From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 07:19:21 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:19:05 EDT Subject: Re: Mechanical Question Auto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/31/2004 4:08:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > I'm in the > middle of a clutch install on my C5 and it's a complete bitch. I said it was a pain in the ass. And it is BUT $1200 will buy a little K-Y ifyaknowwhatImean. (My wifes car is 4WD and is about equal to yours in the ass pain dept.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 13:28:17 2004 Subject: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:28:09 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of debris hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It was the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. 02 Yamaha Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. One Step forward, Two Steps back. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 13:42:49 2004 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:42:33 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Reality Check Part II At 01:28 PM 9/1/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It was >the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. That sucks. Sounds like it may be something your insurance might help with at least...defective roadway damage. >bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. Is it the calipers, or the rotor? >One Step forward, Two Steps back. I know that dance. It eventually ends and you get to do a fast march though. Hang in there. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:10:07 2004 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:09:27 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Julian Halton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reality Check Part II Julian Halton wrote: > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > bandit.com Call 1-888-MC-WHEEL in NH http://www.mcwheel.com/ We send all our bent and mangled rims to them, they do great work, and a lot cheaper than a new rim. I don't know what their turn-around time is like right now, but it's usually not too bad. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:12:04 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:11:30 -0400 There's a used one on Ebay that ends tonight, it might be worth looking at , of course YMMV. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248809812 3&category=10066 There'a also a set of chrom ones for $600.00 :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248856181 5&category=35601 Cedric Bernescut Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs 02 Yamaha Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. One Step forward, Two Steps back. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:23:55 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:23:50 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: 02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are always scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and what you need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow sympathetic riders. --smthng > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I > let my attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a > piece of debris hard enough to zing my back and send the > front tire in mid-air. It was the center piece of a manhole > cover that was protruding. > > 02 Yamaha > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 > bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping > correctly. > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it > looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 > for the calipers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:26:24 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:25:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reality Check Part II -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton 02 Yamaha Turns out my front wheel is effed... --------- What is wrong with the wheel, exactly? As Brian R. sez, it might be a candidate for straigthening. If that doesn't pan, out there are a lot of R6s around, so finding a wheel in a junkyard shouldn't be too hard. I don't know of an option that'll get you back on the road by the weekend, though. Seems like you're having a lot of vehicular woes lately. :( Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:28:10 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:23:50 -0400 > From: Jonathan W. Kalmes > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II > > 02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are always > scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and what you > need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow sympathetic > riders. > Also check crossroads cycles. They've got some... spare parts out behind their shop. > > >> As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. >> Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I >> let my attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a >> piece of debris hard enough to zing my back and send the >> front tire in mid-air. It was the center piece of a manhole >> cover that was protruding. >> >> 02 Yamaha >> Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 >> bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping >> correctly. >> Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it >> looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 >> for the calipers. > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 14:54:10 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:54:04 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , Besides cosmetics, are there any advantages to chrome wheels? -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II There's a used one on Ebay that ends tonight, it might be worth looking at , of course YMMV. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24880 9812 3&category=10066 There'a also a set of chrom ones for $600.00 :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24885 6181 5&category=35601 Cedric Bernescut Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs 02 Yamaha Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. One Step forward, Two Steps back. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:03:46 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:03:41 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , Yamaha r6 Have now been told it is rideable so may be in luck for my trip..although they say the dent is large enough to warrant replacement. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:24 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II 02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are always scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and what you need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow sympathetic riders. --smthng > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my > attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of debris > hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It > was the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. > > 02 Yamaha > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like > I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:04:16 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:47:16 -0400 $600? That's a pretty good price. I checked into chroming a spare set of wheels for my Concours and was quoted $700 - just for the chroming. I was able to pick up the two wheels for $300, which was a VERY good price. They even included decent rim protectors, and brake rotors... I am also a firm believer in repair, at least for car wheels. Ye Olde Wheel Shoppe in Elkridge has my business for the car. About $95 to repair a 17" car wheel - versus $400+ to replace. Turn around is about two weeks. Perry >From: bernescut@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:11:30 -0400 > >There's a used one on Ebay that ends tonight, it might be worth looking at >, >of course YMMV. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248809812 >3&category=10066 > >There'a also a set of chrom ones for $600.00 :) >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248856181 >5&category=35601 >Cedric Bernescut > >Inspirational Thought for the Day: > >http://tinyurl.com/zbgs > > >02 Yamaha >Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike >bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. >Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I >wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. > >One Step forward, Two Steps back. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:13:32 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:17 -0400 Julian, How rideable is it? Is it stable at highway speed? Does it hold air OK? You do NOT want to embark on a long trip with something that's going to wobble, or shimmy, or just run out of air when you're a couple of hundred miles away cruising along at 65 mph. If it is stable, then maybe you should check out the bling bling chrome wheels. That'll be a nice little upgrade to the bike, if you're so inclined. Otherwise, I agree with trying to find a cheap used wheel AND getting the original repaired. If you can pick up a spare wheel, you won't have any downtime while getting the other replaced. You can probably do that for less than the price of a new wheel. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , > >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:03:41 -0400 > >Yamaha r6 >Have now been told it is rideable so may be in luck for my >trip..although they say the dent is large enough to warrant replacement. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:24 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II > >02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are always >scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and what you >need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow sympathetic >riders. > >--smthng > > > > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my > > attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of debris > > hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It > > was the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. > > > > 02 Yamaha > > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > > bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. > > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like > > > I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:17:05 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:16:59 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Perry Coleman" , The big bump happened Friday night. I rode all weekend, fairly hard and did not notice anything. The mechanic says that at present no air is leaking. I noticed a "hesitation" on tight turns but other than that, I rode it at highway speeds comfortably. -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Julian, How rideable is it? Is it stable at highway speed? Does it hold air OK? You do NOT want to embark on a long trip with something that's going to wobble, or shimmy, or just run out of air when you're a couple of hundred miles away cruising along at 65 mph. If it is stable, then maybe you should check out the bling bling chrome wheels. That'll be a nice little upgrade to the bike, if you're so inclined. Otherwise, I agree with trying to find a cheap used wheel AND getting the original repaired. If you can pick up a spare wheel, you won't have any downtime while getting the other replaced. You can probably do that for less than the price of a new wheel. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , > >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:03:41 -0400 > >Yamaha r6 >Have now been told it is rideable so may be in luck for my >trip..although they say the dent is large enough to warrant replacement. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:24 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II > >02 Yamaha what? I'm on several Yamaha boards/lists and there are >always scavengable parts up for grabs. Let me know what you got and >what you need and I can see if I can hunt them down from fellow >sympathetic riders. > >--smthng > > > > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my > > attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of > > debris hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in > > mid-air. It was the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. > > > > 02 Yamaha > > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > > bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. > > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks > > like > > > I wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:27:19 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: More canceled races at Summit! Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:32:01 -0400 Damn, no CCS this weekend. I have season tickets and they have now promised some compensation for all the canceled races. If you have season tickets, you may want to call BSR. They don't have any idea WHAT the compensation will be. I'll settle for tickets for next year. Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:34:34 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:17:07 -0400 Oops! That should read "repaired" not "replaced". >From: "Perry Coleman" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II >Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:17 -0400 > [snip] >used wheel AND getting the original repaired. If you can pick up a spare >wheel, you won't have any downtime while getting the other replaced. You >can probably do that for less than the price of a new wheel. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 15:46:19 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:46:01 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reality Check Part II If you have collision, that will do it. Between Pennsylvania and DC, my GSX1100G went through three front wheels :-( Thanks, Progressive :-) Michael J. On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:28:09 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > > As always, getting my 12000 mile service done. > Saturday night, coming up Lee highway from the key bridge, I let my > attention linger on a drifting van too long and hit a piece of debris > hard enough to zing my back and send the front tire in mid-air. It was > the center piece of a manhole cover that was protruding. > > 02 Yamaha > Turns out my front wheel is effed.....$465 dealer part...$415 bike > bandit.com and my front brake calipers are not gripping correctly. > Looks like they won't be able to get the parts in so now it looks like I > wont be biking North at least this weekend. $220 for the calipers. > > One Step forward, Two Steps back. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 16:08:22 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:09:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: air conditioned vest http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1086244.html?menu=news.quirkies Air conditioning for motorbikes An Israeli inventor has designed what he claims is the world's first air-conditioning unit for motorbikes. Physicist Glen Guttman from company Entrosys said the device was technologically simple. But he added: "Like any simple idea, you have to think it up, and then you have to implement it." The bike is fitted with an electronic unit powered by a standard motorcycle battery which funnels cold air into a thermal vest worn under the biker's jacket. Speaking to Israel Army Radio, Guttman said the air conditioning unit was a small, lightweight box that fitted into the vehicle's storage compartment and was connected to the driver's body by a rubber tube. "The torso is the obvious target for air conditioning if you take into account the human physiology," said Guttman. The system cost )B£278,000 to develop, which Guttman raised through investors, and he now hopes the cooling motorbike air conditioning unit will be on the market by the middle of next year. He said each unit would cost "several hundred pounds" and would first hit European and American shores. The inventor said, however, that he will not be testing the unit himself: "My investors don't want me to ride a motorbike myself. They want to make sure I stay safe." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 16:53:42 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: air conditioned vest To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Great. The SUV-ification of bikes continues. --- Erick Singley wrote: > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1086244.html?menu=news.quirkies > > Air conditioning for motorbikes > > An Israeli inventor has designed what he claims is > the world's first > air-conditioning unit for motorbikes. > > Physicist Glen Guttman from company Entrosys said > the device was > technologically simple. > > But he added: "Like any simple idea, you have to > think it up, and > then you have to implement it." > > The bike is fitted with an electronic unit powered > by a standard > motorcycle battery which funnels cold air into a > thermal vest worn > under the biker's jacket. > > Speaking to Israel Army Radio, Guttman said the air > conditioning unit > was a small, lightweight box that fitted into the > vehicle's storage > compartment and was connected to the driver's body > by a rubber tube. > > "The torso is the obvious target for air > conditioning if you take > into account the human physiology," said Guttman. > > The system cost )B£278,000 to develop, which Guttman > raised through > investors, and he now hopes the cooling motorbike > air conditioning > unit will be on the market by the middle of next > year. > > He said each unit would cost "several hundred > pounds" and would first > hit European and American shores. > > The inventor said, however, that he will not be > testing the unit > himself: "My investors don't want me to ride a > motorbike myself. They > want to make sure I stay safe." > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 17:00:18 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:00:14 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: air conditioned vest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MK: > >Great. The SUV-ification of bikes continues. > [Dave] Eh. As long as we're not staring down the barrel of Venti sized cup holders, cell phone holders, mega-watt subwoofers, etc... I think we're safe. For now. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 17:09:14 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.182) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Sep 2004 21:08:55 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:08:54 -0500 Subject: Best place to buy a DL650? Anyone got any opinions about what's the best Suzuki store in the area? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 17:37:37 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: air conditioned vest To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > MK: > >Great. The SUV-ification of bikes continues. > [Dave] Eh. As long as we're not staring down the > barrel of > Venti sized cup holders, cell phone holders, > mega-watt > subwoofers, etc... I think we're safe. For now. I've got a cup holder and a cell phone holder (hands free of course) on each of my bikes. AC and sub-woofers probably use a lot of power, I'll pass on those. Leon. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 17:37:50 2004 Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II From: lister lynch To: Perry Coleman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:37:28 -0400 The other advantage of 2 wheels is that you can have new tires mounted, replace the bearings, etc. and have virtually no downtime on the bike. Mike > >From: "Perry Coleman" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II > >Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:17 -0400 > > > [snip] > >used wheel AND getting the original repaired. If you can pick up a spare > >wheel, you won't have any downtime while getting the other replaced. You > >can probably do that for less than the price of a new wheel. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 18:00:01 2004 X-Spam-Check-By: yes.devclue.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Best place to buy a DL650? X-Virus-Checked: Checked On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, David Blumgart wrote: > Anyone got any opinions about what's the best Suzuki store in the area? I got a great price ($5500 out the door, IIRC) and good service from Romney Cycle Center in Romney, WV. They didn't have the color I wanted (black) in stock, but were happy to order it for me, and I got it about a week after my first phone call to them. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 18:21:07 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Why have they been cancelling races at Summit Point? --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Damn, no CCS this weekend. I have season tickets and they have now promised > some compensation for all the canceled races. If you have season tickets, > you may want to call BSR. They don't have any idea WHAT the compensation > will be. I'll settle for tickets for next year. > > Gary Foreman > > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 18:37:26 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: More canceled races at Summit! Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400 I'm not sure if all of the cancelled races were scheduled on the new track (not finished), or if other races that were scheduled for the new track are bumping the cycle races out of the picture. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:hughtwg@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:21 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! Why have they been cancelling races at Summit Point? --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Damn, no CCS this weekend. I have season tickets and they have now > promised some compensation for all the canceled races. If you have > season tickets, you may want to call BSR. They don't have any idea > WHAT the compensation will be. I'll settle for tickets for next year. > > Gary Foreman > > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 19:07:53 2004 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:07:30 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Gary Foreman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! All the CCS races for the second half of the year were scheduled on the new circuit which isn't finished yet. Beyond that ... the new circuit may have some serious safety issues (it's lined with concrete walls), so it's all up in the air as to what is going to happen when it's finally completed. - Roach Gary Foreman wrote: > I'm not sure if all of the cancelled races were scheduled on the new track > (not finished), or if other races that were scheduled for the new track are > bumping the cycle races out of the picture. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 19:09:58 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: More canceled races at Summit! Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:14:46 -0400 What WERE THEY THINKING????? -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:08 PM To: Gary Foreman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! All the CCS races for the second half of the year were scheduled on the new circuit which isn't finished yet. Beyond that ... the new circuit may have some serious safety issues (it's lined with concrete walls), so it's all up in the air as to what is going to happen when it's finally completed. - Roach Gary Foreman wrote: > I'm not sure if all of the cancelled races were scheduled on the new > track (not finished), or if other races that were scheduled for the > new track are bumping the cycle races out of the picture. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 19:20:15 2004 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:27:36 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Gary Foreman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! Gary Foreman wrote: >What WERE THEY THINKING????? > > > View photos here: http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56744&highlight=shenandoah+circuit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 1 22:57:16 2004 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II To: "Daniel H. Brown" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > Also check crossroads cycles. They've got some... spare parts out > behind their shop. Yeah, and if they don't have it, they might be willing to steal it off a customer bike and sell it to you (like the brake reservoir, lever, etc. they stole off my VF500F). -- Larry _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 00:42:31 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:41:08 -0400 To: Laura Roach , Gary Foreman From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More canceled races at Summit! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:27 PM 9/1/04 -0400, Laura Roach wrote: >Gary Foreman wrote: > >>What WERE THEY THINKING????? >> >View photos here: > >http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56744&highlight=shenandoah +circuit I'm no racer, but I know I wouldn't want to hit those walls at speed without a roll cage around me (and I wouldn't be very eager to do it even then). There appears to be a fair bit of space between the paved track and the walls...perhaps they are planning some sort of buffer zone, full of hay bales and snow fence (or other energy absorbing systems), for that space? That might make more sense...with the concrete there only as a last resort to keep a vehicle from crossing into oncoming traffic? I don't see where the deer come into it though...those walls won't stop any wildlife from getting onto the track. Deer could clear it with a slight hop, and most smaller lifeforms could either climb it, fly over it or tunnel under it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 01:04:02 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:03:54 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? Stupid cager, perhaps? http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=10419 -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 01:57:30 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:57:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Indian Larry is dead... Just found out about this. It's a real shame. Just based on what I've seen of him on various TV shows, especially in how he conducted himself in the Biker Buildoff against Billy Lane, he was one guy I'd have liked to meet someday. At least he went doing what he loved doing, and given what he described of his philosophy of life on some of the TV appearances, I doubt he'd be upset about how things worked out. He was one of a kind for sure. This is one article I found: 'Indian Larry' Said Killed at Bike Show CONCORD, N.C. August 30, 2004; The AP reported that a custom motorcycle builder known for his appearances on cable's Discovery Channel died Monday at a hospital of head injuries suffered during a stunt, officials said. "Indian Larry" fell off a motorcycle Saturday while performing before 8,000 people at an arena outside Charlotte. He was not wearing a helmet, the officials said. Indian Larry was standing on the moving bike when it began to wobble and went out of control, said Mike Downs, Cabarrus County deputy manager. His full name was not immediately known. "Indian Larry was a man with great skill and talent as a mechanic and metal sculptor," said Robert Freeman, chairman of the county board of commissioners. "He will be truly missed by his fans here in Cabarrus County and throughout the nation." Indian Larry, who appeared in movies and television shows, was featured on a Discovery Channel series in which motorcycle builders design and build bikes from scratch, then have them judged by motorcycle aficionados. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 08:40:34 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:40:23 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX SJ baits us with: >Stupid cager, perhaps? > >http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp? insert=10419 [Dave] I would be SHOCKED if these allegations were true. SHOCKED I tell you. A poorly skilled SUV pilot. Nary a chance of that happening. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 09:04:26 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Indian Larry is dead... On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Just found out about this. It's a real shame. Just based on what I've > seen of him on various TV shows, especially in how he conducted himself in > the Biker Buildoff against Billy Lane, he was one guy I'd have liked to > meet someday. At least he went doing what he loved doing, and given what > he described of his philosophy of life on some of the TV appearances, I > doubt he'd be upset about how things worked out. He was one of a kind for > sure. I don't know if Larry ever posted here, but his friends hang out on this message board - www.ironcross.net - click on Back Talk. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 09:24:38 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Dave Yates'" , Subject: RE: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:24:31 -0400 This just makes both parties wrong. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:40 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? SJ baits us with: >Stupid cager, perhaps? > >http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp? insert=10419 [Dave] I would be SHOCKED if these allegations were true. SHOCKED I tell you. A poorly skilled SUV pilot. Nary a chance of that happening. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 10:50:48 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:50:45 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New here! Hey all im new here. i live in fairfax county, but durring the school year i live in frostburg Md. I purchased a 1990 Suzuki Gs-500 about a month ago and am LOVING it! Yes i have taken the MSF class, yes i have gear (most). as a matter of fact i used to be subscribed to this board about 4 years ago when i thought i wanted an R6 as my first bike. HAH. thanks for all those who back then helped me get into the MSF class ect. anyways im 22 and cant get enough of this bike, i went on my first ride in the twisties out on clifton road. it was so sweet. it scared the piss outta me i was taking 15 MPH turns at like 25 and it felt sooo good. going in the turn i felt like i was going to fast but when i got through it seemed like i was barely creeping through it lol. anyways sorry to rant but i had soo much fun, if i cna only find a noob riding partner:P comments and questions more then welcome! Eric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 11:06:32 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:06:04 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates SJ baits us with: >Stupid cager, perhaps? > >http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp? insert=10419 [Dave] I would be SHOCKED if these allegations were true. SHOCKED I tell you. A poorly skilled SUV pilot. Nary a chance of that happening. Dave Yates ------ Hmmm, just like we teach in the MSF: most crashes are caused by a combo of factors. The Exploder pilot was 16 years old too. We need graduated licensing for cagers. Everyone should learn to drive on a 1973 Pinto, like I did. No need to augment that youthful feeling of invincibility. The Pinto certainly fit the bill on that score. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 11:30:51 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:30:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Best place to buy a DL650? To: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX David - I'm real happy with my experience in buying from Champions in Herndon. I got a price from Romney, and Champion matched it. Of course, this was last November, and the Bandits weren't exactly flying out the door..... Still, might be worth a shot. Brian Ray --- David Blumgart wrote: > Anyone got any opinions about what's the best Suzuki > store in the area? > -- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 11:37:36 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:37:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Driver training (was: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought?) At 11:06 AM 9/2/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Everyone should learn to drive on a 1973 Pinto, like I did. No need to augment that youthful feeling of invincibility. The Pinto certainly fit the bill on that score. I agree. I got taught in a combination of a '63 Mercury Montclair and a '67 VW Bug...but the Bug was my first car. You could drive it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. If I'd gotten something like a '70 Baracuda I'd have gotten in a lot more trouble. Drove one once...thinking about looking for one again...now that I have a full-face helmet and leathers and am therefore "mature"... ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:12:25 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:12:02 EDT Subject: Re: New here! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Welcome (back) to the list. Glad to hear that someone out there listened to the advice of us old coots and didn't go buying an R6 as their first bike at the tender age of 18. LOL Have fun on the Suzuk and, in a couple years, THEN go out and buy an R6. ;-) That's what I did and I am so glad I waited. Totaled one bike in my first year of riding and dumped my second one. =8-0. This one's my baby. :-) Who is now not so pristine as someone tried to steal it a couple weekends ago and tipped it over. :-( Few minor scratches on the nose, headlight, front fender and right side lower due to hitting the concrete column it was parked beside. Got me off the fence about buying an alarm though. I can't wait for the first person to try to take it and get an earful. :-) Scooter (2000 R6 - Alarmed and dangerous) In a message dated 9/2/2004 10:51:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eric.geary@XXXXXX writes: Hey all im new here. i live in fairfax county, but durring the school year i live in frostburg Md. I purchased a 1990 Suzuki Gs-500 about a month ago and am LOVING it! Yes i have taken the MSF class, yes i have gear (most). as a matter of fact i used to be subscribed to this board about 4 years ago when i thought i wanted an R6 as my first bike. HAH. thanks for all those who back then helped me get into the MSF class ect. anyways im 22 and cant get enough of this bike, i went on my first ride in the twisties out on clifton road. it was so sweet. it scared the piss outta me i was taking 15 MPH turns at like 25 and it felt sooo good. going in the turn i felt like i was going to fast but when i got through it seemed like i was barely creeping through it lol. anyways sorry to rant but i had soo much fun, if i cna only find a noob riding partner:P comments and questions more then welcome! Eric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:17:09 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Sep 2004 16:13:19 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:13:19 -0500 Subject: Driver training Mike wrote: >> ...the ['67] Bug was my first car. You could drive >> it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping >> clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the >> gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never >> exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get >> "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured >> with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. A '67? You had the high-performance upgrade with the 1500cc engine, and, I think, 50 (Count 'em! 50!) horsepower. I learned on a '63 which still had the 1200 engine. That car would teach you patience. And my first bike (just to keep from getting busted for going too far off list-topic) was a 1965 175cc Jawa two-stroke street bike that wouldn't go over 65 mph, and a damn good thing, too. I rode it from Brattleboro VT to College Park MD in the summer of '70, all on back roads. Unlike most OF's reminiscing about their first bike, I'm quite happy I don't have that POS today. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:18:00 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:17:45 EDT Subject: Re: Driver training (was: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we th... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A VW Bug......aaaahhhhhhh.......memories. I still remember being a kid and swimming in the pool at my grandparents and watching my sister come barreling through the field straight towards us in my grandfathers bug. He was giving her lessons in the 2-3 acre back yard and the look of panic on his face got everybody out of the pool real quick. She swerved and missed but, I think he ended the lesson real quick after that. lol Scooter (learned in a 84 Subaru wagon) In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:37:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: At 11:06 AM 9/2/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Everyone should learn to drive on a 1973 Pinto, like I did. No need to augment that youthful feeling of invincibility. The Pinto certainly fit the bill on that score. I agree. I got taught in a combination of a '63 Mercury Montclair and a '67 VW Bug...but the Bug was my first car. You could drive it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. If I'd gotten something like a '70 Baracuda I'd have gotten in a lot more trouble. Drove one once...thinking about looking for one again...now that I have a full-face helmet and leathers and am therefore "mature"... ;-) -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:43:16 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:44:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: HOT lanes OK, I'll admit I could do more research but here's a quick question. I understand they'll be putting HOT lanes on some sections of the beltway, Rt 270 and Rt 95 at some point. (six years for the beltway one) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36655-2004Aug26.html) It looks like the lane would be Jersey Walled off. Now, as Abe on the 'Simpsons' said about social security- "I didn't ask for it, I don't want it, but if they miss a payment I'll raise hell!" The article doesn't specifically mention motorcycles, but can I assume that since it's meant for HOV (and those with more money than time) that we can ride in it? If so, though I'm not really for the idea of HOT, I'd ride in them for free... Erick 74' CB-750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 12:59:30 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:59:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOT lanes -----Original Message----- From: Erick Singley OK, I'll admit I could do more research but here's a quick question. I understand they'll be putting HOT lanes on some sections of the beltway, Rt 270 and Rt 95 at some point. (six years for the beltway one) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36655-2004Aug26.html) It looks like the lane would be Jersey Walled off. Now, as Abe on the 'Simpsons' said about social security- "I didn't ask for it, I don't want it, but if they miss a payment I'll raise hell!" The article doesn't specifically mention motorcycles, but can I assume that since it's meant for HOV (and those with more money than time) that we can ride in it? If so, though I'm not really for the idea of HOT, I'd ride in them for free... Erick 74' CB-750 ----- Motorcycles are such an afterthought, VDOT and Fluor Daniel (their private sector partner) probably haven't even given moto any consideration yet. Given that motos are HOV-eligible elsewhere, I don't see why we would be excluded. I have to wonder about the practicality of this whole scheme. There's some serious construction that needs to happen, flyovers, etc. Even though Fluor Daniel gets the right-of-way for "free", they'd have to raise some serious scratch from tolls to service the debt on the project. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 13:35:27 2004 Subject: RE: New here! Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:35:17 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > Hey all im new here. i live in fairfax county, but durring > the school year i live in frostburg Md. I purchased a 1990 > Suzuki Gs-500 about a month ago and am LOVING it! Nice bike... A very nice balance between power, style, comfort and fun on that one. Enjoy. :) > sorry to rant but i had soo much fun, if i cna only find a > noob riding partner:P I'm not a newb, but I ride with a couple. :) I've got a distant relative who's bike I'm restoring (must remember to order new gas tank today) and I'll be teaching him on that as soon as it's running (another three weeks or so I hope). I've also got a couple of guys at work I go riding with on a regular basis. They ride cruisers though, so it feels like they're newbs (that's somewhat tongue in cheek... A Victory can corner far better than I would have expected it to be able to). :P We're probably going to be doing a fairly long ride out to Shenandoah this Saturday. Anyway, welcome aboard! --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:08:24 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Makes you wonder... Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:07:53 -0400 The "C" place won "Best New Dealership" from Ducati North America. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040902b.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:10:58 2004 Subject: RE: Makes you wonder... Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:10:52 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , They have always been great to me so can only recommend their service department. I have not tried to buy a bike there yet. -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Makes you wonder... The "C" place won "Best New Dealership" from Ducati North America. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040902b.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:12:07 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:12:01 -0400 To: "David Blumgart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Driver training At 11:13 AM 9/2/04 -0500, David Blumgart wrote: >Mike wrote: > >>> ...the ['67] Bug was my first car. You could drive >>> it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping >>> clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the >>> gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never >>> exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get >>> "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured >>> with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. > >A '67? You had the high-performance upgrade with the 1500cc engine, and, I think, 50 (Count 'em! 50!) horsepower. It's been a while, but I seem to remember it as 1600cc and 65 HP...very similar to what my Harley has! Have to look it up to be sure. >I learned on a '63 which still had the 1200 engine. That car would teach you patience. I suspect your brakes weren't any better than mine were, so it also taught you to plan ahead, and use the engine to slow down. I once tried a panic stop from 50mph...the brake effect was about 1/3 of what I started with by the time I got stopped, and I was really starting to wonder if I'd get stopped before I was well into the intersection. Brake shoes an inch wide don't get you much...especially when they get hot...or wet. On the other hand, I did once get that car through water that was halfway up the doors (Hurricane Agnes I think...summer of '74 anyway). Revved the engine to keep the pipes from backing up, kept moving so the engine was in the shallower "wake", and ignored the front end floating slightly off the roadway and the waves breaking on the windshield. Did about 300 yards that way, then pulled up on a friend's front lawn to wait for the water to go down (ended up wading home and coming back for it later...a good thing, as it got deeper before it got shallower). Only four vehicles made it through: me, a Renault (that flooded the driver in the process...I stayed dry ;-), a city dumptruck with a 3' ground clearance and a Honda CVCC. A cop car and several big Detroit-like things all stalled out. The cop was standing on his hood (Ford Torino) waving for people to keep back as I passed him. ;-) [BTW - the water wasn't moving or that would have been seriously stupid. This was Va. Beach, which is flatter than Kansas...which is why the water was there to start with.] >And my first bike (just to keep from getting busted for going too far off list-topic) was a 1965 175cc Jawa two-stroke street bike that wouldn't go over 65 mph, and a damn good thing, too. Mine was an '82 (or was it '83?) Yamaha XT-550 enduro...I once got it up to 78mph, and I decided never to do that again. It's way too light (just over 300 lbs) and the knobby tires weren't really intended for those speeds on pavement! It shook like a cheap lawnmower at any speed, and at that speed the 1 cylinder engine was threatening to leave the bike. Low end torque and going over almost anything were its strengths, not speed. >Unlike most OF's reminiscing about their first bike, I'm quite happy I don't have that POS today. I wouldn't mind having the Yamaha again, but only if I had a farm so there'd be a decent place to ride it often. It's not really at its best in the 'burbs...though given the way D.C.'s paving crews work, it might be ideal for the city! ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:17:28 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:17:23 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: New here! At 01:35 PM 9/2/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > >like they're newbs (that's somewhat tongue in cheek... A Victory can >corner far better than I would have expected it to be able to). At legal speeds, or even slightly above them, almost all bikes can corner just fine. You don't need to "drag a knee" except on a track. >We're probably going to be doing a fairly long ride out to Shenandoah >this Saturday. Maybe we'll see each other...the MC-HOGs have a ride planned to go out to Luray on Saturday. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 14:48:33 2004 Subject: RE: New here! Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:48:20 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > At legal speeds, or even slightly above them, almost all > bikes can corner just fine. I guess "nimble" would have been a more applicable description. My Shadow Ace could corner quite well, but would usually slide the back wheel out a bit entering the second portion of a tight S curve. My pal's Victory does a much better job. I'm guessing his suspension is much more capable than my Shadow's was. > You don't need to "drag a knee" except on a track. Not these knees! The only time I get that low is when I serious F'ed up something. :o > Maybe we'll see each other...the MC-HOGs have a ride planned > to go out to Luray on Saturday. Hope so... Looks like my pal is considering backing out though. So, if you see a blue FZ1 with lots of blue bags and gear with a red helmet all on his lonesome, that'd be me. Enjoy! --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 15:07:26 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:07:13 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: New here! At 02:48 PM 9/2/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >> At legal speeds, or even slightly above them, almost all >> bikes can corner just fine. > >I guess "nimble" would have been a more applicable description. My >Shadow Ace could corner quite well, but would usually slide the back >wheel out a bit entering the second portion of a tight S curve. My >pal's Victory does a much better job. I'm guessing his suspension is >much more capable than my Shadow's was. Could be I suppose...or maybe the tires are better suited to the weight? Or just newer? Don't know enough about suspensions to guess any better than that. Maybe some of the racers here will comment. >> You don't need to "drag a knee" except on a track. > >Not these knees! The only time I get that low is when I serious F'ed up >something. :o My bike won't get even close to that, so my beat-up old knees are safe. More than about a 28 degree lean and I start dragging hard parts. Done it a few times now. On the right side it's the hose clamps that hold the front cylinder's heat shield onto the muffler (abused that one a couple of times and it broke later while parked...at least they are cheap! ;-). Not sure what will drag on the left side...probably either the jiffy stand or the floorboard support bracket. So far I haven't dragged that side. >> Maybe we'll see each other...the MC-HOGs have a ride planned >> to go out to Luray on Saturday. > >Hope so... Looks like my pal is considering backing out though. So, if >you see a blue FZ1 with lots of blue bags and gear with a red helmet all >on his lonesome, that'd be me. Enjoy! I'll keep an eye out for you. I'll be the Teal/Silver '04 Heritage Classic with the black leather studded bags and windsheild. Not sure what helmet I'll take...either a black full face or a black half helmet with a few stickers on it. Most likely a black H-D nylon jacket too, though I may take the mesh if it's warm enough. Also not sure how many bikes will be in the group...could be just a few up to a few dozen. Most rides seem to be between 9 and 20 lately. There will probably be at least one or two with loud pipes though. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 16:25:04 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:24:44 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles CC: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Makes you wonder... Julian Halton wrote: > They have always been great to me so can only recommend their service > department. I have not tried to buy a bike there yet. 1999, me at Colemans: "Yes, I'd like to look at the new Ducati 900SS, but I don't see one on the floor." Salesman: "Oh, yea, we got some of those in crates I think." Me, after pausing for him to say/do something else: "ooookaaay. Any idea when they're going to be leaving those crates and making an appearance?" Salesman: "Hmm, not really. Maybe this week sometime." Me, again, after waiting for something ... like an offer to have one uncrated: "Okey Doke ... I guess I'll be going to buy one somewhere else then." I called Batley Cycles, drove there, and bought one. ::shrug:: - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 16:38:28 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New here! To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > Maybe we'll see each other...the MC-HOGs have a ride > planned > > to go out to Luray on Saturday. > > Hope so... Looks like my pal is considering backing out > though. So, if > you see a blue FZ1 with lots of blue bags and gear with a > red helmet all > on his lonesome, that'd be me. Enjoy! what's in the bags? odd that they'd make a day trip with you.... even odder that you'd include them in your signature line. i sense a bag fetish. > --smthng > > '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech > Sport saddle and > seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's > Jet Kit, Cox > Racing sliders, AIS removed __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 16:38:54 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Reality Check Part II To: "Daniel H. Brown" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > Yeah, and if they don't have it, they might be willing to steal it off a > customer > > bike and sell it to you (like the brake reservoir, lever, etc. they stole off > my VF500F). > > So, whats the rest of the story? Did they replace it? No, nada, nothing. No response to two letters. I may sue them yet. This was a really excellent condition bike -- 4K original miles -- that they had for many months while supposedly looking for a replacement head. When they finally decided they couldn't locate one, they called, had me pay them for the work they had done getting it running at all(~$450), then dropped the bike off in my driveway rusted, full of dirt and leaves, and missing the entire right bar cluster. I have no idea how those people have earned a decent reputation -- they certainly didn't deserve it in my case. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 17:13:11 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: HOT lanes Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:13:16 -0400 > The article doesn't specifically > mention motorcycles, but can I assume that since it's meant > for HOV (and those with more money than time) that we can > ride in it? If so, though I'm not really for the idea of > HOT, I'd ride in them for free... HOT lanes are essentially HOV lanes that single passenger automobiles can ride by paying a (fairly stiff, usually) fee. They are gated using "Smart Tag" type technology to keep people from merely drifting over into them to avoid the tolls. Vehicles presently authorized to use HOV lanes can use HOT lanes free. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 17:43:09 2004 Subject: RE: New here! Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:43:01 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > what's in the bags? A jack, rachet and socket kit, carb sync tools, etc. Hehe, just kidding. Rain gear and alternate shoes takes up one saddlebag, food, drinks, rags for wiping faceshield (glasses, exhaust pipe, whatever), cell phone, watch, maps, and other miscellaneous crap. > odd that they'd make a day trip with > you.... even odder that you'd include them in your signature > line. i sense a bag fetish. Er... I won't admit to that in anyway other than to say "bags are cool". Just wait till I figure out how to permanently attach a tent, stove and fridge! :P --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 17:59:35 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOT lanes Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:59:39 -0400 UGH Post makes you register. You can paste the link into google and then click on the article. You get the google referer and then you don't have to register. I dunno if anyone here has ever played SimCity but no matter what you do once your city gets so big traffic always beomces a problem and building more roads never solves it. :) Maybe not a scientific analysis but it's how I feel about the situation. A lot of people make a lot of money in the DC area (I judge by the countless luxury cars and trucks) and those HOT lanes are just gonna fill up because a toll isn't going to be enough of a deterent. I mean look at the Toll road, that fills up and it's all tolls, unless the toll is gonna be rediculously high it's not gonna do anything. Regards, Rob "About to commute home and not looking forward to it" Sharp On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:44:05 -0400, Erick Singley wrote > OK, I'll admit I could do more research but here's a quick question. > I understand they'll be putting HOT lanes on some sections of the > beltway, Rt 270 and Rt 95 at some point. (six years for the beltway > one) > (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36655-2004Aug26.html) > It looks like the lane would be Jersey Walled off. > > Now, as Abe on the 'Simpsons' said about social security- "I didn't > ask for it, I don't want it, but if they miss a payment I'll raise > hell!" The article doesn't specifically mention motorcycles, but > can I assume that since it's meant for HOV (and those with more > money than time) that we can ride in it? If so, though I'm not > really for the idea of HOT, I'd ride in them for free... > > Erick > 74' CB-750 -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 19:07:30 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:07:22 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Driver training My first car was an early '68 (swingaxle instead of IRS). I ended up putting disc brakes on it (from the Ghia), KYB gas shocks, steel braided brake lines, and spiffy wheels with better rubber. I then put in a dual-port 1600 engine from a '74 Super Beetle. All around, that was the "funnest" car I've ever driven. The thing handled like a go-cart, and was a little bit faster - chicks dug it too. On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:13:19 -0500, David Blumgart wrote: > Mike wrote: > > >> ...the ['67] Bug was my first car. You could drive > >> it like you were on a track, reving engine, popping > >> clutches, fishtailing on turns with a punch of the > >> gas pedal (if the road was wet anyway ;-) and never > >> exceed the speed limit. It was also hard to get > >> "behind" a car that had a 0-60 time measured > >> with a sundial. Basically an oversized go-kart with a roof. > > A '67? You had the high-performance upgrade with the 1500cc engine, and, I think, 50 (Count 'em! 50!) horsepower. I learned on a '63 which still had the 1200 engine. -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 19:22:52 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Driver training Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:21:40 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7917c54580462538d74dcd79faacd105b7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c SJ: > My first car was an early '68 ...- chicks dug it too. [Dave] Nah... They probably just felt sorry for you ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 20:04:24 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FS: '98 Honda SuperHawk - VTR1000F Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:04:50 -0400 Sorry for the FS post.... For Sale '98 Honda SuperHawk - VTR1000F $3,700 more info on CraigList; http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/41320196.html Somebody mentioned on the list before, thinking about buying a SuperHawk.... Shigeru Honda @ Alexandria, VA 301-602-9431 (M) 703-535-8625 (H) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 20:10:39 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: , , "DC Cycles" Subject: Duc Dealer awards Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:10:31 -0400 I was excited to see that Munroe Motors won!! I know a few people associated with that dealership who have kindly offered use of a bike for a day or two if I am ever in town and I plan on taking them up on it sometime! I guess they don't know how much damage I can inflict on a motorcycle in one day!! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR600, track only. Subject: RE: Makes you wonder... Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:10:52 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , They have always been great to me so can only recommend their service department. I have not tried to buy a bike there yet. -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Makes you wonder... The "C" place won "Best New Dealership" from Ducati North America. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Sep/040902b.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 20:29:04 2004 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: FS '99 Lexus RX300 was Re: FS: '98 Honda SuperHawk - VTR1000F To: DC-Cycles moto sales are perfectly appropriate for this list. cage sales, such as the following, are not. '99 Lexus RX300, 4WD, 80k trouble-free miles (to be expected), burgandy, loaded, excellent condition, $17000. 301 675-3980. for those of you who time and again refer to "SWMBO," this just might get you some action. --- Shigeru Honda wrote: > Sorry for the FS post.... > > For Sale '98 Honda SuperHawk - VTR1000F $3,700 > more info on CraigList; > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/41320196.html > > Somebody mentioned on the list before, thinking about > buying a SuperHawk.... > > Shigeru Honda @ Alexandria, VA > 301-602-9431 (M) > 703-535-8625 (H) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 21:00:40 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Smiles at DC Inspection Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:00:18 -0400 At my DC inspection this morning, nice news from one of the uniformed - . MC inspections are now good for TWO YEARS, starting a couple of months ago: My new sticker is dated 2006. . The latest due date for the Northeast station reopening is Jan-Feb. And other notes: The whole process at Half Street took about 20m (midmorning near the first of the month). The routine followed precedent - lights, horn, rev it (smoke?/sound?), bounce the front end (shock?/brake?), and with glances at the tires and notation of the mileage. No emissions test. A final smile was brought on by the final pprwk that showed "Notice of Passed Bus Inspection" and a detailed brake inspection printout (those people are fast - I noticed no braking measurements being taken at all). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Finally. Two years. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 22:09:44 2004 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:07:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: HOT lanes At 05:59 PM 9/2/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: >I dunno if anyone here has ever played SimCity but no matter what you do once >your city gets so big traffic always beomces a problem and building more roads >never solves it. :) Maybe not a scientific analysis but it's how I feel >about the situation. I agree. The solution isn't more roads with or without HOV lanes. It isn't mass transit either...except for getting from one place in a city to another place in the city. The solution is to decentralize so that everyone isn't trying to get to/from the same place twice a day, all at once. Makes you less of an attractive target for hostile parties too, whether nation-states or terrorist groups. If the government would just put their offices all around the country, rather than bunching them all up in the district, we'd save money (lower rents elsewhere), decrease vulnerability, and let more congresscritters brag about bringing home more pork by moving jobs into their districts. We could still keep the District as the official home of the President and Congress and the Supremes, but move out everyone else. Most workers don't need access to those places anyway, and much of what is needed can be done with telemeetings from anywhere. It's not horse-and-buggy time anymore...this is the 21st Century. In short, like Moe used to say: "Spread out!" -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 2 22:17:04 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: HOT lanes Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:05:00 -0400 I think I heard HOV will be 3 not 2. Aren't they kicking hybrids out of HOV lanes? >From: "Michael Jordan" >To: >Subject: RE: HOT lanes >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:13:16 -0400 > > > The article doesn't specifically > > mention motorcycles, but can I assume that since it's meant > > for HOV (and those with more money than time) that we can > > ride in it? If so, though I'm not really for the idea of > > HOT, I'd ride in them for free... > >HOT lanes are essentially HOV lanes that single passenger automobiles can >ride by paying a (fairly stiff, usually) fee. They are gated using "Smart >Tag" type technology to keep people from merely drifting over into them to >avoid the tolls. > >Vehicles presently authorized to use HOV lanes can use HOT lanes free. > >Michael J. > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 08:19:20 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HOT lanes Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:19:10 -0400 Did I hear the toll road is going to $1 at the plaza? And when do they officially team up w/ EZ Pass? >From: "Rob Sharp" >To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: HOT lanes >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:59:39 -0400 >I dunno if anyone here has ever played SimCity but no matter what you do >once >your city gets so big traffic always beomces a problem and building more >roads >never solves it. :) Maybe not a scientific analysis but it's how I feel >about the situation. A lot of people make a lot of money in the DC area (I >judge by the countless luxury cars and trucks) and those HOT lanes are just >gonna fill up because a toll isn't going to be enough of a deterent. I >mean >look at the Toll road, that fills up and it's all tolls, unless the toll is >gonna be rediculously high it's not gonna do anything. _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 08:38:25 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:38:19 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: "W.S." Subject: Re: Smiles at DC Inspection Cc: DC-Cycles Interesting -- I wrote a 3-page letter about DC motorcycle inspections to the new DMV commissioner eight months or so ago about the one year m/c inspection issue. Never heard anything back, but maybe the letter helped lead to this? Who knows . . . anyway, glad it's two years now. (I was avoiding getting mine reinspected until my two year registration ran out in protest.) Aaron On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:00:18 -0400, W.S. wrote: > At my DC inspection this morning, nice news from one of the uniformed - > > . MC inspections are now good for TWO YEARS, starting a couple of months > ago: My new sticker is dated 2006. > > . The latest due date for the Northeast station reopening is Jan-Feb. > > And other notes: The whole process at Half Street took about 20m > (midmorning near the first of the month). The routine followed precedent - > lights, horn, rev it (smoke?/sound?), bounce the front end (shock?/brake?), > and with glances at the tires and notation of the mileage. No emissions > test. A final smile was brought on by the final pprwk that showed "Notice > of Passed Bus Inspection" and a detailed brake inspection printout (those > people are fast - I noticed no braking measurements being taken at all). > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > '99 VN750 > Finally. Two years. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 08:38:52 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:38:47 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: HOT lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MB >I agree. The solution isn't more roads with or without HOV >lanes. It isn't mass transit either...except for getting >from one place in a city to another place in the city. The >solution is to decentralize so that everyone isn't trying to >get to/from the same place twice a day, all at >once. Makes you less of an attractive target for hostile >parties too, whether nation-states or terrorist groups. [Dave] That's all well and good until they decide to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a problem of the first order of magnitude. You're correct, a decentralization would make for a 'harder' target, but it's not like there aren't satellite gov't. agency offices around the US... I think we get hung up on all this BS about traffic around here. DC is the seat of Government, and we all live around here knowing it. It's not like we're not free to move to another area with less traffic. HOV lanes are an environmentally unsound, taxpayer funded boondoggle. HOT lanes will be too. Next time there's 20 thousand of your closest friends with you on 66, and a few dozen cars whiz by you in those precious HOV lanes, just think how many pollutants are being dumped into the atmosphere as everyone sits there... > >If the government would just put their offices all around >the country, rather than bunching them all up in the >district, we'd save money (lower rents elsewhere), decrease >vulnerability, and let more congresscritters brag about >bringing home more pork by moving jobs into their >districts. We could still keep the District as the official >home of the President and Congress and the Supremes, but >move out everyone else. Most workers don't need access to >those places anyway, and much of what is needed can be done >with telemeetings from anywhere. It's not horse-and-buggy >time anymore...this is the 21st Century. > >In short, like Moe used to say: "Spread out!" [Dave] Why infect the rest of the US with this vermin? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 09:21:08 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:21:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Aaron Maurer , "W.S." Subject: Re: Smiles at DC Inspection Cc: DC-Cycles -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer Sent: Sep 3, 2004 8:38 AM To: "W.S." Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Smiles at DC Inspection Interesting -- I wrote a 3-page letter about DC motorcycle inspections to the new DMV commissioner eight months or so ago about the one year m/c inspection issue. Never heard anything back, but maybe the letter helped lead to this? ... Aaron On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:00:18 -0400, W.S. wrote: > At my DC inspection this morning, nice news from one of the uniformed - > > . MC inspections are now good for TWO YEARS, starting a couple of months > ago: My new sticker is dated 2006. > I sent DMV a whole litany of moto-centric complaints too. Hey, they wanted public comment; I complied. Never heard back, but maybe someone is listening. Maybe one of these days they'll figure out how to issue the little tag stickers for mail-in and web renewals. Right now the only way to get 'em is in person. To Bill S. - are you sure the two-year sticker is an official policy and not a mistake? :) They ought to do away completely with those useless inspections, but two years is a start, and it brings parity with cages. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 09:38:49 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:38:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [Dave] That's all well and good until they decide to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a problem of the first order of magnitude. You're correct, a decentralization would make for a 'harder' target, but it's not like there aren't satellite gov't. agency offices around the US... I think we get hung up on all this BS about traffic around here. DC is the seat of Government, and we all live around here knowing it. It's not like we're not free to move to another area with less traffic. ..... Uh, they are already "spread out." Off the top of my head, the biggies with thousands of employees outside the District: PTO in Alex, NIH, the Pentagon, FDA, CIA, FHWA, Census Bureau, etc., etc. Add that to all the Beltway Bandit contractors and that's why there's so much traffic congestion in 'burb-to-'burb commutes. And the octogenarian Sen. Bring-Home-the-Bacon Byrd has been merrily moving agency after agency to West Va.. and it's not even made a dent. I was in Parkersburg this summer and GSA is putting up a brand new building to house Bureau of the Public Debt. The FBI's fingerprint collection is in Clarksburg. At least when an agency is in DC proper there's a prayer that some of the workers will ride public transportation. Slim chance in a lot of these far-flung locales. A lot of offices are sprinkled around the country. All our IRS paperwork (or e-filings) go to Philadelphia. We're dealing with an immigration matter and the paperwork for that goes to St. Albans, Vermont. FCC has a big office in Pa. somewhere. Paul Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:07:21 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:06:56 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? Paul Wilson wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates > > SJ baits us with: > > >Stupid cager, perhaps? > > > >http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp? > insert=10419 > > [Dave] I would be SHOCKED if these allegations were true. > SHOCKED I tell you. > > A poorly skilled SUV pilot. Nary a chance of that happening. > Dave Yates > > ------ > > Hmmm, just like we teach in the MSF: most crashes are caused by a combo of factors. The Exploder pilot was 16 years old too. We need graduated licensing for cagers. Everyone should learn to drive on a 1973 Pinto, like I did. No need to augment that youthful feeling of invincibility. The Pinto certainly fit the bill on that score. Instead of having everyone driving around in Pinto-bombs, all cars should have a 12" steel spike in the center of the steering wheel, as opposed to an airbag. Not only would it encourage seatbelt use in the strongest possible way, it would engender a feeling of compliance with "defensive driving" strategies. --skip, breaking out the welder, in case they need help installing the spikes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:18:50 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:18:45 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Instead of having everyone driving around in Pinto-bombs, >all cars should have a 12" steel spike in the center of the >steering wheel, as opposed to an airbag. ... >--skip, breaking out the welder, in case they need help >installing the spikes. [Dave] Scratch that. Require that all vehicles be equipped with rear mounte Pikes... Think porcupine. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:23:14 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:22:54 -0400 Subject: Dremel tips & tricks? I need to sync my carbs, badly, but I have 4 vacuum bolts that have fused to my bike's carb assembly (aluminum to steel, methinks). I have stripped the boltheads trying to get them off. I plan to "dremel" a slot into the boltheads & try to get a flat head screwdriver in there to turn them out (with liquid wrench and some tapping and maybe some heat). Any advice for *how* to cut the right slots in these boltheads (size, dremel tool head, technique, depth of cut, etc.)? Thanks all. -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "Stuck like a tongue to a frozen flagpole" Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:40:24 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conlin Subject: '01 SV650S gotta go - needs some love To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm picking up my V-Strom on Monday, and am in the middle of moving. Sadly, the SV's just gotta go. Red '01 S, 38k Had a minor lowside a few months ago, then more recently a local thug tried a MacGyver-style hotwire job, but I wound up finding the bike about 1/2 mile away without much damage. Plenty of sport-touring miles on her, impeccably cared for to 30k... a little less so recently. Givi shield, Racetech springs, emulators, Sargent seat, Scorpion CF slipon, Givi topcase rack, new MEZ6 rear. Asking $2700 for everything... though I don't mind stripping off any aftermarket stuff not wanted (no requests for parts, please) Would make a great city bike or a good candidate for a track bike. Needs ignition wires repaired/replaced, some fasteners, brake pedal. Otherwise its just minor surface scuffs. Could use a new chain, about due for valve inspection. Can take pix this weekend, and would be happy to show. Because I don't have the time to fix, I can not deliver. In Greenbelt, would like to have it sold within 2 weeks. 410-419-4476 or email me here. Thanks- -- Jeff Conlin Greenbelt, MD __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:48:32 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:47:03 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: HOT lanes At 08:38 AM 9/3/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >MB >[Dave] That's all well and good until they decide >to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. >Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a >problem of the first order of magnitude. Why is that? I'm not talking exclusively about the government BTW. What I said about not clumping together goes for businesses too. Any time you put too many of them in a small area you get traffic problems. And parking problems. Our zoning laws tend to cause traffic by forcing businesses and the residences of those who work in them to be in very different locations. Look at the way it is in Europe, which was mostly designed when people got around on their feet. Cities have living and working areas in close proximity, and the areas outside the cities are built up of many small towns that are organized the same way. You only find that in New England in the USA...the farthest south I've seen that arrangement is in western New Jersey. >It's not like we're not free to move to >another area with less traffic. If I wanted to change careers, sure. Software jobs aren't available just anywhere. >>In short, like Moe used to say: "Spread out!" > >[Dave] Why infect the rest of the US with this vermin? So that the vermin gets a better idea of what the country actually thinks? To dilute the feedback effect that lets them get such a distorted worldview? So that everyone has to suffer equally? Since the moto content of this thread seems to have dropped to zero, I'm leaving it here... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 10:59:58 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:59:48 -0400 To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Dremel tips & tricks? At 10:22 AM 9/3/04 -0400, Sean Steele wrote: >I need to sync my carbs, badly, but I have 4 vacuum bolts that have >fused to my bike's carb assembly (aluminum to steel, methinks). I have >stripped the boltheads trying to get them off. I plan to "dremel" a slot >into the boltheads & try to get a flat head screwdriver in there to turn >them out (with liquid wrench and some tapping and maybe some heat). > >Any advice for *how* to cut the right slots in these boltheads (size, >dremel tool head, technique, depth of cut, etc.)? If you rounded the heads trying to get them loose, what makes you think that a regular screwdriver will have better luck? It's more likely that the heads will break...if the screwdriver doesn't "cam out" of the slot first. I'd use one of those "grabit" things Sears sells, or an "easy out" maybe, before I'd count on the cut-a-slot idea. Sounds like you are dealing with corrosion locking the two together, and drilling it out and retapping may be the solution...if that's possible in that location. Next time make sure there's anti-seize in there. That said, the best bit for slot cutting with a Dremmel is a fibreglass-reinforced abrasive cutoff disk. The abrasive disks sold in little bottles of 25 might work eventually, but you'll go through a whole case of them first...the slightest twisting motion in the cut and they will shatter instantly...even if they stay together, they wear down very fast, and they don't cut a very wide slot anyway. Wear safety glasses...preferably under a full face shield. Hold the Dremmel in both hands, brace your arms best you can, and cut slowly. An aggressive cut that isn't supported well will jump around a fair bit and not result in a clean slot. Good luck! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:00:02 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:50:53 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More bad press revisited - not as bad as we thought? At 10:18 AM 9/3/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >>all cars should have a 12" steel spike in the center of the >>steering wheel, as opposed to an airbag. >... >>--skip, breaking out the welder, in case they need help >>installing the spikes. > >[Dave] Scratch that. Require that all vehicles be equipped >with rear mounte Pikes... Think porcupine. Gallagher had a picture of a semi designed to limit tailgating by big trucks in his act once. The driver was mounted on the front bumper... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:00:59 2004 From: To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Dremel tips & tricks? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:00:49 -0400 > Any advice for *how* to cut the right slots in these boltheads (size, > dremel tool head, technique, depth of cut, etc.)? Use the thin cut-off wheels (reddish brown in color). They're brittle, so be sure to use good wrap-around eye protection. Cut slot to fit the screwdriver that you're going to use. Light pressure - let the tool's speed do the job. Enjoy the sparks. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:05:53 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:05:48 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: HOT lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a >>problem of the first order of magnitude. > >Why is that? I'm not talking exclusively about the >government BTW. What I said about not clumping together >goes for businesses too. Any time you put too many of them >in a small area you get traffic problems. And parking >problems. [Dave] Because when the problem is transferred into "your back yard", your 'refuge' from the problem is gone. Traffic in this area is so bad already, when you talk about relocating some of the "in town" business to the 'burbs moreso than it already is, you're actually talking about making it worse. Think of areas like Springfield, Rockvile, Waldorf (301 corridor), Rt1 from Alexandria to Woodbridge. These areas are already "built up" and there is, for practical purposes no place to put new businesses except on TOP of existing ones. They're stuffed with cages... My clutch hand is aching just _thinking_ about riding through these areas. Our zoning laws tend to cause traffic [Dave] In Virginia counties except Fairfax, you can find bumper stickers that say "Don't Fairfax " > Look at the way it is in Europe, which was mostly designed >when people got around on their feet. Cities have living >and working areas in close proximity, and the areas outside >the cities are built up of many small towns that are >organized the same way. You only find that in New England >in the USA...the farthest south I've seen that arrangement >is in western New Jersey. [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those cities is exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding budget. Not to mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and my motorcycle is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some pissant piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to redistribute my wealth... > >>It's not like we're not free to move to >>another area with less traffic. > >If I wanted to change careers, sure. Software jobs aren't >available just anywhere. [Dave] Hotjobs.com. Sometimes, a good ride to a job makes it worthwhile in and of itself... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:11:37 2004 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:16:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Dremel tips & tricks? To: "Sean Steele" Cc: "DC Cycles" From: "garcia oliver" "Sean Steele" writes: >I need to sync my carbs, badly, but I have 4 vacuum bolts that have >fused to my bike's carb assembly (aluminum to steel, methinks). I have >stripped the boltheads trying to get them off. I plan to "dremel" a slot >into the boltheads & try to get a flat head screwdriver in there to turn >them out If there's room to use them, you might try 5" vice grips or impact driver first. > (with liquid wrench and some tapping and maybe some heat). Careful with the heat near gasoline. --garcia "Four More Years?" [ http://www.mystudios.com/treasure/munch/munch-scream.jpg ]http://www.mystudios.com/treasure/munch/munch-scream.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 11:43:58 2004 Subject: RE: Dremel tips & tricks? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:43:51 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Mike Bartman" , "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" > That said, the best bit for slot cutting with a Dremmel is a > fibreglass-reinforced abrasive cutoff disk. The abrasive > disks sold in little bottles of 25 might work eventually, but > you'll go through a whole case of them first... I'd recommend the 426 wheel. It's the smaller of the two fiberglass wheels. Seems to be a bit stronger and courser than the larger (456) one. They will shatter, but they're pretty cheap. I'd expect to get a really good slot without burning up more than three of them or so. http://www.dremel.com/productdisplay/display.asp?sku=426&color=cc0000 Also, try not to cut the slot too deep. It's easy to think that you need a nice deep slot so that you can get a flat head down in there really good, but if you end up cutting too deep, the head will simply break off as soon as you put any real pressure on it. Run the Dremel at it's highest speed, use goggles (even better, full shield - those wheels hurt when they shatter), don't run it for more than 30 seconds or so (gotta let the wheel cool every once-in-a-while) and keep the slot as clean as possible and only wide enough for the biggest flathead screwdriver you can use on a bold that size. Also remember that carbs have gas in them... Be careful of heat and sparks at all times! Personally, I'd try a really good pair of vice grips or something first. I hate cutting bolt heads, because if you hose that up, you're generally out of options and are then looking at drilling and tapping. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 16:32:53 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: scammers are after sellers too... (was: FS -SuperHawk VTR) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:32:33 -0400 I got this lousy email below after posting a for sale ad on CraigsList. I guess scammers are after sellers too not just funky ads. BTW, '98 SuperHawk for sale, $3700! http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/41320196.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- From: "smith rufus" Subject: 1998 Honda Super Hawk VTR1000F Red SuperHawk - $3700 i saw your advert on web and i am interested in buying your item i am ready to pay you $3900. i am based in western africa get back to me if my offer is ok by you. Like i said earlier i am based in the Western africa.there won't be any probs about the shipment, after payment, the pick up will be made at your place. i have made arrangements with the prepaid shipping company. As regards payment, this is what i am going to do; I have a client in the US who is owing me US8,500 i would instruct him to make out a certified check to you in that amount and as soon as it clears your bank. you can now deduct your money from it nd send me my balance, i will using use part of the money to pay for the shipping and other expenses. you will then send my balance by via western union money transfer. Although the value of the check is more than the asking price but i think i should be able to trust you with my balance. The reason why i am doing this is that it would take a check sent from over here in Nigeria 21days to clear over there, whereas a check sent from the! US would clear tops within 48hrs. So i would like you to deduct the western union charges from my balance. So if my terms are acceptable to you, i would like you to give me your full name, address and phone number so that i can instruct my client to make out the check to you. Pls get back to me as soon as you get this mail so that we can around things up in a timely fashion. will be trusting in this business transaction. get back to me. Thanks Rufus Smith. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) 91 CR80 (new toy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 16:59:57 2004 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:59:50 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Shigeru Honda Subject: Re: scammers are after sellers too... (was: FS -SuperHawk VTR) Cc: dc-cycles Reminds of this scam on the scammer . . . great read: http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm Also, I believe that Mark strung someone along for a while too. Unfortunately, the scam must work often enough to make it worthwhile . . . On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:32:33 -0400, Shigeru Honda wrote: > I got this lousy email below after posting a for sale ad on CraigsList. I > guess scammers are after sellers too not just funky ads. > > BTW, '98 SuperHawk for sale, $3700! > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/41320196.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > From: "smith rufus" > Subject: 1998 Honda Super Hawk VTR1000F Red SuperHawk - $3700 > > i saw your advert on web and i am interested in buying your item i am ready > to pay you $3900. i am based in western africa get back to me if my offer is > ok by you. Like i said earlier i am based in the Western africa.there won't > be any probs about the shipment, after payment, the pick up will be made at > your place. i have made arrangements with the prepaid shipping company. > As regards payment, this is what i am going to do; I have a client in the US > who is owing me US8,500 i would instruct him to make out a certified check > to you in that amount and as soon as it clears your bank. you can now deduct > your money from it nd send me my balance, i will using use part of the money > to pay for the shipping and other expenses. you will then send my balance by > via western union money transfer. Although the value of the check is more > than the asking price but i think i should be able to trust you with my > balance. The reason why i am doing this is that it would take a check sent > from over here in Nigeria 21days to clear over there, whereas a check sent > from the! US would clear tops within 48hrs. So i would like you to deduct > the western union charges from my balance. So if my terms are acceptable to > you, i would like you to give me your full name, address and phone number so > that i can instruct my client to make out the check to you. > Pls get back to me as soon as you get this mail so that we can around things > up in a timely fashion. will be trusting in this business transaction. get > back to me. > > Thanks > Rufus Smith. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) > 91 CR80 (new toy) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 3 20:18:59 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 20:16:21 -0400 To: "DC Bike List" From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: scammers are after sellers too... X-Spam-Level: >From: "Shigeru Honda" > >I got this lousy email below after posting a for sale ad on CraigsList. I >guess scammers are after sellers too not just funky ads. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: "smith rufus" > >i saw your advert on web and i am interested in buying your item i am ready >to pay you $3900. i am based in western africa get back to me if my offer is >ok by you. Like i said earlier i am based in the Western africa.there won't >be any probs about the shipment, after payment, the pick up will be made at >your place. i have made arrangements with the prepaid shipping company. >As regards payment, this is what i am going to do; I have a client in the US >who is owing me US8,500 i would instruct him to make out a certified check >to you in that amount and as soon as it clears your bank. Tell him he can improve his English here: http://www.universityofnigeria.com/ Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 4 10:42:26 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:42:16 -0400 I'm guessing it's Gov employees I see driving solo on 66 in their big gas guzzling American cars, that probably get free parking. No need for them to take public transit. >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:38:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Yates > >[Dave] That's all well and good until they decide >to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. >Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a >problem of the first order of magnitude. You're correct, a >decentralization would make for a 'harder' target, but it's >not like there aren't satellite gov't. agency offices around >the US... > >I think we get hung up on all this BS about traffic around >here. DC is the seat of Government, and we all live around >here knowing it. It's not like we're not free to move to >another area with less traffic. > >..... > >Uh, they are already "spread out." Off the top of my head, the biggies >with thousands of employees outside the District: PTO in Alex, NIH, the >Pentagon, FDA, CIA, FHWA, Census Bureau, etc., etc. Add that to all the >Beltway Bandit contractors and that's why there's so much traffic >congestion in 'burb-to-'burb commutes. And the octogenarian Sen. >Bring-Home-the-Bacon Byrd has been merrily moving agency after agency to >West Va.. and it's not even made a dent. I was in Parkersburg this summer >and GSA is putting up a brand new building to house Bureau of the Public >Debt. The FBI's fingerprint collection is in Clarksburg. At least when an >agency is in DC proper there's a prayer that some of the workers will ride >public transportation. Slim chance in a lot of these far-flung locales. > >A lot of offices are sprinkled around the country. All our IRS paperwork >(or e-filings) go to Philadelphia. We're dealing with an immigration >matter and the paperwork for that goes to St. Albans, Vermont. FCC has a >big office in Pa. somewhere. > >Paul > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 5 16:32:31 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: The Exchange Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:32:22 -0400 Neat place to be on a Sunday morning. From 08:00 to 10ish. The Exchange at the corner of Zulla Road and Rt 55 in Fauquier County (between The Plains and Marshall) The focus is Euro bikes, but not limited to them. Tire kicking, BSing and breakfast in the restaurant (all 22 seats). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 6 18:53:57 2004 From: "W.S." To: "'Paul Wilson'" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Smiles at DC Inspection Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:53:30 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] W.S. wrote: . . .snip > . MC inspections are now good for TWO YEARS, starting a couple of months > ago: My new sticker is dated 2006. . . .snip To Bill S. - are you sure the two-year sticker is an official policy and not a mistake? :) They ought to do away completely with those useless inspections, but two years is a start, and it brings parity with cages. ************* Well, if my 2006 sticker is not enough proof, have at some phone calls to the DMV. Let us know. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Private bike. Don't like being inspected. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 08:41:16 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:41:02 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/03/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/3/2004 7:00:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX writes: > all cars > should have a 12" steel spike in the center of the steering wheel, as > opposed to an airbag. How about putting it _on_ the airbag? Drive the sucker home with an explosive charge! Or just remove the fabric of the bag itself so there is just a bomb on the steering column. Lots of ideas for thinning the herd. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 09:51:34 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:52:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: RE: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Cynical, but maybe true for DC - I don't know how they work. :) Federal workers, at least, can get a public transport stipend for metro bus, subway, and (MARC train I think) The Transhare gives quite a monthly chunk of free (to the worker) money - (though it doesn't make sense in my situation). At NIH there is a parking ratio of .45 space/employee and the situation gets 'worse' the farther into the city you go for federal facilities- so there's a fair incentive for getting federal employees off the road. Erick - "not speaking for my employer" 74' CB-750 "rich hall" commented: >I'm guessing it's Gov employees I see driving solo on 66 in their >big gas guzzling American cars, that probably get free parking. No >need for them to take public transit. > >>From: Paul Wilson >>Reply-To: Paul Wilson >>To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes >>Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:38:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dave Yates >> >>[Dave] That's all well and good until they decide >>to "decentralize" into you neighborhood, or the one adjacent. >>Then it goes from be a 'casual bitching about traffic' to a >>problem of the first order of magnitude. You're correct, a >>decentralization would make for a 'harder' target, but it's >>not like there aren't satellite gov't. agency offices around >>the US... >> >>I think we get hung up on all this BS about traffic around >>here. DC is the seat of Government, and we all live around >>here knowing it. It's not like we're not free to move to >>another area with less traffic. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 10:15:07 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:14:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "W.S." Subject: RE: Smiles at DC Inspection Cc: DC-Cycles -----Original Message----- From: "W.S." To Bill S. - are you sure the two-year sticker is an official policy and not a mistake? :) They ought to do away completely with those useless inspections, but two years is a start, and it brings parity with cages. ************* Well, if my 2006 sticker is not enough proof, have at some phone calls to the DMV. Let us know. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Private bike. Don't like being inspected. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ----- That bit about phone calls was a joke, right? ;-) The Mighty Viffer's inspection is due on 9/27/04, so I'll get to see first hand. Must remember to remove my naughty driving lights. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 11:11:32 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:11:12 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Dave Yates Subject: OT: Moto redistribution? (Was: Re: HOT lanes) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just out of idle curiousity, exactly which European countries have ever redistributed the ownnership of motorcycles? Present day examples would be preferred, as war tends to circumvent both law and the will of the people. Robert > [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those cities is > exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding budget. Not to > mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and my motorcycle > is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some pissant > piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to redistribute my > wealth... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 11:31:48 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:31:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT: Moto redistribution? (Was: Re: HOT lanes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Just out of idle curiousity, exactly which European >countries have ever redistributed the ownnership of >motorcycles? > >Present day examples would be preferred, as war tends to >circumvent both law and the will of the people. > >Robert [Dave] I thought about clarifying this when I sent it. I meant the comment to indicate that I stand a higher chance of retaining my bike from bike thieves, who arbitrarily "redistribute" my wealth to them. No, I wasn't trying to get Kitchell started ;-) Dave >> [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those cities is >> exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding budget. Not to >> mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and my motorcycle >> is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some pissant >> piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to redistribute my >> wealth... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 11:42:52 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT: Moto redistribution? (Was: Re: HOT lanes) To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Leave me out of this. I am too bust applying for citizenship elsewhere in anticipation of Nov. 2nd (-: --- Dave Yates wrote: > >Just out of idle curiousity, exactly which European > > >countries have ever redistributed the ownnership of > > >motorcycles? > > > >Present day examples would be preferred, as war > tends to > >circumvent both law and the will of the people. > > > >Robert > > [Dave] I thought about clarifying this when I sent > it. I > meant the comment to indicate that I stand a higher > chance of > retaining my bike from bike thieves, who > arbitrarily "redistribute" my wealth to them. > > No, I wasn't trying to get Kitchell started ;-) > > Dave > > >> [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those > cities is > >> exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding > budget. Not > to > >> mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and > my > motorcycle > >> is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some > pissant > >> piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to > redistribute > my > >> wealth... > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 11:50:32 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:49:28 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT: Moto redistribution? (Was: Re: HOT lanes) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Leave me out of this. I am too bust applying for >citizenship elsewhere in anticipation of Nov. 2nd (-: [Dave] Had enough of moto redistribution in DC have you? ;-) I think you can get a non res. visa for the rest of the US pretty easy in DC... Ok... And where are you applying... I'm looking at a couple of So. American dictatorships myself, just in case :-) > > >--- Dave Yates wrote: > >> >Just out of idle curiousity, exactly which European >> >> >countries have ever redistributed the ownnership of >> >> >motorcycles? >> > >> >Present day examples would be preferred, as war >> tends to >> >circumvent both law and the will of the people. >> > >> >Robert >> >> [Dave] I thought about clarifying this when I sent >> it. I >> meant the comment to indicate that I stand a higher >> chance of >> retaining my bike from bike thieves, who >> arbitrarily "redistribute" my wealth to them. >> >> No, I wasn't trying to get Kitchell started ;-) >> >> Dave >> >> >> [Dave] Ah, but the cost of living in those >> cities is >> >> exhorbitant, significantly cutting my riding >> budget. Not >> to >> >> mention my ability go out to my motorcycle, and >> my >> motorcycle >> >> is actually STILL MINE, not in the hands of some >> pissant >> >> piece of crap who has arbitrarily decided to >> redistribute >> my >> >> wealth... >> > >> >> > > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 12:07:32 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:07:12 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes HOT lanes are about revenue. Will you pay $2, $4, $6 whatever (per trip) to get access to the HOV lanes all by yourself? That's all. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 12:21:22 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:21:16 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today I just ran out for a bike inspection in Reston. On my way there a kid in a 5.0 Mustang thinks I want to race him, so he starts driving like a complete jackass. I just hung back and watched him be stupid. On my way back I signal into the turn lane for Taco Bell and a mini van swerves into the turn lane in front of me and jams on his brakes. I was boxed in so I did a brake test and slid within inches of the bad driver. If it had been dry, I might have pulled a cool endo, but the layer of turn lane oil drippings might still have kept me horizontal. Horn, cursing, waving my arms, either he was too embarrassed to make eye contact or never saw/heard me. I blame it on the first day of school in Fairfax. I have to blame it on something. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 12:38:26 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:38:03 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Exactly. And IMHO, it's really annoying. They build new lanes using everyone's tax money, yet why can't everyone use them? If you honestly believe in the HOV thing and that it results in less cars being on the road and that's a good thing ... ok, I can respect that. I don't agree with it (see above), but I can respect it. But now, after having gone from HOV-4 to HOV-3 to HOV-2 in an attempt to get people to use the lanes/rt66, we're now going to let only people with enough disposable income use the lanes we already paid for?? And it's not about the environment ... it's about a cash cow. They know people will pay, and they'll happily take the money. Makes you want to strangle the nearest politician (more so than usual). - Roach Michael Jordan wrote: > HOT lanes are about revenue. > > Will you pay $2, $4, $6 whatever (per trip) to get access to the HOV > lanes all by yourself? > > That's all. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 12:46:31 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes To: Brian Roach , Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes being paid for 100% by private financing? And the private builders use the toll to recoup their investment? --- Brian Roach wrote: > Exactly. And IMHO, it's really annoying. > > They build new lanes using everyone's tax money, yet > why can't everyone > use them? > > If you honestly believe in the HOV thing and that it > results in less > cars being on the road and that's a good thing ... > ok, I can respect > that. I don't agree with it (see above), but I can > respect it. > > But now, after having gone from HOV-4 to HOV-3 to > HOV-2 in an attempt to > get people to use the lanes/rt66, we're now going to > let only people > with enough disposable income use the lanes we > already paid for?? And > it's not about the environment ... it's about a cash > cow. They know > people will pay, and they'll happily take the money. > > Makes you want to strangle the nearest politician > (more so than usual). > > - Roach > > Michael Jordan wrote: > > HOT lanes are about revenue. > > > > Will you pay $2, $4, $6 whatever (per trip) to get > access to the HOV > > lanes all by yourself? > > > > That's all. > > -- > http://www.speedwerks.com > The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! > (302) 672 - 7223 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:07:26 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:07:01 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MK: >Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes being >paid for 100% by private financing? And the private >builders use the toll to recoup their investment? [Dave] On principle, I'm prohibited from actually _agreeing_ with Mark ;-) but I understood the HOT concept did include at least partial private funding of the roadways - I'm uncertain about the percentage. The problem with this that I see is that it's a solution to a problem via static analysis. It may actually be effective _right_now... If it could be implemented in say, 8 months or less ... maybe a year tops. However, once they're constructed, and able to be used, there will be a significant enough increase in traffic that they won't be of any significant help. EVEN if they were opened up to all traffic. HOV is an abject failure here. The next time you're waiting in line for your cage's emission's test, think about those open HOV lanes on 66, 395, 95, 270... Think about the sparse rush hour traffic... mere feet away from bumper to bumper cages dumping megatons of CO into the atmosphere. At least HOT lanes give you the choice of paying. It's a Good 1st step towards eliminating the assinine HOV concept in it's entirety. >--- Brian Roach wrote: > >> Exactly. And IMHO, it's really annoying. >> >> They build new lanes using everyone's tax money, yet >> why can't everyone >> use them? >> >> If you honestly believe in the HOV thing and that it >> results in less >> cars being on the road and that's a good thing ... >> ok, I can respect >> that. I don't agree with it (see above), but I can >> respect it. >> >> But now, after having gone from HOV-4 to HOV-3 to >> HOV-2 in an attempt to >> get people to use the lanes/rt66, we're now going to >> let only people >> with enough disposable income use the lanes we >> already paid for?? And >> it's not about the environment ... it's about a cash >> cow. They know >> people will pay, and they'll happily take the money. >> >> Makes you want to strangle the nearest politician >> (more so than usual). >> >> - Roach >> >> Michael Jordan wrote: >> > HOT lanes are about revenue. >> > >> > Will you pay $2, $4, $6 whatever (per trip) to get >> access to the HOV >> > lanes all by yourself? >> > >> > That's all. >> >> -- >> http://www.speedwerks.com >> The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! >> (302) 672 - 7223 >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:19:09 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Troutman'" , dc Cycles Subject: RE: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:19:00 -0400 You didn't get the memo it's national Idiot driver day. I almost got ran over in my parking garage just a few minutes ago we have a electricians working on the garage lights so only the emergency lights are on so it's rather dark and some Dumass decides to speed around the corner with no lights in a near dark garage as I am walking across. They slam on there brakes and look at me as if I'm wrong. So I wave and oops forgot to put up four of my five fingers (LOL) I guess they just forgot there lights. Geese glade I didn't ride today. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:21 PM To: dc Cycles Subject: Caution : Idiot Drivers Today I just ran out for a bike inspection in Reston. On my way there a kid in a 5.0 Mustang thinks I want to race him, so he starts driving like a complete jackass. I just hung back and watched him be stupid. On my way back I signal into the turn lane for Taco Bell and a mini van swerves into the turn lane in front of me and jams on his brakes. I was boxed in so I did a brake test and slid within inches of the bad driver. If it had been dry, I might have pulled a cool endo, but the layer of turn lane oil drippings might still have kept me horizontal. Horn, cursing, waving my arms, either he was too embarrassed to make eye contact or never saw/heard me. I blame it on the first day of school in Fairfax. I have to blame it on something. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:19:46 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:19:36 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Mark Kitchell wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these lanes being > paid for 100% by private financing? And the private > builders use the toll to recoup their investment? From the articles I've read, they say that the new HOT lanes are built by private companies which provide "most" of the funds. The reason being, of course, is that VA can't possibly afford to build these roads on their own. So, instead of using tax dollars for things people actually need ... like roads, we have the government subsidizing companies to build private "public" roads that they then charge a toll for (and of course kick back a portion of that to the govt). I'm not exactly sure where all our tax dollars go, but why isn't it to roads, police, education, the DMV (remember ... couldn't afford to keep that open all the time either) etc? It seems that services that actually benefit the tax-paying public as a whole are always last in line and first to be cut. Seriously ... if the state can't afford to build and maintain **roads** we have a real problem with the way taxes are being spent. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:23:51 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:23:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates HOV is an abject failure here. The next time you're waiting in line for your cage's emission's test, think about those open HOV lanes on 66, 395, 95, 270... Think about the sparse rush hour traffic... mere feet away from bumper to bumper cages dumping megatons of CO into the atmosphere. At least HOT lanes give you the choice of paying. It's a Good 1st step towards eliminating the assinine HOV concept in it's entirety. .... Seems to me the whole HOV concept is sleight of hand. It's an attempt by transportation-crats to take what used to be called "widening a highway" and give it a green, quasi-transit spin. As DY points out, the law of unintended consequences raised its ugly head and the "green" aspects of HOV have been hobbled by continuing or worsening congestion in the "regular" lanes. Seems those pesky cagers find it still worth it to sit in traffic, instead of buddying up. I imagine convenience and simple "alone time" has a lot to do with it. If I'm the kind of person willing to be yoked to a carpool schedule and packed in with others, I'd prolly just take the bus or train, provided it's available. Still, you can kick my motorcycle out of the HOV lanes when you pry the throttle grip from my cold, dead fingers. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:24:02 2004 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:21:34 -0400 To: Brian Roach , Michael Jordan From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: [Non-moto] Re: HOT lanes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:38 PM 9/7/04 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: >But now, after having gone from HOV-4 to HOV-3 to HOV-2 in an attempt to >get people to use the lanes/rt66, we're now going to let only people >with enough disposable income use the lanes we already paid for?? And >it's not about the environment ... it's about a cash cow. They know >people will pay, and they'll happily take the money. That's no different than it's always been..except now you know how much the "toll" will be in advance, rather than after you get a ticket. ;-) The HOV concept is flawed. It assumes that there are enough people who live close enough to each other, and who all want to go to the same place at the same time, and who all have vehicles that can hold everyone, to make a dent in the traffic on the remaining lanes. This appears not to be the case. It's never been true in my case anyway, or for anyone I've worked with in the last 30 years... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 7 13:26:52 2004 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:26:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Silver,Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , "'Troutma