From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 09:34:21 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:34:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) X-Sender: kim@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Problems with ex500 HELP !! >When I startup the bike some green stuff is leaking from right above the right >exhaust under the rightside fairing. I don't know whether iit is the coolant >or not. > >The drops of liquid fall on the exhaust and evaporate causing smoke and stuff. > >Any ideas or suggestions as to what the problem is ? >Any mechanics that i should be visiting in particular... > >A fellow biker in distress, > >Vimarsh Definitely coolant. Don't worry, it's not fatal--just glycol and water. Is it bubbling out or just dripping? If it's bubbling, the coolant is boiling, which means the bike is too hot. If it's just dripping, check the reservoir under the seat--it might have a leak. Or it might be too full. I doubt you need a mechanic. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:06:13 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Labor Day Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:02:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 795 Hey, It looks like myself and Bill from Richmond are getting together for a ride on Sunday the 3rd of September. We haven't figured out where we are going yet, so if anyone on the list wants to join us, now is the time to give us input. I was thinking that maybe Bill and I could head north and hook up with some of the NoVa bikers or something along those lines. Let me know if anyone is interested! uncle dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 15:21:56 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:21:46 -0400 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: Local Motorcycle BBS For those of you who may not know of it, thought I'd pass along a little info about a motorcycle-related BBS in the DC metro calling area. It's called The Motorcycle Connection, located in Clifton, VA (SW Fairfax Cnty). Metro area phone is 703.502.0000. It's hosted by local racer (currently in retirement but you know how these sports types are...), Brian Summers. Good group of people. Free of charge. Originally went into service in July 1991 as The Motorcyclist BBS, hosted by yours truly. I ran out of time and passed it on to Brian earlier this year. Of particular note, it's one of the repositories for Bob Higdon's running account of the 1995 Iron Butt Rally (now in progress). The Iron Butt is an 11 day, 11,000+ motorcycle rally-'round-the-US. Bob's peculiar wit makes his account an excellent read. You can find it in the files section of TMCBBS as a series "IRONB***.TXT" dale *************************************************************************** Appalachian Tour For Kids - September 30, 1995 - Info:dale@XXXXXX Explore Appalachian Highways: http://www.his.com/~dale *************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:28:03 1995 From: Vimarsh Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:28:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 91 EX500 Coolant Leak questions I had earlier posted about the leaking coolant fluid from my '91 EX500. I now know that it is from the water pump (?) right above the right exhaust. The coolant starts leaking only when the bike is stationary (e.g. Red lights) The bike temperature indicator is at the low when I am riding but it starts rising to the center as soon as I have to stop on a red light. Do you guys think this is a very serious problem. Has anybody else faced such a problem in their bike ? If I get it looked at by the local Kawasaki dealer how much should I be looking to pay for the repair. How much do water pumps cost if I have to get it replaced? Can I do the repair on my own ? Any places/repair shops in the D.C. metro area that are recommended as good repair shops would be welcome.. Any ideas or suggestions are welcome ... TIA Vimarsh From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 12:06:14 1995 From: Kelly_Cash@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:35:56 est To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribe Well, it seems I won't be able to get into this group as much as I'd have liked. I've just taken a new job in California, and will be moving there in two weeks. (!) It would've been nice to have met you all on the eat 'n rides, but I'll be swamped getting ready for the move. Best wishes, good riding, and keep the shiny side up! -Kelly Cash From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 12:14:43 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: 91 EX500 Coolant Leak questions Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 12:10:00 edt Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >I now know that it is from the water pump (?) right above the right exhaust. A leak of that kind from my bike ('83 Honda CX650) means the seal on the water pump has given up. I have had it happen 3 or 4 times. It usually happens in the summertime. A new seal and associated parts costs about $25. In my case though, the first step in replacing the water pump seal is to remove the engine from the bike. The Clymer manual did a very good job in telling me how to do it myself. Now that I've done it a few times, I can drop the engine in about 3 hours, fix the pump in less than an hour and put it all back together in about 5 more hours. If you can disassemble the water pump without having to remove the engine, it should be a 2-3 hour job. This problem is only serious if you allow it to get low on coolant and it overheats. An overheated engine may crack the head or it might also seize and score the cylinder walls. I never rode mine when it was leaking, it just wasn't worth risking the engine over it. Leon. begemanl@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 11:11:01 1995 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:04:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Janet Gunn To: Vimarsh cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 91 EX500 Coolant Leak questions In-Reply-To: <199509051328.JAA07768@rac5.wam.umd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Vimarsh wrote: > > > I had earlier posted about the leaking coolant fluid from my '91 EX500. ... > Any places/repair shops in the D.C. metro area that are recommended as good > repair shops would be welcome.. Crossroads Cycle at Baileys Crossroads, run by Bill Bloom. Used to be a Kawasaki dealership. He has a reputation for good work. Janet Gunn WERA, CCS, AHRMA (and ex-AAMRR) #671 MARRC#18 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 11:32:45 1995 From: dave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 11:32:32 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike shops While we're on the subject of bike shops, I thought I'd share a recent experience. I went to The Motorcycle Shop in College Park to get a minor tune up done on my bike including a new rear tire. I called up and asked if they had the tire I wanted in stock and they said sure. So I rode out to College Park and find out that they didn't have it when I got there. (I wasn't sold, they never had it). So I really wanted this Metzler but it turned out they are really hard to get right now. So I called up to make an appointment for a couple of weeks away, we discussed some tires and decided on a Bridgestone BT-17 Battlax. I rode out there 2 weeks after for my appointment and found that they didn't have the tire they were supposed to have ordered. They said they could get it by the next morning. The next morning I get a call that they couldn't get it and why don't I just pick one they had in stock like a Conti. After explaining to them that I consider my rear tire to be what my life rides on we decided to bag the tire thing. They did the minor tune up and I took the bike home 2 days later. (they were supposed to get it done in one, but even though we cannned the tire, they still couldn't do it on time). Now my bike leaks oil which it has never done in the years that I've owned it. I still trying to decide whether or not to bring it back to them to fix it. That of course left the question of a new rear tire. I called Myers Cycle Engineering in Kensington. They ordered the BT-17 and had it there on Wednesday. I told the guy I was going to the beach on Saturday and he suggested I show up early on Saturday morning. We agreed on 9:00. I got there at 8:58 am. He said to come back in an hour. I walked back to the shop and got there at 9:57 as the guy was pulling up with my perfectly mounted new back tire. He even lubed the chain and gave me some suggestions on tightening it because it was dry. Now that's service! -Dave '91 Katana 600 DoD #1852 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 12:01:38 1995 From: Robert M Darden X-Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. X-Phone: +1 301 854 6889, +1 410 442 1673, FAX: +1 301 854 5363 To: dave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 07 Sep 95 11:32:32 -0400. <9509071532.AA21584@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 11:58:45 -0400 Sender: darden@XXXXXX I have to echo dave's comments on the Motorcycle SHop (or Dirt Shop or surf shop). They've taken my money for parts, especially tires (sidecar tires, so it is understandable that they didn't have them in stock), and left me hanging for a considerable length of time before giving me a refund. They have had wheels to mount tires on (I never leave a bike somewhere) for weeks at a time before doing them while I stand and wait. If it isn't a pick it off the shelf and walk item, forget them. I've had no experience with Myers, but have several friends with a lot of experience there - all extremely satisfied. bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 12:46:28 1995 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:08:06 -0400 From: greer@XXXXXX (Greg Greer) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops In-Reply-To: "Re: bike shops " of September 7 from darden@tis.com (Robert M. Darden) Well, I've never had a problem with The Motorcycle Shop. I've ordered things through them and I've taken bikes to them to have tires installed and they've always done a good and timely job. Just another data point, I guess. Greg '92 Ducati 907ie, in black From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 13:19:20 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 13:21:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops >While we're on the subject of bike shops, I thought I'd share a recent >experience. >I went to The Motorcycle Shop in College Park to get a minor tune up done >on my bike including a new rear tire. (bad experience snipped) That's really a shame about The Motorcycle Shop. I used to deal with those guys all the time in the late '70s and early '80s and got nothing but good service and support from them. Oh, well, nothing lasts forever. Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 14:03:21 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 13:58:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops I took the front wheel of my BMW in to Cycle Sport of Herndon for a new front tire; told them no hurry. Before I could make the 15 minute drive home they had already called my answering machine and left a message that it was done. On the other hand I took my bike to Colemans for a 600 mile checkup back in 86. On the way home I noticed brake fluid on my right glove; the service people had not put the 3 screws in the brakd fluid reservoir cap. Decided not to go back there again. Steve 86 R65 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 14:13:47 1995 Subject: Re: bike shops From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 14:11:44 -0400 >While we're on the subject of bike shops, I thought I'd share a recent >experience. >Stuff about the College Park cycle shop deleted > That of course left the question of a new rear tire. I called Myers >Cycle Engineering in Kensington. They ordered the BT-17 and had it there >on Wednesday. I told the guy I was going to the beach on Saturday and >he suggested I show up early on Saturday morning. We agreed on 9:00. >I got there at 8:58 am. He said to come back in an hour. I walked back >to the shop and got there at 9:57 as the guy was pulling up with my >perfectly mounted new back tire. He even lubed the chain and gave me >some suggestions on tightening it because it was dry. Now that's >service! > -Dave I'll add my and my boyfriend's recommendations for Myers. He's been going to them for about 5 years, and I've been going to them for about 4. Never had a problem with them. They've always done good work, and gotten it done on time. We don't go anywhere else. Caron Rose (Rebel 450 - CANDY8) Roy Higashi ('82 Wing - AIRWLF) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 14:35:56 1995 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 14:40:40 -0400 To: dave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The answer to your problems is Cycle Assessory Discounters in Gaithersburg Dave, the owner, will do you right. Tire mounting on premises. Good prices. 301-977-7188 pierre From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 17:25:07 1995 From: Robert M Darden X-Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. X-Phone: +1 301 854 6889, +1 410 442 1673, FAX: +1 301 854 5363 To: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 07 Sep 95 13:21:00 -0500. <9509071320.21813.AD@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 13:38:46 -0400 Sender: darden@XXXXXX Its interesting that you think it would be the same today. In the 4 years or so I have been going there, and my visits are every 4-6 months (danged sidecar tires don't last no time), I've never seen the same person twice - except for the older lady that I believe is the owner. and, yes, these are just data points.... bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 15:52:04 1995 Date: 08 Sep 95 15:51:37 EDT From: Gen.M.Kanai@XXXXXX (Gen M. Kanai) Subject: questions... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi folks! New to the list here and here for a friend actually. I'm a regular on Wetleather and the NEDoD list, but my best friend is moving to DC. I wanted to give him info on the best internet provider in the area. He's on a PC system and has a Mac as well. What internet providers are reasonable and offer set monthly fees? Most places in the Seattle area were around $18-20 a month depending on Web server space etc. Please let me know which providers are reasonable and yet reliable! Next, where do Honda folks go for parts and/or service? There seem to be many disreputable dealers here in the northeast as well as in the PacNW, and I want to be able to point him in the direction of an honest dealer. Also, do you DC cycles folks meet on a regular basis? Are there any big monthly meets for motorcyclists in the area like Marcus Dairy in CT or the VME meets in Seattle? If so, I'd like to forward that info on to him as well. Thanks very much in advance! Gen Kanai (currently bikeless- anyone you know selling an FJ1200 in New England?) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 00:30:48 1995 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 00:35:26 -0400 To: Gen.M.Kanai@XXXXXX (Gen M. Kanai) Subject: Re: questions about Local ISP Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gen: Since you asked, I help run a non-profit ISP in No VA, the Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative. NVIAC (nova.org) I will give you scant details now, more info later to those who desire it. Dialup V.34 28.8 24 hour access, unlimited hours no pinned lines $10 a month (pay year in advance +$35 admin fee Total $155) includes a POP mail account and network news access. No shell. No web page. Web for members is planned for future. Dedicated V.34 There are a lot of particulars to this, as the price has not been finalized but you are looking at about $420/year plus $440 up front. more soon if this is the type of account you desire...This is an awesome deal at $35/month. Alternet themselves charge $250 per month and $750 up front. This is the power of Non-profit... Why the Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative? Our user density is ~300 users per T-1. Other ISPs number in the THOUSANDS. Our dial pool density will always be no more than 10 users per dial line. Recent tests show Clark and Digex at 10-14. We are connected to alternet, the premiere 1st tier provider in the area. Everyone else is connected to SprintLink. yuck. We are nice guys. The philosphy of knowledge sharing is alive and well in our little group. pierre From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 05:40:40 1995 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:40:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: Thomas Piergallini cc: "Gen M. Kanai" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: questions about Local ISP In-Reply-To: <9509100435.AA00745@nova.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i wasn't going to say anything, but i'll give a data point also... On Sun, 10 Sep 1995, Thomas Piergallini wrote: > Gen: > > Since you asked, I help run a non-profit ISP in No VA, the Northern > Virginia Internet Access Cooperative. NVIAC (nova.org) > > I will give you scant details now, more info later to those who > desire it. > > Dialup V.34 > 28.8 24 hour access, unlimited hours no pinned lines > $10 a month (pay year in advance +$35 admin fee Total $155) > includes a POP mail account and network news access. > No shell. No web page. Web for members is planned for future. > i work for digex. we offer dialup slip/ppp at $35/month, but that includes a separate, full-access shell with web page presence. standard usage is 6 hrs/day, extra hours billed at $1/extra hour, and 5 M storage on the shell, extra memory usage starts at $1/M/month. yes, POP3 mail and USENET (all ~13,000 groups) are standard included services. > Dedicated V.34 > There are a lot of particulars to this, as the price has not been > finalized but you are looking at about $420/year plus $440 up front. > more soon if this is the type of account you desire...This is an > awesome deal at $35/month. Alternet themselves charge $250 per > month and $750 up front. This is the power of Non-profit... > your price here is better than ours, we charge $295 up front but $99/month, or a straight $1188/year up front. you can run your class C domain (which registration is included) from a dedicated IP connection. > Why the Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative? > > Our user density is ~300 users per T-1. Other ISPs number in the > THOUSANDS. > what's your density per T-3? > Our dial pool density will always be no more than 10 users per dial > line. Recent tests show Clark and Digex at 10-14. > i have no info on this, except to point out that a dedicated line is, of course, always only 1 user. > We are connected to alternet, the premiere 1st tier provider in the > area. Everyone else is connected to SprintLink. yuck. > we have one of our T-3's ( 45Mbps ) directly to MAE-east, and multiply redundant T-1's ( 1.5Mbps ) into alternet, sprintlink, MCInet, C&W, and one or two others that i cannot remember off the top of my head. we are also a full peer in the CIX. > We are nice guys. The philosphy of knowledge sharing is alive and > well in our little group. > > > pierre > -D- From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 21:23:19 1995 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:23:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Bass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Q: Virago 750 valve adj MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Question fellow cyclers: My 92 Virago 750 is starting to make a clicking sound which I believe means the valves need adjustment. I am getting close to 9000 miles. How much trouble is it to do this procedure myself? The dealer wants $90 and I'd be out of service for 2 days. I have the service manuals, but as usual after reading the manual it sounds like a breeze. But in reality? ---Ken From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 21:32:05 1995 From: jrhurley@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:32:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: getting off the list To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 could i please be deleted from your mailing list jrhurley@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 15:39:43 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: Gen.M.Kanai@XXXXXX (Gen M. Kanai), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:32:09 PST Subject: Re: questions... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > Next, where do Honda folks go for parts and/or service? There seem to be many > disreputable dealers here in the northeast as well as in the PacNW, and I want > to be able to point him in the direction of an honest dealer. Myer's Cycle Engineering in Kensigton, MD. Tell Steve I said "Hi." From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 15 08:41:30 1995 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:41:28 -0400 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, philly-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hillclimb on Sept 24 near York PA Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, east@XXXXXX, nj-cycles@XXXXXX Pennsylvania's Class "A" Pro Hill Climb will be taking place on Sunday, Sept 24 at the White Rose Motorcycle Club near York PA. The climb starts at 1:00pm, rain or shine. Cooler size limit is 16"x16", one 6-pack limit (per person, I presume), no liquor, no glass bottles, no pets. I don't have an ticket price, you can try calling the club at (717) 229-2621. Directions: >From Philadelphia: Take US-30 west past York. After the end of the expressway (on my map, anyway) turn left on PA-116 south. Go a couple miles to a left(?) onto PA-516 south. Take this to the hamlet of Jefferson. At the traffic circle (actually a rectangle) turn right. A couple miles down the road you'll see a sign on the left for the White Rose Motorcycle Club. This is the exit road for the hill. Stay on the blacktop road past this sign. Go down a hill and turn left just before the railroad tracks. Keep bending around the hill to your left (there are a couple side roads to the right) to get to the Club's entrance. >From Baltimore/DC: Take I-83 north from Baltimore. Get off at Exit 31, Middletown Road, and turn left (west) at the end of the ramp. At the Manson-Nixon line you'll come to an intersection with PA-851 going to the right and straight. Continue straight onto PA-851. A couple miles up PA-516 comes in from the left, stay straight to get on PA-516 north. Continue straight on PA-516 at the stop sign with PA-216. Continue on PA-516 to the hamlet of Jefferson, turn left at the traffic rectangle and continue to the clubhouse as above. To cut a couple miles off this route, look for a small sign on the side of PA-516 announcing your entry to Jefferson. At one point past this the road bends to the right with a sideroad going left. There is a sign there on the right for a dairy(?). This is Hillclimb Road. Nudge-nudge, wink-wink. Turn left and take this to the club, which will now be on your right. There is one inter- section along the way with a bigger road left and a narrower one straight. Go straight to stay on Hillclimb Road. I plan on being there (shine only), anybody else interested? Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, DoD #0224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" '82 CBX, '82 GS850GZ, '76 CJ360T | --Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 09:57:17 1995 Subject: Brake noise From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 09:55:42 -0400 Ok. I lost all my archived email. A while ago, I asked about what to do about some serious brake noise. I have had the brakes replaced, but even after replacing them, the noise is still there. It is that humming kind of sound that the big semi-trucks make when they come to a stop. And it's LOUD. People stare. I'm embarrassed. I was told it was something to do with the harmonics - that they are vibrating at just the right wavelength. Is this true? What do I do to make it stop! The bike stops fine. It just makes a very LOUD LOUD noise. I'm trying not to have to take it back to the shop, since it's 30 miles away, and only open till 6. Is there something that I (the mechanically impared) can do to fix this? Thanks Caron From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 13:12:47 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Brake noise Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 13:12:00 edt Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >some serious brake noise. I have had the brakes replaced, but even after >replacing them, the noise is still there. > It just makes a very LOUD LOUD noise. I'm trying not to have to take it back >to the shop, since it's 30 miles away, and only open till 6. Is there >something that I (the mechanically impared) can do to fix this? The answer depends on how mechanically impaired you are. You can buy a pad (it looks like a piece of cardboard) that fits between your brake pad and the piston(s) to prevent the vibration, or you could also get the stuff that looks like gasket cement that goes in the same place. You can get either of these at an auto parts store. Then you just remove the pads and put the stuff between the pad and piston. If you can't (won't) take your brakes apart, I'd suggest a bumper sticker or other sign that says something like "I wanna be a truck when I grow up, but now all they let me do is make noises like one." ;-) Leon. From owner-dc-cycles@XXXXXX Tue Sep 19 13:14:09 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Brake noise Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 13:12:00 edt Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >some serious brake noise. I have had the brakes replaced, but even after >replacing them, the noise is still there. > It just makes a very LOUD LOUD noise. I'm trying not to have to take it back >to the shop, since it's 30 miles away, and only open till 6. Is there >something that I (the mechanically impared) can do to fix this? The answer depends on how mechanically impaired you are. You can buy a pad (it looks like a piece of cardboard) that fits between your brake pad and the piston(s) to prevent the vibration, or you could also get the stuff that looks like gasket cement that goes in the same place. You can get either of these at an auto parts store. Then you just remove the pads and put the stuff between the pad and piston. If you can't (won't) take your brakes apart, I'd suggest a bumper sticker or other sign that says something like "I wanna be a truck when I grow up, but now all they let me do is make noises like one." ;-) Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 13:27:03 1995 Subject: RE: Brake noise From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 13:25:56 -0400 > >The answer depends on how mechanically impaired you are. You can buy a pad >(it looks like a piece of cardboard) that fits between your brake pad and >the piston(s) to prevent the vibration, or you could also get the stuff that >looks like gasket cement that goes in the same place. You can get either of >these at an auto parts store. Then you just remove the pads and put the >stuff between the pad and piston. > Ok - taking brakes apart is beyond my technical ability. I can unscrew a mirror, attach a throttle lock, etc, but brakes is what keeps me alive. I thought it was something that I could kinda just spray down there. >If you can't (won't) take your brakes apart, I'd suggest a bumper sticker or >other sign that says something like "I wanna be a truck when I grow up, but >now all they let me do is make noises like one." ;-) Now why didn't *I* think of that!! Caron One REALLY loud Rebel 450 ( CANDY8 ) (hmmm maybe I should change that to MYTRUK) > >Leon. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 13:29:46 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:25:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: brake noise When my BMW was new, it make a lot of brake noise when I was NOT using the front brake, but was silent when in use. This was way different from the normal brake noise problem. I switched to Ferodos and the problem was gone. Steve 86 R65 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 14:25:32 1995 From: Robert M Darden X-Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. X-Phone: +1 301 854 6889, +1 410 442 1673, FAX: +1 301 854 5363 To: Leslie Caron Rose Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake noise In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 19 Sep 95 13:25:56 -0400. <950919132556.297@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 14:22:22 -0400 Sender: darden@XXXXXX Hey - none of us can do it all - well, not many of us anyway. Replacing brake pads could be our first "tech session" that John has talked about having. We could use your bike as the demo and put in new pads, shoes and anti-squeal cream. and, I'm serious. I just had to pull my Honda (car) apart and put the goop on the pads - I didn't when I redid the brakes and it was just real embarassing at stops. bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 16:19:14 1995 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:17:47 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: crose@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake noise Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is a seriously cool idea. Learning to ride is only one half of dealing with motorcycles. The other half is keeping 'em going. We've already had a couple Eat 'n Rides. How about some equally fun and instructive Eat 'n Fix's? - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 19 14:33:01 1995 From: Robert M Darden X-Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. X-Phone: +1 301 854 6889, +1 410 442 1673, FAX: +1 301 854 5363 Subject: Re: Brake noise In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 19 Sep 95 13:25:56 -0400. <950919132556.297@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 14:22:22 -0400 Sender: darden@XXXXXX Hey - none of us can do it all - well, not many of us anyway. Replacing brake pads could be our first "tech session" that John has talked about having. We could use your bike as the demo and put in new pads, shoes and anti-squeal cream. and, I'm serious. I just had to pull my Honda (car) apart and put the goop on the pads - I didn't when I redid the brakes and it was just real embarassing at stops. bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 16:23:13 1995 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:21:41 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: crose@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake noise Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX By the way... speaking of pulling Honda (cars) apart. I stopped trying to service my car years ago because Honda ceased to be a simple and enjoyable car to service. In the 80's my simple little motorcycle engine with a cage around it suddenly grew a couple computers, a tangle of hoses and wires and shrank it's engine compartment to the point that I can barely reach the oil filter. That's one think that I like about motorcycles... I can understand the mechanics of the thing. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 16:39:16 1995 From: Robert M Darden X-Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. X-Phone: +1 301 854 6889, +1 410 442 1673, FAX: +1 301 854 5363 To: Dark Hacker Cc: crose@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake noise In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 19 Sep 95 16:21:41 -0400. <199509192021.QAA26603@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 16:27:24 -0400 Sender: darden@XXXXXX I kinda have to do brakes and mufflers - my culture won't let me pay someone to do something I can do (generally better), but I echo your sentiment - how many other CAMS can boast they have generators, fan belts, and drum brakes, front and rear? bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 16:55:08 1995 From: jimi@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:54:51 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake noise In-Reply-To: <199509192021.QAA26603@access5.digex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Dark Hacker wrote: > By the way... speaking of pulling Honda (cars) apart. I stopped > trying to service my car years ago because Honda ceased to be a simple > and enjoyable car to service. In the 80's my simple little motorcycle > engine with a cage around it suddenly grew a couple computers, a > tangle of hoses and wires and shrank it's engine compartment to > the point that I can barely reach the oil filter. That's one think > that I like about motorcycles... I can understand the mechanics of > the thing. > > - Hacker I find this funny because I have the exact opposite problem. I have a 88 CRX that I have maintained from birth to it's 100,000+ milage mark. I find it very enjoyable and haven't found anything the shop manual couldn't get me through. Just the thought of working on my Ducati gives me the willies. I have 4000 miles on it and haven't taken the tank off yet. At least during the warranty period - I won't even think about trying to tune one of those four-valve engines. Yikes. -jimi From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 19 18:51:27 1995 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 18:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: The Mad God To: jimi@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake noise In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I find this funny because I have the exact opposite problem. I have a 88 > CRX that I have maintained from birth to it's 100,000+ milage mark. I > find it very enjoyable and haven't found anything the shop manual > couldn't get me through. Just the thought of working on my Ducati gives > me the willies. I have 4000 miles on it and haven't taken the tank off > yet. At least during the warranty period - I won't even think about > trying to tune one of those four-valve engines. Yikes. > Hmm I have 2k on my 900sscr, and havent really had the need to open her up.. but the thought dosent give me the willies.. its a bit different.. but hey :> Thats what makes life interesting! Although I do have a strange noise with my rear break also.. squeals.. and then sometimes, its some other weird sound.. No visible damage to the disk though.. (Anyone know a way to make the rear break pedal a bit harder? I guess I have a slightly heavy foot, and find myself accidentally riding my rear break alot.. ) Scot From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 20 09:42:34 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: "crose%mail03.mitre.org" , "darden%TIS.COM" , "dc-cycles-request%cs.UMD.EDU" Cc: "dc-cycles%umiacs.umd.edu" Subject: Eat 'n Fix's Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 09:17:00 EST Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hacker spoke: >This is a seriously cool idea. Learning to ride is only one half >of dealing with motorcycles. The other half is keeping 'em going. >We've already had a couple Eat 'n Rides. How about some equally fun >and instructive Eat 'n Fix's? I'm game, it sounds like fun time to me. Maybe after we fix our macines we can go on a shake down ride. FYI: If anyone is interested the Montgomgery County (MD) Department of Recreation offers a Motorcycle Maintenance course in Rockville. I've taken it and it goes into a lot of the basics of motorcycle mechanics for 4 hours on a Friday night and then Saterday is spent wrenching under the guidence of the instructor. They provide many basic tools and lubricants but they do ask you to bring tools if you have some. It is a real good learning experience and I would recommend it to anyone unfamiliar of uncomfortable about working on their ride. The next sessions are on 10/13-14 & 11/17-18 and the cost is $63 for the course and $15 shop material fee. I found it to be money well spent. I think these courses are open to non county residents but I'm not sure. If you are interested give the Mont. Co. Dept. of Rec. a call at 301-217-6800, that's their general info line. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 20 10:46:25 1995 Subject: RE: Brake noise From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: BegemanL@XXXXXX (Begeman, Leon) cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 10:44:27 -0400 Well - after hearing what all of you have said - I got a hold of the shop. They said that if it's something that they missed the first time that shoudl have been taken care of, that there won't be any labor charges. Parts are another story. They said it could possibly be a warped disc (disk?). The reason is, I've noticed a new problem- that was there before they replaced the pads - pulsing. It wasn't there at first - but now it is after I've ridden it several hundred miles. I could cry. Another 150.00 if that's the case. They are taking the bike on thursday night. So we'll see. Thanks for your help. I'll let you know the outcome. > > >>Hmmm I've never had a problem in the rain when the brakes got wet. But >maybe >>that's different from spraying with a hose. We'll see. Thanks for the >info. >> > >If they're REALLY wet, I notice it for the first couple of seconds, then >they dry off enough to brake normally. It's easy to miss if you normallly >brake lightly, and gradually increase pressure. > >The idea of using your bike as the example for the tech session sounds like >a quick easy way to get it fixed without having to pay for the labor, you >ought to volunteer. > >Leon. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 20 11:18:52 1995 From: KRoy@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 11:18:35 EDT X-Priority: 1 (High) To: Subject: Hawk GT mods - Stephen Harris... X-Incognito-SN: 239 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO (This is mostly for Stephen Harris but anyone else should feel free to comment... I've managed to lose the email address again) I've been considering some low buck mods to the Hawk and ran across this at the Hawk GT WWW site... >Description of mod: >All stock Hawks have #138 main jet for the front and #132 for the >rear cylinder (I think it's because the rear cyl runs slightly >hotter?). Anyway, what I did was to take the #138 jet from the >front cylinder carb and moved it to the rear cylinder carb. I >then installed a new jet one size larger (#144) for the front cyl >(my friendly local Honda dealer let me trade in the old jet for >the one I needed... my net cost $0.00). Next I raised the needle >by inserting a .030" shim under the clip (flat washer for #2 >screw works great). You have to use a shim to raise the needle >because the stock needle only has one groove for the clip (of >course for $60, the Factory jet kit gives you a nifty needle with >multiple grooves). Finally, I drilled out the "tamper proof" >seal covering the pilot screw and turned the screw out about 2 >turns for each carb. >Net result is a total dissapearance of the annoying stumble >around 3k rpm, much better cold start performance and stronger >feeling everywhere... everything you'll get with the $60 Factory >kit for nothing... or almost nothing. I also saw something about removing the top of the airbox instead of removing it entirely and going with aftermarket filters. What do you think of these ideas. What would be some other cheap modifications? Another subject: looks like the fork seals are nearing the end - would you be available to help me with them? Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 20 12:30:52 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: Leslie Caron Rose cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Brake noise In-Reply-To: <950920104426.10655@mail03.mitre.org.0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Leslie Caron Rose wrote: > Well - after hearing what all of you have said - I got a hold of the shop. > They said that if it's something that they missed the first time that shoudl > have been taken care of, that there won't be any labor charges. Parts are > another story. They said it could possibly be a warped disc (disk?). The > reason is, I've noticed a new problem- that was there before they replaced the > pads - pulsing. It wasn't there at first - but now it is after I've ridden it > several hundred miles. I could cry. Another 150.00 if that's the case. > They are taking the bike on thursday night. So we'll see. Thanks for your > help. I'll let you know the outcome. > You might be able to save yourself some money if you buy the disk and any other needed parts yourself. Places like Dennis Kirk, Competition Accessories, and Motorcycle Accessories are the best based on my experience. Numbers: Dennis Kirk 1-800-328-9280 Motorcycle Access. 1-800-241-2222 Competition Access. 1-800-543-4715 BTW, I have a friend who used to work at Mitre. Do you know a Lorrie Moore? Good luck, Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 20 17:20:49 1995 From: khawkins@XXXXXX Date: 20 Sep 95 09:16:13 -0400 Original-From: khawkins Original-Date: Wed Sep 20 09:16:13 EDT 1995 Email-Version: 2 Subject: Re: Brake noise To: att!dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: your message of Tue Sep 19 18:51:20 -0400 1995 Content-Type: Text >>Although I do have a strange noise with my rear break also.. squeals.. >>and then sometimes, its some other weird sound. >>No visible damage to the disk though.. >>(Anyone know a way to make the rear break pedal a bit harder? I guess I >>have a slightly heavy foot, and find myself accidentally riding my rear >>break alot.. ) The brakes on a Ducati 900SS/CR are inherently mushy. Replacement of the stock brake lines with braided stainless steel or Kevlar will drastically improve their performance. The squealing is also normal for the rear brake on the CR. Also, the ZZZZZZZZZZZZ sound is normal on the front brake as the pads are moving over the radial drill points on the disk. Kevin From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 21 08:02:13 1995 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 08:02:03 -0400 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Hawk GT mods - Stephen Harris... Cc: KRoy@XXXXXX At 11:18 AM 9/20/95 EDT, you wrote: >(This is mostly for Stephen Harris but anyone else should feel free to >comment... I've managed to lose the email address again) Check out my web page at the site in my sig. You can send me mail & check out my 580++ motorcycle phone number database. >I also saw something about removing the top of the airbox instead >of removing it entirely and going with aftermarket filters. Yea, that bike responds real well with taking the lid off the air box & messing with the jetting. Of course I know a guy who has a set of HRC clackers that you could pick up for about 1200.00...:-) >What do you think of these ideas. What would be some other cheap >modifications? What the guy sez is basically right. The only reason to buy the "jet kit" is because the needles that come with them are adjustible & have a different taper cut into them. You can approximate it just by using shims, but you can make it perfect with the aftermarket needles. One thing to remember is that Kehin, Mikuni, DJ, & RD jets are all different indexes so you can't just go by the numbers (for example a 125 main does not pass the same amount of fuel accross all manfactures) Make sure you are not mixing brands. > >Another subject: looks like the fork seals are nearing the end - >would you be available to help me with them? Lets plan to do it later in the fall, unless they are starting to leak. I have a race coming up in a three weeks plus I have a bunch of other pokers in the fire so to speak. If you want to pull the forks off & just drive over to my place with them that would be fine. Let me know via private E-mail. Stephen Harris Stephen Taylor Harris http://www.his.com/~harris/index.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 22 20:16:31 1995 From: us001471@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 20:16:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: GETTING TOGETHER FOR A FALL RIDE To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Does anyone want to get together for a weekend ride sometime in October. I'm open as to the date. Since I became a father 8 weeks ago my rides have been limited to the daily commute from Silver Spring to Alexandria. The wife suggested that my attitude of the last few days needed an adjustment and that I get on the bike and ride for a weekend. Anybody interested? The time in October is open and so is the destination. John Schaaf '92 VFR750F e-mail us001471@XXXXXX tel- National District Attorneys Association, direct line (703)519-1677 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 22 21:51:23 1995 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 19:35:39 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: crose@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: RE: Brake noise Discs can be turned (smoothed on a lathe) if they're not too far out. Another possibility is used parts ... much cheaper than buying new. good luck! Chris Norloff On Wed, 20 Sep 95 10:44:27 -0400 you wrote: >Well - after hearing what all of you have said - I got a hold of the shop. >They said that if it's something that they missed the first time that shoudl >have been taken care of, that there won't be any labor charges. Parts are >another story. They said it could possibly be a warped disc (disk?). The >reason is, I've noticed a new problem- that was there before they replaced the >pads - pulsing. It wasn't there at first - but now it is after I've ridden it >several hundred miles. I could cry. Another 150.00 if that's the case. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 23 08:03:35 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: DC-Cycles List Subject: GETTING TOGETHER FOR A FALL RIDE Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 08:03:00 edt Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 1) Congratulations. 2) I like your attitude. Why is it that so many of us quit riding when the baby comes? I am eagerly awaiting the time that my two year old daughter's legs are long enough to reach the footpegs so I don't have to find a babysitter when I go riding. 3) Unfortunately I can't ride in October, I'm teaching the beginning rider course every weekend. Leon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Since I became a father 8 weeks ago my rides have been >limited to the daily commute from Silver Spring to Alexandria. The wife >suggested that my attitude of the last few days needed an adjustment and that >I get on the bike and ride for a weekend. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 25 08:05:43 1995 Subject: RE: Brake noise From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 08:05:22 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A Well - I talked to the shop late friday afternoon. First I have to say something. I am exasperated on this one. This brake noise problem has been around for a long time. Almost since I got the bike. But it was always intermittent, and it's volume was always very low. It began increasing in intensitity and frequency over the period of about November 94 - March 95. That's when I took it in to be checked and had the brakes replaced. Now - I drove that bike with this noise - and it was there all the time. All the month of march, I sounded like a truck stopping. I drive up to the shop, and the noise stops. I can't make it happen, and they can't make it happen. They replaced the brakes. I drove away. Not long after that, it began happening again. I couldn't get it back into the shop right away, so it got worse and worse. It happened all the time. Warm weather or cold, damp or dry. It happened on short trips and long trips. So what happens when I pulled it into the shop last week? What happens??? IT STOPPED MAKING THE NOISE!!! Not 1 block before the shop, I came to a stop, and it made the noise. When I pulled into the parking lot, it was quiet as a mouse! Ok - I'm through venting. The shop called late friday. They couldn't get it to make the noise. But they believed me. They did say that the brakes looked glazed, so they roughed up (sanded?) the brakes and disk. Total cost - 25.00. We'll see. I'm going to drive it around before I take it home this time. I really think it's afraid of the shop. Caron From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 25 08:54:38 1995 From: Robert M Darden X-Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. X-Phone: +1 301 854 6889, +1 410 442 1673, FAX: +1 301 854 5363 To: "Begeman, Leon" Cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: GETTING TOGETHER FOR A FALL RIDE In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 23 Sep 95 08:03:00 -0400. <3063F793@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 08:51:15 -0400 Sender: darden@XXXXXX waiting for legs to reach the footpegs???......that's what sidecars are for :-)! I've seen some really neat playpens on wheels. bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 25 10:15:48 1995 From: "Bartlett, Mark" To: "Cycles, DC" Subject: RE: Brake noise Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 10:15:00 edt Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >when I pulled it into the shop last week? What happens??? IT STOPPED MAKING >THE NOISE!!! Not 1 block before the shop, I came to a stop, and it made the >noise. When I pulled into the parking lot, it was quiet as a mouse! >really think it's afraid of the shop. I know how you feel. That kind of thing has happened to me more than once. It makes you feel like an idiot. I'll bet the guys in the shop are used to it happening though. They must love the look on our faces as we plead with them: "I promise, it did, it did!" MarkB From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 25 10:27:30 1995 Subject: RE: Brake noise From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (Cycles, DC), BartletM@XXXXXX (Bartlett, Mark) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 10:25:44 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A >I know how you feel. That kind of thing has happened to me more than once. > It makes you feel like an idiot. I'll bet the guys in the shop are used to >it happening though. They must love the look on our faces as we plead with >them: "I promise, it did, it did!" > >MarkB Yeah - and they give me a hard time when I go in there. You know - typical woman - 'It's making a *humming* noise." They always tease me, telling me that it's a 'cute' bike. GRRRRRR! But I know it's all in fun. I can take a joke. Really I can. Caron From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 25 11:24:56 1995 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Barry Kaplan" Organization: The Dalmatian Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:24:41 +0000 Subject: RE: Brake noise Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB3) > So what happens > when I pulled it into the shop last week? What happens??? IT STOPPED MAKING > THE NOISE!!! Not 1 block before the shop, I came to a stop, and it made the > noise. When I pulled into the parking lot, it was quiet as a > mouse! Maybe you should just drive by the shop once a week or so ;-) --------------------- Barry Kaplan The Dalmatian Group bkaplan@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 25 11:35:00 1995 Subject: RE: Brake noise From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bkaplan@XXXXXX (Barry Kaplan) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 11:34:39 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A >> So what happens >> when I pulled it into the shop last week? What happens??? IT STOPPED MAKING >> THE NOISE!!! Not 1 block before the shop, I came to a stop, and it made the >> noise. When I pulled into the parking lot, it was quiet as a >> mouse! > >Maybe you should just drive by the shop once a week or so ;-) Why thank you, Barry, for that tip. I don't know why *I* didn't think of that. I'm sure it will be very helpful. Caron >Barry Kaplan >The Dalmatian Group >bkaplan@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 25 16:08:22 1995 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:07:54 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This sunday 1. if i can make arrangements for the msf to conduct an experienced rider course for the cams one weekend in nov (probably after x-giving since i'll be out of country 10-23 nov), how many are interested? the cost is $50 for a one day Unfortunately, I'm taking the MSF advanced course this Sunday. Would have taken you up on it if I had known earlier. 2. next ride is this sunday. it'll be a tour of scenic landmarks in no.va. i'm planning about 150 mi or so, Aw damnation. Same excuse as above. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 25 17:13:43 1995 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:12:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: us001471@XXXXXX cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GETTING TOGETHER FOR A FALL RIDE In-Reply-To: <199509230016.UAA03135@interramp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Sep 1995 us001471@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone want to get together for a weekend ride sometime in October . . . > October is open and so is the destination. I'm interested. There's one weekend that I'm going to NY with the SO but I can't remember which one. Weekend that is, I know which SO. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 25 17:47:39 1995 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This sunday In-Reply-To: <199509252007.QAA07501@access5.digex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I picked this up second hand so pardon the reposting. On Mon, 25 Sep 1995, someone wrote: > 1. if i can make arrangements for the msf to conduct an > experienced rider course for the cams one weekend in nov > (probably after x-giving since i'll be out of country 10-23 > nov), how many are interested? the cost is $50 for a one day > I'm interested but what is 'the cams', and by not knowing what it is, am I disqualified from entrance? > 2. next ride is this sunday. it'll be a tour of scenic > landmarks in no.va. i'm planning about 150 mi or so, Where is the meeting place and what time? Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." RZ350, CB-1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 27 16:40:26 1995 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:27:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ted Roberts Subject: mufflers and silencers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-VMS-To: IN%"dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I was flipping through some catalogs, doing some wishful shopping, when I came across the pages of aftermarket exhaust systems with custom mufflers and silencers. I have the following questions: How does adding a silencer end cap (if that is how they work) affect a bike's performance? Will my mileage go down? Will I lose power? Are these things legal? Will it void a manufacturer's warranty? How much quieter can my already pretty quiet CB750 get? My bike is not that loud, but I do leave home early in the morning and would like to go as sneakily as possible. Hoping to learn more. Ted. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 27 18:20:19 1995 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: Ted Roberts cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mufflers and silencers In-Reply-To: <01HVRZD5Z4KI95MNUM@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Ted Roberts wrote: > I was flipping through some catalogs, doing some wishful shopping, > when I came across the pages of aftermarket exhaust systems with > custom mufflers and silencers. I have the following questions: > > How does adding a silencer end cap (if that is how they work) affect a > bike's performance? Will my mileage go down? Will I lose power? Are > these things legal? Will it void a manufacturer's warranty? How much > quieter can my already pretty quiet CB750 get? > > My bike is not that loud, but I do leave home early in the morning and > would like to go as sneakily as possible. > > Hoping to learn more. > > Ted. Being a two-stroke rider I usually associate the term "silencer" with two-strokes. 2-stroke silencers or stingers are very different than the mufflers used on 4-strokes. The point of after-market exhaust systems is to provide better flow of exhaust gases from the cyclinder head. If exhaust gases can flow away from the cylinder head faster, then fresh mixture can flow into the cylinder as well. As one would expect this difference in more pronounced, up to a point, in 2-strokes than in 4-strokes but there can be a significant difference made to 4-strokes. Better exhaust flow is allowed by having a pipe/muffler that is less restrictive, but a less restrictive pipe will be louder. The sound is dampened by making the exhaust pass through lots of little passage ways and fiberglass packing. In addition to the oft increased noise it is almost always necessary to change the jetting of the carburators to match the specs of the particular pipe. Better flowing pipes generally require a richer jetting setup to compensate for greater air/exhaust flow. There is an upper limit with regard to how much unrestricted flow you can have. Some back pressure is necessary for the system to work efficiently. In 2-strokes it's little more complicated: the shape of the 'resonating chamber' provides and pulse that effects the flow of exhaust gases coming out of the exhasut port. On 2-stroke after-market pipes the silencer is almost solely used to cut down on the noise. I'm sure there are many out there (in this group) who can offer more on this subject, so speak up. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 09:35:35 1995 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: Ted Roberts , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mufflers and silencers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Ted Roberts wrote: > > > I was flipping through some catalogs, doing some wishful shopping, > > when I came across the pages of aftermarket exhaust systems with > > custom mufflers and silencers. I have the following questions: > > > > How does adding a silencer end cap (if that is how they work) affect a > > bike's performance? Will my mileage go down? Will I lose power? Are > > these things legal? Will it void a manufacturer's warranty? How much > > quieter can my already pretty quiet CB750 get? > > > > My bike is not that loud, but I do leave home early in the morning and > > would like to go as sneakily as possible. > > > > Hoping to learn more. > > > > Ted. To follow up on a few things I didn't respond to yesterday from you orignal post: It is, as far as I know, against EPA regulations to make these kinds of modifications. The EPA requires that the tuning on motorcycles, and probably cars too, be on the lean side to minimize hazardous emissions. These modifications may slightly lower your mileage depending on how much you change the state of tune from stock. There is also the chance that your bike could run more efficiently with these changes. I don't how these changes will effect the manufacturer's warranty. In all likelyhood, should the bike have an engine problem after putting on an aftermarket pipe, the manufacturer will not honor the warranty, but you should call to make sure. There maybe some specific brands of pipes that the manufacturer will accept as long as the mods are made at a certified shop. Any special reason you need to leave the house so "sneakily" or is it that you want to ARRIVE sneakily in the morning. ;^) Good luck, Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 10:34:59 1995 X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.03) From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:44:14 EST Subject: DC parking -at HUD? Anybody here park their bike at the HUD building in Southwest DC? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 10:50:20 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 10:08:00 EST Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: mufflers and silencers On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Ted Roberts wrote: > I was flipping through some catalogs, doing some wishful shopping, > when I came across the pages of aftermarket exhaust systems with > custom mufflers and silencers. I have the following questions: > > How does adding a silencer end cap (if that is how they work) affect a > bike's performance? Will my mileage go down? Will I lose power? Are > these things legal? Will it void a manufacturer's warranty? How much > quieter can my already pretty quiet CB750 get? > > My bike is not that loud, but I do leave home early in the morning and > would like to go as sneakily as possible. > > Hoping to learn more. > > Ted. Bryndyn has done a pretty good job, I think. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the difference between the words silencer & muffler. They both are designed to serve the same basic purpose. In many cases, I don't think the difference is anything other than marketing. The real key, which Bryndyn mentioned, is that aftermarket pipes will almost always be *louder* than your stock CB750 pipes. Just keep the revs down while you're in your neighborhood, and you'll be plenty quiet, I think. HTH, Bob Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 12:32:39 1995 From: "Bartlett, Mark" To: "Cycles, DC" Subject: RE: mufflers and silencers Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 12:32:00 edt Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >How does adding a silencer end cap (if that is how they work) affect a >bike's performance? Will my mileage go down? Will I lose power? Are I read Bryndyn and Bob's comment. But one of Ted's questions (above) made me curious. There's an FJ1200 in our parking lot that has what looks like some sort of end cap screwed into the muffler can. Maybe its just part of the aftermarket exhaust set up but it looks weird, with only small holes for exhaust gas exit. I'm not at all interested in making my bike more quiet. I believe that , within reason, a loud exhaust helps announce my vicinity to other drivers. But I've never seen these before and I'm curious. I imagine that if less restricted pipes result in mixture leanness (sp), then such "mutes" should, as already suggested, increase the richness of the mixture and upset the emission "police" unless jetting was adjusted to suit. Mark B From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 13:15:54 1995 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:15:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: "Bartlett, Mark" cc: "Cycles, DC" Subject: RE: mufflers and silencers In-Reply-To: <306ACE1C@SMTP2.mm.hub.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, Bartlett, Mark wrote: > > > >How does adding a silencer end cap (if that is how they work) affect a > >bike's performance? Will my mileage go down? Will I lose power? Are > > I read Bryndyn and Bob's comment. But one of Ted's questions (above) made > me curious. There's an FJ1200 in our parking lot that has what looks like > some sort of end cap screwed into the muffler can. Maybe its just part of > the aftermarket exhaust set up but it looks weird, with only small holes for > exhaust gas exit. I'm not at all interested in making my bike more quiet. I > believe that , within reason, a loud exhaust helps announce my vicinity to > other drivers. But I've never seen these before and I'm curious. I > imagine that if less restricted pipes result in mixture leanness (sp), then > such "mutes" should, as already suggested, increase the richness of the > mixture and upset the emission "police" unless jetting was adjusted to suit. > > Mark B > I believe those are Supertrapp pipes. I don't have any experience with these but they come with several disks that are mounted at the end. The disks are seperated by small spacers so I think you can vary how much restriction there is by varying how many of the disks you put on. This could add yet another touchy variable to a somewhat sensitive equation. Although many pipes will come with a jet kit for your specific bike and a recommended jetting setup, it can be a tricky thing to get right. The proper jetting varies with altitude, humidity, temperature, gas type, pipes, air box/filter arrangement, and other variables. It can be intimidating but if you want optimum performance you can't get around doing it. Best rule is to start out with a richer setup than you think you need and work towards more lean until you hit the performance you are looking for. Have fun, Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 13:20:51 1995 Subject: Re: Brake noise From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: darden@XXXXXX (Robert M Darden) cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 13:20:24 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A >to echo that, I've "junked" a couple of hondas and yamahas. If I >have a disc you can use, you are more than welcome to it. I don't >have one from a 450 specifically, but we could look at the important >things (diameter, thickness, off-set and bolt pattern [and yes, some >of us could explain each of these if need be]) and see if one would >fit. >bob > > Well - I went up to the shop today. I am not pleased. They couldn't recreate the noise to begin with. They roughed up the pads and the disc . They said it wasn't making the noise. I went up at lunch to get it. On the testdrive, it started making the noise again. They were inside when I drove up, so they didn't hear it. One of them came out, took the bike, and rode around. No noise. I took it - told him to stay out there, and then *I* drove it and *I* made it make the noise. So now they say that it might be the disk. But they aren't sure that that'll solve it. 275.00 just for the disc (rotor?). That's not counting the labor. Needless to say, I'm NOT a happy camper. Bob - I appreciate the offer, and I'd like to talk to you about what you have. I don't know of any way to cross reference what might fit what. Maybe someone out in Net-land may know. The shop isn't ordering anything right now. They are waiting to hear from me. Thanks, Caron From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 15:44:29 1995 X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.03) From: Chris Norloff To: crose@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:53:27 EST Subject: Re: Brake noise Addressed to: crose@XXXXXX dc-cycles > there, and then *I* drove it and *I* made it make the noise. So now they say > that it might be the disk. But they aren't sure that that'll solve it. 275.00 > just for the disc (rotor?). That's not counting the labor. > > Needless to say, I'm NOT a happy camper. Bob - I appreciate the offer, and I'd If you can't live with the noise, then I'd recommend getting a used part. Coleman Power Sports in Falls Church, VA, and P&F Cycle Salvage in Dover, Delaware come to mind. I've dealt with both (used parts only) and have found them to be okay. There are also ads in the back of motorcycle magazines (such as _Motorcyclist_) for salvage places with 800 phone numbers, allowing you to shop around a bit. good luck! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 16:11:51 1995 Subject: Re: Brake noise From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 16:09:43 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A > >If you can't live with the noise, then I'd recommend getting a used part. Coleman >Power Sports in Falls Church, VA, and P&F Cycle Salvage in Dover, Delaware come to >mind. I've dealt with both (used parts only) and have found them to be okay. >There are also ads in the back of motorcycle magazines (such as _Motorcyclist_) >for salvage places with 800 phone numbers, allowing you to shop around a bit. > >good luck! >Chris Norloff > If it's gonna cost me 350.00 to cure the noise, I may not have a choice but to live with it. I'm going to check the catalogs, as suggested in a previous message, but I'll also check for used parts, too. Thanks for the suggestion. Caron From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 16:36:21 1995 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:31:45 -0400 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: crose@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake noise Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII the best way to see if you have a disc that you can use is to put the 2 of them side by side looking at/measuring the hub diameter and bolt patterns, outside diameter, and thickness of the disc. on many honda parts there is a 3 digit product code ( they use letters and #'s they ran out of numers only in the late 70's ) if hte pieces are the same then they often have the same code. But a different paint or pattern might change the product code even though they are functionaly identical. K. Patrick Mahoney pmahoney@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 16:49:10 1995 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:47:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: Leslie Caron Rose cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake noise In-Reply-To: <950928160943.19526@mail03.mitre.org.0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, Leslie Caron Rose wrote: > > If it's gonna cost me 350.00 to cure the noise, I may not have a choice but to > live with it. I'm going to check the catalogs, as suggested in a previous > message, but I'll also check for used parts, too. Thanks for the suggestion. Without making any implications as to your riding skill, I wonder if there is something you're doing when you ride that is causing the noise. At this point I've lost track of whether it is the rear or front brake but if it's the rear perhaps you are putting some slight pressure on the pedal with your foot. I've also forgotten whether it occurs only when you are braking or at other times. If it is when you are braking perhaps you're not putting enough pressure on it. Just a thought. Good luck, Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 28 19:53:29 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: Brake noise To: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <950928160943.19526@mail03.mitre.org.0> from "Leslie Caron Rose" at Sep 28, 95 04:09:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 827 > > If it's gonna cost me 350.00 to cure the noise, I may not have a choice but to > live with it. I'm going to check the catalogs, as suggested in a previous > message, but I'll also check for used parts, too. Thanks for the suggestion. > I think they are suggesting replacing the disk because they haven't got a clue. Brake noises are caused by resonances in the whole brake/wheel assembly. I cured a nasty one on my BMW by tightening a loose caliper bolt once. Seems to me if you replace the disk, you will have a nice shiny new disk, with the same problem. From a purely visual/layman's eye, what does the disk look like? It should look pretty uniform. if it is warped or not true, a shop should have the equipment to ckeck it (as in a dial guage) and I hope they already have... Matt Bennett mjb@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 29 09:00:02 1995 X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.03) From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:09:12 EST Subject: Re: DC parking -at HUD? I just wanted to know how strict the parking patrol was there, about checking for HUD stickers. I saw about 8 bikes there, and 3 didn't have a HUD sticker. I work in the Capital Gallery office building (near you, I guess) and currently park over on 12th street. A closer place, particularly a place with some overhead shelter, would be very nice. You work with the FAA, I guess? I work for JIL Information Systems, supporting the FAA, specifically the AAR (Aviation Research) office, in human factors. Do you ride in to work; if so, where do you park? take care, Chris P.S. I tried to respond directly to you, but got "Local configuration error" with your address. Email me directly at cnorloff@XXXXXX so I see what you address comes through as. Thx. ** Reply to note from Daren Magness 09/28/95 1:00pm EST > I don't, but I know where you are talking about. Whaz up? > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: DC parking -at HUD? > Author: Chris Norloff at smtpgate > Date: 9/28/95 11:15 > > > Anybody here park their bike at the HUD building in Southwest DC? > > thanks, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 29 09:42:28 1995 X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.03) From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:51:37 EST Subject: Hondaline fairing for sale Hondaline Sport-Touring fairing for sale Fits 1979-1982 CB750F, probably fits CB900F and CB1100F also. Complete: fairing, lowers, all mounting hardware, wiring harness, adjustable halogen headlight, turn signals, fold-away mirrors, clock, oil temperature gauge, zippered pockets. Have original windscreen and Rifle add-on base unit with tall windscreen. Color black; good condition. $450. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX, (202)863-2680 days, or leave message at (301)994-2325. Please pass this to anyone or any other list or BBS that may be interested, thanks, Chris