From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 08:21:08 1996 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 08:17:40 EST From: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) To: mjb@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Review If I keep this seat, I'm going to have to look into a new set of handle-bars or bar-backs, which may be a pain, since the R100RS is tight in that area. Does anyone have experience with these types of mods on a BMW? I'm thinking that I will have to change the brake like to do this, I'm not sure what else will have to change. It might be simpler to have Corbin change the seat to bring you forward again. Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 14:58:56 1996 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:00:47 -0400 (EDT) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: Chris Norloff cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Review In-Reply-To: <9608301509.AA2141@quimby.os2bbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII BMW k100rs w/ a corbin. same seat, same bike. gotta say I love it. john thank you for your continued support From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 01:34:32 1996 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:33:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: 15798@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Kim@XXXXXX From: Stephen Dobson <15798@XXXXXX> Subject: FW: Motorcycle hazards Cc: Marke@XXXXXX, sam@XXXXXX, all >Return-Path: >X-Authentication-Warning: chalice.firewall.dsea.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/shortqueue >From: kwells@XXXXXX >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 13:58:29 EDT >Subject: FW: Motorcycle hazards >To: HawkGT@XXXXXX > >Thought you would get a bang out of this one (pun intented).. > > >On Wed, 4 Sep 96 09:21:52 -0700 Brian Knowles wrote: >>So you think loonies in cages are you have to worry about. Well, try >>this one on... >> >> >>"In retrospect, lighting the match was my mistake. But I was only trying >>to retrieve my son's rat." Dick Stone told doctors in the severe burns >>unit of San Francisco City Hospital. Admitted for emergency treatment >>after an attempt to retrieve the rat had gone seriously wrong, he >>explained, "My son left the cage door open, so his rat, Vermin, escaped >>into the garage. As usual, it looked for a good place to hide, and ran >>up the exhaust pipe of my motorcycle. I tried to retrieve Vermin by >>offering him food attached to a string, but he wouldn't come out again, >>so I peered into the pipe and struck a match, thinking the light might >>attract him." >> >>At a hushed press conference, a hospital spokesman described what had >>happened next. "The flame ignited a pocket of residual gas and a flame >>shot out the pipe igniting Mr. Stone's mustache and severely burned his >>face. It also set fire to the pet rat's fur and whiskers which, in turn, >>ignited a larger pocket of gas further up the exhaust pipe which >>propelled the rodent out like a cannonball." Stone suffered >>second-degree burns, and a broken nose from the impact of the pet rat. >>His son was grounded for 6 weeks. >> >>(ROTFL!) >> >>Regards, >> >>Brian >>('84 V65 Magna,"Zombie") > >------------------------------------- >E-mail: kwells@XXXXXX (kent wells) >Date: 09/04/96 >Time: 13:58:29 > >"Happiness comes from within." > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:41:11 1996 From: jimi@XXXXXX X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:39:12 -0400 (EDT) To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: FW: Motorcycle hazards In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII C'mon, thats the worst version of the story I've heard yet. It was originally printed in a British bike magazine about two guys that were stuffing gerbils. It was almost word for word replaced with motorcycle stuff to clean it up. Chock up another one for urban folklore. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 12:54:07 1996 Sender: phil@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 12:53:15 -0400 From: Phil Kester Organization: Visa Interactive X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4d) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Motorcycle hazards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen Dobson wrote: > > >>ignited a larger pocket of gas further up the exhaust pipe which > >>propelled the rodent out like a cannonball." Stone suffered > >>second-degree burns, and a broken nose from the impact of the pet rat. > >>His son was grounded for 6 weeks. So, what happened to the rat?? -- Phil Kester Visa Interactive From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:01:31 1996 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:01:13 -0400 From: World Wide Weiss Organization: The Bill Gates Defamation League X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Kester CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Motorcycle hazards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>ignited a larger pocket of gas further up the exhaust pipe which >>propelled the rodent out like a cannonball. >>His son was grounded for 6 weeks. > So, what happened to the rat?? He went off to Fire Island to become a gerbil. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX 6800 Virginia Manor Road Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 00:24:56 1996 From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 00:22:08 -0400 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Road Riding events for your pleasure! With the Fall riding season upon us, I thought I'd remind everyone about the remaining AMA-sanctioned Road Riding events for 1996 in Maryland. These events do not require pre-registration, just show up and enjoy! 8-Sep Nostalgia Run 11:00 AM Western MD MC Assn. Loc: Community Park @ Route 806 Thurmont, MD Info: Jack Pearre (410) 775-7209 15-Sep Poker Run 10:00 AM Baltimore Ramblers Loc: Club Grounds 5513 Deer Park Road Reisterstown, MD Info: Clubhouse (410) 833-5795 22-Sep Quiz Run 10:00 AM Blue Ridge Road Riders Loc: JT Motorsports 5708 Urbana Pike (RT 355) Frederick, MD Info: Russell Fleming (410) 374-9687 29-Sep Post Office Run 11:00 AM 4-Seasons Road Riders Loc: Pizza Hut Rt 32 & 108 Clarksville, MD Info: (301) 831-7189 OR (410) 655-1420 13-Oct Poker Run 11:00 AM Maryland Comp. Riders Loc: Roy Rogers Ridgeville Blvd. & RT-27 Mt. Airy, MD Info: Ed Phelps (410)781-7521 20-Oct Poker Run 10:00 AM Baltimore Ramblers Loc: Club Grounds 5513 Deer Park Road Reisterstown, MD Info: Clubhouse (410) 833-5795 New to motorcycling? So what is a POKER RUN? Besides the obvious definition, it's an excuse to ride your motorcycle with a group of friendly cyclists on a beautiful day. The technical explantion is a mapped out run, where at designated points a bag of tokens will be waiting, Each player takes one token at this "check point." On completion of the run, the tokens are exchanged for playing cards drawn at random and played out as a straight poker hand. It is NOT a race nor a timed event. Variations of the Poker Run include Map Runs, Lime Runs, Nostagilia Runs, etc. And don't forget, most clubs give awards (i.e. trohies) for the best hand in each class, longest distance to attend, low hand, etc. If you try it once, you'll probably be hooked. Please contact the info number for the specific event if the weather is questionable. For more information, contact Russell Fleming (410) 374-9687 Road Riding Chairman AMA District #7 All events are open to AMA and non-AMA riders alike and their passengers. Most clubs offer two to four classes for entries. Come enjoy what these clubs offer! You'll be surprised at how much fun you'll have. Tell them JEFF sent you! Maybe I'll see you there! Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 21:30:30 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 21:25:36 -0400 To: ex500@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: EX500 parts at Summit Point Several folks asked so I'll add a little information. Saturday, Sept 14th, I will be racing at Summit Point. I plan to clean out my shed and try to pick up some beer money. All items obo: Pair of stock 16" wheels - $50 cool black front fender - $30 Full lower, needs paint/repair - $10 Stuff between Free and a beer: damaged front fairings left and right side covers, various condition/color misc hbars, gearing, other junk rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 19:57:35 1996 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:49:56 -0400 From: "W. Michael DiTullio" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hawk list CC: philly list , tootsie , tobe , ST1100 , Mark at work , DT4mark@XXXXXX, hawk list , eat coast , dc-cycles Subject: hawk gt for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone is interested, in todays Philly Inquirer 9/9/96 there is a hawk GT for sale for $2000. 1990 model red, no miles given. Call 215-794-7474 leave message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have mailto:michael.ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me mailto:spazman@XXXXXX |Atlantic City, NJ 1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 STOC# 105 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 22:43:41 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 22:40:29 -0400 To: ex500@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Re: EX500 parts at Summit Point I guess I should have added location info: pitted across from winners circle, white EX500 #910. Stop by even if you don't want any parts! rich ps- unfortunately my lovely wife won't be able to attend this weekend, but rest assured that she will get all the proceeds. At 09:25 PM 9/8/96 -0400, Rich and Leslie Sturges wrote: >Several folks asked so I'll add a little information. Saturday, Sept 14th, I >will be racing at Summit Point. I plan to clean out my shed and try to pick >up some beer money. All items obo: > >Pair of stock 16" wheels - $50 >cool black front fender - $30 >Full lower, needs paint/repair - $10 > >Stuff between Free and a beer: > damaged front fairings > left and right side covers, various condition/color > misc hbars, gearing, other junk > >rich > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 01:10:27 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:08:59 -0400 X-Sender: ajpags@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Rich and Leslie Sturges , ex500@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anthony Pagliaroli Subject: Re: EX500 parts at Summit Point At 10:40 PM 9/9/96 -0400, Rich and Leslie Sturges wrote: >I guess I should have added location info: pitted across from winners >circle, white EX500 #910. Stop by even if you don't want any parts! > >rich > >ps- unfortunately my lovely wife won't be able to attend this weekend, but >rest assured that she will get all the proceeds. Hey Rich... Just curious....you're not thinking about giving up on the EX's are you??? Tony Pagliaroli Bare Bone$ Racing CCSNE Junior #989 88 FZR400 88 Hurricane 600 DoD #1841 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 16:24:39 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:23:58 -0400 From: World Wide Weiss Organization: The Bill Gates Defamation League X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Nice ride this weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick note... A buddy of mine and I took a ride up to the Cozy Inn in Thurmont, MD this past Sunday. And what a perfect day it was! At least until the cars came out, anyway. We just missed the Nostalgia Poker Run that left from the community park in Thurmont. That area is steeped in history, too. Never even knew it existed. Funny thing! I rode the scoot into work today and NOT ONE brain-dead cager tried to run me over. It must be "Pay Attention To Your Driving Day" or something like that. I am still smilin'. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX 6800 Virginia Manor Road Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 17:04:38 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:06:28 -0400 From: Dale Coyner X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice ride this weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A buddy of mine and I took a ride up to the Cozy Inn in Thurmont, MD... > That area is steeped in history, too. Never even knew it existed. Warren: That is a very nice area. What did you see in the vicinity? FWIW, there are a couple of really neat points of interest that are a nice ride from Thurmont I would recommend to anyone on the list. One is Washington Monument State Park on US 40 just east of Boonsboro. It was the first monument raised to George by the citizens of Boonsboro in 1827, dozens of years before the more familiar Washington monument. Lies right along the Appalachian trail and features nice picnic facilities. A nice route to get there would be MD 77 west out of Thurmont to Stottlemeyer Road to MD 17 to US 40 A Also along MD 17 near Burkittsville is Gathland State Park, a resort of sorts created by George Alfred Townsend, a civil war correspondent. He raised a monument called the War Correspondents Arch which stands on the crest of South Mountain. It's obscured by foliage during the summer, but when the leaves drop you can see if from as far away as US340 if you know where to look. Dale dale@XXXXXX Appalachian Highways http://www.his.com/~dale From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 22:41:28 1996 X-Sender: nranone2@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:36:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Nick Ranone Subject: Truck Trade I want to trade my Bronco II for a Bike. My first choice would be a Harley Sportster, 84 or newer. What would be the best way for me to go about looking for this kind of trade? Nick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 22:45:33 1996 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:41:08 -0400 To: ex500@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Re: EX500 parts at Summit Point At 01:08 AM 9/10/96 -0400, Anthony Pagliaroli wrote: >Hey Rich... >Just curious....you're not thinking about giving up on the EX's are you??? I've been trying to quit racing EX's for 4 years now. Like trying to flick a booger off your finger, you just can't get rid of them. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 23:58:21 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:56:57 -0400 X-Sender: ajpags@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Rich and Leslie Sturges , ex500@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anthony Pagliaroli Subject: Re: EX500 parts at Summit Point At 10:41 PM 9/10/96 -0400, Rich and Leslie Sturges wrote: >At 01:08 AM 9/10/96 -0400, Anthony Pagliaroli wrote: >>Hey Rich... >>Just curious....you're not thinking about giving up on the EX's are you??? > > I've been trying to quit racing EX's for 4 years now. Like trying to flick >a booger off your finger, you just can't get rid of them. LOL!!! I'd love to see what you could do on an FZR4!! Tony Pagliaroli Bare Bone$ Racing CCSNE Junior #989 88 FZR400 88 Hurricane 600 DoD #1841 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 08:17:23 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:18:52 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Nice ride this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Anybody riding today must be a duck. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Nice ride this weekend From: wweiss@XXXXXX at ddn Date: 9/10/96 4:23 PM Just a quick note... A buddy of mine and I took a ride up to the Cozy Inn in Thurmont, MD this past Sunday. And what a perfect day it was! At least until the cars came out, anyway. We just missed the Nostalgia Poker Run that left from the community park in Thurmont. That area is steeped in history, too. Never even knew it existed. Funny thing! I rode the scoot into work today and NOT ONE brain-dead cager tried to run me over. It must be "Pay Attention To Your Driving Day" or something like that. I am still smilin'. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX 6800 Virginia Manor Road Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 08:28:42 1996 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Nice Riding Today! To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <236acfe0@emh3.arl.mil> from "Dave Choat" at Sep 11, 96 08:18:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Choat writes: > > Anybody riding today must be a duck. No, just wet. I just love those little squish sounds my boots make as I walk down that nice dry hall in front of the boss. ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 08:42:21 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 08:54:31 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Nice ride this weekend On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:18:52 -0400, Dave Choat wrote: > Anybody riding today must be a duck. quack, quack. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 08:44:22 1996 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:44:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: 15798@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen <15798@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: EX500 parts at Summit Point At 11:56 PM 9/10/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 10:41 PM 9/10/96 -0400, Rich and Leslie Sturges wrote: >>At 01:08 AM 9/10/96 -0400, Anthony Pagliaroli wrote: >>>Hey Rich... >> I've been trying to quit racing EX's for 4 years now. Like trying to flick >>a booger off your finger, you just can't get rid of them. > >LOL!!! I'd love to see what you could do on an FZR4!! >Tony Pagliaroli Bare Bone$ Racing CCSNE Junior #989 >88 FZR400 88 Hurricane 600 DoD #1841 Know what you mean. I have a bitch of a time flicking the boogers off my finger when on my hawk. You should see the looks I get from cagers when I go mining for nose-goblins while wearing my full-face helmet!!! :) Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 08:44:32 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 08:56:39 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Nice Riding Today! On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:28:22 -0400 (EDT), Matt Bennett wrote: >Dave Choat writes: >> >> Anybody riding today must be a duck. > >No, just wet. I just love those little squish sounds my boots make >as I walk down that nice dry hall in front of the boss. >----------------------------- >Matt Bennett | >mjb@XXXXXX | >http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | My feet got a little wet, and I took some water down my collar, but other than that I stayed dry. Aerostich, of course. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 08:51:12 1996 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:51:25 -0700 From: "Eric M. Winslow" Organization: University of Maryland X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice Riding Today! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Bennett wrote: > > Dave Choat writes: > > > > Anybody riding today must be a duck. > > No, just wet. I just love those little squish sounds my boots make > as I walk down that nice dry hall in front of the boss. The feet are dry after that ride (heavy rubber boots), but not the crotch. Has anybody with an Aerostich out there figured out how to keep the crotch dry in such a downpour? I had a light pair of bicycling rainpants underneath, but even they soaked through. -- Eric M. Winslow ew52@XXXXXX '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 09:15:02 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 09:26:59 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Nice Riding Today! >The feet are dry after that ride (heavy rubber boots), but not the >crotch. Has anybody with an Aerostich out there figured out how to keep >the crotch dry in such a downpour? I had a light pair of bicycling >rainpants underneath, but even they soaked through. On my Aerostich two-piece, the flap over the crotch zipper is critical to keeping the water out. Also important are the flaps inside the leg zippers ... they can get folded down so water that gets past the zipper is not blocked. I also used seam sealant (like for tents) to seal the cloth that the zipper is mounted on. With all that, I have little problem with water getting in the crotch ... but it still can happen in hard rain if I'm out more than half an hour. In moderate rain it's good all day. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 09:28:06 1996 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:23:46 -0400 From: "Christopher A. Meier" Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Choat CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice ride this weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dave Choat wrote: > > Anybody riding today must be a duck. > Getting in the car this am, I saw a guy ride thru Crystal City on a buell! I was quite impressed, as I was getting wet (through my umbrella). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier Computer Sciences Corporation Washington, DC 1994 Suzuki RF900R AMA #470094 "What it all boils down to, is that no one’s really got it figured out just yet" Alanis Morissette ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:50:28 1996 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 23:14:16 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Nice ride this weekend > Anybody riding today must be a duck. > It's only water and it isn't cold. No big deal. Wear a good rain suit and a pair of overshoes, then take it easy. Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 89Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 17K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 11:25:18 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 10:42:00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Nice Riding Today! I wore my newly purchased Motoport 1-peice rainsuit today. Claimed to be 100% waterproof but actually is only about 93%. It wicked through at the knees. I'm satisfied for $49, with the suit that is. My old Eddie Bauer Gortex Chukkas need a replacement though. My feet were soaked. I'm considering some Alpinstar Gortex riding boots. Anybody got a pair? Or maybe just some rubbers. Aeortex lined Motoport gloves were completely dry on inside. I don't mind the rain but the traffic SUCKS! Anybody fitted their bike with some outriggers? I could have used them in a few places. As for the leaking crotches you Aeorstitch riders have. Read Peter Egan's article in October's Cycle World. He says, "Rainwater, like spilled coffee, is drawn magnetically to the human crotch, as any scientist will tell you." I suggest you ride naked under the suit. :) Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1, RD400F Eric Winslow wrote that: Matt Bennett wrote: > > Dave Choat writes: > > > > Anybody riding today must be a duck. > > No, just wet. I just love those little squish sounds my boots make > as I walk down that nice dry hall in front of the boss. The feet are dry after that ride (heavy rubber boots), but not the crotch. Has anybody with an Aerostich out there figured out how to keep the crotch dry in such a downpour? I had a light pair of bicycling rainpants underneath, but even they soaked through. -- Eric M. Winslow ew52@XXXXXX '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 12:52:31 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 13:04:26 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: Nice Riding Today! > Aeortex lined Motoport gloves were completely dry > on inside. What kind of gloves? I had Motoport overmitts but they were absurdly unsuited to actually keeping water out. I've doubted Motoport's quality ever since. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:44:14 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Brian Downey" Organization: PSA To: "Christopher A. Meier" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:42:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Nice ride this weekend Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.20) > Dave Choat wrote: > > > > Anybody riding today must be a duck. > > > > Getting in the car this am, I saw a guy ride thru Crystal City on a > buell! > > I was quite impressed, as I was getting wet (through my umbrella). > -- If you were impressed by a Buell, my VFR would've knocked your socks off as _I_ came blasting into Crystal City .... quack. :) Well, OK, so I wasn't actually _blasting_ ... Keeping the shiny, wet side up, BD _____________________ ===(')(') __________________bfd_____ Brian Downey "" Falls Church, Virginia brdowney@XXXXXX AMA470620 DoD4657 exUSN 2 cool boys '94 VFR750 '84 750 Interceptor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:51:40 1996 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 13:44:44 EST From: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) To: BWEINER@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dry Aerostich tip >Has anybody with an Aerostich out there figured out how to keep >the crotch dry in such a downpour? I had a light pair of bicycling >rainpants underneath, but even they soaked through. My Aerostich suit, including crotch, was 100% dry when I reached the office today. I attribute this to the following tip: when it rains heavilly, I simply place the Ford key into the ignition of my truck and farkin DRIVE to work. There are old bikers and there are bold bikers, but there are no dry bikers on a day such as this. Hoping everyone receives this in the good humour in which it is intended... :-) Nigel From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:01:34 1996 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:00:47 -0400 From: World Wide Weiss Organization: The Bill Gates Defamation League X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice ride this weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> Anybody riding today must be a duck. >> Getting in the car this am, I saw a guy ride thru Crystal City on >> a buell! >> >> I was quite impressed, as I was getting wet (through my umbrella). > If you were impressed by a Buell, my VFR would've knocked your socks > off as _I_ came blasting into Crystal City .... quack. :) Not as impressive is the fact that I left the cover off my scoot last night after I got home from work and didn't realize my mistake until I woke up this morning and heard the rain pouring down outside. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX 6800 Virginia Manor Road Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:04:04 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:03:26 -0400 To: brdowney@XXXXXX, cmeier1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice ride this weekend In a message dated 96-09-11 13:55:42 EDT, brdowney@XXXXXX (Brian Downey) writes: << > > Anybody riding today must be a duck. >> I had a Duck (860 GTS) and it was crap in the rain. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:25:45 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:24:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Discount mail order motorcycle books If you believe that there is a special place in hell for bookstores that charge full list, check out www.amazon.com which is a discount mail order bookstore. I did a keyword search for motorcycle and found 552 hits, including many Clymer manuals. Check it out. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:17:19 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 14:35:36 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dry Aerostich tip It's still much more fun than driving a car. Of course, my car is an '83 Tercel with automatic trans, no power steering, no ac, and a crappy radio, not to mention a leaking radiator so even a bicycle would be more fun. I'm afraid if I get a nicer car I won't ride the bike as often. On the wet crotch note, maybe driving in the rain simply provokes anxiety resulting in a renal purge. Is it water in your crotch? :) Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1, RD400F ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Dry Aerostich tip Author: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) at MNGNET Date: 9/11/96 01:44 PM >Has anybody with an Aerostich out there figured out how to keep >the crotch dry in such a downpour? I had a light pair of bicycling >rainpants underneath, but even they soaked through. My Aerostich suit, including crotch, was 100% dry when I reached the office today. I attribute this to the following tip: when it rains heavilly, I simply place the Ford key into the ignition of my truck and farkin DRIVE to work. There are old bikers and there are bold bikers, but there are no dry bikers on a day such as this. Hoping everyone receives this in the good humour in which it is intended... :-) Nigel From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:28:47 1996 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Dry Aerostich tip Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:19:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Encoding: 7 TEXT, 32 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >My Aerostich suit, including crotch, was 100% dry when I >reached the office today. I attribute this to the following >tip: when it rains heavilly, I simply place the Ford key >into the ignition of my truck and farkin DRIVE to work. I fondly refer to my Plymouth mini-van as my Rain Bike begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@H3`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````132!!97)O12P!) *;Q/ :1%P('-U::AT+" +@&,*0&0+@#QG( 4`'J 1<" 0=V&#!" : M8# E(&1R'Q#D=V@)\"!)"H\I 4@.B> (B,?\"7@)PMQ!" B,&%V`Q!L>?<@$">@`)!M"U ?$ M1)O*- M)H%&!; F4&ME>2F_SR/O*^\","C$:6<#`!^ ,P(@)J$@;1\0)^!U8ZIK)[!N M)E!F"L!K"X! ($12259%**)W^06P:RXBA3!O,7AB*%%F$`/H # M`#8```````,`)@```````@'Y/P$````>`````````-RG0,C 0A :M+D(`"LO MX8(!`````````"X````>`/@_`0```!4```!3>7-T96T@061M:6YI. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Nice ride this weekend From: SRFox@XXXXXX at ddn Date: 9/11/96 2:03 PM In a message dated 96-09-11 13:55:42 EDT, brdowney@XXXXXX (Brian Downey) writes: << > > Anybody riding today must be a duck. >> I had a Duck (860 GTS) and it was crap in the rain. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 23:38:00 1996 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 23:36:00 -0400 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: NetMeeting Trial Howdy: Thought I'd pass along a minor discovery that seems pretty interesting to me (you hard-core Jolt-cola tekkie types might already consider this passe, I dunno). I've been investigating net-based collaboration software and have been experimenting with Microsoft's free NetMeeting. It allows peer-to-peer, multipoint collaboration, meaning that a bunch of people could get together ad hoc and, well, swap lies, kick tires, etc., all without needing a central server. Naturally, I thought a bunch of lie-telling, tire-kicking bikers would be a perfect pilot group. I'd like to try this out and thought I'd put out the call to anyone who might be interested in downloading the software and participating. It's about a 2.4 MB download for the standalone version. A slightly slimmer version requires Internet Explorer 3.0. And if you downloaded the GLX model of IE, you probably got it. Requires Windows 95 and Mac users, you knew this was coming -- there's no Mac client right now. :-( You can grab it from http://www.microsoft.com/netmeeting/download This is cool stuff and I'd like to give it a try. Anyone else have experience with this product or Netscape's CoolTalk? Anybody else interested in trying it out? Maybe we could get Rob Dingman, the AMA's rep to join us to talk, or some other motorcycling luminary (we know you're out there lurking on these lists!). d. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 02:04:12 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:11:06 -0400 From: Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX (Randy Chartier) Subject: Re: Truck Trade To: Nick Ranone , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part keep the truck, you will probably need it to haul around your sportster..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 02:04:34 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:16:03 -0400 From: Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX (Randy Chartier) Subject: Re[2]: Nice Riding Today! To: ew52@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part make sure you use the bathroom before you leave to ride.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 08:23:18 1996 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Boots? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:21:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been shopping around for a decent set of Motorcycle boots for a while, and can't seem to find any that fit me right. I don't want to mail-order, since the boots I have found that are my 'size' have no real consistency in fit. And I don't want to go through a mail order/return loop. I want INSTANT GRATIFICATION! What local (DC metro) area retailers have a decent variety of boots, in stock? I've tried The Dirt Shop in College Park (good prices, small selection), Heyser (You don't need boots, wouldn't you rather buy this new CBXR11000000?), and that motorcycle accesory place in Gaithersburg (limited, but LOUD selection). Beyond that- what I'm looking for are some simple touring boots, a solid, dark color, without 'in your face' graphics. Something like the Vetter 'Street Feet', just a simple tall boot with a zipper up the side. Any suggestions on a brand or style to home in on? ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:08:17 1996 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 09:01:33 EST From: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) To: mjb@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boots? Beyond that- what I'm looking for are some simple touring boots, a solid, dark color, without 'in your face' graphics. Something like the Vetter 'Street Feet', just a simple tall boot with a zipper up the side. Any suggestions on a brand or style to home in on? I've used Corbin boots for several years now. They work for me and I can wear them all day at the office without feeling uncomfortable. I have nought but good to say about them. Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:12:38 1996 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 8:59:15 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boots? X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway I may be weird, but my boot preference is the standard Corcoran brand "Jump Boot" as it provides all the comfort and support I need. Comes in one color: black, can be purchased with steel toe. For extra added convenience, you can buy a zipper that installs via the laces so that you don't have to tie them up every time.Leather is top quality so you can waterproof them with your favorite shoe glop. Made in USA, not Pakistan or Korea. They look pretty cool too. Go well with Vanson jacket. Retail is about $80. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:17:29 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 09:28:44 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: DC traffic cameras on the 'net Check out http://www.erols.com/tvn/tvn2.htm for current pictures of DC traffic areas. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:23:07 1996 From: Hal@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:20:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Trying to help a new rider... All- A good friend of mine from work is getting into riding. We just got her a prestine '79 Honda CX500 Custom, less than 7K on it. Now, aside from the normal problem associated with a bike that has been sitting, we take it into to Coleman in falls church for an inspection. They failed it based on 'holes in the mufflers' and quoted her upwards of $600 for the new mufflers and labor. These mufflers are not that bad. They have two little rust holes at the very back, but the bike is not overly loud or anything fo the sort. Does anyone have ideas on: 1. Who might pass this bike in the area? 2. Where or how much we can get new or used mufflers for, and the labor involved in installing them? 3. Anyone who might do this kind of work on the side if the above is too labor intensive for a non-mechanically inclined dolt (me) and his clueless friend? She cannot afford this repair, and is now talking about having to sel lthe bike and get out of motorcycling...I'd like to prevent this. Any ideas would be great! Thanks... Hal McCabe Washington DC '95 BMW R1100GSA (The Frau) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 12:10:54 1996 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 12:54:32 edt From: "Michael Dow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Hal@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trying to help a new rider... Take it to a gas station for the inspection. If you do need work done, see Rob at H & H - 730-2833. -Sash ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Trying to help a new rider... Author: Hal@XXXXXX at SMTPGW Date: 13-09-96 11:43 All- A good friend of mine from work is getting into riding. We just got her a prestine '79 Honda CX500 Custom, less than 7K on it. Now, aside from the normal problem associated with a bike that has been sitting, we take it into to Coleman in falls church for an inspection. They failed it based on 'holes in the mufflers' and quoted her upwards of $600 for the new mufflers and labor. These mufflers are not that bad. They have two little rust holes at the very back, but the bike is not overly loud or anything fo the sort. Does anyone have ideas on: 1. Who might pass this bike in the area? 2. Where or how much we can get new or used mufflers for, and the labor involved in installing them? 3. Anyone who might do this kind of work on the side if the above is too labor intensive for a non-mechanically inclined dolt (me) and his clueless friend? She cannot afford this repair, and is now talking about having to sel lthe bike and get out of motorcycling...I'd like to prevent this. Any ideas would be great! Thanks... Hal McCabe Washington DC '95 BMW R1100GSA (The Frau) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 14:12:58 1996 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:12:22 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Hal@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Trying to help a new rider... At 11:20 AM 9/13/96 -0400, Hal@XXXXXX wrote: > . . . We just got her a >prestine '79 Honda CX500 Custom, less than 7K on it. > >Now, aside from the normal problem associated with a bike that has been >sitting, we take it into to Coleman in falls church for an inspection. They >failed it based on 'holes in the mufflers' and quoted her upwards of $600 for >the new mufflers and labor. > >These mufflers are not that bad. They have two little rust holes at the very >back, but the bike is not overly loud or anything fo the sort. At the risk of incurring the wrath of people who really know what they are doing: Since the bike is a '79 and it's a CX500, I'll assume it wasn't bought for posing. I suggest you clean the rust spots and fill them in with $3.00 worth of muffler goop from Trak Auto. It will 'fix' the non-existant problem, then take the bike back to Coleman for your free reinspection. I take my bikes to the local Exxon station where I buy gas. They know the bike because I buy gas there a couple of times a week, they don't work on bikes, so they have no incentive to fail it, but they also are willing to point out anything that is unsafe on the bike. > Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 89Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 17K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 08:52:53 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 08:45:28 EST From: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) To: Dale Coyner , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R1100RT I've got the hots for an R1100RT. If anyone on the list knows of pros and cons concerning this model, please sound off! Thanks Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 10:46:33 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: Hal@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trying to help a new rider... In-Reply-To: <960913112011_307557992@emout04.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As for the muffler ... you can also use muffler tape, or any other jury rig available at Trak, Pep boys, whatever. If you decide you want another muffler there are . . . 1) a bunch of after market mufflers for cheap. Mac for example. call Kirke or Chaperal (sp?) You can find number for both in just about any U.S. motorcycle mag. 2) Buy a used muffler. There's a bunch of used parts places (also found in the back of motorcycle mags with tons of stuff on old biks. Found a muffler for Yamaha XS650 (1977) for $80. good luck john thank you for your continued support From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 14:22:51 1996 From: Hal@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:21:54 -0400 cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trying to help a new rider... THANKS! All- thanks to all of you who responmded to my request for help. Overwhelmingly the response was to take the bike to a gas station. I had no idea you could do this, but it will make my life a lot easier in the future! On a side note, when we went to get the bike from Coleman Powersport, the one in Falls Church, they charged us $55 for 'the work he started to do.' She had authorized the basic service...which included checking out a lot, lubing cables, oil and filter, plugs, etc. So we asked what had been done and why...the service manager told us he had started checking a bunch of things, to 'make sure the bike was worth inspecting...you know, he got into the air filter...compression test...' and that is as fas as he got. I asked him several times what we were being charged an hour labor for, that is as far as he ever got. Now, unless it was Daniel Day Lewis in 'My Left Foot' doing this work, it just does not seem like an hours work. Rather than start a scene, we realized that once again the den of theives had gotten us. Coleman's is the biggest rip-off in the universe. They are criminals. I will never, ever, even if it breaks down in their parking lot, take a bike there again. Nor will I ever shop there, visit, or do anything but tell EVERY motorcyclist I see what a bunch of crooks they are. To add insult to injury, as I am preparing to ride the bike off, the service manager walks over, looks at me, and tells me 'not to forget to turn the choke off when the bike warms up.' I'm standing there with my 'BMW Motorcycle Owners' Shirt on, in an Aerostich and Shoei X-9...and he tells me this in the tone of voice you tell someone who is about to leave for his first ride ever. He can bite me. Coleman's can bite me. I have nothing but loathing for this company and they way I have been treated each and every time I go there. They suck. Phew. There, I feel better now. Thanks again for all your help, and thanks to Coleman for losing the lifetime of business from me and a new rider...they cannot stay in business long if people keep leaving there feeling like we did. Hal McCabe 1995 BMW R1100GSA 'The Frau' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 14:59:16 1996 From: jimi@XXXXXX X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:58:20 -0400 (EDT) To: Hal@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trying to help a new rider... THANKS! In-Reply-To: <960916142154_523673685@emout12.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Coleman's is the biggest rip-off in the universe. They are criminals. I > will never, ever, even if it breaks down in their parking lot, take a bike > there again. Nor will I ever shop there, visit, or do anything but tell > EVERY motorcyclist I see what a bunch of crooks they are. Join the club. I have forbid anyone I know from going there. > He can bite me. Coleman's can bite me. I have nothing but loathing for this > company and they way I have been treated each and every time I go there. > They suck. Yes they do. They are the biggest piece of shit dealer I have ever done business with. They have cheated me, friends of mine out of a considerable amount of money, have very unsavory business practices, over-charge on parts and accessories and in general give all motorcycle dealerships a bad name. > Phew. There, I feel better now. Thanks again for all your help, and thanks > to Coleman for losing the lifetime of business from me and a new rider...they > cannot stay in business long if people keep leaving there feeling like we > did. Unfortunately your wrong about that. There are enough dipshits out there that will drop over list for motorcycles, pay way too much for parts, and continue to get ripped off by their service department; all because they are the "biggest" in the area. "Biggest" is right, assholes. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 15:13:58 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 15:09:57 EST From: "nicholsn" Encoding: 10 Text To: Hal@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Shoei helmet parts source sought Speaking of Colemans, I bought a Shoei X-9 thru mail order a few months back. Wouldn't you know it, the left lower screw that holds the visor lock in place "liberated" itself last weekend. The screw and the visor lock lever are now long gone. Anyone know where I can get these items replaced? I live in Alexandria, VA Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 15:23:59 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:23:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trying to help a new rider... THANKS! One way Coleman makes a lot of dough is financing young guys (and gals) who would not be able to get financing at a bank. I was in there one day and some GIs were gonna buy sport bikes at 21% APR. Do the math on a 3 year loan... Only thing good I can say about the place is that they do have a nice collection of vintage bikes. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 15:40:00 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:40:40 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Colemans Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part C'mon, this isn't particle physics-surely a bunch of folks smart enough to avoid this festering buboe of ineptitude should be able to inform the unwary. Aren't there any consumer organizations worth a damn about this stuff? The way it sounds, it seems like people should be down there with signs or something. Dave RF900R > Coleman's is the biggest rip-off in the universe. They are criminals. I > will never, ever, even if it breaks down in their parking lot, take a bike > there again. Nor will I ever shop there, visit, or do anything but tell > EVERY motorcyclist I see what a bunch of crooks they are. Join the club. I have forbid anyone I know from going there. > He can bite me. Coleman's can bite me. I have nothing but loathing for this > company and they way I have been treated each and every time I go there. > They suck. Yes they do. They are the biggest piece of shit dealer I have ever done business with. They have cheated me, friends of mine out of a considerable amount of money, have very unsavory business practices, over-charge on parts and accessories and in general give all motorcycle dealerships a bad name. > Phew. There, I feel better now. Thanks again for all your help, and thanks > to Coleman for losing the lifetime of business from me and a new rider...they > cannot stay in business long if people keep leaving there feeling like we > did. Unfortunately you're wrong about that. There are enough dipshits out there that will drop over list for motorcycles, pay way too much for parts, and continue to get ripped off by their service department; all because they are the "biggest" in the area. "Biggest" is right, assholes. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 15:40:38 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:40:25 -0400 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Coleman's, WAS: helping a new rider At 02:58 PM 9/16/96 -0400, jimi@XXXXXX wrote: >> Coleman's is the biggest rip-off in the universe. They are criminals. I >> will never, ever, even if it breaks down in their parking lot, take a bike >> there again. Nor will I ever shop there, visit, or do anything but tell >> EVERY motorcyclist I see what a bunch of crooks they are. In Coleman's defense. 1) $55 is their hourly charge. It is posted behind the counter in Woodbridge that their minimum charge is $55. You took it there, you asked them to work on it, therefore the charge is at least $55. Falls Church probably has a sign like that, too. 2) They are the biggest, they have a lot of parts, Sometimes they have a part that no one else does. 3) They also have a nice showroom, I go in there to drool over new bikes. I've never bought one, but none of the sales people bother me about it. Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 89Kmiles '78 Honda CB400A 17K miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 15:53:46 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 16:39:52 edt From: "Michael Dow" To: Hal@XXXXXX, "nicholsn" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shoei helmet parts source sought If you find out, could you let me know? A screw from my RF-200 did the same thing. Perhaps they are together? -Sash ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Shoei helmet parts source sought Author: "nicholsn" at SMTPGW Date: 16-09-96 15:09 Speaking of Colemans, I bought a Shoei X-9 thru mail order a few months back. Wouldn't you know it, the left lower screw that holds the visor lock in place "liberated" itself last weekend. The screw and the visor lock lever are now long gone. Anyone know where I can get these items replaced? I live in Alexandria, VA Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 16:16:04 1996 From: jimi@XXXXXX X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:15:42 -0400 (EDT) To: Dave Choat cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Colemans In-Reply-To: <23dac460@emh3.arl.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Dave Choat wrote: > C'mon, this isn't particle physics-surely a bunch of > folks smart enough to avoid this festering buboe of > ineptitude should be able to inform the unwary. Aren't > there any consumer organizations worth a damn about this > stuff? The way it sounds, it seems like people should be down > there with signs or something. I called the Virginia Department of Consumer Affairs and the Attorney Generals office, after Coleman applied for credit in my name without my permission. They had decided several weeks after I had bought a motorcycle from them, that they weren't happy with the deal, and wanted more moeny from me. I told them where to stuff it, and in turn they submitted my name to Kawasaki Credit to get approx. $300 extra dollars that they wanted. I only found out they had even done this about a week later when I got something in the mail from Kawasaki. I had never even dealt with Kawasaki. This was just their way of F*CKING me out of more money. To me this was, or should be highly illegal. The Consumer Affairs people and the Attorney Generals office could not have given a shit about the whole thing. Your tax dollars at work. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 16:23:30 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 16:17:23 EST From: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) To: "Michael Dow" , Hal@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Shoei helmet parts source sought And perhaps not. ;-) If you find out, could you let me know? A screw from my RF-200 did the same thing. Perhaps they are together? -Sash ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Shoei helmet parts source sought Author: "nicholsn" at SMTPGW Date: 16-09-96 15:09 Speaking of Colemans, I bought a Shoei X-9 thru mail order a few months back. Wouldn't you know it, the left lower screw that holds the visor lock in place "liberated" itself last weekend. The screw and the visor lock lever are now long gone. Anyone know where I can get these items replaced? I live in Alexandria, VA Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 16:29:08 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 16:22:36 EST From: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) To: "Michael Dow" , Hal@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1001 Uses for Colemans: Vol 1 Speaking once more of Colemans. When I was in the market for a new helmet, Rider magazine wrote highly of the Shoei X-9, but said because of perculiar sizing you really had to try one on and not just mail order your usual size. Off I went to the store, wherein I did try several sizes for fit. THEN I called the farkin mail order house, didn't I? Nigel From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 16:58:44 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:53:37 -0400 From: "Christopher A. Meier" Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nicholsn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 1001 Uses for Colemans: Vol 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Although I share the negative sentiment (of what seems to be a majority of those on this list) regarding Coleman, perhaps you should find a dealer you like and support them. I too have done the mail order thing, but if given the choice, I will pay more to support a dealer that provides good service. i.e. I had a problem with my new RF and I annoyed Cycle Sport Herndon a bit until it was resolved, (I'm sure if Dean or any of the guys there are reading this, they are cringing) but the fact that they went the extra mile and got it done to _my_ satisfaction was enough to let me know they are a class operation. I have since purchased a few things from them, knowing that I could get it cheaper thru mail order, in an effort to support them. Mail order is fine, but as for me, a relationship with a _good_ local dealer is worth the extra $$$. chris nicholsn wrote: > > Speaking once more of Colemans. When I was in the market for > a new helmet, Rider magazine wrote highly of the Shoei X-9, > but said because of perculiar sizing you really had to try > one on and not just mail order your usual size. > > Off I went to the store, wherein I did try several sizes for > fit. THEN I called the farkin mail order house, didn't I? > > Nigel -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier Computer Sciences Corporation Washington, DC 1994 Suzuki RF900R AMA #470094 "What it all boils down to, is that no one’s really got it figured out just yet" Alanis Morissette ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 18:45:34 1996 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:48:01 -0700 Organization: NETCOM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman's, WAS: helping a new rider Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, folks, I have to speak up for Colemans. I've used 'em for years. They've always been professional, courteous, and always had the right parts right in stock. Yes, I agree that they charge more than other dealers (I also use other dealers - Mid-State? in Bladensburg. They're terrific.). But they seem always to have what I need right there. And for me, if they charge me twice as much as the other dealer, but the part now costs me $4 instead of $2, it's worth it so I don't have to wait. Time permitting, I do most of my own work so the increased cost of their parts is worth not waiting. I've also had repair work done there, and frankly I didn't think it was outrageous. The work was always done right; never had to take any of my bikes back for a second try. It's expensive to finance the kind of floor-stock they keep around, and I like going in the showroom and seeing the actual bikes instead of brochures. I'm not disputing that some of you have had bad experiences there. Any dealer that size is gonna have both customers who love and hate 'em. But for myself, I've never had a bad experience there. And the expense doesn't seem bad. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 19:10:29 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 18:47:48 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re[2]: Trying to help a new rider... THANKS! Hal wrote: Coleman's is the biggest rip-off in the universe. They are criminals. I will never, ever, even if it breaks down in their parking lot, take a bike there again. Nor will I ever shop there, visit, or do anything but tell EVERY motorcyclist I see what a bunch of crooks they are. D'ya get the feeling people are "cutting and pasting" the above statement? Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1, RD400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 19:12:06 1996 From: BWEINER@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 18:57:49 To: nicholsn@XXXXXX, "Michael Dow" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Shoei helmet parts source sought Can't you call the US Shoei distributor and asks for replacement parts. They may be embarrassed enough to send them to you for free. It has worked for me with other stuff. Bryndyn Weiner email: bweiner@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1, RD400F ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Shoei helmet parts source sought Author: "Michael Dow" at MNGNET Date: 9/16/96 04:39 PM If you find out, could you let me know? A screw from my RF-200 did the same thing. Perhaps they are together? -Sash ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Shoei helmet parts source sought Author: "nicholsn" at SMTPGW Date: 16-09-96 15:09 Speaking of Colemans, I bought a Shoei X-9 thru mail order a few months back. Wouldn't you know it, the left lower screw that holds the visor lock in place "liberated" itself last weekend. The screw and the visor lock lever are now long gone. Anyone know where I can get these items replaced? I live in Alexandria, VA Nigel Nicholson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 01:57:45 1996 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 01:56:17 -0400 (EDT) From: my own worst nightmare To: BWEINER@XXXXXX cc: nicholsn@XXXXXX, Michael Dow , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Shoei helmet parts source sought In-Reply-To: <9608168429.AA842925469@uu2455.marasconewton.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 BWEINER@XXXXXX wrote: > Can't you call the US Shoei distributor and asks for replacement > parts. They may be embarrassed enough to send them to you for free. > It has worked for me with other stuff. could be that i missed something here, but ANY shoei dealer should have an ample supply of spare parts for their helmets... those screws are common; i know, i work in a parts dept. if anyone wants to know anything else, let me know seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 12:25:20 1996 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 12:03:07 EST From: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) To: cmeier1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: 1001 Uses for Colemans: Vol 1 Mail order is fine, but as for me, a relationship with a _good_ local dealer is worth the extra $$$. chris Chris, when I priced the X-9 at a dealer I was quoted $520. I ordered one through mail for $290. Nigel From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 12:56:12 1996 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:59:10 -0400 (EDT) From: James Williams To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: 1001 Uses for Colemans: Vol 1 In-Reply-To: <9608178429.AA842986987@smtp-gw.optec.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Mail order is fine, but as for me, a relationship with a _good_ local > dealer is worth the extra $$$. > > chris > > Chris, when I priced the X-9 at a dealer I was quoted $520. I > ordered one through mail for $290. > > Nigel I have to agree with Chris. Nigel has a good point thought. $520 is a rediculous price to pay for a solid X-9. I talked to the parts guy at a shop I deal with a lot and he said the following: a) Dealerships have a lot more overhead than mail order places. Dealerships hire young motorcycle enthusiasts who can help us find parts, inform us about new stuff, and chat us up nicely on a Saturday afternoon. Dealerships stock items so we can try them on. Mail order houses rarely stock anything. They order it when you order from them. b) Mail order houses have a nationwide market. Dealerships have to rely on their local clientele. c) If you bring the mail order add to your local dealership often they will come down in price to keep your business. They can't always match it but often they can come within 10% or 15% of the price. I believe in the free market. I like having the mail order business around to keep the dealers on their toes. But I also like to be able to drive 15 min to a shop and see the product I want to buy. If we don't support our local shops (dealers or accessories) they might not carry all that nifty stuff for us to look at. Sorry about the long E-mail. Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 13:36:57 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: Balt-Cycles List , DC-Cycles List , "'Motolist'" , NJ-Cycles List Subject: Leather Pants Report Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 13:13:00 EST Encoding: 269 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Caution: Message Cross Posted [hit delete if seen] This is really late follow up but several weeks ago I had asked about weather proofing leather. The original question and several responses are below. I ended up going with a bees wax compound and while it hasn't really been truly tested, it seems like a good choice. I just wanted to share the responses with everyone so they could learn like I did. Not all answers were seen by all the lists that I asked on. Bill (Moses) McLoone '82 Suzuki GS-450TXz (SOLD) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (all mine) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" Bill McLoone wrote: > >I just received a pair of leather jean cut pants and wanted to know what you >would recommend for a waterproof (resistant) treatment. > >My first thought was to run out to the MC shop (I got the pants mail order) >and get some of the Hein Gericke leather treatment. Then I thought about >how I was using some Mink Oil on my boots last night and started >wondering if that would work since I already have it. > >What do you folks use to keep all your leather wear protected from the >elements? Would Mink Oil be okay? Do I just get the HG treatment? Is >there something else even better? ******** I use Lexol, which is probably similar to the HG treatment. I've got a small bottle of stuff from Vanson, and it looks like Lexol, too. You can get it at some motorcycle shops, tack shops, and upholstry places. Works great and I've heard it recommended many times. I think mink oil is better suited to boots, and even in that context I've heard negative things about it. Just hearsay, though. Greg '92 Ducati 907ie, in black ******** I managed to wrangle some leather treatment from the dealer when I bought my HG jacket, so I use that. It works well, as would, IMHO, any product recommended from a reputable leather store (i.e. not a chain store like some found at the mall). My Scout jacket has been around for two years now, and is none the worse for wear. Kaz _________J__o__h__n_____K__a__z__m__i__e__r__c__z__a__k_________ ******** I have used the Hein Gericke waterproofing spray, and the Scotch Guard for Leather spray. They appear to be the same thing. They appear to work OK for a little drizzle, and my leathers have not been ruined even though I ride through rain without a rainsuit every once in a while. However, they don't really work well enough to protect you in any kind of real rain. They don't turn your leathers into a rainsuit. Not even close. On my boots I use this stuff from RiderWarehouse called (I think) Hydroseal or something. It comes in a tub (like mink oil), but it's silicon based. It goes on thick & slimy, and three coats really goops up the seams. Three coats also leaves a white, waxy residue on my boots. The waterproofing is fantastic; way beyond what you get with the sprays. With this treatment, I don't need rain booties most of the time. I have not tried it on my leathers, mainly because I put on a rainsuit when it's wet. It would probably work much better than the sprays, but still not match even a lousy rainsuit. Oh, yeah... it would also leave you crusted with white waxy stuff. (disclaimer: the directions say to use one or two coats. I use three extremely heavy coats because nothing works like overkill). Mike Pagan (mikep@XXXXXX) '96 Ducati 900ss-sp ******** The fella that built my chaps for me many years ago recommended neatsfoot oil. You can get it in small bottles at most grocery/department stores, or in larger quantities in stores that cater to the hay-burner riders. His recommendation with the chaps, when they were brand new, was to lay them out on the driveway on a sunny day to get them nice and warm, then dump about half a bottle on each leg, spread it around as evenly as you can, then let it soak in. The chaps I'm still wearing were made in '85, although they're a bit rougher now than then, they still look pretty good. Used the same technique on my leather jacket, and was quite rain-resistant except in the most serious of downpours, when most sensible cyclists wouldn't be out riding anyway. Oh, and if the leather is worn daily, he recommended re-oiling at monthly intervals, though not with nearly as much neatsfoot oil as the initial application. Joibo, ymmv, as always. Laterz. Doug Morse '81 FLH dlnk_dem@XXXXXX ps... one word of caution, though... if you plan on wearing dress clothes under the leathers, the oil can tend to stain them a little. Since I have to wear non-jeans/non-tshirts most days, I've taken to leaving my work clothes in the office, and changing on arrival/pre-departure. Oh, for the days of black t-shirts and blue jeans on days besides Fridays. ******** > The fella that built my chaps for me many years ago recommended > neatsfoot oil. >Doug When I got my new leather pants I went looking for Neatsfoot oil. the guy at the leather place said not to use it as it was too oily and stained stuff and wasn't as good as the modern products. He recommended a product called Lexol. it is a thin white liquid that goes on easy and neet and dries to a waxed finish that is water proof, protects the leather, and will not rub off or stain anything. I used it to do all my coats, gloves, pants, I have done a lot with that $6 bottles and I haven't used 1/2 of it. Lexol is avalible at most leather shops. JMHO Jay David Wolf Vincennes University Vincennes, Indiana ******** It's a fairly complicated subject. First of all you must determine how the leather was tanned. There is oil tanning and the other method, which I can't seem to remember the name of right now. Most leather is not oil-tanned; typically it will say so if it is. I don't know the advantages of each, except that oil-tanned leather cannot be brought to a high polish with wax (not a big concern with me). I bought a pair of oil-tanned boots recently which came with fairly detailed care instructions. The bootmaker was pretty emphatic in insisting that no products with silicone additives be used. Silicone is quite effective in waterproofing, so it is commonly used in leather care products. However, it was asserted that silicone's lubricative properties would get into the leather and allow the leather fibers to pull apart, thus weakening the leather. Seems reasonable to me, though I'd like to examine leather under a high-powered microscope sometime to see how that might happen. The boot manufacturer recommended a product called "bee oil", which seems to work pretty well. Dunno what's in it. Oil-tanned leather tends to absorb completely the treatments used on it. I don't know how much this would apply to non-oil-tanned leather. However, I would assume they must absorb something, since one of the major purposes of leather treatment is keeping the leather pliable so that it doesn't dry out and crack - once it gets to that point it has lost much of its strength and abrasion resistance. The guy who replaced the zipper in my leather jacket treated it with Lexol, which has a fairly good reputation. I don't know if it has silicone in it or not, but I would guess that it doesn't, since water didn't "bead up" on my jacket when I went out in the rain. Lexol is somewhat pricey and typically only found in places where leather products are sold, such as tack shops. I don't know how it compares in price or performance to HG's product. Tom Biggs biggs@XXXXXX tom.biggs@XXXXXX ******** Well, I use mink oil on my boots, and it waterproofs fairly well (as you've probably noticed with your boots), except that mine still leak like a seive where the rubber sole has separated from the leather upper a bit. :-( I bought the Hein Gericke stuff for use on my jacket & pants (both from HG), and, well, I'm not sure how well it works in heavy rain (I have a rain suit for that). During short periods of light rain, the water does not bead up, but it doesn't get through, either. The best thing about the HG stuff is that the Cleaner/Conditioner (a white liquid, separate from the water-resistant spray stuff) seems to clean the leather very well, and keeps the leather in really good condition. As a side note, the HG water-resistant spray stuff makes a point of saying that it does not make the leather waterPROOF, and goes on to say that treatments that make leather waterPROOF also do bad things to the leather. I can bring in the bottle and quote from it, if anyone wants me to. Debbie found a bottle of Scotch Guard Leather Protectant spray, that claims to be 10 times more waterproof than mink oil (although I'm not sure shrink-wrap plastic could rightfully make that claim). Just as a test, I sprayed it on my gloves. Next ride in the rain... my gloves soaked through like there was nothing on them. On the other hand (or foot), Debbie says they work very well on her boots, and she has yet to have her feet get wet, even in heavy rain. I don't claim to understand it, I'm just telling you what we've observed. If anyone out there knows of a good source of information on leather care & waterproofing, please let me know. Maybe I'll stop by local tack shop on the way home to see what they have to say... Dave Sutter (sutter@XXXXXX) ******** I don't have leather pants but I use mink oil on my jacket and am pleased with the results. dj ******** Well, I stopped by. Their recommendation was mink oil for boots, gloves, jackets, pants... pretty much everything. They had recently gotten a product called "Nikwax", that claims to be a waterproofing agent, but they hadn't tried it yet. Incidentally, I mentioned Lexol to them, and they had several different kinds of it, but it wasn't for waterproofing, it was a leather conditioning agent. (That doesn't mean that Lexol doesn't sell such a product, but they had never heard of it.) Dave Sutter (sutter@XXXXXX) ******** I use Mink oil on all of my leather. It works great! Carl B. ******** btw, someone mentioned Lexol before... you can usually buy that at car-care places too, since lots of people use it for leather seats. bill ******** Mink oil will work for a time. It requires periodic reapplication, especially after heavy rains. WARNING: Do *NOT* use mink oil if the pants have cotton stitching. Mink oil causes cotton stitching to rot, possibly causing seam failure at a crucial moment. The HG treatment is likely overpriced Lexol. You can get Lexol in larger quantities more cheaply at a tack (horse leather) shop. Lexol is likely as good as it gets in leather treatment (horse people trust their saddles to it, and saddles are *MUCH* more expensive than motorcycle leathers). None of these treatments will really water*proof* the leather so much as they will condition it. If you want to try to water*proof* the leather, first condition it (preferably with Lexol), then use Sno-Seal and a hair dryer. Sno-Seal is the standard by which all other waterproofers are judged, and it's not all that expensive. You should be able to find it at most army surplus or camping stores. Chrispy ******** I have watched various attempts at sealing leathers and have yet to find a solution that is 100%. I use Snow Seal on my boots and it works well for all but the longest downpours. Then they only got slightly damp. So little in fact I wasn't really sure. SS is a bees wax based product so I don't know how well it would work on leathers. Instead I rely on rain gear. I'll be getting a pair of Totes to go over my shoes or boots, and a good pair or rain proof over-gloves. I can then just keep a good leather conditiioner on the jacket and (someday) pants. I'm also going to look at a new suit that is designed to be waterproof as soon as Tom gets some in stock. They are supposedly garunteed to be water proof. We'll see. They are priced ~$400. 2 cents worth from this coast. Woody From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 13:56:59 1996 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:53:55 -0400 From: Joey Boy Organization: The George Washington University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1001 Uses for Colemans: Vol 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Coleman's has no defense You must be a Coleman employee. Until you sit down with their sales people and witness their tactics from the side of the victim you have no idea of what kind of business they are. Yes point #3 (below)is nice. They have a nice showroom. But since dealing with them I use their show room when I am out riding and I need to take a real mean stinky crap. Then I can act like I want to buy a bike and make a big scene. I make sure to fill the parking lot with plenty of smoke so I can buy new tires somewhere else. They have a nice place out by Potomac Mills to take a crap too. It has very nice restrooms much better than the Fall Church facility. So if you want to take a "dump" on organized crime scoot on down to Coleman's and crap your ass off! At least their shop is good for something ;^) Leon Begeman wrote: > > At 02:58 PM 9/16/96 -0400, jimi@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Coleman's is the biggest rip-off in the universe. They are criminals. I > >> will never, ever, even if it breaks down in their parking lot, take a bike > >> there again. Nor will I ever shop there, visit, or do anything but tell > >> EVERY motorcyclist I see what a bunch of crooks they are. > > In Coleman's defense. > 1) $55 is their hourly charge. It is posted behind the counter in > Woodbridge that their minimum charge is $55. You took it there, you asked > them to work on it, therefore the charge is at least $55. Falls Church > probably has a sign like that, too. > > 2) They are the biggest, they have a lot of parts, Sometimes they have a > part that no one else does. > > 3) They also have a nice showroom, I go in there to drool over new bikes. > I've never bought one, but none of the sales people bother me about it. > > Leon Begeman mrider@XXXXXX Home (703) 590-9073 > '83 Honda CX650C 124K miles, '83 Honda GL650I 89Kmiles > '78 Honda CB400A 17K miles -- __ __ (__\ _______ /__) X X / \_____/ \ <::__<_>__::> \:\_/^\_/:/ 0-|`-------'|-0 \ / --| |/_\| |-- \ || || / \|| ||/ | | \_/ '96 HONDA CBR900RR(T) I didn't buy it at COLEMAN'S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 11:47:52 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:45:26 -0400 From: Jeremy Wallace Organization: The Education Trust X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt@XXXXXX CC: jwallace@XXXXXX Subject: aerostitch: one piece or two? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm about to invest in an aerostitch. I'm just trying to figure out if I should get the one-piece or the two-piece. Is the two-piece more leaky? When it's zipped together is it as comfortable as the one-piece? Is there a significant price difference between the two? Can I get the two pieces in different colors and still have them mate (ok, that's probably a silly question, but just in case...)? I ride an unfaired hawk, so I might want a tight suit, according to the literature. But I also ride year-round in Washington, DC. So I might want a loose suit for stuffing clothes under. Any thoughts there? Jeremy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:27:29 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 13:14:19 edt From: "Joe Snider" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: electrical problems My 1980 Yamaha 400 Special recently blew out its main fuse. It was apparently a rather impressive load on the fuse since much of the plastic around the clips was melted through the box. I have invested in a voltmeter and have my instructions in my manual on how to properly test the voltage regulator and alternator. I am guessing it is the voltage regulator, but I thought I would see if anybody had any other suggestions. Thank you, in advance, Joe Snider From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:28:21 1996 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 12:40:53 +0600 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: aerostitch: one piece or two? On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:45:26 -0400, Jeremy Wallace wrote: >I'm about to invest in an aerostitch. I'm just trying to figure out if I >should get the one-piece or the two-piece. Is the two-piece more leaky? >When it's zipped together is it as comfortable as the one-piece? Is >there a significant price difference between the two? Can I get the two >pieces in different colors and still have them mate (ok, that's probably >a silly question, but just in case...)? > >I ride an unfaired hawk, so I might want a tight suit, according to the >literature. But I also ride year-round in Washington, DC. So I might >want a loose suit for stuffing clothes under. Any thoughts there? > >Jeremy I have a two-piece, and may buy a one-piece next time I buy an Aerostich. I've never ridden with only the jacket (due to safety) and have used the jacket by itself only twice in several years -- usually my under-Aerostich clothes are all I need when I get off the bike. The one-piece is probably more comfortable if you have excessive girth, because the two-piece has two layers of cloth where the jacket overlaps the pants.. Also, donning the two-piece you have one extra zipper to do (the one-piece has a single zipper from left ankle to neck). When I sit, I 'blouse' the front of the jacket over the top of the pants, and I think this may help shed rain. A friend with a one-piece reported some leakage from water puddling in a fold in front of his belly. My suit is loose in the summer, which I like, to let ventilating air circulate. Behind the small fairing on my bike, I have very little cloth-flapping problem. The suit is big enough to get my electric vest, a fleece jacket, and a windbreaker underneath the jacket, and long underwear, jeans or wool pants, and windpants under the pants. That's enough to see me through some pretty cold weather (15 degrees). Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX http://www.os2bbs.com -- Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS -- telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:36:42 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 12:36:16 EDT X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Jeremy Wallace From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: aerostitch: one piece or two? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:45 AM 9/19/96 -0400, you wrote: >I'm about to invest in an aerostitch. I'm just trying to figure out if I >should get the one-piece or the two-piece. Is the two-piece more leaky? >When it's zipped together is it as comfortable as the one-piece? Is >there a significant price difference between the two? Can I get the two >pieces in different colors and still have them mate (ok, that's probably >a silly question, but just in case...)? >I ride an unfaired hawk, so I might want a tight suit, according to the >literature. But I also ride year-round in Washington, DC. So I might >want a loose suit for stuffing clothes under. Any thoughts there? Cool! I have a modified Hawk and 'Stich, and used it to ride most of last winter here in DC (not during the actual snow this year). I have a 44L which is the same as my jacket size, although I had a few inches added to the legs to accommodate my 38" inseam. They are cut plenty big enough for layering underneath, especially if you take the pads out (I never have, though). I bought a Widder electric vest and gloves and found that I didn't need to much else underneath (just a pile jacket). The thermostat fits nicely in the left thigh pocket, cords through the zippered opening on the left hip. I have no experience with the two-piece. It was more expensive, I thought that it would be too bulky around the waist in a bent-over position, and I already had a leather jacket if I ever want to go without the pants. I love the suit. It really is comfortable on 90-degree days (as long as you're moving), and with layers and electrics I was pretty comfortable down to the low 30's. I did ride a couple of mornings in the teens, and mostly had problems keeping my fingers and toes warm. I recommend their Combat Touring Boots, too. Not cheap, and they take several weeks to break in, but are great once you do. David Mackintosh '87 Integra RS, '96 Integra SE mackinto@XXXXXX '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 Germantown, MD, USA '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:50:36 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 12:43:49 EST From: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) To: Jeremy Wallace , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt@XXXXXX Cc: jwallace@XXXXXX Subject: Re: aerostitch: one piece or two? Jeremy: I use a one-piece and like it. It's fairly tight on me, but I can comfortably wear electric vest and chaps under it. One time I wore my BMW leather bib-suit under it. Talk about heavily armoured ;-) Nigel ===================================================================== I'm about to invest in an aerostitch. I'm just trying to figure out if I should get the one-piece or the two-piece. Is the two-piece more leaky? When it's zipped together is it as comfortable as the one-piece? Is there a significant price difference between the two? Can I get the two pieces in different colors and still have them mate (ok, that's probably a silly question, but just in case...)? I ride an unfaired hawk, so I might want a tight suit, according to the literature. But I also ride year-round in Washington, DC. So I might want a loose suit for stuffing clothes under. Any thoughts there? Jeremy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:59:36 1996 From: "Mike" To: "Jeremy Wallace" , , Cc: Subject: Re: aerostitch: one piece or two? Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:02:38 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just how much do Aerostitch's cost????? ---------- > From: Jeremy Wallace > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; hawkgt@XXXXXX > Cc: jwallace@XXXXXX > Subject: aerostitch: one piece or two? > Date: Thursday, September 19, 1996 10:45 AM > > I'm about to invest in an aerostitch. I'm just trying to figure out if I > should get the one-piece or the two-piece. Is the two-piece more leaky? > When it's zipped together is it as comfortable as the one-piece? Is > there a significant price difference between the two? Can I get the two > pieces in different colors and still have them mate (ok, that's probably > a silly question, but just in case...)? > > I ride an unfaired hawk, so I might want a tight suit, according to the > literature. But I also ride year-round in Washington, DC. So I might > want a loose suit for stuffing clothes under. Any thoughts there? > > Jeremy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 14:28:32 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 14:28:00 EDT X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Mike" From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: aerostitch: one piece or two? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:02 PM 9/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >Just how much do Aerostitch's cost????? $650-700, less than a set of good race leathers, and much more versatile. Probably as good or better impact protection but maybe not as good abrasion resistance. David Mackintosh '87 Integra RS, '96 Integra SE mackinto@XXXXXX '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 Germantown, MD, USA '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 14:52:52 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 14:43:33 EST From: nicholsn@XXXXXX (nicholsn) To: "Mike" , jwallace@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: aerostitch: one piece or two? $640 or so. ====================================================== Just how much do Aerostitch's cost????? ---------- > From: Jeremy Wallace > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; hawkgt@XXXXXX > Cc: jwallace@XXXXXX > Subject: aerostitch: one piece or two? > Date: Thursday, September 19, 1996 10:45 AM > > I'm about to invest in an aerostitch. I'm just trying to figure out if I > should get the one-piece or the two-piece. Is the two-piece more leaky? > When it's zipped together is it as comfortable as the one-piece? Is > there a significant price difference between the two? Can I get the two > pieces in different colors and still have them mate (ok, that's probably > a silly question, but just in case...)? > > I ride an unfaired hawk, so I might want a tight suit, according to the > literature. But I also ride year-round in Washington, DC. So I might > want a loose suit for stuffing clothes under. Any thoughts there? > > Jeremy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 15:25:09 1996 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:24:25 PST Subject: Re: electrical problems Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) > My 1980 Yamaha 400 Special recently blew out its main fuse. It was > apparently a rather impressive load on the fuse since much of the > plastic around the clips was melted through the box. I have invested > in a voltmeter and have my instructions in my manual on how to > properly test the voltage regulator and alternator. I am guessing it > is the voltage regulator, but I thought I would see if anybody had any > other suggestions. Always suspect your own accessories first. Is their anything on your bike which is not stock? Running lights, electric vest, driving light, headlight modulator, etc. ? North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 15:40:32 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:43:01 -0400 From: The Flying Dutchman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electrical problems "Joe Snider" , you said: * * My 1980 Yamaha 400 Special recently blew out its main fuse. It was * apparently a rather impressive load on the fuse since much of the * plastic around the clips was melted through the box. I have invested * in a voltmeter and have my instructions in my manual on how to * properly test the voltage regulator and alternator. I am guessing it * is the voltage regulator, but I thought I would see if anybody had any * other suggestions. * * Thank you, in advance, * * Joe Snider * Fuses *do* wear. Buy a few new ones. If the first one blows, then, and only then, do you have a real problem. The extras are to get you home. Good luck to 'ya. L8r, P8r. pverst1@XXXXXX =;) "People are DNA's way of making more DNA."(Edward O. Wilson, 1975) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 16:23:47 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:22:52 -0400 From: World Wide Weiss Organization: The Bill Gates Defamation League X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bad Ass Biker Gang Subject: Re: aerostitch: one piece or two? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeremy Wallace wrote: > I'm about to invest in an aerostitch. I'm just trying to figure > out if Inshould get the one-piece or the two-piece. A friend of mine has one of each; a two-piece for all-year riding and the one-piece for cold weather. The one-piece is sized just a "skosh" bigger to allow for sweaters, scarves, etc. He got a bib for the pants on the two-piece because he says if you walk around enough the pants will start to fall down and it can get embarrassing. > Can I get the two pieces in different colors and still have them > mate He got the black jacket with gray highlights and the gray pants with black highlights. It looks pretty sharp. >Just how much do Aerostitch's cost????? When you call them up, ask if they have any that were rejected for imperfections in sewing, etc. or if they have any that were used in photo shoots or something like that. If they have them available, you will get a MAJOR discount. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX 6800 Virginia Manor Road Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 22:44:25 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: rac3.wam.umd.edu: deq owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:36:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan Twain Eubank To: mpsmith@XXXXXX cc: Balt-Cycles List , DC-Cycles List , "'Motolist'" , NJ-Cycles List Subject: "Gather 'Round Me Riders" In-Reply-To: <199609171722.AA09848@medlantic.mhg.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got something I think you all will be interested in, at least the riders out there amoung you. It's a cassette tape of poetry, set to music, written by Mark Edmonds. He talks of riding, riding buddies, and rides yet taken better than I've ever heard it expressed. The cassettes are eight dollars apiece, and Mark asks that you include an additional eighty five cents to cover postage. This is something Mark does out of his home, one biker to another. In fact Mark rides an '84 BMW R100RT. Bob F. and Mr. Bill, I think you guys will especially apriciate this work. So do yourselves a favor, send $8.85 to: Mark Edmonds Gather 'Round Me Riders Postal Drawer S St. Leo, FL 33574 In fact you may want to get a couple since winter's coming and your riding buddies need stocking stuffers for Christmas. Rubberside down. John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 08:17:02 1996 From: kwells@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 07:46:25 EDT Subject: RE: aerostitch: one piece or two? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt@XXXXXX, Jeremy Wallace , yahawk@XXXXXX Cc: jwallace@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:45:26 -0400 Jeremy Wallace wrote: >I'm about to invest in an aerostitch. I'm just trying to figure out if I >should get the one-piece or the two-piece. Is the two-piece more leaky? >When it's zipped together is it as comfortable as the one-piece? Is >there a significant price difference between the two? Can I get the two >pieces in different colors and still have them mate (ok, that's probably >a silly question, but just in case...)? > >I ride an unfaired hawk, so I might want a tight suit, according to the >literature. But I also ride year-round in Washington, DC. So I might >want a loose suit for stuffing clothes under. Any thoughts there? > >Jeremy Invest in right! Man are they expensive! I bought mine used from a friend and worked out great. I got the two-piece. Many more advantages over the 1piece. In the heat of the summer, you can just wear the top with jeans and boots and works good or if you camp off your GT like we do, the jacket doubles as a campfire jacket. The aerostitch is not 100% waterproof. If you want waterproof, get the Darien jacket and pants with liner for warmth. You can get the stitch' in any asortment of colors either top or bottoms with different colors on the balistics. Mating is never a problem, as long as its male and female..;-).. Most stitch' will leak slightly around a particular zipper....in the crouch area.. You will need to get some Scotch Guard and spray the suit after you wash it. This will help in waterproofing the material,,,but zippers are not fully waterproof. In drizzel rain and most showers, you'll keep dry, but in a heavy downpour, you may get a small wet spot here and there. I've also found that without the liner, it is not a warm suit in the winter, and it is too hot above 85 degrees. The confortable range for me is 50 to 85 degrees. Below 50, my wife and I ride with the Gerbing Insulated electric suits....wow..do they work good for late fall to eary spring riding...an excellent suit. IMOP...for the best all around suit on the market..you can't go wrong with the stitch', but I would look hard at the Darien two piece..if it only had balistics...it would be the suit of choise!! Kent (kw) 88' HawkGT "bullet" 90' HawkGT "rose'" 95' XR200 "slugo" 91' XR100 "tiny" ------------------------------------- E-mail: kwells@XXXXXX (kent wells) Date: 09/20/96 Time: 07:46:25 "Happiness comes from within." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 09:37:05 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:36:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point Forever, Please In a message dated 96-09-20 09:05:18 EDT, jimb@XXXXXX (Jim Brooking) writes: << Also, not to be a party pooper, but try and ride nicely. The townsfolk keep calling and complaining about speeding/loud bikes. They've already thrown a decibel limit on race bikes at the track. :( >> Let me underscore what Jim has said. I have been going to Summit Point for 21 years; I race cars there now (Formula Ford). We are way lucky to have such a nice track so nearby. Bill Scott has been making an effort to be considerate of his neighbors after they complained of noise and speed on the surrounding public roads. If you gotta do your Kenny Roberts thing do it on the most excellent section of Rt 9 between Hillsboro and the river; but please chill on the many roads that lead to the track. I definitely will be depressed if the track is ever closed and converted to another stinking real estate development. It has happened to other good tracks. If you are at the track tomorrow morning, stop by and see me. FF #77. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 09:56:07 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: electrical problems Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 09:47:00 EST Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I had a main fuse problem earlier this summer which left me stranded in NJ. After the local shop, Woodbridge Cycles were I would never go again, spent several days on it, it boiled down to some insulation which rubbed of a few wires under the gas tank. Electrical gremlins are fun, good luck. Bill (Moses) McLoone '82 Suzuki GS-450TXz (SOLD) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (all mine) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" ---------- From: dc-cycles-request%cs.UMD.EDU To: dc-cycles%cs.umd.edu Subject: electrical problems Date: Thursday, September 19, 1996 1:14PM My 1980 Yamaha 400 Special recently blew out its main fuse. It was apparently a rather impressive load on the fuse since much of the plastic around the clips was melted through the box. I have invested in a voltmeter and have my instructions in my manual on how to properly test the voltage regulator and alternator. I am guessing it is the voltage regulator, but I thought I would see if anybody had any other suggestions. Thank you, in advance, Joe Snider From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 04:29:45 1996 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:17:38 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Truck Trade To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2377DA60.1950@ccmail.irs.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Randy Chartier wrote: > keep the truck, you will probably need it to haul around > your sportster..... No Randy,he said Sportster,not Buell. :-P The official Wash HD BuellBoy Genes Model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Ltng GATB#1121 HSB#38DT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 04:39:05 1996 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:25:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Re[2]: 1001 Uses for Colemans: Vol 1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9608178429.AA842986987@smtp-gw.optec.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, nicholsn wrote: > Mail order is fine, but as for me, a relationship with a _good_ local > dealer is worth the extra $$$. > Chris, when I priced the X-9 at a dealer I was quoted $520. I > ordered one through mail for $290. I bought my RF-700 from Wash HD/Clinton Cycles for $219.I went there to try one on,and after calling a couple mail order places,found out that they were about $5 cheaper.I seem to recall their tire prices were decent,too. The official Wash HD BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Ltng GATB#1121 HSB#38DT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 05:42:52 1996 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 05:15:25 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: PA Trip Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I just got back from my vacation in my hometown in PA(Telford,if anyone has any idea where that is).It had it's ups and downs. UPS:The weather was pretty good for the most part.Not much rain and not too hot.The roads were way cool.Lots of backroad twisties with little/no traffic and nice sceanery.Most of them were even in good shape(amazing for PA).I also got to go to my first hillclimb in Freemansburg.I'd only ever seen them on TV before.After looking up the hill I made up my mind that I was not going to try hillclimbing for my next hobby.It was almost straight up!The surprising part was the bikes that made the best runs.They were 2 stroke singles.There were only 3 Harleys,and one of them didn't even make it up.A couple of the bikes were also running mixtures with model airplane fuel. Phew.Every gnat within a five mile radius was dead by the end of the day.ESPN was covering the event.I don't know if it was live or if you can still catch it on TV. DOWNS:I had a couple close calls with some BDC's.If you're on the and see a pair of Land Rover Discoverys(one white,one green)pull over and let 'em pass.They're psychos(they also have VA tags with close #'s).I reported them to the cops,but don't know if they got them.I also had the neg lead on my battery snap twice.Once at a light,once when comming down I95 at about 70mph in the pouring rain.Not fun.Can you say 'time for another recall'? :-P Well,I'd like to say it's nice to be home again,but I'd be lying to you all.Anyone notice a difference in local drivers since that guy got convicted for the GW Parkway mess? The official Wash HD BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Ltng GATB#1121 HSB#38DT "Always mount a scratch monkey." Vax Tech "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr "Auto-Darwin the ignorant." D. Sorenson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 10:35:29 1996 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.3) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 10:35:00 -0400 To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: PA Trip Report cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gil wrote: > DOWNS:I had a couple close calls with some BDC's.If you're on the > and see a pair of Land Rover Discoverys(one white,one green)pull > over and let 'em pass.They're psychos(they also have VA tags with > close > #'s).I reported them to the cops,but don't know if they got them.I > also had the neg lead on my battery snap twice.Once at a light,once > when comming down I95 at about 70mph in the pouring rain.Not > fun.Can you say 'time for another recall'? :-P Has this ever happened to you at the pentagon? A landrover collided with me once ON PURPOSE leaving south parking, going onto northbound 110. I had accidently gained an advantageous traffic position leaving the parking lot. He started tailgating me. So I pulled over to the side to let him pass, and his rear panel sideswiped me taking a chunk of my front fairing with him. I was utterly astonished, and felt helpless. -pierre From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 23:14:44 1996 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 23:02:00 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: PA Trip Report To: Thomas Piergallini cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199609221435.KAA07596@nova.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, Thomas Piergallini wrote: > Gil wrote: > > DOWNS:I had a couple close calls with some BDC's.If you're on the > > and see a pair of Land Rover Discoverys(one white,one green)pull > > over and let 'em pass.They're psychos(they also have VA tags with > > close > > #'s).I reported them to the cops,but don't know if they got them.I > > also had the neg lead on my battery snap twice. > Has this ever happened to you at the pentagon? A landrover > collided with me once ON PURPOSE leaving south parking, going onto > northbound 110. I had accidently gained an advantageous traffic > position leaving the parking lot. He started tailgating me. So I > pulled over to the side to let him pass, and his rear panel > sideswiped me taking a chunk of my front fairing with him. I was > utterly astonished, and felt helpless. I've been lucky,but I've heard some horror stories from friends about Pentagon traffic.Our Chief got messed up in his car last year comming into South Parking.I have had a couple close calls in the crosswalks. Did you get the guy's plate #?You've definitely got a 'hit-and- run' there. The official Wash HD BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Ltng GATB#1121 HSB#38DT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 00:45:30 1996 From: kbass@XXXXXX (Ken Bass) To: "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: Thomas Piergallini , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PA Trip Report Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:42:25 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 You know those gung-ho-the-ends-justify-the-means-right-wing-military-mentality folks. They probably felt that they were giving you some battle scars and you'd be all the better from the discipline. Atten-hut! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 08:48:07 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:45:39 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: PA Trip Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Gil Nissley wrote: Hi all, >Anyone notice a difference in local drivers since that >guy got convicted for the GW Parkway mess? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I haven't, I damn near got ran into a guardrail the other day by a psycho driving a grey citation with a courier sign reading "Cheaspeake Couriers" on it. I was so mad I could have bitten through my helmet. I really wanted to hurt that idiot. He was making everybody else on the road behave badly. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 09:36:08 1996 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <324614ad.7950648@mail.fred.net> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.3) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 09:44:00 -0400 To: kbass@XXXXXX (Ken Bass) Subject: Re: PA Trip Report cc: "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ken wrote: > You know those > gung-ho-the-ends-justify-the-means-right-wing-military-mentality > folks. They probably felt that they were giving you some battle > scars and you'd be all the better from the discipline. Atten-hut! > > Wrong guess. It was a civilian in an armani suit! The entire car was filled with civilians. A military member would face jail time, for attempting such an act. Civilians, most of who live their life never engaging in any acts of honor, are the stereotype scum that endanger the lives of motorcyclists. Almost all military members I have ever come across were pro-mototcyclist. Also IMHO and as a general rule the gung-ho-the-ends-justify-the-means-right-wing-military-mentality folks respect motorcylists for their pursuit of the freedoms the para-military types hold dear. (Please pause while I adjust my NRA belt buckle) Very much unlike the herd cager mentality. :-) --- Thomas Piergallini NVIAC Network Manager 3Com Primary Access Network Engineer EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me NeXTmail and MIME From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 23:18:43 1996 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:58:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: PA Trip Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199609231344.JAA26092@nova.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Thomas Piergallini wrote: > Ken wrote: > > You know those > > gung-ho-the-ends-justify-the-means-right-wing-military-mentality > > folks. They probably felt that they were giving you some battle > > scars and you'd be all the better from the discipline. Atten-hut! > Wrong guess. It was a civilian in an armani suit! The entire car > was filled with civilians. A military member would face jail time, > for attempting such an act. Civilians, most of who live their life > never engaging in any acts of honor, are the stereotype scum that > endanger the lives of motorcyclists. Yar,I hear ya.Ever since they opened the new commissary on Ft Myer, the crosswalk near the main gate is a suicide run.All those retiries, dependants,and diplomats that can't understand what "pedestrians have right of way" means. > Almost all military members I > have ever come across were pro-mototcyclist. Actually,it's been my experience that the military isn't real big on bikes.They make us wear disco vests and you have to report to the unit motorcycle monitor when you get a bike.I've only ever seen one unit that had any special place to park bikes.When I was stationed in England,we used to stick are bikes under the courtyard pavilion in really bad weather and every time the SP's would be out telling us to move them.We finally got permission to use it after we complained for about a year. Just to give an example of what I've seen,when I was in Texas,we had a guy kill himself on a bike.He got drunk,then took an offramp too fast and hit a pole.He had been know for getting liquored up at parties and going out and doing wheelies and burnouts.After the accident,all you heard about was that there was a need to increase motorcycle safety.Not one word was said about the fact that it was a drunk driving incident. The official Wash HD BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Ltng GATB#1121 HSB#38DT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 15:57:50 1996 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 13:00:21 EST From: "Daren Magness" To: 1006@XXXXXX, 75460.2502@XXXXXX, aircldvw@XXXXXX, allen123@XXXXXX, arsenal@XXXXXX, atlas96@XXXXXX, aviciciar.aol.com_at_SMTPGATE@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, bsummers@XXXXXX, catalogs@XXXXXX, catherine_hontiveros@XXXXXX, CheckNSee@XXXXXX, cohenj@XXXXXX, Daren_Magness@XXXXXX, David_Goldstein@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DMOSHER@XXXXXX, DMOSHER@XXXXXX, eeurope-business@XXXXXX, GSANDE@XXXXXX, GSANDE@XXXXXX, james.saucier@XXXXXX, jcuevas@XXXXXX, JJMURPHY@XXXXXX, JJMURPHY@XXXXXX, jnimmo@XXXXXX, josh@XXXXXX, khawkins@XXXXXX, lac013@XXXXXX, macy@XXXXXX, magness@XXXXXX, Mrobts@XXXXXX, MSALTSMAN@XXXXXX, peachie@XXXXXX, peted@XXXXXX, prime@XXXXXX, rabosolo@XXXXXX, resinc@XXXXXX, roapuno@XXXXXX, Robert_Turner@XXXXXX, rrivera@XXXXXX, russia@XXXXXX, trade-1-request@XXXXXX, Trade@XXXXXX, webmaster@XXXXXX, wgray@XXXXXX, zxgx01a@XXXXXX Internet addresses From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 28 01:34:00 1996 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 01:36:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Garica Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bikes for sale In-Reply-To: <32416A96.3C2F@clark.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For sale: Suzuki GS 550-E, 1983. 20,000 mi. Fair condition, $650. Good stuff: dual drilled front discs, anti-dive front end, small fairing, good power, good tires, new alternator stator and regulator/rectifier. Bad stuff: hole in muffler, valve cover (not head gasket) leaks some oil, sometimes pops out of second gear (six speeds) on hard acceleration. Kawasaki KZ-550, 1981. Mileage unknown (16,000 on clock). Fair condition, $650. Basic commuter bike, starts and runs ok. MAC muffler, Travelcade seat, new chain. Will pass inspection. Yamaha RD-400, 1976. 14,000 miles. Very good condition, $1200. Stock, except for aftermarket seat. Fun bike, but not practical for (slow) city streets. Will pass inspection. ALSO: WANTED Yamaha 550 Seca (preferred) or 550 Maxim parts bike. Need front end, exhaust, and too many smaller parts to list. (But it was only going 30 mph...honest.) GS-1000 (1978) tank and front fender. KZ-440/454 parts bike with good engine. ALSO FOR SALE 3 full fairings: 1 Windjammer, 1 La Mancha, 1 I-can't-remember-the-manufacturer-but-I'm-too-tired-to-go-out-and-look. $50 each or $100 for all. For more info, write, or call me at 202-234-9229. Thanks. --garcia oliver "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather---not screaming in terror like his passengers." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 09:27:27 1996 From: "Sande, Gerald A @EAG" To: 1006 <1006@XXXXXX>, "75460.2502" <75460.2502@XXXXXX>, aircldvw , allen123 , arsenal , atlas96 , "aviciciar.aol.com_at_SMTPGATE" , balt-cycles , bsummers To: catalogs , catherine_hontiveros , CheckNSee , cohenj , Daren Magness , Daren_Magness , David_Goldstein , dc-cycles To: DMOSHER , DMOSHER , eeurope-business , GSANDE , "james.saucier" , jcuevas , JJMURPHY , JJMURPHY , jnimmo To: josh , khawkins , lac013 , macy , magness , Mrobts , MSALTSMAN , peachie , peted , prime , rabosolo To: resinc , roapuno , Robert_Turner , rrivera , russia , trade-1-request , Trade , webmaster , wgray , zxgx01a Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 08:18:00 CDT Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Message received. Jerry Sande ---------- From: Daren Magness To: 1006; 75460.2502; aircldvw; allen123; arsenal; atlas96; aviciciar.aol.com_at_SMTPGATE; balt-cycles; bsummers; catalogs; catherine_hontiveros; CheckNSee; cohenj; Daren_Magness; David_Goldstein; dc-cycles; DMOSHER; DMOSHER; eeurope-business; GSANDE; james.saucier; jcuevas; JJMURPHY; JJMURPHY; jnimmo; josh; khawkins; lac013; macy; magness; Mrobts; MSALTSMAN; peachie; peted; prime; rabosolo; resinc; roapuno; Robert_Turner; rrivera; russia; trade-1-request; Trade; webmaster; wgray; zxgx01a Date: Friday, September 27, 1996 1:00PM Internet addresses From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 14:22:09 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:21:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: King Of Fork Oil Meets The Dukes Of Hazard Hey if you even remotely like cars and motorcycles, or just about anything that ever had wheels on it, you HAVE to go to the Hershey car show Oct 10 - 12. The flea market is so big I doubt that you could walk down every aisle in a day; maybe not even two. The car corral, which is where they sell every kind of car you can imagine, and then some, takes me about 4 hours to walk through if I stop to look at maybe every 10th car. Saturday is the day that the old cars are shown and judged. Sometimes a good collection of older race cars, particuarly 30's sprints and 50's Indy Cars. This is the biggest car show on the planet, and that is not an exagerration. It's free, and it's close by (2.5 hours), though it is a boring, butt-ugly ride on the permanently- under-construction Pennsylvania highway system. Directions: drive to Hershey. Follow everyone else. If it has rained recently bring hip waders. For safe motorcycle parking: just before you get to the flea market area (on the right side of the road), there is an old dairy farm on the left that used to be an orphanage or something. Anyway they charge $5 to park and will let you put your bike where it won't be knocked down by a geezer in a 'bago. Steve I will be there.