From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 07:19:21 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:19:05 EDT Subject: Re: Mechanical Question Auto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/31/2004 4:08:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > I'm in the > middle of a clutch install on my C5 and it's a complete bitch. I said it was a pain in the ass. And it is BUT $1200 will buy a little K-Y ifyaknowwhatImean. (My wifes car is 4WD and is about equal to yours in the ass pain dept.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 13:28:17 2004 Subject: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:28:09 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of debris hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It was the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. 02 Yamaha Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. One Step forward, Two Steps back. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 13:42:49 2004 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:42:33 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Reality Check Part II At 01:28 PM 9/1/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It was >the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. That sucks. Sounds like it may be something your insurance might help with at least...defective roadway damage. >bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. Is it the calipers, or the rotor? >One Step forward, Two Steps back. I know that dance. It eventually ends and you get to do a fast march though. Hang in there. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:10:07 2004 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:09:27 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Julian Halton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reality Check Part II Julian Halton wrote: > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > bandit.com Call 1-888-MC-WHEEL in NH http://www.mcwheel.com/ We send all our bent and mangled rims to them, they do great work, and a lot cheaper than a new rim. I don't know what their turn-around time is like right now, but it's usually not too bad. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:12:04 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:11:30 -0400 There's a used one on Ebay that ends tonight, it might be worth looking at , of course YMMV. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248809812 3&category=10066 There'a also a set of chrom ones for $600.00 :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248856181 5&category=35601 Cedric Bernescut Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs 02 Yamaha Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. One Step forward, Two Steps back. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:23:55 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:23:50 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: 02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are always scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and what you need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow sympathetic riders. --smthng > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I > let my attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a > piece of debris hard enough to zing my back and send the > front tire in mid-air. It was the center piece of a manhole > cover that was protruding. > > 02 Yamaha > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 > bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping > correctly. > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it > looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 > for the calipers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:26:24 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:25:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reality Check Part II -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton 02 Yamaha Turns out my front wheel is effed... --------- What is wrong with the wheel, exactly? As Brian R. sez, it might be a candidate for straigthening. If that doesn't pan, out there are a lot of R6s around, so finding a wheel in a junkyard shouldn't be too hard. I don't know of an option that'll get you back on the road by the weekend, though. Seems like you're having a lot of vehicular woes lately. :( Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:28:10 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:23:50 -0400 > From: Jonathan W. Kalmes > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II > > 02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are always > scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and what you > need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow sympathetic > riders. > Also check crossroads cycles. They've got some... spare parts out behind their shop. > > >> As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. >> Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I >> let my attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a >> piece of debris hard enough to zing my back and send the >> front tire in mid-air. It was the center piece of a manhole >> cover that was protruding. >> >> 02 Yamaha >> Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 >> bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping >> correctly. >> Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it >> looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 >> for the calipers. > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:54:10 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:54:04 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , Besides cosmetics, are there any advantages to chrome wheels? -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II There's a used one on Ebay that ends tonight, it might be worth looking at , of course YMMV. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24880 9812 3&category=10066 There'a also a set of chrom ones for $600.00 :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24885 6181 5&category=35601 Cedric Bernescut Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs 02 Yamaha Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. One Step forward, Two Steps back. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:03:46 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:03:41 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , Yamaha r6 Have now been told it is rideable so may be in luck for my trip..although they say the dent is large enough to warrant replacement. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:24 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II 02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are always scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and what you need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow sympathetic riders. --smthng > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my > attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of debris > hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It > was the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. > > 02 Yamaha > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like > I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:04:16 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:47:16 -0400 $600? That's a pretty good price. I checked into chroming a spare set of wheels for my Concours and was quoted $700 - just for the chroming. I was able to pick up the two wheels for $300, which was a VERY good price. They even included decent rim protectors, and brake rotors... I am also a firm believer in repair, at least for car wheels. Ye Olde Wheel Shoppe in Elkridge has my business for the car. About $95 to repair a 17" car wheel - versus $400+ to replace. Turn around is about two weeks. Perry >From: bernescut@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:11:30 -0400 > >There's a used one on Ebay that ends tonight, it might be worth looking at >, >of course YMMV. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248809812 >3&category=10066 > >There'a also a set of chrom ones for $600.00 :) >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248856181 >5&category=35601 >Cedric Bernescut > >Inspirational Thought for the Day: > >http://tinyurl.com/zbgs > > >02 Yamaha >Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike >bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. >Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I >wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. > >One Step forward, Two Steps back. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:13:32 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:17 -0400 Julian, How rideable is it? Is it stable at highway speed? Does it hold air OK? You do NOT want to embark on a long trip with something that's going to wobble, or shimmy, or just run out of air when you're a couple of hundred miles away cruising along at 65 mph. If it is stable, then maybe you should check out the bling bling chrome wheels. That'll be a nice little upgrade to the bike, if you're so inclined. Otherwise, I agree with trying to find a cheap used wheel AND getting the original repaired. If you can pick up a spare wheel, you won't have any downtime while getting the other replaced. You can probably do that for less than the price of a new wheel. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , > >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:03:41 -0400 > >Yamaha r6 >Have now been told it is rideable so may be in luck for my >trip..although they say the dent is large enough to warrant replacement. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:24 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II > >02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are always >scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and what you >need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow sympathetic >riders. > >--smthng > > > > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my > > attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of debris > > hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It > > was the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. > > > > 02 Yamaha > > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > > bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. > > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like > > > I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:17:05 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:16:59 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Perry Coleman" , The big bump happened Friday night. I rode all weekend, fairly hard and did not notice anything. The mechanic says that at present no air is leaking. I noticed a "hesitation" on tight turns but other than that, I rode it at highway speeds comfortably. -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Julian, How rideable is it? Is it stable at highway speed? Does it hold air OK? You do NOT want to embark on a long trip with something that's going to wobble, or shimmy, or just run out of air when you're a couple of hundred miles away cruising along at 65 mph. If it is stable, then maybe you should check out the bling bling chrome wheels. That'll be a nice little upgrade to the bike, if you're so inclined. Otherwise, I agree with trying to find a cheap used wheel AND getting the original repaired. If you can pick up a spare wheel, you won't have any downtime while getting the other replaced. You can probably do that for less than the price of a new wheel. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , > >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:03:41 -0400 > >Yamaha r6 >Have now been told it is rideable so may be in luck for my >trip..although they say the dent is large enough to warrant replacement. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:24 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II > >02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are >always scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and >what you need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow >sympathetic riders. > >--smthng > > > > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my > > attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of > > debris hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in > > mid-air. It was the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. > > > > 02 Yamaha > > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > > bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. > > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks > > like > > > I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:27:19 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: More canceled races at Summit! Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:32:01 -0400 Damn, no CCS this weekend. I have season tickets and they have now promised some compensation for all the canceled races. If you have season tickets, you may want to call BSR. They don't have any idea WHAT the compensation will be. I'll settle for tickets for next year. Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:34:34 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:17:07 -0400 Oops! That should read "repaired" not "replaced". >From: "Perry Coleman" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II >Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:17 -0400 > [snip] >used wheel AND getting the original repaired. If you can pick up a spare >wheel, you won't have any downtime while getting the other replaced. You >can probably do that for less than the price of a new wheel. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:46:19 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:46:01 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reality Check Part II If you have collision, that will do it. Between Pennsylvania and DC, my GSX1100G went through three front wheels :-( Thanks, Progressive :-) Michael J. On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:28:09 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my > attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of debris > hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It was > the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. > > 02 Yamaha > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I > wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. > > One Step forward, Two Steps back. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 16:08:22 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:09:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: air conditioned vest http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1086244.html?menu=news.quirkies Air conditioning for motorbikes An Israeli inventor has designed what he claims is the world's first air-conditioning unit for motorbikes. Physicist Glen Guttman from company Entrosys said the device was technologically simple. But he added: "Like any simple idea, you have to think it up, and then you have to implement it." The bike is fitted with an electronic unit powered by a standard motorcycle battery which funnels cold air into a thermal vest worn under the biker's jacket. Speaking to Israel Army Radio, Guttman said the air conditioning unit was a small, lightweight box that fitted into the vehicle's storage compartment and was connected to the driver's body by a rubber tube. "The torso is the obvious target for air conditioning if you take into account the human physiology," said Guttman. The system cost )B£278,000 to develop, which Guttman raised through investors, and he now hopes the cooling motorbike air conditioning unit will be on the market by the middle of next year. He said each unit would cost "several hundred pounds" and would first hit European and American shores. The inventor said, however, that he will not be testing the unit himself: "My investors don't want me to ride a motorbike myself. They want to make sure I stay safe." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 16:53:42 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: air conditioned vest To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Great. The SUV-ification of bikes continues. --- Erick Singley wrote: > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1086244.html?menu=news.quirkies > > Air conditioning for motorbikes > > An Israeli inventor has designed what he claims is > the world's first > air-conditioning unit for motorbikes. > > Physicist Glen Guttman from company Entrosys said > the device was > technologically simple. > > But he added: "Like any simple idea, you have to > think it up, and > then you have to implement it." > > The bike is fitted with an electronic unit powered > by a standard > motorcycle battery which funnels cold air into a > thermal vest worn > under the biker's jacket. > > Speaking to Israel Army Radio, Guttman said the air > conditioning unit > was a small, lightweight box that fitted into the > vehicle's storage > compartment and was connected to the driver's body > by a rubber tube. > > "The torso is the obvious target for air > conditioning if you take > into account the human physiology," said Guttman. > > The system cost )B£278,000 to develop, which Guttman > raised through > investors, and he now hopes the cooling motorbike > air conditioning > unit will be on the market by the middle of next > year. > > He said each unit would cost "several hundred > pounds" and would first > hit European and American shores. > > The inventor said, however, that he will not be > testing the unit > himself: "My investors don't want me to ride a > motorbike myself. They > want to make sure I stay safe." > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 17:00:18 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:00:14 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: air conditioned vest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MK: > >Great. The SUV-ification of bikes continues. > [Dave] Eh. As long as we're not staring down the barrel of Venti sized cup holders, cell phone holders, mega-watt subwoofers, etc... I think we're safe. For now. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 17:09:14 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.182) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Sep 2004 21:08:55 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:08:54 -0500 Subject: Best place to buy a DL650? Anyone got any opinions about what's the best Suzuki store in the area? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 17:37:37 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: air conditioned vest To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > MK: > >Great. The SUV-ification of bikes continues. > [Dave] Eh. As long as we're not staring down the > barrel of > Venti sized cup holders, cell phone holders, > mega-watt > subwoofers, etc... I think we're safe. For now. I've got a cup holder and a cell phone holder (hands free of course) on each of my bikes. AC and sub-woofers probably use a lot of power, I'll pass on those. Leon. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 17:37:50 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II From: lister lynch To: Perry Coleman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:37:28 -0400 The other advantage of 2 wheels is that you can have new tires mounted, replace the bearings, etc. and have virtually no downtime on the bike. Mike > >From: "Perry Coleman" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II > >Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:17 -0400 > > > [snip] > >used wheel AND getting the original repaired. If you can pick up a spare > >wheel, you won't have any downtime while getting the other replaced. You > >can probably do that for less than the price of a new wheel. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 18:00:01 2004 X-Spam-Check-By: yes.devclue.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Best place to buy a DL650? X-Virus-Checked: Checked On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, David Blumgart wrote: > Anyone got any opinions about what's the best Suzuki store in the area? I got a great price ($5500 out the door, IIRC) and good service from Romney Cycle Center in Romney, WV. They didn't have the color I wanted (black) in stock, but were happy to order it for me, and I got it about a week after my first phone call to them. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 18:21:07 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Why have they been cancelling races at Summit Point? --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Damn, no CCS this weekend. I have season tickets and they have now promised > some compensation for all the canceled races. If you have season tickets, > you may want to call BSR. They don't have any idea WHAT the compensation > will be. I'll settle for tickets for next year. > > Gary Foreman > > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 18:37:26 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: More canceled races at Summit! Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400 I'm not sure if all of the cancelled races were scheduled on the new track (not finished), or if other races that were scheduled for the new track are bumping the cycle races out of the picture. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:hughtwg@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:21 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! Why have they been cancelling races at Summit Point? --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Damn, no CCS this weekend. I have season tickets and they have now > promised some compensation for all the canceled races. If you have > season tickets, you may want to call BSR. They don't have any idea > WHAT the compensation will be. I'll settle for tickets for next year. > > Gary Foreman > > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 19:07:53 2004 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:07:30 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Gary Foreman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! All the CCS races for the second half of the year were scheduled on the new circuit which isn't finished yet. Beyond that ... the new circuit may have some serious safety issues (it's lined with concrete walls), so it's all up in the air as to what is going to happen when it's finally completed. - Roach Gary Foreman wrote: > I'm not sure if all of the cancelled races were scheduled on the new track > (not finished), or if other races that were scheduled for the new track are > bumping the cycle races out of the picture. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 19:09:58 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: More canceled races at Summit! Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:14:46 -0400 What WERE THEY THINKING????? -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:08 PM To: Gary Foreman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! All the CCS races for the second half of the year were scheduled on the new circuit which isn't finished yet. Beyond that ... the new circuit may have some serious safety issues (it's lined with concrete walls), so it's all up in the air as to what is going to happen when it's finally completed. - Roach Gary Foreman wrote: > I'm not sure if all of the cancelled races were scheduled on the new > track (not finished), or if other races that were scheduled for the > new track are bumping the cycle races out of the picture. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 19:20:15 2004 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:27:36 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Gary Foreman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! Gary Foreman wrote: >What WERE THEY THINKING????? > > > View photos here: http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56744&highlight=shenandoah+circuit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 22:57:16 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II To: "Daniel H. Brown" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > Also check crossroads cycles. They've got some... spare parts out > behind their shop. Yeah, and if they don't have it, they might be willing to steal it off a customer bike and sell it to you (like the brake reservoir, lever, etc. they stole off my VF500F). -- Larry _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 00:42:31 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:41:08 -0400 To: Laura Roach , Gary Foreman From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:27 PM 9/1/04 -0400, Laura Roach wrote: >Gary Foreman wrote: > >>What WERE THEY THINKING????? >> >View photos here: > >http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56744&highlight=shenandoah +circuit I'm no racer, but I know I wouldn't want to hit those walls at speed without a roll cage around me (and I wouldn't be very eager to do it even then). There appears to be a fair bit of space between the paved track and the walls...perhaps they are planning some sort of buffer zone, full of hay bales and snow fence (or other energy absorbing systems), for that space? That might make more sense...with the concrete there only as a last resort to keep a vehicle from crossing into oncoming traffic? I don't see where the deer come into it though...those walls won't stop any wildlife from getting onto the track. Deer could clear it with a slight hop, and most smaller lifeforms could either climb it, fly over it or tunnel under it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 01:04:02 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:03:54 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? Stupid cager, perhaps? http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=10419 -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 01:57:30 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:57:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Indian Larry is dead... Just found out about this. It's a real shame. Just based on what I've seen of him on various TV shows, especially in how he conducted himself in the Biker Buildoff against Billy Lane, he was one guy I'd have liked to meet someday. At least he went doing what he loved doing, and given what he described of his philosophy of life on some of the TV appearances, I doubt he'd be upset about how things worked out. He was one of a kind for sure. This is one article I found: 'Indian Larry' Said Killed at Bike Show CONCORD, N.C. August 30, 2004; The AP reported that a custom motorcycle builder known for his appearances on cable's Discovery Channel died Monday at a hospital of head injuries suffered during a stunt, officials said. "Indian Larry" fell off a motorcycle Saturday while performing before 8,000 people at an arena outside Charlotte. He was not wearing a helmet, the officials said. Indian Larry was standing on the moving bike when it began to wobble and went out of control, said Mike Downs, Cabarrus County deputy manager. His full name was not immediately known. "Indian Larry was a man with great skill and talent as a mechanic and metal sculptor," said Robert Freeman, chairman of the county board of commissioners. "He will be truly missed by his fans here in Cabarrus County and throughout the nation." Indian Larry, who appeared in movies and television shows, was featured on a Discovery Channel series in which motorcycle builders design and build bikes from scratch, then have them judged by motorcycle aficionados. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 08:40:34 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:40:23 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX SJ baits us with: >Stupid cager, perhaps? > >http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp? insert=10419 [Dave] I would be SHOCKED if these allegations were true. SHOCKED I tell you. A poorly skilled SUV pilot. Nary a chance of that happening. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 09:04:26 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Indian Larry is dead... On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Just found out about this. It's a real shame. Just based on what I've > seen of him on various TV shows, especially in how he conducted himself in > the Biker Buildoff against Billy Lane, he was one guy I'd have liked to > meet someday. At least he went doing what he loved doing, and given what > he described of his philosophy of life on some of the TV appearances, I > doubt he'd be upset about how things worked out. He was one of a kind for > sure. I don't know if Larry ever posted here, but his friends hang out on this message board - www.ironcross.net - click on Back Talk. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 09:24:38 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Dave Yates'" , Subject: RE: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:24:31 -0400 This just makes both parties wrong. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:40 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? SJ baits us with: >Stupid cager, perhaps? > >http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp? insert=10419 [Dave] I would be SHOCKED if these allegations were true. SHOCKED I tell you. A poorly skilled SUV pilot. Nary a chance of that happening. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 10:50:48 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:50:45 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New here! Hey all im new here. i live in fairfax county, but durring the school year i live in frostburg Md. I purchased a 1990 Suzuki Gs-500 about a month ago and am LOVING it! Yes i have taken the MSF class, yes i have gear (most). as a matter of fact i used to be subscribed to this board about 4 years ago when i thought i wanted an R6 as my first bike. HAH. thanks for all those who back then helped me get into the MSF class ect. anyways im 22 and cant get enough of this bike, i went on my first ride in the twisties out on clifton road. it was so sweet. it scared the piss outta me i was taking 15 MPH turns at like 25 and it felt sooo good. going in the turn i felt like i was going to fast but when i got through it seemed like i was barely creeping through it lol. anyways sorry to rant but i had soo much fun, if i cna only find a noob riding partner:P comments and questions more then welcome! Eric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 11:06:32 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:06:04 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates SJ baits us with: >Stupid cager, perhaps? > >http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp? insert=10419 [Dave] I would be SHOCKED if these allegations were true. SHOCKED I tell you. A poorly skilled SUV pilot. Nary a chance of that happening. Dave Yates ------ Hmmm, just like we teach in the MSF: most crashes are caused by a combo of factors. The Exploder pilot was 16 years old too. We need graduated licensing for cagers. Everyone should learn to drive on a 1973 Pinto, like I did. No need to augment that youthful feeling of invincibility. The Pinto certainly fit the bill on that score. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 11:30:51 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:30:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Best place to buy a DL650? To: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX David - I'm real happy with my experience in buying from Champions in Herndon. I got a price from Romney, and Champion matched it. Of course, this was last November, and the Bandits weren't exactly flying out the door..... Still, might be worth a shot. Brian Ray --- David Blumgart wrote: > Anyone got any opinions about what's the best Suzuki > store in the area? > -- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 11:37:36 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:37:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Driver training (was: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought?) At 11:06 AM 9/2/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Everyone should learn to drive on a 1973 Pinto, like I did. No need to augment that youthful feeling of invincibility. The Pinto certainly fit the bill on that score. I agree. I got taught in a combination of a '63 Mercury Montclair and a '67 VW Bug...but the Bug was my first car. You could drive it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. If I'd gotten something like a '70 Baracuda I'd have gotten in a lot more trouble. Drove one once...thinking about looking for one again...now that I have a full-face helmet and leathers and am therefore "mature"... ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:12:25 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:12:02 EDT Subject: Re: New here! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Welcome (back) to the list. Glad to hear that someone out there listened to the advice of us old coots and didn't go buying an R6 as their first bike at the tender age of 18. LOL Have fun on the Suzuk and, in a couple years, THEN go out and buy an R6. ;-) That's what I did and I am so glad I waited. Totaled one bike in my first year of riding and dumped my second one. =8-0. This one's my baby. :-) Who is now not so pristine as someone tried to steal it a couple weekends ago and tipped it over. :-( Few minor scratches on the nose, headlight, front fender and right side lower due to hitting the concrete column it was parked beside. Got me off the fence about buying an alarm though. I can't wait for the first person to try to take it and get an earful. :-) Scooter (2000 R6 - Alarmed and dangerous) In a message dated 9/2/2004 10:51:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eric.geary@XXXXXX writes: Hey all im new here. i live in fairfax county, but durring the school year i live in frostburg Md. I purchased a 1990 Suzuki Gs-500 about a month ago and am LOVING it! Yes i have taken the MSF class, yes i have gear (most). as a matter of fact i used to be subscribed to this board about 4 years ago when i thought i wanted an R6 as my first bike. HAH. thanks for all those who back then helped me get into the MSF class ect. anyways im 22 and cant get enough of this bike, i went on my first ride in the twisties out on clifton road. it was so sweet. it scared the piss outta me i was taking 15 MPH turns at like 25 and it felt sooo good. going in the turn i felt like i was going to fast but when i got through it seemed like i was barely creeping through it lol. anyways sorry to rant but i had soo much fun, if i cna only find a noob riding partner:P comments and questions more then welcome! Eric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:17:09 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Sep 2004 16:13:19 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:13:19 -0500 Subject: Driver training Mike wrote: >> ...the ['67] Bug was my first car. You could drive >> it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping >> clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the >> gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never >> exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get >> "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured >> with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. A '67? You had the high-performance upgrade with the 1500cc engine, and, I think, 50 (Count 'em! 50!) horsepower. I learned on a '63 which still had the 1200 engine. That car would teach you patience. And my first bike (just to keep from getting busted for going too far off list-topic) was a 1965 175cc Jawa two-stroke street bike that wouldn't go over 65 mph, and a damn good thing, too. I rode it from Brattleboro VT to College Park MD in the summer of '70, all on back roads. Unlike most OF's reminiscing about their first bike, I'm quite happy I don't have that POS today. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:18:00 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:17:45 EDT Subject: Re: Driver training (was: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we th... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A VW Bug......aaaahhhhhhh.......memories. I still remember being a kid and swimming in the pool at my grandparents and watching my sister come barreling through the field straight towards us in my grandfathers bug. He was giving her lessons in the 2-3 acre back yard and the look of panic on his face got everybody out of the pool real quick. She swerved and missed but, I think he ended the lesson real quick after that. lol Scooter (learned in a 84 Subaru wagon) In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:37:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: At 11:06 AM 9/2/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Everyone should learn to drive on a 1973 Pinto, like I did. No need to augment that youthful feeling of invincibility. The Pinto certainly fit the bill on that score. I agree. I got taught in a combination of a '63 Mercury Montclair and a '67 VW Bug...but the Bug was my first car. You could drive it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. If I'd gotten something like a '70 Baracuda I'd have gotten in a lot more trouble. Drove one once...thinking about looking for one again...now that I have a full-face helmet and leathers and am therefore "mature"... ;-) -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:43:16 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:44:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: HOT lanes OK, I'll admit I could do more research but here's a quick question. I understand they'll be putting HOT lanes on some sections of the beltway, Rt 270 and Rt 95 at some point. (six years for the beltway one) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36655-2004Aug26.html) It looks like the lane would be Jersey Walled off. Now, as Abe on the 'Simpsons' said about social security- "I didn't ask for it, I don't want it, but if they miss a payment I'll raise hell!" The article doesn't specifically mention motorcycles, but can I assume that since it's meant for HOV (and those with more money than time) that we can ride in it? If so, though I'm not really for the idea of HOT, I'd ride in them for free... Erick 74' CB-750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:59:30 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:59:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOT lanes -----Original Message----- From: Erick Singley OK, I'll admit I could do more research but here's a quick question. I understand they'll be putting HOT lanes on some sections of the beltway, Rt 270 and Rt 95 at some point. (six years for the beltway one) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36655-2004Aug26.html) It looks like the lane would be Jersey Walled off. Now, as Abe on the 'Simpsons' said about social security- "I didn't ask for it, I don't want it, but if they miss a payment I'll raise hell!" The article doesn't specifically mention motorcycles, but can I assume that since it's meant for HOV (and those with more money than time) that we can ride in it? If so, though I'm not really for the idea of HOT, I'd ride in them for free... Erick 74' CB-750 ----- Motorcycles are such an afterthought, VDOT and Fluor Daniel (their private sector partner) probably haven't even given moto any consideration yet. Given that motos are HOV-eligible elsewhere, I don't see why we would be excluded. I have to wonder about the practicality of this whole scheme. There's some serious construction that needs to happen, flyovers, etc. Even though Fluor Daniel gets the right-of-way for "free", they'd have to raise some serious scratch from tolls to service the debt on the project. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 13:35:27 2004 Subject: RE: New here! Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:35:17 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > Hey all im new here. i live in fairfax county, but durring > the school year i live in frostburg Md. I purchased a 1990 > Suzuki Gs-500 about a month ago and am LOVING it! Nice bike... A very nice balance between power, style, comfort and fun on that one. Enjoy. :) > sorry to rant but i had soo much fun, if i cna only find a > noob riding partner:P I'm not a newb, but I ride with a couple. :) I've got a distant relative who's bike I'm restoring (must remember to order new gas tank today) and I'll be teaching him on that as soon as it's running (another three weeks or so I hope). I've also got a couple of guys at work I go riding with on a regular basis. They ride cruisers though, so it feels like they're newbs (that's somewhat tongue in cheek... A Victory can corner far better than I would have expected it to be able to). :P We're probably going to be doing a fairly long ride out to Shenandoah this Saturday. Anyway, welcome aboard! --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:08:24 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Makes you wonder... Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:07:53 -0400 The "C" place won "Best New Dealership" from Ducati North America. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040902b.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:10:58 2004 Subject: RE: Makes you wonder... Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:10:52 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , They have always been great to me so can only recommend their service department. I have not tried to buy a bike there yet. -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Makes you wonder... The "C" place won "Best New Dealership" from Ducati North America. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040902b.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:12:07 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:12:01 -0400 To: "David Blumgart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Driver training At 11:13 AM 9/2/04 -0500, David Blumgart wrote: >Mike wrote: > >>> ...the ['67] Bug was my first car. You could drive >>> it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping >>> clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the >>> gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never >>> exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get >>> "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured >>> with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. > >A '67? You had the high-performance upgrade with the 1500cc engine, and, I think, 50 (Count 'em! 50!) horsepower. It's been a while, but I seem to remember it as 1600cc and 65 HP...very similar to what my Harley has! Have to look it up to be sure. >I learned on a '63 which still had the 1200 engine. That car would teach you patience. I suspect your brakes weren't any better than mine were, so it also taught you to plan ahead, and use the engine to slow down. I once tried a panic stop from 50mph...the brake effect was about 1/3 of what I started with by the time I got stopped, and I was really starting to wonder if I'd get stopped before I was well into the intersection. Brake shoes an inch wide don't get you much...especially when they get hot...or wet. On the other hand, I did once get that car through water that was halfway up the doors (Hurricane Agnes I think...summer of '74 anyway). Revved the engine to keep the pipes from backing up, kept moving so the engine was in the shallower "wake", and ignored the front end floating slightly off the roadway and the waves breaking on the windshield. Did about 300 yards that way, then pulled up on a friend's front lawn to wait for the water to go down (ended up wading home and coming back for it later...a good thing, as it got deeper before it got shallower). Only four vehicles made it through: me, a Renault (that flooded the driver in the process...I stayed dry ;-), a city dumptruck with a 3' ground clearance and a Honda CVCC. A cop car and several big Detroit-like things all stalled out. The cop was standing on his hood (Ford Torino) waving for people to keep back as I passed him. ;-) [BTW - the water wasn't moving or that would have been seriously stupid. This was Va. Beach, which is flatter than Kansas...which is why the water was there to start with.] >And my first bike (just to keep from getting busted for going too far off list-topic) was a 1965 175cc Jawa two-stroke street bike that wouldn't go over 65 mph, and a damn good thing, too. Mine was an '82 (or was it '83?) Yamaha XT-550 enduro...I once got it up to 78mph, and I decided never to do that again. It's way too light (just over 300 lbs) and the knobby tires weren't really intended for those speeds on pavement! It shook like a cheap lawnmower at any speed, and at that speed the 1 cylinder engine was threatening to leave the bike. Low end torque and going over almost anything were its strengths, not speed. >Unlike most OF's reminiscing about their first bike, I'm quite happy I don't have that POS today. I wouldn't mind having the Yamaha again, but only if I had a farm so there'd be a decent place to ride it often. It's not really at its best in the 'burbs...though given the way D.C.'s paving crews work, it might be ideal for the city! ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:17:28 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:17:23 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: New here! At 01:35 PM 9/2/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > >like they're newbs (that's somewhat tongue in cheek... A Victory can >corner far better than I would have expected it to be able to). At legal speeds, or even slightly above them, almost all bikes can corner just fine. You don't need to "drag a knee" except on a track. >We're probably going to be doing a fairly long ride out to Shenandoah >this Saturday. Maybe we'll see each other...the MC-HOGs have a ride planned to go out to Luray on Saturday. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:48:33 2004 Subject: RE: New here! Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:48:20 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > At legal speeds, or even slightly above them, almost all > bikes can corner just fine. I guess "nimble" would have been a more applicable description. My Shadow Ace could corner quite well, but would usually slide the back wheel out a bit entering the second portion of a tight S curve. My pal's Victory does a much better job. I'm guessing his suspension is much more capable than my Shadow's was. > You don't need to "drag a knee" except on a track. Not these knees! The only time I get that low is when I serious F'ed up something. :o > Maybe we'll see each other...the MC-HOGs have a ride planned > to go out to Luray on Saturday. Hope so... Looks like my pal is considering backing out though. So, if you see a blue FZ1 with lots of blue bags and gear with a red helmet all on his lonesome, that'd be me. Enjoy! --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 15:07:26 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:07:13 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: New here! At 02:48 PM 9/2/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >> At legal speeds, or even slightly above them, almost all >> bikes can corner just fine. > >I guess "nimble" would have been a more applicable description. My >Shadow Ace could corner quite well, but would usually slide the back >wheel out a bit entering the second portion of a tight S curve. My >pal's Victory does a much better job. I'm guessing his suspension is >much more capable than my Shadow's was. Could be I suppose...or maybe the tires are better suited to the weight? Or just newer? Don't know enough about suspensions to guess any better than that. Maybe some of the racers here will comment. >> You don't need to "drag a knee" except on a track. > >Not these knees! The only time I get that low is when I serious F'ed up >something. :o My bike won't get even close to that, so my beat-up old knees are safe. More than about a 28 degree lean and I start dragging hard parts. Done it a few times now. On the right side it's the hose clamps that hold the front cylinder's heat shield onto the muffler (abused that one a couple of times and it broke later while parked...at least they are cheap! ;-). Not sure what will drag on the left side...probably either the jiffy stand or the floorboard support bracket. So far I haven't dragged that side. >> Maybe we'll see each other...the MC-HOGs have a ride planned >> to go out to Luray on Saturday. > >Hope so... Looks like my pal is considering backing out though. So, if >you see a blue FZ1 with lots of blue bags and gear with a red helmet all >on his lonesome, that'd be me. Enjoy! I'll keep an eye out for you. I'll be the Teal/Silver '04 Heritage Classic with the black leather studded bags and windsheild. Not sure what helmet I'll take...either a black full face or a black half helmet with a few stickers on it. Most likely a black H-D nylon jacket too, though I may take the mesh if it's warm enough. Also not sure how many bikes will be in the group...could be just a few up to a few dozen. Most rides seem to be between 9 and 20 lately. There will probably be at least one or two with loud pipes though. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 16:25:04 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:24:44 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles CC: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Makes you wonder... Julian Halton wrote: > They have always been great to me so can only recommend their service > department. I have not tried to buy a bike there yet. 1999, me at Colemans: "Yes, I'd like to look at the new Ducati 900SS, but I don't see one on the floor." Salesman: "Oh, yea, we got some of those in crates I think." Me, after pausing for him to say/do something else: "ooookaaay. Any idea when they're going to be leaving those crates and making an appearance?" Salesman: "Hmm, not really. Maybe this week sometime." Me, again, after waiting for something ... like an offer to have one uncrated: "Okey Doke ... I guess I'll be going to buy one somewhere else then." I called Batley Cycles, drove there, and bought one. ::shrug:: - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 16:38:28 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New here! To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > Maybe we'll see each other...the MC-HOGs have a ride > planned > > to go out to Luray on Saturday. > > Hope so... Looks like my pal is considering backing out > though. So, if > you see a blue FZ1 with lots of blue bags and gear with a > red helmet all > on his lonesome, that'd be me. Enjoy! what's in the bags? odd that they'd make a day trip with you.... even odder that you'd include them in your signature line. i sense a bag fetish. > --smthng > > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech > Sport saddle and > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's > Jet Kit, Cox > Racing sliders, AIS removed __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 16:38:54 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II To: "Daniel H. Brown" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > Yeah, and if they don't have it, they might be willing to steal it off a > customer > > bike and sell it to you (like the brake reservoir, lever, etc. they stole off > my VF500F). > > So, whats the rest of the story? Did they replace it? No, nada, nothing. No response to two letters. I may sue them yet. This was a really excellent condition bike -- 4K original miles -- that they had for many months while supposedly looking for a replacement head. When they finally decided they couldn't locate one, they called, had me pay them for the work they had done getting it running at all(~$450), then dropped the bike off in my driveway rusted, full of dirt and leaves, and missing the entire right bar cluster. I have no idea how those people have earned a decent reputation -- they certainly didn't deserve it in my case. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 17:13:11 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: HOT lanes Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:13:16 -0400 > The article doesn't specifically > mention motorcycles, but can I assume that since it's meant > for HOV (and those with more money than time) that we can > ride in it? If so, though I'm not really for the idea of > HOT, I'd ride in them for free... HOT lanes are essentially HOV lanes that single passenger automobiles can ride by paying a (fairly stiff, usually) fee. They are gated using "Smart Tag" type technology to keep people from merely drifting over into them to avoid the tolls. Vehicles presently authorized to use HOV lanes can use HOT lanes free. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 17:43:09 2004 Subject: RE: New here! Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:43:01 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > what's in the bags? A jack, rachet and socket kit, carb sync tools, etc. Hehe, just kidding. Rain gear and alternate shoes takes up one saddlebag, food, drinks, rags for wiping faceshield (glasses, exhaust pipe, whatever), cell phone, watch, maps, and other miscellaneous crap. > odd that they'd make a day trip with > you.... even odder that you'd include them in your signature > line. i sense a bag fetish. Er... I won't admit to that in anyway other than to say "bags are cool". Just wait till I figure out how to permanently attach a tent, stove and fridge! :P --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 17:59:35 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOT lanes Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:59:39 -0400 UGH Post makes you register. You can paste the link into google and then click on the article. You get the google referer and then you don't have to register. I dunno if anyone here has ever played SimCity but no matter what you do once your city gets so big traffic always beomces a problem and building more roads never solves it. :) Maybe not a scientific analysis but it's how I feel about the situation. A lot of people make a lot of money in the DC area (I judge by the countless luxury cars and trucks) and those HOT lanes are just gonna fill up because a toll isn't going to be enough of a deterent. I mean look at the Toll road, that fills up and it's all tolls, unless the toll is gonna be rediculously high it's not gonna do anything. Regards, Rob "About to commute home and not looking forward to it" Sharp On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:44:05 -0400, Erick Singley wrote > OK, I'll admit I could do more research but here's a quick question. > I understand they'll be putting HOT lanes on some sections of the > beltway, Rt 270 and Rt 95 at some point. (six years for the beltway > one) > (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36655-2004Aug26.html) > It looks like the lane would be Jersey Walled off. > > Now, as Abe on the 'Simpsons' said about social security- "I didn't > ask for it, I don't want it, but if they miss a payment I'll raise > hell!" The article doesn't specifically mention motorcycles, but > can I assume that since it's meant for HOV (and those with more > money than time) that we can ride in it? If so, though I'm not > really for the idea of HOT, I'd ride in them for free... > > Erick > 74' CB-750 -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 19:07:30 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:07:22 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Driver training My first car was an early '68 (swingaxle instead of IRS). I ended up putting disc brakes on it (from the Ghia), KYB gas shocks, steel braided brake lines, and spiffy wheels with better rubber. I then put in a dual-port 1600 engine from a '74 Super Beetle. All around, that was the "funnest" car I've ever driven. The thing handled like a go-cart, and was a little bit faster - chicks dug it too. On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:13:19 -0500, David Blumgart wrote: > Mike wrote: > > >> ...the ['67] Bug was my first car. You could drive > >> it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping > >> clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the > >> gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never > >> exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get > >> "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured > >> with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. > > A '67? You had the high-performance upgrade with the 1500cc engine, and, I think, 50 (Count 'em! 50!) horsepower. I learned on a '63 which still had the 1200 engine. -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 19:22:52 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Driver training Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:21:40 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7917c54580462538d74dcd79faacd105b7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c SJ: > My first car was an early '68 ...- chicks dug it too. [Dave] Nah... They probably just felt sorry for you ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 20:04:24 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FS: '98 Honda SuperHawk - VTR1000F Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:04:50 -0400 Sorry for the FS post.... For Sale '98 Honda SuperHawk - VTR1000F $3,700 more info on CraigList; http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/41320196.html Somebody mentioned on the list before, thinking about buying a SuperHawk.... Shigeru Honda @ Alexandria, VA 301-602-9431 (M) 703-535-8625 (H) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 20:10:39 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: , , "DC Cycles" Subject: Duc Dealer awards Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:10:31 -0400 I was excited to see that Munroe Motors won!! I know a few people associated with that dealership who have kindly offered use of a bike for a day or two if I am ever in town and I plan on taking them up on it sometime! I guess they don't know how much damage I can inflict on a motorcycle in one day!! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR600, track only. Subject: RE: Makes you wonder... Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:10:52 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , They have always been great to me so can only recommend their service department. I have not tried to buy a bike there yet. -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Makes you wonder... The "C" place won "Best New Dealership" from Ducati North America. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040902b.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 20:29:04 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: FS '99 Lexus RX300 was Re: FS: '98 Honda SuperHawk - VTR1000F To: DC-Cycles moto sales are perfectly appropriate for this list. cage sales, such as the following, are not. '99 Lexus RX300, 4WD, 80k trouble-free miles (to be expected), burgandy, loaded, excellent condition, $17000. 301 675-3980. for those of you who time and again refer to "SWMBO," this just might get you some action. --- Shigeru Honda wrote: > Sorry for the FS post.... > > For Sale '98 Honda SuperHawk - VTR1000F $3,700 > more info on CraigList; > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/41320196.html > > Somebody mentioned on the list before, thinking about > buying a SuperHawk.... > > Shigeru Honda @ Alexandria, VA > 301-602-9431 (M) > 703-535-8625 (H) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 21:00:40 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Smiles at DC Inspection Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:00:18 -0400 At my DC inspection this morning, nice news from one of the uniformed - . MC inspections are now good for TWO YEARS, starting a couple of months ago: My new sticker is dated 2006. . The latest due date for the Northeast station reopening is Jan-Feb. And other notes: The whole process at Half Street took about 20m (midmorning near the first of the month). The routine followed precedent - lights, horn, rev it (smoke?/sound?), bounce the front end (shock?/brake?), and with glances at the tires and notation of the mileage. No emissions test. A final smile was brought on by the final pprwk that showed "Notice of Passed Bus Inspection" and a detailed brake inspection printout (those people are fast - I noticed no braking measurements being taken at all). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Finally. Two years. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 22:09:44 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:07:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: HOT lanes At 05:59 PM 9/2/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: >I dunno if anyone here has ever played SimCity but no matter what you do once >your city gets so big traffic always beomces a problem and building more roads >never solves it. :) Maybe not a scientific analysis but it's how I feel >about the situation. I agree. The solution isn't more roads with or without HOV lanes. It isn't mass transit either...except for getting from one place in a city to another place in the city. The solution is to decentralize so that everyone isn't trying to get to/from the same place twice a day, all at once. Makes you less of an attractive target for hostile parties too, whether nation-states or terrorist groups. If the government would just put their offices all around the country, rather than bunching them all up in the district, we'd save money (lower rents elsewhere), decrease vulnerability, and let more congresscritters brag about bringing home more pork by moving jobs into their districts. We could still keep the District as the official home of the President and Congress and the Supremes, but move out everyone else. Most workers don't need access to those places anyway, and much of what is needed can be done with telemeetings from anywhere. It's not horse-and-buggy time anymore...this is the 21st Century. In short, like Moe used to say: "Spread out!" -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 22:17:04 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: HOT lanes Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:05:00 -0400 I think I heard HOV will be 3 not 2. Aren't they kicking hybrids out of HOV lanes? >From: "Michael Jordan" >To: >Subject: RE: HOT lanes >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:13:16 -0400 > > > The article doesn't specifically > > mention motorcycles, but can I assume that since it's meant > > for HOV (and those with more money than time) that we can > > ride in it? If so, though I'm not really for the idea of > > HOT, I'd ride in them for free... > >HOT lanes are essentially HOV lanes that single passenger automobiles can >ride by paying a (fairly stiff, usually) fee. They are gated using "Smart >Tag" type technology to keep people from merely drifting over into them to >avoid the tolls. > >Vehicles presently authorized to use HOV lanes can use HOT lanes free. > >Michael J. > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 08:19:20 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOT lanes Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:19:10 -0400 Did I hear the toll road is going to $1 at the plaza? And when do they officially team up w/ EZ Pass? >From: "Rob Sharp" >To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: HOT lanes >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:59:39 -0400 >I dunno if anyone here has ever played SimCity but no matter what you do >once >your city gets so big traffic always beomces a problem and building more >roads >never solves it. :) Maybe not a scientific analysis but it's how I feel >about the situation. A lot of people make a lot of money in the DC area (I >judge by the countless luxury cars and trucks) and those HOT lanes are just >gonna fill up because a toll isn't going to be enough of a deterent. I >mean >look at the Toll road, that fills up and it's all tolls, unless the toll is >gonna be rediculously high it's not gonna do anything. _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 08:38:25 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:38:19 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: "W.S." Subject: Re: Smiles at DC Inspection Cc: DC-Cycles Interesting -- I wrote a 3-page letter about DC motorcycle inspections to the new DMV commissioner eight months or so ago about the one year m/c inspection issue. Never heard anything back, but maybe the letter helped lead to this? Who knows . . . anyway, glad it's two years now. (I was avoiding getting mine reinspected until my two year registration ran out in protest.) Aaron On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:00:18 -0400, W.S. wrote: > At my DC inspection this morning, nice news from one of the uniformed - > > . MC inspections are now good for TWO YEARS, starting a couple of months > ago: My new sticker is dated 2006. > > . The latest due date for the Northeast station reopening is Jan-Feb. > > And other notes: The whole process at Half Street took about 20m > (midmorning near the first of the month). The routine followed precedent - > lights, horn, rev it (smoke?/sound?), bounce the front end (shock?/brake?), > and with glances at the tires and notation of the mileage. No emissions > test. A final smile was brought on by the final pprwk that showed "Notice > of Passed Bus Inspection" and a detailed brake inspection printout (those > people are fast - I noticed no braking measurements being taken at all). > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > '99 VN750 > Finally. Two years. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 08:38:52 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:38:47 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: HOT lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MB >I agree. The solution isn't more roads with or without HOV >lanes. It isn't mass transit either...except for getting >from one place in a city to another place in the city. The >solution is to decentralize so that everyone isn't trying to >get to/from the same place twice a day, all at >once. Makes you less of an attractive target for hostile >parties too, whether nation-states or terrorist groups. [Dave] That's all well and good until they decide to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a problem of the first order of magnitude. You're correct, a decentralization would make for a 'harder' target, but it's not like there aren't satellite gov't. agency offices around the US... I think we get hung up on all this BS about traffic around here. DC is the seat of Government, and we all live around here knowing it. It's not like we're not free to move to another area with less traffic. HOV lanes are an environmentally unsound, taxpayer funded boondoggle. HOT lanes will be too. Next time there's 20 thousand of your closest friends with you on 66, and a few dozen cars whiz by you in those precious HOV lanes, just think how many pollutants are being dumped into the atmosphere as everyone sits there... > >If the government would just put their offices all around >the country, rather than bunching them all up in the >district, we'd save money (lower rents elsewhere), decrease >vulnerability, and let more congresscritters brag about >bringing home more pork by moving jobs into their >districts. We could still keep the District as the official >home of the President and Congress and the Supremes, but >move out everyone else. Most workers don't need access to >those places anyway, and much of what is needed can be done >with telemeetings from anywhere. It's not horse-and-buggy >time anymore...this is the 21st Century. > >In short, like Moe used to say: "Spread out!" [Dave] Why infect the rest of the US with this vermin? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 09:21:08 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:21:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Aaron Maurer , "W.S." Subject: Re: Smiles at DC Inspection Cc: DC-Cycles -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer Sent: Sep 3, 2004 8:38 AM To: "W.S." Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Smiles at DC Inspection Interesting -- I wrote a 3-page letter about DC motorcycle inspections to the new DMV commissioner eight months or so ago about the one year m/c inspection issue. Never heard anything back, but maybe the letter helped lead to this? ... Aaron On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:00:18 -0400, W.S. wrote: > At my DC inspection this morning, nice news from one of the uniformed - > > . MC inspections are now good for TWO YEARS, starting a couple of months > ago: My new sticker is dated 2006. > I sent DMV a whole litany of moto-centric complaints too. Hey, they wanted public comment; I complied. Never heard back, but maybe someone is listening. Maybe one of these days they'll figure out how to issue the little tag stickers for mail-in and web renewals. Right now the only way to get 'em is in person. To Bill S. - are you sure the two-year sticker is an official policy and not a mistake? :) They ought to do away completely with those useless inspections, but two years is a start, and it brings parity with cages. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 09:38:49 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:38:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [Dave] That's all well and good until they decide to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a problem of the first order of magnitude. You're correct, a decentralization would make for a 'harder' target, but it's not like there aren't satellite gov't. agency offices around the US... I think we get hung up on all this BS about traffic around here. DC is the seat of Government, and we all live around here knowing it. It's not like we're not free to move to another area with less traffic. ..... Uh, they are already "spread out." Off the top of my head, the biggies with thousands of employees outside the District: PTO in Alex, NIH, the Pentagon, FDA, CIA, FHWA, Census Bureau, etc., etc. Add that to all the Beltway Bandit contractors and that's why there's so much traffic congestion in 'burb-to-'burb commutes. And the octogenarian Sen. Bring-Home-the-Bacon Byrd has been merrily moving agency after agency to West Va.. and it's not even made a dent. I was in Parkersburg this summer and GSA is putting up a brand new building to house Bureau of the Public Debt. The FBI's fingerprint collection is in Clarksburg. At least when an agency is in DC proper there's a prayer that some of the workers will ride public transportation. Slim chance in a lot of these far-flung locales. A lot of offices are sprinkled around the country. All our IRS paperwork (or e-filings) go to Philadelphia. We're dealing with an immigration matter and the paperwork for that goes to St. Albans, Vermont. FCC has a big office in Pa. somewhere. Paul Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:07:21 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:06:56 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? Paul Wilson wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates > > SJ baits us with: > > >Stupid cager, perhaps? > > > >http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp? > insert=10419 > > [Dave] I would be SHOCKED if these allegations were true. > SHOCKED I tell you. > > A poorly skilled SUV pilot. Nary a chance of that happening. > Dave Yates > > ------ > > Hmmm, just like we teach in the MSF: most crashes are caused by a combo of factors. The Exploder pilot was 16 years old too. We need graduated licensing for cagers. Everyone should learn to drive on a 1973 Pinto, like I did. No need to augment that youthful feeling of invincibility. The Pinto certainly fit the bill on that score. Instead of having everyone driving around in Pinto-bombs, all cars should have a 12" steel spike in the center of the steering wheel, as opposed to an airbag. Not only would it encourage seatbelt use in the strongest possible way, it would engender a feeling of compliance with "defensive driving" strategies. --skip, breaking out the welder, in case they need help installing the spikes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:18:50 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:18:45 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Instead of having everyone driving around in Pinto-bombs, >all cars should have a 12" steel spike in the center of the >steering wheel, as opposed to an airbag. ... >--skip, breaking out the welder, in case they need help >installing the spikes. [Dave] Scratch that. Require that all vehicles be equipped with rear mounte Pikes... Think porcupine. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:23:14 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:22:54 -0400 Subject: Dremel tips & tricks? I need to sync my carbs, badly, but I have 4 vacuum bolts that have fused to my bike's carb assembly (aluminum to steel, methinks). I have stripped the boltheads trying to get them off. I plan to "dremel" a slot into the boltheads & try to get a flat head screwdriver in there to turn them out (with liquid wrench and some tapping and maybe some heat). Any advice for *how* to cut the right slots in these boltheads (size, dremel tool head, technique, depth of cut, etc.)? Thanks all. -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "Stuck like a tongue to a frozen flagpole" Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:40:24 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conlin Subject: '01 SV650S gotta go - needs some love To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm picking up my V-Strom on Monday, and am in the middle of moving. Sadly, the SV's just gotta go. Red '01 S, 38k Had a minor lowside a few months ago, then more recently a local thug tried a MacGyver-style hotwire job, but I wound up finding the bike about 1/2 mile away without much damage. Plenty of sport-touring miles on her, impeccably cared for to 30k... a little less so recently. Givi shield, Racetech springs, emulators, Sargent seat, Scorpion CF slipon, Givi topcase rack, new MEZ6 rear. Asking $2700 for everything... though I don't mind stripping off any aftermarket stuff not wanted (no requests for parts, please) Would make a great city bike or a good candidate for a track bike. Needs ignition wires repaired/replaced, some fasteners, brake pedal. Otherwise its just minor surface scuffs. Could use a new chain, about due for valve inspection. Can take pix this weekend, and would be happy to show. Because I don't have the time to fix, I can not deliver. In Greenbelt, would like to have it sold within 2 weeks. 410-419-4476 or email me here. Thanks- -- Jeff Conlin Greenbelt, MD __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:48:32 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:47:03 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: HOT lanes At 08:38 AM 9/3/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >MB >[Dave] That's all well and good until they decide >to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. >Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a >problem of the first order of magnitude. Why is that? I'm not talking exclusively about the government BTW. What I said about not clumping together goes for businesses too. Any time you put too many of them in a small area you get traffic problems. And parking problems. Our zoning laws tend to cause traffic by forcing businesses and the residences of those who work in them to be in very different locations. Look at the way it is in Europe, which was mostly designed when people got around on their feet. Cities have living and working areas in close proximity, and the areas outside the cities are built up of many small towns that are organized the same way. You only find that in New England in the USA...the farthest south I've seen that arrangement is in western New Jersey. >It's not like we're not free to move to >another area with less traffic. If I wanted to change careers, sure. Software jobs aren't available just anywhere. >>In short, like Moe used to say: "Spread out!" > >[Dave] Why infect the rest of the US with this vermin? So that the vermin gets a better idea of what the country actually thinks? To dilute the feedback effect that lets them get such a distorted worldview? So that everyone has to suffer equally? Since the moto content of this thread seems to have dropped to zero, I'm leaving it here... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:59:58 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:59:48 -0400 To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Dremel tips & tricks? At 10:22 AM 9/3/04 -0400, Sean Steele wrote: >I need to sync my carbs, badly, but I have 4 vacuum bolts that have >fused to my bike's carb assembly (aluminum to steel, methinks). I have >stripped the boltheads trying to get them off. I plan to "dremel" a slot >into the boltheads & try to get a flat head screwdriver in there to turn >them out (with liquid wrench and some tapping and maybe some heat). > >Any advice for *how* to cut the right slots in these boltheads (size, >dremel tool head, technique, depth of cut, etc.)? If you rounded the heads trying to get them loose, what makes you think that a regular screwdriver will have better luck? It's more likely that the heads will break...if the screwdriver doesn't "cam out" of the slot first. I'd use one of those "grabit" things Sears sells, or an "easy out" maybe, before I'd count on the cut-a-slot idea. Sounds like you are dealing with corrosion locking the two together, and drilling it out and retapping may be the solution...if that's possible in that location. Next time make sure there's anti-seize in there. That said, the best bit for slot cutting with a Dremmel is a fibreglass-reinforced abrasive cutoff disk. The abrasive disks sold in little bottles of 25 might work eventually, but you'll go through a whole case of them first...the slightest twisting motion in the cut and they will shatter instantly...even if they stay together, they wear down very fast, and they don't cut a very wide slot anyway. Wear safety glasses...preferably under a full face shield. Hold the Dremmel in both hands, brace your arms best you can, and cut slowly. An aggressive cut that isn't supported well will jump around a fair bit and not result in a clean slot. Good luck! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:00:02 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:50:53 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? At 10:18 AM 9/3/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >>all cars should have a 12" steel spike in the center of the >>steering wheel, as opposed to an airbag. >... >>--skip, breaking out the welder, in case they need help >>installing the spikes. > >[Dave] Scratch that. Require that all vehicles be equipped >with rear mounte Pikes... Think porcupine. Gallagher had a picture of a semi designed to limit tailgating by big trucks in his act once. The driver was mounted on the front bumper... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:00:59 2004 From: To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Dremel tips & tricks? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:00:49 -0400 > Any advice for *how* to cut the right slots in these boltheads (size, > dremel tool head, technique, depth of cut, etc.)? Use the thin cut-off wheels (reddish brown in color). They're brittle, so be sure to use good wrap-around eye protection. Cut slot to fit the screwdriver that you're going to use. Light pressure - let the tool's speed do the job. Enjoy the sparks. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:05:53 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:05:48 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: HOT lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a >>problem of the first order of magnitude. > >Why is that? I'm not talking exclusively about the >government BTW. What I said about not clumping together >goes for businesses too. Any time you put too many of them >in a small area you get traffic problems. And parking >problems. [Dave] Because when the problem is transferred into "your back yard", your 'refuge' from the problem is gone. Traffic in this area is so bad already, when you talk about relocating some of the "in town" business to the 'burbs moreso than it already is, you're actually talking about making it worse. Think of areas like Springfield, Rockvile, Waldorf (301 corridor), Rt1 from Alexandria to Woodbridge. These areas are already "built up" and there is, for practical purposes no place to put new businesses except on TOP of existing ones. They're stuffed with cages... My clutch hand is aching just _thinking_ about riding through these areas. Our zoning laws tend to cause traffic [Dave] In Virginia counties except Fairfax, you can find bumper stickers that say "Don't Fairfax " > Look at the way it is in Europe, which was mostly designed >when people got around on their feet. Cities have living >and working areas in close proximity, and the areas outside >the cities are built up of many small towns that are >organized the same way. You only find that in New England >in the USA...the farthest south I've seen that arrangement >is in western New Jersey. [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those cities is exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding budget. Not to mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and my motorcycle is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some pissant piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to redistribute my wealth... > >>It's not like we're not free to move to >>another area with less traffic. > >If I wanted to change careers, sure. Software jobs aren't >available just anywhere. [Dave] Hotjobs.com. Sometimes, a good ride to a job makes it worthwhile in and of itself... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:11:37 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:16:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Dremel tips & tricks? To: "Sean Steele" Cc: "DC Cycles" From: "garcia oliver" "Sean Steele" writes: >I need to sync my carbs, badly, but I have 4 vacuum bolts that have >fused to my bike's carb assembly (aluminum to steel, methinks). I have >stripped the boltheads trying to get them off. I plan to "dremel" a slot >into the boltheads & try to get a flat head screwdriver in there to turn >them out If there's room to use them, you might try 5" vice grips or impact driver first. > (with liquid wrench and some tapping and maybe some heat). Careful with the heat near gasoline. --garcia "Four More Years?" [ http://www.mystudios.com/treasure/munch/munch-scream.jpg ]http://www.mystudios.com/treasure/munch/munch-scream.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:43:58 2004 Subject: RE: Dremel tips & tricks? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:43:51 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Mike Bartman" , "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" > That said, the best bit for slot cutting with a Dremmel is a > fibreglass-reinforced abrasive cutoff disk. The abrasive > disks sold in little bottles of 25 might work eventually, but > you'll go through a whole case of them first... I'd recommend the 426 wheel. It's the smaller of the two fiberglass wheels. Seems to be a bit stronger and courser than the larger (456) one. They will shatter, but they're pretty cheap. I'd expect to get a really good slot without burning up more than three of them or so. http://www.dremel.com/productdisplay/display.asp?sku=426&color=cc0000 Also, try not to cut the slot too deep. It's easy to think that you need a nice deep slot so that you can get a flat head down in there really good, but if you end up cutting too deep, the head will simply break off as soon as you put any real pressure on it. Run the Dremel at it's highest speed, use goggles (even better, full shield - those wheels hurt when they shatter), don't run it for more than 30 seconds or so (gotta let the wheel cool every once-in-a-while) and keep the slot as clean as possible and only wide enough for the biggest flathead screwdriver you can use on a bold that size. Also remember that carbs have gas in them... Be careful of heat and sparks at all times! Personally, I'd try a really good pair of vice grips or something first. I hate cutting bolt heads, because if you hose that up, you're generally out of options and are then looking at drilling and tapping. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 16:32:53 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: scammers are after sellers too... (was: FS -SuperHawk VTR) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:32:33 -0400 I got this lousy email below after posting a for sale ad on CraigsList. I guess scammers are after sellers too not just funky ads. BTW, '98 SuperHawk for sale, $3700! http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/41320196.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- From: "smith rufus" Subject: 1998 Honda Super Hawk VTR1000F Red SuperHawk - $3700 i saw your advert on web and i am interested in buying your item i am ready to pay you $3900. i am based in western africa get back to me if my offer is ok by you. Like i said earlier i am based in the Western africa.there won't be any probs about the shipment, after payment, the pick up will be made at your place. i have made arrangements with the prepaid shipping company. As regards payment, this is what i am going to do; I have a client in the US who is owing me US8,500 i would instruct him to make out a certified check to you in that amount and as soon as it clears your bank. you can now deduct your money from it nd send me my balance, i will using use part of the money to pay for the shipping and other expenses. you will then send my balance by via western union money transfer. Although the value of the check is more than the asking price but i think i should be able to trust you with my balance. The reason why i am doing this is that it would take a check sent from over here in Nigeria 21days to clear over there, whereas a check sent from the! US would clear tops within 48hrs. So i would like you to deduct the western union charges from my balance. So if my terms are acceptable to you, i would like you to give me your full name, address and phone number so that i can instruct my client to make out the check to you. Pls get back to me as soon as you get this mail so that we can around things up in a timely fashion. will be trusting in this business transaction. get back to me. Thanks Rufus Smith. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) 91 CR80 (new toy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 16:59:57 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:59:50 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Shigeru Honda Subject: Re: scammers are after sellers too... (was: FS -SuperHawk VTR) Cc: dc-cycles Reminds of this scam on the scammer . . . great read: http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm Also, I believe that Mark strung someone along for a while too. Unfortunately, the scam must work often enough to make it worthwhile . . . On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:32:33 -0400, Shigeru Honda wrote: > I got this lousy email below after posting a for sale ad on CraigsList. I > guess scammers are after sellers too not just funky ads. > > BTW, '98 SuperHawk for sale, $3700! > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/41320196.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > From: "smith rufus" > Subject: 1998 Honda Super Hawk VTR1000F Red SuperHawk - $3700 > > i saw your advert on web and i am interested in buying your item i am ready > to pay you $3900. i am based in western africa get back to me if my offer is > ok by you. Like i said earlier i am based in the Western africa.there won't > be any probs about the shipment, after payment, the pick up will be made at > your place. i have made arrangements with the prepaid shipping company. > As regards payment, this is what i am going to do; I have a client in the US > who is owing me US8,500 i would instruct him to make out a certified check > to you in that amount and as soon as it clears your bank. you can now deduct > your money from it nd send me my balance, i will using use part of the money > to pay for the shipping and other expenses. you will then send my balance by > via western union money transfer. Although the value of the check is more > than the asking price but i think i should be able to trust you with my > balance. The reason why i am doing this is that it would take a check sent > from over here in Nigeria 21days to clear over there, whereas a check sent > from the! US would clear tops within 48hrs. So i would like you to deduct > the western union charges from my balance. So if my terms are acceptable to > you, i would like you to give me your full name, address and phone number so > that i can instruct my client to make out the check to you. > Pls get back to me as soon as you get this mail so that we can around things > up in a timely fashion. will be trusting in this business transaction. get > back to me. > > Thanks > Rufus Smith. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) > 91 CR80 (new toy) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 20:18:59 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 20:16:21 -0400 To: "DC Bike List" From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: scammers are after sellers too... X-Spam-Level: >From: "Shigeru Honda" > >I got this lousy email below after posting a for sale ad on CraigsList. I >guess scammers are after sellers too not just funky ads. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: "smith rufus" > >i saw your advert on web and i am interested in buying your item i am ready >to pay you $3900. i am based in western africa get back to me if my offer is >ok by you. Like i said earlier i am based in the Western africa.there won't >be any probs about the shipment, after payment, the pick up will be made at >your place. i have made arrangements with the prepaid shipping company. >As regards payment, this is what i am going to do; I have a client in the US >who is owing me US8,500 i would instruct him to make out a certified check >to you in that amount and as soon as it clears your bank. Tell him he can improve his English here: http://www.universityofnigeria.com/ Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 4 10:42:26 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:42:16 -0400 I'm guessing it's Gov employees I see driving solo on 66 in their big gas guzzling American cars, that probably get free parking. No need for them to take public transit. >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:38:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Yates > >[Dave] That's all well and good until they decide >to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. >Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a >problem of the first order of magnitude. You're correct, a >decentralization would make for a 'harder' target, but it's >not like there aren't satellite gov't. agency offices around >the US... > >I think we get hung up on all this BS about traffic around >here. DC is the seat of Government, and we all live around >here knowing it. It's not like we're not free to move to >another area with less traffic. > >..... > >Uh, they are already "spread out." Off the top of my head, the biggies >with thousands of employees outside the District: PTO in Alex, NIH, the >Pentagon, FDA, CIA, FHWA, Census Bureau, etc., etc. Add that to all the >Beltway Bandit contractors and that's why there's so much traffic >congestion in 'burb-to-'burb commutes. And the octogenarian Sen. >Bring-Home-the-Bacon Byrd has been merrily moving agency after agency to >West Va.. and it's not even made a dent. I was in Parkersburg this summer >and GSA is putting up a brand new building to house Bureau of the Public >Debt. The FBI's fingerprint collection is in Clarksburg. At least when an >agency is in DC proper there's a prayer that some of the workers will ride >public transportation. Slim chance in a lot of these far-flung locales. > >A lot of offices are sprinkled around the country. All our IRS paperwork >(or e-filings) go to Philadelphia. We're dealing with an immigration >matter and the paperwork for that goes to St. Albans, Vermont. FCC has a >big office in Pa. somewhere. > >Paul > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 5 16:32:31 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: The Exchange Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:32:22 -0400 Neat place to be on a Sunday morning. From 08:00 to 10ish. The Exchange at the corner of Zulla Road and Rt 55 in Fauquier County (between The Plains and Marshall) The focus is Euro bikes, but not limited to them. Tire kicking, BSing and breakfast in the restaurant (all 22 seats). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 6 18:53:57 2004 From: "W.S." To: "'Paul Wilson'" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Smiles at DC Inspection Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:53:30 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] W.S. wrote: . . .snip > . MC inspections are now good for TWO YEARS, starting a couple of months > ago: My new sticker is dated 2006. . . .snip To Bill S. - are you sure the two-year sticker is an official policy and not a mistake? :) They ought to do away completely with those useless inspections, but two years is a start, and it brings parity with cages. ************* Well, if my 2006 sticker is not enough proof, have at some phone calls to the DMV. Let us know. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Private bike. Don't like being inspected. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 08:41:16 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:41:02 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/03/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/3/2004 7:00:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX writes: > all cars > should have a 12" steel spike in the center of the steering wheel, as > opposed to an airbag. How about putting it _on_ the airbag? Drive the sucker home with an explosive charge! Or just remove the fabric of the bag itself so there is just a bomb on the steering column. Lots of ideas for thinning the herd. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 09:51:34 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:52:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: RE: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Cynical, but maybe true for DC - I don't know how they work. :) Federal workers, at least, can get a public transport stipend for metro bus, subway, and (MARC train I think) The Transhare gives quite a monthly chunk of free (to the worker) money - (though it doesn't make sense in my situation). At NIH there is a parking ratio of .45 space/employee and the situation gets 'worse' the farther into the city you go for federal facilities- so there's a fair incentive for getting federal employees off the road. Erick - "not speaking for my employer" 74' CB-750 "rich hall" commented: >I'm guessing it's Gov employees I see driving solo on 66 in their >big gas guzzling American cars, that probably get free parking. No >need for them to take public transit. > >>From: Paul Wilson >>Reply-To: Paul Wilson >>To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes >>Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:38:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dave Yates >> >>[Dave] That's all well and good until they decide >>to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. >>Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a >>problem of the first order of magnitude. You're correct, a >>decentralization would make for a 'harder' target, but it's >>not like there aren't satellite gov't. agency offices around >>the US... >> >>I think we get hung up on all this BS about traffic around >>here. DC is the seat of Government, and we all live around >>here knowing it. It's not like we're not free to move to >>another area with less traffic. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 10:15:07 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:14:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "W.S." Subject: RE: Smiles at DC Inspection Cc: DC-Cycles -----Original Message----- From: "W.S." To Bill S. - are you sure the two-year sticker is an official policy and not a mistake? :) They ought to do away completely with those useless inspections, but two years is a start, and it brings parity with cages. ************* Well, if my 2006 sticker is not enough proof, have at some phone calls to the DMV. Let us know. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Private bike. Don't like being inspected. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ----- That bit about phone calls was a joke, right? ;-) The Mighty Viffer's inspection is due on 9/27/04, so I'll get to see first hand. Must remember to remove my naughty driving lights. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 11:11:32 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:11:12 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Dave Yates Subject: OT: Moto redistribution? (Was: Re: HOT lanes) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just out of idle curiousity, exactly which European countries have ever redistributed the ownnership of motorcycles? Present day examples would be preferred, as war tends to circumvent both law and the will of the people. Robert > [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those cities is > exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding budget. Not to > mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and my motorcycle > is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some pissant > piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to redistribute my > wealth... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 11:31:48 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:31:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT: Moto redistribution? (Was: Re: HOT lanes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Just out of idle curiousity, exactly which European >countries have ever redistributed the ownnership of >motorcycles? > >Present day examples would be preferred, as war tends to >circumvent both law and the will of the people. > >Robert [Dave] I thought about clarifying this when I sent it. I meant the comment to indicate that I stand a higher chance of retaining my bike from bike thieves, who arbitrarily "redistribute" my wealth to them. No, I wasn't trying to get Kitchell started ;-) Dave >> [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those cities is >> exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding budget. Not to >> mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and my motorcycle >> is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some pissant >> piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to redistribute my >> wealth... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 11:42:52 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT: Moto redistribution? (Was: Re: HOT lanes) To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Leave me out of this. I am too bust applying for citizenship elsewhere in anticipation of Nov. 2nd (-: --- Dave Yates wrote: > >Just out of idle curiousity, exactly which European > > >countries have ever redistributed the ownnership of > > >motorcycles? > > > >Present day examples would be preferred, as war > tends to > >circumvent both law and the will of the people. > > > >Robert > > [Dave] I thought about clarifying this when I sent > it. I > meant the comment to indicate that I stand a higher > chance of > retaining my bike from bike thieves, who > arbitrarily "redistribute" my wealth to them. > > No, I wasn't trying to get Kitchell started ;-) > > Dave > > >> [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those > cities is > >> exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding > budget. Not > to > >> mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and > my > motorcycle > >> is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some > pissant > >> piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to > redistribute > my > >> wealth... > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 11:50:32 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:49:28 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT: Moto redistribution? (Was: Re: HOT lanes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Leave me out of this. I am too bust applying for >citizenship elsewhere in anticipation of Nov. 2nd (-: [Dave] Had enough of moto redistribution in DC have you? ;-) I think you can get a non res. visa for the rest of the US pretty easy in DC... Ok... And where are you applying... I'm looking at a couple of So. American dictatorships myself, just in case :-) > > >--- Dave Yates wrote: > >> >Just out of idle curiousity, exactly which European >> >> >countries have ever redistributed the ownnership of >> >> >motorcycles? >> > >> >Present day examples would be preferred, as war >> tends to >> >circumvent both law and the will of the people. >> > >> >Robert >> >> [Dave] I thought about clarifying this when I sent >> it. I >> meant the comment to indicate that I stand a higher >> chance of >> retaining my bike from bike thieves, who >> arbitrarily "redistribute" my wealth to them. >> >> No, I wasn't trying to get Kitchell started ;-) >> >> Dave >> >> >> [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those >> cities is >> >> exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding >> budget. Not >> to >> >> mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and >> my >> motorcycle >> >> is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some >> pissant >> >> piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to >> redistribute >> my >> >> wealth... >> > >> >> > > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 12:07:32 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:07:12 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes HOT lanes are about revenue. Will you pay $2, $4, $6 whatever (per trip) to get access to the HOV lanes all by yourself? That's all. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 12:21:22 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:21:16 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today I just ran out for a bike inspection in Reston. On my way there a kid in a 5.0 Mustang thinks I want to race him, so he starts driving like a complete jackass. I just hung back and watched him be stupid. On my way back I signal into the turn lane for Taco Bell and a mini van swerves into the turn lane in front of me and jams on his brakes. I was boxed in so I did a brake test and slid within inches of the bad driver. If it had been dry, I might have pulled a cool endo, but the layer of turn lane oil drippings might still have kept me horizontal. Horn, cursing, waving my arms, either he was too embarrassed to make eye contact or never saw/heard me. I blame it on the first day of school in Fairfax. I have to blame it on something. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 12:38:26 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:38:03 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Exactly. And IMHO, it's really annoying. They build new lanes using everyone's tax money, yet why can't everyone use them? If you honestly believe in the HOV thing and that it results in less cars being on the road and that's a good thing ... ok, I can respect that. I don't agree with it (see above), but I can respect it. But now, after having gone from HOV-4 to HOV-3 to HOV-2 in an attempt to get people to use the lanes/rt66, we're now going to let only people with enough disposable income use the lanes we already paid for?? And it's not about the environment ... it's about a cash cow. They know people will pay, and they'll happily take the money. Makes you want to strangle the nearest politician (more so than usual). - Roach Michael Jordan wrote: > HOT lanes are about revenue. > > Will you pay $2, $4, $6 whatever (per trip) to get access to the HOV > lanes all by yourself? > > That's all. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 12:46:31 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes To: Brian Roach , Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes being paid for 100% by private financing? And the private builders use the toll to recoup their investment? --- Brian Roach wrote: > Exactly. And IMHO, it's really annoying. > > They build new lanes using everyone's tax money, yet > why can't everyone > use them? > > If you honestly believe in the HOV thing and that it > results in less > cars being on the road and that's a good thing ... > ok, I can respect > that. I don't agree with it (see above), but I can > respect it. > > But now, after having gone from HOV-4 to HOV-3 to > HOV-2 in an attempt to > get people to use the lanes/rt66, we're now going to > let only people > with enough disposable income use the lanes we > already paid for?? And > it's not about the environment ... it's about a cash > cow. They know > people will pay, and they'll happily take the money. > > Makes you want to strangle the nearest politician > (more so than usual). > > - Roach > > Michael Jordan wrote: > > HOT lanes are about revenue. > > > > Will you pay $2, $4, $6 whatever (per trip) to get > access to the HOV > > lanes all by yourself? > > > > That's all. > > -- > http://www.speedwerks.com > The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! > (302) 672 - 7223 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:07:26 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:07:01 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MK: >Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes being >paid for 100% by private financing? And the private >builders use the toll to recoup their investment? [Dave] On principle, I'm prohibited from actually _agreeing_ with Mark ;-) but I understood the HOT concept did include at least partial private funding of the roadways - I'm uncertain about the percentage. The problem with this that I see is that it's a solution to a problem via static analysis. It may actually be effective _right_now... If it could be implemented in say, 8 months or less ... maybe a year tops. However, once they're constructed, and able to be used, there will be a significant enough increase in traffic that they won't be of any significant help. EVEN if they were opened up to all traffic. HOV is an abject failure here. The next time you're waiting in line for your cage's emission's test, think about those open HOV lanes on 66, 395, 95, 270... Think about the sparse rush hour traffic... mere feet away from bumper to bumper cages dumping megatons of CO into the atmosphere. At least HOT lanes give you the choice of paying. It's a Good 1st step towards eliminating the assinine HOV concept in it's entirety. >--- Brian Roach wrote: > >> Exactly. And IMHO, it's really annoying. >> >> They build new lanes using everyone's tax money, yet >> why can't everyone >> use them? >> >> If you honestly believe in the HOV thing and that it >> results in less >> cars being on the road and that's a good thing ... >> ok, I can respect >> that. I don't agree with it (see above), but I can >> respect it. >> >> But now, after having gone from HOV-4 to HOV-3 to >> HOV-2 in an attempt to >> get people to use the lanes/rt66, we're now going to >> let only people >> with enough disposable income use the lanes we >> already paid for?? And >> it's not about the environment ... it's about a cash >> cow. They know >> people will pay, and they'll happily take the money. >> >> Makes you want to strangle the nearest politician >> (more so than usual). >> >> - Roach >> >> Michael Jordan wrote: >> > HOT lanes are about revenue. >> > >> > Will you pay $2, $4, $6 whatever (per trip) to get >> access to the HOV >> > lanes all by yourself? >> > >> > That's all. >> >> -- >> http://www.speedwerks.com >> The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! >> (302) 672 - 7223 >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:19:09 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Troutman'" , dc Cycles Subject: RE: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:19:00 -0400 You didn't get the memo it's national Idiot driver day. I almost got ran over in my parking garage just a few minutes ago we have a electricians working on the garage lights so only the emergency lights are on so it's rather dark and some Dumass decides to speed around the corner with no lights in a near dark garage as I am walking across. They slam on there brakes and look at me as if I'm wrong. So I wave and oops forgot to put up four of my five fingers (LOL) I guess they just forgot there lights. Geese glade I didn't ride today. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:21 PM To: dc Cycles Subject: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today I just ran out for a bike inspection in Reston. On my way there a kid in a 5.0 Mustang thinks I want to race him, so he starts driving like a complete jackass. I just hung back and watched him be stupid. On my way back I signal into the turn lane for Taco Bell and a mini van swerves into the turn lane in front of me and jams on his brakes. I was boxed in so I did a brake test and slid within inches of the bad driver. If it had been dry, I might have pulled a cool endo, but the layer of turn lane oil drippings might still have kept me horizontal. Horn, cursing, waving my arms, either he was too embarrassed to make eye contact or never saw/heard me. I blame it on the first day of school in Fairfax. I have to blame it on something. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:19:46 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:19:36 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Mark Kitchell wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes being > paid for 100% by private financing? And the private > builders use the toll to recoup their investment? From the articles I've read, they say that the new HOT lanes are built by private companies which provide "most" of the funds. The reason being, of course, is that VA can't possibly afford to build these roads on their own. So, instead of using tax dollars for things people actually need ... like roads, we have the government subsidizing companies to build private "public" roads that they then charge a toll for (and of course kick back a portion of that to the govt). I'm not exactly sure where all our tax dollars go, but why isn't it to roads, police, education, the DMV (remember ... couldn't afford to keep that open all the time either) etc? It seems that services that actually benefit the tax-paying public as a whole are always last in line and first to be cut. Seriously ... if the state can't afford to build and maintain **roads** we have a real problem with the way taxes are being spent. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:23:51 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:23:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates HOV is an abject failure here. The next time you're waiting in line for your cage's emission's test, think about those open HOV lanes on 66, 395, 95, 270... Think about the sparse rush hour traffic... mere feet away from bumper to bumper cages dumping megatons of CO into the atmosphere. At least HOT lanes give you the choice of paying. It's a Good 1st step towards eliminating the assinine HOV concept in it's entirety. .... Seems to me the whole HOV concept is sleight of hand. It's an attempt by transportation-crats to take what used to be called "widening a highway" and give it a green, quasi-transit spin. As DY points out, the law of unintended consequences raised its ugly head and the "green" aspects of HOV have been hobbled by continuing or worsening congestion in the "regular" lanes. Seems those pesky cagers find it still worth it to sit in traffic, instead of buddying up. I imagine convenience and simple "alone time" has a lot to do with it. If I'm the kind of person willing to be yoked to a carpool schedule and packed in with others, I'd prolly just take the bus or train, provided it's available. Still, you can kick my motorcycle out of the HOV lanes when you pry the throttle grip from my cold, dead fingers. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:24:02 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:21:34 -0400 To: Brian Roach , Michael Jordan From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:38 PM 9/7/04 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: >But now, after having gone from HOV-4 to HOV-3 to HOV-2 in an attempt to >get people to use the lanes/rt66, we're now going to let only people >with enough disposable income use the lanes we already paid for?? And >it's not about the environment ... it's about a cash cow. They know >people will pay, and they'll happily take the money. That's no different than it's always been..except now you know how much the "toll" will be in advance, rather than after you get a ticket. ;-) The HOV concept is flawed. It assumes that there are enough people who live close enough to each other, and who all want to go to the same place at the same time, and who all have vehicles that can hold everyone, to make a dent in the traffic on the remaining lanes. This appears not to be the case. It's never been true in my case anyway, or for anyone I've worked with in the last 30 years... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:26:52 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:26:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Silver,Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , "'Troutman'" , dc Cycles Subject: RE: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today -----Original Message----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" You didn't get the memo it's national Idiot driver day. .... First day back to school and work, coupled with RAIN made for an extra-special commute this morning. Maybe DC needs HOV/HOT lanes on the Southwest Fwy. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:30:44 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:30:30 EDT Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes being > >paid for 100% by private financing? And the private > >builders use the toll to recoup their investment? Oh lord, just what we need, privatizing of our highway system. If a private garage can legally exclude motorcycles from parking garages why not private roads? I think I will go puke now... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:45:16 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:44:43 -0400 Still, you can kick my motorcycle out of the HOV lanes when you pry the throttle grip from my cold, dead fingers. Paul As we say around the office: "Amen!" Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:45:46 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:45:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Brian Roach , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach Mark Kitchell wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes being > paid for 100% by private financing? And the private > builders use the toll to recoup their investment? From the articles I've read, they say that the new HOT lanes are built by private companies which provide "most" of the funds. The reason being, of course, is that VA can't possibly afford to build these roads on their own. So, instead of using tax dollars for things people actually need ... like roads, we have the government subsidizing companies to build private "public" roads that they then charge a toll for (and of course kick back a portion of that to the govt). ----- Unless VDOT employees have suddenly started working for free you can bet plenty of taxpayer $$ are going to this allegedly "private" scheme. One of the hallmarks of the conservative resurgence in the USA is the oftentimes cynical use of the term "private." People hear "private" and think "that's good" or "hey, that's outside-the-box thinking." We need to examine these schemes and make sure it's not a "tails I win, heads you lose" proposition for the taxpayer. For one thing, the private concern is receiving the public right-of-way gratis. Can you imagine what the I-495 r-o-w is worth on the open market? So plenty of taxpayer funds are flowing to this project. Don't believe the Al Gore-esque "reinventing government" spin. The Dulles Greenway is "private" as well, but the Commonwealth is still on the hook, should the private company defaults on its bonds. I'll bet the HOT lanes deal will be structured similarly. These privatization schemes also put the assets into private hands for tax reasons. Why? Governments don't pay taxes, so you "sell" the assets to private corporations that can write off the depreciation of the asset, while the government retains the exclusive right to leaseback the asset for X years. At the expiration of the lease, ownership reverts to the government and if the tax code and the IRS are still in a compliant mood, presumably you can do it all over again. A lot of transit systems, water systems, bridges and other public infrastructure has been sold and leased back under these schemes. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:53:06 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes To: DC Cycles This also brings up the whole: rich get richer, poor get poorer. Is it fair to create yet another aspect of our public life where certain economic strata get better service since they can pay for it. Roads are like a public utility, which is supposed to be available to all users. The workingman who may need these roads the most may not be able to pay. If we are going to use public policy/capitalism to encourage better traffic flows, spend the money on public transportation! --- Brian Roach wrote: > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes > being > > paid for 100% by private financing? And the > private > > builders use the toll to recoup their investment? > > From the articles I've read, they say that the new > HOT lanes are built > by private companies which provide "most" of the > funds. The reason > being, of course, is that VA can't possibly afford > to build these roads > on their own. > > So, instead of using tax dollars for things people > actually need ... > like roads, we have the government subsidizing > companies to build > private "public" roads that they then charge a toll > for (and of course > kick back a portion of that to the govt). > > I'm not exactly sure where all our tax dollars go, > but why isn't it to > roads, police, education, the DMV (remember ... > couldn't afford to keep > that open all the time either) etc? It seems that > services that actually > benefit the tax-paying public as a whole are always > last in line and > first to be cut. > > Seriously ... if the state can't afford to build and > maintain **roads** > we have a real problem with the way taxes are being > spent. > > - Roach > > > > -- > http://www.speedwerks.com > The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! > (302) 672 - 7223 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 14:13:02 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:12:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes To: DC Cycles MK whimsically asks: >This also brings up the whole: rich get richer, poor >get poorer. Is it fair to create yet another aspect >of our public life where certain economic strata get >better service since they can pay for it. [Dave] No, it's not. But, if it's not "fair" for HOT lanes, then, it's not "fair" for HOV lanes, and roads like the Greenway and Dulles toll road. > >If we are going to use public policy/capitalism to >encourage better traffic flows, spend the money on >public transportation! [Dave] Okay, this is more like it. Here, Kitchell and I disagree. It was starting to be like some sort of email "group hug fest" or something. ;-) I a good deal of this "invest in public transportation" money is just flushed down the government employee's toilet. You can't just throw $$$$ on top of $$$ to fix a problem that needs actual thought. Just look at the Baltimore Orioles ! Another issue being the added traffic hazards these public transportation bus drivers create. I realize they have a big, ponderous vehicle to pilot, but many of them can be observed daily cutting people off using their vehicle's superior mass and ballistic coefficient to "dare someone to challenge them". If they want to dump money into the public trough for transportation, I'd support a system in which buses were confined to the right lane, could not make left turns. EVER. In fact, lock the steering wheels so they can't go left. Establish Mug handles like they do in socialist New Joisey for the buses. That way we could at least know where to expect the buses and passengers to be, rather than the crap shoot we have now. Always entertaining to see the FFX ride on guy come to a complete stop in the middle of Rt 1. to make the left on Sherwood Hall... More pavement won't cure the traffic, it's a band aid. But right now, that's the wound leaking the most blood, so it needs the bigger band aid. We can worry about fattening up the Metro and WMATA high-mucketymuck wallets when we have more viable pavement to travel on... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 14:55:55 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:54:04 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes At 01:23 PM 9/7/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >congestion in the "regular" lanes. Seems those pesky cagers find it still worth >it to sit in traffic, instead of buddying up. I imagine convenience and simple >"alone time" has a lot to do with it. That may be true in some cases, but I'd suspect that it's the minority position. The major reason that HOV doesn't get used more is that we aren't a small factory town where everyone lives in the same neighborhoods and works exactly the same schedule. Fred and Barney could carpool, but office workers spread out in a circle usually can't. Back when I was commuting, the HOV lanes weren't an option because: 1) My nearest co-worker lived almost as far from me as my job was...most were much farther away (like Woodbridge, Chantilly, Sterling, etc., when I lived in Potomac and the job was at Tyson's). We had a map in the office with pushpins showing where folks lived, and it was spread out over most of the D.C. area...not all that densely. 2) My work schedule was unpredictable. If a problem came up at 4pm and took 4 hours to resolve, I got off at 8pm. If not, I'd be off at 5:30 or so. Actual departure times ranged between 5pm and 11pm on a regular basis, and I usually didn't know exactly when I'd be leaving until a couple of minutes before I left. Start time was usually 9-10am, though if there was a conference call or special meeting it could be as early as 8am. 3) Many of my co-workers drove compacts or other vehicles that I can't fit into safely...or at all (pretty much anything smaller than a full size car or truck). They'd have no problems riding with me, but the reverse wouldn't be true in most cases. At previous jobs the above was usually true, but there were other factors: 4) I did field support and might have to head out to a customer site at any time. Customer sites were located anywhere east of the Mississippi. If it was closer than 250 miles, I drove, otherwise I flew. 5) I would sometimes have to transport equipment with me. Manuals, tapes, computers, terminals, etc.. 6) Some of my co-workers were insufferable, and homicide is against the law and it's best to avoid the situations that might call for it. I think that items 1, 2 and 6 account for most of the non-HOV use we see. Since '99 I've just skipped the commute entirely. More people should be allowed to do this. It helps the employee, the employer, the state, the country and the environment. It isn't possible for all, but it's certainly possible for more than are doing it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 15:13:11 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:14:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: tow bike This seems to be an older article - but neat looking -> http://www.ama-cycle.org/features/2003/towbike.asp ... "A company in Sweden calling itself Coming Through has developed a motorcycle capable of towing disabled cars. This patented invention, sparked by a youngster's frustration in the back seat of his father's car, has become reality. The young Mattias Liljeberg watched as a motorcycle wended its way through traffic that blocked the tow truck. His father informed him that motorcycles didn't tow cars. Instead of accepting adult wisdom, he simply asked, "Why not?"" ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 15:52:07 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:51:25 -0400 To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: tow bike At 03:14 PM 9/7/04 -0400, Erick Singley wrote: > >This seems to be an older article - but neat looking -> >http://www.ama-cycle.org/features/2003/towbike.asp As if towing cars with a bike wasn't enough, did you catch that last pic where the bike is towing a car...that is still towing a camping trailer?? ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 16:02:37 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:02:22 EDT Subject: Re: tow bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/7/2004 3:13:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, es87m@XXXXXX writes: > ... > "A company in Sweden calling itself Coming Through has developed a > motorcycle capable of towing disabled cars. This patented invention, AW for crissakes another one of my inventions stolen. I once towed a truck several miles to the owners home so he could fix it (with a Honda 450.) Back when bikes were a lot less reliable we used to tow each other all the time. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 21:44:48 2004 X-Spam-Check-By: yes.devclue.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Free Stuff! X-Virus-Checked: Checked Well, the movers are coming tomorrow through Friday, but they won't take liquids, much less hazardous liquids. Sooo... I have some stuff to give away. All you have to do is pick it up. (I'd offer to bring it to you, but am currently stranded sans functioning transport.) WD-40 -- about two canisters. Boeshield T-9 -- one can. Carb spray -- one can. Bug spray Spray paint -- assorted Raid -- some Ammonia, asst'd caustic kitchen chemicals Etc. And while we're on the hazardous-materials note... anyone here have a use for Red Dot shotshell powder, or Winchester 209 primers? How about 8mm Mauser ammo (corrosive), or .22LR ammo? Can't take it with me... I also still have those two GS500s sitting in my garage. At this point I'll entertain offers for them -- if anyone's looking for a project bike, toss me an email with an offer, hopefully tonight or early tomorrow. Otherwise, they're going into storage for three years, and they're not going to be worth crap after that. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 22:32:26 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:32:38 -0400 You mean a mustang 4.6 :-) Or at the most a Mustang 4.9(if it's older). Lots of noise but not terribly fast in the scheme of things. I got to drive one this weekend (5 speed , GT 4.6 16v), super fun to drive though. Rob On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:21:16 -0400, Troutman wrote > I just ran out for a bike inspection in Reston. On my way there a > kid in a > 5.0 Mustang thinks I want to race him, so he starts driving like a > complete jackass. I just hung back and watched him be stupid. On > my way back I signal into the turn lane for Taco Bell and a mini van > swerves into the turn lane in front of me and jams on his brakes. I > was boxed in so I did a brake test and slid within inches of the bad > driver. If it had been dry, I might have pulled a cool endo, but > the layer of turn lane oil drippings might still have kept me > horizontal. Horn, cursing, waving my arms, either he was too > embarrassed to make eye contact or never saw/heard me. > > I blame it on the first day of school in Fairfax. I have to blame > it on something. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 11:02:52 2004 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:02:45 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tow bike Erick Singley wrote: > > This seems to be an older article - but neat looking -> > http://www.ama-cycle.org/features/2003/towbike.asp > ... > "A company in Sweden calling itself Coming Through has developed a > motorcycle capable of towing disabled cars. This patented invention, > sparked by a youngster's frustration in the back seat of his > father's car, has become reality. The young Mattias Liljeberg > watched as a motorcycle wended its way through traffic that blocked > the tow truck. His father informed him that motorcycles didn't tow > cars. Instead of accepting adult wisdom, he simply asked, "Why not?"" > ... ok. that is just cool. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 11:17:58 2004 From: "W.S." To: "'Paul Wilson'" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Smiles at DC Inspection Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:17:37 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] . . .snip The Mighty Viffer's inspection is due on 9/27/04, so I'll get to see first hand. Must remember to remove my naughty driving lights. ********* Have had headlight flashing and extra brake flash-leds for years with never a mention from DC inspection. Of course, its always YMMV. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Someday neon? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 11:23:51 2004 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:23:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "W.S." Subject: RE: Smiles at DC Inspection Cc: DC-Cycles -----Original Message----- From: "W.S." -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] . . .snip The Mighty Viffer's inspection is due on 9/27/04, so I'll get to see first hand. Must remember to remove my naughty driving lights. ********* Have had headlight flashing and extra brake flash-leds for years with never a mention from DC inspection. Of course, its always YMMV. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Someday neon? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------ It's prolly in the archives somewheres, but I got dinged last year for my PIAA driving lights, which, according to the US DOT and the manufacturer are *street legal* as long as they are wired to the high-beams, as mine are. No dice, take 'em off and re-inspect. Easier to take 'em off than engage in a fruitless argument with a civil servant, I figger. It will be nice to only have to run that gauntlet every other year. BTW, I did join the AMA; your riding fun and mine protected. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 11:30:35 2004 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Free Stuff! To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles I can take the ammo off your hands. Todd --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Well, the movers are coming tomorrow through Friday, > but they won't take > liquids, much less hazardous liquids. Sooo... I have > some stuff to give > away. All you have to do is pick it up. (I'd offer > to bring it to you, but > am currently stranded sans functioning transport.) > > WD-40 -- about two canisters. > Boeshield T-9 -- one can. > Carb spray -- one can. > Bug spray > Spray paint -- assorted > Raid -- some > Ammonia, asst'd caustic kitchen chemicals > Etc. > > And while we're on the hazardous-materials note... > anyone here have a use > for Red Dot shotshell powder, or Winchester 209 > primers? How about 8mm > Mauser ammo (corrosive), or .22LR ammo? Can't take > it with me... > > I also still have those two GS500s sitting in my > garage. At this point > I'll entertain offers for them -- if anyone's > looking for a project bike, > toss me an email with an offer, hopefully tonight or > early tomorrow. > Otherwise, they're going into storage for three > years, and they're not > going to be worth crap after that. > > Fish. > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 18:37:21 2004 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:36:51 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: DC-Cycles Subject: More annecdotal Joe Rocket Balistic info I know the Joe Rocket "Ballistic" mesh jacket thing is always a hot topic on here, so I wanted to relate one of our customer's experiences with one. He came in to the shop looking like the mummy. The armor didn't stay in its assigned position. Apparently, not only did he have road rash, the nylon mesh melted into the rash. Not quite bad enough to need skin grafts, but it was real close. Ouch. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 19:44:51 2004 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:44:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Subject: Dispatches from the NORTH To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The Equipment: 2002 YZF-R6 field sheer Mach 1 jacket field sheer Mach 1 pants Shoei RF-1000 helmet Nelson Rigg tank bag Cortech Saddle and Tailbags Departed Lewes beach at 12:45 PM Thanks to the lister that mentioned the Cape May ferry. apart from the chop and securing the bike it was a load of fun. An adventure..breaking away from the daily routine into the realm of new experience...something I find myself doing less and less of. I had a grin the whole way. Total trip time was 12.5 hours to downtown Montreal. Stopped to refuel five times. Adirondacks at night was effin cold even with second layer. It was a tough haul and Motrin saved the day. The route: Cape May ferry Garden State Parkway (slow stop and go labor day traffic) Route 17 to Mahwah Route 87 to Montreal Getting in was a breeze I was adrenalized during the whole trip, was not tired, stopped in Kingstown NY for some great chopped steak, coffee and cheesecake. Saw a total of about 10 bikes my entire trip- most in NY. Arrived 1:30 AM- my brother's fiancee hates me and is kicking me out as I write this. Have been riding with my brother...his course was excellent and included pillion rider. He is safe and aware just needs to expand his space cushion. Rode the 04 R6- very sweet but I like mine better. the tankbags did a job on my paint very unhappy about that. the wheel is holding. Great moto stores here you all would freak- Dainese gear, Frank Thomas- very pricy The women are incredible....details to follow Love the adventure!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 20:29:33 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:27:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: More annecdotal Joe Rocket Balistic info X-Spam-Level: >From: Brian Roach >I know the Joe Rocket "Ballistic" mesh jacket thing is always a hot >topic on here, so I wanted to relate one of our customer's experiences >with one. > >He came in to the shop looking like the mummy. The armor didn't stay in >its assigned position. Apparently, not only did he have road rash, the >nylon mesh melted into the rash. Not quite bad enough to need skin >grafts, but it was real close. Just curious, what part of him had the road rash? Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 20:44:05 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More annecdotal Joe Rocket Balistic info Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:43:34 -0400 Also curious if it was the right size? >From: Chris Chubb >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: More annecdotal Joe Rocket Balistic info >Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:27:04 -0400 > > >>From: Brian Roach >>I know the Joe Rocket "Ballistic" mesh jacket thing is always a hot >>topic on here, so I wanted to relate one of our customer's experiences >>with one. >> >>He came in to the shop looking like the mummy. The armor didn't stay in >>its assigned position. Apparently, not only did he have road rash, the >>nylon mesh melted into the rash. Not quite bad enough to need skin >>grafts, but it was real close. > >Just curious, what part of him had the road rash? > >Chris > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 21:08:16 2004 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/08/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brian Roach I know the Joe Rocket "Ballistic" mesh jacket thing is always a hot topic on here, so I wanted to relate one of our customer's experiences with one. He came in to the shop looking like the mummy. The armor didn't stay in its assigned position. Apparently, not only did he have road rash, the nylon mesh melted into the rash. Not quite bad enough to need skin grafts, but it was real close. Ouch. ============= I had a 75-80 mph get-off when encountering a deer on old 55 between Baker and Moorefield in May. The impact pushed my fairly snug-fitting leather jacket sleeve up to my elbow. My glove gauntlet was not fully and tightly secured though, one of those things it's easy to get lazy about. I also have a textile jacket and the armor, like you suggest Brian, seems to float around a bit. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 22:06:29 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Brian Roach , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: More annecdotal Joe Rocket Balistic info Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:06:37 -0400 Ouch, I had an incident with melted plastic and skin. I got some on me, I insticntivly pulled it off my hand and the skin went with it. Kinda neat how 3rd degree burns don't hurt , at first. Rob On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:36:51 -0400, Brian Roach wrote > I know the Joe Rocket "Ballistic" mesh jacket thing is always a hot > topic on here, so I wanted to relate one of our customer's > experiences with one. > > He came in to the shop looking like the mummy. The armor didn't stay > in its assigned position. Apparently, not only did he have road rash, > the nylon mesh melted into the rash. Not quite bad enough to need > skin grafts, but it was real close. > > Ouch. > > - Roach -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 8 22:09:59 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:10:12 -0400 Yeah like on a metro line out to dulles/toll road way so I can metro to work! It would also be nice if they didn't make you ride into DC to switch trains. Maybe line a line that follows the beltway instead of a "HOT" lane. Regards, Rob On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Mark Kitchell wrote > This also brings up the whole: rich get richer, poor > get poorer. Is it fair to create yet another aspect > of our public life where certain economic strata get > better service since they can pay for it. Roads are > like a public utility, which is supposed to be > available to all users. > > The workingman who may need these roads the most may > not be able to pay. > > If we are going to use public policy/capitalism to > encourage better traffic flows, spend the money on > public transportation! > > --- Brian Roach wrote: > > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes > > being > > > paid for 100% by private financing? And the > > private > > > builders use the toll to recoup their investment? > > > > From the articles I've read, they say that the new > > HOT lanes are built > > by private companies which provide "most" of the > > funds. The reason > > being, of course, is that VA can't possibly afford > > to build these roads > > on their own. > > > > So, instead of using tax dollars for things people > > actually need ... > > like roads, we have the government subsidizing > > companies to build > > private "public" roads that they then charge a toll > > for (and of course > > kick back a portion of that to the govt). > > > > I'm not exactly sure where all our tax dollars go, > > but why isn't it to > > roads, police, education, the DMV (remember ... > > couldn't afford to keep > > that open all the time either) etc? It seems that > > services that actually > > benefit the tax-paying public as a whole are always > > last in line and > > first to be cut. > > > > Seriously ... if the state can't afford to build and > > maintain **roads** > > we have a real problem with the way taxes are being > > spent. > > > > - Roach > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.speedwerks.com > > The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! > > (302) 672 - 7223 > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 10:03:29 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: More annecdotal Joe Rocket Balistic info To: DC Cycles Well, my Joe Rocket experience is a bit more than annecdotal. I was wearing a pheonix jacket when I went down on I-81 at 60 mph in July. Like Roach's customer, my elbow did *not* say in the pocket of the armor. I got a bit of roadrash when my elbow wore through the mesh. No plastic melting to the skin, but an area about 2" long that took 8 weeks to heal fully. The jacket also rode up my back, as I slid feet-forward, I think anyway. In any case, I had an area from my hip to my armpit on my right side that got a decent scraping, but healed fairly quickly. This would not have been a problem if it had been zipped to the pants, or if the jacket fabric were much stiffer. The flexible mesh of the jacket allowed it to be pushed up over my torso. Am I glad I was wearing the jacket compared to a t-shirt? Absolutely. Will I buy another pheonix? No. I want something with better armor pockets, that will keep the armor over the joint. Perhaps heavier material (leather) in strategic places as well. In any case, I'm mostly recovered from my accident, and have gotten the all-clear sign from both the trauma doc and orthopod. Still have a bit of physical therapy, but I should be good to go in a couple weeks when I get my bike back. Brian Ray --- Brian Roach wrote: > > I know the Joe Rocket "Ballistic" mesh jacket thing > is always a hot > topic on here, so I wanted to relate one of our > customer's experiences > with one. > > He came in to the shop looking like the mummy. The > armor didn't stay in > its assigned position. Apparently, not only did he > have road rash, the > nylon mesh melted into the rash. Not quite bad > enough to need skin > grafts, but it was real close. > > Ouch. > > - Roach > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 10:06:55 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/08/04 To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- John Kozyn wrote: > I had a 75-80 mph get-off when encountering a deer on old 55 between > Baker and Moorefield in May. The impact pushed my fairly snug-fitting > leather jacket sleeve up to my elbow. My glove gauntlet was not fully > and tightly secured though, one of those things it's easy to get lazy > about. I also have a textile jacket and the armor, like you suggest > Brian, seems to float around a bit. Just like your glove, I very seldom see a mesh or textile jacket that is fully zipped and has all its straps adjusted for a snug fit and optimum protection -- including mine. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 11:17:46 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:17:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mesh riding gear, was Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/08/04 -----Original Message----- From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" --- John Kozyn wrote: > I had a 75-80 mph get-off when encountering a deer on old 55 between > Baker and Moorefield in May. The impact pushed my fairly snug-fitting > leather jacket sleeve up to my elbow. My glove gauntlet was not fully > and tightly secured though, one of those things it's easy to get lazy > about. I also have a textile jacket and the armor, like you suggest > Brian, seems to float around a bit. Just like your glove, I very seldom see a mesh or textile jacket that is fully zipped and has all its straps adjusted for a snug fit and optimum protection -- including mine. -- Larry ------ Seems to me the primary drawback of the mesh (I have a Phoenix jacket/pants combo but have never crashed in 'em) is the nature of the material itself. A denser Cordura or leather will slide against pavement, while the mesh will snag, ripping the armor out of place. The mesh also seems much more stretchy than my cordura stuff, giving the armor more float factor. I second the recommendation to have all protective gear cinched up snugly. That includes helmet, gloves, jacket, pants and boots. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 11:22:56 2004 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:22:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Mesh riding gear, was Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/08/04 At 11:17 AM 9/9/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >I second the recommendation to have all protective gear cinched up >snugly. That includes helmet, gloves, jacket, pants and boots. I usually wear the Phoenix pants as over pants unless it is topping triple digits outside. I would think the added fabric under the liner would give a bit more slide and prevent Roach's victim situation - especially if you have a long sleeve ballistic shirt or Brosh/Draggin' jeans. I worry about the back of my FG Kenya riding up as it doesn't zip into the JR pants directly. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 11:35:57 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:35:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mesh riding gear, was Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/08/04 -----Original Message----- From: Troutman At 11:17 AM 9/9/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >I second the recommendation to have all protective gear cinched up >snugly. That includes helmet, gloves, jacket, pants and boots. I usually wear the Phoenix pants as over pants unless it is topping triple digits outside. I would think the added fabric under the liner would give a bit more slide and prevent Roach's victim situation - especially if you have a long sleeve ballistic shirt or Brosh/Draggin' jeans. I worry about the back of my FG Kenya riding up as it doesn't zip into the JR pants directly. ------ Yeah, should have mentioned that. I *always* wear the Phoenix gear over something else that's full coverage, usually work clothes. I feel much more comfortable wearing shorts and a T-shirt under my Motoport gear. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 13:46:59 2004 From: "Joe Rail" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: carb problems Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:46:50 -0400 I just bought an old dual-carbed '67 Honda Superhawk. Hasn't been run in 4 years so I cleaned the fuel tank and then the carbs, floats, jets, etc. with gum cutter. Put everything together, filled up with fresh gas and the bike seemed to run OK. After sitting for awhile, gasoline started pissing out of the overflow nipple on the back of one of the carbs. What's going on here? Bad needle and seat maybe? Or a "sticking" float? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 14:02:13 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:02:00 EDT Subject: Re: carb problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/9/2004 1:47:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, celicajoe@XXXXXX writes: > What's going on here? > Bad needle and seat maybe? Or a "sticking" float? Yes. Neat bike, one of my favorites. John. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 14:15:43 2004 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:15:26 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: More annecdotal Joe Rocket Balistic info Re: where was the guy rashed? Pretty much all over. Right arm from wrist to elbow, about 50% of his right side above the waist, and quite a bit on his back (also right side). And not just little scuffs ... this was the "Wow that looks like a 3rd degree burn" (probably is) where he has to change dressings and that sort of stuff. Ick. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 14:18:52 2004 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:18:42 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Joe Rail CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: carb problems Joe Rail wrote: > What's going on here? Bad needle and seat maybe? Or a "sticking" float? I agree with John. It's one of these things. The needle isn't stopping the gas from entering the carb. Either the float is sticking, or the seat/needle needs attention. - Roach -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 14:38:42 2004 Subject: Re: carb problems From: lister lynch To: Brian Roach Cc: Joe Rail , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:38:24 -0400 The rubber tip on the needle is probably hard as a rock. Mike On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 14:18, Brian Roach wrote: > Joe Rail wrote: > > > What's going on here? Bad needle and seat maybe? Or a "sticking" float? > > I agree with John. It's one of these things. The needle isn't stopping > the gas from entering the carb. Either the float is sticking, or the > seat/needle needs attention. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 17:23:33 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:42:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum To: DC Cycles Can I get an idea if people are interested in a Bike Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan (http://www.asylumdc.com/). This is DC's only real Biker bar. It caters to motorcycles, bike messengers and punks. Its on a great location on 18th St in ADams Morgan with its own parking (somewhat limited) out front, complete with cameras watching the bike. This would be an informal affair with only DC Cycles. Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) but we would not have the entire place to ourselves. Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. Thanks Mark _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 17:30:11 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum To: DC Cycles sounds good. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Can I get an idea if people are interested in a Bike > Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan > (http://www.asylumdc.com/). This is DC's only real > Biker bar. It caters to motorcycles, bike > messengers > and punks. Its on a great location on 18th St in > ADams Morgan with its own parking (somewhat limited) > out front, complete with cameras watching the bike. > > This would be an informal affair with only DC > Cycles. > Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) > but > we would not have the entire place to ourselves. > > Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 19:43:17 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Good bags for a sport bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sorry to drop in late here. Just got back from 2.5 weeks on the road. I bought the saddlebags and used them on the 'busa for a 5 day trip and had no marks even with a stone stuck in the pads(!) Rita had them on her Aprilia for this trip and she has some nice scratches on both sides. I should have gotten the clear contact acetate to protect her paint first as previously noted. The difference may be with the shape of two vehicles plus the method of mounting. Mine was sitting on the edge mainly rather than sitting flat on the paint. Rita's was sitting flat on the paint. Plus mine was pretty static, being mounted to the passenger pegs and rear turn signals. Rita's was cable tied to her passenger hand-holds and bungies were used for the front and rear mounts. This gave it the ability to move front to rear that wasn't as possible on mine. So, contact paper and good stable mounts are key to these bags. On the use of rain covers, I don't like them much. It's a pain and since there are multiple mounts, they don't go over them well. I was always afraid they were going to blow off. Now I use plastic bag liners in the bags, same with the full sized ones I got for the Harley before the trip. I do like them though. I'm considering getting the third item for the sport set. Hope this helps. Carl --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > Tourmaster Cortech Sport saddlebags and seatbag... About $160 for the > set at New England Moto Emporium - > http://www.motoemporium.com/luggage/motorcycleluggage.html > > I have the set on my FZ1 and it's by far the best made set of "Sport" > luggage I've seen. No scratches, rain covers included, LOTS of really > nice features. Comes installs and uninstalls in about 30 seconds. Can > send pictures if you want to see the full set on the bike. > > --smthng > > ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 19:56:28 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:56:21 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: markkitchell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum Cc: DC Cycles Sounds great. Of course, Tuesday is half-price burger night . . . On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT), joey harding wrote: > sounds good. > > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Can I get an idea if people are interested in a Bike > > Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan > > (http://www.asylumdc.com/). This is DC's only real > > Biker bar. It caters to motorcycles, bike > > messengers > > and punks. Its on a great location on 18th St in > > ADams Morgan with its own parking (somewhat limited) > > out front, complete with cameras watching the bike. > > > > This would be an informal affair with only DC > > Cycles. > > Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) > > but > > we would not have the entire place to ourselves. > > > > Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 20:15:01 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/09/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mark Kitchell Can I get an idea if people are interested in a Bike Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan (http://www.asylumdc.com/). This is DC's only real Biker bar. It caters to motorcycles, bike messengers and punks. =================== I fit in neither category mentioned above, but I'd like to be there regardless :) Thanks Mark (and presumably Chuck). Haven't been in AM for a while since I left my position in DC, so it'd be cool... Re: '67 Superhawk... for those who may not know, this - the original - Superhawk boasted all of 305cc. It had dual carbs, an electric start _and_ a kick-start. This was the sporting model. The same motor was dropped into a fully-fendered machine called the "Dream". I know I'm dating myself, but these models appeared around the time ('60s, baby ;) when Honda launched into the US market with its "You meet the nicest people on a Honda" advertising campaign. Incidentally, my first bike was a 1965 CB160 "Supersport" w/ the same features described above, believe it or not. I think I like my present Supersport far better. Ciao! :) JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 20:18:04 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:17:45 EDT Subject: Re: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Damn it, I would be scheduled for training in Richmond on the 22nd and 23rd or else I would definitely be there. Let me know if you pick another night. Scooter In a message dated 9/9/2004 5:23:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: Can I get an idea if people are interested in a Bike Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan (http://www.asylumdc.com/). This is DC's only real Biker bar. It caters to motorcycles, bike messengers and punks. Its on a great location on 18th St in ADams Morgan with its own parking (somewhat limited) out front, complete with cameras watching the bike. This would be an informal affair with only DC Cycles. Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) but we would not have the entire place to ourselves. Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 20:52:44 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:52:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: air conditioned vest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > > MK: > > >Great. The SUV-ification of bikes continues. > > > [Dave] Eh. As long as we're not staring down the > > barrel of > > Venti sized cup holders, cell phone holders, > > mega-watt > > subwoofers, etc... I think we're safe. For now. > > I've got a cup holder and a cell phone holder (hands > free of course) on each of my bikes. Me too. It's called a tank bag :-) It holds maps, my ipod and has room for lots of miscellaneous junk that falls out whenever I open the blamed thing. Finally I turned it around and it works just fine. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 21:40:32 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/09/04 To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Great John. I am neither as well. A bit of a change from our usual venue. --- John Kozyn wrote: > From: Mark Kitchell > > Can I get an idea if people are interested in a Bike > Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan > (http://www.asylumdc.com/). > This is DC's only real Biker bar. It caters to > motorcycles, bike > messengers and punks. > > =================== > > I fit in neither category mentioned above, but I'd > like to be there > regardless :) Thanks Mark (and presumably Chuck). > Haven't been in AM > for a while since I left my position in DC, so it'd > be cool... > > Re: '67 Superhawk... for those who may not know, > this - the original - > Superhawk boasted all of 305cc. It had dual carbs, > an electric start > _and_ a kick-start. This was the sporting model. The > same motor was > dropped into a fully-fendered machine called the > "Dream". > > I know I'm dating myself, but these models appeared > around the time > ('60s, baby ;) when Honda launched into the US > market with its "You > meet the nicest people on a Honda" advertising > campaign. > > Incidentally, my first bike was a 1965 CB160 > "Supersport" w/ the same > features described above, believe it or not. > > I think I like my present Supersport far better. > Ciao! :) > > JK (D-mode) > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 22:08:07 2004 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 22:07:39 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Apparently-From: ASmith0206@XXXXXX X-AOL-IP: 64.12.118.83 I'm in. Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Can I get an idea if people are interested in a Bike > Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan > (http://www.asylumdc.com/). This is DC's only real > Biker bar. It caters to motorcycles, bike messengers > and punks. Its on a great location on 18th St in > ADams Morgan with its own parking (somewhat limited) > out front, complete with cameras watching the bike. > > This would be an informal affair with only DC Cycles. > Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) but > we would not have the entire place to ourselves. > > Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. > > Thanks > > Mark > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 9 22:51:44 2004 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: NEW DATE Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Sounds like the day before, Sept 21 may be better. Anyone who responded, write back if that date kills it for you. THanks --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Can I get an idea if people are interested in a Bike > Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan > (http://www.asylumdc.com/). This is DC's only real > Biker bar. It caters to motorcycles, bike > messengers > and punks. Its on a great location on 18th St in > ADams Morgan with its own parking (somewhat limited) > out front, complete with cameras watching the bike. > > This would be an informal affair with only DC > Cycles. > Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) > but > we would not have the entire place to ourselves. > > Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 07:54:33 2004 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: NEW DATE Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm in. Sounds fun. Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Sounds like the day before, Sept 21 may be better. > Anyone who responded, write back if that date kills > it > for you. THanks > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Can I get an idea if people are interested in a > Bike > > Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan > > (http://www.asylumdc.com/). This is DC's only > real > > Biker bar. It caters to motorcycles, bike > > messengers > > and punks. Its on a great location on 18th St in > > ADams Morgan with its own parking (somewhat > limited) > > out front, complete with cameras watching the > bike. > > > > This would be an informal affair with only DC > > Cycles. > > Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) > > but > > we would not have the entire place to ourselves. > > > > Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 09:57:06 2004 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:57:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Blumgart Subject: BikeNight @ Asylum Monday or Tuesday? Either way, events permitting, I'm there From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 12:27:40 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:27:23 EDT Subject: Re: carb problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/9/2004 2:18:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > I agree with John. It's one of these things. Well I for one have to disagree with myself (sort of.) It could also be a float adjustment problem, check the float level. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 12:42:11 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:41:58 EDT Subject: Re: carb problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/9/2004 2:38:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lister@XXXXXX writes: > The rubber tip on the needle is probably hard as a rock. Rubber? We dont need no stinking rubber! We know how to machine parts to work without it. (It has been a while, but back then few, if any, carb floats needles had rubber tips.) (Hell I remember when the shop manuals said _not_ to use any sealant between the cases, they would seal without it.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 13:00:38 2004 Subject: Re: carb problems From: lister lynch To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:00:23 -0400 You're hardcore man, hardcore. Mike On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 12:41, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/9/2004 2:38:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lister@XXXXXX writes: > > > The rubber tip on the needle is probably hard as a rock. > > Rubber? > We dont need no stinking rubber! > We know how to machine parts to work without it. > > (It has been a while, but back then few, if any, carb floats needles had > rubber tips.) > (Hell I remember when the shop manuals said _not_ to use any sealant between > the cases, they would seal without it.) > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > > 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 15:46:04 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:45:53 EDT Subject: Re: carb problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/10/2004 1:00:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lister@XXXXXX writes: > You're hardcore man, hardcore. Just my arteries man, just my arteries. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 15:50:25 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:50:06 EDT Subject: Re: carb problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/10/2004 3:36:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > And came with a coal shovel to stoke the boiler.... > > :-P Well, that is true... But the part about sealer is also true, to this day I only use maybe one or two _drops_ of sealer on a set of cases because I remember when they needed NONE. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 15:53:45 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:53:32 EDT Subject: Re: carb problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/10/2004 3:36:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > they would seal without it. BTW I should not have to point out I am talking about metric bikes, but I will. I once saw a BSA leak _through_ the sides of crank cases, the aluminum was so porous. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 15:56:53 2004 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:56:44 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: carb problems PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 9/10/2004 3:36:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > > > they would seal without it. > > BTW I should not have to point out I am talking about metric bikes, but I > will. > I once saw a BSA leak _through_ the sides of crank cases, the aluminum was so > porous. that was a design feature. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 16:08:55 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:08:42 EDT Subject: Re: carb problems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/10/2004 3:56:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > I once saw a BSA leak _through_ the sides of crank cases, the aluminum was > so > > porous. > > > that was a design feature. LOL Well, it was a dry sump motor. I guess that is one way to keep it dry #;-/ John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 19:04:43 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: FS: 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:04:42 -0400 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200. Black and nekkid. 18.3k miles. $3,300 OBO. Some minor cosmetic damage left unrepaired from a low-speed spill 18 months ago (scrape on canister, v. small dent on tank, scrape on flyscreen). Holeshot aftermarket parts: Stage II jet kit (w/ K&N pod filters), full exhaust (with brand new Jet-Hot coating), flyscreen, 5* ignition advancer, superbike bars, billet handlebar clamp GSXR intake cam HEL oil cooler w/ s/s lines Constructors Racing Group "lane-splitter" bar end mirrors S/S brake lines, HH pads Pyramid hugger Tank bra extras: A couple or three K&N oil filters, new HH brake pads for front, all or most of stock parts (airbox, exhaust, etc), flush mount rear blinkers (got lazy, never installed). The bike has lived in a cycleshell (www.cycleshell.com) since birth. She isn't perfect, so the price is. Mechanically in great shape. I will miss her, but I just can't justify two bikes at this point in my life (the other is a very low mileage CBR 954). The tires (BT-010s) are about 1/3 worn out. If you insist on new tires, add $275 to the price. Please email me off-list for .jpgs, including the cosmetic damage, or call me and meet me at my house in Arlington (v. near Pentagon). --jon (c) 703-864-6580 (leave voicemail--I have it off when I can't be interrupted). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 21:46:58 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:46:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: Re: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum X-Spam-Level: I can make it Weds, but not Tuesday. Chris At 07:00 PM 9/10/2004, you wrote: > > > > This would be an informal affair with only DC Cycles. > > Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) but > > we would not have the entire place to ourselves. > > > > Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 10 22:33:46 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:33:38 -0400 Low resolution versions of some photos at http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jonathan_strang/my_photos --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: FS: 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200 > 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200. Black and nekkid. 18.3k miles. $3,300 OBO. Some > minor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 11 22:26:04 2004 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/11/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Low resolution versions of some photos at > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jonathan_strang/my_photos Warning: This motorcycle is not for the timid, nor for the newbie. Jon regularly blew by my SS along 211 with this machine. Some very minor cosmetic imperfections as he stated, but it's a solid, well maintained machine for the _experienced_ rider wanting more displacement, way more torque and more power. JK (I like simple air/oil cooled engines best :) N.B. Tues the 21st is fine w/ me too for Bike Night in Adams Morgan; actually it's better for me than Wed. Thanks Mark & Chuck... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 12 10:51:34 2004 Reply-To: From: "smthng" To: Subject: RE: Re: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:51:21 -0400 Back from vacation... I can make it Wed. But, what the halibut is asylum? :) --smthng -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chubb [mailto:cchubb@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:46 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum I can make it Weds, but not Tuesday. Chris At 07:00 PM 9/10/2004, you wrote: > > > > This would be an informal affair with only DC Cycles. > > Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) but we would not > > have the entire place to ourselves. > > > > Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 12 10:55:58 2004 Reply-To: From: "smthng" To: Subject: RE: Re: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:55:48 -0400 >But, what the halibut is asylum? :) Never mind... Must remember to read more posts before replying. For my vote... I can make it Wednesday, but not Tuesdays. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 12 12:24:21 2004 From: Daniel To: Subject: Re: Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:23:57 -0400 I can make it either night. hmm i need to make a more distinctive name, as there are at least 3 daniels on the list :) - Danny Sportbike :) On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:55:48 -0400, "smthng" wrote: >>But, what the halibut is asylum? :) > >Never mind... Must remember to read more posts before replying. > >For my vote... I can make it Wednesday, but not Tuesdays. > >--smthng > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 12 16:10:24 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC DMV; and LI Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:09:55 -0400 Two items of interest - o Cover story on the DC DMV in the current (Sept 10-16) City Paper (available at most DC street corners). Gives recent refurbishes generally good marks. Several (not all new) tips for dehassling the experience (online, Penn branch, etc.). Touches also on inspection. Second paragraph mention of "Dan Perry", applying for a motorcycle learner's permit. Lister by some chance? o "Heavy Metal Thunder, and a Ringing in the Ears." A 5/6 of a page New York Times piece on biker/merchant friction in Greenport, N.Y., on Long Island. (9/11/04 p.A14). Combines noise, older/younger biker, recent/past merchant, ethnic issues. "'The bikers are a metaphor for Greenport's diversity and tradition of tolerance,' said the motorcyclists' most popular supporter [the] mayor." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/11/nyregion/11bikers.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=10 95001425-9TvZock1LyjCxscJqlGjRA (possible registration) [Note: On the same page is a story about an arrest of a man in Lake George for not leaving an "18% tip for parties of six or more." Cost of 9 meals $77.43. Must be the end of summer.] Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Congrat's 'Skins/J. Gibbs Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 12 20:40:05 2004 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conlin Subject: One more shot. SV-S, needs work, make offer. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX '01 SV650S, dark red, 38k miles. Ignition wires cut in an attempted theft and lowside. Excellent candidate for a track bike or general city/commuter. Givi toprack, Givi tinted shield, Scorpion carbon fiber slip-on, new Z6 rear, Z4 front, could use new chain, rear brake pedal and switch. Well loved most of its life. I put 150 twisty turny miles on it the night before it was stolen. Was in the process of getting a new bike anyway, now I have to move and have no time or room for both. Any reasonable offer, bike is guaranteed to run once the obvious has been addresed. Pix available. Bike's just north of Greenbelt/USDA. -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD '01 SV650S '02 DL1000 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 13 08:01:18 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'David Blumgart'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: BikeNight @ Asylum Monday or Tuesday? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:01:10 -0400 Either of those days sound better for me. I work at night on Wednesdays at HTO in Rockville. -----Original Message----- From: David Blumgart [mailto:mojohand@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BikeNight @ Asylum Monday or Tuesday? Either way, events permitting, I'm there From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 13 10:14:28 2004 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:14:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "W.S." , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: DC DMV; and LI -----Original Message----- From: "W.S." Two items of interest - o Cover story on the DC DMV in the current (Sept 10-16) City Paper (available at most DC street corners). Gives recent refurbishes generally good marks. Several (not all new) tips for dehassling the experience (online, Penn branch, etc.). Touches also on inspection. .... -------- Paul notes: I got the Mighty VFR checked for burned-out bulbs, um, I mean inspected on Saturday. Must have been a mid-day lull. And sure enough, inspection expires 11 Sept 2006. I was in and out in about 25 minutes, but the line snaked all the way to I St. and then some, by the time I left. I was feeling lucky, so I headed to C St. to get my "06" registration sticker. That took about an hour, but it's the only location open on Saturday and web renewal doesn't work for bikes, unless you want the Big Honkin' Sticker. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 13 12:41:24 2004 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: 2 fatalities this weekend Some of my friends were leaving 75/80 on Friday and said they saw the aftermath of an accident involving a biker. The only detail I got is that they thought it was a fatality :-( Does anyone know about this incident? I searched online, but didn't come up with anything. The 2nd was Sunday. A 21yr old was supposedly riding erratically and speeding when he collided with a parked rollback tow truck. A friend sent me this link - http://www.gazette.net/200438/frederickcty/updates/235322-1.html -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 13 12:48:14 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Fatality on US340 in MD Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:48:02 -0400 Yesterday evening on 340S between Jefferson, MD and Frederick, MD I saw a crashed bike and a body under a sheet. Turns out it was another bunch on sportbikes doing high speed stunts. This one ran into a parked tow truck (wide open section of road making the crash into the tow truck even more stupid). Frederick News Post story (requires registration) http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/display.htm?storyid=37036 Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 13 13:09:08 2004 From: Daniel To: Wayne Edelen Cc: Subject: Re: 2 fatalities this weekend Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:08:47 -0400 There was a fatality in md outbound rt50 2 to 3 am sunday morning (sat night). On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:00:05 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Edelen wrote: >Some of my friends were leaving 75/80 on Friday and said they saw the >aftermath of an accident involving a biker. The only detail I got is that >they thought it was a fatality :-( Does anyone know about this incident? >I searched online, but didn't come up with anything. > >The 2nd was Sunday. A 21yr old was supposedly riding erratically and >speeding when he collided with a parked rollback tow truck. A friend sent >me this link - >http://www.gazette.net/200438/frederickcty/updates/235322-1.html > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 13 14:02:57 2004 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:02:32 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: New bike on the way Hey all... I'm back from my cruise. It was a bit bumpy due to that big swirling mass of stuff down south, but otherwise it was okay (did you know that the maximum allowable cycle engine size in Bermuda is 150cc?). Anyways, it must have been good because I've finally managed to talk the wife into a new scoot for me... I just put down the deposit on a new 2005 Yamaha FJR1300! I'm psyched... I *LOVE* this bike! It's somewhat rare, as Yamaha only ships them AFTER you've committed to an order, so they're almost never in showrooms. For those that don't know about it, here's the Yama link... http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitinfo/2/mcy/27/180/0/yamaha_fjr1300.aspx I love my FZ1, but it just can't hold a candle to this puppy. Maybe this will convince me to get my saddlebags out of my sig. :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered, monkeys wrenching on it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 13 14:30:34 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NEW DATE Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:19:07 -0400 I can probably be talked into it, either night. Rob '98 VFR800 (just back from crewing another Aids ride...gotta love those Givi's!) From: Mark Kitchell To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Subject: NEW DATE Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Sounds like the day before, Sept 21 may be better. Anyone who responded, write back if that date kills it for you. THanks --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Can I get an idea if people are interested in a Bike > Night at the Asylum Bar in Adams Morgan > (http://www.asylumdc.com/). This is DC's only real > Biker bar. It caters to motorcycles, bike > messengers > and punks. Its on a great location on 18th St in > ADams Morgan with its own parking (somewhat limited) > out front, complete with cameras watching the bike. > > This would be an informal affair with only DC > Cycles. > Just a meet and greet, beers, food (great burgers) > but > we would not have the entire place to ourselves. > > Tenatively Wed, Sept 22 if there is interest. > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 13 21:19:29 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:12:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: NEW DATE Show of Hands For BikeNight @ Asylum Cc: Mark Kitchell X-Spam-Level: At 07:00 PM 9/13/2004, you wrote: >Sounds like the day before, Sept 21 may be better. >Anyone who responded, write back if that date kills it >for you. THanks Yeah, Tuesday is a deal killer for me. Sorry. Would like it to be Weds. Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 07:22:49 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:20:03 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Yamie GTS Rode it with a GTS with Orgon plates. If your on the list - nice bike! I had only seen pictures that GTS is neat. Nice ride in too. Tom de '98 VTR <-- For Sale! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 10:40:23 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Bike Night: Tuesday September 21 @ AsylumDC To: DC Cycles http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ Its official: The next Bike Night is next Tuesday, September 21st at Asylum (upstairs) in Adams Morgan (Washington, DC). This will be a smaller event, only promoted to DC Cycles. Please feel free to invite anyone. Asylum 2471 18th Street )B• Washington, DC Phone (202) 319-9353 Asylum is DC's only true biker bar. Located in the heart of Adam's Morgan, Asylum has limited reserved parking for motorcycles only. There is room for about 20 bikes, I will try to extend parking to nearby car spaces if possible. www.asylumdc.com All motorcycles welcome. Sportbikes, classics, standards, Harleys, Italians, BMWs, britBikes... Happy Hour: $2 drafts (Yuenling, Cider, Shiner Bock and Miller High Life), 3$ drafts (Red Hook IPA, Guinness, Magic Hat #9, Dead Guy Ale, Bass Ale, Sam Adams Summer Ale), 3$ Rail Drinks, and $3 Wine. Food Specials: Half-price burgers, $.25 wings, $.50 tacos. http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 11:56:26 2004 Subject: One mile at a time Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:56:12 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Cc: "Julian Halton" I returned to the DC area last night at 6:30pm from Montreal, Canada. 2100 miles added to my total mileage on this trip. I have so much to say I don't know where to start. Thanks to everyone here for their advice on what to pack and gear recommendations . Driving through Northern NY state after sundown, I would have been hosed if it wasn't for the lister who stressed layering. My fieldsheer mesh jacket with liner and matching pants were not up to task. For a few hours, I was getting a little loopy on the road and was absolutely frozen. 12 and a half hour trip from Dewey, Delaware. The ferry was an interesting experience....Fun to be on a bike, the water was a little choppy and I was very glad I took my OSI bike cover, although it took up my back pack almost entirely. Motrin was indispensable to me. On the way up it was my lower back that got tense and stressed. I was on my 02 Yamaha R6. On the way up near the end, I had to adopt this really weird position. I was sitting well forward, sticking my chest out so I looked like on of those things on the prow of a boat. This took some stress off my neck and lower torso was totally against the tank. My bike performed like the absolute champion it is. The Cortech Tourmaster gear and the R6 don't work. The neoprene protective padding did not completely cover the sides of the bags so my cowling has four points of rash. The saddlebags look neat but basically toted my shoes, jacket liner and gym kit. I won't be using them again...at least on the R6. If I can get the tail bag to work on it's own, I will be content. Every single person on this list would love Quebec. Bikes are known and well respected. The left lane is for passing only. People drive well, pull over to let you pass and fast. Montreal is known for it's entertainment industry, part of which is run by the Hell's Angels. Bouncers at clubs are more than happy to safely stow your helmet, watch your bike and extend a lot of courtesy to you. Parking is outstanding and my bike was not tampered with. Most of the time it was in my brother's garage, His fianc)Bée kicked me out after night one but the bike was allowed to stay. One day I rode out to the Eastern townships, a beautiful part of Quebec bordering Vermont. Lakes, miles of great roads, polite people and bikes galore. Harleys, Indians, Buells all kinds of things. Biking is a treasured activity and I saw a lot of women. The majority of women as in close to 90% rode their own bikes. Total strangers were very kind to me and pointed me towards a series of four roads that take about an hour and a half to travel and allow you to totally explore the abilities of your bike. People drive very fast but very well. 95 miles per hour in the right lane was not uncommon. The twisties were not fantastic but the scenery was. Remember Lac Brome. I also saw these weird hybrid bikes with two wheels in front a shell cover very futuristic looking and two pipes and one wheel in the rear. Bike gear is much more expensive but I came across a huge store with a full selection of Dainese gear and Frank Thomas racing stuff. Another highlight was riding with my brother. He is excellent and conservative...His only bad habit that I could determine was following a little too closely in city traffic. I rode his '04 silver and black R6. The seating position is more upright...the handle bars are a little more responsive. I like the gauges that light up red at night. He wasn't past his break in period so I did not push the bike. I did double his overall mileage. He "neglected" to tell his fianc)Bée's mother about the bike so I caught seven hundred different kinds of flack when I explained at dinner that one of the reasons I rode was to ride with my brother. The ride back ...my knees ached to the point I had to pull over. Running up and down Mont Royal three times explains that particular pain. 11 hours on the way back. Had to stop in Plattsburgh to buy a sweater as I was cold. That said I was never bored, enjoyed it much more than driving in a car, had moments of absolute brilliance and grins. No close calls, except for one caused by me, when I had a tired spell and started an involuntary lane change. Saw about seven bikes on the way up and maybe five on the way down. They were nice to me at the Canadian border, and did not even ask for my ID. The border crew on the way back in, took me aside but were a little impressed by my bike tour of the Northeast so it was not all that bad. Interesting note on 87 South. The entire highway was blocked off to create an armed checkpoint. Guys in green with rifles make me a little nervous no matter where I am. These were hard core, aviator wearing dudes with no insignia on their uniform. I was stopped, given the once over, asked my citizenship and then allowed to proceed. That trip was a highlight of my life, I spend so much time doing the same old routine, I had forgotten what it was like to have a bunch of new experiences. That started with the Lewes, Cape May ferry something I would have never done had a lister not recommended it to me. Good to be back and looking forward to my next big trip. Go West young man! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 13:48:14 2004 From: To: Subject: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:48:01 -0400 There are so many different kinds of stupid here that I don't even know where to begin. -aki (Washington Post) Half-Naked Man Dies In Motorcycle Accident Production Company Allegedly Films Man POSTED: 8:25 am EDT September 14, 2004 FREDERICK, Md. -- Maryland State Police are wondering why a motorcycle rider was riding half naked along Route 340 near Frederick moments before the crash that killed him Sunday afternoon. Police said 21-year-old Shaun Matlock was wearing only a T-shirt and sneakers as he and six friends were riding their motorcycles near the Mount Zion Road exit. Police said Matlock did a "wheelie" then lost control of his machine and hit a parked tow truck. The medical examiner is performing an autopsy and a toxicology screening. Matlock's friends and relatives planned a candlelight vigil last night at Famous Dave's in Frederick. Matlock's aunt said a Baltimore-based production company, Holding It Big Entertainment, was filming him at the time of the accident. Police have not confirmed the film company's presence at the accident scene. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 14:41:34 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:41:18 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident At 01:48 PM 9/14/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >There are so many different kinds of stupid here that I don't even know where to begin. I agree.... I was out riding Sunday, and almost headed up to Frederick, but changed my mind when I got up to Rt355 and Rt80...went east instead. Really nice day for a ride too... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 15:50:58 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:50:42 EDT Subject: Re: One mile at a time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/14/2004 11:56:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > I was sitting well forward, sticking my chest out so I looked like on of > those things on the prow of a boat. This took some stress off my neck and > lower torso was totally against the tank. One of us should have suggested a tank bag, filled with clothing and other soft stuff (would you really want hard/sharp stuff _there_?) that you could "lay" down on, taking pressure from your back and "lower back" Oh well, next time. I spent a few hours in Canada on a bike many years ago and look forward to riding there again when my wife and I head for Alaska via Canada next year. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 16:10:17 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:10:02 EDT Subject: Re: One mile at a time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/14/2004 11:56:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > sticking my chest out so I looked like on of those things on the prow of a > boat. Those "things" were usually busty young women (or mermaids.) Do you really want us to have that image of you? Sorry. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 16:23:20 2004 Subject: RE: One mile at a time Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:23:07 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , I had a tank bag For you gear heads: 02 Yamaha R6 Nelson Rigg MG-50 tank bag (magnetic) FieldSheer mesh pants and Mach 1 jacket Tourmaster saddlebags and tailbag Sidi Vertebrae 2 race boots Shoei RF-1000 helmet Gap Backpack Earplugs Motrin I would tuck one hand under my helmet for extra support when I thought I could get away with it. -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:10 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: One mile at a time In a message dated 9/14/2004 11:56:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > sticking my chest out so I looked like on of those things on the prow > of a boat. Those "things" were usually busty young women (or mermaids.) Do you really want us to have that image of you? Sorry. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 16:27:36 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:27:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: One mile at a time -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/14/2004 11:56:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > I was sitting well forward, sticking my chest out so I looked like on of > those things on the prow of a boat. This took some stress off my neck and > lower torso was totally against the tank. One of us should have suggested a tank bag, filled with clothing and other soft stuff (would you really want hard/sharp stuff _there_?) that you could "lay" down on, taking pressure from your back and "lower back" Oh well, next time. ------ Tank bag "napping" is good way to take the load off. I also slide back on the seat, raise my knees and put my elbows on them, for a slightly different position. The important thing is to remind yourself constantly to keep the upper body loose. Tension up there leads to fatigue rather quickly. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 17:23:20 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Moto parking in downtown Silver Spring Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:23:09 -0400 Hi Everyone, I am heading out to dinner in downtown Silver Spring soon and wondered if anyone has any insite on good bike parking close to the Metro, it's been a while since I have been that direction. According to the Montgomery County website the parking garage on Bonifant has 8 motorcycle spots. Does anyone know where in the garage the spaces are, top floor, bottom floor? Are they all together or are they hidden throughout the garage? Also, does anyone know if the Pay on Foot system in the garage on Wayne Avenue works for motorcycles. I somehow suspect it might not work too well when registering bikes entering and exiting at the gates. Any insite would be appreciated. Thanks Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR 600, track only From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 17:54:02 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Colors? To: DC Cycles Anyone who knows anything about 'colors' or riding 'groups' ping me off list. thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 18:41:31 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Half-Naked Man Dies In Motorcycle Accident > Production Company Allegedly Films Man I was watching Fox5 and they are going to have a story about the accident tonight at 10pm. They mentioned that police have the video of the crash. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 19:30:05 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.81) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Sep 2004 21:49:05 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:49:05 -0500 Subject: Moto parking in downtown Silver Spring Can't help on the garages, but I've used the outdoor MC parking (only 3 spots or so, but I've never seen more than one other bike) by the metered auto parking right by the SS Metro station -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 20:07:28 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Subject: RE: One mile at a time "Hybrid" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:07:19 -0400 It's a T-Rex, fabriqu)Bé au Canada. http://www.go-t-rex.com From their site: 0-60 mph (97 km/h) : 4.1 sec Lateral accel (200-ft skidpad) : 1.9 g Fun stuff. "I also saw these weird hybrid bikes with two wheels in front a shell cover very futuristic looking and two pipes and one wheel in the rear." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 14 21:35:23 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:34:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident At 07:02 PM 9/14/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Half-Naked Man Dies In Motorcycle Accident >> Production Company Allegedly Films Man > >I was watching Fox5 and they are going to have a story about the accident >tonight at 10pm. They mentioned that police have the video of the crash. Guess the aunt was right. I wonder if they'll be able to tell if his loss of control was due to having the wheelie shove the gas tank into his unrestrained family jewels? He's certainly in the running for a Darwin award... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 07:11:01 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: One mile at a time To: Julian Halton , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > His fianc)Bée kicked me out after night one but the bike > was allowed to stay. no details? fiancee is already wearing your brother's pants? > That trip was a highlight of my life, I spend so much > time doing the same old routine, I had forgotten what it > was like to have a bunch of new experiences. That > started with the Lewes, Cape May ferry something I would > have never done had a lister not recommended it to me. moto-touring really is awesome. glad you enjoyed your trip. many on this list do this regularly... so if you're interested there may be more opportunities for you to do this with a group. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 10:12:53 2004 Subject: RE: One mile at a time Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:12:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Tom Gimer" , Fianc)Bée is now his wife and she is fairly cool. She was stressed out because of the wedding and overly protective and worried about my little brother. Seeing is they have been together nine years, I don't have much to comment. Let me just say that being the single older brother and best man at a wedding garners a lot of attention. I will definitely be doing more touring. Apart from some soreness and being too cold in the Adirondacks, everything went smoothly. I have never been out West so my big plan is to take a bike and head cross country. I would think I would need three weeks to a month as I want to stop in a lot of places. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:11 AM To: Julian Halton; DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: One mile at a time --- Julian Halton wrote: > His fianc)Bée kicked me out after night one but the bike was allowed to > stay. no details? fiancee is already wearing your brother's pants? > That trip was a highlight of my life, I spend so much time doing the > same old routine, I had forgotten what it was like to have a bunch of > new experiences. That started with the Lewes, Cape May ferry > something I would have never done had a lister not recommended it to > me. moto-touring really is awesome. glad you enjoyed your trip. many on this list do this regularly... so if you're interested there may be more opportunities for you to do this with a group. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 10:25:23 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For anyone interested, one of my friends found their website after watching the FOX report on it. This is the squid's URL: http://www.holdingitbig.com/ Check out the videos if you want to see some stupid crap. Glenn --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > There are so many different kinds of stupid here > that I don't even know where to begin. > > -aki > > (Washington Post) > > Half-Naked Man Dies In Motorcycle Accident > Production Company Allegedly Films Man > > POSTED: 8:25 am EDT September 14, 2004 > > FREDERICK, Md. -- Maryland State Police are > wondering why a motorcycle rider was riding half > naked along Route 340 near Frederick moments before > the crash that killed him Sunday afternoon. > > Police said 21-year-old Shaun Matlock was wearing > only a T-shirt and sneakers as he and six friends > were riding their motorcycles near the Mount Zion > Road exit. > > Police said Matlock did a "wheelie" then lost > control of his machine and hit a parked tow truck. > The medical examiner is performing an autopsy and a > toxicology screening. > > Matlock's friends and relatives planned a > candlelight vigil last night at Famous Dave's in > Frederick. > > Matlock's aunt said a Baltimore-based production > company, Holding It Big Entertainment, was filming > him at the time of the accident. > > Police have not confirmed the film company's > presence at the accident scene. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 11:01:24 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:00:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident From the HIB website: "One of the most important goals of the company, is to positively bring a form of entertainment to the public that is usually rejected due to lack of style, purpose, and organization." I supoose highway fatalities are entertaining for the public? -Sean Glenn Dysart wrote: > For anyone interested, one of my friends found their > website after watching the FOX report on it. This is > the squid's URL: http://www.holdingitbig.com/ > > Check out the videos if you want to see some stupid > crap. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 11:04:24 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident To: Sean Steele , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Now thats some fine writin'! --- Sean Steele wrote: > From the HIB website: "One of the most important > goals of the company, > is to positively bring a form of entertainment to > the public that is > usually rejected due to lack of style, purpose, and > organization." > > I supoose highway fatalities are entertaining for > the public? > > -Sean > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > For anyone interested, one of my friends found > their > > website after watching the FOX report on it. This > is > > the squid's URL: http://www.holdingitbig.com/ > > > > Check out the videos if you want to see some > stupid > > crap. > > > > Glenn > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 11:13:18 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:13:09 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident Sean Steele wrote: > > From the HIB website: "One of the most important goals of the company, > is to positively bring a form of entertainment to the public that is > usually rejected due to lack of style, purpose, and organization." > > I supoose highway fatalities are entertaining for the public? > > -Sean "It's interesting when people die" skip, kazaa-ing it now. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 11:29:45 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:29:35 EDT Subject: Re: One mile at a time To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Yep, that sounds about right if you plan on stopping at a lot of places. I took two weeks and went to the races at Laguna Seca in Monterey, CA and back on my R6 a couple years ago. Left Saturday morning, got there Thursday afternoon. Came back Monday morning and made it to my folks house in PA around 1am on Friday morning. I was within 100 miles of their house and didn't feel like getting a hotel room when I was that close. :-) Scooter In a message dated 9/15/2004 10:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: I will definitely be doing more touring. Apart from some soreness and being too cold in the Adirondacks, everything went smoothly. I have never been out West so my big plan is to take a bike and head cross country. I would think I would need three weeks to a month as I want to stop in a lot of places. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 11:34:32 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident To: Mark Kitchell , Sean Steele , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Truth in advertising at least. "lack of style, purpose, and organization" --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Now thats some fine writin'! > > > --- Sean Steele wrote: > > > From the HIB website: "One of the most important > > goals of the company, > > is to positively bring a form of entertainment to > > the public that is > > usually rejected due to lack of style, purpose, > and > > organization." > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 12:53:52 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:49:43 -0000 From: "vfrjoey" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Half-Naked Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose In another group I'm in someone asked "is it the motorcycles that are dangerous or the cameras? How many squidsplats are the result of the one-eyed monster and how many are just mistakes? here's the latest from the Frederick paper. "FREDERICK -- The death of a motorcyclist doing stunts on U.S. 340 Sunday was videotaped by a man riding in a vehicle next to him, police said Tuesday, but the tape was erased. Trooper David Ward said the tape had been erased twice by the time police got it from the man who made it. Police would not say who made the recording, but said their investigation of Shaun Paul Matlock's death is under investigation. "We know a lot, but we are still trying to put it all together," Trooper Ward said. Police did say the man filming Mr. Matlock, 21, either owned or worked for Holding It Big Productions, a Baltimore-based company that was filming a documentary on extreme sports in the area recently. Trooper Ward said about seven motorcyclists were riding west on U.S. 340 Sunday afternoon when Mr. Matlock lost control of his bike as he rode with his front wheel pulled up off the pavement. He hit a tow truck parked along the side of the road and died at the scene. One other cyclist in the group was also doing wheelies. Both men were wearing helmets, shirts and shoes, but neither were wearing pants or underwear, police said. Trooper Ward said two vehicles were following the group of motorcycles going down the dual-lane highway to block traffic from behind. A third vehicle was traveling next to the two stunt riders so a passenger inside could tape them. Trooper Ward said it hasn't been decided whether charges would be filed in the incident. But the identity of the man taping is known...." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 13:26:10 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Cc: Subject: A solution to cagers who don't see you? http://www.wsbtv.com/news/3730188/detail.html I bet nobody was tailgating him... :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 13:40:10 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ma-f-biker@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:39:57 -0400 Maybe he was going back to the barber for giving him that hair do. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:47 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ma-f-biker@XXXXXX Subject: A solution to cagers who don't see you? http://www.wsbtv.com/news/3730188/detail.html I bet nobody was tailgating him... :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 13:43:35 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:43:33 -0400 From: Skip To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" CC: "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ma-f-biker@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > > Maybe he was going back to the barber for giving him that hair do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:47 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: ma-f-biker@XXXXXX > Subject: A solution to cagers who don't see you? > > http://www.wsbtv.com/news/3730188/detail.html > > I bet nobody was tailgating him... :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I'm thinkign that regarless of what he was charged with, he prolly deserves it. skip, judging the book by the cover. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 13:58:31 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:58:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And why would that be? Just because he displayed a firearm out in public? Not sure about that state, but it happens to be legal in Virginia... Glenn --- Skip wrote: > > > I'm thinkign that regarless of what he was charged > with, he prolly > deserves it. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:01:07 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:01:04 -0400 From: Skip To: Glenn Dysart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? it was tongue in cheek, as the young man in question has a mohawk. that's why I added, after my name, "judging the book by the cover." Glenn Dysart wrote: > > And why would that be? Just because he displayed a > firearm out in public? Not sure about that state, but > it happens to be legal in Virginia... > > Glenn > > --- Skip wrote: > > > > > > > I'm thinkign that regarless of what he was charged > > with, he prolly > > deserves it. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:03:46 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:03:38 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? it is not legal in Va to brandish a firearm unless you have a concealed wepon permit and from my understanding you cant jsut wear it out where every1 can see it or you can be arrested for public disturbance or whatever From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:07:11 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:06:52 EDT Subject: Re: One mile at a time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/15/2004 10:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > my big plan is to take a bike and head cross country. GO!!!! Just go! Do not wait, go! You may wind up cold, wet, tired, but you will never regret going. In 1976 I took my first trip around the perimeter of the country. I could not afford it. I was not on the perfect bike. And every day I am glad I made that trip. Just Go. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:09:46 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not true. Brandishing a firearm and carrying one on your side are two different animals. And in the state of VA carrying a firearm on your side has always been legal. As a matter of fact some guys just got harassed in Reston a few weeks ago over this same thing. The cops took their guns and gave them some BS charge until on of their superiors educated the cops on the law. Glenn --- Eric Geary wrote: > it is not legal in Va to brandish a firearm unless > you have a > concealed wepon permit and from my understanding you > cant jsut wear it > out where every1 can see it or you can be arrested > for public > disturbance or whatever > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:13:38 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:13:28 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:03:38 -0400, Eric Geary wrote: > it is not legal in Va to brandish a firearm unless you have a > concealed wepon permit and from my understanding you cant jsut wear it > out where every1 can see it or you can be arrested for public > disturbance or whatever Rubbish - you can't brandish a firearm AT ALL - a concealment permit doesn't grant you that right! A concreal permit (you guessed it!) grants you the privilege to CONCEAL a weapon. )B§ 18.2-282. Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty. A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm [ . . .] in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm [ . . .] in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. And, in Virginia, you CAN "jsut wear it out where every1 can see" - and no, they can't charge you with causing a public disturbance for slinging a rifle across your back. Really, where do people come up with this crap? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:16:07 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:15:58 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dysart charged: >And why would that be? Just because he displayed a >firearm out in public? Not sure about that state, but >it happens to be legal in Virginia... [Dave] Not if it was loaded, with more than 20 rounds of ammunition... http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-287.4 Note that by the rules of statutory construction, the inclusion of one thing means the exclusion of another, a permit would NOT exempt you from this violation... if loaded... Now, if it wasn't loaded, I'm not sure... It isn't 'securely wrapped', but slung over the back isn't brandishing any more than a holstered gun is... Do it in MD, and you'll be gunned down by no less than 3 SWAT teams. Do it in DC, and the cops will mow down pedestrians to "show you who's boss"... Who knows about GA... They have a really weird and broad "public gathering" prohibition which I'm sure could be held to mean on a highway... OTOH... I see no problem with vehicle hard mounts and handlebar actuated triggers of rear firing shotguns or rifles, or even motion sensor activated if the sensor doesn't trip until, say, half a cage length... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:17:39 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:17:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? In VA: It is legal to carry a firearm openly. It is not legal to brandish a firearm (raise threateningly, show to intimidate) ever. Concealed Carry allows you to carry a loaded firearm, but not to brandish. There are more than a few CC permit holders on list. No moto content, so let me say that when I carry firearms on my bike, they are generally in my tank bag. At 02:03 PM 9/15/2004, Eric Geary wrote: >it is not legal in Va to brandish a firearm unless you have a >concealed wepon permit and from my understanding you cant jsut wear it >out where every1 can see it or you can be arrested for public >disturbance or whatever ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:17:45 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:17:13 -0400 Really, where do people come up with this crap? http://www.crap.com/ Sorry, couldn't resist :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:18:12 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:18:08 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? To: Eric Geary Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >it is not legal in Va to brandish a firearm unless you have a >concealed wepon permit and from my understanding you cant >jsut wear it >out where every1 can see it or you can be arrested for public >disturbance or whatever [Dave] BAAAAH. wrong. Brandishing is a separate crime from carrying a loaded rifle. Brandishing has a "threatening" element in it. Also, Drawing the gun - is not necessarily - brandishing, nor is having it out. There was a court case in which a guy was showing his gun to another person and a 3rd party called the cops, arrest, conviction, appeal, SC overturned. See the previous post. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:18:46 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:18:43 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Hah i knew you couldnt do that crap. sorry im still new to this but i know you can just go around carrying a gun around your shoulder. some people sheesh:P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:19:40 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:19:37 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? err i meant you cant just go arounfd hehe:) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:22:41 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:22:26 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Not true. Brandishing a firearm and carrying one on >your side are two different animals. And in the state >of VA carrying a firearm on your side has always been >legal. [Dave] False. see : http://www.virginia1774.org for a pretty comprehensive history of bearing arms. > As a matter of fact some guys just got >harassed in Reston a few weeks ago over this same >thing. The cops took their guns and gave them some BS >charge until on of their superiors educated the cops >on the law. [Dave] That would be Tyson's Starbucks. 2 words for you: Uh Glee Cops had to actually apologize! AND couldn't keep the guns as throw downs. What? Fairfax doesn't pay enough to afford their own throw downs? Where DOES all my tax money go? You are generally right though. In VA, you may carry a holstered handgun, openly, (typically interpreted as viewable from 3 sides, or common observation), so long as it isn't otherwise prohibited by law. At least since '50, and varying other times before that. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:28:48 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Do you have a CWP? You need it to carry in the bag right? --- Troutman wrote: > In VA: It is legal to carry a firearm openly. It is > not legal to brandish > a firearm (raise threateningly, show to intimidate) > ever. Concealed Carry > allows you to carry a loaded firearm, but not to > brandish. > > There are more than a few CC permit holders on list. > > No moto content, so let me say that when I carry > firearms on my bike, they > are generally in my tank bag. > > At 02:03 PM 9/15/2004, Eric Geary wrote: > >it is not legal in Va to brandish a firearm unless > you have a > >concealed wepon permit and from my understanding > you cant jsut wear it > >out where every1 can see it or you can be arrested > for public > >disturbance or whatever > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:32:58 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:32:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Non-moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? -----Original Message----- From: Troutman In VA: It is legal to carry a firearm openly. It is not legal to brandish a firearm (raise threateningly, show to intimidate) ever. ---- Ever? Even if an assailant wishes to inflict bodily harm? I thought that was the rationale behind concealed carry. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:34:56 2004 Subject: RE: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:34:47 -0400 From: "John Yang" To: In Virginia, you can carry holstered firearms out in the open. You cannot do that in DC or Maryland (at least that is my understanding). In Virginia, concealed carry permit allows you to carry a handgun concealed, you do not need a permit to carry it in the open. So that little piece of paper (permit) lets you throw your jacket over your gun so others don't get frightened. The permit also clears away most issues about transporting handguns as well. Without a permit, you must have the weapon locked and in the trunk (in a car) while transporting. With a permit, it can be anywhere you wish. Takes the legal blur away when you have a SUV without a trunk, or a pickup and you don't want your guns in the bed but in the cab with you. Also lets you transport a gun on a motorcycle, since there's no trunk (or other locked, inaccessable area on a motorcycle) there either. For me, it's legal CYA for the many transport laws. This e-mail is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. It may include Blackboard confidential and proprietary information, and is not for redistribution. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:35:17 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:35:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? http://www.vsp.state.va.us/cjis_trans_fire.htm )B§ 15.2-915.2. This section empowers the governing body of any county or city to, by ordinance, make it unlawful for any person to transport, possess or carry a loaded shotgun or loaded rifle in any vehicle on any public street, road, or highway within such locality. Any violation of such ordinance shall be punishable by a fine of not more than $100. I'm not in VA, nor do I keep track of firearm laws, but that web page noted you can't transport a loaded rife/shotgun. Wouldn't the transport issue be what they would charge him on? If the screw on my brake-cable can keep vibrating loose, I'd hate for a rifle-safety to get jarred off when loaded... (or caught and pulled on a jacket bit) Stranger has happened. Erick 74' CB-750 "30% chance of rain today" - Ha! Glad I at least brought my rain pants.... A gun thread in dc-cycles! Who'd have thunk it... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 14:52:13 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:52:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? At 02:32 PM 9/15/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >In VA: It is legal to carry a firearm openly. It is not legal to brandish >a firearm (raise threateningly, show to intimidate) ever. > >---- > >Ever? Even if an assailant wishes to inflict bodily harm? I thought that >was the rationale behind concealed carry. Ever was a poor choice of words. Ever except in case of rape or imminent bodily harm to you or someone else. And as my firearms instructor told me long ago, don't pull it unless you plan to use it, then don't hesitate. In VA you have to exhaust every other option before shooting someone, and you can't shoot over property disputes (i.e. theft). You must be backed into a corner or defending someone's life. In Texas you can shoot someone for being on your property at night. Period. I almost rode today, then had to go to the doctor. Does anyone else find it a pain in the ass to wear your gear in the rain to a medical office? Then you have to find a place to stow it, dripping wet in the waiting room. Always wondering who will walk off with your new Shoei while you wait for an hour in the back room. Same in dry weather without the dripping. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 15:04:52 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:04:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Some moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? -----Original Message----- From: Troutman At 02:32 PM 9/15/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >In VA: It is legal to carry a firearm openly. It is not legal to brandish >a firearm (raise threateningly, show to intimidate) ever. > >---- > >Ever? Even if an assailant wishes to inflict bodily harm? I thought that >was the rationale behind concealed carry. Ever was a poor choice of words. Ever except in case of rape or imminent bodily harm to you or someone else. ----- I knew that's what you meant, just clarifying for those that might be confused. :) ----- I almost rode today, then had to go to the doctor. Does anyone else find it a pain in the ass to wear your gear in the rain to a medical office? Then you have to find a place to stow it, dripping wet in the waiting room. Always wondering who will walk off with your new Shoei while you wait for an hour in the back room. Same in dry weather without the dripping. ---- As for that conundrum, I use a Kryptonite cable lock for the helmet, through the chin bar and Givi rack. Or if the E460 is empty, or nearly so, the full face fits inside with room to spare. ---- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 15:09:38 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:09:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Some moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > > As for that conundrum, I use a Kryptonite cable lock for the helmet, through the chin bar and Givi rack. Or if the E460 is empty, or nearly so, the full face fits inside with room to spare. > http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=66128 -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 15:13:59 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:13:54 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? To: Mark Kitchell Cc: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MK asks: >Do you have a CWP? You need it to carry in the bag >right? [Dave] Not necessarily, although I'd feel better if it were saddle bags, not a tank bag... see http://www.virginia1774.org/Sutherlands.html Sutherland's Case, 109 Va. 834. Opinion Richmond Sutherland v. Commonwealth. June 17, 1909. 1. Concealed Weapons - Pistol in Saddlebags-- "About His Person"-- Constructive Offenses -- A pistol in a scabbard and in a pair of saddlebags, with the lids down, though the saddlebags be in the hand, does not fall within the language of the statute which says: If a person carry about his person hid from common observation any pistol," etc. The words "about his person" must mean that it is so connected with the person as to be readily accessible for use or surprise, if required. The act described must be within the spirit and letter of the statute in order to constitute a crime, and this is neither. There are no constructive offenses. Error to a judgment of the Circuit Court of Dickson County. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 15:14:57 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:14:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Some moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Yeah, I see that's making the rounds....again. Why bother picking the lock, when a pair of bolt cutters will make quick work of the cable. And who wants to steal a four-year-old helmet anyway? -----Original Message----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > > As for that conundrum, I use a Kryptonite cable lock for the helmet, through the chin bar and Givi rack. Or if the E460 is empty, or nearly so, the full face fits inside with room to spare. > http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=66128 -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 15:29:03 2004 Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? From: lister lynch To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:28:46 -0400 There was another incident out in Reston (or somewhere out there) with a group of 6 or more VCDL members eating in a restaurant that served alcohol. They all had to open carry, and some nervous nellie called the cops saying a whole "group of guys with guns" just came in the restaurant. FFX finest showed up, said some wrong things, the guys disputed the false claims, it was called in to superiors, cops were informed what the laws were and the guys commenced eating their meal. IIRC that was like a week before the Starbucks false arrest/confiscation. Mike VA CCW On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 14:22, Dave Yates wrote: > > As a matter of fact some guys just got > >harassed in Reston a few weeks ago over this same > >thing. The cops took their guns and gave them some BS > >charge until on of their superiors educated the cops > >on the law. > > [Dave] That would be Tyson's Starbucks. 2 words for you: > > Uh > Glee > > Cops had to actually apologize! AND couldn't keep the > guns as throw downs. What? Fairfax doesn't pay enough to > afford their own throw downs? > Where DOES all my tax money go? > > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 15:32:06 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? To: lister lynch , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Why are we talking about guns???? That restaurant still has the right (as it should) to refuse customers with guns. Also, the 'nervous nellie' had a right to be nervous, the open carry law is not well publicized. Former CCP --- lister lynch wrote: > There was another incident out in Reston (or > somewhere out there) with a > group of 6 or more VCDL members eating in a > restaurant that served > alcohol. They all had to open carry, and some > nervous nellie called the > cops saying a whole "group of guys with guns" just > came in the > restaurant. FFX finest showed up, said some wrong > things, the guys > disputed the false claims, it was called in to > superiors, cops were > informed what the laws were and the guys > commenced eating > their meal. IIRC that was like a week before the > Starbucks false > arrest/confiscation. > > Mike > VA CCW > > > > On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 14:22, Dave Yates wrote: > > > > As a matter of fact some guys just got > > >harassed in Reston a few weeks ago over this same > > >thing. The cops took their guns and gave them > some BS > > >charge until on of their superiors educated the > cops > > >on the law. > > > > [Dave] That would be Tyson's Starbucks. 2 words > for you: > > > > Uh > > Glee > > > > Cops had to actually apologize! AND > couldn't keep the > > guns as throw downs. What? Fairfax doesn't pay > enough to > > afford their own throw downs? > > Where DOES all my tax money go? > > > > > Dave Yates > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 15:39:07 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.51) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Sep 2004 19:38:59 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:38:59 -0500 Subject: Now with actual motorcycle content I'm considering a '96 VFR750 advertised on CL. What are the substantial differences between one of that vintage and a new or newer 800? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 15:53:56 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:53:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now with actual motorcycle content Pre-98 Carbureted Standard brakes 98-01 EFI Linked brakes A tad more displacement -----Original Message----- From: David Blumgart Sent: Sep 15, 2004 3:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Now with actual motorcycle content I'm considering a '96 VFR750 advertised on CL. What are the substantial differences between one of that vintage and a new or newer 800? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 15:58:35 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:57:42 -0400 From: Skip To: Mark Kitchell CC: lister lynch , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? because it's raining, Mark. sheesh! ;-) the restraunt has the right to refuse service to any for any reason. the citizen had the right to feel nervous and call the cops. the cops had an obligation to know the law. it may not be well publicized, but they ought to know what they are charged with enforcing. Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Why are we talking about guns???? > > That restaurant still has the right (as it should) to > refuse customers with guns. Also, the 'nervous > nellie' had a right to be nervous, the open carry law > is not well publicized. > > Former CCP > > --- lister lynch wrote: > > > There was another incident out in Reston (or > > somewhere out there) with a > > group of 6 or more VCDL members eating in a > > restaurant that served > > alcohol. They all had to open carry, and some > > nervous nellie called the > > cops saying a whole "group of guys with guns" just > > came in the > > restaurant. FFX finest showed up, said some wrong > > things, the guys > > disputed the false claims, it was called in to > > superiors, cops were > > informed what the laws were and the guys > > commenced eating > > their meal. IIRC that was like a week before the > > Starbucks false > > arrest/confiscation. > > > > Mike > > VA CCW > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 14:22, Dave Yates wrote: > > > > > > As a matter of fact some guys just got > > > >harassed in Reston a few weeks ago over this same > > > >thing. The cops took their guns and gave them > > some BS > > > >charge until on of their superiors educated the > > cops > > > >on the law. > > > > > > [Dave] That would be Tyson's Starbucks. 2 words > > for you: > > > > > > Uh > > > Glee > > > > > > Cops had to actually apologize! AND > > couldn't keep the > > > guns as throw downs. What? Fairfax doesn't pay > > enough to > > > afford their own throw downs? > > > Where DOES all my tax money go? > > > > > > > > Dave Yates > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 16:20:31 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:20:22 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Now with actual motorcycle content At 03:53 PM 9/15/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >Pre-98 > >Carbureted >Standard brakes > > >98-01 > >EFI >Linked brakes >A tad more displacement You forgot that the Pre-98 is much more attractive ;-) If Michael Cross is still on list, he is selling his '94-97 model. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 17:20:17 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now with actual motorcycle content Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:08:36 -0400 The 98's are faster and much better looking! ;-) And the even newer ones '02-+ have Vtech, but no gear driven cams. Twin underseat exhaust and are butt ugly! LOL Rob '98 VFR800 (no bias at all) ;-) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now with actual motorcycle content Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:53:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Pre-98 Carbureted Standard brakes 98-01 EFI Linked brakes A tad more displacement -----Original Message----- From: David Blumgart Sent: Sep 15, 2004 3:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Now with actual motorcycle content I'm considering a '96 VFR750 advertised on CL. What are the substantial differences between one of that vintage and a new or newer 800? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 17:38:19 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:35:28 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Cc: At 01:46 PM 9/15/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >http://www.wsbtv.com/news/3730188/detail.html > >I bet nobody was tailgating him... :-) Typical propaganda reporting masquerading as news. The "assault weaons ban" expiration has nothing at all do to with a guy with an AK-47 Assault Rifle...so why was it even mentioned? I also wonder, given the abysmal ignorance of the average news reporter, if the gun was really an AK-47, or whether it was the semi-auto civilian version, or even some other weapon entirely. I also wonder how they are going to justify arresting a guy for "keeping and bearing" arms given what the 2nd and 14th amendments say and have been interpreted by the courts as meaning? I'm sure they have some sort of law on the books...maybe this will let it get removed? We'll see, but I doubt it. I know of a guy in Texas who, back in the 90s, would do exactly what this guy was doing: riding his bike with a "military style" semi-auto rifle slung over his shoulder (H&K in his case). The guy didn't have any transport other than his bike, and he had to get the rifle to the range somehow. He always carried papers with him to prove ownership, identify himself, and to show that the gun wasn't full-auto, and once the police had determined that the gun was legally owned, and the owner had no wants or warrants...or even a criminal history, they let him go on to the range. So we've now gone from "your papers please!" to "you are under arrest" for exercising Constitutionally protected rights. What's next? Arresting people for trying to vote? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:09:46 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:49:45 -0400 To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: A solution to cagers who don't see you? At 02:17 PM 9/15/04 -0400, bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > >Really, where do people come up with this crap? > >http://www.crap.com/ > >Sorry, couldn't resist :) And if the person in question feels hurt because you referred to his ideas as crap, he can check out this site: http://www.nobodylikesme.com/ I checked it out when I heard it referenced on a stupid car commercial that suggested that if nobody likes you, they wouldn't either and you should go to www.nobodylikesme.com. I wasn't *too* surprised to find that it was a real site... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:09:46 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:01:22 -0400 To: "John Yang" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: A solution to cagers who don't see you? At 02:34 PM 9/15/04 -0400, John Yang wrote: >In Virginia, you can carry holstered firearms out in the open. You >cannot do that in DC or Maryland (at least that is my understanding). In Maryland you can do what you like on your own property as far as carrying firearms, concealed or otherwise. You can't discharge them in many places, except where there's a threat to life or limb if you don't. On public land you can carry a firearm provided that it is unloaded and not immediately accessible (for car transport, this usually means in the trunk, not the glove box)...AND if you are traveling: a) to or from a place of purchase or repair (i.e. a gun store) b) to or from a place of formal or informal practice (i.e. a range). If you want to carry it anywhere else, or in a loaded condition, you need a carry permit. You probably can't get a carry permit. come to the People's Republic of Maryland. >cab with you. Also lets you transport a gun on a motorcycle, since >there's no trunk (or other locked, inaccessable area on a motorcycle) >there either. Maybe not on your bike...mine has two locked areas, one on either side at the back. Some bikes have three...same as mine, and another over the rear fender at the back. Others may have even more (seat locks?). >For me, it's legal CYA for the many transport laws. Yeah. Too bad they don't have that here in MD, and that there's no reciprocity or national law that covers interstate transport and carry. There are attempts in progress to fix this, but they need more support. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:09:50 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:42:47 -0400 To: Eric Geary , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? At 02:03 PM 9/15/04 -0400, Eric Geary wrote: >it is not legal in Va to brandish a firearm unless you have a] Carrying it slung is NOT "brandishing" it: brandish verb {T} to wave something in the air in a threatening or excited way: - She brandished a saucepan at me so I ran out of the kitchen. The legal references I found used a similar definition. The key requirement there seems to be the threat. A slung rifle is not all that threatening. Now if he'd been pointing it at people, that would be different. >concealed wepon permit and from my understanding you cant jsut wear it >out where every1 can see it A concealed carry permit generally requires that the weapon be kept concealed, unless it is needed for a legally allowed purpose. You usually don't need a concealed carry permit to carry a weapon openly. Where you are allowed by current law to carry a weapon, either openly or concealed, varies by state and even by locality. With rare exceptions (like court rooms perhaps), I don't see how most such laws can be seen as Constitutional. >or you can be arrested for public disturbance or whatever If the public is disturbed it should seek treatment. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:09:51 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:54:12 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? At 02:32 PM 9/15/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >From: Troutman >In VA: It is legal to carry a firearm openly. It is not legal to brandish >a firearm (raise threateningly, show to intimidate) ever. > >Ever? Even if an assailant wishes to inflict bodily harm? I thought that was the rationale behind concealed carry. It is, and I'm fairly sure that in cases where it's legal to use deadly force against a person, it is also legal to threaten to use deadly force...i.e. "brandish a gun"...at that same person as a final attempt to avoid having to use the deadly force. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:09:52 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:45:41 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? At 01:13 PM 9/15/04 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote: >And, in Virginia, you CAN "jsut wear it out where every1 can see" - >and no, they can't charge you with causing a public disturbance for >slinging a rifle across your back. > >Really, where do people come up with this crap? The Washington Post? NBC, CBS, ABC? AP? NPR? Just about all of the national news media, and one of our local papers are full of misinformation on firearms. If you don't make the effort to check up on them, you never know. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:09:59 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:09:34 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , lister lynch , Dave Yates From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:31 PM 9/15/04 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Why are we talking about guns???? Because a guy was arrested for riding a bike while carrying one. Some other folks got off on how they carry them on their bikes, still others didn't know what "brandishing" meant...and so on. Try to keep up, eh? >That restaurant still has the right (as it should) to >refuse customers with guns. Can they refuse people with helmets or leather coats too? How about short people? Women? What reasons are legal and which aren't for refusing to serve someone when you are "open to the public" and not a private club? Hard Times Cafe in Germantown won't serve anyone with a do-rag on. Now *that's* pretty weird... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:25:21 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:25:16 -0400 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: Paul Wilson , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 02:32 PM 9/15/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: > >From: Troutman > > >In VA: It is legal to carry a firearm openly. It is not legal to brandish > >a firearm (raise threateningly, show to intimidate) ever. > > > >Ever? Even if an assailant wishes to inflict bodily harm? I thought that > was the rationale behind concealed carry. > > It is, and I'm fairly sure that in cases where it's legal to use deadly > force against a person, it is also legal to threaten to use deadly > force...i.e. "brandish a gun"...at that same person as a final attempt to > avoid having to use the deadly force. I believe that you are mistaken about that last part. from the folks that I know, you may not use the threat of dealy force as a means to end an altercation. if you pull it, you'd better use it... or else you didn't need to pull it. additionally, if you use it, shoot the attacker until the gun is empty, because you were in fear for your life. slapping in another clip is usually not necessary ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:35:10 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:34:56 -0400 To: Skip From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Cc: Paul Wilson , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:25 PM 9/15/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > >I believe that you are mistaken about that last part. from the folks >that I know, you may not use the threat of dealy force as a means to end >an altercation. if you pull it, you'd better use it... or else you >didn't need to pull it. If the law says that, then the law is certainly an ass. That's pretty faulty logic...and completely overlooks the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle idea. I'm being attacked. It's a serious attack, and if I don't stop it, I'll be seriously injured or killed. I've tried all other available methods of halting the attack, and none have worked. I am now justified in use of deadly force to end the attack. I pull the gun and aim it...but when the attacker sees the gun he breaks off the attack and runs away. I'm no longer under attack, and so am no longer justified in using deadly force...but the people you've talked to say that I'm now in trouble for NOT shooting anyway. This seems...wrong. If that is a correct interpretation of the law, the law needs amendment right away. >additionally, if you use it, shoot the attacker until the gun is empty, >because you were in fear for your life. slapping in another clip is >usually not necessary ;-) My understanding is that once the attack has ended, for whatever reason, you are no longer justified in using deadly force. Continuing to shoot at that point would get you into pretty hot legal water...unless you are a DC or NYC cop I guess. I suspect that your friends are funnin' you about that. You don't have to be in a mindless panic to use deadly force...and I'd kind of prefer that those who are prone to that sort of thing NOT possess firearms. Voluntarily of course. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:37:49 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Hurricane Bartman To: DC Cycles Wow, I got home to see 10 emails from Mikely. None related to motorcycles. What a shock! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 18:45:03 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:44:53 -0400 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: Paul Wilson , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 06:25 PM 9/15/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > > > >I believe that you are mistaken about that last part. from the folks > >that I know, you may not use the threat of dealy force as a means to end > >an altercation. if you pull it, you'd better use it... or else you > >didn't need to pull it. > > If the law says that, then the law is certainly an ass. That's pretty > faulty logic...and completely overlooks the Heisenburg Uncertainty > Principle idea. > > I'm being attacked. It's a serious attack, and if I don't stop it, I'll be > seriously injured or killed. I've tried all other available methods of > halting the attack, and none have worked. I am now justified in use of > deadly force to end the attack. I pull the gun and aim it...but when the > attacker sees the gun he breaks off the attack and runs away. I'm no > longer under attack, and so am no longer justified in using deadly > force...but the people you've talked to say that I'm now in trouble for NOT > shooting anyway. This seems...wrong. If that is a correct interpretation > of the law, the law needs amendment right away. understood. they did say that if the situation changes and you no longer need to use deadly force, that's ok, however, you may not brandish with weapon with the intent of stopping the altercation. > >additionally, if you use it, shoot the attacker until the gun is empty, > >because you were in fear for your life. slapping in another clip is > >usually not necessary ;-) > > My understanding is that once the attack has ended, for whatever reason, > you are no longer justified in using deadly force. Continuing to shoot at > that point would get you into pretty hot legal water...unless you are a DC > or NYC cop I guess. > > I suspect that your friends are funnin' you about that. You don't have to > be in a mindless panic to use deadly force...and I'd kind of prefer that > those who are prone to that sort of thing NOT possess firearms. > Voluntarily of course. I know what you're saying; however, most cases of self defense where the attacker is only wounded usually result in charges against the defender. the reality is that if you need to use deadly force you need to be in mortal fear. if you are in mortal fear, you will most likeyl not be thinking cooly, clearly, and rationally. a double-tap to the head is a little too cool for the -average citizen-. emptying 15 rounds into someone is something the average citizen would do in a situation where they felt mortal fear. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 21:42:13 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Skip , Mike Bartman Cc: Paul Wilson , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:42:36 -0400 After personally knowing two people who has been car jacked at gun point in DC it's pretty apparent to me that you don't need a permit to carry a gun no matter what law's they pass or sunset. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 21:52:24 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "David Blumgart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now with actual motorcycle content Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:52:48 -0400 The 98+ VFR's are FI. I don't think they handle much better or have much more power. I like the looks of the 94-97 vintage (which I own). I think it's a matter of personal asthetics and the reliability of a newer machine versus an older machine. If the bike has been well cared for I think you can be super happy with a 96 VFR 750. Regards Rob On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:38:59 -0500, David Blumgart wrote > I'm considering a '96 VFR750 advertised on CL. What are the > substantial differences between one of that vintage and a new or > newer 800? > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 22:18:33 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:00:05 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Hurricane Bartman At 03:37 PM 9/15/04 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Wow, I got home to see 10 emails from Mikely. None >related to motorcycles. What a shock! So you just decided you had to post a personal attack that isn't related to motorcycles either? What a shock! You can go fuck yourself at any time you like. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 22:22:30 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:21:46 -0400 To: Skip From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: A solution to cagers who don't see you? Cc: Paul Wilson , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:44 PM 9/15/04 -0400, Skip wrote: >understood. they did say that if the situation changes and you no >longer need to use deadly force, that's ok, however, you may not >brandish with weapon with the intent of stopping the altercation. Ok, that makes a *little* more sense. Not completely sensible, but a bit more sense. >> I suspect that your friends are funnin' you about that. You don't have to >> be in a mindless panic to use deadly force...and I'd kind of prefer that >I know what you're saying; however, most cases of self defense where the >attacker is only wounded usually result in charges against the >defender. Civil charges, probably. Criminal charges? That will depend on the exact situation, who the DA is and what the local laws are. I suspect that the idea here is that if there's only one story, it's easier to get off...but there will always be another story from the evidence at the scene. >the reality is that if you need to use deadly force you need >to be in mortal fear. if you are in mortal fear, you will most likeyl >not be thinking cooly, clearly, and rationally. Speak for yourself. "Mortal fear" means that you are worried that if you don't do something, you will die or be seriously injured (usually interpreted as some sort of maiming). It doesn't mean that you are terrified or in a state of panic...though that's certainly an option. I find that potentially deadly situations tend to result in sudden calmness and extreme clarity for me. YMMV, and there's no guarantee that I'll always react that way, but that's been my experience so far. >a double-tap to the >head is a little too cool for the -average citizen-. Being able to find the trigger is a little too cool for the *average citizen*. The average citizen knows little or nothing about guns to start with, and most have never spent much time at a range. If I was expecting to be in a situation where I'd need one to defend myself (like if I carried one at all) I'd be at the range *at least* once a month, and I'd practice that "double-tap" technique...though to the center of mass, not the head. Head shots are for the movies. If you have to think about handling the gun, you aren't safe with it in a "Real Life" situation. It's the same as riding a bike...practice until operating the bike is automatic, leaving your conscious brain to worry about higher level things, like traffic, obstacles, weather, navigation, etc., or in the case of the gun, if and when to fire it, and if so, at whom. If you are still having to think about clutch/throttle and shifting, or fumbling for the brake levers with hand or foot, you shouldn't be out in traffic yet. Same rule goes for the gun...if you can't aim and shoot it without thinking overmuch about the mechanics of doing that, you need more range time before you rely on it for protection. Given that, there's no reason why someone should be emptying a gun into an attacker who's already gone down...unless they are panicked and not thinking, in which case I'll say it again: If they are the sort that's prone to that sort of reaction, I'd hope they would decide not to get a gun in the first place. I don't want panic stricken and unthinking people using guns any more than I want them on the roads in vehicles. >emptying 15 rounds >into someone is something the average citizen would do in a situation >where they felt mortal fear. I really hope you are wrong about that. Given how seldom something like that happens, I'm fairly sure you are, but if you've got data, I'm happy to see it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 23:08:10 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Hurricane Bartman To: DC Cycles Loosen up Mike, it was just a joke. Sorry you had to resort to profanity. --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:37 PM 9/15/04 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Wow, I got home to see 10 emails from Mikely. > None > >related to motorcycles. What a shock! > > So you just decided you had to post a personal > attack that isn't related to > motorcycles either? What a shock! You can go fuck > yourself at any time > you like. > > > > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI > for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > is better. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 23:28:31 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Hurricane Bartman Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:28:55 -0400 Thats a category 2 storm. Legend: Category 1 = 0-6 non-moto emails in a 6 hour period Category 2 = 7-12 non-moto emails in a 6 hour period Category 3 = 13-18 non-moto emails in a 6 hour period Category 4 = 19-24 non-moto emails in a 6 hour period Category 5 = 25+ non-moto emails in a 6 hour period :-p Rob On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:37:41 -0700 (PDT), Mark Kitchell wrote > Wow, I got home to see 10 emails from Mikely. None > related to motorcycles. What a shock! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 23:31:10 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Hurricane Bartman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:37 PM 9/15/04 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Wow, I got home to see 10 emails from Mikely. None > >related to motorcycles. What a shock! > > So you just decided you had to post a personal attack that isn't related to > motorcycles either? Where's the "personal attack" part? > What a shock! You can go fuck yourself at any time > you like. Oh, there it is. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 15 23:51:25 2004 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/15/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Julian Halton" I will definitely be doing more touring. Apart from some soreness and being too cold in the Adirondacks, everything went smoothly. I have never been out West so my big plan is to take a bike and head cross country. I would think I would need three weeks to a month as I want to stop in a lot of places ============== Julian, I did this three years ago and, like Penguin, am glad all the time I did so. I may do it again next summer, if I can. For a bonus, this year's Laguna Seca races (2nd weekend in July) will feature Moto-GP! Here's a cool link for Caifornia roads: http://www.pashnit.com/index.htm One of my faves was Rte 299 which goes through the Trinity Alps from Redding to the coast. It's like 250 in WV but 200 or so miles long and with better pavement. ============== From: "David Blumgart" I'm considering a '96 VFR750 advertised on CL. What are the substantial differences between one of that vintage and a new or newer 800? ============== Dave, Like Troutman suggested, it's the prettier one :) Not much to add to what Paul said, except I also think the quality of various components was superiour in 94-07 (all the exact same btw), i.e. the master cylinders, and the casting of the wheels. Plus, those ABS brakes make it impossible to do the VF cool stainless steel rear brake line through the swingarm mod thus eliminating that ugly chain guard (like I did ;) Here's another cool link: http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/index.shtml JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F (64,700 miles since 02/99) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 00:00:39 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:05:37 -0400 Subject: free 4-2 exhaust for honda cb750 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" No-name aftermkt exhaust from a 1979 cb750 custom. Crappy, but better than nothing, and the price is right. NWDC. --garcia "War is Peace" Bush-Orwell Election Committee From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 00:57:11 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:55:10 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Hurricane Bartman At 08:03 PM 9/15/04 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Loosen up Mike, it was just a joke. Sorry you had to >resort to profanity. I don't worship sex, so that wasn't profane. Just a heartfelt suggestion. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 00:57:19 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:56:42 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Hurricane Bartman At 08:31 PM 9/15/04 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> At 03:37 PM 9/15/04 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >> >Wow, I got home to see 10 emails from Mikely. None >> >related to motorcycles. What a shock! >> >> So you just decided you had to post a personal attack that isn't related to >> motorcycles either? > >Where's the "personal attack" part? Maybe you have to understand the relationship involved, which is based on past history here. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 01:23:35 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:23:32 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hurricane Bartman On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:56:42 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> So you just decided you had to post a personal attack that isn't related to > >> motorcycles either? The only person on this list who can match Kitchell in exceedingly dramatic posts you, Mike. (Note, Mark's post failed to contain a single element that even remotely resembled an "attack" - he merely made note of today's events in an unsurprisingly snide way.) How about the BOTH of you take your irksome caterwauling off list? - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 03:44:21 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bluetooth MC helmet Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:36:08 -0400 Check this out... News release from Motorola: http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,4666_3990_23,00.html Perry _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 04:11:45 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: One mile at a time Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:40:10 -0400 Julian, Get an electric vest (at least). You will wonder how you ever got along without one. You can also go with a full electric jacket, electric chaps, gloves, etc. But even just the vest, close to the skin, under the normal layers does wonders for extending your comfort zone. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Tom Gimer" , >Subject: RE: One mile at a time >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:12:39 -0400 > > [snip] > >I will definitely be doing more touring. Apart from some soreness and >being too cold in the Adirondacks, everything went smoothly. I have never >been out West so my big plan is to take a bike and head cross country. I >would think I would need three weeks to a month as I want to stop in a lot >of places. > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 06:33:17 2004 From: Laurie Holland To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 99 CBR F4 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:33:30 -0400 1999 Honda F4 Yellow/Black color with matching yellow wheels 13K miles Female owned, oil changed every 2K miles or 3 months. This bike has a Hindle slip-on, Second Look matching tank bra and seat cover (seat cover not installed), Zero Gravity double bubble smoke windscreen, Intuitive frame sliders (black). New brake pads on front, VA inspection in July, Sporttec M1's may need to be replaced next year but have plenty of tread left. Bike comes with Honda repair manual, stock windscreen and stock exhaust. This bike is in good condition, it has been dropped at a standstill on the right side, and a 5 mph lowside on the left in a parking lot b/c I was first learning how to ride and my feet barely touched the ground so there are some minor cracks, but you can't tell from 5 feet. The front rotors were resurfaced last winter by Frame Straight Systems but they still have a slight vibration when braking hard. Clear title in hand. $4000/OBO Contact me for pictures and questions -Laurie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 08:28:18 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: FS 99 CBR F4 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:28:09 -0400 and that makes a difference.....how? ----- Laurie Holland is selling her 99 CBR F4----- > Female owned ------------------------- just kidding. Best wishes for a quick sale. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 08:28:18 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: One mile at a time Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:24:18 -0400 I am still kicking myself for over a decade of toughing it out, layering & still freezing, etc. Full electrics are the way to go. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" > Julian, > > Get an electric vest (at least). You will wonder how you ever got along > without one. You can also go with a full electric jacket, electric chaps, > gloves, etc. But even just the vest, close to the skin, under the normal > layers does wonders for extending your comfort zone. > > Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 08:32:12 2004 From: Laurie Holland To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FS 99 CBR F4 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:32:29 -0400 uhh...it makes a difference b/c i never beat up on the bike? 0:-) -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang and that makes a difference.....how? ----- Laurie Holland is selling her 99 CBR F4----- > Female owned ------------------------- just kidding. Best wishes for a quick sale. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 09:35:43 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:35:24 EDT Subject: Re: One mile at a time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/16/2004 4:12:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > But even just the vest, close to the skin, under the normal > layers does wonders for extending your comfort zone. And lets not forget it packs small (compared to the layers it replaces.) Damn important when traveling by bike. John (Who just went electric last year after freezing for 30+) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 10:43:32 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:40:05 -0400 To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bluetooth MC helmet At 11:36 PM 9/15/04 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote: >Check this out... > >News release from Motorola: > >http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,4666_3990_23,00.html Great. Now bikers can yack and get distracted while on the road, just like SUV drivers... Bluetooth has its dangers BTW. The other night the folks from The Screen Savers show went to a hackers convention in Las Vegas. One of the things shown there was a "Bluetooth Sniper Rifle"...a highly directional antenna that can allow interfacing with Bluetooth-enabled devices from a mile away, rather than the 25-50' that you are normally limited to. They were picking up conversations, downloading phonebooks, etc. by "shooting" out the hotel window. The antenna was made with off the shelf parts in in just a few minutes. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 10:48:16 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Now with actual motorcycle content To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You forgot a couple other things... The 98 has better stopping distance, a stronger chassis and swingarm and has a more standard rear tire size (180/55-17). --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Pre-98 > > Carbureted > Standard brakes > > > 98-01 > > EFI > Linked brakes > A tad more displacement > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Blumgart > Sent: Sep 15, 2004 3:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Now with actual motorcycle content > > I'm considering a '96 VFR750 advertised on CL. What > are the substantial differences between one of that > vintage and a new or newer 800? > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 11:02:38 2004 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:02:26 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:40 AM > > Great. Now bikers can yack and get distracted while on the > road, just like SUV drivers... I agree with you, but... I'd rather see riders using this helmet versus what I saw a few weeks ago while riding home. I'm on 28 North waiting to make a left onto Waxpool and I see a guy on a cruiser talking on his cell phone. The light turns green, so both left turn lanes start to move. He then props the phone against his left shoulder and crawls through the turn (somehow I don't think looking right is very useful when making a left turn). He straightens the bike and then proceeds to crawl at about 25mph, holding up all traffic behind him. Fortunately, I had the opportunity to scoot around him. It's bad enough when cagers do this, but c'mon...riders as well? I guess the threat of getting hit by the many distracted drivers around him doesn't concern him. It sure scares the hell out of me. Wes Hsu '01 R1100S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 11:26:43 2004 Subject: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:26:43 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > I agree with you, but... I'd rather see riders using this > helmet versus what I saw a few weeks ago while riding home. This is essentially no different than using a Chatterbox or 'Oldwing CB/Bike to bike radio. Hella safer than trying to handle a cell without the helmet. Having been a previous Chatterbox user, I'd say that it wouldn't be real useful for anything other than a real short conversation along the lines "I'm on the bike, will be there in half an hour. Goodbye." Wind noise would suck, regardless of the mic. Add to that the quality loss introduced by using bluetooth (which is significantly lower quality than using the regular phone mic or a wired connection) and you have a pretty noisy signal. Personally, I use earplugs, so I'm not sure how useful a setup would be like this for me anyway (which is also why my chatterbox is now sitting on a shelf gathering dust). Finally, it looks like they're only going to be making a 3/4 model (not full face), so wind noise in the ears would make it even less useful unless you've got a huge honkin' windshield and are doing only 30 MPH. Still... Being the techno-junkie I am, I think it's cool to see bluetooth actually getting some decent usage in real products. :) > I'm on 28 North waiting to make a left onto Waxpool and I see > a guy on a cruiser talking on his cell phone. > The light turns green, so both left turn lanes start to move. > He then props the phone against his left shoulder and crawls > through the turn (somehow I don't think looking right is very > useful when making a left turn). He straightens the bike and > then proceeds to crawl at about 25mph, holding up all traffic > behind him. That's just assinine. I've only taken a call once on my bike and it was an immediate pullover and I used the speakerphone so I didn't have to yank the helmet (was a call from a hospital for a friend who had just gone in). That kind of technology is useful, but it's got it's place... Which is not on my bike while moving. :P --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 11:41:55 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:41:51 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: Re: [SABMAG] Discouraging Tailgaters?] from the other list... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [SABMAG] Discouraging Tailgaters? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:04:17 -0700 From: Harry Davis Reply-To: gidgaf@XXXXXX To: SABMAG@XXXXXX Hi! I was the guy with a "skunker" a decade or so ago. I was a bike courier in LA, CA, and I got REALLY tired of *ssholes trying to violate the laws of physics in my vicinity. My contraption was a lawnmower gas can, filled with a 50/50 mixture of cheap perfume and strained liquid fish fertilizer. This ran thru aquarium airline tubing to a windshield washer pump, and then out to just above the license plate. You couldn't see it. It could shoot @ 10 to 15 feet, and it was aimed straight back- radiator level. Now in the old days (when I was young(er)) I'd kick a door, or remove a mirror. It made me feel better, but as explained to me in great detail by a sympathetic LEO, it also made a big negative impression on the other BDCs who witnessed my actions. Hmm ... So I thought about it. BDC *sshole would mess with me, go home, and point to the dent or missing mirror. "Sorry honey, some biker did it!" He'd get a lot of sympathy from the missus. But what if he came home smelling like old fish and nasty perfume? Eh? It was kewl. Look in the mirror, hit the button. Tick, tick, tick. Drivers eyes would widen, then his mouth would open. The fumes would have filled the interior and boggled his bean. As soon as I saw the whites of his eyes, I'd nail the throttle WFO whilst he nailed his brakes. Almost like Star Wars - Zoom! And I *know* there was no sympathy when he got home this time. What's he going to say? "Sorry honey, some biker did it!"? Yeah right. hehehe Next time it rained, he'd remember. So would she. hehehe I'm old(er) now, and just don't do those things. Anymore. I DO carry a couple spark plugs, and a small pepper- spray can. And a camera. Just in case. Harry "GIDGAF"; DOD#433, still l00king for an Amazona When they wanted the government off the backs of the people, we were NOT the people they were talking about. Looking forward to more stasi, bread and circuses ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 13:26:28 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:25:17 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bluetooth MC helmet On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Bluetooth has its dangers BTW. The other night the folks from The Screen > Savers show went to a hackers convention in Las Vegas. One of the things > shown there was a "Bluetooth Sniper Rifle"...a highly directional antenna > that can allow interfacing with Bluetooth-enabled devices from a mile away, > rather than the 25-50' that you are normally limited to. They were picking > up conversations, downloading phonebooks, etc. by "shooting" out the hotel > window. The antenna was made with off the shelf parts in in just a few > minutes. There are certain bluetooth devices that suffer from a flaw that allows them to be compromised. This doesn't affect every bluetooth device. http://www.thebunker.net/release-bluestumbler.htm Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 13:51:26 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Hurricane Bartman To: Mike Bartman , Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:37 PM 9/15/04 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Wow, I got home to see 10 emails from Mikely. None > >related to motorcycles. What a shock! > > So you just decided you had to post a personal attack > that isn't related to > motorcycles either? What a shock! You can go fuck > yourself at any time > you like. this list has actually been an enjoyable read in your absence, mike. where were you and who were your boring the hell out of? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 14:38:29 2004 Subject: Non moto content- Fighting back against adware, viruses etc.. Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:38:22 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" I am a techie with eight years of experience...(this means little as I am not a hard core dude that thinks in code). I find myself increasingly spending my time on virus, adware and spybot search and destroy missions. I am tired of manually sifting through my registry. I am tired of phantom directories and files that I cannot delete. I am running the latest version of Virus Scan I do have the free versions of Spy Hunter, Scan Spywhere and Spybot Search and Destroy Any recommendations on prevention here? Do you all have routers for your home connections and firewall software? If so recommendations are appreciated. For the others on the list, I think this is relevant because my questions may help save you from hours of misery. Sincerely frustrated From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 14:48:46 2004 To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Non moto content- Fighting back against adware, viruses etc.. Content-ID: <13703.1095360522.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:48:42 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >... For the others on the list, I think this is relevant because >my questions may help save you from hours of misery. This is an inaccurate description of "relevance" for a mailing list. I'm sure that the members of this list have a wide variety of sources of misery, but only the ones pertinent to motorcycling are fair game for this list. Please limit responses to the original poster, and not to the list. Lest anyone conclude otherwise, this applies equally to discourse on gun laws or any other non-motorcycling topic, and also the annoying little bitch-slapping jabs we seem to be unable to avoid sending to each other with the whole list in tow. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 14:49:48 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:48:29 -0400 To: "Wesleyan Hsu" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet At 11:02 AM 9/16/04 -0400, Wesleyan Hsu wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:40 AM >> >> Great. Now bikers can yack and get distracted while on the >> road, just like SUV drivers... > >I agree with you, but... I'd rather see riders using this helmet versus what >I saw a few weeks ago while riding home. I'm on 28 North waiting to make a That's just nuts. Did you notice if the guy had any pants on? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 15:08:20 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Non moto content- Fighting back against adware, viruses etc.. Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:08:10 -0400 Juian, First off, this isn't really an appropriate topic here. However, since it is hanging out there, I would suggest a personal firewall, at least. Which one, or which service? You're on your own... That, in conjunction with good AV and maybe some spyware software (all kept up to date) should cover you pretty well. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: Non moto content- Fighting back against adware, viruses etc.. >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:38:22 -0400 > > >I am a techie with eight years of experience...(this means little as I >am not a hard core dude that thinks in code). >I find myself increasingly spending my time on virus, adware and spybot >search and destroy missions. >I am tired of manually sifting through my registry. >I am tired of phantom directories and files that I cannot delete. > > >I am running the latest version of Virus Scan >I do have the free versions of Spy Hunter, Scan Spywhere and Spybot >Search and Destroy > > >Any recommendations on prevention here? Do you all have routers for >your home connections and firewall software? >If so recommendations are appreciated. For the others on the list, I >think this is relevant because my questions may help save you from hours >of misery. > >Sincerely frustrated > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 15:12:40 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:12:14 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Non moto content- Fighting back against adware, viruses etc.. At 02:38 PM 9/16/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >Any recommendations on prevention here? Run OpenVMS? If not that, Linux? Or Mac OSX? Ok, if you *have* to run Windoze: 1. turn off ActiveX in your browser. It's one of the more common ways to install spyware on your system, and you don't need it with any decent web site. 2. Set the security level of IE to "HIGH" unless you know you are dealing with a good site, in which case "MEDIUM" is probably ok. This will eliminate a lot of "pop under" ads as well as making it harder to exploit your system through the browser. Better yet, don't run IE. Firefox isn't quite as vulnerable, is free, and can be on the system along with IE, so you can keep IE around to run Windows Update. 3. Get a firewall (ZoneAlarm is pretty good, and there's a free version of it. The pay version isn't very expensive and comes with extra features, but the free one isn't bad at all). 4. Keep your system updated with the latest patches. If you aren't checking for them at least once a week, you need to. 5. Go through the option settings in your browser, and turn off anything that even looks like it might be useful to attack your system. You can always make a given site a "trusted" site, with less restriction, if you need to and if you trust them. 6. Never click on attachments in e-mail, not even if it's from a friend (unless you've verified that the friend sent it by some other channel...and even then only if you trust the friend's abilities with a computer...and never run Outlook or Outlook Express (Lookout Distress). The older and less capable your e-mail reader the less likely it is to have a security flaw that can be exploited (HTML capable readers are real problematic there, and the more capable, the more problematic). >Do you all have routers for >your home connections and firewall software? All? Probably not. I do though, and I doubt I'm alone in that. >If so recommendations are appreciated. For the others on the list, I >think this is relevant because my questions may help save you from hours >of misery. Could also help save the list from that too, if someone gets infected with one of those "send repeatedly to every address in the phonebook" viruses. >Sincerely frustrated You are not alone. M$ sells a lot of software... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 15:18:59 2004 Subject: Kawasaki ZX-10R Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:18:56 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Anyone on the list tried out the new Zx-10R? Comments? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 15:22:14 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:21:47 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Julian Halton CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non moto content- Fighting back against adware, viruses etc.. Julian Halton wrote: > Any recommendations on prevention here? Do you all have routers for > your home connections and firewall software? Repeat this mantra: "Do not use Microsoft Products". And I don't mean the OS ... Well, actually, I do ... but I know most people need windows for one reason or another (I use it for playing games and one piece of graphics software). Switching to Mozilla for web browsing and email will go a long way to reducing your misery. I've owned this laptop I'm typing on for 9 months now. It runs Windows XP. I have yet to get a single virus/trojan/whatever on it. I don't use MSIE (internet explorer) or outlook express. And yes, if you have a broadband connection, you really should spend the $50 and get a consumer router which will have a firewall built into it. Software firewalls running on a proven unsecure operating system isn't a great idea IMHO - they are easily disabled. - Roach > If so recommendations are appreciated. For the others on the list, I > think this is relevant because my questions may help save you from hours > of misery. > > Sincerely frustrated > -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 17:11:47 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > Having been a previous Chatterbox user, > I'd say that it > wouldn't be real useful for anything other than a > real short > conversation along the lines "I'm on the bike, will > be there in half an > hour. Goodbye." Wind noise would suck, regardless > of the mic. Another previous Chatterbox user. If the Bluetooth has no better quality than the Chatterbox, conversations will be limited. I'm currently using an Autocomm system for intercom and cell phone. It is much better than any of the previous systems (J&M, NADY, Kennedy and a couple others) I've used. On a stock ZX6 with my daughter on the back, we could call Mom on the cell phone and carry on a good 3-way conversation at Interstate speeds. I will agree that I didn't say much, mostly because I was busy piloting the bike, but the VOX didn't have my mic turned on unless I said something. Send me a reply with your phone number and I'll give you a call from the I-95 HOV lanes between 7 and 7:30 PM tonight if you want to hear it. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider. Leon Begeman _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 17:30:41 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Moto-raffle Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:30:09 -0400 Did anyone catch that story on NBC4 about the nuns getting the donation of a 2001 Harley Davidson? The Little Sisters of the Poor are raffling it off to help their mission of caring for the elderly; tickets are $20.00 each. You can still get them at their location of 4200 Harewood Rd NE or call them at 202 269-1831. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 20:21:48 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:21:39 -0400 Subject: Seeking to borrow a 60's motorcycle From: Randy Moran To: DC Cycles I know it's a long shot, but does anyone have a roadworthy (and road legal) 60's bike they'd be willing to lend me for a day? I have an '03 RC51 to swap for the period in question, which is from 12 Noon to 6PM this coming Sunday (weather permitting). I would be riding it sedately from Aldie to Washington VA to Middleburg and back to Aldie. Email me off list if you are willing. Thanks! Randy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 20:33:21 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:33:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/16/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Julian Halton" Any recommendations on prevention here? Do you all have routers for your home connections and firewall software? If so recommendations are appreciated. For the others on the list, I think this is relevant because my questions may help save you from hours of misery. Sincerely frustrated ============ Like other mentioned, don't use IE. I use avant-browser (freeware). excellent pop-up protection - I never see them! Nice specific browser options too. W-a-y more comprehensive than IE. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 20:35:18 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Leon Begeman wrote: > --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > wrote: > > Having been a previous Chatterbox user, > > I'd say that it > > wouldn't be real useful for anything other than a > > real short > > conversation along the lines "I'm on the bike, will > > be there in half an > > hour. Goodbye." Wind noise would suck, regardless > > of the mic. > > Another previous Chatterbox user. If the Bluetooth > has no better quality than the Chatterbox, > conversations will be limited. > > I'm currently using an Autocomm system for intercom > and cell phone. It is much better than any of the > previous systems (J&M, NADY, Kennedy and a couple > others) I've used. I have the Autocomm system and have taken calls from quite a few people. While on the 'busa on my Iron Butt 1000 mile ride, I took 5 calls from people who wanted to buy the old GSXR and three from headhunters looking to place me at a job. The first thing I told them was that I was on a bike. Fortunately I was on the interstate in Kansas for most of the calls so it was just a long, lonely stretch of highway :-) > > On a stock ZX6 with my daughter on the back, we could > call Mom on the cell phone and carry on a good 3-way > conversation at Interstate speeds. I will agree that > I didn't say much, mostly because I was busy piloting > the bike, but the VOX didn't have my mic turned on > unless I said something. > > Send me a reply with your phone number and I'll give > you a call from the I-95 HOV lanes between 7 and 7:30 > PM tonight if you want to hear it. > > Leon Begeman > Ninja 250 rider. Hey Leon, I picked up a Craftsman Air Compressor and Mig Wire Feed Welder from pawn shops on Tuesday. Once I get the manuals, I'll be practicing welding so I can finish the fricking frame :-) Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 23:12:16 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:12:04 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet At 05:34 PM 9/16/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Hey Leon, I picked up a Craftsman Air Compressor and Mig Wire Feed Welder >from pawn shops on Tuesday. Once I get the manuals, I'll be practicing >welding so I can finish the fricking frame :-) Who made the welder? If it was one of the majors, Lincoln, Hobart, etc., you might try their web sites. The manuals might be online and downloadable. If it was made in Taiwan or whatever, good luck! Does the welder handle gas, or is it only for flux core wire? Have you welded before, or are you just learning like me? I've been concentrating on OAW, so I've only picked up a few things about MIG, TIG and stick welding so far in passing. I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences with it. Off list if you aren't welding on a bike. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 16 23:48:57 2004 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: welding machines (was: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:34 PM 9/16/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > >Hey Leon, I picked up a Craftsman Air Compressor and Mig Wire Feed > Welder > >from pawn shops on Tuesday. Once I get the manuals, I'll be practicing > >welding so I can finish the fricking frame :-) > > Who made the welder? If it was one of the majors, Lincoln, Hobart, > etc., > you might try their web sites. The manuals might be online and > downloadable. If it was made in Taiwan or whatever, good luck! Sears Craftsman. As to who the main manufacturer is I don't know. Any place I can check. Pics of it are at my _new_ chopper site: http://www.schelin.org/touring/chopper/index.html (it'll change to hobgoblinconsulting but that's only until I get the web site configuration corrected). I went to the sears parts web site www3.sears.com and placed an order for both manuals. They should be here in a few days. > > Does the welder handle gas, or is it only for flux core wire? Both. It's configured for gas right now but there's no canister. That's why I'm waiting on the manual. > Have you > welded before, or are you just learning like me? Not a bit. I watched Kevin do it a couple of times and have read the Welders Handbook that was at Home Depot. It doesn't seem to be all that hard, just practice, practice, practice. And since I'm just trying to finish up the welding on my bike frame (bike content!), I don't think I need to be really high up there, technique wise, at the moment. > > I've been concentrating on OAW, so I've only picked up a few things > about > MIG, TIG and stick welding so far in passing. I'd be interested in > hearing > about your experiences with it. Off list if you aren't welding on a > bike. Hey, it's all about bike welding and cutting and grinding which is why I got the compressor (well, and air for the car, bike and bicycle tires among other things; 125psi is a lot of reserve air. I'm down to 80psi and have been playing with the cutoff wheel :-) > ;-) > > > -- Mike B. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 07:52:16 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Kryptonite Locks Easily Pic'd To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This sux, I understand the same goes for the disc locks we all use too. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=11&u=/ap/20040916/ap_on_re_us/picking_bike_locks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 08:21:12 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:20:10 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kryptonite Locks Easily Pic'd On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Glenn Dysart wrote: > This sux, I understand the same goes for the disc > locks we all use too. > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=11&u=/ap/20040916/ap_on_re_us/picking_bike_locks " "We are accelerating the delivery of the new disc cylinder locks and we will communicate directly with our distributors, dealers and consumers within the coming days. The world just got tougher and so did our locks," the statement said." The world got tougher? Its a serious flaw, and I'm pissed because now I have two locks that are paperweights. On another note, I can't wait to try this out later tonight! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 08:25:23 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kryptonite Locks Easily Pic'd Here is the video how to: http://thirdrate.com/misc/krypto.mov From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 08:27:03 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 05:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Kryptonite Locks Easily Pic'd To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For sure, I own a total of three of them. They should be doing some sort of replacementment program as to not piss off everyone who bought one or more of them! Glenn --- dan wrote: > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > This sux, I understand the same goes for the disc > > locks we all use too. > > > > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=11&u=/ap/20040916/ap_on_re_us/picking_bike_locks > > " "We are accelerating the delivery of the new disc > cylinder locks and we > will communicate directly with our distributors, > dealers and consumers > within the coming days. The world just got tougher > and so did our locks," > the statement said." > > The world got tougher? Its a serious flaw, and I'm > pissed because now I > have two locks that are paperweights. > > On another note, I can't wait to try this out later > tonight! > > Dan > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 08:40:36 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'dan '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Kryptonite Locks Easily Pic'd Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:40:21 -0400 A couple of nights ago I tried it on my generic (non-Kryptonite) U lock with round key. 1 Bic pen and about 2 minutes and I had it open. Be prepared to file the locating nub off the outside of your spare key to put the tumbler back to normal alignment when you are done. Mike -----Original Message----- From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 9/17/2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Kryptonite Locks Easily Pic'd On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Glenn Dysart wrote: > This sux, I understand the same goes for the disc > locks we all use too. > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=11&u=/ap/ 20040916/ap_on_re_us/picking_bike_locks " "We are accelerating the delivery of the new disc cylinder locks and we will communicate directly with our distributors, dealers and consumers within the coming days. The world just got tougher and so did our locks," the statement said." The world got tougher? Its a serious flaw, and I'm pissed because now I have two locks that are paperweights. On another note, I can't wait to try this out later tonight! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 08:48:35 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Glenn Dysart cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kryptonite Locks Easily Pic'd On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 05:26:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: Glenn Dysart > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Kryptonite Locks Easily Pic'd > > For sure, I own a total of three of them. They should > be doing some sort of replacementment program as to > not piss off everyone who bought one or more of them! http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2004/Sep/1074207.htm http://www.bikebiz.co.uk/daily-news/article.php?id=4640 > Glenn > > --- dan wrote: > >> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Glenn Dysart wrote: >> >>> This sux, I understand the same goes for the disc >>> locks we all use too. >>> >>> >> > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=11&u=/ap/20040916/ap_on_re_us/picking_bike_locks >> >> " "We are accelerating the delivery of the new disc >> cylinder locks and we >> will communicate directly with our distributors, >> dealers and consumers >> within the coming days. The world just got tougher >> and so did our locks," >> the statement said." >> >> The world got tougher? Its a serious flaw, and I'm >> pissed because now I >> have two locks that are paperweights. >> >> On another note, I can't wait to try this out later >> tonight! >> >> Dan >> >> > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 09:00:28 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:00:13 EDT Subject: Re: welding machines To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/16/2004 11:49:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Does the welder handle gas, or is it only for flux core wire? > > Both. It's configured for gas right now but there's no canister. That's > why I'm waiting on the manual. (Note: I have a total of 11yrs. working heavy steel.) Generally solid core (using inert gas instead of flux) is cooler and less likely to burn through then inner shield (flux core) wire. > > > Have you > > welded before, or are you just learning like me? > > Not a bit. I watched Kevin do it a couple of times > I don't think I > need to be really high up there, technique wise, at the moment. Just do not weld anything your life will be depending until you have _lots_ of practice. And I would use caution otherwise unless you have someone who really knows welding watching over you or at least checking. > > I've been concentrating on OAW, so I've only picked up a few things > > about > > MIG, TIG and stick welding so far in passing. It is all about controlling _heat,_ making as much as you need and making it go where you want it, make a puddle and then move the puddle. You really do need lots of practice NOTE: practice on the same size and thickness of metal as you will be welding, and practice in the position you will be welding in. If you will have to weld overhead you will need to practice overhead (flat should be best/easiest for a beginner.) > I'd be interested in > > hearing > > about your experiences with it. Off list if you aren't welding on a > > bike. Me too. > > Hey, it's all about bike welding and cutting and grinding Remember that the weld us usually harder then the base metal, it is _very_ easy to remove metal you need and leave the weld behind. > "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the > finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and > shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" > I really _really_ like that quote. Do you know who originated it? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 09:33:50 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Kryptonite-type locks compromised Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:33:24 -0400 From today's NYTimes - those "super secure" Kryptonite and NY Chain locks compromised using ball point pens. Solution? A flat-key lock. Valuable added info in the article. "The Pen is Mightier Than the Lock" http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/17/nyregion/17lock.html (possible registration) Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > My solution? Be unappealing to thieves. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 09:35:55 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:35:13 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Kryptonite Locks Easily Pic'd Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Specifically, Kryptonite will provide the owners of Evolution and KryptoLok series products the ability to upgrade their crossbars to the new disc-style cylinder, where possible. This cylinder provides greatly enhanced security and performance. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 11:15:59 2004 Subject: New motorcycle racing documentary Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:15:17 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Faster", narrated by Ewan McGregor opens today and will be played at Landmark's E Street Cinema. The review is less than flattering: Weekend, "A loud, choppily edited and surprisingly unengaging portrait of speed demons." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 11:27:29 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:26:46 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: welding machines (was: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet) At 08:48 PM 9/16/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> Does the welder handle gas, or is it only for flux core wire? > >Both. It's configured for gas right now but there's no canister. That's >why I'm waiting on the manual. The gas bottles are usually either leased or purchased and swapped at refill time (i.e. you don't buy a particular bottle, just a bottle. Bit odd, but it seems to work). Whether lease or purchase is cheaper depends on the terms involved and how much you will use it and for how long. Ask at your local welding shop...they are a good source of info in general as well as supplies and equipment. >> Have you welded before, or are you just learning like me? > >Not a bit. I watched Kevin do it a couple of times and have read the >Welders Handbook that was at Home Depot. If that's the same Welder's Handbook I have (by Richard Finch?), it's a great start. A couple of other books I've found that I like are: Welding Essentials - Questions and Answers, by William Galvery and Frank Marlow. Welding Fabrication & Repair, by Frank Marlow, PE Both are published by Industrial Press and available on Amazon.com. They go into lots of things you need to know, especially the Fabrication & Repair book, which talks about design as well as how to weld. Things like metallurgy, controlling distortion, safety (you need more on than a proper welding helmet and gloves for instance...unless you like UV burns), etc.. >It doesn't seem to be all that >hard, just practice, practice, practice. And since I'm just trying to >finish up the welding on my bike frame (bike content!), I don't think I >need to be really high up there, technique wise, at the moment. Ummmm...depends whether you want to live or not I guess. I wouldn't trust me to weld a frame together at this point. Welding on brackets to hold lights maybe, but not anything where a weld failure could kill me. It's too easy, especially with a MIG welder, to create a weld that looks pretty but has almost no strength due to lack of penetration. Machine settings are important for that, as is proper wire size and technique. Before I'd be willing to weld anything life-critical I'd want some proper training, not just out of a book. The books are really useful, and I've learned a lot, but some things it's best to have a trained eye look over to tell you if you got it or not. The local community college here sometimes runs welding courses (though not this year fall, drat it). It might also be possible to find a local welder who's willing and able to teach you privately. Shouldn't take a great deal of time to learn what you want to know...you aren't going for a structural or nuclear rating, right? ;-) I don't know much yet, but I have learned that there's a lot more to it than at first appears. Practice is a big part of it, but so is knowledge and understanding. >> I've been concentrating on OAW, so I've only picked up a few things >> about >> MIG, TIG and stick welding so far in passing. I'd be interested in >> hearing >> about your experiences with it. Off list if you aren't welding on a >> bike. > >Hey, it's all about bike welding and cutting and grinding which is why I >got the compressor (well, and air for the car, bike and bicycle tires >among other things; 125psi is a lot of reserve air. I'm down to 80psi and >have been playing with the cutoff wheel :-) How big is the tank? Is this one of the bolt-to-the-floor 60 gallon units? Or a 20 gallon roll-around like I have? If the later, it will work for most everything, but not continuously for things like cutoff tools, small sandblasters or paint sprayers. It has the pressure and volume, but not the capacity to maintain those for very long. Then you have to pause while it catches up. For hobby use that's ok, but if I ever get a proper shop, I want one of the big ones... Cutoff wheels are good for some things, but I've found that a saber saw with a bimetal blade goes through the flat and angle iron stock I've been playing with a lot faster than the cutoff wheel does. A reciprocating saw works even better at times, but I don't have one of those. Air drills are really nice for making holes in metal...the speed is usually a lot higher than you get with electrics. Getting into metal working with the intent of building a bike one day... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 11:54:32 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: New motorcycle racing documentary Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:54:18 -0400 I have this on DVD. Go see it. I just wish I could see it on a big screen. LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Hollywood, FL AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New motorcycle racing documentary "Faster", narrated by Ewan McGregor opens today and will be played at Landmark's E Street Cinema. The review is less than flattering: Weekend, "A loud, choppily edited and surprisingly unengaging portrait of speed demons." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 12:00:13 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:57:10 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: welding machines At 09:00 AM 9/17/04 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >> > Does the welder handle gas, or is it only for flux core wire? >> >> Both. It's configured for gas right now but there's no canister. That's >> why I'm waiting on the manual. > >(Note: I have a total of 11yrs. working heavy steel.) Do you give lessons? >Generally solid core (using inert gas instead of flux) is cooler and less >likely to burn through then inner shield (flux core) wire. Isn't it also cleaner? I.e. less/no slag to chip off? >It is all about controlling _heat,_ making as much as you need and making it >go where you want it, make a puddle and then move the puddle. You really do >need lots of practice I've done enough practice to have learned that for sure. Still working on actually doing it though. Straight seams on flat stock I'm doing fairly well with, but when I tried welding a bit of round stock to a flat bit I ended up with the round stock thinned to about 3/4 of the starting diameter just above the weld. Too much heat on it, rather than the flat...similar problem welding a right angle...the vertical part ended up with some erosion. Got to work on that... >NOTE: practice on the same size and thickness of metal as >you will be welding, and practice in the position you will be welding in. If >you will have to weld overhead you will need to practice overhead (flat should >be best/easiest for a beginner.) Can you weld overhead with OAW, or is that a MIG/TIG thing only? I'm guessing that in either case heat control is going to be even more critical than usual. You'll need to melt the metal, but not get it so runny that surface tension won't hold it in place. Dripping molten steel would be not nice... Luckily, for welding to build a bike I can probably re-orient things to keep it flat almost all the time. Tougher to do on bridges and buildings I expect. ;-) >> "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving >> safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the >> finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and >> shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" >> > >I really _really_ like that quote. Do you know who originated it? It's all over the net, but nobody I've seen has an attribution for it, and none of the big quote search engines know anything about it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 13:03:05 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: welding machines To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/16/2004 11:49:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > Have you > > > welded before, or are you just learning like me? > > > > Not a bit. I watched Kevin do it a couple of times > > I don't think I > > need to be really high up there, technique wise, at the moment. > > Just do not weld anything your life will be depending until you have > _lots_ > of practice. And I would use caution otherwise unless you have someone > who > really knows welding watching over you or at least checking. If I could find someone who could watch over me, I'd have him/her do the last couple of bits I need. That's the problem and why I decided to go this route. Fortunately I don't think there's anything I'm doing that's life threatening on the bike. I have the frame already. I need to weld on a couple of tabs to hold the fender, a plate to hold the coils, two additional tabs to hold the oil tank, a tab for the rear brake (hmm, that'll be one), and the forward control mounts (but that'll have a support bar across the front between the two; maybe number two). The front brake is a sleeve mount rather than a welded tab (per the advise on the web site). > > > > I've been concentrating on OAW, so I've only picked up a few things > > > about > > > MIG, TIG and stick welding so far in passing. > > It is all about controlling _heat,_ making as much as you need and > making it go where you want it, make a puddle and then move the puddle. > You really do need lots of practice NOTE: practice on the same size and > thickness of metal as you will be welding, and practice in the position > you will be welding in. If you will have to weld overhead you will need > to practice overhead (flat should be best/easiest for a beginner.) Oh yea, I plan on lots of practice before actually working on the bike. If you want, check out http://www.schelin.org/touring/chopper/index.html from time to time as I'll post my practices up there as I do them. The book I have has several projects that I'll be doing as well. > > > > I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences with it. Off > > list if you aren't welding on a bike. > > Me too. Like I said. Watch the chopper site. I'm really trying hard to keep it up to date when I do something related to the bike. > > > > > Hey, it's all about bike welding and cutting and grinding > > Remember that the weld us usually harder then the base metal, it is > _very_ easy to remove metal you need and leave the weld behind. Umm, so be careful grinding the weld is basically what you're saying? I'm not really working on a show quality bike. I wasn't planning on grinding the welds down unless you (or someone else with more experience) think it's necessary. > > > "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > > > safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across > the > > finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and > > > shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" > > > > I really _really_ like that quote. Do you know who originated it? Unknown. I saw something similar on a linux mailing list and, after seeing it a few times, I snagged it. I hunted on the web since the first guy had it attributed to someone on Usenet. I found lots of references including the last bit but no actual "official" attribution, hence no attribution here. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 13:10:14 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:10:37 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Seeking to borrow a 60's motorcycle Wow. I never thought my bike would be too *young* for anything... Erick - 74' CB-750 >I know it's a long shot, but does anyone have a roadworthy (and road >legal) 60's bike they'd be willing to lend me for a day? I have an >'03 RC51 to swap for the period in question, which is from 12 Noon >to 6PM this coming Sunday (weather permitting). I would be riding it >sedately from Aldie to Washington VA to Middleburg and back to >Aldie. Email me off list if you are willing. > >Thanks! > >Randy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 13:12:09 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:11:52 EDT Subject: Re: welding machines To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/17/2004 12:00:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Do you give lessons? No, I never have. > > >Generally solid core (using inert gas instead of flux) is cooler > > Isn't it also cleaner? I.e. less/no slag to chip off? Yes, little or no slag at all. Quick lesson: Flux, either in the wire like flux core (inner shield) or outside like stick welding rods. serves one primary purpose*, to create an inert atmosphere by consuming the Oxygen in the surrounding air so that the steel itself does not burn (something it will do _very_ quickly. Literal burning is how a cutting torch works.) The gas in a Mig works the same way the inert gas blows away the Oxygen. There are also systems that use both gas and flux. *(it also creates a sort of "spray gun," if you look at the end of a used rod you will see that it makes a sort of cone. That cone helps spray the liquid metal of the rod at the base metal. If you damage that cone (try it) the weld will want to go sideways until it cones out again.) > > >It is all about controlling _heat,_ making as much as you need and making > it > >go where you want it, make a puddle and then move the puddle. You really do > > >need lots of practice > > when I tried welding a bit of round stock to a flat bit I > ended up with the round stock thinned to about 3/4 of the starting diameter > just above the weld. Too much heat on it, Focus your heat on the puddle. Keep the arc _in_ the puddle and push or pull (different metals/welders different technique.) the puddle where you want it to go. If the puddle is the right size it will be hot enough to fuse with the base metal. > > >NOTE: practice on the same size and thickness of metal as > >you will be welding, and practice in the position you will be welding in. > If > >you will have to weld overhead you will need to practice overhead (flat > should > >be best/easiest for a beginner.) > > Can you weld overhead with OAW, Yes. > ? I'm > guessing that in either case heat control is going to be even more critical > than usual. Damn straight! (and the sparks drop down into your pants leaving little burns that can be damn hard to explain #8-0 > You'll need to melt the metal, but not get it so runny that > surface tension won't hold it in place. You have to learn to use the base metal as a heat sink to draw off heat. Too big a puddle and there will be too much heat for the base metal to draw off, too small and not enough. More then one pass may be needed. Like I said it is all about controlling heat. > Dripping molten steel would be not > nice... See "little burns" above. > > Luckily, for welding to build a bike I can probably re-orient things to > keep it flat almost all the time. > Tougher to do on bridges and buildings I > expect. ;-) My job description was usually mechanic or structural mechanic. As a mechanic I once had a big (as in big and DUMB) helper hold the little guy who was my welder on the job by his heels, lower him into a _small_ hole (he had to hold his stinger straight out over (under) his head to fit into the hole.) so he could weld parts the engineer had forgotten to put on the blueprint. Crazy. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 13:25:36 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:25:16 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: welding machines At 10:00 AM 9/17/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >Fortunately I don't think there's anything I'm doing that's life >threatening on the bike. I have the frame already. I need to weld on a >couple of tabs to hold the fender, That may be number two-and-a-half. Consider what would happen if your fender tabs broke loose and your fender contacted your tire at highway speeds...especially if there are any tabs, screws, nuts or whatever on the underside of the fender. If you are lucky it would just make noise and you could pull over and patch it up enough to get home, or call for a tow. At worst it might slice your tire open enough to cause a blowout, or crumple up and jam things enough to interfere with rotation...like having the brake lock up suddenly (picture this happening on a fast curve...). That falls under "life threatening" in my book. I agree with your other judgements, FWTW. >time to time as I'll post my practices up there as I do them. The book I >have has several projects that I'll be doing as well. My first actual project was really simple: a "welder's finger". 3/8" steel rod. One bit bent into a "V" shape, the other in an "L". The "V" part gets welded onto the long end of the "L", at the apex, perpendicular to the short arm of the "L". The short arm of the "L" gets ground down to a point. Adding weight to the "L" somewhere in the middle is optional. It's a good first project, as it lets you measure, cut, fit, bend, weld and grind, all in one 30 minute project. It's useful for holding small parts in position while you tack weld them (powered by gravity too, so it's always ready to use!). Same sort of task as those magnetic holders they sell at welding shops, but works in different situations. My second one is going to be a small welding table on casters. 14" by 30" welding surface (1/4" steel covered in fire brick, since I'm doing OAW), with a 14" x 30" barred cutting area with a slag-catching box under it. Made mostly from 1/8" thick angle iron. The plans are in the Welding book I think we both have (the welder's finger is in there too). Got most of the parts cut to size, so welding is the next step I think. Still need to locate some sheet metal for the slag catcher area, but otherwise I've got the pieces now. Maybe this weekend, if it quits raining (I work in my driveway...too much wood and motorcycle in the garage!) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 13:29:11 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:29:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: welding machines (was: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 08:48 PM 9/16/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> Does the welder handle gas, or is it only for flux core wire? > > > >Both. It's configured for gas right now but there's no canister. That's > >why I'm waiting on the manual. > > The gas bottles are usually either leased or purchased and swapped at > refill time (i.e. you don't buy a particular bottle, just a bottle. That's about what I figured. I wanted to ensure I got the correct mix since I assume there are several for various thicknesses of wire or applications. That's why the wait for the manual. > Bit > odd, but it seems to work). Not really. Isn't that the way propane (especially for trailers and motor homes) are done? > >> Have you welded before, or are you just learning like me? > > /> >Not a bit. I watched Kevin do it a couple of times and have read the > >Welders Handbook that was at Home Depot. > > If that's the same Welder's Handbook I have (by Richard Finch?), it's a > great start. Yep. Even with the projects. I'll use his book for my practice before I work on the bike. > A couple of other books I've found that I like are: > > Welding Essentials - Questions and Answers, by William Galvery and Frank > Marlow. > > Welding Fabrication & Repair, by Frank Marlow, PE Thanks. I wish I had this last night. I spent about $300 at Borders last night (mainly computer books; ldap, regular expressions v2, openssl, spamassassin, perl for web and a sun blueprints book; also a Terry Pratchett book and The Bikeriders). I remember seeing the Welding Fabrication & Repair book last night. > >It doesn't seem to be all that > >hard, just practice, practice, practice. And since I'm just trying to > >finish up the welding on my bike frame (bike content!), I don't think I > >need to be really high up there, technique wise, at the moment. > > Ummmm...depends whether you want to live or not I guess. I wouldn't > trust > me to weld a frame together at this point. Welding on brackets to hold > lights maybe, but not anything where a weld failure could kill me. It's > too easy, especially with a MIG welder, to create a weld that looks > pretty > but has almost no strength due to lack of penetration. Machine settings > are important for that, as is proper wire size and technique. Yep. Finch goes on about that and the pitfalls of using a MIG welder (cold starts for example). Like I said in another message; probably one weld will be the real important one (rear brake) and the rest are probably not as critical. None of them are in a bending position; hanging, pulling and pushing mainly. I will be careful though. I have no intention of biting the dust because of a faulty weld. > The local community college here sometimes runs welding courses (though > not > this year fall, drat it). It might also be possible to find a local > welder > who's willing and able to teach you privately. Shouldn't take a great > deal > of time to learn what you want to know...you aren't going for a > structural > or nuclear rating, right? ;-) Nope. Just hobbyist stuff. I am already looking in to the local trade schools and the college for more formal training. The problem with college is the price. Since I'm not a resident yet (need a year in state), the cost is pretty high. Once I get all the literature together, I'll make a choice. I checked at the Tool Zone (maybe not a real welding store), but they had no recommendations for a welding class. > > >> I've been concentrating on OAW, so I've only picked up a few things > >> about > >> MIG, TIG and stick welding so far in passing. I'd be interested in > >> hearing > >> about your experiences with it. Off list if you aren't welding on a > >> bike. > > > >Hey, it's all about bike welding and cutting and grinding which is why > I > >got the compressor (well, and air for the car, bike and bicycle tires > >among other things; 125psi is a lot of reserve air. I'm down to 80psi > and > >have been playing with the cutoff wheel :-) > > How big is the tank? Is this one of the bolt-to-the-floor 60 gallon > units? 25 gallon 5hp with 125psi. It's a roll around. I sent you the link in the other e-mail as well as the other response here. > > Getting into metal working with the intent of building a bike one day... > Well, I never really intended on doing the welding work but Leon pointed me to Kevin. With Leon helping, I got in to cutting and grinding and watching Kevin weld, I didn't think it was all that hard (yea, I know :-) Anyway, it looks like I'm on my way to actually metal working. We'll see how it goes :-) > > -- Mike B. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 13:35:39 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:35:31 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: welding machines At 01:11 PM 9/17/04 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >Quick lesson: Flux, either in the wire like flux core (inner shield) or >outside like stick welding rods. serves one primary purpose*, to create an inert >atmosphere by consuming the Oxygen in the surrounding air so that the steel >itself does not burn (something it will do _very_ quickly. Literal burning is how >a cutting torch works.) The gas in a Mig works the same way the inert gas >blows away the Oxygen. There are also systems that use both gas and flux. I took a two day welding class a few years ago, and it was all OAW. The instructor (25 years welding, certifications all over the place and ran a shop down in Georgia) said that the outer flame did basically the same thing if you had the torch adjusted properly. There should be little or no oxygen in it with a neutral flame...the acetylene had burned it all up. If you held the torch too far away, you lost that effect. Too close and you had the part of the flame where O2 was still getting consumed in the puddle. >*(it also creates a sort of "spray gun," if you look at the end of a used rod >you will see that it makes a sort of cone. That cone helps spray the liquid >metal of the rod at the base metal. If you damage that cone (try it) the weld >will want to go sideways until it cones out again.) Never heard that before. Thanks! I'll remember it when I get to stick welding. >> when I tried welding a bit of round stock to a flat bit I >> ended up with the round stock thinned to about 3/4 of the starting diameter >> just above the weld. Too much heat on it, > >Focus your heat on the puddle. Keep the arc _in_ the puddle and push or pull >(different metals/welders different technique.) the puddle where you want it >to go. If the puddle is the right size it will be hot enough to fuse with the >base metal. Got no arc, but I get the idea and will try it next time. I was keeping the flame aimed at the junction of the two parts, and that put way too much heat into the rod by the time the larger angle iron part was hot enough. >Damn straight! (and the sparks drop down into your pants leaving little burns >that can be damn hard to explain #8-0 Sounds painful too... :-) >I once had a big (as in big and DUMB) helper hold the little guy who was my >welder on the job by his heels, lower him into a _small_ hole (he had to hold >his stinger straight out over (under) his head to fit into the hole.) so he >could weld parts the engineer had forgotten to put on the blueprint. >Crazy. Yeah. Good thing the OSHA inspector wasn't around. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 13:48:28 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:47:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: welding machines To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:00 AM 9/17/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Fortunately I don't think there's anything I'm doing that's life > >threatening on the bike. I have the frame already. I need to weld on a > >couple of tabs to hold the fender, > > That may be number two-and-a-half. Consider what would happen if your > fender tabs broke loose and your fender contacted your tire at highway > speeds...especially if there are any tabs, screws, nuts or whatever on > the > underside of the fender. If you are lucky it would just make noise and > you > could pull over and patch it up enough to get home, or call for a tow. > At > worst it might slice your tire open enough to cause a blowout, or > crumple > up and jam things enough to interfere with rotation...like having the > brake > lock up suddenly (picture this happening on a fast curve...). That > falls > under "life threatening" in my book. Certainly lots of things could happen. Since there's no weight on the fender (sprung seat), it'll be supported on the bottom edge, in the middle behind the seat and with a sissy bar so 6 mount points. > >time to time as I'll post my practices up there as I do them. The book > I > >have has several projects that I'll be doing as well. > > My first actual project was really simple: a "welder's finger". > > My second one is going to be a small welding table on casters. > Maybe this weekend, if it quits raining (I work in my > driveway...too much wood and motorcycle in the garage!) Yea, I'll be doing those as well. Nothing going on this weekend but next Saturday there's another list group ride here. We seem to have a group ride about every other week. These guys went to Pagosa Springs last weekend. I did a solo run to Gunnison on the 'busa on Sunday. Lots of fun. I needed my Gerbings since it was chilly going over Loveland and Vail passes and especially through Glenwood Canyon. It was slow riding the dirt roads going over Ohio pass so I didn't feel the cold as much. I have a partial ride report up and the pictures but with wrong captions. Still working on it. http://www.schelin.org/touring/20040912/index.html It's supposed to be in the 30's for overnight lows next week so next saturday should be a nice chilly run :-) > > > -- Mike B. > Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 13:51:45 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:46:06 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: welding machines (was: RE: Bluetooth MC helmet) At 10:29 AM 9/17/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > >> The gas bottles are usually either leased or purchased and swapped at >> refill time (i.e. you don't buy a particular bottle, just a bottle. > >That's about what I figured. I wanted to ensure I got the correct mix >since I assume there are several for various thicknesses of wire or >applications. That's why the wait for the manual. Mostly depends on what you are welding from what I've read. The most common gasses are argon, CO2 or a mixture of the two. Argon seems to be the most generally useful, but also the most expensive. Other gasses get used for some metals, but I doubt either of us is ever going to get into that stuff. The manual might have some info on what to use, but you might want to just ask the folks at the local welding supply store about it. If you know the kind of metal you are welding, and the size, they should be able to tell you what size wire and what gas to use...or at least sell you a reference book with the info in it. >choice. I checked at the Tool Zone (maybe not a real welding store), but >they had no recommendations for a welding class. Do they sell gas? If not, they aren't a real welding store. Check the yellow pages. Around here Robert's Oxygen seems to be a good source, but I don't believe they are national. >25 gallon 5hp with 125psi. It's a roll around. I sent you the link in the >other e-mail as well as the other response here. Yeah, saw the pic after I sent that. You'll have the same problems I do with sustained use of grinders, cutoff wheels, and other high volume users of air. You'll be able to run for a couple of minutes, then the compressor will kick on and stay on until you finish. With things like small sandblasters (we can't run big ones with such small air sources, but that little one Sears sells (used to sell?) works ok for small jobs) you'll have to stop every few minutes to let it catch up...the volume used it just too great for it to keep up without dropping pressure way down. >> Getting into metal working with the intent of building a bike one day... > >Well, I never really intended on doing the welding work but Leon pointed >me to Kevin. With Leon helping, I got in to cutting and grinding and >watching Kevin weld, I didn't think it was all that hard (yea, I know :-) >Anyway, it looks like I'm on my way to actually metal working. We'll see >how it goes :-) Hey, it's a useful skill. Might come in handy if this computer thing ever goes kaput... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 13:52:58 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:52:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Julian Halton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New motorcycle racing documentary On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:15:17 -0400 > From: Julian Halton > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New motorcycle racing documentary > > > "Faster", narrated by Ewan McGregor opens today and will be played at > Landmark's E Street Cinema. > > The review is less than flattering: > Weekend, "A loud, choppily edited and surprisingly unengaging portrait > of speed demons." > I've got the dvd, and this review is bull pucky, imho. They could have had more on bike shots, but overall, I thought the whole thing was pretty well done. It isn't a hollywood, but, for anyone who enjoys 2 wheels, it should be impressive. http://www.fastermovie.com/ I have heard that there's a new version of the DVD coming out, I guess, which has more material than the original. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 14:05:48 2004 Subject: RE: New motorcycle racing documentary Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:05:42 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Daniel H. Brown" Cc: Here is some more: FASTER Crashing vehicles and visits to the hospital account for almost half the footage in this unglamorized 2003 documentary. Filmed during the 2001 and 2002 MotoGP Championships, Faster follows four of the sport's most popular riders: Italian world champion Valentino Rossi; his hot-tempered rival, Max Biaggi; rising American star John Hopkins; and hapless Australian Garry McCoy, who, after developing the dangerous back-wheel-spinning technique that revolutionized the sport, can't seem to keep himself out of the ER. There's plenty of heart-stopping first-person footage from the bike cam, but for all of Faster's dizzying camera work and technical talk, the movie remains driven by its colorful cast of characters. Highlighted by the intense rivalry between Rossi and Biaggi--including the now-infamous "elbow incident," in which the latter allegedly attempted to knock the former off his bike, and the subsequent backstage fistfight--Neale's narrative ends up focusing primarily on intrapersonal reflections and interpersonal relationships. If anyone is interested in joining me I am going to see this tomorrow in the afternoon. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:53 PM To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New motorcycle racing documentary On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:15:17 -0400 > From: Julian Halton > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New motorcycle racing documentary > > > "Faster", narrated by Ewan McGregor opens today and will be played at > Landmark's E Street Cinema. > > The review is less than flattering: > Weekend, "A loud, choppily edited and surprisingly unengaging portrait > of speed demons." > I've got the dvd, and this review is bull pucky, imho. They could have had more on bike shots, but overall, I thought the whole thing was pretty well done. It isn't a hollywood, but, for anyone who enjoys 2 wheels, it should be impressive. http://www.fastermovie.com/ I have heard that there's a new version of the DVD coming out, I guess, which has more material than the original. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 14:24:58 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Pics from Deals Gap Posted on the 'Busa board, this was the first time I'd seen these photos. All taken of the same corner, in order... http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/pc16276a7e65f2ae1cdd9a096cee8971f/f7142080.jpg 1 second later... http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/p83136c0e326abeecbe079f44dce5bd90/f714207d.jpg 5 seconds later... http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/p4907786f6e6a48abd4fafa9d44afb0c1/f7142091.jpg -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 14:31:53 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:30:28 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: welding machines At 10:47 AM 9/17/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> At 10:00 AM 9/17/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >> >> >Fortunately I don't think there's anything I'm doing that's life >> >threatening on the bike. I have the frame already. I need to weld on a >> >couple of tabs to hold the fender, >> >> That may be number two-and-a-half. Consider what would happen if your >> fender tabs broke loose and your fender contacted your tire at highway >> speeds...especially if there are any tabs, screws, nuts or whatever on > >Certainly lots of things could happen. Since there's no weight on the >fender (sprung seat), it'll be supported on the bottom edge, in the middle >behind the seat and with a sissy bar so 6 mount points. Sounds safe enough then. BTW, the list Nazis are starting to complain that we aren't discussing bikes in the way they want to discuss bikes. All they are seeing is the welding part, and they seem to be missing the part about it being to build bikes, safety issues with bikes and novice welders, etc.. They can't even count to three either, but whatever. Let's take this off list so we can let them get back to selling bikes to each other and talking about which jackets and helmets are most comfy/protective/cheap without having things they don't care about discussed too, even if bikes are involved. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 14:52:45 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:52:29 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: welding machines Mike, I have been more than nice to you in the past, and on one occasion I find the repeated back and forth of off-list material bothersome, I email you privately off-list about it in a nice manner, and you are a dick about it? Fuck off and welcome to my ignore list. At 02:30 PM 9/17/2004, you wrote: >BTW, the list Nazis are starting to complain that we aren't discussing >bikes in the way they want to discuss bikes. All they are seeing is the >welding part, and they seem to be missing the part about it being to build >bikes, safety issues with bikes and novice welders, etc.. They can't even >count to three either, but whatever. Let's take this off list so we can >let them get back to selling bikes to each other and talking about which >jackets and helmets are most comfy/protective/cheap without having things >they don't care about discussed too, even if bikes are involved. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 14:53:58 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:53:48 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: welding machines I believe that quote came from a eulogy for Ron Major, an ST1100 rider and popular Iron Butt Ride participant. Ron died of a heart attack and fell from his bike during an Iron Butt several years ago. The eulogy, delivered by a friend and with approval from Ron's family, had that quote (or the original of it). Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:00:13 EDT >> "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving >> safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the >> finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and >> shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" >> > >I really _really_ like that quote. Do you know who originated it? > > > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > >1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 14:56:47 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:56:43 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Kryptonite-type locks compromised And this is a weakness exposed in 1992 in a British bicycle magazine. But forgotten (except perhaps by thieves) until now. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "W.S." Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:33:24 -0400 >>From today's NYTimes - those "super secure" Kryptonite and NY Chain locks >compromised using ball point pens. Solution? A flat-key lock. Valuable >added info in the article. > >"The Pen is Mightier Than the Lock" >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/17/nyregion/17lock.html (possible >registration) > > >Bill S. / DC (on digest) >'99 VN750 > My solution? Be unappealing to thieves. >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 15:10:35 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:10:13 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pics from Deals Gap The photographer's website with the original pics: http://web.infoave.net/~dscannon/archive-09-09-04.html On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:45:07 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Edelen wrote: > Posted on the 'Busa board, this was the first time I'd seen these photos. > All taken of the same corner, in order... > > http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/pc16276a7e65f2ae1cdd9a096cee8971f/f7142080.jpg > > 1 second later... > http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/p83136c0e326abeecbe079f44dce5bd90/f714207d.jpg > > 5 seconds later... > http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/p4907786f6e6a48abd4fafa9d44afb0c1/f7142091.jpg > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 15:11:56 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:11:52 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Pics from Deals Gap And then there's the trucks on the wrong side of the road, too. http://www.tailofthedragon.com/dragon_trucks.html ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Wayne Edelen Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:45:07 -0400 (EDT) >Posted on the 'Busa board, this was the first time I'd seen these photos. >All taken of the same corner, in order... > >http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/pc16276a7e65f2ae1cdd9a096cee8971f/f7142080.jpg > >1 second later... >http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/p83136c0e326abeecbe079f44dce5bd90/f714207d.jpg > >5 seconds later... >http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/p4907786f6e6a48abd4fafa9d44afb0c1/f7142091.jpg > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 15:25:00 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Pics from Deals Gap On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Sean Jordan wrote: > The photographer's website with the original pics: > > http://web.infoave.net/~dscannon/archive-09-09-04.html Thanks for the add'l links, Chris and Sean. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 15:40:52 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:40:28 EDT Subject: Re: welding machines To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/17/2004 1:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah. Good thing the OSHA inspector wasn't around. ;-) OSHA! Spit! Never seen OSHA do anything except F&^% with the guys trying to work. But I am not bitter. Oh, if you can torch weld, you can weld anything with any method (I missed the torch part) you need to control heat by using the rod as a heat sink (put the rod in the flame and let it absorb the heat, melting in the process. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 15:51:47 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:51:33 EDT Subject: Re: welding machines To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh BTW and FYI _never_ lay an acetylene bottle down. Unlike Oxygen the bottle is _not_ simply a gas filled bottle the way most people think of it. Acetylene is unstable under pressure so the bottle is filled with a fiber honeycomb, that is filled with diatomatious earth. and that is saturated with liquid acetone. The acetylene is dissolved into the acetone much like CO2 is dissolved in cola. The gas bubbles out of solution just like the CO2 bubbles out of soda when you open it. If you lay the bottle down you can damage the honeycomb and you can get raw acetone squirting out of your torch. Oh, and _never_ carry acetylene on your bike (this is a little off topic aint it.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 15:58:39 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:58:17 EDT Subject: Re: Pics from Deals Gap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/17/2004 3:12:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > And then there's the trucks on the wrong side of the road, too. This is a problem all over NC and TN Trucks just ignore the signs for "not trucks" like they ignore everything else. Where it got truly insane was during the couple of years when I-40 was shut down due to landslides. Lots of truckers looked at a map and thought "short cut." Not hardly... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 18:29:08 2004 Subject: Tornados Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:28:45 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Hey all, Hope nobody is on a scoot today, but thought you'd want to know regardless... I just watched a rather large tornado smack down and blow a whole bunch of transformers somewhere in the Leesburg area. For anyone going that way, you might want make a few phone calls and see how traffic and such is. Rt 28 looks like a nightmare from here. Hope everyone is alright. BTW... I'm in the big black "cheese wedge" building overlooking Dulles airport, so I have quite a view. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 18:40:59 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:48:45 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tornados Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >Hey all, > >Hope nobody is on a scoot today, but thought you'd want to know >regardless... I just watched a rather large tornado smack down and blow >a whole bunch of transformers somewhere in the Leesburg area. > > My sister lives in Centreville, and she just had a tornado visible from her window there. You guys stay safe, and those of us here in Delaware will just pray it doesn't come our way. :) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 19:24:55 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:02:15 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: New motorcycle racing documentary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Coleman Powersports planned a ride this evening from their Falls Church store to downtown to watch the movie. Not sure if it's still on with Ivan looming. --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:15:17 -0400 > > From: Julian Halton > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: New motorcycle racing documentary > > > > > > "Faster", narrated by Ewan McGregor opens today > and will be played at > > Landmark's E Street Cinema. > > > > The review is less than flattering: > > Weekend, "A loud, choppily edited and surprisingly > unengaging portrait > > of speed demons." > > > > I've got the dvd, and this review is bull pucky, > imho. They could have had > more on bike shots, but overall, I thought the whole > thing was pretty well > done. It isn't a hollywood, but, for anyone who > enjoys 2 wheels, it should > be impressive. > > http://www.fastermovie.com/ > > I have heard that there's a new version of the DVD > coming out, I guess, > which has more material than the original. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 19:58:55 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:04:35 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: Pics from Deals Gap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Amazing some people live as long as they do, huh? Those pics are from KillBoy (http://www.killboy.com/) He has some great shots on his site. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Posted on the 'Busa board, this was the first time > I'd seen these photos. > All taken of the same corner, in order... > > http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/pc16276a7e65f2ae1cdd9a096cee8971f/f7142080.jpg > > 1 second later... > http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/p83136c0e326abeecbe079f44dce5bd90/f714207d.jpg > > 5 seconds later... > http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid138/p4907786f6e6a48abd4fafa9d44afb0c1/f7142091.jpg > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 20:27:50 2004 Subject: CarPool Bike Night Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:27:50 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Hey guys... ran by CarPool in Herndon for dinner tonight, mistakenly thinking they'd have the same menu as the one in Ballston... OOPS! Burgers and fries. Ah well... They are apparently going to be trying to have bike nights on a fairly regular basis. Here's the blurb straight from the flyer (nothing special, I just typed it in). It's right down the road from my office, so I'll be there. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. --------------------------------------- Bike Night Tuesday, September 21 6:00-Close Carpool 208 Elden St. Herndon, VA 20170 571-203-7995 www.carpoolweb.com/herndon All Bikers and Bikes invited to enjoy a late summer night at CarPool. Enjoy our large patio, billiards and games. We'll be serving great food including 1/2 price burgers and other specials throughout the night. Get revved up at CarPool! Contests for: Biker fashion show Show me your tattoo Best bike-cruise or sport bike prizes, prizes, prizes, prizes, prizes, prizes, prizes, prizes, prizes, prizes 1st bi-weekly bike night - watch out for the next event From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 22:09:25 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:07:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Tornados At 06:48 PM 9/17/2004, Laura Roach wrote: >My sister lives in Centreville, and she just had a tornado visible from >her window there. You guys stay safe, and those of us here in Delaware >will just pray it doesn't come our way. :) From the news it looked like one tore up Newgate. We had one land at Liberia/PW Parway less than a mile from our house. I was in the truck today, fortunately. Very nasty ride home. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 23:18:36 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:53:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Bike Night Reminder To: DC Cycles , VFR Next Tuesday in Washington, DC http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 17 23:40:59 2004 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:40:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tornados Troutman wrote: > We had one land at Liberia/PW Parway less than a mile from our house. I actually saw that one (or another one) at the new Shoppers on Liberia, about 5:30pm-ish tonight. Interesting trip home, for sure. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 18 01:50:02 2004 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZX-10R Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 01:49:31 -0400 I have a couple of friends with them. They love them but they need a dampner, screws vibrate loose, and the tail fairing has been known to crack a little under the seat. Ther eis a 10 R message board somewhere out there on the net. Oh and of course no wind protection, you need a doulbe bubble On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:18:56 -0400, "Julian Halton" wrote: > >Anyone on the list tried out the new Zx-10R? Comments? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 18 02:13:13 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: frame straightening? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:12:45 -0400 is there a gmd computrak anywhere? bmore? va? fredrick? anywher? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 18 11:02:08 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:00:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: New motorcycle racing documentary X-Spam-Level: I couldn't disagree more. I watched it on DVD recently and was surprised with how well they tied together a number of seasons and showed how both the egos of the main participants and the changing technology affects the race. The Super Moto GP series is a real nail-biter series because the teams that are battling for first place can be thrown out of the running from 1 or 2 crashes. It is really a story of people pushing to within a nanometer of the performance envelope every day. I am anything but a squidly rider, but the GPers still get my heart pumping. Chris >From: "Julian Halton" >"Faster", narrated by Ewan McGregor opens today and will be played at >Landmark's E Street Cinema. > >The review is less than flattering: >Weekend, "A loud, choppily edited and surprisingly unengaging portrait >of speed demons." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 19 10:02:55 2004 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: G-r-r-reat press. Followup on the pantsless stunter who hit a tow truck: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32224-2004Sep18.html -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 19 10:21:49 2004 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 07:21:42 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: G-r-r-reat press. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Finally, they've not lumped all "bikers" in with "..small but fast-growing world of bikers who illegally perform death-defying stunts on highways and fill the Internet with proof of their fearlessness..." --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > Followup on the pantsless stunter who hit a tow > truck: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32224-2004Sep18.html > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 19 10:27:40 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: G-r-r-reat press. Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:16:14 -0400 Dan, Can you post the text, or a link that doesn't require registraton? Perry >From: "Daniel H. Brown" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: G-r-r-reat press. Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:02:42 -0400 (EDT) > > >Followup on the pantsless stunter who hit a tow truck: > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32224-2004Sep18.html > > >-- >Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 19 10:33:35 2004 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 07:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff schmidt Subject: RE: G-r-r-reat press. (Article Text) To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hope for a Lesson From Extreme Death Frederick Man Pushed the Limits With Dangerous Motorcycle Stunts By Fredrick Kunkle Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, September 19, 2004; Page C01 Shaun P. Matlock pulled on a helmet, climbed aboard a Yamaha sport bike a few miles west of Frederick and opened the throttle, roaring at high speed past hills and farms along a forlorn stretch of highway, toward West Virginia. He wore only a T-shirt and shoes. He also wore two logos: The stickers, slapped on his helmet and his bike, bore the words "Holding It Big," the slogan of an upstart company in Baltimore that promotes extreme sports events and videos. What Matlock thought lay at the end of that stretch of highway is unclear. Street cred? Fame? Money? As the sports promoter filmed Matlock from a chase car and several friends watched last Sunday evening, Matlock and another rider, who also was partially clad, sped off. Matlock pulled up the bike's nose to perform a wheelie at high speed and lost control, careering off the highway into the rear of a parked tow truck, according to police and witness accounts. Police arrived quickly. Minutes before, they had received reports of motorcyclists stunting for a movie camera. Matlock, 21, died on the spot. Hundreds of friends have turned out for vigils at his favorite hangout, at the site of the accident and at a funeral home in Frederick. He was buried Friday. Matlock's family blames his death in part on the American anything-for-fame mentality and a culture glutted with reality TV shows and over-the-top stunts glamorized by "Jackass: The Movie" and the discontinued MTV series that preceded it. They also want the message of their son's death to spread to the small but fast-growing world of bikers who illegally perform death-defying stunts on highways and fill the Internet with proof of their fearlessness. And they want answers from Ben Meacham, 22, the entrepreneur who filmed the stunt for his company, Holding It Big Entertainment, according to Maryland State Police and a witness. Not long before the accident, Meacham took out a newspaper ad promoting his plans to film stunt riders in the Washington area for a movie, saying "a good documentary will change the perspective on reality." "I think he was killed by a video camera," Ray Matlock, 58, said of his son. "It's the thrill of publicity. It's the thrill of being on the Web." The circumstances surrounding the crash are still under investigation by police and the Frederick County state's attorney. State police recovered a videotape from Meacham, Cpl. Jay Robinson said. "He was definitely videotaping what the gentlemen were doing on the bikes," Robinson said. He also said Meacham told them he erased that portion of the video. "There's really no law against filming. The problem might be erasing it, because then you might be destroying evidence," Robinson said. He said a decision on whether to charge Meacham is up to State's Attorney Scott L. Rolle. "The whole situation is under investigation to see if there was any criminal wrongdoing or traffic offenses committed by anybody involved," Rolle said. Efforts to reach Meacham through the telephone number and e-mail address listed on his Web site were unsuccessful. One of his business addresses belongs to Triangle Motors, a Frederick auto dealership owned by his father, Tom. But a request for an interview through his father also was unanswered. "I'm not sure what I can tell you," Tom Meacham said. "You really ought to talk to him." Phone messages left for the second rider, Brandon Edwards, 21, of Ijamsville, were not returned. Rolle focused attention on a popular culture that rewards people for performing stunts no matter how gross, stupid or dangerous. Not long ago, he said, an 18-year-old Frederick County man was charged with beating up a high school football player while other young men filmed it. "There's so much of these reality shows on TV, and shows like 'Punk'd' and 'Jackass,' " Rolle said. "They can say, 'Don't try this at home,' as much as they want, but you can't tell me a 16-year-old is not going to try this at home. They don't care whether it's dangerous. . . . If it gets them in the spotlight for a time, they'll do it." Matlock's death also offers a look at a fast-growing subculture of daredevils who perform heart-stopping acrobatics on sport bikes. Long popular in Europe, the movement has caught fire in the United States in the past five years. The aim is simple: Do things no one has ever seen. Then put it on the Web. Known as "Ninja bikes" and "bullet bikes," sport bikes are streamlined machines that allow the drivers to hit high speeds while riding the bikes belly down, head first and low to the street. "It's a relatively recent subculture . . . that still tends to stay to itself," said Jason Colon, editor of Cycle World's annual Sport Bike special edition. "There's a lot of guys in Middle America. A lot of guys coming out of places where there's no winding canyons." Of course, motorcycle stunts are almost as old as the internal combustion engine, and Evel Knievel became famous nationwide for his bone-crunching motorcycle jumps in the 1970s. But now minicams and the Web have made it possible for almost any fearless soul to demonstrate courage -- or foolishness -- to the entire world. Trawl the Web and you'll find promotional sites for stunt teams with names such as Starboyz, Unsane Ryderz and Scooter Trash. Some talk about their worst spills and injuries. Others sell T-shirts with logos. Many hawk videos of their wildest tricks. Almost every Web site warns that the stunts are dangerous or urges amateurs not to perform them on the highway. But several also invite amateurs to submit footage of their hair-raising tricks. Participants are mostly men in their twenties, though some men in their forties are doing stunts and even a few women, Colon said. But Colon also said the activities are moving into the mainstream, with promoters trying to take stunting off the streets and onto drag strips and racetracks. "It keeps stepping up and reaching higher. It's all about going to the next level," said Greg Sunday, 26, a member of KC's Most Wanted stunt team in Kansas City, Kan. Sunday's first sport bike was a Suzuki Katana 600 cc. He started riding when he was 16 years old. He also started stunting on the street. About three years ago, he and his brother Grant and two other young men formed the stunt team, performing at local drag strips and tracks. Now they go on the road, and there are big events such as Bike Week and Stunt Wars, both of which are held in Florida. "It used to be all about doing 70-, 80-, 90-mile-per-hour wheelies. But it's not that fun anymore," Sunday said. "I don't do them anymore. Too dangerous." A shrine has grown at Matlock's crash site. A red Ron Jon surf shirt was taped to the guardrail, and people have scrawled farewells: "R.I.P.," "Showboys 4 Ever" and "I will never forget you -- hold it big, love Ashley & Cameron." A photo shows Matlock sitting near a flag from the Grateful Dead. There is a decal from Holding It Big Entertainment. Brenton Heller, 19, of Frederick said he looked up to Matlock. "He was so kind and caring. He just loved his friends," Heller said. Sitting on the hood of a 1987 Oldsmobile that his son restored, Ray Matlock talked so quietly that it was hard to hear the fury his words imparted. During an interview the night before his son's funeral, Matlock, manager of a FedEx Kinko's, said that when his son's friends ask what they can do, he challenges them to look him up next year and describe how his son's death changed their lives. Ray Matlock described his son as a loving, high-spirited young man who had been fascinated with mechanical things since the days he played with Legos. Once, he proudly showed off his installation of video screens on the sun visors of a new Corvette. He loved the beach and road trips. He once took off for Texas with nothing but $5 and a pack of cigarettes. And he liked thrills, or at least speed. Shaun Matlock, who worked in an auto parts store, had borrowed the YZF750 Yamaha from a friend for about six months, his father said. But he also was watching videos of a stunt team practicing maneuvers, each member trying to one-up the others. Ray Matlock said Brandon Edwards told him it was all about the camera. "This kid will tell you they decided to do the most outrageous thing because they were being filmed," Matlock said. Heller, who witnessed the accident from a car, said Matlock was going at least 80 mph when he crashed. The impact tore off his helmet and hurtled him through the air. Heller said he ran to his friend, attempted to revive him and cradled his head as he lay dying. "It was just part of what he had suggested that he wanted to do," Heller said. "He was a man of courageous things. He always did crazy things. This time, he was just over-crazy." Friends called Matlock's parents, who drove to the scene before police notified them. Trooper Robinson talked Ray Matlock out of walking down to where his son lay, saying it was not something a parent should see. Shaun Matlock's mother, Jolene, a nurse, collapsed when troopers told her that her son was dead. Staff researcher Bobbye Pratt contributed to this report. )B© 2004 The Washington Post Company --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Dan, > > Can you post the text, or a link that doesn't > require registraton? > > Perry > > >From: "Daniel H. Brown" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: G-r-r-reat press. Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 > 10:02:42 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >Followup on the pantsless stunter who hit a tow > truck: > > > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32224-2004Sep18.html > > > > > >-- > >Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN > Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 19 12:01:41 2004 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: frame straightening? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:00:51 -0400 The closest one used to be at Fast Lane Cycles, but they no longer have it. When I checked a few months ago, the next closest one was in Western PA (can't remember the city though). Dave Lowenstein ----- Original Message ----- > From: Daniel > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: frame straightening? > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:12:45 -0400 > > is there a gmd computrak anywhere? bmore? va? fredrick? anywher? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 19 13:47:58 2004 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:38:08 -0400 To: joey harding , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: G-r-r-reat press. At 07:21 AM 9/19/04 -0700, joey harding wrote: >Finally, they've not lumped all "bikers" in with >"..small but fast-growing world of bikers who >illegally perform death-defying stunts on highways and >fill the Internet with proof of their fearlessness..." Looks like they misspelled "stupidity" there... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 19 16:17:45 2004 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:17:33 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: G-r-r-reat press. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Perry; For any site that requires registration, you can copy the link and paste it into Google. Search, and Google will enable you to click on a non-registration version of the link. Not 100% effective, but works for most sites. Robert On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:16:14 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote: > Dan, > > Can you post the text, or a link that doesn't require registraton? > > Perry > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 09:53:50 2004 Subject: Motor City Weekend and "Faster" Review Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:53:43 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Julian Halton" Saturday night I had the choice of going to some trendy place to stare at attitude babes ten years younger than me or doing my own thing. As I wasn't bartending, I went to the 11:45 PM showing of Faster at the E street cinema. On 13th between E St and F street, I found really good 24 hour parking. I got the two wheel discount and a pair of eyes on my bike which made me happy as there was the usual packs of let's go crazy Saturday nighters stumbling about. The film. Very hackneyed and all over the place. The footage had that grainy artsy look to it. I enjoyed learning a little bit about Rossi and Biaggi and this up and coming American kid. It seems that if you did not start dirt bikes before 4 years of age, your racing career is limited. The film shows a lot of dropped bikes and the resulting injuries but does mention that only one person has died in the history of Grand prix racing- the film's focus. You will learn about two strokes versus four strokes, Grand prix, the rivalry between Rossi and Biaggi and sliding the rear wheel on the twisties. The muted soundtrack takes away from the film. You never really hear the engines or kick ass music to accompany the track footage. Worth seeing but I was not spellbound. Sunday 7:45am. Gearing up for a short stab West to Ohiopyle, PA. 270 (boring) to 70 West (okay) to 68 West (Wow). Hills and bikes go together. I had my non porous Field Sheer to keep me less than chilly. Hit the 281 which has a few twisties. Needed to remind myself that I was not on a track. Gravel and dead animals don't contribute to traction much. I went on a whitewater rafting and run "date" which turned out to be a little disaster. I let her steer after repeated insistence and I got wet and cold, very cold. Think of the Hulk's fist squeezing your heart and other vitals to get the picture. Checked to see all my bits where intact and off we went again. She took me on an 8-mile walk after the fast river and this turned into a 12 mile jog\walk as she miscalculated. Left Ohiopyle at 6:30pm. Great drive back. As the sun sets you get spectacular light effects in the hills. Once I passed the 81 turnoff, the ride lost the enjoyment factor. Why do coked-up rig drivers clog the roads on Sunday night? I felt like I was in a Mad max version of Truck GP. That plus the occasional herbal odors made me a little tense. Quite a few looky-loo Sunday drivers contributed by insisting on passing me and cutting in or pacing me to check me out. Nevertheless a good ride. 68 is awesome. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 10:23:47 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:23:44 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tornados I saw it, -and- got video. http://blackroses.com/~skip/tornado.avi point quicktime at that link. "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > Hey all, > > Hope nobody is on a scoot today, but thought you'd want to know > regardless... I just watched a rather large tornado smack down and blow > a whole bunch of transformers somewhere in the Leesburg area. For > anyone going that way, you might want make a few phone calls and see how > traffic and such is. Rt 28 looks like a nightmare from here. Hope > everyone is alright. > > BTW... I'm in the big black "cheese wedge" building overlooking Dulles > airport, so I have quite a view. > > --smthng > > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox > Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. > '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 10:26:57 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:26:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tornados On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Skip wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:23:44 -0400 > From: Skip > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Tornados > > I saw it, -and- got video. > > http://blackroses.com/~skip/tornado.avi > > point quicktime at that link. Note: you may want to turn down the sound, if you view this at work, depending on where you work. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 10:39:58 2004 Subject: That time of year Gear Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:39:54 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Does anyone have recommendations on a glove for the winter season? My reqs: - keep hands warm enough to ride through season - allow decent grip control no Franken-hands Also my mesh, porous FieldSheer Mach 1 pants don't cut it. Looking for lower body protection and warmth. Rode to MFI for their open house and checked out jackets and pants there and at Colemans...still looking. I have thought about heated gear but am wondering: - does re-wiring bike impact performance\life in an way? - does it void service warranty? ( need to dig mine up and check) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 10:56:14 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:56:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: That time of year Gear To: Julian Halton , DC Cycles Julian: You will give up some grip for warm weather gloves. Its worth it to have warm hand. Leather alone is just too cold. I use these tourmasters: http://www.newenough.com/tour_master_polartex_gloves_page.htm As for heated clothing, it does not impact performace. As for your warranty I have no idea. Elecrtrics really make a difference. The ability to keep your core warm has a major impact on your feet, hands, etc. I have a Gerbing full jacket which I love. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Does anyone have recommendations on a glove for the > winter season? > My reqs: > - keep hands warm enough to ride through season > - allow decent grip control no Franken-hands > > Also my mesh, porous FieldSheer Mach 1 pants don't > cut it. Looking for > lower body protection and warmth. > Rode to MFI for their open house and checked out > jackets and pants there > and at Colemans...still looking. > > I have thought about heated gear but am wondering: > - does re-wiring bike impact performance\life in an > way? > - does it void service warranty? ( need to dig mine > up and check) > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:00:33 2004 Subject: RE: That time of year Gear Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:00:25 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" Gloves... When it gets really cold, I cheat and use neoprene divers gloves. :) Nothing I've found that's MC specific comes close. I have found one pair of summer gloves I like, everything else I've tried over the years has been cr@p. I should probably try spending some real money on a really decent pair of something though, so my opinion may not be the best in this category. I've just had really lousy luck with gloves in general. Although... I can give nothing but the highest praise for Aerostitch Triple Digit glove covers - http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.filereader?414eebfb0101dd32271dd 1f0ec070642+EN/products/442&2D1 They rock in rain or cold! And kids think they are the bees knees... It really wigs them out when you wave. :) As for keeping really warm... I use First-Gear's Thermo suit. You can find them for about $100 if you look around a bit. http://www.firstgear-usa.com/products_raingear.htm (I know it says rain gear, but they're actually more "cold gear" than rain gear). A heavy one-piece suit with full quilted lining. Easy to get in and out of. Unfortunately, it probably won't help much in a wreck, but it'll stop you from freezing. I've used this suit comfortably down to 20 degrees for several hours! Even had to buy one for the wife and she loves it too (now THAT'S an endorsment)! You can probably start wearing it at around 60 degrees or so, but I wouldn't want it any warmer than that. This morning was borderline... I was thinking about the Thermo suit, but decided against it. Leather did the job and I'm thinking it'll be a little warmer when I go home tonight and I don't want to have to worry about where to stuff the Thermosuit (it doesn't fold up real small). For the money, you can't beat the Thermosuit. As for wiring gear... A lot of that depends on the bike. Some are notorius for having weak alternators (Honda Shadows, Yamaha FZ1s, and Yamaha Seca Iis immediately spring to mind). If you can find someone who's done it and can tell you that the alternator can handle the load OR if you can find an upgraded alternator, I don't expect it to be a problem. Personally, I'm going with the heated grips on my next ride and I'll let the unpowered thermosuit handle the rest. I just hate being "cabled" to the bike in any way... I'm sure I'll rip the socket out when I forget about it and hop off for some reason. Generally, there are no warantee issues though... Unless you fry something as a direct result of the wiring you do. Like burning out an alternator by putting BMW heat gear on it. :) Performance-wise... Your lights may dim a bit on a regular carburated bike... Starting a bike will suck if you stall it and don't have time to unplug the heat gear... The only other thing I'd worry about is a fuel injected bike. I have no idea how the FI electronics will behave with the extra load. Again, a boosted alternator should alleviate any issues. Just my two cents... Take 'em how you will. Stay warm! --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:40 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: That time of year Gear > > > Does anyone have recommendations on a glove for the winter season? > My reqs: > - keep hands warm enough to ride through season > - allow decent grip control no Franken-hands > > Also my mesh, porous FieldSheer Mach 1 pants don't cut it. > Looking for lower body protection and warmth. > Rode to MFI for their open house and checked out jackets and > pants there and at Colemans...still looking. > > I have thought about heated gear but am wondering: > - does re-wiring bike impact performance\life in an way? > - does it void service warranty? ( need to dig mine up and check) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:43:45 2004 From: Laurie Holland To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: MC insurance Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:44:08 -0400 I know there are some independent companies that specifically insure motorcycles. Can anyone tell me what they are? I just can't think of any for the life of me right now. Thanks! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:46:36 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Glorious weather! Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:33:49 -0400 What a great day for riding! The only hard part was forcing the bike into the garage at work, instead of heading towards those mountains to the west... Maybe another day! Perry _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:47:38 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: Tornados To: DC Cycles Gnifty. Where was this shot? --- Skip wrote: > I saw it, -and- got video. > > http://blackroses.com/~skip/tornado.avi > > point quicktime at that link. > > "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > Hope nobody is on a scoot today, but thought you'd > want to know > > regardless... I just watched a rather large > tornado smack down and blow > > a whole bunch of transformers somewhere in the > Leesburg area. For > > anyone going that way, you might want make a few > phone calls and see how > > traffic and such is. Rt 28 looks like a nightmare > from here. Hope > > everyone is alright. > > > > BTW... I'm in the big black "cheese wedge" > building overlooking Dulles > > airport, so I have quite a view. > > > > --smthng > > > > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, > Cortech Sport saddle and > > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, > Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox > > Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and > chain guard. > > '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys > wrenching on it. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:48:39 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: MC insurance To: Laurie Holland , DC Cycles Markel http://www.bike-line.com/ --- Laurie Holland wrote: > I know there are some independent companies that > specifically insure > motorcycles. Can anyone tell me what they are? I > just can't think of any > for the life of me right now. > > Thanks! > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:50:15 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: MC insurance To: dccycles --- Laurie Holland wrote: > I know there are some independent companies that > specifically insure > motorcycles. Can anyone tell me what they are? I > just can't think of any > for the life of me right now. > > Thanks! > > https://www.bike-line.com/index.asp _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:50:51 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:50:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Glorious weather! -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman What a great day for riding! The only hard part was forcing the bike into the garage at work, instead of heading towards those mountains to the west... Maybe another day! Perry ----- Amen. Yesterday went for ~400-mile romp in WV to scrub in some new tires. :) Absolutely stunning weather, worthy of taking a Mental Health Day. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:51:17 2004 Subject: RE: Glorious weather! Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:51:15 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Perry Coleman" , > What a great day for riding! The only hard part was forcing > the bike into the garage at work, instead of heading towards > those mountains to the west... Maybe another day! Ain't that the truth! My bike loves a drop in temperature... She just wants to run when she can suck in that much dense air. Ah well... Gotta pay for gas somehow. :( Had a fantastic ride yesterday though... Lots of bike out and about near Taylortown and Waterford. :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:51:31 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:51:27 -0400 From: Skip To: joey harding CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tornados shot on 29 south, between the warrenton exits. joey harding wrote: > > Gnifty. Where was this shot? > > --- Skip wrote: > > > I saw it, -and- got video. > > > > http://blackroses.com/~skip/tornado.avi > > > > point quicktime at that link. > > > > "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > Hope nobody is on a scoot today, but thought you'd > > want to know > > > regardless... I just watched a rather large > > tornado smack down and blow > > > a whole bunch of transformers somewhere in the > > Leesburg area. For > > > anyone going that way, you might want make a few > > phone calls and see how > > > traffic and such is. Rt 28 looks like a nightmare > > from here. Hope > > > everyone is alright. > > > > > > BTW... I'm in the big black "cheese wedge" > > building overlooking Dulles > > > airport, so I have quite a view. > > > > > > --smthng > > > > > > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, > > Cortech Sport saddle and > > > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, > > Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox > > > Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and > > chain guard. > > > '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys > > wrenching on it. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 11:52:05 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:51:51 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Laurie Holland CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: Re: MC insurance bike-line.com :) Laurie Holland wrote: > I know there are some independent companies that specifically insure > motorcycles. Can anyone tell me what they are? I just can't think of any > for the life of me right now. > > Thanks! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 12:03:58 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:59:07 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: That time of year Gear At 10:39 AM 9/20/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >Does anyone have recommendations on a glove for the winter season? >My reqs: >- keep hands warm enough to ride through season >- allow decent grip control no Franken-hands I have several pairs to wear depending on temps. Slightly insulated for temps between 65 and 50, winter with lots of insulation for temps from 50 down to just above freezing, and heated for temps below that. The heated ones worked fine down to 26 F last winter...that's the coldest I tried riding in. My hands were just fine though. They were comfortable enough even with the power off, and toasty warm with it on. All three pairs are H-D, and purchased at Battley's. >Also my mesh, porous FieldSheer Mach 1 pants don't cut it. Looking for >lower body protection and warmth. They aren't cheap, but the H-D FXRG pants are really good. All leather, with padding in the places you want it, and with zips all the way down both sides so you can get in and out of them with your boots on. The zips are two-way, so you can also get into your pants pockets while wearing them (though they do have pockets of their own...two front, one right rear. The area behind the knees isn't leather, but a stretchy material, so it doesn't bunch and cut off circulation on you. The lowest foot or so of the legs is closed by snaps, so you can cut them off to length if they are too long, without worrying about the zipper. I left mine as they came. I found that with jeans and long undies on under them, they were warm enough to be comfy on that 26 degree day, though they aren't electric at all. There's a matching jacket, which is also really good, and also not at all cheap. Had it on over leather vest, sweatshirt and T-shirt on that same ride, and wasn't at all cold. Actually got a little overheated until I got moving... The only part of me that got chilly was my toes. Hunting socks (Galyan's) helped a whole lot with that, but I would consider heated socks if I was going to ride much, or far, in temps at or below freezing. >I have thought about heated gear but am wondering: >- does re-wiring bike impact performance\life in an way? >- does it void service warranty? ( need to dig mine up and check) The main issue is to add up the amp draw of all the gear you are planning on wearing, and compare that to the output of your alternator at some reasonable RPM. I'm not sure what that is for your bike, but for a H-D you usually use 1500 RPM output to be safe. Any time the total amp draw exceeds the output of your charging system, you are draining your battery. When it dies, your bike may too...and probably won't restart. You really want the total draw to be a bit less than what your charging system is rated for. As it ages it may not put out full rated current. Rewiring usually just consists of adding a couple of extra wire terminals to your battery...or one to the battery and one to the common ground lug if you have one (keeps the sparks away from the battery when connecting and disconnecting it). You then run the wire out along some convenient path. If you want to install a plug connector somewhere you can, but I just run the wire out from under my seat and connect it there. When it's not in use I stuff the dangly end into the left saddle bag (which is only a few inches away) to keep it out of trouble. The harness that runs up inside the jacket and down the sleeves to the gloves goes in with it. You shouldn't notice any performance decrease. There will be a little...the HP to run the charging system to power your gear has to come from somewhere...but I really doubt you'd be able to see it without dyno tests, and even then it may not show up. Warranty? Probably not...but check yours to make sure. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 12:11:16 2004 From: Laurie Holland To: Laurie Holland Cc: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' '" Subject: RE: MC insurance Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:11:35 -0400 Can't beat the consensus. Thanks everyone! -----Original Message----- From: Laura Roach To: Laurie Holland Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' Sent: 9/20/2004 11:51 AM Subject: Re: MC insurance bike-line.com :) Laurie Holland wrote: > I know there are some independent companies that specifically insure > motorcycles. Can anyone tell me what they are? I just can't think of any > for the life of me right now. > > Thanks! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 13:27:59 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:27:44 EDT Subject: Re: Motor City Weekend and "Faster" Review To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You were up in my old stomping grounds. My folks live about 40 minutes from OhioPyle and I was just up there mid-August doing the camping/rafting thing with friends. A little bit warmer water though. This time of year is when it starts to get chilly. brrrrrrrr..... Hope you had fun otherwise. Scooter In a message dated 9/20/2004 9:54:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: Sunday 7:45am. Gearing up for a short stab West to Ohiopyle, PA. 270 (boring) to 70 West (okay) to 68 West (Wow). Hills and bikes go together. I had my non porous Field Sheer to keep me less than chilly. Hit the 281 which has a few twisties. Needed to remind myself that I was not on a track. Gravel and dead animals don't contribute to traction much. I went on a whitewater rafting and run "date" which turned out to be a little disaster. I let her steer after repeated insistence and I got wet and cold, very cold. Think of the Hulk's fist squeezing your heart and other vitals to get the picture. Checked to see all my bits where intact and off we went again. She took me on an 8-mile walk after the fast river and this turned into a 12 mile jog\walk as she miscalculated. Left Ohiopyle at 6:30pm. Great drive back. As the sun sets you get spectacular light effects in the hills. Once I passed the 81 turnoff, the ride lost the enjoyment factor. Why do coked-up rig drivers clog the roads on Sunday night? I felt like I was in a Mad max version of Truck GP. That plus the occasional herbal odors made me a little tense. Quite a few looky-loo Sunday drivers contributed by insisting on passing me and cutting in or pacing me to check me out. Nevertheless a good ride. 68 is awesome. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 13:47:39 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:46:46 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: That time of year Gear Cc: Julian Halton , DC Cycles On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:59:07 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: > Rewiring usually just consists of adding a couple of extra wire terminals > to your battery...or one to the battery and one to the common ground lug if > you have one (keeps the sparks away from the battery when connecting and > disconnecting it). You then run the wire out along some convenient path. > If you want to install a plug connector somewhere you can, but I just run > the wire out from under my seat and connect it there. When it's not in use > I stuff the dangly end into the left saddle bag (which is only a few inches > away) to keep it out of trouble. The harness that runs up inside the > jacket and down the sleeves to the gloves goes in with it. If you do it this way (direct to the battery), make sure to put an in-line fuse on the positive leg of the wire you run from the battery, as close to the battery as possible. I use an SAE-type connector to connect my heated jacket. It's run from a fuseblock I installed under the seat, but you don't need to get that fancy. (Fuseblock is like this one: http://www.onlinemarine.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online_superstore/electrical/blue_seas_fuse_blocks_fuses.htm?E+scstore ) Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 14:04:41 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:04:17 -0400 To: Aaron Maurer From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: That time of year Gear Cc: Julian Halton , DC Cycles At 01:46 PM 9/20/04 -0400, Aaron Maurer wrote: >On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:59:07 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> Rewiring usually just consists of adding a couple of extra wire terminals >> to your battery...or one to the battery and one to the common ground lug if >> you have one (keeps the sparks away from the battery when connecting and >> disconnecting it). You then run the wire out along some convenient path. > >If you do it this way (direct to the battery), make sure to put an >in-line fuse on the positive leg of the wire you run from the battery, >as close to the battery as possible. Definitely. The harness that came with my gloves included one that takes a standard "blade type" car fuse. If yours doesn't, NAPA has them. I'd expect any car parts place, like Autozone, Track or whatever to have them too. >I use an SAE-type connector to connect my heated jacket. It's run >from a fuseblock I installed under the seat, but you don't need to get >that fancy. (Fuseblock is like this one: >http://www.onlinemarine.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online_superstore/electr ical/blue_seas_fuse_blocks_fuses.htm?E+scstore I've been wanting to put some sort of fuesblock or connector block on my bike. Between the normal H-D connections, and the GPS and the Gloves...the terminal posts are getting crowded, and all the inline fuses take up what lettle space there is under the seat. Not sure something like you used would fit though...there's not a lot of space under there. Have to measure carefully and go down to the local marine supply place and check. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 14:59:43 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Last Reminder for Bike Night: Tuesday September 20 To: DC Cycles DCcycles: Hope to see many of you tomorrow night. Please make sure to find me and say hi if we have not met. http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 15:48:29 2004 Subject: RE: Last Reminder for Bike Night: Tuesday September 20 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:48:23 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" > Subject: Last Reminder for Bike Night: Tuesday September 20 Looks like I'll be doing the Asylum bike night instead of the local one at Carpool, so... Assuming I don't recognize anyone, how do I figure out who is who once I get there? :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 15:52:14 2004 Subject: RE: Last Reminder for Bike Night: Tuesday September 20 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:52:10 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" I would love to attend but may very well be bartending at Thyme Out in Bethesda ( 6821 Reed St corner of Bethesda and Woodmont) You can park your bike right in front just off the capital crescent trail). Anyone that wants to stop by after Asylum...should. Ryan Santoso you still need to collect your gift certificate -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 3:48 PM To: Mark Kitchell; DC Cycles Subject: RE: Last Reminder for Bike Night: Tuesday September 20 > Subject: Last Reminder for Bike Night: Tuesday September 20 Looks like I'll be doing the Asylum bike night instead of the local one at Carpool, so... Assuming I don't recognize anyone, how do I figure out who is who once I get there? :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 16:10:59 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 20 Sep 2004 20:10:48 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:10:48 -0500 Subject: Re: That time of year Gear Mike Bartman wrote: >> They aren't cheap, but the H-D FXRG pants are really good. >> All leather, with padding in the places you want it.... Based on Mike's recommendation, I checked these out on the H-D site. $365. Yowzaa! Well, the man cautioned they weren't cheap. But then I noticed that the largest size available was 42. I, ahem, can't wear a 42. And based on an admittedly unscientific field observation of H-D owners, most of them can't either. Dave (with the build of a Harley rider, if not the bike) Blumgart -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 16:13:08 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:12:57 -0400 From: J D Reply-To: J D To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: That time of year Gear Cc: DC Cycles On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:39:54 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > Does anyone have recommendations on a glove for the winter season? > My reqs: > - keep hands warm enough to ride through season > - allow decent grip control no Franken-hands how cold are you going to ride? I've got a set of Gerbings gloves and was ok down to about 20 last winter. After about 20, it started to get a bit more nippy than I'd like. I did ride down to 8 last winter, and was getting cold fingers after about an hour. I find above mid-30's I can run w/o heat, tho its MUUUUCH nicer with it. The gloves only take about 25 watts to run, and should be no problem on any reasonable machine. -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 20 17:24:28 2004 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:23:16 -0400 To: "David Blumgart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: That time of year Gear At 03:10 PM 9/20/04 -0500, David Blumgart wrote: >Mike Bartman wrote: > >>> They aren't cheap, but the H-D FXRG pants are really good. > >Based on Mike's recommendation, I checked these out on the H-D site. $365. >Yowzaa! Well, the man cautioned they weren't cheap. Yes I did! ;-) > But then I noticed that the largest size available was 42. I, ahem, can't wear a 42. And based on an admittedly unscientific field observation of H-D owners, most of them can't either. I squeezed into the 42, but it was kinda tight, so Battley's special ordered them in 44 for me. Showed up in less than a week. Don't know if they've discontinued the larger size or not, but I got mine last fall, so they had at least up to 44 then. Might be worth a call to ask about it if you are interested. BTW, there was a slightly higher price (like $20 or something) for the larger sizes. Guess the bigger cows are more dangerous to kill or something. >Dave (with the build of a Harley rider, if not the bike) Blumgart Hey now! Not *all* Harley riders have "mature" figures! Most can't be all that tall either, or they'd make the bikes bigger... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:22:30 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:22:21 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Ticket for 205 http://wcco.com/localnews/local_story_265090112.html What does 140 over the limit get you besides a night in the pokey? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:28:46 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:28:35 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 -----Original Message----- From: Troutman http://wcco.com/localnews/local_story_265090112.html What does 140 over the limit get you besides a night in the pokey? ------ From the news story: "Only a handful of exotic sports cars can reach 200 mph, but many high-performance motorcycles can top 175 mph. With minor modifications, they can hit 200 mph. Tilley was riding a Honda 1000, Loney said. " WTF is a "Honda 1000"? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:33:07 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:33:04 -0400 To: dc Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 At 10:28 AM 9/21/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >"Only a handful of exotic sports cars can reach 200 mph, but many >high-performance motorcycles can top 175 mph. With minor modifications, >they can hit 200 mph. Tilley was riding a Honda 1000, Loney said. " > >WTF is a "Honda 1000"? CBR1000RR I assume. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:35:10 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:34:59 -0400 To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 At 10:22 AM 9/21/2004, Troutman wrote: >http://wcco.com/localnews/local_story_265090112.html > >What does 140 over the limit get you besides a night in >the pokey? > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive. ''Only a handful of exotic sports cars can reach 200 mph, but many high-performance motorcycles can top 175 mph. With minor modifications, they can hit 200 mph. Tilley was riding a Honda 1000, Loney said. Kathy Swanson of the state Office of Traffic Safety said unless Tilley was wearing the kind of protective gear professional motorcycle racers wear, he was courting death at 200 mph." Honda 1000? Protective gear would save his ass at 200mph? Riiiiggght.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:36:52 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:36:44 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 To: dc Cycles Troutman rhetorically asks: >http://wcco.com/localnews/local_story_265090112.html > >What does 140 over the limit get you besides a night in the >pokey? [Dave] a lot of mysteriously, unaccounted for miles on the odometer when you finally manage to get the bike back out of impound. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:42:01 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:41:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 Dunno about "minor" modifications, must have been significantly modified, or the flying trooper fat-fingered the timing. Published top speeds I've seen for a stock CBR1000RR are in the upper 170s to lower 180s. Still enough to warrant a roadside chat, though, I expect. :-\ -----Original Message----- From: Troutman Sent: Sep 21, 2004 10:33 AM To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 At 10:28 AM 9/21/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >"Only a handful of exotic sports cars can reach 200 mph, but many >high-performance motorcycles can top 175 mph. With minor modifications, >they can hit 200 mph. Tilley was riding a Honda 1000, Loney said. " > >WTF is a "Honda 1000"? CBR1000RR I assume. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:46:58 2004 Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:46:55 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" "arrested the faster rider, 20-year-old Stillwater resident Samuel Armstrong Tilley, for reckless driving, driving without a motorcycle license -- and driving 140 miles per hour over the posted speed limit of 65 mph." No license doing 205? Ouch! Might as well just chop off that boy's thumbs... He's done fer sure. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:47:57 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:47:43 -0400 From: Skip To: skip@XXXXXX Subject: earplugs harbor freight. $18 for 200 pair http://www.harborfreighttools.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=91217 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:55:23 2004 Subject: Ebay spoof Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:55:18 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" I know a bunch of you use eBay (both buyers and sellers)... There's a rash of emails going out that appear to be from eBay, but are not. Do NOT click the link and sign in unless you really want a bunch of little criminals to use your account for you. The link LOOKS like it's actually from eBay, but if you dig through the HTML it points to pornosin.com - I don't think "pornosin.com" is one of eBay's more advertised domains, eh? :) I've included the email below so you know what to look for. If you get one of these, they are NOT legit. BTW... if anyone thinks this is entirely inappropriate for the list, buy me a beer tonight and I'll leave everyone to the wolves. :P --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. ---------------------- Dear eBay User, We regret to inform you, that we had to block your eBay account because we have been notified that your account may have been compromised by outside parties. Our terms and conditions you agreed to state that your account must always be under your control or those you designate at all times. We have noticed some activity related to your account that indicates that other parties may have access and or control of your information in your account. Please be aware that until we can verify your identity no further access to your account will be allowed.As a result,Your access to bid or buy on eBay has been restricted.To start using your eBay account fully,Please uptake and verify your information by clicking below **Link removed to protect all idiots** Regards, eBay Member Service **Please Do Not Reply To This E-mail As You Will Not Receive A Response** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 10:55:35 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:54:46 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: earplugs At 10:52 AM 9/21/2004, Skip wrote: >harbor freight. > >$18 for 200 pair > >http://www.harborfreighttools.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=91217 "noise reduction rating of 22 dB" Decent price for a lot of plugs. Try eBay too. I picked up a set that look like generic shooters plugs at Wal-Mart last week. 29 db reduction. Better than any of the others I have tried and fit really well. I'm finally done with all of the Hearos I ordered a couple of years ago. They didn't fit my noggin very well. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:01:01 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:00:51 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: earplugs At 10:54 AM 9/21/2004, Troutman wrote: >At 10:52 AM 9/21/2004, Skip wrote: >>harbor freight. >> >>$18 for 200 pair >> >>http://www.harborfreighttools.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=91217 > >"noise reduction rating of 22 dB" Decent price for a lot >of plugs. Try eBay too. > >I picked up a set that look like generic shooters plugs at >Wal-Mart last week. 29 db reduction. Better than any of >the others I have tried and fit really well. I'm finally >done with all of the Hearos I ordered a couple of years >ago. They didn't fit my noggin very well. > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive. I'll have to try the Walmart brand. Where are they located? I can swing by the one in Sterling. I didn't like the Hearos either. I've still got 4-5 pairs left. Two things I didn't like. They didn't expand well in my ear canal and I still got a lot of (now) concentrated wind noise and the other problem is that in order to get them to set well in my ear canal, I have to put them in pretty deep, which can make for some spirited and animated removal dances to get them back out. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:03:42 2004 Subject: Plexus - interesting usage Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:03:39 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" Hey again. I am cleaning up my spam folder just to make sure nothing "real" gets canned accidentally. Came across another interesting one that I had to share. Plexus is awesome stuff... I knew it was good for a lot of things, but this is one I've never tried: -------- Hi, Plexus, the NATURAL male enhancement product with both immediate and long-term results. - Increase size up to 30% - Increase ejaculation amount - Intensified and longer 0rgasms - Increase in your stamina - End premature ejaculation - End erectile dysfunction We guarantee your satisfaction, or you get the money back. We ship world wide, and no prescription is required!! Try it today you wont regret! Get it here: **link removed to protect the idiots** Best regards, Another idiot From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:08:49 2004 Subject: RE: Ebay spoof Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:08:44 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "dc Cycles" I am jealous about missing bike night. Sparky Marky won't schedule one at the bar I work at which is too bad. Maybe some of you can stop by after. We have great food- serve till 1:00AM and anyone that shows up from the list gets a gratis beverage. ( that pretty much goes anytime ) -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:55 AM To: dc Cycles Subject: Ebay spoof I know a bunch of you use eBay (both buyers and sellers)... There's a rash of emails going out that appear to be from eBay, but are not. Do NOT click the link and sign in unless you really want a bunch of little criminals to use your account for you. The link LOOKS like it's actually from eBay, but if you dig through the HTML it points to pornosin.com - I don't think "pornosin.com" is one of eBay's more advertised domains, eh? :) I've included the email below so you know what to look for. If you get one of these, they are NOT legit. BTW... if anyone thinks this is entirely inappropriate for the list, buy me a beer tonight and I'll leave everyone to the wolves. :P --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. ---------------------- Dear eBay User, We regret to inform you, that we had to block your eBay account because we have been notified that your account may have been compromised by outside parties. Our terms and conditions you agreed to state that your account must always be under your control or those you designate at all times. We have noticed some activity related to your account that indicates that other parties may have access and or control of your information in your account. Please be aware that until we can verify your identity no further access to your account will be allowed.As a result,Your access to bid or buy on eBay has been restricted.To start using your eBay account fully,Please uptake and verify your information by clicking below **Link removed to protect all idiots** Regards, eBay Member Service **Please Do Not Reply To This E-mail As You Will Not Receive A Response** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:13:43 2004 Subject: Crossing the country Recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:13:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "dc Cycles" I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious as to the following: What bike would you vets recommend as the best? If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles before I run out of essence I want to pack lighter than what I took on my trip North I start thinking of the places I want to visit and I grin from ear to ear Must stops: Colorado Montana Washington California Arizona Ideal: New Orleans on the way back You have no idea how much I dreamt about these places..I have always made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. Specifics: Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? Is a GPS a must? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:13:58 2004 Subject: Re: Post bike nite (was ebay spoof) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:13:54 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" > Maybe > some of you can stop by after. I may just do that. Not sure, depends on how much my cell phone goes off at Asylum. :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:19:12 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oregon should be on your list too, besides the many (other) great roads the obvious one is US101 along the coast. Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > > I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious > as to the following: > What bike would you vets recommend as the best? > If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles > before I run out of > essence > I want to pack lighter than what I took on my trip > North > I start thinking of the places I want to visit and I > grin from ear to > ear > > Must stops: > Colorado > Montana > Washington > California > Arizona > > Ideal: New Orleans on the way back > > You have no idea how much I dreamt about these > places..I have always > made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. > > Specifics: > Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? > Is a GPS a must? > > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:22:54 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:22:49 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: earplugs At 11:00 AM 9/21/2004, you wrote: >I'll have to try the Walmart brand. Where are they located? ...... >snip......I have to put them in pretty deep, which can make for some >spirited and animated removal dances to get them back out. Near the bandages, braces and foot pads. The pharmacy area. I have the same problem with softer foam plugs, they often slip into the ear canal and I have a hard time ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:25:56 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:25:47 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: earplugs At 11:22 AM 9/21/2004, Troutman wrote: >At 11:00 AM 9/21/2004, you wrote: >>I'll have to try the Walmart brand. Where are they >>located? ...... snip......I have to put them in pretty >>deep, which can make for some >>spirited and animated removal dances to get them back >>out. > >Near the bandages, braces and foot pads. The pharmacy >area. I have the same problem with softer foam plugs, >they often slip into the ear canal and I have a hard time > Great! I'll take a look. Maybe later on today. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:26:06 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:19:36 -0400 Not to nitpick, but in the Italian GP one rider experienced a high-side at near 200 mph on the main straight. He was racing the next week. Race-grade protective gear will protect at 200mph, as long as the only thing one hits is the ground. Telephone poles, lemonade stands, fire hydrants, etc. tend to complicate things... YMMV, PAYOR, ... >From: Aki Damme ---snip--- >Honda 1000? Protective gear would save his ass at 200mph? Riiiiggght.... > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:28:02 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations To: Julian Halton , dc Cycles My advice is be careful including 'must stops' in places that are away from good roads (perhaps New Orleans). You then spend too much time getting to those places and you lose precious time on the great roads. New Orleans can be visited for a weekend via plane probably much better. Don't miss (for me) Colorado, specifically Telluride Arches National Park in Utah Monument Valley Death Valley: BE CAREFUL, you may have too small a gas tank --- Julian Halton wrote: > > I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious > as to the following: > What bike would you vets recommend as the best? > If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles > before I run out of > essence > I want to pack lighter than what I took on my trip > North > I start thinking of the places I want to visit and I > grin from ear to > ear > > Must stops: > Colorado > Montana > Washington > California > Arizona > > Ideal: New Orleans on the way back > > You have no idea how much I dreamt about these > places..I have always > made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. > > Specifics: > Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? > Is a GPS a must? > > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:31:24 2004 Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:31:17 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "dc Cycles" Duly noted....what kind of time frame do you think I need to do this without making it too many hours per day not enough time to see things? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:27 AM To: Julian Halton; dc Cycles Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations My advice is be careful including 'must stops' in places that are away from good roads (perhaps New Orleans). You then spend too much time getting to those places and you lose precious time on the great roads. New Orleans can be visited for a weekend via plane probably much better. Don't miss (for me) Colorado, specifically Telluride Arches National Park in Utah Monument Valley Death Valley: BE CAREFUL, you may have too small a gas tank --- Julian Halton wrote: > > I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious as to the > following: > What bike would you vets recommend as the best? > If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles before I run out of > essence I want to pack lighter than what I took on my trip North I > start thinking of the places I want to visit and I grin from ear to > ear > > Must stops: > Colorado > Montana > Washington > California > Arizona > > Ideal: New Orleans on the way back > > You have no idea how much I dreamt about these places..I have always > made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. > > Specifics: > Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? > Is a GPS a must? > > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:31:41 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:31:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations Don't forget my adopted home state of Wyoming. Yellowstone National Park is a must do. 140-mile range is going to tax you on the back roads. Plan gas stops carefully. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious as to the following: What bike would you vets recommend as the best? If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles before I run out of essence I want to pack lighter than what I took on my trip North I start thinking of the places I want to visit and I grin from ear to ear Must stops: Colorado Montana Washington California Arizona Ideal: New Orleans on the way back You have no idea how much I dreamt about these places..I have always made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. Specifics: Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? Is a GPS a must? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:33:04 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:32:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 At 11:19 AM 9/21/2004, Paul Hutchins wrote: >Not to nitpick, but in the Italian GP one rider >experienced a high-side at near 200 mph on the main >straight. He was racing the next week. > >Race-grade protective gear will protect at 200mph, as long >as the only thing one hits is the ground. > >Telephone poles, lemonade stands, fire hydrants, etc. tend >to complicate things... > >YMMV, PAYOR, ... ...maybe but I seriously doubt this clown is a professional racer and the average run of the mill road isn't anything like a professional racetrack. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:33:16 2004 Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:33:09 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc Cycles" Incidentally...do those big sport tourers give you considerably more range? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:32 AM To: Julian Halton; dc Cycles Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations Don't forget my adopted home state of Wyoming. Yellowstone National Park is a must do. 140-mile range is going to tax you on the back roads. Plan gas stops carefully. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious as to the following: What bike would you vets recommend as the best? If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles before I run out of essence I want to pack lighter than what I took on my trip North I start thinking of the places I want to visit and I grin from ear to ear Must stops: Colorado Montana Washington California Arizona Ideal: New Orleans on the way back You have no idea how much I dreamt about these places..I have always made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. Specifics: Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? Is a GPS a must? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:33:18 2004 Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:33:15 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" > I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious as to the > following: > What bike would you vets recommend as the best? D@mn, it must be nice to have your schedule... My vacation hours are all burnt up already. :( I wouldn't recommend any bike in particular, but would recommend a couple of "types" to consider. First off, a Goldwing. Not as much fun as others, but hella comfy and plenty of luggage space. Personally, I'd prefer a sport-tourer type... Something like an Yama FJR1300, Honda ST1300, Beemer K1200 GT, or a Duc Multistrada 1000. Anything along those lines where you sit upright. Having the packing space that those things come with isn't bad either. As a last resort... Any of the "not-quite-a-crotch-rocket" bikes... Yama FZ1, Bandit 1200, Duc ST4. Basically anything that has decent height handle-bars. Of course, you did manage to get all the way to Canada and back on yours, so maybe it won't be an issue. I'd sure have a hard time "laying down" all the distance though. All the HD and other cruiser types will have to forgive me. I'm sure they can work great for a long distance trip, but after my Shadow, I'm done with the cruiser class. Just don't have any real good opinions to offer there. If you're planning this for some time like "next spring" or something, me and a guy at the office (and maybe one other if I can ever get his POS running right) are planning a New Orleans trip on the scoots. We might possibly be able to arrange a meet down there and then join you for the ride back. Worth thinking about. My current con job is talking my boss into finding a business-related reason to attend Biketoberfest in Daytona this year. :) A man can dream... > If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles before I run > out of essence I want to pack lighter than what I took on my > trip North Ouch... 140 a tank sucks. You'd have a real hard time finding fuel around Colorado and Nevada with that range. I'd definitely shoot for something with about a 200 mile range and even then, I might consider carrying some extra gas in those areas just in case I got sidetracked. :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:34:28 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations To: Julian Halton , dc Cycles I have no idea. I did it over 2 months and even that was not enough. But I included TOO many must stops to see friends, ex-lovers and future ones too. Seriously, I spent a week in Chicago, one more in Sacramento, stupid stuff. I would say to CA and back a minimum of 2 weeks. This means you are moteling it and not camping. I loved camping but it takes more time for me. Set up and break down cut into my riding time. --- Julian Halton wrote: > Duly noted....what kind of time frame do you think I > need to do this > without making it too many hours per day not enough > time to see things? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:27 AM > To: Julian Halton; dc Cycles > Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations > > My advice is be careful including 'must stops' in > places that are away > from good roads (perhaps New Orleans). You then > spend too much time > getting to those places and you lose precious time > on the great roads. > New Orleans can be visited for a weekend via plane > probably much better. > > Don't miss (for me) > > Colorado, specifically Telluride > Arches National Park in Utah > Monument Valley > Death Valley: BE CAREFUL, you may have too small a > gas tank > > > --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious > as to the > > following: > > What bike would you vets recommend as the best? > > If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles > before I run out of > > essence I want to pack lighter than what I took on > my trip North I > > start thinking of the places I want to visit and I > grin from ear to > > ear > > > > Must stops: > > Colorado > > Montana > > Washington > > California > > Arizona > > > > Ideal: New Orleans on the way back > > > > You have no idea how much I dreamt about these > places..I have always > > made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. > > > > Specifics: > > Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? > > Is a GPS a must? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:44:24 2004 Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:44:20 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Julian Halton" , "Paul Wilson" , "dc Cycles" > Incidentally...do those big sport tourers give you > considerably more range? Some yes, some no. I know the FJR gives you about 6.6 gallons of gas, which works out to 250 miles if you're nice to it. The ST1300 is 7.7 gallons, which is about 320 on that one. Not sure about others, but generally the manufacturers know that you're buying a bike that size to put some distance on it and they'll give it a tank big enough to let you. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 11:45:08 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:45:01 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc Cycles Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations Dunno about "big" sport-tourers, but with judicious application of the throttle, the l'il VFR gets >40 mpg. 5.5-gallon tank. I can usually make around 220 miles before being in urgent need of a gas station. OTOH, I-90 in Wyo., ~90 mph, 20-30 mph headwind, empty tank at 189 miles. Coughed and sputtered up the exit ramp near Sundance, Wyo. I many western states 50-60 miles between services, even on the main highways and interstates, is not terribly unusual. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Incidentally...do those big sport tourers give you considerably more range? ..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 12:38:46 2004 To: "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations Content-ID: <30973.1095784724.1@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:38:44 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >I am going to go cross-country next. I did a MD->FL->CA->WY->MD circuit last year, though by car, 23 days, not nearly enough time. >If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles before I run out of >essence It's easy to find yourself in a situation where the towns are 40 miles apart, there's one gas station per town, and the one you can reach closes early. >Must stops: Mine were CA, AZ, and UT. One (perhaps obvious) thing to note is that you'll need to be prepared for virtually every type of weather as you change latitude and elevation, even in September. It's easy to start the day at 100 degrees in the desert and end it at 25 degrees in the mountains. >Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? If you're willing to bring a laptop, then Delorme Street Atlas kicks ass, and can often save you from a dire emergency in which you may have to stop and ask somebody for directions. I tried a few others, they sucked in comparison. Even if you don't want to bring it with you, it's a useful "planning" tool to get a rough idea of how many miles are involved in your proposed route. It's easy to think "well, CA is 2600 miles away so out and back must be about 5000", but once you've laid out a long circuitous route, you can end up many thousands of miles over a "back of the envelope" estimate (I ended up at 9300 miles). >Is a GPS a must? I brought one with me, never found it to be particularly useful. Oh, and be flexible regarding "right of way": http://www.meretrix.com/~harry/tbt03/images/medium/10D_CRW_1609.jpg -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 12:42:08 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Aki Damme wrote: > Honda 1000? Protective gear would save his ass at > 200mph? Riiiiggght.... A rider recently went down at Maxton (standing mile) as he went through the traps at 180mph (chopped the throttle, tankslapper, spit him off). He got up and walked away from the crash. Ruined leathers and undergarments, I'm sure ;-) FYI, FWIW, YMMV, TGIF and all that :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 12:43:06 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:02:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > Dunno about "minor" modifications, must have been significantly modified, or the flying trooper fat-fingered the timing. Published top speeds I've seen for a stock CBR1000RR are in the upper 170s to lower 180s. Still enough to warrant a roadside chat, though, I expect. :-\ > I think the guy's stopwatch was off. I think it would take a quite a bit of tweaking to get that bike over 200mph. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 12:45:13 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , "'dc Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:45:03 -0400 Didn't it say the time for the 1/4 mile that he timed him on as 4.x seconds or so. Wouldn't take a lot to be off by 20-30mph. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:03 PM To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > Dunno about "minor" modifications, must have been significantly > modified, or the flying trooper fat-fingered the timing. Published > top speeds I've seen for a stock CBR1000RR are in the upper 170s to > lower 180s. Still enough to warrant a roadside chat, though, I > expect. :-\ > I think the guy's stopwatch was off. I think it would take a quite a bit of tweaking to get that bike over 200mph. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 13:02:42 2004 Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:02:34 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , "dc Cycles" Just curious.. Thought there were not that many mods you could do to a sport bike to gain extra speed. My limited understanding as an example is that after market pipes are for sound purposes basically. The Moto GP four strokes get up to about 187 or so...Is that the max speed of the bikes or the max speed the racers accept? -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:03 PM To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > Dunno about "minor" modifications, must have been significantly > modified, or the flying trooper fat-fingered the timing. Published > top speeds I've seen for a stock CBR1000RR are in the upper 170s to > lower 180s. Still enough to warrant a roadside chat, though, I > expect. :-\ > I think the guy's stopwatch was off. I think it would take a quite a bit of tweaking to get that bike over 200mph. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 13:13:43 2004 Subject: Netiquette Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:13:38 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "dc Cycles" PS...did not mean to come across as "snarky" towards Mr. Kitchell. I had a best friend in grade school and we used to cal him Sparky (Mark) so the characters typed themselves. Just jealous I cannot attend tonight. Everyone I have met on the list in person has been exceedingly cool\nice to talk to and this includes Mark. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 13:15:12 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:15:01 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , Wayne Edelen , dc Cycles Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 You have to wonder, when factory team racers with oodles of support and expensive whatzits can't turn in better top speeds than some joker on a highway in Minnesota. Musta been downhill with one helluva tailwind. :) Out of the box, not even close to 205 mph. Sportrider sez 175. http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_perf_nums/ -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Just curious.. Thought there were not that many mods you could do to a sport bike to gain extra speed. My limited understanding as an example is that after market pipes are for sound purposes basically. The Moto GP four strokes get up to about 187 or so...Is that the max speed of the bikes or the max speed the racers accept? -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:03 PM To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > Dunno about "minor" modifications, must have been significantly > modified, or the flying trooper fat-fingered the timing. Published > top speeds I've seen for a stock CBR1000RR are in the upper 170s to > lower 180s. Still enough to warrant a roadside chat, though, I > expect. :-\ > I think the guy's stopwatch was off. I think it would take a quite a bit of tweaking to get that bike over 200mph. -- Wayne Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 13:16:30 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:16:27 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 At 01:02 PM 9/21/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >My limited understanding as an example is that after market pipes are >for sound purposes basically. WAG: Slip-on - 1-2 HP Full system - 2-5 HP Air kit, jetting - 1-2 HP NOS, Turbo - Lots Gearing change - easily increase top end with loss of low end. I went the other way, I probably top out at 145 instead of 155 now. I don't miss it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 13:17:57 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:17:44 EDT Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I went on my R6 and stopped every 100-130 miles for gas and a break. I only ran out of gas once. About a quarter mile from the gas station and right off the exit ramp to get there. I forget which state it was in but, it was due to a LLOOOOONNNNNGGGGGGGGG stretch of exits with no services. D'oh. I also took a GPS and road atlas. Had a dc adapter installed on the bike to power the gps. You'll go through a million batteries without one. :-) Scooter In a message dated 9/21/2004 11:14:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious as to the following: What bike would you vets recommend as the best? If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles before I run out of essence I want to pack lighter than what I took on my trip North I start thinking of the places I want to visit and I grin from ear to ear Must stops: Colorado Montana Washington California Arizona Ideal: New Orleans on the way back You have no idea how much I dreamt about these places..I have always made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. Specifics: Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? Is a GPS a must? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 13:18:34 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh yeah? Check out this link: http://localhost.nl/stuff/movies/motor/?C=M;O=A right click and save as.... on the video NLRturbo.wmv not much of a mod there! ;-) Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > Just curious.. Thought there were not that many > mods you could do to a > sport bike to gain extra speed. > My limited understanding as an example is that after > market pipes are > for sound purposes basically. > > The Moto GP four strokes get up to about 187 or > so...Is that the max > speed of the bikes or the max speed the racers > accept? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:03 PM > To: dc Cycles > Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Dunno about "minor" modifications, must have been > significantly > > modified, or the flying trooper fat-fingered the > timing. Published > > top speeds I've seen for a stock CBR1000RR are in > the upper 170s to > > lower 180s. Still enough to warrant a roadside > chat, though, I > > expect. :-\ > > > > I think the guy's stopwatch was off. I think it > would take a quite a > bit of tweaking to get that bike over 200mph. > > -- Wayne > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 13:27:38 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'julian@XXXXXX'" Subject: That time of year Gear Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:30:46 -0400 Julian chummed with: "Does anyone have recommendations on a glove for the winter season?" Awww lotsa good recommendations but I'll throw in my 2[Alt]155 (I've been away) [JH]: My reqs: - keep hands warm enough to ride through season [Carl]: Gerbing electrics are the cat's pajamas when it gets really frosty. Yeah, they cost a bunch; you can usually get 10-15% off looking for local open houses and coupons in WRMT. For intermediate cool-weather, grip heaters are great with any gloves. Get the over-the-grip ones for immediate relief. Put a switch on your left mirror stalk within thumb reach unless you opt for a Heat Troller. (Drop a hint for Xmas) I've tried a lot of combinations (below) but the Gerbings are the best when it gets really cold: Hippo Hands: Great for around town but on the highway at speed, the top pressed on my hands. Over mitts: OR mitts (at REI) are great for anytime rainy weather and add some warmth to whatever you have under them. Need to put some beads of Goop over the palms to improve grip traction. I'd guess that the Aerostitch Triple Digit glove cover (Thanx to JW Kalmes) would be better. Paste "glove cover" in the search Mittens: I actually got some motorcycle mittens 10-12 years ago. Had to special order them. They were an improvement over regular gloves. Neoprene Gloves: Wally Mert has 'em during hunting season for ~$10. Nice warm and rain proof. But, I got the willies thinking about how much traction they'd have if I took a spill. Maybe best as a liner? "Winter Gloves": See cheap below. Any bulky glove with a large gauntlet is difficult to keep in a pocket. After I lost a Bates (& they wouldn't sell me one glove) I put boot strings on all of my big gloves. The string fits around my neck during and after driving. When you park, the hanging love provides a handy pocket for keys and shades. You can often score "winter gloves" at local open houses. May be the Italian Motofest. this weekend FWIW, Bartley's upstairs "clearance" rack has/had some gen-u-wine Hardley "Storm Thingie" gloves for $20. I bought a pair and plan to spritz 'm with Camp Dry. If naught else, they'll be good for shoveling snow or waiting for the bus. [JH]: - allow decent grip control no Franken-hands Warm, light and cheap. Sure, which two will you settle for? [JH]:I have thought about heated gear but am wondering: - does re-wiring bike impact performance\life in an way? [Carl]: No (& amen to the others' comments) To add to Bartman's comment. Radio Shack also has some 10 gauge water-resistant blade-fuse holders. I've simply soldered a ring connector to one end to hook to the positive battery terminal. That keeps the unfused segment short. You should also consider putting a relay twixt the fuse and the electrics. Use an ignition-switched source to switch the relay on and off so, you don't drain the battery accidentally if you leave your gloves attached. Put a switch (or HeatTroller) between the ignition-switched source and the relay. With shorter days, everyone should consider adding driving lights for both greater illumination of the road (& horny horned forest vermin) as well as greater conspicuousness to the BDCs. You can use the same wiring scheme (batt-> Fuse -> relay -> lights: Ignition -> switch -> relay) for your lights Other: Also consider a Polartec sweater for a jacket liner. My 200 fits under my 'Stich and is good down to ~ 35F (with a wind shield) Ditto Polartec pants. Ditto a swatch of Polartec from G Street fabrics to wrap or Velcro around your neck. Over to you Mike. Carl back in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (Still in Boston) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 13:28:53 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:28:40 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:02:34 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > The Moto GP four strokes get up to about 187 or so...Is that the max > speed of the bikes or the max speed the racers accept? Actually, the 230+ hp Ducati Desmosedici has been clocked in excess of 205mph (330 kp/h). -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 14:23:18 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > > I am going to go cross-country next. I am curious as to the following: > What bike would you vets recommend as the best? > If I go on my R6 I am limited to 140 or so miles before I run out of > essence > I want to pack lighter than what I took on my trip North > I start thinking of the places I want to visit and I grin from ear to > ear > > Must stops: > Colorado > Montana > Washington > California > Arizona > > Ideal: New Orleans on the way back > > You have no idea how much I dreamt about these places..I have always > made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. > Go to the Iron Butt site (http://www.ironbutt.org). They have recommendations for what gear to consider. I used it and Colonel Holbrook's pages (http://users.net1plus.com/holbrook/mark.htm) to create my own packing list: http://www.schelin.org/touring/inventory/inventory.html (which contains links to the iron butt and holbrook's sites). It doesn't mean that I'll take everything on my list, however I will consider it before leaving. > Specifics: > Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? I've been using Microsoft Streets & Trips, recommended by a fellow lister. It's worked pretty well so far even though it's missing a few roads and place names here and there. > Is a GPS a must? I don't think so and I get, well, confused from time to time :-) A good map is much better. Waterproof is nice as are the newer segmented maps I've been seeing. I've considered a GPS but haven't actually made a decision yet. Oh, and we're in Denver so feel free to drop by if you need a place to crash. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 14:38:20 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: earplugs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > At 10:52 AM 9/21/2004, Skip wrote: > >harbor freight. > > > >$18 for 200 pair > > > >http://www.harborfreighttools.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=91217 > > "noise reduction rating of 22 dB" Decent price for a lot of plugs. Try > > eBay too. > > I picked up a set that look like generic shooters plugs at Wal-Mart last > > week. 29 db reduction. Better than any of the others I have tried and > fit > really well. I'm finally done with all of the Hearos I ordered a couple > of > years ago. They didn't fit my noggin very well. > I use the wally-world white foam plugs rated at 35db I think. The things last for several days of touring before I have to replace them, what with finger gunk and ear wax they lose their ability to fill the canal. I've also used the orange foam ones which maintain their shape but have a lower db rating. The problem is that once they get wet, they're damn near impossible to keep in the ear. Mine kept popping out. I finally pulled a spare set out of my packs and used the white foam ones. I also have a spare set of the swimmers plugs (on a string) in my gear. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 14:47:13 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > All the HD and other cruiser types will have to forgive me. I'm sure > they can work great for a long distance trip, but after my Shadow, I'm > done with the cruiser class. Just don't have any real good opinions to > offer there. What kinds of problems did you have on the Shadow? I've put 35k on my Softail driving around the country (http://www.schelin.org/touring/touring.html). I don't like windshields, too much turbulance. I replaced my stock seat with a corbin and a backrest, moved the forward controls 3" farther forward and added heel rests and then upped the performance with a stage one kit. I need to modify my heel rest position because of the new boots but that's it. > > --smthng Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 14:57:18 2004 Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:57:15 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > What kinds of problems did you have on the Shadow? No real problems, I just didn't like it. I wouldn't have gotten it in the first place if it weren't an amazing deal (and to help out a friend who needed to part with it... long story) and that it was a gorgeous bike... Fully loaded ACE 1100, which then got a bunch more accessories by the time I realized that it wasn't going to get any better. It just confirmed my suspicions that I'm not "a cruiser guy". Give me my inline-4 RPMs and horsepower any day. Nothing wrong with the bike, jut not the bike for me. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 15:01:30 2004 From: Steve McCollom To: "Julian Halton" , "dc Cycles" Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [192.168.1.1] at Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:01:26 -0500 > From: "Julian Halton" > The Moto GP four strokes get up to about 187 or so...Is that the max > speed of the bikes or the max speed the racers accept? > Biaggi's Honda has hit 338.6 kph (210 mph) in qualifying at both Catalunya and Mugello this year. I think Duhamel was clocked at 195 mph at Brainerd on the AMA Superbike version CBR1000RR. Looks like this guy in Minnesota should have no problem getting his ticket reduced to 175 or thereabouts. :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 15:02:54 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:14:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Don't know about the tourers. My Softail gave me almost 50mpg when we went the Boise -> Eugene -> San Francisco -> Yosemite -> Las Vegas -> home route, 42 otherwise. With a 4.5 gallon tank (listed as 5 but a half gallon is lost over the hump) I can go about 230 miles before filling up. It works out to be the same on the Hayabusa. I get about 45mpg on it but I get the full benefit of the 5 gallon tank so about 230 miles before a fill-up. Remember, fill up and pee when opportunity presents itself :-) Carl --- Julian Halton wrote: > Incidentally...do those big sport tourers give you considerably more > range? ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 15:15:54 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:15:46 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 At 01:16 PM 9/21/2004, Troutman wrote: >At 01:02 PM 9/21/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >>My limited understanding as an example is that after >>market pipes are >>for sound purposes basically. > >WAG: >Slip-on - 1-2 HP >Full system - 2-5 HP >Air kit, jetting - 1-2 HP >NOS, Turbo - Lots >Gearing change - easily increase top end with loss of low >end. I went the other way, I probably top out at 145 >instead of 155 now. I don't miss it. ...a couple of years ago HOT BIKE did a test of several exhaust systems and compared them with several slip-ons and they found that, for example, the HD SEII slipons delivered as much HP as a full exhaust system. And *some* full exhaust systems actually lowered overall HP. I think it really depends on the system and what else has been done with the bike. My SEII slipons on my Wideglide along with rejetting and a K&N filter raised my HP by 10 HP. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 15:22:36 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:22:29 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Netiquette Cc: dc Cycles Careful there, Julian! It's not normal on this list to ever offer an apology, much less an un-prompted one! Just watch what you're saying, we don't want this sort of behaviour to start a trend! Robert (Tongue firmly in cheek, thank you!) On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:13:38 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > PS...did not mean to come across as "snarky" towards Mr. Kitchell. I > had a best friend in grade school and we used to cal him Sparky (Mark) > so the characters typed themselves. Just jealous I cannot attend > tonight. Everyone I have met on the list in person has been exceedingly > cool\nice to talk to and this includes Mark. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 15:42:48 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:40:36 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations At 11:33 AM 9/21/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >All the HD and other cruiser types will have to forgive me. I'm sure >they can work great for a long distance trip, but after my Shadow, I'm >done with the cruiser class. Just don't have any real good opinions to >offer there. H-D has several types of bikes. Some are better for long trips than others. The Sportsters for instance, are not. Short range (though there's a model or two this year with decent size tank), and small (i.e. not as much place to pack things) with relatively stiff suspensions. You can mod them a lot of course, but as they come, they aren't your top choice for a long trip. The dynas will make long trips too, but they are usually rigged out more for bar hopping and day trips. Again, they can be modded a lot if you want to do things like adding saddle bags, luggage racks, etc.. The Softails vary a lot. A Heritage wouldn't be bad for a long trip if it fits you right. I'd want my seat modified to better fit me if I was going to try to do more than 300 miles in a day (did that once so far...was pretty sore in the back and backside by the end). H-D's models for long trips are the Road Kings though. The Ultra is the top of the line for that. Squishy seats, radios and CBs, intercoms, garage door openers, upper and lower fairings, etc., etc.. It's the H-D equivalent of the Honda Goldwing. There are a couple of Road Kings that aren't really intended for touring primarily, like the Road King Custom, but that's mostly a matter of what extras are bolted onto it when it's delivered...they all have the same frame, engine and suspension. There are "cruisers", and then there are "cruisers". They aren't all the same, though to those who haven't taken the time to study them, they probably all look as alike as sportbikes do to me. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 15:46:47 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:46:39 -0400 To: Harry Mantakos , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations At 12:38 PM 9/21/04 -0400, Harry Mantakos wrote: >Oh, and be flexible regarding "right of way": > http://www.meretrix.com/~harry/tbt03/images/medium/10D_CRW_1609.jpg Is the rule: If it has more horns than you do, yield? ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 16:20:12 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ItalianMotoFest Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:19:55 -0400 Who's going? What's a "good" way to get there? http://www.italianmotofest.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 16:35:37 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:34:46 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: Subject: Bike Night tonight (anyone going earlier than 6:30 p.m.?) Just curious . . . I know that it is late, but I am talking myself out of going to Bike Night tonight. Is anyone going there before 6:30 p.m.? I get off work at 5:00 p.m. and I am already in D.C. (13th & I, NW). I really do not want to hang around D.C. for an hour and a half to go to bike night. I would rather jump on HOV and head home. I could be home about the time it started, and I know if I get home, the last thing I want to do is come back to D.C. However, if anyone or a group are going over before 6:30 p.m., I may consider going. I do not really just want to ride the bike around D.C. for awhile either--especially when I would probably get lost. Thanks in advance, Judy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 16:36:55 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:36:42 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ItalianMotoFest On a Ducati! :P On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:19:55 -0400, rich hall wrote: > Who's going? > What's a "good" way to get there? -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 17:02:44 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Night tonight (anyone going earlier than 6:30 p.m.?) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:02:39 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Judy La Follette" Cc: > Is anyone going there before 6:30 p.m.? I will probably be there around 5:45 'ish. Planning on leaving here (Herndon) in a few minutes and getting there as soon as traffic allows. I'll be on a blue FZ1 with lots of bags and will be wearing a blue mesh jacket and a red helmet. Color coordination is still a skill I'm working on. :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 17:06:58 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: ItalianMotoFest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm going. I get the repaired bandit back on Saturday, so the ride out there will be a good test. I'll take it at a nice, easy pace. Dunno if I'll be flying solo or with a buddy - depends on if he has to watch the kids or not. Brian --- rich hall wrote: > Who's going? > What's a "good" way to get there? > > http://www.italianmotofest.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 17:30:55 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night tonight (anyone going earlier than 6:30 p.m.?) To: Judy La Follette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I will be there by 6. --- Judy La Follette wrote: > Just curious . . . I know that it is late, but I am > talking myself out of going to Bike Night tonight. > > Is anyone going there before 6:30 p.m.? I get off > work at 5:00 p.m. and I am already in D.C. (13th & > I, NW). I really do not want to hang around D.C. > for an hour and a half to go to bike night. I would > rather jump on HOV and head home. I could be home > about the time it started, and I know if I get home, > the last thing I want to do is come back to D.C. > However, if anyone or a group are going over before > 6:30 p.m., I may consider going. I do not really > just want to ride the bike around D.C. for awhile > either--especially when I would probably get lost. > > Thanks in advance, > > Judy > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 17:56:52 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: dc Cycles Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Just curious.. Thought there were not that many mods you could do to a > sport bike to gain extra speed. > My limited understanding as an example is that after market pipes are > for sound purposes basically. > > The Moto GP four strokes get up to about 187 or so...Is that the max > speed of the bikes or the max speed the racers accept? Exhaust, tuning, airbox, head work, cams, stroker, bore only, stroked and bored, turbo, nitrous, gearing... the list goes on and on. A 1999-2000 Hayabusa will run 194mph bone stock. No matter the gearing, it doesn't have the aero/HP to run 200mph. All bikes from '01 on are limited to 187mph (300kph), so it takes a resistor-mod to make the 'Busa run with it's unrestricted older brothers :-) So to answer your question, you can do a lot to modern sportbikes to increase HP and top end. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 18:22:20 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:19:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:38 PM 9/21/04 -0400, Harry Mantakos wrote: > > >Oh, and be flexible regarding "right of way": > > http://www.meretrix.com/~harry/tbt03/images/medium/10D_CRW_1609.jpg > > Is the rule: If it has more horns than you do, yield? ;-) I wouldn't count on that. I met a bull with only one horn while going over the Ohio pass. He still had right of way though :-) > > > -- Mike B. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 19:37:52 2004 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:35:37 -0400 Subject: Crossing the country From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Bike-- It doesn't matter. Run what you got. Take whatever bike you have. If you begin thinking "I have to have this bike or that bike in order to make this trip or that trip" you might delay the ride.The ride is the thing. The gas stops are an excuse to talk to people. Last spring I met a guy from Baltimore who was riding to California on a 49 cc scooter--whacking away at the miles at a steady 35 mph. What to take-- Summer of '03 I rode to Costa Rica and back and took the following-- 3 pairs of socks, 3 sets of underwear, 3 shirts, 2 pairs of pants, and toilet articles. GPS-- others here will disagree, but any decent map in the US will get you there. Hell, getting lost is half the fun!!! I have a pal who rode around the world with an out of date grade school atlas and a $2.00 compass. Just do it man!! Long distance motorcycle travel is a life changing experience. Bob, If your mind wanders--ride after it !!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 20:13:08 2004 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:10:54 -0400 Subject: Italian Motofest From: Bob McKeithen To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net I'll be there on Sunday driving my sidecar bike and will have the MSF "drunk goggles" for those of you think riding and drinking is a good idea. Say hello. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 20:25:27 2004 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:23:12 -0400 Subject: note to Bartman From: Bob McKeithen To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net A "cushy seat" does not make a good long distance butt rest. Firm and supportive will get you through a multi-hundred mile day. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 21:26:43 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: note to Bartman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bob McKeithen wrote: > A "cushy seat" does not make a good long distance butt rest. Firm and > supportive will get you through a multi-hundred mile day. I have to agree there. My corbin is a very stiff seat but is quite comfortable. > > Bob > > Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 21:31:39 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:31:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: note to Bartman At 09:21 PM 9/21/2004, you wrote: >--- Bob McKeithen wrote: > > > A "cushy seat" does not make a good long distance butt > rest. Firm and > > supportive will get you through a multi-hundred mile > day. > >I have to agree there. My corbin is a very stiff seat but >is quite >comfortable. > > > > > Bob > > > > I've gone through 5 (counting the stock seat) seats on my bike until I found one that works for me: 1. Stock - good for about 50 miles. 2. Saddlemen - sat me too far forward..sold it on e-bay and made $20 more than I paid for it. 3. Corbin - rock hard. Backrest was "ok" but the seat edges cut off my circulation after a couple hundred miles. - sold on e-bay..lost about $50. 4. Mustang pillow seat - very comfortable, could ride for several hundred miles with no pain but no backrest. - returned to vendor - credited all but $20 for s/h. 5. Mustang Wide Touring with backrest - VERY comfortable with a much nicer backrest than the Corbin. It's also softer than the Corbin but still firm enough not to cause back fatigue. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 22:00:13 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:00:04 -0400 Julian, et al, changing your intake setup, exhaust system, or even adding turbo/nitrous, etc. will not increase the top speed of a vehicle. Top speed is equal to redline x gear ratio x tire circumference (put in simplest terms). Thusly, the only ways to increase top speed are to alter the redline, change gear ratios, and/or tire size. Assuming you don't change the rev limiter on the bike, and use the factory supplied tires, we can mathematically prove that an RR can easily travel at speeds over 200mph. After some googling, I found all of the '04 CBR1000RR gear ratios and rear tire size at: http://world.honda.com/news/2004/2040331.html I plugged this information into GearCalc. Handy program from: http://ironjungle.com At redline (11,650RPM) in 6th gear, the bike should be going about 182mph. This is close enough to the published top speed of 175mph for this demonstration. By increasing the front sprocket by one tooth, and decreasing the rear by three teeth, the new top speed at 11,650rpm is about 210mph. A pair of gears can be bought easily for under $100. Even if these sizes aren't production sizes, gears can easily be custom made. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 22:27:16 2004 From: "John Finity" To: Subject: E*A*Rsoft FX earplugs @ $20 / 200 - highest NRR rating 33db Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:27:20 -0400 I was looking at these last night, as recommendation from another motorycle list link I ran into. I don't have anything to do with them; just saw that they were the highest rated noise reduction rating (NRR) than the others mentioned. Your actual mileage may vary. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 23:07:11 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Thanks MK To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Kudos to Mark Kitchell for setting up a VF cool Bike Night in "Chocolate City" :) I had a great time, saw Jonathan K (whoa, another JK!) Mike L., Corbett, Shigeru, Lisa and Jay, Paul, Rich Westerbrook. Many more attended whom I did not meet, and also saw a buncha Monster hooligan-types (not on DC-C). The burgers were good, the beer was cold and I made it home safely. Excellent lil Tuesday night adventure. Let's do Adams Morgan again soon! I did not get a chance to meet (the real ;) mr-vfr w/ 135K on his 94-97's odo. Damn. I thought I was a serious motorcyclist... LOL. As usual, VFRs outnumbered other models, but I think Ducati (all models) beat the number of VFRs. Thanks again, Mark. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 21 23:38:18 2004 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:22:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > After some googling, I found all of the '04 CBR1000RR gear ratios and > rear > tire size at: > http://world.honda.com/news/2004/2040331.html I found the Hayabusa settings at a couple of places and had to go to a calculator site for the tire circumference. Same with the Harley, although I got puzzling info for the tires. > > I plugged this information into GearCalc. Handy program from: > http://ironjungle.com I plugged the info into this program. > > At redline (11,650RPM) in 6th gear, the bike should be going about > 182mph. And got redline on the 'busa (10,900) in 6th gear and the bike should be going about 203mph. On the Harley, redline (6,000 due to stage 1 kit) in 5th gear and the bike should be going 143mph. > > By increasing the front sprocket by one tooth, and decreasing the rear > by three teeth, the new top speed at 11,650rpm is about 210mph. I don't know and probably don't really need to be even trying to get the 'busa going that fast. At a pretty high speed (for me), I thought I was going to get blown off the back :-) Thanks for the tech pointers. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 04:19:48 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Careful on Reston Parkway....OIL Down Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:41:32 -0400 Just a word of caution if you're heading South (away from Reston Town Center) on Reston Parkway just before, and through, the intersection of Sunrise Valley Drive. Looks like a bus blew his motor and dumped oil along the Right hand lane. Rob '98 VFR800 (Over 40k and loving this cool weather!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 07:13:00 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:12:56 -0400 Lots of things you can do. Aftermarket pipe and a power commander (the fuel injection equivalent of rejetting--allows you to remap the fuel/air ratio and (on the fancy model) the ignition curve) will give you more power just about any bike. Then you've got the plethora of "Superbike" stuff--everything the superbike class does to go faster (milling down the head to bump up compression, yada, yada, yada). They get lots more power--I think they're pushing 180 or 190 HP these days, but not enough to go 200mph. What'd they get in Daytona? 190mph? Even with factory backing & uber-mechanics, 200 mph is not really happening. Each mph is costing serious HP when you get up near that speed. So, really, if you want 200mph: Turbo or nitrous, smaller front sprocket, bigger back sprocket. MotoGP bikes are breaking 200mph on at least one track. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" ; "dc Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 > Just curious.. Thought there were not that many mods you could do to a > sport bike to gain extra speed. > My limited understanding as an example is that after market pipes are > for sound purposes basically. > > The Moto GP four strokes get up to about 187 or so...Is that the max > speed of the bikes or the max speed the racers accept? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:03 PM > To: dc Cycles > Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > >> Dunno about "minor" modifications, must have been significantly >> modified, or the flying trooper fat-fingered the timing. Published >> top speeds I've seen for a stock CBR1000RR are in the upper 170s to >> lower 180s. Still enough to warrant a roadside chat, though, I >> expect. :-\ >> > > I think the guy's stopwatch was off. I think it would take a quite a > bit of tweaking to get that bike over 200mph. > > -- Wayne > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 08:17:20 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Julian, et al, changing your intake setup, exhaust system, or even adding > turbo/nitrous, etc. will not increase the top speed of a vehicle. Top speed > is equal to redline x gear ratio x tire circumference (put in simplest > terms). Thusly, the only ways to increase top speed are to alter the > redline, change gear ratios, and/or tire size. Uh, you need to HP to pull the bike there, not just the gearing. :-) > By increasing the front sprocket by one tooth, and decreasing the rear by > three teeth, the new top speed at 11,650rpm is about 210mph. > > A pair of gears can be bought easily for under $100. Even if these sizes > aren't production sizes, gears can easily be custom made. Again, without adding HP, that bike will not hit 200+. Adding taller gears would just slow it's acceleration. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 08:24:46 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:24:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 Cc: From: Randy Moran On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 07:12 AM, Jon Strang wrote: > So, really, if you want 200mph: Turbo or nitrous, smaller > front sprocket, bigger back sprocket. I thought you wanted a SMALLER back sprocket for more top end. I'm not that smart, though. RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 08:34:09 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Jon Strang wrote: > Even with factory backing & uber-mechanics, 200 mph is not really happening. > Each mph is costing serious HP when you get up near that speed. So, really, > if you want 200mph: Turbo or nitrous, smaller front sprocket, bigger back > sprocket. There are a handful of bikes that are going 200 in the standing mile at Maxton. 0-200 or more in a standing mile. The fastest out there is Rich Yancy's street ridden Turbo 'Busa at 251mph. A buddy of mine with a ZX12 has a record at 204.7mph there. That particular bike, with different gearing, has gone a best of 8.8@161 in the 1/4, too. Here are a few videos of him running at Maxton... Launches - http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/video/ecta_oct02_berg.wmv 194mph helmet cam view - http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/video/194mph.wmv And yes, the surface there really does suck that bad :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 08:37:09 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:56:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Randy Moran wrote: > > So, really, if you want 200mph: Turbo or nitrous, smaller > > front sprocket, bigger back sprocket. > > I thought you wanted a SMALLER back sprocket for more top end. I'm not > that smart, though. You're correct, Randy. Taller gear is a bigger front or smaller rear sprocket. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 09:15:13 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:15:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Thomas Jordan wrote: Top speed > is equal to redline x gear ratio x tire circumference (put in simplest > terms). Thusly, the only ways to increase top speed are to alter the > redline, change gear ratios, and/or tire size. Uh, you need to HP to pull the bike there, not just the gearing. :-) > By increasing the front sprocket by one tooth, and decreasing the rear by > three teeth, the new top speed at 11,650rpm is about 210mph. > > A pair of gears can be bought easily for under $100. Even if these sizes > aren't production sizes, gears can easily be custom made. Again, without adding HP, that bike will not hit 200+. Adding taller gears would just slow it's acceleration. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ ---- Psst, hey buddy wanna see my 200-mph VFR? ;-) If all you have to do is change the gearing. Let's not forget that motorcycles are not terribly efficient vehicles aerodynamically. I'm but a lowly architect so I may get this wrong: drag increases as a square of the speed. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 09:17:25 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:17:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks MK -----Original Message----- From: John Kozyn Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Kudos to Mark Kitchell for setting up a VF cool Bike Night in "Chocolate City" :) ...... Let's do Adams Morgan again soon! ...... Thanks again, Mark. JK (D-mode) ---- Yes, super bike night. Let's do that again. Maybe I'll take a different bike next time instead of the ubiquitous VFR. :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 09:29:30 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:25:51 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Paul Wilson wrote: > <>-----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen > <>Again, without adding HP, that bike will not hit 200+. Adding taller > gears would just slow it's acceleration. > > > Psst, hey buddy wanna see my 200-mph VFR? ;-) If all you have to do is > change the gearing. > > Let's not forget that motorcycles are not terribly efficient vehicles > aerodynamically. I'm but a lowly architect so I may get this wrong: > drag increases as a square of the speed. > > Aerodynamics are going to be the biggest problem here. As long as you have enough land that is. I remember ( and I am looking for ) someone using a 80's VFR motor mounted in a fighterjet external fuel cell. It got over 200mph. No major work was done to the motor. But then again, not many dragsters are very aerodynamic.... >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR > > > Tom de '98 VTR --> forsale From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 09:35:21 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Thomas Jordan" , Subject: RE: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:35:48 -0400 True top speed of 175 makes sense, since honda speedo's read a little high. Using a GPS (which I am not sure how accurate it is for speed) my speedo reads about ~5 mph high at a speedo indicated 75 mph (so I am really traveling 70mph). So assuming the bike has enough power you could easily just swap gearing and get more top speed. Rob On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:00:04 -0400, Thomas Jordan wrote > Julian, et al, changing your intake setup, exhaust system, or even adding > turbo/nitrous, etc. will not increase the top speed of a vehicle. > Top speed is equal to redline x gear ratio x tire circumference (put > in simplest terms). Thusly, the only ways to increase top speed are > to alter the redline, change gear ratios, and/or tire size. > > Assuming you don't change the rev limiter on the bike, and use the factory > supplied tires, we can mathematically prove that an RR can easily > travel at speeds over 200mph. > > After some googling, I found all of the '04 CBR1000RR gear ratios > and rear tire size at: http://world.honda.com/news/2004/2040331.html > > I plugged this information into GearCalc. Handy program from: > http://ironjungle.com > > At redline (11,650RPM) in 6th gear, the bike should be going about 182mph. > This is close enough to the published top speed of 175mph for this > demonstration. > > By increasing the front sprocket by one tooth, and decreasing the > rear by three teeth, the new top speed at 11,650rpm is about 210mph. > > A pair of gears can be bought easily for under $100. Even if these sizes > aren't production sizes, gears can easily be custom made. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 09:35:43 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:35:37 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Thanks MK Cc: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Agreed - good time. Thanks for setting it up Mark. On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:17:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00), Paul Wilson wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: John Kozyn > > Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, > > Kudos to Mark Kitchell for setting up a VF cool Bike Night in > "Chocolate City" :) > > ...... > > Let's do Adams Morgan again soon! > > ...... > > Thanks again, Mark. > > JK (D-mode) > ---- > > Yes, super bike night. Let's do that again. Maybe I'll take a different bike next time instead of the ubiquitous VFR. :) > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 09:36:43 2004 From: To: Sean Jordan , Subject: Re: Re: ItalianMotoFest Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 9:36:35 -0400 When is it? Or did I miss it this year? please reply to: michaelj@XXXXXX Michael J. (from St. Moritz) > > From: Sean Jordan > Date: 2004/09/21 Tue PM 04:36:42 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: ItalianMotoFest > > On a Ducati! > > :P > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:19:55 -0400, rich hall wrote: > > Who's going? > > What's a "good" way to get there? > > > > -- > Sean Jordan > Shoot to Thrill Photography > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 10:03:46 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Re: ItalianMotoFest To: michaelj@XXXXXX, DC Cycles No you didn't miss it (yet) - when are you coming back? It's this Sunday, Sept. 26th. Shepherdstown, WV. See http://www.italianmotofest.com/ --- mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > When is it? Or did I miss it this year? > > please reply to: michaelj@XXXXXX > > Michael J. > (from St. Moritz) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 10:19:26 2004 From: Steve McCollom To: Paul Wilson , Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 9:19:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [192.168.1.4] at Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:19:22 -0500 > > From: Paul Wilson > Let's not forget that motorcycles are not terribly efficient vehicles aerodynamically. I'm but a lowly architect so I may get this wrong: drag increases as a square of the speed. > Yes, the force exerted by fluid drag increases by the square of velocity. Therefore the power (force times velocity) required to overcome that drag increases by the cube of the velocity. Let's say a 160-HP bike has a drag-limited top speed of 175 mph. It would need (200/175)(200/175)(200/175)X 160 or about 240 HP to achieve 200 mph. Regardless of how many teeth are on the sprockets. :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 10:30:53 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:30:42 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... You're forgetting something. Motorcycles are not geared for top speed from the factory. They are geared for optimal average performance - i.e - a balance between acceleration and top speed that best suits the motorcycle for everyday street use for the average rider. Just beacuse the stock gearing is only good for X mph is no indication of what the bike is capable of. If you go buy a giant, flying-saucer rear sprocket for a GSX-R1000 like the "stuntaz" do ... it'll stand on its rear wheel with just a twitch of the throttle. If you wound it out, it would probably hit a top speed of about 100mph in 6th gear at redline. Obviously, this isn't the optimal set up for the average rider, thus the factory puts on taller gearing. The inverse then is also true - you can put on taller gearing, have slower acceleration, and achieve higher top speed. We do it every weekend at racetracks - we gear the bikes so that we are right in the powerband in 6th gear before hitting the brakes for T1. Summit Point requires radically different gearing than Daytona International Speedway. You run taller gearing than stock at most long-straight racetracks - and the bike doesn't have a problem pulling it. While it is true there is a hard limit as to how fast a bike can go given X horsepower and X gearing, it's a fairly complicated equation that takes into account wind resistance, drag, and weight. And since the rider plays a big part in all three of those variables, you'd be hard pressed to get an exact calculation. If you got the wind tunnel numbers, the wet weight of the bike, and a HP calulator ... you could get close, but I haven't seen anyone here do that yet :) Given a long enough road (Say, a highway in MN), and tall enough gearing ... the new liter bikes can hit 200+ mph (if the CDI doesn't restrict it). Racebikes at Daytona are damn near hitting that with only a mile of track (The chicane on the backstretch to T1 off the tri-oval), and the limiting factor is the *tires* - they are spinning on the banking because the bikes are putting down too much HP. Take that same bike, put taller gearing on it to stop the wheel spin, and give it three miles of road ... you'll see 200+ easily. - Roach > Again, without adding HP, that bike will not hit 200+. Adding taller > gears would just slow it's acceleration. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 10:35:19 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:35:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ItalianMotoFest -----Original Message----- From: rich hall Who's going? What's a "good" way to get there? http://www.italianmotofest.com/ ------ Generally, two wheels are better than four. :) I might be persuaded to lead a group ride out there via Harper's Ferry and the more fun back roads. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 10:52:23 2004 Subject: RE: Thanks MK Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:52:20 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "John Kozyn" , > Kudos to Mark Kitchell for setting up a VF cool Bike Night in > "Chocolate City" :) Agreed... Had a good time. Interesting place, interesting people. 'Twas good to meet some of the owners of the pits of knowledge I've been scarfing the past few months. :) I also stopped by Thyme Out on the way home (I define "way home" as any route I chose to get there, even if it is the opposite direction). Had the pleasure of meeting Julian (again - didn't realize who that was till I saw him) and Mike. Also had the pleasure of dodging the deer that was in the MIDDLE of the exit ramp from Canal Road to 495. Good job I was covering both brakes at the time... He was a fair bit bigger than I. Only had one antler on him, so maybe I'm not the first to find him. Ah well... A good night indeed. :) --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 11:01:50 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:57:33 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , dc Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Ticket for 205 At 06:16 PM 9/21/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >A 1999-2000 Hayabusa will run 194mph bone stock. No matter the gearing, It also might be worth noting that human reaction time is about 2/10 second. If the cop was off that much in when he hit the stopwatch button (either at the start, the end or a combination of both) the actual speed could work out closer to 195 than 205. Do the math. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 11:16:24 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:08:58 -0400 To: Bob McKeithen , DC-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: note to Bartman At 08:23 PM 9/12/04 -0400, Bob McKeithen wrote: >A "cushy seat" does not make a good long distance butt rest. Firm and >supportive will get you through a multi-hundred mile day. Shouldn't it be both? You need a certain amount of structure to keep you where you should be so your back muscles etc. don't wear out from holding an awkward position, but if your seat is too firm you run the risk of something similar to bed sores, from bones cutting off circulation by putting pressure on localized spots. I've also read that personal "padding" can have a big effect on what sort of seat is best for you. The thinner folks do better with more seat squishiness, as they have little of their own, while better padded folks don't need that. My seat isn't very squishy at all, and supports very well, but after a number of hours in the saddle, my back and shoulders are getting pretty sore (it's not so much the miles as the hours really). I dunno for sure, as I haven't done all that many full days of riding yet, but opinions from those who have seem to vary pretty widely...as do their personal structures. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 11:50:10 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:44:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: Thanks MK Cc: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think we should call it VFR / Super-Motard night. :) That's the most KTM Dukes I've seen in one place. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer Agreed - good time. Thanks for setting it up Mark. On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:17:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00), Paul Wilson Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 11:55:55 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Randy Moran" Cc: Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:55:51 -0400 It was 7am. I needed coffee. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Moran" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: Re: Ticket for 205 > > On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 07:12 AM, Jon Strang wrote: > >> So, really, if you want 200mph: Turbo or nitrous, smaller >> front sprocket, bigger back sprocket. > > I thought you wanted a SMALLER back sprocket for more top end. I'm not > that smart, though. > > RPM > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 13:30:23 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:30:03 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:30:42 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: > While it is true there is a hard limit as to how fast a bike can go > given X horsepower and X gearing, it's a fairly complicated equation > that takes into account wind resistance, drag, and weight. A. Aren't wind resistance and drag the exact same thing? B. How does weight play any part in determing top speed? -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 13:50:19 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Thanks MK To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX No, THANK YOU Bike Night @ Asylum was definetely fun and a success. We had 40-50 bikes over the course of the night, which for their small parking area was just right. Good to see all those neat KTMs there. For the gent riding the orange KTM, please shoot me an email off-line. Pictures tomorrow. Mark --- John Kozyn wrote: > Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, > > Kudos to Mark Kitchell for setting up a VF cool Bike > Night in > "Chocolate City" :) > > I had a great time, saw Jonathan K (whoa, another > JK!) Mike L., > Corbett, Shigeru, Lisa and Jay, Paul, Rich > Westerbrook. Many more > attended whom I did not meet, and also saw a buncha > Monster > hooligan-types (not on DC-C). The burgers were good, > the beer was cold > and I made it home safely. Excellent lil Tuesday > night adventure. > > Let's do Adams Morgan again soon! > > I did not get a chance to meet (the real ;) mr-vfr > w/ 135K on his > 94-97's odo. Damn. I thought I was a serious > motorcyclist... LOL. As > usual, VFRs outnumbered other models, but I think > Ducati (all models) > beat the number of VFRs. > > Thanks again, Mark. > > JK (D-mode) > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download > now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 14:46:30 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:48:14 -0400 From: Skip To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Main Entry: horse)B·pow·er Pronunciation: 'hors-"pau(-&)r Function: noun 1 : the power that a horse exerts in pulling 2 : a unit of power equal in the U.S. to 746 watts and nearly equivalent to the English gravitational unit of the same name that equals 550 foot-pounds of work per second Sean Jordan wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:30:42 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: > > While it is true there is a hard limit as to how fast a bike can go > > given X horsepower and X gearing, it's a fairly complicated equation > > that takes into account wind resistance, drag, and weight. > > A. Aren't wind resistance and drag the exact same thing? > > B. How does weight play any part in determing top speed? > > -- > Sean Jordan > Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 14:53:04 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:52:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:30:42 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: > While it is true there is a hard limit as to how fast a bike can go > given X horsepower and X gearing, it's a fairly complicated equation > that takes into account wind resistance, drag, and weight. A. Aren't wind resistance and drag the exact same thing? B. How does weight play any part in determing top speed? ----- Seems to me "wind resistance" (the size of the hole you're punching in the air) is one component of drag, but not the only one. Drag induces all sorts of forces on a moving body, including lift and suction. As another poster and I commented, drag forces increase as the square of velocity. As long as power unlimited, no problem; but for a given power rating there is a theoretical top speed due to drag. Vehicle weight has little bearing on top speed, only on how quickly you get to top speed. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 15:44:38 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:44:35 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Thanks MK At 10:52 AM 9/22/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >I also stopped by Thyme Out on the way home (I define "way home" as any >route I chose to get there, even if it is the opposite direction). Had >the pleasure of meeting Julian (again - didn't realize who that was till >I saw him) and Mike. It was nice meeting both of you. Hope we can do that again sometime soon. >Also had the pleasure of dodging the deer that was >in the MIDDLE of the exit ramp from Canal Road to 495. Good job I was You went out to 495? I thought you were going in and down through D.C. or across Chain Bridge. Next time, try this route to the beltway: Bethesda Rd. to Arlington. Left at the light onto Arlington. Arlington to Bradley. Right at the light onto Bradley. Bradley to Goldsborough. Left at the light onto Goldsborough. (you've covered less than a mile at this point... ;-) When Goldsborough gets to River, you can take a right onto River and take that out to 495. It's got a few lights, but it's wide (deer dodging space) and the speed limit isn't bad (45-50). Optionally, stay on Goldsborough. It will take you past the end of Massachusetts and then end at McArthur. The intersection is a bit weird there, with lots of little lanes crossing over each other (there's a transformer or something sitting right in the middle of the intersection...). If you do the equivalent of a left onto McArthur, there will be a stop sign in less than 1/2 mile. A right there will take you down onto the Clara Barton. I *think* it will let you take it west out to 495 (this is in the area where that concrete wall Julian was talking about is). I tend to avoid this area mostly, as during the rush hours this is the place Clara Barton goes one way into D.C., and I can never remember what time that happens). If you do the equivalent of a right onto McArthur, you can take it out over a big one-lane bridge (traffic light controlled) and eventually you come to a stop sign. A left there, then a fairly quick right onto the on-ramp, will put you onto the Clara Barton about a mile inside the beltway...take the exit to end up on 495 right at the American Legion bridge. >covering both brakes at the time... He was a fair bit bigger than I. >Only had one antler on him, so maybe I'm not the first to find him. Ah >well... A good night indeed. :) I was watching for deer too, but didn't see any. Not even in the places marked for them. It was nippy enough that I was glad I wasn't going faster then 50 at any point. About time to switch back to the leather jacket I think...unless the whole ride will be in the daylight hours. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 15:49:29 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:49:11 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... At 12:30 PM 9/22/04 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote: >A. Aren't wind resistance and drag the exact same thing? So far as I can see...if you are talking about moving through air anyway. If this was a boat list, they might not be. >B. How does weight play any part in determing top speed? Other than resistance to wind gusts, which, with a high enough gearing might come often enough with a light bike to keep you from reaching your max potential speed, I can't think of much. WAG: A heavy bike needs bigger tires, which have more rolling resistance? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 16:06:12 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:05:17 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... At 02:52 PM 9/22/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >From: Sean Jordan >A. Aren't wind resistance and drag the exact same thing? > >Seems to me "wind resistance" (the size of the hole you're punching in the air) is one component of drag, but not the only one. Drag induces all sorts of forces on a moving body, including lift and suction. I don't know how they use those terms in motorcycle mags, but if you talk to aerodynamics people, like the ones who design aircraft, "drag" is a very specific term, as is "lift". Drag is the resistance to forward motion caused by interaction with the air. It is made up of a couple of different sorts: "induced drag", and "form drag". Form drag (also called parasitic drag) is drag caused by the air hitting the vehicle. It is the one influenced most by speed, and as speed rises, it becomes the dominant drag factor. Streamlining reduces this form of drag. The two factors that matter for hit form of drag are wetted area (the area that would get wet if a water spray was added to the wind) and the general shape of the vehicle...lots of protrusions add drag. The surface composition can affect this drag as well...as it affects friction between the wind and the surface. Induced drag comes from generating lift. An airplanes wing adds a downward movement to the air it moves through, and the energy to do this has to come from somewhere, and it shows up as drag. As speed increases, this becomes less of a factor in total drag...and I don't see that it would affect motorcycles a whole lot. If you get up into transsonic speeds "wave drag" enters the picture, but on a bike, you probably left the picture, and the world, long before you went transonic... ;-) >As another poster and I commented, drag forces increase as the square of velocity. As long as power unlimited, no problem; but for a given power rating there is a theoretical top speed due to drag. No argument about that, other than to note that with unlimited power, structural strength is likely to become a limiting factor next. Or perhaps ignition temperature... ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 20:03:18 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:03:07 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan Reply-To: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Cc: wayne@XXXXXX If you're correcting me, I assume you know more on the subject than I do. What are the physical laws stating how much horsepower is required to achieve a speed of over 200mph? Just because you travel 1/4 mile at a time doesn't mean that this guy didn't start accelerating 20 miles up the road. Greater horsepower will help you to achieve that speed sooner, yes. But that bike with a gear change has enough power to pull, over time, to over 200mph. On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:36:53 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Edelen wrote: > Uh, you need to HP to pull the bike there, not just the gearing. :-) > Again, without adding HP, that bike will not hit 200+. Adding taller > gears would just slow it's acceleration. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 20:57:22 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Kudos to Mark Kitchell for Bike Night Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:57:11 -0400 I had a nice time, as usual, plenty of other VFR's to gawk at. The SuperMotard contingency appears to be growing in strength and numbers, we will need to make sure we invite extra VFR's to the next one as to not be outnumbered by the 'Tards! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR600, track only Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:17:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks MK -----Original Message----- From: John Kozyn Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Kudos to Mark Kitchell for setting up a VF cool Bike Night in "Chocolate City" :) ...... Let's do Adams Morgan again soon! ...... Thanks again, Mark. JK (D-mode) ---- Yes, super bike night. Let's do that again. Maybe I'll take a different bike next time instead of the ubiquitous VFR. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 21:03:25 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:02:13 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a6f26abfee933a88d9d4f8b27b465ca9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c >Greater horsepower will help you to achieve that speed > sooner, yes. But that bike with a gear change has enough power to > pull, over time, to over 200mph. [Dave] I'd like to see proof. It's a cbr1k, right? Regardless of what bike it is, it has to have enough power to be able to redline in top gear with the given gear ratio. Too tall a gear, and you'll indeed be 'drag limited', too steep a gear, and you'll max out RPM's before topping out but as previously indicated, you'll get to that speed quicker. If it was so all fired easy to see the double ton with just a gear change with the current crop of liter bikes, there would be an all out run on liter bikes right now. He might gain 5 mph or so if the bike is indeed geared 'too tall' and not redlining at top speed, but not 20 mph, no way, no how. If I remember correctly, it took Lee Shierts 200 hp at the wheel, and 17 x 39 sprockets on his eyeabuser to break 200 in the standing mile a few years back... That's not 200 hp at the crank, 200 at the wheel. 200 actual horsepower, not magazine numbers. Now depending on the setup, I'm sure it's possible to have an absolute maximum speed of 200 mph with less horsepower, all other things being optimized. Just a guess, off the top... I'm saying all other things optimized... between 160 and 170 rear wheel hp *might* be enough... Wayne? Dave > > > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:36:53 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Edelen > wrote: >> Uh, you need to HP to pull the bike there, not just the gearing. :-) >> Again, without adding HP, that bike will not hit 200+. Adding taller >> gears would just slow it's acceleration. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 21:10:07 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Thomas Jordan wrote: > If you're correcting me, I assume you know more on the subject than I > do. What are the physical laws stating how much horsepower is required > to achieve a speed of over 200mph? Just because you travel 1/4 mile at > a time doesn't mean that this guy didn't start accelerating 20 miles > up the road. Greater horsepower will help you to achieve that speed > sooner, yes. But that bike with a gear change has enough power to > pull, over time, to over 200mph. Maybe, with a lot of running room (5-7+ miles), it may be possible. I'm telling you that based on my experience it does not have the HP or aero to pull it in any reasonable distance, it doesn't matter if it's running 19/38 gearing :-) The bike in question wasn't an CBR1000RR, it was an RC51 (posted on the 'Busa board). Those things don't make a lot of HP and with such a small fairing, they aren't very aerodynamic. They do handle well, though :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 21:39:34 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:59:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > Just a guess, off the top... I'm saying all other things optimized... > between 160 and 170 rear wheel hp *might* be enough... Wayne? > > Dave 17/40 (stock) gearing is supposed to be good for 201mph, but real world experience shows that 17/39 with about 180rwhp is the recipe for a 200+mph machine. This is all for the 'Busa, which is pretty damn aerodynamic for a sportbike. Try this with one of the smaller literbikes (or the RC51 in question) and you'll need more HP to punch through the wind. At Maxton, it seems like you need anywhere from 210-250rwhp to reach 200mph, depending on your skill as a rider and your size (ability to tuck). All of this applies to the 'Busa, but should be applicable to other full faired sportbikes. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 22:05:45 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:05:37 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... At 09:29 PM 9/22/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Thomas Jordan wrote: > >> If you're correcting me, I assume you know more on the subject than I >> do. What are the physical laws stating how much horsepower is required >> to achieve a speed of over 200mph? Just because you travel 1/4 mile at >> a time doesn't mean that this guy didn't start accelerating 20 miles >> up the road. Greater horsepower will help you to achieve that speed >> sooner, yes. But that bike with a gear change has enough power to >> pull, over time, to over 200mph. > >Maybe, with a lot of running room (5-7+ miles), it may be possible. I'm >telling you that based on my experience it does not have the HP or aero to >pull it in any reasonable distance, it doesn't matter if it's running >19/38 gearing :-) I don't know exactly what HP it would take on that bike, with that rider, dressed however he was dressed, etc., but Wayne is correct that you can do anything you like with the gearing, there will still be a limit to top speed that is caused by drag. The faster you go, the more drag you create, and the more power it takes to go any faster. It isn't linear either (i.e. the faster you go, the faster the drag goes up with each increment of speed). Look at it this way, an airplane doesn't have wheels on the ground, so there's no limit imposed by how fast the engine can spin them. It can go through the air until thrust equals drag and it stops accelerating. There are some factors involving prop pitch, engine RPMs and speed through the air, but variable pitch props can compensate for that a lot. A 165 HP Cessna 172 with a fixed pitch prop will top out at about 115 knots (~130 mph) on a good day. With a variable pitch prop you might get an extra 10-15 knots max from what I've read about the subject. It won't just keep going faster and faster...if it tries, the drag will rise and it will stop accelerating. When you run out of throttle to increase power with, you stop accelerating, and it has nothing to do with gear ratios...it's just aerodynamics and engine power. Planes have the advantage of being able to climb up into thinner air where there's less of it to run into...but unless you have a jet engine, you also lose engine power almost as fast. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 22:41:20 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:41:17 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... The ticket in question. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0922042speed1.gif - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 22 22:42:13 2004 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:41:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Julian Halton CC: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations Julian Halton wrote: > Must stops: > Colorado > Montana > Washington > California > Arizona I was really surprised by by South Dakota (Rushmore, Crazy Horse, the Black Hills) and by Lolo Pass (US12 from Montana to Idaho). I regret not having the time to ride Beartooth Pass (US212 betwen Montana and Wyoming). > You have no idea how much I dreamt about these places..I have always > made excuses not to go and I refuse to anymore. Good for you. Just go. You won't regret it. I rode around trying to get to all the Iron Butt Rally checkpoints last year, had some bike issues that only allowed me to see the Start in Montana, the first checkpoint in Nevada, a stop by the house to affect repairs while the checkpoints in Florida and Maine passed me by, then another sprint out to Montana for the Finish. Was gone less than 2 weeks, spent maybe 5 nights in hotels, slept out literally under the stars most other nights, and still racked up about 11,000 miles. Great fun. > Specifics: > Any good mapping software anyone would recommend? > Is a GPS a must? I'm a fan of Delorme Street Atlas software, though the latest version are ponderous and suck mightily, I'm told. Version 7.0, 8.0 seem to be the best of breed. Garmin GPS's kick butt, also. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 07:05:10 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:05:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Bike Night Pictures To: DC Cycles Here are some pics I snapped at Asylum. Thanks for coming. Mark http://www.89infdivww2.org/house/bikenightsept2004.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 07:41:09 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:40:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan From: Randy Moran The ticket indicates that the bike's paint scheme is "gray/red/black." Sounds like an RC51. As the owner of an RC, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that it's highly unlikely that kid was going 205 MPH. Top speed on the stocker is somewhere around 165. Forty more MsPH would cost some ridiculous cash, and I'm not sure it's even attainable on that bike. I know HRC wasn't able to get there, even at Daytona, and they had 4 years to do it. RPM On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 10:41 PM, Sean Jordan wrote: > The ticket in question. > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0922042speed1.gif > > - Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 08:06:59 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... To: Randy Moran , Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX nobody has discussed the grade of the road in question. the original report indicates this was a vascar reading. we all know that vascar is subject to significant human error. if this were lidar or radar, it would be a more interesting story. --- Randy Moran wrote: > The ticket indicates that the bike's paint scheme is > "gray/red/black." > Sounds like an RC51. As the owner of an RC, I can say > with a fair > amount of confidence that it's highly unlikely that kid > was going 205 > MPH. Top speed on the stocker is somewhere around 165. > Forty more MsPH > would cost some ridiculous cash, and I'm not sure it's > even attainable > on that bike. I know HRC wasn't able to get there, even > at Daytona, and > they had 4 years to do it. > > RPM > > > > On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 10:41 PM, Sean > Jordan wrote: > > > The ticket in question. > > > > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0922042speed1.gif > > > > - Sean Jordan > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 08:30:54 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:27:15 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Aerodynamics An article that helps explain: http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_9510_bench/ When dealing with top speed, Aerodynamics in the end is everything. This guy's turbo '91 GSXR supposedly goes 180mph and thats with 270hp. http://www.turborick.com/specs.html In the Sportrider article, the writer speaks of an air plain with 200hp that will go 200mph with four people in it. With enough land and the right aerodynamics hp isn't as important. Unless you only gonna got for a 1/4 mile, then you'll want something with 1400+++ hp ;) Tom de '98 VTR --> forsale Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > > > >>Just a guess, off the top... I'm saying all other things optimized... >>between 160 and 170 rear wheel hp *might* be enough... Wayne? >> >>Dave >> >> > >17/40 (stock) gearing is supposed to be good for 201mph, but real world >experience shows that 17/39 with about 180rwhp is the recipe for a 200+mph >machine. This is all for the 'Busa, which is pretty damn aerodynamic for >a sportbike. > >Try this with one of the smaller literbikes (or the RC51 in question) and >you'll need more HP to punch through the wind. > >At Maxton, it seems like you need anywhere from 210-250rwhp to reach >200mph, depending on your skill as a rider and your size (ability to >tuck). > >All of this applies to the 'Busa, but should be applicable to other full >faired sportbikes. :-) > >-- Wayne > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 08:48:23 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Randy Moran , Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ticket for 205, some math, fact vs. fiction, etc.... Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:48:56 -0400 I would love to us that explanation in court. Speeder: "You see your honor my RC51 can only go 165 mph, even Honda Racing couldn't get it to go 205 mph." Judge: "Boys will be boys, case dismissed" Rob On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:40:50 -0400, Randy Moran wrote > The ticket indicates that the bike's paint scheme is > "gray/red/black." Sounds like an RC51. As the owner of an RC, I can > say with a fair amount of confidence that it's highly unlikely that > kid was going 205 MPH. Top speed on the stocker is somewhere around > 165. Forty more MsPH would cost some ridiculous cash, and I'm not > sure it's even attainable on that bike. I know HRC wasn't able to > get there, even at Daytona, and they had 4 years to do it. > > RPM > > On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 10:41 PM, Sean Jordan wrote: > > > The ticket in question. > > > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0922042speed1.gif > > > > - Sean Jordan > > -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 09:34:40 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Bike Night Pictures Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:34:19 -0400 Thanks for organizing & taking pics Mark! That was a fun night! Let's do it again. I won't drive a cage to bike night next time... --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (4 sale) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) 91 CR80 (new toy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:05 AM Subject: Bike Night Pictures > Here are some pics I snapped at Asylum. Thanks for > coming. > > Mark > > http://www.89infdivww2.org/house/bikenightsept2004.htm > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 09:38:40 2004 From: "Motorcycle Guy" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Night Pictures Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:26:22 -0400 Nice shots. Wish I could have been able to make it out that evening. Dave >From: Mark Kitchell >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Bike Night Pictures >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:05:02 -0700 (PDT) > >Here are some pics I snapped at Asylum. Thanks for >coming. > >Mark > >http://www.89infdivww2.org/house/bikenightsept2004.htm > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 09:47:33 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:47:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dale Horstman , Julian Halton Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations Cc: dc Cycles -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman I was really surprised by by South Dakota (Rushmore, Crazy Horse, the Black Hills) and by Lolo Pass (US12 from Montana to Idaho). I regret not having the time to ride Beartooth Pass (US212 betwen Montana and Wyoming). ------- Oh yes, Lolo Pass and US 12. The sign at the top of the pass and the Idaho state line says "Winding Road, Next 70 Miles." What more do you need to know? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 10:15:30 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Crossing the country Recommendations Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:15:22 -0400 I did a cross-country last year and I can't wait to do it again next year. I rode most of what Dale described (except Rushmore) and did make it through Beartooth Pass and Going to the Sun Road. I was missing 2nd gear at the time, so that made riding a passes a bit difficult. It was a great trip. I spent a week on an island in Puget sound. What a fabulous place. I'll be going to the start/finish of the IBR in Denver again next year and I'm really looking forward to it. Nothing like the open road. Sigh. LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Hollywood, FL AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 11:12:09 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stunts and bad press Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:11:28 -0400 With all the discussion of stunters and the coverage it receives within the mainstream press I was wondering if anyone else here had seen the new KTM commercial. It's definitely not a Honda commercial. Soup had a writeup on it as well as a link: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040922ui.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 11:22:36 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not to mention this letter to Dr. Gridlock Revved Up Packs of Motorcyclists Need to Cool It Thursday, September 23, 2004; Page DZ06 Dear Dr. Gridlock: I live on Capitol Hill, work downtown and drive to Lewes, Del., most weekends. Therefore, I am a regular driver on Interstate 395-D.C. 295, and Route 50 in the District and Prince George's and Anne Arundel counties. I routinely observe reckless motorcycle riders on those highways. I never observe that anywhere else in the region. (I regularly drive in Northern Virginia, Delaware and Montgomery County and have not once seen that driving behavior there.) Almost every weekend I encounter groups of anywhere from two to 10 motorcyclists driving wildly down the highway (usually on Route 50 between the D.C. line and Annapolis), weaving in and out of traffic, usually at speeds well in excess of 100 mph. I live two blocks north of the Southeast-Southwest Freeway on Sixth Street SE, and I see and hear these maniacs screaming up and down the freeway day and night. It amazes me that more accidents are not caused by these out-of-control drivers. Has anyone else reported this situation to you? I can't be the only one who has seen this. Of course I never see the police stopping these motorcyclists (they, literally, probably could not catch them). It would be a service to the driving public if you would publish this letter and request that the police in the District and Maryland make an attempt to target these drivers in their traffic enforcement efforts. Patrick G. Startt Washington Yes, I have received such complaints. The next time you see these kamikaze motorcyclists, dial #77 on your cell phone and report them to the police. Send me the particulars (time, date, direction of travel), and I'll ask law enforcement officers for their thoughts. --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > With all the discussion of stunters and the coverage > it receives within the > mainstream press I was wondering if anyone else here > had seen the new KTM > commercial. It's definitely not a Honda commercial. > Soup had a writeup on > it as well as a link: > http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040922ui.htm > > Cedric Bernescut > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 11:25:54 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've seen the KTM Commercial, you can see it here: http://www.990superduke.com/media/impressions/vid/01_filme.wmv Glenn --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > With all the discussion of stunters and the coverage > it receives within the > mainstream press I was wondering if anyone else here > had seen the new KTM > commercial. It's definitely not a Honda commercial. > Soup had a writeup on > it as well as a link: > http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040922ui.htm > > Cedric Bernescut > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 11:28:33 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:47:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Mark Kitchell wrote: > never see the police stopping these motorcyclists > (they, literally, probably could not catch them). In many cases, this is true. I've been training with some local officers and some times they will not chase a biker because chasing causes a more dangerous situation than letting them go. If there isn't air support, a police cruiser (which is about as fast as your average Honda) has no hope of even keeping a modern sportbike in sight for more than a few seconds. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 11:28:42 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stunts and bad press Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:28:32 -0400 I saw it on Gixxer.com and some of the footage looks fake like they took it off of Ghostrider video and put the KTM on it. I guess they want to appeal to the Hooligans. -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:11 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stunts and bad press With all the discussion of stunters and the coverage it receives within the mainstream press I was wondering if anyone else here had seen the new KTM commercial. It's definitely not a Honda commercial. Soup had a writeup on it as well as a link: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040922ui.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 11:33:25 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:33:19 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press Squids are bad for business. At 11:22 AM 9/23/2004, Mark Kitchell wrote: >I live two blocks north of the Southeast-Southwest >Freeway on Sixth Street SE, and I see and hear these >maniacs screaming up and down the freeway day and >night. It amazes me that more accidents are not caused >by these out-of-control drivers. Are any accidents caused by those maniacs? I never read about any. >It would be a service to the driving public if you >would publish this letter and request that the police >in the District and Maryland make an attempt to target >these drivers in their traffic enforcement efforts. They have - some special operation or another about aggressive this and that always seems to be in effect. If it generates revenue, the police are there for you. >Yes, I have received such complaints. The next time >you see these kamikaze motorcyclists, dial #77 on your >cell phone and report them to the police. Send me the >particulars (time, date, direction of travel), and >I'll ask law enforcement officers for their thoughts. To combat crazy riders, pick up that cell phone and call the police while you are driving. Yesterday a woman tried to run me down on 7100. She merged on from 29 and went for the left lane without looking. Fortunately, I have ESP, and my idiot antenna alerts me to this behavior well in advance. I had already moved to the shoulder and covered the brake. I laid on the horn as she merged and slid in behind her. She saw me at the last second and swerved back into her lane, clutching her chest. Hopefully the fright will make her think about LOOKING before changing lanes next time. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 11:34:20 2004 Subject: Police Pursuit Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:34:06 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" , , Here is an example of what happens: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mustangspin.wmv Vehicle is Mustang not motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 12:02:51 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff schmidt Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX All they needed to add were some scantily clad females, and it would have made the holy trinity of motorcycles. Just to play devil's advocate, maybe all of the traffic was only going 5 miles per hour. The poor motorcyclist is just taking advantage of his small size and manuverability in order to make it to work on time. Everybody knows how bad traffic is on the beltway! At least the guy is wearing all his gear. :-) Jeff --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > I've seen the KTM Commercial, you can see it here: > > http://www.990superduke.com/media/impressions/vid/01_filme.wmv > > Glenn > > --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > > > With all the discussion of stunters and the > coverage > > it receives within the > > mainstream press I was wondering if anyone else > here > > had seen the new KTM > > commercial. It's definitely not a Honda > commercial. > > Soup had a writeup on > > it as well as a link: > > > http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040922ui.htm > > > > Cedric Bernescut > > 2000 CBR600F4 > > Annandale, VA > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 12:04:54 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:04:46 -0400 Troutman wrote: > Squids are bad for business. > > At 11:22 AM 9/23/2004, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >I live two blocks north of the Southeast-Southwest > >Freeway on Sixth Street SE, and I see and hear these > >maniacs screaming up and down the freeway day and > >night. It amazes me that more accidents are not caused > >by these out-of-control drivers. > > Are any accidents caused by those maniacs? I never read > about any. Well, I'll bet the last zx9 that was stolen from me was used for this sort of thing. It was recovered, crashed, in NE (stolen in Frederick). I'm sure it was left at the crash scene as the bars wouldn't turn any more... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 12:05:32 2004 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GMD Computrack Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:05:33 -0400 A few days ago someone asked about the nearest authorized GMD Computrack for frame and component straightening. I indicated that it was in PA but I wasn't sure where. It is at North American Warhorse: http://www.nawarhorse.com/contactus.aspx Not sure at which of their two locations, but I'm sure a quick call would determine that. Hope this helps. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 12:25:04 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:24:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press -----Original Message----- From: Troutman Squids are bad for business. At 11:22 AM 9/23/2004, Mark Kitchell wrote: >I live two blocks north of the Southeast-Southwest >Freeway on Sixth Street SE, and I see and hear these >maniacs screaming up and down the freeway day and >night. It amazes me that more accidents are not caused >by these out-of-control drivers. Are any accidents caused by those maniacs? I never read about any. ----- I love how loud pipes and somewhat open throttles = ipso facto idiocy and maniacal behavior. It does show how perceptions run in the general population. Yeah, I live within earshot of the SE Freeway and hear the ba-waaaaaaa of in-line fours and aftermarket pipes too. And the Grid's correspondent is certain the riders were doing 100 mph on his route to Lewes. How, we're not sure. Radar? Pacing them at 100 mph or close to it? ----- >Yes, I have received such complaints. The next time >you see these kamikaze motorcyclists, dial #77 on your >cell phone and report them to the police. Send me the >particulars (time, date, direction of travel), and >I'll ask law enforcement officers for their thoughts. ---- Heh, I'm sure the MPD will get right on that. :) Apparently the Grid is unaware that traffic enforcement in the District has been largely turned over to automation and for-profit corporations. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 13:02:04 2004 From: "Motorcycle Guy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: who rides the BMW thumper in Glover Park? Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:49:15 -0400 Just curious if the owner of a black BMW 650 CS is a member of this list? I always see it parked on the street in front of, or on the sidewalk next to a little place on Wisconsin Ave called Bourbon. A few steps down from Rocklands BBQ, the Grog and next door to the Thai place Busara? Dave RT1150 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 13:14:11 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:09:24 -0400 To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press At 11:33 AM 9/23/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >Are any accidents caused by those maniacs? I never read about any. Don't know about those particular maniacs, and I assume you mean ones that don't just involve them (that Holding It Big fatality wouldn't count in that case), but motorcycle maniacs have caused accidents. There was one on this list last year about a moto-moto collision that killed one rider...Deal's Gap wasn't it? There was one I saw the aftermath of on Shady Grove a couple of months ago, and some others I was riding with, who were one light ahead at the time, saw it happen. A guy was running from the cops and failed to make the turn from Shady Grove onto Midcounty Highway and went down. He *almost* took out a sport bike with a passenger in the process, but just missed them. I've seen the types the article talked about, in that area (Rt. 50 between D.C. and Annapolis). It's a 20 miles of almost straight, fairly flat, fairly wide road. Speed demons are going to be attracted to that sort of thing. >Yesterday a woman tried to run me down on 7100. She merged on from 29 and >went for the left lane without looking. They should make that sort of thing illegal. No, wait! It *is* illegal! Gee, whattayaknow, someone who doesn't follow all the traffic laws. Whodathunkit? >Hopefully the fright will make >her think about LOOKING before changing lanes next time. Good job. Hopefully she'll also learn to change lanes one at a time, as the law requires, not in one big sweeping motion. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 13:25:59 2004 From: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night Pictures Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:25:50 -0400 Ooook...just what *exactly* is that long brown tube-ish looking thing in "inside 2" that's coming up from under the table trying to snatch a drink? ;-) -aki > > From: Mark Kitchell > Date: 2004/09/23 Thu AM 07:05:02 EDT > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Bike Night Pictures > > Here are some pics I snapped at Asylum. Thanks for > coming. > > Mark > > http://www.89infdivww2.org/house/bikenightsept2004.htm > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 14:20:06 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:19:51 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press To: Paul Wilson Cc: Troutman , dc Cycles PW: Heh, I'm sure the MPD will get right on that. :) Apparently the Grid is unaware that traffic enforcement in the District has been largely turned over to automation and for-profit corporations. [Dave] For some reason, I think that Motos have made an impact in PG too... I was warned by mom to watch out for cops - lots of them - on 210(Indian Head Highway). I passed through Sunday, saw a cop w/ some unlucky victim and thought, you know... it might be a good idea to slow down. Yowza. that was a lot of cops. You'd have thought they built a Krispy Kreme on 210 or something. There's been sporading B!tching about bikers on 210 at 'excessive' speeds for a while now. I spoke with a couple other locals at work and they confirmed this was "ongoing"... Damn. I can remember when if you saw a cop on 210, chances are he'd only be there to ask you for directions. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 14:30:22 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I can see why... everytime I go down 210 and I'm doing at least 15 over, *lots* of people pass me like I'm stuck in mud! And not just bikes. Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > > [Dave] For some reason, I think that Motos have > made an > impact in PG too... I was warned by mom to watch > out for > cops - lots of them - on 210(Indian Head Highway). > I passed > through Sunday, saw a cop w/ some unlucky victim and > thought, > you know... it might be a good idea to slow down. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 15:07:30 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:07:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: adamme1@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night Pictures -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX Ooook...just what *exactly* is that long brown tube-ish looking thing in "inside 2" that's coming up from under the table trying to snatch a drink? ;-) -aki ----- That would be me, engaging in a little commerce. Specifically the sale of an exhaust part to one of my table-mates. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 15:21:47 2004 Subject: Re: Bike Night Pictures From: lister lynch To: Paul Wilson Cc: adamme1@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:21:44 -0400 It's a little deceiving, since the piece is actually only about 5" long and just sitting atop the table. It's the Guinness vaccuum! Mike - now able to low-mount my hi-mount On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 15:07, Paul Wilson wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: adamme1@XXXXXX > > Ooook...just what *exactly* is that long brown tube-ish > looking thing in "inside 2" that's coming up from under the table trying to snatch a drink? > > ;-) > > -aki > > ----- > > That would be me, engaging in a little commerce. Specifically the sale of an exhaust part to one of my table-mates. > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 15:57:44 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Faster, last showing Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:44:07 -0400 From what I understand tonight is the last night for Faster at E St. I was planning on going tomorrow night, but will be going tonight instead. _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 16:22:08 2004 Subject: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:22:02 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: This isn't cycle related except that I'll be taking my scoot on a trip because it's a nice ride and hella better than the cage. :) I have an "emergency" that I have to go fix on Tuesday morning in Blacksburg. I plan on riding down there Monday so that I can get started on it first thing in the morning on Tuesday. Does anyone have any cheap recommendations for a hotel or something in or near Blacksburg? Preferably one where I don't have to worry about my bike all night? Feel free to reply off list if you prefer. TIA. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 16:28:23 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:27:56 -0400 I'll be heading down next weekend, let me know if I can help. Staying w/ little brother, he might be able to help too. Donaldson Brown is the on-campus hotel, 540-231-8000, cheapest down there and right down town. You shouldn't have to worry about your bike in Blacksburg, very nice town. >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >To: >Subject: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:22:02 -0400 > >This isn't cycle related except that I'll be taking my scoot on a trip >because it's a nice ride and hella better than the cage. :) > >I have an "emergency" that I have to go fix on Tuesday morning in >Blacksburg. I plan on riding down there Monday so that I can get >started on it first thing in the morning on Tuesday. Does anyone have >any cheap recommendations for a hotel or something in or near >Blacksburg? Preferably one where I don't have to worry about my bike >all night? Feel free to reply off list if you prefer. TIA. > >--smthng > >'01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and >seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox >Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. >'05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. > > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 16:41:22 2004 Subject: RE: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:41:18 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Did a quick check on the web... Donaldson Brown wants $81 a night. Your version of "cheap" and mine differ a fair bit. :P --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. > I'll be heading down next weekend, let me know if I can help. > Staying w/ little brother, he might be able to help too. > Donaldson Brown is the on-campus hotel, 540-231-8000, > cheapest down there and right down town. You shouldn't have > to worry about your bike in Blacksburg, very nice town. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 17:06:12 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:05:17 -0400 Tell me what's cheaper in Blacksburg? Even Christiansburg? I think you're somewhere off 81 if you want cheap. >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >To: >Subject: RE: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:41:18 -0400 > >Did a quick check on the web... Donaldson Brown wants $81 a night. >Your version of "cheap" and mine differ a fair bit. :P > >--smthng > >'01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and >seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox >Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. >'05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. > > > > I'll be heading down next weekend, let me know if I can help. > > Staying w/ little brother, he might be able to help too. > > Donaldson Brown is the on-campus hotel, 540-231-8000, > > cheapest down there and right down town. You shouldn't have > > to worry about your bike in Blacksburg, very nice town. > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 18:59:27 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: Bike Night Pictures To: DC Cycles --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Ooook...just what *exactly* is that long brown > tube-ish > looking thing in "inside 2" that's coming up from > under the table trying to snatch a drink? > > ;-) > > -aki > > > > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > Date: 2004/09/23 Thu AM 07:05:02 EDT > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Bike Night Pictures > > > > Here are some pics I snapped at Asylum. Thanks > for > > coming. > > > > Mark > > > > > http://www.89infdivww2.org/house/bikenightsept2004.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > Looks like someone brought their own date. *snicker* __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 20:33:57 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:33:47 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: great article Great article -- http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/streetsurvival/Crashes/ Here's another one for you ... I'm turning right onto 13th St. from Florida in the District. There's a Rite-Aid at the corner, and BDCs always double-park while they (or their passengers) run inside the store. On the bike, there's usually plenty of room to sneak past them and still remain on the correct side of the double yellow line. I was doing so the other morning when -- all of the sudden -- another car whips out broadside directly in front of me. Turns out the BDC was not BDC, but waiting for a car to pull out of a parking space. The car pulling out did a U-turn, and caused the brief pucker moment, but luckily no crash. Be careful out there. Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 21:29:59 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:29:52 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) I did say in OR near. :) There's a Comfort Inn for $39, but I also found a couple of campgrounds not too far away that will do nicely. Just gonna hope it doesn't rain and risk the campground for the night. It'll be a nice change of pace for me. --smthng Left the sig at office. On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:05:17 -0400, rich hall wrote: > Tell me what's cheaper in Blacksburg? Even Christiansburg? > I think you're somewhere off 81 if you want cheap. > > >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > >To: > >Subject: RE: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) > >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:41:18 -0400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 22:06:24 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:04:10 -0400 Subject: Fwd: 5th Annual Italian Motorcycle Festival From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Begin forwarded message: > > Just a reminder. The 5th Annual Mid- Atlantic Italian Motorcycle > Festival is this coming weekend. September 25, 26, 2004. Saturday meet > in the square in Shepherdstown for breakfast @ 9:00am. The Sweet Shop > Bakery has great baked goods and coffee. Or, try Betty's for a full > breakfast. Then pair up and go for a ride! After your ride, we'll have > dinner at Awok and Kings restaurants in the Food Lion Shopping Center. > Both are side by side, located just West of Shepherdstown on RT. 45. > Then Sunday is the main event. Set up begins at 7:00am. Gates open to > the public at 10:00am. Vendors, bikes for sale, awesome door prizes, > Best Sounding Bike Contest and the Velocity Vintage Judged Bike Show. > Food prepared by the local Italian American Club. Should be great! > Bill Sharp will have discount coupons available at the Maryland Guzzi > Rally. > All brands welcome, Italian only in show. > > www.italianmotofest.com > Bill Freeman > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 23 23:34:00 2004 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0400 To: Aaron Maurer , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: great article At 08:33 PM 9/23/04 -0400, Aaron Maurer wrote: >whips out broadside directly in front of me. Turns out the BDC was >not BDC, but waiting for a car to pull out of a parking space. The >car pulling out did a U-turn, and caused the brief pucker moment, but >luckily no crash. I thought U-turns were illegal in the District? Except at a dozen or so intersections, known only to cabbies and police? That's what a D.C. cop once told me while writing a warning ticket for making a U-turn. If so, change him back to BDC. If not, the "C" gets changed to "Cop"... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 05:00:07 2004 From: Daniel To: "David Lowenstein" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GMD Computrack Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 04:59:27 -0400 it was me. thanks! On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:05:33 -0400, "David Lowenstein" wrote: >A few days ago someone asked about the nearest authorized GMD Computrack for >frame and component straightening. I indicated that it was in PA but I >wasn't sure where. It is at North American Warhorse: > >http://www.nawarhorse.com/contactus.aspx > >Not sure at which of their two locations, but I'm sure a quick call would >determine that. > >Hope this helps. > >Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 05:05:07 2004 From: Daniel To: Mike Bartman Cc: Aaron Maurer , DC Cycles Subject: Re: great article Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 05:04:48 -0400 U turns at controlled intersections are illegal.... So therefore I think you can make a U turn mid block, and blocks that don't have traffic controls (lights... signs?) On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: >At 08:33 PM 9/23/04 -0400, Aaron Maurer wrote: > >>whips out broadside directly in front of me. Turns out the BDC was >>not BDC, but waiting for a car to pull out of a parking space. The >>car pulling out did a U-turn, and caused the brief pucker moment, but >>luckily no crash. > >I thought U-turns were illegal in the District? Except at a dozen or so >intersections, known only to cabbies and police? That's what a D.C. cop >once told me while writing a warning ticket for making a U-turn. If so, >change him back to BDC. If not, the "C" gets changed to "Cop"... > > > >-- Mike B. > >'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > >Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes >is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 08:44:08 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:44:02 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Daniel Subject: Re: great article Cc: Mike Bartman , DC Cycles Daniel's correct. I believe that in the District, U-turns at intersections are illegal (unless otherwise indicated) and U-turns mid-block are legal, whereas Virginia is exactly the opposite. On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 05:04:48 -0400, Daniel wrote: > U turns at controlled intersections are illegal.... So therefore I > think you can make a U turn mid block, and blocks that don't have > traffic controls (lights... signs?) > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:33:29 -0400, Mike Bartman > wrote: > > > > >At 08:33 PM 9/23/04 -0400, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > > >>whips out broadside directly in front of me. Turns out the BDC was > >>not BDC, but waiting for a car to pull out of a parking space. The > >>car pulling out did a U-turn, and caused the brief pucker moment, but > >>luckily no crash. > > > >I thought U-turns were illegal in the District? Except at a dozen or so > >intersections, known only to cabbies and police? That's what a D.C. cop > >once told me while writing a warning ticket for making a U-turn. If so, > >change him back to BDC. If not, the "C" gets changed to "Cop"... > > > > > > > >-- Mike B. > > > >'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > > >Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > >is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 09:17:16 2004 Subject: GPS Rental? Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:17:12 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Hey all, Another silly road-trip question... does anyone know of a place that rents GPS's? Mine is a bit bulky for the bike and I'm looking for something a tad smaller (like an ETrex or something) for a few days while wandering the Blue Ridge and visiting a few satellite offices for ugrades. Don't need a mount or anything, I'm just planning on putting in the map window of my tank bag. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 09:50:46 2004 Subject: Another one down. :( Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:50:42 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: It seems that another biker died last night. Anyone we know? The article is unclear, but regardless of reason, there have been way too many of these recently. :( http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0904/175377.html --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 09:53:55 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:53:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Another one down. :( To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I love this: Herman was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say no charges will be filed. I'd like to see them file charges on a corpse. Glenn --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > It seems that another biker died last night. Anyone > we know? The > article is unclear, but regardless of reason, there > have been way too > many of these recently. :( > > http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0904/175377.html > > --smthng > > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech > Sport saddle and > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, > Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox > Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and > chain guard. > '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys > wrenching on it. > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 09:55:59 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Glenn Dysart'" , Subject: RE: Another one down. :( Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:55:31 -0400 It might have been a reference to the fact that no charges are being filed against the drivers of the cars... -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:54 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another one down. :( I love this: Herman was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say no charges will be filed. I'd like to see them file charges on a corpse. Glenn --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > It seems that another biker died last night. Anyone we know? The > article is unclear, but regardless of reason, there have been way too > many of these recently. :( > > http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0904/175377.html > > --smthng > > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox > Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. > '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 10:09:11 2004 Subject: Need oil Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:09:06 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Hey again, In prep for my trip, I'm going to be doing a slightly early oil and filter change. I never thought decent oil would be so hard to find. :( Does anyone know of a local store that carries Mobil 1 SuperSyn MX4T 10W-40 oil? If I have to, I'll run up to Champion and get some YamaLubeYourWallet, but I'd prefer to go with the MX4T if I can find it. I've tried all the autoparts stores in my areas and there's no love there. Anyone else use this stuff and know where to get it? TIA. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 10:11:26 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:10:58 -0400 Subject: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery Does anyone know where to take this stuff? Will a moto shop take it off my hands? Thanks, -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 10:14:07 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:14:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you live in Fairfax County you can take it to the transfer station there off West Ox Road. Glenn --- Sean Steele wrote: > Does anyone know where to take this stuff? Will a > moto shop take it off > my hands? > > Thanks, > > -Sean > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 10:15:07 2004 Subject: RE: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:15:00 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Some will, some wont. You're probably just better off going to Advance Auto or your local auto parts store. I've found them to be far more "cooperative" in taking my used cr@p. I know Manassas Honda takes batteries, but not sure about the rest. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 10:38:40 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:41:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery To: DC Cycles In Prince William County, you can take it to the landfill off of Rt 234 between Dumfries and Manassas. I've also seen several of the local service stations have signs that state they'll take used oil. Note that I said service station rather than gas station. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 10:39:36 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Stunts and bad press Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:42:38 -0400 Troutman Mentioned: "Yesterday a woman tried to run me down on 7100. She merged on from 29 and went for the left lane without looking." & Bartman Mocked, "They should make that sort of thing illegal. No, wait! It *is* illegal! Gee, whattayaknow, someone who doesn't follow all the traffic laws. Whodathunkit?" [Carl]: If the MD cops don't see it, it isn't illegal. Several years ago a woman damn near merged into me coming onto 270. While prepping for evasive action, I tooted her; she looked me straight in the eye, didn't flinch, and kept coming across the lane. I called the State Police Barracks in Rockville, reported the event and her license plate number. The reply was basically "If we didn't see it, it didn't happen." But, the officer did helpfully add that he'd notify the patrols to be on the lookout to see if she did it again. Carl (Conspicuous but Wary) in Bethesda Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (ST?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 10:44:04 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:43:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Sean Steele , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele Does anyone know where to take this stuff? Will a moto shop take it off my hands? Thanks, -Sean ------------ Some service stations will take it. The one around the corner from me takes used oil. There's also a used oil receptacle at the DMV Inspection Station on Half St. SW. It noticed it on my last visit. Dunno about brake fluid. I've got a bunch of it in a gallon jug I need to get rid of. There's this note on the DPW's web site >>The next DPW Household Hazardous Waste Collection will be held October 23, 2004 from 9 am to 3 pm in the Carter Barron Amphitheater parking lot at 16th and Kennedy Streets, NW.<< For bulkier items, like tires, DPW will come get 'em. Call 727-1000 for a pick up. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 10:51:58 2004 Subject: Dear Mr. Gridlock Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:51:49 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Dear Mr. Gridlock, It is a shame to learn that you are so irritated by the behavior of a few "kamikaze motorcyclists". Your foremost concern should be encouraging good driving habits throughout the ranks of your fellow self-centered, unaware four wheel driving brethren. As a responsible and trained motorcyclist, I routinely avoid dismemberment and maybe death on an hourly basis when using the public highways in this area. Rather than wax poetic with a long diatribe on where you need to focus your energies let me enlighten you with the following list. - Left lane usage: If you are yakking on your cell phone, lollygagging, looking for that REO Speedwagon CD under the passenger seat get out of the left lane, better yet pull over to do your fiddling about. The left lane is not for cruising or safety it is a passing lane and every single one of you needs to be aware of this. Stay out! - Signalling: You signal before you make a turn or lane change EVERYTIME! Stretch those neck muscles and turn your head. - Awareness: Stop picking your nose, downshifting and reaching for that Krispy Kreme at the same time. Look around once in a while. - YOU are not the only person in the world. It is not a race. - Treat driving as a skill that requires work at. YOU are not the only one on the road. - Turning left into oncoming traffic. Try looking up and ahead before executing this challenging maneuver. I could go on but I have to get back to work. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:03:06 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: sean@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:50:02 -0400 In Montgomery County you can take the oil and battery to the Solid Waste Transfer Station on Shady Grove Road anytime they're open. The brake fluid will have to wait until they do a special hazardous waste day. You can look them up online to see a schedule. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:10:58 -0400 Does anyone know where to take this stuff? Will a moto shop take it off my hands? Thanks, -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:11:22 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:09:29 -0400 To: Aaron Maurer From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: great article Cc: DC Cycles At 08:44 AM 9/24/04 -0400, Aaron Maurer wrote: >Daniel's correct. I believe that in the District, U-turns at >intersections are illegal (unless otherwise indicated) and U-turns >mid-block are legal, whereas Virginia is exactly the opposite. Virginia they are legal at any intersection unless there's a sign saying otherwise, and you can't do it anywhere else. No question there. In the District, according to the cop, there are a dozen or so intersections were they are legal and not marked that way, but it's not general knowledge where these are. Cops and cabbies are supposed to know them (cop said it was on the exam for cabbies). This was a number of years ago (like 20...) so perhaps they've marked them or gotten rid of that setup in the interim. I just try to drive in the District as little as possible so I haven't really needed to know. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:12:30 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:11:51 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , Subject: RE: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery Call the landfill in Prince William County before you go there to be sure. The last time I went, a man told me that they only collect the oil, etc. on a certain day (Thursdays, I believe). So, I had to bring my oil back home. I think that that is too bad, because that is just going to encourage people to throw it in the dumpster instead of going there on a certain day. Judy >>> Leon Begeman 09/24/04 10:41AM >>> In Prince William County, you can take it to the landfill off of Rt 234 between Dumfries and Manassas. I've also seen several of the local service stations have signs that state they'll take used oil. Note that I said service station rather than gas station. Leon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:24:33 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:17:02 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Another one down. :( At 09:50 AM 9/24/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >It seems that another biker died last night. Anyone we know? The >article is unclear, but regardless of reason, there have been way too >many of these recently. :( > >http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0904/175377.html Yet another example of why that rule about being able to stop in the area you can see ahead of you is important. If you can't stop in the area you can see ahead of you, in the conditions that exist at the time (wet road, fog, or whatever) you are going too fast...regardless of what the speed limit might be. I wonder how fast he was going? That he managed to hit two different vehicles tends to make me think it wasn't all that slow. Given the distance visibility on the beltway there's no way he could have "come upon stopped traffic" without at least 100 yards or so of warning, even through Rock Creek Park (Georgia to Connecticut), and should have been able to lose at least some speed, so either he was going damn fast, or he wasn't paying enough attention...either way it seems to be his mistake. Too bad others got hurt as well. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:29:57 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:19:32 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Another one down. :( At 06:53 AM 9/24/04 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >I love this: > >Herman was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say no >charges will be filed. > >I'd like to see them file charges on a corpse. I think that possibility is too outlandish to consider as a valid interpretation of the situation. It seems far more likely that the police meant that nobody else did anything wrong to cause the accident. Maybe reporters need to start putting in *all* the words needed to express their intended meaning, and quit using this sort of "shorthand"? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:37:30 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:25:44 -0400 To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery At 10:10 AM 9/24/04 -0400, Sean Steele wrote: >Does anyone know where to take this stuff? Will a moto shop take it off >my hands? Don't know about the brake fluid, but Sears auto shop used to accept used batteries for recycling, and in Montgomery County the Waste Transfer Station will take them (I believe it's off Shady Grove Road). There are probably similar recycling centers for "hazardous waste" in Virginia, and maybe even the District. As for the oil, I was once told by Jiffy Lube that they'd take it, and there's an oil collection point up in Gaithersburg (just off Clopper Road) that you can take oil to any time. I haven't been there yet, but I'm going Real Soon Now, as I have several jars of it from several lawn mower changes. Info here about Montgomery County's setup: http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/swstmpl.asp?url=/content/dpwt/SolidWaste/c ollection_services/hw/hhw/index.asp -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:37:31 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:29:16 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Stunts and bad press At 10:42 AM 9/24/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >[Carl]: If the MD cops don't see it, it isn't illegal. >Several years ago a woman damn near merged into me coming onto 270. >While prepping for evasive action, I tooted her; she looked me straight in >the eye, didn't flinch, and kept coming across the lane. >I called the State Police Barracks in Rockville, reported the event and her >license plate number. The reply was basically "If we didn't see it, it >didn't happen." But, the officer did helpfully add that he'd notify the >patrols to be on the lookout to see if she did it again. Wonder if his attitude would have been different if you'd suggested it was "vehicular assault" rather than a traffic infraction? You say she *did* see you, and came on anyway... A cop does have to witness traffic infractions to write them up as far as I know, but for more serious crimes I think you can press charges yourself. IANAL though. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:40:32 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:38:38 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock At 10:51 AM 9/24/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >- Left lane usage: If you are yakking on your cell phone, lollygagging, >looking for that REO Speedwagon CD under the passenger seat get out of >the left lane, better yet pull over to do your fiddling about. The left >lane is not for cruising or safety it is a passing lane and every single >one of you needs to be aware of this. Stay out! Don't know about the District, but in Maryland this isn't true, and in Virginia it's true, but with some qualifications. In Maryland if you are doing the speed limit, you can stay in the left lane (you are, by definition, not "slower traffic". Emergency vehicle situation are handled by other parts of the law). Something similar is true in 3 other states. Info state by state is here, with pointers to the actual laws so you can see the qualifications, if any: http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html >- Treat driving as a skill that requires work at. YOU are not the only Looks like you accidentally left some words out there...maybe "to become good"? >I could go on but I have to get back to work. Good angry letter! Hope it gets published...and that some of the BDCs actually listen. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:45:00 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: 'THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES' To: dc-cycles From today's New York Times movie reviews: 'THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES' Gael Garc)Bía Bernal and Rodrigo de la Serna in "The Motorcycle Diaries." http://movies2.nytimes.com/2004/09/24/movies/24MOTO.html?8br -- Larry _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:49:24 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > - Signalling: You signal before you make a turn or lane change > EVERYTIME! Stretch those neck muscles and turn your head. Really good drivers *never* need to turn their heads. -- Larry _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 11:58:17 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:57:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock Be careful writing to Dr. Gridlock. He did a hack-job edit on a letter of mine. The published version made it seem like I advocated something I didn't. He seems more interested in pontification than in accurately reporting the views of those who write to him. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Dear Mr. Gridlock, It is a shame to learn that you are so irritated by the behavior of a few "kamikaze motorcyclists".... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 12:26:16 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:26:06 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: sunday-sunday-sunday! So. I finally was able to borrow a jacket and a helmet (I could use a smaller helmet if anyone's got one laying around. this one is 7 and 3/8 and has no side padding). I finally got the battery for the Sabre, and finally got it installed. up until yesterday, I hadn't ridden in more than 2 months... a crime I am in the process of rectifying. I am going for a ride. I will probably go to winchester ( which is where I'm moving to next week) to check out the new place. I may go to Wva, I may go 522 over the mountains. I -might- even take a map, but I aint betting on that one. I'm leaving from Centreville in the morning. if anyone wants to ride, lemme know. Departure time is flexible, departure is not. my riding style: I tend to go faster than traffic, and dispatch cages will prejudice. i'll juice it up to 90-100, and then slow down. I like twisties more than highway, but I'll ride some highway to get to good roads. I hate traffic, but don't usually lane-split. I'll do a double yellow pass if I have to, but I usually don't have to. lemme know if you want to go --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 12:29:00 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:28:56 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: legality question so I'm commuting up 28 these days, from centreville to Herndon. at the udvar-hazy center there is a an exit lane for the cloverleaf. it is separated from the main travel lanes, and is unocupied. I realize that it is horribly unethical to do it, but I've taken to to motoring along this lave for the .5-.7 miles that it covers, passing the stopped traffic in the travel lanes. Is it illegal to do this? if so, what law is being broken? --skip, gotta make to work ontime, oughtta leave earlier, but once you see me, you'll see why I need more beauty rest. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 12:30:43 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:35:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: Paul Wilson Cc: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Paul Wilson writes: >Be careful writing to Dr. Gridlock. He did a hack-job edit on a letter >of mine. The published version made it seem like I advocated something I >didn't. Perhaps you can specify that edited letter can't be published without your approval. > > [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 12:55:47 2004 From: To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , Subject: Re: Need oil Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:55:37 -0400 Don't know where your area is but Fairfax Autoparts stocks MX4T. Regards, -aki > > From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > Date: 2004/09/24 Fri AM 10:09:06 EDT > To: > Subject: Need oil > > Hey again, > > In prep for my trip, I'm going to be doing a slightly early oil and > filter change. I never thought decent oil would be so hard to find. :( > > > Does anyone know of a local store that carries Mobil 1 SuperSyn MX4T > 10W-40 oil? If I have to, I'll run up to Champion and get some > YamaLubeYourWallet, but I'd prefer to go with the MX4T if I can find it. > I've tried all the autoparts stores in my areas and there's no love > there. Anyone else use this stuff and know where to get it? TIA. > > --smthng > > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox > Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. > '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 12:57:24 2004 From: To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:57:15 -0400 Advance Auto Parts stores take used oil. It's inside the store so you'll need to go there when they're open. I'm dumped gallons of use oil there, but also Jiffy Lube and Grease Monkey will take motorcycle quantities of oil too if you ask nice. -aki > > From: "Sean Steele" > Date: 2004/09/24 Fri AM 10:10:58 EDT > To: "DC Cycles" > Subject: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery > > Does anyone know where to take this stuff? Will a moto shop take it off > my hands? > > Thanks, > > -Sean > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 13:05:28 2004 From: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: RE: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:05:18 -0400 if you go to the Fairfax Cty website, find the link for the landfill webpage, they have a list of service stations that will accept used oil. I *strongly* suggest you call the service station listed first though as I found out that the list can be outdated. However, I emailed their customer service dept and actually got a reply and they thanked me and updated their website (within a couple of hours after emailing them). It's nice when gobbmint actually works. -aki > > From: Leon Begeman > Date: 2004/09/24 Fri AM 10:41:49 EDT > To: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery > > In Prince William County, you can take it to the > landfill off of Rt 234 between Dumfries and Manassas. > > I've also seen several of the local service stations > have signs that state they'll take used oil. Note > that I said service station rather than gas station. > > Leon. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 13:09:38 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: legality question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't understand exactly where you are riding, is it the sholder lane? Glenn --- Skip wrote: > so I'm commuting up 28 these days, from centreville > to Herndon. at the > udvar-hazy center there is a an exit lane for the > cloverleaf. it is > separated from the main travel lanes, and is > unocupied. I realize that > it is horribly unethical to do it, but I've taken to > to motoring along > this lave for the .5-.7 miles that it covers, > passing the stopped > traffic in the travel lanes. > > Is it illegal to do this? if so, what law is being > broken? > > > --skip, gotta make to work ontime, oughtta leave > earlier, but once you > see me, you'll see why I need more beauty rest. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 13:18:36 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:18:28 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: legality question -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart I don't understand exactly where you are riding, is it the sholder lane? Glenn --- Skip wrote: > so I'm commuting up 28 these days, from centreville > to Herndon. at the > udvar-hazy center there is a an exit lane for the > cloverleaf. it is > separated from the main travel lanes, and is > unocupied. ... Shoulder-running is a big no-no in the Commonwealth and can earn you a reckless driving performance award and a date with the judge. Somewhere in the depths of the archives there's a story of a DC-Cycler getting dinged for it. Sound like in Skip's case, it's a regular travel lane, therefore, merging is acceptable, although some thin-skinned drivers around here are quick to call late-mergers inconsiderate asshats. Not me, particularly. People need to grow up and use all the asphalt that's out there. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 14:23:27 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:15:49 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: legality question Sounds like it's the exit lane. If so, it's only illegal if you cut back into the travel lanes after the divider turns into a solid line. The law would be the one about not crossing a solid line. At least some parts of VA do stop you for that. I got stopped last fall near Sterling for moving over into a left turn lane after the line went to solid white. It was 1am, there wasn't anything else on the road in the vicinity, and I figure the cop was more interested in an excuse to check for drunk driving (I'd just left a bar and pool hall place) as he didn't write up anything, not even a warning ticket, he just reminded me that that wasn't proper driving and left after checking licence and registration. He wasn't on the road either, BTW. He was parked in a nearby lot, which is why I figure he was more interested in patrons leaving that establishment than anything else. Happily I'd had nothing but soda in the 4 hours since my one beer. -- Mike B. At 10:09 AM 9/24/04 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >I don't understand exactly where you are riding, is it >the sholder lane? > >Glenn > >--- Skip wrote: > >> so I'm commuting up 28 these days, from centreville >> to Herndon. at the >> udvar-hazy center there is a an exit lane for the >> cloverleaf. it is >> separated from the main travel lanes, and is >> unocupied. I realize that >> it is horribly unethical to do it, but I've taken to >> to motoring along >> this lave for the .5-.7 miles that it covers, >> passing the stopped >> traffic in the travel lanes. >> >> Is it illegal to do this? if so, what law is being >> broken? >> >> >> --skip, gotta make to work ontime, oughtta leave >> earlier, but once you >> see me, you'll see why I need more beauty rest. >> >> > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 14:25:36 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:13:01 -0400 Not entirely true. The Advance Auto (I think that's the one) in the Flower Hill shopping center (Gaithersburg) told me that they would take my batteries. They may also take oil. The tire place on 355 at Odenhal (across from the McDonald's) has a collection for used oil. There are some others around, but I can't recall the specifics. Perry >From: "Rob Keiser" >To: sean@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:50:02 -0400 > >In Montgomery County you can take the oil and battery to the Solid Waste >Transfer Station on Shady Grove Road anytime they're open. The brake fluid >will have to wait until they do a special hazardous waste day. You can >look them up online to see a schedule. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > > >From: "Sean Steele" >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:10:58 -0400 > >Does anyone know where to take this stuff? Will a moto shop take it off my >hands? > >Thanks, > >-Sean > > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 14:33:11 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:27:49 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: legality question At 01:18 PM 9/24/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: > >acceptable, although some thin-skinned drivers around here are quick to call >late-mergers inconsiderate asshats. Not me, particularly. People need to Probably because such people are inconsiderate asshats. Late merges result in the traffic being cut in front of hitting the brakes to avoid a collision and to establish proper following distance again. That results in a chain reaction of braking back up the road, and that braking is generally why the lane merged into is backed up so badly in the first place. If you note, the lanes to the left of that one are usually moving along a bit more quickly in most cases...until people start bailing out of the right lane and causing the same sort of thing to happen to them. Ever been on the beltway and hit a sudden slowdown that had no apparent cause? You slow to a crawl, or even a stop, then you go again and get back up near speed, and there was nothing to cause it? No accidents, road crews, big potholes, forced merges...nothing? That's a "standing wave". It will sit there, or propagate slowly back up the road, until traffic density drops enough to let it dissipate...or until a few people force it to (see link below). They can last for hours during rush hour. They result from someone braking in dense traffic, perhaps because someone cut in front of them or maybe they were just braking for hallucinations...doesn't matter why. The person behind brakes, but the first person is already accelerating again. The person third in line brakes because #2 did, while #2 heads off again. And so on. Standing wave. Check out http://www.amasci.com/amateur/traffic/trafexp.html for an interesting bit of info on how to cancel these things out...if the inconsiderate asshats behind you don't create more of them by jumping lanes trying to get to the open space ahead of you and then cut back in to recreate them... If everyone cooperates, everyone gets home sooner. If a few inconsiderate asshats decide that "me first!" is the way to be, everyone, including them, gets home later as the overall traffic picture will be much worse than it has to be. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 14:36:53 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:36:48 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: legality question it's similar to the Collector-distributor lanes on 270, but it doesn't go from exit to exit. you get over to the right in the exit lane. you are then jersey walled from the main travel lanes. you can then take the cloverleaf exit to get onto the bridge and go to the air and space. or, you can continue straight like if you had come off of the clover leaf -from- the bridge. here's a drawing... http://blackroses.com/~skip/28cloverleaf.gif if i go from point A to Point B, is it illegal? Glenn Dysart wrote: > > I don't understand exactly where you are riding, is it > the sholder lane? > > Glenn > > --- Skip wrote: > > > so I'm commuting up 28 these days, from centreville > > to Herndon. at the > > udvar-hazy center there is a an exit lane for the > > cloverleaf. it is > > separated from the main travel lanes, and is > > unocupied. I realize that > > it is horribly unethical to do it, but I've taken to > > to motoring along > > this lave for the .5-.7 miles that it covers, > > passing the stopped > > traffic in the travel lanes. > > > > Is it illegal to do this? if so, what law is being > > broken? > > > > > > --skip, gotta make to work ontime, oughtta leave > > earlier, but once you > > see me, you'll see why I need more beauty rest. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 14:48:41 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:48:43 -0400 To: Skip From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: legality question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 02:36 PM 9/24/04 -0400, Skip wrote: >if i go from point A to Point B, is it illegal? Not that I'm aware of. Of course, if everyone starts doing that, your benefit is lost and there's a net loss from all the extra merging in again as well as interfering with people getting off of the road who are actually trying to leave it, which only keeps the density up on the road you are on... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 15:39:44 2004 From: Steve McCollom To: Skip , DC Cycles Subject: Re: sunday-sunday-sunday! Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:39:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [192.168.1.4] at Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:39:38 -0500 > From: Skip > I tend to go faster than traffic, and dispatch cages > will prejudice. i'll juice it up to 90-100, and then slow down. I have been behaving myself lately, since one day this summer. Coming back from WV on Rt. 55, I spent a good ten miles stuck behind two SUVs who were taking the curves at 40 and accelerating to 60 in all the passing zones. When I finally got to a long straightaway and passed both of them, there was Smokey sitting on a side road. He had me on the radar gun at 78 mph, and let me go after a lengthy discussion of the consequences of a reckless driving (20 over the limit) citation in VA. Probably wouldn't have been *too* bad, I got my last (and only) speeding ticket in 1987, but I was very grateful not to have to find out. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 15:55:57 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:55:55 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: legality question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MB pontificates: >Probably because such people are inconsiderate asshats. ... >Ever been on the beltway and hit a sudden slowdown that had >no apparent cause? ... That's a "standing wave". [Dave] You're preaching to the choir. That Rt. 1 exit at the foot of the Woody Wilson Bridge typifies how bad a bunch of me first mofos can cost people 10-30 minutes out of their lives every time they drive through it. >If everyone cooperates, everyone gets home sooner. If a few >inconsiderate asshats decide that "me first!" is the way to >be, everyone, including them, gets home later as the overall >traffic picture will be much worse than it has to be. [Dave] That's why I drive a piece of $hit. Last night somebody tried to shoulder nudge me, to no avail. It never ceases to amaze me how many dumbasses will try to stuff their 25 thousand dollar shiny cage in front of my old, beat up, never been washed since I've owned it, plenty-o-dents and scrapes Exploder, only to find themselves running out of shoulder room.... I've given up dropping anchor for these $hit for brains. Some b!tch knocked her mirror off doing it 3 weeks ago, because she tried to force her lane change while I was _right_next to her. Arrogant bitch. She swerved at me 2 times expecting me to just lock up my brakes for her to get in. I'm going to start painting little vehicle 'flags' on my doors so people will have fair warning. I couldn't care less if you swerve at me from the shoulder, go ahead and hit me. It's not like the Exploder can out accelerate any other moving vehicle, and I let just about every turn signaller I can in... Not like I'll be broken up about any damage to the exploder... I'm quite happy to listen to them try to explain away the physics to Johnny Law when they get there. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 16:26:24 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:26:20 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: legality question At 03:55 PM 9/24/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >about any damage to the exploder... I'm quite happy to >listen to them try to explain away the physics to Johnny Law >when they get there. I can relate to your feelings. Just another potential data point: I was a witness at an accident once. After describing what I saw to the nice officer, and having him take notes, I asked him who he would find at fault. He said it was pretty clear that one car was just traveling straight ahead, while the other was cutting across to make an exit...and in that sort of situation it was always the vehicle that changed direction that was at fault. Seems to be one of those rules, like the car in the back being at fault when there's a rear-end collision. Probably can be overcome in court with the right evidence and situation, but it sounds like the shoulder-bullies are going to start with a disadvantage if they hit you and the law gets involved. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 16:42:13 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:42:06 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: legality question Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 03:55 PM 9/24/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > > >about any damage to the exploder... I'm quite happy to > >listen to them try to explain away the physics to Johnny Law > >when they get there. > > I can relate to your feelings. Just another potential data point: I was a > witness at an accident once. After describing what I saw to the nice > officer, and having him take notes, I asked him who he would find at fault. > He said it was pretty clear that one car was just traveling straight > ahead, while the other was cutting across to make an exit...and in that > sort of situation it was always the vehicle that changed direction that was > at fault. > > Seems to be one of those rules, like the car in the back being at fault > when there's a rear-end collision. Probably can be overcome in court with > the right evidence and situation, but it sounds like the shoulder-bullies > are going to start with a disadvantage if they hit you and the law gets > involved. I always try to merge at the speed of traffic. I was getting onto 50E from 28N in Chantilly, and had to turn left at the second light. I accelerated to the speed of traffic, and was able to merge in. however, a guy in the next lane I needed to occupy did not want to let me over -- in spite of my blinker and matching speed. he attempted to prevent my lane change by closing his following gap on the car in front of me. I, however, was not disuaded, and continued coming over. his tiny meep-meep horn did not change my mind either. he eventually yielded and I finished my lane change and got out of his lane, into the turn lane. I waved. he thought I was "#1". I smiled and thanked him as he went by. the "not in front of me" people really piss me off. if they are signaling, I'll let them in. if not, then I don't. In the same respect, the stalk on the left side of the column controls the "indicators" -not- the "requesters". I am indicating to you what is about to happen, not asking your permission. :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 16:51:52 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:51:38 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: legality question > >about any damage to the exploder... I'm quite happy to > >listen to them try to explain away the physics to Johnny Law > >when they get there. > Seems to be one of those rules, like the car in the back being at fault > when there's a rear-end collision. Probably can be overcome in court with > the right evidence and situation, but it sounds like the shoulder-bullies > are going to start with a disadvantage if they hit you and the law gets > involved. Been there. I do miss my old Chevy pickup for that reason. It's been in a total of thirteen accidents since I've owned it. Only one caused anything more than scratched paint (gotta love steel bumpers). I've call the LEOs out on at least 6 of the accidents and never gotten a single ticket or even a stern talking to. Each time was someone either rear-ending me (you can't see around a pickup, doofus!) or someone merging into me. All were very cut and dry and the officers were generally very reasonable about everything. Unfortunately, I then forgot what I was driving when I borrowed the wife's Caddy that one time... oops. Again, it was a merge idiot, but what a pain that was! Now, I also have a cage I care about and hate having to let @sshats pull off cr@p like that, but... I love my truck. :( BTW... I had only been involved in ONE accident until I moved up here to the DC area. DC cagers suck! --smthng Left sig at the office From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 16:52:34 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:51:58 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: Does anyone have > any cheap recommendations for a hotel or something in or near > Blacksburg? Preferably one where I don't have to worry about my bike > all night? Feel free to reply off list if you prefer. TIA. > I wish I were going! I miss my good ol' VT! As mentioned, DB center is the only hotel on campus, and the cheapest. Christiansburg is the next best place for cheap, and it's about 10 minutes from campus. I'm sure as heck that place has built up since I've been there last, but there weren't too many lodging choices a while ago. LAR VT Hokie - Class of '96 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 17:02:14 2004 From: Daniel To: "Jim McGonigle" Cc: "'Glenn Dysart'" , Subject: Re: Another one down. :( Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:01:56 -0400 They havea blurb with some footage on news channel 8 On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:55:31 -0400, "Jim McGonigle" wrote: > >It might have been a reference to the fact that no charges are being filed >against the drivers of the cars... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:54 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Another one down. :( > >I love this: > >Herman was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say no charges will be >filed. > > >I'd like to see them file charges on a corpse. > >Glenn > > >--- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >wrote: > >> It seems that another biker died last night. Anyone we know? The >> article is unclear, but regardless of reason, there have been way too >> many of these recently. :( >> >> http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0904/175377.html >> >> --smthng >> >> '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and >> seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox >> Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. >> '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. >> >> >> > > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >http://vote.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 17:10:42 2004 From: Daniel To: Daniel Cc: "Jim McGonigle" , "'Glenn Dysart'" , Subject: Re: Another one down. :( Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:10:22 -0400 also as a side note.. a friend of mine recently met him at a track day.. in the white group. i think he said last monday. I wonder if the track inspired over confidence? I'm guessing the guy was leaving hte typical thursday night B&N gathering. On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:01:56 -0400, Daniel wrote: >They havea blurb with some footage on news channel 8 > > >On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:55:31 -0400, "Jim McGonigle" > wrote: > >> >>It might have been a reference to the fact that no charges are being filed >>against the drivers of the cars... >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:54 AM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: Another one down. :( >> >>I love this: >> >>Herman was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say no charges will be >>filed. >> >> >>I'd like to see them file charges on a corpse. >> >>Glenn >> >> >>--- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >>wrote: >> >>> It seems that another biker died last night. Anyone we know? The >>> article is unclear, but regardless of reason, there have been way too >>> many of these recently. :( >>> >>> http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0904/175377.html >>> >>> --smthng >>> >>> '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and >>> seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox >>> Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. >>> '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >>http://vote.yahoo.com >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 19:07:46 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:07:27 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Paul Wilson CC: Julian Halton , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Crossing the country Recommendations Paul Wilson wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman > > I was really surprised by by South Dakota > (Rushmore, Crazy Horse, the Black Hills) and by > Lolo Pass (US12 from Montana to Idaho). I regret > not having the time to ride Beartooth Pass (US212 > betwen Montana and Wyoming). > > ------- > > Oh yes, Lolo Pass and US 12. The sign at the top of the pass and the Idaho state line says "Winding Road, Next 70 Miles." What more do you need to know? > 77 miles, I took pictures. :) I *need* to know where there is a similar sign, only it's "Winding road, next 140 miles..." I've seen the pic, don't know where it is located. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 19:53:56 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: legality question Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:53:34 -0400 And in a league surely above most of our pet peeves, the BDC of the month -- er, decade; er, millennium: The car parked and abandoned in the left lane on 301 predawn causing 3 fiery deaths. At the last news report police were still saying "charges pending". ??? Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Is there any excuse? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 21:06:29 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- garcia oliver wrote: > Perhaps you can specify that edited letter can't be published without your > approval. Whenever I write the Post, I include a copyright notice along with text specifically prohibitin publication in whole or in part without explicit written permission. They respect such notices. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 21:10:09 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On what planet did you learn to drive? > > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their > heads. > > -- Larry > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 21:11:11 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: legality question Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:10:43 -0400 While not absolving of blame the person who abandoned the car in the first place, what does it say about the other drivers that that many vehicles could be involved in such a horrific accident? I'm reminded of some advice about not outdriviing one's headlights... Perry >From: "W.S." >To: "DC-Cycles" >Subject: Re: legality question >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:53:34 -0400 > >And in a league surely above most of our pet peeves, the BDC of the month >-- >er, decade; er, millennium: The car parked and abandoned in the left lane >on 301 predawn causing 3 fiery deaths. At the last news report police were >still saying "charges pending". ??? > > >Bill S. / DC (on digest) >'99 VN750 > Is there any excuse? >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 21:18:15 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "Daniel" Cc: "Jim McGonigle" , "'Glenn Dysart'" , Subject: Re: Another one down. :( Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:17:35 -0400 You guess wrong. He was coming towards Rockville on the outer loop of the beltway... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel" To: "Daniel" Cc: "Jim McGonigle" ; "'Glenn Dysart'" ; Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Another one down. :( > also as a side note.. a friend of mine recently met him at a track > day.. in the white group. i think he said last monday. I wonder if > the track inspired over confidence? > > I'm guessing the guy was leaving hte typical thursday night B&N > gathering. > > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:01:56 -0400, Daniel > wrote: > > >They havea blurb with some footage on news channel 8 > > > > > >On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:55:31 -0400, "Jim McGonigle" > > wrote: > > > >> > >>It might have been a reference to the fact that no charges are being filed > >>against the drivers of the cars... > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > >>Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:54 AM > >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >>Subject: Re: Another one down. :( > >> > >>I love this: > >> > >>Herman was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say no charges will be > >>filed. > >> > >> > >>I'd like to see them file charges on a corpse. > >> > >>Glenn > >> > >> > >>--- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > >>wrote: > >> > >>> It seems that another biker died last night. Anyone we know? The > >>> article is unclear, but regardless of reason, there have been way too > >>> many of these recently. :( > >>> > >>> http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0904/175377.html > >>> > >>> --smthng > >>> > >>> '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and > >>> seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox > >>> Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. > >>> '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > >>http://vote.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 21:18:29 2004 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: legality question To: DC Cycles I'd bet it's illegal. Not to mention nerve-grating. Technically that's an access road for exit/entrance. It's not for thru traffic. I see 'asshats' do this all the time at the 123 and Nutley road exits on 66. Also, what's so important at any job that someone has to be there 30 seconds sooner than if they'd remained in traffic? --- Skip wrote: > so I'm commuting up 28 these days, from centreville > to Herndon. at the > udvar-hazy center there is a an exit lane for the > cloverleaf. it is > separated from the main travel lanes, and is > unocupied. I realize that > it is horribly unethical to do it, but I've taken to > to motoring along > this lave for the .5-.7 miles that it covers, > passing the stopped > traffic in the travel lanes. > > Is it illegal to do this? if so, what law is being > broken? > > > --skip, gotta make to work ontime, oughtta leave > earlier, but once you > see me, you'll see why I need more beauty rest. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 24 21:40:50 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:41:29 -0400 On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:10:58 -0400, Sean Steele wrote > Does anyone know where to take this stuff? Will a moto shop take it > off my hands? > > Thanks, > > -Sean I think if they sell oil they have to take it in for recycling. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 00:06:31 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:03:14 -0400 To: you@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: legality question At 04:51 PM 9/24/04 -0400, smthng else wrote: >BTW... I had only been involved in ONE accident until I moved up here >to the DC area. DC cagers suck! I haven't been hit, and only bumped one car since I moved up here in '80. That one involved a Chinese lady who stopped for no readily apparent reason in an acceleration lane after taking off to merge. I'd looked over my shoulder to merge too, and when I looked back...she was stopped. Almost got stopped myself, but not quite. If I'd been on a bike I could have gone past her, but not in an SUV. Not even a little one. I was once in the middle of a fairly large pileup (with only one injury...to the lady who caused it), but I wasn't involved. One other car was also in the middle, and not involved (a VW Rabbit...good thing for him he got missed! ;-) and that was a courier who was also a volunteer paramedic, who treated the injury with some of my paper towels until the ambulance got there. It was all pretty exciting for a morning rush hour. It was on I-295 south, just before the exit for Bolling AFB, on a slightly rainy day. Everyone was tailgating as usual, except me and the Rabbit, who was a bit behind me and in the lane to my right (I was in the left, which was passing the rest, but not by much). Lady ahead of me saw brake lights, and stomped her binder pedal...and started to skid. It wasn't much of a skid, and correcting for it with steering would have been easy, but she apparently never got that in driver's ed, so she over corrected...and started to skid the other way...rear end going left. I'd been off the gas and on the brakes since she lit up hers, but since I wasn't as close to her as she'd been to the car ahead of her, I didn't have to brake so hard and was still in control. I started to move slowly to the right, into the space ahead of the Rabbit, slowing down as little as possible, consistent with not hitting the swerving car, so as to give the Rabbit all the room I could...he was moving right as well, onto the exit lane...so was most of the traffic behind him, but I didn't notice that at the time. Her swerves were getting bigger each time, and just as she was more than 45 degrees cocked to the left (rear end going right) she hit the car in front of her and went sideways...that car went left onto the left shoulder and slowed to stop. That's about the time when the bus slid past me in the left lane with its brakes locked up and hit her broadside. The impact didn't slow the bus much, but it did throw her car, moving backwards, across all the travel lanes (ahead of me, as I was still slowing down), and half onto the shoulder of the exit lane. The bus finally got stopped a couple hundred yards up the road, and I, the Rabbit and all the traffic behind him got stopped in the right lane and shoulder and got out. Besides the lady hit by the bus, the bus, and the car she hit to get sideways, the car behind the Rabbit (a Buick I think), the delivery truck behind that, a van behind that, and another 4 or 5 more behind it that I don't remember much about, were all damaged...mostly front/rear impact damage. The bus lost a turn signal I think. The swerving car was totalled...standing next to the passenger side I could look down and see the differential. Driver had been in seat belt and shoulder harness, but still managed to impact the windshield with her forehead hard enough to break the glass, and had a pressure cut that was bleeding pretty well (hence the paper towels), but otherwise there were no injuries. She probably had a concussion too, but she was awake, dazed and shaky...said she'd just dropped her kids off at school. Given the way the passenger side of her car looked, that's *really* a lucky thing. They wouldn't have survived if they'd been there at the time. The bus was leased by a summer camp, and was being returned after dropping off all the kids...only occupants were the driver and two camp councilors. All this happened at about 50 mph BW. Don't need to be speeding to have problems if you aren't well trained and you don't drive safely. I'm just glad there were no motos involved...given the conditions any riders in that mess probably would have gone down, and probably would have been rolled over by one or more of the vehicles involved. Seen a couple more "accordion" accidents from folks following too close, but haven't been in the middle of one, or watched it happen in RT. Not that I'm complaining... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 06:14:39 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another one down. :( Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 06:14:15 -0400 ok i'd like to change my guess to... " I guess he was headed towards that B&N thursday night thing" :) heh heh On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:17:35 -0400, "Paul Hutchins" wrote: >You guess wrong. He was coming towards Rockville on the outer loop of the >beltway... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Daniel" >To: "Daniel" >Cc: "Jim McGonigle" ; "'Glenn Dysart'" >; >Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:10 PM >Subject: Re: Another one down. :( > > >> also as a side note.. a friend of mine recently met him at a track >> day.. in the white group. i think he said last monday. I wonder if >> the track inspired over confidence? >> >> I'm guessing the guy was leaving hte typical thursday night B&N >> gathering. >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:01:56 -0400, Daniel >> wrote: >> >> >They havea blurb with some footage on news channel 8 >> > >> > >> >On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:55:31 -0400, "Jim McGonigle" >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >>It might have been a reference to the fact that no charges are being >filed >> >>against the drivers of the cars... >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] >> >>Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:54 AM >> >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >>Subject: Re: Another one down. :( >> >> >> >>I love this: >> >> >> >>Herman was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say no charges will be >> >>filed. >> >> >> >> >> >>I'd like to see them file charges on a corpse. >> >> >> >>Glenn >> >> >> >> >> >>--- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >> >>wrote: >> >> >> >>> It seems that another biker died last night. Anyone we know? The >> >>> article is unclear, but regardless of reason, there have been way too >> >>> many of these recently. :( >> >>> >> >>> http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0904/175377.html >> >>> >> >>> --smthng >> >>> >> >>> '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and >> >>> seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox >> >>> Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. >> >>> '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________ >> >>Do you Yahoo!? >> >>Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >> >>http://vote.yahoo.com >> >> >> > >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 07:31:33 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 07:31:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: And another video.. This one by a BDC who loses control and barely misses some riders coming around a corner. http://www.erborrico.com/206raba.wmv -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 14:50:35 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: legality question To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sounds like he is getting off onto an exit ramp and simply not taking the exit. Folks do this all the time on I66 at 7100. Unethical but legal. It is a lawful lane. Were it marked "Exit only" then it would be illegal. Todd --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > I don't understand exactly where you are riding, is > it > the sholder lane? > > Glenn > > --- Skip wrote: > > > so I'm commuting up 28 these days, from > centreville > > to Herndon. at the > > udvar-hazy center there is a an exit lane for the > > cloverleaf. it is > > separated from the main travel lanes, and is > > unocupied. I realize that > > it is horribly unethical to do it, but I've taken > to > > to motoring along > > this lave for the .5-.7 miles that it covers, > > passing the stopped > > traffic in the travel lanes. > > > > Is it illegal to do this? if so, what law is > being > > broken? > > > > > > --skip, gotta make to work ontime, oughtta leave > > earlier, but once you > > see me, you'll see why I need more beauty rest. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 16:34:06 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:33:56 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: legality question >Somewhere in the depths of the archives there's a story of a DC-Cycler getting dinged for it. Might have been me about 13 years ago. $25 fine and $27 court costs, but that "Reckless" stuck on my record for 11 years. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 16:35:36 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:35:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: And another video.. > This one by a BDC who loses control and barely misses some > riders coming around a corner. > > http://www.erborrico.com/206raba.wmv On a scooter, yet! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 17:13:01 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:13:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: David Blumgart Subject: Re: And another video.. Yowzaa! Every rider's, heck, every driver's nightmare....That guy on the scooter must have had to change his under ware. On a related note, I've been having fun guessing what BDC stands for. Backup Domain Controller? Probably not. Would it be safe to guess that the 'D' abbreviates 'dumb'? Then the 'B' is.... At 04:35 PM 9/25/2004 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: > > This one by a BDC who loses control and barely misses some > > riders coming around a corner. > > > > http://www.erborrico.com/206raba.wmv > >On a scooter, yet! > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 17:18:35 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles" , "David Blumgart" Subject: Re: And another video.. Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:18:28 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Blumgart" > Yowzaa! Every rider's, heck, every driver's nightmare....That guy on the > scooter must have had to change his under ware. > > > On a related note, I've been having fun guessing what BDC stands > for. Backup Domain Controller? Probably not. Would it be safe to guess > that the 'D' abbreviates 'dumb'? Then the 'B' is.... > ..... Brain-dead cager. The scooter guy nearly ran off the road rubber-necking. And what were all those spectators doing there? Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 90 KLR650 [Coming soon] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 17:26:48 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:27:33 -0400 To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles" , "David Blumgart" From: David Blumgart Subject: Re: And another video.. You guys have so much more 'couth than I. I'd guess it was some sort of informal rally, perhaps? At 05:18 PM 9/25/2004 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Blumgart" > > > > Yowzaa! Every rider's, heck, every driver's nightmare....That guy on the > > scooter must have had to change his under ware. > > > > > > On a related note, I've been having fun guessing what BDC stands > > for. Backup Domain Controller? Probably not. Would it be safe to guess > > that the 'D' abbreviates 'dumb'? Then the 'B' is.... > > >..... > >Brain-dead cager. > >The scooter guy nearly ran off the road rubber-necking. And what were all >those spectators doing there? > >Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 90 KLR650 [Coming soon] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 20:29:25 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:29:28 -0400 To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: And another video.. At 05:18 PM 9/25/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >The scooter guy nearly ran off the road rubber-necking. And what were all >those spectators doing there? I wondered about that too. Either that corner has a *lot* of idiots passing, enough to provide regular entertainment, or there was some sort of event planned...like maybe some BDC trying to set a new record for speed around that bend, and his friends are as stupid as he is and thought that the outside of the curve was a safe place to watch such a stunt from. I wonder if Holding It Big Entertainment was involved? Someone had a video camera running... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 21:14:12 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: well, that sucked... ...not so much ;-) ~300 miles, ~8hrs, one breakfast of chipped beef and gravey on toast, one aleve, a bit of fog, a few dirt roads, roads with names like 611, 675, 678, and higher. What a glorious day! -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 25 23:41:42 2004 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Earth, in the traffic of New Jersey and New York, honed by thousands miles on German autobahns and thousands of racetrack laps over 40 years of driving. To repeat and clarify: really good drivers, on a bike or in a cage, keep right, constantly monitor their mirrors and know where every vehicle in the vicinity is at all times. They *never* need to turn their heads to check traffic flowing in the same direction. If you don't understand that, you're just another doofus speed bump who can't drive, and a great argument for incentive licensing. -- Larry --- joey harding wrote: > On what planet did you learn to drive? > > > > > > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their > > heads. > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 00:28:10 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:27:59 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: sunday-sunday-sunday! I'm looking at hitting the road around 8 or 9. need to stop in in winchester around 2-ish to check on the new place. all other times and destinations are flexible. if you want to get ahold of me, call my cell. 571-228-7119 --skip Skip wrote: > > So. I finally was able to borrow a jacket and a helmet (I could use a > smaller helmet if anyone's got one laying around. this one is 7 and 3/8 > and has no side padding). I finally got the battery for the Sabre, and > finally got it installed. up until yesterday, I hadn't ridden in more > than 2 months... a crime I am in the process of rectifying. > > I am going for a ride. I will probably go to winchester ( which is > where I'm moving to next week) to check out the new place. I may go to > Wva, I may go 522 over the mountains. I -might- even take a map, but I > aint betting on that one. > > I'm leaving from Centreville in the morning. if anyone wants to ride, > lemme know. Departure time is flexible, departure is not. > > my riding style: I tend to go faster than traffic, and dispatch cages > will prejudice. i'll juice it up to 90-100, and then slow down. I like > twisties more than highway, but I'll ride some highway to get to good > roads. I hate traffic, but don't usually lane-split. I'll do a double > yellow pass if I have to, but I usually don't have to. > > lemme know > if you want to go > > --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 11:36:59 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX well alritey. --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > Earth, in the traffic of New Jersey and New York, > honed by thousands miles on > German autobahns and thousands of racetrack laps > over 40 years of driving. To > repeat and clarify: really good drivers, on a bike > or in a cage, keep right, > constantly monitor their mirrors and know where > every vehicle in the vicinity is > at all times. They *never* need to turn their heads > to check traffic flowing in > the same direction. > > If you don't understand that, you're just another > doofus speed bump who can't > drive, and a great argument for incentive licensing. > > -- Larry > > --- joey harding wrote: > > > On what planet did you learn to drive? > > > > > > > > > > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their > > > heads. > > > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote > today! > > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We > finish. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 12:28:47 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: joey harding , "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:29:25 -0400 I think you need a smoke machine and some dramatic music playing when you read larry's statement to get the correct effect. Rob On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:36:28 -0700 (PDT), joey harding wrote > well alritey. > > --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > > Earth, in the traffic of New Jersey and New York, > > honed by thousands miles on > > German autobahns and thousands of racetrack laps > > over 40 years of driving. To > > repeat and clarify: really good drivers, on a bike > > or in a cage, keep right, > > constantly monitor their mirrors and know where > > every vehicle in the vicinity is > > at all times. They *never* need to turn their heads > > to check traffic flowing in > > the same direction. > > > > If you don't understand that, you're just another > > doofus speed bump who can't > > drive, and a great argument for incentive licensing. > > > > -- Larry > > > > --- joey harding wrote: > > > > > On what planet did you learn to drive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their > > > > heads. > > > > > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote > > today! > > > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We > > finish. > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 14:59:30 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:59:20 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their heads. That is absolute (or as close to absolute as one can get) rubbish! To think that one can sit there in a Zen-like trance and absorb all of the events happening within his (or her) sphere is, at best, comical. The average fighter jock who wants to live past his first combat mission keeps his head on a swivel, always looking around. The only appreciable difference between that fighter jock and a biker in traffic is that we (usually) don't need to check up and down. ALL of the other directions need checked - frequently. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 18:57:36 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:56:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their heads. > > That is absolute (or as close to absolute as one can get) rubbish! >.... ALL of the other directions need checked - frequently. Agreed, they do. That is what properly adjusted mirrors are for. If you have to turn your head to check anything in flow (as opposed to, say, parallel parking), then either you're not focussed on your driving, or you don't have or know how to use properly adjusted mirrors and your peripheral vision. Even on a bike, you shouldn't need more than about 15 degrees of head rotation to quick-check your flank -- certainly not enough to distract you entirely from traffic ahead. Focussed drivers check their mirrors about every five seconds or so, and can at all times tell you where the nearby vehicles with a significant velocity differential are. Once it becomes habit, you feel vulnerable any time you slack off. If you turn your head, you leave a huge window of disastrous opportunity straight ahead. I'm not telling you or anyone else how you should drive; I'm just stating what the best drivers do, IMO. -- Larry _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 19:16:09 2004 From: Daniel To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Cc: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:15:40 -0400 That's a big "IMO" that would have been better suited on the original post. I think that is absolute rubbish as well. Driving in the right lane sucks.. You always have to deal with people merging to get on and off the highway. Driving in any other lane, you need to turn your head to check for cars coming over multiple lanes, if you plan to change lanes. If you were smart, you would turn your head to change lanes when you have plenty of space in front of you between you and traffic, and that's not a bad thing. another thing is, its better to go faster than the flow of traffic.... you have to worry less about what's behind you then. On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:56:37 -0700 (PDT), "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: >--- Michael Jordan wrote: > >> > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their heads. >> >> That is absolute (or as close to absolute as one can get) rubbish! > >>.... ALL of the other directions need checked - frequently. > >Agreed, they do. That is what properly adjusted mirrors are for. If you have to >turn your head to check anything in flow (as opposed to, say, parallel parking), >then either you're not focussed on your driving, or you don't have or know how to >use properly adjusted mirrors and your peripheral vision. Even on a bike, you >shouldn't need more than about 15 degrees of head rotation to quick-check your >flank -- certainly not enough to distract you entirely from traffic ahead. > >Focussed drivers check their mirrors about every five seconds or so, and can at >all times tell you where the nearby vehicles with a significant velocity >differential are. Once it becomes habit, you feel vulnerable any time you slack >off. > >If you turn your head, you leave a huge window of disastrous opportunity straight >ahead. > >I'm not telling you or anyone else how you should drive; I'm just stating what >the best drivers do, IMO. > >-- Larry > > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 19:47:38 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:47:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Saturday Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey, enjoying the rides around Colorado here. The HSTA guys here do like to head out for rides. We had about 20 bikes yesterday (I counted 18 at the first stop) as well as a group of 'wings that had left about 30 minutes before we did. I have to get a camera mount so I can get ride shots (http://www.sportbikecam.com). As it is, I could only take them when we stopped. Here are my pictures: http://www.schelin.org/touring/20040925/day01/albuma.html Here are some pics and a video taken from a group that rode with us (Colorado Springs Sportrides). The video was pretty cool and he whipped it up last night after the ride so the guy's quick (url goes to VFR forum). http://tinyurl.com/5yosz I'm looking forward to the next ride. In looking at my tour map (http:/www.schelin.org/touring/touring.html) I see that I need to head out 40 to Dinosaur National Monument and down to Durango as well as 15 states (to complete the 48 continental), Alaska and Hawaii, and I think I have half of Canada left to explore as well as all of Mexico. Who's up for a long distance ride ;-) Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 20:10:24 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:10:10 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79382e6ea001cfba641a6379c71881d893350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Larry said: > Earth, in the traffic of New Jersey and New York, honed by thousands miles > on > German autobahns and thousands of racetrack laps over 40 years of driving. > To > repeat and clarify: really good drivers, on a bike or in a cage, keep > right, > constantly monitor their mirrors and know where every vehicle in the > vicinity is > at all times. They *never* need to turn their heads to check traffic > flowing in > the same direction. > > If you don't understand that, you're just another doofus speed bump who > can't > drive, and a great argument for incentive licensing. [Dave] I've never heard a really good driver tell anyone not to perform a head check. It's certainly an admirable goal to never _have_to check by having presence and skill to know 100% of the available information around you, knowing exactly what vehicle is where, relative speed and position, as well as what the vehicle is about to do and what you will do based on every possibility for that vehicle. That skill will certainly serve you well. Right up until that skill diminishes enough to get somebody hurt or killed. I'll just be content being a doofus speed bump, be it on the street, an Auto-X, road course, drag strip or parking lot. For any (relatively) new rider subbed here - I strongly suggest that you interpret this and other emails on this list for what they are - opinion - mine included. Stick to what the MSF, or other reputable riding orgs suggest. Make your own judgments based on the skills you acquire. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 20:55:42 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:54:46 -0400 To: "DC Bike List" From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock X-Spam-Level: > > > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their heads. My Pappy learned me this little nugget: "Your mirrors can only tell you what you CANNOT do. Only your eyes can tell you what you CAN do." 62 years old and he has never had a moving violation. Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 22:09:08 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:09:03 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blacksburg area lodging (OT) I actually found a KOA not too far from there that has one room cabins pretty cheaply. That's just about perfect for me. I was hoping for a nice couple days of riding, but it looks like Hurricane Jeanne isn't going to cooperate with me and I'll probably get drenched. So far my forcast for that area is late showers for Monday (which is when I'm driving down) and heavy rain and wind for Tuesday (when I'm supposed to driving from site to site all day). Hopefully it'll be lighter than everyone expects or heavy enough to cancel the whole thing... in which case I get a paid day sitting in a cabin in the woods... could be worse. :) --smthng On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:51:58 -0400, Laura Roach wrote: > Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > Does anyone have > > any cheap recommendations for a hotel or something in or near > > Blacksburg? Preferably one where I don't have to worry about my bike > > all night? Feel free to reply off list if you prefer. TIA. > > > I wish I were going! I miss my good ol' VT! As mentioned, DB center is > the only hotel on campus, and the cheapest. Christiansburg is the next > best place for cheap, and it's about 10 minutes from campus. I'm sure > as heck that place has built up since I've been there last, but there > weren't too many lodging choices a while ago. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 22:21:23 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:21:21 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: DC Bike List Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock > > > > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their heads. Tell that to the trooper who "somehow" managed to sit in my blind spot on an empty highway for 2 minutes before dropping back and flipping on his lights. ALL vehicles have blind spots and the only way to overcome them is to turn. > My Pappy learned me this little nugget: "Your mirrors can only tell you > what you CANNOT do. Only your eyes can tell you what you CAN do." That's schweet! I'm gonna have to remember that one. Sums everything up perfectly, IMO. :) --smthng 250cc sig... can't keep up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 23:09:41 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:09:50 -0400 To: you@XXXXXX, DC Bike List From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock At 10:21 PM 9/26/04 -0400, smthng else wrote: >> > > > Really good drivers *never* need to turn their heads. > >Tell that to the trooper who "somehow" managed to sit in my blind spot >on an empty highway for 2 minutes before dropping back and flipping on >his lights. ALL vehicles have blind spots and the only way to >overcome them is to turn. There isn't one in the lane next to mine (cage). I can see a vehicle in one mirror or another from directly astern until it is passing me and visible in peripheral vision while looking ahead. Sounds like your mirrors aren't adjusted properly, or there was a third lane for him to hide in. (note: I have the stock Jeep mirrors...not hemispherical mirrors, or double panes or whatever). BTW, I still turn my head to check before I change lanes anyway. Can't be too safe. If I was only checking mirrors every 5 seconds, they could have pulled out after I passed, and be passing me in the adjacent lane before I got around to looking for them too...some vehicles have a lot of acceleration. If there are three lanes, they could have entered the highway after I passed, been in the 2nd lane over where they wouldn't show in my mirrors, and decided to change lanes just as I did. They will appear in my mirrors just about the time we meet...a head check is a good way to avoid this sort of thing. The "don't need to turn head" rule sounds kinda like the one from the movie "Gumball Rally", where the Italian hired to drive the Ferrari rips the rear view mirror off the car and throws it out the back, saying to the startled car owner in the passenger seat, "First rule of Italian racing: what is behind does not matter!" -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 23:25:32 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:25:25 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > Larry said: > > Earth, in the traffic of New Jersey and New York, honed by thousands miles > > on > > German autobahns and thousands of racetrack laps over 40 years of driving. > > To > > repeat and clarify: really good drivers, on a bike or in a cage, keep > > right, > > constantly monitor their mirrors and know where every vehicle in the > > vicinity is > > at all times. They *never* need to turn their heads to check traffic > > flowing in > > the same direction. > > > > If you don't understand that, you're just another doofus speed bump who > > can't > > drive, and a great argument for incentive licensing. > > [Dave] I've never heard a really good driver tell anyone not to perform a > head check. It's certainly an admirable goal to never _have_to check by > having presence and skill to know 100% of the available information around > you, knowing exactly what vehicle is where, relative speed and position, as > well as what the vehicle is about to do and what you will do based on every > possibility for that vehicle. > ---- I agree with the sentiments that mirrors only say "no", they never say "yes," therefore I don't rely on them 100%, and certainly not on a motorcycle. I will use a head-check to confirm what my mirrors are saying and to correct for the blind spots. Let's say my mirror "says" there's a white van in the left lane, and I wanna go into the left lane. A quick head check (more like a slight head turn + eyeball swivel to pick up more peripheral vision) will confirm if there's another vehicle in front of the white van. I don't need to see the whole string of cars, just what's in front of the white van. As far as adjusting goes, my MC mirrors are adjusted with more rear-ward bias, 'cuz that's where I absolutely can't see with a head check. Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 90 KLR650 [coming soon] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 23:33:33 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:33:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Daniel wrote: > Driving > in the right lane sucks.. You always have to deal with people merging > to get on and off the highway. I didn't say anything about driving in the right lane -- I mentioned keeping to the right, which means as far right as possible, which is the law in numerous states. > Driving in any other lane, you need > to turn your head to check for cars coming over multiple lanes, if you > plan to change lanes. Not if you know what's going on around you. > If you were smart, you would turn your head to > change lanes when you have plenty of space in front of you between you > and traffic, and that's not a bad thing. Sure it is. It should be completely unnecessary. > another thing is, its better to go faster than the flow of traffic.... > you have to worry less about what's behind you then. On that we agree -- but you still have to monitor constantly for those high-speed fliers. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 23:36:19 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- smthng else wrote: > ALL vehicles have blind spots and the only way to > overcome them is to turn. Two false statements in one sentence! 8;) -- Larry _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 26 23:54:19 2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:59:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" I once put 3 sets of mirrors on my bike: 1 pair standard mount, 1 pair bar ends, 1 pair hanging down from the bars---and promptly discovered information overload. Now I use my (2) mirrors every few seconds---and still do a quick head check before changing lanes, because every once in a while I'll miss someone---someone moving very fast---with the mirrors. ymmv. --garcia "Paul Wilson" writes: >I agree with the sentiments that mirrors only say "no", they never say >"yes," therefore I don't rely on them 100%, and certainly not on a >motorcycle. I will use a head-check to confirm what my mirrors are saying >and to correct for the blind spots. Let's say my mirror "says" there's a >white van in the left lane, and I wanna go into the left lane. A quick >head >check (more like a slight head turn + eyeball swivel to pick up more >peripheral vision) will confirm if there's another vehicle in front of the >white van. I don't need to see the whole string of cars, just what's in >front of the white van. As far as adjusting goes, my MC mirrors are >adjusted with more rear-ward bias, 'cuz that's where I absolutely can't >see >with a head check. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 08:17:54 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 05:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Disposing of used oil, brake fluid, and battery To: Judy La Follette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I went to the Prince William Landfill Saturday. The Home Hazardous waste facility is open on Wednesdays and Saturdays. (9AM to 3PM are the Saturday hours for the Hazardous Waste Facility) But, used motor oil, antifreeze and batteries are dropped off in the main part of the landfill, not the Hazardous Waste Facility. As you pass the guard shack entering the big new area, look to the left just to the right of the refrigerator/air conditioner area. Two large tanks are there for waste oil and antifreeze. Brake fluid would have to be brought in on Wednesday or Saturday. Leon Begeman --- Judy La Follette wrote: > Call the landfill in Prince William County before > you go there to be sure. The last time I went, a > man told me that they only collect the oil, etc. on > a certain day (Thursdays, I believe). So, I had to > bring my oil back home. I think that that is too > bad, because that is just going to encourage people > to throw it in the dumpster instead of going there > on a certain day. > > Judy > > >>> Leon Begeman 09/24/04 > 10:41AM >>> > In Prince William County, you can take it to the > landfill off of Rt 234 between Dumfries and > Manassas. > > I've also seen several of the local service stations > have signs that state they'll take used oil. Note > that I said service station rather than gas station. > > Leon > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 08:29:53 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 05:29:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: Daniel , "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Cc: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Damn, I was going to stay out of this, but now we get a post that indicates others should use "IMO" then forgets it for his own opinion. Sorry Danny, but this: --- Daniel wrote: > another thing is, its better to go faster than the > flow of traffic.... > you have to worry less about what's behind you then. is also an opinion. My personal opinion is that one should travel at an appropriate speed for the conditions, sometimes that is faster than traffic, other times it is slower. The biggest problem I see with travelling faster is that it takes more time to stop. One is more likely to hit a stationary object (or an antlered forest rat) when traveling faster. Leon Begeman _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 08:43:35 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:39:51 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Route to Poughkeepsie NY I don't have good trip software. Does anybody gotta good route to Poughkeepsie NY? Besides straight up 95n, and maybe i81, to i84. What I'd like to do is get up there quickly and make my way home a nice trip. This will be a one day trip, as I am going to drop off my VTR with a check and coming home with a ST1300. I leave Wednesday morning... Thanks for the help, Tom de '98 VTR - sold! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 09:06:53 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 205mph RC51 makes the front page of CNN http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/27/speeding.ticket.ap/index.html Motorcycle world abuzz at biker's 205 mph ticket Monday, September 27, 2004 Posted: 7:20 AM EDT (1120 GMT) MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota (AP) -- People across the United States are shaking their heads over the kid ticketed for allegedly riding his motorcycle at 205 mph -- some out of disapproval, other because they doubt he went that fast. Ever since a State Patrol pilot clocked Samuel Armstrong Tilley's 2002 Honda RC51 going a quarter-mile in 4.39 seconds on September 18, people in chat rooms, garages and biker bars from Sturgis, South Dakota, to Los Angeles have been buzzing about the alleged feat on Highway 61 near Wabasha. "Certainly anyone who flouts the law to that extent is seen by some as a latter-day Robin Hood, flying in the face of authority and doing stuff we all want to do but common sense stops us from," said David Edwards, editor-in-chief of Cycle World, a magazine based in Newport Beach, California. Edwards is among the many experts who doubt Tilley's bike could have gone so fast. "More likely, the cop with the stopwatch had an itchy trigger finger," he told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis. "There are lots of guys who have been spending a lot of money and a lot of years at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah trying to join the official 200 Club and most still haven't done it," Edwards said. He said Tilley's bike would have needed an add-on turbo charger to go above 165 mph. State Patrol pilot Al Loney, a 27-year veteran, and his superiors stand by their report. Tilley, who graduated from Stillwater High School last year, hasn't returned numerous calls seeking comment. He's due to appear in Wabasha County Court on October 25. Tilley purchased his motorcycle last summer from Tousley Motorsports in White Bear Lake, where he once worked. Tousley President Larry Koch said Tilley is a nice guy, "but I really want to ask him: 'What in the hell were you thinking?"' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 09:46:24 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:46:21 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: DC Bike List Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock > >his lights. ALL vehicles have blind spots and the only way to > >overcome them is to turn. > > There isn't one in the lane next to mine (cage). I can see a vehicle in > one mirror or another from directly astern until it is passing me and > visible in peripheral vision while looking ahead. Ok... ALL vehicles I've ever been in/on. :P > Sounds like your mirrors > aren't adjusted properly, or there was a third lane for him to hide in. > (note: I have the stock Jeep mirrors...not hemispherical mirrors, or double > panes or whatever). Yeah, FZ1 mirrors suck. Yama puts them on the front fairing on stalks that don't stick out far enough, IMO. I have a nice veiw of my elbows and a fair amount of whats behind and to the side, but not enough. I was about to replace them, but the accountant (wife) is already griping about my buying "bike things" and the new scoot will be here soon anyway (although I'll probably have to replace the mirrors on it too). > If I was only checking mirrors every 5 seconds, they could have pulled out > after I passed, and be passing me in the adjacent lane before I got around > to looking for them too...some vehicles have a lot of acceleration. He explained it after he stopped me... it was on a highway that changed direction (much like 395's HOV section) and he was halfway up an "entrance ramp" on the left side. He started gassing it when he saw me coming and just pulled right into that spot to check my speed for a bit. That ramp was closed to traffic (other than LEO's I guess) and I was in the right lane, so I didn't do much more than my usual scan and missed him. I was fairly impressed that he managed to time it all that well though (and I told him so, which probably helped to get me out of that ticket), :) Regardless... I look around when on multilane highways. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 09:50:21 2004 Subject: RE: Route to Poughkeepsie NY Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:50:13 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "De Boeser, Tom" , "DC-CYCLES" Check this out: - Lewes to Cape May ferry - Garden state parkway - take 17 North to Mahwah - take I 84 from there That's a nice way to go (not the fastest) -----Original Message----- From: De Boeser, Tom [mailto:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:40 AM To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Route to Poughkeepsie NY I don't have good trip software. Does anybody gotta good route to Poughkeepsie NY? Besides straight up 95n, and maybe i81, to i84. What I'd like to do is get up there quickly and make my way home a nice trip. This will be a one day trip, as I am going to drop off my VTR with a check and coming home with a ST1300. I leave Wednesday morning... Thanks for the help, Tom de '98 VTR - sold! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 10:02:12 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:01:28 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Route to Poughkeepsie NY Let me preface this by saying that I don't know the area at all and am going with my two mapping software's recommendations (which could be wrong, but usually do pretty good by me)... It Looks like i87 up to 44 might be quicker, depending on where in Poughkeepsie you're actually going. On the way back though... If you're looking for non-interstate roads, I'd take 44 over to 209 and follow that all the way down to Weisport. Then I'd take 222 down to around Perryville OR jump on 30 at Lancaster and follow that over to 15, which will then put you in Frederick, MD. As I said, I'm looking at maps and software, but that *looks* like a nice route... right through a couple of large parks/recreation areas. Just depends on how adventurous you are and how much time you want to take on the way back. --smthng On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:39:51 -0400, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > I don't have good trip software. Does anybody gotta good route to > Poughkeepsie NY? Besides straight up 95n, and maybe i81, to i84. What > I'd like to do is get up there quickly and make my way home a nice > trip. This will be a one day trip, as I am going to drop off my VTR > with a check and coming home with a ST1300. I leave Wednesday morning... > > Thanks for the help, > > Tom de '98 VTR - sold! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 11:09:24 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:08:39 -0400 To: you@XXXXXX, DC Bike List From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock At 09:46 AM 9/27/04 -0400, smthng else wrote: >> >his lights. ALL vehicles have blind spots and the only way to >> >overcome them is to turn. >> >> There isn't one in the lane next to mine (cage). I can see a vehicle in >> one mirror or another from directly astern until it is passing me and >> visible in peripheral vision while looking ahead. > >Ok... ALL vehicles I've ever been in/on. :P I'm not sure you can eliminate blind spots on a bike, I was referring to vehicles with side-view mirrors as well as rear views...that what "(cage)" meant...I don't have blind spots in my cage. On the bike I do have them, which is why I turn my head when I need to check them. BTW, sound helps with that when group riding. When the bike in the other track gets so close that they are no longer visible in the mirrors, they are generally close enough that I start to hear them very distinctly. Sometimes is the "swish-swish" of the front brake pads on the rotor, and sometimes it's their pipes echoing off of the curb or other objects we're passing. At that point they are usually much less than a bike length behind me, and in danger should I need to swerve to avoid obstacles in the road. Most folks I ride with don't do this much, but there's one guy I've promised myself I will never let get behind me again... >> Sounds like your mirrors >> aren't adjusted properly, or there was a third lane for him to hide in. >> (note: I have the stock Jeep mirrors...not hemispherical mirrors, or double >> panes or whatever). > >Yeah, FZ1 mirrors suck. In order to use the same mirror adjustment I use in the Jeep on the bike I'd need a rear view mirror too. Only way I can see that happening involves a camera and display screen. >Yama puts them on the front fairing on stalks >that don't stick out far enough, IMO. I have a nice veiw of my elbows >and a fair amount of whats behind and to the side, but not enough. I think I talked with Robert (?) once about having a second set of mirrors on a bike, so you could aim one set rearward, and one set more out to the side to cover the blind spot. He had a source for slightly curved secondary mirrors that might work well for this. Once my welding skills get good enough I may try making a set of dual mirrors for my bike by combining a couple of stock ones onto the same stalk. >I was fairly impressed that he managed to time >it all that well though (and I told him so, which probably helped to >get me out of that ticket), :) :-) Was this an older cop? Maybe one who'd had some experience with clocking cars prior to widespread radar use? >Regardless... I look around when on multilane highways. I try to look around all the time. You can do a fair bit using the mirrors just by shifting your viewing position, so you can check farther to the sides without having to turn your head. I save the head turns mostly for lane changes, and I keep them brief...it's a glance for problems not an attempt to memorize descriptions of the situation. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 12:14:50 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:14:35 EDT Subject: Re: And another video.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That would be Brain Dead Cager. :-) Scooter In a message dated 9/25/2004 5:13:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mojohand@XXXXXX writes: Yowzaa! Every rider's, heck, every driver's nightmare....That guy on the scooter must have had to change his under ware. On a related note, I've been having fun guessing what BDC stands for. Backup Domain Controller? Probably not. Would it be safe to guess that the 'D' abbreviates 'dumb'? Then the 'B' is.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 12:16:05 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:15:52 EDT Subject: Re: And another video.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Looks like it was a scenic overlook or something in the mountains. Scooter In a message dated 9/25/2004 5:18:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: Brain-dead cager. The scooter guy nearly ran off the road rubber-necking. And what were all those spectators doing there? Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 12:54:41 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'pltrgyst@XXXXXX'" , "'mjordan812@XXXXXX'" Subject: Dear Mr. Gridlock Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:57:54 -0400 Michael Jordan wrote: > That is absolute (or as close to absolute as one can get) rubbish! >.... ALL of the other directions need checked - frequently. [Larry]: Agreed, they do. That is what properly adjusted mirrors are for. [Carl]: I'm agreeing with fellow geezer Michael Jordan. I'll grant you that on a bike with properly adjusted mirrors, you have less of a blind spot and you can weave in your lane to fully check your six. So, you are correct . . . in light traffic. But, God hep yew in heavier traffic. And in a cage you have a bigger blind spot. So, God Bless the doofus riding in your blind spot (Is your cage named "Gene pool Chlorine"? :^). [Larry]: "Focussed drivers check their mirrors about every five seconds or so, and can at all times tell you where the nearby vehicles with a significant velocity differential are.." [Carl]: Be prepared to be surprised. [Larry]: "If you turn your head, you leave a huge window of disastrous opportunity straight ahead. [Carl]: Excellent point but "Situational awareness" means 360 degrees, not 270 degrees. [Larry]: "I'm not telling you or anyone else how you should drive; I'm just stating what the best drivers do, IMO." [Carl]: Thank yew, thankyew verrimuch. Say, yew ain't from the gummimint too are yew? 8^D Carl in Bethesda (Invoking the Deity's blessing; it's the current fad.) On digest do may be way behind . . .again. On training: [Larry]: "Earth, in the traffic of New Jersey and New York, honed by thousands miles on German autobahns and thousands of racetrack laps over 40 years of driving." [Carl]: Awww, racetracks, the autobahn (all of western Europe), and New Jersey don't count. They drive too sanely there. I'll see yer New York with Houston and add Mexico, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, southern West Virginia, and Hungary (32 years of DC metro area is just icing) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 13:12:34 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:10:05 -0000 From: "vfrjoey" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And another video.. X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose --- In dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Aki Damme wrote: > This one by a BDC who loses control and barely misses some > riders coming around > a corner. > > http://www.erborrico.com/206raba.wmv > > > -aki Would I be correct in stating that that cage driver is an ASSHAT? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 13:13:33 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > I try to look around all the time. You can do a fair bit using the > mirrors > just by shifting your viewing position, so you can check farther to the > sides without having to turn your head. I save the head turns mostly > for > lane changes, and I keep them brief...it's a glance for problems not an > attempt to memorize descriptions of the situation. I'm very paranoid about looking around, especially on the bikes since I'm so exposed. The 'busa mirrors (a little better than the 750's) still leave a hefty blind spot that even turning my head doesn't always account for. Saturday, on the way back and still with the group, we all started shifting to the left lane just before getting to Rt 67. I looked in the mirrors (which I had been watching) and looked over my left shoulder (joe rocket jacket with gerbing's underneath) and didn't see the truck that was smack dab in the blind spot. I changed lanes and received several beeps from the truck. (Turn signals were on and other bikes had shifted already so it's not like he didn't know [excuses excuses].) However, I was in a group of bikes and was paying a lot of attention to the other riders as well as the road. If you've ridden with a group, you know the dynamics change. I'm watching the guy behind me who's too close and watching the guy to the front since we're riding offset as well as watching the leader so we know where we're going. I was 3rd or 4th in the group so had less reaction time to leader shifting. When I'm on my own, I'm able to devote more attention to the surroundings. > > -- Mike B. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 14:38:18 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:21:38 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: And another video.. At 12:14 PM 9/27/04 EDT, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >That would be Brain Dead Cager. :-) Or "Bastard/Bitch Driving Car", depending on whether it was intentional or incompetence. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 14:38:23 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:37:29 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock At 10:02 AM 9/27/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > >However, I was in a group of bikes and was paying a lot of attention to >the other riders as well as the road. If you've ridden with a group, you >know the dynamics change. I'm watching the guy behind me who's too close >and watching the guy to the front since we're riding offset as well as >watching the leader so we know where we're going. I was 3rd or 4th in the >group so had less reaction time to leader shifting. When I'm on my own, >I'm able to devote more attention to the surroundings. Group riding has some different demands, yes, but the most important rule is: Ride Your Own Ride. I.e. you are still responsible for yourself, so don't just follow the leader blindly or feel pressured to do anything you think is unsafe just because the group is doing it. It's also worth finding out how a given group handles normal riding situations. A good road captain (leader) will start with a briefing before the start of the ride to make sure everyone knows the rules for the ride, and any other relevant info. What the hand signals are, what will happen if someone has to stop for any reason, how lane changes will be done, whether, and how, "holes" are to be filled in when a bike drops out, etc.. The two main methods I've seen for lane changes are the blockade and the snake. The blockade involves the leader signalling the lane change, and the tail gunner (last bike) moving over first, to block traffic for everyone else, who then move over more or less as one big unit. This is not a bad method when there's a left exit coming up and everyone needs to get over together quickly. The snake involves everyone moving over starting with the leader. It's generally used when passing slower traffic. The leader passes when he can. The next bike does the same, pulling back in behind the leader once past the slower traffic. Everyone behind the bike in passing position maintains their lane until it's their turn. The bikes flow around the other traffic like a big snake. Where there's not a huge amount of traffic, or the group is small, the blockage works ok. Where there's more traffic with smaller holes, the snake is much safer and less likely to result in road rage from cagers. If you try a blockade with too much traffic, the impatient BDCs will pass the blockader and cut back into the group and go speeding past the bikes waiting for the traffic ahead of the blockade bike to pass them so they can move over. This usually results in tailgating, and other sorts of unsafe behavior. The least safe situation happens when the group isn't on the same page about how things are going to be done, and some do things one way while others do things other ways. A good leader will make sure that everyone was at least informed...whether they listened or not is up to them. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 14:46:29 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:40:31 -0400 To: "vfrjoey" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: And another video.. At 05:10 PM 9/27/04 -0000, vfrjoey wrote: >--- In dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Aki Damme wrote: >> This one by a BDC who loses control and barely misses some >> riders coming around >> a corner. >> >> http://www.erborrico.com/206raba.wmv > >Would I be correct in stating that that cage driver is an ASSHAT? Not really...I think that's *far* too mild a term. Sort of like describing King Kong as "a big monkey". -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 15:29:57 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:29:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: vfrjoey , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And another video.. -----Original Message----- From: vfrjoey --- In dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Aki Damme wrote: > This one by a BDC who loses control and barely misses some > riders coming around > a corner. > > http://www.erborrico.com/206raba.wmv > > > -aki Would I be correct in stating that that cage driver is an ASSHAT? ----- And he was prolly rubber-necking instead of using his mirrors, like "all good drivers do (tm)" ;-) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 15:36:57 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:36:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Need help with PA DMV Scooter, or anyone else familiar with PA wanna chime in on this? I'm on the horns of a dilemma (sounds painful) I think I finally found a jurisdiction with a more confusing DMV set-up than DC. Pennsylvania, specifically. There appear to be literally scores of independent license agents in Pa., and no official "DMV" service locations. I'm highest bidder on a new-to-me KLR on eBay and it's in PA, and I'm hoping to ride it back to DC next weekend. I'm having a hard time finding provisions to buy a "trip permit." In VA, it's so easy. Just apply on-line. Unfortunately, this is available only to VA sellers or residents. These seem to be my options + PA trip permit (dunno if such a thing exists, or how to get one, or if the PO is willing to do it for me. ) + DC apparently doesn't offer such a critter as a "transit" or "trip" permit, so that's not an option. + Ride it with hard tag from another bike (LEO unfriendly in the event of stoppage, but a "friend" of mine has done it before) + DC temp tag (Fed-Ex cashier's check, receive title from PO, etc. Don't want to do this, as I want to reserve the right to back out of the deal if the bike is not as advertised) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 17:45:46 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:45:36 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: And another video.. Cc: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles >The scooter guy nearly ran off the road rubber-necking. And what were all >those spectators doing there? From the looks of the area, I'd bet that it's somewhere in the Alps (or similar) - definitely Europe. There is a pull-off parking area to the left (as the car approaches the camera) probably for a wiewing area to look at the scenery - there are a lot of those scattered about. But it does look like the guy in the car was going to try and play Hero going around the corner - the camera person was definitely set up to do so. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 18:07:01 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Honda 1000 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:54:00 -0400 Smoking gun has a picture of a RC51, not a 1000RR, I hadn't thought of the RC51, how does it's top speed compare to the 1000RR? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0922042speed1.html _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 18:12:17 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: joey harding , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- joey harding wrote: > Bring your car over, sit in the driver's seat and I'll > stand someplace you can't see me. Excluding in the trunk, underneath the car, and anywhere else where you can't be seen at all from the driver's position, would you care to put a little money on that? Let's say $1,000? More if you like. Think a bit before you reply. -- Larry _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 18:12:17 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Honda 1000 On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, rich hall wrote: > Smoking gun has a picture of a RC51, not a 1000RR, I hadn't thought of the > RC51, how does it's top speed compare to the 1000RR? > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0922042speed1.html About 165mph top speed for an RC51. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 18:21:40 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:21:11 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d9155e74328d9a9bb7a9a5c59bb10299350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > Think a bit before you reply. [Dave] I agree, and further suggest it be done off list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 18:54:30 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: joey harding Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX nah, you win. --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- joey harding wrote: > > > Bring your car over, sit in the driver's seat and > I'll > > stand someplace you can't see me. > > Excluding in the trunk, underneath the car, and > anywhere else where you can't be > seen at all from the driver's position, would you > care to put a little money on > that? Let's say $1,000? More if you like. > > Think a bit before you reply. > > -- Larry > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 19:11:31 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , joey harding , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:12:14 -0400 Be carefully. Larry has a disco ball instead of a rear view mirror. Rob On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (PDT), pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote > --- joey harding wrote: > > > Bring your car over, sit in the driver's seat and I'll > > stand someplace you can't see me. > > Excluding in the trunk, underneath the car, and anywhere else where > you can't be seen at all from the driver's position, would you care > to put a little money on that? Let's say $1,000? More if you like. > > Think a bit before you reply. > > -- Larry > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 20:55:47 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:55:21 EDT Subject: Re: Need help with PA DMV To: viffermaniac@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Paul, As far as I know, PA doesn't have a trip tag. You can, however, get a Temp (cardboard) tag for the trip. Any dealer in PA should be able to issue you one for the trip. When my sister sold her Susuki Samurai, my father got a temp tag from a PA dealer, came down to WV, picked up the car and drove it back. I think they will issue the tag for 7 days in that instance. DMV does not issue tags from their satelite offices. I think they mail the hard tags directly from Harrisburg. Hope this helps. Scooter In a message dated 9/27/2004 3:37:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: Scooter, or anyone else familiar with PA wanna chime in on this? I'm on the horns of a dilemma (sounds painful) I think I finally found a jurisdiction with a more confusing DMV set-up than DC. Pennsylvania, specifically. There appear to be literally scores of independent license agents in Pa., and no official "DMV" service locations. I'm highest bidder on a new-to-me KLR on eBay and it's in PA, and I'm hoping to ride it back to DC next weekend. I'm having a hard time finding provisions to buy a "trip permit." In VA, it's so easy. Just apply on-line. Unfortunately, this is available only to VA sellers or residents. These seem to be my options + PA trip permit (dunno if such a thing exists, or how to get one, or if the PO is willing to do it for me. ) + DC apparently doesn't offer such a critter as a "transit" or "trip" permit, so that's not an option. + Ride it with hard tag from another bike (LEO unfriendly in the event of stoppage, but a "friend" of mine has done it before) + DC temp tag (Fed-Ex cashier's check, receive title from PO, etc. Don't want to do this, as I want to reserve the right to back out of the deal if the bike is not as advertised) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 20:57:46 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Headchecks (was Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:57:24 -0400 So many good pluses here re imperative headchecks. My improvement on the MSF's recos - make it a double-quick motion. Or triple. A Murphy's Law corollary: if there is any space in front, it will be filled the instant one's eyes stray from it. This lesson learned very early on in a cage while merging - it got a broken nose. Have had only puckers since but have considered writing MSF several times about emphasizing head turn speed. Even with a double set of mirrors, a headcheck is always my last motion before a lane change. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Head check. Shouldn't a doctor do that? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 27 22:57:07 2004 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:56:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Be carefully. Larry has a disco ball instead of a rear view mirror. --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Be carefully. Larry has a disco ball instead of a rear view mirror. Damn, Rob, you blew the gig. 8;) But what I *do* have is two cars with no tops at all, and overlapping mirrors. Has anyone ever seen a moto equivalent or derivative of the "wink" mirror? -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 09:30:59 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Honda 1000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:30:48 -0400 Correct me if I am wrong I don't even think that particular model of RC51 is in showrooms yet. Is there anyone in media that rides anything other then a Bus or cab sheeeeezey!.. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda 1000 On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, rich hall wrote: > Smoking gun has a picture of a RC51, not a 1000RR, I hadn't thought of the > RC51, how does it's top speed compare to the 1000RR? > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0922042speed1.html About 165mph top speed for an RC51. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 10:36:39 2004 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Lasix and riding To: DC Cycles I just had Lasix yesterday and I am still getting used to the results. If any of you had it, how long did you wait to ride and what adjustments did you make? Thanks Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 10:46:43 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:46:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Lasix and riding I had LASIK in Feb 1999 on both eyes. I was driving 2 days later ;-) Although I was only what they termed "mildly nearsighted" I went to better than 20-20 in both eyes. After effects included increased eye dryness (I had it before due to allergies) and increased "haloing" of lights at night (again, it was a problem for me before surgery). Overall it's been awesome: no contacts, no glasses. -Sean Mark Kitchell wrote: > I just had Lasix yesterday and I am still getting used > to the results. If any of you had it, how long did > you wait to ride and what adjustments did you make? > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 10:56:40 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:56:26 EDT Subject: Re: Lasix and riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep, had it done back in March. Hell, I drove (car) myself back to the doctors office the next day for my followup. Was on the bike that night for a nice little evening cruise. :-D The surgeon said it was perfectly alright to do. No adjustments necessary other than getting used to not lifting visor and pushing glasses up on my nose and now having peripheral vision. Never wore contacts. :-) You might also have a little bit of a halo affect while driving at night for a while. If you had it prior to the surgery, it'll probably be the same and then decrease. If you didn't have it before, it'll take a little getting used to until it decreases/disappears. It's the best thing I've ever done and I'm sorry I didn't get it done sooner. My sister had it done about 3 years ago and she was legally blind without glasses or contacts. Congrats and I'll SEE you out there. Scooter In a message dated 9/28/2004 10:37:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: I just had Lasix yesterday and I am still getting used to the results. If any of you had it, how long did you wait to ride and what adjustments did you make? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 11:03:46 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:03:32 EDT Subject: Re: Lasix and riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes. Forgot that part. Use the eye drops they give you and don't rub your eyes for however long they tell you. A week I think. After my 3 month check-up, my eyes were back to normal and I haven't had to use any drops in them. I bought a bottle of ClearEyes just in case but, have only had to use them once. My left eye is now at 20-15 and the right is at 20-20. Scooter (I see said the blind man :-) ) In a message dated 9/28/2004 10:47:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sean@XXXXXX writes: I had LASIK in Feb 1999 on both eyes. I was driving 2 days later ;-) Although I was only what they termed "mildly nearsighted" I went to better than 20-20 in both eyes. After effects included increased eye dryness (I had it before due to allergies) and increased "haloing" of lights at night (again, it was a problem for me before surgery). Overall it's been awesome: no contacts, no glasses. -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 12:02:45 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Riding in China Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:05:47 -0400 Hopefully the mirror thread is long dead. If not, here's a post from Tall Carl to SabMag to divert your attention: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:36:21 +0800 From: Carl Parker Subject: Re: Gettin' Yer Panties In A Bunch More thoughts from China.... Randy from the Zhong Guo said: >After growing up on a diet of J. Edgar Hoover-approved descriptions of life >in Communist China, I expected to find a totalitarian, over-regulated >society when I arrived. Instead, I find a legal tradition that is more like >the ancient saying, The emperor is far away. Actually, what I found was bunch of some of the best people I've ever met, cheap beer, easy living, incredible countryside, and a world of opportunities 100 times greater than Washingtoone DC. If you think the emperor is far away in ZhengZhou you should try Chengdu! Western China is distinctively different than the east in many many ways...sometimes similar to the US. >The Chinese drivers and riders I see are superbly conditioned and have an accident rate far, far >lower than the delightful American braindead cagers we all love to hate. >But, despite excellent reflexes, they don t make very rapid progress and >they don t seem to be having much fun. Having two motorcycles in China and using them for daily transportation I'd like to offer a counter point. People driving on the roads here are insane and I see accidents daily. Drivers education is a joke. The tests are ridiculous. Most drivers you see on the road have maybe two years of experience. Truck drivers are a different matter. Actually I see accidents everytime I go out in Chengdu. Most are minor but some are serious. And even though the chaos may seem a bit daunting at times when you really get into this lawless driving it actually becomes quite enjoyable for the reason that it's "alive". The random guy cutting you off - which would get most American's panties in a bunch - here is to be expected at every intersection and it becomes a way of life. Stay alert and you'll be okay. Add in the hundreds of thousands of pedestrians, bicyclists, and pedicabs that cross 6 lane roads whenever, wherever and however they want and you're literally in a driver's ed NIGHTMARE. I'm sure some people here have spent time in developing countries but China is 1.3 billion people a good portion of which ride motos not for fun but because it's a necessary, cheap, and efficient means of transportation. Lots of people; lots of chaos. After riding a short while in China and then riding in Australia I found the Aussie driving behavior (at least around Melbourne) to be even more organized and sterile than in the US. To be honest I didn't even know what to do with it at first because it almost seamed dead, as in a driving community devoid of that sweet sweet chaotic character. Then I found that practically anything I did pissed people off. In Chengdu you can regularly speed right past cops and they don't care. Motorcycles have half car/half bicycle rules so you can ride the bicycle lanes, make your way across red lights that aren't too busy, and filtering is a necessity. It's great to filter up to a front of a long line of cars and see a bunch of riders on their red JiaLing 125's (I know you've seen ten of thousands of those Randy) loaded with enormous wicker baskets crammed with veggies. Roll the throttle a few times, give a smile, and suddenly you've got 5 or 6 guys revving their bikes and when the light changes we all take off with 125cc's of pure fury. Racing 125's is sweet! Many of the riders here love it. Sometimes it really isn't how fast you're going relative to the ground that's the thrill, it's how fast you're going relative to the people with you that makes it fun. We never break 60-70km/h but have a good time getting there. I've often heard people say they don't understand how riding a 50cc could be any fun. Try it! >Ride your own ride is the rule of the land. I'm not a very religious man but...Amen to that brother! >the pleasure that we obtained from riding on two >wheels will be largely lost. Riding would be hazardous, not fun, and riding >fast would be suicidal. I disagree. Two wheels is two wheels and even riding a bicycle is fun. Even just having your own transportation is nice isn't it? On top of that you still get the engine between your legs, saddle under your ass, and handlebars to hold on to. Sure it's not a superfine 1300cc 140+hp engine but do you really need that to have fun? Hell, motorcross riders get airborne with 250's and smaller...it really depends on the bike and the rider. Additionally, I can tell you that as a traveler in China the motorcycle is the way to go. Why? One reason is because of cost. In almost three weeks and 3100km I only spent about 120USD for everything and about 50 of that was gifts to temples, monasteries, and poor families. Another is that as soon as you get out of the smokey smokey towns, the countryside is filled with poor folk who love to talk to people on motorcycles because you instantly have something in common with them. In contrast, imagine pulling up in a brand new Toyota Landcruiser with full on stereo, leather seats and a driver. You know what the locals think? "Another fucking official", and many of the worst most aggressive drivers on the road are the officials who have the holier-than-thou-crown shoved up their ass. These guys are the worst. But to the townfolk, many of them ride, know the conditions of the road and drivers and understand that its not easy. They give you respect and are very willing to be helpful and social. Understand that they have nothing but will give you whatever they have. In the countryside of China and Tibet are some of the biggest hearted fun loving people I have ever met and I miss every single one of them I have encountered. So you share some jokes and stories with them - maybe you give some kids candy - but return you have good times and experiences that will, and this cannot be over-emphasized, BLOW YOUR MIND. How many times have people run the Dragon? It even sounds like the Cherohala is getting it's fair share of traffic and stupidity now. No doubt these are beautiful roads but that's not the same things as taking a dirt trail off a dirt highway and crossing a 100 year old hand built wood/rope suspension bridge and ending up in a Tibetan town (at 13,500feet) where they have NEVER seen a foreigner before. You eat their food (which is all barley), drink their wine (which is also barley), sleep in their beds (which are wood with very thin mats stuffed with barley stalks) and understand a tiny bit about their lives. How many times you ever stopped on the BRP (one of my favorite roads) and a 90 year old women seriously tells her granddaughter that she should go with you to keep you safe and warm? Or how many places have you ridden to where the women in the family breast feed each others' children...even the grandmother??? Yeah the riding is a bit hazardous but it is an indescribable amount of fun...continually beyond my wildest imagination. As far as it being suicidal...people find ways to survive...these people out here do it everyday and we can too. School doesn't teach you survival - life does. I will never forget these roads despite the craziness...in fact I love it that much more because of it. I will never forget these cheap and tiny machines...they are the enormous portion of the world's motorcycle population. I will never forget these people...daily, I think about these new friends and wonder how they are. I will never forget this time...never. And there is much more to come. RIDE! RIDE! RIDE! Much Love from Sichuan, HighC P.S. I never say never. :) 90' Honda AX-1 - Misty Mountain Hop 02' Zhong Xing 150 - nameless 98' Bandit 1200S - Shadow Cat From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 12:02:59 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Lasix and riding Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:02:52 -0400 > > From: Mark Kitchell > Date: 2004/09/28 Tue AM 10:36:29 EDT > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Lasix and riding > > I just had Lasix yesterday and I am still getting used > to the results. If any of you had it, how long did > you wait to ride and what adjustments did you make? > Thanks > > Mark > had Lasix done about 6 years ago. Took about a month to get rid of the halo effect but I could drive during the daytime with no problem within a couple of days. Evening rides were ok after about a week. Every person differs though and some people don't have any halo effects at all and other can take months to get rid of it. Either way, as always, make sure you have proper eye protection and you may find that you're a little more sensitive to bright light...especially for the first couple of weeks. Besides that, I'd definately go through it again. It's still weird for me to just buy a set of sunglasses and not wonder if I can get prescription lenses put in. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 15:29:14 2004 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:29:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Lasix and riding To: DC Cycles --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I just had Lasix yesterday and I am still getting used > to the results. If any of you had it, how long did > you wait to ride and what adjustments did you make? When we used to give Lasix to our horses, we didn't wait at all to ride, and they went *really* fast. ymmv, of course. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 16:44:35 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need help with PA DMV Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:43:56 -0400 Dad brought his bike back from PA, also after winning it on EBay. The seller was a dealer though. Guessing that's not the case. But he also had trouble getting a transfer plate. He ended up using a dealer tag and then mailing it back to them. Not sure if that helps at all. >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Need help with PA DMV >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:36:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > >Scooter, or anyone else familiar with PA wanna chime in on this? > >I'm on the horns of a dilemma (sounds painful) > >I think I finally found a jurisdiction with a more confusing DMV set-up >than DC. Pennsylvania, specifically. There appear to be literally scores >of independent license agents in Pa., and no official "DMV" service >locations. > >I'm highest bidder on a new-to-me KLR on eBay and it's in PA, and I'm >hoping to ride it back to DC next weekend. I'm having a hard time finding >provisions to buy a "trip permit." In VA, it's so easy. Just apply >on-line. Unfortunately, this is available only to VA sellers or residents. > >These seem to be my options > >+ PA trip permit (dunno if such a thing exists, or how to get one, or if >the PO is willing to do it for me. ) > >+ DC apparently doesn't offer such a critter as a "transit" or "trip" >permit, so that's not an option. > >+ Ride it with hard tag from another bike (LEO unfriendly in the event of >stoppage, but a "friend" of mine has done it before) > >+ DC temp tag (Fed-Ex cashier's check, receive title from PO, etc. Don't >want to do this, as I want to reserve the right to back out of the deal if >the bike is not as advertised) > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 17:03:03 2004 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:02:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need help with PA DMV -----Original Message----- From: rich hall Dad brought his bike back from PA, also after winning it on EBay. The seller was a dealer though. Guessing that's not the case. But he also had trouble getting a transfer plate. He ended up using a dealer tag and then mailing it back to them. Not sure if that helps at all. ---- Thanks. Scooter (and a KLRista) suggested just going to a dealer. PO doesn't seem to be interested in doing any leg work. NB: if you have a Virginia DL, as a buyer you can buy a 3-day transit tag on-line for $5. Easy and civilized. http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/temp_permit.asp Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 17:17:11 2004 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Lasix and riding To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles I rode the next day to my check up appt. Was I supposed to be careful about something? Todd --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I just had Lasix yesterday and I am still getting > used > to the results. If any of you had it, how long did > you wait to ride and what adjustments did you make? > Thanks > > Mark > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 17:23:39 2004 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Lasix and riding To: Todd Withrow , DC Cycles Well I was told to avoid riding for a week so nothing would impact the eye. However, the adjustment I am referring to is adjustment to having good vision again. My situation is complicated, sufice to say my brain is now learing how to use my eyes differently now. --- Todd Withrow wrote: > I rode the next day to my check up appt. Was I > supposed to be careful about something? > > Todd > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I just had Lasix yesterday and I am still getting > > used > > to the results. If any of you had it, how long > did > > you wait to ride and what adjustments did you > make? > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now > society wants to childproof the world. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 17:45:56 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Rider Status from Summit Point? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:51:08 -0400 Anyone know the status of the WERA rider that took the chopper ride out Sunday? Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 18:02:43 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: "Gary Foreman" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Rider Status from Summit Point? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:55:04 -0400 He did not survive. http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=634bc28afb1071bf180281367bf4c7e2&threadid=60548 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Foreman" > Anyone know the status of the WERA rider that took the chopper ride out > Sunday? > > Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 18:15:43 2004 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:18:56 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Gary Foreman CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Rider Status from Summit Point? Gary Foreman wrote: > Anyone know the status of the WERA rider that took the chopper ride out > Sunday? > > Gary > Unfortunately he passed away. :( Our thoughts and prayers go to his family, friends and girlfriend. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 18:32:26 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider Status from Summit Point? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:20:42 -0400 Damn. My condolences. God Speed. From: Laura Roach To: Gary Foreman CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Rider Status from Summit Point? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:18:56 -0400 Gary Foreman wrote: >Anyone know the status of the WERA rider that took the chopper ride out >Sunday? > >Gary > Unfortunately he passed away. :( Our thoughts and prayers go to his family, friends and girlfriend. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 19:40:23 2004 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:40:14 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lasix and riding http://michaelj.smugmug.com/photos/9095496-M.jpg The gentleman in the aforementioned URL (AMA and WERA National racer Matt Lynn) is getting Lasik this week. If you look carefully through his visor, you can see a strip of duct tape holding his glasses in place. His contacts tend to dry out and bother him mid-race. I'll pass along his post-prodcedure observations when I talk to him next. (I took this shot over this past weekend at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 28 21:18:11 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rider Status from Summit Point? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:23:24 -0400 Damn! That's two people I've seen ride that chopper in two days. My prayers are with his family. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:55 PM To: Gary Foreman; 'DC Cycles' Subject: Re: Rider Status from Summit Point? He did not survive. http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=634bc28afb1071bf180281367bf4c7e2&thre adid=60548 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Foreman" > Anyone know the status of the WERA rider that took the chopper ride > out Sunday? > > Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 00:50:16 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:50:29 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Lasix and riding At 06:40 PM 9/28/04 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote: >http://michaelj.smugmug.com/photos/9095496-M.jpg > >The gentleman in the aforementioned URL (AMA and WERA National racer >Matt Lynn) is getting Lasik this week. If you look carefully through >his visor, you can see a strip of duct tape holding his glasses in >place. His contacts tend to dry out and bother him mid-race. If he's getting Lasik that soon he wouldn't be able to wear the contacts anyway. I think they want you to be out of them for a month or two before the surgery, so your corneas return to whatever shape they have naturally, when not being compressed by contacts (even soft ones). The friend who got asked to leave the MSF class just had it done, and that was the case. She's also taking private riding lessons now, and having a blast at last report. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 07:17:29 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Need help with PA DMV To: Paul Wilson , rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX so what is stopping you from asking a va. friend to acquire a trip tag for you? --- Paul Wilson wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: rich hall > > > Dad brought his bike back from PA, also after winning it > on EBay. The > seller was a dealer though. Guessing that's not the > case. But he also had > trouble getting a transfer plate. He ended up using a > dealer tag and then > mailing it back to them. Not sure if that helps at all. > > ---- > > Thanks. Scooter (and a KLRista) suggested just going to > a dealer. PO doesn't seem to be interested in doing any > leg work. > > NB: if you have a Virginia DL, as a buyer you can buy a > 3-day transit tag on-line for $5. Easy and civilized. > > http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/temp_permit.asp > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 07:20:40 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock To: Mike Bartman , Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:02 AM 9/27/04 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > >However, I was in a group of bikes and was paying a lot > of attention to > >the other riders as well as the road. If you've ridden > with a group, you > >know the dynamics change. I'm watching the guy behind me > who's too close > >and watching the guy to the front since we're riding > offset as well as > >watching the leader so we know where we're going. I was > 3rd or 4th in the > >group so had less reaction time to leader shifting. When > I'm on my own, > >I'm able to devote more attention to the surroundings. > > Group riding has some different demands, yes, but the > most important rule > is: Ride Your Own Ride. I.e. you are still responsible > for yourself, so > don't just follow the leader blindly or feel pressured to > do anything you > think is unsafe just because the group is doing it. > > It's also worth finding out how a given group handles > normal riding > situations. A good road captain (leader) will start with > a briefing before > the start of the ride to make sure everyone knows the > rules for the ride, > and any other relevant info. What the hand signals are, > what will happen > if someone has to stop for any reason, how lane changes > will be done, > whether, and how, "holes" are to be filled in when a bike > drops out, etc.. > > The two main methods I've seen for lane changes are the > blockade and the > snake. did anyone request this lesson? mike, stop trying to "teach" us until you have learned from your own mistakes, ok? it just doesn't feel right. -- tg > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > is better. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 09:10:58 2004 From: Daniel To: Subject: re: 205 mph honda Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:10:45 -0400 Am I the only one wondering how many other victims this trigger happy cop has nailed with faulty vascar techniques? am i the only one who feels they should do away with vascar? I mean we do live in the 21st century and have technology. On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:31:04 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, rich hall wrote: > >> Smoking gun has a picture of a RC51, not a 1000RR, I hadn't thought of the >> RC51, how does it's top speed compare to the 1000RR? >> >> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0922042speed1.html > >About 165mph top speed for an RC51. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 09:19:59 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: re: 205 mph honda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Agreed, same with Radar. Radar has such a wide profile the cop can easily mistake your speed for a (usually larger) vehicle around you. Ever been on your bike and gone past one of those "The Speed Limit is 35, your speed is..." signs? I always blip the throttle to push my speed up :-) and if there is another car even several hundred feet behind me, its picks them up over me. If its a bus or truck, a lot further back. Glenn --- Daniel wrote: > Am I the only one wondering how many other victims > this trigger happy > cop has nailed with faulty vascar techniques? am i > the only one who > feels they should do away with vascar? I mean we > do live in the 21st > century and have technology. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 09:21:16 2004 From: Daniel To: Leon Begeman Cc: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:21:01 -0400 Actually, I didn't state we should use it, I stated that when he did use it, it would have been better suited on his original post. : ) Pay attention to details if you're going ot call me out on them leon :) That said, you are (of course) correct. I spose' I should have said "I believe it's generally better to go faster than the flow of traffic" and I think we were all talking about in the context of riding on the highway,, normal to light traffic non rush hour. It is of course stupid to go faster than the flow of traffic when it's hectic and cars are darting to the next lane because traffic is all backed up. Danny IMO - just in case :) On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 05:29:49 -0700 (PDT), Leon Begeman wrote: >Damn, I was going to stay out of this, but now we get >a post that indicates others should use "IMO" then >forgets it for his own opinion. Sorry Danny, but >this: >--- Daniel wrote: >> another thing is, its better to go faster than the >> flow of traffic.... >> you have to worry less about what's behind you then. > >is also an opinion. My personal opinion is that one >should travel at an appropriate speed for the >conditions, sometimes that is faster than traffic, >other times it is slower. The biggest problem I see >with travelling faster is that it takes more time to >stop. One is more likely to hit a stationary object >(or an antlered forest rat) when traveling faster. > >Leon Begeman > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 09:52:45 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:52:38 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: re: 205 mph honda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX GD: >Agreed, same with Radar. Radar has such a wide >profile the cop can easily mistake your speed for a >(usually larger) vehicle around you. [Dave] Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Honestly, I'm happy with the status quo. LiDAR is MUCH, MUCH more acurate when used correctly, and is infinitely more difficult to beat in court. We all KNOW that radar and VASCAR aren't 100%, VASCAR is a glorified stop watch. We've all seen tickets written for bogus stuff in our lifetimes, and certainly legitimate ones too. But let's not wish upon ourselves a worse solution like Gatsos or some DC like revenue generation. This ticket will be a good thing, if the victim challenges it with a good traffic lawyer. It will expose VASCAR for the fraud it is. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 10:05:08 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:05:05 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: re: 205 mph honda Here's the story, from the point of view of land speed drivers: http://www.landracing.com/news/205.html ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Daniel Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:10:45 -0400 >Am I the only one wondering how many other victims this trigger happy >cop has nailed with faulty vascar techniques? am i the only one who >feels they should do away with vascar? I mean we do live in the 21st >century and have technology. > > >On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:31:04 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Edelen > wrote: > >>On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, rich hall wrote: >> >>> Smoking gun has a picture of a RC51, not a 1000RR, I hadn't thought of the >>> RC51, how does it's top speed compare to the 1000RR? >>> >>> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0922042speed1.html >> >>About 165mph top speed for an RC51. >> >>-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 10:15:55 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:15:44 -0400 From: Brian Roach CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda This has been my thought on this since it was revealed that the guy was riding an RC51. He's riding a motorcycle not capable of even *approaching* 205mph. Maybe 160 or 170 ... on a good day, with a tailwind ... downhill. Given the fact that the officer wrote a ticket for a speed the vehicle isn't even capable of, how much more of his testimony in court (i.e. his opinion of how fast the bike was really going) can a good lawyer cast doubt on. I still think the rider is an idiot, but with a good lawyer he might get off a whole lot easier than one would think. - Roach Dave Yates wrote: > This ticket will be a good thing, if the victim challenges it > with a good traffic lawyer. It will expose VASCAR for the > fraud it is. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 10:33:52 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: FS: 2001 Honda CBR929RR, Very Clean, Very Low Miles Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:33:37 -0400 http://www.mofomoto.com/929.htm Thanks for looking!! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 11:06:06 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FS: 2001 Honda CBR929RR, Very Clean, Very Low Miles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX hard-core understatement. i've seen this bike.... it is immaculate and very well cared for. literally showroom quality but with a bonus.... an erion pipe. what're you looking to get for it, bruce? --- Bruce N wrote: > http://www.mofomoto.com/929.htm > > Thanks for looking!! > Bruce > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 11:11:01 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:08:40 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 04:20 AM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >mike, stop trying to "teach" us until you have learned from >your own mistakes, ok? it just doesn't feel right. What makes you think I haven't? Or that there might not be people in the local HOG group who have far more experience than you do, and that they've worked out rules based on that? >> Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from >> someone else's mistakes is better. Apparently you are unable to do the second, I hope you can at least do the first. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 11:18:37 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: FS: 2001 Honda CBR929RR, Very Clean, Very Low Miles Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:16:36 -0400 $6200. I think it's worth every penny. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > hard-core understatement. i've seen this bike.... it is > immaculate and very well cared for. literally showroom > quality but with a bonus.... an erion pipe. what're you > looking to get for it, bruce? > > > > --- Bruce N wrote: > >> http://www.mofomoto.com/929.htm >> >> Thanks for looking!! >> Bruce = From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 11:31:01 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:20 AM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >mike, stop trying to "teach" us until you have learned > from > >your own mistakes, ok? it just doesn't feel right. > > What makes you think I haven't? how many miles you got on that pig now? > Or that there might not > be people in the > local HOG group who have far more experience than you do, > and that they've > worked out rules based on that? and their combined knowledge has filtered into your brain through osmosis? if i followed every hand signal i ever received, i'd be a hood ornament 10 times over. good luck on your next poker run. > >> Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > >> someone else's mistakes is better. > > Apparently you are unable to do the second, I hope you > can at least do the > first. and this makes sense how? probably just your inability to stop typing. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 12:10:20 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Norton Subject: Re: 205 mph honda To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Here's a link to the message board where the guy riding the bike gives details... http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10677&page=5&pp=15&highlight=205 Dave Yates wrote: >GD: > > >>Agreed, same with Radar. Radar has such a wide >>profile the cop can easily mistake your speed for a >>(usually larger) vehicle around you. >> >> > >[Dave] Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. >Honestly, I'm happy with the status quo. LiDAR is MUCH, MUCH >more acurate when used correctly, and is infinitely more >difficult to beat in court. We all KNOW that radar and >VASCAR aren't 100%, VASCAR is a glorified stop watch. We've >all seen tickets written for bogus stuff in our lifetimes, >and certainly legitimate ones too. But let's not wish upon >ourselves a worse solution like Gatsos or some DC like >revenue generation. > >This ticket will be a good thing, if the victim challenges it >with a good traffic lawyer. It will expose VASCAR for the >fraud it is. > > >Dave Yates > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 13:40:48 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:40:49 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 08:30 AM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> At 04:20 AM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >> >> >mike, stop trying to "teach" us until you have learned >> from >> >your own mistakes, ok? it just doesn't feel right. >> >> What makes you think I haven't? > >how many miles you got on that pig now? On this particular bike? About 6200. At least a third of them in group riding, more or less. How many group riding miles have you done recently? >> Or that there might not be people in the >> local HOG group who have far more experience than you do, >> and that they've worked out rules based on that? > >and their combined knowledge has filtered into your brain >through osmosis? No, though example, spoken instruction and written rules. You may be a microbe that does everything by osmosis, but I've climbed a bit farther up the evolutionary ladder than that. >if i followed every hand signal i ever received, i'd be a >hood ornament 10 times over. good luck on your next poker >run. What part of "ride your own ride" couldn't you understand? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 13:59:14 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 08:30 AM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > >> At 04:20 AM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >> > >> >mike, stop trying to "teach" us until you have > learned > >> from > >> >your own mistakes, ok? it just doesn't feel right. > >> > >> What makes you think I haven't? > > > >how many miles you got on that pig now? > > On this particular bike? About 6200. At least a third > of them in group > riding, more or less. How many group riding miles have > you done recently? about 10k miles per year for as long as i can remember. > >> Or that there might not be people in the > >> local HOG group who have far more experience than you > do, > >> and that they've worked out rules based on that? > > > >and their combined knowledge has filtered into your > brain > >through osmosis? > > No, though example, spoken instruction and written rules. > You may be a > microbe that does everything by osmosis, but I've climbed > a bit farther up > the evolutionary ladder than that. :| i bet you feel very confident in your group riding prowess then, in your 2000 miles, with spoken instruction and written rules. > >if i followed every hand signal i ever received, i'd be > a > >hood ornament 10 times over. good luck on your next > poker > >run. > > What part of "ride your own ride" couldn't you > understand? the part where you went 8 paragraphs further, instructing me just how i should go about riding my own ride. i can't be the only lister who feels this way.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 14:04:27 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Richard Sainct Dies To: DC Cycles , VFR A big loss for rally fans: French rider Sainct killed in Rally of the Pharaohs ROME (AFP) - French motorcyclist Richard Sainct was killed in an accident during the fourth stage of the Rally of the Pharoahs in Egypt, race organiser Massimo Garbaccio told AFP from his Rome office. Sainct, 34, fell during the first special, Garbaccio said. "He was airlifted by helicopter but he died on arrival at the field hospital," he added. Sainct won the race in 2002. He also won the Paris-Dakar three times, riding for BMW in 1999 and 2000, and KTM in 2003. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 14:10:01 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:09:52 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Tom; My enjoyment of the DC Cycles list has increased tremendously since I added Bartman to my spam filter. However, you've found a way to circumvent that mechanism by quoting large chunks of Bartman verbosity in your replies! ;-) Set phasers on vaporize, Mr. Gimer! Update your filters, it's clear that you'd not be losing any valuable info if you created an e-mail rule to delete Bartman upon reciept... Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 14:43:30 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > On this particular bike? About 6200. At least a > third of them in group > riding, more or less. How many group riding miles > have you done recently? > I for one can say that Tom has led (for most of the way) on two rides I put together in the last month accumulationg close to 1100 miles. Glenn _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 15:02:48 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > On this particular bike? About 6200. At least a > > third of them in group > > riding, more or less. How many group riding miles > > have you done recently? > > > > I for one can say that Tom has led (for most of the > way) on two rides I put together in the last month > accumulationg close to 1100 miles. yeah, but we didn't have written or spoken instructions. so.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 15:10:30 2004 Subject: Waterproofing Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:10:27 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" I just got back from riding two days in the remnants of the hurricane (overly worded post about it to follow when I can be bothered to finish it) and have found a question that needs asking. What's a good waterproofing spray for clothing and bags? I managed to stay dry in my four-year old Thermosuit for about 3 hours of absolute downpours. After that, everything started to get soaked through. Is there any kind of spray that can handle this kind of punishment? --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 15:29:35 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:29:58 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 10:59 AM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >i bet you feel very confident in your group riding prowess >then, in your 2000 miles, with spoken instruction and >written rules. Confident enough to keep doing it. I also figure that the combined riding experience of those who put together the rules dwarfs your paltry total. If you think you know best, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us all as to where the HOG rules and procedures are lacking? Specifically? As Louis Pasteur demonstrated, you can learn valuable things from studying the habits of microbes... >> >if i followed every hand signal i ever received, i'd be a >> >hood ornament 10 times over. good luck on your next >> poker run. >> >> What part of "ride your own ride" couldn't you >> understand? > >the part where you went 8 paragraphs further, instructing >me just how i should go about riding my own ride. Ah...your well-known reading comprehension problems arise again. Where did I instruct you in anything? I described how I've seen things done, and told you how the HOGs do them. If you think that was some sort of commandment for you to do the same, you are mistaken. I'd much rather you become a hood ornament, so by all means, feel free to ignore what I say and do as you like. I bet you could beat that 205 mph ticket if you worked at it hard enough... >i can't be the only lister who feels this way.... Probably not. There are others here with demonstrated reading comprehension deficits. Luckily the notes I'm getting off list show that it isn't universal. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 15:33:18 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:33:33 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 12:02 PM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Glenn Dysart wrote: >> I for one can say that Tom has led (for most of the >> way) on two rides I put together in the last month >> accumulationg close to 1100 miles. > >yeah, but we didn't have written or spoken instructions. >so.... Don't worry, you don't have to be a great leader to have followers, and learning from the experience of others is just a really good way to keep the cost of experience low, not the only way to learn. You are welcome to do it the hard way if you so choose. Thanks for the warning about your "leadership" style though. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 15:53:22 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:59 AM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >i bet you feel very confident in your group riding > prowess > >then, in your 2000 miles, with spoken instruction and > >written rules. > > Confident enough to keep doing it. I also figure that > the combined riding > experience of those who put together the rules dwarfs > your paltry total. > > If you think you know best, perhaps you'd care to > enlighten us all as to > where the HOG rules and procedures are lacking? i don't think i know best. i only think that of all the people i could learn from (you do plenty of what comes off as teaching on this list), it would most certainly not be the guy who does a couple of poker runs and a slab to delaware then considers himself an expert. > Specifically? As Louis > Pasteur demonstrated, you can learn valuable things from > studying the > habits of microbes... i'm sure the rules are fine.... if you're comfortable bringing such formality to what is supposed to be a free activity. i happen to i ride with a group that has spent thousands upon thousands of miles together over the years. we are comfortable with one another's styles, and don't need the formalities you have described. > >> >if i followed every hand signal i ever received, i'd > be a > >> >hood ornament 10 times over. good luck on your next > >> poker run. > >> > >> What part of "ride your own ride" couldn't you > >> understand? > > > >the part where you went 8 paragraphs further, > instructing > >me just how i should go about riding my own ride. > > Ah...your well-known reading comprehension problems arise > again. Where did > I instruct you in anything? "well, you have the snake pass and the block pass...." (or however you began your lesson of boredom) i'm a member of this list. shit like this comes off like teaching to me. consider sending to a specific individual rather than 300, and your teachings may be better accepted. > I described how I've seen > things done, and > told you how the HOGs do them. If you think that was > some sort of > commandment for you to do the same, you are mistaken. > I'd much rather you > become a hood ornament, so by all means, feel free to > ignore what I say and > do as you like. I bet you could beat that 205 mph ticket > if you worked at > it hard enough... > > >i can't be the only lister who feels this way.... > > Probably not. There are others here with demonstrated > reading > comprehension deficits. > > Luckily the notes I'm getting off list show that it isn't > universal. ah, the good ole' "off list" notes. do you feel all warm and fuzzy now in your cozy little nonexistent community of private buttplugs? how about a group electronic hug? -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 15:54:53 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: jkalmes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Waterproofing Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:42:38 -0400 I've had good luck with CampDry spray. Available at most outdoor stores. Otherwise, if you know you're really gonna get wet....try some Frogg Toggs. Not very pretty, but they do work. YMMV Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Waterproofing Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:10:27 -0400 I just got back from riding two days in the remnants of the hurricane (overly worded post about it to follow when I can be bothered to finish it) and have found a question that needs asking. What's a good waterproofing spray for clothing and bags? I managed to stay dry in my four-year old Thermosuit for about 3 hours of absolute downpours. After that, everything started to get soaked through. Is there any kind of spray that can handle this kind of punishment? --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 15:55:42 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:55:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: Mike Bartman , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:02 PM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >> I for one can say that Tom has led (for most of the > >> way) on two rides I put together in the last month > >> accumulationg close to 1100 miles. > > > >yeah, but we didn't have written or spoken instructions. > > >so.... > > Don't worry, you don't have to be a great leader to have > followers, and > learning from the experience of others is just a really > good way to keep > the cost of experience low, not the only way to learn. > You are welcome to > do it the hard way if you so choose. > > Thanks for the warning about your "leadership" style > though. you obviously don't get it. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 16:02:08 2004 Subject: Re: 205 mph honda From: lister lynch To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:02:07 -0400 And some ambitious (read: willing to pay the legal fees) ex-cons might be able to make a case that the procedure was faulty and have the convictions overturned that used this method. Or at least get the convictions from that issuing officer overturned. Makes a difference if you've got jail time on your record. Mike On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 10:15, Brian Roach wrote: > This has been my thought on this since it was revealed that the guy was > riding an RC51. > > He's riding a motorcycle not capable of even *approaching* 205mph. Maybe > 160 or 170 ... on a good day, with a tailwind ... downhill. > > Given the fact that the officer wrote a ticket for a speed the vehicle > isn't even capable of, how much more of his testimony in court (i.e. his > opinion of how fast the bike was really going) can a good lawyer cast > doubt on. > > I still think the rider is an idiot, but with a good lawyer he might get > off a whole lot easier than one would think. > > - Roach > > Dave Yates wrote: > > > This ticket will be a good thing, if the victim challenges it > > with a good traffic lawyer. It will expose VASCAR for the > > fraud it is. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 16:02:53 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:02:36 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Subject: Re: Waterproofing Cc: DC Cycles > What's a good waterproofing spray for clothing and bags? For the riding suit, try washing it in "Nikwax". They have other products for leather goods. Check out Andy Goldfine's Aerostich website for the stuff. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 16:12:10 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Waterproofing Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:12:01 -0400 "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > What's a good waterproofing spray for clothing and bags? For your bags - stick everything in double layered plastic trash bags. > I managed to stay dry in my four-year old Thermosuit for > about 3 hours of absolute downpours. After that, > everything started to get soaked through. Is there any > kind of spray that can handle this kind of punishment? IMO, you should just expect to get wet if you're going to spend several hours in the rain. Nikwax, CampDry, and the like will help but the most waterproof fabrics only do so much good once the water has found its way into the chinks in your armor (neck opening, arm cuffs, pants cuffs, etc). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 16:30:13 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:29:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > >so.... > > Don't worry, you don't have to be a great leader to have > followers ... > > Thanks for the warning about your "leadership" style > though. tg pithily replied: you obviously don't get it. ---- Good grief, Mike B. is giving me all the justification I need to ride solo in perpetuity. :) Luckily the "group" I associate with has never had written rules, just a few basic understandings, such as: 1) Ride your own ride, as in: you are responsible for you. Leader is not responsible for your riding too fast/over your head, picking a lousy line in a turn, failing to spot dead fauna in the road, failing to spot live fauna lurking in the weeds, etc. 2) Don't leave anyone behind; wait at all the major turns. Corollary to that: if you leave the ride, let another rider know, don't just disappear. 3) Have fun?? I guess that's one of the "understandings." Other rules: can't think of a single one. You don't need a extensive pre-ride briefing or elaborate hand signals for all this. I guess we just don't measure up the HOG Group Ride Gold Standard Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 16:47:45 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:47:37 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) Game, set, match. Hey Gimer, Anker says to keep up the goodwork. On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Tom Gimer wrote: > ah, the good ole' "off list" notes. do you feel all warm > and fuzzy now in your cozy little nonexistent community of > private buttplugs? -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 16:58:42 2004 Subject: My wet ride Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:58:18 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Warning: This is very long and probably quite boring to most. It's basically my rantings about spending two days on an FZ1 in the remnants of our most recent hurricane. There may be some good bits and writing it all down helps me learn from it. Take it or leave it as you will. I've mentioned a couple of times last weekend that I had a trip to take to the Blacksburg area. Well, it turns out that I didn't go to Blacksburg (that's next week perhaps), but ended up having to go to Roanoke and Lynchburg instead. I had to take some equipment out to be installed at a couple of sites and then call MCI to upgrade the connection at the two sites. For those that are interested, here's my soggy report, including steps I took leading up to the trip. First... a bike capable GPS. I'm horrible with directions and maps. I always *think* I know where I'm going until I realize that I don't really have a clue. I have a GPS for the truck, but it's actually a converted PDA and it's a bit too delicate for the bike. So... I did some hunting around and snagged a Garmin Legend from Best Buy. After a day of dinking with that, I realized that it wasn't quite up to par for me (I *NEED* turn by turn directions) and I managed to kill it. No idea how... one minute it was working, the next minute it wasn't. Anyway, I took that back and got a Garmin GPS V instead. This thing is the bees knees for me! Portrait or landscape mode, street or off-road, very readable, variable backlight intensity... comes with software, PC cable, car mounting kit, cigarette power adapter... Schweet! Anyway, I run by Boater's World thinking to get a waterproof cigarette lighter socket for the bike, along with a waterproof switch I've been meaning to pick up. I find a three way switch (bonus!) and the power socket. I'm ready to walk out when I see a wiring kit for a Garmin GPS V! Double schweetness! I put the socket back, snag the wiring kit and my switch and get back to the house for some wrenching. Wiring the GPS power cable is a breeze. It's already fused and the FZ1 is pretty easy to pull apart to get to existing wiring. I just follow an existing wire all the way up to the bars and add a few zip ties to make sure it doesn't wander around under the body panels and gas tank. Done in 10 minutes, including crimping the connectors for the battery terminals. Nice! Now... how to get the GPS itself on the bike... I know Garmin makes handlebar mounts (for mountain bikes, but my friend is using one on his Victory with no problems), so I go hunting. Best Buy, Circuit City, Wally World, CompUSA, Galyans, REI, and a few others I forgot... no dice. :( Damn... I consider just putting it in my tank bag and referring to it when I pull over for gas or food. Then it dawns on me... ZIP TIES! The Garmin V is the same width as the handle bar supports on my FZ! I smack some foam on the bottom of the Garmin and zip it to the bars. Not pretty, but it works without blocking the screen or the buttons. Go for a short ride to test it out... triple-digit safe! (Personal test track, don't try this at home). Not a wobble, not a budge (and yes, I also safety tethered it). Cool, I'm all set. Time to get the bags on right. I noticed when I had the body panels on that there were a couple of better tie down points for my Cortech bags than the ones I'd been using. Panels get yanked, ties installed. I also pull the license plate and mount the rear ties to the plate frame. Much better than previously! Of course, it's a good job I have rubber mounted turn signals, they're a bit too big to clear the bags. (Julian, I can show you this entire set up next time we meet, I think it'll work better for your R6). Now... stuff! Basic tools and electrical testing stuff tossed into bags. Rain gear. Bag condoms (rain gear for bags). Plexus. Rag. Cool flashing LED hazard light/flashlight for pulling over on side of road if needed. Money stash (in case I lose a wallet... it's been known to happen). Now for my stuff... Huge laptop (sux, but it's a job requirement this time), miscellaneous router equipment and cables, bathroom stuff (including soap and shampoo, I never trust that any place I stay will have them), towel, blanket (will explain in a minute), Meshtek jacket and gloves for when it's warm and dry, Firstgear Thermosuit for when it's cold or wet, Aerostitch Triple-Digit glove covers for rain, three pairs of over-the-calf socks (I hate socks falling down into my boots), two long-sleeve dri-weave shirts, dri-weave pants, bathroom stuff, a DVD, some new mapping software and a list of Geocaches in the areas I'll be at (I'm hoping to have about half a day free to explore). Off to work we go! Take care of some stuff at the office (in Herndon), check the weather (not looking good), check the routes again and update the GPS. I head down 28 south and jump on 66 West towards Front Royal. The GPS tells me to take 29 South after a few miles... NOT LIKELY! Traffic has sucked so far, but ALL of it is bailing off on 29. I stay on 66 and it clears up like magic. :) Smooth sailing down to I-81. I hop on 81 south. A fair bit more traffic, most of it tractor-trailers, but moving nicely and everyone appears to be being reasonable (I guess we're far enough out of DC that peoples brains start working again). I hop off for a burger somewhere near Woodstock (I'll check the GPS tomorrow). I put on the Thermosuit because it's starting to get cool and I *KNOW* I'm gonna hit rain soon. Back on 81 South. I head down 81 South, waving at a few kids in cars as I pass. I notice 5 other bikes going the opposite direction... a couple of Harley tourers, one rocket and a pair of Oldwings... one of which is a trike, the other towing a trailer. I don't think any of them saw me, but I waved regardless (I wave to anyone wearing anything more than a skull cap). I start to notice some drizzle, so I pull off at some little junction with nothing more than an Exxon station. I put the bag condoms on and my Aerostitch Triple-Digits (I can't rave enough about these things... they rock!). Back out we go. D@mn! I always forget the tank bag. Pull off at the next rest area (only about two miles away and rain isn't that hard yet... just a hair more than "misting"). Slap the tank bag cover on, peel myself out of my gear enough to use the facilities and come back out to a lot more rain. :( As I'm gearing up again, I fend off 5 different people commenting on how much it must suck to be me right now. Oddly enough, I'm feeling quite the opposite and enjoying my wet little ride. Back to the road I go... I'm coming out of the rest area and everyone is nice enough to move over and give me room... with the exception of a freaking sheriff! Bastage! Ah well, I let the jerk pass since I'd rather have him in front of me than behind. Scoot on down the road we go. Starting to really come down now. Visibility still is okay, but the road has got to be slippery-er than I would like it (not that I'm about to find out the hard way). I just stick to a reasonable speed with the rest of the traffic, trying to stay out from between trucks so people can see me. Gas is good (better mileage than usual city stuff). I pass a trooper or two gunning for people, but they don't seem to mind my extra "padding" of the speed limit, I guess because everyone else is doing the same. I'd love to goose it up a bit, but not when it's wet. I do get occasional breaks in the rain, but definitely not enough to give me dry pavement. I ease on the brakes every so often just to dry 'em off and scrape off any accumulate road gunk. I don't really KNOW that it has any real effect, but it makes me happy and that's what counts. :) I get to a nice spot of fog coming off the mountains. I do a quick glance down at the GPS and notice that it has us at 1650 feet altitude, so I guess it could actually be a small cloud (not that there's too much difference at 75 mph). It looks nice on the mountains and the road seems to be mostly clear, so I don't worry about it too much. Just nice wet scenery all around. I pass a LOT of signs for caverns. I thought there were only two real caverns out here. I guess all these others are part of the same chain, just different access points. Ah well, some other day. There's a lot of traffic merging in one town... I think it was Harrisonburg, but can't swear to it. There's even a sign telling thru traffic to use the left lane. The semis immediately all move over and I decide to stay so I can see. No incidents, although I do slow up a couple of times to let people in. I figure it's safe to be seen and move out of the way than to be hidden behind a semi and not be able to move if someone doesn't see me. A ways later, I make it to the Natural Bridge exit and my destination for the night... KOA Kampgrounds. I strip down the bike and cover the ignition and instruments (I didn't have enough room to bring a full cover, so I'm using Hefty bags... never leave home without them!). I get the cabin set up (smells like wee... an inspection reveals the odor coming from outside, thankfully) and hang all my wet gear. Dinner is delivered - nothing special, but decent enough... grilled ham and pineapple. I scarf food. I go over my route for tomorrow to make sure I can get up in time to get to the client's site. I take a shower and write up this little bit and am now prepared to watch League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (if I gotta take a laptop, I'm sure gonna get the use out of it). So, until tomorrow... here's the basic stats from the GPS: Miles: 186 (all good, even the wet ones) Time moving: 2 hrs 48 minutes Time stopped: 1 hr 2 minutes Max speed: 92 mph (oops - I think it was when I was merging onto 66). Day 2. Well... my DVD was scratched, so I only got through about half of it before I turned in. Woke up a couple of times during the night, but all in all was fairly well rested. Weather was horrible. Raining MUCH more than when I went to bed. Quick check on the bike revealed that all was in order and that nothing "odd" (like a tree falling on it) had happened during the night. I strapped on all my gear, told the GPS where I wanted to go for the day and headed out. First stop... GAS! There was a Shell station right at the interstate (still I-81) so I filled up and headed south some more. Traffic was still reasonably light (it was about 7am), and I made good time down towards Roanoke (my first client stop). I went South on I-581 into downtown Roanoke. Very quickly realized that I was in a city again and people left their brains at home. Lots of traffic in really heavy rain and most of them didn't bother to look before changing lanes. Made it safely to Wells Avenue exit and then south on Jefferson. Spent about 10 minutes driving around looking for my client's site because Roanoke city planners don't believe that all odd numbered buildings belong on one side of a street and even numbers belong on the opposite side. Apparently my client's building is one of the exceptions. Once I'd figured out that I was "really close" I then went hunting for a parking spot. The first and only garage I could find was not for me... the attendant jumped up and starting waving her arms frantically trying to scare me off. "We don't park motorcycle here!" When I asked who did have MC parking she stated that they have an "open lot" down the street. When I explained that I can sit in the rain for hours on end, but that I prefer not to unless its absolutely necessary, all I got was a "Sorry, you can't park here." Bah... D@mn cagers! I did eventually settle for an open lot (different parking company of course) and left the bike RIGHT next to the attendants booth. Chatted with him for a bit to get a "friend factor" going so that I'd have a bit more confidence leaving two bags on the bike while I was doing office work. Found my client (required a phone call) and carried in my two "bags o' stuff" needed to upgrade her router. Laptop and upgrade chips survived the water nicely, so I did my deed, had a cup of coffee and scooted on my way. Back on the bike heading towards Lynchburg... The only reasonable route that I could find was 221/460. However, this is not a great route for riding after major rains. Roanoke has some serious drainage issues and there were at least 5 spots on the way out where water was gushing out of manhole covers in the middle of the road. About half were bad enough to take 6 lanes down to only 2. I had to go around two accidents, both of which were from the front vehicle stopping because he didn't want to run over the manhole "fountain" and the second vehicle rear-ended him. Some of the run-off from the manhole fountains quickly gathered to a 6 inch depth of fast flowing water. I had to go through one, but manage to go around the others. Once out of Roanoke, the road was better (4 lane divided highway) but had some areas that were quite flooded, generally also about 6 inches of water on the road. I either followed a tractor-trailer closely enough to use his "wash" or just went really slow to avoid major splashing and/or hydroplaning. I eventually made it to Lynchburg and noticed that the rain was slacking up a bit. Maybe I was driving out of our little storm. "A man can dream". Anyway... Pull up to the client site, which thankfully has their own parking lot this time and break out all my stuff to upgrade that router. I get the deed done and am eager to get on the way. The client decides to walk me out and then stands with me out in the rain for 5 minutes while I'm taking care of getting everything back on the bike. Rather odd. It has no bearing on the trip at all, but I thought I'd put it in here. 'Twas quite odd, IMO. Anyway... Where to go now? I can take the short trip home or I can take the scenic route. I'm on a bike... scenic route it is! I follow 501 N (which would be a great road when dry) towards the Blue Ridge parkway. I have to run a couple of lights because there's no traffic and my bike isn't triggering them. No big deal, just something I hate having to do. Some day I'll find out who makes those d@mn sensors and make them fix them for bikes! I have nice ride, but start to get a little bored. I notice my GPS showing me a couple of Geocache sites not too far from me, so I decide to check one out that someone had recommended to me (since they knew I'd be in the area). Keep in mind that I'd decided to store these locations because they were near my camp site, Natural Bridge... so I'm real close to where I was last night. I take 122 West (although it's actually more South than West) and follow the GPS to a little country one lane road called Red Hill Road. I stay on Red Hill Road as it turns into gravel. I can see from the GPS that it eventually leads me back to the Blue Ridge Parkway, so I decide to keep going. My gravel road takes some nasty downhill curves and I look down over the edge of the road to see the same road doubling back on itself twice. Hrm... "Ah well, I'm here, might as well finish it." I get to the end of the gravel and it becomes two dirt tire ruts going through the woods. This thing has got end somewhere! For me, it ended at a small "stream" with a wooden bridge for crossing it. This wasn't so bad except that it had been raining constantly for almost two days now and the small stream is easily 15 foot wide whitewater. The stream had also decide to relocate the bridge about 100 yards downstream in several small pieces. Whee! After checking this when I got home, I did manage to find this little road on one map. It was labeled "FR-somethingorother". I assume the FR means Fire Road. Must remember to avoid those in the future. Back we go! After determining that this is NOT the weather to be exploring in, I find a road I know and start trying to make some time up (it's probably close to 2:30 pm by now). I get back on 501 N and head for the Blue Ridge. The James river beside me is about twice it's normal size and is "clay red". I follow it an the CSX rail line up to the Blue Ridge and hop on, going North. The Blue Ridge is always nice. Even in nasty crap like the weather I'm in. Unfortunately, it's not in the best of shape. Limbs are down in the road, wet leaves are everywhere (a personal paranoia of mine... gravel and dirt I can handle. I hate wet leaves!). Add the numerous amounts of deer to the mix and you've got a ride that requires a lot of attention and concentration. Still, I stay on the Ridge. I was on the ridge for a LONG time. About 60 miles up to Afton. Probably took me at least two hours to do it due to the conditions. Had a deer spook on me and jump in front. Missed her by about 6 feet. Saw two cages coming the opposite direction and one Harley tourer with a couple in rain gear (they waved). Other than that, nothing the entire way. Wind was incredible! It literally felt like it was trying to pull the bike out from under me. I'd get leaned into the wind a bit when it would suddenly change direction and slam me the other way. Fun fun! Also, I noticed my front brakes making odd noises. Sounded a lot like a leaf stuck in a rotor, so I pulled over to check. Nothing. The wheel spun freely, the brakes still worked good, so there wasn't much I could do other than keep going. I was just hoping that was the noise that wet brakes make. If it's anything else, there's not much I can do about it. I am coming up to Afton (I-64) when I notice that my gas is getting a bit low again. I head into Waynesboro and gas up the bike. I top up myself with some beef jerky and diet coke before heading off again. Me, being the moron I am don't realize how close I was to I-81 and decide to take 340 North instead. LOTS of flooding. Several areas of it were closed due to high water and required me to find little back-roads to get around the wet spots. I also ended up following a few semis through some of the nasty stuff, again using their wash to keep me reasonably dry. Unfortunately, I did find one spot that I couldn't get around that was at least axle deep. I plowed on through at a slow pace (with feet up) and my trusty fizzy managed it without a grumble. I wasn't too worried about the cold cracking any hot metal as the bike had been pretty much soaking the entire time (the headers weren't burning off the water as fast as it could accumulate as soon as I hit the Blue Ridge). The only really hairy part was hitting one massive puddle that I didn't even see. It looked like road to me! Unfortunately, I was doing about 65 or so when I hit it. My front BT020 just cut right through it. No hint of hydroplaning at all. Water went everywhere (including all over me), but I didn't even get a grumble from the bike (must remember to re-lube everything when home). Nice to know that I don't need to worry about that issue as much as I was worrying about it till then. :) 340 ends at 211. I could either go west towards I-81 or east towards Skyline and Warrenton. Of course, I'm an idiot, so it's off to Warrenton I go. I get to the base of the mountains and pull in at the Brookstone Inn for much needed food. The chicken was bland, but everything else (including the service) was great. They didn't even mind the puddle I made in the dining room when I stripped off all my gear. :) Weather still sucks and is steadily getting worse. One of the staff keeps coming in and updating everyone on the storm. "Tornado watch in DC". Lovely... I'm just following this d@mn thing everywhere I go. About three cups of coffee later (I didn't need them, they just kept refilling them while I was hanging out and warming up a bit), I head up 211 towards Warrenton. 211 is a nasty road. Great fun on a sport bike during the day when it's dry, but it sucks in the rain when it's getting dark. Gravel, deer, water, stupid cagers, etc. Just a sucky piece of road that I have to creep down most of the time. But, then it straightens out a bit past Sperryville and I could get going again. Generally ended up doing about 65 mph from Sperryville to Warrenton with no real issues other than wind. Some really rough wind coming down there. Blowing quite strong and in different directions. It sucked, but I made it with no problems. I take 29 North to I-66. I take a quick shot down 66 to Fairfax County Parkway. That leg on 66 was far less than fun. Still fighting bad winds and F'ed up pavement to add to it. VDOT, in their infinite wisdom decide to dig up the old lines marking the lanes and move all the lanes over so that the dug spots were in the middle of the lanes. Unfortunately, they didn't just scrape the old lane markers off... they actually DUG lines all the way down the pavement. The section of road on 66 between Marshal and Route 28 sucks! I'd avoid it until they were done if at all possible. A couple of really nice holes are tossed in there just to make sure you're awake as well. From FFX County Parkway, I just head down to Braddock and then scoot on home. Nothing exciting or thrilling there, other than a nice stop at my local coffee shop to unwind before I have to start stripping down the gear and the bike when I get home. :) So... here's the final stats of my little wet adventure... Miles: 512 Time moving: 9 hrs 45 mins Time stopped: 4 hrs (this does not include time spent at client sites working) Max speed: 92 mph (forgot to reset it from the first day, probably touched 75 mph while passing someone today... too wet for anything more) Lessons learned: All gear needs to be waterproofed again after a year or so. A GPS is incredibly helpful, but check a map every so often to get the big picture. Don't put items you need regularly in a bag that you have to remove in order to get the rain cover off of. When getting on the Blue Ridge, check how much gas you have - it takes a LONG time to get off in certain spots. Stop and take a nice break every so often... I felt better after dinner than I had all day, mostly because I got out of the waterlogged suit. Don't over pack... I took a jacket to put on over my mesh in case I got cold. I skipped that and went straight to the Thermosuit, so it was just extra space and weight I could have done without. Get used to riding in the rain... it happens to everyone at some point. Don't be afraid to explore if you're not on a deadline. My exploration didn't work out like I'd hoped, but it was still fun and definitely worth it. If you don't want it to get wet, bag it. I bagged the important stuff, the rest was soaked. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 17:00:21 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:59:37 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Waterproofing Along these same lines, although not precisely on topic; does anyone have a source for those High-Viz Lime-Yellow rain suits the Virginia (DC-area?) road incident crews wear? They've certainly caught my eye a few times, and I'm in favor of anything that aids my visibility to random cage drivers when I need to layer on the rain gear. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 17:10:47 2004 Subject: RE: Waterproofing Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:10:45 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" How about the Tourmaster Elite? Not totally yellow, but pretty good quality and damned visible... http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/item.aspx?style=4058&department=164 &division=1 --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert [mailto:robert.verde@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Waterproofing > > Along these same lines, although not precisely on topic; does > anyone have a source for those High-Viz Lime-Yellow rain > suits the Virginia > (DC-area?) road incident crews wear? > > They've certainly caught my eye a few times, and I'm in favor > of anything that aids my visibility to random cage drivers > when I need to layer on the rain gear. > > Robert > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 18:01:13 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: AMA Supermoto tonight at 8 pm on OLN (9/29/04) To: DC Cycles For the fast growing group of Motarded DC Cyclers, there's the first of a series of Wednesday night televised AMA Red Bull Supermoto series on OLN (Outdoor Life Network) at 8 p.m. -Corbett ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 18:24:24 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:23:34 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 12:53 PM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> If you think you know best, perhaps you'd care to >> enlighten us all as to >> where the HOG rules and procedures are lacking? > >i don't think i know best. i only think that of all the >people i could learn from (you do plenty of what comes off >as teaching on this list), it would most certainly not be >the guy who does a couple of poker runs and a slab to >delaware then considers himself an expert. See, that's the difference between us (one of them anyway). I don't care who I get useful information from, just so long as it's useful (one of the reasons I'm still on this list, despite the many unpleasant members and occasional fools). Even the most unpleasant and foolish occasionally say something worthwhile. I'm the judge of what's useful to me, as you are for you. I just ignore the things I find useless, as they might not be useless for someone else...that's their call. I suggest you do the same. You seem to want to criticize anyone you don't like, without actually having anything useful to add in the way of corrections or additions. That's completely pointless and as useful as a fart in a tornado...but I don't filter you, because *even you* might someday say something I can make good use of. Stranger things have happened. How many gallons of gas someone has burned up on the road is only one indication of whether they know what they are talking about, not proof. If you had as much experience of the world as you like to think you do, you'd have run across more than one example of a novice with an insight that the old hands missed. Time spent doesn't always, or even often, mean wisdom, understanding or insight. That takes thought too, as well as observation. There was an NTSC investigation into an airliner crash a while back. The Captain of the flight had over 20,000 hours of flight time logged, but he made a stupid mistake that crashed the plane. How could this be? Turns out that most of his 20,000 hours were the same sort of flying..."milk runs" that all went pretty much the same way. The crash flight didn't. The way it was put by the investigators was that he didn't have 20,000 hours of flight time...he had 1 hour 20,000 times. Worth thinking about before you start claiming that miles equals expertise. It might, or it might not. Depends on what kind of miles, and who did them. >i'm sure the rules are fine.... if you're comfortable >bringing such formality to what is supposed to be a free >activity. The formality is intended to increase safety. Having ridden with those rules, as well as in groups that didn't have them, or any other rules, I'll take the rules every time. Everyone knowing what is supposed to happen in various situations reduces the likelihood that someone will get creative...particularly at the same time that someone *else* gets creative in a non-compatible way. For instance, a rider drops out of a staggered left-track/right-track formation for some reason, while the rest continue on. What do you do about the "hole"? HOG rules? You leave it. When you stop next (sign, light, whatever), you close up to parallel lines, and when you take off, you leave left track first, alternating, and the hole is gone. No rules? Someone in the other track changes tracks to fill the hole (after all, he's next in sequence)...just as the guy in the other track one bike back hits the gas to pass him to close it up a different way (he's next in that track). Boom. Or at least a "clencher moment" if the timing is just wrong. Neither of these methods is as safe as the HOG method...at best you end up with an illegal pass or someone halving someone else's 2 second following distance. That's just one example where everyone being on the same page can prevent a wreck. There are others. But you go ahead and let everyone "wing it" in the groups you lead. With luck they'll all have learned the same practices or the situations like the above won't come up and you'll go on thinking you are doing just fine. The group riding rules are a good idea for the same reason that we have traffic laws. Improvising is fine on stage, but not in traffic. At least not when you don't have to. What the rules are isn't as important as that everyone understands the same ones to be in effect...though there are some rules that are better than others from a legal and safety standpoint. >i happen to i ride with a group that has spent thousands >upon thousands of miles together over the years. we are >comfortable with one another's styles, and don't need the >formalities you have described. Then you have defacto rules that everyone has learned. No problem. When a group of MC-HOG riders who are all experienced with the group's practices ride together the pre-ride talk is very short. Along the lines of "I'm leading, XXX is tail end Charlie, standard club rules for group riding, here's the route sheets in case we get separated. Any questions?" Then we ride. A New Member ride goes into far more detail, and covers all the major safety rules in detail. Even if new members have group riding experience, practices vary, and it's important to make sure everyone knows how *we* do it before they ride with us. >> Ah...your well-known reading comprehension problems arise >> again. Where did >> I instruct you in anything? > >"well, you have the snake pass and the block pass...." (or >however you began your lesson of boredom) What I actually said was, "The two main methods I've seen for lane changes are the blockade and the snake." Then I described them, since, so far as I know, the names are things I made up and not universally used. I described two different ways for a group to change lanes. How is that telling you how to ride? Did I say there were no other ways? No. Did I say that anyone who did things differently was wrong? No. I just described two ways I've seen done, when they seem to be most applicable, and which one we use in the MC-HOG. If you read into it that I was telling you how to ride (which your complaint made pretty clear) then you were adding things that weren't there...which is why I say there's a reading comprehension problem involved. >i'm a member of this list. shit like this comes off like >teaching to me. consider sending to a specific individual >rather than 300, and your teachings may be better accepted. I'm a member of this list too. When I read things like this I take it the way it's intended...as information. I don't let my ego get all flustered and worry about who's trying to trump whom, or what "qualifications" the person has to have to have the temerity to contribute. Someone with actual experience gets more weight given to their opinions than someone with less, or none, but anyone can say something interesting, on purpose or by accident. I just read what's there, think about it if it seems interesting, respond if I have questions or anything that might be useful to add, and just move on to the next post if not ("useful" varies from person to person). I've learned a few things here, and gotten some different perspectives on things I already knew. I've also deleted a lot of posts. That's list life, not just here, but on all the lists I've ever been on about lots of subjects. One side comment about lists: there are usually two sorts of people on them. The sort who think of it as a social thing, and the sort who think of it as a technical reference and announcement system. The first sort don't mind some off-topic stuff, as it tends to let them learn about the folks they are interacting with. The second sort hate that, as they just want short answers to specific questions, or pointers to event info, nothing more. There is always conflict so long as both sorts are on a given list. Only solution I've seen is two lists with different practices. Even then you often see a flurry of "take it to the !" posts from time to time. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 18:36:35 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:36:25 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 04:29 PM 9/29/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >1) Ride your own ride, as in: you are responsible for you. Leader is not responsible for your riding too fast/over your head, picking a lousy line in a turn, failing to spot dead fauna in the road, failing to spot live fauna lurking in the weeds, etc. Yep, that one's one of ours too. Top one, like your list. >2) Don't leave anyone behind; wait at all the major turns. Corollary to that: if you leave the ride, let another rider know, don't just disappear. We only have the last person in the group wait at the turns, and then only if it's safe to do so (almost always is). So long as everyone does this, the group can always join up again, even without referencing the route sheets that are usually handed out at the start of the ride. Leader usually pulls over at some safe point when the group gets broken up though. >3) Have fun?? I guess that's one of the "understandings." Not on the official list, but it's part of the reason the club exists..."To ride, and to have fun." >Other rules: can't think of a single one. You don't need a extensive pre-ride briefing or elaborate hand signals for all this. I guess we just don't measure up the HOG Group Ride Gold Standard Guess not. Other rules might include things for: 1. How to fill "holes". 2. Whether you ride single file or staggered, and if staggered, how you switch between the two formations. 3. Who stops if someone breaks down or has medical problems or whatever, and what the rest of the group does. 4. Any hand signals (left turn, right turn, stop, slow down, debris in roadway, single/double file, fuck you, etc.. Most are the standard ones.) 5. What you do at stop signs or traffic lights or traffic jams (single file? Double line? If the later, who takes off first?) 6. If you are dropping out of the ride, but not due to problems, how you signal this. There may be more, but the above are all covered by our rules and procedures. I don't know how big a group you ride with or how experienced they are. Formality like this becomes more important when your groups are typically 10-40 bikes and riders may have anything from 50 years to 4 months riding experience...like ours are. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 19:06:24 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:05:55 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bartman" You, sir, are an ass. > -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 19:56:54 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: My wet ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > Warning: This is very long and probably quite boring to most. It's > basically my rantings about spending two days on an FZ1 in the remnants > of our most recent hurricane. There may be some good bits and writing > it all down helps me learn from it. Take it or leave it as you will. > Excellent ride there. I always enjoy riding no matter what the weather. I'm not sure I'd have taken electronic gear along even if I double bagged it but I'm not normally riding around the country upgrading routers :-) I have the TourMaster Elite rain gear which has performed very well in keeping me dry and just plain old garbage bags for my gear. I keep them bagged up on a trip so I don't have to stop and bag them. Just the tank bag needs to be covered if it starts to rain. I haven't had a problem with any of my gear getting wet so it must be working. Later, Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 20:34:12 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:34:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:09 PM 9/29/2004, Kelly Norton wrote: >Here's a link to the message board where the guy >riding the bike gives >details... > >http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10677&page=5&pp=15&highlight=205 > > > >Dave Yates wrote: ..this is too funny. This doofus gets ticketed for 205mph and then bitches because the max his bike can do is 180. So he was doing the max his bike could do..it's still nowhere near legal. Not even close. I wonder if those idiots at that bike forum would be sucking up to him if he had plowed into the back end of a car and ended up killing a family on vacation. God almighty, there isn't a public road in America that its safe to do 180mph on. I say lock his stupid suicidal ass up and throw away the key. YMMV, IMHO..yada yada.. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 20:42:26 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Group Ride Rules (was; Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock)) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:53 PM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> If you think you know best, perhaps you'd care to > >> enlighten us all as to > >> where the HOG rules and procedures are lacking? > > > >i don't think i know best. i only think that of all the > >people i could learn from (you do plenty of what comes off > >as teaching on this list), it would most certainly not be > >the guy who does a couple of poker runs and a slab to > >delaware then considers himself an expert. > Hey, I thought I was the one who made the comment regarding a group ride I was on. Mainly because of the signals I received while on my sportbike on a sportbike group ride. And I received a link from the guy who was making the signals and who is a member of the other group. Here's the link to the local _sportbike_ group ride rules: http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/club/rules.html There's a link within the page to an article that was written in 1991 which seems to have a lot of good information: http://www.cosportbikeclub.org/local/ThePace.html > > -- Mike B. > Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 22:51:06 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:50:57 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Shoei screw needed Hey all, I have a Shoei Syncrotec helmet (It rocks, I love it). Unfortunately, the front piece of styro/air venting is held in with a central screw. At some point on my hurricane ride, I lost that and now the piece keeps coming out. Anyone know what kind of screw it is? Or, if Shoei sells parts, anyone know where I can get the parts? TIA. --smthng Sig at the office. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 23:18:28 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Shoei screw needed To: smthngelse@XXXXXX, DC Cycles I have an extra one (actually one of each size) and will gladly mail it to you. They fit the RF-700. Why don't you find out if its the same screw and I will send it. Mark --- smthng else wrote: > Hey all, > > I have a Shoei Syncrotec helmet (It rocks, I love > it). Unfortunately, > the front piece of styro/air venting is held in with > a central screw. > At some point on my hurricane ride, I lost that and > now the piece > keeps coming out. Anyone know what kind of screw it > is? Or, if Shoei > sells parts, anyone know where I can get the parts? > TIA. > > --smthng > > Sig at the office. > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 23:28:49 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:28:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Lasix and riding Mark Kitchell wrote: > I just had Lasix yesterday and I am still getting used > to the results. If any of you had it, how long did > you wait to ride and what adjustments did you make? > Thanks My kid brother just had it done a few weeks ago. He rides, but only occasionally. He works in a place with flourescent lights, said those lights really bothered him for a couple weeks after the surgery. I'm thinking about having it done myself... Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 23:36:43 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:36:34 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) Bartman is like a fire - they'll keep going as long as you give them fuel. Let's just walk away and let him blather himself down to cinders . . . -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 29 23:39:33 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:39:30 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Supermoto tonight at 8 pm on OLN (9/29/04) If it's the Nashville round, look for the photographer with mohawk - it's me! My pics from the event can be seen at: http://michaelj.smugmug.com/gallery/219822 On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:01:10 -0700 (PDT), Corbett B wrote: > For the fast growing group of Motarded DC Cyclers, > there's the first of a series of Wednesday night > televised AMA Red Bull Supermoto series on OLN > (Outdoor Life Network) at 8 p.m. -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 00:32:30 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:32:22 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:46:02 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: > Go fuck your bike, shithead. (Earlier quote: "I'm a member of this list too." "When I read things like this I take it the way it's intended...as information.") Is this one of the after-ride activities advocated by your local HOG group? Or is it merely a recommendation based on your own personal experiences? At any rate, I thought Harleys came from the factory with the built-in ability to fuck themselves, as it seems to occur on a regular enough basis (with or without intervention or assistance from amorous owners.) "I don't let my ego get all flustered" > That the sort of non-"blather" you prefer? Short enough not to exceed your > gnat-like attention span? Words small enough for you? Got enough > "moto-content"? "You seem to want to criticize anyone you don't like, without actually having anything useful to add in the way of corrections or additions." > What an asshole. Yes, not an uncommon sentiment on the list, these days . . . ever wonder why? -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 00:52:45 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Shoei screw needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- smthng else wrote: > Hey all, > > I have a Shoei Syncrotec helmet (It rocks, I love it). Unfortunately, > the front piece of styro/air venting is held in with a central screw. > At some point on my hurricane ride, I lost that and now the piece > keeps coming out. Anyone know what kind of screw it is? Or, if Shoei > sells parts, anyone know where I can get the parts? TIA. > If you go to a dealer they'll probably have a parts bin and there's good chance they'll just give it to you. I had two separate pieces on mine go missing and Coleman's in Woodbridge just handed me replacements both times. > --smthng > Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 01:24:39 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: AMA Supermoto tonight at 8 pm on OLN (9/29/04) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey Sean! Nope, tonight's Supermoto round was the Copper Mountain,CO race. Your Nashville,TN race is next Wednesday 10/6/04 but I'll keep an eye out for ya. BTW..damn some of the umbrella?/pit? girls were real stunners...surprised you got any bike pics at all. -Corbett --- Sean Jordan wrote: > If it's the Nashville round, look for the > photographer with mohawk - it's me! > > My pics from the event can be seen at: > > http://michaelj.smugmug.com/gallery/219822 > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:01:10 -0700 (PDT), Corbett B > wrote: > > For the fast growing group of Motarded DC Cyclers, > > there's the first of a series of Wednesday night > > televised AMA Red Bull Supermoto series on OLN > > (Outdoor Life Network) at 8 p.m. > > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 02:09:16 2004 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:09:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Mike vs listers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Okay okay, I'm not getting this here. Let me see if I can figure this out. I made little notes for the gist of the messages. I tried to do a reply order and may have missed one or two. Indents imply replied to the message above and one character to the left. julian: mr gridlock: mike: (med) left lane larry: mirrors/turn head joey flame: larry: flame reply joey: ok rob: poke at larry larry: 1000 bet dave: off-list you two joey: you win rob: careful larry: watch it michael: rubbish larry: ok michael: IMO +go faster than traffic leon: go faster wrong daniel: IMO agreed dave: larry wrong paul: wide mirror garcia: extra mirrors chris: larry wrong smthng: larry wrong, like chris reply mike: (med) blind spot smthng: agree mike: (long) group riding carlID: group ride description mike: (long) group riding dynamics tom: flame who asked you for group info? mike: group info good tom: flame, anti-harley notes mike: light flame back with poke, how many miles glenn: tom's led recent group rides tom: no instructions necessary mike: light flame, leadership tom: you don't get it paul: don't need rules, just understanding mike: good understandings, here's others tom: light flame don't need instructions robert: filter bartman mike: (med) light flame, poke at tom's posting tom: (long) no rules necessary, anti-teaching, poke at lurkers sean: good job tom mike: (looong) rules good, not teaching carlID: rules good for newbies, links to other rules bruce: flame sean: flame larry: false statements larry: should be aware carlIB: larry's wrong bill: headchecks hack job on printed letter disclaimer on letter larry: copyright notice I'm not sure what this proves. Tom has a chip on his shoulder maybe? That this is a non-Harley (if not anti-Harley) list? Mike's supporters are less public than Tom's? That Mike likes to share information? That group rides are planned but no one is invited? That DC is the home of debaters :-) I dunno. I'll leave it to you. Hey, I changed the headlight in my sportbike today. Man what a pain in the butt: http://www.schelin.org/stuff/headlight/index.html G'night all. Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 04:25:52 2004 From: Daniel To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:25:38 -0400 In the MSF class, they say motorcycling is not safe. YOu cannot ride "safe" because it is a risk, you can only ride "safer" using what you learn in the class. It's not "safe" to even ride below the speed limit. There are public roads in America, long stretches of straight highway or road where it is relatively safe to go 180 mph. Relatively meaning, there are no objects to slide into should you have a get off. I would say your statement is innacurate, as there are plenty of roadways where you can do 180 mph, and the risk is about the same as if you were doing 70 mph... after all, speed doesn't kill you, collision does. >God almighty, there isn't a public road in America that its >safe to do 180mph on. > >I say lock his stupid suicidal ass up and throw away the >key. > >YMMV, IMHO..yada yada.. > >-aki > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 06:55:48 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:55:41 -0400 > God almighty, there isn't a public road in America that its safe to do > 180mph on. AZ-86, just east of Yava, AZ (population of about 4--there's one house just north of the right-hander by the single lane bridge). Several miles of straight, flat road. No other houses for a dozen miles in either direction (Hillside, population 100 or so, is off of 86 by a few miles). Very light traffic (a dozen or two cars a day?)--typical of the middle of nowhere found in the western half of the country. The only piece of straight, flat road in miles, and the site of many a top speed test in my youth. If you mapquest it, 86 is the only pavement road in the area. The dirt "roads" are used by ranchers, maybe traversed 12 times/year if that. No driveways, no nothing. Interestingly, my mapquest is showing "Apron Crossing" to the northwest. No one lives there, that's just a concrete apron to make crossing the Santa Maria creek (most of the year) or river (after the rain--so three times a year) easier. I'm sure there are many more suitable roads (with 10 mile long straights and < 5 cars/day) in NV, AZ, CO, MT, ID, WY etc., but this one is fine. And the rest of the road is 35mph twisties--all 70 miles from Bagdad to Prescott. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 06:59:02 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 03:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You are right Tom, he doesn't get it. Clueless is what comes to mind. Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > you obviously don't get it. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 07:05:02 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Sean Jordan" , Subject: Re: AMA Supermoto tonight at 8 pm on OLN (9/29/04) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:04:58 -0400 Supermoto looks like the most fun that can be had on wheels. Great pic of the flyin' freckle--he looks like he's having as much fun as he was in the original On Any Sunday (he was the kid riding the wheelie on the Honda trail 50). --jon, with your trivia for the day. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 07:08:33 2004 X-Spam-Check-By: yes.devclue.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Later, Folks. X-Virus-Checked: Checked Well, my flight leaves for England tonight, and at any rate I've no motorcycles (until I pick one up there, heh heh, don't tell my wife). Sooo... I'm unsubscribing from the list for now. It's been a fun couple of years, and I'll miss you folks. Anyone visiting the UK, particularly the Yorkshire area, drop me a line and maybe we can go explore a few twisty roads on the moors together. -- Fish. 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Thanks, -Laurie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 08:51:21 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:53 PM 9/29/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> If you think you know best, perhaps you'd care to > >> enlighten us all as to > >> where the HOG rules and procedures are lacking? > > > >i don't think i know best. i only think that of all the > >people i could learn from (you do plenty of what comes > off > >as teaching on this list), it would most certainly not > be > >the guy who does a couple of poker runs and a slab to > >delaware then considers himself an expert. > > See, that's the difference between us (one of them > anyway). I don't care > who I get useful information from, just so long as it's > useful (one of the > reasons I'm still on this list, despite the many > unpleasant members and > occasional fools). Even the most unpleasant and foolish > occasionally say > something worthwhile. I'm the judge of what's useful to > me, as you are for > you. I just ignore the things I find useless, as they > might not be useless > for someone else...that's their call. I suggest you do > the same. > > You seem to want to criticize anyone you don't like, > without actually > having anything useful to add in the way of corrections > or additions. > That's completely pointless and as useful as a fart in a > tornado...but I > don't filter you, because *even you* might someday say > something I can make > good use of. Stranger things have happened. that i'm one of the only people here to speak up about your long-winded, second-hand "knowledge" does not negate all of my other contributions to this list. > How many gallons of gas someone has burned up on the road > is only one > indication of whether they know what they are talking > about, not proof. If > you had as much experience of the world as you like to > think you do, you'd > have run across more than one example of a novice with an > insight that the > old hands missed. Time spent doesn't always, or even > often, mean wisdom, > understanding or insight. That takes thought too, as > well as observation. > > There was an NTSC investigation into an airliner crash a > while back. The > Captain of the flight had over 20,000 hours of flight > time logged, but he > made a stupid mistake that crashed the plane. How could > this be? Turns > out that most of his 20,000 hours were the same sort of > flying..."milk > runs" that all went pretty much the same way. The crash > flight didn't. > The way it was put by the investigators was that he > didn't have 20,000 > hours of flight time...he had 1 hour 20,000 times. Worth > thinking about > before you start claiming that miles equals expertise. > It might, or it > might not. Depends on what kind of miles, and who did > them. not sure where you're going.... and it took another 2 full paragraphs to get "here." i did not and do not want to turn the focus of this thread to my riding history or experience. i merely hightlighted that your group riding history is minimal. however, the gist of my beef is and continues to be your long-winded, expert on every subject, essays.... which are often qualified at the end by "i'm no expert" [but i've lectured you anyway]. > >i'm sure the rules are fine.... if you're comfortable > >bringing such formality to what is supposed to be a free > >activity. > > The formality is intended to increase safety. Having > ridden with those > rules, as well as in groups that didn't have them, or any > other rules, I'll > take the rules every time. Everyone knowing what is > supposed to happen in > various situations reduces the likelihood that someone > will get > creative...particularly at the same time that someone > *else* gets creative > in a non-compatible way. > > For instance, a rider drops out of a staggered > left-track/right-track > formation for some reason, while the rest continue on. > What do you do > about the "hole"? well, we certainly don't spend time writing and lecturing about it. further, depending upon where the group is on the roadway, it may not be in staggered formation and thus there will be no "hole" to fill. that this is actually a concern on HOG rides to the point that there are "rules" leads me to believe that there is far too much emphasis on structure and far too little on common sense and enjoyment. > HOG rules? You leave it. When you stop next (sign, > light, whatever), you > close up to parallel lines, and when you take off, you > leave left track > first, alternating, and the hole is gone. > > No rules? Someone in the other track changes tracks to > fill the hole > (after all, he's next in sequence)...just as the guy in > the other track one > bike back hits the gas to pass him to close it up a > different way (he's > next in that track). Boom. Or at least a "clencher > moment" if the timing > is just wrong. Neither of these methods is as safe as > the HOG method...at > best you end up with an illegal pass or someone halving > someone else's 2 > second following distance. perhaps, if you're riding with a group of idiots. why would there ever be a situation (save a stop) where a rider to the rear has placed his front tire in front of the rear tire of ANYONE in front of him/her? > That's just one example where everyone being on the same > page can prevent a > wreck. There are others. But you go ahead and let > everyone "wing it" in > the groups you lead. more bullshit. no rules sheet = wing it? perhaps in your little world of hotdogs and playing cards. in my world, the rules are pretty much as paul wilson described. anyone who can't follow them doesn't get another invite. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 08:59:34 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:59:30 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Gimer's Greatest Hits? was Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX TG: >that i'm one of the only people here to speak up about your >long-winded, second-hand "knowledge" does not negate all of >my other contributions to this list. [Dave] I don't suppose we could get one of the List Carl's to put together a Gimer's Greatest collection? (as long as it includes my personal fav: "those pathetic little f@cksticks" ) The recent summary of posts was a definite DCC keeper. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 09:17:53 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:17:31 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Actually, the force involved in the collision kills you, and force = mass x velocity. There is a *significant* difference between hitting something at 70mph vs. 180mph. Saying that the risk is the same is just silly. Having had some experience with this, I can tell you that just *tumbling* at 60-70mph vs. 100+ mph is way different. One makes you pissed as you get up and walk away, the other leaves nasty bruises and usually sprains or dislocates something :) - Roach Daniel wrote: > I would say your statement is innacurate, as there are plenty of > roadways where you can do 180 mph, and the risk is about the same as > if you were doing 70 mph... after all, speed doesn't kill you, > collision does. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 09:39:57 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:39:50 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Actually it's F=ma (force = mass x acceleration) The SI unit of force is the Newton (kg-m/s^2). m/s2 is acceleration, not velocity. The equivalent "English" unit is the pound-force. Any way Brian's point is well taken, as the velocity increases, so do the forces, in dramatic fashion. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach Actually, the force involved in the collision kills you, and force = mass x velocity. There is a *significant* difference between hitting something at 70mph vs. 180mph. Saying that the risk is the same is just silly. Having had some experience with this, I can tell you that just *tumbling* at 60-70mph vs. 100+ mph is way different. One makes you pissed as you get up and walk away, the other leaves nasty bruises and usually sprains or dislocates something :) - Roach Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 09:43:06 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:42:49 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda LOL. The funny thing is, I realized I had typed the wrong term about 2.5 seconds after I hit send ... I figured I was going to be called on it, but it was just too early in the morning to reply to my own post :-D - Roach Paul Wilson wrote: >Actually it's F=ma (force = mass x acceleration) The SI unit of force is the Newton (kg-m/s^2). m/s2 is acceleration, not velocity. The equivalent "English" unit is the pound-force. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 10:09:14 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:09:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Jon Strang , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang > God almighty, there isn't a public road in America that its safe to do > 180mph on. AZ-86, just east of Yava, AZ .... The only piece of straight, flat road in miles, and the site of many a top speed test in my youth. If you mapquest it, 86 is the only pavement road in the area. The dirt "roads" are used by ranchers, maybe traversed 12 times/year if that. No driveways, no nothing. ..... I'm sure there are many more suitable roads (with 10 mile long straights and < 5 cars/day) in NV, AZ, CO, MT, ID, WY etc., but this one is fine. And the rest of the road is 35mph twisties--all 70 miles from Bagdad to Prescott. --jon ----------- Well, maybe not for 180, but what you describe sounds like US20/26 between Shoshoni and Casper, Wyo. It's about 90 miles: straight, flat and boring and nothing to hit unless you have a mind-fart and run off the road and what seems like 20 feet of paved shoulder. Even the antelope, you can spot those from a 1/4 mile away. Two "towns." Powder River, pop. 6ish and Natrona, pop. 12ish, and that's if you include the jack rabbits. And one scarcely patronized tourist trap: Hell's Half Acre. (Locus of the film "Starship Troopers" btw) Needless to say, there's very little traffic. I'll bet even Bartman's HOG chapter would do the run in a little over an hour..... Just make sure you gas up in Shoshoni. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 10:47:41 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Bartman is like a fire - they'll keep going as long as > you give them fuel. > > Let's just walk away and let him blather himself down to > cinders . . . if only that were true. he seems to be more like one of those magical 8 day oil lamps. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 11:13:53 2004 Subject: 10k mark Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:13:52 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" For a brief interlude of the fueding, I just wanted to point out that I managed to click over 10000 miles on my odo during my hurricane trip. :) Unfortunately, I didn't realize it until I got home... If I'd checked it at my coffee shop before I got to the house, I probably would have nailed it dead on. As it is, I have a picture of 10002 miles saved on my phone for posterity. Now... time for that valve adjustment. :( --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 11:14:45 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Waterproofing Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:14:39 -0400 > > From: Aki Damme > > Date: 2004/09/29 Wed PM 08:36:58 EDT > > To: Kirk Roy > > Subject: Re: Waterproofing > > > > At 04:12 PM 9/29/2004, you wrote: > > >"Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > > > What's a good waterproofing spray for clothing and > > > bags? > > > > > >For your bags - stick everything in double layered plastic > > >trash bags. > > > > > > > I managed to stay dry in my four-year old Thermosuit > > > for > > > > about 3 hours of absolute downpours. After that, > > > > everything started to get soaked through. Is there any > > > > kind of spray that can handle this kind of punishment? > > > > > >IMO, you should just expect to get wet if you're going to > > >spend several hours in the rain. Nikwax, CampDry, and the > > >like will help but the most waterproof fabrics only do so > > >much good once the water has found its way into the chinks > > >in your armor (neck opening, arm cuffs, pants cuffs, etc). > > > > >Kirk > > also, I've found that a rainsuit with an attached hood that you can wear under your helmet helps a lot in keeping the water from creeping down inside from the collar. I bought a Kirkland rainsuit from Costco for $30 and it worked great last year when I rode down to Daytona and it rained most of the way down and most of the way back (but was sunny there!). -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 11:27:49 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: AMA Supermoto tonight at 8 pm on OLN (9/29/04) To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean Jordan wrote: > If it's the Nashville round, look for the photographer > with mohawk - it's me! get the f out of here. mohawk? i hope you're referring to your pubes. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 12:25:08 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:24:57 EDT Subject: Re: AMA Supermoto tonight at 8 pm on OLN (9/29/04) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was gonna say something along those same lines but......... :-) Anyway, we need to see a picture so that we can properly identify you when we watch. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 9/30/2004 11:27:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: --- Sean Jordan wrote: > If it's the Nashville round, look for the photographer > with mohawk - it's me! get the f out of here. mohawk? i hope you're referring to your pubes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 13:07:26 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Later, Folks. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Well, my flight leaves for England tonight, and at any rate I've no > motorcycles (until I pick one up there, heh heh, don't tell my wife). > Sooo... I'm unsubscribing from the list for now. > Hey, have fun in England. Hope you're at least keeping LJ up, unless you've unfriended me :-) > It's been a fun couple of years, and I'll miss you folks. Anyone > visiting > the UK, particularly the Yorkshire area, drop me a line and maybe we can > > go explore a few twisty roads on the moors together. > I might have to take you up on that. Check out http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/. I'm hoping Rita lets me ride to Mexico next month for the meeting :-) > -- > Fish. > Carl ===== "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting "WOW--What a ride!"" 02 Harley FXSTI (Softail) 02 Suzuki GSX1300RK2 (Hayabusa) 76 Honda 750 Chopper (in progress) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 13:17:26 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:17:19 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Cc: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually, it's the energy you're worried about, not force. Kinetic Energy = mv^2 -- which increases with the square of velocity. But Brian's point still is well taken. Aaron On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:39:50 -0400 (GMT-04:00), Paul Wilson wrote: > Actually it's F=ma (force = mass x acceleration) The SI unit of force is the Newton (kg-m/s^2). m/s2 is acceleration, not velocity. The equivalent "English" unit is the pound-force. > > Any way Brian's point is well taken, as the velocity increases, so do the forces, in dramatic fashion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roach > > Actually, the force involved in the collision kills you, and force = > mass x velocity. There is a *significant* difference between hitting > something at 70mph vs. 180mph. Saying that the risk is the same is just > silly. > > Having had some experience with this, I can tell you that just > *tumbling* at 60-70mph vs. 100+ mph is way different. One makes you > pissed as you get up and walk away, the other leaves nasty bruises and > usually sprains or dislocates something :) > > - Roach > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 13:42:34 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:39:30 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) Replied to in private, as the original message was...why Sean decided to take this public to the list, despite the list owner's past requests not to post such things, I have no idea. Guess it's just in his nature. Or maybe he's just incompetent with mail software too. -- Mike B. At 11:32 PM 9/29/04 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote: >On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:46:02 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: >-- >Sean Jordan >Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 14:23:43 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:23:37 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: [LDRider] Fwd: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer (fwd) Opportunity knocks ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ira Agins Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:57:20 -0600 Subject: [LDRider] Fwd: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer (fwd) To: ldrider@XXXXXX I received this email on the IBA Web site. If anyone is up for a ride, please drop Matt an email. Thanks! Ira >-------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- >From: ironbutt@XXXXXX >To: info@XXXXXX >Subject: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:59:33 +0000 > > > >Any reply must be sent to matt@XXXXXX > >Subject: One-Way Ride Offer >Date of message: 30-Sep-04 >Sent at: 07:58 AM > >Message from Matt Kirn: >___________________________________________________________ > >Guys, > >We rent Harley-Davidson motorcycles out of Washington, DC. A week ago we had >two of our bikes (Electra Glides) dropped off in Las Vegas. We need them back >in Washington, DC. How can I get in touch with some of the Iron Butts to >see if >they would want to ride these back for us. There'd be no cost, but they'd >have >to pay for food, gas, and lodging along the way. > >Let me know. > >Thanks, > >Matt >EagleRider DC > > >___________________________________________________________ >(c) 2004 Iron Butt Association >http://www.ironbutt.com/ _______________________________________________ http://ibdone.org/mailman/options/ldrider_ibdone.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 14:32:58 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:31:50 -0400 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: 205 mph honda At 10:09 AM 9/30/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: > >Even the antelope, you can spot those from a 1/4 mile away. Two "towns." What's the stopping distance on a sportbike from 180mph with maximum braking and no mistakes? >I'll bet even Bartman's HOG chapter would do the run in a little over an hour..... Just make sure you gas up in Shoshoni. Sounds about right. Even a sportster should be able to go 90 miles between fillups. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 14:33:00 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:21:13 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 05:51 AM 9/30/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >however, the gist of my beef is and continues to be your >long-winded, expert on every subject, essays.... which are >often qualified at the end by "i'm no expert" [but i've >lectured you anyway]. If you are seeing them as lectures, it's probably an ego problem on your part. I'm just sharing what I know, or think I know. Substantive comments about where I'm right, or wrong, are welcome. Personal attacks that add nothing but unpleasantness to the list are not. The posts I've been making, that you are complaining about, are on topic. If you don't want to read them due to length, or who posted them, or just because your imaginary friend said not to, I don't care. Hit delete and move on. Where does this burning desire of yours to control what I do come from? >> For instance, a rider drops out of a staggered >> left-track/right-track >> formation for some reason, while the rest continue on. >> What do you do about the "hole"? > >well, we certainly don't spend time writing and lecturing >about it. further, depending upon where the group is on >the roadway, it may not be in staggered formation and thus >there will be no "hole" to fill. Then that rule wouldn't be involved now, would it? If you were at home on your couch, none of the group riding rules would apply, or be necessary. So what? >that this is actually a >concern on HOG rides to the point that there are "rules" >leads me to believe that there is far too much emphasis on >structure and far too little on common sense and enjoyment. Or perhaps just more, and different, experience than you have to date? Perhaps they've actually seen problems in the past, and created rules to avoid them in future? There's that "can't learn from the experience of others" thing again... >> HOG rules? You leave it. When you stop next (sign, >> No rules? Someone in the other track changes tracks to >> fill the hole> (after all, he's next in sequence)...just as the guy in > the other track one bike back hits the gas to pass him to close it up a > different way (he's >perhaps, if you're riding with a group of idiots. Ever met someone in a hallway and done that "side to side" shuffle thing where you both correct to pass at the same time and in the same direction? When there's no rule, people will improvise, and due to the limitations of human reaction speed and perceptions, they can, and do, correct in poor ways. Rules designed to avoid the problem can eliminate this situation...everyone follows the rule, and the problem never comes up. Idiocy has little to do with it. >why would there ever be a situation (save a stop) where a rider >to the rear has placed his front tire in front of the rear >tire of ANYONE in front of him/her? Following too close? Momentary distraction? Planning to pass in the same lane? (had this done to me more than once, usually in groups other than HOG, where such things are against the rules as well as the local laws). Even without that overlap, someone changing tracks like that can reduce the following distance of the bike now behind him to unsafe levels. We ride 2 seconds behind the bike in the same track ahead, and 1 second behind the bike in the opposite track (minimums...you can have more if you like). If the bike in one track shifts over to fill a hole, the bike behind could be only 1 second back until he can slow to re-create the distance. If something happens before he can do that, you can have a crash, which the "don't fill the hole" rule will avoid. It's not the only way to avoid it, but it works well. >> That's just one example where everyone being on the same >> page can prevent a >> wreck. There are others. But you go ahead and let >> everyone "wing it" in >> the groups you lead. > >more bullshit. no rules sheet = wing it? You said you don't have written rules, or a pre-ride briefing to go over them. You have been poo-pooing the entire idea of agreed upon rules in group rides. I think that's stupid. Macho maybe, but stupid. If you always ride with the same people, and you've agreed on the rules some other way beforehand, that's just as good...you have rules and you all know them. If this agreement was just "worked out" over time by having a series of close calls from which you all learned, that's pretty stupid too (failing to learn from the experience of others), but at least you've got it straight now. It would have been better to agree on them ahead of time and avoid the "learning experiences" with the associated risk of injury IMO. Motos are dangerous enough without doing things that way. >perhaps in your >little world of hotdogs and playing cards. in my world, >the rules are pretty much as paul wilson described. anyone >who can't follow them doesn't get another invite. You mean anyone who isn't psychic enough to pick them out of your brain, or limited enough to only see them one way...same way you have? Paul's rules are fine. Most are the same as the HOGs use, as I said yesterday. If you know for a fact that everyone on the ride knows them, and knows they will be the ones used, you don't need to discuss them. Otherwise, not doing so is just foolish. As I pointed out, there's more than one way to handle common group riding problems, and some ways conflict. I may not have ridden since birth in group rides like you claim to have done, but I've seen people change tracks to close a hole, and I've seen people pass in the same lane to close a hole (both situations were on charity rides with people who weren't HOG members, and the riding rules weren't always explained before the start...sort of like you say you run a ride...) Listen to what I've said or don't. Won't affect me either way. I'll never be on a group ride that you are leading. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 14:33:13 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:28:25 -0400 To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: 205 mph honda At 09:17 AM 9/30/04 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: >Actually, the force involved in the collision kills you, and force = >mass x velocity. Umm...not exactly right. Force = Mass X Acceleration (F=MA) Without looking it up I'm not certain (been a few decades since physics class), but I think it's kinetic energy that is mass x velocity....though I think I remember it being velocity squared. What kills you is the acceleration combined with the fact that you aren't a rigid body and you have inertia (i.e. different parts of you slow down at different rates...this results in shear forces that tear you apart if the acceleration is high enough). Deceleration is just negative acceleration for anyone who skipped those semesters...works the same way. Everything is relative. >here is a *significant* difference between hitting >something at 70mph vs. 180mph. Saying that the risk is the same is just >silly. No question about that being right. It's not only not the same, it's not even linear. 140 mph is much worse than twice 70 mph....which is why I think the kinetic energy thing involves velocity**2. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 14:37:11 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:37:06 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: [LDRider] Fwd: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer (fwd) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan Opportunity knocks ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ira Agins >Guys, > >We rent Harley-Davidson motorcycles out of Washington, DC. A week ago we had >two of our bikes (Electra Glides) dropped off in Las Vegas. We need them back >in Washington, DC. How can I get in touch with some of the Iron Butts to >see if >they would want to ride these back for us. There'd be no cost, but they'd >have >to pay for food, gas, and lodging along the way. > >Let me know. > >Thanks, > >Matt >EagleRider DC > Huh? "No cost" but you'd have to pay your own gas, food, lodging and (one assumes) one-way air fare to Lost Wages. What is Eagle Rider contributing? 2,500-some miles of wear'n'tear? I think I'll ignore that knocking sound that oppurtunity's making...... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 14:42:42 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:42:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Fwd: [LDRider] Fwd: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer (fwd) To: Paul Wilson , Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow they are cheap. They could ship it for $500. Does this 'offer' require knowledge of all HOG rules? --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jordan > > > Opportunity knocks > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ira Agins > > >Guys, > > > >We rent Harley-Davidson motorcycles out of > Washington, DC. A week ago we had > >two of our bikes (Electra Glides) dropped off in > Las Vegas. We need them back > >in Washington, DC. How can I get in touch with some > of the Iron Butts to > >see if > >they would want to ride these back for us. There'd > be no cost, but they'd > >have > >to pay for food, gas, and lodging along the way. > > > >Let me know. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Matt > >EagleRider DC > > > Huh? "No cost" but you'd have to pay your own gas, > food, lodging and (one assumes) one-way air fare to > Lost Wages. What is Eagle Rider contributing? > 2,500-some miles of wear'n'tear? I think I'll > ignore that knocking sound that oppurtunity's > making...... > > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 14:46:11 2004 Subject: RE: Fwd: [LDRider] Fwd: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer (fwd) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:46:03 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "Paul Wilson" , "Michael Jordan" , If they pay my plane fare and hotel in Lost Wages I will do it. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:43 PM To: Paul Wilson; Michael Jordan; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: [LDRider] Fwd: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer (fwd) Wow they are cheap. They could ship it for $500. Does this 'offer' require knowledge of all HOG rules? --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jordan > > > Opportunity knocks > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ira Agins > > >Guys, > > > >We rent Harley-Davidson motorcycles out of > Washington, DC. A week ago we had > >two of our bikes (Electra Glides) dropped off in > Las Vegas. We need them back > >in Washington, DC. How can I get in touch with some > of the Iron Butts to > >see if > >they would want to ride these back for us. There'd > be no cost, but they'd > >have > >to pay for food, gas, and lodging along the way. > > > >Let me know. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Matt > >EagleRider DC > > > Huh? "No cost" but you'd have to pay your own gas, food, lodging and > (one assumes) one-way air fare to Lost Wages. What is Eagle Rider > contributing? > 2,500-some miles of wear'n'tear? I think I'll ignore that knocking > sound that oppurtunity's making...... > > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 17:01:40 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:01:24 EDT Subject: Re: [LDRider] Fwd: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm actually flying out to Vegas next week. If I would have known earlier, I could have cancelled the return ticket and extended my vacation by a week. Damn!!!!!! :-) Scooter In a message dated 9/30/2004 2:23:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: Opportunity knocks ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ira Agins Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:57:20 -0600 Subject: [LDRider] Fwd: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer (fwd) To: ldrider@XXXXXX I received this email on the IBA Web site. If anyone is up for a ride, please drop Matt an email. Thanks! Ira >-------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- >From: ironbutt@XXXXXX >To: info@XXXXXX >Subject: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:59:33 +0000 > > > >Any reply must be sent to matt@XXXXXX > >Subject: One-Way Ride Offer >Date of message: 30-Sep-04 >Sent at: 07:58 AM > >Message from Matt Kirn: >___________________________________________________________ > >Guys, > >We rent Harley-Davidson motorcycles out of Washington, DC. A week ago we had >two of our bikes (Electra Glides) dropped off in Las Vegas. We need them back >in Washington, DC. How can I get in touch with some of the Iron Butts to >see if >they would want to ride these back for us. There'd be no cost, but they'd >have >to pay for food, gas, and lodging along the way. > >Let me know. > >Thanks, > >Matt >EagleRider DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 17:04:54 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:04:43 EDT Subject: Re: [LDRider] Fwd: IBA Web: One-Way Ride Offer (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I read it as they would pay to fly you out and you would have to pay for food, gas and lodging as if you were renting them with no rental fees. Scooter In a message dated 9/30/2004 2:37:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan Opportunity knocks ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ira Agins >Guys, > >We rent Harley-Davidson motorcycles out of Washington, DC. A week ago we had >two of our bikes (Electra Glides) dropped off in Las Vegas. We need them back >in Washington, DC. How can I get in touch with some of the Iron Butts to >see if >they would want to ride these back for us. There'd be no cost, but they'd >have >to pay for food, gas, and lodging along the way. > >Let me know. > >Thanks, > >Matt >EagleRider DC > Huh? "No cost" but you'd have to pay your own gas, food, lodging and (one assumes) one-way air fare to Lost Wages. What is Eagle Rider contributing? 2,500-some miles of wear'n'tear? I think I'll ignore that knocking sound that oppurtunity's making...... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 18:02:26 2004 From: Daniel To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:02:13 -0400 If you don't hit anything the risks are the same the point being i'm sure there are deserted roads with nothing to hit, therefor the risks are the same. on a side note if you didn't fall at the exact same place, under the exact same curcumstances in the exact same manner, you may be falsley attributing your different results to speed, when it could be other factors, such as road bumps, your leathers, the way you fell etc. On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:17:31 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: >Actually, the force involved in the collision kills you, and force = >mass x velocity. There is a *significant* difference between hitting >something at 70mph vs. 180mph. Saying that the risk is the same is just >silly. > >Having had some experience with this, I can tell you that just >*tumbling* at 60-70mph vs. 100+ mph is way different. One makes you >pissed as you get up and walk away, the other leaves nasty bruises and >usually sprains or dislocates something :) > >- Roach > >Daniel wrote: > >> I would say your statement is innacurate, as there are plenty of >> roadways where you can do 180 mph, and the risk is about the same as >> if you were doing 70 mph... after all, speed doesn't kill you, >> collision does. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 18:06:45 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:06:34 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Guggenheim redux HAHA, suckers! That's only a 3 hour ride for me! On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:18:33 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: > From the LDRider list: "The Guggenheim's Art of the Motorcycle > Exhibition is scheduled to open next April 22, 2005 at the Wonders > Museum in Memphis, TN, and run through the end > of October. " > -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 18:46:50 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:46:42 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) Mike Bartman wrote: From another email Bartman recently sent me . . . "Why did you post this to the list, shithead? My message was only to you, as per the repeated requests of the list owner when "bitch slapping" someone who desperately needs it. Why have you chosen to take it public? Or do you, like Gimmer, just ignore such requests? You are one lowlife motherfucker, you know that?" > Replied to in private, as the original message was...why Sean decided to > take this public to the list, despite the list owner's past requests not to > post such things, I have no idea. Guess it's just in his nature. Or maybe > he's just incompetent with mail software too. > > -- Mike B. I find it supremely ironic that you would call me a "lowlife motherfucker", when YOU are the one sending ME messages saying "Go fuck your bike, shithead." (Lowlife being defined as someone lacking in moral character.) When you sent me your crass and hypocritical email, I decided that you weren't deserving of the common courtesies that you fail to extend others. Instead, I decided to expose how you comport yourself off-list so that listers might contrast that message with those messages everyone reads here. A few items of interest . . . Your message was terse and fairly succint - unlike your normal M.O. of sustained bombast. Furthermore, your words contradicted several claims you made earlier in this thread. Namely, that you don't let your "ego get all flustered", and your suggestion that Gimer fails to offer constructive criticism is a fault you appear to share as well. I also note that you have played the "Harry Says" card in regards to allowable content, although a great deal of your posts to the list fail to abide by these selfsame standards. Also, how can you protest my actions as a breach of ettiquette, when those actions were directly precipitated by your extremely viscious and derisive email? Mike, you would do well to study the fundamental principles of rhetoric, starting first with ethos - you have a huge problem with credibility. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 19:09:07 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:08:02 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794474ddfa5529880e60d3af83b5520e11350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Since everyone seems intent upon dragging me into this, along with every other subscriber here, I suggest you guys settle it the old way. One of you demand satisfaction. Both of you nominate "Seconds". You chosen Seconds work out the details of settling this matter of honor. Once the details are worked out, post the location of said contest of honor to the list. Interested parties will attend and report the results. I got dibs on loose change in the loser's pockets. Dave Yates > Mike Bartman wrote: > > From another email Bartman recently sent me . . . > > "Why did you post this to the list, shithead? My message was only to you, > as per the repeated requests of the list owner when "bitch slapping" > someone who desperately needs it. Why have you chosen to take it public? > Or do you, like Gimmer, just ignore such requests? You are one > lowlife motherfucker, you > know that?" > I find it supremely ironic that you would call me a "lowlife > motherfucker", when YOU are the one sending ME messages saying "Go > fuck your bike, shithead." (Lowlife being defined as someone lacking > in moral character.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 20:55:30 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:54:51 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 05:46 PM 9/30/04 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote: >I find it supremely ironic that you would call me a "lowlife >motherfucker", when YOU are the one sending ME messages saying "Go >fuck your bike, shithead." (Lowlife being defined as someone lacking >in moral character.) You mean like someone who posts private communications to a public list? See why you got that label now? Responding to a personal insult with another personal insult is not immoral where I come from. It's almost mandatory in some circles...where the response isn't direct violence anyway. Your "morality" seems to vary in several aspects, to the extent that from here it appears you have none. At least I sent mine privately, unlike you, so that others wouldn't have to be involved. >When you sent me your crass and hypocritical email, I decided that you >weren't deserving of the common courtesies that you fail to extend >others. When have I ever posted a private message to a public list? Never. Not even when they were full of the sort of stuff I sent you after you did it the first time. You deserved worse IMO BTW. What you did is beneath contempt. >Instead, I decided to expose how you comport yourself off-list >so that listers might contrast that message with those messages >everyone reads here. A few items of interest . . . At least you are admitting your guilt. As for how I respond to things, I respond to people in the same way they treat me. It's an obvious corollary of the Golden Rule. If I assume that you are following it, the way you communicate with me must be the way you want to be communicated with. When people are decent with me, they are treated politely in return. When you are rude, expect rudeness back...it's what you are asking for after all. There's nothing at all hypocritical about any of this. You just don't seem to have the ability to understand it. >Furthermore, your words contradicted several claims you made earlier >in this thread. Namely, that you don't let your "ego get all >flustered", and your suggestion that Gimer fails to offer constructive >criticism is a fault you appear to share as well. There's no contradiction present. My ego had nothing to do with it...I was insulted, you were insulted. You acted despicably by posting that return insult publicly against all rules of civilized behavior, and those of the list, and you got blasted. I thought my suggestion was very constructive...why don't you go try it out and report back? >I also note that you have played the "Harry Says" card in regards to >allowable content, although a great deal of your posts to the list >fail to abide by these selfsame standards. This one sure does, but you keep insisting on dragging this onto the list, despite my attempts to keep it off. Harry can deal with you, I'm done bothering. You can either heed his rules in future, or continue to destroy the atmosphere here for whatever childish purposes you are pursuing. Ever wonder why there are so many lurkers here? Could it be that you capering morons viciously attacking anyone who posts anything other than what you approve of has made the smarter or less durable ones keep quiet? My posts in recent months have been pretty much on topic, and when they drifted along with those I was exchanging mail with, I noticed on my own, and stopped participating on list...usually with a suggestion that others do the same. >Also, how can you protest >my actions as a breach of ettiquette, when those actions were directly >precipitated by your extremely viscious and derisive email? Easily. Both Gimer's and my mails in the thread were on topic and weren't limited to personal attack...though they certainly weren't all that friendly in tone. Yours was nothing but a personal insult with no redeeming value to anyone but you. But you are probably too arrogant and stupid to see the difference. >Mike, you would do well to study the fundamental principles of >rhetoric, starting first with ethos - you have a huge problem with >credibility. In your opinion, which has no value whatsoever to me. Hope you are happy with the other bottom feeders. Advice to everyone: don't send Jordan anything you don't want him to make public, no matter how inappropriate to the list topic. He has no decency whatsoever, and considers himself above such petty social rules...as his recent actions demonstrate VERY clearly. Done with this on-list. Off-list only with people other than Jordan. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 21:00:11 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:00:05 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:54:51 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: > He has no decency whatsoever, and considers himself above such petty social rules...as his recent actions demonstrate VERY clearly. "Which Way the Wind Blows", by Mike Bartman - available in finer booksellers everywhere. > Done with this on-list. Off-list only with people other than Jordan. Mission accomplished. -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 21:30:27 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:30:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Mike vs listers At 02:09 AM 9/30/2004, Carl Schelin wrote: >Okay okay, I'm not getting this here. Let me see if I can >figure this out. > >I made little notes for the gist of the messages. I tried >to do a reply >order and may have missed one or two. Indents imply >replied to the message >above and one character to the left. It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an argument over different views seems to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a Harley? Just because I ride a Harley doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone wants to argue a particular point fine, just keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. "I'm right!" "You're wrong" "Did too!" "Did not!" "You ride a Harley so you're a dick head!" *snort* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 21:38:52 2004 From: "John Finity" To: Subject: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:38:56 -0400 I'm a relatively newborn rider, looking for information on the list, and comraderie of other riders who love the road and want to share the experience. Thats what I joined the list for. The reason I leave lists like this, and am about to do momentarily, is because of bombastic posturing and sophmoric public name calling. And neither one of you will get it; just go on with your lives. Me, for one - I won't fill my mailbox with this daily swill. Bye, all. I will miss the posts from other members though - did enjoy Carl's trip down a rabbit hole, chasing a simple replacement bulb on his bike. I've had that pleasure of knowledge acquisition myself. That is kind of posting I will miss. Ride strong, stay in one piece, have peace, and leave the other riders in peace as well. I'll wave to any and all I pass on the highway. John / Va / 79 CB750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 22:16:19 2004 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys Content-ID: <24714.1096596955.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:15:55 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos People, this is just supposed to be a dopey email list where motorcycle geeks talk about how (not?) to change a headlight, how to keep dry, and how to find replacements for those crappy plastic helmet screws. These really aren't topics that require a high level of human drama. To all the "keyboard-pitbulls" out there, you're engaging in a hobby completely unrelated to the one the rest of us are interested in. Please don't turn the 300 motorcyclists on this list into your audience, it's boring and annoying for us. I assure you, we really don't give a crap. If you absolutely must send a "you're an a-hole" message, send it in private email. If you receive such a message, and you absolutely must respond, do so privately. In other words, when it stops being about motorcycling, and starts being personal, take it off list. Or even better, just let it go, you're conducting a holy war against an email address, after all. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 22:41:18 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:51 AM 9/30/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >however, the gist of my beef is and continues to be your > >long-winded, expert on every subject, essays.... which > are > >often qualified at the end by "i'm no expert" [but i've > >lectured you anyway]. > > If you are seeing them as lectures, it's probably an ego > problem on your part. I'm just sharing what I know, or > think I know. > Substantive comments > about where I'm right, or wrong, are welcome. Personal > attacks that add > nothing but unpleasantness to the list are not. i'm quite comfortable reading all of your future posts as if you're simply sharing what you think you know. that you'll likely have something, anything, that you think you know on every topic will make it more humorous. > The posts I've been making, that you are complaining > about, are on topic. > If you don't want to read them due to length, or who > posted them, or just > because your imaginary friend said not to, I don't care. > Hit delete and > move on. Where does this burning desire of yours to > control what I do come > from? i've recently been appointed list quality control manager. > >> For instance, a rider drops out of a staggered > >> left-track/right-track > >> formation for some reason, while the rest continue on. > > >> What do you do about the "hole"? > > > >well, we certainly don't spend time writing and > lecturing > >about it. further, depending upon where the group is on > >the roadway, it may not be in staggered formation and > thus > >there will be no "hole" to fill. > > Then that rule wouldn't be involved now, would it? If > you were at home on > your couch, none of the group riding rules would apply, > or be necessary. > So what? how about why is anyone suddenly disappearing from your rides? this situation is so rarely an issue that it is odd that there would be a "rule" to cover it. my implied point (re: out of staggered formation) was that these problems resolve themselves quickly when there is any varying terrain. one turn and voila! proper formation returns. > >why would there ever be a situation (save a stop) where > a rider > >to the rear has placed his front tire in front of the > rear > >tire of ANYONE in front of him/her? > > Following too close? against the rules > Momentary distraction? against the rules > Planning to pass in the same lane? (had this done to me > more than once, usually in groups other than > HOG, where such things are against the rules as well as > the local laws). what you said > Even without that overlap, someone changing tracks like > that can reduce the > following distance of the bike now behind him to unsafe > levels. We ride 2 > seconds behind the bike in the same track ahead, and 1 > second behind the > bike in the opposite track (minimums...you can have more > if you like). If the bike in one track shifts over to > fill a hole, the > bike behind could be > only 1 second back until he can slow to re-create the > distance. If > something happens before he can do that, you can have a > crash, which the > "don't fill the hole" rule will avoid. It's not the only > way to avoid it, > but it works well. sounds like it. of course, not blindly charging to "fill a hole" while riding a cageless vehicle might work equally as well. > >> That's just one example where everyone being on the > same > >> page can prevent a > >> wreck. There are others. But you go ahead and let > >> everyone "wing it" in > >> the groups you lead. > > > >more bullshit. no rules sheet = wing it? > > You said you don't have written rules, or a pre-ride > briefing to go over > them. You have been poo-pooing the entire idea of agreed > upon rules in > group rides. I think that's stupid. Macho maybe, but > stupid. you read me wrong.... rules are fine (remember the short list previously quoted?) but insisting that folks should endure a pre-ride ceremony of common-sense-reduced-to-writing just to join a 50-bike 50-mile rolling tampon ride up the interstate is overkill; and such rules place more emphasis on group dynamics than road conditions, where attention should be. > >perhaps in your > >little world of hotdogs and playing cards. in my world, > >the rules are pretty much as paul wilson described. > anyone > >who can't follow them doesn't get another invite. > > You mean anyone who isn't psychic enough to pick them out > of your brain, or > limited enough to only see them one way...same way you > have? > > Paul's rules are fine. Most are the same as the HOGs > use, as I said > yesterday. If you know for a fact that everyone on the > ride knows them, > and knows they will be the ones used, you don't need to > discuss them. > Otherwise, not doing so is just foolish. As I pointed > out, there's more > than one way to handle common group riding problems, and > some ways > conflict. I may not have ridden since birth in group > rides like you claim > to have done, but I've seen people change tracks to close > a hole, and I've > seen people pass in the same lane to close a hole (both > situations were on > charity rides with people who weren't HOG members, and > the riding rules > weren't always explained before the start...sort of like > you say you run a > ride...) and thank god i ride with people who respect these machines and themselves enough to ride their own ride. literally. > Listen to what I've said or don't. Won't affect me > either way. I'll never > be on a group ride that you are leading. at least we agree on something. after all, there is limited daylight, dude. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 22:55:00 2004 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:59:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i remember this same violin solo playing when brian mccoy left the list. --- John Finity wrote: > I'm a relatively newborn rider, looking for information > on the list, and > comraderie of other riders who love the road and want to > share the > experience. Thats what I joined the list for. > > The reason I leave lists like this, and am about to do > momentarily, is > because of bombastic posturing and sophmoric public name > calling. And > neither one of you will get it; just go on with your > lives. Me, for one - I > won't fill my mailbox with this daily swill. Bye, all. > > I will miss the posts from other members though - did > enjoy Carl's trip down > a rabbit hole, chasing a simple replacement bulb on his > bike. I've had that > pleasure of knowledge acquisition myself. > That is kind of posting I will miss. > > Ride strong, stay in one piece, have peace, and leave the > other riders in > peace as well. I'll wave to any and all I pass on the > highway. > > John / Va / 79 CB750 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 30 23:03:39 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Harleys, not harleys, disagreements, was Re: Mike vs listers Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:02:34 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79dfbaf1b6ed35c2262f154fb89ba92221350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an argument over > different views seems > to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a Harley? I don't know... Why is it Harley Owner's Group, and not Harley User's Group? Or World Harley Organization of Riding Enthusiasts? ;-) Dave Yates