and was caught in a county fund-raising trap: stop every vehicle on US 211 and check paperwork. High volume business: trolling for dollars. I didn't have current inspection; $55. My question: what are the consequences to my Va license and Va registration if I don't pay up? Non-renewal? (almost certainly) What about arrest warrant---will any other county bother to enforce this? (I don't plan to visit charming Washington, Va. again.) --garcia BTW, I'm not always or necessarily a scofflaw---but I resent their approach to raising money. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 00:13:02 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:12:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: Garcia Oliver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? In-Reply-To: X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Eventually the fine will be removed from your va state income tax return refund. It will also be listed as an outstanding on your next violation, which will not fare well in the officer letting you go the next time. -pierre On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Garcia Oliver wrote: > Same topic, different questions. > > I was in Rappahannock county last weekend and was caught in a > county fund-raising trap: stop every vehicle on US 211 and check > paperwork. High volume business: trolling for dollars. I didn't have > current inspection; $55. > > My question: what are the consequences to my Va license and Va > registration if I don't pay up? Non-renewal? (almost certainly) What > about arrest warrant---will any other county bother to enforce this? (I > don't plan to visit charming Washington, Va. again.) > > --garcia > > BTW, I'm not always or necessarily a scofflaw---but I resent their > approach to raising money. > -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 06:36:43 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: Fw: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:33:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John- Apparently this didn't go through to your address. Kevin ---------- > From: kevin thomas > To: John C. Kozyn > Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? > Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 6:44 PM > > John- > > I can't say much about Va, but in NC, 20 over (or 75 mph, whichever comes > first) is automatic suspension. Lawyers are recommended, and usually get > a reduction, in my experience. > > Later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 07:39:57 1997 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'John C. Kozyn'" , "'garicao@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:39:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 54 TEXT John, I can shed some light on the Reckless charge in VA since I have been through one of these in the last year. One of my friends is a lawyer in Fairfax so I studied his book on VA traffic law. There are several different type of Reckless Driving charges in VA. Which one did your friend get? There is Reckless - Speed, Reckless - Failure to maintain control of vehicle, and a few others. With Reckless - Speed it is basically 20 MPH over the limit with the exception of the 80 rule. Anything over 80 MPH regardless of speed limit is considered Reckless Driving. Remember this next time your in that 65 MPH zone on I-95 and people are blowing by you while you are doing a pleasant 75. Reckless Driving in VA is a class 1 misdemeanor. In other words you COULD go to jail for up to 1 year and/or a maximum fine of $2500. Now I have never heard of anyone getting slapped for the maximums but its entirely up to the judge. My lawyer friend says there is one judge in Fairfax that if you are convicted for going over 90 he will send you to jail for a few days. Get a lawyer for sure. As someone else said its a six point ticket and doesn't look good if you have or want a security clearance. Most lawyers can usually get them reduced to improper driving. Improper driving is a BS charge. As far as points its equivalent to getting a 1-9 MPH over speeding ticket. A brother of one of my friends got a Reckless charge in Fairfax, went to court without a lawyer and the judge told him to come back after he got one. If your friend would like the name of my lawyer then let me know. He just got another friend of mine off a Reckless ticket. Garcia, I believe what someone said is correct. If you are expecting any kind of VA state tax income tax return they will keep taking it from there until its paid. This will include late fees, etc. Trust me, I tried this with an Arlington county parking ticket. I think if its a moving violation your drivers license will be suspended until the fines are paid. Not 100% sure on that but I know some unpaid charges will result in a suspension. I can't believe its up $55. It used to be $25 for dead inspection. Good luck Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >Can anyone shed any light on the ramifications of a reckless driving >charge in VA? Is the rationale x mph over the limit or is there a magic >number one should never exceed? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 08:11:02 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:10:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: kevin thomas > >> I can't say much about Va, but in NC, 20 over (or 75 mph, whichever comes >> first) is automatic suspension. Lawyers are recommended, and usually get >> a reduction, in my experience. > > >Kevin ... are you sure about that? > >I got pulled (in a cage) in NC for 79 in a 55. Result ----> $70 fine. >Shocked the hell out of me. I remember when I saw the lights, I looked at my >buddy in the passenger seat and said " This will cost me $100 if it costs me >a dime". No-reckless charge, but the points did make it back to my VA >license. Now, three years later, it is gone and I have a clean record again. > >Later, >chris > >FWIW, that NC state trooper was probably the nicest cop I have ever met. >However, he did do his job :-( >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 08:43:05 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:08:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? In-Reply-To: <3415E880.4FDB@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Can anyone shed any light on the ramifications of a reckless driving >charge in VA? Pretty serious. (Going by memory here) -- One more violation of any type can result in the loss of driving privileges. > Is the rationale x mph over the limit or is there a magic >number one should never exceed? 20 mph over is reckless. I think 80mph was automatic reckless, but that might have changed with the increase in speed limits. The definition has probably widened to encompass the kinds of things aggressive drivers do (tailgating, speeding, weaving, cutting people off -- or combinations of these acts). >What is the minimum a judge would impose? Unknown. With the aggressive driver problems and traffic problems (Fairfax County and Prince William County have the most traffic wrecks of any counties in the state) I don't think judges would be inclined to let much slide. >Is a liar, I mean lawyer ;) recommended? Probably. >And, has anyone ever beaten one of these? Probably. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 09:04:01 1997 From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: jcarver@XXXXXX Original-From: jcarver@XXXXXX To: Subject: VA Reckless Ticket LONG STORY Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:02:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too, was nailed in Washington, VA. However, it was not due to a Gestapo type stop. I was doing well over the posted speed limit of 55. He, (the officer), nailed me for 85 in a 55. I subsequently received a reckless driving ticket. I later found out through my lawyer that ANY speed above 80 m.p.h. is considered reckless as well as anything 20 mph over. I cooperated fully with the officer and didn't give him any "lip" and did everything he told me. At that time I didn't have my VA license yet and in NJ, ANY out of state violation is a 2 point offense. I promptly got my VA license because at the time, I didn't know if the reckless would suspend my NJ license or not. Anyway, I took a defensive driving course in NJ to get 2 points off my license there and my lawyer was able to talk to the prosecutor and get the charge reduced to improper driving and a $100 fine waived because I took the driving course. 3 points on the new VA license and did nothing to car/bike insurance. My advice, always go to trial instead of pleading guilty. Cost them as much time/money as possible. Usually the prosecutor will reduce the charge to move the case onward so he/she doesn't have spend any time on trying the case. My .02. Let me know if you have any questions. My question: How can the Police make unreasonable searches & seizures by stopping everyone & checking their paperwork? Also, how can the Police MAKE you sign a ticket/citation? Since when can you be locked up/arrested for something you refuse to sign because you don't agree? There's NO way these things can be constitutional. Can someone explain???!!!!!!! --John ---------- From: Thomas Piergallini[SMTP:elkrun.chantilly.va.us!pierre] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 12:13 AM To: Garcia Oliver Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Eventually the fine will be removed from your va state income tax return refund. It will also be listed as an outstanding on your next violation, which will not fare well in the officer letting you go the next time. -pierre On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Garcia Oliver wrote: > Same topic, different questions. > > I was in Rappahannock county last weekend and was caught in a > county fund-raising trap: stop every vehicle on US 211 and check > paperwork. High volume business: trolling for dollars. I didn't have > current inspection; $55. > > My question: what are the consequences to my Va license and Va > registration if I don't pay up? Non-renewal? (almost certainly) What > about arrest warrant---will any other county bother to enforce this? (I > don't plan to visit charming Washington, Va. again.) > > --garcia > > BTW, I'm not always or necessarily a scofflaw---but I resent their > approach to raising money. > -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 09:18:11 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:17:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoops! Sorry all ... that should have read 79 in a 65. Rest is accurate. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Meier, Christopher >Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 8:10 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: VA Reckless Ticket ? > >From: kevin thomas > >> I can't say much about Va, but in NC, 20 over (or 75 mph, whichever comes >> first) is automatic suspension. Lawyers are recommended, and usually get >> a reduction, in my experience. > > >Kevin ... are you sure about that? > >I got pulled (in a cage) in NC for 79 in a 55. Result ----> $70 fine. >Shocked the hell out of me. I remember when I saw the lights, I looked at my >buddy in the passenger seat and said " This will cost me $100 if it costs me >a dime". No-reckless charge, but the points did make it back to my VA >license. Now, three years later, it is gone and I have a clean record again. > >Later, >chris > >FWIW, that NC state trooper was probably the nicest cop I have ever met. >However, he did do his job :-( >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 09:23:46 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'jcarver@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: VA Reckless Ticket LONG STORY Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:22:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: jcarver@XXXXXX[SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 9:02 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: VA Reckless Ticket LONG STORY > >--snip-- >My question: How can the Police make unreasonable searches & seizures >by stopping everyone & checking their paperwork? I'll leave this one to a lawyer to interpret, since not even the Supreme Court can figure it out. :-) >Also, how can the Police MAKE you sign a ticket/citation? Since when >can you be locked up/arrested for something you refuse to sign because >you don't agree? There's NO way these things can be constitutional. > Can someone explain???!!!!!!! Sure. You are not signing that you committed the offense, you are only signing that you are acknowledging receipt of the piece of paper (ticket). It says right on there that it is not an admission of guilt. The signature is proof for the officer that he did give it to you incase you lose it/throw it away and deny ever receiving the ticket. Kind like how we say that "That parking ticket musta blown off my car, officer." Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 09:27:23 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:27:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John: I happen to be one of the "liars" to whom you refer, so weigh this advice accordingly. > Can anyone shed any light on the ramifications of a reckless driving > charge in VA? Ramifications? A lot is possible, from license suspension (60 days to 6 months), to jail time (up to one year!). Reckless driving is a class 1 misdemeanor. Actual penalty depends on if there's a conviction, more than one, etc. > Is the rationale x mph over the limit or is there a magic > number one should never exceed? > Neither. Can be just driving a vehicle over which you fail to exercise adequate control. No speeding need be involved. For example, driving a vehicle within the speed limit, but with faulty brakes, can result in a reckless driving citation. So can driving a vehicle, within the speed limit, but with obstructed vision. Generally, 20 mph over is what they call PRIMA FACIE evidence of reckless driving. This is a rebuttable presumption. The specific code section to which you should refer is: M-' 46.2-852 Reckless driving; general rule Irrespective of the maximum speeds permitted by law, any person who drives a vehicle on any highway recklessly or at a speed or in a manner so as to endanger the life, limb, or property of any person shall be guilty of reckless driving. > What is the minimum a judge would impose? > Depends on the Judge. He could dismiss it entirely. He could impose a fine and license suspension. He could send your friend to jail. > Is a liar, I mean lawyer ;) recommended? > Speaking from the "liar's" side of things, let me put it this way. The Judge is a lawyer too. If you show up without a lawyer, the message you're giving to that judge is this: "I don't think this situation is very serious, and I'm treating it in a casual manner." Believe me, you're much more likely than not to piss off that judge. This is his job, his livelihood, his vocation. He won't take kindly to anybody treating it in a cavalier fashion. Showing up without an attorney is basically asking for the maximum penalty. Also, your friend is better off making a plea bargain with the prosecutor; maybe pleading guilty to 19 mph over the limit. This would take it out of the "reckless driving" realm, into mere speeding. If your friend hires an attorney, it's much more likely that attorney will have some working relationship with the prosecutor, making a plea bargain more likely. > And, has anyone ever beaten one of these? > Yes, that happens. With a few more facts about the situation, maybe we could recommend a strategy. It's very unlikely to be dismissed, however. Reckless driving is taken seriously, and even more seriously now that we've had a rash of high-profile and fatal crashes. As you probably know, a young man was recently killed in DC by a dumptruck whose driver had multiple violations on his record. Judges read this stuff, and the last thing any of them want now is to go lightly on someone for reckless driving only to have that person turn up in the papers the next week. Your friend's best strategy is a clean record up to now, some evidence that his driving was not endangering anybody (including himself or herself), and a reasonable assurance to the judge that this was an abberation which will not happen again. Wish him good luck. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 09:40:20 1997 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:36:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Rottier.Amy" Subject: RE: VA Reckless Ticket ? {snipped helpful information about reckless driving charges and getting a lawyer} > I think if its a >moving violation your drivers license will be suspended until the fines >are paid. Not 100% sure on that but I know some unpaid charges will >result in a suspension. I am 100% sure. But, since my license is in MD, they only suspended its use in VA (if I were caught driving in VA, they would do whatever they do to someone who hasn't paid a reckless driving-speed ticket and had their license suspended). FWIW, I had intended to pay - the ticket was in my car (and my speedometer is measurably incorrect - about 8mph at 75 - and *not* in my favor), and I got it 4 mi before the NC state line (I had my radar detector in hand and was preparing for re-installation). When time passed and I didn't get a notice in the mail, I forgot about it (well, consciously). The next notice I got was that my license was suspended in VA. I soon sent them their *(^&^&%! money. BTW, it was ~82 in a 65. The cop explained that reckless driving was anything over 80. Amy *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Amy Elizabeth Rottier (Donovan), aka Platypus '83 Honda Shadow VT500 Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX '92 Taurus SHO MTX '70 Opel GT 1900 How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Two. One to hold the giraffe and the other to fill the bathtub with brightly colored machine tools. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 09:50:19 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:50:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Constitutional Law Again? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > > My question: How can the Police make unreasonable searches & seizures > by stopping everyone & checking their paperwork? John: The term "reasonable" is subjective. You didn't explain why you thought checking paperwork is unreasonable, but this basically takes us back to a prior thread about rights and privileges. You don't have a "right" to drive on highways. It's a privilege granted to you by the state; hence the need to be licensed. You "agree" to some restrictions in exchange for this privilege, either explicitly or implicitly. These agreements include obeying the law, keeping your vehicle properly registered and inspected, etc. What is a "reasonable" search and what is not turns on a "reasonable expectation of privacy." Put this way: How much privacy would a REASONABLE person expect in this situation. Courts have interpreted this to mean that when you are on the highway, you are on PUBLIC property, not private. Your reasonable expectation of privacy is less than, for example, in your living room. That is not to say you have NO expectation of privacy, which is why a policeman cannot search your entire car on a routine stop, but merely checking your papers to see if you're living up to your agreement has been deemed reasonable, hence not a Constitutional violation. > > Also, how can the Police MAKE you sign a ticket/citation? Since when > can you be locked up/arrested for something you refuse to sign because > you don't agree? There's NO way these things can be constitutional. > Can someone explain???!!!!!!! > --John > They can't MAKE you sign it. They can arrest you for not signing it though. Ticket signing is not an admission of anything, it's merely acknowledging that you've received the citation. Just like getting a UPS package; you sign to provide evidence that something was received. By signing, you're not admitting guilt or stating innocence; you're just saying "I received this." It's one of the things you implicitly agree to when you get your state-issued license. Like taking a breathalizer test. That is why they are Constitutional; the state is not FORCING you to agree to these things. If you don't want to do these things, forego the license. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 11:29:26 1997 X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:30:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket >Also, how can the Police MAKE you sign a ticket/citation? Since when >can you be locked up/arrested for something you refuse to sign because >you don't agree? There's NO way these things can be constitutional. > Can someone explain???!!!!!!! Signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt. It is confirmation of receipt of the ticket, just like FedEx asking you to sign. A friend of mine was stopped for some extremely minor BS - I forget exactly what - and when he was done signing the ticket, he threw the cop's shiny silver Parker pen into the woods. Let's just say it does *nothing good* for your chances of getting off in court, but it is really satisfying. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 12:23:42 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Sunday Poker Run Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:22:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is from a postcard mailed to me by the Potomac Area Road Riders (PARR). Hopefully PARR will not mind me posting this to the list :-) I will be there on a red RF900. Please come up and say Hi if you see me. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- PARR POKER RUN SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 14, 1997 This run begins at Fredericksburg Motorsports, 390 Kings Hwy (RTE 3), Fredericksburg, VA(540-899.9100). It ends at the Sign of the Whale in Loehmann's Plaza Shopping Center, in Falls Church, VA . Registration is 9:00 to 11:00am and is $7 for AMA members and $8 for non-AMA riders. The route is about 160 miles long and very scenic! >From Washington, take I-95 south to Fredericksburg. Take exit 130E (RTE 3 east) 5 miles to Fredericksburg Motor Sports on the right. For more information call 703.971.6844 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 12:57:31 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:48:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My question: How can the Police make unreasonable searches & seizures >by stopping everyone & checking their paperwork? Unreasonable applies to probable cause, and that's only if a person is singled out and stopped. Stopping everyone is allowed in cases like checking for drinking drivers. >Also, how can the Police MAKE you sign a ticket/citation? They can't. Of course, there's consequences. > Since when >can you be locked up/arrested for something you refuse to sign because >you don't agree? Since the police have no way of proving that the ticket was delivered to you. Besides, signing it is not an admission of guilt, or probably even an admission of the alleged facts. Now, if the officer says "Do you know how fast you were going?" and you tell him you were speeding, the officer can note that on the ticket and testify to it in court. > There's NO way these things can be constitutional. The Supreme Court would disagree. You're feeling the effects of the Reagan/Bush era ... congratulations. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 14:38:56 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:38:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "M.P. Tolocka" Subject: Constitutional Law Again? I was wondering why conservative liberterians can't stretch "the Pursuit of Happiness" as far as liberals have pushed "Promote the General Welfare". The line here is weird and arbitrary. Is it ok for me to walk on the public street? Sure. Is it ok for me to ride my bike on the public street? Sure. Is it all right for me to ride my motorcycle on the public street? Only if you jump through a few hoops. Oh yeah, it can be revoked at any time, especially from money hungry speed trapping towns. Now I know what you're thinking...Geez the difference is MOTORIZED transportation. But I can ride on public lands with other motorcyclists with my dirtbike without jumping through hoops (wouldn't that be fun though?) in the laborious bureaucratic gubbermint Department of Transportation. The question of course is: Do I have a right to move around as I see fit in my Pursuit of Happiness or is it a priviledge? By the way, I was wondering how President Reagan changed the laws in Virginia so everyone has to sign tickets now? _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 15:14:12 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Constitutional Law Again? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Man, it's not even Friday yet and the politics are-a-heatin up. on Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:38:26 "M.P. Tolocka" wrote: >I was wondering why conservative liberterians can't stretch "the Pursuit of >Happiness" as far as liberals have pushed "Promote the General Welfare". > >The line here is weird and arbitrary. >Is it ok for me to walk on the public street? Sure. As a pedestrian, you have 'right of way' and that is your privalidge, not your right. "Jay-walking" is a pedestrian offense. >Is it ok for me to ride my bike on the public street? Sure. As a cyclist, you have 'right of way' from cars but only marginally. Pedestrians have 'right of way' from you. You can be ticketed for operating your cycle in a dangerous way, and not obeying traffic signs. >Is it all right for me to ride my motorcycle on the public street? Only if >you jump through >a few hoops. If by hoops you mean licensing et.al., then I agree. The bureacrats never cease to find ways to tax. Using your examples, it just isn't worth going after peds. and cyclists (registering bicycles has been discussed in Fairfax Co. though...watchout). > >Oh yeah, it can be revoked at any time, especially from money hungry speed >trapping towns. > >Now I know what you're thinking...Geez the difference is MOTORIZED >transportation. >But I can ride on public lands with other motorcyclists with my dirtbike >without jumping >through hoops (wouldn't that be fun though?) in the laborious bureaucratic >gubbermint >Department of Transportation. > >The question of course is: Do I have a right to move around as I see fit in >my Pursuit of Happiness or is it a priviledge? You do, if you do it in your own privacy and on your own private property, or unless you can get a majority of the citizenry to agree with you. > >By the way, I was wondering how President Reagan changed the laws in >Virginia so everyone has to sign tickets now? Huh? >_Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 15:50:10 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:49:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "M.P. Tolocka" Subject: Constitutional Law Again? My mistake: I'm sure I meant "Secure the Blessings of Liberty" in my anger I got confused. I broke out my pocket Constitution, just to check. Technicalities: When is the last time someone got a ticket for jaywalking? Or riding a bike through the streets of DC unlawfully? However, you can bet that motorcyclists get ticketed all the time on technology not proven to work (i.e. Laser ranging). Suspensions: Municipalities can get your license revoked, though not directly. Speed traps that are set up as revenue generation machines in small towns can and will catch you. When you get ticketed for "speeding", or driving recklessly, the ticket adds "points" to your license. Enough points and your license is suspended or revoked in certain circumstances. The DOT Everyone I know loves the bloated bureaucracy when they're standing in line for hours waiting to pay $50 to register their vehicle, or renew their license. Gubbermint stinks. Mike Tolocka 1990 CeeBeeOne AMA#608333 _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 16:06:17 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:05:20 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M.P. Tolocka" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Constitutional Law Again? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit M.P. Tolocka wrote: > I was wondering why conservative liberterians can't stretch "the > Pursuit of > Happiness" as far as liberals have pushed "Promote the General > Welfare". > > The line here is weird and arbitrary. > Is it ok for me to walk on the public street? Sure. > Is it ok for me to ride my bike on the public street? Sure. Is it ok for me to ride my moped on the public street?Ok if I'm over 16 even if I don't have a driver's license Not ok if I'm over 16 and had a driver's license revoked. Not ok if I'm under 16. > Now I know what you're thinking...Geez the difference is MOTORIZED > transportation. Nah, see moped. > But I can ride on public lands with other motorcyclists with my > dirtbike > without jumping > through hoops (wouldn't that be fun though?) in the laborious > bureaucratic > gubbermint > Department of Transportation. Not everywhere. Bobby Unser was charged with a FELONY for getting lost on his snowmobile last winter and straying out of the area where he was allowed to be. > > > The question of course is: Do I have a right to move around as I see > fit in > my Pursuit of Happiness or is it a priviledge? It appears to be a privilege. Unless of course you only move around on your own private property. . . uh, never mind, in Fairfax County you have to have your car licensed, safety and emissions inspected, insured and have a county sticker even if you only drive it in your living room and the door is too small to remove it. > By the way, I was wondering how President Reagan changed the laws in > Virginia so everyone has to sign tickets now? I thought Reagan was one of those conservative libertarians . . . It was the liberal general welfare types who implemented helmet laws and licensing and intrusive police actions. ;-) I doubt you have to sign it, unless you'd like to be released without posting bail in the amount of the fine. > _Keep the shiny side up._ Greasy side up, bald side down. Shiny doesn't happen until about 10,000 miles past bald. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 16:12:14 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Constitutional Law Again? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:49:49 -0400 "M.P. Tolocka" wrote: >When is the last time someone got a ticket for jaywalking? Or riding a bike >through the streets of DC unlawfully? However, you can bet that >motorcyclists get ticketed all the time on technology not proven to work >(i.e. Laser ranging). yeah, life sucks sometimes. I've never seen the authorities mess with a cyclist in D.C.. However, I have witnessed two seperate occasions of a pedestrian getting busted, one of them literally: Cop lost control and applied a lathery wood shampoo to some dumb-ass who crossed the cops right of way. Considering all the witnesses to the excess, he probably got out of the ticket. Another time, a woman looked at the green light she was gonna cross against, the 'no walk' sign across the street, and the cop just sitting there (next to the corner she was on) with his lights just-a-flashing away for no apparent reason. What does she do? She crosses. Idiot! And you know it was a bad move when the cop hits the siren as she gets half-way across and chases her with his car UP ONTO THE SIDEWALK. You could tell she wished she'd just waited. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 16:19:32 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:19:37 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Constitutional Law Again? To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1213IAB3I5LG X400-MTS-identifier: [;73916101907991/1949648@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >When is the last time someone got a ticket for jaywalking? Or >riding a bike through the streets of DC unlawfully? For what it's worth, I got a ticket on Skyline Drive for "riding bicycles two abreast". This was not a heinous crime. We were going down the mountain at the time and were exceeding the speed limit significantly. I would've thought a speeding ticket would be a lot cooler... BTW, I do not consider myself one of the "obnoxious cyclist" you may see on area roads. I only ride two abreast when it's reasonable (we didn't ride two abreast while going up the mountains, for instance). >The DOT > >Everyone I know loves the bloated bureaucracy when they're >standing in line for hours waiting to pay $50 to register their >vehicle, or renew their license. Gubbermint stinks. While there may be many annoyances, many wasteful practices, etc in our government I don't think that generalizing that the "gubbermint stinks" says too much. In Maryland, I can go from my office in Rockville to the MVA, register my car, and be back within an hour. About 30 minutes of driving and 30 minutes of waiting in line. I'm sure there are plenty of bad things to point out about the MVA in MD (and MD laws regarding driving, taxation, etc) but speed at the MVA hasn't been a complaint for me in recent years. Also, my admittedly biased opinion of at least one government agency, the Food and Drug Administration, is overwhelmingly positive. Literally, no other country has safer foods, drugs, medical devices, biologics, blah blah blah. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 16:23:09 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: Constitutional Law Again? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:20:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT Regarding mopeds, are helmets required? Mopeds don't seem to need license plates in Virginia, do they? I've seen some pretty small-looking *16* year olds out on these crazy things without helmets lately. (At least I can out-corner them) Horkster ---------- From: Leon Begeman[SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 4:05 PM To: M.P. Tolocka; dc-cycles Subject: Re: Constitutional Law Again? M.P. Tolocka wrote: > I was wondering why conservative liberterians can't stretch "the > Pursuit of > Happiness" as far as liberals have pushed "Promote the General > Welfare". > > The line here is weird and arbitrary. > Is it ok for me to walk on the public street? Sure. > Is it ok for me to ride my bike on the public street? Sure. Is it ok for me to ride my moped on the public street?Ok if I'm over 16 even if I don't have a driver's license Not ok if I'm over 16 and had a driver's license revoked. Not ok if I'm under 16. > Now I know what you're thinking...Geez the difference is MOTORIZED > transportation. Nah, see moped. > snip< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 16:28:13 1997 From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Constitutional Law Again? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:23:50 -0400 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I renewed the registration on my bike and cage on 8/27 at the DMV off Franconia Rd. I got a shock. I was in and out inside 10 minutes. They have installed some sort of computerized queueing system that amazed me. Sometimes gubbermint does it right. LindaT. -----Original Message----- From: M.P. Tolocka [SMTP:mpt@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 3:50 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Constitutional Law Again? The DOT Everyone I know loves the bloated bureaucracy when they're standing in line for hours waiting to pay $50 to register their vehicle, or renew their license. Gubbermint stinks. Mike Tolocka 1990 CeeBeeOne AMA#608333 _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 17:24:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03661; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01839; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29666; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mist_bravo (aln-63-202.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.202]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA18451 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:23:29 -0400 Message-ID: <34170FAD.F5BECBA1@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:22:53 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Constitutional Law Again? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BCBE05.ECE86B60.linda.tanner@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Tanner wrote: > Actually, I renewed the registration on my bike and cage on 8/27 at > the DMV > off Franconia Rd. I got a shock. I was in and out inside 10 minutes. > > They have installed some sort of computerized queueing system that > amazed > me. Sometimes gubbermint does it right. The computerized queueing system is not why you got through in less than 10 minutes. Its advantages are that they can keep the hard questions away from the new/stupid clerks and the customer has no clue as to how long the line is. Disadvantages are that the clerks wait longer for the customers to show up at the window since they don't know when they might be called because the customer has no clue as to how long the line is. And now they have to deal with irate customers who were out on a smoke break when their number got called. (The one I saw do this was able go to the next available clerk, bypassing the computer system.) I'll bet the DMV was about empty when you walked in. Even under the old system, you didn't have to wait when there wasn't anyone to stand in line. I would be very surprised if DMV productivity changed more than 5% in either direction with the computerized queue. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 17:49:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04180; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02877; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00895; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA15514 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from combustion ([128.164.160.134]) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA16430 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709102149.RAA16430@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> X-Sender: mpt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "M.P. Tolocka" Subject: The Liberty Manifesto P.J. O'Rourke wrote this: (I couldn't, I'm just a chemist) EnJoy! >All we have is the belief that people should do what people want to do, >unless it causes harm to other people. And that had better be clear and >provable harm. No nonsense about second-hand smoke or hurtful, >insensitive language, please. >I don't know what's good for you. You don't know what's good for me. >We don't know what's good for mankind. And it sometimes seems as though >we're the only people who don't. It may well be that, gathered right >here in this room tonight, are all the people in the world who don't >want to tell all the people in the world what to do. >This is because we believe in freedom. Freedom-what this country was >established upon, what the Constitution was written to defend, what the >Civil War was fought to perfect. >Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in >Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It's not entitlement. >An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? >It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights-the "right" to education, >the "right" to health care, the "right" to food and housing. That's not >freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations >of slavery- hay and a barn for human cattle. >There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well >please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take >the consequences. >So we are here tonight in a kind of anti-matter protest-an unpolitical >undemonstration by deeply uncommitted inactivists. We are part of a huge >invisible picket line that circles the White House twenty-four hours a >day. We are participants in an enormous non-march on Washington-millions >and millions of Americans not descending upon the nation's capital in >order to demand nothing from the United States government. To demand >nothing, that is. except the one thing which no government in history >has been able to do- leave us alone. >You know. if government were a product, selling it would be illegal. >Government is a health hazard. Governments have killed many more people >than cigarettes or unbuckled seat belts ever have. Government contains >impure ingredients-as anybody who's looked at Congress can tell you. On >the basis of Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign promises. I think we can say >government practices deceptive advertising. And the merest glance at >the federal budget is enough to convict the government of perjury, >extortion, and fraud. There, ladies and gentlemen, you have the Cato >Institute's program in a nutshell: government should be against the law. >Term limits aren't enough. We need jail. That's all I have to say about that. Mike Tolocka 1990 CeeBeeOne AMA#608333 _Keep the shiny side up._ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 20:06:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06063; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07786; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01027; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.67.170]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA25998; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:05:06 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd B Peer" , Subject: Re: Constitutional Law Again? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:03:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970911000505.AAA25998@default> Hey, y'all-- Actually saw a jerk pedestrian get a good talking-to at UMd today after jaywalking in front of a car. The driver had to nail his brakes. This happens all the time on campuses, BTW. The cop was the next car. It restored my faith in law enforcement. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 20:21:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06145; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07901; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01314; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.67.170]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA15317; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:20:41 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Rottier.Amy" Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:18:42 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970911002040.AAA15317@default> Officially speaking, reciprocity works both ways. If you have a license in any state, you may drive in all states. If any state suspends that license, you can't drive in any state. It would take just a few keystrokes for the person at the other end of the police radio to find you out. I'm eternally grateful they never bother. My MD license is suspended in MD, and possibly DE. My NC license (the one I use now) used to be suspended in NC and VA as well. All unpaid tickets, one from 7 years ago. A previous license from DE is suspended in MD for the same reason, from 10 years ago. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 20:23:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06173; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07919; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01395; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as6s23.erols.com [207.172.153.23]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26408; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:23:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199709110023.UAA26408@smtp3.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Sunday Poker Run Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:16:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Meier, Christopher writes: > This is from a postcard mailed to me by the Potomac Area Road Riders > (PARR). Hopefully PARR will not mind me posting this to the list :-) > > I will be there on a red RF900. Please come up and say Hi if you see I plan to be there. I'll probably be riding a white CBX, or else a black, full Vetter dressed GS850 if the 'X doesn't wanna play. It's been a while since I cranked it last. Mr. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 20:43:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06323; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08107; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01770; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.73.229]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA10608; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:42:37 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Meier, Christopher" Cc: Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:40:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970911004235.AAA10608@default> Chris- When I get one of those tickets, I get a lawyer, and so does my ex-significant other. We have never been suspended as a result; the lawyer gets it reduced. My friend spent a few hours in jail for 82 or so in a 55 near Kinston. He probably pissed off the cop, tho. They told him he couldn't drive in NC for 5 years if I recall. He lived out of state at the time, and it was probably nearly 10 years ago. I got nailed for 83 in a 55 in Raleigh. I don't recall what the lawyer got it down to. If you get the ticket out of state, you will still lose the license. My ex got busted twice in two weeks in VA for over 80. I think one was in a 55, the other in a 65. BTW, AAA Plus pays $150 towards a lawyer for you. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 20:48:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06371; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08134; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01859; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.73.229]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA15445; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:47:43 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: (2) VA Reckless Ticket ? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:45:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970911004741.AAA15445@default> Chris- I forgot to say I don't know how you got away with without a suspension for 79 in a 55, although I don't think the NC fines are particularly high, so $70 is understandable. The ticket I didn't pay in MD, thus earning a suspension, was 90 in a 55, worth $280. The fines in NC have never been memorable. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 22:15:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07462; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08810; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03956; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as80s25.erols.com [207.172.45.25]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29466 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:14:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970910221539.006bdf6c@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:15:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Sunday Poker Run In-Reply-To: <199709110023.UAA26408@smtp3.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hope to see you guys there. Penny and I are going to try and make it. Look for us on a 93 GSXR750 (blue and white of course) sporting a brand spankin new Avon front tire... (hey at this set actually lasted just over two months.....and 4500 miles...that's about the same as the Dunlops I was using on the front. The rear still has a few miles left on it which means it has lasted twice as long as the Dunnies) Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 22:22:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07548; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08825; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04060; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21520; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.177.25.196]) by mail.his.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA06679; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970910221728.00688a50@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:17:42 -0400 To: 104521.1001@XXXXXX, rmattes@XXXXXX, Brian Summers , Carol Hickey , mcrdrcr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ets@XXXXXX, Glen Ouye , Wangdahl_Glenn@XXXXXX, gjd6028@XXXXXX, hyrum@XXXXXX, jjs@XXXXXX, ims@XXXXXX, jdaniel@XXXXXX, bloomer@XXXXXX, John Capen , fraasj@XXXXXX, jjf@XXXXXX, Judy Laney , "KaydMan@XXXXXX" , Lori_Mennitt@XXXXXX, marka@XXXXXX, "CalMale99@XXXXXX" , matt@XXXXXX, green@XXXXXX, Mike & Mary Rowland , anderson@XXXXXX, nsummers@XXXXXX, dpauley1@XXXXXX, zubaly@XXXXXX, firehorse@XXXXXX, sturges_rich@XXXXXX, sturges@XXXXXX, rharris@XXXXXX (Rick Harris), Roger Bacon , sam@XXXXXX, burnham@XXXXXX, Steven Newton , smennitt@XXXXXX, sturges@XXXXXX, racrbri@XXXXXX, bsummers@XXXXXX, sturges_rich@XXXXXX, Wangdahl_Glenn@XXXXXX, BurnhamTed@XXXXXX, "tlewis(cont-mis)" , Tim Gooding , broglio@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX, jbrad@XXXXXX, rgrant@XXXXXX, vzo1@XXXXXX, Wendy Karrpi From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm at Summit 9/7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Looks like Rich set a EX500 all time track record at Summit Point while I was off having fun in the sun. Check out http://www.his.com/~harris/news.htm for the details. Thanks to Glen Ouye for the photos, again in a timely fashion. October 4, 1997 we will be having a party in the pits at Summit Point, celebrating the days racing. Both of us will have fresh tires, and bragging rights for the winter will be up for grabs...:-) Be there. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 22:42:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07810; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08941; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04413; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA18745; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:41:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA06920; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.35]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA1593; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:41:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles , st1100 Subject: ME33 Metz for Sale X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970911024121.AAA1593@localHost> Brand new, just got it. ME33 Laser 110/80 v18 - front First $100 gets it. I'll pay ground charges. Private email to me. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 23:03:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08157; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09093; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04719; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA23389; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:59:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:56:22 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Sunday Poker Run To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll know Friday if I'll make it or not.I should be easy to spot;just look for the bright orange helmet. What time was everyone planning on getting to the run? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 23:11:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08221; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09158; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04887; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA24169 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA19890 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.35]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB10981 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:11:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Liberty Manifesto X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970911031107.AAB10981@localHost> >That's all I have to say about that. Hey Mike. You didn't say anything. You quoted P.J.O.. And if I recall, he has a literary 'license'. HA! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 10 23:41:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08558; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09312; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05296; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA27010 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA30546 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.35]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB31372 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:41:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket ? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970911034112.AAB31372@localHost> My MD license is suspended in MD, and possibly DE. My NC license (the one I use now) used to be suspended in NC and VA as well. All unpaid tickets, one from 7 years ago. A previous license from DE is suspended in MD for the same reason, from 10 years ago. Geezus kevin, i hope nobody here is a cop lookin' to bust. No, you're not Kevin. How did you get Kevin's email ID you bastard. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 07:21:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11864; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21449; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10379; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCBE83.728BA980@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:22:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Has it died? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:22:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT Hey people, what happened to the "big party" the list was going to have? Have we decided to forget about it or what? Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 07:28:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11898; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21506; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout22.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10434; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout22.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA07811 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970910115310_434406952@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Reckless Ticket LONG STORY In a message dated 97-09-10 11:44:50 EDT, jcarver@XXXXXX writes: > Also, how can the Police MAKE you sign a ticket/citation? Since when > can you be locked up/arrested for something you refuse to sign because > you don't agree? There's NO way these things can be constitutional. They can't make you sign the ticket - it's purely voluntary on your part. All signing the ticket does is verify that you are aware of the alleged offence and you promise to appear in court. In lieu of this, you may elect to remain in the general area of the alleged offence as a guest of the local jurisdiction until your court date. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 08:17:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12184; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21716; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11030; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCBE8A.B5EB6B00@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:14:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: '87 Suzuki Savage Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:14:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 20 TEXT Listers, I've found an '87 Suzuki Savage 650 for sale at a good price, but I haven't seen it yet personally. I know little about these bikes. A short cruiser style bike, I think. Is it suitable for a shorter rider? (My wife is 5'4") Anybody have experiences good or bad with them? Anything to watch for or avoid? It seems they had a pretty short production run, was it due to a lousy bike or lack of market interest? Thanks in advance. Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650????? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 09:20:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12921; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22303; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12418; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA23878 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA26812 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:19:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAC23987 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:19:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Has it died? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970911131944.AAC23987@localHost> >Hey people, what happened to the "big party" the list was going to have? > Have we decided to forget about it or what? > >Glenn Dysart >DysarGB@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna Keep your ears opened people. I still have something in mind. No more discussion on this until late next week and/or the following. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 09:30:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13027; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22375; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12672; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:30:25 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA21453; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970911092939_-1835825895@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '87 Suzuki Savage Dale, My wife almost bought a 96 Suzuki Savage last year. The Savage is a thumper (single cylinder) but the new model has received rave reviews from newbies and women (who generally have shorter in-seams). The seat height is really low (27"-28"), and that's what appealed to my wife (she's also 5'4"). My wife got a Honda Rebel 250 instead of the Savage but she grew out of that quickly (three months). She has a BMW 650ST (single, also) now that reminds me a bit of the Savage. The new Savages are Kevlar belt-driven (supposed to last forever). I think Suzuki re-started production of the Savage in 1995 (or 1996) to appeal to the new motorcycling craze among women and new riders. By the way, if you want more info, send a message to the Suzuki list group at suzuki-l@XXXXXX. I'm sure there are Savage riders on that list (I used to have a Suzuki VX-800). Good luck and happy trails. JB 1997 BMW R850R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 10:15:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13805; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25504; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minet.marriott.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14257; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mih.marriott.com by minet.marriott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23363; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:08:38 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mih.marriott.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA873987658; Thu, 11 Sep 97 10:21:01 -0500 Message-Id: <9709118739.AA873987658@mih.marriott.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 10:19:07 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouzbakht" To: Subject: Re[2]: Sunday Poker Run Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be there. I'll be on the yellow FZR. Mehran ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Sunday Poker Run Author: "Gil M. Nissley" at internet Date: 9/10/97 10:56 PM I'll know Friday if I'll make it or not.I should be easy to spot;just look for the bright orange helmet. What time was everyone planning on getting to the run? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 11:16:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14995; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01566; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16507; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCBEA3.CF115EA0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , , Subject: RE: FW: '87 Suzuki Savage Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:14:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 57 TEXT Thanks to everyone for the info. I have little or no experience with BS (Big Singles, the other B.S. I'm pretty good at! :-) So a few more questions... What are a BS's characteristics at highway speeds? Does it vibrate or shake alot? Are the revs real high at 60-70 mph? We intend to use this bike as a recreational bike (poker runs, day/overnight trips) as well as a daily commuter to work (15 miles each way). Some highway/interstate miles involved. I must admit I am really intrigued about this Savage, I never would have considered a Single before. Horkster (these Lists are great for info!) `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650????? ---------- From: jcolb@XXXXXX[SMTP:jcolb@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 11:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FW: '87 Suzuki Savage dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Listers, > > I've found an '87 Suzuki Savage 650 for sale at a good price, but I haven't > seen it yet personally. I know little about these bikes. A short cruiser > style bike, I think. Is it suitable for a shorter rider? (My wife is 5'4") > Anybody have experiences good or bad with them? Anything to watch for or > avoid? It seems they had a pretty short production run, was it due to a > lousy bike or lack of market interest? To the best of my knowledge, the Savage is still being sold new although I believe it was discontinued for several years. From what I read in Thumper News, it's a very reliable bike; one common complaint seems to be lack of tach on the new ones-assume this is same on older ones and one guy had trouble switching fuel petcock on to reserve due to tiny handle on it. Everyone seems to love the belt drive. They are very suitable for shorter riders; I've sat on them (I'm 5'8) and it was almost too low for my tastes. Hope this helps. I like the purple ones themselves. I'm not a big fan of the cruiser styling, though. I wish they'd sell a more standard version of this bike cause it's pretty affordable new. I think it's worth noting that big street singles NEVER seem to sell in the US, sadly enough... no hate mail please; I love big singles (big SR fan) I'm just pointing out a fact... Jim FSNNOC #2811 State College PA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 11:23:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15104; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02213; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from palmnet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16749; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mmiglis (an219.palmnet.net [206.156.146.219]) by palmnet.net (01) with ESMTP id LAA09366 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:22:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199709111522.LAA09366@palmnet.net> From: "Mitch Miglis" To: Subject: Todd Peer: Tire Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:21:22 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, I had several addresses for you. Please pardon the duplication. I go for the tire. Mitch Migis. mmiglis@XXXXXX (407) 676-1321 w 729-8197 h. 11am Th 9/11. Thx. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 11:29:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15172; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02631; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16940; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tires Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:28:20 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) My brother (who dosen't have email) needs to get tires for his ZX11. He is looking for a pair that "lasts". Any recommendations? Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 11:53:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15920; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04374; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18419; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.66.135]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA14911; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:52:13 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: '87 Suzuki Savage Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:50:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970911155210.AAA14911@default> I believe the new savage and the old one are identical. I don't know why they stopped selling them. My bro-in-law had one (bought new in the late 80s) as his 1st bike and found it satisfactory. He put a lot of miles on it, then had a 1400 intruder and now has a GSX1100G shafty standard. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 11:55:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15988; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04578; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18593; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA12028 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970911115228_1560629586@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: '87 Suzuki Savage In a message dated 97-09-11 11:25:19 EDT, dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX writes: > What are a BS's characteristics at highway speeds? Does > it vibrate or shake alot? I hate to say this, but it varies from scoot to scoot - my Yamaha SRX-6 has a sweet spot in the 60-70 range that's not bad - but it's a bear at 50 (top gear). Typically, newer bikes (japanese) tend to shake less than older bikes (british). This is primarily from the use of balance shafts in the newer engine designs - but you still know that you're riding a single. > Are the revs real high at 60-70 mph? Again - it varies - revs typically between "Big Twin" and "Sportbike" ranges - you won't see 10K RPM, but then you won't be cruising at 2.3K either - probably in the 5s > We intend to use this bike as a recreational bike (poker runs, > day/overnight trips) as well as a daily commuter to work (15 miles > each way). Some highway/interstate miles involved. It wouldn't be my first choice for the IronButt Rally (although it's better than some bikes that have finished), but should be great for your intended use. Personally, I wouldn't want to put more than about 600 miles/day on it. Michael Jordan '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX 1100GP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 12:23:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16828; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05221; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20242; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as80s25.erols.com [207.172.45.25]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25834; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:23:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970911122357.0074c4f0@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:23:57 -0400 To: Amit Chatterjie , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tires In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:28 AM 9/11/97 -0400, Amit Chatterjie wrote: >My brother (who dosen't have email) needs to get tires for his ZX11. He >is looking for a pair that "lasts". Any recommendations? Amit, I highly recommend the Avon Azarros. Their dual density belts allow for great wear in the centers and great grip on the edges. I just went through the first front (rear next month due to low dinero) and I got 4500 miles. Some might not think that is much, but considering using Dunlops I get roughly 2500 miles (on a good set) compared to many others I've heard getting 6 to 7 thousand on the same type tires. And my Avons....The centers have only worn about one mm from new. I have this terrible habit of destroying the outside 1 to 1 1/2 inches of the tire. My guess is with "normal" riding, the Avons will wear in the vicinity of 7 to 9 thousand miles....just a guess though...mine'll never make it that long... Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 12:25:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16850; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05231; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20300; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as80s25.erols.com [207.172.45.25]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26131; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:25:02 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970911122548.0074c4f0@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:25:48 -0400 To: Amit Chatterjie , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tires (2) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oops, also forgot to mention that they are pretty cheap to buy right now. MAW advertises 99 for the front and 112 (i think) for the rear....just be sure to buy them from Dennis Kirk for a buck cheaper (and they have them in stock) ...MAW sucks!!! _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 12:49:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17625; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06145; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21697; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:48:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Tires (2) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:48:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > Oops, also forgot to mention that they are pretty cheap to buy right > now. > MAW advertises 99 for the front and 112 (i think) for the rear....just > be > sure to buy them from Dennis Kirk for a buck cheaper (and they have > them in > stock) ...MAW sucks!!! > Thanks for the advice Collin. Sounds like a winner. Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 12:51:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17726; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06183; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21878; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA10859 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:49:55 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma010845; Thu, 11 Sep 97 12:49:49 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA07535 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA873996496; Thu, 11 Sep 97 12:48:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9709118739.AA873996496@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 12:46:24 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Tires MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colin, the only reason you have to buy new tires so often is cause you like to ride on your side... the only time I see you upright on the bike is when you're parked! Sheesh, on 211 this past trip, I watched you square corners off just to get closer to the ground on the turn... I think you need to go get on the racetrack - Ride safe all.. Brian McCoy <-- taking his own advice about the race track. P.S. Thinking of Race Tracks.. Summit Point had races this past weekend which were great.. and they are haveing SVRA (purpose built vintage race cars) the last weekend of this month.. it's a 3 day weekend starting on Friday morning. I highly sugest everyone comes up to at least see these awesome cars.. and I've heard that if you cornerwork, you can get free track rides in these cars... that's all I need (BTW, cornerworkers get in free, are fed good meals, and get the best seats from which to watch the races) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 12:57:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17876; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06312; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22179; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA09382 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA05717 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:57:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA22229 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:56:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Ducks on tour X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970911165645.AAA22229@localHost> Just got the 10/97 issue of American Motorcyclist and just inside the front cover is pictured the new Ducati ST2. Looks to me like they repainted the 916 to silver, changed the frame a bit and added hard luggage (tiny...might be able to get a change of clothes in there). Anyone care to speculate why Ducati is going for the ST market? Just looking at this picture makes me think you could just buy the 916 and add some cool (bigger) soft luggage, and still have a 916 when your done ST'ing. Hmmm.... Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 13:09:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18145; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06495; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22632; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA11077; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:08:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA16878; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB9663; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:08:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles , st1100 Subject: Re: ME33 Metz for Sale X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970911170809.AAB9663@localHost> Sold! Todd #487 Message-Id: <199709111516.LAA09032@palmnet.net> From: "Mitch Miglis" To: "Todd B Peer" Subject: Re: ME33 Metz for Sale Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:15:06 -0400 Todd, I'll take it. Mitch Miglis mmiglis@XXXXXX (407) 676-1321 work/ 729-8197 home. Thanks. ---------- > From: Todd B Peer > To: dc-cycles ; st1100 > Subject: ME33 Metz for Sale > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 6:00 PM > > > Brand new, just got it. > > ME33 Laser 110/80 v18 - front > > First $100 gets it. I'll pay ground charges. > > Private email to me. > > Todd > +---------------------------+---------------+ > | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | > | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | > | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | > +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 14:30:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20039; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07409; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26435; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id OAA042.68; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:28:19 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970911142235.0097aa60@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:22:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Constitutional Law Again? In-Reply-To: <199709101949.PAA04962@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Everyone I know loves the bloated bureaucracy when they're standing in line >for hours waiting to pay $50 to register their vehicle, or renew their >license. Gubbermint stinks. What is your proposed alternative? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 16:12:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23143; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09660; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.Dave-World.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02925; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FARMBUREAU (unverified [206.26.22.45]) by Mail.Dave-World.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:07:15 -0500 Received: by FARMBUREAU with Microsoft Mail id <01BCBEC4.E13EFBC0@FARMBUREAU>; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:10:46 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCBEC4.E13EFBC0@FARMBUREAU> From: Alan Jarand To: "thumper@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "suzuki-l@XXXXXX" , "'dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: FW: '87 Suzuki Savage Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:10:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Horkster asks: ---------- What are a BS's characteristics at highway speeds? My wife road her Savage 1400 miles on trip to Lake Superior this summer. = Ran 70-75 all day on interstate without problem, although it will = sonsume some oil (1/2 quart poer thousand) at highway speeds. Gets about = 60MPG on highway. Does it vibrate or shake alot?=20 You do feel the single, but it is not an unpleasant vibration...on the = highway it smooths out very nice Are the revs real high at 60-70 mph? The bike does not have a tach, but manual says it redlines at about 100 = MPH...The engine does not feel like it is reving very high... We intend to use this bike as a recreational bike (poker runs, day/overnight trips) as well as a daily commuter to work (15 miles each way). Some highway/interstate miles involved.=20 Sounds like perfect use ofr the bike...the seat can be a killer, = especiually for taller riders. Rolls you right back on your tailbone, = but the bike is comfortable for hops under an hour. The bike is a = perfect fir for a shorter rider, my wife is about 5'4" (although she = claims 5'5") I am really intrigued about this Savage, I never would have considered a Single before. Suzuki made the Savage for a few years in the mid 80s, then dropped it. = After several years, and due to popular demand, they brought it back = about 1995. Our is a 96. 5,000 miles no problems....except a broken = footpeg, buts thats another story from a previous post.=20 Alan Jarand (these Lists are great for info!) `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650????? ---------- From: jcolb@XXXXXX[SMTP:jcolb@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 11:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FW: '87 Suzuki Savage dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >=20 > Listers, >=20 > I've found an '87 Suzuki Savage 650 for sale at a good price, but I = haven't > seen it yet personally. I know little about these bikes. A short = cruiser > style bike, I think. Is it suitable for a shorter rider? (My wife is = 5'4") > Anybody have experiences good or bad with them? Anything to watch = for or > avoid? It seems they had a pretty short production run, was it due to = a > lousy bike or lack of market interest? To the best of my knowledge, the Savage is still being sold new although I believe it was discontinued for several years. From what I read in Thumper News, it's a very reliable bike; one common complaint seems to be lack of tach on the new ones-assume this is same on older ones and one guy had trouble switching fuel petcock on to reserve due to tiny handle on it. Everyone seems to love the belt drive. They are very suitable for shorter riders; I've sat on them (I'm 5'8) and it was almost too low for my tastes. Hope this helps. I like the purple ones themselves. I'm not a big fan of the cruiser styling, though. I wish they'd sell a more standard version of this bike cause it's pretty affordable new. I think it's worth noting that big street singles NEVER seem to sell in the US, sadly enough... no hate mail please; I love big singles (big SR fan) I'm just pointing out a fact... Jim FSNNOC #2811 State College PA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 16:13:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23162; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09692; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02996; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.73.203]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18252; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:12:59 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Brian McCoy" , Subject: Re: vintage sportscars Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:10:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970911201257.AAA18252@default> Vintage sportscar racing is totally awesome! I'll be there for sure. And last time I was there, you could give $5 to charity and get a ride in a car too. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 17:20:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24274; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11593; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05154; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.35.88.9] (1Cust9.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.88.9]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20522 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:20:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19970911001056.AAA20845@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:21:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: >Al- > >You sure have some colorful friends. To be expected, I guess. You're >colorful yourself. I bet the cop could have busted him for littering, and >I bet there's a type of theft that is covered by tossing somebody elses pen >into the woods. > >Later >Kevin > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. I think that theft implies that you got away with the goods or intended to keep them. Littering would have been a good one! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 18:06:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25488; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12546; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06967; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000205.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.217]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA07735 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:03:16 -0400 Message-ID: <34186B4E.4300F46E@digex.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:06:09 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Constitutional Law Again? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BCBE05.ECE86B60.linda.tanner@mci.com> <34170FAD.F5BECBA1@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > Linda Tanner wrote: >> Actually, I renewed the registration on my bike and cage on 8/27 at >> the DMV off Franconia Rd. I got a shock. I was in and out inside 10 >> minutes. > I'll bet the DMV was about empty when you walked in....I would be very > surprised if DMV productivity changed more than 5% in either direction > with the computerized queue. I dunno, I went to the same DMV one Saturday morning near the end of the month to renew my bike registration. I was dismayed when I saw how many people were seated waiting to be served, but my number came up within a few minutes. The DMV clerk was no friendlier than they ever have been in the past, but I was outta there so fast I didn't care. I was speechless. -- WWW From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 19:51:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26529; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14900; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09235; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id TAA23346 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:49:19 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma023336; Thu, 11 Sep 97 19:49:17 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id TAA18675; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA874021666; Thu, 11 Sep 97 19:47:48 -0500 Message-Id: <9709118740.AA874021666@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 19:46:18 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: boots! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alrighty, I finaly broke down and bought new boots (for those of you who know me and my old boots, you can kinda understand why). I went to Aerostich and picked up their 'Combat Touring' boots made by Sidi. My gawd, these things are huge. I thought they would be close to the size of normal work boots... *BZZZTT!!* wrong. they are full-grain leather moto-x boots. Well, maybe with a little less protection. They do seem a little large for my feet right now, and they don't offer the support my lace-up redwings did (at least, it doesn't feel like it). They have been as comfortable as new footgear can be for the first day... we'll have to see how they do after a month/few thousand miles of wear.. Anyway, my -$0.01 Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 21:33:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27922; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15431; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11579; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frosty.13x.com (1Cust68.max7.bridgewater.mi.ms.uu.net [153.36.114.68]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01622 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34189C14.3174@13x.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:46:21 -0400 From: Stephen Reply-To: frosty@XXXXXX Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires for ZX-11 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With prudent throttle usage, I've had decent experiences with Metzler Me33Laser/Me55 tires. I usually try to get the fronts in a comp K compound as they last about twice as long as the rears, say 10,000 miles on a rear before it's definitely time to replace. Don't expect huge gobs of traction though. Stephen My brother (who dosen't have email) needs to get tires for his ZX11. He is looking for a pair that "lasts". Any recommendations? Amit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 11 22:29:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28317; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15677; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12320; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.64.112]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA1443; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:28:43 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd B Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Ducks on tour Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:26:41 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970912022842.AAA1443@default> Todd- I really like the ST2. Ducatis are the only thing that might get me away from VFRs, and the ST2 could be the one. I've read the articles in all the other magazines, and my friend is a mechanic at Battleys and just went to a school on the ST2. The bike has 916-like frame geometry, but a sport-tour seating position. Doug says the bike has a lot of 851 stuff. It also has heads from the water-cooled 907ie, but oil cooled. It makes 82hp, much more than a 900SS. Doug's heavily modified 900 makes 84. I think the stock 900SS is a bit slow, and the 916 is way too expensive and uncomfortable. Not that I've ridden a 916, but I've sat on one and read all the articles. Collin can give the expert opinion. Of course, Collin sport tours on a GSXR, so we know he likes pain. Why go after the sport tour market? Like Willie Sutton said, that's where the money is. How many 916s can they sell? Squids can't afford them, so only real hardcore guys will buy them, plus a few posers. The ST2 will be in the $12000 range, I think, fast enough to be worth it, and comfortable enough to live with. Lots of people will buy them, and probably at a better profit margin than the 916. Coming next, a 4 valve ST2, then a 916 powered one. Maybe by the time the 916/ST2 comes out, I'll be able to afford a used 98 model. BTW, Willie Sutton was a famous bank robber in the 1930s (I think). A reporter asked why he robbed banks, and that's what he said. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 07:36:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02213; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24054; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inside.sinai-balt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18885; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c2smtp.sinai-balt.com (sinai-balt.com) by inside.sinai-balt.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22855; Fri, 12 Sep 97 07:35:16 EDT Received: from [21.120.62.190] (21.120.62.190) by c2smtp.sinai-balt.com (Connect2-SMTP 4.20A.00001E1); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:34:17 -0500 X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:47:00 -0500 To: frosty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: hgg@XXXXXX (Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.) Subject: Re: Tires for ZX-11 >With prudent throttle usage, I've had decent experiences with Metzler >Me33Laser/Me55 tires. Prudent??? Stephen, lighten up and enjoy your ZX-11 while you have it. View each moment as one to be savored. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (stolen) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 08:33:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02597; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24355; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19652; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DTNET19-131.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA09255; Fri, 12 Sep 97 08:33:06 EDT Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 08:33:06 EDT Message-Id: <9709121233.AA09255@oasys.dt.navy.mil> X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Brian McCoy" From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: boots! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I finaly broke down and bought new boots (for those of you who know > me and my old boots, you can kinda understand why). I went to > Aerostich and picked up their 'Combat Touring' boots made by Sidi. My > gawd, these things are huge. I thought they would be close to the > size of normal work boots... *BZZZTT!!* wrong. they are full-grain > leather moto-x boots. Well, maybe with a little less protection. > They do seem a little large for my feet right now, and they don't > offer the support my lace-up redwings did (at least, it doesn't feel > like it). They have been as comfortable as new footgear can be for > the first day... we'll have to see how they do after a month/few > thousand miles of wear.. I have a pair. They actually took 3 or 4 weeks of daily use to break in. Before that they dug into my achilles. Now they fit great. My only complaint is the lack of a padded insole, so they are not comfortable to walk in much, but I suppose this gives better feel for the brake/shift levers. I low-sided 10 months ago at about 55 mph in my one-piece roadcrafter and Combat Touring boots. Not a scratch or bruise on me (other than my hands, where I ground down one fingernail a bit through my Widder gloves). I was even able to ride the rest of the way to work. I think the suit repair was about $180 and the boots were just scuffed a bit on one toe. Pretty impressive. David Mackintosh Wave Sport Godzilla, Necky Arluk 1.8 mackinto@XXXXXX '88 Integra LS, '96 Integra SE Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo, '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 08:57:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02673; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24497; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20044; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:57:02 -0400 (EDT) From: bsajim@XXXXXX Received: from marconi.concentric.net (buckpalace [206.173.119.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/08/22 5.5)) id IAA04701; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:57:00 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from crc3.concentric.net (ts040d15.hil-ny.concentric.net [206.173.18.243]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.8.7) id IAA04316; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34193BB1.CA3@concentric.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:55:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Virginia British Motorcycle Club Fall Rally Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 7th Annual VBMC (see subject line) British & European Motorcycle Rally Sunday Oct 5th, 1997 Richmond, VA 10:00 am to 4:00 pm Rain or Shine Admission only $5.00 Children under 12 free + Swap Meet / Autojumble + Motorcycle Show Antique, Classic & Modern + Judging at 1:00 and Awards at 3:00 over 15 Classes + Old Time Motorcycle Rally Field Games at 12:00 + Food, Accessories, T-Shirts + New Motorcycle Dealers Please, no pets or camping All Marques welcome Vendor spaces (20' x 20') $25.00 (includes 2 admissions) Location: East of Mechanicsville, VA, 1/4 mile South of Hwy 360E & Rt 615 Directions: From I-95 follow I-295 toward I64E. Exit Hwy 360E and go approx. 4 miles past 360/295 interchange to inter- section 360E & Rt 615. Follow signs to Rallt site entrance. More Info: Robert Bauer 804-261-6526 Jason Seward 804-730-7724 Jim Carr 540-882-3265 Hope to see you there! Cheers, Jim Carr 61 BSA A10 65 BSA A65L/R 69 BSA A65T 70 BSA B44VS 96 Enfield Bullet 500 85 Yamaha TY 350 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 09:16:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02938; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24637; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20347; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.65.191]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA15892; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:15:45 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , Subject: Re: Tires for ZX-11 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:13:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970912131543.AAA15892@default> Stephen- You don't have a ZX11, do you? ME33/ME55 is an awfully odd tire choice, I'd think, if you do. I've heard good things about the new MEZ4, btw, in terms of performance and mileage. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 09:43:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03176; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24845; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21062; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:43:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Hal@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA08400; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970912094258_-1869059545@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: mackinto@XXXXXX, bmccoy@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: boots! In a message dated 9/12/97 7:37:49, mackinto@XXXXXX wrote: >I have a pair. They actually took 3 or 4 weeks of daily use to break in. >Before that they dug into my achilles. Now they fit great. I hear that brother! I actually got a size SMALLER than I probably should have, and now I don't regret that at all, after that first month of daily wear HELL they broke in prefectly and now, after a year+, over 20,000 miles, and TWO re-soleings, these are one of the best purchases I ever made. I did find the soles wore out pretty fast...so I take them to my cobbler dude and he puts on the corded, old tire Vibrams...costs about $50 but well worth it to keep these boots going. I would guess I have worn them probably 3/4 of the days since I bought them...now I wear them even on days I can't ride. Hal 97 BMW R1100GSA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 09:45:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03184; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24870; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21120; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimer.smart.net (a2p45dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.77]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23676; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <34194749.68BF@smart.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:44:41 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frosty@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires for ZX-11 References: <34189C14.3174@13x.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen wrote: > > With prudent throttle usage, I've had decent experiences with Metzler > Me33Laser/Me55 tires. I usually try to get the fronts in a comp K > compound as they last about twice as long as the rears, say 10,000 miles > on a rear before it's definitely time to replace. Don't expect huge gobs > of traction though. > Stephen > > My brother (who dosen't have email) needs to get tires for his ZX11. He > is looking for a pair that "lasts". Any recommendations? > Amit I like the Metzeler ME-Z1 front/ME-Z2 rear combination myself. It is supposedly the 'endurance' setup which provides plenty of traction for sport touring with decent longevity. Some will say that it's not smart to fit a softer tire up front and a tougher tire on the rear, but I have had no problems with this setup and recommend it highly. I put 5k miles on my ZX-6E with this setup before selling it last month and had no wear problems. Since setting up my ZX-11 this way, I have also seen no problems and don't expect to. Of course, I don't put the bike into the twisties at the angles Collin does, but not many do. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 09:48:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03205; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24903; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21194; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimer.smart.net (a2p45dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.77]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23737; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:48:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3419480C.F8D@smart.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:47:56 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frosty@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires for ZX-11 References: <34189C14.3174@13x.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen wrote: > > With prudent throttle usage, I've had decent experiences with Metzler > Me33Laser/Me55 tires. I usually try to get the fronts in a comp K > compound as they last about twice as long as the rears, say 10,000 miles > on a rear before it's definitely time to replace. Don't expect huge gobs > of traction though. > Stephen > > My brother (who dosen't have email) needs to get tires for his ZX11. He > is looking for a pair that "lasts". Any recommendations? > Amit Sorry. My last message was intended for Amit....but I didn't get his original message and mistakenly sent to you, Stephen. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 10:09:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03490; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25215; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21725; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA13094 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:09:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA24404 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:09:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA14007 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:09:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: boots! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970912140905.AAA14007@localHost> on Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:43:07 Hal wrote: >In a message dated 9/12/97 7:37:49, mackinto@XXXXXX wrote: > >>I have a pair. They actually took 3 or 4 weeks of daily use to break in. >>Before that they dug into my achilles. Now they fit great. > >I hear that brother! I actually got a size SMALLER than I probably should >have, and now I don't regret that at all, after that first month of daily >wear HELL they broke in prefectly and now, after a year+, over 20,000 miles, >and TWO re-soleings, these are one of the best purchases I ever made. > >I did find the soles wore out pretty fast...so I take them to my cobbler dude >and he puts on the corded, old tire Vibrams...costs about $50 but well worth >it to keep these boots going. I would guess I have worn them probably 3/4 of >the days since I bought them...now I wear them even on days I can't ride. I'm real surprised that you've had to replace the soles to regularly. I've had mine for over 4 years and 42,000 miles of riding and still have the original soles. I've noticed that the sole changed shortly after I purchased mine. Mine are black with the SIDI emblem at the arch. The only wear shows at the ball of the sole and toward the toe. The new ones have that translucent tan colored sole. Don't know if that has anything to do with your wear problems. 'Course you never said if you walked 20,000 miles or rode ;-) Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 10:46:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04056; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25492; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22874; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Hal@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA02295; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970912104416_927434435@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: boots! In a message dated 9/12/97 9:26:08, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm real surprised that you've had to replace the soles to regularly. >I've had mine for over 4 years and 42,000 miles of riding and still have >the original soles. > > I've noticed that the sole changed shortly after I purchased mine. >Mine are black with the SIDI emblem at the arch. The only wear shows >at the ball of the sole and toward the toe. Well, most of the wear is on the outside if the sole, the part that tenst to scape righr before the footpegs do on sharp corners, if you know what I mean. :) I beveled the heck out of them pretty quick. :) Hal 97 BMW R1100GSA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 11:44:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05369; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26216; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25828; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.64.185]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA23275; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:43:22 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: Subject: Re: soft tire in front, street tire in rear Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:41:18 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970912154319.AAA23275@default> Actually, what I've heard, and agree with, is sliding the front is more difficult to handle than sliding the rear, so you want a sticky tire in front, if anywhere. And in my experience, a race front/street rear combo wears out both tires at the same time, while any other combo means you replace rears more often. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 13:12:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06727; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28939; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29031; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA14724 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:11:31 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma014691; Fri, 12 Sep 97 13:11:17 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA18114 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA874083075; Fri, 12 Sep 97 13:07:56 -0500 Message-Id: <9709128740.AA874083075@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 12:50:21 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Ren. Fest.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alrighty, I posted something about this back when they opened.. and was unable to make it. Anyone care to join me there this Sunday (I'm obviously not doing the poker run, it's a choice between that and the Ren Fest.. and this is my only free weekend to go to the Ren Fest.. I ride every day). I was looking at Sunday AM as far as going out there.. But to accomidate for another, I'll look at different times. Let me know.. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 14:22:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07952; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02667; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb09.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01670; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:21:35 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mb09.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA01496 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970912101442_1146416896@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boots! > I went to > Aerostich and picked up their 'Combat Touring' boots made by Sidi. My > gawd, these things are huge. I have the not-made-for-aerostich version and they are even more huge and motocross-like. I was a bit self conscious about how big they made my already big feet look, until the day when the boots caused a teenage boy to hit on me. Yee-ha! Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 12 23:40:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16237; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07998; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emin36.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18369; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:39:33 -0400 (EDT) From: DRChapman@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emin36.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA24730; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970912223745_739070441@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: bmccoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: boots! In a message dated 9/12/97 01:53:46, bmccoy@XXXXXX (Brian McCoy) wrote: <> I also have a pair. What I did to make them more comfortable was I purchased a pair of the shoe insert made by Ecco, an upscale ?Italian? walking shoe maker. The inserts are cork and leather and they make the boots very comfortable. Cost about $17. Rusty Chapman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 13 09:21:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18790; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10172; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04495; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (sward@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07189 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sward@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22671 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:21:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: sward owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:21:24 -0400 (EDT) From: David Sward To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: exhaust Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For Sale: D&D Chrome Show&Go full exhaust for 1992 CBR600F2. $250/obo Email me if interested. -- David Sward sward@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 13 11:03:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19179; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10362; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05253; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimer.smart.net (a2p32dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.64]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20888 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:03:23 -0400 Message-ID: <341AAAFF.721B@smart.net> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:02:23 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Consumer News Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesterday I received my renewal notice for what I consider to be the best motorcycle magazine on the market (unbiased reviews of bikes, products). Included in this notice was a coupon for a free one year subscription for recipient of my choice. None of my friends ride (other than dirt bikes) and therefore have no need for a subscription. I will put the first name and address from the DC-Cycles list to respond to this message on the coupon; you should start receiving the magazine around December or so. I'll post to the list with the name after this has been done. On another topic....I will also be trying to get down to Fredericksburg for the PARR run tomorrow. I'll be on a black ZX-11 with MD tag and would like to meet some of the listers who will be making the run. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 13 11:25:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19280; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10449; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05445; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimer.smart.net (a2p38dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.70]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21334; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:25:39 -0400 Message-ID: <341AB037.4F87@smart.net> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:24:39 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Consumer News References: <341AAAFF.721B@smart.net> <341AAF2F.6F9F7740@13x.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen wrote: > > Ooo > Thomas: Please sign me up! > Stephen Dobson > 3041 Sylvan > Royal Oak, MI > 48073 > > Thanks a lot. > > Stephen ... Much :-) > > Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > > > Yesterday I received my renewal notice for what I consider to be the > > best motorcycle magazine on the market (unbiased reviews of bikes, > > products). Included in this notice was a coupon for a free one year > > subscription for recipient of my choice. None of my friends ride (other > > than dirt bikes) and therefore have no need for a subscription. > > > > I will put the first name and address from the DC-Cycles list to respond > > to this message on the coupon; you should start receiving the magazine > > around December or so. > > > > I'll post to the list with the name after this has been done. > > > > On another topic....I will also be trying to get down to Fredericksburg > > for the PARR run tomorrow. I'll be on a black ZX-11 with MD tag and > > would like to meet some of the listers who will be making the run. Well there you have it. Talk about a quick turnaround. Enjoy the magazine, Stephen. Funny that the winner would be from outside the DC area....DC folks are probably just a little on the slow side. ;-D -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 13 15:13:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21202; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11013; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08801; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.64.104]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA19258; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:10:37 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "Stephen" Cc: Subject: Re: Motorcycle Consumer News Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:08:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970913191035.AAA19258@default> Thomas- Stephen lives in Michigan. All of us DC area people are out riding. It's September; that's winter in Michigan. Stephen is settled down for a long season of watching cars rust. I'm pleased he will have MCN to keep him entertained until the snow melts in July. ;-) Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 13 18:02:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25801; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11571; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mh004.infi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15886; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syswsb (pm2-85.richmond.infi.net [205.219.233.85]) by mh004.infi.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA19546; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709132202.SAA19546@mh004.infi.net> X-Sender: syswsb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: east@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bill Bernstein Subject: ZX11 Engine/Bike needed for dragster Hey all, A friend of mine is currently in process of building a drag bike and wants to use a ZX11 engine in it. He's checked all his local contacts but can't come up with one. Anybody know of either an available ZX11 engine or trashed bike with said engine in tact, at a reasonable price? It needs to be in the Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina area. He doesn't have access to the internet, so if anybody knows of one, I'll pass the info along to him and he'll take it from there. (He's a pretty good guy, would like to help him out, since he's helped me out from time to time) Thanks! Bill Bernstein syswsb@XXXXXX '95 Daytona 1200 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 14 19:36:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04229; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17023; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29610; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA21989; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:41:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:41:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX cc: Suzuki List Subject: aftermarket coils In-Reply-To: <01INLKE3J0WC9KM9Z9@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I need an aftermarket coil for a 1968 CB-450 (looks like a Suzuki, of course). Points ignition. Anybody have preference between Accel and Dyna? Other recommendations/suggestions? (Or, I could install a car coil...if I can find a place for it.) Thanks. --garcia "Anything that's worth doing is worth overdoing." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 06:07:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09358; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA21123; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA08464; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id GAA23469 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:07:42 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma023467; Mon, 15 Sep 97 06:07:39 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id GAA19612 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA874317852; Mon, 15 Sep 97 06:04:15 -0500 Message-Id: <9709158743.AA874317852@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 06:03:06 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Housing... needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I've a slightly unusual post, I'm looking for a motorcycle/rider friendly place to live. My current arrangement is poor (to much $$$ for to little return, small room, abusive landlord, etc..) and I'm looking to find something new. Obvious requirement, garage.. if it's heated, I'll sleep with the bike (seriously). I'd kinda like to stay in the MD (between Greenbelt and Silver Springs) area, but I'll entertain living anywhere. Anyone have a spare room they're looking to find some extra rev. off of? Or does anyone know of anything/anyone that's in that situation... Thanks in advance for whatever help anyone can give.. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500f From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 06:25:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09389; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA21224; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA08598; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id GAA24488 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:25:42 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xmaa24426; Mon, 15 Sep 97 06:25:36 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id GAA19712; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA874318871; Mon, 15 Sep 97 06:21:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9709158743.AA874318871@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 06:19:31 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Sat, 9-13 ride report... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings one and all... Guess what, Saturday was a BEAUTIFUL day, and if you weren't out on a motorcycle, you missed what it's all about. (at least in the VA/WVa/MD/PA region) So, 2 bikes, a VF500f and a Magna V30 (same engine, 2 years apart) take off at 9am Sat. morning headed west on Rt. 50 to get away from the hussel of the city. Stop for lunch in Winchester, and I much say that the food was as good as the view. From there I'm lost on what roads we were on (like always, I really need to buy a map), but they were great. Little twisty things (sometimes a bit bumpy) that meandered all over the hillsides. I have to admit, that even if the steriotype is true about WVa's, I have to admire the places they choose to live. It's downright beautiful out there (made me homesick for my Rocky Mtns.). Well, I guess without the roads, all I can do is rave about the perfect weather, the awesome roads, and the fact that noone even THOUGHT about crashing (dnagit, I've been on enough rides where someone fails to perform through all situations). I guess I can also RAVE about the Avon Super Venom bias-ply tires for older sport bikes. These things rock, flat out, no compromises (at least on my little 500 mini'ceptor). Neutral in every aspect.. to the point where on exiting one corner, I let off the bars and the bike kept on in the perfect line. No headshake what-so-ever (there used to be a little comeing down through 40mph). Umm.. maybe if I would have come in and written this right after the ride (like I normally do), it'd have been a bit better, so what.. my butt was sore from the almost 400 mile day. Hope everyone else had a good weekend and awesome rides. Be safe.. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500fg (thinking about 97 VFR) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 07:30:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09581; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21395; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geni34.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09022; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by geni34.arl.mil (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA22632; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:30:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:26:55 +0000 (edt) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Ride For Kids Message-Id: X-X-Sender: morris@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My Fiance and I did the Ride for Kids this Saturday morning out of Columbia. It a beautiful day for it. They said they had about 400 bikes and 700 riders. The ride went over several nice rides, though not any speed to get the adrenaline going (what do you expect with 400 bikes). Though, the police escort was extremely nice. I could get used to ignoring stop signs and red lights! It was about an 1.5 hr ride from Columbia Mall to Mount St. Mary's College. We all felt good about helping the cause! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 07:53:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09686; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21569; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09222; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (sward@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA14311 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sward@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA11775 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:53:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: sward owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:53:39 -0400 (EDT) From: David Sward Reply-To: David Sward To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Argh. Ah well. Email me for more information or if you're interested. 1992 CBR600F2 Asking $4100 15,926 miles This bike looks & sounds great! Includes: K&N air filter Factory +4 ignition advancer Factory jet kit Scorpio alarm w/ remote Vance & Hines SS2R full exhaust New Ferodo "black" front brake pads Lockhart tank half-bra Stock exhaust (not installed) Honda factory manual Clymer manual Owner's manual :) Under-seat tool kit Vance & Hines spring puller (if I can find it) 4 untouched exhaust gaskets Somewhat dirty Dow bike cover probably some other stuff, too 1990 EX500 Asking $1000/as is 12,597 miles Ok, this bike isn't pretty. But this has benefits: 1. Nobody will try to steal it 2. If you drop it, you won't notice the damage This is a great beginners bike. Includes: Jet kit Vance & Hines Supersport full exhaust Color-matching bungee net A bunch of miscellaneous parts & stuff Hein Gerike/First Gear Scout II jacket Asking $300/obo Men's size 48 This jacket is too big for me (now ... heh). It includes a snap-in liner for cold weather. There are lots of pocket for all your stuff. It has front back zippers in front of perforated leather for venting. D&D Chrome Show & Go full exhaust Asking $250/obo This came off the F2. OSI Gloves Asking $10 Men's XL (I believe) I'll also throw in as a bonus 10 pairs of foam ear plugs with any purchase. These have 33db attenuation. *sigh* -- David Sward sward@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 09:05:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10033; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22135; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10329; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC1B6.24B52070@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: Wider is Better Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:02:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT OK Folks, It's 'New Rear Tire Time' (tm) for my LTD. I've currently got a Kenda 130/90 H16 (5.10 H16) load rated 'C' tire on there that's got loads of weather cracking. Time for a new one. My question(s) are: Must I get the same size tire installed, or more specifically, can I get a wider back tire put on the stock rim instead? Fat rear tires rule! What do all the numbers mean for tire sizes? I know the H is the speed rating, the 16 is the wheel diameter, but what's the other stuff? Please help me before I end up buying a skinny bicycle tire by mistake. Thanks in advance, Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 10:15:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10872; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22905; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12235; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA25733 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970915101320_-398758086@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: closet too full Hi, Some of you know me - I'm the one who sells used leather. I'm mostly a lurker, and have been shy about taking up bandwidth with advertising. However, I recently purchased some left over inventory from an accessory shop which closed. I thought I would offer it to DC listers before advertising widely. All these items are new, most still have store tags and other packaging. Arai NR-2 helmets. One white medium and one black XL. $220 each. Fieldsheer Lightning one piece rainsuit. Black/red/gray. XL and XXL. $60 each. Fieldsheer Diamond two piece rainsuit. Black/red/gray. Medium and XXL. $35 each. Corbin black leather backrest. $100. Vanson Avenger jacket, black, size 48. $350. Vanson Comet jacket, black, size 44 and size 46. $260 each. Vanson SRX jacket, black, size 42 and size 46. $325 each. Vanson PTSR pants, black, size 38. $290. Roadgear Oregon Trail jacket, black, size 46 and size 48. A very nice clone of the Hein Gericke Dakar jacket. $250 each. Roadgear All-Season glove, black, sizes Med, Lg, XL and XXL. $28 each. Roadgear Winter glove, black, size large and XL. $ 30 each. Golden Spectro 20/50. $3.50 per quart, or $36 per case. Spectro synthetic gear oil 75/90, $8 per quart. thanks, Colleen http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 11:29:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12084; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23764; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14699; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC1CA.488E4850@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:27:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: To: , Subject: RE: maintainance class Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:26:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 57 TEXT, 58 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Did I miss these classes this summer, or was this a nice idea that never actually happened? Horkster ---------- From: Rich and Leslie Sturges[SMTP:sturges@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, March 14, 1997 7:50 AM To: DC-Cycles List Subject: maintainance class OK, a number of local riders are interested in a bike maintainance class. Here's what I propose: * Class will be held at the North Team Charm Headquarters; Steve's house in Gaithersburg, VA. If you see Steve be sure to tell him :) * A $5 or $10 charge will be assessed, and the proceeds will go into Team Charm expenses. That should buy us 7/8 of a gallon of gas. We should have Team Charm shirt available by then, for further fund raising. * At least two classes will be necessary. Target weekends will be sometime in May and June, with possibly a third session. * The idea is to teach you how to maintain your bike and how to spot trouble. For the first class I envision: mechanical common sense checking oil, water, battery acid levels checking tires, brakes check bearings (steering head, etc) lubing throttle and clutch cables adjust control position and cable tension suspension adjustments carb adjustment (idle only) bleeding brake lines changing brake pads check, lube and adjust the chain check and charged the battery changing the oil and filter (byo oil, filter, and drain pan) * The second class might look something like this: carb adjustment (jetting) carb synchronization adjusted the valve clearances changing fork oil changing steering head bearings comments welcome. rich begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@$/`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06 `P`.````S0<)``\` M"P`:`#H``0!,`0$@@ ,`#@```,T'"0`/``L`&@`[``$`30$!"8 !`"$````U M,T$Q-$$P-D1$,D1$,3$Q0C@U,C P03!#.3 S-3(X0@#\!@$-@ 0``@````(` M`@`!!( !`!<```!213H@;6%I;G1A:6YA;F-E(&-L87-S``\(`0.0!@"<" `` M&@````,`)@```````P`V```````#`"X```````,`!A X_DP5`P`'$/<$```> M``@0`0```&4```!$241)34E34U1(15-%0TQ!4U-%4U1(25-354U-15(L3U)7 M05-42$E304Y)0T5)1$5!5$A!5$Y%5D5204-454%,3%E(05!014Y%1#](3U)+ M4U1%4BTM+2TM+2TM+2U&4D]-.E))``````,`$! ``````P`1$ `````"`0D0 M`0```)L%``"7!0``3PH``$Q:1G6[=54L_P`*`0\"%0*D`^0%ZP*#`% 3`U0" M`&-H"L!S970N,@8`!L,"@S(/>FAEHFP#($1L9P*#,P/&RP<3`H,T%*]F-0/% M`@#8<')Q$B 5*#81)Q>3NP=M`H!]"H (SPG9.QM?>#(U-0* "H$-L0M@;O!G M,3 S%) +"AB!"_ -%1(/ $ M`"!S=:)M!X!R+" %L76LA4 >13 0`=#EO-'YU_&)J*W$[CR^K M`, +@ &0/PN `' CH2%3)[\HPS,VGRHW%)(,`2LV"H5/2R* BR-A(C!B)0%O M9B :\/IC!T @-Y$$D"-!&V CP'\", 20!Y G@"!@"X C46)\:6LA,$*?,P`F MQDEA)YT$('X[,6$DX4QA: A@$? * MA;M344GA1PMP(/$1X&(QD;$B@%9!+B!P2 !Y"& _(A )X%(43S(B($D!=&]/ M(. 3TB'@4, Z*4V/0>@@)#4BDB0>@"% $<'O,;!.YR%S$?!D1T$PT4_R[RLQ M(Z )@$[59U: 0K%6@.=0DE+X4.1E>"7Q(9%4P/I4)))S4J%/D51 ):!2P-DX MX"\X1^(C8&05=6`5[4"H41P&\D\%+X4)E>P&D`("-0=K\+ M< M@`F!5T26@(/%N(H![`A %P&8(<%/R98$PT7+_"W `D!Y@2Z97R05 /< A M!_6UA8R!1/< D\#+P>V]\ M `($"('DZ(B!T\(ETAS7_!X ",("\"L"')HNB@F @4/]DD0(@ M)9"#JV2!"8!\4,@A/$#`'K?)*")K8=$EL5D,&Q5P3VQ_PK 0Q*07Y%C M95&!P'RQIX]_?'*"BX'7)EQZHHNR:M%L_S,A=A<%$!&P1"\J-Q;R1@\*(!J! M`+'@`!X`< `!````%P```%)%.B!M86EN=&%I;F%N8V4@8VQAPC4L,3Z(PMU1'1K6 ``, BKPX``$ `.0"40J/.Z\&\`0,` M\3\)! ```@%'``$````Q````8SU54SMA/2 [<#U41%,M1TX[;#U-04XM,3$Q M,2TY-S Y,34Q-3(V-3A:+3$V,C0S``````(!^3\!````2 ````````#; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:42:51 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D04ACA5@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sturges@XXXXXX Subject: RE: maintainance class Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:42:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I would definitely be interested in this type of class if it is still being offered/considered... > -----Original Message----- > From: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 15, 1997 11:27 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; sturges@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: maintainance class > > Did I miss these classes this summer, or was this a nice idea > that never actually happened? > > Horkster > > ---------- > From: Rich and Leslie Sturges[SMTP:sturges@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 1997 7:50 AM > To: DC-Cycles List > Subject: maintainance class > > > OK, a number of local riders are interested in a bike > maintainance class. > Here's what I propose: > > * Class will be held at the North Team Charm Headquarters; > Steve's house > in Gaithersburg, VA. If you see Steve be sure to tell him :) > > * A $5 or $10 charge will be assessed, and the proceeds will go > into Team > Charm expenses. That should buy us 7/8 of a gallon of gas. We > should > have > Team Charm shirt available by then, for further fund raising. > > * At least two classes will be necessary. Target weekends will > be sometime > in May and June, with possibly a third session. > > * The idea is to teach you how to maintain your bike and how to > spot > trouble. > For the first class I envision: > > mechanical common sense > checking oil, water, battery acid levels > checking tires, brakes > check bearings (steering head, etc) > lubing throttle and clutch cables > adjust control position and cable tension > suspension adjustments > carb adjustment (idle only) > bleeding brake lines > changing brake pads > check, lube and adjust the chain > check and charged the battery > changing the oil and filter (byo oil, filter, and drain > pan) > > > * The second class might look something like this: > carb adjustment (jetting) > carb synchronization > adjusted the valve clearances > changing fork oil > changing steering head bearings > > comments welcome. > rich > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 18:15:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20163; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04301; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00966; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.73.88]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA24221; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:15:05 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Wider is Better Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:12:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970915221503.AAA24221@default> Dale- The 130 is section width--the width at the widest part of the tire, in millimeters. The 90 is aspect ratio or profile--the height of the tire section from the wheel to the ground is 90% of the section width. To go wider you have 2 concerns: the width of the wheel and the amount of space you have between the sides of the swingarm. A wheel that takes a 130 will probably tolerate a 150. Please note I know nothing about LTDs. You are on your own for swingarm clearance, but 20 mm is 7/16 inch on either side, give or take. You can then look for aspect ratios that please you. A 150/90 will be 34 mm taller than what you have now. This will slow your acceleration and lower hiway rpm. I can't say how much, but probably not offensively. A 150/80 will be 6mm taller than your 130 (almost identical). A 150/70 will be 24mm shorter. This will improve acceleration and raise hiway rpm. It also might look dumb. I'd go for the 150/80, but you'll have to check it out. I really like Bridgestone Spitfires. They don't cost a lot more than cheapies like Kenda, Cheng Shin, or IRC, but they last twice as long and handle better and are fine in raingrooves. My ex-girlfriend had IRCs and they wandered in raingrooves in the Smokies. I got over 10000 (rear) and over 15000 (front) miles on a Spitfire on my 73 CB750. The IRCs lasted 4000 on a 78 CB550. Mileage may not matter to you if your tires dry-rot before you wear out the tread. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 20:26:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21959; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05165; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04553; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA15588 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <341DFC9C.126C@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:27:24 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Thanks Listers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, Thanks to all the listers who provided me with the information sought regarding a certain type of traffic infraction in Virginia. regards, john kozyn http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 15 23:13:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23530; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06363; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07878; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA22093; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:08:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:07:07 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Wider is Better To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Horkster, Two pieces of advice;don't mount just any larger tire,and stay away from them JC Whitney specials!Mounting a tire on too small of a rim can deform the the tread profile and screw up your handling.Bias plies usually are more tolerant than radials,which require a wider rim than a comperable-size bias ply.For a 16" rear,Dunlop,Metzler,and Avon all make wider-size tires that are made to fit on narrow stock rims(Dunlop/ Metzler both have 150's for the Harley 883 racers and Avon makes tires for vintage racers). Remember that Bell ad about if you have a $50 head,wear a $50 helmet?Same holds true for tires.I'd never trust riding on anything but the big names.With tires,you definitely get what you pay for. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 09:08:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27621; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11344; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17179; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-205.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.205]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA13906 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:07:58 -0400 Message-ID: <341E848A.41209EC@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:07:22 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wider is Better References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the other side of this argument. Gil M. Nissley wrote: > Two pieces of advice;don't mount just any larger tire,and stay away > from them JC Whitney specials! Don't mount just any larger tire, more than 1 or two sizes might be hard to get on the rim and may not give enough clearance. On older high mileage bikes, handling changes caused by tires are MUCH less significant than handling changes caused by riding an old worn out bike. JC Whitney has some decent tires, the only reason I don't use them anymore is because I can't consistently get the same tire from them. If I switch tire brands, then I don't know whether the handling change was caused by the tire or the rest of the bike. > Mounting a tire on too small of a rim can > deform the the tread profile and screw up your handling. But probably not as bad as loose steering head bearings.. . . stuff about racers and radials deleted. > Remember that Bell ad about if you have a $50 head,wear a $50 > helmet?Same holds true for tires.I'd never trust riding on anything but > the big names.With tires,you definitely get what you pay for. I suspect Gil doesn't patch his tires when they go flat, and I like my $39 JC Whitney helmet. I use Metzlers, I've been getting 25,000 miles from the ME88 Marathon rear tire (even the one that needed two plugs went that far) and either 35,000 or 45,000 from the ME88 Marathon front tire (depending on which bike it was on). With those distances, they compare favorably with JC Whitney tires, and I get the same tire every time. On the Ninja, I haven't worn out any tires yet, I've only ridden it 9500 miles. I have a ME88 in back and a ME33 up front, I couldn't find a 16 inch Marathon front tire. Bottom line is think before you buy. Both Gil and I ride sporty bikes, but we have very different styles in purchasing. YMMV. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 12:15:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02405; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16976; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26026; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA24496 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:14:31 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:14:31 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Wider is Better Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:11:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 11 TEXT, 40 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 > Remember that Bell ad about if you have a $50 head,wear a $50 > helmet?Same holds true for tires.I'd never trust riding on anything but > the big names.With tires,you definitely get what you pay for. I think I'm in trouble - I remember that ad as a $10 helmet... 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M````/@```#QC/553)6$]7R5P/59I; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:51:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Wider is Better Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:51:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT Leon wrote: ---------- JC Whitney has some decent tires, the only reason I don't use them anymore is because I can't consistently get the same tire from them. If I switch tire brands, then I don't know whether the handling change was caused by the tire or the rest of the bike. Yeah, I've noticed how brand names are conspicuously absent from most of the JC Whitney listings. I'm a little reluctant to buy stuff from them because of that. and he also wrote: I use Metzlers, I've been getting 25,000 miles from the ME88 Marathon rear tire (even the one that needed two plugs went that far) and either 35,000 or 45,000 from the ME88 Marathon front tire (depending on which bike it was on). With those distances, they compare favorably with JC Whitney tires, and I get the same tire every time. On the Ninja, I haven't worn out any tires yet, I've only ridden it 9500 miles. I have a ME88 in back and a ME33 up front, I couldn't find a 16 inch Marathon front tire. That's what I have right now, a ME33 Laser on the front, and a Metzeler ME88 Marathon on the back. If I get 25K out of them, I'll be pleased. Check with me next year :-) Actually, that will about double the mileage on my 19 year old bike. With the new sprockets, chain, tires, etc. that I've just put on, my LTD is just about Iron Butt worthy. I'm tempted to try for a SaddleSore 1000 here in the next couple of weeks. Leon and his intrepid moped-riding son have inspired me! Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 16:05:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06760; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21034; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04860; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA10438 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:04:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199709162004.AA10438@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:04:48 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:04:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:02:47 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Wider is Better To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 129tnU00001rS ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME on a related note concerning the Metzlers..I have the ME33/ME88 combo on my 85 Magna and this spring I noticed that both tires have small cracks running around the sidewalls...it doesn't seem to be affecting the handling or air pressure but I'm concerned that I'd be riding somewhere (most likely out in the middle of nowhere...Murphys Law), and I'll suffer a blowout...any idea what caused these cracks and should I be concerned? cheers, -aki AMF, DOD, CIA, FBI, KGB,.yada yada yada... > Leon wrote: > ---------- > JC Whitney has some > decent tires, the only reason I don't use them anymore is because I can't > consistently get the same tire from them. If I switch tire brands, then I > don't know whether the handling change was caused by the tire or the rest > of the bike. > > Yeah, I've noticed how brand names are conspicuously absent > from most of the JC Whitney listings. I'm a little reluctant to > buy stuff from them because of that. > > and he also wrote: > I use Metzlers, I've been getting 25,000 miles from the ME88 Marathon rear > tire (even the one that needed two plugs went that far) and either 35,000 > or 45,000 from the ME88 Marathon front tire (depending on which bike it > was > on). With those distances, they compare favorably with JC Whitney tires, > and I get the same tire every time. On the Ninja, I haven't worn out any > tires yet, I've only ridden it 9500 miles. I have a ME88 in back and a > ME33 > up front, I couldn't find a 16 inch Marathon front tire. > > That's what I have right now, a ME33 Laser on the front, and a Metzeler > ME88 Marathon on the back. If I get 25K out of them, I'll be pleased. > Check with me next year :-) Actually, that will about double the mileage > on > my 19 year old bike. With the new sprockets, chain, tires, etc. that I've > just > put on, my LTD is just about Iron Butt worthy. I'm tempted to try for a > SaddleSore 1000 here in the next couple of weeks. Leon and his intrepid > moped-riding son have inspired me! > > Horkster > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 17:04:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07421; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22147; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06482; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.116.65.202]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA4595; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:03:56 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Aki.Damme" , Subject: Re: Wider is Better Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:01:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970916210354.AAA4595@default> Aki- The cracks are dry rot, caused by old age. I don't think dry rot is likely to cause a problem until it is fairly severe, but if it was me, I'd buy new tires. And if you get dry rot before you wear out the tread, consider stickier tires. The extra performance may help you some day, and there's no money lost in wearing them out before they go bad. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 17:07:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07478; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22170; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06532; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:07:18 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA21267 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:06:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021254; Tue Sep 16 16:06:26 1997 Message-ID: <341EF534.51B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:08:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Cracks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki remarked about tire cracks in the sidewall. Generally, tire deterioration is due to one of two factors: heat/sunlight, or oil/petroleum products. The heat/sunlight will oxidize the tire's rubber compounds, hardening them and making them prone to crack. Any petroleum product also will break down the tire's components, contributing to a weakening of the casing. For these reasons, the best things you can do for your tires are: a) keep them out of the sun, if not riding. This means garaged, or under cover; b) keep them clean, washing off oil and road grime. Use DAWN dishwashing liquid, which is very good at breaking down oil; c) Don't use Armor-All or other "vinyl protectants" on tires. They generally are slick, made with petroleum products, and will contribute to the rubber breakdown. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 17:12:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07531; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22251; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06703; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA18450 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:11:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA04590 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA18346 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:11:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wider is Better X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970916211116.AAA18346@localHost> On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:02:47 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme": >on a related note concerning the Metzlers..I have the ME33/ME88 >combo on my 85 Magna and this spring I noticed that both tires >have small cracks running around the sidewalls...it doesn't seem >to be affecting the handling or air pressure but I'm concerned >that I'd be riding somewhere (most likely out in the middle of >nowhere...Murphys Law), and I'll suffer a blowout...any idea >what caused these cracks and should I be concerned? Aki, Sounds like your tires are dry rotting. This is not good. How old are they? Do you park outdoors? You should be concerned. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 17:30:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07898; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22538; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07192; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA12640 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:29:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199709162129.AA12640@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:29:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:29:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:27:22 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Wider is Better To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970916211116.AAA18346@localHost> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 129uKi00003AU ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME > On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:02:47 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme": > >on a related note concerning the Metzlers..I have the ME33/ME88 > >combo on my 85 Magna and this spring I noticed that both tires > >have small cracks running around the sidewalls...it doesn't seem > >to be affecting the handling or air pressure but I'm concerned > >that I'd be riding somewhere (most likely out in the middle of > >nowhere...Murphys Law), and I'll suffer a blowout...any idea > >what caused these cracks and should I be concerned? > > Aki, > > Sounds like your tires are dry rotting. This is not good. How old > are they? Do you park outdoors? You should be concerned. > > Todd > ..that's what I think is wrong too...they're only about two years old but until recently (last October), I had to keep the bikes under cover outside (townhouse)...now that we've bought a house with a drive in basement, we keep both bikes in the basement during the winter...oh well..I guess I'll have to buy new tires before the spring..I think they'll be ok for the rest of this fall/winter but I'll definately have to buy new tires before going on any poker runs or long rides I guess....oh well..it just pisses me off that I'll have to fork over $$$ for new tires when I've got so much tread left on these... cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 18:44:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09101; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24269; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09549; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as61s16.erols.com [207.172.50.207]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17887; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970916184429.00764f74@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:44:29 -0400 To: "Aki.Damme" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Wider is Better In-Reply-To: <199709162129.AA12640@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <19970916211116.AAA18346@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >...oh well..it just >pisses me off that I'll have to fork over $$$ for new tires >when I've got so much tread left on these... > >cheers, >-aki > he he he....I know the feeling....The Avon I just changed out on the front still had 3+ mm of tread down the center....As for the outside inch and a half..well...... :) Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 19:55:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10080; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24754; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11448; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Bergie ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11836 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709162359.TAA11836@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: TRACK DAY Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:52:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lester (YZF1K) and I (ZX11) have signed up for the upcoming Cycle Sport Track Day at Summit Point (Oct 6th), and I was wondering if anyone else on the list is going? If you need more information, please let me know and I will fax you the forms available from Cycle Sport. Bergie M. Frazier, Jr., Owner Paragon Consulting 4451 Brookfield Corporate Drive, Suite 112 Chantilly, VA 20151-1693 TEL: 703-968-3023 FAX: 703-968-3025 EMAIL: bergie@XXXXXX www.paragon-consulting.com NEW STORE HOURS: 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM (Monday - Friday) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 20:28:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10347; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24954; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12029; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.177.25.196]) by mail.his.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA26285; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970916202237.00740140@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:22:48 -0400 To: , , From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: maintainance class Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:26 AM 9/15/97 -0400, dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >Did I miss these classes this summer, or was this a nice idea >that never actually happened? > >Horkster It never happened. Rich & I talked about doing this, but the race season has evaporated our time this summer like water on hot pavement...:-) Our last race is Oct 4, so after that I would be willing to do this at the Team Charm World head-1/4's. We are going to work up some '97 tee shirts that should be avaible, and we will have time to do it after our race season ends. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 20:40:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10457; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25079; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12256; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:40:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA28670 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970916203702_-1734204960@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tire date code (was wider is better) >..that's what I think is wrong too...they're only about two years >old Is 2 years how old the tires are, or just how long they have been on the bike? The date of manufacture is coded into the DOT number on the side of every tire sold legally in the US. Here's how to read it: Find the dot number, and look at the last three digits. If they say 175, the tire was made in the 17th week of 1995 (it could also be 1985). It the last 3 #s are 512, it was made in the 51st week of 1992. When you buy a tire in a shop, you can check the date yourself and see how old it is. When I worked in a shop, people used to bring in tires that they had mail ordered for us to mount. It was not uncommon for those tires to be up to five years old. This is the best argument I know against mail ordering tires. Colleen http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 21:20:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11116; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25354; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13455; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as61s16.erols.com [207.172.50.207]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12461; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970916212123.0075d7a0@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:21:23 -0400 To: "Bergie Frazier Jr" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: TRACK DAY In-Reply-To: <199709162359.TAA11836@smtp1.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd love to, but I really can't justify nearly $500 or more for one day of play and not even getting my race license for it. If it weren't for the prep time involved, the race school held the same weekend would probably be more cost effective...but who has time anymore... Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 16 23:24:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12099; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26509; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15369; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA29104; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:20:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:18:12 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Wider is Better To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Jordan, Michael wrote: > > Remember that Bell ad about if you have a $50 head,wear a $50 > > helmet?Same holds true for tires.I'd never trust riding on anything but > > the big names.With tires,you definitely get what you pay for. > I think I'm in trouble - I remember that ad as a $10 helmet... I adjusted for inflation. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 03:57:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA14182; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA27911; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA18751; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id DAA06550 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:57:11 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma006532; Wed, 17 Sep 97 03:56:43 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id DAA28312 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA874482795; Wed, 17 Sep 97 03:53:17 -0500 Message-Id: <9709178744.AA874482795@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 03:52:15 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *sigh* you are all talking about leaving tires on bikes for 2 years, and getting 20K+ miles on them.. AND about buying lower priced tires... heck, I'm replacing the rear 3-4 times a year, and the front 1-2.. and I ride EASY.. talk with Collin who's going through tires about once a month or so... And it's not like we're looking for discount tires either... these are around $150 each (well, mine are a bit cheaper just due to the fact that they aren't a new design.) As far as cracks, I had 'em when I first bought the bike this time last year.. I just rode the rest of the tread off before replacing, but then again, all I did was commute on them at that point. ride safe, whatever you do.. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500fg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 04:01:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA14286; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA28124; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA18858; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id EAA06704 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:01:42 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma006702; Wed, 17 Sep 97 04:01:39 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id EAA28335 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA874483090; Wed, 17 Sep 97 03:58:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9709178744.AA874483090@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 03:57:24 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: TRACK DAY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit whee.... guess I'll be seeing some of you guys up close and personal. I'm a cornerworker ya see.. I pick up the people that panic in the corner and go wide.. or just plain eat it. Actually, I hear it's nowhere near as bad as the 600cc Amateur Supercrash..er supersport CCS race.. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: TRACK DAY Author: "Bergie Frazier Jr" at smtplink-micros Date: 9/16/97 7:52 PM Lester (YZF1K) and I (ZX11) have signed up for the upcoming Cycle Sport Track Day at Summit Point (Oct 6th), and I was wondering if anyone else on the list is going? If you need more information, please let me know and I will fax you the forms available from Cycle Sport. Bergie M. Frazier, Jr., Owner Paragon Consulting 4451 Brookfield Corporate Drive, Suite 112 Chantilly, VA 20151-1693 TEL: 703-968-3023 FAX: 703-968-3025 EMAIL: bergie@XXXXXX www.paragon-consulting.com NEW STORE HOURS: 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM (Monday - Friday) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 08:03:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15607; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29042; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21250; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC33F.BDB51B10@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:00:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:00:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT Dang! I'd either switch to a higher mileage compound in my tires or retire that tupperware-covered sportbike in favor of a nice cruiser. ;-) Oh, my, time to bring out the flame-proof jumpsuit. I might have just angered the knee-dragger community! =:o Horkster ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 4:52 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) *sigh* you are all talking about leaving tires on bikes for 2 years, and getting 20K+ miles on them.. AND about buying lower priced tires... heck, I'm replacing the rear 3-4 times a year, and the front 1-2.. and I ride EASY.. talk with Collin who's going through tires about once a month or so... And it's not like we're looking for discount tires either... these are around $150 each (well, mine are a bit cheaper just due to the fact that they aren't a new design.) As far as cracks, I had 'em when I first bought the bike this time last year.. I just rode the rest of the tread off before replacing, but then again, all I did was commute on them at that point. ride safe, whatever you do.. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500fg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 08:14:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15686; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29195; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21389; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAE025.99; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:13:52 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970917075216.009b0660@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:52:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Wider is Better In-Reply-To: <199709162004.AA10438@egate2.citicorp.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:02 PM 9/16/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote: >on a related note concerning the Metzlers..I have the ME33/ME88 >combo on my 85 Magna and this spring I noticed that both tires >have small cracks running around the sidewalls...it doesn't seem >to be affecting the handling or air pressure but I'm concerned >that I'd be riding somewhere (most likely out in the middle of >nowhere...Murphys Law), and I'll suffer a blowout...any idea >what caused these cracks and should I be concerned? Ozone cracks. The safe answer is to go ahead and replace the tires. However, if the cracks are short and small, and do not connect with each other, it's probably okay to keep riding on them. If you can see into the cracks (seeing the inside of the tire) or the cracks are connecting with each other, then definitely replace the tires. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 08:23:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15755; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29275; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21491; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC343.202C98B0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:24:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:24:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT Well I have one them so called "cruisers" and I go through tires about as equally as Brian, at least mileage wise. I'm lucky to get 5500 miles out of a ME55. About 10K miles for a ME33 (front). Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >Dang! I'd either switch to a higher mileage compound in my tires or retire >that tupperware-covered sportbike in favor of a nice cruiser. ;-) > >Oh, my, time to bring out the flame-proof jumpsuit. I might have just >angered the knee-dragger community! =:o > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 08:53:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16089; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29551; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21890; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA02006 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 05:53:11 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 05:53:11 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 05:49:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT, 45 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Well I have one them so called "cruisers" and I go through tires about >as equally as Brian, at least mileage wise. I'm lucky to get 5500 miles >out of a ME55. About 10K miles for a ME33 (front). Maybe that answers one of my questions - I was wondering if I would get higher mileage from a ME55/33 combo than from my present ME Z/2 combo - looks like the Z/2s are better. 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Might relate to our tire expendetures... all else considered (engines are the same, age is close to the same, the geometry of the frame is different..) Brian - (he who follows Glenn on rides - and has lots of fun) --------------reply---------- Well I have one them so called "cruisers" and I go through tires about as equally as Brian, at least mileage wise. I'm lucky to get 5500 miles out of a ME55. About 10K miles for a ME33 (front). Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >Dang! I'd either switch to a higher mileage compound in my tires or retire >that tupperware-covered sportbike in favor of a nice cruiser. ;-) > >Oh, my, time to bring out the flame-proof jumpsuit. I might have just >angered the knee-dragger community! =:o > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 09:29:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16400; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01399; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22825; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC34B.CFF9CF30@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Re[2]: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:26:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 46 TEXT See, I don't corner like you guys do, so my main concern with my ME33/ME88 setup is dry rotting. I'll need to do a LOT of riding before I wear the tread off of these puppies. Since I don't have a garage to keep my bikes nice and dry and warm, I need to find out what is the best way to keep my tires in good shape. I've heard that stuff like Armor-all protectant does more harm than good, and is slippery to boot. Anyone have advice/experience on how to fight Father Time and dry rot. Horkster ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 9:48 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) Glenn neglected to mention that he goes through the CORNERS about as equally as myself too. Might relate to our tire expendetures... all else considered (engines are the same, age is close to the same, the geometry of the frame is different..) Brian - (he who follows Glenn on rides - and has lots of fun) --------------reply---------- Well I have one them so called "cruisers" and I go through tires about as equally as Brian, at least mileage wise. I'm lucky to get 5500 miles out of a ME55. About 10K miles for a ME33 (front). Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >Dang! I'd either switch to a higher mileage compound in my tires or retire >that tupperware-covered sportbike in favor of a nice cruiser. ;-) > >Oh, my, time to bring out the flame-proof jumpsuit. I might have just >angered the knee-dragger community! =:o > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 09:31:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16452; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01430; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22872; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC34C.A86121C0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:32:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Jordan, Michael'" Subject: RE: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:32:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 15 TEXT I think I'd stick with the MEZ2 regardless. Aren't those radials? I'd much rather have radials then the alternative bias-ply. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >Maybe that answers one of my questions - I was wondering if I would get >higher mileage from a ME55/33 combo than from my present ME Z/2 combo - looks >like the Z/2s are better. I'm getting right at 8K from a rear (160/70 Z17) >and about twice that to a front (110/80 Z18) on my GSX 1100GP ridden >relatively briskly (for a truck). > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 09:46:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16641; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01686; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23258; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA28562 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:46:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199709171346.AA28562@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:46:00 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:46:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 9:35:39 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: tire date code (was wider is better) To: MotorLE@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <970916203702_-1734204960@emout05.mail.aol.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 129KmJ00006SA ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME hmmm...interesting..I didn't know that...the tires have been on the bike for two years...you've got my curiosity now...I'll have to check this evening..thanks for this most valuable info! cheers, -aki > >..that's what I think is wrong too...they're only about two years > >old > > Is 2 years how old the tires are, or just how long they have been on the > bike? The date of manufacture is coded into the DOT number on the side of > every tire sold legally in the US. Here's how to read it: > > Find the dot number, and look at the last three digits. If they say 175, the > tire was made in the 17th week of 1995 (it could also be 1985). It the last 3 > #s are 512, it was made in the 51st week of 1992. > > When you buy a tire in a shop, you can check the date yourself and see how > old it is. When I worked in a shop, people used to bring in tires that they > had mail ordered for us to mount. It was not uncommon for those tires to be > up to five years old. This is the best argument I know against mail ordering > tires. > > Colleen > > http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 09:57:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16773; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02296; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23572; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04818 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:57:10 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:57:10 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:54:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT, 45 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >I think I'd stick with the MEZ2 regardless. Aren't those radials? I'd >much rather have radials then the alternative bias-ply. Yep - they're radials and I'm quite happy with the performance - I'm just trying to get my annual tire cost below $550 or so. I'd like to get a greater cost delta between my tire and gas costs ($.0355/mile) and tire costs ($.0344/mile). I know I won't reach car costs for tires, but would like to pay less than 5.5 times the cost for tires for the scooter. 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Well, if yer pissed off anyway, get something worth a damn and have fun on them. A real sticky compound is more fun and confidence inspiring than the kadjillion mile tire. And before they rot, the tread will be gone and you'll be pissed off again to have to spend more $$$, until you realize how much more fun your having anyway. Bikes are expensive toys, and if your not spending 110% of your disposable income on yours, your not having enough fun. ;-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 10:01:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16876; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02580; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23700; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA03662 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA31054 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA2581 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:01:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wider is Better X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970917140104.AAA2581@localHost> > >>...oh well..it just >>pisses me off that I'll have to fork over $$$ for new tires >>when I've got so much tread left on these... >> >>cheers, >>-aki >> >he he he....I know the feeling....The Avon I just changed out on the front >still had 3+ mm of tread down the center....As for the outside inch and a >half..well...... :) >Collin Just look how much fun Collin is having!! Spending way in excess of 110% of his disposable income and literally ripping the tires apart :-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 10:03:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16907; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02816; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23745; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id KAC034.13; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:03:36 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970917100228.009c92e0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:02:28 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Re[2]: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:26 AM 9/17/97 -0400, dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >See, I don't corner like you guys do, so my main concern with my >ME33/ME88 setup is dry rotting. I'll need to do a LOT of riding before >I wear the tread off of these puppies. Since I don't have a garage to >keep my bikes nice and dry and warm, I need to find out what is the >best way to keep my tires in good shape. I've heard that stuff like Armor-all protectant does more harm than good, and is slippery to boot. > >Anyone have advice/experience on how to fight Father Time and dry rot. I've read to keep tires away from electric motors (like freezers in your basement, etc) 'cause motors put out ozone, and that attacks rubber. You might try bagging the bike over the winter, to keep it in a sealed environment. Someone mentioned keeping the tires clean, so no oil/grease stays on them. Call the tire manufacturer and see what they say. Other than that, I like that other comment in this thread to get stickier tires. If you're going to replace tires at a given rate due to natural aging, there's no sense in having tires whose tread lasts longer than that. Either that, or you need to ride a lot more. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 10:12:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17030; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03355; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23997; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00762; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA07183; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA11583; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:11:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles , st1100 Subject: Clutch Fluid replace X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970917141119.AAA11583@localHost> xpost because of the common nature of the procedure: I was looking in the Honda Common Service Manual last night to find out how to replace the hydraulic clutch fluid. Here is the procedure paraphrased: 1. Attach bleed hose to bleed bolt nipple and loosen bolt 2. Pump on clutch lever until there is no more fluid leaving the bleed bolt. 3. Re-tighten bleed bolt 4. Add fresh fluid to resevoir and replace diaphragm and cap 5. Attach a brake bleeding vacuum (I have a mity-vac) to the bleed bolt and apply vacuum. 6. Open bleed bolt and allow vacuum draw. 7. Replenish fluid as needed w/o allowing an empty resevoir. 8. Once fluid appears at bleed bolt, close it and top off resevoir. ?? - Has anyone done this and is it correct? I see a potential for allowing air in the line. There is also a procedure to get rid of air in the lines, but that seemed a little cryptic. Any help? Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 10:24:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17217; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03600; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24430; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA03219 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:24:17 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma003175; Wed, 17 Sep 97 10:23:48 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA02748 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA874506017; Wed, 17 Sep 97 10:20:21 -0500 Message-Id: <9709178745.AA874506017@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 10:17:30 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[4]: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back when I was running 33/88 combo - I'd still wear them out in short order.... I think the most I ever got from a rear was 6k - front would last 9k or so... This was on both a VF500 and a CB1100 - so, big or small, they would wear alike.. another parital bit.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 11:12:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18129; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05787; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26009; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA09923 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:11:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009900; Wed Sep 17 10:10:46 1997 Message-ID: <341FF353.6E09@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:12:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wider is Better (& other tire stuff) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale: Your tire's worst enemy is sunlight. You'll prolong their life significantly if you keep them out of direct sunlight (and away from ozone, which is much more difficult). You are correct that Armor-All is bad news for tires. It not only makes them slick, it contributes to sidewall breakdown because it contains petroleum distillates. Keeping the tire away from air and sunlight is the ticket. Most new tires are coated with a waxy substance at the factory. This is why brand new tires need a few hundred miles to get "scuffed in" before they really grip. Using silicone spray or silicone grease on the sidewalls will help keep them from oxidizing, and not break down the rubber. But you need to exercise extreme caution not to get it down into the tread area, or you'll make for a slick tire. A coat of carnuba wax (or other non-petroleum wax such as beeswax) will probably work well too. But the tire won't look good; the wax will get hazy and whitish. As an ex-bicycle nut, who routinely paid big $$$ for bicycle tires hand made with silk casings and hand-applied treads, I speak from experience that you can be very extreme when it comes to extending tire life. We used to deflate and elevate all tires when not in use, dust 'em with talcum powder to keep light off the rubber, store them in cool, dark, dry areas (in the freezer when folded up!), and even use nitrogen inflation cartridges so the tire wasn't exposed to oxygen on the inside. We were dealing with rubber sidewalls that were very, very thin. Motorcycle tires aren't that delicate. Generally, exercising some common-sense habits will help tremendously. Park your bike in the garage, if you have one. If not, cover it and park it in the shade. Expose the tires to as little sunlight as possible. This means when not in use, and when resting during a ride. Bikes look beautiful in the sunlight, but for your tire's sake park them in the shade. Wash the tires along with the bike, using DAWN dishwashing liquid which is very good at removing oil. If you're extreme, you might consider making some tire covers out of old jeans and elastic, to cover the rubber when not in use. I've never read anything about this, but it seems to me that making a coating of some water-soluble compound (like cellulose) which would keep air out of direct contact with the rubber would be a good idea. Something you could spray on the tire, or paint on, and rinse off before you go riding. I'll check with a friend of mine who is a chemical engineer and see if he's got a suggestion. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 12:35:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19549; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06464; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isomedia.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28303; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from billprat (pm224.isomedia.com [207.149.222.87]) by isomedia.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25508; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:33:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199709171633.JAA25508@isomedia.com> From: "Bill Pratt" To: "Todd B Peer" , "dc-cycles" , "st1100" Subject: Re: Clutch Fluid replace Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:17:26 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please see the revised instructions below. If you follow your original list of instructions, you might introduce air into the system. My procedure works just fine and is simple to follow. I just did my fluid replacements a few weeks ago which resulted in a 100% improvement in brakes and clutch operation. Regards, Bill Pratt, Bellevue, WA "No matter where you go...there you are"! billp117@XXXXXX http://www.isomedia.com/homes/billp117 ---------- 1. Attach clear plastic bleed hose to bleed bolt nipple, put hose into clear jar 2. Open reservoir and remove plastic and rubber cover, wipe off with very clean cloth and set aside 3. Open Bleed Bolt 1/4 turn 3. Pump on clutch lever...add new DOT-4 fluid to keep reservoir full...NEVER let it empty 4. Continue adding fluid and pumping until only very clean fluid flows (this also cleans the bowl) 5. Upon the last pump, hold the handle tight, do not release, a piece of Velcro works if by yourself 6. Re-tighten bleed bolt...do not release the handle 7. Fill reservoir to top line, wipe off edges with a very clean cloth, replace rubber, plastic and top cover 8. You are finished If you follow the above procedure, you really don't need a vacuum pump. Note: Keeping the bleed hose in a jar allows you to see the bubbles go down the line and no air returns. Don't let the hose come out of the fluid in the jar. Do not let fluid drop on the bike; if you do, wipe off immediately. Recycle the fluid with your autoparts store. Do not pour down the drain. The above procedure works the same for the brakes, only the rear brake reservoir is located behind a side panel. You should do this every year in my humble opinion. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 15:24:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22643; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09776; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03948; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12919; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:23:42 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC37D.D2C0A4A0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:24:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCC37D.D2C0A4A0@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "'Bill Pratt'" , Todd B Peer , dc-cycles , st1100 Subject: RE: Clutch Fluid replace Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:24:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please see the revised revise instructions below, 1. Attach clear hose to a strung clothespin. 2. Attach clothespin to a heavy jar -- hose in side of jar. 3. Fill jar with appropriate fluid until jar end of hose is submerged. 4. Proceed to step 2 below. The obvious will be stated: By securing the hose via the clothespin, = and using a heavy jar/glass/bowl, the job of bleeding brakes/clutch does = become a single person event. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pratt [SMTP:billp117@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 12:17 PM To: Todd B Peer; dc-cycles; st1100 Subject: Re: Clutch Fluid replace Please see the revised instructions below. If you follow your original list of instructions, you might introduce air into the system. My procedure works just fine and is simple to follow. I just did my fluid replacements a few weeks ago which resulted in a 100% improvement in = brakes and clutch operation. Regards, Bill Pratt, Bellevue, WA "No matter where you go...there you are"! billp117@XXXXXX http://www.isomedia.com/homes/billp117 ---------- 1. Attach clear plastic bleed hose to bleed bolt nipple, put hose into clear jar 2. Open reservoir and remove plastic and rubber cover, wipe off with = very clean cloth and set aside =20 3. Open Bleed Bolt 1/4 turn 3. Pump on clutch lever...add new DOT-4 fluid to keep reservoir full...NEVER let it empty 4. Continue adding fluid and pumping until only very clean fluid flows (this also cleans the bowl) 5. Upon the last pump, hold the handle tight, do not release, a piece = of Velcro works if by yourself 6. Re-tighten bleed bolt...do not release the handle 7. Fill reservoir to top line, wipe off edges with a very clean cloth, replace rubber, plastic and top cover 8. You are finished If you follow the above procedure, you really don't need a vacuum pump. Note:=20 Keeping the bleed hose in a jar allows you to see the bubbles go down = the line and no air returns. Don't let the hose come out of the fluid in = the jar. Do not let fluid drop on the bike; if you do, wipe off = immediately. Recycle the fluid with your autoparts store. Do not pour down the = drain. The above procedure works the same for the brakes, only the rear brake reservoir is located behind a side panel. You should do this every year in my humble opinion. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 18:12:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26369; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13933; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10986; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04107; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3420805F.1B5B@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:14:07 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd B Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Clutch Fluid replace References: <19970917141119.AAA11583@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd B Peer wrote: > > xpost because of the common nature of the procedure: > > I was looking in the Honda Common Service Manual last night to find > out how to replace the hydraulic clutch fluid. Here is the procedure > paraphrased: --> snip <-- Hey Todd, What I've done is to let the bleed hose go into a little jar with a some fluid in it. That way no air can back up into the system. I also am using Speed Bleeder bleed bolt/nipple devices. These are pretty neat and not to expensive. For more info, the URL is: But air is liable to get trapped somehow so after the system is hooked up it might be a good idea to tap on the MC and the line (from the caliper up) and very carefully loosen the banjo bolt at the MC while depressing the brake lever. If you had air in the system, this was recommended as a way to get it out. Hopefully you won't have to do this though. Good luck, John Kozyn http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 18:20:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26462; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13990; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11140; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04291; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34208240.64ED@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:22:08 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Pratt CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Clutch Fluid replace References: <199709171633.JAA25508@isomedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Pratt wrote: --> snip <-- > Do not let fluid drop on the bike; if you do, wipe off immediately. Bill, you really should use soap and water. Brake fluid will quickly mar painted surfaces (don't ask me how I know) John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 19:09:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27240; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15412; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13031; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.100 (pix000224.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.236]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA15623 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: <342062FD.C45F419A@digex.net> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:08:53 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Clutch Fluid replace X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199709171633.JAA25508@isomedia.com> <34208240.64ED@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John C. Kozyn wrote: >> Do not let fluid drop on the bike; if you do, wipe off immediately. > Bill, you really should use soap and water. Brake fluid will quickly > mar painted surfaces (don't ask me how I know) Brake fluid is the nastiest stuff on earth...even worse than battery acid. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 17 21:08:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00590; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15877; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16805; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frosty.13x.com (1Cust81.max7.bridgewater.mi.ms.uu.net [153.36.114.81]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15275 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342081D5.78E5@13x.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:21:07 -0400 From: Stephen Reply-To: frosty@XXXXXX Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What people say about Wider Clutches (Humor) References: <3.0.1.32.19970917075216.009b0660@204.194.180.21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Humour only. No offense intended. When the things people say are taken that little bit further... Chris Norloff opines that "If you can see into the cracks (seeing the inside of the tire) or the cracks are connecting with each other, then definitely replace the tires." Yeah, and when the piston shoots out the top of the engine, it's definitely time to replace the engine oil. In fact, when I have to pull a Fred Flintstone to get my bike to stop, it's definitely time to replace the brake pads. And then there's wonderful, wiley, world-wide Warren. W. Weiss, who wistfully worded: "Brake fluid is the nastiest stuff on earth...even worse than battery acid." I can just hear the sermons now... Lord bless this congregation, and deliver us from evil. Help us avoid the sins that beckon us, and Lord, oh Lord, help us avoid the battery acid. And when thou hast saved our souls from the corruption of the Battery Acid, please Lord, let us not be led toward the Brake Fluid, halleluja. Praise the Lord. Yeay, save us from the Brake Fluid. We do thy bidding on earth, and Thou shall protect us from the battery acid AND the Brake Fluid. Praise the Lord. Amen (Amen) Stephen Dobson '89 Hawk GT (No ZX-11 in my garage as observantly pointed out) And still willing to sign my name to this. Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 04:02 PM 9/16/97 -0400, Aki.Damme wrote: > > <> any idea > >what caused these cracks and should I be concerned? > > Ozone cracks. The safe answer is to go ahead and replace the tires. > However, if the cracks are short and small, and do not connect with each > other, it's probably okay to keep riding on them. If you can see into the > cracks (seeing the inside of the tire) or the cracks are connecting with > each other, then definitely replace the tires. > Chris Norloff AND... >I've read to keep tires away from electric motors (like freezers in your >basement, etc) 'cause motors put out ozone, and that attacks rubber. You >might try bagging the bike over the winter, to keep it in a sealed >environment. Someone mentioned keeping the tires clean, so no oil/grease >stays on them. Call the tire manufacturer and see what they say. > Chris Norloff >and Warren W. Weiss wrote: >Brake fluid is the nastiest stuff on earth...even worse than battery acid. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 18 09:08:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08158; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22449; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inet.excalib.com.excalib.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28934; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from excalib.com ([191.9.200.1]) by inet.excalib.com.excalib.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28310; Thu, 18 Sep 97 06:12:06 PDT Received: from by excalib.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB02343; Thu, 18 Sep 97 05:42:13 PDT Received: by CARLSBADPO with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:05:55 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jon Evers To: "'bmw-r1100@XXXXXX'" , "'moto-marketplace@XXXXXX'" , "'bmwmc@XXXXXX'" , "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'nj-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:06:55 -0700 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain For Sale: 1985 BMW K100RS - $3500 bo Looks Great and Runs Great Corbin seat with backrest Krauser Hard Saddle bags and luggage rack Call Jon at 410-531-3239 or evers@XXXXXX Ellicott City, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 18 09:44:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08680; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22703; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newfrontiers.nfis.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00007; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ltweed (pub61.hunt2.nfis.com [206.151.91.161]) by newfrontiers.nfis.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25675; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:37:23 -0700 Message-ID: <34213019.3B4A@nfis.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:43:53 -0400 From: Louis Tweed Reply-To: ltweed@XXXXXX Organization: Mace Energy Supply, Tad Tweed Trucking X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: toys for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am selling two of my toys. :( Due to lack of garage space I am forced to get rid of one of my four wheelers, and my dirt bike. If anyone is interested please email directly at ltweed@XXXXXX 1991 Yamaha YFS200 Blaster 4 wheeler Great shape, Starts on the first kick every time. Excellent beginers bike, and even really fun for those who have ridden for years. Asking $1800 OBO 1981 Honda XR250R Dirt Bike Good shape. Starts before the 4th kick, even after sitting for a couple of months. Asking $700 OBO From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 18 12:24:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11592; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25710; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05938; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01INSDHNT2LS8WYN2W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:24:02 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:20:19 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:20:19 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:20:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Moto Saddlebags for sale To: DC Cycles , Bob.Rapp@XXXXXX, jstanford@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1569IAJ2NA12 X400-MTS-identifier: [;91022181907991/1970425@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 I've got some basic large Eclipse saddlebags that are just sitting around. They are one compartment, have rain covers, and are in good condition. They were something like $150 new. I'll take $75/obo. They are simply too huge on a Hawk GT and I've put a Ventura rack on... Kirk College Park, MD 301-594-5672 work 301-345-4880 home From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 18 14:19:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14588; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26757; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11047; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27349; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17351; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA21355; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:18:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:18:38 -0400 (EDT) To: ducati list cc: DC Cycles Subject: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I used to see these a lot in catalogs, but after looking at a local dealerships pile, I came away dissappointed. I'm looking for one of those low-tech stands with the cones on spindles for letting the wheel spin free. If someone knows the company, part number, mail order source for one of these, I would really appreciate it. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 18 16:17:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17147; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27870; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15742; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08888 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:16:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA21779 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA25765 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:16:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: DC-Cycles Get Mellow X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970918201613.AAA25765@localHost> DC-Cycles Summit 1997 or Let's get mellow Earlier in the heat of the summer of 97, some members of the DC-Cycles tended away from the subject matter of motorcycling. It got to the point where we were seeing the word 'unsubscribe' quite a lot. I then posted something with the following post-script: > Ok, for those of you who have put up with all this flambay, > and even those who just deleted without reading, and especially > those who didn't puss out and 'unsubcribe', how about some sort > of gathering of DC-Cycles. 'The DC-Cycles Summit'. It's been > my experience on other lists that the people you most expect to > be severe assholes turn out to be pretty cool. I'm thinking > October nth to party, friends family and association. If I get > a good response I'll look into location. If not, I'm moving to > Baltimore. Well there was a good response, and something was in the works for 9/13 that subsequently got cancelled. Here now is a second attempt at the DC-Cycles Summit 1997 - let's get mellow: Date(s): October 18, 1997 Why October 18th? Because, PARR is hosting its Fall Foliage poker run on the 19th. Also, I think that Kevin Thomas will be celebrating his 30th birthday. In either case, I'd like to get a ride out of the house to either The Silver Diner or Bob Evans for breakfast and then the poker run, so if you stay be prepared to get up early for the ride. This date is preferred by your host. Or, October 25, 1997 This is still one weekend away from Halloween and should not interfere with any night out plans because of that. This is a second preference date being made available if enough people can't make the 18th. Time: 4pm - 8pm to meet and mingle 8pm - 1pm for more Where: My Place (depending on RSVP). We will find some place else in the event RSVP becomes too large. Protocol: DC-Cycles Listers and their SO's. Since the main purpose of the gathering is a get to know you, children may become a distraction. Sorry. No children this time. Special: There will be a cordoned area for flaming at each other for spectators to view. But there won't be any of that we hope. :-) Provisions: Soda will be provided. For the hungry, we'll pass a hat for Pizza or, can you volunteer to bring a favorite dish? What to do: Brian McCoy is keeping a list of those that will attend, and will forward my address to you directly. Please RSVP to Brian McCoy via email - (bmccoy@XXXXXX). Brian has set up an automated response to your rsvp, so make sure the subject of your mail is DC-Summit. let him know the following in your message: - date preference. None defaults to Oct. 18 1997 - will you bring a date (SO)? - type of soda you prefer, specify diet if you want it. - if you plan to stay the evening or just to mingle. - if you drink beer and can make a donation ($5). If enough people want beer we will get a keg (size depends on response) of something tasty. Otherwise, it will be byob. - if you can bring a dish and what it is..... (cc: Linda Tanner [linda.tanner@XXXXXX]) Please make sure you RSVP to Brian and NOT the list. If you want to cc the list, great. It'll give everyone an idea of who's coming. I am encouraging everyone on the list to make it out and to "ride" so we can all check out your bike(s) and place faces with names. Not only that, it'll really frighten my neighbors :-) _However_, like it or not I won't tolerate drinking and riding. Period! If you have a few, plan to wait it out before you take off. Better still, plan to stay the evening. Bring your own bath-kit and towel if you will be staying. I have room enough to put people up, a couple full baths, and room in my garage for 4 more bikes as well as a driveway. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ Special note: Any message with the string 'DC-Summit' in the subject header will result in an automated message of directions to my house from Brian. Avoid using 'DC-Summit' in your subject except for rsvp, or you will get the same message From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 18 18:54:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19617; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00604; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20554; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27398; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrcengr (spg-as11s37.erols.com [205.177.147.164]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29149; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709182252.SAA29149@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: , "ducati list" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: DUCATI: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:30:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I used to see these a lot in catalogs, but after looking at a local > dealerships pile, I came away dissappointed. I'm looking for one of those > low-tech stands with the cones on spindles for letting the wheel spin > free. If someone knows the company, part number, mail order source for > one of these, I would really appreciate it. ___________________________________________________________________ Been using tire balance fluid/sealer for over 15 years, racing and all. Works perfect. Why buy a stand?? Fluid is only $4 per. and if you get good tires you can use one bottle for both tires. Not to mention (if your tight on a budget) you can scoop it out and reuse it or leave it in a good tube and reuse the tube. The stuff has saved my butt many times. Ive come home and found nails in the tires and no air loss. It works. Thanks MIke Cecchini From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 18 19:17:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19741; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00768; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21005; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emin18.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02334; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: GUnger9355@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emin18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA11580; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970918185641_-963530522@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: jimi@XXXXXX, ducati@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DUCATI: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted Jimi I have a balancing stand fro Spec II 818 504 6364 (the Telefix folks) Works well and is well made; comes with a selection of axels too. About $130 as I recall Mike LoGalbo 900 sp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 18 20:13:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20358; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01248; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22330; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00255; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA29583; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:19:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:19:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Michael R. Cecchini" cc: jimi@XXXXXX, ducati list , DC Cycles Subject: Re: DUCATI: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted In-Reply-To: <199709182252.SAA29149@smtp2.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone know how/why liquid in a tire would act to balance it? --garcia > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Been using tire balance fluid/sealer for over 15 years, racing and all. > Works perfect. Why buy a stand?? Fluid is only $4 per. and if you get > good tires you can use one bottle for both tires. Not to mention (if your > tight on a budget) you can scoop it out and reuse it or leave it in a good > tube and reuse the tube. > > The stuff has saved my butt many times. Ive come home and found nails in > the tires and no air loss. > > It works. Thanks MIke Cecchini > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 18 21:48:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20944; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA02791; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23776; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sturges.erols.com (spg-as48s06.erols.com [207.172.47.133]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19671 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:47:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970918214851.0069398c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:49:01 -0400 To: DC-Cycles List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Summit Point Raceway: Oct 4-5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark your calendars now!! The last race of the year for Summit is Oct 4-5. Team Charm Racing will provide free beer to anyone using the secret password. Details will follow this weekend. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 01:13:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22800; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04497; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26618; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from furthur.wolfenet.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10291; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mbain@localhost) by furthur.wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00771; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:14:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:14:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199709190514.WAA00771@furthur.wolfenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Bain To: jimi@XXXXXX Cc: ducati list , DC Cycles Subject: re: DUCATI: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 19.34.1 Reply-To: Michael Bain >>>>> "jimi" == jimi writes: jimi> I used to see these a lot in catalogs, but after looking at a jimi> local dealerships pile, I came away dissappointed. I'm looking jimi> for one of those low-tech stands with the cones on spindles for jimi> letting the wheel spin free. If someone knows the company, part jimi> number, mail order source for one of these, I would really jimi> appreciate it. I made my own. Used a couple of old wheel bearings lubed with WD40 and set them on a couple of jackstands. Put a bar (axle?) through the wheel and each end of the bar is suspended in the bearings. Seemed to work fine through 140MPH. Here's a drawing: (=) | | | --=-------------=-- | | | | | | | | | | (=) | | | | | / \ / \ / \ / \ -- Michael Bain "When in Doubt, Gas It!!!" mbain@XXXXXX spamgard(tm): please put "ducati" in the subject line when replying. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Niklaus Wirth has lamented that, whereas Europeans pronounce his name correctly (Ni-klows Virt), Americans invariably mangle it into (Nick-les Worth). Which is to say that Europeans call him by name, but Americans call him by value. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 01:27:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22902; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04583; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26797; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA10920; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342237E7.21@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:29:27 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich and Leslie Sturges CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Summit Point Raceway: Oct 4-5 References: <3.0.32.19970918214851.0069398c@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich and Leslie Sturges wrote: > > Mark your calendars now!! The last race of the year for Summit is Oct 4-5. > Team Charm Racing will provide free beer to anyone using the secret > password. Details will follow this weekend. > > rich Whoa!, does this count for track officials after the day is done too? :) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 08:03:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25224; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06906; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from comptroller.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00634; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Payroll.umd.edu ([128.8.186.10]) by comptroller.umd.edu (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA315; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:56:03 -0400 Message-ID: <34226CF1.D10260CB@comptroller.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:15:45 -0400 From: dhowell@XXXXXX (Delonte M. Howell) Reply-To: dhowell@XXXXXX Organization: University of Maryland, Office of the Comptroller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich and Leslie Sturges CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Summit Point Raceway: Oct 4-5 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.32.19970918214851.0069398c@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How much do the tickets cost and will anyone be meeting to ride up there? Delonte' Rich and Leslie Sturges wrote: > Mark your calendars now!! The last race of the year for Summit is Oct > 4-5. > Team Charm Racing will provide free beer to anyone using the secret > password. Details will follow this weekend. > > rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 08:06:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25254; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06946; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00677; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA16240 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 05:06:36 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 05:06:36 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'bmccoy@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" , "'linda.tanner@XXXXXX'" Subject: DC-Summit Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 05:03:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT Todd, Brian, et.al. I'm really gonna try and make this one (crises permitting) >date preference. None defaults to Oct. 18 1997 the 18th >will you bring a date (SO)? no >type of soda you prefer Jolt, Pepsi, Coke (in order) >specify diet if you want it. Surely you jest >if you plan to stay the evening or just to mingle. mingle >if you can bring a dish and what it is..... Linda - I'm flexible - let me know what's needed Michael Jordan '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX 1100GP AMA IBA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 10:17:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26300; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09665; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03107; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA10457 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:16:48 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma010443; Fri, 19 Sep 97 10:16:24 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA14080; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA874678433; Fri, 19 Sep 97 10:13:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9709198746.AA874678433@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 10:12:32 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Summit Point Raceway: Oct 4-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $20 for the weekend - includes pit pass, camping for Friday and Saturday nights. $15 for just Sunday. Gates open at 6pm on Friday evening... if you volunteer as a corner worker, you can get your money back... Corner workers meet at 7am back by the snack shop (ask anyone at the track, they'll point you right to it). Hope to see everyone there.. I'll sure be there (not on a corner though, in leathers.. hopefully) Brian McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Summit Point Raceway: Oct 4-5 Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 9/19/97 8:15 AM How much do the tickets cost and will anyone be meeting to ride up there? Delonte' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 11:00:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27048; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11478; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04492; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14541; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 206.170.26.193 (ppp-206-170-26-193.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.26.193]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id HAA06687; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34229563.2320@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:08:19 -0700 From: Kim Le Baron X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBME (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jimi@XXXXXX CC: ducati list , DC Cycles Subject: Re: DUCATI: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jimi@XXXXXX wrote: > > I used to see these a lot in catalogs, but after looking at a local > dealerships pile, I came away dissappointed. I'm looking for one of those > low-tech stands with the cones on spindles for letting the wheel spin > free. If someone knows the company, part number, mail order source for > one of these, I would really appreciate it. > > -jimi Jimi, I think Gio.Ca.Moto has thr tire balancer you are looking for. The one they have is painted red works really well. Kim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 11:45:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27856; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12719; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06239; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.66.66]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA19565; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:43:58 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: Subject: DC-Summit Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:41:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970919154356.AAA19565@default> Brian- I'll be there. (duh) Wouldn't miss my own birthday party. The 18th is good, I'll be there all night, Pepsi, root beer, ginger ale, I'll pitch in but I won't subject the revelers to my abyssimal taste in beer, I may bring some, I'll think of some food to bring as I'm a vegetarian, and I'll not be bringing a SO unless I come up with one in the next month. Later Kevin PS --I'll make a cake, too PPS-- We might have to work out food dropoff arrangement for everybody, since it'll be tough to carry beer, food, and in my case, a cake, on a motorcycle, except for Goldwingers. I don't think we have any of those. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 12:30:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28381; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13103; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07528; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA13182; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:36:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:36:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle cc: eamills@XXXXXX Subject: Honda Nighthawk motor wanted In-Reply-To: <34229563.2320@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII An acquaintence has blown his 1986 Nighthawk 700 engine. He'll be back in the country in a week or so, and I'll pass replies on to him, unless you'ld rather I didn't. (1) Anyone know of one for sale? (2) Anyone know which other Nighthawk motors will fit his frame? Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 12:50:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28706; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13279; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08093; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:47:15 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:50:04 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycle) Subject: Re: Honda Nighthawk motor wanted Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Try Baltimore Cycle Salvage...(410) 962-1335. He probably has what your friend needs. His prices are not outrageous and the quality is very good to excellent, as customers do not pull their own parts. I bought a used GoldWing motor (less carbs and electrics) that had 24,000 miles on it for $500.00 He is located at 1629 Warner St. in the shadow of Camden Yards one block east of Russell St. Take the second right on Russell after you get off I-95, you can't miss it. For anyone else looking for top-quality used parts...you can't go wrong here. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 13:05:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28993; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13440; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08562; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom.netcom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22942; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lewis@localhost) by netcom.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id KAA03067; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199709182252.SAA29149@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:54:35 -0700 To: Garcia Oliver , "Michael R. Cecchini" From: "David M. Lewis" Subject: Re: DUCATI: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted Cc: jimi@XXXXXX, ducati list , DC Cycles At 8:19 PM -0400 9/18/97, Garcia Oliver wrote: >Anyone know how/why liquid in a tire would act to balance it? > >--garcia > The theory is that you put a fairly viscous fluid into the tire. Any imbalance will cause a shaking synchronous with the tire's rotation, and the fluid will over time get moved to the point opposite the existing heavy spot which is getting thrown to the outside. That said, I must add that every single tire manufacturer warns against the stuff, and there have been some reports of corroded rims. David -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- My feeling about technique in art is that it has about the same value as technique in lovemaking. Heartfelt ineptitude has its appeal, and so does heartless skill; but what you want is _passionate virtuosity_. --John Barth -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 13:28:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29386; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13677; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09424; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.67.110]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA4637 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:28:10 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: GSX1100G advice? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:26:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970919172809.AAA4637@default> Hey, y'all- My bro in law has a 93 GSX 1100G and is looking for advice on modifications and accessories, like case guards, luggage, seats, windscreens, and maybe rear shocks. He has Progressive springs in front, an upright plexi screen, a Ventura pack and all else is stock. He'd like a sportier screen, either hard or soft bags, and I think his front suspension is still a bit soft. Corbin doesn't make a seat, if I recall. Any used parts available from GSX owners? I've given him the address for this list and some Suzuki lists. I sent him the address for the person who posted soft bags for sale a couple of days ago here. Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 14:14:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29839; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14091; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10711; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17130; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA22610; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970919141204_-95930129@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: lewis@XXXXXX, garicao@XXXXXX, mrcengr@XXXXXX cc: jimi@XXXXXX, ducati@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DUCATI: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted what do tire manufacturers have against balancing fluid? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 14:22:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29913; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14194; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10967; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06818; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrcengr (spg-as11s36.erols.com [205.177.147.163]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08709; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:21:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199709191821.OAA08709@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Garcia Oliver" Cc: , "ducati list" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Tire bal fluid Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:11:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know how/why liquid in a tire would act to balance it? _______________________________________________________ OH BOY heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee go. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 14:28:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00005; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14336; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11188; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA16040 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:28:32 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:28:32 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "klthomas@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: GSX1100G advice? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:25:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 27 TEXT, 48 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >case guards Don't appear to be available from Suzuki anymore nor have I been able to find aftermarket ones. If anyone does know of a source, I'd appreciate it too. >luggage I put a set of Givis on mine two years ago after a bad experience with soft luggage. 'Twas a wad of cash, but I don't regret a penny of it. >seats Corbin! - yes, they do have a seat for the GSX 1100G >windscreens Every one I've tried is noisy - I'll make him a deal on a small plexifairing (lexan) and the stock bugstopper though >and maybe rear shocks The only source I've been able to find (other than stock) is WP - significantly better and somewhat cheaper. 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Gravity, weight, momentum & centrifugal rotation may be a factor. But I think it's mostly the alignment of the stars.....but don't take my word for it. I could be guessing. Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 14:47:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00255; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14575; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11718; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17875 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:47:29 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:47:29 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message: Unknown user: mehran firouzbakht Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:44:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT >-----Original Message----- >From: Administrator [SMTP:administrator@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, September 19, 1997 15:38 PM >To: Jordan, Michael >Subject: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message: Unknown user: mehran >firouzbakht > >Does anyone know who this is? > >Michael Jordan >'86 SRX-6 >'93 GSX 1100GP >AMA >IBA >etc. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 14:47:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00262; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14582; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11735; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21489; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:47:45 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA03327 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:47:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003303; Fri Sep 19 13:47:02 1997 Message-ID: <3422C907.5EA3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:48:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Tire Fluid References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guesses would be these: If your unbalanced condition is caused by the tire being out-of-round, as occasionally occurs, the fluid would actually exacerbate the situation. The fluid would flow, due to centrifugal force, into the "deeper" part of the tire, thus making it shake more. If your unbalanced condition is due to a tire that is perfectly round, but heavier at one point, that "heavier" area would be due to thicker rubber/casing compound. Here, the fluid would be thinner there, and thicker in all other areas of the tire, thus "balancing" or cancelling out the vibration. If the tire is perfectly round, and perfectly balanced, and the rim itself is merely heavier in one spot than another, the fluid would simply "mask" the imbalance by putting more weight in the circumference of the wheel, thus obviating or at least minimizing the out-of-balance condition. Thus: If your wheel/tire is out of balance by 1 ounce, and the entire assembly outside the spokes weighs 5 lbs, the out-of-balance spot is 1/80 of the whole. If you add another pound to the outter assembly via liquid, the out-of-balance spot is now merely 1/96 of the whole. So it may not balance, but it will help mask, an out-of-balance condition created by rim weight. Finally, why do tire companies recommend against it? Most likely because tire companies do not have access to the exact recipe, so they don't know what chemicals you might be putting inside their tires. Maybe it's something that might help break down the rubber compound. Maybe not. But they don't want to take a chance. In their pre-production testing, they know what the mean failure rate of their tire with AIR inside it is. They are prepared to accept this risk. They don't know what the mean failure of the tire is with some SLIME liquid inside it. This way, if their tire disintegrates on the freeway and you crash, when you sue them they can say "you voided your warranty by putting into the tire something we had warned you not to use. We are not responsible for the disintegration." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 14:49:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00272; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14600; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11764; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06628; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrcengr (spg-as11s36.erols.com [205.177.147.163]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12982; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:46:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199709191846.OAA12982@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "Garcia Oliver" , "David M. Lewis" Cc: , "ducati list" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: DUCATI: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:41:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That said, I must add that every single tire manufacturer warns against the stuff, and there have been > some reports of corroded rims. David ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Tis strange.....almost every tire/rim I have taken apart has had varyng degrees of corrosion. From 10% to 50% of the rim corroded and "festering". Rims wth the balance fluid show no corrosion at all. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 14:49:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00273; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14598; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11760; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA30768; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrcengr (spg-as11s36.erols.com [205.177.147.163]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12976; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:46:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199709191846.OAA12976@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: , , Cc: , , Subject: Re: DUCATI: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:29:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a damn good question. I asked so many and gotten such a runaround that I'm tired of asking. I have run it in Dunlops, Pirellis, Metzlers, Avons and probably more tire than I can remember. NADA..... no problems at all. I'm not a dealer, I don't sell the stuff, I don't have any stock in it.....nothing. I use it because it works, its cheap, its easy and I havent had any problems with it for 23 years. What can I say?? Where can you get two tires balance AND puncture sealed for $4.00. Thats my point. MC ps by the way it balances the tire every time you spin the tire, therefore it compensates for the wear and shifting of the tire and/or tubes. ______________________________________________________________ what do tire manufacturers have against balancing fluid? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 14:57:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00399; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14911; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12013; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:57:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: GSX1100G advice? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:57:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > >luggage > I put a set of Givis on mine two years ago after a bad experience with > soft luggage. 'Twas a wad of cash, but I don't regret a penny of it. > I second that. If you get the side & top wingracks you can use 1, 2 or three bags at a time. > >windscreens > Givi also makes windscreens. I got one and it is much better than stock. Don't know if they make one for the GSX. Try their home page http://www.givi.it/ Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 15:13:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00561; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15174; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12437; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09677; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id PAB228.41; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:13:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970919144951.00917830@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:51 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I used to see these a lot in catalogs, but after looking at a local >dealerships pile, I came away dissappointed. I'm looking for one of those >low-tech stands with the cones on spindles for letting the wheel spin >free. If someone knows the company, part number, mail order source for >one of these, I would really appreciate it. Spec II (as in "Spec 2") in California makes wheel balancing rigs like that, for about $130. I see their ads in the back of magazines like _Motorcyclist_ and _Sport Rider_. I'm surprised your shop couldn't figure that out -- try another shop? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 16:31:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01643; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15985; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14815; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA11265 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:31:05 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma011234; Fri, 19 Sep 97 16:30:57 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA20765; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA874700304; Fri, 19 Sep 97 16:28:28 -0500 Message-Id: <9709198747.AA874700304@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 16:17:17 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: dead VF.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, situation.... cooked battery about 2 weeks ago, refilled with fluid - working fine. This morning, jump on to go to court (another story), make it about 2 miles, turn around because the tach is jumping erratically and it doesn't like to rev past about 7k (where my 500 starts with the power). Make it 1.5 miles back, hit the turn signal, there's no power to the dash lights or the turn signals... I have the choke full on now to keep the bike running. Bike dies - I push it to the top of a hill on the way home (coast down) - and try bumping it the whole way down the hill - it gurgles and doesn't start... no dash lights still (neutral, oil, or high beam). I was late for court, so I jumped in the cage.. court then right to work - have not checked ANYTHING - fuses and battery will be first. Anything else I can/should look at? No, I don't have a voltmeter - so don't even suggest that yet (I'll get one tomorrow). Thanks... Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500fg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 19 20:02:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03908; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18132; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emin37.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19501; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:02:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emin37.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA19434; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970919195932_-1230462165@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, xl-list@XXXXXX Subject: Shopping for a pair of gloves Now that Fall is in the air here in N. VA (i wore my chaps today for the first time) I need a pair of in between gloves. I have Summer weight, and real Winter weight, but need a glove for the 40 to 50 degree mornings. I want something with a little gauntlet, good wind protection, moderate insulation, and maybe a little palm padding. Checked out some at the HD dealer, and like the "Windshielder" gloves they have, but they go for $75.00. What have you tried and liked or dis-liked. I don't want to mail order something without a clue..... If all else fails, I can wait until next weekend, I assume there sill be some vendors in York? Thanks for your help. Dave in Manassas From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 20 02:48:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA06687; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19765; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23818; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08614; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:01:16 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA01925; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA05995; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:01:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:01:11 -0400 (EDT) To: Chris Norloff cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970919144951.00917830@204.194.180.21> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Chris Norloff wrote: > Spec II (as in "Spec 2") in California makes wheel balancing rigs like > that, for about $130. I see their ads in the back of magazines like > _Motorcyclist_ and _Sport Rider_. I'm surprised your shop couldn't figure > that out -- try another shop? Cycle Sport in Herndon. They had no clue at all. Scarey. They started showing me a catalog with all the giant hydraulic units in it. I thanked them for their time and left. Just when you think you find a no BS dealership, they always prove you wrong. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 20 02:50:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA06704; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19706; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23774; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA23920; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:59:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:59:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Brian McCoy cc: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dead VF.. In-Reply-To: <9709198747.AA874700304@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From your description, it sounds like your chargeing system isn't. Go ahead and check the battery (it needs to be done anyway), but I wouldn't go far from home. (Actually, a bike can run for days off the battery, IF you don't use electric start or headlight. Thus, in a situation as you describe, consider pulling the headlight fuse (if you haven't got (or installed) a headlight switch); it may be enough to get you home---or to court, as the case may be.) (Parenthetically Yours,) --garcia On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > > Ok, > > situation.... cooked battery about 2 weeks ago, refilled with fluid > - working fine. This morning, jump on to go to court (another story), > make it about 2 miles, turn around because the tach is jumping > erratically and it doesn't like to rev past about 7k (where my 500 > starts with the power). Make it 1.5 miles back, hit the turn signal, > there's no power to the dash lights or the turn signals... I have the > choke full on now to keep the bike running. Bike dies - I push it to > the top of a hill on the way home (coast down) - and try bumping it > the whole way down the hill - it gurgles and doesn't start... no dash > lights still (neutral, oil, or high beam). I was late for court, so I > jumped in the cage.. court then right to work - have not checked > ANYTHING - fuses and battery will be first. Anything else I > can/should look at? No, I don't have a voltmeter - so don't even > suggest that yet (I'll get one tomorrow). > > > Thanks... > > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500fg > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 20 02:50:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA06706; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18739; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21884; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA08337; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:14:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:14:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Honda SL-350 for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not my bike. 1971 (I think) SL-350 Enduro (i.e. you have to put up with a lot). Motor seems ok, at least up and down the alley once, but EVERYTHING else on the bike is more-or-less screwed up. For example, street front tire, full knobby rear. Thus, NOT FOR BEGINNERS. Cheap, if you need one for parts, or have the parts (and know-how) to fix it up right. Probably about $200, with new battery and new ignition switch. Call Katie, at 202-332-7981. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 22 07:53:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28906; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04901; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24950; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC723.C8184DB0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:50:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Brian McCoy'" Subject: RE: dead VF.. Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:50:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT Brian, from what it sounds like to me you let your battery run dry a few weeks ago? If this is the case I would say your battery has expired. Running a battery dry is not cool. The problems you speak of with the bike not running are typical Honda's with a dead battery. I've had batteries die about 100 miles from home and had the same problems. You can image the fun I've had trying to get the bike home. I know several other people with Honda's and theirs die the exact same way. No electrical system problems, just a Honda that's all. Go buy a new battery and your problems will be over. good luck Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > situation.... cooked battery about 2 weeks ago, refilled with fluid > - working fine. This morning, jump on to go to court (another story), > make it about 2 miles, turn around because the tach is jumping > erratically and it doesn't like to rev past about 7k (where my 500 > starts with the power). Make it 1.5 miles back, hit the turn signal, > there's no power to the dash lights or the turn signals... I have the > choke full on now to keep the bike running. Bike dies - I push it to > the top of a hill on the way home (coast down) - and try bumping it > the whole way down the hill - it gurgles and doesn't start... no dash > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 22 07:58:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29015; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04540; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21411; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.64.208]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA9060 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:12:22 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Vintage sportscars Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:10:18 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970922031221.AAA9060@default> Hey, y'all-- Just a reminder, the Blue and Gray Challenge is on at Summit Point this weekend, the 26th to 28th. I haven't been to this event, but vintage racing is always lots of fun to see. Who wants to go? Which day (or both)? The Point is just an hour from the 495 & 270 intersection, or there are plenty of pleasant roads to stretch that time out on. Good food can be had nearby, and the track food looks good too, for track food. And lets try to help Brian get his VF running so he doesn't have to ride pillion! ;-) Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 22 07:58:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29018; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04475; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21298; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.67.23]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA1716 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:20:17 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: harley calipers Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:18:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970922032015.AAA1716@default> Hey, y'all- My friend needs some front calipers for his 79 Super Glide. Rebuildable will be fine; his originals are too worn and pitted to fix. If you have any Harley calipers from another model, we'll find out if they will fit. He's on a very low budget, and would gladly trade some parts. Can you help? Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 22 07:58:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29022; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01753; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16175; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as53s41.erols.com [207.172.99.232]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21393; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:08:40 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970921180946.00765f20@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:09:46 -0400 To: Garcia Oliver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: RZ-350 parts wanted In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:56 PM 9/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi...an acquaintence needs some parts for an RZ-350. If you have, you >can call him (Chris) directly at 202-333-4389, or email me and I'll pass >it on. Thanks. > >--garcia > Check M/C Online in the race section (southeast USA I think) Someone was selling three RZ or RD's can't remember (although a lot of interchangeable parts) 1 was racebike, 1 was street, the third was rolling chasis also extra parts ..... price was $1500 I think. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 22 07:58:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29025; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29889; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09355; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA19462; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:56:22 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: RZ-350 parts wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...an acquaintence needs some parts for an RZ-350. If you have, you can call him (Chris) directly at 202-333-4389, or email me and I'll pass it on. Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 22 09:40:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00371; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00963; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lms03.us.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28019; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.195]) by lms03.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA11910; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:38:21 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU033 id 5040300005699796; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:40:13 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Subject: RE: maintainance class Message-ID: <5040300005699796000002L062*@MHS> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:40:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Montgomery County Dept of Recreation is conducting Motorcycle Maintenance classes in October and November. The writeup looks as follows: "Ages 16 & Up: Course is geared to both novice and serious maintenance-minded riders. Includes tune-ups and lubrication, adjustment and replacement of key suspension and safety equipment, etc. Motorcycle and tools provided. You will be able to work on your own motorcycle on Sat. Shop materials fee of $15.00 due to the insructor at the first session. Classes taught by David Paull of The Right Tract. Regitration deadline is one week prior to the start of each class. 13Hours: 6-10pm Fri, 8am-5pm Sat. $63 Code:OMTORCYC 001 Lincoln Ctr. Rkville. 10/24 F,Sa 6:00pm 002 Lincoln Ctr. Rkville. 11/21 F,Sa 6:00pm" Hmmmmmmmmmm, alot of people read these things, I better sign up before the classes fill up! Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 22 21:31:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12821; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17574; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scdh-99.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22767; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by scdh-99.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24251 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:30:29 -0400 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199709230130.VAA24251@scdh-99.umd.edu> Subject: Free tool for Yamaha valve adjustments To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just found a valve adjuster tool for my (long since sold) Yamaha Seca 550. It holds downthe valve so you can change the shim. Since I no longer own a Yamaha with valves, This is free to the first taker (It cost me $14.00 sometime around 1988). I think it will fit most of the XJ series of Yamaha motorcycles. You pick it up in College Park, MD. If you insist on giving me something for it- I really need a stock bar end weight for a Hawk GT. ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 22 22:35:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13411; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18516; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23887; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as5s45.erols.com [207.172.152.236]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22369; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709230235.WAA22369@smtp1.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: , Subject: Re: Free tool for Yamaha valve adjustments Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:21:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Bennett writes: > I just found a valve adjuster tool for my (long since sold) > Yamaha Seca 550. [...] I think it will fit most of the XJ > series of Yamaha motorcycles. That particular tool will work with XJ550/650/750/900/1100 and XS400/850/1100. Mr. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 23 00:19:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15704; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20564; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emin25.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27674; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:18:42 -0400 (EDT) From: DRChapman@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emin25.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA06695 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970922234929_978138197@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dragnet at Deal's Gap Hi folks- I just returned from the BMW RA rally at Fontana Village near Deal's Gap this past weekend. The local constabulary from Graham County was out in full force to say the least. On Saturday I rode from the village out Route 28 for the 10 miles to Deal's Gap. I counted 7 cops. Earlier Saturday and Friday also, they were at the NC line on the Gap pulling over cyclists checking for registrations and MC endorsements. They flew over the Camp at Fontana in a chopper playing 'Bad Boys' and the theme song from Cops or some such TV show. They arrested some guy for urinating in the bushes. A guy got caught passing on the double yellow and was quickly surrounded by five cruisers. Another guy passed 4 or 5 cars over a double line and had to bailed out of jail to the tune of $1000. At least you can run the Gap as fast as you like because the speed limit there is not posted. In NC that means 55 mph. And if you can do that, hats off to you. I made the mistake of going up on the Cherohala Skyway (speed limit 45 which is totally unrealistic for such a wide open road. On the way back I rounded a corner being reasonably prudent at about 50-55 while being paced by my riding partner about 50 yards behind. Well the smokey comes out of nowhere, pulls us over, says I was doing 64 mph on radar. I asked him to show it to me and he says he erased it and proceeds to accuse me of resisting arrest. What an asshole. Of course he doesn't ticket my buddy behind me (perhaps because he is flashing firefighter signs all over the place. I'm really tempted to fight it except it means a 10 hour trip back down there. And don't they know it. It is too bad this place has some of the best roads in the east. I think the message is clear. The law does not want to see any of our kind down there. They don't like us ruffian lawbreakers one bit. It is too bad the population of the county doesn't get a vote in the matter as the police have clearly taken matters into their own hands. Just a word of warning. I never did meet such a nasty bunch. And I think it might be time to repaint my bike some other color besides red. Rusty Chapman '94 R1100RS From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 23 15:47:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27160; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05362; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20960; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA17964 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA06111 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:45:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA27202 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:45:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Just A Joke................ X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970923194518.AAA27202@localHost> ......this is NOT flame bait.... Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ A man enters in a doctor's room and says "I've been told you have discovered a machine that can lower one's IQ. I am very interested in it, since I have no success with women. They all think I am too boring when I try to have a conversation with them. My actual IQ is around 250, and I'd like to have it down to 120." "Well," says the doctor, "if you really want that, there's no problem. Just sit in this chair and put this bowl on your head." The doctor then pushes a button. The IQ starts to drop 250, 230, 200, 150, 120. At this moment, the doctor tried to push the stop button, but it was stuck! Down goes the IQ 99, 90, 80, 70. He tries again and again, but it remains stuck. The IQ drops 40, 30, 20, 10, 7, 5, 2. He finally succeeds. The man removes the bowl, stands up, looks at the doctor, walks around the machine and finally asks the doctor, "May I please see your license, registration and insurance papers?" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 23 16:31:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27831; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05821; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22233; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25697 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34285182.2F9@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:32:18 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: VFR on Memorial Bridge ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC denizens, Was that a lister heading to DC on the MB this afternoon around 1600 hrs ? It was a white VFR (1991 VFR750 or maybe an '86 VFR700). I was on the red stealth VF700F with yellow halogen driving lights aimed at your eyes ;) John Kozyn http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 04:05:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA05207; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 04:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA17103; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 04:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA06352; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 04:02:19 -0400 (EDT) From: casper1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA03062 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:01:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sjx-ca85-23.ix.netcom.com(207.94.112.183) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003055; Wed Sep 24 03:01:13 1997 Message-ID: <34294C59.106E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:22:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While it is sometimes amusing reading about the motorcycle travels on the east coast it doesn't do me much good on the left coast. Unsubscribe Casper1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 10:25:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08191; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24441; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11801; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA28015 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:22:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA06462 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:22:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA17092 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:22:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unsubscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970924142215.AAA17092@localHost> >While it is sometimes amusing reading about the motorcycle travels on >the east coast it doesn't do me much good on the left coast. > >Unsubscribe > >Casper1 Well with that attitude you are bound to be amused for as long as you haven't figured out how to leave. Just do what you did to get on the list, backwards ;^) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 13:54:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11828; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05926; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19131; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA28976 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:52:57 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma028897; Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:52:38 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA07835 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA875122412; Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:50:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9709248751.AA875122412@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:32:14 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: no traffic? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no cycles traffic because everyone's bummed about the coming of fall, and chilly weather? Or because everyone's out on their bikes? Carry me in spirit please..... Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX 86 VF500fg <--dead, electrical demon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 14:22:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12239; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07260; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20043; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IO0V9HDRJ48WZTUF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:20:16 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:14:46 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:14:46 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: no traffic? To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1572IAP321ZQ X400-MTS-identifier: [;64414142907991/1985252@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >no cycles traffic because everyone's bummed about the coming of fall, >and chilly weather? Or because everyone's out on their bikes? > >Carry me in spirit please..... Actually, I prefer riding in cooler weather. I don't sweat when sitting in traffic. My clothes can be adjusted to suit the weather (unlike summer when it's too hot to be comfortable unless you're naked - even then it's too hot). I ride the motorcycle more since I'm not training for bicycle racing (most races being spring-fall). I realize that the guys who ride their bikes 3 months out of the year are already making preparations to "winterize" their bikes. I rode the moto in today as I have every other day this week. This weekend I'll be heading down to Princeton, WV for some riding in the mountains down there (anyone else wanna come?). Ah, now this is motorcycling weather! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 14:54:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12864; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07708; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21443; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA07216; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:52:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D04AD80@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: no traffic? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:51:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree...fall is the BEST time to ride! Pray to the non-rain gods tonight & tomorrow! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 2:15 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: no traffic? > > >no cycles traffic because everyone's bummed about the coming of fall, > > >and chilly weather? Or because everyone's out on their bikes? > > > >Carry me in spirit please..... > > Actually, I prefer riding in cooler weather. I don't sweat when > sitting in > traffic. My clothes can be adjusted to suit the weather (unlike summer > when > it's too hot to be comfortable unless you're naked - even then it's > too > hot). I ride the motorcycle more since I'm not training for bicycle > racing > (most races being spring-fall). > > I realize that the guys who ride their bikes 3 months out of the year > are > already making preparations to "winterize" their bikes. > > I rode the moto in today as I have every other day this week. > > This weekend I'll be heading down to Princeton, WV for some riding in > the > mountains down there (anyone else wanna come?). > > Ah, now this is motorcycling weather! > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 15:01:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13006; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07771; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21665; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC8FA.419E64D0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:58:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: no traffic? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:58:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT >>---------- >>From: Kirk Roy[SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] >> >> >>Actually, I prefer riding in cooler weather. I don't sweat when sitting in >>traffic. <> Ah, now this is motorcycling weather! I agree, the cooler weather does make for more pleasant moto'ing. My only gripe used to be how easily my Shoei full face (the winter helmet) would fog up under 70 degrees, but the Rain-X Anti-Fog stuff does seem to help dramatically. Not sure how often I'll need to reapply it. It's probably a function of miles ridden and bugs splatted... Enjoy! Horkster PS: Oh yeah! We got the '87 Suzuki Savage for my wife, Tracy. It's a neat looking little bike that's quite fun to ride. It looks like a single cylinder Harley. We'll be at the DC Cycles Summit Party to show it off! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 16:02:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13722; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09180; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23056; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC902.B128F420@XXXXXX>; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: , Subject: Loud pipes save lives? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:58:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT Folks, I recently had to reconfigure my bike to better accomodate the new large slant Willie&Max saddlebags I just got from Dennis Kirk mailorder. Off came the nasty old MAC 4 into 1 exhaust, noisy and rattley, complete (incomplete?) with missing baffle. Back on went the nice shiny, hardly used, and very quiet 4 into 2 stock exhaust. My 78 LTD sounds totally different now, much quieter and less irritating at speed. All was well, or so I thought. This morning some guy in a nice new pickup almost ran me off the road. I was on the Prince William Parkway (4 lanes, divided) trying to get through a cluster of traffic. Two cars in front, the left one slowly passing the right one. Me following in the left lane, not quite alongside this evil pickup. The pickup guy decides that he needs to move over and pass *right now*, no signals, nothing. I noticed his front wheels starting to turn, and began laying on the horn. He never even flinched. I braked slightly to slow down, and he completed his move into my lane, just in front of me. Well, excuuuuuuusssse me! Needless to say, I was a little upset. No harm no foul yada yada yada. I did a stupid move and blew past him once traffic cleared, and gave him an evil glare (a tough thing with a full face helmet on!) while laying on the horn. I think he had it figured out by the next stop light, as he gave me plenty of room when we stopped. Can't help but think that if I was rolling along next to this guys door at 65 mph with the noisy old exhaust, he would have been aware of me. Maybe I should punch out the baffles? You can't be too careful! I was lucky this time. Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 (the Thumper) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 16:12:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13974; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09299; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23294; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: NigelN@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA16756; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970924160900_1108205000@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: bmccoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: no traffic? Dunno about other traffic, I've been building a webpage. Triumph enthusiasts check out: Thunderbird Caf e Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 16:37:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14659; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10239; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24218; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Bergie ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23560; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709242038.QAA23560@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: no traffic? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:29:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > no cycles traffic because everyone's bummed about the coming of fall, > and chilly weather? Or because everyone's out on their bikes? > Carry me in spirit please..... I'm bummed because I lost 5 teeth off the my rear sprocket the other day while goofing around doing wheelies, and a replacement set is at least a week away because I can't find anyone who has both front and rear in stock. Best I could find is from MAW $ 64.22 delivered (17T steel front, 45T aluminum rear) who will ship to me next Monday, so I should have them installed by Track Day @ Summit on the 6th. Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 17:02:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15024; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10592; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24948; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA14273; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:54:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA29187; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA7313; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:54:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: CC: , , , Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970924205436.AAA7313@localHost> Dale writes: >I recently had to reconfigure my bike to better accomodate the new >large slant Willie&Max saddlebags I just got from Dennis Kirk mailorder. Off came the nasty old MAC 4 into 1 exhaust, noisy and rattley, complete (incomplete?) with missing baffle. Back on went the nice shiny, hardly used, and very quiet 4 into 2 stock exhaust. My 78 LTD sounds totally different now, much quieter and less irritating at speed. >All was well, or so I thought. This morning some guy in a nice new pickup >almost ran me off the road. I was on the Prince William Parkway (4 lanes, >divided) trying to get through a cluster of traffic. Two cars in front, the left one slowly passing the right one. Me following in the left lane, not quite alongside this evil pickup. The pickup guy decides that he needs to move over and pass *right now*, no signals, nothing. I noticed his front wheels starting to turn, and began laying on the horn. He never even flinched. I braked slightly to slow down, and he completed his move into my lane, just in front of me. Well, excuuuuuuusssse me! >Needless to say, I was a little upset. No harm no foul yada yada yada. >I did a stupid move and blew past him once traffic cleared, and gave >him an evil glare (a tough thing with a full face helmet on!) while laying on the horn. I think he had it figured out by the next stop light, as he gave me plenty of room when we stopped. >Can't help but think that if I was rolling along next to this guys door at 65 >mph with the noisy old exhaust, he would have been aware of me. Maybe >I should punch out the baffles? >You can't be too careful! I was lucky this time. Hey Dale. I'm guessing you're joking [about the baffle surgery, not the truck incident]. I have about as deep seated opinion about loud pipes as I do helmet laws. Meaning, most of the time I find them annoying, but sometimes I like the sound. That goes for any loud pipe, straight or slip on. Instead of ruining your pipes, get a louder horn. Become more visible (lane position, not bright green vest). From your note, it sounds like the truck was new and therefore somewhat foreign to the driver. It also sounds as like you are an experienced rider, picking up on the tire-turning cue. That, more than your horn or pipes are what saved you. FWIW, FIAMM makes an air horn that'll stick a VA Bike inspector to the roof of his garage like one of those scared cartoon cats. You can get them at an auto-parts store and I think I've seen them up at CAD. Problem is, on your bike it'd be kinda hard to hide the compressor. You could also hook in a series of early model car horns. More good luck to you, Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 18:24:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16177; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11497; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27283; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:23:04 -0400 (EDT) From: NigelN@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA13616 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970924182117_1492753711@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia British Motorcycle Club Fall Rally Anyone from DC area planning on riding down there? Nigel Nicholson http://members.aol.com/Nig elN/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 20:44:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17591; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12572; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00244; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.65.34]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA1073; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:42:59 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd B Peer" , Cc: , , , Subject: Re: Loud horns save lives? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:40:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970925004257.AAA1073@default> Hey, y'all-- I've had loud pipes for a little while, but never could say if they saved my life. I don't like them, so off they came. I have had many types of loud horns, and sometimes they help, and sometimes they don't. Some of these a-holes wouldn't notice if you whacked them with a baseball bat. Case in point, a guy exiting 270 came across 3 lanes to make the next left, intending to occupy the space I was about to be in. I knew he was going to do it, and laid on my 118db Hella electric horns (plus the stock beeper). I hit the brakes, too, so when he came across, I wasn't in his way. As he was _in front_ of me, he woke up and saw me, still on the horns. So he nailed the brakes and got all sideways in front of me. Great. I was on the way to the police station to switch bikes with my bro-in-law, and chose to leave my ever-present gun at home. Good thing for that guy. So what's my point? As we know, no amount of noise from anything will do the trick in all situations. I prefer to get my noise on demand, controlled by the horn button. Fiamm air horns are loud, but as Todd said, can be a pain to mount and look goofy. Fiamm electrics, and a couple of others, are loud, cheap and easy to mount. The Hellas are big, thus a bit hard to mount, and cost $70, but I think they're the loudest. I just put a set on my car. I think Fiamms and Hellas are louder than most car horns. I can get the Hellas if anybody wants some. The Fiamms are readily available at car parts stores, especially import places and many bike stores. I got another kind at Battley's, which were fine, but I can't remember the brand. Trak Auto has another brand I haven't tried. I used to go through a lot of horns because I insisted on mounting them too close to my pipes. A small price to pay to keep the (previous) bike good looking. Now I can just hide them in the bodywork. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 24 21:13:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17898; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12807; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emin25.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00732; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emin25.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA11480; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970924205451_1442866036@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 1997 Honda CR250 Please excuse the X-post. Posting for a friend of mine in case anyone is interested.... 1997 Honda CR250 Motocrosser Pro-Taper Bars Race-Tech Suspension $4900 OBO Raced 6 times Hagerstown, Maryland 301-790-1286 Travis Miller From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 08:15:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22386; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23938; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07871; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000028.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.40]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA10741 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:13:02 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9709250814.AA03777@204.91.98.131> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:14:03 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: Subject: Colder weather riding/winterizing Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Well, This is my first time as a mcist approaching winter and I have a couple of questions out there for the experts/experienced guys/gals: Subject 1: Colder Weather riding 1) When I ride, my hands/feet/neck seem to get cold the fastest - anyone have any recommendations on what to look for to keep it cozy when riding? (I've heard of the electric gloves/vests, are they worth it (How do they work?) 2) At what temperature is it 'bad' to even ride the bike (95 Nighhawk), that is, is there 'too cold' of a temperature to start and ride the bike? Subject 2: Winterizing 1) Living here in DC, do we need to go through the work of winterizing the bike, or have you found that every now and then you get a sunny day to get the bike running a little? (Or is it best to just put the thing up and winterize it) 2) What things are done to winterize a bike? That's it. Actually, one more question: I plan to do some good riding Saturday, what is a good day trip starting from the Fairfax area, heading out west. Mileage around 200 or so. Thanks and hope to see everyone out before the weather gets too awfully cold! Matt 95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 08:48:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22645; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24899; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08435; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 42a5ad10; Thu, 25 Sep 97 08:36:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:40:21 -0400 Message-ID: <42a5ad10@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I dunno, weigh this aagainst all the folks who would ban bikes (in their little domains) during certain hours because they are noisy. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 09:00:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22820; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25034; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08730; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA08337 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:00:43 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:00:43 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Colder weather riding/winterizing Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:57:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT, 57 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >1) When I ride, my hands/feet/neck seem to get cold the fastest - anyone have >any recommendations on what to look for to keep it cozy when riding? (I've >heard of the electric gloves/vests, are they worth it (How do they work?) The trunk of the body gets cold and shuts blood flow to the extremities down (feet and hands get cold). An electric vest is one method of keeping warm. A snowmobile suit also does a pretty good job, but is bulky. >2) At what temperature is it 'bad' to even ride the bike (95 Nighhawk), that >is, is there 'too cold' of a temperature to start and ride the bike? This is a personal decision - as long as I'm not dealing with frozen (icy) road surfaces, I ride (relatively comfortable) down into the 20s. Subject 2: Winterizing >1) Living here in DC, do we need to go through the work of winterizing the >bike, or have you found that every now and then you get a sunny day to get the >bike running a little? (Or is it best to just put the thing up and winterize it) If you're not going to touch it for a couple of months, you should winterize it. >2) What things are done to winterize a bike? 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I heard you....) :-) It's a cheap alternative to a balaclava. It's essentially the top of a turtleneck with a little bit of fabric that covers part of the chest and upper back. I bought a couple of black ones, they go with all my riding gear. Very comfortable and warm. (Just don't get rained on.) You can wear it under a shirt, it looks just like a turtleneck. I pull the turtleneck part up the whole way, it covers my neck and the lower part of my face, and the full face helmet does the rest. You can also pull them off over your head without having to take off jackets, sweaters, etc. They are also small, and can pack up nicely in a jacket pocket or on the bike somewhere (in a little plastic baggie) for when I'm caught somewhere and it has turned colder than I expected. I rode throughout the winter last year in the area with these things, they were great! I can uniquivocally state that this is the most practical and comfortable article of women's clothing that I have ever worn! :-) And no, I'm not a Marv Albert either. Horkster ---------- From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX[SMTP:elliottm@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 1997 8:14 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Colder weather riding/winterizing Well, This is my first time as a mcist approaching winter and I have a couple of questions out there for the experts/experienced guys/gals: Subject 1: Colder Weather riding 1) When I ride, my hands/feet/neck seem to get cold the fastest<> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 09:20:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23212; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25188; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geni34.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09451; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by geni34.arl.mil (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA28623; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:19:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:16:42 +0000 (edt) From: Morris Berman To: Matt Elliott - DIGEX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Colder weather riding/winterizing In-Reply-To: <9709250814.AA03777@204.91.98.131> Message-Id: X-X-Sender: morris@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1.) I will sometime put the gauntlets of my 3 season gloves under my jacket, that seems to keep out more wind and make a tighter seal. 2.) Ski mask works great for me to keep my chin warm and it fits under my Shoei RF200 3.) My Jacket's liner has a neck warmer that seals/insulates my neck pretty well. Ski store sell something similar, or use a bandana. 4.) I use a pair of windpants over my jeans, which keeps out most wind and makes it relatively comfortable down to ~35 or so. 5.) I ride my bike in all temps as long there is no frozen water around. 6.) We get enough 40-50 degree days that I've never thought it worthwhile to winterize in the DC area. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > Well, > > This is my first time as a mcist approaching winter and I have a couple of > questions out there for the experts/experienced guys/gals: > > Subject 1: Colder Weather riding > > 1) When I ride, my hands/feet/neck seem to get cold the fastest - anyone have > any recommendations on what to look for to keep it cozy when riding? (I've > heard of the electric gloves/vests, are they worth it (How do they work?) > > 2) At what temperature is it 'bad' to even ride the bike (95 Nighhawk), that > is, is there 'too cold' of a temperature to start and ride the bike? > > Subject 2: Winterizing > > 1) Living here in DC, do we need to go through the work of winterizing the > bike, or have you found that every now and then you get a sunny day to get the > bike running a little? (Or is it best to just put the thing up and winterize > it) > 2) What things are done to winterize a bike? > > That's it. Actually, one more question: I plan to do some good riding > Saturday, what is a good day trip starting from the Fairfax area, heading out > west. Mileage around 200 or so. > > Thanks and hope to see everyone out before the weather gets too awfully cold! > > Matt > 95 Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 09:21:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23245; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25206; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09475; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09239 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:21:43 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:21:43 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Loud pipes save lives? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:18:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 5 TEXT, 37 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 My personal preferences tend to loud horns I also saw a neat accessory on a BMW in an old James Bond flick - rocket launchers... begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(BD-`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````0S,Q1D)& M.$,W,#,U1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`*@UR;P!'@!P``$````; M````4D4Z($QO=60@<&EP97,@``@0`0`` M`&4```!-65!%4E-/3D%,4%)%1D5214Y#15-414Y$5$],3U5$2$]23E-)04Q3 M3U-!5T%.14%404-#15-33U)93TY!0DU724Y!3D],1$I!34530D].1$9,24-+ M+5)/0TM%5$Q!54Y#2$52``````,`$! ``````P`1$ ,````"`0D0`0````$! M``#]````,0$``$Q:1G45-G6T`P`*`')C<&G $D',"( = %A )<&:K!) )\&,'D70)\&078-1O M( D`=1>@: 6P`(!G"J(*A J 22 '0!90( 1S80?@82!N96'O!4 `T!%```!`````0`````````>``J "" &``````# ```` M````1@`````XA0```0````$``````````P`F```````#`#8```````(!^3\! M````'@````````#```````` M`-RG0,C 0A :M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"X````>`/H_`0```!4```!3>7-T M96T@061M:6YI`#T``0````4` M``!213H@``````L`*0``````"P`C```````"`7\``0```#X````\8SU54R5A M/5\E<#U6:7-A)6P]5DE302].04U%4DE#02\P,#!#-T4S-T!M From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Colder weather riding/winterizing To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Well, This is my first time as a mcist approaching winter and I have a couple of questions out there for the experts/experienced guys/gals: Subject 1: Colder Weather riding 1) (I've heard of the electric gloves/vests, are they worth it (How do they work?) Essentially electricity runs through these little wires, the resistance in the wires causes them to warm up, and then you get warm. As far as are they worth it, unabashedly yes. In cold weather, the best clothing mainly retains your body heat, while the air wants to remove it. It is a battle of attrition, and electric vests definitly change the odds. If it is really cold out, and you ride with an electric vest, you won't go back to the grillion layer look. I have ridden in the teens and twenties with electrics. I only wish I could keep frost crystals from forming where my Fog City shield stops-it is annoying. If you can, get a vest with a rheostat. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 09:50:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23674; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26034; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10059; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA19273 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:50:25 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma019219; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:49:57 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA23180; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA875195263; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:47:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9709258751.AA875195263@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:47:16 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: Colder weather riding/winterizing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) When I ride, my hands/feet/neck seem to get cold the fastest - anyone have any recommendations on what to look for to keep it cozy when riding? (I've heard of the electric gloves/vests, are they worth it (How do they work?) I've heard that electric vests are great, though I've never used them.. They just have a quick connect that attached to the bikes battery - and then to the vest. You can also get chaps and gloves with the same setup. Personally, if I have halfway insulated gloves, my hands do ok for about 30 miles. I tend to ride year round because I hate driving a car... You're looking at $150 for a good vest.. worth it? YMMV 2) At what temperature is it 'bad' to even ride the bike (95 Nighthawk), that is, is there 'too cold' of a temperature to start and ride the bike? It's really not good to ride short distances for a long time (i.e. 5 mile trip to work for 2 months with no longer trip in there). The oil builds up toxins that eat at the metal. Just generally bad.. if you have a longer trip - like 20 miles, or if you can get the bike to heat up well - that should take care of the problem (heat destroys the toxins). Subject 2: Winterizing 1) Living here in DC, do we need to go through the work of winterizing the bike, or have you found that every now and then you get a sunny day to get the bike running a little? (Or is it best to just put the thing up and winterize it) No need to winterize the bike here - there's at least 1-2 beautiful days each month - take full advantage of those nice days and do a 100 mile trip. When you get back home, top up that tank with gas and fuel stabilizer. Oh, and charge the battery through the quick connect that you use with your electric vest... life's easy.. Just enjoy yourself, and if riding on cold roads, remember that you're going to have a LOT less traction.. be careful. Brian McCoy.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 10:00:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23803; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26289; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz. by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10302; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.elkrun.chantilly.va.us by taz. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07277; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:56:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:59:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini Reply-To: pierre@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? In-Reply-To: <42a5ad10@emh3.arl.mil> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virgina Internet Access Cooperative X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For the longest time I have been a proponent that loud-pipes save lives. My pipe is full-open competition, and I find it quite annoying. :-( Nothing like passing a cager with the pipe screaming, i am sure they really appreciate that. :-( Maybe appreciate it to the point, that they will now run me down, cause that is what cagers do. I average 3-4 times a year, people trying to run into me on purpose, and believe you me, I no longer ride like a squid, that would give them justification. Now I fear the mear presence of the pipe is enough to provoke them. Pipes attract cops. Race through that light? They know it. If you were silent, maybe they would not have noticed. It is tuff not to notice 8000 rpm. FIAM is the way to go. -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 10:02:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23822; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26339; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10342; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goddardj ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA16283; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342A6E62.A59AA65@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:00:03 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "cbxturbo@XXXXXX" Subject: Very cool bikes for sale, Living room quality X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My riding buddy is selling these bikes they are sweet! 1979 Triumph Bonneville, 10k miles, blue/silver all stock, show winner must see, $5000 or close offer. 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John Swift h 202-966-0889 ans machine email- cbxturbo@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 10:02:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23830; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26356; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10368; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 42a69d10; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:40:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:50:10 -0400 Message-ID: <42a69d10@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: winterizing Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.875194833" This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.875194833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >2) What things are done to winterize a bike? If you aren't going to ride it at all, fill the tank with the cheapest unleaded fuel you can find, then pour some Stabil (available at some bike places) into the tank. This will keep your carbs and stuff safe. There may be some additional intructions on the can. I really have never stored a bike for very long, even when I was overseas I got some folks to ride my bike occasionally. Not ridng a bike is a good way to kill it. Dave --IMA.Boundary.875194833 Content-Type: text/basic; name="WINMAIL.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: text file xM-^_>")^M^A^FM-^P^H M-@set0 ^G^SM-M^BM-^@} M-^@^HM-H ; o^N0f5^BM-^@ M-^Auc M-" M-^A^TM-"^VU^UM-^^[^A^[^Wp^EM-^Qm^GM-^@^X0atiM-g^B ^D ^B w^P@^E@^YaM-= M-@^Z@^W^Z!!A ^Qh M-R(HoM-^M^GM-`d^Yp'Vk?)"M-5M-^["M-O^PM- T^Z1%M-`un^XM-pM-{%5^FM-`d^WM-p^YM-^Q^D ^YM-S^X!y^Y M-@m1a^Y M-@0^TM-O^PM-^PE$M-_+ ^Q1 M-^@^H ^F --IMA.Boundary.875194833-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 10:04:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23844; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26389; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10406; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:04:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA08880 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970925100126_-1964893471@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia British Motorcycle Club Fall Rally >>Anyone from DC area planning on riding down there?<< I'm going, but in a car. I'm sharing a vendor space with a friend. It'll be easy to spot - I'll be the one with leather jackets. It would be great if listers would introduce themselves. It's nice to put faces to the names that come out of the ether and into my computer. Colleen http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 10:14:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23998; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26680; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10654; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz. by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09862; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from overload.elkrun.chantilly.va.us by taz. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA07290; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:09:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini Reply-To: pierre@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Cold Hands Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virgina Internet Access Cooperative X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you do not spend money on electrics, the next best thing are HIPPO hands. I have both a set for a sportbike and a set for a standard upright riding motorcyle. Ugliest things you ever did see. They are vinyl covers that act as a windblock. Once you stop the wind, you can wear light gloves underneath down to 30 degrees. Lower if you wear winter gloves inside the hippo hands. These things are not for the meek. They look like someone has placed wings on your bike. You can no longer see your controls, nor easily move your hands around. Not a good idea for a DC commute, but if you are on the open road... I do not believe they are sold anymore. :-( I think I have seen a version that are cloth in nature that in stores and catalogs, but they do not stop the wind like vinyl does. To other MUST HAVE winter riding gear FOG CITY fog shield An apple warmer, to block the wind hitting your neck. With all these devices I could go 30 minutes, sub-20 degrees, no electrics. God save you if you catch any wind at 60 miles an hour. You will feel it. -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 10:37:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24448; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27063; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11286; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:36:19 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA13560 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:35:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013539; Thu Sep 25 09:35:08 1997 Message-ID: <342A76F5.36BE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:36:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is NO evidence, beyond merely anecdotal, that loud pipes affect your safety in any manner, either negatively or positively. Pipes, by their nature, send the bulk of the sound behind you. Your biggest threat is cars in FRONT of you, who generally don't hear your loud pipes 'till you're right alongside or past 'em. It's a superstition to think you're making yourself safer with loud pipes; you might as well have a purple rabbit's foot dangling on your mirror. On the negative side, loud pipes have definitely been cited and upheld as valid reasons to ban motorcycles from certain public parks, parkways, and municipal streets. Courts have held that, for administrative convenience, the local municipality can ban ALL bikes because it's too much trouble to simply cite each loud bike individually. So if you like 'em loud, go ahead and ride 'em loud. But don't labor the rest of us under the misconception that you're making yourself any safer. You're not. And you're giving all motorcyclists a harder time by making it easier for citizens to have us banned from some of the most beautiful riding. Loud pipes make headaches or music, depending on your point of view. But they don't make you any safer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 10:41:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24488; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27212; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeb.s3i.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11357; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmo.s3i.com by jeb.s3i.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23798; Thu, 25 Sep 97 10:40:07 EDT Received: from localhost by elmo.s3i.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA15345; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:40:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo To: dc-cycle Subject: Winterizing Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I usually have two bikes, and winterize one of them fairly early in the fall because I know I won't ride enough to keep both in shape. Below is a list of things to do that I saw once and copied. It may be overkill and I don't bleed the brakes during winterizing, and I don't understand the remove/replace air filter part: 1) Wash, dry, and wax bike thoroughly. 2) Drain coolant, flush system, add new coolant. 3) Put some gas stabilizer in the tank (available at auto part stores). Also make sure the tank is as full as possible. 4) Ride the bike until warmed up. 5) Change the oil and filter. 6) Lube the chain. (Shafties take a break). 7) Drain the carb fuel bowls (small screws at the bottom) 8) Remove air filter. 9) Remove spark plugs. Inject a small amount of 2-stroke oil into each cylinder. Crank the moter a few times. 10) Replace spark plugs. 11) Replace air filter. 12) Seal the air intakes with duct tape. Mice are very fond of using the airbox as a repository for food and nesting. 13) Remove the battery and put it on a trickle charger in a warm place. 14) Put the bike on the centerstand, jack up the front tire also. 15) Spray some WD40 into the exhaust pipes, this absorbs water and puts a nice oil coating on the insides of the exhaust system. ONLY do this AFTER the pipes are cool to the touch. 16) Seal the ends of the mufflers with plastic bags. 17) Put some silicon preservative on a rag and wipe down all the rubber pieces except for the grips, pegs, and tires. 18) Lube all cables and moving gizmo's like foot pegs, levers, etc. 19) Bleed brakes and clutch. 20) Cover with a breathable cover and let'er sleep. -- Clark 1977 BMW R75/7 1983 Yamaha XS650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:01:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24890; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28145; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12095; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id LAC092.93; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:01:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925074427.00a24ec0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:44:27 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > The pickup guy decides that he needs to move >over and pass *right now*, no signals, nothing. I noticed his front wheels >starting to turn, and began laying on the horn. He never even flinched. I >braked slightly to slow down, and he completed his move into my lane, just >in front of me. Well, excuuuuuuusssse me! ... >Can't help but think that if I was rolling along next to this guys door at 65 >mph with the noisy old exhaust, he would have been aware of me. Maybe >I should punch out the baffles? It's possible loud pipes would have helped, but if the driver didn't hear and react to a horn, what makes you think he'd hear and react to loud pipes? The big problem with loud pipes is that they're loud all the time. They do a poor job of saving lives, and they do a great job of getting bikes banned. I think every bike ban in this country names noise as the first reason. Over 150 communities have banned leaf blowers because of the irritating noise -- it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that those communities wouldn't want loud bikes. People tell me how loud bikers woke up their sick baby. Homeowners' associations tell me I can't enter to see my friends because I'm riding a bike. I'm turned away from a campground because I'm riding a bike. Loud pipes get bikes banned. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:01:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24889; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28144; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12099; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id LAD092.93; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:01:07 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925074725.00a234f0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:47:25 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: no traffic? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My only gripe used to be how easily my Shoei full face (the winter >helmet) would fog up under 70 degrees, but the Rain-X Anti-Fog >stuff does seem to help dramatically. Not sure how often I'll need >to reapply it. The only thing that works for me is the Fog City Fog Shield. It's great. It can ice up, though, when the temps get down in the 20's. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:03:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24921; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28186; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12126; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s62.erols.com [207.172.110.125]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02871; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709251504.LAA02871@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:04:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > There is NO evidence, beyond merely anecdotal, that loud pipes affect > your safety in any manner, either negatively or positively. Pipes, by > their nature, send the bulk of the sound behind you. Your biggest > threat is cars in FRONT of you, who generally don't hear your loud pipes > 'till you're right alongside or past 'em. It's a superstition to think > you're making yourself safer with loud pipes; you might as well have a > purple rabbit's foot dangling on your mirror. > > I see. So, all those times that Im in my cage, and hear a Harley cumin up behind me, Im not actually hearing them? So, all those times Ive searched for where they are I was only imagining that I heard them? Every time I see people on the passenger side of cars breakin their necks to look out the window BEHIND them to see ME when *Im* cumin up on MY loud bike, they aint REALLY lookin for me? It was sumthin ELSE they heard? When Im cumin up on a cage, and I can see the driver lookin in HIS rear view mirror to find ME, its just what... a normal reflex? Give it a rest. Loud pipes DO attract attention. They DO look to see where you are. Whether you're cumin up behind them, or are in front of them, they DO hear you. That doesnt mean they're gonna be any less the morons many of them are, and actually try to not run you down, but they will at least have noticed you before they do it. Squeakers squeakers@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:10:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25022; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28358; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geni34.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12336; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by geni34.arl.mil (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA28693; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:10:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:07:32 +0000 (edt) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? In-Reply-To: <199709251504.LAA02871@smtp1.erols.com> Message-Id: X-X-Sender: morris@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Asbestos mode on... So, I guess you have loud pipes, you don't need a helmet? Asbestos mode off. Why don't we put the 'loud pipes' discussion in the FAQ. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:13:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25069; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28406; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12406; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21190; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC9A3.9CD135E0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Cold Hands Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:10:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 44 TEXT I would imagine the hippo hands are a pain if you have to take your hands off the handlebars, such as to adjust the choke, or pop open the shield on the helmet at a stop light to reduce fogging. You can't easily slip your hands in and out, or can you? Horkster ---------- From: Thomas Piergallini[SMTP:pierre@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 1997 10:12 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Cold Hands If you do not spend money on electrics, the next best thing are HIPPO hands. I have both a set for a sportbike and a set for a standard upright riding motorcyle. Ugliest things you ever did see. They are vinyl covers that act as a windblock. Once you stop the wind, you can wear light gloves underneath down to 30 degrees. Lower if you wear winter gloves inside the hippo hands. These things are not for the meek. They look like someone has placed wings on your bike. You can no longer see your controls, nor easily move your hands around. Not a good idea for a DC commute, but if you are on the open road... I do not believe they are sold anymore. :-( I think I have seen a version that are cloth in nature that in stores and catalogs, but they do not stop the wind like vinyl does. To other MUST HAVE winter riding gear FOG CITY fog shield An apple warmer, to block the wind hitting your neck. With all these devices I could go 30 minutes, sub-20 degrees, no electrics. God save you if you catch any wind at 60 miles an hour. You will feel it. -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:15:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25099; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28450; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smartwall.gtsi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12516; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smartwall.gtsi.com; id MAA29261; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hq.gtsi.com(192.254.16.1) by smartwall.gtsi.com via smap (V3.1) id xma029219; Thu, 25 Sep 97 12:11:24 -0400 Received: from rebel.gtsi.com ([192.254.16.7]) by hq.gtsi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15339; Thu, 25 Sep 97 11:34:10 EDT Received: by rebel.gtsi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC9A4.0B663B40@XXXXXX>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:13:26 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCC9A4.0B663B40@rebel.gtsi.com> From: Phil Simerly To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Colder weather riding/winterizing Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:24:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Elliott - DIGEX writes 1) When I ride, my hands/feet/neck seem to get cold the fastest - anyone have any recommendations on what to look for to keep it cozy when riding? (I've heard of the electric gloves/vests, are they worth it (How do they work?) [Simerly, Phil L.] writes Have not tried this yet, found it on the web its a way to make home brew electric clothing. http://orion.it.luc.edu/~shuff/electrics.html Phil Simerly - Working for the company formally known as Government Technology Services, INC. Phone 703/502-2419 - Fax 703/222-5208 - e-mail pls@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:22:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25276; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29177; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12773; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA29965 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:21:58 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma029935; Thu, 25 Sep 97 11:21:33 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA25328 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA875200759; Thu, 25 Sep 97 11:19:21 -0500 Message-Id: <9709258752.AA875200759@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 11:17:05 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Loud pipes save lives? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit squeekers, a response to loud pipes getting bikes banned from campgrounds, apt. parking lots, such and so-forth? Do you admit that they do that, or do you have an excuse for those 'occurrences' too? just curious. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:27:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25374; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29847; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12963; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16172; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (jteitel@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA22568; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:26:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Teitel To: jimi@XXXXXX cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: NDC: Tire balancing stand wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 jimi@XXXXXX wrote: > I used to see these a lot in catalogs, but after looking at a local > dealerships pile, I came away dissappointed. I'm looking for one of those > low-tech stands with the cones on spindles for letting the wheel spin > free. If someone knows the company, part number, mail order source for > one of these, I would really appreciate it. I seem to remember seeing something like this in the J.C. Whitney catalog. If you don't have access to one I can take a more carefull look when I get home tonight. Jeff Teitel ============================================================================ Keep the Rubber Side Down jteitel@XXXXXX '92 Seca II DoD#1365 "Out of the ethernet, through the switch, down the fiber, across the router, past the firewall, over the T-1... nothing but 'Net." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:27:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25385; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29882; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12995; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id LAA095.23; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:27:09 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925111636.00a2d1a0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:16:36 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Colder weather riding/winterizing In-Reply-To: <9709250814.AA03777@204.91.98.131> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Subject 1: Colder Weather riding > >1) When I ride, my hands/feet/neck seem to get cold the fastest - anyone have >any recommendations on what to look for to keep it cozy when riding? (I've >heard of the electric gloves/vests, are they worth it (How do they work?) Hands-- good leather gauntlet gloves. Try electrics if you want. http://www.widder.com, http://www.gerbing.com Feet -- layered wool socks, and boots. Try electric socks or electric soles if you want. Neck -- polar fleece neck gaiter from a backpackers store. Widder vests can have a heated collar. Note: keep your torso warm and your extremities will not get cold as easily. >2) At what temperature is it 'bad' to even ride the bike (95 Nighhawk), that >is, is there 'too cold' of a temperature to start and ride the bike? There's more wear on a cold start than a warm one. Put synthetic oil in the bike so it turns over easier in cold weather, and so the oil flows easily right when the engine starts. Too cold? No, there's riders in Norway and Sweden who ride all year 'round. >Subject 2: Winterizing > >1) Living here in DC, do we need to go through the work of winterizing the >bike, or have you found that every now and then you get a sunny day to get the >bike running a little? (Or is it best to just put the thing up and winterize >it) My winterizing consists of putting a larger windscreen on, checking the electric vest connection, and maybe putting on the Hippo Hands. >2) What things are done to winterize a bike? See above. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:31:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25447; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00388; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13088; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA04666 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:30:59 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346444622E@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Colder weather riding/winterizing Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:30:41 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,!!! It is not getting cold. It is all a state of mind. It is too early to talk about winterizing. You can ride year round in DC without electrics. See you all at the Polar Bear Run. Whew, I feel better now. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:35:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25502; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00504; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13202; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA14871 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:33:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA12366 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:33:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA18318 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:33:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Subject: Re: Colder weather riding/winterizing X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970925153349.AAA18318@localHost> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:14:03 "Matt Elliott wrote: >This is my first time as a mcist approaching winter and I have a couple of >questions out there for the experts/experienced guys/gals: > >Subject 1: Colder Weather riding > >1) When I ride, my hands/feet/neck seem to get cold the fastest - anyone have >any recommendations on what to look for to keep it cozy when riding? (I've >heard of the electric gloves/vests, are they worth it (How do they work?) The following are my opinions as everyone has a different take on what cozy is. Last year I rode my '92 NiteHawk un-faired. Get a fairing! I don't use an electric vest or gloves primarily because my commute is only 15 miles one way. If I had more than 25 miles to ride, I'd get the electrics. I've heard nothing but good things about them. But since I don't have them I use an XL winter glove most of the time and carry a thin army surplus wool glove for liners on the really cold days. I have one of the first helmet skirts made. Its made of quilted jacket liner material and vecros to my helmet around the bottom, and then I tuck it in to my jacket. Works great. Last year I wore a Spartan Winter jump suit ($150) and a fleece jacket ($70) under that on the exceptionally cold days. This year I plan to use the Spartan Winter bib pants with my new Darien Jacket ($470!!!). I have the Combat Touring Boots that are comfortable at any temperature. This year I'll be riding my ST1100 with a big barn door in front of me. Anything you can do to keep wind off of your skin is key. > >2) At what temperature is it 'bad' to even ride the bike (95 Nighhawk), that >is, is there 'too cold' of a temperature to start and ride the bike? As long as you have a good charge in your battery and your oil is'nt froze, start and ride your bike. I've started mine with my car battery assisting at 8 degrees before. BTW, DONT START THE CAR FIRST. Just use the battery or you run the risk of cooking your electrics. Yeah, I'm a masochist and I oft wonder just what the hell I'm doing out here this cold. Once I get on the HOV and see those poor suckers in their cages though, I remember. >Subject 2: Winterizing > >1) Living here in DC, do we need to go through the work of winterizing the >bike, or have you found that every now and then you get a sunny day to get the >bike running a little? (Or is it best to just put the thing up and winterize >it) There are breaks in the cold around here. So yea, you can ride a little more comfortably (32 degrees) :-) >2) What things are done to winterize a bike? Never done it before, but draining carbs, gas tank and oil seem logical. replace oil and filter. Put battery on trickle charge. WD40 on bolts and chrome for preservation. > >That's it. Actually, one more question: I plan to do some good riding >Saturday, what is a good day trip starting from the Fairfax area, heading out >west. Mileage around 200 or so. Stay tuned Matt. There's always a good ride coming up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:42:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25705; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00791; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13610; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s62.erols.com [207.172.110.125]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28420; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:42:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199709251542.LAA28420@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: "Brian McCoy" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:44:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Loud pipes save lives? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > squeekers, a response to loud pipes getting bikes banned from > campgrounds, apt. parking lots, such and so-forth? Do you admit that > they do that, or do you have an excuse for those 'occurrences' too? > > > just curious. > > You'll always have people trying to stop you from doing just about everything you ever like to do. Not just riding. Its the old "if *I* dont like it, YOU cant do it" philosophy. Join something like the AMA and always fight to keep your rights. Do you tailor everything you ever do to make everyone else happy? Sure, people try and ban anything they possibly can,( God, are we a country of tight asses or what!) and unless someone is willing to fight them, they'll usually get away with it. People ARE fighting, though, and "bans" ARE being challenged and dropped. Wasnt it in california that a "motorcycle ban" was just pretty recently overturned in a subdivision? It was somewhere. I gotta look it up in my magazine. Squeakers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:47:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25908; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00916; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13972; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s62.erols.com [207.172.110.125]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15392; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709251549.LAA15392@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Morris Berman Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:49:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Asbestos mode on... > > So, I guess you have loud pipes, you don't need a helmet? > > Asbestos mode off. > > -Mb > YES!! I LIKE that! :) Get that damn thing off my head and feel free for a change! 'cept on the highway. Ill still wear it there. Helps to block some of the wind in my ears. Well, actually, the helmet keeps the headphones on my ears tight, and THAT blocks the wind so's I can hear my music better. Squeakers squeakers@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 11:48:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25956; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00940; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14004; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA22269 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:47:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199709251547.AA22269@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:47:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:47:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:45:16 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Directions to Summit from Herndon Va. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970925074725.00a234f0@204.194.180.21> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12cPda00007cj ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME Can anyone give me directions to Summit Pt from Herndon? We have some friends coming down from Ohio that will be racing this weekend and they wanted to meet us for dinner saturday and I have no idea how to get there or how long it will take from the Reston/Herndon area. thanks! -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 12:09:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26911; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01325; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15703; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IO251U9O8G8X074E@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:10:07 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:05:11 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:05:11 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:05:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Cold Hands/hippo hands To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1145IAQ2LVV5 X400-MTS-identifier: [;11502152907991/1988099@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >These things are not for the meek. They look like someone has placed >wings on your bike. You can no longer see your controls, nor easily move >your hands around. Not a good idea for a DC commute, but if you are on >the open road... They really aren't that bad for commuting, once you get used to them. I can get my hands in and out plenty quickly since they're stiff enough that they don't move around. >I do not believe they are sold anymore. :-( I think I have seen a >version that are cloth in nature that in stores and catalogs, but they do >not stop the wind like vinyl does. I've got some that are made out of nylon or somesuch and are lined. They have velcro rather than the old clamp and frame set-up of the Hippo Hands. They block the wind just fine. As a bonus, they are sufficiently water resistant that rain gloves are superfluous. I think they were something like $35 locally. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 12:24:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27219; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01938; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16240; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA24120 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:23:40 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:23:40 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "Aki.Damme" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Directions to Summit from Herndon Va. Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:20:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT, 47 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Can anyone give me directions to Summit Pt from Herndon? Aki - the easiest route is 7 west - about a mile past the main turnoff for Berryville is the turnoff for Summit Point (there is a traffic light there now). Right at the light (the only option other than straight - unless a developer has been there recently). This road will come to a "T" intersection - Right at the "T" - follow this road to the track - sorry I don't know the road numbers - my bike knows which way to turn. Secondary route - take 7 west to 9 (just past Leesburg). Follow 9 into Charles Town WV - left at the main intersection to the town of Summit Point - track is about 1 mile past (west of) the town. Hope this helps - driving distance from Sterling is about 40 miles - time varies begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(B<0`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````1C@Q1D)& M.$,W,#,U1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`,@0(@92!G:79C%V '@"!D:0EP%J!I$P(@!"!T M;P8`=6UMFFD%0% %0 -2($@$D?ID`B _`S 4HA95%C$*P(,*A J 06MI("T8 MH/)H%V!E80"0!Y %0 -@"G46@" $`" W('?_'-(<, &@'2$7`!? `Q 78'\* ML!SA'%(`P N &* (<&XN;P$@&7 %L4($D')Y?G8#$![1'7$<4A_J&.9O>PN M!4 H'%$)@"0!P M*"$00 0@8@GA-R3E&"$)\'0G4"6!5&BS'7$#8&%D'; A`2 %H,<7T1BQ'I B M5"(=8 (P_P20$' 80QPA);LMLAPP`A!_(1 E8!Q!+$88L2&#)"!CFFL<(7,% ML"#0($D7\'4"("<%0&LE41Q#+'-N+QCP*L 08!PA;2=@8FGN:Q=@,O($('LC0R&% 7T78* MP!S!%@H+&S01,0!*@ ,`@!#_____"P`#@ @@!@``````P ```````$8````` M`X4`````__\#``6 "" &``````# ````````1@`````0A0````````,``( ( M( 8``````, ```````!&`````%*%``"W#0``'@`!@ @@!@``````P `````` M`$8`````5(4```$````$````."XP``,``H (( 8``````, ```````!&```` M``&%````````"P`$@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````#H4````````#``: M"" &``````# ````````1@`````1A0````````,`!X (( 8``````, ````` M``!&`````!B%````````'@`(@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````-H4```$` M```!`````````!X`"8 (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#>%```!`````0`` M```````>``J "" &``````# ````````1@`````XA0```0````$````````` M`P`F```````#`#8```````(!^3\!````'@````````#`````````-RG0,C 0A :M+D(`"LOX8(!```````` M`"X````>`/H_`0```!4```!3>7-T96T@061M:6YI`#T``0````4```!213H@``````L`*0``````"P`C```` M```"`7\``0```#X````\8SU54R5A/5\E<#U6:7-A)6P]5DE302].04U%4DE# C02\P,#!#.#(R,$!M; id MAB100.31; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:24:43 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925112105.00a302f0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:21:05 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Colder weather riding/winterizing In-Reply-To: <42a5fae0@emh3.arl.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I have ridden in the teens and twenties with electrics. I only wish > I could keep frost crystals from forming where my Fog City shield > stops-it is annoying. If you can, get a vest with a rheostat. I've got instructions for making a heated faceshield (drill holes and thread nichrome wire through them). I've heard that snowmobilers use heated faceshields, and I think BMW used to offer one for motorcycles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 12:50:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27581; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04119; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17021; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA11338; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:49:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA30711; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA579; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:49:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: casper1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Unsubscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970925164859.AAA579@localHost> >> >> >While it is sometimes amusing reading about the motorcycle travels on >> >the east coast it doesn't do me much good on the left coast. >> > >> >Unsubscribe >> > >> >Casper1 >> >> Well with that attitude you are bound to be amused for as long >> as you haven't figured out how to leave. Just do what you did >> to get on the list, backwards ;^) >> >> Todd > > >Todd, > >I would, except I don't know what my son did to get us on this mailing >list. Maybe you can recommend a good manual on how to remove yourself >from unwanted email lists. > Yup. Definitely an attitude problem. You should've just explained to the list that 'your son' got you stuck in the first place. Now I'm _definitely_ not gonna help you...jerk. >By the way the weather is beautiful out here. btw, I don't care. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 12:50:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27587; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04251; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17040; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id MAB102.23; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925123942.00a55d40@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:39:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? In-Reply-To: <199709251504.LAA02871@smtp1.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:04 AM 9/25/97 +0000, Squeakers wrote: > Loud pipes DO attract >attention. Of course they attract attention. That's why motorcycle bans usually mention the noise problem first. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 12:50:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27592; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04255; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17052; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09585; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id MAC102.23; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:08 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925124256.00a55360@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:42:56 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Cold Hands In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 AM 9/25/97 -0400, dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >I would imagine the hippo hands are a pain if you have to take your >hands off the handlebars, such as to adjust the choke, or pop open the shield >on the helmet at a stop light to reduce fogging. You can't easily slip your >hands in and out, or can you? You can, though you have to pull your hand straight back to get it out of the Hippo Hands. Putting your hand back it is easy, since the Hands have a stiffener that holds them in position. After a 1 hour ride to meet some friends (temp. about 30 deg.) my hands were warm enough to surprise my friends, as we shook hands. With winter gloves inside Hippo Hands, my hands never get cold (that's down to about 15 deg., in my experience). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 13:06:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27831; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04512; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smartwall.gtsi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17550; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smartwall.gtsi.com; id OAA13397; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hq.gtsi.com(192.254.16.1) by smartwall.gtsi.com via smap (V3.1) id xma013355; Thu, 25 Sep 97 14:01:49 -0400 Received: from rebel.gtsi.com ([192.254.16.7]) by hq.gtsi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15536; Thu, 25 Sep 97 13:24:33 EDT Received: by rebel.gtsi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCC9B3.756DF280@XXXXXX>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:03:46 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCC9B3.756DF280@rebel.gtsi.com> From: Phil Simerly To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Directions to Summit from Herndon Va Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:14:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki.Damme - Writes Can anyone give me directions to Summit Pt from Herndon? We have some friends coming down from Ohio that will be racing this weekend and they wanted to meet us for dinner saturday and I have no idea how to get there or how long it will take from the Reston/Herndon area. Phil - Writes The following link with take you the Summit Point Home Page (Map and direction to SP) http://www.bsr-inc.com/bsr/summit/LOCSP.HTM Phil Simerly - Working for the company formally known as Government Technology Services, INC. Phone 703/502-2419 - Fax 703/222-5208 - e-mail pls@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 13:13:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27886; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04556; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17675; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC9B4.7E24F9E0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Loud pipes save lives? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:11:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT Naw, too messy. It leaves too much debris on the road to SIPDE through. Now rear mounted rocket launchers...hmm. Blow them out of the water before they get a chance to rear end you... I like it! Horkster ---------- From: Jordan, Michael[SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 1997 9:18 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Loud pipes save lives? <> My personal preferences tend to loud horns I also saw a neat accessory on a BMW in an old James Bond flick - rocket launchers... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 13:39:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28422; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04883; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18722; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC9B8.8D806A60@XXXXXX>; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:40:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'casper1@XXXXXX'" , "'Todd B Peer'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:40:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT Yea, its real nice out there right now. Southern CA has rain from a hurricane and alot of the state is having 90 degree days. Real nice, hope your enjoying the El Nino. Glenn >>By the way the weather is beautiful out here. > >btw, I don't care. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 13:40:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28482; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04902; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18870; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11038; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:40:15 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:35:16 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from 24-charlie [207.168.31.15] by dclink.com with smtp id ANCCDHCB ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:34:56 -0500 From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: loud pipes Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:37:37 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.6102.9571@207.168.31.15 Well I used to have an EX with a yosh exhaust and it was pretty loud and it was alright and I got used to it. You can ride and not make alot of noise and then you can ride and really make alot of noise it depends on the rider and there ability not to rev the engine and stay at high RPMs. But people did pay attention if you ended up in there blind spots but not always I almost got run off the road driving right next to someone, I made eye contact right as they started to move over and they almost still didn't see me, so one and half dozen or another sometimes they work sometimes they don't "it's all in rider preference" it's your choice. I'm neutral on this matter. But then again someone did mention rockets, How about landmines dropped off the back of the bike now that would be of useful. Makes for really quick get aways. CK Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 14:25:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29256; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05734; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20612; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:24:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: no traffic? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:24:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > The only thing that works for me is the Fog City Fog Shield. It's > great. > It can ice up, though, when the temps get down in the 20's. > > Chris Norloff > I tried Fog City on my Arai Quantum and was deeply dissapointed. 1) It scratched very easily when cleaning. 2) The curvature of the lens offered some noticable distortion. 3) Headlights refracted at night giving that star like appearance. 4) It got FOGGY! Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 14:42:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29466; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06447; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21141; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:42:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Colder weather riding/winterizing Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:42:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > I've got instructions for making a heated faceshield (drill holes and > thread nichrome wire through them). > > Chris Norloff > > > You have a diagram or something? From the above description one imagines the appearance of a mocasin. Wouldn't rain water go through those holes? Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 14:43:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29479; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06513; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21161; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA27649 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:43:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199709251843.AA27649@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:43:07 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:43:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:30:11 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Directions to Summit from Herndon Va. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12cRRz00003of ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME thanks to all for the directions to summit point......sounds like it's not too difficult to get to and I should allow about an hour to get there from Herndon....... cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 14:48:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29582; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06863; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21351; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IO2AM0UE5S8X04RN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:49:11 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:44:44 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:45:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: FW: no traffic? To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1168IAQ36J9O X400-MTS-identifier: [;44444152907991/1988880@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >3) Headlights refracted at night giving that star like appearance. Yes, the package warns of this problem. >4) It got FOGGY! What did you clean it with? You can easily take the fog-proofing off with the wrong cleaner. The package recommends gentle cleaners. I use eye glass cleaner. I used the stuff at a gas station once and, sure enough, the fog proofing was gone... I really think the Fog Shield is a good product and they're pretty cheap. When I've followed the instructions with the package they've lasted longer than my shield... Before you I'd heard nothing but good reviews from actual users... It might be worth giving them another chance. Maybe you got a bad one? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 16:08:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01303; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08207; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24915; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id QAA115.13; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:07:51 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925160601.00a5f220@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:06:01 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Fog Shield [was: Re: FW: no traffic? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:24 PM 9/25/97 -0400, Amit Chatterjie wrote: >> The only thing that works for me is the Fog City Fog Shield. It's >> great. It can ice up, though, when the temps get down in the 20's. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >I tried Fog City on my Arai Quantum and was deeply dissapointed. >1) It scratched very easily when cleaning. Yes. Paper towels can do a number on it. I get about a year before it needs to be replaced. ($17) >2) The curvature of the lens offered some noticable distortion. Didn't notice any myself. (Shoei Duo-Tec with a single-curve faceshield.) >3) Headlights refracted at night giving that star like appearance. Noticeable but minimal. A worthwhile tradeoff for no fog. >4) It got FOGGY! Mine will start to fog under the worst conditions (20 deg., just got on the bike, breathing right on the shield). In normal use for me, no fog. Though I'll still crack the faceshield open at a traffic light if I'm going to be stopped long. If the Fog Shield fogs easily, then perhaps it wasn't installed correctly -- the adhesive has to secure the Fog Shield all the way around the Shield. Making sure everything is squeaky-clean before installing the Fog Shield is also very important. Also, if you wear eyeglasses, you can stop the faceshield from fogging but still your eyeglasses will fog. a satisfied Fog Shield customer for years, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 16:23:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01458; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08351; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25296; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.73.143]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA13515; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:23:02 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Loud pipes save lives? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:21:03 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970925202301.AAA13515@default> I don't think any subdivision bike bans have been beaten. The subdivision (in these cases) is private property and the residents sign an agreement giving the homeowners association broad powers. They can ban whatever they want. The AMA beat a ban in a Boston area park (Brockton) and a restriction in Chicago recently, but no neighborhoods that I can recall. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 16:39:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01687; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08470; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25752; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.73.143]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA29465; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:39:14 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Amit Chatterjie" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Colder weather riding/winterizing Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:37:13 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970925203912.AAA29465@default> A fog shield note- If you wear glasses, you'll fog them too. I don't like the star effect fron the fog shield, and I don't seem to fog my shield as bad as some folks, so I tossed mine. It did the job on fog, tho. I use a Masque brand neoprene neck thing I got at a ski shop. It meets my Firstgear jacket's pop-up neck cover nicely. I haven't looked at what I'll need for my new (used) Oregon Trail jacket to keep my neck warm. I have Olympia Kevlar-Thinsulate-Goretex winter gloves and I'm not impressed. I'll be looking for something new. Electrics maybe. I wear Patagonia expedition weight long underwear. Very warm. Amazing stuff. Expensive. I don't usually ride below 36 degrees. The pavement's a bit too slipppery for me. Later Kevin PS--for new and used leather, including gloves, also rainsuits, MotorLE@XXXXXX He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 16:46:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01884; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08503; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26093; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s16.erols.com [207.172.110.79]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04802; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709252045.QAA04802@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: klthomas@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:48:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Loud pipes save lives? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > I don't think any subdivision bike bans have been beaten. The subdivision > (in these cases) is private property and the residents sign an agreement > giving the homeowners association broad powers. They can ban whatever they > want. The AMA beat a ban in a Boston area park (Brockton) and a > restriction in Chicago recently, but no neighborhoods that I can recall. > > No, I remember it as being a subdivision. Yes, we DO sign an agreement in order to be in a homeowners association, but that doesnt give them carte blanche to pass "rules" without a majority vote. Thats why if you belong to a homeowners association, you should ALWAYS go to the meetings!! NEVER sit back complacently and foolishly trust those that DO attend to do whats best for you. My ol'man always goes to ours, and is quite vocal. As in all things, be watchful, careful and never trust anyone. Stay involved. It takes effort, but look what happens to your rights when you DONT take the time or want the bother or hastle. You get screwed. (not the nice way) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 17:18:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03071; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08847; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28295; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.64.126]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA2226; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:17:57 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: "jolie jones" Subject: Ducati ST2 ride report Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:15:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970925211756.AAA2226@default> Hey, y'all- I just got back from my friendly neighborhood Ducati emporium, Battley Cycles, after enjoying 65 miles of lovely riding on a new ST2. That's the sport tourer, a 1998 model, with watercooled 2-valve heads, 82 hp, fuel injection, a 916-like frame design, comfy seating, decent wind protection, and a bunch of 851 Superbike suspension. And I'm not gonna tell you if I liked it! Just kidding. I liked it. The extra power over the 900 SS was very noticeable, even though it had only 165 miles when I took it. Still lots of torque, and the injection really cleaned up the low speed behavior. A nice, tight, non-snatchy driveline, a firm, solid and accurate shifter, a smooth transmission, more wind protection than my 87 VFR, a tolerable seat, fairly roomy ergos made it quite comfy. My right hand fell asleep, so there's definitely more weight on it than either of my VFRs (87 current, 92 previous). The ride was quite nice until I got to some roads with lots of small bumps. I don't know if the bumps bothered the bike, but they sure bothered me. I could hardly keep a steady throttle. Big bumps were no big deal, but on the little ones it was very jiggly. I expect a bit of money spent at Lindemann will fix that. Handling and braking I hardly need to mention. No floating rotors (not even on 916s), but Brembo Gold series calipers, even better than 916. Curves? What curves? I realize any late model bike will impress me, since I ride a 10-year-old bike with 28000 miles, but this was better than the other bikes I've ridden lately. Super stable. Need to adjust your line? Go ahead. Hit a bump while doing so? Never notice. The lovely linear response from the MEZ4s makes it even better. I love those tires. Just lean over and go. I almost got my knee down. (that's a big deal for me) It was very easy to move around on to get the best cornering attitude. Gorgeous silver metallic paint (very metallic), also available in black metallic like Monsters. The styling didn't do a lot for me, especially from the front, but looking at myself reflected in the side of a minivan, it looked good. Restrained "Ducati" lettering in dark gray. The exhaust was a bit too quiet. They muffled all the soul. A couple more db would be nice, if they got a good note out of it. The water jackets kill a lot of the Ducati rattle; there's now enough to give character, not aggravation. I'll graduate from UMd in the spring. I'm registered on Battley's gift registry. All contributions welcome. If we generate more than the $12,500 sticker price, the extra will go to Lindemann, Feracci, and Corbin, in that order. Thank you for your help. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 17:27:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03153; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08907; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28470; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:26:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Fog Shield [was: Re: FW: no traffic? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:26:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > Mine will start to fog under the worst conditions > True. I do however ride truly under any condition. Well, over six inches of white stuff puts it on its stand. However, pushing a cage is not a better alternative. > If the Fog Shield fogs easily, then perhaps it wasn't installed > correctly > -- the adhesive has to secure the Fog Shield all the way around the > Shield. > I confess. After getting most of the glue of my hands and the faceshield unstuck from my left ear.. I did botch-up the installation. By the way, uninstalling was even more traumatic. Obviously some people have the knack. It just ain't me. > Also, if you wear eyeglasses, you can stop the faceshield from fogging > but > still your eyeglasses will fog. > Yup, they do that well. Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 18:44:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05088; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10118; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02276; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21139; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342B13C3.3B91@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:45:39 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Clark E. Dorman" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Winterizing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clark E. Dorman wrote: A real nice list of winterizing tasks save one: - Place a piece of cardboard/wood under your tires. This will never get as cold as plain concrete, which will affect your tires adversely... JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 20:27:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05921; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10733; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04263; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.35.91.152] (1Cust152.tnt5.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.91.152]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15349 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:27:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709251549.LAA15392@smtp1.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:29:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? > YES!! I LIKE that! :) Get that damn thing off my head and feel >free for a change! 'cept on the highway. Ill still wear it there. >Helps to block some of the wind in my ears. Well, actually, the >helmet keeps the headphones on my ears tight, and THAT blocks the >wind so's I can hear my music better. > >Squeakers >squeakers@XXXXXX >http://www.erols.com/squeakers You frighten me. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 25 20:50:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06086; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10928; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04681; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.35.91.152] (1Cust31.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.31]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26195; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:49:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709252045.QAA04802@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:51:05 -0400 To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Re[2]: Loud pipes save lives? >> I don't think any subdivision bike bans have been beaten. The subdivision >> (in these cases) is private property and the residents sign an agreement >> giving the homeowners association broad powers. They can ban whatever they >> want. The AMA beat a ban in a Boston area park (Brockton) and a >> restriction in Chicago recently, but no neighborhoods that I can recall. >> >> > > No, I remember it as being a subdivision. Yes, we DO sign an >agreement in order to be in a homeowners association, but that doesnt >give them carte blanche to pass "rules" without a majority vote. >Thats why if you belong to a homeowners association, you should >ALWAYS go to the meetings!! NEVER sit back complacently and foolishly >trust those that DO attend to do whats best for you. My ol'man always >goes to ours, and is quite vocal. As in all things, be watchful, >careful and never trust anyone. Stay involved. It takes effort, but >look what happens to your rights when you DONT take the time or want >the bother or hastle. You get screwed. (not the nice way) > >Squeakers Uh Oh. I agreed with Squeakers. True Story: a friend lives in a condo in Gaithersburg. He owns a mini-pickup which is his only cage. Don't ask about the bikes - they fill the garage. He's lived in this condo for 5 or 6 years, and this year, some dickhead on the board decided to crack down on the vehicles visible on the street. Said condo has an ordinance against pickem'ups, which were pretty strictly blue collar and/or redneck vehicles when the condo rules were written in the early 70s. The condo association has had his truck towed 4 times, to the tune of $125 each time. He now parks the truck at the public school a 1/4 mile from his home. Just to piss everyone off, he periodically borrows a friends '81 Ford van, which has been crashed, patched, rusted, patched again, and painted flat black with a brush. It is possibly the ugliest vehicle I have ever seen, but it isn't against the rules! Too many rules are a bad thing. Natural selection is the way to go. Do something stupid and die, you're doing the human race a favor. Stupid people should never be allowed to make the rules. Of course, the definition of a stupid person is anyone who disagrees with me. Like Squeakers said, stay involved. I'm saying that not only is it your right to be involved, but it's your obligation and duty! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 26 03:29:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10326; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA19457; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 02:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA11218; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 02:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA06865; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 02:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (dialup4.illuminet.net [205.215.55.4]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00864 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:09:35 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970926010944.0067bb4c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:09:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Colder weather riding/winterizing >1) When I ride, my hands/feet/neck seem to get cold the fastest - anyone have >any recommendations on what to look for to keep it cozy when riding? (I've >heard of the electric gloves/vests, are they worth it (How do they work?) I don't remember where I heard it, but it's the absolute Honest-to-God truth - Electric clothes are like sex; once you've tried it, none of the substitutes are acceptable. Leon. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 26 03:29:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10328; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18480; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10722; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA03294; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:29:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:25:49 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ducati ST2 ride report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19970925211756.AAA2226@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, kevin thomas wrote: > Hey, y'all- > I just got back from my friendly neighborhood Ducati emporium, Battley > Cycles (snip) How's your eyesight after looking at that green T509?That color,on a motorcycle,should be illegal! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 26 03:30:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10356; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17994; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09295; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.66.249]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA14937 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:17:05 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: subdivisions Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:15:03 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970926041703.AAA14937@default> Hey, y'all- I live in a subdivision where pickups aren't allowed, but they don't enforce the rule. I bet when they saw mine, they wanted to. Asphalt driveways and big decorative columns or whatever you call those stupid looking things folks build at the end of their driveways aren't allowed either. The former president of the H.O.A. has both. I suppose they could ban bikes, but I don't know what they'd have to go thru to amend the covenant my parents signed when they bought the house. I don't think it's an issue. As long as Squeakers doesn't move here..... The rest of us seem to have relatively quiet bikes. I recall, in the truck department, a guy who, in the 70's, drove one of those GMC motorhomes, the real fancy ones with the 455 and front wheel drive. Anyway, he drove this thing to work every day. I swear. They told him he couldn't park it in the driveway; it was in the covenant he signed: no motorhomes. He moved. The next neighborhood doesn't allow tv antennas on the roof. I sold my truck (after I painted it; it looks nice now) to a guy who lives there. It's not allowed either, but he put a cap on it to conform to the letter of the law: no open bed trucks. Of course, the cap is a beverly hillbillies looking piece of crap that would have looked more at home when the truck was 3 different colors and had no bumpers or grille. Or hubcaps. I don't think they'll hassle him regardless. We can't run businesses out of our homes. As long as you don't have a sign and a parking lot nobody cares. My neighbor around the corner has a landscaping business. He has 4 trucks, at least one trailer, and some employees. He had his trucks at home, the trailer on my street, and his employees parked there during the day. He was asked to stop. Now he has one truck at home and keeps the rest elsewhere. I'm not saying this is all good. I'm saying we sign a paper sometimes agreeing to things like this. All this stuff was in the contracts when we bought the houses. If we don't like it, don't buy the house. Absolutely get involved. I'm sure if they banned bikes in my neighborhood (if they can do that), I wouldn't know until somebody came to make me take it away. They can't prevent me from entering because the roads here are public, but they can sue me. If the roads were private, I'd be s.o.l. I don't think they can tow somebody's truck, but the contract says they can't have one, so if the H.O.A. sued, they'd have to sell it or move out under court order, plus probably pay the H.O.A.'s legal bills. My sister's H.O.A. tells her what color and what brand of paint to use on her townhouse's exterior. It's in the contract. And they can make her paint the place if they think it looks shabby. Read the contract. Get involved. And remember, it could be you next. That's all I have to say about that. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 26 03:30:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10359; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16789; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08934; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA24945; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:05:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:05:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "John C. Kozyn" cc: "Clark E. Dorman" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Winterizing In-Reply-To: <342B13C3.3B91@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (1) Why won't the wood or cardboard be at the same temperature as the concrete? (2) What will affect the tires adversely, cold or concrete? Why? --garcia On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, John C. Kozyn wrote: > Clark E. Dorman wrote: > > A real nice list of winterizing tasks save one: > > - Place a piece of cardboard/wood under your tires. This will never get > as cold as plain concrete, which will affect your tires adversely... > > JK > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 26 03:30:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10362; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16746; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08853; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA23577; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:57:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:57:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Todd B Peer cc: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <19970925164859.AAA579@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whoa! Deep breath, count to three....repeat as needed. What set you off on this guy? He's no worse than the other zillion stuck on the flypaper. In any case, snapping at him isn't going to get him off any faster, no? Since there are so many, maybe an engineering solution is in order: make it (even) easier to get off the list. --garcia "The problem with making it idiot-proof is that someone will quickly invent a better idiot." On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > > >> > >> >While it is sometimes amusing reading about the motorcycle travels on > >> >the east coast it doesn't do me much good on the left coast. > >> > > >> >Unsubscribe > >> > > >> >Casper1 > >> > >> Well with that attitude you are bound to be amused for as long > >> as you haven't figured out how to leave. Just do what you did > >> to get on the list, backwards ;^) > >> > >> Todd > > > > > >Todd, > > > >I would, except I don't know what my son did to get us on this mailing > >list. Maybe you can recommend a good manual on how to remove yourself > >from unwanted email lists. > > > > Yup. Definitely an attitude problem. You should've just explained > to the list that 'your son' got you stuck in the first place. Now I'm > _definitely_ not gonna help you...jerk. > > >By the way the weather is beautiful out here. > > btw, I don't care. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 26 03:30:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10366; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16706; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08817; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-6.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.47]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA12853 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:45:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199709260345.XAA12853@thehub.knight-hub.com> From: "mobacc" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Cold Hands/hippo hands Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:43:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A first MC winter has me checking comfortables also -- to pass on from my week ago phoning: Herndon Cycle Sport says they have Polar Hands at $45; Cycles USA says they have Hippo Hands at $55; Chaparral has Polar Hands. They also promote Tour Master Gloves in a Bag ($35) which seem *very* lookable -- leather gloves with a nylon mitten which rides in a little pouch ready to be wrapped over the gloves in rain/cold -- velcro secured. My winter experience is that shell-type wind/moisture protection goes a long way. Anyone used these? Options from winter bicycling, windsurfing are also competing. Going to be a fun winter. Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 Downtown DC ---------- > From: Kirk Roy > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Cold Hands/hippo hands > Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 12:05 PM > > X400-MTS-identifier: [;11502152907991/1988099@FDACD] > A1-type: MAIL > Hop-count: 1 > > >These things are not for the meek. They look like someone has placed > >wings on your bike. You can no longer see your controls, nor easily move > >your hands around. Not a good idea for a DC commute, but if you are on > >the open road... > > They really aren't that bad for commuting, once you get used to them. I can > get my hands in and out plenty quickly since they're stiff enough that they > don't move around. > > >I do not believe they are sold anymore. :-( I think I have seen a > >version that are cloth in nature that in stores and catalogs, but they do > >not stop the wind like vinyl does. > > I've got some that are made out of nylon or somesuch and are lined. They > have velcro rather than the old clamp and frame set-up of the Hippo Hands. > They block the wind just fine. As a bonus, they are sufficiently water > resistant that rain gloves are superfluous. > > I think they were something like $35 locally. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:19:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07210; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04549; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19835; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCCCB3.26413070@XXXXXX>; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Leon Begeman'" Subject: RE: Winterizing Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:39:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT BTW, this is a myth of lead acid batteries. I have a car battery FAQ that I got off the Toyota list a year or so ago. Whoever made this thing was a super battery geek. If you would like me to forward it to you just say so. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >---------- > >Concrete destroys batteries too, but that's another thread. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:22:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07223; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04415; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19495; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA18807 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:13:44 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma018772; Mon, 29 Sep 97 08:13:33 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA05059 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA875535073; Mon, 29 Sep 97 08:11:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9709298755.AA875535073@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 08:08:36 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: vintage sportscars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was a great event. I was up there Fri-Sun for all the events - including, the vintage tractor races. Yes, they did race the tractors talked about below. As for the rest, Kevin pretty much got the bulk of the cars - Umm.. yup, Ari Lyendik's (SP?) 93 Indy car was at the track and racing... till he spun in turn 7 (right in front of me) - was still a sight to behold.. an indy car followed by a GT40 Ferrari - yummy. Was a great weeweekend. don't forget, this coming weekend is the last CCS motorcycle race in the area for this year - plans to be well attended and an overall great time. In case anyone else is interested, the following weekend (11-12) is a Ferrari club of America get-together at summit point as well - in case anyone's interested in coming out to watch, or even help out. Ride safe all... Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX ---------reply--------- Hey, y'all- You're missing some good stuff! This race is much bigger than the one in the spring, and has better cars. Also a Shelby meet in conjunction. Attendees include tons of GT350s, a couple of GT500s, some Cobras, a _Cobra Daytona Coupe_ (never seen one before), a few Tigers, lots of Corvettes, 2 Lister Corvettes, 2 Lister Jaguars, some smaller Listers, a couple of Ferarris, Jaguars, Aston Martins, Allards, a Kurtiss, a 68 Firebird (302), plenty of smaller British, Japanese and Italian cars, open and closed wheel, incl Formula 1 and maybe an Indy car. Seen in the parking lot: Ferarri F40 and more of the cars above, plus some old Triumph motorcycles. Also lots of old tractors (?)((not racing)). Fantastic weather. I may go back tomorrow if I can get a few dry hours. I have a spare ticket if somebody wants to go. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:32:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07412; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25629; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia4w.prodigy.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12914; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia4w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29676 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:51:07 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA90476 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:51:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199709290251.WAA90476@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae02dm02sc06 From: CDJV17A@XXXXXX (MR MIKE MUTH) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:51:06, -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sportster for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -- [ From: Mike Muth * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- For Sale: 1996 Sportster 883 Hugger, extended warranty(2 1/2 years left) , Progressive suspension(forks/shocks), Carb/Pipes/Hi-Flow air filter, Mustang Wide Nostolgic Touring Dual saddle, Touring saddlebags, National CustomHeavy Duty Windscreen, Sissy Bar/Pad, Tank bib, Tach...garage kept and covered(Exigent cover), 9,000 miles, Platinum Silver/Black, Mag wheels, more chrome bolt covers, and other covers than you can shake a stick at. New FLH due to arrive soon and am using as a trade, but will let go for $7200 real quick. Bike has never been run hard and sounds great... Mike-in Southern Maryland. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:34:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07434; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26007; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13510; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA20147; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:28:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:24:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ducati ST2 ride report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01IO6D77X40690SV34@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, George Howell wrote: > > How's your eyesight after looking at that green T509?That color,on a > >motorcycle,should be illegal! ;-) > For me, it was a case of love at first sight. Ick. Maybe if you replaced the 'Triumph' decal with a 'Mountain Dew' one. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:34:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07438; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25440; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout32.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12430; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout32.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA23390 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970928215837_-194957829@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bikes for Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.841.emout07.mail.aol.com.875498317" --PART.BOUNDARY.0.841.emout07.mail.aol.com.875498317 Content-ID: <0_841_875498317@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain --------------------- Forwarded message: From: lvarouxis@XXXXXX (Lisa G. Varouxi) To: lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Date: 97-09-26 09:52:04 EDT FOR SALE: 1987 Sportster 883 12,000 miles drag pipes black cherry great condition $4400/obo call Mike (301) 662-8650 1991 Sportster 883 with 1200 kit 10,000 miles runs great $5800/obo (301) 682-4320 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.841.emout07.mail.aol.com.875498317 Content-ID: <0_841_875498317@XXXXXX> Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="WINMAIL.DAT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IkQdAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5N aWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQAVAAAAU3R1ZmYgZm9yIE5ld3NsZXR0ZXIAvAcB BYADAA4AAADNBwkAGgAIABwAOQAFAFkBASCAAwAOAAAAzQcJABoACAAaABMABQAxAQEJgAEA IQAAADI4MjUxMjI0NDQzNkQxMTFBOEE5MDgwMDA5QkI1RTM0AMsGAQOQBgCsAgAAEwAAAAsA IwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMANgAAAAAAQAA5AEBnbcJ3yrwBHgBwAAEAAAAVAAAA U3R1ZmYgZm9yIE5ld3NsZXR0ZXIAAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbzKd8JUJBIlMTZEEdGoqQgA CbteNAAAHgAeDAEAAAADAAAATVMAAB4AHwwBAAAAFQAAAEZUU1BST0QvcHNtYWlsL2xpc2F2 AAAAAAMABhBnSBejAwAHEKgAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABGT1JTQUxFOjE5ODdTUE9SVFNURVI4 ODMxMiwwMDBNSUxFU0RSQUdQSVBFU0JMQUNLQ0hFUlJZR1JFQVRDT05ESVRJT04kNDQwMC9P Qk9DQUxMTUlLRSgzMDEpNjYyLTg2NTAxAAAAAAIBCRABAAAALQEAACkBAADJAQAATFpGdZZd ZN3/AAoBDwIVAqQD5AXrAoMAUBMDVAIAY2gKwHNldG4yBgAGwwKDMgPFAgBw3HJxEiAHEwKA fQqACM/FCdk7FSkxMjgKIxcBDwKACoENsQtgbmcxMKwzMwr7EvIyEvBjAEAQIEZPUgYAQUxF hjoKhQqFMTk4NwYAEnAU0XN0BJAgODhEMyAbkDIsMB0QIAZtAxAHkSBkcmFnPCBwBSAdggJg ANBrILMRsASQcnkcwAnBYQVAwQWgbmRpdGkCIBzAyCQ0NB0QL28G4BzABmMHQAMgTWlrZSAA KDMwMSkgNjZgMi04NjUKdhs3OWcaEBv8A/B0aBzRHSFryyAAHMEwHQpydQYxH2RZIGA1OCCm IcU4IkA0LjMB0AqFFFEAKYAAAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERAAAAAAQAAHMKDRb2R3yrwBQAAIMKDR b2R3yrwBHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAAMADTT9NwAALJo= --PART.BOUNDARY.0.841.emout07.mail.aol.com.875498317-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:34:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07450; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18341; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05423; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.99] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.99]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IO6D712W3K90SV34@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:45:32 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:45:12 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Ducati ST2 ride report To: "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IO6D77X40690SV34@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > How's your eyesight after looking at that green T509?That color,on a >motorcycle,should be illegal! ;-) For me, it was a case of love at first sight. -George ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..georgehowell@XXXXXX..| | http://people.delphi.com/~georgehowell | *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:36:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07532; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15182; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28017; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA04461 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970927221417_354055083@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mechanic Hey folks -- Can anybody recommend a good Honda mechanic either in NW DC (where I live) or near Herndon/Reston (where I work)? Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:36:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07538; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15231; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28083; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.67.99]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA22819; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:23:28 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: Subject: vintage sportscars Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:21:16 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970928022326.AAA22819@default> Hey, y'all- You're missing some good stuff! This race is much bigger than the one in the spring, and has better cars. Also a Shelby meet in conjunction. Attendees include tons of GT350s, a couple of GT500s, some Cobras, a _Cobra Daytona Coupe_ (never seen one before), a few Tigers, lots of Corvettes, 2 Lister Corvettes, 2 Lister Jaguars, some smaller Listers, a couple of Ferarris, Jaguars, Aston Martins, Allards, a Kurtiss, a 68 Firebird (302), plenty of smaller British, Japanese and Italian cars, open and closed wheel, incl Formula 1 and maybe an Indy car. Seen in the parking lot: Ferarri F40 and more of the cars above, plus some old Triumph motorcycles. Also lots of old tractors (?)((not racing)). Fantastic weather. I may go back tomorrow if I can get a few dry hours. I have a spare ticket if somebody wants to go. Later Kevin PS- obligatory motorcycle reference--I put air in my forks for the 1st time. I was reluctant because the seals look weak, but my friend was on the back (his Harley is still apart in my garage) and I really wanted to try it. Wow! I should have done that months ago! PPS-- Lister is a British company that builds frames and bodies for other brands of engines. I don't mean the cars belonged to dc-cycles listers! He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:36:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07561; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14852; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.worldbank.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26978; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01IO5F3TC51U8WZC7U@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:29:15 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.1.03 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:26:44 -0400 From: "Perry D. Coleman" Subject: Re: Winterizing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256520.00020C40.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (436.3 7-23-1997)) id 85256520.0002E62B ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:31:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK Speaking of "winterizing" and tires, don't forget to replace that nasty, old summer air with fresh, clean winter air in all of your tires. I'm running a special right now on this important seasonal maintenance. $40.00/pair motorcycle tires $60.00/pair for automobile tires. Large truck and speciality tires extra. Quantity discounts available. Ride-ins or appointments. Perry ;^) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:36:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07566; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14966; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27245; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id VAA10920; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:06:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:06:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Perry D. Coleman" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winterizing In-Reply-To: <85256520.00020C40.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm...are you, by any chance, associated with Coleman Powersport? On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, Perry D. Coleman wrote: > (436.3 7-23-1997)) id 85256520.0002E62B ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:31:39 -0400 > X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK > > Speaking of "winterizing" and tires, don't forget to replace that nasty, > old summer air with fresh, clean winter air in all of your tires. I'm > running a special right now on this important seasonal maintenance. > > $40.00/pair motorcycle tires > $60.00/pair for automobile tires. > Large truck and speciality tires extra. > Quantity discounts available. > Ride-ins or appointments. > > Perry ;^) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:36:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07595; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14393; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mm1 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24765; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from student11 ([209.49.235.59]) by mm1.sprynet.com with ESMTP id <148188-29305>; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:42:56 -0700 From: "Michael Dow" To: Subject: MC Shipping Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:45:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97Sep27.134256-0700pdt.148188-29305+1516@mm1.sprynet.com> *Major De-lurk* I know this thread comes up every so often, but does anyone know of or have any experience with companies that ship bikes? It's looking like I'm going to be working in Tampa for the next few months, and want to have my ride shipped down from Arlington. Any info (companies, cost, etc.) would be appreciated. -Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07639; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11431; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18784; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:36:44 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA22630 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970927083613_1064483473@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: subdivisions In a message dated 97-09-26 10:08:10 EDT, Phil Simerly writes: << In the sub I live there is a rule for no commercial trucks (considered commercial if it has writing on it). If they were to pass a rule for no bike I'd move. >> As I read about what some of you folks deal with in your subdivisions, I'm realizing that the hassles of life in the District aren't so bad! Same BS level, different kind of BS, I guess. No worry about bikes being banned in my neighborhood... just that the potholes might get too big to navigate around. --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07642; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06584; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06611; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s57.erols.com [207.172.110.57]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA30494; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:04:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199709262104.RAA30494@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:07:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Midnight Madness @ MIR Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > From: > To: > Subject: RE: Midnight Madness @ MIR > Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:24:09 -0400 > Are stereo headphones considered safety equipment? =:-o > > Horkster > Only if they have those thingys on them that let you adjust the volume on the headphone wire. you know, so you dont have to open your walkman holder and play with the volume knob while you're riding. Its not always nice to play with knob thingys while you're riding. My old man never complained about it while I was riding with him, but even so... Ive heard it can be distracting. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07646; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06369; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06298; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA03452; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:03:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Todd B Peer cc: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <19970926135430.AAA12093@localHost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > > Well, maybe I did go off. And I blame the poor way mail exchange allows > for expression. But I was under the impression from 'casper1's post > that we were obligated somehow to help him. I don't have a problem > letting people know how to remove themselves from the list, but the > guy came across like a west coast snot. > > Then he writes back to me suggesting I remove myself from a list he > doesn't want on; one he blames his son for getting him on. Then he > mentions how lovely his caly coast weather is in an apparent attempt > to rub my nose in it. F-him. > > Does that help? > > Todd Yes; but I read (interpreted) his stuff differently. Specifically, I took "yourself" to mean "oneself", i.e. HIM, when he said, "Maybe you can recommend a good manual on how to remove yourself from unwanted email lists." Could be that I'm wrong (rare, but possible), but I think this was just a misunderstanding. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07652; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04857; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03022; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 42c0a1c0; Fri, 26 Sep 97 15:16:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:08:51 -0400 Message-ID: <42c0a1c0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Leons Chrome Bidness To: dc-cycles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part You do chrome? could you do me a chrome lower fairing for my Gpz 1100? -Mb No wait! I want a chrome helmet! Just like Ultraman! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07655; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03341; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29366; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id OAB192.98; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:23:20 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970926141632.00a69830@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:16:32 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: subdivisions In-Reply-To: <01BCCA61.FF77A1C0@rebel.gtsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:04 AM 9/26/97 -0400, Phil Simerly wrote: >In the sub I live there is a rule for no commercial trucks (considered commercial if it has writing on it). >If they were to pass a rule for no bike I'd move. Why wouldn't you fight it? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07658; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03267; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28898; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-205.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.205]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA17447 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: <342BFBF3.49FE4B6D@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:16:20 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: FW: Winterizing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Amit Chatterjie wrote: > > can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? > I replied > this could be a bigger aftermarket segment than chrome) then Morris Berman wrote: >You do chrome? could you do me a chrome lower fairing for my Gpz 1100? No, I don't do chrome, but I'm thinking about doing cardboard . . . How about a cardboard lower fairing, with some chrome paint on it? :-) Amit could probably get you some cardboard tires to match. I'll guarantee the fairing to last at least as long as Amit's cardboard tires. How about it Amit, do you think we can fix Morris' bike up? Leon (in business selling soft, natural, organic, chemical-free, hypo-allergenic, healthy, fresh-from-the-farm, dew-kissed cardboard.motorcycle parts since this morning) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07662; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03351; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geni34.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29378; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by geni34.arl.mil (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29274; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:24:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:21:06 +0000 (edt) From: Morris Berman To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: FW: Winterizing In-Reply-To: <342BFBF3.49FE4B6D@illuminet.net> Message-Id: X-X-Sender: morris@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You say the tires would turn soft and mush...sounds like seat material to me also! On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Leon Begeman wrote: > > Amit Chatterjie wrote: > > > can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? > > > I replied > > this could be a bigger aftermarket segment than chrome) > > then Morris Berman wrote: > >You do chrome? could you do me a chrome lower fairing for my Gpz 1100? > > No, I don't do chrome, but I'm thinking about doing cardboard . . . > > How about a cardboard lower fairing, with some chrome paint on it? :-) > Amit could probably get you some cardboard tires to match. I'll guarantee the > fairing to last at least as long as Amit's cardboard tires. > > How about it Amit, do you think we can fix Morris' bike up? > > Leon (in business selling soft, natural, organic, chemical-free, hypo-allergenic, > healthy, fresh-from-the-farm, dew-kissed cardboard.motorcycle parts since this > morning) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07667; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04261; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00650; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:42:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: FW: Winterizing Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:42:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > > Amit Chatterjie wrote: > > > can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? > > Leon replied > > this could be a bigger aftermarket segment than chrome) > > then Morris Berman wrote: > >You do chrome? could you do me a chrome lower fairing for my Gpz > 1100? > Leon replied > No, I don't do chrome, but I'm thinking about doing cardboard . . . > > How about a cardboard lower fairing, with some chrome paint on it? :-) > Amit could probably get you some cardboard tires to match. I'll > guarantee the > fairing to last at least as long as Amit's cardboard tires. > > How about it Amit, do you think we can fix Morris' bike up? > > Leon (in business selling soft, natural, organic, chemical-free, > hypo-allergenic, > healthy, fresh-from-the-farm, dew-kissed cardboard.motorcycle parts > since this > morning) > > > Amit Chatterjie wrote: > Sure, tell him to check out our web page at: > soft, natural, organic, chemical-free, hypo-allergenic, > healthy, fresh-from-the-farm, dew-kissed cardboard.motorcycle > parts.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07671; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02301; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26489; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCCA7F.793DC580@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:24:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Midnight Madness @ MIR Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:24:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT Are stereo headphones considered safety equipment? =:-o Horkster ----------------------------- > items then you can race on Friday night. As far as safety equipment goes > > you must have a leather jacket, shoes above ankle, long pants, and > > leather gloves. If you go quicker than 10.99 then you will need > leather > > pants and a kill switch also. > Look Squeakers!!! Your chance to go w/out a helmet! :-) Later, chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07674; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02393; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26947; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-205.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.205]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA16631 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: <342BF242.5678845C@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:34:58 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: FW: Winterizing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amit Chatterjie wrote: > can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? 1) Sure, how much monopoly money do they cost?2) If these are tires that were supposed to fit your CB1000, then they'll need to be modified to fit my Ninja 250. Are you going to cut them to size or do I have to do it? I might have to get a bigger scissors to balance them properly. 3) Should I use Elmer's glue or shipping tape when I get the size right? 4) Do you have cardboard batteries too? With enough cardboard parts, I could put as many miles on my bike over the winter as the guys who asked the original questions about winterizing. (-: Leon. (thinking about going into business, once I get the templates figured out, this could be a bigger aftermarket segment than chrome) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07683; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02975; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28076; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:02:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: FW: Winterizing Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:02:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > ---------- > From: Leon Begeman[SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 1:34 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: FW: Winterizing > > Amit Chatterjie wrote: > > > can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? > > 1) Sure, how much monopoly money do they cost?2) If these are tires > that > were supposed to fit your CB1000, then they'll need to be modified to > fit my > Ninja 250. > Simple, just add water. > Are you going to cut them to size or do I have to do it? > Let them sit on concrete awhile. > 4) Do you have cardboard batteries too? > Yeah, but their real pricey. > With enough cardboard parts, I could put as many miles on my bike over > the > winter as the guys who asked the original questions about winterizing. > (-: > Just be weary of riding in the rain. :) > Leon. (thinking about going into business, once I get the templates > figured > out, this could be a bigger aftermarket segment than chrome) > You might want to do some market research before making any major investment. Just a thought. Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07678; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02875; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27821; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA26040 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:58:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199709261758.AA26040@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:58:34 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:58:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:44:09 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Winterizing To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12dflE000016p ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME > I don't know, Amit. > > I've been Leon's garage, even the moped shows signs of > considerable wear on the tires! *wink* > > Horkster > ...you've been a garage? Isn't that an HOA violation? ;-) -aki > ---------- > From: Amit Chatterjie[SMTP:achatterjie@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 12:21 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: FW: Winterizing > > > It's always the ones > > in the garage that get their tires worn smooth, the ones I keep in the > > shed > > with a wood floor, never get any additional tire wear. > > > > Tire satire by Leon. > > > It sounds like somebody is using your tires in the garage and has got > you fooled into thinking this is some kind of chemical reaction.....by > the way, can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? > > Tire counter satire by Amit. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07687; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03006; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28193; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA26265 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:03:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199709261803.AA26265@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:03:47 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:03:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:01:08 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: FW: Winterizing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <342BF242.5678845C@illuminet.net> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12dfCr00001Bj ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ...only problem is when it rains...you'll have to carry around a HUGE ziplock bag...or you'll end up having the biggest high performance mound of mush you've ever seen! ;-) sayyyy...I could open up an accessory shop selling custom made ziplock bags....$$$$$... cheers, -aki > Amit Chatterjie wrote: > > > can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? > > 1) Sure, how much monopoly money do they cost?2) If these are tires that > were supposed to fit your CB1000, then they'll need to be modified to fit my > Ninja 250. Are you going to cut them to size or do I have to do it? I > might have to get a bigger scissors to balance them properly. > 3) Should I use Elmer's glue or shipping tape when I get the size right? > 4) Do you have cardboard batteries too? > > With enough cardboard parts, I could put as many miles on my bike over the > winter as the guys who asked the original questions about winterizing. (-: > > Leon. (thinking about going into business, once I get the templates figured > out, this could be a bigger aftermarket segment than chrome) > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07690; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02947; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27954; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCCA84.42FB98D0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:58:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Winterizing Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:58:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 44 TEXT Apparently, you've never seen Horkster - He has been a garage. Now he's just a shed. ---------- From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 1:44 PM To: Horstman, Dale R @ MAN Cc: Horstman, Tracy L @ MAN; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winterizing > I don't know, Amit. > > I've been Leon's garage, even the moped shows signs of > considerable wear on the tires! *wink* > > Horkster > ...you've been a garage? Isn't that an HOA violation? ;-) -aki > ---------- > From: Amit Chatterjie[SMTP:achatterjie@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 12:21 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: FW: Winterizing > > > It's always the ones > > in the garage that get their tires worn smooth, the ones I keep in the > > shed > > with a wood floor, never get any additional tire wear. > > > > Tire satire by Leon. > > > It sounds like somebody is using your tires in the garage and has got > you fooled into thinking this is some kind of chemical reaction.....by > the way, can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? > > Tire counter satire by Amit. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07693; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02532; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geni34.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27240; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by geni34.arl.mil (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29261; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:42:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:39:39 +0000 (edt) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: FW: Winterizing In-Reply-To: <342BF242.5678845C@illuminet.net> Message-Id: X-X-Sender: morris@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You do chrome? could you do me a chrome lower fairing for my Gpz 1100? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Leon Begeman wrote: > Amit Chatterjie wrote: > > > can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? > > 1) Sure, how much monopoly money do they cost?2) If these are tires that > were supposed to fit your CB1000, then they'll need to be modified to fit my > Ninja 250. Are you going to cut them to size or do I have to do it? I > might have to get a bigger scissors to balance them properly. > 3) Should I use Elmer's glue or shipping tape when I get the size right? > 4) Do you have cardboard batteries too? > > With enough cardboard parts, I could put as many miles on my bike over the > winter as the guys who asked the original questions about winterizing. (-: > > Leon. (thinking about going into business, once I get the templates figured > out, this could be a bigger aftermarket segment than chrome) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07697; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02705; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27479; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:49:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Loud pipes save lives? Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:49:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Loud pipes are fun to hear, I used to have them in Europe where everybody drives with their windows rolled down. But the truth of the matter is the vehicles that usually cut you off are either the elderly individuals in their hermetically & acoustically sealed luxury cars or the individuals with their "stereo" turned up just a tad. I mean the ones that create vibrations that attack the bladder. Then there are the "mentally disassociated" drivers as well. Unfortunately loud pipes in residential areas do pose a problem. They only attract teeth baring dogs & wake up sick babies. The only real way to avoid incidence is awareness and experience. The rest is fun, but futile. Amit CBR1000 PS. By the way, (in winter when I have my steel shanks on) I use door kicking when they come into my lane. That way they think they have hit you. That's when you notice a reaction from them. > ---------- > From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Reply To: squeakers@XXXXXX > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 1997 7:04 AM > To: tjoseph@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Loud pipes save lives? > > I see. So, all those times that Im in my cage, and hear a Harley > cumin up behind me, Im not actually hearing them? So, all those times > Ive searched for where they are I was only imagining that I heard > them? Every time I see people on the passenger side of cars breakin > their necks to look out the window BEHIND them to see ME when *Im* > cumin up on MY loud bike, they aint REALLY lookin for me? It was > sumthin ELSE they heard? When Im cumin up on a cage, and I can see > the driver lookin in HIS rear view mirror to find ME, its just > what... a normal reflex? > Give it a rest. Loud pipes DO attract > attention. They DO look to see where you are. Whether you're cumin up > behind them, or are in front of them, they DO hear you. That doesnt > mean they're gonna be any less the morons many of them are, and > actually try to not run you down, but they will at least have noticed > you before they do it. > > Squeakers > squeakers@XXXXXX > http://www.erols.com/squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07703; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00663; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22575; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:07:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Re[2]: FW: no traffic? Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:07:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > they > make actual shields with their fog stuff on it... buy that. > > Brian Mccoy > > Now that makes sense. Hey, do they pay you for this? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07707; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00713; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22593; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.73.66]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA7949; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:08:13 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd B Peer" Cc: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:06:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970926160811.AAA7949@default> Todd- I'd expect by his use of "yourself", he didn't mean you, he meant "oneself", as in himself. OTOH, I wasn't there and I don't really care. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07710; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01573; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23111; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:21:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Winterizing Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:21:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > It's always the ones > in the garage that get their tires worn smooth, the ones I keep in the > shed > with a wood floor, never get any additional tire wear. > > Tire satire by Leon. > It sounds like somebody is using your tires in the garage and has got you fooled into thinking this is some kind of chemical reaction.....by the way, can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? Tire counter satire by Amit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07715; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02132; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25790; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCCA7D.4B97E5E0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Winterizing Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:08:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 26 TEXT I don't know, Amit. I've been Leon's garage, even the moped shows signs of considerable wear on the tires! *wink* Horkster ---------- From: Amit Chatterjie[SMTP:achatterjie@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 12:21 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: FW: Winterizing > It's always the ones > in the garage that get their tires worn smooth, the ones I keep in the > shed > with a wood floor, never get any additional tire wear. > > Tire satire by Leon. > It sounds like somebody is using your tires in the garage and has got you fooled into thinking this is some kind of chemical reaction.....by the way, can I sell you some tires made from cardboard? Tire counter satire by Amit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07719; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00906; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smartwall.gtsi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22819; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smartwall.gtsi.com; id NAA21466; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hq.gtsi.com(192.254.16.1) by smartwall.gtsi.com via smap (V3.1) id xma021427; Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:08:48 -0400 Received: from rebel.gtsi.com ([192.254.16.7]) by hq.gtsi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16892; Fri, 26 Sep 97 12:31:24 EDT Received: by rebel.gtsi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCCA75.33B02EE0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:10:38 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCCA75.33B02EE0@rebel.gtsi.com> From: Phil Simerly To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: subdivisions Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:21:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't think this is the place for this but all my mail is forwarded to me and can't see your email address. I work in the Programs group in a computer test lab. Reading contracts and bids and testing the hardware and software on them to make sure it does what we said it would or what they specified. I am what you'd call labius a' ratus. In lay terms that's a Lab Rat. ---------- From: Robert Johnston Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 10:26:44 AM To: Phil Simerly Subject: RE: subdivisions Auto forwarded by a Rule I'm on the DC-Cycles List, What do you do for GTSI, and would you like to move? I'm hiring. -----Original Message----- From: Phil Simerly [SMTP:pls@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 10:04 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: subdivisions In the sub I live there is a rule for no commercial trucks (considered commercial if it has writing on it). If they were to pass a rule for no bike I'd move. Phil Simerly - Working for the company formally known as Government Technology Services, INC. Phone 703/502-2419 - Fax 703/222-5208 - e-mail pls@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07727; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00635; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22556; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.73.66]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA6202; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:06:07 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Brian McCoy" , Subject: Re: Re[2]: fog city Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:04:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970926160605.AAA6202@default> Brian- I got my fog shield for my Quantum/s at Cycles USA. I expect everybody has them. As for the Shoei, I don't have an X9, so maybe not. So what's up with your VF? Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07722; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29078; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19971; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 42bcca90; Fri, 26 Sep 97 10:54:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: <42bcca90@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Arai vs. Fog City To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The FOG CITY Adhesive shield WILL fit onto an Arai with vents. I have done it, and will gladly show how for anyone interested. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07731; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29871; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21338; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-205.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.205]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA14373 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: <342BD743.17DDB0F4@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:39:47 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: FW: no traffic? References: <9709268752.AA875266771@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > You've had a shield wear out? You must really torture those things... I have to replace the face shield on my Shoei RF200 every 10,000 miles or so, the ratchets that hold it up wear to the point that it won't stay in place when riding at speed. I usually just buy a new face shield (and ratchet kit) in the fall and use additional glue to attach the Fog City fog shield to it. Then in the spring, the whole mess just gets replaced. If air can get between the fog city shield and the face shield, both will fog up. I'd like a cheaper method, but at least the FogCity shield works. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07736; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00619; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22553; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA26325 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:05:46 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA34645639F3@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Bergie Frazier Jr'" Subject: RE: Midnight Madness @ MIR Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:05:38 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Bergie Frazier Jr[SMTP:bergie@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 11:45 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Midnight Madness @ MIR > --snip-- > items then you can race on Friday night. As far as safety equipment goes > > you must have a leather jacket, shoes above ankle, long pants, and > > leather gloves. If you go quicker than 10.99 then you will need > leather > > pants and a kill switch also. > Look Squeakers!!! Your chance to go w/out a helmet! :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07740; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29947; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21578; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Bergie ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08863 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:45:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199709261545.LAA08863@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Midnight Madness @ MIR Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:45:12 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a response I received from the tech people at Maryland International Raceway regarding the use of your street cycle at the 1/4 mile track. Every Friday night they hold a "Midnight Madness" event that you can take your motorcycle to and make practice runs or even compete in drag racing. ---------- > From: Chris S. Miller > To: bergie@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Midnight Madness > Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 12:30 PM > > Yes, you can run your street bike on "Midnight Madness" or "Test & > Tunes". To compete on "Midnight Madnes" you must have D.O.T tires on > front & rear, working headlights, tailights, brakelights, current tag, no > wheelie bars, no slicks, and no open pipes. If you have all of these > items then you can race on Friday night. As far as safety equipment goes > you must have a leather jacket, shoes above ankle, long pants, and > leather gloves. If you go quicker than 10.99 then you will need leather > pants and a kill switch also. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07744; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29074; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19968; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-205.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.205]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13768 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:09:11 -0400 Message-ID: <342BCFEE.D8826986@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:08:31 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Winterizing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garcia Oliver wrote: > (1) Why won't the wood or cardboard be at the same temperature as the > concrete? 'cause it's organic. Concrete has all those harsh industrial chemicals in it. That causes extreme temperature changes that don't occur in soft, natural, organic, chemical-free, hypo-allergenic, healthy, fresh-from-the-farm, dew-kissed wood and cardboard. > (2) What will affect the tires adversely, cold or concrete? Why? Concrete - they store new tires in cardboard boxes in cold warehouses, if they stored 'em in concrete boxes in warm warehouses, they'd all be worn smooth before we could get a chance to put them on the bike. If the roads were made of cardboard, tires would last forever, it's that awful concrete that wears tires out. I keep bikes in a garage with a concrete floor and also in a storage shed in the far end of the back yard. It's always the ones in the garage that get their tires worn smooth, the ones I keep in the shed with a wood floor, never get any additional tire wear. Concrete destroys batteries too, but that's another thread. :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: Tire satire by Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07748; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28160; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17177; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fonger-portable (ip116.washington12.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.81.116]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20767 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970926102807.007aa660@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:28:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: subdivisions In-Reply-To: <01BCCA61.FF77A1C0@rebel.gtsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've run into many apartment complexes that forbid bikes, excluding them in the lease. Most recently, although the lease had no provision against them, the separate garage contract did, which I forced them to wave. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (stolen) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07753; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28572; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18487; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:53:45 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA15245 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:53:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015147; Fri Sep 26 09:51:44 1997 Message-ID: <342BCC58.69B9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:53:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Winterizing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cold is NOT bad for tires. In fact, cold storage would be the ideal situation. If you could, the best thing for your tires would be to store them in a freezer during the winter, where they're cold, and away from all light. The reason you should (if possible) jack up a bike so the tires don't touch the concrete during a long stay is that the weight of the bike will flat-spot the tires at the contact patch. There is no chemical degradation from having concrete touch the rubber. Placing cardboard between the bike and the cement won't do anything at all for your tires, except possibly keep the tire off a potentially oily surface. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07756; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28122; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeb.s3i.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17107; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmo.s3i.com by jeb.s3i.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29766; Fri, 26 Sep 97 10:19:31 EDT Received: from localhost by elmo.s3i.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA23794; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:19:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:19:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo To: Garcia Oliver Cc: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Winterizing In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Garcia Oliver wrote: > (1) Why won't the wood or cardboard be at the same temperature as the > concrete? It will, but I think that maybe the heat transfer would be less. Over the course of a winter I can't imagine it making much difference, but see below. > (2) What will affect the tires adversely, cold or concrete? Why? Both I suppose. Just as the sun is not good for tires, I imagine that the cold may contribute to early decay and dry-rot. Sitting on concrete (or anything) in one position cannot be good for the tires either. In the winterizing list I posted, it says to put the bike on the centerstand, and also jack up the front wheel (Aside: BMW's being what they are, you have to put it on the centerstand and jack up the rear wheel). The idea is that you want both tires off the ground for the winter. Just be careful what you are using to jack up the front with, so you don't hurt, for example, any fins on the bottom of the oil pan. -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07763; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27182; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15856; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.66.13]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA22618; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:25:41 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Brian McCoy" , Subject: Re: fog city Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:23:42 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970926132540.AAA22618@default> They do make a fog city stick on film for Arai. I had one. Now what's this about an actual shield for Shoeis? Fog City makes complete shields? Do they work? Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07767; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27702; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smartwall.gtsi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16496; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smartwall.gtsi.com; id KAA06662; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hq.gtsi.com(192.254.16.1) by smartwall.gtsi.com via smap (V3.1) id xma006624; Fri, 26 Sep 97 10:51:21 -0400 Received: from rebel.gtsi.com ([192.254.16.7]) by hq.gtsi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16606; Fri, 26 Sep 97 10:13:57 EDT Received: by rebel.gtsi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCCA61.FF77A1C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:53:10 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCCA61.FF77A1C0@rebel.gtsi.com> From: Phil Simerly To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: subdivisions Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:04:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the sub I live there is a rule for no commercial trucks (considered commercial if it has writing on it). If they were to pass a rule for no bike I'd move. Phil Simerly - Working for the company formally known as Government Technology Services, INC. Phone 703/502-2419 - Fax 703/222-5208 - e-mail pls@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07771; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27681; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16483; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA05100 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:55:00 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005057; Fri, 26 Sep 97 09:54:41 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA17073; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA875281944; Fri, 26 Sep 97 09:52:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9709268752.AA875281944@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 09:51:21 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[2]: fog city MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If Fog City makes an Arai film, this is new to me.. Where'd ya get it.. huh? huh? huh? And the Fog Shield I saw was in the aerostich cacatalogue. if you're interested (fit X9's?) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: fog city Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 9/26/97 9:23 AM They do make a fog city stick on film for Arai. I had one. Now what's this about an actual shield for Shoeis? Fog City makes complete shields? Do they work? Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07778; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27686; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16488; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA21854; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:54:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA26912; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA12093; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:54:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Garcia Oliver CC: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Unsubscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19970926135430.AAA12093@localHost> Well, maybe I did go off. And I blame the poor way mail exchange allows for expression. But I was under the impression from 'casper1's post that we were obligated somehow to help him. I don't have a problem letting people know how to remove themselves from the list, but the guy came across like a west coast snot. Then he writes back to me suggesting I remove myself from a list he doesn't want on; one he blames his son for getting him on. Then he mentions how lovely his caly coast weather is in an apparent attempt to rub my nose in it. F-him. Does that help? Todd >Whoa! Deep breath, count to three....repeat as needed. > >What set you off on this guy? He's no worse than the other zillion stuck >on the flypaper. In any case, snapping at him isn't going to get him off >any faster, no? > >Since there are so many, maybe an engineering solution is in order: >make it (even) easier to get off the list. > > >--garcia > >"The problem with making it idiot-proof is that someone will quickly >invent a better idiot." > > >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Todd B Peer wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >While it is sometimes amusing reading about the motorcycle travels on >> >> >the east coast it doesn't do me much good on the left coast. >> >> > >> >> >Unsubscribe >> >> > >> >> >Casper1 >> >> >> >> Well with that attitude you are bound to be amused for as long >> >> as you haven't figured out how to leave. Just do what you did >> >> to get on the list, backwards ;^) >> >> >> >> Todd >> > >> > >> >Todd, >> > >> >I would, except I don't know what my son did to get us on this mailing >> >list. Maybe you can recommend a good manual on how to remove yourself >> >from unwanted email lists. >> > >> >> Yup. Definitely an attitude problem. You should've just explained >> to the list that 'your son' got you stuck in the first place. Now I'm >> _definitely_ not gonna help you...jerk. >> >> >By the way the weather is beautiful out here. >> >> btw, I don't care. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07781; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25834; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14787; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAA165.59; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:22:21 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970926080656.009288d0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:06:56 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: Colder weather riding/winterizing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:42 PM 9/25/97 -0400, Amit Chatterjie wrote: >> I've got instructions for making a heated faceshield (drill holes and >> thread nichrome wire through them). >> >> Chris Norloff >> >You have a diagram or something? From the above description one imagines >the appearance of a mocasin. Wouldn't rain water go through those holes? The instructions were to drill a horizontal row of holes in the faceshield above your field of view, and one row below. Thread the wire vertically across your field of view (and horizontally between adjacent holes). With small holes, perhaps sealed, there should be little rain problem. And if this is your cold-weather shield, then it wouldn't be raining anyway! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07783; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25624; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14421; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA19137 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:54:22 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCCA51.9A2C7DA0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:55:48 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCCA51.9A2C7DA0@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: dc-cycle Subject: RE: Winterizing Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:55:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clark, The air filter bit was probably recommend just to insure that they were = regularly change. Bleeding the hydraulics is a good prophylactic for = moisture in the fluid, and to remove any corrosion products that may = have accumulated over the season. I actually flush mine and replace the = fluid. rwj -----Original Message----- From: Clark E. Dorman [SMTP:dorman@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 1997 10:40 AM To: dc-cycle Subject: Winterizing and I don't bleed the brakes during winterizing, and I don't understand the remove/replace air filter part:=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 10:37:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07790; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA22303; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 05:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA13304; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 05:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id FAA11667 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 05:41:58 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma011659; Fri, 26 Sep 97 05:41:46 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id FAA13807 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 05:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA875266771; Fri, 26 Sep 97 05:39:33 -0500 Message-Id: <9709268752.AA875266771@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 05:38:32 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: FW: no traffic? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really think the Fog Shield is a good product and they're pretty cheap. When I've followed the instructions with the package they've lasted longer than my shield... --------reply-------------- You've had a shield wear out? You must really torture those things... I've had 2 shields (clear and dark) on my Arai Quantum for that past 4 years, and they're still in great shape. Granted, I only clean them with a lint free towel and 'soft' clcleanser. BTW, personal experience and thoughts on the Fog City - I'm thinking half of you are talking about the Actual Shoie shield that they produce, and the other half are talking about the plastic film that goes on the shield. To date, I'm not aware of a Fog Shield that will fit an Arai Quantum shield - that's because of the brow vents - Yes, it did fog up easily, and it did glare badly, day or night, and I don't think they were designed for Arai shields. I'll never buy one of the 'install it yourself' things again - if I pick up a Shoie, they make actual shields with their fog stuff on it... buy that. As always, YMMV Brian Mccoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 11:34:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08629; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07732; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smartwall.gtsi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24122; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smartwall.gtsi.com; id MAA16568; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hq.gtsi.com(192.254.16.1) by smartwall.gtsi.com via smap (V3.1) id xma016561; Mon, 29 Sep 97 12:30:48 -0400 Received: from rebel.gtsi.com ([192.254.16.7]) by hq.gtsi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20401; Mon, 29 Sep 97 11:52:53 EDT Received: by rebel.gtsi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCCCCB.51D3E580@XXXXXX>; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:32:08 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCCCCB.51D3E580@rebel.gtsi.com> From: Phil Simerly To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: subdivisions Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:43:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 10:04 AM 9/26/97 -0400, Phil Simerly wrote: >In the sub I live there is a rule for no commercial trucks (considered commercial if it has writing on it). >If they were to pass a rule for no bike I'd move. Chris Norloffn writes > Why wouldn't you fight it? Well I don't like the neighborhood anyway and would not waste my time with the idiots the are on the board in my HOA. Phil Simerly - Working for the company formally known as Government Technology Services, INC. Phone 703/502-2419 - Fax 703/222-5208 - e-mail pls@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 12:27:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09239; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08864; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minet.marriott.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25785; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mih.marriott.com by minet.marriott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA94469; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:25:09 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mih.marriott.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA875550690; Mon, 29 Sep 97 12:31:32 -0500 Message-Id: <9709298755.AA875550690@mih.marriott.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 12:20:38 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouz" To: Subject: Subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 13:53:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11176; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09873; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29941; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07195; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:52:02 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22312 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA26110 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:52:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:52:00 -0400 (EDT) To: DC Cycles Subject: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am going to go. Hopefully it won't be too big of a squid-fest. Anyway, anyone else going from the Fairfax/Herndon/Chantilly area? I thought we all could ride up together early, try and keep each other awake! ;) -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 14:20:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11654; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10338; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01212; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10116; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:17:47 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:17:15 -0400 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: jimi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? Think there is still room? Sandy 87 Hurricane 600 85 Virago 1000 "Sometimes I wonder if men and women really suit each other. Perhaps they should live next door and just visit now and then." --- Katharine Hepburn >>> 09/29 1:52 PM >>> I am going to go. Hopefully it won't be too big of a squid-fest. Anyway, anyone else going from the Fairfax/Herndon/Chantilly area? I thought we all could ride up together early, try and keep each other awake! ;) -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 14:22:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11697; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10353; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01267; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26730; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA21812; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:19:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D090C9B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jimi@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:19:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone ride their bikes or is everyone riding in cages? I've heard not many people ride cars down. (Sorry for the stupid question, I'm new to this) > -----Original Message----- > From: jimi@XXXXXX [SMTP:jimi@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 1997 1:52 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? > > > I am going to go. Hopefully it won't be too big of a squid-fest. > Anyway, > anyone else going from the Fairfax/Herndon/Chantilly area? I thought > we > all could ride up together early, try and keep each other awake! ;) > > -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 14:31:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11950; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10446; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01771; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09549; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA12416; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA13482; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:31:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:31:04 -0400 (EDT) To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D090C9B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Does anyone ride their bikes or is everyone riding in cages? I've heard > not many people ride cars down. (Sorry for the stupid question, I'm new > to this) Everyone I know is riding. You just have to tape up glass, take mirrors off, etc. once you get there. You also have to hope you don't wreck it, so you have a ride home.... -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 15:04:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12439; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10821; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02864; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23631; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA12234 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:03:44 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma012174; Mon, 29 Sep 97 15:03:27 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA15006 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA875558962; Mon, 29 Sep 97 15:00:59 -0500 Message-Id: <9709298755.AA875558962@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 14:48:30 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't you think riding up is kinda a bad idea? You're going to be pushing yourself and your bike all day, and then ride home? (From the exhaustion on my racer friends faces after only 8 laps, I wouldn't suggest this) Plus, what if you wad the bike.. I mean, you don't think it'll happen, but things do go wring, especially on days like this. You have a bunch of people who like to ride fast, but have no real formal training on riding quickly in close quarters with others - something bad will happen.. (this from a cornerworkers standpoint). Sorry for being negative.. I hope everyone has fun. But I'm not going to stay and work that day, because I don't want to have to pick up and console someone I know.. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 9/29/97 1:52 PM I am going to go. Hopefully it won't be too big of a squid-fest. Anyway, anyone else going from the Fairfax/Herndon/Chantilly area? I thought we all could ride up together early, try and keep each other awake! ;) -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 15:37:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12984; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11448; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03955; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA05341; Mon, 29 Sep 97 15:36:30 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 29 Sep 97 12:37:50 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 29 Sep 97 12:37:34 -0008 Received: from vrc_server by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23) with ESMTP; 29 Sep 97 12:37:33 -0008 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: , "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Loud pipes save lives? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:35:48 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <10A2880C7019@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > > You'll always have people trying to stop you from doing just > about everything you ever like to do. Not just riding. Its the old > "if *I* dont like it, YOU cant do it" philosophy. > Join something like the AMA and > always fight to keep your rights. Do you tailor everything you ever > do to make everyone else happy? The AMA is against loud pipes because it annoys people enough to want to ban motorcycles. Courts tell the AMA that excessive noise is a reasonable justification for a motorcycle ban. > Sure, people try and ban anything they possibly can,( God, are we a > country of tight asses or what!) and unless > someone is willing to fight them, they'll usually get away with it. The people who hate loud pipes agree and fight us so we cannot get away with making so much noise > People ARE fighting, though, and "bans" ARE being challenged and > dropped. Wasnt it in california that a "motorcycle ban" was just > pretty recently overturned in a subdivision? It was somewhere. I > gotta look it up in my magazine. The AMA recently lost to a Condo board that banned motorcycles because of noise. A bill was passed by the state legislature to outlaw such bans but the Governor vetoed it. There is an appeal but the Condo owner still cannot ride to his home. Hopefully, they will prevail but who's to say? Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Sr. Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 16:02:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13544; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12023; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04711; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01999; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goddardj ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id PAA21077; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34300892.1736FB0E@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:59:15 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <9709298755.AA875558962@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have done this track day 2 times and ridden up and back (Bethesda) for both of them. All the crashes that happend when I was there were by racers. Except for 2 slow lowsides, on both of those the riders were back out the next session. I will be there, if you see me please come by I am on a burgundy, black and silver ZX9R with a green rear wheel. I will most likely be hanging out near the cover behind the Cafe. If you can be there Go It has help my rideing more than anything else. You won't be sorry. If anyone does wad a bike they rode up finding a ride home is not hard. Jay Brian McCoy wrote: > Don't you think riding up is kinda a bad idea? You're going to > be > pushing yourself and your bike all day, and then ride home? > (From the > exhaustion on my racer friends faces after only 8 laps, I > wouldn't > suggest this) Plus, what if you wad the bike.. I mean, you don't > > think it'll happen, but things do go wring, especially on days > like > this. You have a bunch of people who like to ride fast, but have > no > real formal training on riding quickly in close quarters with > others - > something bad will happen.. (this from a cornerworkers > standpoint). > > > Sorry for being negative.. I hope everyone has fun. But I'm not > going > to stay and work that day, because I don't want to have to pick > up and > console someone I know.. > > > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? > Author: at smtplink-micros > Date: 9/29/97 1:52 PM > > > I am going to go. Hopefully it won't be too big of a squid-fest. > Anyway, > anyone else going from the Fairfax/Herndon/Chantilly area? I thought > we > all could ride up together early, try and keep each other awake! ;) > > -jimi > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 16:17:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13832; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12277; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05297; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA11692; Mon, 29 Sep 97 16:15:52 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 29 Sep 97 13:17:08 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 29 Sep 97 13:16:39 -0008 Received: from vrc_server by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23) with ESMTP; 29 Sep 97 13:16:32 -0008 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: , Subject: Re: subdivisions Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:14:50 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <10C651C665EA@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > I live in a subdivision where pickups aren't allowed, but they don't > enforce the rule. If the HOA allows a rule violation to continue, then a court can decide to nullify it saying that acceptance of the violation for a period of time becomes acceptance of the activity. That happened to my HOA in Maryland. Glad I don't live there any more. When I tell my Idaho neighbors that there are subdivisions in Metro D.C. that ban pick-ups, half don't believe me and the other half are sure that it is a violation of some constitutional right. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness in a 4-wheel drive pick-up with a gun rack and a five point Elk in the bed." Of course, in Idaho when you say you drive a BMW, people assume you own a Big Mud Wagon 4X4. Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Sr. Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 16:19:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13869; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12379; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05362; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA12033; Mon, 29 Sep 97 16:18:28 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 29 Sep 97 13:19:45 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 29 Sep 97 13:19:25 -0008 Received: from vrc_server by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23) with ESMTP; 29 Sep 97 13:19:14 -0008 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "Todd B Peer" , "Garcia Oliver" Cc: "dc-cycle" Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:17:32 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <10C8D9260886@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > >> >> >While it is sometimes amusing reading about the motorcycle travels on > >> >> >the east coast it doesn't do me much good on the left coast. > >> >> > > >> >> Well with that attitude you are bound to be amused for as long > >> >> as you haven't figured out how to leave. Just do what you did > >> >> to get on the list, backwards ;^) Living in the Rocky Mountains, I have little use for directions to Summit Point or chatter about local bike shops. Still it's fun to read about what I left behind: traffic jams, HOA buttheads, and homicidal Yuppie drivers. God, I hope they renew my contract next year. I don't wanna go back! Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Sr. Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 17:29:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14955; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15671; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07364; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.66.249]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA2341; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:22:54 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'dc-cycles'" , "'Leon Begeman'" Subject: Re: concrete destroys batteries Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:20:44 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970929212253.AAA2341@default> Glenn- Go out to the nearest piece of concrete, hold your battery as high as you can, and drop it on the concrete. I guarantee the concrete will destroy it! Later Kevin PS- wear safety goggles He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 18:05:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15848; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17252; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09444; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06174; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-tnt2s63.erols.com [207.172.57.63]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21349 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:03:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970929180504.006c6f94@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:05:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? In-Reply-To: <34300892.1736FB0E@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> References: <9709298755.AA875558962@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey there all. I plan on being at the event as a cornerworker. (I can't justify nearly $500 or more for a single day of play). I may be camping out there or I may have the truck. Keep in touch with me and I might be able to help haul a bike or two one way or the other (hopefully none crashed....I've been doing that far too much lately...latest victim was a 2 week old Terrible Lizzard 1000 yesterday on 704) Anyhow, I should be out there the entire weekend.... Look for me on a blue/white GSXR750 (93 model) or in the green dodge dakota 4x4 with chrome light bar.... Cya there Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 29 22:28:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18510; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21162; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15238; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:27:12 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA24563 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970929222553_727570928@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In a message dated 97-09-29 16:33:35 EDT, you write: > Living in the Rocky Mountains, I have little use for directions to Summit > Point or chatter about local bike shops. Still it's fun to read about what > I left behind: traffic jams, HOA buttheads, and homicidal Yuppie drivers. > > God, I hope they renew my contract next year. I don't wanna go back! Do you go to parties, find the host, and say, "God, your house sucks!" --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 01:57:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20360; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25565; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18321; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com (ppp9.visuallink.com [206.151.68.169]) by visuallink.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA02179; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3430BE9E.C6106C15@visuallink.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:55:59 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Honda Sport Touring Association CC: DC-Cycles List , Nighthawk List , ST1100 List , VFR List Subject: Honda Website is up! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here it is folks... http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/ Sorry for multiple e-mails due to cross-posting. Seeya down the road... -- Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 29 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 06:42:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22437; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA27482; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA21105; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCCD6C.175F12C0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:42:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Leon Begeman'" , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: concrete destroys batteries Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:42:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT No, not mine. My battery case is made of Lexan. ;-) Glenn >---------- >From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, September 29, 1997 5:20 PM >To: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; 'dc-cycles'; 'Leon Begeman' >Subject: Re: concrete destroys batteries > >Glenn- > >Go out to the nearest piece of concrete, hold your battery as high as you >can, and drop it on the concrete. I guarantee the concrete will destroy >it! > >Later >Kevin > >PS- wear safety goggles > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 06:56:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22497; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA27542; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA21182; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCCD6E.17FB19C0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:57:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Michael Dow'" Subject: RE: MC Shipping Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:57:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 27 TEXT Mike, try Federal Companies. I believe they are listed in this months Cycle World. I have never used them or know anyone that has. I just saw their ad. Their phone numbers are: (800) 747-4100 or (309) 694-4500 Ext. 214 Ext. 217 good luck Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >---------- > >I know this thread comes up every so often, but does anyone know of or >have any experience with companies that ship bikes? > >It's looking like I'm going to be working in Tampa for the next few months, >and want to have my ride shipped down from Arlington. Any info (companies, >cost, etc.) would be appreciated. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 10:04:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24445; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00114; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24375; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.65.57]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA6175 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:03:13 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: re: MC shipping Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:01:03 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970930140312.AAA6175@default> Are you an AMA member? The AMA has a discount arrangement with a shipper. Call 1-800-AMA-Join. Your will membership will get you a good deal on shipping as well as help preserve your right to ride whatever you want, wherever you want. Even in your own neighborhood. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 10:07:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24488; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00190; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24468; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.65.57]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA9136; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:06:53 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Honda Sport Touring Association" Cc: "DC-Cycles List" , "Nighthawk List" , "ST1100 List" , "VFR List" Subject: Re: Honda Website is up! Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:04:41 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19970930140650.AAA9136@default> Ivan- I just tried it and it didn't work. Is the address right? Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 10:22:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24600; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00385; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24813; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25372; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA22512; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Michael Dow'" Subject: RE: MC Shipping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Mike, try Federal Companies. I believe they are listed in this months > Cycle World. I have never used them or know anyone that has. I just > saw their ad. Their phone numbers are: I used them once. They did an OK job. You need to have the bike delivered between business addresses. The place you work is a good choice, but youo need to find one on the other end as well. They will strap the bike down on to a large pallet, so you don't need to take it apart. I think they want you to drain the gas, but I didn't, and nobody said anything. The lower fairing on the bike had a huge gouge taken out of both sides during the shipping, it looked like the bike contacted the pallet at some point. It was a monster pain in the ass to get them to owe up to doing it, and I never did get any money. Use at your own risk. It should be noted that the AMA discontinued using Federal as their primary carrier a while back, because they refused to compensate their own employees involved in motorcycle accidents. I forget who they use now, but I would call the AMA to find out. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 10:28:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24704; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00529; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25069; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCCD8B.A872B810@XXXXXX>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:28:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'ivank@XXXXXX'" , "'Honda Sport Touring Association'" , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles List'" , "'Nighthawk List'" , "'ST1100 List'" , "'VFR List'" Subject: RE: Honda Website is up! Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:28:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 20 TEXT Kevin, try it again. It Just worked for me. This is what I have: http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/ Glenn >---------- >From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 10:04 AM >To: ivank@XXXXXX; Honda Sport Touring Association >Cc: DC-Cycles List; Nighthawk List; ST1100 List; VFR List >Subject: Re: Honda Website is up! > >Ivan- > >I just tried it and it didn't work. Is the address right? > >Kevin > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 12:40:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28140; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02833; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01661; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA22418; Tue, 30 Sep 97 12:40:08 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 30 Sep 97 09:40:35 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 30 Sep 97 09:40:30 -0008 Received: from vrc_server by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23) with ESMTP; 30 Sep 97 09:40:28 -0008 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: , Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:39:34 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: > Do you go to parties, find the host, and say, "God, your house sucks!" Point well taken. I forgot that lots of people love the big city and D.C. has a lot to offer (especially good paying jobs). Interestingly, the east has a lot of great riding roads. In Idaho and Montana, most roads are built with gentle curves. Roads that follow Rivers like the Lochsa, Clearwater, and St. Joe are curvy but the curves are quite gentle and easy for a Gold Wing at 55 MPH. It's hard to find tight, twisty little roads like those winding through the farms of PA, western MD and VA's Piedmont. The way things look at work, I'll be back to enjoy weekend rides through West VA within two years. I'll return to "lurk mode" now. Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Sr. Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 14:13:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00124; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04703; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.rv.tis.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05950; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay.rv.tis.com; id OAA02420; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rubicon.rv.tis.com(10.0.1.144) by relay.rv.tis.com via smap (4.0) id xma002161; Tue, 30 Sep 97 14:10:21 -0400 Received: from bdarden.rv.tis.com (dyn177.rv.tis.com [10.0.1.177]) by rubicon.rv.tis.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20600; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970930181412.006c5cfc@pop.rv.tis.com> X-Sender: darden@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:14:12 -0400 To: "Todd B Peer" , "'Loupil'" , "Akers, Philip" , annie mundy , baldwin2 , baretta , Berri Reminick , Biker413@XXXXXX, "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Maggs , Bill Schmidt , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , botcher2 , "'Bryan T. 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Coleman" , peter soukup , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, sae pak , scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , Stephan Lee , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, "sbeck@XXXXXX" , steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX, "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , thomas_meeker@XXXXXX, "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "Osidach, Vera Z." , "w.r. ohara" , "McLoone, William J." , dc-cycles From: Robert Darden Subject: Motorcycle for sale For Sale: 1984 Honda Goldwing GL1200 (The stripped model) Approx. 25K miles Plexistar 2 Windscreen New tires front and rear Brownish color Just purchased from a coworker but my sidecar conversion won't fit. Asking $3000 Bob Darden 1204 N. Utah St. Arlington VA 22201 703-527-5796 home 301-947-7116 work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 14:34:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00722; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04934; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07165; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-tnt2s63.erols.com [207.172.57.63]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14078; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970930143552.006c8bec@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:35:52 -0400 To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cycle Sport Track Day Oct. 6th - Who is going? In-Reply-To: <430e9c00@emh3.arl.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:06 AM 9/30/97 -0400, Dave Choat wrote: >Collin, > $500 bucks? Is that what it costs? What does that cover? > > Dave Choat > (Yellow K1200RS) Actually, the registration cost is lower this year than last. It only costs $125, attend the safety class, safety wire the oil drain, and tape the glass up... When I alluded to $500, I was factoring in TIRES. Knowing how I ride and the opportunity to ride full bore all day long on a track, I figure that I would waste away at least one set of tires if not two. Just playing around out at a little closed business park (see my web page) pretty much destroyed my last front tire and most of the rear. For most people, I'm sure the track day would definitely do a good number on a set of tires, but probably not to the point of trashing them......I'm just factoring in my riding style :) See ya'll at the races... Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 30 16:31:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03790; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07244; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13921; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA12774 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:31:14 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma012686; Tue, 30 Sep 97 16:30:58 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA10116; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA875651244; Tue, 30 Sep 97 16:28:42 -0500 Message-Id: <9709308756.AA875651244@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 16:25:28 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , , Subject: Re[2]: Unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoa - someone's not riding the right roads... I'm fairly disappointed with the roads here on the eastern side of the Mississippi compared with those I learned on in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and the Canadian rockies.... They offered more fun for the mile than most that I find myself on out here. This isn't saying that these aren't fun... but I like being able to go more than 10 miles before running into the next 'Reduce speed ahead' sign... call me crazy... Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX Rcky Mtn boy... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Interestingly, the east has a lot of great riding roads. In Idaho and Montana, most roads are built with gentle curves. Roads that follow Rivers like the Lochsa, Clearwater, and St. Joe are curvy but the curves are quite gentle and easy for a Gold Wing at 55 MPH. It's hard to find tight, twisty little roads like those winding through the farms of PA, western MD and VA's Piedmont. The way things look at work, I'll be back to enjoy weekend rides through West VA within two years. I'll return to "lurk mode" now.