From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 1 16:44:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g81KiwSi031019; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:44:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g81KitdM031012; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:44:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:44:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Asleep at the bars To: "Bruhl, George LT" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <3D727C35.C437DE4E@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > > I actually fell asleep while riding out in the pan handle of Oklahoma one. > I think I went about 100 yds or so, WOKE UP, pulled over and found a soft > patch of ground for 4 or 5 hours. I wouldn't have believed it possible... > but I would imagine the Iron butts go thru that a lot. We don't fall asleep while riding if that's what you meant. That is pretty much a self-correcting problem...and very bad news. You did the right thing by getting off the road and sleeping right then. That's called the Iron Butt Hotel. Nice rates, but some of the amenities can be a little lacking. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 1 16:52:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g81KqBSi031085; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:52:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g81KqBeH031077; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:52:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020901205150.68689.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 13:51:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: Helmet purchase - best pricing? To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020831065250.R45002-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Give www.helmetharbor.com, a try I've had good experiance with them. Tom de' 98 VTR --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > After months of searching, I think I'm finally ready > to replace my current > helmet :-) Does anyone know where to get the best > price on Arai? Most of > the online places have stopped selling them, so I'm > stuck looking locally. > > I checked Battley, they want $430 for a plain-jane > solid color (!). I'm > going to check out Cycles USA pricing this weekend. > > Any others? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 2 01:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g825RoSi000996; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:27:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g825RmFq000989; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:27:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Helmet purchase - best pricing? Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:30:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c25241$e28f28e0$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020831065250.R45002-100000@magoo.noid.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I've gotten my last two helmets from: http://catalog.kiernanracing.com Never had a problem. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:18 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Helmet purchase - best pricing? After months of searching, I think I'm finally ready to replace my current helmet :-) Does anyone know where to get the best price on Arai? Most of the online places have stopped selling them, so I'm stuck looking locally. I checked Battley, they want $430 for a plain-jane solid color (!). I'm going to check out Cycles USA pricing this weekend. Any others? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 2 10:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g82ES0Si003729; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:28:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g82ERwPb003719; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:27:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.98.146.78] From: "Ken L" To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet purchase - best pricing? Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 10:26:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2002 14:26:51.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[C74FF3C0:01C2528C] Arai no lonnger allows dealers to sell models within a certain age limit on the web. You can however find 1 year old and older models on eBay. I recently bought a 1 year old RX7 from a reputable dealer in Seatlle, WA---$400 including shipping...cherry condition! KML >From: Wayne Edelen >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Helmet purchase - best pricing? >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:17:38 -0700 (PDT) > >After months of searching, I think I'm finally ready to replace my current >helmet :-) Does anyone know where to get the best price on Arai? Most of >the online places have stopped selling them, so I'm stuck looking locally. > >I checked Battley, they want $430 for a plain-jane solid color (!). I'm >going to check out Cycles USA pricing this weekend. > >Any others? > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 2 21:24:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g831OISi006897; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:24:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g831OFWk006890; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:24:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 21:26:15 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "R6 Group Ride Part II" Message-ID: <657C3EE3.06E895C8.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all we are in the process of putting another group ride. The tentative date is Saturday 9/7. The invite is open to everyone. We all had a blast the last time out. So, we are to putting together another ride before it gets too cold. The Route; we plan on riding out to 211 and rt 33. It should be a lot of fun. I know there have been a lot of talk of people buying R6's over the summer and it would be nice to see ya come out. So, let me know who is interested. -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 2 23:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g833FwSi007425; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:15:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g833Fvg6007415; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:15:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <072801c252f8$2244daa0$fb745b0c@dz7wc01> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: Subject: Crossed my path Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:15:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 o For the m'cross inclined, interesting numbers among the fingerwagging -- A Motor Sport Takes Off, Leaving a Trail of Broken Bones http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/02/national/02MOTO.html (requires free signin) o And if she wins, licensed/MSF'd or not there'll be huge expectations for MC support -- Dole urges students to get involved http://www.heraldsun.com/nationworld/elections/16-262156.html Bill S./DC 99 VN750 > Have masqueraded as a Harley Join the AMA. Help support my riding fun From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 06:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83A50Si009591; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 06:05:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83A4x7k009574; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 06:04:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "R6 Group Ride Part II" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 06:02:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <657C3EE3.06E895C8.001912B6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <657C3EE3.06E895C8.001912B6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209030602440W.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Too cold? Oh, you mean like when it's snowing or sleeting. Sorry, no R6. It's Tuesday morning, nice and cool, it's time to get a windshield and backrest. These old bones can't handle no windshield :-) Carl On Monday 02 September 2002 21:26, STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi all we are in the process of putting another group ride. The tentative > date is Saturday 9/7. The invite is open to everyone. We all had a blast > the last time out. So, we are to putting together another ride before it > gets too cold. The Route; we plan on riding out to 211 and rt 33. It > should be a lot of fun. I know there have been a lot of talk of people > buying R6's over the summer and it would be nice to see ya come out. So, > let me know who is interested. > > -Mark -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 08:10:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83CAaSi010294; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:10:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83CAZ39010284; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:10:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'jmstrang@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: HD as Fashion accessories Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:10:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "Distressed" HD's used to be called rats, well any "distressed" bike was called a rat. Triumphs, Norton's, The Big4... and you tended to see more out on the West Coast or the Southwest, as the weather allowed riders to ride year round, or at worst 10 months out of the year. Those bikes weren't really distressed, they were weathered. Some folks like that look. And you could probably guarantee those rat bikes weren't stalked and ripped off too often. It's like beater trucks or junker cars, they run, they're cheap (used to be) and the owners can get their knees in the breeze without all the cosmetic fuss. I believe there are even web sites dedicated to rat bikes. It's a sub-culture. As for HD, couldn't care less, I've been on Triumphs and Beemer's since the mid 70's. I don't ride British anymore, just good old German engineering, the ring of the Ruhr and all of that. As for M/C's in general as fashion accessories -- all makes could come under that caveat, hey I bought my first bike in 72 (a Yamaha 360 enduro) to be "cool", Dad wasn't too impressed when at 16 I came ring-dinging up to the house on that... but I was working at Fennell Brothers Mobile at 7-Corners and making BIG money for a high schooler, there wasn't a whole lot he could say... but he did anyway! Seeing how he and Grand pappy were both HD Dresser riders (Shriners) maybe he laid off of me a little, but only a little. Oh, and anyone who doesn't think the Shriner's precision MC drill teams aren't posers.... but they can ride andthey are unbelievably adept at imbibement too! I've let too much information out of the bag on this one. >Now that you can pay big money for "distressed" Harleys (just like jeans and >furniture)....it's stopped being funny and started being sad. gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 08:54:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83CsuSi010535; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:54:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83Cstav010527; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:54:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <40.234058b8.2aa60b16@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:54:46 EDT Subject: Re: Asleep at the bars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/30/2002 8:29:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GBruhl@XXXXXX writes: > I actually fell asleep while riding out in the pan handle of Oklahoma > I wouldn't have believed it possible... Been there done that, scares the crap out of ya dont it? The one I remember is suddenly finding myself on the far side of a town, without any memory of going through it. Pulled my ass off and rested a bit. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 09:00:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83D0iSi010729; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:00:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83D0h4e010721; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:00:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <24.2ae9b078.2aa60c73@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:00:35 EDT Subject: Re:It is a testosterone thang To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/30/2002 9:21:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Okay, but have you ever made a *babe* with Honda/Kawasaki/Suzuki/Yamaha > tattooed > on their ass? Not that I can think of, but worth checking out. And that job is easy if the babe is on a sportbike. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 09:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83DDUSi010831; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:13:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83DDT8j010821; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:13:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6c.21ba4044.2aa60f6c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:13:16 EDT Subject: Re: Asleep at the bars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/30/2002 2:24:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > yea one time I was leaving a young lady's house at 7 am Leaving the apartment of a young woman who no one knew I was involved with (Not gonna explain, but long before I was married) at about 2 or 3am, bike parked in an enclosed "courtyard" sort of area surrounded by other apartments, due to an electrical fault the bikes alarm went off and there was no way to turn it off. Now that will wake your ass up! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 09:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83DFwSi010870; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:15:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83DFvjB010861; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:15:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <105.1b40f811.2aa60ffc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:15:40 EDT Subject: Re: Asleep at the bars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/30/2002 3:29:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > I'm back on the hunt for D220s. casporttouring can't seem to get my front > 220 for me, and chapparal doesn't carry them. Neither does AZ > Motorsports. Still looking. Tread pretty low. I am beginning to float in the same boat (rear) Let me know where you find it. Thanks John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 09:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83DnrSi011067; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:49:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83DnqkN011060; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:49:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:53:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: mmmm... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Weather today is almost perfect. Had a good ride in, trafic was fairly well behaved. Rode yesterday too - was overcast, but dry. Did the Arlington, Northwest up the MD side of the Potomac, Cross at White's Ferry, and back on the Virginia side ride again. Had my wife with me on the back. We're discovering that, for her anyhow, pillion on the VFR isn't very comfortable. We stopped at the ferry and grabbed some food. There seemed to be plenty of other bikers making short stops there. Talked to a couple of them and then watched a whole crew of HD riders, flying their colors, ride by. This ride isn't /that/ exciting -- way too much "big" road to cover before getting to more "fun" road, but I guess that goes with living in this area. No idea on milage -- am still waiting on AZ motorsports to send me the speedo cable link part to repair that. Am finding that not having a working speedo means one less distraction to have to look at however. Yesterday was the first trial of the new Autocom intercom system. Didn't get it bike mounted, just, for now, stuck it into the tank bag. It was good to have, good to be able to know when it was time for a break, and such. The microphone audio seems a bit low -- need to futz around a bit and see if I can improve it. Tried it with a radio (2m ham) on the way to work this morning - got a similar "low audio" report from another station. Anyone else ride today? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 09:56:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83DuGSi011126; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:56:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83DuGqw011118; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:56:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 06:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mmmm... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020903065030.D75165-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > Rode yesterday too - was overcast, but dry. Did the Arlington, Northwest > up the MD side of the Potomac, Cross at White's Ferry, and back on the > Virginia side ride again. Had my wife with me on the back. We're > discovering that, for her anyhow, pillion on the VFR isn't very > comfortable. We stopped at the ferry and grabbed some food. There seemed > to be plenty of other bikers making short stops there. Talked to a couple Nice to meet you, Dan. I'm the dude in the black leathers with the blue/black Busa :-) I was riding with 2 of my HD riding friends ('02 Road King and '02 Dyna Sport). > of them and then watched a whole crew of HD riders, flying their colors, Oh man, that was funny. Those guys thought they were the baddest mofo's on the road :-) > ride by. This ride isn't /that/ exciting -- way too much "big" road to > cover before getting to more "fun" road, but I guess that goes with living > in this area. No idea on milage -- am still waiting on AZ motorsports to Yeah, not my idea of great riding in that area. All of the roads are like washboards and way too straight :-) (at least the route my friend wanted to take) > Anyone else ride today? No, but the day is still young. Sitting here at home, well, working :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 10:01:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83E1mSi011203; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:01:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83E1m0V011193; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:01:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020903140141.79374.qmail@web40210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: mmmm... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > Weather today is almost perfect. Had a good ride in, trafic was fairly > well behaved. It was nice and cool riding in this morning (about 6 am). Supposed to go up to about 87 today if I recall right, but the highs will head down as the week progresses. Once I'm sure the real hot days are definitely over, I can do my annual Aerostich wash. > Anyone else ride today? I did, and I saw about 3 bikes going the other way. Usually I only see one. (a Motorcycle police officer) Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 10:02:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83E2sSi011233; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:02:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83E2sxZ011227; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:02:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mmmm... In-Reply-To: <20020903065030.D75165-100000@magoo.noid.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Nice to meet you, Dan. I'm the dude in the black leathers with the > blue/black Busa :-) I was riding with 2 of my HD riding friends ('02 > Road King and '02 Dyna Sport). I was a-wondering. Nice to meet you too! We should come up with a secret handshake or a patch we all could wear or something ;-) I do, actually, have a Denizens of Doom "Geeky" sticker on the back fender, but that is a remnant from the previous owner. > > of them and then watched a whole crew of HD riders, flying their colors, > > Oh man, that was funny. Those guys thought they were the baddest mofo's > on the road :-) I was especially impressed by the trike that was tailing the rest of the crew, none the less, I decided not to join them at the front of the ferry on the ride over. They headed north on VA 15, I headed south. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 10:06:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83E6YSi011282; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:06:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83E6Ya8011277; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:06:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020903100440.022d42b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:06:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: mmmm... In-Reply-To: <20020903140141.79374.qmail@web40210.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:01 AM 9/3/2002, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > Anyone else ride today? > >I did, and I saw about 3 bikes going the other way. Usually I only see one. >(a Motorcycle police officer) I am screwed for another week. On Friday's ride home, I noticed that my VA inspection expired in May! With everything going on in May (wedding / honeymoon) it slipped my mind. Have to wait for my new tires to arrive before I venture out to an inspection station....Doh! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 10:15:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83EFYSi011369; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:15:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83EFX4J011359; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:15:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mmmm... Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:13:16 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02090310131615.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 03 September 2002 09:53, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > Anyone else ride today? > The wife and I rode around the neighborhood (Dale City). She's still learning. This is the second time she's been on the road so help and directions were required. After riding around our area (Evansdale), we headed over to Cloverdale and wandered up and down that area. I have to keep reminding her that her turn signals aren't automatic. After the 6th or 7th stop, wave her next to me, "turn signals", she figured it out. We crossed Dale Blvd up at Barksdale and wandered around in there. She found out where her boss lives when we turned at a cul-de-sac. She found it amusing that when she waved, he waved back but with the blank look. Lots of little kids running around; "Hey Harley man" and various waving. We went by lots of bikes sitting on the street or in driveways and only a couple riding. She practiced up hill stop signs (throttle, clutch, foot brake). At one point, I pulled into the street so she could concentrate on the coordination instead of traffic. She got it at the other stops. She enjoyed the ride and I enjoyed the weather. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 10:18:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83EIOSi011441; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:18:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83EIOYc011432; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:18:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY+s74CpNF99F2me0/L6KEHHHpKU1T3+iZ+OGLq3wqM9p7Gbk++EeYWitdejfm/Ob8= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: gory accident picture Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: <012801c25354$c2141710$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Ten or so years ago, this or a similar accident happened in Orlando, FL. A junior enlisted Navy f#cknut on a sportbike had installed an off-switch for his headlights & taillights so that the cops would have a harder time catching him at night. He was running from said cops, w/ all lights off...at well over 100mph on a major urban road (the road is kinda like Columbia Pike is in Arlington); he t-boned a car with a couple of honor students who were just leaving a study session. He killed himself and the occupants. A major black eye for the Navy and m/c-ists. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:53 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: gory accident picture http://www.sportbikes.dhs.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=displayit&Picture_ID=3314 5 weak stomach people shoudln't look at this.. but any conclusions that this is real or a phoney? i would think so much speed to impact liek t his would be the same speed to throw the rider far away from the accident. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 11:11:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83FBWSi011921; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:11:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83FBV8R011913; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:11:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Daniel H. Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: mmmm... Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:11:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, I rode yesterday down river road out toward Poolesville. Had two people dump there bikes there ok just some cosmetic damage. You know some people get bugs on there fairings after a ride well we stopped and I discovered a bird wedged in my fairing. Eeeewwwww! I tried to kick it off and only the body came out the head is still in there. I got pictures. Have to scan them though so I'll be posting them soon. LOL. Anyone ever hear of that before I haven't. See ya -----Original Message----- From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:54 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: mmmm... Weather today is almost perfect. Had a good ride in, trafic was fairly well behaved. Rode yesterday too - was overcast, but dry. Did the Arlington, Northwest up the MD side of the Potomac, Cross at White's Ferry, and back on the Virginia side ride again. Had my wife with me on the back. We're discovering that, for her anyhow, pillion on the VFR isn't very comfortable. We stopped at the ferry and grabbed some food. There seemed to be plenty of other bikers making short stops there. Talked to a couple of them and then watched a whole crew of HD riders, flying their colors, ride by. This ride isn't /that/ exciting -- way too much "big" road to cover before getting to more "fun" road, but I guess that goes with living in this area. No idea on milage -- am still waiting on AZ motorsports to send me the speedo cable link part to repair that. Am finding that not having a working speedo means one less distraction to have to look at however. Yesterday was the first trial of the new Autocom intercom system. Didn't get it bike mounted, just, for now, stuck it into the tank bag. It was good to have, good to be able to know when it was time for a break, and such. The microphone audio seems a bit low -- need to futz around a bit and see if I can improve it. Tried it with a radio (2m ham) on the way to work this morning - got a similar "low audio" report from another station. Anyone else ride today? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 11:20:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83FKhSi012013; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:20:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83FKgZL012006; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:20:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020903111428.01d67ab8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:20:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: mmmm... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:11 AM 9/3/2002 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >Yep, I rode yesterday down river road out toward Poolesville. Had two people >dump there bikes there ok just some cosmetic damage. You know some people >get bugs on there fairings after a ride well we stopped and I discovered a >bird wedged in my fairing. Eeeewwwww! I tried to kick it off and only the >body came out the head is still in there. I got pictures. Have to scan them >though so I'll be posting them soon. LOL. Anyone ever hear of that before I >haven't. See ya No, but at the risk of *completely* throwing this discussion to a different topic, I had a sparrow nosedive into my leg and imbed it's beak while I was riding down in Va. Beach. I was going about 60mph and didn't realize what happened until I felt this *serious* burning sensation just above my left knee. I looked down and this bird was flapping around and apparently got it's beak wrapped up in the fiber of my jeans after putting a 1/2" deep hole into my leg. I stopped and it fell off but it didn't look too good. I bled like a stuck pig until I got home, then had to go to the emergency room where they gave me some shots and taped the hole shut. Hurt like hell for about 2 weeks. Swelled up like a third eyeball..all purple and green. Yeech. Bird beak puncture wounds majorly suck. I don't recommend them. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 11:25:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83FPpSi012059; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:25:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83FPpfC012052; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:25:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: mmmm... Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:24:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2002 15:24:44.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[07DB29B0:01C2535E] Aki, Your eyeballs are purple and green? Man! I've got to party with you, sometime... Perry >From: Aki Damme >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: mmmm... >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:20:31 -0400 > [snip] >Swelled up like a third eyeball..all purple and green. Yeech. > >Bird beak puncture wounds majorly suck. I don't recommend them. > >-aki > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 11:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83FRjSi012095; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:27:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83FRjaW012088; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:27:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020903152743.27712.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: (non-moto) My band is auditioning at Zigs tonight! To: dccyles , John Collier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My band Chaotika is auditioning tonight at Zigs in Alexandria to get a gig during one of their regular music nights. Tonight is their open mike, so we essentially have 20 minutes to show the ownership what we can do. If anyone is in the area please stop by and listen. Having a few people show up to hear us will help us in getting booked. The open mike starts at 8:00. I don't know when we will go on, as they figure out the schedule at 7:00pm. Directions to Zigs can be found on their website: http://www.zigsbar.com/ Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 11:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83FTASi012139; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:29:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83FTA67012132; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:29:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020903112748.01d7c350@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:28:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: mmmm... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:24 AM 9/3/2002 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote: >Aki, > >Your eyeballs are purple and green? Man! I've got to party with you, >sometime... > >Perry > LOL! Hey wait a minute...you mean yours aren't? NOW I know why that LASIK surgery was so cheap.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 11:48:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83FmkSi012295; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:48:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83FmkPI012287; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:48:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020903154841.11127.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: mmmm... To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > Rode yesterday too - was overcast, but dry. Did the > Arlington, Northwest > up the MD side of the Potomac, Cross at White's Ferry, > and back on the > Virginia side ride again. Had my wife with me on the > back. We're > discovering that, for her anyhow, pillion on the VFR > isn't very > comfortable. We stopped at the ferry and grabbed some > food. There seemed > to be plenty of other bikers making short stops there. > Talked to a couple > of them and then watched a whole crew of HD riders, > flying their colors, > ride by. we were snubbed on saturday by 3 rubs. multiple waves to 3 separate hd idiots within the same group. no response. i take solace in the hope that their machines may have rattled apart before they got home. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 12:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83G44Si012464; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:04:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83G43i6012454; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:04:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020903160356.9304.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: FS: Redskins vs. Cardinals Tix To: DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll be racing at Summit this weekend, so anyone that would like to go to this Sunday's opener, please let me know. 1pm Sect 454, Row 9, Seats 1 & 2 Face Value is $69 per ticket. Make offer. I have the tickets with me in Tysons Corner. Live in Sterling. Can deliver in the DC area. Thanks, Steve Clark TightSqueezeRacing.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 12:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83GDKSi012539; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:13:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83GDK6J012530; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:13:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: mmmm...sparrows Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:12:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623042EB82A@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: mmmm...sparrows Thread-Index: AcJTZMgLHmJQTHIoS62z3FJgq9/fag== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g83GDISi012513 Hmm, another reason to wear a full face I had a sparrow hit me in the windshield on Saturday at speed, Splat...I had to stop and clean the guts off....yuck George >>> Aki Damme 09/03/02 11:20AM >>> wrote: > I had a sparrow nosedive into my leg and imbed it's beak while I was riding down From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 12:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83GGJSi012583; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:16:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83GGJnd012579; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:16:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020903121458.01d6b568@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:16:02 -0400 To: , From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: mmmm...sparrows In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623042EB82A@nt-hqexbh1.boiseo ffice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:12 AM 9/3/2002 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >Hmm, another reason to wear a full face > >I had a sparrow hit me in the windshield on Saturday at speed, Splat...I >had >to stop and clean the guts off....yuck > >George although the merits of wearing a full face helmet are well known, (I was wearing one btw), I think it would of been overkill to wear one on each knee. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 14:45:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83IjbSi013529; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:45:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83IjaZt013519; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:45:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640912D@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mmmm... Thread-Index: AcJTYXqB5gxlqWwCT5GqYdEXoYzGUwAELfeg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g83IjZSi013507 I thought it would be only proper that I mention my first and last Coleman shopping experience (that is, if I can help it). As some of you may remember, I am the guy who had the bike and all the gear except the helmet, and wanted to start riding ASAP. I ended up going to Coleman in Falls Church to get a cheap helmet to carry me through the parking lots as I shop around on the net for a quality helmet. In the end, however, I bought a Shoei TZ-1 Venom helmet they were blowing out for a reasonable $255 OTD. Now getting to the good part. As I was trying on other helmets for size, another customer right next to me completely dropped a Shoei helmet as he was taking it off. It hit the ground hard and tumbled quite a bit. None of the Coleman salespeople seemed to be the least bothered by this. That's when I made a mental note to never buy a helmet if it was used for display purposes :) Similarly, customer service rivaled that of socialist France. When I asked if the helmet is Snell95 or Snell2000, the salesguy thought about it, then said he's not sure and just walked away. When I asked another sales guy if they had R6 frame sliders, he said they would have to order them, at which point he turned around and resumed a very heated conversation with a coworker behind the counter regarding which merchandise they should pitch and sell to customers, because they get different commission on different things. There also seems to be some friction between this location and another Coleman location or some other shop... I'm finally riding my R6 That said, even despite all the rain and other obligations, I started to ride around this past 3-day weekend. I started by playing with the friction zone, then proceeded to walk the bike, ride in a straight line, break hard, start taking some turns, etc. Top speed never exceeded 35mph. I want to get my slow maneuvers down before going faster. My first impression is that the R6 is easy to balance, even for me. I can flatfoot the bike with one leg, or tiptoe with both legs. As funny as this may sound, the motorcycle kinda feels like my road bicycle: nimble, responsive, and precise. I also found the R6 to be very comfortable. I guess that's what happens if you've been riding a road bicycle for the last couple of years! hehehe... That said, there are some areas that I need to work on :) Sometimes I forgot to turn my head enough to make nicer 90-degree turns. Also, on few occasions, I slipped it into neutral, (from 2nd) inadvertently. This is the only source of discomfort on the bike: keeping my ankle pointing up... Since I got it into neutral, I suspect that I ride the back brake sometimes as well. BTW, this mostly happened when I was braking... Other than that, I will need to spend some time on riding smoother. The bike is pretty twitchy in 1st, but things get much smoother in 2nd. Overall, it's not as hard as I thought it would be, but there's definately areas that I need to work on. I though I would let you guys know. Witold PS. I'm still planning to put frame sliders on the bike, but I'm having a heck of a time taking off the fairing. One screw in particular feels like it's been superglued in! All I managed to do is mess it up with the screwdriver... I might just hand it off to a dealer to do the work. If they can unscrew that fairing, they will have earned their money :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 15:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83J2gSi013696; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:02:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83J2gXF013688; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:02:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623042B9FC1@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding Thread-Index: AcJTfGjax/Qo6yzHRVmVvx9WU6g5pQ== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g83J2eSi013676 I would suggest going to Sears and purchase a Impact screwdriver and a Rubber mallet, to get that screw off, Unless the dealer is wiling to do it for free...you might as well order some new fairing screws. You are welcome to ride over to my garage and I will gladly loosen the screws for you. But maybe you need to practice some more before hitting the Beltway. George >>> Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services 09/03/02 02:45PM >>> wrote PS. I'm still planning to put frame sliders on the bike, but I'm having a heck of a time taking off the fairing. One screw in particular feels like it's been superglued in! All I managed to do is mess it up with the screwdriver... I might just hand it off to a dealer to do the work. If they can unscrew that fairing, they will have earned their money :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 15:07:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83J7iSi013770; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:07:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83J7haW013762; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:07:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVadBQjK6LXQtxxUAASHRG2kNGYe0iQzOgVpbg4cTo4rnfHhS1F03CMbGEfghO6MLB4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:07:40 -0400 Message-ID: <013401c2537d$2d5185d0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Impact driver. It's like a big fat black metal screw driver thingy that you whack with a hammer. Much fun and a very essential tool for any m/c-ist. $20? at your nearest tool source (e.g. Sears). (When you whack it, it turns the screw driver bit about 1/32 of a turn. Combined with the force of impact, which drives the bit in harder and knocks and maybe even relaxes the torque on the screw, it can get just about any philips screw out.) A google search led me to this description: www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/LIS-29200.html If you don't want to wait, come to my house and I'll get it out in 10 seconds (assuming phillips head). --jon -----Witold wrote: > One screw in particular feels like it's been superglued in! All I managed to do is mess it up with the screwdriver... I might just hand it off to a dealer to do the work. If they can unscrew that fairing, they will have earned their money :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 15:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83JTYSi013919; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:29:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83JTYDY013914; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:29:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:29:27 -0400 Subject: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding From: Rob Curtis To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640912D@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you are going to do any work on your bike at all, spend some cash on good tools. At the very least get a decent socket set and some good screwdrivers. I have had tons of screwdrivers made by craftsman and grizzly and all the home depot brands and used them to strip the heads of countless screw. Then one day I happened to be at a dealership when the Snap-On dude was there. I bought 2 phillips/posi drivers for $25. I cannot stress enough that, for me, those screwdrivers have been worth every penny. They fit the screwheads better, allow me to put more force on the screw when twisting and even have a hex collar that allows the use of a wrench for a really tight screw. I've mangled a couple of screws using these screwdrivers, but that's because I shoulda been using an impact driver from the get go (right George?). A bet you can get any fairing screw off with the right tool! Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 15:33:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83JXjSi013972; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:33:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83JXiO7013966; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:33:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:37:35 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding In-Reply-To: <013401c2537d$2d5185d0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > -----Witold wrote: > > One screw in particular feels like it's been superglued in! All I managed > to do is mess it up with the screwdriver... I might just hand it off to a > dealer to do the work. If they can unscrew that fairing, they will have > earned their money :) > I've got an impact driver, I'd be glad to help you out, I have some screw extractors too, well about 1/2 a set, I hate when they break...GRRR. Also have a die griner if you need to cut new grooves in the head. Can you tell I've had some stuck screws before? Just mention where you are and I'm sure there is a list member close enough to help you out. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 15:53:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83JrSSi014172; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:53:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83JrRt0014162; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:53:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020903195325.22438.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Can someone post this on Sportbikes.net To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is anyone a member at http://www.sportbikes.net? If so, can you please post an message promoting this week's bikenight? I cannot register for some reason. Message could read: BikeNight is this Sunday, September 8th at CarPool in Arlington, VA from 6PM to 10PM. Please join us for the last BikeNight of the year. Website is http://www.sportbikes.net thanks and let me know if you do this. Also, ANY other lists. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 15:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83JtwSi014219; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:55:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83Jtw6c014215; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:55:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: helmets with integrated sunshields? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got an HJC CL-12, while I like the helmet, I am tired of swapping shields, and REALLY tired of the damn mirrored ones getting scratched by just wearing them. It seems like I get 6 months of usage before the mirrored one is toast. The original clear one is still like new. To clean them I set a wet rag on it and let it soak for a bit, then wipe it off, I only use water or window tint safe glass cleaner. I still get scratches all over the place (in the mirror finish, not the actual plastic), and at $35 a pop, its expensive. Also I've been stuck out late at night with the mirrored because a short ride turned out to be a long ride. So any ideas/opinions on helmets with an integrated sun visor that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 15:59:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83JxISi014265; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:59:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83JxIoC014257; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:59:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <018901c25385$283ae7a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dan" , References: Subject: Re: helmets with integrated sunshields? Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:04:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I've been considering a flip-front and lots of people recommend the Schuberth Concept helmet. It has an integrated tinted visor. http://www.schuberth-usa.com/ Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" > I've got an HJC CL-12, while I like the helmet, I am tired of swapping > shields, and REALLY tired of the damn mirrored ones getting scratched by > just wearing them. It seems like I get 6 months of usage before the > mirrored one is toast. The original clear one is still like new. To > clean them I set a wet rag on it and let it soak for a bit, then wipe it > off, I only use water or window tint safe glass cleaner. I still get > scratches all over the place (in the mirror finish, not the actual > plastic), and at $35 a pop, its expensive. Also I've been stuck out late > at night with the mirrored because a short ride turned out to be a long > ride. So any ideas/opinions on helmets with an integrated sun visor that > doesn't cost an arm and a leg? > > Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 16:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83KB3Si014364; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:11:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83KB2Nr014358; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:11:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020903201100.8560.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:11:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: helmets with integrated sunshields? To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's a ten-cent solution you may like. Use your regular clear visor and put one or two strips of black electrical tape (NOT duct tape) along the top edge. If you do it carefully enough it looks clean and will usually block the setting/rising sun from blinding you. I get the same problem with my tinted shield by the way - scratches too easily. (Suomy) Chris Weaver --- dan wrote: > I've got an HJC CL-12, while I like the helmet, I am > tired of swapping > shields, and REALLY tired of the damn mirrored ones > getting scratched by > just wearing them. It seems like I get 6 months of > usage before the > mirrored one is toast. The original clear one is > still like new. To > clean them I set a wet rag on it and let it soak for > a bit, then wipe it > off, I only use water or window tint safe glass > cleaner. I still get > scratches all over the place (in the mirror finish, > not the actual > plastic), and at $35 a pop, its expensive. Also > I've been stuck out late > at night with the mirrored because a short ride > turned out to be a long > ride. So any ideas/opinions on helmets with an > integrated sun visor that > doesn't cost an arm and a leg? > > Dan > > -- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 16:14:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83KETSi014415; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:14:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83KET05014408; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:14:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020903201427.73355.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:14:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Can someone post this on Sportbikes.net To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020903195325.22438.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Done. Chris Weaver --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Is anyone a member at http://www.sportbikes.net? > > If so, can you please post an message promoting this > week's bikenight? I cannot register for some > reason. > > Message could read: > > BikeNight is this Sunday, September 8th at CarPool > in > Arlington, VA from 6PM to 10PM. Please join us for > the last BikeNight of the year. > > Website is > > http://www.sportbikes.net > > thanks and let me know if you do this. > > Also, ANY other lists. > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 16:29:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83KTDSi014514; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:29:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83KTCeh014504; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:29:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D751CE0.3C1C9140@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:34:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding References: <013401c2537d$2d5185d0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, impact driver, an absolute must have tool if you own a Japanese bike. Must have for Harleys - Loc-Tite :-) Oh yeah, replace those pesky phillips heads with allen bolts, no more problems. Bill Jon Strang wrote: > Impact driver. > > It's like a big fat black metal screw driver thingy that you whack with a > hammer. Much fun and a very essential tool for any m/c-ist. $20? at your > nearest tool source (e.g. Sears). > > (When you whack it, it turns the screw driver bit about 1/32 of a turn. > Combined with the force of impact, which drives the bit in harder and knocks > and maybe even relaxes the torque on the screw, it can get just about any > philips screw out.) > > A google search led me to this description: > www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/LIS-29200.html > > If you don't want to wait, come to my house and I'll get it out in 10 > seconds (assuming phillips head). > > --jon > > -----Witold wrote: > > One screw in particular feels like it's been superglued in! All I managed > to do is mess it up with the screwdriver... I might just hand it off to a > dealer to do the work. If they can unscrew that fairing, they will have > earned their money :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 16:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83KXxSi014562; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:33:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83KXwgP014551; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:33:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020903203356.12040.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640912D@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > I'm finally riding my R6 > > That said, even despite all the rain and other > obligations, I started to ride around this past 3-day > weekend. I started by playing with the friction zone, > then proceeded to walk the bike, ride in a straight line, > break hard, start taking some turns, etc. Top speed > never exceeded 35mph. I want to get my slow maneuvers > down before going faster. fyi: a neighbor newbie with a similar strategy to yours recently had problems with his new scoot because he failed to keep the rpms up high enough to charge the battery. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 16:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83KZXSi014611; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:35:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83KZXbE014601; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:35:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYjQPlIzyBB9bgxVb4cmDx59jL+2+gEvEfMFOSCWi9kSzfMao/3C9wASZ+NQI9qVc4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: <014101c25389$72113330$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <3D751CE0.3C1C9140@patriot.net> Importance: Normal especially on float bowls. I don't think Mikuni designs for the impact it takes to get the POS philips out of the bottom the the carbs. -----Bill wrote: > Oh yeah, replace those pesky phillips heads with allen bolts, no more problems. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 16:56:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83KuHSi014746; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:56:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83KuGVU014739; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:56:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020903205609.17907.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:56:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Can someone post this on Sportbikes.net To: Chris Weaver , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020903201427.73355.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks! --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Done. > > Chris Weaver > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Is anyone a member at http://www.sportbikes.net? > > > > If so, can you please post an message promoting > this > > week's bikenight? I cannot register for some > > reason. > > > > Message could read: > > > > BikeNight is this Sunday, September 8th at CarPool > > in > > Arlington, VA from 6PM to 10PM. Please join us > for > > the last BikeNight of the year. > > > > Website is > > > > http://www.sportbikes.net > > > > thanks and let me know if you do this. > > > > Also, ANY other lists. > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 17:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83LJxSi014887; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:19:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83LJxte014877; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:19:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640912D@rnc1.rnchq.org> Message-ID: <20020903141556.A80895-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > That said, there are some areas that I need to work on :) Sometimes I forgot to turn my head enough to make nicer 90-degree turns. Also, on few occasions, I slipped it into neutral, (from 2nd) inadvertently. This is the only source of discomfort on the bike: keeping my ankle pointing up... Since I got it into neutral, I suspect that I ride the back brake sometimes as well. BTW, this mostly happened when I was braking... > > Other than that, I will need to spend some time on riding smoother. The bike is pretty twitchy in 1st, but things get much smoother in 2nd. Overall, it's not as hard as I thought it would be, but there's definately areas that I need to work on. > > I though I would let you guys know. > > Witold You should be riding with the balls of your feet on the pegs, not with your foot under the shift lever or riding on top of the rear brake (unless you're covering it for some other reason, like riding in gravel, anticipating a quick stop, etc). -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 17:42:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83Lg1Si015051; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:42:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83Lg01Z015043; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:42:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <115.16c353bb.2aa6869d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:41:49 EDT Subject: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding and a question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 witold --- you should feel privileged you offer a problem removing your fairing and many guys offer to come over or have you come to their place to help you out. ive been asking these same guys to go for rides for the past 2 months! so let me try out your tactic. i have a slight leak on my new purple monster. i will try to explain it but i warn you -- im not a mechanic by any means! it started showing shortly after my 600 mile service (which was at about 1000 miles). it might just be an overflow of something that the service guy did. imagine a cruiser (cuz my first bike wasn't an R6 however witold --- i caught the same flack that you that about getting a brand new bike as my first one!). the clutch cable comes down from the left across the front towards my right leg. the black casing ends at a bolt where its just bare cable for about 6 inches. it then attaches to a lever which moves back and forth when i pull the clutch. it appears to be leaking from where the bolt attaches to the cable. i don't believe that its oil and that its just (i made this term up) clutch lubricant. so who wants me to bring my bike over? (it worked for witold!) but for real... i don't think its a big deal. i need to get it serviced again soon. so when i go to Europe in a month ill let the shop people take care of the service and fix whatever problem its experiencing --- it should be covered under warrantee ive had it 2.5 months with 3400 miles and i haven't been riding in 2.5 weeks! ARGH! see you on sunday! jenn 2002 purple monster (aka honda shadow vlx 600 deluxe) http://profiles.yahoo.com/jennburkett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 17:49:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83LndSi015107; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:49:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83Lndiq015100; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:49:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYfjK0p82OU8dzDYjsT7H3clHnie1uk2baASvMW5qUeUTgax7QfJFl0sOr1VfKJXpg= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: JTB's leaky clutch (cable?) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:49:36 -0400 Message-ID: <014601c25393$cc5781a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <115.16c353bb.2aa6869d@aol.com> Importance: Normal The difference is that witold's bike has never been called "cute". --jon -----jtb whined: witold --- you should feel privileged .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 18:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83M2ASi015231; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:02:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83M29u3015221; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:02:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding and a question Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:03:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c25395$bd0eee20$2f84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <115.16c353bb.2aa6869d@aol.com> Importance: Normal JTB pounded out on the keyboard in a huff witold --- you should feel privileged you offer a problem removing your fairing and many guys offer to come over or have you come to their place to help you out. ive been asking these same guys to go for rides for the past 2 months! so let me try out your tactic. [Dave] That's because YOU didn't ask anyone here to...well... come over and take your fairing off ;-) ... so who wants me to bring my bike over? (it worked for witold!) [Dave] Is it going to involve a 'fairing' removal ? Good luck with the leak... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 19:02:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83N2GSi015742; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:02:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83N2FIh015732; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:02:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7540C2.6A3E76A3@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:07:47 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding and a question References: <115.16c353bb.2aa6869d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > witold --- > > you should feel privileged you offer a problem removing your fairing and many > > guys offer to come over or have you come to their place to help you out. ive > > been asking these same guys to go for rides for the past 2 months! so let me > > try out your tactic. > > i have a slight leak on my new purple monster. i will try to explain it but > i warn you -- im not a mechanic by any means! it started showing shortly > after my 600 mile service (which was at about 1000 miles). it might just be > an overflow of something that the service guy did. imagine a cruiser (cuz my > > first bike wasn't an R6 however witold --- i caught the same flack that you > that about getting a brand new bike as my first one!). the clutch cable > comes down from the left across the front towards my right leg. the black > casing ends at a bolt where its just bare cable for about 6 inches. it then > attaches to a lever which moves back and forth when i pull the clutch. it > appears to be leaking from where the bolt attaches to the cable. i don't > believe that its oil and that its just (i made this term up) clutch > lubricant. > > so who wants me to bring my bike over? (it worked for witold!) but for > real... i don't think its a big deal. i need to get it serviced again soon. > > so when i go to Europe in a month ill let the shop people take care of the > service and fix whatever problem its experiencing --- it should be covered > under warrantee ive had it 2.5 months with 3400 miles and i haven't been > riding in 2.5 weeks! ARGH! > > see you on sunday! > jenn > 2002 purple monster > (aka honda shadow vlx 600 deluxe) > http://profiles.yahoo.com/jennburkett Actually, the clutch is *lubricated*. Almost all bikes run *wet* ctutchs (Yates, see if you work with that straight line) and any gasket that fails will cause a leak. Of course, it could be leaking an excess of clutch cable lubricant. Service personal can be overzealous with the squirt cans at times. Bottom line: Bike runs, why worry? But you're welcoem to drop by my dangerously cluttered garage in Annandale and I'll take a peek at it. I won't even scream if it pisses oil on the floor. The two Harleys and one Norton aren't litter box trained. I look at oil as concrete preservation! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 19:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83NKoSi015843; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:20:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83NKo0F015833; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:20:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.1.20020903191425.00a8e270@k-kdom.nishanet.com> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:21:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: mmmm... In-Reply-To: <200209032300.g83N01Sr015519@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed damn mike! i can understand waiting on the tires, thats kinda important. but i've gone as much as 4 years without an inspection! the county sticker on my car expired in '98 (current ones in the glove compartment) and i've NEVER had a county sticker on my bike. :-) last time i got my bike inspected was for the MD20/20 in '00 cuz i thought they'd check. wont happen again, i assure you. :-) i pay the taxes and do the inspection, just call it my little 'civil disobedience' to not display the proof..... ride it anyway, a cop friend once told me there isnt but about 1% of the cops out there that know cycle requirements anyway. but maybe i get a little better nod on my ultra. even had one of loudoun county's finest stick his hand out the window and wave to me passing the opposite direction on foxhall road going into middleburg yesterday. by the way, foxhall is a great road, but 90% blind corners/hills, and was still mostly wet with various leaves, etc yesterday afternoon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 19:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83NZjSi016046; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:35:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83NZip9016036; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:35:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:35:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: mmmm... To: Carl Schelin Cc: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D754739.3A803775@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <02090310131615.11374@XXXXXX> Carl Schelin wrote: > The wife and I rode around the neighborhood (Dale City). She's still > learning. This is the second time she's been on the road so help and > directions were required. > > After riding around our area (Evansdale), we headed over to Cloverdale > and... Barksdale That's it, start out low in the Dale City alphabet, and work your way up. Let me know when you get to the "K"'s, and I'll join ya. :) Horkster (on Kerrydale) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 19:51:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83NpQSi016143; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:51:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g83NpPim016133; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:51:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020903195048.01db7ee0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:51:17 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: JTB's leaky clutch (cable?) In-Reply-To: <014601c25393$cc5781a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> References: <115.16c353bb.2aa6869d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:49 PM 9/3/2002 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >The difference is that witold's bike has never been called "cute". > >--jon > >-----jtb whined: > > >witold --- > >you should feel privileged .... ..and no guy in his right mind would even *touch* a purple bike. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 20:24:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g840OaSi016434; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:24:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g840OZl0016424; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:24:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <43.10f99cc7.2aa6acbc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:24:28 EDT Subject: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/3/2002 3:02:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > I would suggest going to Sears and purchase a Impact screwdriver and a > Rubber > mallet, to get that screw off, Not unless there is something _real_ solid behind that screw, not just a flimsy tubular bracket. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 20:35:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g840ZLSi016518; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:35:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g840ZLF0016510; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:35:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:35:10 EDT Subject: Re: A Coleman PS experience/R6 riding and a question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/3/2002 5:41:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX writes: > it > appears to be leaking from where the bolt attaches to the cable. _If_ I read your post correctly it is just cable lubricant. Did the shop lube your cables when they serviced your bike? Anyhow, it should stop by itself. FYI I expect your owners manual states that no lube should be used on your cables (it could degrade the Teflon coating on the inner cable) I would not worry about it, but that is what Honda has been saying about lubing cables for some time. Again _IF_ I read your post correctly. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 21:21:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g841LUSi016767; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:21:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g841LUDN016757; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:21:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020903211810.0326cec0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:21:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: mmmm... In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.1.20020903191425.00a8e270@k-kdom.nishanet.com> References: <200209032300.g83N01Sr015519@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:21 PM 9/3/2002, Bruce Brownlee wrote: >damn mike! i can understand waiting on the tires, thats kinda important. >but i've gone as much as 4 years without an inspection! the county >sticker on my car expired in '98 You should see my tires. Last afternoon rain I thought I was riding on black ice. These gravel roads are tearing them up. My D220 rear is on the way, but I just learned that the front is on backorder for two weeks. Dunlop is behind on shipments of the new line. I have a D207 front in the garage, but I am a bit worried about mixing them up. It has 4k on it and looks pretty new. The rear was shot in 4k on the 207s. Thoughts? Suggestions? PS - In Clifton they have had cops at the tracks and stop sign a couple times lately. Pulling for inspections and county stickers. With my luck, I'd get nailed. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 3 21:43:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g841hiSi016887; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:43:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g841hgnB016877; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:43:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D756640.E1EE9334@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:47:44 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Sunshields Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.157.122.244] using ID at Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:43:32 -0500 dan wrote: > I've got an HJC CL-12, while I like the helmet, I am tired of swapping > shields, and REALLY tired of the damn mirrored ones getting scratched by > just wearing them. SNIP > So any ideas/opinions on helmets with an integrated sun visor that > doesn't cost an arm and a leg? > > Dan Dan, Get one of these, http://www.helmetsunblocker.com/ I've got them on my helmets and they work great. Not quite as cheap as electrical tape though. LOL Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 06:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84A6bSi019562; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:06:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84A6aEL019552; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:06:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: mmmm... Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:04:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <02090310131615.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3D754739.3A803775@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3D754739.3A803775@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209040604221A.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 03 September 2002 19:35, Dale Horstman wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > The wife and I rode around the neighborhood (Dale City). She's still > > learning. This is the second time she's been on the road so help and > > directions were required. > > > > After riding around our area (Evansdale), we headed over to Cloverdale > > and... Barksdale > > That's it, start out low in the Dale City alphabet, and work your way > up. Let me know when you get to the "K"'s, and I'll join ya. :) > > Horkster (on Kerrydale) The problem is the main roads (minnieville and dale blvd). She doesn't want to get on those and I can't blame her. I'll drag her out again this weekend. Maybe with an early start, we can get farther out in the alphabet. We're both curious as to what's happening at the water treatment plant/rec center. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 07:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84Be9Si019997; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:40:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84Be81c019987; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:40:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020904114006.8790.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 04:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Re: helmets with integrated sunshields? To: DCC , dan@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul wrote: >...lots of people recommend the Schuberth Concept > helmet. When these came out, I really wanted one. I thought they were the coolest thing since Social Distortion. Well, maybe not that cool... But anyway... I know of at least one person who bought one and hated it. Very noisy. > It has an integrated tinted visor. I asked my friend about this, and he said its curved shape lets too much sun in from the sides. Since they don't cost $400, they can't be as Kewl as the Schuberth Helmes ;), but the Nolan N100s seem to be good value for the $ in flip fronts. They have a model with a removable, washable liner too. HTH, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 08:12:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84CCDSi020216; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:12:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84CCDma020208; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:12:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020904080858.00a677a8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:10:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: mmmm... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020903211810.0326cec0@mail.troutman.org> References: <5.1.1.6.1.20020903191425.00a8e270@k-kdom.nishanet.com> <200209032300.g83N01Sr015519@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:21 PM 9/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: >At 07:21 PM 9/3/2002, Bruce Brownlee wrote: >>damn mike! i can understand waiting on the tires, thats kinda important. >>but i've gone as much as 4 years without an inspection! the county >>sticker on my car expired in '98 > >You should see my tires. Last afternoon rain I thought I was riding on >black ... >behind on shipments of the new line. I have a D207 front in the garage, >but I am a bit worried about mixing them up. It has 4k on it and looks >pretty new. The rear was shot in 4k on the 207s. > >Thoughts? Suggestions? To get it inspected? Who cares what rubber you have on there as long as you have enough tread to pass. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 08:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84CMUSi020288; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:22:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84CMTVD020279; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:22:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020904122222.67024.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 05:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Summit Point This weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone heading up to Summit this weekend for the races? Nick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 08:38:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84CcwSi020401; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:38:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84CcwUC020391; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:38:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summit Point This weekend Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:35:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I'll be heading to the races this weekend. A bunch of my friends are racing 2-stroke scooters this year. There's no word as to whether they'll be on the big track as they have been for their last three races or whether they'll be on the Jefferson Circuit. If anyone is up for a good laugh you should watch the stock and highly tuned Vintage Scooters tear up the track. Some of the racers are former Vintage Motorcycle/Superbike/Supercross racers and are quite good. One of the guys has a super-tuned small-frame Vespa that runs times that are competitive with the GP series bikes. I haven't decided if I'll be riding the RD or one of my Vespas out to the track, but I'll be there regardless. - Wellesley '73 RD350 + 5 Vintage Vespas -----Original Message----- From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:sfdaytona@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point This weekend Anyone heading up to Summit this weekend for the races? Nick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 08:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84CrsSi020526; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:53:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84Crr8W020516; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:53:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <166.13414317.2aa75c51@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:53:37 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point This weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g84CrqSi020504 In a message dated 9/4/2002 8:39:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wscott@XXXXXX writes: > If anyone is up for a good laugh you should watch the stock and highly tuned > Vintage Scooters tear up the track. That sounds like a real hoot to me, proof that it aint the bike that makes the race, its the competition. (One of the best (most fun) races I was ever involved in was two Honda ATC 70s (three wheels and 70cc.*) around and around the local Yamaha shop. Talk about a BTW no holds barred no surrender RACE! Damn that was fun. Unfortunately I will not be able to come (non-moto company,) maybe next time. *Note: I am 6)B’4" and was probably around 200# at the time. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 09:03:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84D3dSi020627; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:03:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84D3cE7020617; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:03:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Brad Faas" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Nicholas Thompson Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:57:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Summit Point This weekend Message-ID: <3D75CAEB.18217.18A00993@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020904122222.67024.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body I'll be there.... Brad On 4 Sep 2002 at 5:22, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Anyone heading up to Summit this weekend for the > races? > > > Nick > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 09:21:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84DLLSi020912; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:21:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84DLKhQ020905; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:21:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51925F9@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC Cycles List Subject: Spam: Room for Rent in McLean Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:22:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Room For Rent (703) 917-0334 $455 + 1/4 utilities / month Start Oct 6th 4 bedroom 3.5 bathroom 3 level large Townhouse Intersection of 123 & Dulles Toll Road in McLean Live with professional males mid 20s Unlimited Parking (motorcycles have to be in front of spot covered) Large Patio in back W/D DW AC Fireplace Cable modem No Pets Short drive to Metro From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 09:31:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84DVpSi021074; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:31:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84DVolh021064; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:31:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e001c25416$e29e3cf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <20020904122222.67024.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Summit Point This weekend Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:27:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I'll be there...but more importantly, my camera will be there :-) http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/photos_main.htm Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Thompson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: Summit Point This weekend > Anyone heading up to Summit this weekend for the > races? > > > Nick > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 10:24:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84EOYSi021566; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:24:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84EOXxD021559; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:24:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004f01c2541f$99f53ae0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Scratch" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020904114006.8790.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: helmets with integrated sunshields? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:29:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I like the Nolan, but it doesn't seem to conform to the shape of my melon very well. I got a good fit from the HJC Symax, but a MCN review spanked them for having a plastic chinbar locking mechanism while the Nolan has metal. The Nolan was rated MCN's Best Buy (July '01) in modular lids. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scratch" > > Since they don't cost $400, they can't be as Kewl as > the Schuberth Helmes ;), but the Nolan N100s seem to > be good value for the $ in flip fronts. They have a > model with a removable, washable liner too. > > HTH, > > Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 11:09:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84F98Si022032; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:09:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84F97Xo022025; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:09:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: From: "Patti Rodgers" Subject: Partisans MC Flag Run to the Pentagon (memorial ride) Sept. 14 Message-Id: <040902247.29448@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: 4 Sep 2002 08:10:47 -0700 http://www.virginiawind.com/events/02_sep_14.asp Hosted by the Partisans Motorcycle Club of NoVa. Saturday, Sept. 14, leaving from Warrenton VA at 10 AM and going to the Pentagon for a wreath-laying in honor of those killed in the Sept. 11 attacks. All riders should bring a flag to fly. You can register before by downloading a form and sending it in, or register at the event the day of. It's $5 if you register before, $8 if you register the day of. Your registration fee gets you lunch and if you register in advance you get a patch for your jacket too. I didn't do this ride last year but heard it was a nice time. Anyone want to join me for this? I can get some coffee and danish together for anyone wishing to meet up at my house in DC for the ride out to Warrenton. Cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 13:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84HGKSi023075; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:16:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84HGJ1g023065; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:16:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Iron Works? Message-ID: <20020904101150.V92903-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A couple friends and I were thinking of stopping by Iron Works tonight to hang out and BS. Anyone else? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 13:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84HQNSi023150; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:26:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84HQNAo023142; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Iron Works? Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 13:26:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2002 17:26:16.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CA0C270:01C25438] Iron Works? More information, please? Perry >From: Wayne Edelen >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Iron Works? >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:13:54 -0700 (PDT) > >A couple friends and I were thinking of stopping by Iron Works tonight to >hang out and BS. Anyone else? > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 13:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84HUcSi023211; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:30:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84HUc8d023204; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:30:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:28:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Iron Works? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020904102517.U92903-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > Iron Works? > > More information, please? > > Perry Another list member told me that Iron Works (a custom bike shop) in G'burg had a Weds evening hangout behind their shop. They grilled dogs/burgers and occasionally had some of the Hooters chippies out there. I stopped by a few weeks ago and it was a friendly, casual hangout. Lots of Harleys, a few custom hardtails, Bimmers, Japanese cruisers and 3 sportbikes :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 14:47:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84IlJSi023760; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:47:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84IlIYH023750; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:47:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Iron Works? Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 14:47:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2002 18:47:11.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ACEA420:01C25443] Oh! They're over by the airpark, right? On the way to Rockville H-D/Battley cycle? I've seen them, but never stopped in. I did talk to a guy that does custom paint in that area a few years ago, though... Perry >From: Wayne Edelen >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Iron Works? >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:28:13 -0700 (PDT) > >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > Iron Works? > > > > More information, please? > > > > Perry > >Another list member told me that Iron Works (a custom bike shop) in G'burg >had a Weds evening hangout behind their shop. They grilled dogs/burgers >and occasionally had some of the Hooters chippies out there. I stopped by >a few weeks ago and it was a friendly, casual hangout. Lots of Harleys, a >few custom hardtails, Bimmers, Japanese cruisers and 3 sportbikes :-) > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 14:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84IpcSi023805; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:51:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84IpcJ8023799; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:51:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:49:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Iron Works? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020904114743.R5859-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > Oh! They're over by the airpark, right? On the way to Rockville H-D/Battley > cycle? > > I've seen them, but never stopped in. I did talk to a guy that does custom > paint in that area a few years ago, though... > > Perry Yep, that's the place. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 22:36:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g852aZSi026550; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:36:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g852aV5G026543; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:36:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904223518.009f0390@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:36:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jennifer_addie@XXXXXX, benbean23@XXXXXX, bilslatt@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX, whiskeycreek@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Today's Humor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A real product listed on Amazon.com Read the reviews!!!! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/toys/B00005NEBW/custome/102-1422555-5345705 -s- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 4 23:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8531NSi026722; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:01:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8531M7Y026712; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:01:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020904225903.02aaf4d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:59:46 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jennifer_addie@XXXXXX, benbean23@XXXXXX, bilslatt@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX, whiskeycreek@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Today's Humor In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904223518.009f0390@mail.mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:36 PM 9/4/02 -0400, Sean Jordan wrote: >A real product listed on Amazon.com > >Read the reviews!!!! > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/toys/B00005NEBW/custome/102-1422555-5345705 > >-s- Those reviews are hilarious! I bet my 13 year old son would like to meet those 12 year old Harry Potter fans . Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 06:36:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85Aa2Si029203; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:36:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85Aa1MF029193; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:36:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:35:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This should improve people's driving... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Hmm... I wonder if they have this for motorcycles too... "The Steering Wheel Table" http://www.egadgets.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?T1=TO+203 =) -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 08:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85CDKSi029717; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:13:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85CDJfR029710; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:13:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaxjauv14uR+Oxq8PFyeV/gDbsyZ2eHDj+4D2ob/pfSMN82WEGwe1fMVFYZRR4CWCA= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Today's Humor Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c254d5$9dd42b10$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020904225903.02aaf4d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Yeah, but he don't make the right noise. --jon (with apologies to Mojo Nixon) -----Bob wrote: At 10:36 PM 9/4/02 -0400, Sean Jordan wrote: >A real product listed on Amazon.com > >Read the reviews!!!! Those reviews are hilarious! I bet my 13 year old son would like to meet those 12 year old Harry Potter fans . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:19:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DJISi030210; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:19:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DJH8U030203; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:19:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: pete@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This should improve people's driving... Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:19:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2002 13:19:10.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[D254C940:01C254DE] Ohmygawd! Please tell me that's a joke. Please! Perry >From: Peter Hartzler >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: This should improve people's driving... >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:35:51 -0400 (EDT) > >Hmm... > >I wonder if they have this for motorcycles too... > >"The Steering Wheel Table" > >http://www.egadgets.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?T1=TO+203 > >=) > >-ph > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DMLSi030256; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:22:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DMLKB030248; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:22:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 06:21:54 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night reminder Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Just reminder that this Sunday Sept 8th is the last Bike Night of 2002 (and probably the last one that Mark and I do). CarPool in Arlington, VA. 6-10pm. Reserved motorcycle parking. Details and more info on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Hope to have a big crowd. Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:25:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DPtSi030305; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:25:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DPtDr030295; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:25:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Sep 2002 13:25:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Unfortunate X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >From the UnFairtax Journal - Wheelie responsible for cyclist's death A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while doing a wheelie was responsible for a crash that took his life, Fairfax County police said. Michael John Orapello, 37, was driving his 2001 Suzuki GSXR 1000 on New Braddock Road in the Centreville area about 8:30 p.m. Saturday when he crashed into a Ford pickup truck, which caused him to be thrown onto the roadway, police said. As Joseph Allen Siler Jr., 45, of Clifton, attempted to make a left turn on Singletons Way in his truck, Orapello hit him, police said. Upon further investigation, Orapello was speeding and was at fault for the accident, police said Tuesday. Siler was slightly injured. - CLARISSA SPASYK [Dave] Something in this doesn't quite add up... Sad to hear... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:30:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DUMSi030411; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:30:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DUMK9030403; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:30:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905133019.68186.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:30:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Unfortunate To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i've actually heard of a number of incidents in the past few years where a wheel-stand turned really ugly.... reaction time and ability to change course suffers when the front wheel is six feet in the air. hmmmm, i feel like i recognize that name..... --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > From the UnFairtax Journal - > > Wheelie responsible for cyclist's death > A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while doing a > wheelie was responsible for a crash that took his life, > Fairfax County police said. > Michael John Orapello, 37, was driving his 2001 > Suzuki GSXR 1000 on New Braddock Road in the Centreville > area about 8:30 p.m. Saturday when he crashed into a Ford > pickup truck, which caused him to be thrown onto the > roadway, police said. > As Joseph Allen Siler Jr., 45, of Clifton, attempted > to make a left turn on Singletons Way in his truck, > Orapello hit him, police said. Upon further > investigation, Orapello was speeding and was at fault for > the accident, police said Tuesday. > Siler was slightly injured. > - CLARISSA SPASYK > > [Dave] Something in this doesn't quite add up... Sad to > hear... > > Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DUNSi030433; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:30:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DUNaI030424; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:30:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Re: This should improve people's driving... Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:28:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230428CD29@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: This should improve people's driving... Thread-Index: AcJU4FjJCPr5HyfqQAuvFXcCOXQNsQ== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85DULSi030389 Actually, that could be handy for anyone who has to visit several clients during a workday and ends up eating and working in the car. Now if I saw someone using it while driving, I would have a problem with it. George >>> Perry Coleman 09/05/02 09:19AM >>> Ohmygawd! Please tell me that's a joke. Please! Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DaiSi030508; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:36:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85Daix4030500; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:36:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:35:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85DahSi030488 yea almost a failure to yeild to oncoming... but if your headlight is in the air...... can't blame the guy... especially at 8:30 at night is it dark or dusk or daylight? not to mention the law says yeild to oncoming no matter how far away but in practical terms.. if you're excessively speeding through an intersection, and you hit any vehicle in the roadway or entering the road way, for all practical and intensive purposes, ti's really your fault. I can't blame the truck driver. I might do "squidly" things but there is a time and place for everything, and the only thing an intersection is a time and place for, is to slow down and look for traffic... (with the occassional exception of a 1/4 mile race if no traffic is around). I think the police did the right thing in their investigation. Truck driver needs not to feel guilty cuz someone did something dangerous and was subject to the reprocussions. I'm not saying it is deserved or it isnt' sad. It's a shame is family has to feel the pain. Danny On 5 Sep 2002 13:25:52 -0000, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >From the UnFairtax Journal - > >Wheelie responsible for cyclist's death > A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while doing a wheelie was responsible for a crash that took his life, Fairfax County police said. > Michael John Orapello, 37, was driving his 2001 Suzuki GSXR 1000 on New Braddock Road in the Centreville area about 8:30 p.m. Saturday when he crashed into a Ford pickup truck, which caused him to be thrown onto the roadway, police said. > As Joseph Allen Siler Jr., 45, of Clifton, attempted to make a left turn on Singletons Way in his truck, Orapello hit him, police said. Upon further investigation, Orapello was speeding and was at fault for the accident, police said Tuesday. > Siler was slightly injured. > - CLARISSA SPASYK > >[Dave] Something in this doesn't quite add up... Sad to hear... > >Dave > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Powered by Wild On Web: >Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! >http://www.wildonweb.com >|Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >|Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:36:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DarSi030542; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:36:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DarDO030537; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:36:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: RE: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:36:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I hope this is not true. Mike was a friend and a good guy. He supported racers, had a nice salvaged bike business (I bought a couple of SV's from him along the way) and was a good rider (former racer). It doesn't seem like him to do this type of thing. My prayers go out to his family and friends. Danny -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unfortunate >From the UnFairtax Journal - Wheelie responsible for cyclist's death A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while doing a wheelie was responsible for a crash that took his life, Fairfax County police said. Michael John Orapello, 37, was driving his 2001 Suzuki GSXR 1000 on New Braddock Road in the Centreville area about 8:30 p.m. Saturday when he crashed into a Ford pickup truck, which caused him to be thrown onto the roadway, police said. As Joseph Allen Siler Jr., 45, of Clifton, attempted to make a left turn on Singletons Way in his truck, Orapello hit him, police said. Upon further investigation, Orapello was speeding and was at fault for the accident, police said Tuesday. Siler was slightly injured. - CLARISSA SPASYK [Dave] Something in this doesn't quite add up... Sad to hear... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/2002 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:37:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DbBSi030584; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:37:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DbAcB030571; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:37:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6800@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:37:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This sucks, but I hesitate to make judgements about the rider's actions knowing the bias most print media has in covering motorcycle issues. There was a similar post on the CBR list some time ago about a rider doing an extended wheelie but since it was at night, his headlight was pointed skyward and the left turning car driver never saw him. It was also ruled the cyclist's fault in that incident. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC If Milli Vanilli fell in the woods, would someone else make a sound ? >From the UnFairtax Journal - Wheelie responsible for cyclist's death A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while doing a wheelie was responsible for a crash that took his life, Fairfax County police said. Michael John Orapello, 37, was driving his 2001 Suzuki GSXR 1000 on New Braddock Road in the Centreville area about 8:30 p.m. Saturday when he crashed into a Ford pickup truck, which caused him to be thrown onto the roadway, police said. As Joseph Allen Siler Jr., 45, of Clifton, attempted to make a left turn on Singletons Way in his truck, Orapello hit him, police said. Upon further investigation, Orapello was speeding and was at fault for the accident, police said Tuesday. Siler was slightly injured. - CLARISSA SPASYK [Dave] Something in this doesn't quite add up... Sad to hear... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DcHSi030620; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:38:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DcGxJ030612; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:38:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:37:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> <20020905133019.68186.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020905133019.68186.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85DcFSi030594 I think the hurt report stated 1/3 of all bike accidents were wheelie related. Yep wheelies go wrong and have a good potential to put a seroius hurting on people. On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:30:19 -0700 (PDT), Tom Gimer wrote: >i've actually heard of a number of incidents in the past >few years where a wheel-stand turned really ugly.... >reaction time and ability to change course suffers when the >front wheel is six feet in the air. > >hmmmm, i feel like i recognize that name..... > > >--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >> From the UnFairtax Journal - >> >> Wheelie responsible for cyclist's death >> A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while doing a >> wheelie was responsible for a crash that took his life, >> Fairfax County police said. >> Michael John Orapello, 37, was driving his 2001 >> Suzuki GSXR 1000 on New Braddock Road in the Centreville >> area about 8:30 p.m. Saturday when he crashed into a Ford >> pickup truck, which caused him to be thrown onto the >> roadway, police said. >> As Joseph Allen Siler Jr., 45, of Clifton, attempted >> to make a left turn on Singletons Way in his truck, >> Orapello hit him, police said. Upon further >> investigation, Orapello was speeding and was at fault for >> the accident, police said Tuesday. >> Siler was slightly injured. >> - CLARISSA SPASYK >> >> [Dave] Something in this doesn't quite add up... Sad to >> hear... >> >> Dave > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DekSi030677; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:40:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85Dekx5030669; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:40:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jennifer_addie@XXXXXX, benbean23@XXXXXX, bilslatt@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX, whiskeycreek@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Today's Humor Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: <6lnenuoeh7h3mb790f8iugmv9a2boqao39@4ax.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904223518.009f0390@mail.mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904223518.009f0390@mail.mac.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85DejSi030657 ROTFL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:44:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DiJSi030775; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:44:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DiIvv030765; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:44:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905134415.83943.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Unfortunate To: danthompson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii that's exactly where i remember the name. collin fagan used to recommend him as a great source of racebikes and re-titled streetbikes. shit. --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I hope this is not true. Mike was a friend and a good > guy. He supported > racers, had a nice salvaged bike business (I bought a > couple of SV's from > him along the way) and was a good rider (former racer). > It doesn't seem like > him to do this type of thing. My prayers go out to his > family and friends. > Danny > > -----Original Message----- > From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:26 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Unfortunate > > > >From the UnFairtax Journal - > > Wheelie responsible for cyclist's death > A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while doing a > wheelie was > responsible for a crash that took his life, Fairfax > County police said. > Michael John Orapello, 37, was driving his 2001 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:44:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DihSi030803; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:44:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DihB1030797; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:44:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:43:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6800@NCEAEXCHANGE> In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6800@NCEAEXCHANGE> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85DigSi030785 Cedric, You don't think in the case you metioned, that it wsa the cyclists fault? We have to yeidl to oncoming, I find that okay, but we have to yeild to invisible traffic too? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DklSi030938; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:46:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DklWn030928; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:46:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZJKykYqxNWgcbGlW/Kmpbm58tIX8EoFbt+woE8BOG4/h1XLsQbhodX4EtzCHeBFlQ= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: FW: Advice from a Bandit list (stolen from a Hayabusa site) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:46:44 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01c254e2$ac7e84f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Entertaining at the least.... -----Original Message----- From: Tom Welch Ladies and Gentlemen...wear Leather. If I could offer you only one tip for improving your life, leather would be it. The long term benefits of leather have been proved by serious bikers over many highways and many years, whereas wearing something unreliable like shorts and flipflops means you will experience a trip to the emergency room. There, uncaring nurses will scrub gravel out of your wounds, and doctors will dispense ineffective painkillers and meaningless advice... like telling you to trade that 'murdercycle' in for a Camry. Bull****. I will dispense some real advice right now. Enjoy the power and beauty of your ride; If you don't already; you can fully enjoy it by doing block-long smokey burnouts in the parking lot at the local drive-in. Trust me, in 20 years you'll look back at the photos of you and your pals on your bikes and recall in a way you can't grasp now how much fun you had and how fabulous you really looked hauling ass down the highway dressed in leather. Leather is as sexy as you imagine. Don't worry about what your Mom thinks; or worry, but know that worrying about what other people think is as effective as trying to scratch your nose in a blinding hailstorm at 80 m.p.h. with a full- face helmet and winter gloves on. The real troubles in your life are apt to be Volvo stationwagons, driven by some dipstick talking into his cell phone or doing her makeup; the kind that blindside you at 4 PM on some urban roadway and then claim you crashed into THEM. Do one thing everyday that scares other drivers... Lanesplit. Sing into your helmet. Use mouthwash first. Don't be reckless with other people's bikes, especially if you don't have insurance. Don't put up with people who mess with yours.... in fact, beat them with a chain. Ride Fast. Don't waste your money on chrome, or fancy paintjobs; spend it on racing or partying. Sometimes you're fast, sometimes you're slow. Sometimes you're hungover. The ride is long, and in the end, a cold beer tastes pretty damn good. Remember the good rides you've had, forget the cuts and bruises; try to wear out the sides of your tires before the middle.... if you succeed in doing this, tell me how. Keep your oil changed, throw away old traffic citations. Take chances. Don't feel guilty if you ride faster than the posted limit ...the most interesting people I know didn't know at 22 how to ride conservatively, all he most interesting 40 year olds I know still don't. Get plenty of saddle time. Be kind to your passengers, you'll miss them if they fall off. Maybe you'll crash, maybe you won't, maybe you'll have surgery, maybe you won't, maybe you'll ride a cruiser off a cliff doing 40, maybe you'll get a new motocrosser for your 75th birthday ...whatever you ride, don't congratulate yourself too much - your choices are 90% foreign,10% domestic, so are everyone else's. Enjoy your bike, use it every way you can...don't be afraid of it, or what other people think of it, it's the greatest instrument of pleasure you'll ever own, not counting porn sites and a fast modem. Wrench... even if you have nowhere to do it but in your hotel room. Read the owner's manual, even tho' you won't remember any of it. Do not read American motorcycle magazines, they will only make you wish you'd bought a British one instead. Get to know your brake pads, you never know when they'll be gone for good. Be nice to your tires; they are your link to the pavement and the things most likely to save your butt from a nasty highside. Understand that mechanics comes and mechanics go, but for a precious talented few you should pay them well and buy them sixpacks. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle because the older your bike gets, the more you'll need the mechanic who worked on it when it was young and still not paid off. Ride in New York City once, but leave before you get killed; ride in Northern California whenever possible, but leave a plausible excuse when calling in sick for work. Do lurid wheelies. Accept certain inalienable truths prices will rise, traffic will get worse, you too will get old, and when you do you'll fantasize that when you were young, gasoline was cheap, the highway patrol couldn't catch you, and Harley owners weren't all yuppies. Respect your rev-limiter. Don't expect anyone else to see your bike unless it has really loud pipes. Maybe your bike has a big gas tank, maybe a smaller one; but remember, either way you'll have to make bathroom stops. Don't mess too much with your carburetors, or by the time your done, you'll be walking home. Be careful whose advice you buy, and save your receipts. Don't take advice from those who supply it for free, especially if they own a Britbike. Motorcycle restoration is a form of self-torture. Doing it is a way of pulling the past from the dustbin, degreasing it, painting over the rusty parts and dumping way more money into it than it's worth. But trust me on the leather... Stolen from Nick on www.suzukihayabusa.org ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:47:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DlnSi030969; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:47:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DlmZm030962; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:47:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905134746.10510.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: This should improve people's driving... To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230428CD29@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii it looked to me like access to and mobility of the steering wheel is inhibited by the design.... --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Actually, that could be handy for anyone who has to visit > several > clients > during a workday and ends up eating and working in the > car. > > Now if I saw someone using it while driving, I would have > a problem with > it. > > George > > >>> Perry Coleman 09/05/02 09:19AM >>> > Ohmygawd! Please tell me that's a joke. Please! > > Perry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:48:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DmFSi031003; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:48:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DmEYt030997; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:48:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Helmet report Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:47:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here's an article on the MC News website concerning modular helmets... http://www.mcnews.com/mcnews/articles/ModularHelmets1.pdf gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DnXSi031063; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:49:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DnXd5031054; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:49:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200209051349.g85DnVRK031036@dirty.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:37:03 EDT." <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6800@NCEAEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <31034.1031233771.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:49:31 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX >This sucks, but I hesitate to make judgements about the rider's actions >knowing the bias most print media has in covering motorcycle issues. There >was a similar post on the CBR list some time ago about a rider doing an >extended wheelie but since it was at night, his headlight was pointed >skyward and the left turning car driver never saw him. It was also ruled >the cyclist's fault in that incident. Maybe I'm being a bit cynical here, but when a motorcyclist is killed in a collision with a car/truck, and then declared to be at fault, it seems to me that the witness testimony leading to that conclusion is likely to have come from the car driver, who is highly motivated to deflect blame. The motorcyclist isn't in much of a position to refute any account given by the car driver. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:49:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DneSi031094; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:49:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DneWR031090; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:49:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: danthompson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:48:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2002 13:48:33.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECF7A570:01C254E2] I guess when there's only one witness left to give the account, he could say anything he wants to. So sad. Rest in peace. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "Danny Thompson" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: RE: Unfortunate >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:36:42 -0700 > >I hope this is not true. Mike was a friend and a good guy. He supported >racers, had a nice salvaged bike business (I bought a couple of SV's from >him along the way) and was a good rider (former racer). It doesn't seem >like >him to do this type of thing. My prayers go out to his family and friends. >Danny > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:55:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DtRSi031206; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:55:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DtQdW031198; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:55:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZMONaN9g6CWCecV0lq13wou7PNXj0bXqe/ByN/RnaUSW+bpZZjmjqquAV8tNuyYnQ= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:55:22 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c254e3$e23811f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal It is truly sad to hear this; but it is pathetic that the m/c-ist (quite experienced, apparently) gets blamed...and isn't around to defend himself. --jon -----sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >From the UnFairtax Journal - Wheelie responsible for cyclist's death A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while doing a wheelie was responsible for a crash that took his life, Fairfax County police said. Michael John Orapello, 37, was driving his 2001 Suzuki GSXR 1000 on New Braddock Road in the Centreville area about 8:30 p.m. Saturday when he crashed into a Ford pickup truck, which caused him to be thrown onto the roadway, police said. As Joseph Allen Siler Jr., 45, of Clifton, attempted to make a left turn on Singletons Way in his truck, Orapello hit him, police said. Upon further investigation, Orapello was speeding and was at fault for the accident, police said Tuesday. Siler was slightly injured. - CLARISSA SPASYK [Dave] Something in this doesn't quite add up... Sad to hear... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 09:58:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85DweSi031256; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:58:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85DweiV031246; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:58:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:58:33 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <014801c254e4$55a86090$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85DwdSi031234 I don't think that is a fair thing to say. The police aren't so na)Bïve. When a death or serious accident has occurred the accident reconstruction unit gets involved and they are very impressive (IMHO) about being able to determine what happened as far as speeds and events occurred. I doubt they would of put blame w/o good physical evidence or a 3rd party witness. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:gingerdc9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:49 AM > To: danthompson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Unfortunate > > > I guess when there's only one witness left to give the > account, he could say > anything he wants to. > So sad. > Rest in peace. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > >From: "Danny Thompson" > >Reply-To: > >To: > >Subject: RE: Unfortunate > >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:36:42 -0700 > > > >I hope this is not true. Mike was a friend and a good guy. > He supported > >racers, had a nice salvaged bike business (I bought a couple > of SV's from > >him along the way) and was a good rider (former racer). It > doesn't seem > >like > >him to do this type of thing. My prayers go out to his > family and friends. > >Danny > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85E1hSi031332; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:01:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85E1hbB031321; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:01:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 07:01:32 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 198.241.217.3 >A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while >doing a wheelie was responsible for a crash that >took his life, Fairfax County police said. Bummer I wheelied into a car once. Dented the passenger door and did something creative to my forks. Low speed, though... Bottom line - never trust a car and do your wheelies where there is no chance of cross traffic - there isn't a whole hell of a lot of control while one's front wheel is waving in the air. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85E3LSi031375; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:03:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85E3Kgf031368; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:03:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:02:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623042A202D@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Unfortunate Thread-Index: AcJU5PQnUCejDRa6TVSdmBZJaJ252w== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85E3JSi031350 Can some one post this in Non HTML format (ie text) It seems my company is filtering out HTML messages. Some are actually work related. George >>> sdave@XXXXXX 09/05/02 09:25AM >>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:03:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85E3MSi031403; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:03:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85E3M0f031399; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:03:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Cc: Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:02:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85E3LSi031372 Dag.. I was afraid to hear that he was a cool person... unfortunately too often it is the cool people. Someone ring the man upstairs and tell him to stop whoarding all the cool people. it's when the good peple go makes me think i should be sinful so i can keep on keeping on... On the other hand, i'm pretty sure it's uncomparibly (ok that's not a word is it) better to be up there than down here. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:05:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85E5gSi031461; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:05:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85E5gpW031451; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:05:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905100405.0232e728@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:05:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Unfortunate In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:01 AM 9/5/2002, Michael Jordan wrote: >Bottom line - never trust a car and do your wheelies where there is no chance >of cross traffic - there isn't a whole hell of a lot of control while one's >front wheel is waving in the air. New Braddock between Union Mill and 28 only has one cross street - the one where the accident occured. But the road is heavily trafficked. Bad idea (if he really was on one wheel). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:08:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85E8XSi031508; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:08:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85E8Xi4031496; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:08:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:07:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <014801c254e4$55a86090$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> In-Reply-To: <014801c254e4$55a86090$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85E8VSi031484 yes, and i have yet to see where it was said there was only one witness On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:58:33 -0400, "Jim McGonigle" wrote: > >I don't think that is a fair thing to say. The police aren't so naïve. >When a death or serious accident has occurred the accident >reconstruction unit gets involved and they are very impressive (IMHO) >about being able to determine what happened as far as speeds and events >occurred. I doubt they would of put blame w/o good physical evidence or >a 3rd party witness. > >-Jim > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:gingerdc9@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:49 AM >> To: danthompson@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Unfortunate >> >> >> I guess when there's only one witness left to give the >> account, he could say >> anything he wants to. >> So sad. >> Rest in peace. >> >> - Jeannette >> '86 VFR 700F2 >> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >> >> >From: "Danny Thompson" >> >Reply-To: >> >To: >> >Subject: RE: Unfortunate >> >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:36:42 -0700 >> > >> >I hope this is not true. Mike was a friend and a good guy. >> He supported >> >racers, had a nice salvaged bike business (I bought a couple >> of SV's from >> >him along the way) and was a good rider (former racer). It >> doesn't seem >> >like >> >him to do this type of thing. My prayers go out to his >> family and friends. >> >Danny >> > >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85EF3Si031594; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:15:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85EF3dM031584; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:15:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:14:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> <006001c254e3$e23811f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> In-Reply-To: <006001c254e3$e23811f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85EF2Si031572 One could argue that an experienced cyclist would never allow himself to be in such a situation... but no ones perfect, and people slip up, people have accidents... I'm not here trying to make any judgements on who was at fault, but I personally believe in the tenent of.. if you have an accdient, it's your fault, for not riding in a matter to prevent it. I mean a car turned right from the middle lane and jammed on it's brakes just as i was going to pass it... and yes legally it was her fault, but to my own high standards, I allowed my self to be in a position to be hit, and that is my fault. I also am working on this theory... of life and after life and the big man upstairs says "when we call you home to heaven, how do you want to come? You want to go out in glory gone wrong, or do you want to die in some type of boring way? when it's your time, it's your time, now how do you want to go?" and we give our answers.... and there ya go. How you get to heaven doesn't really matter as long as it isnt' slow and painful... long as we get there is what counts in my book. Frankly, the sooner the better... not that there aren't some wonderful joys in this world, such as motorcycling.. but i'm sure there are even more up there, plus all the people we miss... So sorry, that's my perspective... I'm a squid, i try not to endanger myself and others, but i try to have fun too.. I'll have my accidents, and when ti's my time it's my time... but I'll have fun and more importantly, do like everyone does, try to be safe as a first priority. danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85EHdSi031750; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:17:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85EHcLY031735; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:17:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:16:51 -0400 Message-ID: <2npenuoketvisg4gudr65qh1a15l32j4es@4ax.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905100405.0232e728@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905100405.0232e728@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85EHbSi031723 yep any road with a lot of traffic, especially undivided on coming traffic is just as bad as an intersection. A man in montgomery county died when a stunt went wrong and he went into an oncoming car.. So for those of us who love the stunts, I remind you to be mindful to make sure there is no traffic around when you do it. I mean SURE. run off room would be nice too.. cuz hitting a tree and dying is dying all the same. Be safe out there while enjoying and living. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:19:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85EJrSi031798; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:19:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85EJqGD031783; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:19:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom Gimer Cc: danthompson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4rpenugsu48nur3k47qfbfppvpclv6r50n@4ax.com> References: <20020905134415.83943.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020905134415.83943.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85EJpSi031766 Collin was an invaluable education to the list.. I look forward to him posting more some day... it's too bad the bad part of life is that death is a part of life and that we have to lose the blessings of the presence of good people. THat's the bad thing about extending how long we live or eternal life.. if your body lives forever on it's own, then the only way ot die is from accidents. that's not exactly and upside. On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:44:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Gimer wrote: >that's exactly where i remember the name. collin fagan >used to recommend him as a great source of racebikes and >re-titled streetbikes. > >shit. > > >--- Danny Thompson wrote: >> I hope this is not true. Mike was a friend and a good >> guy. He supported >> racers, had a nice salvaged bike business (I bought a >> couple of SV's from >> him along the way) and was a good rider (former racer). >> It doesn't seem like >> him to do this type of thing. My prayers go out to his >> family and friends. >> Danny >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:26 AM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Unfortunate >> >> >> >From the UnFairtax Journal - >> >> Wheelie responsible for cyclist's death >> A Vienna man speeding on his motorcycle while doing a >> wheelie was >> responsible for a crash that took his life, Fairfax >> County police said. >> Michael John Orapello, 37, was driving his 2001 > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:34:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85EY1Si031930; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:34:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85EY1R3031920; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:34:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Sep 2002 14:33:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905143359.21684.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unfortunate X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) "New Braddock Road in the Centreville area about 8:30 p.m. Saturday" [Dave] Wasn't it raining then ? It was at least dusk, and even the low beam - no matter where it was pointed - should've been visible. "Upon further investigation, Orapello was speeding and was at fault for the accident, police said Tuesday" [Dave] Probably went something like - "damn bubba, look how far that bike slid"... "definitely his fault"... just seems that something is amiss... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 10:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85EYaSi031958; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:34:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85EYZuM031952; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:34:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This should improve people's driving... Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:34:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2002 14:34:28.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[57119B40:01C254E9] Tom, If only I could believe that it would not be used when the vehicle is being operated. However, I'm inclined to think that it won't be long before some idiot-savant figures out how to use it while driving. I can see it now - Laptop with wireless NIC, streaming stock quotes, squirming porn and a Big Mac and Coke - all while weaving in and out of rush hour traffic on the Beltway at 80mph. Perry >From: Tom Gimer >To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: This should improve people's driving... >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:47:46 -0700 (PDT) > >it looked to me like access to and mobility of the steering >wheel is inhibited by the design.... > > >--- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > > Actually, that could be handy for anyone who has to visit > > several > > clients > > during a workday and ends up eating and working in the > > car. > > > > Now if I saw someone using it while driving, I would have > > a problem with > > it. > > > > George > > > > >>> Perry Coleman 09/05/02 09:19AM >>> > > Ohmygawd! Please tell me that's a joke. Please! > > > > Perry > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 11:22:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85FMsSi032281; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:22:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85FMrVu032273; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:22:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:20:37 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020905132552.8119.qmail@server445.gisol.com> <006001c254e3$e23811f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209051120371U.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 05 September 2002 10:14, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > One could argue that an experienced cyclist would never allow himself > to be in such a situation... but no ones perfect, and people slip up, > people have accidents... > On my way out this morning, I passed someone on a metric cruiser and he had what looked like slippers on; no socks, low cut, no laces. I waved and hit it. The curve just after the Gideon light on Dale Blvd heading to northbound is just too hard to avoid. One SUV in front, no one on the right, signal, pass, roll. Down curve to the left, up curve to the right, onramp to 95N. Not a sportbike twisty but exhilarating. In otherwords, in case it was missed. He wasn't dressed the best (IMHO) but my run down Dale Blvd wasn't all that much better even though I had gloves, vest and boots. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 11:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85FRqSi032331; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:27:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85FRpRa032324; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:27:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192764@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:28:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Vest? No pants? I'd be thinking the same thing you were thinking as I passed you, in my boots, pants, jacket, gloves, & full face. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:21 AM To: Motor PsychoL Danny; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate On Thursday 05 September 2002 10:14, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > One could argue that an experienced cyclist would never allow himself > to be in such a situation... but no ones perfect, and people slip up, > people have accidents... > On my way out this morning, I passed someone on a metric cruiser and he had what looked like slippers on; no socks, low cut, no laces. He wasn't dressed the best (IMHO) but my run down Dale Blvd wasn't all that much better even though I had gloves, vest and boots. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 11:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85Fb6Si032407; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:37:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85Fb6C7032401; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:37:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:36:58 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Rob Curtis Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Rob, Please contact me off list at my work email cpena@XXXXXX. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 11:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85FdFSi032470; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:39:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85FdFdr032461; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:39:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905153833.82104.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: RE: Unfortunate To: Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192764@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've actually seen guys on sportbikes wearing sandals, shorts, no shirt, no gloves, and a helmet. But not a full face helmet. More like the ones you see the Harley guys wearing, a.k.a. halfie/beanie cap or whatever else they're known as. Sounds like a recipe for www.rotten.com Nick --- Rich Hall wrote: > Vest? No pants? I'd be thinking the same thing you > were thinking as I > passed you, in my boots, pants, jacket, gloves, & > full face. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:21 AM > To: Motor PsychoL Danny; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Unfortunate > > On Thursday 05 September 2002 10:14, Motor PsychoL > Danny wrote: > > One could argue that an experienced cyclist would > never allow himself > > to be in such a situation... but no ones perfect, > and people slip up, > > people have accidents... > > > > On my way out this morning, I passed someone on a > metric cruiser and he had > what looked like slippers on; no socks, low cut, no > laces. > > He wasn't dressed the best (IMHO) but > my run down Dale Blvd wasn't all that much better > even though I had gloves, > vest and boots. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 11:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85FgpSi032650; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:42:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85FgpZ4032635; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:42:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:40:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192764@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192764@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209051140391V.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 05 September 2002 11:28, Rich Hall wrote: > Vest? No pants? I'd be thinking the same thing you were thinking as I > passed you, in my boots, pants, jacket, gloves, & full face. > I have to lose a couple of pounds first But I do have jeans on :/ and a full face. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 11:44:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85FitSi000332; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:44:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85FisgL000322; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:44:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD519276E@SERVER1> From: Damon Josue To: Nicholas Thompson , Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:45:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain The worst I saw was when driving back from Maine last year when two guys on sportsbikes, wearing Vans, no socks, shorts, no shirt, no helment while doing wheelies on a fairly heavily populated interstate. I was riding in the ole cage and looked over to my left and saw the wheelie go flying right by. Not much room for error if you ask me. -----Original Message----- From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:sfdaytona@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:39 AM To: Rich Hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unfortunate I've actually seen guys on sportbikes wearing sandals, shorts, no shirt, no gloves, and a helmet. But not a full face helmet. More like the ones you see the Harley guys wearing, a.k.a. halfie/beanie cap or whatever else they're known as. Sounds like a recipe for www.rotten.com Nick --- Rich Hall wrote: > Vest? No pants? I'd be thinking the same thing you > were thinking as I > passed you, in my boots, pants, jacket, gloves, & > full face. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:21 AM > To: Motor PsychoL Danny; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Unfortunate > > On Thursday 05 September 2002 10:14, Motor PsychoL > Danny wrote: > > One could argue that an experienced cyclist would > never allow himself > > to be in such a situation... but no ones perfect, > and people slip up, > > people have accidents... > > > > On my way out this morning, I passed someone on a > metric cruiser and he had > what looked like slippers on; no socks, low cut, no > laces. > > He wasn't dressed the best (IMHO) but > my run down Dale Blvd wasn't all that much better > even though I had gloves, > vest and boots. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 11:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85FuRSi000549; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:56:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85FuRuL000539; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:56:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D777FDD.732430ED@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:01:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This should improve people's driving... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry Coleman wrote: > Tom, > > If only I could believe that it would not be used when the vehicle is being > operated. However, I'm inclined to think that it won't be long before some > idiot-savant figures out how to use it while driving. > > I can see it now - Laptop with wireless NIC, streaming stock quotes, > squirming porn and a Big Mac and Coke - all while weaving in and out of rush > hour traffic on the Beltway at 80mph. Handheld sat systems that gave streaming stock qoutes were available in the `80s. One of my retired friends had one. While driving he'd be checking the LCD readout and gasp, "Oh shit, better call my broker and dump that loser!" I'd be digging my fingernails into the dash and going "RED LIGHT!" Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 12:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85G3TSi000753; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:03:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85G3T9I000745; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:03:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008c01c254f5$a54309f0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD519276E@SERVER1> Subject: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:02:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I'm coming in on Rt. 7 past Purceville in my truck, and I get behind a little red cage that won't get out of the left lane. I hate passing on the right. He then starts drifting further and further back from traffic. I see he is doing something. Then I see him turn the page on his newspaper. I was so pissed...I don't know why, but it really set me off. I passed on the right, and got back in the left lane as soon as I had a car length...then I tapped the brakes. I didn't slow down, just the lights were enough so I saw the newspaper go flying. Next time I'll take a deep breath and let it go. Ban cell phones? Hell, let me start a list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 12:08:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85G8pSi000914; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:08:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85G8pkG000904; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:08:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020905120819.009ec7d0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:09:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Unfortunate In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Mike J. wrote: >I wheelied into a car once. Dented the passenger door and did something >creative to my forks. I don't recall having heard this story before.... Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 12:10:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85GAeSi000974; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:10:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85GAdUL000963; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:10:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905161036.19202.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:10:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Today's Humor To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jennifer_addie@XXXXXX, benbean23@XXXXXX, bilslatt@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX, whiskeycreek@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904223518.009f0390@mail.mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sean: it's clear you were searching for something in particular. which did you eventually purchase for your throbbing sphincter? vibrator or broomstick? --- Sean Jordan wrote: > A real product listed on Amazon.com > > Read the reviews!!!! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/toys/B00005NEBW/custome/102-1422555-5345705 > > -s- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 12:23:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85GN7Si001320; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:23:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85GN7n8001310; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:23:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Sep 2002 16:23:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905162305.7060.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >I'm coming in on Rt. 7 past Purceville in my truck, and I get behind a >little red cage that won't get out of the left lane. I hate passing on the >right. He then starts drifting further and further back from traffic. I >see he is doing something. Then I see him turn the page on his newspaper. [Dave] Mucking Foron. >I was so pissed...I don't know why, but it really set me off. I passed on >the right, and got back in the left lane as soon as I had a car >length...then I tapped the brakes. I didn't slow down, just the lights were >enough so I saw the newspaper go flying. [Dave] G*d damn right you were bad, why didn't you at least put that idiot in the ditch ? You *were* in a truck... >Next time I'll take a deep breath and let it go. [Dave] Let what go... A few rounds through his windows I hope... >Ban cell phones? Hell, let me start a list. [Dave] It would be a big list... I've tried to be a good citizen (no really!), I've tried that silly #77 BS, ...It's worthless. Cops around here only want speeders, because that's where the money is. Dare I ask - what MAKE of cage it was ? Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 12:33:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85GXeSi001524; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:33:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85GXeQW001508; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:33:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:33:27 -0400 Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020905162305.7060.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Dare I ask - what MAKE of cage it was ? > My guess right now is a Volvo, even though I rarely see red Volvos. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 12:34:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85GY9Si001554; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:34:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85GY8lk001549; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:34:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905163406.34655.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020905162305.7060.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of stupid drivers, I was heading out to Centerville one night at 2 am and saw something funny as hell. I was in my cage and noticed a guy in a brand new Nissan Altima (had paper tags) driving in the left lane without his lights on. He wouldn't move, so i hopped over 2 lanes and passed him. I was only going about 65 or so and the next thing I know this bastard is right next to me (literally inches from my car) I swerve as he passes. Now for the best part... I see him drift off into the right shoulder (right passed the exit for route 50) and slam into the jersey wall. The kicker was, he didn't stop!! This dumb ass kept going. I then dialed that #77 BS and nothing ever happened. If I had been on my bike I wouldn't be here telling that story right now. People often try to take chances (stupid ones) and drive drunk, read while driving, or whatever. This is the culprit of the majority of accidents. Nick --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > >I'm coming in on Rt. 7 past Purceville in my truck, > and I get behind a > >little red cage that won't get out of the left > lane. I hate passing on the > >right. He then starts drifting further and further > back from traffic. I > >see he is doing something. Then I see him turn the > page on his newspaper. > > [Dave] Mucking Foron. > > > >I was so pissed...I don't know why, but it really > set me off. I passed on > >the right, and got back in the left lane as soon as > I had a car > >length...then I tapped the brakes. I didn't slow > down, just the lights were > >enough so I saw the newspaper go flying. > > [Dave] G*d damn right you were bad, why didn't you > at least put that idiot in the ditch ? You *were* > in a truck... > > > >Next time I'll take a deep breath and let it go. > > [Dave] Let what go... A few rounds through his > windows I hope... > > >Ban cell phones? Hell, let me start a list. > > [Dave] It would be a big list... > > I've tried to be a good citizen (no really!), I've > tried that silly #77 BS, ...It's worthless. Cops > around here only want speeders, because that's where > the money is. > > Dare I ask - what MAKE of cage it was ? > > Dave > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Powered by Wild On Web: > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from > Anywhere in the World! > http://www.wildonweb.com > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 12:34:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85GYTSi001607; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:34:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85GYT4x001601; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:34:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Gary Foreman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... In-Reply-To: <008c01c254f5$a54309f0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Gary Foreman wrote: > see he is doing something. Then I see him turn the page on his newspaper. > I was so pissed...I don't know why, but it really set me off. I passed on > the right, and got back in the left lane as soon as I had a car > length...then I tapped the brakes. I didn't slow down, just the lights were > enough so I saw the newspaper go flying. > That reminds me of a little fun a friend and I would have back in high school. We'd take his moms car out, I'd duck down in the passenger seat, enough to not be seen, but I could still see the road. He'd break out a map hold it up, blocking his view, with no hands on the wheel, I'd drive from the passenger side (I could reach the brake and gas and steer without any problems. People would honk, yell, etc. Priceless memories of stupidity! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 12:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85GlSSi002036; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:47:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85GlSwF002029; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:47:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Stephen Miller'" , Subject: RE: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:47:19 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <01c701c254fb$e9459090$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I thought the same but Volvo drivers are usually just very bad drivers and don't usually do as much of the cell phone/newspaper thing IMO. My guess would be a SUV or Mercedes. One of those types that think the highway was built for them... -Jim PS Is there a prize for winning? > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Miller [mailto:freecat@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:33 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... > > > > > > > Dare I ask - what MAKE of cage it was ? > > > > My guess right now is a Volvo, even though I rarely see red Volvos. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:08:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85H81Si002272; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:08:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85H814C002262; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:08:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020905130729.009f93b0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:08:11 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Today's Humor In-Reply-To: <20020905161036.19202.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904223518.009f0390@mail.mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Gimer wrote: >sean: it's clear you were searching for something in >particular. which did you eventually purchase for your >throbbing sphincter? vibrator or broomstick? Hardy har har! This link was posted on the WERA BBS. (The poster on said BBS claims to have found it on yet another BBS.) Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85HGoSi002473; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:16:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85HGnph002463; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:16:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Damon Josue Cc: Nicholas Thompson , Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:16:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD519276E@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD519276E@SERVER1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85HGmSi002451 you know i ws going to say, technichally if you dont' fall off you dont need any gear... but who's to predict when you will and won't need it.. but shoot if you're going to add wheelies on the interstate to the equation, let's just say... pain and suffering waiting to happen. >sportsbikes, wearing Vans, no socks, shorts, no shirt, no helment while >doing wheelies on a fairly heavily populated interstate. I was riding in >the ole cage and looked over to my left and saw the wheelie go flying right >by. Not much room for error if you ask me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85HIjSi002628; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:18:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85HIjWZ002618; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:18:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Gary Foreman" Cc: Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:18:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3c4fnu4m8b18111d0viodpnldk2llcm7eb@4ax.com> References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD519276E@SERVER1> <008c01c254f5$a54309f0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> In-Reply-To: <008c01c254f5$a54309f0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85HIhSi002601 Oh i thought you were going to say you assulted the car or driver.. hehe that was pretty good if you ask me... of course if you ask me what was warranted, shoulda followed him ot a light, and asked him fi he's going ot read or drive, don't do both. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:30:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85HUuSi002879; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:30:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85HUtXW002869; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:30:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905173051.84925.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Today's Humor To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020905130729.009f93b0@mail.mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Gimer wrote: > > >sean: it's clear you were searching for something in > >particular. which did you eventually purchase for your > >throbbing sphincter? vibrator or broomstick? > > > Hardy har har! > > This link was posted on the WERA BBS. (The poster on said > BBS claims to have found it on yet another BBS.) finger pointing?!?! oh how the mighty have fallen.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:31:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85HV1Si002918; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:31:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85HV1FZ002903; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:31:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:30:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020905162305.7060.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: <20020905162305.7060.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85HUxSi002889 Oh it was a truck? Shoot, i'd say do a traffic check, no one around.. yea.. jam on brakes and let that idiot rear end the truck... Oh by the way I was riding my 95 zx6r friday night... with some of my friends.. (in dc, around 14th and q headed downtown) we go to a red light.. the light turns green.. we pull off.. my bike stalls out.. I hit the start button, and am about to pull off again when there is a blaring horn behind me... for about 4 to 6 seconds and some woman yelling at me... so what do I do? I do what i always do when someone wants to be a jerk behind me, I slow down and make them wait even more... so I tap my brake just enough for the brake light to come on, and intend to turn around and play stupid putting my arm in the air and say " what? " but you know what happens.. 2 seconds later after this dumb bitch gets off her horn, and midway as i'm starting to turn around, the dumb bitch rear ends me at like 5 mph.. so the bumber like crams the back wheel makin the bike halt and fall over.. The pipe goes up into her grill and I just step off the bike as it falls. I can't tell you how good that actually made me feel cuz i know SHE HIT ME, her rates will go up, and her insurance company will be paying me money that goes to my pocket (and i already got spare parts). So the bitch pulls over.. acts like it's my fault. what a stupid bitch. So I was like yea, you want to fuss and honk, you caused this accdient, write your insurance info down, YOUR RATES are gonna go up. so she calls the police "can i get some help" and as soon as she said that an undercover car pulled up with two female officers. The dumb bitch never even asked if i was okay, and was whining about her car. The cops told her to get back in her car and gave her ass four tickets and were hanging out with us discussing how repulsive the driver was. Any accident where i'm not hurt, cuased by someone else, i'm happy cuz that means more thousands to my bank account (since my bikes are paid for). Score one for my pockets, score -1 for dumb ass impatient sorry ass driver! Oh yea it looked like she was holding her temple like she had a headache. heh heh heh. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:32:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85HWtSi003162; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:32:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85HWtgN003154; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:32:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:32:10 -0400 Message-ID: <685fnug15srcm7jj9d156thhbisoj3js9m@4ax.com> References: <20020905162305.7060.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: <20020905162305.7060.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85HWsSi003142 Oh yea.. one more thing, the bitch was on her way to a club.. so she ruined her own night. what a dumb ass. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85HalSi003354; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:36:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85HalPn003344; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:36:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905173645.27657.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... To: Motor PsychoL Danny , sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <685fnug15srcm7jj9d156thhbisoj3js9m@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It could have been worse, at least you weren't hurt!! Dude, you should so file a suit against her. Nick --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Oh yea.. one more thing, the bitch was on her way to > a club.. > > so she ruined her own night. what a dumb ass. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:46:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85HkeSi003480; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:46:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85HkeC5003470; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:46:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905174638.26843.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... To: Nicholas Thompson , Motor PsychoL Danny , sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020905173645.27657.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Nicholas Thompson wrote: > It could have been worse, at least you weren't hurt!! > > Dude, you should so file a suit against her. for what? he just told 300+ people that he wasn't injured. > --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > Oh yea.. one more thing, the bitch was on her way to > > a club.. > > > > so she ruined her own night. what a dumb ass. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85HsvSi003592; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:54:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85Hsu2P003581; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:54:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:54:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2002 17:54:49.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[54240780:01C25505] Danny, Sounds like a lot of new, factory, tupperware and a replacement, titanium hi-mount. Oh, and I'll bet your rear wheel got tweaked - and you know you can't really repair them - you'll need a new one. Of course, if she tweaked your rear wheel, you'll need new bearings, probably a new sprocket (which means a new chain and front sprocket, also.) I'm sure there are other billet brackets, etc. that are ruined as well. Sounds like payday, to me. Perry >From: Motor PsychoL Danny >To: sdave@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... >Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:30:15 -0400 > > >Oh it was a truck? Shoot, i'd say do a traffic check, no one around.. >yea.. jam on brakes and let that idiot rear end the truck... > > >Oh by the way I was riding my 95 zx6r friday night... with some of my >friends.. (in dc, around 14th and q headed downtown) we go to a red >light.. the light turns green.. we pull off.. my bike stalls out.. I >hit the start button, and am about to pull off again when there is a >blaring horn behind me... for about 4 to 6 seconds and some woman >yelling at me... > >so what do I do? I do what i always do when someone wants to be a >jerk behind me, I slow down and make them wait even more... so I >tap my brake just enough for the brake light to come on, and intend to >turn around and play stupid putting my arm in the air and say " what? >" > >but you know what happens.. 2 seconds later after this dumb bitch >gets off her horn, and midway as i'm starting to turn around, the dumb >bitch rear ends me at like 5 mph.. so the bumber like crams the back >wheel makin the bike halt and fall over.. The pipe goes up into her >grill and I just step off the bike as it falls. > >I can't tell you how good that actually made me feel cuz i know SHE >HIT ME, her rates will go up, and her insurance company will be paying >me money that goes to my pocket (and i already got spare parts). > >So the bitch pulls over.. acts like it's my fault. what a stupid >bitch. So I was like yea, you want to fuss and honk, you caused this >accdient, write your insurance info down, YOUR RATES are gonna go up. > >so she calls the police "can i get some help" and as soon as she said >that an undercover car pulled up with two female officers. The dumb >bitch never even asked if i was okay, and was whining about her car. >The cops told her to get back in her car and gave her ass four tickets >and were hanging out with us discussing how repulsive the driver was. > >Any accident where i'm not hurt, cuased by someone else, i'm happy >cuz that means more thousands to my bank account (since my bikes are >paid for). Score one for my pockets, score -1 for dumb ass impatient >sorry ass driver! > >Oh yea it looked like she was holding her temple like she had a >headache. heh heh heh. > > > >Danny _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 13:59:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85HxdSi003675; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:59:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85Hxcu5003666; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:59:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905175936.13554.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:59:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: '98 VTR for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My baby is going up for sale. I've decided to get a standard SV650 and "trick it out." I don't really need the VTR's power for street riding and I would also like something more comfortable - hopefully someone here will feel differently! :^) 1998 VTR1000f Red 30k miles (approx.) Race-Tech fork springs Race-Tech gold valves Sargent World Sport seat (stock seat also) Stock pipes w/ bafflectomy (sound great) Tinted windscreen - dark smoke New brake pads front and rear (installed last night) Oil changes every 3k miles w/ Mobil 1 synthetic GenMar Bar Risers Gel grips Tank bra Condition is very good but with occasional small scratches normal for a bike of this age/mileage. Never wrecked. Clean title currently in the mail from paid-off finance company. I am the original owner. Bike was purchased in Spring of '99 at Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg. I'm asking for $5400 or best offer. Cheers, Chris Weaver dccycles.com webmaster __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 14:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85I6xSi003812; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:06:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85I6wD9003803; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:06:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:06:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85I6vSi003791 yea it wobbles at 90 and there are scratches on my frame! chaching! :) On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:54:49 -0400, "Perry Coleman" wrote: >Danny, > >Sounds like a lot of new, factory, tupperware and a replacement, titanium >hi-mount. Oh, and I'll bet your rear wheel got tweaked - and you know you >can't really repair them - you'll need a new one. Of course, if she tweaked >your rear wheel, you'll need new bearings, probably a new sprocket (which >means a new chain and front sprocket, also.) I'm sure there are other billet >brackets, etc. that are ruined as well. > >Sounds like payday, to me. > >Perry > >>From: Motor PsychoL Danny >>To: sdave@XXXXXX >>CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... >>Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:30:15 -0400 >> >> >>Oh it was a truck? Shoot, i'd say do a traffic check, no one around.. >>yea.. jam on brakes and let that idiot rear end the truck... >> >> >>Oh by the way I was riding my 95 zx6r friday night... with some of my >>friends.. (in dc, around 14th and q headed downtown) we go to a red >>light.. the light turns green.. we pull off.. my bike stalls out.. I >>hit the start button, and am about to pull off again when there is a >>blaring horn behind me... for about 4 to 6 seconds and some woman >>yelling at me... >> >>so what do I do? I do what i always do when someone wants to be a >>jerk behind me, I slow down and make them wait even more... so I >>tap my brake just enough for the brake light to come on, and intend to >>turn around and play stupid putting my arm in the air and say " what? >>" >> >>but you know what happens.. 2 seconds later after this dumb bitch >>gets off her horn, and midway as i'm starting to turn around, the dumb >>bitch rear ends me at like 5 mph.. so the bumber like crams the back >>wheel makin the bike halt and fall over.. The pipe goes up into her >>grill and I just step off the bike as it falls. >> >>I can't tell you how good that actually made me feel cuz i know SHE >>HIT ME, her rates will go up, and her insurance company will be paying >>me money that goes to my pocket (and i already got spare parts). >> >>So the bitch pulls over.. acts like it's my fault. what a stupid >>bitch. So I was like yea, you want to fuss and honk, you caused this >>accdient, write your insurance info down, YOUR RATES are gonna go up. >> >>so she calls the police "can i get some help" and as soon as she said >>that an undercover car pulled up with two female officers. The dumb >>bitch never even asked if i was okay, and was whining about her car. >>The cops told her to get back in her car and gave her ass four tickets >>and were hanging out with us discussing how repulsive the driver was. >> >>Any accident where i'm not hurt, cuased by someone else, i'm happy >>cuz that means more thousands to my bank account (since my bikes are >>paid for). Score one for my pockets, score -1 for dumb ass impatient >>sorry ass driver! >> >>Oh yea it looked like she was holding her temple like she had a >>headache. heh heh heh. >> >> >> >>Danny > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 14:21:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85ILKSi003961; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:21:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85ILKYo003953; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:21:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C308@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:19:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am with you - take the deep breath... I used to similiar stuff in the past, but I am trying not to give in to the urge anymore... It's getting f*cking dangerous out there... A week or so back, I saw what I considered a REAALLLY bad case or road rage... I am tooling along on a 4 lane divided highway (with traffic lights every mile to 1 1/2 miles), when this dude in a beater ford probe passes me on the left hand shoulder (I was going with the flow of traffic - no possible way to go any faster). When he runs out of shoulder he delibrately swerves left into the grassy median (ass end almost breaks loose and could have gone into on coming traffic) and he delibrately rams a guy in a toyota tercel. I was stunned - it was definately delibrate... By the time I turned around (about a mile till I could turn around) a cop was already pulling up to the scene. Apparently, the guy in the tercel threw and hit the driver of the probe with a coke can though an open window. The probe driver (young looking dude) thought he was perfectly justified in running the other guy down and crashing into him. I don't know what started it or who started it or who is right, but I don't want to be on the road with people who let their frustrations get the better of them and take it to that kind of extreme.. I am definately not a prince and have been faaaar from perfect in my behaivor on the road, but jeeeez people are taking it kind of far when they start throwing crap out windows and ramming into people.. I am definately going to try and take a deep breathe and let it go in the future... Jason -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 9/5/02 12:02 PM Subject: I was bad this morning... I'm coming in on Rt. 7 past Purceville in my truck, and I get behind a little red cage that won't get out of the left lane. I hate passing on the right. He then starts drifting further and further back from traffic. I see he is doing something. Then I see him turn the page on his newspaper. I was so pissed...I don't know why, but it really set me off. I passed on the right, and got back in the left lane as soon as I had a car length...then I tapped the brakes. I didn't slow down, just the lights were enough so I saw the newspaper go flying. Next time I'll take a deep breath and let it go. Ban cell phones? Hell, let me start a list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 14:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85INsSi004037; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:23:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85INr0u004026; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:23:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51927B1@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:24:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Where was this? -----Original Message----- From: Jason Picton [mailto:j_picton@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:19 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' Subject: RE: I was bad this morning... I am with you - take the deep breath... I used to similiar stuff in the past, but I am trying not to give in to the urge anymore... It's getting f*cking dangerous out there... A week or so back, I saw what I considered a REAALLLY bad case or road rage... I am tooling along on a 4 lane divided highway (with traffic lights every mile to 1 1/2 miles), when this dude in a beater ford probe passes me on the left hand shoulder (I was going with the flow of traffic - no possible way to go any faster). When he runs out of shoulder he delibrately swerves left into the grassy median (ass end almost breaks loose and could have gone into on coming traffic) and he delibrately rams a guy in a toyota tercel. I was stunned - it was definately delibrate... By the time I turned around (about a mile till I could turn around) a cop was already pulling up to the scene. Apparently, the guy in the tercel threw and hit the driver of the probe with a coke can though an open window. The probe driver (young looking dude) thought he was perfectly justified in running the other guy down and crashing into him. I don't know what started it or who started it or who is right, but I don't want to be on the road with people who let their frustrations get the better of them and take it to that kind of extreme.. I am definately not a prince and have been faaaar from perfect in my behaivor on the road, but jeeeez people are taking it kind of far when they start throwing crap out windows and ramming into people.. I am definately going to try and take a deep breathe and let it go in the future... Jason -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 9/5/02 12:02 PM Subject: I was bad this morning... I'm coming in on Rt. 7 past Purceville in my truck, and I get behind a little red cage that won't get out of the left lane. I hate passing on the right. He then starts drifting further and further back from traffic. I see he is doing something. Then I see him turn the page on his newspaper. I was so pissed...I don't know why, but it really set me off. I passed on the right, and got back in the left lane as soon as I had a car length...then I tapped the brakes. I didn't slow down, just the lights were enough so I saw the newspaper go flying. Next time I'll take a deep breath and let it go. Ban cell phones? Hell, let me start a list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 14:46:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85IkiSi004260; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:46:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85IkhMu004250; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:46:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Jason Picton , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:44:26 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C308@wash58.acs.org> In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C308@wash58.acs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02090514442621.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Someone threw two beer bottles at me about, geeze, 15 years ago. It's a class four felony in VA. Since I had my "Car Wars: Autodueling" bumper sticker on my car, they tried to say I started it. I had to bring my Car Wars game in to the prosecuter and explain the _board_game_ to him. The best part was in court. They brought some Alexandria high priced lawyer down to Stafford. When he popped up in court at something the prosecuter said, the judge told him to shut up and sit down. The guy who admitted to throwing the bottles got 45 days in the county slammer. At the time, I was driving home with my (ex-)wife, her brother, and my two kids in a blue fairmont. We had just got on 95N from Rt 3 in F'burg. I merged over into the left lane and settled down for a ride to Stafford, two exits away. An old lady was blocking the left lane so the car in front of me moved over and passed on the right. I moved over and passed and moved back to the left lane. About a minute later, I noticed a brown car towing a boat in the center lane swaying badly and slowing gaining. I said to my wife, "if you want to see someone crazy, check out the guys coming up on the center lane." As they moved next to us, we noticed they were cursing and yelling at us. We were totally puzzled as they slowed down. Next a white car moved from the right lane to in front of us. The passenger opened the door, leaned out, and threw a green bigmouthed beer bottle at the car. At the same time, the driver slammed on the brakes. Beer all over the windshield, us ducking, and the guy hitting the brakes and we tapped the rear of his car. I moved over to the center lane, they slowed down. As I yelled over to them "What are you doing?!", the guy threw another bottle at us hitting the center post of the window raining beer and glass into the car. I ducked, swerved and hit his right side. We moved over to the left to exchange information (automatic reaction). Before I had a chance to do anything but put it into park, the driver hopped out yelling that I'd hit his car. He reached in and grabbed my shirt. I leaned to the right to get away and moved the car into drive slowly moving out. I found out later that my brother in law had stepped out of the car when we stopped. As I'm moving forward, the brown car with the boat had pulled up ahead of the white car. The two guys hopped out and were coming back. I slowed down enough to let Chad in and then accelerated. They moved out of the way. Good thing as I wasn't stopping. I pulled into the sherrif's station and let them know what was going on. Later I found that a state cop was driving south at the time. He turned around and came back up to the scene. The driver had driven off to catch me (him in a newish looking white car, me with 4 other people in a Fairmont). the guy in the white car drove down the last exit and stopped then walked to the accident scene. The cop said that they were all so drunk he was going to arrest them all for public drunkeness but didn't. Afterwards, we found out they thought we were someone else they were having a freeway feud with from the Thorton exit (they had spent the day on Lake Anna). I explained that we were coming from my mom's house after helping her all day because my dad had just died a few days prior and that we got on at Rt 3. Whew, I didn't think I was going to write that much. Sorry about that folks. Carl, who normally just moves over and lets them by. On Thursday 05 September 2002 14:19, Jason Picton wrote: > I am with you - take the deep breath... I used to similiar stuff in the > past, but I am trying not to give in to the urge anymore... It's getting > f*cking dangerous out there... > > A week or so back, I saw what I considered a REAALLLY bad case or road > rage... I am tooling along on a 4 lane divided highway (with traffic lights > every mile to 1 1/2 miles), when this dude in a beater ford probe passes me > on the left hand shoulder (I was going with the flow of traffic - no > possible way to go any faster). When he runs out of shoulder he delibrately > swerves left into the grassy median (ass end almost breaks loose and could > have gone into on coming traffic) and he delibrately rams a guy in a toyota > tercel. > > I was stunned - it was definately delibrate... By the time I turned around > (about a mile till I could turn around) a cop was already pulling up to the > scene. > > Apparently, the guy in the tercel threw and hit the driver of the probe > with a coke can though an open window. The probe driver (young looking > dude) thought he was perfectly justified in running the other guy down and > crashing into him. I don't know what started it or who started it or who is > right, but I don't want to be on the road with people who let their > frustrations get the better of them and take it to that kind of extreme.. > > I am definately not a prince and have been faaaar from perfect in my > behaivor on the road, but jeeeez people are taking it kind of far when they > start throwing crap out windows and ramming into people.. > > I am definately going to try and take a deep breathe and let it go in the > future... > > Jason > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: 9/5/02 12:02 PM > Subject: I was bad this morning... > > I'm coming in on Rt. 7 past Purceville in my truck, and I get behind a > little red cage that won't get out of the left lane. I hate passing on > the > right. He then starts drifting further and further back from traffic. > I > see he is doing something. Then I see him turn the page on his > newspaper. > I was so pissed...I don't know why, but it really set me off. I passed > on > the right, and got back in the left lane as soon as I had a car > length...then I tapped the brakes. I didn't slow down, just the lights > were > enough so I saw the newspaper go flying. > > Next time I'll take a deep breath and let it go. > > Ban cell phones? Hell, let me start a list. -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 14:54:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85IsrSi004358; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:54:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85IsqKc004348; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:54:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Sep 2002 18:54:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905185451.30533.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: I was bad this morning... X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >I am with you - take the deep breath... ... I am tooling along on a 4 lane divided highway (with traffic lights >every mile to 1 1/2 miles), when this dude in a beater ford probe passes me >on the left hand shoulder (I was going with the flow of traffic - no >possible way to go any faster). When he runs out of shoulder he delibrately >swerves left into the grassy median (ass end almost breaks loose and could >have gone into on coming traffic) and he delibrately rams a guy in a toyota >tercel. >I was stunned - it was definately delibrate... By the time I turned around >(about a mile till I could turn around) a cop was already pulling up to the >scene. >Apparently, the guy in the tercel threw and hit the driver of the probe with >a coke can though an open window. [Dave] In VA, we have - )B§ 18.2-154. Shooting at or throwing missiles, etc., at train, car, vessel, etc.; penalty. Any person who maliciously shoots at, or maliciously throws any missile at or against, any train or cars on any railroad or other transportation company or any vessel or other watercraft, or any motor vehicle or other vehicles when occupied by one or more persons, whereby the life of any person on such train, car, vessel, or other watercraft, or in such motor vehicle or other vehicle, may be put in peril, shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony. In the event of the death of any such person, resulting from such malicious shooting or throwing, the person so offending shall be deemed guilty of murder, the degree to be determined by the jury or the court trying the case without a jury.... With good freakin' reason too, as said coke can could easily result in the death of you, your passengers, and possibly innocent bystanders. The probe driver (young looking dude) >thought he was perfectly justified in running the other guy down and >crashing into him. [Dave] Here's the rub, I'll bet the cops (wrongly) said something to the effect of 'if we didn't see it, we can't arrest them for it', hauled off Mr. Probe driver & let Mr. Tercel driver go... I don't know what started it or who started it or who is >right, but I don't want to be on the road with people who let their >frustrations get the better of them and take it to that kind of extreme.. [Dave] Glad you didn't get tangled up in it.. The 'Me 1st' driving attitude around here is ridiculous. I've been to a few major cities in my day, including, but not limited to NY, Philly, Pittsburgh, Boston, Seattle, Charlotte, and all of them put together don't equal the rudeness of the typical DC Metro driver. Seattle was laughable - yes I'm talking about their alleged rush hour (if you can call it that). I almost didn't know how to drive there, everyone was actually polite. They could even - get this - drive in the rain ! Even their taxicab drivers. >I am definately not a prince and have been faaaar from perfect in my >behaivor on the road, but jeeeez people are taking it kind of far when they >start throwing crap out windows and ramming into people.. [Dave] We've all had our moments. I distinctly remember the infamous DCC 'cage kicking' thread a few years back (anyone remember who that was?) >I am definately going to try and take a deep breathe and let it go in the >future... [Dave] a few laps at AllsportGP, or double tapping a b27 until there's nothing but a giant hole in the center works great at relieving tension... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:02:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85J2pSi004479; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:02:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85J2oQS004469; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:02:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:02:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2002 19:02:43.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[D02D2D80:01C2550E] Looks like there was more to the story. >From another list: This was my good friend - and some here may have known Mike or knew of him. He sold used bikes out of Clifton, VA - specializing in sportbikes and track bikes. He was an independent auto dealer as well, dealing in mainly Mercedes and BMWs. He was killed on a GSXR1000, as his girlfriend followed on her VFR and another rider followed. They had just finished riding for the night and on their way home. I had elected to skip the ride and we were going to meet up down town when they finished. Mike had been riding for over a decade and never had a street accident until this one. He came over a small hill, to an intersection that had set the lights to "blinking" and the truck made the left in front of him. He was killed instantly, albeit perhaps one of the most violent accidents imaginable. His funeral will be in upstate NY at the end of the week, but there are plans to have a local memorial here in the area. If you knew Mike and would like more information about local services, please email me - kierball@y... and I will pass them along to you when they are set. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85J7RSi004557; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:07:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85J7Qpp004544; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:07:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:07:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... In-Reply-To: <02090514442621.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Since I had my "Car Wars: Autodueling" bumper sticker on my car, they > tried to say I started it. I had to bring my Car Wars game in to the > prosecuter and explain the _board_game_ to him. Heh. That'd be easier these days: they've just released a new (and much simpler) edition. Even lawyers could probably understand it. Fish. drive offensively, brother From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:17:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85JHBSi004648; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:17:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85JHBNL004638; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:17:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905151625.0228c138@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:17:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: RE: I was bad this morning... In-Reply-To: <20020905185451.30533.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:54 PM 9/5/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >[Dave] We've all had our moments. I distinctly remember the infamous DCC >'cage kicking' thread a few years back (anyone remember who that was?) I scanned the archives but 'cage' and 'boot' were not productive. I did find this tasty morsel though. http://www.dccycles.com/arch/01/07/jul00671 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85JHcSi004679; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:17:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85JHcD8004675; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:17:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Jason Picton Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:16:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C308@wash58.acs.org> In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C308@wash58.acs.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85JHbSi004658 Yea he shoulda followed him to a destination and proceded to do a tire iron brain check. ok ok ok he shoulda called the police and followed him and had him arrested for road rage. option #1 sounds like more fun tho >Apparently, the guy in the tercel threw and hit the driver of the probe with >a coke can though an open window. The probe driver (young looking dude) >thought he was perfectly justified in running the other guy down and From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:23:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85JN9Si004923; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:23:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85JN9tN004914; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:23:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C308@wash58.acs.org> <02090514442621.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <02090514442621.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85JN8Si004902 45 days for something which could have killed several people and children and group drunk driving... yea VA needed to get tougher... On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:44:26 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: >Someone threw two beer bottles at me about, geeze, 15 years ago. It's a class >four felony in VA. Since I had my "Car Wars: Autodueling" bumper sticker on >my car, they tried to say I started it. I had to bring my Car Wars game in to >the prosecuter and explain the _board_game_ to him. > >The best part was in court. They brought some Alexandria high priced lawyer >down to Stafford. When he popped up in court at something the prosecuter >said, the judge told him to shut up and sit down. > >The guy who admitted to throwing the bottles got 45 days in the county >slammer. > >At the time, I was driving home with my (ex-)wife, her brother, and my two >kids in a blue fairmont. We had just got on 95N from Rt 3 in F'burg. I merged >over into the left lane and settled down for a ride to Stafford, two exits >away. An old lady was blocking the left lane so the car in front of me moved >over and passed on the right. I moved over and passed and moved back to the >left lane. About a minute later, I noticed a brown car towing a boat in the >center lane swaying badly and slowing gaining. I said to my wife, "if you >want to see someone crazy, check out the guys coming up on the center lane." > >As they moved next to us, we noticed they were cursing and yelling at us. We >were totally puzzled as they slowed down. Next a white car moved from the >right lane to in front of us. The passenger opened the door, leaned out, and >threw a green bigmouthed beer bottle at the car. At the same time, the driver >slammed on the brakes. Beer all over the windshield, us ducking, and the guy >hitting the brakes and we tapped the rear of his car. > >I moved over to the center lane, they slowed down. As I yelled over to them >"What are you doing?!", the guy threw another bottle at us hitting the center >post of the window raining beer and glass into the car. I ducked, swerved and >hit his right side. > >We moved over to the left to exchange information (automatic reaction). >Before I had a chance to do anything but put it into park, the driver hopped >out yelling that I'd hit his car. He reached in and grabbed my shirt. I >leaned to the right to get away and moved the car into drive slowly moving >out. > >I found out later that my brother in law had stepped out of the car when we >stopped. As I'm moving forward, the brown car with the boat had pulled up >ahead of the white car. The two guys hopped out and were coming back. I >slowed down enough to let Chad in and then accelerated. They moved out of the >way. Good thing as I wasn't stopping. > >I pulled into the sherrif's station and let them know what was going on. > >Later I found that a state cop was driving south at the time. He turned >around and came back up to the scene. The driver had driven off to catch me >(him in a newish looking white car, me with 4 other people in a Fairmont). >the guy in the white car drove down the last exit and stopped then walked to >the accident scene. > >The cop said that they were all so drunk he was going to arrest them all for >public drunkeness but didn't. > >Afterwards, we found out they thought we were someone else they were having a >freeway feud with from the Thorton exit (they had spent the day on Lake >Anna). I explained that we were coming from my mom's house after helping her >all day because my dad had just died a few days prior and that we got on at >Rt 3. > >Whew, I didn't think I was going to write that much. Sorry about that folks. > >Carl, who normally just moves over and lets them by. > >On Thursday 05 September 2002 14:19, Jason Picton wrote: >> I am with you - take the deep breath... I used to similiar stuff in the >> past, but I am trying not to give in to the urge anymore... It's getting >> f*cking dangerous out there... >> >> A week or so back, I saw what I considered a REAALLLY bad case or road >> rage... I am tooling along on a 4 lane divided highway (with traffic lights >> every mile to 1 1/2 miles), when this dude in a beater ford probe passes me >> on the left hand shoulder (I was going with the flow of traffic - no >> possible way to go any faster). When he runs out of shoulder he delibrately >> swerves left into the grassy median (ass end almost breaks loose and could >> have gone into on coming traffic) and he delibrately rams a guy in a toyota >> tercel. >> >> I was stunned - it was definately delibrate... By the time I turned around >> (about a mile till I could turn around) a cop was already pulling up to the >> scene. >> >> Apparently, the guy in the tercel threw and hit the driver of the probe >> with a coke can though an open window. The probe driver (young looking >> dude) thought he was perfectly justified in running the other guy down and >> crashing into him. I don't know what started it or who started it or who is >> right, but I don't want to be on the road with people who let their >> frustrations get the better of them and take it to that kind of extreme.. >> >> I am definately not a prince and have been faaaar from perfect in my >> behaivor on the road, but jeeeez people are taking it kind of far when they >> start throwing crap out windows and ramming into people.. >> >> I am definately going to try and take a deep breathe and let it go in the >> future... >> >> Jason >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gary Foreman >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Sent: 9/5/02 12:02 PM >> Subject: I was bad this morning... >> >> I'm coming in on Rt. 7 past Purceville in my truck, and I get behind a >> little red cage that won't get out of the left lane. I hate passing on >> the >> right. He then starts drifting further and further back from traffic. >> I >> see he is doing something. Then I see him turn the page on his >> newspaper. >> I was so pissed...I don't know why, but it really set me off. I passed >> on >> the right, and got back in the left lane as soon as I had a car >> length...then I tapped the brakes. I didn't slow down, just the lights >> were >> enough so I saw the newspaper go flying. >> >> Next time I'll take a deep breath and let it go. >> >> Ban cell phones? Hell, let me start a list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:27:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85JRESi004987; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:27:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85JREsX004980; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:27:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:26:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1ubfnu0qc24e2a7rtmh1rfimhfmq1r6ejf@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g85JRCSi004968 wasn't that on this list? I remember reading it somewhere. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85JV7Si005080; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:31:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85JV7mh005070; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:31:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Sep 2002 19:31:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905193107.27473.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: I was bad this morning... X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) A HA ! It was McCOY ! http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/09/sep01059 Dave --------Original Message-------- From: mike@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Sep)B 05 2002 15:17 Subject: Re: RE: I was bad this morning... >At 02:54 PM 9/5/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >>[Dave] We've all had our moments. I distinctly remember the infamous DCC >>'cage kicking' thread a few years back (anyone remember who that was?) >I scanned the archives but 'cage' and 'boot' were not productive. I did >find this tasty morsel though. >http://www.dccycles.com/arch/01/07/jul00671 >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:32:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85JWqSi005125; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:32:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85JWquR005117; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:32:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002701c25513$01f9e890$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: References: Subject: Re: Bike Night reminder Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:32:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Is there a meeting tonight in Rockville? I have forgotten when and where. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: Bike Night reminder > Just reminder that this Sunday Sept 8th is the last Bike Night of 2002 (and > probably the last one that Mark and I do). CarPool in Arlington, VA. 6-10pm. > Reserved motorcycle parking. Details and more info on the website > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Hope to have a big crowd. > > Chuck > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85JZRSi005172; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:35:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85JZRqX005165; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:35:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: motorcycle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:35:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2002 19:35:19.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E9AD460:01C25513] If so, I missed it. I saw it on DC Sportbike. There were a few people arguing that the cops couldn't have gotten it wrong, so I was offering another view. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Motor PsychoL Danny >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Unfortunate >Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:26:30 -0400 > >wasn't that on this list? I remember reading it somewhere. > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85JcrSi005470; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:38:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85JcrTG005460; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:38:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905153751.022a0bd0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:38:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Re: RE: I was bad this morning... In-Reply-To: <20020905193107.27473.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:31 PM 9/5/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >A HA ! It was McCOY ! >http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/09/sep01059 God my memory is bad. I read that archive through to the end before realizing I wrote the post. I don't even remember doing that. Guess that is why we have archives. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 15:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85Je1Si005531; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:40:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85Je1Bw005523; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:40:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905193959.34877.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE: I was bad this morning... To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905151625.0228c138@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii brain mccoy 364 "cars suck" t-shirts hanging in the closet --- Troutman wrote: > At 02:54 PM 9/5/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > >[Dave] We've all had our moments. I distinctly > remember the infamous DCC > >'cage kicking' thread a few years back (anyone remember > who that was?) > > I scanned the archives but 'cage' and 'boot' were not > productive. I did > find this tasty morsel though. > > http://www.dccycles.com/arch/01/07/jul00671 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 16:10:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85KAPSi005788; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:10:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85KANIa005778; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:10:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010f01c25518$21dbe370$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <20020905162305.7060.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:06:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 It was either a newer Chevy Cavalier or a body style closely resembling that. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: I was bad this morning... > > >I'm coming in on Rt. 7 past Purceville in my truck, and I get behind a > >little red cage that won't get out of the left lane. I hate passing on the > >right. He then starts drifting further and further back from traffic. I > >see he is doing something. Then I see him turn the page on his newspaper. > > [Dave] Mucking Foron. > > > >I was so pissed...I don't know why, but it really set me off. I passed on > >the right, and got back in the left lane as soon as I had a car > >length...then I tapped the brakes. I didn't slow down, just the lights were > >enough so I saw the newspaper go flying. > > [Dave] G*d damn right you were bad, why didn't you at least put that idiot in the ditch ? You *were* in a truck... > > > >Next time I'll take a deep breath and let it go. > > [Dave] Let what go... A few rounds through his windows I hope... > > >Ban cell phones? Hell, let me start a list. > > [Dave] It would be a big list... > > I've tried to be a good citizen (no really!), I've tried that silly #77 BS, ...It's worthless. Cops around here only want speeders, because that's where the money is. > > Dare I ask - what MAKE of cage it was ? > > Dave > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Powered by Wild On Web: > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! > http://www.wildonweb.com > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 16:13:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85KDlSi005843; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:13:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85KDklT005828; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:13:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Sep 2002 20:13:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905201345.28255.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: I was bad this morning... X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Gimer fondly remembers - >brain mccoy >364 "cars suck" t-shirts hanging in the closet [Dave] You mean McCoy goes to the trouble of HANGING them ? ! That's just anal... ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 16:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85KF9Si005903; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:15:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85KF8kH005888; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:15:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [164.62.7.20] From: "Sanath S" To: macda@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night reminder Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:14:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2002 20:14:01.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[C61A65B0:01C25518] Barnes and Noble on Rockville Pike.. around 8 >From: "S. Russell" >To: >Subject: Re: Bike Night reminder >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:32:43 -0400 > >Is there a meeting tonight in Rockville? I have forgotten when and where. > >Scott > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:21 AM >Subject: Bike Night reminder > > > > Just reminder that this Sunday Sept 8th is the last Bike Night of 2002 >(and > > probably the last one that Mark and I do). CarPool in Arlington, VA. >6-10pm. > > Reserved motorcycle parking. Details and more info on the website > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Hope to have a big crowd. > > > > Chuck > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 16:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85KOVSi005962; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:24:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85KOVEQ005952; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:24:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Sep 2002 20:24:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905202430.4230.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: DCC history - was RE: I was bad this morning... X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Troutman lamented: >At 03:31 PM 9/5/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >>A HA ! It was McCOY ! >>http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/09/sep01059 >God my memory is bad. I read that archive through to the end before >realizing I wrote the post. I don't even remember doing that. [Dave] Dude. It was 4 years ago... I'll wager that's not the only cage discipline event at the hands - or feet - of a DCC member... the good ol' days... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 16:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85KpOSi006203; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:51:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85KpOYn006193; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:51:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:51:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: [OT] WV Campgrounds? Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SWMBO and I are thinking of going camping this coming weekend in West Virginia. Anyone have a link to a website listing good campgrounds in WV? Thanks, Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 17:14:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85LEwSi006398; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:14:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85LEvxp006388; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:14:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905211238.58056.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [OT] WV Campgrounds? To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.rvpark.com/wva.htm --- Fish Flowers wrote: > SWMBO and I are thinking of going camping this coming > weekend in West > Virginia. Anyone have a link to a website listing good > campgrounds in > WV? > > Thanks, > > Fish. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 17:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85LGoSi006442; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:16:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85LGntr006433; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:16:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unfortunate In-Reply-To: <20020905153833.82104.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020905141305.N35841-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > I've actually seen guys on sportbikes wearing sandals, > shorts, no shirt, no gloves, and a helmet. But not a > full face helmet. More like the ones you see the > Harley guys wearing, a.k.a. halfie/beanie cap or > whatever else they're known as. Sounds like a recipe > for www.rotten.com A dude on a Gixxer1k at Iron Works last night rode in with one of those little 1/2 helmets on. I was one of 2 people wearing full gear and the other person came in with me. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 17:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85LLhSi006507; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:21:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85LLgMJ006496; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:21:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I was bad this morning... In-Reply-To: <01c701c254fb$e9459090$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> Message-ID: <20020905141703.Y35841-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Jim McGonigle wrote: > I thought the same but Volvo drivers are usually just very bad drivers > and don't usually do as much of the cell phone/newspaper thing IMO. > > My guess would be a SUV or Mercedes. One of those types that think the > highway was built for them... > > -Jim Riddle me this, Batman... how does the make of a vehicle determine how someone drives? My wife drives all of our cars and she's an awful driver :-) -- Wayne 'Mercedes, Audi, Pontiac, GMC...' :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 17:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85LiHSi006689; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:44:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85LiHrk006679; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:44:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020905214248.65411.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: I was bad this morning... To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020905141703.Y35841-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > I thought the same but Volvo drivers are usually just > very bad drivers > > and don't usually do as much of the cell > phone/newspaper thing IMO. > > > > My guess would be a SUV or Mercedes. One of those > types that think the > > highway was built for them... > > > > -Jim > > Riddle me this, Batman... how does the make of a vehicle > determine how > someone drives? My wife drives all of our cars and she's > an awful driver > :-) > > -- Wayne 'Mercedes, Audi, Pontiac, GMC...' :-) jesus...it's called stereotyping. get with the program already, mr. trustafarian! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 17:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85LmZSi006738; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:48:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85LmYjd006729; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:48:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I was bad this morning... In-Reply-To: <20020905214248.65411.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020905144455.B35841-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > Riddle me this, Batman... how does the make of a vehicle > > determine how > > someone drives? My wife drives all of our cars and she's > > an awful driver > > :-) > > > > -- Wayne 'Mercedes, Audi, Pontiac, GMC...' :-) > > jesus...it's called stereotyping. get with the program > already, mr. trustafarian! Trustafarian? Hardly. Don't you have an ambulance to chase? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 18:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85MEOSi006976; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:14:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85MEOqR006966; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:14:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:15:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c25529$cf50e300$2784c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020905141703.Y35841-100000@magoo.noid.org> Importance: Normal Wayne Wondered Riddle me this, Batman... how does the make of a vehicle determine how someone drives? [Dave] Just when we think you've become part of the family... You ask a question like that... ... What are we going to do with you? ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 19:49:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g85NnvSi007777; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:49:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g85NnumJ007770; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:49:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:09:59 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unfortunate Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 198.241.217.3 >>I wheelied into a car once. Dented the >>passenger door and did something >>creative to my forks. >I don't recall having heard this story before.... >Sean Jordan Do you think that I tell you everything? 'Twas the summer of '67 in Midwest City, OK - I was on my '66 BSA Lightning. Whilst attempting to leave a drive-in restaurant in style, I popped the front wheel up. About that time, a girl in a car decided that she was going to leave also... We intersected. I fell down The BSA handled funny after that From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 20:26:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g860PxSi008014; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:25:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g860PxNH008006; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:25:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002b01c2553b$75ad0560$c93f2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: The real McCoy was:Re: RE: I was bad this morning... Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:22:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: 5 Sep 2002 19:31:07 -0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: I was bad this morning... A HA ! It was McCOY ! http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/09/sep01059 Dave ------------------------------------ LOFL!! Whew! T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 5 22:09:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8629wSi008716; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:09:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8629vbA008706; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:09:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020905220849.02b5aa30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:09:17 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Helmet report In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:47 AM 9/5/02 -0400, Bruhl, George LT wrote: >Here's an article on the MC News website concerning modular helmets... >http://www.mcnews.com/mcnews/articles/ModularHelmets1.pdf > > >gb To see the second page, with the actual ratings, look here: http://www.mcnews.com/mcnews/articles/ModularHelmets2.pdf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 00:16:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g864GISi009414; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:16:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g864GFIT009402; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:16:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00db01c25554$52f384e0$3b7d4e0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Rearviews again to the fore Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:20:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Tacking onto the other unfortunate current crash news -- How about the BDDTD (brain dead -- asleep) dump truck driver) who caused two deaths after rearending a cage at a Fair Oaks intersection in midafternoon? Sweating more at stops than at speed now. Rearviews are cratering from burning looks of mine. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Please train me to leap high if necessary Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 02:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8660pSi009881; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:00:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8660oq8009871; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:00:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <196.cab2d36.2aa99e85@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:00:37 EDT Subject: guitars and motorcycles.. etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone i moseyed on down to barnes and noble last night. it was a beautiful night for a ride! yet another dc-cycle guy can give validity to my girl status :) poor planning on my part brings me to a dilemma. somehow, i need to transport my acoustic/electric guitar in a softcase on my m/c to church on sunday morning. i considered wearing the case like a backpack but then the neck of the guitar will stand up real high and im afraid the wind might be too much for it. i also considered lying it flat across the backseat so that it would be perpendicular to the bike. OR i could fasten the belly of the guitar to the backseat and have the neck extend over the back. any suggestions? my other option is to just have someone else take his extra guitar to church for me to use. its kinda like riding someone else's bike tho -- doesn't feel quite right! also, im considering riding to western pa on saturday morning to hang out with my stepdad who just had surgery and wont be able to ride for at least 2 months! we'll be going to a poker run. im going to ride. he's just going to sit around and eat. anyone else headed towards western pa on saturday morning? despite an impromptu western pa trip and hauling my guitar to church, i still plan on being at bike night on sunday. jenn :) coke vs pepsi coke wins unless pepsi is on sale! 2002 purple monster. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 06:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86AcrSi011728; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:38:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Acqta011718; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:38:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7886FF.57A8BC72@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:44:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: guitars and motorcycles.. etc. References: <196.cab2d36.2aa99e85@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm... the softcase presents a problem. If you have a hard case I'd strap it (bungee) on the pillion seat, neck facing aft. I wouldn't want to have straps/bungees crunching the guitar body thru the softcase, so if you go that way figure out how to secure it without placing stress of the guitar. Had a similar prob with my bow. I thought it looked kinda cool strapped on my back, sorta like Tonto on the warpath - Take this, BDC! *twang -ffwwupp* But it was annoying, so I tied it down on the pillion seat. Bill Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > hi everyone > > i moseyed on down to barnes and noble last night. it was a beautiful night > for a ride! yet another dc-cycle guy can give validity to my girl status :) > > poor planning on my part brings me to a dilemma. somehow, i need to > transport my acoustic/electric guitar in a softcase on my m/c to church on > sunday morning. i considered wearing the case like a backpack but then the > neck of the guitar will stand up real high and im afraid the wind might be > too much for it. i also considered lying it flat across the backseat so that > it would be perpendicular to the bike. OR i could fasten the belly of the > guitar to the backseat and have the neck extend over the back. > > any suggestions? my other option is to just have someone else take his extra > guitar to church for me to use. its kinda like riding someone else's bike > tho -- doesn't feel quite right! > > also, im considering riding to western pa on saturday morning to hang out > with my stepdad who just had surgery and wont be able to ride for at least 2 > months! we'll be going to a poker run. im going to ride. he's just going > to sit around and eat. anyone else headed towards western pa on saturday > morning? > > despite an impromptu western pa trip and hauling my guitar to church, i still > plan on being at bike night on sunday. > > jenn :) > coke vs pepsi > coke wins unless pepsi is on sale! > 2002 purple monster. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 07:23:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86BNVSi012050; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:23:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86BNUXq012042; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:23:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 04:20:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: guitars and motorcycles.. etc. In-Reply-To: <196.cab2d36.2aa99e85@aol.com> Message-ID: <20020906041405.H44110-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > hi everyone > > i moseyed on down to barnes and noble last night. it was a beautiful night > for a ride! yet another dc-cycle guy can give validity to my girl status :) Jenn... how's the oil leak? Did you clean up the area around and behind the leak? Did it continue to leak? I don't know why they would have pulled that cover off, but it appears the leak is coming from that seal. > poor planning on my part brings me to a dilemma. somehow, i need to > transport my acoustic/electric guitar in a softcase on my m/c to church on > sunday morning. I don't have any suggestions, other than to be careful :-) > also, im considering riding to western pa on saturday morning to hang out > with my stepdad who just had surgery and wont be able to ride for at least 2 > months! we'll be going to a poker run. im going to ride. he's just going > to sit around and eat. anyone else headed towards western pa on saturday > morning? Let us know the route you take, Jenn. I cruise to Cranberry, PA pretty regularly (on car and bike) and wouldn't mind a route other than the turnpike. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 07:26:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86BQPSi012195; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:26:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86BQPcm012188; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:26:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D78922B.BA2FBE01@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:31:55 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Fairings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh well, my salvage/junkyard search for a Harley Road Glide fairing has turned up zip. A sweet southern gal who kept calling me "honey" did the computer thang, an online request, and came up with zero. Two options left: An aftermarket frame mount fairing, but I haven't found a manufacturor that makes one. Design and build one myself. Yes, I have the knowledge, equipment, and talent to do this, but geeze louise, it's a lotta work! Frame mount fairings rule. Screw clip-on windscreens and batwing wind-buffet your ass until your arms fall off, frame mounts are the only way to cruise the highways. The search goes on, the sketchs for a custom handbuilt accumulate. Maybe an old Windjammer conversion? Any thoughts on this? Oh, Harley purists, sorry about knotting your undies, but it's MY bike! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 07:27:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86BROSi012333; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:27:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86BROga012326; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:27:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906112706.30646.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Gerald Hubbard" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:27:06 -0500 Subject: For Pork Lovers! X-Originating-Ip: 141.156.177.210 X-Originating-Server: ws3-4.us4.outblaze.com "White-collar biking has vroomed off in directions undreamt of by Malcolm Forbes." http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/0916/171.html -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 07:35:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86BZcSi012512; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:35:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86BZb5n012502; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:35:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906113530.94903.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 04:35:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: guitars and motorcycles.. etc. To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <196.cab2d36.2aa99e85@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > poor planning on my part brings me to a dilemma. somehow, i need to > transport my acoustic/electric guitar in a softcase on my m/c to church on > sunday morning. Can you drop it off Saturday and leave it locked in someone's office until Sunday? Do you have any local friends who attend the same church who can drive by and pick up / drop off the guitar for you? > coke vs pepsi > coke wins unless pepsi is on sale! It'd have to be a pretty good sale to get me to switch. :-) Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 07:36:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Ba7Si012540; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:36:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Ba7Rp012536; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:36:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Fairings Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:33:55 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3D78922B.BA2FBE01@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D78922B.BA2FBE01@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02090607335529.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 September 2002 07:31, William J. Huson wrote: > > Oh, Harley purists, sorry about knotting your undies, but it's MY bike! > Much as I love my hawg, I'm not a purist. I imagine the only "purist" would be someone who _doesn't_ mod their Harley and that would be counter to the Harley code. I've added Arlen Ness extenders and am waiting on a Corbin seat. A rack and windshield is next. Saddlebags probably coming up although so far I haven't needed them. The Oxford Sport Luggage seems to be holding everything I need so far. > Bill Good luck on the search. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 07:53:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86BrtSi012862; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:53:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Brsm9012852; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:53:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 04:53:51 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: guitars and motorcycles.. etc. Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 199.174.233.138 >i considered wearing the case like a backpack Works like a champ - wear it diagonally across your back with the neck down. I've done many miles like this. Needless to say, resist impulses to race other bikes. But then, you aren't subject to testosterone poisoning... ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 08:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86C1TSi013041; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:01:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86C1Ta2013033; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:01:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009501c2559c$fff216f0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <20020906041405.H44110-100000@magoo.noid.org> Subject: Track Day at Summit Point Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:00:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In case you haven't heard, the LMS Track day for the 23rd of Sep. has been rescheduled until Monday, Oct. 14th. Mark your calendar! Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com gary@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 08:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86C6oSi013297; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:06:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86C6nF7013289; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:06:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906120647.43195.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: For Pork Lovers! To: Gerald Hubbard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020906112706.30646.qmail@email.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gerald, can you post the article here as it requires a password. thanks --- Gerald Hubbard wrote: > "White-collar biking has vroomed off in directions > undreamt of by Malcolm Forbes." > > http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/0916/171.html > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at > Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 08:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86C7GSi013329; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:07:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86C7Gaa013323; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:07:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D789BBE.90DA627D@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:12:46 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Fairings References: <3D78922B.BA2FBE01@patriot.net> <02090607335529.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Much as I love my hawg, I'm not a purist. I imagine the only "purist" would > be someone who _doesn't_ mod their Harley and that would be counter to the > Harley code. > > I've added Arlen Ness extenders and am waiting on a Corbin seat. A rack and > windshield is next. Saddlebags probably coming up although so far I haven't > needed them. The Oxford Sport Luggage seems to be holding everything I need > so far. Have Corbin seat, added after my first lass-burning long run to Baton Rouge LA and back. The soft, cushy Harley seat blows. I also have a Rack Factory tail trunk circa 1980s that I keep plopping on back and visualizing a mounting/modification system. The tailtrunk is kinda old and ugly, but it would be a welcome easy to use addition for those long hauls. Milady, the mistress of Harley decor, groans in disgust when she sees various crap bungeed and cargo netted to the bike. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 08:14:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86CECSi013600; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:14:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86CECNC013592; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:14:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906121356.2454.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Gerald Hubbard" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:13:56 -0500 Subject: For Pork Lover's - Repost X-Originating-Ip: 141.156.177.210 X-Originating-Server: ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com The link required a password. The following is the article in the most recent issue of Forbes magazine. I did not read anything about knee dragging, so this might restart the asleep at the helm thread. Hogs, Executive Style Mary Crane, 09.16.02 White-collar biking has vroomed off in directions undreamt of by Malcolm Forbes. Hard to imagine, but 20 years ago a middle-aged executive tooling down the road on a Harley was considered peculiar. Maybe that's because few besides this magazine's late editor-in-chief dared to do so. Last month, in recognition of his contribution to the sport of motorcycling, Malcolm Forbes was inducted posthumously into the Sturgis Motorcycle Museum and Hall of Fame in Sturgis, S.D., thus joining such biker luminaries as Glenn Curtiss, the motorcycle builder and aviation pioneer, and hog-hugging film icon Steve McQueen. The single fastest-growing sector of two-wheeled tourists is RUBs--rich urban bikers--who use their bikes for respite from high-pressure jobs. After all, it's impossible to take a conference call while maneuvering an 800-pound bike around a hairpin curve. Though most white-collar riders prefer to create their own itineraries, a growing minority now hire companies to plan their routes and handle all logistics. Ride America, owned and operated by brothers Rick and Wyatt Perkins, targets corporate execs. "The average executive Harley enthusiast is between the ages of 45 and 65 and is a corporate professional or entrepreneur who rarely has the opportunity to ride," says Rick Perkins. "They need to be within four hours of their office or family." For such customers, the Perkinses have created itineraries through the canyon lands of the Southwest, the shaded Natchez Trace Trail, which dates to the antebellum South, and five others, all of which allow executives to focus on the riding experience itself. The Brenham, Tex.-based company takes care of airport transfers, motorcycle rentals, hotel accommodations and national park passes or other entrance fees. On some tours it provides a chase vehicle to transport riders' luggage and necessities between locations. My husband and I signed up with Ride America earlier this year for a group tour through Nevada, Arizona and Utah. While I toted a laptop and cell phone, somewhere between the stark vistas of Arizona's deserts and the majestic heights of Utah's Zion National Park I lost any interest in checking in with my office. And this from someone who considered herself a reluctant participant. My husband, the family's real gearhead, had eagerly anticipated this trip. I, on the other hand--a neophyte passenger--had felt only trepidation. I questioned whether I would enjoy following an itinerary that someone else had prepared, and I worried about spending the better part of a week with six strangers. (Most tours are limited to eight riders.) To my surprise, I quickly became enamored of touring--which is so much more raw and refreshing an experience than seeing the world from a car. I choked on desert dust, inhaled the rich scent of Arizona cedars and connected eye-to-eye with a small herd of antelope climbing a mountain. By the time our tour ended, I understood well why dogs ride with their heads hanging out the window. I especially appreciated the fact that at the end of each day we knew we'd be checking into prearranged lodgings, where we could shower and change clothes before dinner. Hardier road warriors who like to camp outdoors can ride with Chrome Caballeros. "I don't think you'll find another company that combines motorcycling with a camping experience like ours," boasts owner David Waddell. Chrome Caballeros' "luxury" accommodations include tents tall enough for riders to stand in--a nice touch for middle-aged bikers, who must pull jeans and other riding accessories on and off daily. Each tent contains a cot, sleeping bag, full-size pillow, clean towels, bedside table, lamp and rug. While riders ride, the Caballeros team is busy breaking camp at one location and pitching it at the next. They also rustle up each day's breakfast and dinner. This allows riders to stay on the road from 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., knowing that when they arrive at camp a hot dinner prepared over an open fire awaits them. The night's meal might be ribs, Cornish game hen, or chateaubriand, followed by Dutch-oven-baked apple pie and hand-churned ice cream. Ray Mathews, a retired life insurance brokerage owner from Henderson, Nev., joined Waddell on Chrome Caballeros' second tour in 2000 and has toured with him at least twice each year since. "They take care of everything," he says. "It gives me the freedom to ride and see the sights without having to worry about where I'll be sleeping." Mathews, who describes Waddell as "the master of the Dutch oven," adds, "I don't think there's anything neater than to have a cowboy cookout dinner. I'd rather end a day sitting around the campfire and talking motorcycles with friends than rush out to a restaurant or sit around a motel room." If you like roughing it even rougher, contact Mike Ferris of Thirroul (south of Sydney), Australia-based Ferris Wheels, which specializes in international motorcycle adventures. When we spoke with Ferris in late July, he was leading a tour through the Himalayas. Other "safaris," as he calls them, take riders on routes though India, Nepal, Turkey and the Andes. Ferris estimates that over half his riders are business owners, professionals, senior managers and corporate executives. His Himalayas trips (next one set for July 2003) let capitalists tool down the highest motorable road in the world, at an altitude of 18,380 feet. For contact information and rates, go to www.forbes.com/hogs. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 08:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86CH5Si013749; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:17:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86CH533013738; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:17:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: guitars and motorcycles.. etc. Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:14:54 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209060814542E.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 September 2002 07:53, you wrote: > >i considered wearing the case like a backpack > > Works like a champ - wear it diagonally across your back with the neck > down. I've done many miles like this. > > Needless to say, resist impulses to race other bikes. But then, you aren't > subject to testosterone poisoning... ;-) > Hey, women do have some testosterone. Maybe not enough to get poisoned but it's there. > Michael J. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 08:27:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86CR5Si014079; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:27:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86CR43X014071; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:27:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906122702.68890.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: For Pork Lover's - Repost To: Gerald Hubbard , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020906121356.2454.qmail@email.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My first response is that people are such pussies! You need to pay someone to set up your tent and make your dinner. Real motorcycle camping means arriving at 10PM, in the rain, to try and eat some coldcuts and get some sleep before the 500 miles tomorrow! --- Gerald Hubbard wrote: > The link required a password. The following is the > article in the most recent issue of Forbes magazine. > > I did not read anything about knee dragging, so this > might restart the asleep at the helm thread. > > > Hogs, Executive Style > Mary Crane, 09.16.02 > > White-collar biking has vroomed off in directions > undreamt of by Malcolm Forbes. > Hard to imagine, but 20 years ago a middle-aged > executive tooling down the road on a Harley was > considered peculiar. Maybe that's because few > besides this magazine's late editor-in-chief dared > to do so. Last month, in recognition of his > contribution to the sport of motorcycling, Malcolm > Forbes was inducted posthumously into the Sturgis > Motorcycle Museum and Hall of Fame in Sturgis, S.D., > thus joining such biker luminaries as Glenn Curtiss, > the motorcycle builder and aviation pioneer, and > hog-hugging film icon Steve McQueen. > > The single fastest-growing sector of two-wheeled > tourists is RUBs--rich urban bikers--who use their > bikes for respite from high-pressure jobs. After > all, it's impossible to take a conference call while > maneuvering an 800-pound bike around a hairpin > curve. Though most white-collar riders prefer to > create their own itineraries, a growing minority now > hire companies to plan their routes and handle all > logistics. > > Ride America, owned and operated by brothers Rick > and Wyatt Perkins, targets corporate execs. "The > average executive Harley enthusiast is between the > ages of 45 and 65 and is a corporate professional or > entrepreneur who rarely has the opportunity to > ride," says Rick Perkins. "They need to be within > four hours of their office or family." > > For such customers, the Perkinses have created > itineraries through the canyon lands of the > Southwest, the shaded Natchez Trace Trail, which > dates to the antebellum South, and five others, all > of which allow executives to focus on the riding > experience itself. The Brenham, Tex.-based company > takes care of airport transfers, motorcycle rentals, > hotel accommodations and national park passes or > other entrance fees. On some tours it provides a > chase vehicle to transport riders' luggage and > necessities between locations. > > My husband and I signed up with Ride America earlier > this year for a group tour through Nevada, Arizona > and Utah. While I toted a laptop and cell phone, > somewhere between the stark vistas of Arizona's > deserts and the majestic heights of Utah's Zion > National Park I lost any interest in checking in > with my office. > > And this from someone who considered herself a > reluctant participant. My husband, the family's real > gearhead, had eagerly anticipated this trip. I, on > the other hand--a neophyte passenger--had felt only > trepidation. I questioned whether I would enjoy > following an itinerary that someone else had > prepared, and I worried about spending the better > part of a week with six strangers. (Most tours are > limited to eight riders.) > > To my surprise, I quickly became enamored of > touring--which is so much more raw and refreshing an > experience than seeing the world from a car. I > choked on desert dust, inhaled the rich scent of > Arizona cedars and connected eye-to-eye with a small > herd of antelope climbing a mountain. By the time > our tour ended, I understood well why dogs ride with > their heads hanging out the window. > > I especially appreciated the fact that at the end of > each day we knew we'd be checking into prearranged > lodgings, where we could shower and change clothes > before dinner. > > Hardier road warriors who like to camp outdoors can > ride with Chrome Caballeros. "I don't think you'll > find another company that combines motorcycling with > a camping experience like ours," boasts owner David > Waddell. Chrome Caballeros' "luxury" accommodations > include tents tall enough for riders to stand in--a > nice touch for middle-aged bikers, who must pull > jeans and other riding accessories on and off daily. > Each tent contains a cot, sleeping bag, full-size > pillow, clean towels, bedside table, lamp and rug. > > While riders ride, the Caballeros team is busy > breaking camp at one location and pitching it at the > next. They also rustle up each day's breakfast and > dinner. This allows riders to stay on the road from > 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., knowing that when they > arrive at camp a hot dinner prepared over an open > fire awaits them. The night's meal might be ribs, > Cornish game hen, or chateaubriand, followed by > Dutch-oven-baked apple pie and hand-churned ice > cream. > > Ray Mathews, a retired life insurance brokerage > owner from Henderson, Nev., joined Waddell on Chrome > Caballeros' second tour in 2000 and has toured with > him at least twice each year since. "They take care > of everything," he says. "It gives me the freedom to > ride and see the sights without having to worry > about where I'll be sleeping." Mathews, who > describes Waddell as "the master of the Dutch oven," > adds, "I don't think there's anything neater than to > have a cowboy cookout dinner. I'd rather end a day > sitting around the campfire and talking motorcycles > with friends than rush out to a restaurant or sit > around a motel room." > > If you like roughing it even rougher, contact Mike > Ferris of Thirroul (south of Sydney), > Australia-based Ferris Wheels, which specializes in > international motorcycle adventures. When we spoke > with Ferris in late July, he was leading a tour > through the Himalayas. Other "safaris," as he calls > them, take riders on routes though India, Nepal, > Turkey and the Andes. > > Ferris estimates that over half his riders are > business owners, professionals, senior managers and > corporate executives. His Himalayas trips (next one > set for July 2003) let capitalists tool down the > highest motorable road in the world, at an altitude > of 18,380 feet. > > For contact information and rates, go to > www.forbes.com/hogs. > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at > Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 08:39:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86CdmSi014304; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:39:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86CdmwU014294; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:39:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fairings Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:39:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2002 12:39:40.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[783690A0:01C255A2] Bill, You should be able to find Windjammers around. A little work to clean up, patch, etc. but shouldn't be a problem. I "adapted" an early Goldwing Windjammer mount to my old KZ1100 and mounted a V model (I think - it's been a while) with no problems. The fairing cost me $50, and he threw in the mount. Kind of ugly, but it worked well. Served as a good intro for the Concours. I eventually sold it to my buddy to install on a Moto Guzzi. I charged him $50 and threw in the mount... Perry p.s. A Windjammer on a Harley?!?!? What's the world coming to? ;^) >From: "William J. Huson" >To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" >Subject: Fairings >Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:31:55 -0400 > >Oh well, my salvage/junkyard search for a Harley Road Glide fairing has >turned up zip. A sweet southern gal who kept calling me "honey" did the >computer thang, an online request, and came up with zero. > >Two options left: An aftermarket frame mount fairing, but I haven't >found a manufacturor that makes one. Design and build one myself. Yes, >I have the knowledge, equipment, and talent to do this, but geeze >louise, it's a lotta work! > >Frame mount fairings rule. Screw clip-on windscreens and batwing >wind-buffet your ass until your arms fall off, frame mounts are the only >way to cruise the highways. The search goes on, the sketchs for a >custom handbuilt accumulate. Maybe an old Windjammer conversion? Any >thoughts on this? > >Oh, Harley purists, sorry about knotting your undies, but it's MY bike! > >Bill _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 09:06:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86D6YSi014601; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:06:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86D6WBU014586; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:06:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C318@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:04:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" and you thought cell phones while driving was bad - check this out.. http://www.egadgets.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?T1=TO+203 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 09:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86D7GSi014625; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:07:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86D7GfG014620; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:07:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 6 Sep 2002 13:07:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020906130714.2927.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) ...How about the BDDTD (brain dead -- asleep) dump truck driver) >who caused two deaths after rearending a cage at a Fair Oaks >intersection in midafternoon? [Dave] AND - only charged with reckless driving, carrying a maximum 1 year in prison... >Sweating more at stops than at speed now. Rearviews are cratering from >burning looks of mine. >Bill S. / DC [Dave] And the thing with the barrelling big trucks is that they could strike a cage several cages behind you & still cause you trouble. The latest AAA hack job said that most truck accidents are caused by cagers. Horseshit. ALL tractor trailers, dumps, and similar large vehicles follow too close for conditions. 2 cage lengths won't do it. The cops need to start enforcing something ridiculous like a 10 cage lenth minimum interval between any large truck and any OTHER type of vehicle. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 09:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86DHASi014948; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:17:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86DHAU2014940; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:17:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 6 Sep 2002 13:17:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20020906131708.9517.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) JP added - >and you thought cell phones while driving was bad - check this out.. > http://www.egadgets.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?T1=TO+203 [Dave] Weren't we just lamenting this yesterday under a different header? On a related note, it is most unfortunate to note that I got a series of 'weird looks' when in a staff meeting I reiterated that under no circumstances would I answer a cell while driving a vehicle... People looked at me like I had 2 heads. "But if you're on call" - I didn't even let them finish that sentence, interrupting with something like ...'nobody's ever called us with a life threatening software problem, so it isn't worth risking a fatal accident over'... Pagers, cells, PDAs, laptops - all are wonderful inventions properly used, but JFC, when I'm driving, or riding, I want nothing to do with any of them. There's a setting on my (~!@#$%^&*) company issued pager called 'Quiet Time'. Work intrudes on too many facets of my life now, absolutely no freakin'way I'm totin' around one of those silly trays ... Besides, it won't fit my clip ons... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 09:25:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86DPGSi015232; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:25:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86DPGI5015224; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:25:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C319@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rearviews again to the fore Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:22:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree.... I am all for what I saw in Ohio Last Month - 2 different speed limits... 55 for trucks and 65+ MPH for Cars... It really seemed to keep alot truckers from going too fast on the highway and breathing down you neck.... Now if only they would do it on I-81 S Jason Horseshit. ALL tractor trailers, dumps, and similar large vehicles follow too close for conditions. 2 cage lengths won't do it. The cops need to start enforcing something ridiculous like a 10 cage lenth minimum interval between any large truck and any OTHER type of vehicle. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 09:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86DajSi015452; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:36:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86DajTP015444; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:36:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:36:30 EDT Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 12:16:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > Sweating more at stops than at speed now. Rearviews are cratering from > burning looks of mine. I know what you mean, my mirrors only last about a year before they wear out #:-) > Nothing scares the crap out of me worse then being the only one at a stop light that is about to turn green late at night with a car coming up on me. I know the driver is not looking at me but at that damn light. Gives me the creeps just thinking about it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 09:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86DjNSi015544; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:45:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86DjNnV015534; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:45:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <57.111decab.2aaa0b6a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:45:14 EDT Subject: Re: Fairings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 7:26:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Design and build one myself. Yes, > I have the knowledge, equipment, and talent to do this, Cool! There are a lot of people out there who would like to have one. Set it up like the old Windjammer where the main part was standard and the only change was the mounting hardware and you should be able to sell em as fast as you make em. May or may not be worthwhile, but the idea is free and worth every penny. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 09:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Dw3Si015945; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:58:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Dw2Nu015935; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:58:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <103.1afacc47.2aaa0e59@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:57:45 EDT Subject: Re: For Pork Lover's - Repost To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 8:27:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Real motorcycle camping means arriving at 10PM, in the > rain, to try and eat some coldcuts and get some sleep > before the 500 miles tomorrow! Do not forget how cold it is and that you set your tent over a depression that looks flat in the dark but is full of water that leaks up through the seam in your tent and wets your sleeping bag so you can only lay in one position all night without getting wet and.... You just cannot beat experience, or is that nothing beats you like experience? Damn that was a cold night. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:03:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86E3RSi016130; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:03:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86E3Rch016120; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:03:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16.24e519be.2aaa0fa1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:03:13 EDT Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 9:07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > The cops need to start enforcing something ridiculous like a 10 cage lenth > minimum interval between any large truck and any OTHER type of vehicle. So what is ridiculous about that? I used to trust truckers, they were the salt of the earth and knew how to drive those things. But that was a long time ago. Damn CDL. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86E6eSi016289; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:06:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86E6eDc016277; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:06:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <120.15a4f244.2aaa1064@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:06:28 EDT Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 9:17:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Pagers, cells, PDAs, laptops - all are wonderful inventions properly used, > but JFC, when I'm driving, or riding, I want nothing to do with any of them. Good for you! My BMW had an aftermarket radio/cassette stereo installed on it when it was sitting on the showroom floor. I had them take if off before delivery. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86E8SSi016443; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:08:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86E8RkU016435; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:08:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:08:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: guitars and motorcycles.. etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hmmm, let's try this again, but to the whole list instead (sorry William) >Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > hi everyone > > > poor planning on my part brings me to a dilemma. somehow, i need to >> transport my acoustic/electric guitar in a softcase on my m/c to church on >> sunday morning. i considered wearing the case like a backpack but then the >> neck of the guitar will stand up real high and im afraid the wind might be >> too much for it. i also considered lying it flat across the >>backseat so that >> it would be perpendicular to the bike. OR i could fasten the belly of the >> guitar to the backseat and have the neck extend over the back. >> >> any suggestions? my other option is to just have someone else >>take his extra >> guitar to church for me to use. its kinda like riding someone else's bike > > tho -- doesn't feel quite right! > > > > > jenn :) > > coke vs pepsi > > coke wins unless pepsi is on sale! > > 2002 purple monster. I had bookmarked this link some time ago from this list I think. Although it shows hauling a bicycle, primarily, scroll further down and you can see him hauling a golf-club bag on a 'side trac' mount. That side stage looks wide enough to take a guitar case as well? http://hometown.aol.com/mschue5938/mschuette.html Best of luck, Erick (hoping to finally ride soon after drilling out old, rusting, frozen brake bleed valve from 74' CB750. Being able to stop seems like a good thing...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86EH4Si016652; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:17:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86EH37R016644; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:17:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <198.c9ee992.2aaa12d7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:16:55 EDT Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 9:25:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, j_picton@XXXXXX writes: > I agree.... I am all for what I saw in Ohio Last Month - 2 different speed > limits... 55 for trucks and 65+ MPH for Cars... It really seemed to keep > alot truckers from going too fast on the highway and breathing down you > neck.... Now if only they would do it on I-81 S > That reminds me. Back when the speed limit was 70 most places It was NOT 70 for trucks _it never was_. Signs were: 70 cars 65 trucks 55 _trucks with trailers_ That was the way it was. When the 55mph. speed limit was imposed on the states they "compensated" truckers by increasing the load limits and allowing double bottoms (two trailers) in all 50 states. The trucks never followed the 55 limit. When the federal 55 limit was removed they did not remove the load limits or double bottoms. Turned out to be nothing more then a hell of a windfall for the trucking companies. I am old, I was there, I remember. P.S. The signs had some neat reflective paint, when the light came from above (the sun) they read 70, when it came from below (headlights) it read 65. Not important, just interesting. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:28:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86ESWSi016860; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:28:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86ESVU3016850; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:28:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 6 Sep 2002 14:28:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020906142829.24088.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Rearviews again to the fore X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Nick replied off list - >Dave, I could agree with you on the half of this >statement. I have a close family member (Mom) that is >a Tractor/Trailer driver. [Dave] I found Nick's comments topical & insightful... So I replied to DCC ... Nick - hope you don't mind, no argument, disrespect intended... > She's the type that gets >pissed off when other TT drivers tailgate. According >to the CDL class that she took, you had to maintain >far more than 2 carlenghts behind a cage(not certain >the exact nuber). [Dave] Whatever it is, rest assured it's vastly inadequate. And in practice, the vast majority of TT drivers are just plain ignorant of physics. I hope VA throws the book at that dump driver with at least manslaughter charges... The dumps carry 20 tons & up, I haven't a clue how much a fully loaded TT can / does carry... Regardless, it's a lot of weight, and they don't stop on a dime. One major difference between piloting a car & a tractor trailer is that in a tractor trailer accident with anything else, a fatality is LIKELY to occur... > I think that study that AAA >released is referring to accidents where cagers cut >off tractor trailer (I've seen it a few times). [Dave] Yup, that does happen, but, if the TT driver maintains sufficient following distance, then cutting off becomes a non issue... >Anyway, my mom was involved in an accident in Texas >where there were 2 left turn lanes(she was in the >right lane) and this kid in a cage ran up under her >trailer b/c he was talking on his cellphone, yet she >was given the fine b/c the police said she should have >seen him. [Dave] That's ridiculous ! Whatever, I'm just trying to give a little >bit of both stories. I've been taligated in my car by >TT's and have dialed that "How's my driving number" on >the back of their trailer and reported their asses!! [Dave] FTS, a tailgating tractor trailer is a 9 1 1 event. call the cops & let them deal with these nutjobs. >It's kind of like saying that "all" sportbike riders >split lanes?ride wheelies at 100mph, just b/c you see >a few people do it on 495. Just my .02. [Dave] True, there *ARE* decent truck drivers out there that are good drivers, but it seems we don't get many of those around here... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:30:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86EUfSi017023; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:30:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86EUfvQ017010; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:30:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D78BD5B.38280B1E@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:36:11 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore References: <198.c9ee992.2aaa12d7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > When the 55mph. speed limit was imposed on the states they "compensated" > truckers by increasing the load limits and allowing double bottoms (two > trailers) in all 50 states. > The trucks never followed the 55 limit. > When the federal 55 limit was removed they did not remove the load limits or > double bottoms. > Turned out to be nothing more then a hell of a windfall for the trucking > companies. > I am old, I was there, I remember. Double bottoms? You think they're freaky? Try triple bottoms, seen by my frightened eyes on midwest interstates. Tis like a fucking frieght train blasting down the slab at 70+, light breeze enough to set the whole rig into the wigglys. Jesus aitch, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:32:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86EWuSi017164; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:32:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86EWt2I017157; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:32:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 6 Sep 2002 14:32:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020906143254.27340.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Rearviews again to the fore X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) LongJohn asks - >In a message dated 9/6/2002 9:07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX >writes: >> The cops need to start enforcing something ridiculous like a 10 cage lenth >> minimum interval between any large truck and any OTHER type of vehicle. >So what is ridiculous about that? [Dave] Absolutely nothing. I meant ridiculous as a reference or comaparison to the bike / cage intervals. In retrospect, the phrase 'Much greater' would have served better.... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:40:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86EeZSi017370; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:40:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86EeYtk017363; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:40:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906103806.022bfd48@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:40:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time In-Reply-To: <120.15a4f244.2aaa1064@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I would love to have music when I ride. I ran with helmet speakers for a while. Finally found a CD player that wouldn't skip (can you believe they sell them for $20 in bubble plastic now?!?!) but the cords would always whip around and get in the way. Some outdoor speakers and a head unit would be sweet. For commuting anyway. My D220 rear tire showed up yesterday. Still waiting on the front. Sigh. At 10:06 AM 9/6/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >My BMW had an aftermarket radio/cassette stereo installed on it when it was >sitting on the showroom floor. >I had them take if off before delivery. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86EklSi017798; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:46:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Eklpd017790; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:46:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:46:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200209061046.AA92078674@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Nothing scares the crap out of me worse then being the only one at a stop >light that is about to turn green late at night with a car coming up on me. I >know the driver is not looking at me but at that damn light. >Gives me the creeps just thinking about it. Agreed. It makes my right fingers keep squeezing and releasing the brake lever - FLASH those lights. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 10:50:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Eo2Si017969; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:50:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Eo1Go017960; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:50:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906144958.13286.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore To: "William J. Huson" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D78BD5B.38280B1E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Alot of truckers refer to the Double Trailers as "wiggle wagons." A suitable name if you ask me. I worked for UPS a while back and they always use those things. All the drivers I ever talked to hated pulling those things. Nick --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > When the 55mph. speed limit was imposed on the > states they "compensated" > > truckers by increasing the load limits and > allowing double bottoms (two > > trailers) in all 50 states. > > The trucks never followed the 55 limit. > > When the federal 55 limit was removed they did not > remove the load limits or > > double bottoms. > > Turned out to be nothing more then a hell of a > windfall for the trucking > > companies. > > I am old, I was there, I remember. > > Double bottoms? You think they're freaky? Try > triple bottoms, seen by my > frightened eyes on midwest interstates. Tis like a > fucking frieght train > blasting down the slab at 70+, light breeze enough > to set the whole rig into the > wigglys. Jesus aitch, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING! > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 12:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86GADSi018842; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:10:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86GAB6V018827; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:10:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906160959.19238.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906103806.022bfd48@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii shit, dude.... join the 21st century and get an mp3 player (route the damn cord correctly too!) i have a 128meg sanyo yepp player. it's tiny; it NEVER skips (it can't); and it holds a little over 3 hours of my favorite satanic music. gooooooo satan! they also make jukeboxes of ~20gigs or so. these have more of a potential to skip (hard drive based), but i've still heard good things about 'em for m/c use. --- Troutman wrote: > I would love to have music when I ride. I ran with > helmet speakers for a > while. Finally found a CD player that wouldn't skip (can > you believe they > sell them for $20 in bubble plastic now?!?!) but the > cords would always > whip around and get in the way. Some outdoor speakers > and a head unit > would be sweet. For commuting anyway. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 12:17:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86GHLSi019003; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:17:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86GHLqw018993; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:17:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: onboard music In-Reply-To: <20020906160959.19238.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time > > shit, dude.... join the 21st century and get an mp3 player > (route the damn cord correctly too!) ... > they also make jukeboxes of ~20gigs or so. these have more > of a potential to skip (hard drive based), but i've still > heard good things about 'em for m/c use. I have a 6g Archos -- been debating replacing it with an iPod. Haven't used it on the bike yet, something about putting it into a magnetic tank bag doesn't seem like a good idea. Has anyone tried this? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 12:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86GIeSi019036; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:18:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86GIeZW019027; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:18:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Tom Gimer , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:16:20 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020906160959.19238.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020906160959.19238.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209061216202P.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm waiting on the Ogg Vobis hardware before I invest in an "mp3" player. But an FM radio works well with the Aircom stuff. And on a side note, the new rider in my family (my wife, for those not following along at home), is spouting VA laws at me. "You must have a passenger seat in VA so you can't have the Corbin solo seat.". "Dear, read it again, _to carry passengers_ you must have a seat." Carl On Friday 06 September 2002 12:09, Tom Gimer wrote: > shit, dude.... join the 21st century and get an mp3 player > (route the damn cord correctly too!) > > i have a 128meg sanyo yepp player. it's tiny; it NEVER > skips (it can't); and it holds a little over 3 hours of my > favorite satanic music. gooooooo satan! > > they also make jukeboxes of ~20gigs or so. these have more > of a potential to skip (hard drive based), but i've still > heard good things about 'em for m/c use. > > --- Troutman wrote: > > I would love to have music when I ride. I ran with > > helmet speakers for a > > while. Finally found a CD player that wouldn't skip (can > > you believe they > > sell them for $20 in bubble plastic now?!?!) but the > > cords would always > > whip around and get in the way. Some outdoor speakers > > and a head unit > > would be sweet. For commuting anyway. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 12:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86GK4Si019100; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:20:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86GK3rc019089; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:20:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: onboard music Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:17:48 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209061217482Q.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 September 2002 12:21, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Tom Gimer > > To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time > > > > shit, dude.... join the 21st century and get an mp3 player > > (route the damn cord correctly too!) > > .... > > > they also make jukeboxes of ~20gigs or so. these have more > > of a potential to skip (hard drive based), but i've still > > heard good things about 'em for m/c use. > > I have a 6g Archos -- been debating replacing it with an iPod. > Haven't used it on the bike yet, something about putting it into > a magnetic tank bag doesn't seem like a good idea. Has anyone tried > this? > I don't like the idea of magnetic tank bags anyway. I run my single cable from the front of my tail bag under my left armpit and plugged into the helmet. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 12:41:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86GfTSi019592; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:41:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86GfSV4019582; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:41:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008b01c255c4$3a5dc510$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: References: Subject: About last night Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:41:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well, I finally was able to get my butt outside and went to meet all that travel to Thursday B&N. Too bad the only one I found was Jenn the biker. Went to Hooters, heard that everyone was there, 100 bikes, mostly sport, 2 cruisers and my training wheels. It was fun but sorry I missed everyone that showed. Would have liked to meet the faces. Will plan to be out next week, hope that I may hook up with some, if not after work I will head to Bike night from Annapolis. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 12:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86GltSi019762; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:47:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86GltO9019755; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:47:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: "Daniel H. Brown" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: onboard music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I have a 6g Archos -- been debating replacing it with an iPod. > Haven't used it on the bike yet, something about putting it into > a magnetic tank bag doesn't seem like a good idea. Has anyone tried > this? > I had the Archos, it crapped out on me, swapped for an Ipod. Do it, you won't look back. The sound quality is MUCH better, but the best part is you can operate the ipod without having to look at the display. I can change tracks, pause and adjust volume without unzipping my pocket. Only problem is battery life, after 9-10 hours you are screwed, you have to plug it in, can't swap packs. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 12:51:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Gp1Si019824; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:51:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Gp0DP019817; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:51:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906164358.85734.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: onboard music To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0209061217482Q.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Friday 06 September 2002 12:21, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > From: Tom Gimer > > > To: Troutman , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at > the same time > > > > > > shit, dude.... join the 21st century and get an mp3 > player > > > (route the damn cord correctly too!) > > > > .... > > > > > they also make jukeboxes of ~20gigs or so. these > have more > > > of a potential to skip (hard drive based), but i've > still > > > heard good things about 'em for m/c use. > > > > I have a 6g Archos -- been debating replacing it with > an iPod. > > Haven't used it on the bike yet, something about > putting it into > > a magnetic tank bag doesn't seem like a good idea. Has > anyone tried > > this? because my player is all RAM, i don't know how magnetics could potentially affect it. regardless, it sits directly on the magnets in my tankbag.... with no ill effects to date. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 12:57:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86GvgSi019897; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:57:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86GvgF3019887; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:57:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Music In-Reply-To: <20020906160959.19238.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020906095418.C47314-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > shit, dude.... join the 21st century and get an mp3 player > (route the damn cord correctly too!) Yep, MP3 player here and it works great. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HA3Si020253; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:10:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86HA2JA020243; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:10:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906171000.896.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK PEOPLE I just got confirmation that parking is a GO. So get your asses to Bike Night this Sunday, 6PM, CarPool. The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HDkSi020406; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:13:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86HDjTD020396; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:13:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:13:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200209061313.AA108855682@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: onboard music X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Daniel H. Brown" >I have a 6g Archos -- been debating replacing it with an iPod. >Haven't used it on the bike yet, something about putting it into >a magnetic tank bag doesn't seem like a good idea. Has anyone tried >this? Magnetic tank bag - no. Tank bag - yes. Worked great! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HIWSi020774; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:18:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86HIWbP020763; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:18:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT In-Reply-To: <20020906171000.896.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > OK PEOPLE > > I just got confirmation that parking is a GO. So get > your asses to Bike Night this Sunday, 6PM, CarPool. > > The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. > Not to start an AOL style cascade of "me 2's" but I'm planning on riding there. Black VFR, "DEV VFR" plates. Anyone else? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:21:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HLvSi020832; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:21:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86HLudh020822; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:21:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906172149.83541.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT To: "Daniel H. Brown" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll be there!! I have a purple 93 Gixxer 750. I'd be surprised to see anyone else there with a similar bike. You'll notice me b/c I'll be wearing a red/black/white Teknic jacket that doesn't remotely match my bike ;) See you there!!! Nick --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > OK PEOPLE > > > > I just got confirmation that parking is a GO. So > get > > your asses to Bike Night this Sunday, 6PM, > CarPool. > > > > The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. > > > > Not to start an AOL style cascade of "me 2's" but > I'm planning on riding > there. Black VFR, "DEV VFR" plates. Anyone else? > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HOSSi021102; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:24:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86HOSmP021092; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:24:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C31E@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'Nicholas Thompson'" , "Daniel H. Brown" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:21:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am going to show.... Red Hawk GT... Jason I Picton jip98@XXXXXX 1998 Honda VTR1000 Superhawk 1991 Suzuki GSF400 Bandit 1989 Honda NT650 Hawk GT 1988 Honda NX650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:31:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HVbSi021322; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:31:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86HVbEa021311; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:31:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906132938.0227c1c0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:31:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time In-Reply-To: <20020906160959.19238.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906103806.022bfd48@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:09 PM 9/6/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >shit, dude.... join the 21st century and get an mp3 player >(route the damn cord correctly too!) Another problem was volume. I took my Johnny Cash collection on a long Skyline/BRP solo trip last year and could barely hear the man in black at speed. Think I need an amp or something. Not looking for suggestions - I'd only use the headphones while touring, and I won't be doing any of that for a while. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HhPSi021525; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:43:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86HhOwS021515; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:43:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16e.134f969a.2aaa4335@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:43:17 EDT Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 10:30:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > You think they're freaky? Try triple bottoms, seen by my > frightened eyes on midwest interstates Been There Done That, Lived in Nevada for 3 years it is legal there, just did not want to muddy the waters. In the outback of Australia I understand they run 5 or 6 or whatever number their engines can handle, _That_ would be scary. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HkYSi021576; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:46:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86HkYXe021568; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:46:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11f.161582de.2aaa43ec@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:46:20 EDT Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 10:46:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > keep squeezing and releasing the brake lever - FLASH those lights. Damn straight! And remember you have two brake light switches, if you hold one you cannot flash with the other. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HoqSi021846; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:50:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Hopwd021835; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:50:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:50:54 -0400 Subject: Re: onboard music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: "Daniel H. Brown" From: John West In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <30FB3071-C1C1-11D6-ABE0-00039355E006@macconnect.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) I have a 5GB iPod and a magnetic tank bag. Haven't had any problems yet. -john On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 12:21 PM, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Tom Gimer >> To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time >> >> shit, dude.... join the 21st century and get an mp3 player >> (route the damn cord correctly too!) > ... >> they also make jukeboxes of ~20gigs or so. these have more >> of a potential to skip (hard drive based), but i've still >> heard good things about 'em for m/c use. > > I have a 6g Archos -- been debating replacing it with an iPod. > Haven't used it on the bike yet, something about putting it into > a magnetic tank bag doesn't seem like a good idea. Has anyone tried > this? > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 13:56:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86HucSi022003; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:56:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Hubnr021993; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:56:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:54:26 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209061354262R.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 September 2002 13:22, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > OK PEOPLE > > > > I just got confirmation that parking is a GO. So get > > your asses to Bike Night this Sunday, 6PM, CarPool. > > > > The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. > > Not to start an AOL style cascade of "me 2's" but I'm planning on riding > there. Black VFR, "DEV VFR" plates. Anyone else? I've told myself that I'm going. Assuming I don't forget, I'll be there. "cranberry" FXSTI, "FOAD" plates. Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 14:12:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86ICkSi022233; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:12:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86ICkAq022223; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:12:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: onboard music Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:12:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2002 18:12:38.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC0B4230:01C255D0] Hmmm... How about something like a Fujitsu Pen Tablet (like the Stylistic 2300, or newer 3x00 series?) Mount it on your tank (some closed cell foam, Cordura and Velcro) and you can hookup your GPS and have the moving map while listening to the MP3's you've stored on the hard drive, and you could even add a wireless NIC and do a little wardriving (or would that be warsquidding?) while you're at it... Get the model with the outdoor-viewable screen, use the stylus while you're on the go. You can hookup the keyboard, floppy, cd, etc. at home as needed. One power hookup, one headphone connection and the serial or USB for the GPS, should make for a pretty neat package. Actually, you could probably just use a GPS PCMCIA card and avoid the extra connection. Perry _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 14:20:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86IKUSi022542; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:20:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86IKSjd022532; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:20:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Proper lock placement Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:20:19 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640913A@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: onboard music Thread-Index: AcJVzgvdjVzzDK6fS3mkbY6nVptJ7AAAGSZQ From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g86IKRSi022515 Hi guys, I have been riding my R6 for a little while, and I even ran some errands on real streets... with car traffic and everything! hehehe... I'm mostly practicing on parking lots, however. Right now, my strategy is to be as smooth as possible in 1st gear, which I have to admit is pretty hard for me to do. I am definately shaky/not confident when it comes to making 90 degree turns from a stop. Slow turns are much easier in second, but it seems logical to think that the twitchy first gear only magnifies my shortcomings whereas second gear covers them up. That's my reasoning for sticking to first gear: I know immediately if I'm messing up. That said, I have a lock question. Right now, I don't have anything to lock the bike to and I'm exploring different options to solve that. After hearing all the stories of bike thefts, I have to admit, my heart beats a little faster every time I look out the window to check if the bike is still there. Comprehensive insurance just isn't making me feel much better. But so far, the bike has stayed put :) I do have a cover for the bike, and today I recieved my 5 foot long "Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit" lock. I wanted to know what the best way of using this chain is, aside from chaining it to something unmovable. I know that with bicycles, you should always chain the frame, not the wheels, since wheels are easy to take off. Does the same hold true for motorcycles? How do you guys chain your bike? Witold www.witold.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 14:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Ic9Si022788; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:38:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Ic8t6022778; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:38:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:42:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906132938.0227c1c0@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Another problem was volume. I took my Johnny Cash collection on a long > Skyline/BRP solo trip last year and could barely hear the man in black at > speed. Think I need an amp or something. AMP??? You wanna go deaf? If not get some of the in-ear style headphones. They cut out the wind/road noise so you can enjoy your music at a reasonable volume. IMO, cant beat these for the price: http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/02ProductDetailCall?ReadForm&Portable+Stereophones^THEPLUG Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 14:41:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86IfISi022852; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:41:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86IfIKZ022845; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:41:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906143933.0244e418@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:41:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906132938.0227c1c0@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:42 PM 9/6/2002, dan wrote: >AMP??? You wanna go deaf? If not get some of the in-ear style headphones. >They cut out the wind/road noise so you can enjoy your music at a >reasonable volume. IMO, cant beat these for the price: I wasn't looking for suggestions. I have tried in the ear - they don't stay very well. I carved out styro from the helmet and placed high end compact speakers in the shell. Worked very well around town - just not at speed. An in-line amp probably would have cured it. Music has to make it through my earplugs as well (old Shoei 800 had a lot of wind noise - probably due to my cutting job with the styro!) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 14:45:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86IjFSi022911; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:45:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86IjE3b022901; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:45:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D78F900.728CF4C5@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:50:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: onboard music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Screw all those ee-lek-tron-ick dee-vices! I sing to meself, vintage rock & rock. Get some cool reverbs inside a full face! Not to mention me singing definately keeps me awake... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 14:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86IlXSi023164; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:47:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86IlWFB023152; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:47:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D78F98E.2460208C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:53:02 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Proper lock placement References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640913A@rnc1.rnchq.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > Hi guys, I have been riding my R6 for a little while, and I even ran some errands on real streets... with car traffic and everything! hehehe... I'm mostly practicing on parking lots, however. > > Right now, my strategy is to be as smooth as possible in 1st gear, which I have to admit is pretty hard for me to do. I am definately shaky/not confident when it comes to making 90 degree turns from a stop. Slow turns are much easier in second, but it seems logical to think that the twitchy first gear only magnifies my shortcomings whereas second gear covers them up. That's my reasoning for sticking to first gear: I know immediately if I'm messing up. > > That said, I have a lock question. Right now, I don't have anything to lock the bike to and I'm exploring different options to solve that. After hearing all the stories of bike thefts, I have to admit, my heart beats a little faster every time I look out the window to check if the bike is still there. Comprehensive insurance just isn't making me feel much better. But so far, the bike has stayed put :) > > I do have a cover for the bike, and today I recieved my 5 foot long "Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit" lock. I wanted to know what the best way of using this chain is, aside from chaining it to something unmovable. I know that with bicycles, you should always chain the frame, not the wheels, since wheels are easy to take off. Does the same hold true for motorcycles? > > How do you guys chain your bike? How about chaining it to the trip wire of a Claymore mine! hardy har har, just kidding, I think... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 14:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86IlZSi023188; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:47:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86IlZfo023184; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:47:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192922@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Koss the Plug earphones Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:48:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can second Dan on this one. I commute daily on 66 and have no problem hearing w/ these. These aren't just ear buds they are ear buds w/ ear plugs attached. They combine your ear plugs, cutting the wind noise and put the music in your ears at a "reasonable" level. I'd assume an amp is going to make the music louder, you don't have to w/ these. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:41 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time At 02:42 PM 9/6/2002, dan wrote: >AMP??? You wanna go deaf? If not get some of the in-ear style headphones. >They cut out the wind/road noise so you can enjoy your music at a >reasonable volume. IMO, cant beat these for the price: I wasn't looking for suggestions. I have tried in the ear - they don't stay very well. I carved out styro from the helmet and placed high end compact speakers in the shell. Worked very well around town - just not at speed. An in-line amp probably would have cured it. Music has to make it through my earplugs as well (old Shoei 800 had a lot of wind noise - probably due to my cutting job with the styro!) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 14:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86IobSi023460; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:50:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86IobWS023450; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:50:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906185034.60506.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:50:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Proper lock placement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640913A@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii First things first - --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services > I am definately shaky/not > confident when it comes to making 90 degree turns > from a stop. There are a few tips and tricks that might make slow-speed maneouvering easier for you. 1) LOOK where you want to go. Very important. While turning, consciously STARE around the corner at the place you want to end up. Don't look right in front of you. 2) U-Turns and other slow-speed stuff: Lean to the outside of the turn while you lean the bike to the inside of the turn. This keeps your center of gravity more toward the vertical making it seem easier and more comfortable to turn at slow speed. 3) When you need to move slowly, hold a steady throttle and adjust your speed by feathering the clutch in and out. I find that it's much easier to adjust speed in tiny increments this way than by using the throttle alone. 4) Have confidence. This is the most important factor. Practice and it will come to you. > How do you guys chain your bike? Whatever you do, make sure you will remember the chain is there before you start to ride off. There are aftermarket things you can buy like ignition plugs that say "lock attached!" that will help you remember. This is very important with disc locks but probably useful with the bulkier chains too. Locking to a solid immovable object is the only real defense. It's very easy for two or three guys to lift a bike into a van and deal with your chain at their own convenience. I see a lot of folks chaining their front wheel to things, and while it's harder to remove a front wheel from a motorcycle than a bicycle, it's still too easy IMO. Run the chain through the frame of your bike (or some other highly integral part of the bike) if you can. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:08:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86J88Si023938; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:08:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86J87QM023928; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:08:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906190802.56671.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:08:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time To: dan , Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- dan wrote: > > Another problem was volume. I took my Johnny Cash > collection on a long > > Skyline/BRP solo trip last year and could barely hear > the man in black at > > speed. > Think I need an amp or something. > > AMP??? You wanna go deaf? If not get some of the in-ear > style headphones. > They cut out the wind/road noise so you can enjoy your > music at a > reasonable volume. IMO, cant beat these for the price: > > http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/02ProductDetailCall?ReadForm&Portable+Stereophones^THEPLUG koss' the PLUG would be better used as a BUTT PLUG. obviously, we're talking about a young or seldom-abused balloon knot here. (thanks, glenn!!) can you guess whether koss' products have worked well for me? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JBDSi024102; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:11:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JBCv8024090; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:11:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906191110.10824.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:11:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Proper lock placement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020906185034.60506.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii supplement to mr. weaver's helpful advice: learn to use the rear brake proficiently for slow speed maneuvers (sp). --- Chris Weaver wrote: > First things first - > > --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services > > I am definately shaky/not > > confident when it comes to making 90 degree turns > > from a stop. > > There are a few tips and tricks that might make > slow-speed maneouvering easier for you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:11:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JBFSi024127; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:11:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JBFkD024122; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:11:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192928@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:12:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The PLUG itself maybe, I wouldn't know, as members of the list have said, take that thing off and put on real ear plugs and they work great. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:08 PM To: dan; Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time --- dan wrote: > > Another problem was volume. I took my Johnny Cash > collection on a long > > Skyline/BRP solo trip last year and could barely hear > the man in black at > > speed. > Think I need an amp or something. > > AMP??? You wanna go deaf? If not get some of the in-ear > style headphones. > They cut out the wind/road noise so you can enjoy your > music at a > reasonable volume. IMO, cant beat these for the price: > > http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/02ProductDetailCall?ReadForm&Portable+S tereophones^THEPLUG koss' the PLUG would be better used as a BUTT PLUG. obviously, we're talking about a young or seldom-abused balloon knot here. (thanks, glenn!!) can you guess whether koss' products have worked well for me? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:20:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JJxSi024430; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:19:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JJx9D024420; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:19:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 6 Sep 2002 19:19:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020906191958.22312.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: butt plugs was something about driving... X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time ...^THEPLUG >koss' the PLUG would be better used as a BUTT PLUG. [Dave] Weren't you and Sean comparing notes about these things yesterday ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JKESi024467; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:20:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JKEY6024461; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:20:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:22:15 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time Message-ID: <5FC88C5B.219F61E0.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've got a slick little MP3 player that holds 6 hours of music and a set of Koss in the ear headphones. Can't think of what they are called but, they are comprised of a earpiece with a tube that goes directly into your ear. The tube is covered by a set of earplugs with a hole through them. I run the cord up through my jacket before I zip it up and have had no problems. Because of the way they are made, the sound quality is incredible. I'm sure they're not as good as the custom molded earplugs but, for ~$15, they work for me. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 6 Sep 2002 9:40:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > I would love to have music when I ride. I ran with helmet speakers for a > while. Finally found a CD player that wouldn't skip (can you believe they > sell them for $20 in bubble plastic now?!?!) but the cords would always > whip around and get in the way. Some outdoor speakers and a head unit > would be sweet. For commuting anyway. > > My D220 rear tire showed up yesterday. Still waiting on the front. Sigh. > > At 10:06 AM 9/6/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >My BMW had an aftermarket radio/cassette stereo installed > on it when it was > >sitting on the showroom floor. > >I had them take if off before delivery. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JNLSi024724; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:23:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JNKnX024714; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:23:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906151804.0244b420@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:23:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time In-Reply-To: <20020906190802.56671.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:08 PM 9/6/2002, you wrote: >koss' the PLUG would be better used as a BUTT PLUG. >obviously, we're talking about a young or seldom-abused >balloon knot here. (thanks, glenn!!) > >can you guess whether koss' products have worked well for >me? Was it the Koss vibrating dildo / butt plug combo? http://www.troutman.org/Images/t418.jpeg I heard you had a thing for the t418, so I kept this picture around. PS - I love this list. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:28:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JSOSi024880; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:28:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JSNf6024870; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:28:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:28:11 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: onboard music Message-ID: <6080C425.0C669EE2.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You shouldn't have too much problems. The magnets are usually pointed down toward the bike and there is usually something shielding them from the topside. I had the same worries with my GPS and my magnetic map pocket that I've got rigged up. Haven't tried it yet but, it should be ok. I actually strap my mp3 player around my leg so when I get off the bike, I don't have to unhook stuff. Works great and puts all the controls in easy reach. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:21:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Tom Gimer > > To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time > > > > shit, dude.... join the 21st century and get an mp3 player > > (route the damn cord correctly too!) > ... > > they also make jukeboxes of ~20gigs or so. these have more > > of a potential to skip (hard drive based), but i've still > > heard good things about 'em for m/c use. > > I have a 6g Archos -- been debating replacing it with an iPod. > Haven't used it on the bike yet, something about putting it into > a magnetic tank bag doesn't seem like a good idea. Has > anyone tried > this? > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JTRSi024929; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:29:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JTQZS024917; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:29:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:27:14 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <5FC88C5B.219F61E0.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5FC88C5B.219F61E0.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209061527142X.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 September 2002 15:22, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got a slick little MP3 player that holds 6 hours of music and a set of > Koss in the ear headphones. Can't think of what they are called but, they > are comprised of a earpiece with a tube that goes directly into your ear. > The tube is covered by a set of earplugs with a hole through them. I run > the cord up through my jacket before I zip it up and have had no problems. > Because of the way they are made, the sound quality is incredible. I'm > sure they're not as good as the custom molded earplugs but, for ~$15, they > work for me. ;-) > I have those earplugs as well and like them except that after a week of using them, my ear canal is sore and I can use them for a couple of days. That's why I got the "stick in the helmet" phones. They're loud enough to hear the music but the voices are fairly muted. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JXuSi025084; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:33:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JXtY1025074; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:33:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192934@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the sam e time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:34:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't have that problem, I usually listen to talk radio w/ them, so hearing voices isn't a problem either. The ear plugs look beat up after a little bit of use, the yellow seems to show dirt. It seems at higher speeds it's harder for me to get good radio reception though. At the beginning of my ride and once I'm in the city it isn't bad, but on the highway I get some static. I bought a couple of digital radios hoping to fix that problem, but they were worse than the little FM walkman I use. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:27 PM To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX; mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time On Friday 06 September 2002 15:22, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got a slick little MP3 player that holds 6 hours of music and a set of > Koss in the ear headphones. Can't think of what they are called but, they > are comprised of a earpiece with a tube that goes directly into your ear. > The tube is covered by a set of earplugs with a hole through them. I run > the cord up through my jacket before I zip it up and have had no problems. > Because of the way they are made, the sound quality is incredible. I'm > sure they're not as good as the custom molded earplugs but, for ~$15, they > work for me. ;-) > I have those earplugs as well and like them except that after a week of using them, my ear canal is sore and I can use them for a couple of days. That's why I got the "stick in the helmet" phones. They're loud enough to hear the music but the voices are fairly muted. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:35:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JZQSi025337; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:35:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JZPx9025327; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:35:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:28:36 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dan@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time Message-ID: <43120478.5B172102.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Agreed. Those are exactly what I've got. Just didn't look them up before I posted earlier. :-) They work great. Used them on my trip out to Cali and back. No problem with hearing at all. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 6 Sep 2002 1:42:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Another problem was volume. I took my Johnny Cash collection on a long > > Skyline/BRP solo trip last year and could barely hear the man in black at > > speed. > Think I need an amp or something. > > AMP??? You wanna go deaf? If not get some of the in-ear style headphones. > They cut out the wind/road noise so you can enjoy your music at a > reasonable volume. IMO, cant beat these for the price: > > http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/02ProductDetailCall?Rea > dForm&Portable+Stereophones^THEPLUG > > Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:41:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Jf2Si025522; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:41:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Jf2Yn025512; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:41:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the sam e time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:38:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192934@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192934@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209061538512Y.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 September 2002 15:34, Rich Hall wrote: > I don't have that problem, I usually listen to talk radio w/ them, so > hearing voices isn't a problem either. The ear plugs look beat up after a > little bit of use, the yellow seems to show dirt. It seems at higher > speeds it's harder for me to get good radio reception though. At the > beginning of my ride and once I'm in the city it isn't bad, but on the > highway I get some static. I bought a couple of digital radios hoping to > fix that problem, but they were worse than the little FM walkman I use. > The only place I get any reception problems is at 95 as I pass The Pentagon. Which way do you come in and what stations do you listen to? I have a Sony jogger radio; straps to your arm. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:45:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JjZSi025590; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:45:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JjZ5i025580; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:45:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD519293B@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the sam e time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:46:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" McLean to DC (soon Ballston to DC) on 66, listening to WJFK, 106.7. It's a cheap Sony FM Walkman, I got it off my little brother. I keep it in the pocket of my jacket. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the sam e time On Friday 06 September 2002 15:34, Rich Hall wrote: > I don't have that problem, I usually listen to talk radio w/ them, so > hearing voices isn't a problem either. It seems at higher > speeds it's harder for me to get good radio reception though. At the > beginning of my ride and once I'm in the city it isn't bad, but on the > highway I get some static. I bought a couple of digital radios hoping to > fix that problem, but they were worse than the little FM walkman I use. > The only place I get any reception problems is at 95 as I pass The Pentagon. Which way do you come in and what stations do you listen to? I have a Sony jogger radio; straps to your arm. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Jl7Si025627; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:47:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Jl7bT025616; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:47:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:41:19 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the sam e time Message-ID: <791B67E7.2836A47C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've got the same radio. My first attempt at music on the bike actually. I put the strap at it's max width and strap it around my upper leg/thigh. Works good for reaching the controls and seeing the display. Took the same strap and used it with my mp3 player. Works the same. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 6 Sep 2002 2:38:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Friday 06 September 2002 15:34, Rich Hall wrote: > > I don't have that problem, I usually listen to talk radio w/ them, so > > hearing voices isn't a problem either. The ear plugs look beat up after a > > little bit of use, the yellow seems to show dirt. It seems at higher > > speeds it's harder for me to get good radio reception though. At the > > beginning of my ride and once I'm in the city it isn't bad, but on the > > highway I get some static. I bought a couple of digital radios hoping to > > fix that problem, but they were worse than the little FM walkman I use. > > > > The only place I get any reception problems is at 95 as I pass The Pentagon. > Which way do you come in and what stations do you listen to? I have a Sony > jogger radio; straps to your arm. > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and > address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:55:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JtXSi026044; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:55:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JtW54026037; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:55:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the sam e time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:53:21 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <791B67E7.2836A47C.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <791B67E7.2836A47C.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209061553212Z.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 September 2002 15:41, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got the same radio. My first attempt at music on the bike actually. > I put the strap at it's max width and strap it around my upper leg/thigh. > Works good for reaching the controls and seeing the display. Took the same > strap and used it with my mp3 player. Works the same. > > Scooter > I hook mine on my tail bag, run the radio lead from the Aircom to the input and the helmet connection to my helmet. I originally had it on my upper arm. I can reach back behind my right rear pocket and hit one of the buttons to change the station or volume pretty easily. Gotta watch the volume though *ow* Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:57:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86JvFSi026188; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:57:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86JvF6D026183; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:57:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the sam e time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:55:03 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD519293B@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD519293B@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02090615550330.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 September 2002 15:46, Rich Hall wrote: > McLean to DC (soon Ballston to DC) on 66, listening to WJFK, 106.7. It's a > cheap Sony FM Walkman, I got it off my little brother. I keep it in the > pocket of my jacket. > I'm listening to 104.1 whatever the heck that station is. No talking at 5am or 3pm on the way home (or 5pm if I'm running late). Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 15:59:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Jx1Si026236; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:59:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Jx1Jq026225; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:59:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music was Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the sam e time Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:56:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <791B67E7.2836A47C.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <791B67E7.2836A47C.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02090615565031.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 06 September 2002 15:41, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got the same radio. My first attempt at music on the bike actually. > I put the strap at it's max width and strap it around my upper leg/thigh. > Works good for reaching the controls and seeing the display. Took the same > strap and used it with my mp3 player. Works the same. > > Scooter > Around your *thigh*? I would need an extender strap to fit it around my thigh. 29" I think at last measurement (for the chaps which fit as of last night when I checked). That's why I ride a cruiser ;-) Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 16:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86K6OSi026539; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:06:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86K6OrR026529; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:06:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:07:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C31E@wash58.acs.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2002 20:05:15.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7002330:01C255E0] I might go. Really muddy klr650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 16:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86KCSSi026709; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:12:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86KCSil026699; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:12:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906201225.21026.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906151804.0244b420@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 03:08 PM 9/6/2002, you wrote: > >koss' the PLUG would be better used as a BUTT PLUG. > >obviously, we're talking about a young or seldom-abused > >balloon knot here. (thanks, glenn!!) > > > >can you guess whether koss' products have worked well > for > >me? > > Was it the Koss vibrating dildo / butt plug combo? > > http://www.troutman.org/Images/t418.jpeg actually, no.... i was referring to their cheapio in-ear loudspeakers. quite frankly, i wouldn't trust my asshole to any product that koss makes. shit. i think i've finally made myself sick.... confirmed upon a re-reading. anyone who has ridden a ducati superbike knows that you don't need a koss product of any type to put a real nice hurtin' and heatin' on your backside.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 16:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86KJtSi026884; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:19:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86KJsou026871; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:19:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906194921.30642.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: butt plugs was something about driving... To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020906191958.22312.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the > same time > ...^THEPLUG > >koss' the PLUG would be better used as a BUTT PLUG. > > [Dave] Weren't you and Sean comparing notes about these > things yesterday ? that yanker was apparently far too busy with his vibrating broomstick to compare anything with me.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 16:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86KdDSi027118; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:39:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86KdCJY027108; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:39:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906203910.51753.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: RE: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT To: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm planning on going; maroon suzuki marauder 800 --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > I might go. > > Really muddy klr650 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 17:37:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Lb1Si027580; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:37:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Lb1D0027570; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:37:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:37:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200209061737.AA190775772@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore X-Mailer: Yeah. I've been tempted to disconnect my rear brake's brake-light switch so I can control what drivers behind me see with just the front brake lever. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:46:20 EDT >In a message dated 9/6/2002 10:46:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: >> keep squeezing and releasing the brake lever - FLASH those lights. > >Damn straight! > >And remember you have two brake light switches, if you hold one you cannot >flash with the other. > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 17:41:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86Lf7Si027659; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:41:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86Lf4we027644; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:41:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020906214102.17694.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: DC Inspection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm leaving the comfy confines of Virginia for the city -- just closed on the new condo on Wednesday. Thus, I've started the first step of the DMV dance . . . the motorcycle inspection. Observation 1: People in queue are like cattle. We just sort of line up where we're herded without thought, question, or any semblance of individuality. There were three lines of cars. Line 1 - 7 cars. Line 2 - 5 cars. Line 3 - 1 car. Why? Because that's the general direction in which the lady at the gate pointed. But -- and here's the secret -- she doesn't care what line you go to. She's just gesturing in the right direction (as if the cones, lined pavement, and chainlink fence don't make it obvious enough). Anyway, I was generally directed into Line 2. Moo. I got into Line 3. Observation 2: Why do the supervisors at the inspection station need a badge on their belt? Do they make sneak undercover inspections and need to prove their identity? But, even in that case, doesn't the little nametag thing do it? Observation 3: Motorcycles get screwed. There are special lines for: 4x4s, old people, heavy duty vehicles, and oversized vehicles. All of these vehicles go through the same battery of tests as any other family sedan driven by someone under 55 -- safety check, exhaust gas inspection, etc. Motorcycles go through the safety check only -- blinkers, horn, highbeams. Is there a special line for this special class of vehicle? No. I get to the inspection line. I wait in line. I get to the inspection lane. I wait in line. I get to the front of the line. The inspection guy hops up on my bike(!), starts it, stalls it (!!), tries to start it with the throttle twisted and fails (it's fuel-injected), rides it forward three feet or so (!!!), slams on the brakes, and then shuts it off. What's up with that? In Virginia, all inspections were done with ME on the bike. I wouldn't place money on the fact that DC has a "drop it and I bought it" policy. I pass the inspection (apparently). I'm told to drive around to the front of the building and wait there. I do. And wait. And wait. The cars that were in front of me are busy doing their exhaust gas analysis, etc. I'm waiting. The cars initially in front of me make their way through the line. I'm waiting. The car that was directly in front of me leaves. I'm waiting. Finally, out comes someone with a sticker. Ooops. Not the kind that works too well on a bike (unless you have a desire to read the back of it. I'm waiting. Finally, the right sticker comes out, I put it on, and get ready to go. Why did I have to wait for the cars to come and go? Moo, I guess. Oh, and the sticker's only good for one year. "But the car in front of me got a sticker for two years," I protest. Stony silence. Then the explanation "Motorcycles must get inspected every year." Why??? No one knows. Moo-ooo. Anyway . . . Time arrived at inspection station: 4:10 pm. Time left the inspection station: 5:09 pm. Under an hour -- woohoo! (So, not so bad with the waiting. Except, I could've been out of there in twenty minutes.) -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 18:01:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86M12Si028246; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:01:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86M127a028236; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:01:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a7.7f9fa02.2aaa7f8f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:00:47 EDT Subject: RE: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 count me in for the bike night festivities! all of you should know what i drive by now --- the purple monster :) honda shadow (please note: i left off the word 'cute' even tho someone at work today told me that my m/c is cute!) see ya there! jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 18:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86M1OSi028307; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:01:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86M1OQE028302; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:01:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.4] From: "Adam Wah" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wheelie marks Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:01:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2002 22:01:16.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC945010:01C255F0] >From everything I've everseen (former tow truck owner and operator) by looking at the bike and the impact forensics on both the truck and the bike... one could accurately determine if the MC had his nose in the sky or not. This is not a conspiracy theory... it's science and it's routine on-scene observations. Pretty simple really. I have to give cops credit, they usually check everything...if there is a death involved, they REALLY ensure the facts and forensics corroberate. From: "Jeannette Zell" To: danthompson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unfortunate Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:48:33 -0400 I guess when there's only one witness left to give the account, he could say anything he wants to. So sad. Rest in peace. Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 18:08:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86M8rSi028602; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:08:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86M8qHf028594; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:08:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <80.211f53f0.2aaa816a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:08:42 EDT Subject: Re: guitars and motorcycles.. etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 thanks for all of your suggestions! i usually store my bike about 15 miles northwest of me. since i have my bike with me, my car is where i usually store my bike. this is why i cant take my guitar to church 20 miles east of me in the car. (like i said in the last email -- poor planning.) i can have someone bring his spare. i can ride with it on my back with the neck facing down. that seems to be the best way. or i can strap it down as long as the guitar is completely protected from the bungee straps -- needs to be tight yet not harmful. now about that attachment to carry a bicycle or golf clubs. the whole bicycle thing looks like it rocks!! im not too interested in the golf club carrier for a few reasons. i dont golf and what's stopping the clubs from flying out and becoming a projectile!? (wasnt this just posted about yesterday with bottles/cans/etc?) ill let you know how it works out! id just stay home in western pa and go to church but we have some missionaries from africa visiting my church here this sunday -- cant miss that!? (plus i wanna try this whole guitar on the bike thing!) see ya sunday! jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 18:11:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86MBpSi028760; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:11:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86MBp8n028750; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:11:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.4] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:10:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2002 22:10:45.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F328FC0:01C255F2] I was up in the hills a few weeks ago and I was riding through a series whoopie dips that ended in a sharp left, skirting a rock face... any way there was a "roadside shrine" set up on this huge oak tree and the oak tree's bark was definately hacked and burned... must have been ugly. Also out on the Leed's Manor Road there is a series of whoopie dips (or whatever they're called) and last year there was a "roadside shrine" set up on this single track which went over a hill and through a cow fence.... it looked like the victim was riding bitch and died as a result.... >So for those of us who love the stunts, I remind you to be mindful to make sure there is no traffic around when you do it. I mean SURE. run off room would be nice too.. cuz hitting a tree and dying is dying all the same. Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 18:12:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86MCZSi028794; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:12:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86MCZ2X028784; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:12:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.4] From: "Adam Wah" To: sdave@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dumb cops Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:12:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2002 22:12:28.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CBC3170:01C255F2] Cops aren't that stupid...FFC cops have Bachelors degrees in criminal justice Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 18:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86MOSSi029103; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:24:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86MORJB029093; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:24:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020906181949.01dd5b88@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:24:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906143933.0244e418@mail.troutman.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906132938.0227c1c0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:41 PM 9/6/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 02:42 PM 9/6/2002, dan wrote: >>AMP??? You wanna go deaf? If not get some of the in-ear style headphones. >>They cut out the wind/road noise so you can enjoy your music at a >>reasonable volume. IMO, cant beat these for the price: > >I wasn't looking for suggestions. I have tried in the ear - they don't >stay very well. I carved out styro from the helmet and placed high end >compact speakers in the shell. Worked very well around town - just not at >speed. An in-line amp probably would have cured it. Music has to make it >through my earplugs as well (old Shoei 800 had a lot of wind noise - >probably due to my cutting job with the styro!) Mike, I KNOW you didn't ask for suggestions but for anyone else who may be looking for an earplug that works *really* well and is CHEAP, check out the Koss "The Plug". It's like ear plugs that forms to your ear canal and has the added benefit of cutting out wind noise but you can still hear cars, sirens etc. But it makes a HUGE difference in sound quality. Nice deep bass. It comes with extra foam as well as extra foam inserts to accommodate different types of ear canals. I had the same problem you had with wind noise and low sound quality until I got turned on to these. Now I don't even have to turn up the volume more than 3/4. Here's a site that stocks them: http://www.headphones.com/headphones/html/koss/portable/koss_alternative.html?mySimon cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 18:25:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g86MPpSi029245; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:25:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g86MPpCw029235; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:25:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.4] From: "Adam Wah" To: j_picton@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:25:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2002 22:25:44.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[5716D310:01C255F4] >I am with you - take the deep breath... I used to similiar stuff in the >past, but I am trying not to give in to the urge anymore... It's >getting >f*cking dangerous out there... And crowded and the little buzzbomb cars are quicker, people are HAVE watched the "Fast and the Furious" and the chase scene from RONIN & quite frankly... the odds of sliding HAVE increased. Superbikes are owned and operated by total idiots. Recipe for disaster...A man (or woman) has to know their limitations... I mean come on...we ALL popped wheelies and sped down the backroads and neighborhoods... but do you know what...putting a wheel in the air is so much easier with the right equipment that with a Honda CB350, or an old piece of crap HD or some old technology. Now with the HP and Torque available right out of the shop... bam. Hurt said 1/3 of MC accidents happen during wheelies... here is some other Hurt report stats... 90% of ALL MC accidents happen to riders who have been riding LESS than 1 year. What's the percentage of riders who are not licensed to ride... it's up there but I can't put my hand on it right. Anyway... everybody have a great weekend riding. I have to work the next 2 THEN I can hit the road on the 21st. Sad but true. seeya! "HONK IF YOU NEVER SEEN A WEAPON FIRED FROM A MOTORCYCLE" Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 20:03:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8703mSi030279; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:03:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8703lJm030272; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:03:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001901c25602$0542c360$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:03:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Count me in, but I will be leaving from Annapolis around 7:30pm. Save me a space in the line, Black/blue Nighthawk, no specialty plates but new helmet yeah Scott 84 Honda Nighthawk CB700SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > OK PEOPLE > > > > I just got confirmation that parking is a GO. So get > > your asses to Bike Night this Sunday, 6PM, CarPool. > > > > The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. > > > > Not to start an AOL style cascade of "me 2's" but I'm planning on riding > there. Black VFR, "DEV VFR" plates. Anyone else? > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 20:07:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8707WSi030539; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:07:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8707VUO030526; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:07:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007601c25602$8dabe010$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: , References: <1a7.7f9fa02.2aaa7f8f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:07:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cagers, what do they know. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: RE: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT > count me in for the bike night festivities! all of you should know what i > drive by now --- the purple monster :) honda shadow (please note: i left > off the word 'cute' even tho someone at work today told me that my m/c is > cute!) > > see ya there! > > jenn > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 20:36:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g870aGSi030789; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:36:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g870aGL1030778; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:36:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <47.22b478c6.2aaaa3f6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:36:06 EDT Subject: Re: Rearviews again to the fore To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 5:37:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah. I've been tempted to disconnect my rear brake's brake-light switch so > I can control what drivers behind me see with just the front brake lever. On my last few bikes I have disconnected my front brake light with no problems. On one of them I was able to connect the wires to an unused button on the handlebars so I had a button I could push to wink my brake light. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 20:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g870mTSi030973; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:48:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g870mSWt030963; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:48:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <94.2c0dfb73.2aaaa6d1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:48:17 EDT Subject: collin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hello again :) i kinda chatted with collin today. he used to post here before moving away. for some reason he's unable to post to the list. *shrug* he says 'hello' to all and that he will be up for a visit mid-november. happy trails... jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 20:49:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g870nOSi031008; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:49:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g870nNmB031004; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:49:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a4.7fb02ec.2aaaa70a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:49:14 EDT Subject: Re: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/6/2002 6:26:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > Hurt said 1/3 of > MC accidents happen during wheelies... Nope. See http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/hurt.html John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 21:04:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8714vSi031344; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:04:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8714tbx031334; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:04:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Squids 'r' Us :-) Message-ID: <20020906180122.N52359-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://home.attbi.com/~tdekeyserx/083002_redlinecrashbrokenpromowmvsm.wmv "Stupid hurts" -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 22:53:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g872rfSi031965; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:53:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g872rdbN031955; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:53:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:53:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: DC Inspection From: Jeff Steele To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <018D4EC7-C20D-11D6-BBBA-00306541B6AC@steele.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) > Observation 1: People in queue are like cattle. We > just sort of line up where we're herded without > thought, question, or any semblance of individuality. Aaron: Next time, just go to directly to the front of the line where the person directing cars through the gates is. They will let you go in. Then, if there is an empty lane, use that to get to the very front. That's what I did about a week ago. > > Observation 3: Motorcycles get screwed. There are > special lines for: 4x4s, old people, heavy duty > vehicles, and oversized vehicles. All of these > vehicles go through the same battery of tests as any > other family sedan driven by someone under 55 -- > safety check, exhaust gas inspection, etc. > Motorcycles go through the safety check only -- > blinkers, horn, highbeams. Is there a special line > for this special class of vehicle? No. > This is correct, but both I and other listers have been given preferential treatment and either allowed to (or explicitly directed to) cut to the head of the line. > The inspection guy hops up on my bike(!), starts it, > stalls it (!!), tries to start it with the throttle > twisted and fails (it's fuel-injected), rides it > forward three feet or so (!!!), slams on the brakes, > and then shuts it off. What's up with that? In > Virginia, all inspections were done with ME on the > bike. I wouldn't place money on the fact that DC has > a "drop it and I bought it" policy. > This is insane and never happened on any of my inspections. I wouldn't have allowed it. > I pass the inspection (apparently). I'm told to drive > around to the front of the building and wait there. I > do. And wait. And wait. The cars that were in front > of me are busy doing their exhaust gas analysis, etc. > I'm waiting. The cars initially in front of me make > their way through the line. I'm waiting. The car > that was directly in front of me leaves. I'm waiting. > Finally, out comes someone with a sticker. Ooops. > Not the kind that works too well on a bike (unless you > have a desire to read the back of it. I'm waiting. > Finally, the right sticker comes out, I put it on, and > get ready to go. Why did I have to wait for the cars > to come and go? Moo, I guess. > The guy who inspected your bike entered all the info into a hand held computer. That info gets uploaded to their main system and is used to print a sticker. However, the stickers are printed in the order that the data is entered (first in, first out). You just had to wait for the cars ahead of you to get their stickers before yours was printed. The guy who inspected my bike explained all of this to me. Welcome to DC Jeff Steele '99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 23:14:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g873EDSi032292; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:14:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g873EDxX032285; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:14:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020906230742.00a03510@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:14:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT In-Reply-To: <20020906171000.896.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Mark Kitchell posted: >The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. Pshaw......Rank amateurs. If I get out of Summit early enough, I'll ride out and officiate. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 6 23:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g873uDSi032615; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:56:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g873uBOU032605; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:56:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: Subject: Re: Proper lock placement Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:54:52 -0400 Message-ID: <0ltinusg68hmvsvingpvaj885q7h2a3biu@4ax.com> References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640913A@rnc1.rnchq.org> In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640913A@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g873uASi032588 Yes, use your clutch in and out smoothly, for the low speed turns, and practice brings confince. So i second all that stuff. About the lock, yes through the fame (and not sub frame!) and if your car has an alarm, even better lock it to that. Comprehensive insurance? Are you crazy? If someone steals your bike you'll be paying for years on something you can't see can't touch can't ride... somethign youll just cry about. Literally cry. over and over. You need to plot and plan and figure out a way to get full coverage. Discuss here, we'll help you out. there are a number of options. 1. register it in a trusted family member's name. 2. register it in a business name. 3. sell it and buy a bike that won't get stolen but is fun to ride. dude it really does happen all the time, people with no insurance get their bikes stolen or crashed up.. do you really want to be one of them? in the mean time, since you dont' have full coverage, I *HIGHLY* recommend you rent a storage unit for the bike and not leave it outside at night. If you can afford all the gear, the bike and what have you, you can afford the storage unit. probably 75 bux a month..but that's not bad as insurance on your 8,000 uninsured bike dude. Do it. Just imagine right now really think about it, what you would go th rough if your bike was gone! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 00:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g874NZSi000393; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:23:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g874NX96000386; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:23:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Proper lock placement Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640913C@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Proper lock placement Thread-Index: AcJWIoCUHc+IadftRuKvoFeDJF0cTAAA6FLC From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g874NWSi000374 Yes, use your clutch in and out smoothly, for the low speed turns, and practice brings confince. So i second all that stuff. About the lock, yes through the fame (and not sub frame!) and if your car has an alarm, even better lock it to that. Comprehensive insurance? Are you crazy? If someone steals your bike you'll be paying for years on something you can't see can't touch can't ride... somethign youll just cry about. Literally cry. over and over. You need to plot and plan and figure out a way to get full coverage. Discuss here, we'll help you out. there are a number of options. 1. register it in a trusted family member's name. 2. register it in a business name. 3. sell it and buy a bike that won't get stolen but is fun to ride. dude it really does happen all the time, people with no insurance get their bikes stolen or crashed up.. do you really want to be one of them? in the mean time, since you dont' have full coverage, I *HIGHLY* recommend you rent a storage unit for the bike and not leave it outside at night. If you can afford all the gear, the bike and what have you, you can afford the storage unit. probably 75 bux a month..but that's not bad as insurance on your 8,000 uninsured bike dude. Do it. Just imagine right now really think about it, what you would go th rough if your bike was gone! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 01:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8751HSi000701; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 01:01:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8751GcL000691; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 01:01:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Proper lock placement Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 01:01:09 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640913E@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Proper lock placement Thread-Index: AcJWIoCUHc+IadftRuKvoFeDJF0cTAAA9dUC From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8751ESi000674 >About the lock, yes through the fame (and not sub frame!) >and if your car has an alarm, even better lock it to that. What's the difference between a frame and a sub frame? Tonight, I just threw the chain around the back wheel, the bike chain, and the metal part that holds the wheel (swing arm?)... It seems to be tight and sturdy. >Comprehensive insurance? Are you crazy? If someone steals your bike >you'll be paying for years on something you can't see can't touch >can't ride... somethign youll just cry about. Literally cry. over and >over. You need to plot and plan and figure out a way to get full >coverage. Discuss here, we'll help you out. there are a number of >options. >1. register it in a trusted family member's name. >2. register it in a business name. >3. sell it and buy a bike that won't get stolen but is fun to ride. >dude it really does happen all the time, people with no insurance get >their bikes stolen or crashed up.. do you really want to be one of >them? >in the mean time, since you dont' have full coverage, I *HIGHLY* >recommend you rent a storage unit for the bike and not leave it >outside at night. If you can afford all the gear, the bike and what >have you, you can afford the storage unit. probably 75 bux a >month..but that's not bad as insurance on your 8,000 uninsured bike >dude. Do it. Just imagine right now really think about it, what you >would go th rough if your bike was gone! Actually, I do have full coverage. I have "collision" ($1000 deductible) and "comprehensive" ($500 deductible) from Progressive. According to Progressive: "Comprehensive Coverage: Pays for loss or damage to your covered vehicle caused by any event other than collision. This includes damages due to events such as fire, theft, windstorm, flood, and vandalism. We will also pay transportation and loss of use expenses under this coverage if your motor vehicle is stolen." So it looks like I'm set. I still worry though :) I'm thinking about taking the bike onto the grass in front of the apartments and chaining it to a tree :) I'll look into it tomorrow to see if that would work or if it would be too risky to leave it around on the grass like that. I can just imagine what the management will say if they see that though... They are... shall we say... "stringent" :) when it comes to anything and everything. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 04:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g878ZRSi002155; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 04:35:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g878ZNDH002145; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 04:35:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Jeff Steele Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Inspection Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 04:34:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <018D4EC7-C20D-11D6-BBBA-00306541B6AC@steele.com> In-Reply-To: <018D4EC7-C20D-11D6-BBBA-00306541B6AC@steele.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g878ZMSi002133 What did the guy look like who hopped on your bike? tall ball headed? (reggie) short and jamacian? (seepoe) FYI other listers go to the employees only lane.. . they do give bikes preferential treatment as a few of them ride and more *like* bikes... so they normally wave bikes in to the front. I doubt anyone would give you a problem but say that you were directed to this lane the last time you were there... or you could say your looking for reggie or seepoe and say I (danny) told me to ask for them to inspect your bike or something. Reggie acts like a dick sometimes.. he mentions how he burns out peoples tires for kicks to scare them. He's lucky he doesn't get fired if you ask me... but he's okay.. could be worse. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 04:38:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g878chSi002510; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 04:38:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g878ch69002502; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 04:38:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Adam Wah" Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 04:38:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g878cgSi002490 hmm road side shrines as markers of "someone crashed on t his spot" " you could too... be careful" is nto exactly a bad idea... say put a blade from a picket fence everywhere someone crashes... and you could see how serious some spots are. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 05:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g879ShSi003094; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 05:28:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g879Sg0B003084; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 05:28:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 05:28:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1a4.7fb02ec.2aaaa70a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1a4.7fb02ec.2aaaa70a@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g879SfSi003072 I recall reading on usenet the hurt report stated that 1/3 of all accidents were from wheelies... the link below is a summery. Maybe that statement is true and left out of that summery? On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:49:14 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 9/6/2002 6:26:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > >> Hurt said 1/3 of >> MC accidents happen during wheelies... > >Nope. > >See > http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/hurt.html > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 06:44:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87AifSi003563; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 06:44:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87Aid8w003553; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 06:44:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D79D9DC.7192C96B@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:50:04 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Motor PsychoL Danny CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: References: <1a4.7fb02ec.2aaaa70a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aha, usenet, an unimpeachable soure of absolutely correct information. ( I laugh hysterically). I don't recall "wheelies" coming into play in the Hurt report, and the 3 things from Hurt that stuck in my tiny brain are: The large percenatge of crashes caused by an alcohol impaired rider, running wide in turns, and overuse of rear brake. Bill Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > I recall reading on usenet the hurt report stated that 1/3 of all > accidents were from wheelies... the link below is a summery. Maybe > that statement is true and left out of that summery? > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:49:14 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > >In a message dated 9/6/2002 6:26:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > > > >> Hurt said 1/3 of > >> MC accidents happen during wheelies... > > > >Nope. > > > >See > > http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/hurt.html > > > > > >John. > >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 07:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87BDmSi003823; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:13:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87BDm9g003813; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:13:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.4] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Real bike camping Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 11:13:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2002 11:13:41.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F3BBF50:01C2565F] Cold cuts? What ever happened to a cold can of pork and beans and a warm can of suds? Oh and I suppose you use a "sleepy time bag" too. The only way to go is a 100% wool army (or navy aka squid) blanket which smells of mothballs. I went camping once up in tahoo with a case of MD 20/20 and 1 army blanket per (there were 4 or 5 of us), made a big fire (we were above the timberline) and FROOOOZE our a$$e$ off. We used to camp in Hatteras (B4 the invasion) and the mosquitoes were so big *how big were they* the could F a turkey flatfoot. I did learn to take a mosquito net tent. Repellent? Wear leather. During the day on beach was okay. >Real motorcycle camping means arriving at 10PM, in the >rain, to try and eat some coldcuts and get some sleep >before the 500 miles tomorrow! Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 07:26:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87BQeSi004010; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:26:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87BQbME003995; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:26:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D79E3B7.B3E4F3A7@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:32:07 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Wah CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Real bike camping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back in the good ol' days (`80s), my on the road camping was rest stops. Flake out the bedroll on a picnic table and *snoozzee*. Now the LEOs don't take kindly to that. Except in the south where the border Welcome rest stops have actual campsites! Advice: Do not tour Canada after Labor Day. They close the campgrounds, you have to wheel the bike around the gate and tuck it behind bushes while you snooze. Not to mention, it's winky-shrivaling cold! Woke up more'n one morning with breath frost on the inside of the tent. Bill Adam Wah wrote: > Cold cuts? What ever happened to a cold can of pork and beans and a warm > can of suds? Oh and I suppose you use a "sleepy time bag" too. The only > way to go is a 100% wool army (or navy aka squid) blanket which smells of > mothballs. > > I went camping once up in tahoo with a case of MD 20/20 and 1 army blanket > per (there were 4 or 5 of us), made a big fire (we were above the > timberline) and FROOOOZE our a$$e$ off. > > We used to camp in Hatteras (B4 the invasion) and the mosquitoes were so big > *how big were they* > the could F a turkey flatfoot. > > I did learn to take a mosquito net tent. Repellent? Wear leather. > During the day on beach was okay. > > >Real motorcycle camping means arriving at 10PM, in the > >rain, to try and eat some coldcuts and get some sleep > >before the 500 miles tomorrow! > > Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with > Catsup. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 08:16:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87CGqSi004449; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:16:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87CGmjD004434; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:16:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020907121646.44444.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 05:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1a7.7f9fa02.2aaa7f8f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well we can finally see if all your self promotion has any merit. --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > count me in for the bike night festivities! all of > you should know what i > drive by now --- the purple monster :) honda shadow > (please note: i left > off the word 'cute' even tho someone at work today > told me that my m/c is > cute!) > > see ya there! > > jenn > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 08:31:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87CVCSi004751; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:31:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87CVCXs004741; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:31:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 08:30:42 -0400 Subject: Italianmotofest Sept.21-22 From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Folks The Italianmotofest is scheduled for two days this year. All makes welcome, but bike is open only to Italian makes. Full info a www.italianmotofest.com Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 09:15:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87DFmSi005072; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:15:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87DFluE005062; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:15:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.49.179.96] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: guitars and motorcycles Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:14:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2002 13:14:38.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[84A88E00:01C25670] I regularly carry a guitar or bass on my bike. I use the softcase that has the backpack style shoulder straps. I don't have much hassle with the wind at all. If you find it pulling too much, just slow down. You should adjust the shoulder strap length so that the bottom of the guitar rests on the seat behind you. This way you will minimise the amount sticking up over your head. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 10:53:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87ErRSi005594; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:53:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87ErQ8n005584; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:53:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020907103832.039e1740@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:39:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Discuss Amongst Yourselves ;-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 6, 2002 >CONTACT: Eric Skrum, Communications Director >608-849-6000 or nma@XXXXXX > >Fix The Problem, Not Your Budget (National Stop on Red Week) > >National Stop On Red Week should be renamed "get a ticket camera and make >money." This is a public relations device used to promote the use of red >light cameras and raise revenue for unethical cities, while ignoring proven >solutions that reduce accidents. > >Actual experience has shown that the most likely solution to intersections >with high rates of violations is a simple increase in the yellow light >duration. Yet, ticket camera merchants and revenue-strapped cities refuse >to apply this inexpensive engineering solution. They prefer to apply >cameras that reward the city for poor engineering practices. > >Every study that supports red light cameras has been discredited. It has >been shown in each instance where red light cameras were credited to have >decreased accidents, that the real cause was an engineering improvement to >the intersection. Even the AAA has stated that engineering solutions should >be the preferred method of decreasing violations. > >But something as simple as increasing the yellow light duration has >continually been rebuffed in favor of profit. > >Ticket cameras greatest practical harm is that they reward and perpetuate >improper installation, maintenance and operation of traffic lights. >Motorists should not be penalized and cities rewarded because cities have >failed their responsibility to provide safe, properly engineered >intersections. Ticket cameras cannot correct traffic signal flaws and they >do not eliminate intersection accidents. > >If you would like to find more detailed information on ticket cameras versus >real solutions to intersection violations and accidents, please visit >http://www.motorists.org/pressreleases/cameras/index.html > >The National Motorists Association (NMA) was established in 1982 to >represent the interests and rights of North American motorists. It operates >at the national level and through a system of state chapters. The NMA is >supported through the contributions of individuals, families and small >businesses. For more information about the NMA, call 608-849-6000, Email us >at nma@XXXXXX, or visit the NMA web site at http://www.motorists.org. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 11:52:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87FqKSi005961; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:52:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87FqJ6G005953; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:52:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Progressive and Track Day Wreck Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c25686$8b210a80$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.156.170.76] using ID at Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:52:09 -0500 Any Progressive customers ever made a claim for a track day wreck? Rob C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 12:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87GajSi006267; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:36:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87Gai90006257; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:36:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: Progressive and Track Day Wreck Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:28:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c2568b$bfd5d4e0$3a81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000001c25686$8b210a80$6401a8c0@cypher> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Nope. But don't they exclude track events from coverage? Dave Yates -----Original Message----- From: Rob Curtis [mailto:rm.curtis@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:52 AM To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Progressive and Track Day Wreck Any Progressive customers ever made a claim for a track day wreck? Rob C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 14:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87IHISi006854; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:17:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87IHHPD006847; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:17:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926C6@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'DC-CYCLES '" Subject: Insurance (was Proper lock placement) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:18:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Witold said he has 1000 for collision and 500 for comprehensive. I have 250 for coll and 500 for comp. My '94 Seca II is cheaper to insure than an R6 and less likely to be stolen. Do most have a higher deductable on collision or comprehensive? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 16:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87KTnSi007635; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:29:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87KThbQ007620; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:29:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020907162022.009f54f0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 16:21:43 -0400 To: Motor PsychoL Danny , "Adam Wah" From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Out in Montana they have these little crosses where people have died put up by some group. It's very strange and at some places there are a half-dozen or so. Most of the time there are only one or two. Carl At 04:38 AM 9/7/02 -0400, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >hmm road side shrines as markers of "someone crashed on t his spot" >" you could too... be careful" is nto exactly a bad idea... say put >a blade from a picket fence everywhere someone crashes... and you >could see how serious some spots are. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 16:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87KV7Si007672; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:31:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87KV7k2007663; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:31:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020907162258.009e4370@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 16:24:19 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT In-Reply-To: <001901c25602$0542c360$9865fea9@Godzilla> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm bringing a guest tomorrow. A couple of months ago a couple moved on across the street. He has a 550 Ninja? Well, 550 something. While outside raking, weeding, and mowing, I stopped by and asked if he was interested. See you all tomorrow. Carl At 08:03 PM 9/6/02 -0400, S. Russell wrote: >Count me in, but I will be leaving from Annapolis around 7:30pm. Save me a >space in the line, Black/blue Nighthawk, no specialty plates but new helmet >yeah > >Scott >84 Honda Nighthawk CB700SC > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Daniel H. Brown" >To: "DC Cycles" >Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:22 PM >Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT > > > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > OK PEOPLE > > > > > > I just got confirmation that parking is a GO. So get > > > your asses to Bike Night this Sunday, 6PM, CarPool. > > > > > > The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. > > > > > > > Not to start an AOL style cascade of "me 2's" but I'm planning on riding > > there. Black VFR, "DEV VFR" plates. Anyone else? > > > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 16:44:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87Ki7Si007956; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:44:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87Ki6Kn007946; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:44:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-CYCLES '" Subject: RE: Insurance (was Proper lock placement) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c256af$866dbf00$1b82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926C6@SERVER1> Witold said he has 1000 for collision and 500 for comprehensive. I have 250 for coll and 500 for comp. [Dave] If you can afford to take that much of a hit financially, and need to save on rates, then the high deductibles are ok. OTOH, if you're involved in an accident which costs $2500 to repair & you carry a 1k deductible.. that's a lot out of pocket. Back before they were becoming anti bike, I had $100 deductibles on both... Then I had to change, and SF has a 250 minimum on (at least one of the 2) coverages... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 16:53:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87Kr2Si008146; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:53:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87Kr1M9008136; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:53:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Re: Progressive and Track Day Wreck Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:50:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230432B48B@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Progressive and Track Day Wreck Thread-Index: AcJWsIddCB48Ec5wQOeUhmpoUU05xw== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g87Kr0Si008122 Since you were taking a riding class on a private closed course, I don't see why not. Check the NESBA message board George >>> Rob Curtis 09/07/02 11:52AM >>> Any Progressive customers ever made a claim for a track day wreck? Rob C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 17:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87L5lSi008346; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:05:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87L5lrA008336; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:05:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Insurance (was Proper lock placement) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:05:40 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409143@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Insurance (was Proper lock placement) Thread-Index: AcJWr2TIympMoLgKTWqGUwYrTxsOhwAAVwgw From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DC-CYCLES " Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g87L5jSi008319 I plan to shop around for better rates after 2-3 months. I don't remember if lower deductibles were considerably more expensive, but my reasoning behind my choices is that if the bike gets stolen, I'll be out only $500. If I crash it, I may be out $1000, but I'll have more important things on my mind. On a sidenote, today was my first longer ride. I took the bike from Vienna to Capitol Hill. I took Lee Highway->Gtown->down PA ave... It took me forever because there's stuff going on near the White House, I didn't want to lane split, and I can't just go through the blocked off areas like I do on my bicycle. Overall, it was a smooth ride. My parking lot hours really went a long way in building some confidence and improving my smoothness. As for other cars, yes, a lot of them didn't seem to see me, but a lot more of them see me on my motorcycle than on my bike. (I take the same route on my bicycle quite often) Now I need to find a nice big EMPTY parking lot so I can practice smooth turns/leans, braking from higher speeds, swerving. (All of the harder MSF excercises.) Maybe I'll even make it to bike nite. I'll be the really really slow blue R6 that pressed the horn button instead of the turn signal when pulling into the parking lot... hehehe... Witold www.witold.org -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 4:45 PM To: 'DC-CYCLES ' Subject: RE: Insurance (was Proper lock placement) Witold said he has 1000 for collision and 500 for comprehensive. I have 250 for coll and 500 for comp. [Dave] If you can afford to take that much of a hit financially, and need to save on rates, then the high deductibles are ok. OTOH, if you're involved in an accident which costs $2500 to repair & you carry a 1k deductible.. that's a lot out of pocket. Back before they were becoming anti bike, I had $100 deductibles on both... Then I had to change, and SF has a 250 minimum on (at least one of the 2) coverages... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 19:36:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g87NakSi009396; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:36:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g87Najoc009386; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:36:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020907193416.009fda00@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:36:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: guitars and motorcycles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed While we're on the subjecy of guitars and motorcycles..... (This is on-topic, I swear!) I took a sales position with Guitar Center in Fairfax recently, after being laid off from Worldcom. Sometime in the next week, we'll be getting an Indian Chief (the 2002 model) as a display for a contest we're promoting. (You can actually win a 2002 Indian Chief, as well as lots of Gibson stuff.) I'm actually in the Pro Audio dept., (PA's, studio recording, etc.), but stop by and check it out, and say hi while you're at it. (Here's my guitar collection for any of you stringophiles out there.) http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/guitar.html Ride safe! Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 20:03:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8803aSi009762; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:03:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8803ZRk009752; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:03:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'Sean Jordan'" , Subject: Did someone say Guitars ??? Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:06:27 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01c256cb$94c95ed0$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020907193416.009fda00@mail.mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Okay, here's my collection. http://www.gwfweb.com/guitars Do we get a DC-Cycles discount :-) Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 23:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g883OtSi010916; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:24:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g883Orvl010906; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:24:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:25:47 -0400 From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: onboard music Message-ID: <6465C27D.3A89FA5A.222F748D@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit bill states: > Screw all those ee-lek-tron-ick dee-vices! I sing to > meself, vintage rock & > rock. Get some cool reverbs inside a full face! > > Not to mention me singing definately keeps me awake... im with bill on this one! no fancyschmancy gadgets for me either. (mainly cuz i cant afford them!) if you're ever following behind me and you wonder why it looks like i have a 'bobble-head' --- its cuz im singing and really getting into it! no reverb of the fullface helmet; however, on a chilly morning, it can fog up the face shield!! jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 7 23:37:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g883bfSi011122; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:37:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g883bfLK011112; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:37:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7AC750.B1D5BB20@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:43:12 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: onboard music References: <6465C27D.3A89FA5A.222F748D@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > bill states: > > Screw all those ee-lek-tron-ick dee-vices! I sing to > > meself, vintage rock & > > rock. Get some cool reverbs inside a full face! > > > > Not to mention me singing definately keeps me awake... > > im with bill on this one! no fancyschmancy gadgets for me either. (mainly cuz i cant afford them!) if you're ever following behind me and you wonder why it looks like i have a 'bobble-head' --- its cuz im singing and really getting into it! no reverb of the fullface helmet; however, on a chilly morning, it can fog up the face shield!! > > jtb Trick - crack the visor open a scooch. Keeps it from fogging. Sometimes I get more than a bobble-head, hey, gotta dance! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 00:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8840rSi011364; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:00:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8840qAu011354; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:00:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020908040049.32702.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Drive your cage and Surf the net all at the same time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020906181949.01dd5b88@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > *really* well and is CHEAP, check out the Koss "The Plug". It's like > ear > plugs that forms to your ear canal > and has the added benefit of cutting out wind noise but you can still > hear > cars, sirens etc. I believe I have a set of these. BO and they're yours. I went with over-the-ear types. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 00:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g884JoSi011717; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:19:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g884JodW011707; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:19:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:28:11 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda Subject: old leathers To: DC-Cycles Reply-to: shonda@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D7AD1DB.55AE60D7@attglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja I was doing some house cleaning and found some old leathers... it doesn't fit me anymore. If any one is interested I can bring it on the bike night. (yes these are free $0.00) 1) One Leather Jacket, size is kind of between Small to Medium... may be 38-40? 2) One Leather pants, size is some what close to 32x30 or 30x30... -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 08:36:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88CaOSi026643; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:36:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88CaLlZ026636; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:36:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7B443E.9070302@atlantech.net> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 08:36:14 -0400 From: Jim Shoemaker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Progressive and Track Day Wreck References: <000001c25686$8b210a80$6401a8c0@cypher> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep. I just fininshed up a claim with them for my little incident at Pridmore's CLASS school in July. They called the school and confirmed that it wasn't a race. They listed the type of loss as "collision--failure to maintain control," which I wasn't too happy about. I didn't hit anybody or anything but the ground. I should have just told them I dropped my bike...at 35 mph. (I lowsided in T14 at VIR when I touched a foot peg down too hard and levered the back tire off the ground.) --Jim Rob Curtis wrote: >Any Progressive customers ever made a claim for a track day wreck? > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 09:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88DpfSi027102; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:51:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88Dpc6G027087; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:51:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9b.2d1fcf43.2aacafde@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:51:26 EDT Subject: Re: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/7/2002 5:28:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > the link below is a summery. Maybe > that statement is true and left out of that summery? Do you seriously propose that what at over thirty three percent would be the single largest cause of motorcycle accidents was left out of the official summary? The fact is that Hurt makes either no mention of wheelies or they are so insignificant a cause of motorcycle accidents there was no need to mention them in any summary. Do you propose that MSF an organization that bases its training in large part on the Hurt report somehow missed this? There is no mention of wheelies in their curriculum. It would be nice to think that one could reduce ones chances of being in a motorcycle accident by 33% by simply keeping ones front wheel on the ground, but it just aint so. If you are going to quote a source you need to at least read the source you are quoting, saying the Hurt report says is not the same as saying so and so says the Hurt report says. Good lord use your own experience! You know damn good and well that even among the hotshots you no doubt hang around with wheelies do not cause one out of every three crashes. When you factor in all the bikes out there that could not wheelie with a rocket tied to the front forks the idea becomes ridiculous. The Hurt report with its recommendations totals as I recall 800 pages of thrilling page turning statistics and accident analysis, I doubt anyone here has, or will, ever read it cover to cover, but those who have clearly found no statistically valid danger associated with wheelies. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 10:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88E8ASi027302; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:08:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88E8AvK027297; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:08:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7B5B14.D802B3CB@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:13:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT References: <20020906171000.896.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hot dang! I have negotiated a release with The Boss and will be able to make Bike Night. Probably around 7ish. Black Harley bagger with an OBX sticker on the rear fender. Dusty and rusty. Yep, rode hard and put away wet :-) Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > OK PEOPLE > > I just got confirmation that parking is a GO. So get > your asses to Bike Night this Sunday, 6PM, CarPool. > > The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. > > Mark > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 10:34:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88EYGSi027627; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:34:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88EYGgv027617; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:34:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7B6131.ECD786D1@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:39:45 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: References: <9b.2d1fcf43.2aacafde@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Good lord use your own experience! You know damn good and well that even > among the hotshots you no doubt hang around with wheelies do not cause one > out of every three crashes. When you factor in all the bikes out there that > could not wheelie with a rocket tied to the front forks the idea becomes > ridiculous. That would be me! A wheelie on a Harley bagger? I don't think so, not enough power and way too much tonnage. I did see a picture of an FLH Harley in a full wheelie. Riding pillion to move the CG waaay back was an *wide-load* woman who could only be wieghed accurately on truck scales. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 11:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88FAXSi027914; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:10:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88FAWhl027904; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:10:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7B6780.9030203@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:06:40 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rm.curtis@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Progressive and Track Day Wreck References: <000001c25686$8b210a80$6401a8c0@cypher> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob, Track riding = no insurance coverage with (virtually) all insurance companies that insure your m/c for street use. If you make a claim (and track riding is specifically excluded; check your insurance coverage), then it's technically fraud. Chuck Rob Curtis wrote: > Any Progressive customers ever made a claim for a track day wreck? > > Rob C. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 13:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88HAXSi028600; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:10:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88HAWrp028592; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:10:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves ;-) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:10:18 -0400 Message-ID: <9r0nnuk490i1nl9ub00t6ik53mi18gujis@4ax.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020907103832.039e1740@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020907103832.039e1740@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g88HAVSi028575 On the flip side of the argument it's like the lottery... it's a tax on people who should know better.. tax and punishment on people who drive too fast through intersections and run red lights. That sounds pretty good vs gov'ts raising taxes on everyone. Now if they are shortening the yellow light time, then that's rotten. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 13:21:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88HLUSi028810; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:21:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88HLUu8028802; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:21:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: "DC-CYCLES " Subject: Re: Insurance (was Proper lock placement) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409143@rnc1.rnchq.org> In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409143@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g88HLTSi028790 Oh I was thinking you had collision only, from the way I read that post. I tell new riders they should work on swerving over 2 lanes. Sometimes A car will stop, and he car behind it will swerve over one lane and stop...and your'e following that car, so what is it you probably need to do? swerve over 2 lanes. Remember bikes swerve and lean faster by steering than by leaning. Push left go left, push right, go right. by the way I meant to say, if your car has an alarm, try chaining the bike to that or using a second lock to go from the wheel to the undercarriage of the car, maybe if a theif tries to steal it, the theives might set off the car alarm, saving your bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 14:24:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88IOMSi029289; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:24:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88IOL90029279; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:24:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves ;-) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c25765$01f2d4c0$2582c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <9r0nnuk490i1nl9ub00t6ik53mi18gujis@4ax.com> Importance: Normal RE cameras for traffic enforcement: On the flip side of the argument it's like the lottery... it's a tax on people who should know better.. [Dave] Simply throwing up a camera to snap pictures of red light runners is no guarantee that the light is correctly timed and has a sufficient interval to begin with. If the light is only allowing 5 cars to get through / green light on the primary road, it *SHOULD* be run. Ok, that's extreme, but the problem with the premise of 'they should know better' is that a pretty high percentage of lights are put up around this region with no standing to do so other than 'quality of life' issues. Huntington Avenue near the metro is a good example. The speed limit is 30, with a 'special enforcement zone'. This is because pedestrians cross wherever they damn well please, regardless of safety, sometimes daring cages to stop. sometimes, to the detriment of the pedestrian. And the local 'neighborhood associations' give you the impression it's the Indy 500 front straight, when in reality traffic is largely going 40 - 48 ... I travel that road much less frequently now due to volume of traffic during rush hour. My work commute is fraught with mistimed, short interval lights & lights which force extended idling. Just like toll booths, they make people queue up needlessly idling, waiting for little or no reason. After about 5 or 6 of these, you've lost 10 - 18 minutes... The alleged 'short yellow' phenomenon *DOES* exist, Duke street is a good example, with sometimes sub 3 second yellows, not supporting the speed limits (35 mostly). When there's WW bridge trouble in the PM, traffic will backup on Duke for just over a mile to get to Telegraph & the Beltway. At Least Alexandria puts cops at the Duke to Telegraph exit to send the 'me first' drivers on their not so merry way when they try the last second cut in line trick ;-) I wish Alexandria would put cops at Duke & Quaker Lane to prevent people from entering, without clearing the intersection... People know they shouldn't run red lights. They also know they shouldn't speed but they do both anyway. There are several reasons for this. 1: Monkey see, Monkey do. - Who here *HASN'T* seen a cop come to a red, hit the bubble gums, clear the intersection, turn them off ? 2: Ridiculous waits - waiting for minutes on end while there's nobody else around. 3 'Feel good' lights, put up for no legitimate traffic need, only for 'traffic calming' (more appropriately called, motorist enraging). 4 - Most importantly, If it's not only about the money, then WHY are there no penalties other than monetary ? If it's TRULY about safety, then remove the money from the equation, and upon conviction, make the penalty 1 day in jail or 1 day of community service, or more. IF after all, it's really only about safety, as our esteemed region's politicos assert, then they would be pushing for serious criminal penalties for these SERIOUS offenses. They don't, because that would take away their incentive. tax and punishment on people who drive too fast through intersections and run red lights. That sounds pretty good vs. gov'ts raising taxes on everyone. [Dave] How about instead, a referendum on a 50% across the board pay and benefit cut for all elected officials, no more free travel on the taxpayer's back, and eliminating redundant, duplicated & useless government agencies first ... Just like former Gubner Wilder suggested Virginia do a few weeks ago (not the pay cut) . If it's really about safety, then put some jail time with the 'serious crime'. Stop trying to soak out of staters & tourists, as well as residents with covering up the financial mismanagement of the government, it's dishonorable. Dave Now if they are shortening the yellow light time, then that's rotten. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 14:49:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88InUSi029607; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:49:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88InTnJ029599; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:49:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:48:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9b.2d1fcf43.2aacafde@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9b.2d1fcf43.2aacafde@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g88InSSi029587 I think i figured out this misquote. I remember someone stating 30% of all motorcycle accidents were wheelies , and thought i read it too to back it up, years ago on usenet. (maybe it was sportibkes? which could be true?) OR maybe someone saw that 30% of motorcycle accidents involved no other vehicle therefore that someone thought that meant wheelies, and of course wrong. I coulda swore I read it, but obviously I'm wrong. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 19:30:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g88NUBSi031328; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:30:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g88NUAYC031318; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:30:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020908232957.32703.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: VTR For Sale (new low price!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've decided to lower the price of the VTR to $4995 (yeah it's another one of those dirty Madison Avenue pricing tricks). I have also put together a quick and dirty web page with photos of the bike and a list of modifications: http://www.dccycles.com/vtrforsale.htm Please feel free to forward this URL to anyone you know you may be interested. As Bartles and James would say, thank you for your support. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 21:44:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g891iqSi032164; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:44:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g891inHq032149; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:44:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020908214100.00a67810@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 21:43:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT In-Reply-To: <20020906171000.896.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Mark, Chuck -- outstanding job! Bike night was great. Really amazing turn out. Nice to meet people and put faces to the email addresses. I think we surprised the CarPool people though. I believe I heard someone say there were only 2 wait staff working. Great to see all the bikes though! -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 21:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g891ttSi032375; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:55:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g891ttSf032368; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:55:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 21:51:28 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Message-ID: <1DE5467E.65E3A190.1056E6D9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Agreed. I had a great time looking at all the bikes and putting some more names to faces. Can't wait til the next one. April? Chck? Mark? ;-) Met Jenn the Biker and yes, she is a she. ;-) And her purple bike is "cute" too. LOL I was also happy to see that Witold (pronounced Vito) managed to attend. Showed up in all the appropriate gear, no scuffs on the bike and a real nice person to talk to. Witold, like I said, if you want to get together for a relaxed, one-on-one ride, or just to hang out, let me know. I think you're right. I don't think the staff at Carpool was expecting such a big turnout. :-) Scooter In a message dated Sun, 8 Sep 2002 8:43:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > Mark, Chuck -- outstanding job! Bike night was great. > > Really amazing turn out. Nice to meet people and put faces to the > email addresses. I think we surprised the CarPool people though. I > believe I heard someone say there were only 2 wait staff > working. > > Great to see all the bikes though! > -- > Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 21:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g891xnSi032456; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:59:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g891xnLK032448; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:59:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7BFF08.3090806@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020908214100.00a67810@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A very big THANK YOU to everyone who came to Bike Night at CarPool. We counted 90+ bikes tonight! That's a record. I suppose with some arm twisting, Mark and I might be talked into doing at least one more Bike Night. But not until next year. And this last one will be hard to top. I'd rather "retire" on a high note. %^) If you have digital pics of tonight's Bike Night, please get them to me so I can post them on the website. Thanx! Chuck Dan Brown wrote: > > Mark, Chuck -- outstanding job! Bike night was great. > > Really amazing turn out. Nice to meet people and put faces to the > email addresses. I think we surprised the CarPool people though. I > believe I heard someone say there were only 2 wait staff working. > > Great to see all the bikes though! > > > > -- > Resist or Serve > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 8 22:01:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8921iSi032623; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:01:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8921iPV032615; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:01:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:01:29 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: scooterfzr@XXXXXX, brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Message-ID: <4AF9C170.209FD9D1.1056E6D9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That should have been "Can't wait til the next one IN April?" ;-) Scooter In a message dated Sun, 8 Sep 2002 8:51:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, scooterfzr writes: > > > Agreed. I had a great time looking at all the bikes and putting some more names to faces. Can't wait til the next one. April? Chck? Mark? ;-) Met Jenn the Biker and yes, she is a she. ;-) And her purple bike is "cute" too. LOL I was also happy to see that Witold (pronounced Vito) managed to attend. Showed up in all the appropriate gear, no scuffs on the bike and a real nice person to talk to. Witold, like I said, if you want to get together for a relaxed, one-on-one ride, or just to hang out, let me know. > > I think you're right. I don't think the staff at Carpool was expecting such a big turnout. :-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated Sun, 8 Sep 2002 8:43:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > > > Mark, Chuck -- outstanding job! Bike night was great. > > > > Really amazing turn out. Nice to meet people and put faces to the > > email addresses. I think we surprised the CarPool people > though. I > > believe I heard someone say there were only 2 wait staff > > working. > > > > Great to see all the bikes though! > > -- > > Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 06:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89A7OSi002990; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:07:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89A7NWR002980; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:07:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Subject: Re: onboard music Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:04:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <6465C27D.3A89FA5A.222F748D@aol.com> <3D7AC750.B1D5BB20@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D7AC750.B1D5BB20@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02090906045833.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 07 September 2002 23:43, William J. Huson wrote: > Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > bill states: > > > Screw all those ee-lek-tron-ick dee-vices! I sing to > > > meself, vintage rock & > > > rock. Get some cool reverbs inside a full face! > > > > > > Not to mention me singing definately keeps me awake... > > > > im with bill on this one! no fancyschmancy gadgets for me either. > > (mainly cuz i cant afford them!) if you're ever following behind me and > > you wonder why it looks like i have a 'bobble-head' --- its cuz im > > singing and really getting into it! no reverb of the fullface helmet; > > however, on a chilly morning, it can fog up the face shield!! > > > > jtb > > Trick - crack the visor open a scooch. Keeps it from fogging. Sometimes I > get more than a bobble-head, hey, gotta dance! > Last winter I used a couple of the binder clips (small ones) to hold the visor out just a smidge. Enough to get air but not enough be cold. > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 06:24:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89AOASi003218; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:24:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89AOAjA003210; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:24:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:21:59 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020908214100.00a67810@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20020908214100.00a67810@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02090906215934.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 08 September 2002 21:43, Dan Brown wrote: > Mark, Chuck -- outstanding job! Bike night was great. > > Really amazing turn out. Nice to meet people and put faces to the > email addresses. I second that. I didn't meet everyone but I did get to match some faces with addresses. > I think we surprised the CarPool people though. I > believe I heard someone say there were only 2 wait staff working. > I heard the waitress say it. I never saw anyone other than the waitress and the folks delivering the food. > Great to see all the bikes though! > There was a metric buttload of bikes out there (only a few standards though :-) Sorry I didn't get to say goodbye to everyone. Since I was behind another bike, I figured on walking around searching and saying goodbye but Keith was leaving and nice enough to move his bike for me. Thanks. > > The ride home was cool though. Glad I had my chaps. A couple of minor incidents though. 1. Coming down Glebe road in the right lane, I was approaching the road where Glebe turned into two lanes and I was in the wrong one. As I moved up, I expected to have to make a loop to get in the correct lane but the light turned green just as I got there so I squided into the front waving my apologies. (Jennthebiker; maybe that's another squid reference source.) 2. When traffic slowed at Lorton because of road construction, I took Lorton road to Rt 123. Lovely ride. Cool and no other cars up to the light at 123. Apparently that's a low magnetic or weight light. I saw no lines in the asphalt and the light wouldn't change for me. After about 2 minutes, an SUV came up behind me but stayed three car lengths back. I waved him/her forward but no movement. I waited until there was no traffic coming from either direction and walked the light (moved forward with my feet down). As the SUV moved forward and began to run the light, it changed and the other 10 cars behind the SUV got a green light. > -- > Resist or Serve Submit or die! -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 07:28:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89BSCSi003637; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:28:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89BS9aT003622; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:28:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7C86FE.F8296587@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 07:33:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020908214100.00a67810@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > Mark, Chuck -- outstanding job! Bike night was great. ditto ditto! Good job, Mark & Chuck. Lots of bikes and folks and a lotta smiles. Ran into a couple former MSF students, good to see that they're out and riding in the real world. And I must concede that Jennthebiker is definately female. I'm not sure if I'd call her bike "cute", but it sure was clean, unlike my dusty beast. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 11:03:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89F3pSi005045; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:03:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89F3n6n005038; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:03:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020909150347.10048.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020906171000.896.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > OK PEOPLE > > I just got confirmation that parking is a GO. So get > your asses to Bike Night this Sunday, 6PM, CarPool. > > The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. shit.... sorry i missed this. i'm getting warm, fuzzy feelings thinking of that scene from "the cable guy" as i type.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 11:07:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89F7hSi005210; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:07:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89F7hn5005204; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:07:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005201c25812$99754410$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Chris Weaver" , References: <20020908232957.32703.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VTR For Sale (new low price!) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:44:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Damn, wish I had the money, would love to move up to something like that. Scott 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:29 PM Subject: VTR For Sale (new low price!) > I've decided to lower the price of the VTR to $4995 > (yeah it's another one of those dirty Madison Avenue > pricing tricks). I have also put together a quick and > dirty web page with photos of the bike and a list of > modifications: > > http://www.dccycles.com/vtrforsale.htm > > Please feel free to forward this URL to anyone you > know you may be interested. > > As Bartles and James would say, thank you for your > support. > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 11:07:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89F7kSi005245; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:07:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89F7jUG005241; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:07:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005301c25812$99d71320$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: , , "DC Cycles" , References: <1DE5467E.65E3A190.1056E6D9@aol.com> Subject: Re: Bike Night Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:52:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hello to all, sorry that I missed last night, but got stuck at the renaissance festival for too long. Will be out for Barnes and Noble night on Thursday if someone will tell me how to find the DC Cycles crew. Plan September 28 for the next Bike day at the Maryland Renaissance Festival. The Festival is located in Crownsville, MD just a bit away from Annapolis Mall. Should be a good time there with plenty of food, ale and shows. Also the Medieveal Baebes will be in town which promises things also. I am an actor there and can join the festivities for some time, have shows in others. If someone can get with me as to posting it on the web page would be appreciated. Scott 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 11:27:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89FRJSi005697; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:27:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89FRJr5005689; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:27:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Brad Faas" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:23:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Summit Point Message-ID: <3D7C84CE.17362.AA9199@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body A big congratulations is in order for Mr. Sean Jordan, who kicked my butt this weekend at Summit. And what a beautiful weekend it was.... Dammit Sean, next year when I'm back to full health...ah, whatever. Sean ran better than I ever have before, so I can't really blame his winning on my less-than-perfect physical condition. He would have beat me well anyway. I think Sean would've had a very good finish in Lightweight GP (maybe top 5??), but it turns out that bikes don't run well without fuel. :-) Anyone grab some photos? (Gary??) Brad From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 11:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89FVYSi005860; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:31:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89FVY4N005854; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:31:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020909153132.15243.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike Night To: "S. Russell" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <005301c25812$99d71320$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "S. Russell" wrote: > Hello to all, sorry that I missed last night, but got > stuck at the > renaissance festival for too long. Will be out for > Barnes and Noble night > on Thursday if someone will tell me how to find the DC > Cycles crew. > > Plan September 28 for the next Bike day at the Maryland > Renaissance > Festival. The Festival is located in Crownsville, MD > just a bit away from > Annapolis Mall. Should be a good time there with plenty > of food, ale and > shows. Also the Medieveal Baebes will be in town which > promises things > also. > > I am an actor there and can join the festivities for some > time, have shows > in others. and my "the cable guy" nightmare continues!!.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 12:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89G1gSi006141; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:01:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89G1gnl006133; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:01:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012e01c2581a$0a5b6130$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Brad Faas" , References: <3D7C84CE.17362.AA9199@localhost> Subject: Re: Summit Point Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:00:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I have over 400 photos to process, and not only did I get a great shot of Sean racing, I got another of him after he ran out of fuel :-) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Faas" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Summit Point > A big congratulations is in order for Mr. Sean Jordan, who kicked > my butt this weekend at Summit. And what a beautiful weekend it > was.... > > Dammit Sean, next year when I'm back to full health...ah, > whatever. Sean ran better than I ever have before, so I can't really > blame his winning on my less-than-perfect physical condition. He > would have beat me well anyway. > > I think Sean would've had a very good finish in Lightweight GP > (maybe top 5??), but it turns out that bikes don't run well without > fuel. :-) > > Anyone grab some photos? (Gary??) > > Brad > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 12:08:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89G8DSi006326; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:08:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89G8Cgi006311; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:08:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <023401c2581b$5c9f24d0$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Super Superhawk for sale Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:10:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I am selling my Honda 996 VTR Superhawk. Modifications, upgrades, info. listed below: -1998 model -5900 miles -Traxxion Dynamics completely reworked front forks: upgraded springs, new Traxxion Dynamics "Action" valve. Finger adjustable pre-load "knobs". -New Penske 8900 series "Sport" shock, from Traxxion Dynamics. No external resevior, but it can be added later, otherwise completely adjustable. -New set (~500 miles) BT56SS tires -Sargant's "World" Seat with color matched passenger seat. -Two Brother's Carbon Fiber full exhaust system, stage 1 jet kitted to match. -Heli-bars -Two Brother's lower cowl. -Oil changed at 300 miles, 600 miles, 1200 miles, 3000 miles and 5000 miles. -Case of oil filters included (minus 1 or 2 that I recently put on) Needs to have the brake and clutch fluid replaced; I am willing to do this if it will help the sale. The bike has been ridden, but taken care of. It has never been down. Asking $5600 Danny Thompson Liberty High School Technology Education From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 12:34:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89GYFSi006604; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:34:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89GYEQh006598; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:34:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <015f01c2581f$8ee1fa40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <200209062300.g86N01ZT029638@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Trucks, bikes, cages Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:40:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 How is a trucker supposed to maintain adequate spacing on the highway when cages (and bikes) won't give adequate room when changing lanes. Yes, there are knucklehead truck drivers, but also plenty knucklehead cagers and bikers who cut in too close when overtaking trucks on the highway. Cages and bikes cutting in front of trucks are their own worst enemy. Here I'm speaking of mixing with long-haul truckers on the highway. There's no excuse for the idiot who ran over those teenagers. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > > [Dave] And the thing with the barrelling big trucks is that they could strike a cage several cages behind you & still cause you trouble. The latest AAA hack job said that most truck accidents are caused by cagers. Horseshit. ALL tractor trailers, dumps, and similar large vehicles follow too close for conditions. 2 cage lengths won't do it. The cops need to start enforcing something ridiculous like a 10 cage lenth minimum interval between any large truck and any OTHER type of vehicle. > > Dave > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 12:42:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89GghSi006794; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:42:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89GggTv006786; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:42:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020909122926.009fe150@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:42:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Bike Night & Summit Point In-Reply-To: <3D7C84CE.17362.AA9199@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey Brad, don't forget that it took me two years to beat you back! Waking up Sunday morning, my wildest hope was that I would break a 1:30 (mid-pack pace in Novice lightweight classes at Summit). By the end of the day, I ended up running a 1:27.9 in the LW GP race! I wasn't even pushing myself, and could have gone faster, had I not run out of gas..... (I had two back-to-back races, on a borrowed bike. Wasn't sure how much fuel to put in....live and learn!) Special thanks to Steve Cark for letting me use his perfectly prepared SV650 and for lettming me crash in his palatial RV; I wouldn't have had such a great day without his help! Sorry I missed the Bike Night, but I was so worn out when I got home last night, I didn't have the energy left to ride out to Carpool. Kind of bummed, Chuck and Mark always always put together a great event, and it's nice to catch up with the old listers and meet the new ones. I hope to make the next one, though! Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 12:45:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89Gj3Si006837; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:45:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89Gj3dr006828; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:45:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C32B@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles list Subject: RE: Trucks, bikes, cages Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:42:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's why I like two different speed limits - one for trucks, and one for everything else - cars, bikes, etc. Ohio has this.. 55 MPH for trucks and either 65/70 MPH for cars.... It kept most of the trucks in the right lane, they were going about 65, but most cars were doing about 70-75, fast enough that everyone could get by em without any problem. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:40 PM To: dc-cycles list Subject: Trucks, bikes, cages How is a trucker supposed to maintain adequate spacing on the highway when cages (and bikes) won't give adequate room when changing lanes. Yes, there are knucklehead truck drivers, but also plenty knucklehead cagers and bikers who cut in too close when overtaking trucks on the highway. Cages and bikes cutting in front of trucks are their own worst enemy. Here I'm speaking of mixing with long-haul truckers on the highway. There's no excuse for the idiot who ran over those teenagers. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > > [Dave] And the thing with the barrelling big trucks is that they could strike a cage several cages behind you & still cause you trouble. The latest AAA hack job said that most truck accidents are caused by cagers. Horseshit. ALL tractor trailers, dumps, and similar large vehicles follow too close for conditions. 2 cage lengths won't do it. The cops need to start enforcing something ridiculous like a 10 cage lenth minimum interval between any large truck and any OTHER type of vehicle. > > Dave > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 12:51:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89GpnSi007111; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:51:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89Gpn3G007101; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:51:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017701c25821$09e20e50$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Brad Faas" , References: <3D7C84CE.17362.AA9199@localhost> Subject: Re: Summit Point Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:50:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean1.jpg http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean2.jpg And be sure to get your official Sean Jordon paraphernalia! http://www.cafeshops.com/sjordon :-) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Faas" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Summit Point > A big congratulations is in order for Mr. Sean Jordan, who kicked > my butt this weekend at Summit. And what a beautiful weekend it > was.... > > Dammit Sean, next year when I'm back to full health...ah, > whatever. Sean ran better than I ever have before, so I can't really > blame his winning on my less-than-perfect physical condition. He > would have beat me well anyway. > > I think Sean would've had a very good finish in Lightweight GP > (maybe top 5??), but it turns out that bikes don't run well without > fuel. :-) > > Anyone grab some photos? (Gary??) > > Brad > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 12:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89GvESi007169; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:57:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89GvDEb007161; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:57:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01fe01c25822$c31bb320$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Jason Picton" , "dc-cycles list" References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C32B@wash58.acs.org> Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:02:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This probably works on a flat highway, but when it gets to be rolling terrain the trucks are doing 45 up the hills and 75 down, like I-81, ugh. I guess my point is to see the road from the other road user's perspective. Too few cagers (and riders) do this. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Picton" To: "dc-cycles list" Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: RE: Trucks, bikes, cages > That's why I like two different speed limits - one for trucks, and one for > everything else - cars, bikes, etc. Ohio has this.. 55 MPH for trucks and > either 65/70 MPH for cars.... It kept most of the trucks in the right lane, > they were going about 65, but most cars were doing about 70-75, fast enough > that everyone could get by em without any problem. > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:40 PM > To: dc-cycles list > Subject: Trucks, bikes, cages > > > How is a trucker supposed to maintain adequate spacing on the highway when > cages (and bikes) won't give adequate room when changing lanes. Yes, there > are knucklehead truck drivers, but also plenty knucklehead cagers > and bikers who cut in too close when overtaking trucks on the highway. > Cages and bikes cutting in front of trucks are their own worst enemy. Here > I'm speaking of mixing with long-haul truckers on the highway. There's no > excuse for the idiot who ran over those teenagers. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > > > > [Dave] And the thing with the barrelling big trucks is that they could > strike a cage several cages behind you & still cause you trouble. The > latest AAA hack job said that most truck accidents are caused by cagers. > Horseshit. ALL tractor trailers, dumps, and similar large vehicles follow > too close for conditions. 2 cage lengths won't do it. The cops need to > start enforcing something ridiculous like a 10 cage lenth minimum interval > between any large truck and any OTHER type of vehicle. > > > > Dave > > > > Dave > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 12:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89GxnSi007316; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:59:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89Gxnr4007308; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:59:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:59:44 -0700 From: To: Danny Thompson Cc: "D.C. Cycles" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Super Superhawk for sale Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Ooooh ... Superhawk VTR wars between Chris and Danny. There'e gotta be a bargain in there somewhere. Let the carnage begin! %^) On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:10:06 -0400 Danny Thompson wrote: I am selling my Honda 996 VTR Superhawk. Modifications, upgrades, info. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 13:01:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89H19Si007370; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:01:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89H19aB007364; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:01:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 9 Sep 2002 17:01:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20020909170107.6345.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Paul asks: >How is a trucker supposed to maintain adequate spacing on the highway when >cages (and bikes) won't give adequate room when changing lanes. [Dave] uh... the same way we do it? yeah, they need more distance to stop, but c'mon, every trip I take on the beltway I either see a TT tailgating ( I mean crawling up some cages trunk ), or I'm a victim of it - and I am *NOT* by any stretch of the imagination a slow driver. We all get impatient around here, but maintaining control of the vehicle is the operator's responsibility, in cages, trucks & on bikes. If a truck rear ends someone, whether they were cut off or not, you have to investigate and find out if they were following too closely, as is often the case. >Yes, there >are knucklehead truck drivers, but also plenty knucklehead cagers >and bikers who cut in too close when overtaking trucks on the highway. [Dave] Oh yeah. no argument there. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 13:08:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89H8OSi007758; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:08:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89H8Ks7007748; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:08:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:57:22 -0700 From: To: Tom Gimer Cc: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 TG, Sorry you missed it too. No main event at last night's Bike Night. Lots of people showed up just to see/hear the two of us go at it. Once they found out there was no deathmatch, there were cries of "Refund!" and people leaving in droves. CP On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > OK PEOPLE > > I just got confirmation that parking is a GO. So get > your asses to Bike Night this Sunday, 6PM, CarPool. > > The main event is a Chuck vs. Gimer deathmatch. shit.... sorry i missed this. i'm getting warm, fuzzy feelings thinking of that scene from "the cable guy" as i type.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 13:22:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89HMjSi008068; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:22:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89HMiWV008060; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:22:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:22:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200209062300.g86N01ZT029638@dirty.meretrix.com> <015f01c2581f$8ee1fa40$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <015f01c2581f$8ee1fa40$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g89HMhSi008048 If you have enough following distance from the vehicle in front of you, they usually pass way infront of such vehicle... ti's only when space is limited is when people "cut" in front... if a vehicle does cut, simple... maintain or reduce speed to allow the space cushion to get wider. Space cushion is a good thing, the more the better, and the whole "we can't have too much space cushion because someone will cut in front of us" thinking is very flawed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 13:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89HNRSi008108; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:23:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89HNRov008104; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:23:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: <88mpnucasms18dc0vibo2li9aegnqqaej5@4ax.com> References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C32B@wash58.acs.org> In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C32B@wash58.acs.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g89HNQSi008087 I would like for the fast lane to have a higher speed limit or for passing only. On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:42:44 -0400 , Jason Picton wrote: >That's why I like two different speed limits - one for trucks, and one for >everything else - cars, bikes, etc. Ohio has this.. 55 MPH for trucks and >either 65/70 MPH for cars.... It kept most of the trucks in the right lane, >they were going about 65, but most cars were doing about 70-75, fast enough >that everyone could get by em without any problem. > >Jason > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:40 PM >To: dc-cycles list >Subject: Trucks, bikes, cages > > >How is a trucker supposed to maintain adequate spacing on the highway when >cages (and bikes) won't give adequate room when changing lanes. Yes, there >are knucklehead truck drivers, but also plenty knucklehead cagers >and bikers who cut in too close when overtaking trucks on the highway. >Cages and bikes cutting in front of trucks are their own worst enemy. Here >I'm speaking of mixing with long-haul truckers on the highway. There's no >excuse for the idiot who ran over those teenagers. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 >> >> [Dave] And the thing with the barrelling big trucks is that they could >strike a cage several cages behind you & still cause you trouble. The >latest AAA hack job said that most truck accidents are caused by cagers. >Horseshit. ALL tractor trailers, dumps, and similar large vehicles follow >too close for conditions. 2 cage lengths won't do it. The cops need to >start enforcing something ridiculous like a 10 cage lenth minimum interval >between any large truck and any OTHER type of vehicle. >> >> Dave >> >> Dave >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 13:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89HQrSi008265; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:26:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89HQrWh008256; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:26:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night BIKE NIGHT BIke NIGHT Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:24:41 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209091324413L.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 09 September 2002 12:57, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > TG, > > Sorry you missed it too. No main event at last night's Bike Night. Lots > of people showed up just to see/hear the two of us go at it. Once they > found out there was no deathmatch, there were cries of "Refund!" and people > leaving in droves. > Is that what they were? I was told they were Suzuki's but I've never heard of a Suzuki "Drove". Or is that "Drone" :-) > CP > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 13:45:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89HjASi008630; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:45:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89HjAmn008622; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:45:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020909174508.29765.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:45:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages To: Motor PsychoL Danny , Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone ever thought about this since the topic of space cushion's/following distances has come up; Since motorcycles can stop in a much shorter distance than any car or truck, do you think that there should be a law implemented for cars/truck to put a very large following distance to a bike? The only reason I ask is that if you're on 495 going 65/70 mph (or the posted 55) and there is a car that's one car lenght behind you and you hit the brakes in a panic stop, what are the chances of that car not hitting you? I'm just curious, I never really thought about this until I started reading all of these posts. rgds, Nick --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > If you have enough following distance from the > vehicle in front of > you, they usually pass way infront of such > vehicle... ti's only > when space is limited is when people "cut" in > front... > > if a vehicle does cut, simple... maintain or > reduce speed to allow > the space cushion to get wider. > > Space cushion is a good thing, the more the better, > and the whole "we > can't have too much space cushion because someone > will cut in front of > us" thinking is very flawed. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 13:53:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89Hr5Si008817; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:53:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89Hr5RB008807; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:53:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020909135108.0238ead0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:53:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages In-Reply-To: <20020909174508.29765.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:45 PM 9/9/2002, Nicholas Thompson wrote: >Has anyone ever thought about this since the topic of >space cushion's/following distances has come up; >Since motorcycles can stop in a much shorter distance >than any car or truck I'll defer to Gimer, but it really isn't time for the car vs. bike stopping distance thread. I suggest that instead - you should head over to http://www.fark.com/ and peruse some of the many fine Photoshop examples of good time wasters. AZ Moto came through for me and expressed my from D220. They kick ass. Should be sitting on my porch when I get home. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 14:00:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89I0uSi008999; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:00:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89I0uHg008991; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:00:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020909140004.023be3c8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:00:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020909135108.0238ead0@mail.troutman.org> References: <20020909174508.29765.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:53 PM 9/9/2002, Troutman wrote: >expressed my from D220 express shipped my front D220 Damn spell checker ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 14:04:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89I4TSi009062; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:04:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89I4TWr009057; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:04:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:01:26 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fj1100@XXXXXX, mcracer980@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Message-ID: <17D94E4D.46A2EEB3.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK. Now I have seen everything. Sean has his own racing crap for sale? Geesssshhhhhh....what's this world coming too? ;-) Scooter In a message dated Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:50:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean1.jpg > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean2.jpg > > And be sure to get your official Sean Jordon paraphernalia! > > http://www.cafeshops.com/sjordon > > :-) > > > Gary > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Faas" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:23 AM > Subject: Summit Point > > > > A big congratulations is in order for Mr. Sean Jordan, who kicked > > my butt this weekend at Summit. And what a beautiful weekend it > > was.... > > > > Dammit Sean, next year when I'm back to full health...ah, > > whatever. Sean ran better than I ever have before, so I can't really > > blame his winning on my less-than-perfect physical condition. He > > would have beat me well anyway. > > > > I think Sean would've had a very good finish in Lightweight GP > > (maybe top 5??), but it turns out that bikes don't run > well without > > fuel. :-) > > > > Anyone grab some photos? (Gary??) > > > > Brad > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 14:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89IIvSi009391; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:18:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89IIvv9009381; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:18:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7CE759.7C6481C6@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:24:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicholas Thompson CC: Motor PsychoL Danny , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages References: <20020909174508.29765.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Has anyone ever thought about this since the topic of > space cushion's/following distances has come up; > Since motorcycles can stop in a much shorter distance > than any car or truck, do you think that there should > be a law implemented for cars/truck to put a very > large following distance to a bike? The only reason I > ask is that if you're on 495 going 65/70 mph (or the > posted 55) and there is a car that's one car lenght > behind you and you hit the brakes in a panic stop, > what are the chances of that car not hitting you? I'm > just curious, I never really thought about this until > I started reading all of these posts. > Motorcycles can stop in less distance than *any* car or truck? Well, maybe a heavily laden TT rig, but do not delude yourself into thinking an M/C can stop faster than a car. It isn't true. Ideal stop distance is about the same, and all it takes in a car is a heavy foot to reach ideal. To get 99% effective stop on a bike takes training, practice, and skill. And that's on an *idel* rpoad surface. Make it wet and cars will stop way faster and upright. As for part two of your paragraph. One car lentgh isn't enough for any style vehicle. Vehicle in front jumps the brakes and tailgating vehicle will be sodomizing vehicle one before the driver even applys the brakes. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 14:23:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89INVSi009652; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:23:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89INVFN009644; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:23:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Shrines Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:23:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Didn't Ohio used to paint X's on the highway marking the spots were accidents occurred and people died? Do they still do that? gb "Adam Wah" From: Subject: Re: Cc: Out in Montana they have these little crosses where people have died put up by some group. It's very strange and at some places there are a half-dozen or so. Most of the time there are only one or two. Carl At 04:38 AM 9/7/02 -0400, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >hmm road side shrines as markers of "someone crashed on t his spot" >" you could too... be careful" is nto exactly a bad idea... say put >a blade from a picket fence everywhere someone crashes... and you >could see how serious some spots are. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 14:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89IWgSi009887; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:32:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89IWfC0009879; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:32:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <37.2d15c03b.2aae4343@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:32:35 EDT Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/9/2002 1:45:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sfdaytona@XXXXXX writes: > Since motorcycles can stop in a much shorter distance > than any car or truck, Once unquestionably true, unfortunately it is no longer quite so clear. When motorcycles had disk brakes and cars just had drums it was true. Now with cars having 4 wheel disks and very good antilock brakes it may not be true at all. One magazine (No I do not remember which or when) did a rather un-scientific test using one rider who rode (as I recall) several bikes including a sport bike and one with antilocks and an antilock equipped car. The car stopped faster in every case _including_ against an antilock bike. One thing is absolutely clear, granny old fart in her rolling luxury liner can by the simple expedient of stomping on the brakes, out stop any beginner and _may_ be able to out stop any of us. Damn scary. As in all other things, WATCH YOUR ASS! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 14:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89IZFSi009933; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:35:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89IZFRt009927; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:35:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7CEB21.C5E38ED@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:40:34 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'Carl Schelin'" , "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" , "'DC-Cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Shrines References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > Didn't Ohio used to paint X's on the highway marking the spots were > accidents occurred and people died? > Do they still do that? > > gb Yep, Ohio (Oh Hell It's Ohio) used X's because most of the citizens are illiterate. Bill (ducking) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 14:41:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89IfJSi010230; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:41:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89IfJVZ010221; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:41:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters Subject: Re: Shrines Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:39:08 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3D7CEB21.C5E38ED@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D7CEB21.C5E38ED@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209091438573S.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Monday 09 September 2002 14:40, William J. Huson wrote: > "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > > Didn't Ohio used to paint X's on the highway marking the spots were > > accidents occurred and people died? > > Do they still do that? > > > > gb > > Yep, Ohio (Oh Hell It's Ohio) used X's because most of the citizens are > illiterate. > I thought that was South Carolina where I saw a billboard using "their" incorrectly. Aren't they the lowest in the nation? > Bill (ducking) Carl (and running) -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 14:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89IhHSi010396; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:43:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89IhHeo010388; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:43:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01f001c25830$9c2ca040$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: , "Brad Faas" , References: <17D94E4D.46A2EEB3.0C9D3659@aol.com> Subject: Re: Summit Point Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:42:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 That was a little ditty on my part. He had no idea :-) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Summit Point > OK. Now I have seen everything. Sean has his own racing crap for sale? Geesssshhhhhh....what's this world coming too? ;-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:50:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, fj1100@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean1.jpg > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean2.jpg > > > > And be sure to get your official Sean Jordon paraphernalia! > > > > http://www.cafeshops.com/sjordon > > > > :-) > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brad Faas" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:23 AM > > Subject: Summit Point > > > > > > > A big congratulations is in order for Mr. Sean Jordan, who kicked > > > my butt this weekend at Summit. And what a beautiful weekend it > > > was.... > > > > > > Dammit Sean, next year when I'm back to full health...ah, > > > whatever. Sean ran better than I ever have before, so I can't really > > > blame his winning on my less-than-perfect physical condition. He > > > would have beat me well anyway. > > > > > > I think Sean would've had a very good finish in Lightweight GP > > > (maybe top 5??), but it turns out that bikes don't run > > well without > > > fuel. :-) > > > > > > Anyone grab some photos? (Gary??) > > > > > > Brad > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 14:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89IpESi010707; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:51:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89IpEY0010697; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:51:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:51:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020909174508.29765.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020909135108.0238ead0@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020909135108.0238ead0@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g89IpDSi010680 So is it true they stop about the same distance? you've got what 4 times the weight, but 4 tires how does that work out? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 15:24:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89JOASi011043; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:24:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89JO11u011019; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:24:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020909192358.92700.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Summit Point To: Gary Foreman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <017701c25821$09e20e50$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Gary Foreman wrote: > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean1.jpg > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean2.jpg > > And be sure to get your official Sean Jordon > paraphernalia! > > http://www.cafeshops.com/sjordon damn.... i was really hoping to find some sean jordan disposable undergarments. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 15:28:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89JSWSi011410; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:28:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89JSWZ8011402; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:28:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009101c25837$d86a83e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <20020909192358.92700.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Summit Point Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:33:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 What's next: a full line of Dick E. Anker, Esq. products? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > > > > And be sure to get your official Sean Jordon > > paraphernalia! > > > > http://www.cafeshops.com/sjordon > > damn.... i was really hoping to find some sean jordan > disposable undergarments. > -- > tg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 15:28:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89JStSi011450; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:28:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89JStDd011443; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:28:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <024101c25836$e527bc20$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <20020909192358.92700.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Summit Point Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:26:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I'm sure he had some underwear to toss out when he ran out of fuel :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Gary Foreman" ; Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Summit Point > --- Gary Foreman wrote: > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean1.jpg > > http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/sean2.jpg > > > > And be sure to get your official Sean Jordon > > paraphernalia! > > > > http://www.cafeshops.com/sjordon > > damn.... i was really hoping to find some sean jordan > disposable undergarments. > > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 15:52:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89JqBSi011849; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:52:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89JqBbh011840; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:52:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020909195209.98907.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020909192358.92700.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you mean there isn't a reserve switch underneath the tank? When mine runs out of gas you have a few seconds to realize it. Just keep leaning left and I can limp home normally. Or you can be like Keener and have his gas cap come flying off and about hit me in the face shield. *grin* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 15:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89JqpSi011878; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:52:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89Jqp5t011873; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:52:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:52:48 -0700 From: " Jeff Kopchik" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: jkop@XXXXXX Subject: [No Subject] Sender: jkop@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 167.176.6.8 Everyone, I'm a new rider. Passed the MSF course in May and bought a used '92 Honda Nighthawk 750. I've been monitoring this discussion group since then. I'm married with a 5 year old son, so I generally can't do really long rides. But, I am looking for people who may be interested in shorter (2-3 hour RT) rides in MD beginning and ending around Bethesda. I usually ride on Saturday or Sunday mornings. Patti showed me the way to Sugarloaf a couple of weeks ago and I really enjoyed the ride. Let me know if you are interested. Jeff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 16:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89KMsSi012337; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:22:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89KMmY3012322; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:22:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <018701c2583e$49e5d190$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: Subject: rechroming? Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:20:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Hi everyone, What kind of shop would re-chrome things like wheels and fenders? I tried a couple of local bike shops but could not find the right place. Now that the innards of my BSA are *almost* complete, I have to start figuring out how to make the outside real pretty. I have a lot of chrome that needs to be re-chromed: the tank, wheels, fenders, pipes, etc. Thanks! -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 17:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89LVYSi012871; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:31:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89LVDMZ012856; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:31:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020909173041.009f8ec0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:31:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Summit Point In-Reply-To: <20020909192358.92700.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <017701c25821$09e20e50$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Gimer wrote: >damn.... i was really hoping to find some sean jordan >disposable undergarments. Let me guess....with my picture strategically located on the INSIDE of the garment, right? Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 18:07:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89M70Si013186; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:07:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89M7038013179; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:07:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: State Farm and Sportbikes??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is a rumor going on the SBN site that State Farm will no longer issue sportbike policies. Anyone heard anything? Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 18:15:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89MFESi013373; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:15:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89MF9eY013363; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:15:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020909221507.28392.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Summit Point To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020909173041.009f8ec0@mail.mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Gimer wrote: > > >damn.... i was really hoping to find some sean jordan > >disposable undergarments. > > Let me guess....with my picture strategically located on > the INSIDE of the garment, right? why YES.... provided they're available. if not, would you be so kind as to provide me with a few laminated, wallet-sized self-portraits and some scotch tape? tia -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 18:33:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89MXGSi013562; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:33:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89MXGsB013552; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:33:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles List \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: State Farm and Sportbikes??? Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:33:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c25851$0f193260$b382c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Dan interrupted the Gimer-Jordan fun fest with: There is a rumor going on the SBN site that State Farm will no longer issue sportbike policies. Anyone heard anything? [Dave] Dude. Don't even suggest it. It's already bad enough getting sport bike insurance, without State Farm, it will be outrageous. I got a new, standalone M/C policy as recent as March w/ SF... that's as much as I know on the matter... I hope it's not true. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 18:52:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89MqYSi013875; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:52:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89MqY32013869; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:52:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Brad Faas" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dan Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:29:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: State Farm and Sportbikes??? Message-ID: <3D7CE89E.24705.23077A2@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Hmmm. Never knew State Farm even classified bikes as such. 'Least, they never asked me. Just asked for manufacturer and engine size. I paid MORE for my SV650 (~64hp) than I did for my CBR600 F4 (~90hp, and way more "sporty"). Go figure. Brad On 9 Sep 2002 at 18:11, dan wrote: > There is a rumor going on the SBN site that State Farm will no longer > issue sportbike policies. Anyone heard anything? > > Dan > > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 19:27:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89NRDSi014424; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:27:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89NRCoT014417; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:27:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Motor PsychoL Danny cc: Troutman , Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Vehicle weight, contact patch area, etc. tend to be canceled out in the equations. To the first order the maximum possible (friction braking) deceleration is only proportional to the coeffecient of friction, e.g. rubber on road. Lots of real-world things complicate this, not the least of which include gunk on the road, the complexity of the transition between static (non skidding) and dynamic (skidding) friction, operator skill, and so on. Sorry if this is TMI. ;-) -ph On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > So is it true they stop about the same distance? > > you've got what 4 times the weight, but 4 tires > > how does that work out? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 19:47:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89NlMSi014644; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:47:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89NlMlf014634; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:47:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7D3454.690CDAB7@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 19:52:52 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Motor PsychoL Danny CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trucks, bikes, cages References: <20020909174508.29765.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020909135108.0238ead0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > So is it true they stop about the same distance? > > you've got what 4 times the weight, but 4 tires > > how does that work out? Simple physics, dude. Measure the tire contact patch on your scoot and then do a car tire. Mucho bigger, yes? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 19:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89NrCSi014710; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:53:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89NrBxg014704; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:53:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7D35B1.EEC29EAD@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 19:58:42 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patti Rodgers CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rechroming? References: <018701c2583e$49e5d190$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patti Rodgers wrote: > Hi everyone, > > What kind of shop would re-chrome things like wheels and fenders? I tried a > couple of local bike shops but could not find the right place. Now that the > innards of my BSA are *almost* complete, I have to start figuring out how to > make the outside real pretty. I have a lot of chrome that needs to be > re-chromed: the tank, wheels, fenders, pipes, etc. > > Thanks! > > -patti Ready to cash in all your CDs? Chroming is expensive if done right. Use to a place in Baltimore, probably shut down by the EPA (chroming is a dirty business). I believe Pennsylvania has a couple shops, and a neighbor who does vintage hot rods sent some stuff to Tennessee. I'd check the Brit bike bulletin boards and chats to get a line on a good shop. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 19:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89NrWSi014741; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:53:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g89NrWj0014736; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:53:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R6 owners group? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 19:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g89NrUSi014724 can someone provide the link tothe R6 owners message club/group/list. A friend of mine has the 2001 r6 with the LED brake lights, and wants to know if there is a cheap way to integrate the brake and turn signals. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 20:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A00ASi015119; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:00:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A00AXo015114; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:00:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7D3753.C40493B0@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:05:39 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Faas CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dan Subject: Re: State Farm and Sportbikes??? References: <3D7CE89E.24705.23077A2@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, State farm did discriminate back in the late `80s. My son got a Yamahonker FZ sumpin and our agent said he had to SEE it. Son rode it up there and Agent man scans a sheet in his paw - pics of various style bikes. He sez "uh-oh" realizing the bike was a crotch rocket, but then he sez it's a go! At the time SF wouldn't insure any crotch rocket with more'n 750cc, and the kid's was a 700cc. Hmmm... ??? Dang thing would bust 150 without even breathing hard. Don't know what the SF policy is now, they insured my dog-slow Harley. Bill Brad Faas wrote: > Hmmm. Never knew State Farm even classified bikes as such. > 'Least, they never asked me. Just asked for manufacturer and > engine size. I paid MORE for my SV650 (~64hp) than I did for my > CBR600 F4 (~90hp, and way more "sporty"). > > Go figure. > > Brad > > On 9 Sep 2002 at 18:11, dan wrote: > > > There is a rumor going on the SBN site that State Farm will no longer > > issue sportbike policies. Anyone heard anything? > > > > Dan > > > > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 20:02:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A02cSi015282; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:02:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A02aYZ015267; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:02:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: State Farm and Sportbikes??? In-Reply-To: <000401c25851$0f193260$b382c0cf@nih.gov> Message-ID: <20020909165712.V83023-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Dave Yates wrote: > Dan interrupted the Gimer-Jordan fun fest with: > > There is a rumor going on the SBN site that State Farm will no longer > issue sportbike policies. Anyone heard anything? > > [Dave] Dude. Don't even suggest it. It's already bad enough getting > sport bike insurance, without State Farm, it will be outrageous. I > got a new, standalone M/C policy as recent as March w/ SF... that's as > much as I know on the matter... I hope it's not true. When shopping for Boosa insurance in Feb I could not get a reasonable quote from SF for a stand alone policy. I ended up temporarily going with Allstate, which had my all my cars, house and car trailer ($1200/year for liability and comp :-\). My Allstate agent ended up finding a place called Motorcycle Services that hooked me for $796/year for liability, comp and coll as a stand alone policy. Married, 30, multi vehicle discount ;-), 1 ticket, no accidents. Places like Progressive wanted 3,000+yr :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 20:35:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A0Z9Si015702; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:35:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A0Z9Am015698; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:35:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009501c25893$c1cefd80$f056f7a5@de3bw> Reply-To: "cplvfr" From: "cplvfr" To: Subject: '01 YZF600R carb synchronizing Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:31:53 -1000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Anybody know how? My sister's fiance and I have his bike apart and have found there are no apparent places to connect a vacuum gauge. WTF? Thanks Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F http://www.angelfire.com/extreme3/svbadguy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 21:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A16nSi016141; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:06:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A16moG016131; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:06:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7D46F1.A57C9B4E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:12:17 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cplvfr CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '01 YZF600R carb synchronizing References: <009501c25893$c1cefd80$f056f7a5@de3bw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cplvfr wrote: > Anybody know how? My sister's fiance and I have his bike apart and have > found there are no apparent places to connect a vacuum gauge. WTF? > > Thanks Good grief! You took an `01 bike apart? Hint, motor run, why screw with it. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 21:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A1jvSi016455; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:45:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A1jtOx016440; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:45:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dccycles" Subject: trucks hitting bikers Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:44:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:40 PM To: dc-cycles list Subject: Trucks, bikes, cages How is a trucker supposed to maintain adequate spacing on the highway when cages (and bikes) won't give adequate room when changing lanes. (snip) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > > [Dave] And the thing with the barrelling big trucks is that they could strike a cage several cages behind you & still cause you trouble. (snip) > > Dave There's a woman in my riding group who was sitting at a stop light. After the Honda Accord behind her came to a complete stop she then shifted to neutral for the rest of the light cycle. A dump truck slammed in the the Accord, he had made no attempt to stop. Sent her and her Seca II in to the intersection. Luckily she was wearing a good jacket that helped her when she hit pavement. She was also lucky that the cross traffic didn't run her over. I don't know the current status of the case but I think it is going to drag on for quite a while. Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 22:03:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A23PSi016801; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:03:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A23P21016795; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:03:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'dccycles'" Subject: RE: trucks hitting bikers Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:57:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c2586d$800843a0$b382c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Lisa Lamented: There's a woman in my riding group who was sitting at a stop light. After the Honda Accord behind her came to a complete stop she then shifted to neutral for the rest of the light cycle. A dump truck slammed in the the Accord, he had made no attempt to stop. Sent her and her Seca II in to the intersection. Luckily she was wearing a good jacket that helped her when she hit pavement. She was also lucky that the cross traffic didn't run her over. I don't know the current status of the case but I think it is going to drag on for quite a while. [Dave] There's a perfectly good case for: a) The return of the Vigilance Committees b) Justifiable assault on said truck driver to effect detainment c) Upon request of at least 3 witnesses, officers should be able to dispense 'wood shampoos' d) "honest officer, the driver sustained the broken jaw, eye socket & missing teeth falling out of the cab. I was just helping him up" e) All of the above. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 22:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A2HGSi017012; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:17:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A2HFll017002; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:17:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f801c2586f$fbe7c5c0$7d692c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , "'dccycles'" References: <001301c2586d$800843a0$b382c0cf@nih.gov> Subject: Re: trucks hitting bikers Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:15:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 State laws are generally pretty weak when it comes to those who kill or maim people in traffic accidents. Unless the state can prove drunkenness or other factors that amount to "depraved indifference" (I believe that's the standard for manslaughter in many states) these cases usually get written off as "schuss happens" and driver gets a slap on the wrist. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: "'dccycles'" Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: RE: trucks hitting bikers > Lisa Lamented: > > There's a woman in my riding group who was sitting at a stop light. > After > the Honda Accord behind her came to a complete stop she then shifted to > neutral for the rest of the light cycle. A dump truck slammed ... > > [Dave] There's a perfectly good case for: > a) The return of the Vigilance Committees > b) Justifiable assault on said truck driver to effect detainment > c) Upon request of at least 3 witnesses, officers should be able to > dispense 'wood shampoos' > d) "honest officer, the driver sustained the broken jaw, eye socket & > missing teeth falling out of the cab. I was just helping him up" > e) All of the above. > > Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 22:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A2LVSi017171; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:21:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A2LV2Q017161; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:21:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "William J. Huson" Cc: cplvfr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '01 YZF600R carb synchronizing Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <009501c25893$c1cefd80$f056f7a5@de3bw> <3D7D46F1.A57C9B4E@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D7D46F1.A57C9B4E@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8A2LUSi017149 No kidding. If it stops running right, return for warranty service. On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:12:17 -0400, "William J. Huson" wrote: >cplvfr wrote: > >> Anybody know how? My sister's fiance and I have his bike apart and have >> found there are no apparent places to connect a vacuum gauge. WTF? >> >> Thanks > >Good grief! You took an `01 bike apart? Hint, motor run, why screw with >it. > >Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 22:31:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A2V6Si017345; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:31:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A2V66d017335; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:31:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Dave Yates" Cc: "'dccycles'" Subject: Re: trucks hitting bikers Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:31:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <001301c2586d$800843a0$b382c0cf@nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <001301c2586d$800843a0$b382c0cf@nih.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8A2V5Si017318 What if something went wrong with the truck? you beat the SH&T out of the guy who's trying to feed his family just because his luck is as bad as everyone elses and it makes you feel better? atleast wait for him to say something stupid like "I spilled my coffee and wasn't paying attention" or "sorry I just been driving so long i got drousy and" Now if the accident is a result of him being drunk or stupid, I'm all for cleaning the gene pool by 1> mousalini hanging 2> free way over pass bounce testing 3> cinderblock floatation tester 4> fireworks display of why kids shouldn't play with fireworks (you know stuff where he doesn't die at your hands, but dies as a result.. kind of like.. if he was meant to live, a miracle woulda happened) or use him to test drugs, instead of animals. Why test drugs on animals when we can test it on the lower life form we call SCUM and it's got closer genetical makeup. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 9 23:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A3fYSi017784; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:41:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A3fYkv017774; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:41:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020910034132.55338.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: OT: jobs for IT security people To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Granted I haven't landed my fish as yet but I've got a recruiter who has a goodly number of leads and has slots that need filling. If you have a clearance (even a Secret) he would love to talk to you. Contact me off-list. (and no I don't get a commission but hmm, maybe I'll ask him about that. heh!) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 00:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A4mOSi018201; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:48:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A4mNWD018191; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:48:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3f.114b4726.2aaed38d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:48:13 EDT Subject: bike night To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi :) lots to say -- surprise surprise! ill just send different emails so they aren't so long! lets start with bike night. chuck and mark -- please do reconsider organizing another one! if you let people know you need help im sure you'd get some volunteers? i tried to introduce myself to as many people as possible. did i miss anyone? (i even tried to introduce myself to non-dc-cycle people! -- of course they were attractive young men w/o wedding rings but no one slipped me their email address! -- they must not of realized that i was the one driving the purple honda.) since im relatively new to the list (although most are completely aware of my existence!), im wondering if we have cager nights in the winter? oh wait --- you guys ride your bikes year round!? how about a bike/cager night? the non-street/racer only bikers could join us too and not feel left out because they're driving in a cage rather than on a bike. to be continued :) jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 00:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A4oYSi018248; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:50:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A4oXrf018241; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:50:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <169.137ba9b4.2aaed40c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:50:20 EDT Subject: trip to pa To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 greetings :) wayne wondered about alternate routes to western pa. no time to figure it out on this trip! i woke up late saturday but still made it to the poker run from my apartment in 3 hours and 45 minutes. i planned it well enough that i only had to stop once to get gas! i made a suggestion to my stepdad about the poker run. how about instead of going from bar to bar to bar --- make it a progressive dinner run. do you guys know what a progressive dinner is? my stepdads response was something to the effect of 'go ahead. get all of you girl bikers together and have a progressive dinner. maybe you can even knit at each stop?' smartbutt! i thought it was a great idea! there were about 140 bikes. i didn't do so well at the poker part but many were impressed that i drove 240 miles to ride in the 100 mile poker run! the trip back to baltimore was a bit chilly! i left at 5am to return for church in baltimore. after 30 miles i put on all of the clothes that i could from in my overnight bag and i was still froze! after another 30 miles, i fueled my body up with some hot chocolate. someone mentioned that it was in the 40s!! i finally hit breezewood about 7:15am or so. thats when i decided to give up on the idea of making it to church in time. i learned that if you pick a back table of a mcdonalds, you can nap for at least an hour before someone slams their tray on the top of the nearest trash can! after that, i had a beautiful morning ride back. definitely time to get some warm riding clothes! ill figure out an alternate way next time :) jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 00:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A4q3Si018401; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:52:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A4q3Qw018393; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:52:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:51:51 EDT Subject: guitar transporting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 now for guitar transporting ---- even tho i didn't make it back to church in time, i still took my guitar over sunday so i wouldn't have to try riding with it in rather heavy traffic when i went over today for practice. i strapped the guitar over my shoulder and head. i only have one strap compared to the backpack style bags. i started to feel the resistance on it about 45-50 mph. brought it home with me tonight on the bike again without any problems. many thanks to all of your suggestions! :) many of you even play the guitar. i have an extremely old one (however i don't think itd be considered 'vintage'!) and a 6 string acoustic/electric ibanez. how about a bike night / guitar jammin session? :) we'd have to leave a little early to meet up since we can only go about 45-55 mph! more to come... jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 00:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8A4w9Si018894; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:58:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8A4w98G018883; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:58:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ad.82839ce.2aaed5d6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:57:58 EDT Subject: the leak... etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 now for the leak: i washed my bike very thoroughly on sunday afternoon. the leak was already showing after going about 70 miles or so to run some errands and then to drive to carpool. going with the opinion of those who have looked at the bike, i agree that its probably not the clutch cable leaking. on thursday, im going to go up to a honda dealer in hanover (not the dealer i bought the bike from) and have a mechanic give me his/her professional opinion. that has been the recommendation of most -- its covered under warrantee. if they need it for multiple days, they can keep it when im in europe for two weeks in october! exactly 3 more weeks -- im sure ill be missed! i feel like ive posted like danny now --- pages and pages of stuff that no one really wants to read but we get sucked in just to see what's being said! danny --- i don't believe i met you at bike night? tg --- you were definitely missed! aki -- were you there? maybe next time! john aka penguinbiker? paul in dc? it might be my fault -- i might have experienced technical difficulties associating real names and faces with email addresses. who all is planning on going to the Ren Festival on the 28th? even though im techinically still a newbie since i just started riding this summer and purchased by bike at the end of june, i should turn over 4400 miles tomorrow. woohoo! i think next summer id love to take a camping ride through the new england states. *gets all dreamy* thats all for a now.. jtb 2002 purple monster new balance sneakers brown sketcher sandals From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 08:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ACfrSi021625; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:41:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ACforS021615; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:41:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7DE9CF.359A68E9@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:47:11 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: The Great Trailer Project... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The steel has been delivared, the first cuts made, and I'm on my way to building an M/C trailer. Yeah, yeah, you can buy a Kendall for mega-bucks, or convert a garden trailer, but I've built several custom trailers before to carry multiple outboard race boats and one a dude used to haul a pile of canoes/kayays, and sculls. Besides, I like to abuse myself by trying out ideas. This trailer will haul one bike centered, or two bikes, or maybe even three naked bikes! My main ride is a heavy beast, so loading it was a consideration. A squat trailer (designs exist) involves to many moving mechanical things, more parts to jam or fail. A ramp, yes, but those flip-up garden trailer ramps are butt-ugly. So my plan is a slide-out ramp! A long slide out ramp so my ol' bod doesn't strain a nut pushing The Beast on the trailer. The usage plan is family trips. The usual destinations are the Outer Banks and Chatanooga TN. Now we can travel in one vehicle. And if the weather turns to crap I don't have to freeze my skinny ass off on the trip there or home, like I have two years running on the way back from NC in Oct. Hey, I'm older than dirt, I'm entitled to wimp out on occasion! Figure a few weeks and y`all can add my name to the rescue your bike list. One trailer w/tie-downs. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 08:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ACmcSi021899; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:48:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ACmcq2021891; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:48:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 10 Sep 2002 12:48:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020910124836.7016.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: trucks hitting bikers X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Danny naively asks: >What if something went wrong with the truck? you beat the SH&T out of >the guy who's trying to feed his family just because his luck is as >bad as everyone elses and it makes you feel better? [Dave] Yup. >atleast wait for him to say something stupid like "I spilled my coffee >and wasn't paying attention" or "sorry I just been driving so long i >got drousy and" [Dave] Those excuses play if he plows down my fence, or mailbox, but when he plows into the back of my moms car, or my Wife's SUV, I'd empty my savings to pay a cop to issue an up close & personal intro to a PR-24. >Now if the accident is a result of him being drunk or stupid, I'm all >for cleaning the gene pool by >1> mousalini hanging >2> free way over pass bounce testing >3> cinderblock floatation tester >4> fireworks display of why kids shouldn't play with fireworks >(you know stuff where he doesn't die at your hands, but dies as a >result.. kind of like.. if he was meant to live, a miracle woulda >happened) [Dave] Yup, I saw them, they were trying to help him up, but he kept falling down... >or use him to test drugs, instead of animals. Why test drugs on >animals when we can test it on the lower life form we call SCUM and >it's got closer genetical makeup. [Dave] In all seriousness, don't drive the vehicle if it's not in good working order. often forgotten fact: more people are killed by automobiles (including motorcycles) than are killed by firearms here in America... Anyway, School has started, and I've noticed my 10 mile commute takes at least 10 minutes longer each way. NoVa traffic is pretty heavy, but I didn't realize school had that much effect until this last week. Longer lines at every light. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 09:03:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AD3NSi022136; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:03:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AD3NAO022129; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:03:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020910130320.45328.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: the leak... etc. To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1ad.82839ce.2aaed5d6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > danny --- i don't believe i met you at bike night? tg > --- you were definitely missed! jtb, you've uncovered my secret. i've found that i have the best odds of being missed when i fail to show up. -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 09:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ADFMSi022338; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:15:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ADFKCg022328; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:15:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020910131518.47857.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:15:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: more cage help: tires To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii anybody have an opinion as to the best tire choice of the following bunch?..... -bridgestone potenza re92 -pirelli p7000 supersport -goodyear eagle rs-a thanks -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 09:22:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ADMTSi022519; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:22:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ADMTjq022511; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:22:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 10 Sep 2002 13:22:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020910132227.15475.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more cage help: tires X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Tom polluted the list with yet more cage drivel >anybody have an opinion as to the best tire choice of the >following bunch?..... >-bridgestone potenza re92 >-pirelli p7000 supersport >-goodyear eagle rs-a [Dave] If you want something done, do it yourself... To that end, check out www.tirerack.com . They have a mondo selection of tires, reviews, customer feedback, sizing, ratings - you name it, they have it if it relates to tires... Last time I ordered, NTB price matched the shipped tire rack price (and ordered from them)... HTH Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 09:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ADfcSi022788; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:41:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ADfcAc022780; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:41:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020910134135.61365.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:41:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: '01 YZF600R carb synchronizing To: Motor PsychoL Danny , "William J. Huson" Cc: cplvfr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guys, I think he's probably just trying to sync the carbs after rejetting for a new pipe or something. You guys who never do any modifications to your bikes can just keep quiet over there! :^P Chris Weaver --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > No kidding. If it stops running right, return for > warranty service. > > On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:12:17 -0400, "William J. > Huson" > wrote: > > >cplvfr wrote: > > > >> Anybody know how? My sister's fiance and I have > his bike apart and have > >> found there are no apparent places to connect a > vacuum gauge. WTF? > >> > >> Thanks > > > >Good grief! You took an `01 bike apart? Hint, > motor run, why screw with > >it. > > > >Bill > > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 09:52:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ADqRSi023019; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:52:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ADqRl7023009; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:52:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020910135224.53896.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: more cage help: tires To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020910132227.15475.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Tom polluted the list with yet more cage drivel > > >anybody have an opinion as to the best tire choice of > the > >following bunch?..... > >-bridgestone potenza re92 > >-pirelli p7000 supersport > >-goodyear eagle rs-a > > [Dave] If you want something done, do it yourself... To > that end, check out www.tirerack.com . They have a mondo > selection of tires, reviews, customer feedback, sizing, > ratings - you name it, they have it if it relates to > tires... > > Last time I ordered, NTB price matched the shipped tire > rack price (and ordered from them)... > > HTH dave: thanks. funny, i was actually in the middle of an order from tirerack.com! new wheels and tires for wifey's car (which is about to become mine because she likes my new one better) :( ah, the joys of marriage.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 10:13:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AEDCSi023370; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:13:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AEDCex023363; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:13:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7DFF40.FDA511F7@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:18:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: Motor PsychoL Danny , cplvfr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '01 YZF600R carb synchronizing References: <20020910134135.61365.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver wrote: > Guys, I think he's probably just trying to sync the > carbs after rejetting for a new pipe or something. You > guys who never do any modifications to your bikes can > just keep quiet over there! :^P > > Chris Weaver I did mods, and rejetted. However, it seems like American ingenuity figured out how to feed more'n one cylinder with only one carburetor! No synching required. :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 10:18:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AEIaSi023535; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:18:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AEIaCQ023529; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:18:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7E0085.CE9A0098@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:24:06 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: more cage help: tires References: <20020910131518.47857.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > anybody have an opinion as to the best tire choice of the > following bunch?..... > > -bridgestone potenza re92 > -pirelli p7000 supersport > -goodyear eagle rs-a > > thanks > > -- > tg > Hmm... Well, I've used Pirelli on my my van and was very happy with them. At the moment both my trucks are running Bridgestone, save for the two cheapies my son put on the van when he had it for a year or so. I like the Bridgestone too, quiet on the road, and like the Pirellis, they stuck to the pavement in heavy rain. Only Goodyear Eagles I had were on my Z-28. Worked great for the first 15K or so and then they'd hydroplane at the first sign of rain. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 10:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AEPaSi023838; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:25:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AEPaQn023830; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:25:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012f01c258d6$c4ba8940$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <1ad.82839ce.2aaed5d6@aol.com> Subject: Re: the leak... etc. Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:30:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Paul in DC was tired, hungry, in desperate need of alcoholic refreshment, and at the end of a ride back from New Hampshire, so he made a bee line for the old homestead and skipped Bike Night. Didn't make a single Bike Night this year. :( I keep waiting for one of Chuck P's informal Bike Nights at Java Shack. We're all technically newbies with lots to learn, BTW. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: > danny --- i don't believe i met you at bike night? tg --- you were > definitely missed! aki -- were you there? maybe next time! john aka > penguinbiker? paul in dc? it might be my fault -- i might have experienced > technical difficulties associating real names and faces with email addresses. > > even though im techinically still a newbie since i just started riding this > summer and purchased by bike at the end of june... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 10:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AEVOSi024072; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:31:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AEVOvU024064; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:31:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVauZMkoO5Oq9l2LehbXdGbStV6sm4y3ekqOYhYQxWmmgHtRU0hxvc9jlDmWlZMRVEo= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'William J. Huson'" Cc: Subject: RE: '01 YZF600R carb synchronizing Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:31:16 -0400 Message-ID: <005e01c258d6$b98a00f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal ...and get less'n than 60 HP out of 1380 cm^3. -----William J. Huson wrote Chris Weaver wrote: > Guys, I think he's probably just trying to sync the > carbs after rejetting for a new pipe or something. You > guys who never do any modifications to your bikes can > just keep quiet over there! :^P > > Chris Weaver I did mods, and rejetted. However, it seems like American ingenuity figured out how to feed more'n one cylinder with only one carburetor! No synching required. :-) Bill ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 10:35:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AEZVSi024230; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:35:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AEZUBI024224; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:35:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7E047C.AA749FA7@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:41:00 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Center of Gravity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before I go thru the aggravation of cobblng together a rocker board - large plank on top of a pipe - I figure I'd ask for a clue from the dc-cycles brain trust. Does anyone know what the CG is on a Harley bagger? A distance related to wheelbase would work. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 10:40:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AEe6Si024313; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:40:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AEe6gq024305; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:40:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7E0590.90F51C5F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:45:36 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Strang CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '01 YZF600R carb synchronizing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Strang wrote: > ...and get less'n than 60 HP out of 1380 cm^3. The standard carb with a bit of tweaking will support more'n 80 horsepower. Mine is a shade over 60 now, and in my opinion, that's enough for a bagger. The FLH Harleys aren't suited for Warp 3 speeds. Not to mention that at my advanced age (older than dirt) my reaction time is measured in seconds, not milliseconds. Slow an' chuggy suits me just fine :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 11:01:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AF12Si024693; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:01:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AF119u024668; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:01:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:00:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Hah! It works! Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Many thanks to all the listers who responded to my brake-light questions. Props go out to all of you, especially the inimitable Matt Patton who dragged hisself out to my place to give me a hand. After much head-scratching, we decided the switches were passing enough electrons to register as 12V, but the amperage was really low (high resistance?), ergo no lights. New switches went on last night (again courtesy of Matt), and voila! The dern thing works. Fan-freakin'-tastic. So. Miles ridden thus far: Dunno. Five? Ten? Drops thus far: one, trying to turn around in the width of my driveway. Need to work on that low-speed maneuvering some, obviously. Gas stations visited for inspection: Two. Inspections performed: Zero. Frustrated Fish: One. It was all I could do not to ride in this morning. Good idea not to, though, as the crazy-ass BDC quotient was higher than usual today on the inner loop between 50 and the WW. Plus there was a four-mile backup, which I dodged by taking 210-295-395. People who sit in traffic jams because they can't be arsed to find an alternate route are suckers and deserve what they get. Anyway, riding is tons of fun even when you're as clueless as I am. I wouldn't exactly call it better than sex, but let's just say it's about as much fun as I've had with my clothes (LOTS of clothes) on. Fish. non cogito ergo non sum From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 11:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AFJlSi025019; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:19:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AFJk2d025012; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:19:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:18:45 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Bike night Photos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8AFJjSi024995 Here are a few photos from Sunday night. (Ok a few are from a ride on Sat) George Cole http://home1.nikonnet.com/servlet/com.arcsoft.LoginNew?com=arcsoftBanner&awp=index3.html&DIRECT=&USERNAME=gcole@XXXXXX&PASSWORD=nikoneditor_-1196372647&WHO=memberguest From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 11:51:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AFpwSi025362; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:51:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AFpw2E025358; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:51:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8b.1d9c10b3.2aaf6f0e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:51:42 EDT Subject: Re: bike night To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/10/2002 12:48:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX writes: > (i even tried to introduce myself to > non-dc-cycle people! --) You would be a lot safer... > of course they were attractive young men w/o > wedding > rings Lets see Attractive? No. Young? No. w/o ring? No. DAMN! #:-) > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 11:57:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AFvdSi025540; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:57:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AFvdqT025532; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:57:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <121.169308b4.2aaf706e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:57:34 EDT Subject: Re: trucks hitting bikers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/10/2002 8:49:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > >or use him to test drugs, instead of animals. Why test drugs on > >animals when we can test it on the lower life form we call SCUM and > >it's got closer genetical makeup. > Hells bells, half of the truckers out there are already "testing" drugs. And I do not want to think about the close genetics, makes me ill. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 12:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AG2BSi025736; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:02:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AG2A7P025726; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14a.13cd2e2a.2aaf7178@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:02:00 EDT Subject: Re: '01 YZF600R carb synchronizing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/10/2002 9:41:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > Guys, I think he's probably just trying to sync the > carbs after rejetting for a new pipe or something. Clearly what he is doing is working on a damn expensive chunk of complex machinery without the proper instructions, or he would not be having the problem. Say "Shop Manuel" it can save you one hell of a lot of grief and money. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 12:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AG5oSi025901; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:05:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AG5o6r025890; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:05:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007501c258e3$e2a79850$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: References: <8b.1d9c10b3.2aaf6f0e@aol.com> Subject: Re: bike night Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:05:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In a message dated 9/10/2002 12:48:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX writes: (i even tried to introduce myself to non-dc-cycle people! --) How do you do that, Hi, are you a non DC Cycle person. I'm not. of course they were attractive young men w/o wedding rings Lets see Attractive? Everyone has their own opinion, of course they all have (deleted) too http://guild.cydewaze.org/cast/cast3.php (I am the bottom right pic) Young? Age is just years of experience, the rest are just details w/o ring? I have a nice Celtic Cross ring. Oh that one, it means nothing Whatever #:-) > Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 13:06:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AH6pSi026565; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:06:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AH6n4d026550; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:06:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020910095417.022b30f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:06:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: TiVo - Riding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I started this email at 9:15am then all Hell broke loose around here. It is after 1pm now. I have to say that I love, and highly recommend TiVo integrated with a DirecTV receiver. I picked up a Sony / TiVo combo that has blown my mind. I have it recording the few shows we watch routinely (Law and Order, Many HGTV DIY shows, Simpsons, plus all of the HBO series) plus anything with the keyword Motorcycle in the name. Besides standard Speedvision off-hour races from overseas, I am getting odd reality shows that have motorcycle themes, movies about motorcycles, Bike Week and more. The really cool part is that I watch them when I want, while it is recording some other show at the same time. I haven't connected the dual tuner cable yet, but when I do I get recordings of one channel while watching LiveTV on another (or a recording of something else). I went though a list of the next month of movies showing on my subscribed channels, and picked out a few at 2 and 3am to watch later. If I like them enough, I can save them off to videotape. TiVo is worth every penny when integrated into the DirecTV programming guide. Not sure how good it is with cable systems or as a separate unit. Of course the other features - pausing live TV, rewinding up to 30 minutes, skipping commercials .... they all rock as well. MC Content - I haven't been riding much because of the expired sticker and tire I'm still waiting on. But also - I have a bit of a back problem. Two bulging discs are making it hard to walk, let alone ride anymore. Kaiser is taking it's sweet time seeing me. I meet the surgeon next week to go over options, and my PCP seems to think surgery is the only option for my case - besides the countless drugs he has prescribed (no real help). So - I won't be riding through my favorite part of the year ... and with fresh shoes to boot! Anyone on list that is interested in riding a '97 VFR 750 around is welcome to stop by and take it for a spin once I get the sticker up to date. I won't be selling it - but I want to make sure it gets put through the paces routinely until I get this worked out. Destined to be my lowest mileage year yet - right around 4k right now. I think it's about to flip 35k. I can't wait to get back out there..... Sigh.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 13:35:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AHZsSi026874; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:35:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AHZsC7026866; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:35:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BB6D@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'jkop@XXXXXX'" Subject: rides in MD Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:40:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Jeff Kopchik Just Konfessed, "I'm a new rider. Passed the MSF course in May and bought a used '92 Honda Nighthawk 750. I've been monitoring this discussion group since then." [Congratulations, a sane way to start.] "I'm married with a 5 year old son, so I generally can't do really long rides." [You'd be surprised how long they can hang on :^)] "But, I am looking for people who may be interested in shorter (2-3 hour RT) rides in MD beginning and ending around Bethesda. I usually ride on Saturday or Sunday mornings." [Again, a sane time. By noon the cagers are clogging the roads. My youngest daughter passed the MSF course last month and as soon as I finish the forks on Bike #2 *, we'll be taking some easy rubber-nekking rides. ] "Patti showed me the way to Sugarloaf a couple of weeks ago and I really enjoyed the ride. Let me know if you are interested. Jeff" [Carl in Bethesda (just west of NIH. 301-530-3753 --- listed if you lose it] * @#$%ing Honda snap rings. Got the rusty ones out, but looking for Kawasaki springclips to replace them. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 14:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AIHISi027272; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:17:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AIHHCt027264; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:17:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020910181710.73599.qmail@web40201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: rides in MD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BB6D@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > "Patti showed me the way to Sugarloaf a couple of weeks ago and I really > enjoyed the ride. Let me know if you are interested. Has Sugarloaf been opened to motorcycles, or do you still have to ride in looking to the right of the road so you fail to see the "No Motorcycles" sign on the left? One of these days we ought to have another "coast" ride down the mountain. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 14:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AIRESi027480; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:27:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AIREsq027472; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:27:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:27:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200209101427.AA12845720@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: OT: Parking ticket humor X-Mailer: Parking Tickets I went to the store the other day, I was only in there for about 5 minutes and when I came out there was a damn motorcycle cop writing a parking ticket. So I went up to him and said, 'Come on buddy, how about giving a guy a break?' He ignored me and continued writing the ticket. So I called him a pencil necked nazi. He glared at me and started writing another ticket for having bald tires!! So I called him a son of a mutant pig. He finished the second ticket and put it on the car with the first. Then he started writing a third ticket!! This went on for about 20 minutes, the more I abused him, the more tickets he wrote. I didn't really care!! My car was parked around the corner... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 15:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AJFOSi027974; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:15:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AJFO2L027966; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:15:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rides in MD Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:15:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BB6D@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> <20020910181710.73599.qmail@web40201.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020910181710.73599.qmail@web40201.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8AJFMSi027954 no motorcycles.. Someone should borrow that sign. move it to a safer place... like the bottom of a lake On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:17:10 -0700 (PDT), "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: >> "Patti showed me the way to Sugarloaf a couple of weeks ago and I really >> enjoyed the ride. Let me know if you are interested. > >Has Sugarloaf been opened to motorcycles, or do you still have to ride in >looking to the right of the road so you fail to see the "No Motorcycles" sign >on the left? > >One of these days we ought to have another "coast" ride down the mountain. > >Louis > > >===== >"Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours >Fairfax, VA >Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > >Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm > >__________________________________________________ >Yahoo! - We Remember >9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost >http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 15:42:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AJgGSi028304; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:42:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AJgDV0028294; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:42:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01a201c25901$c9d45390$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , References: <20020910181710.73599.qmail@web40201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: rides in MD Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:39:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>Has Sugarloaf been opened to motorcycles, or do you still have to ride in >>looking to the right of the road so you fail to see the "No Motorcycles" sign >>on the left? I've honestly never seen a No Motorcycles sign, and although I am the first one to admit I am a little, uh, "flighty" I did work right off the Mountain for a couple years. I would've thought after all that time I'd have seen a sign... at any rate, I ride over the top of the mountain every now and then. Riding on gravel sucks as a rule of thumb, but it's so pretty out there I'll deal with the gravel. It seems like the roads are being rebuilt; last time I was there, the entry road turned to gravel after about a mile, but turned back into regular road near the center of the mountain. Then it turned back into gravel again. I guess it also depends on which one of the mountain roads you take. But I'd be happy to go back there any time anyone wants to go, and am OK with riding over the gravel to the top of the mountain and equally OK with turning back and staying on pavement. There's a lot of really pretty roads out there. Beware Rock Creek Park these days... the Bambi population is really high and they will wander out of the woods closer to daylight, just keep an eye out all the time. What's worse than hitting Bambi is getting rear-ended by the tailgater as you try to avoid Bambi. cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 15:50:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AJogSi028481; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:50:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AJofUK028473; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:50:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003a01c25903$1e9d6280$94805b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bike Night Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:49:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Was finally able to squeeze in an early, first, CarPool visit (had to leave at 6:45). Sorry and darn, didn't recognize anybody (caught the later parts of Sampras/Agassi in between crowd scans). One quick beverage and out. But glad to hear it went well and hope further BikeNights are up for resurrection. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Parked on the street for easy departure. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 15:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AJs1Si028623; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:54:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AJs1Nk028618; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:54:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BB70@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'singley@XXXXXX'" Subject: tools Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:58:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Erick expressed "(hoping to finally ride soon after drilling out old, rusting, frozen brake bleed valve from 74' CB750. Being able to stop seems like a good thing...)" Sniffing around Sears-Monkey-Mall, I saw a 6 point 8mm combination wrench. It was beneath their usual 12 point selection. Just the thing for brake bleeding. Also, most of you already know Trak is going out of business. The Super Trak in Laurel (198 just west of the BWP) has a nice selection left and it's already 50% off. 27mm and 1 1/6" sockets for those fork caps ~ $3.50 each. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 16:00:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AK0SSi028790; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:00:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AK0SX0028782; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:00:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020910200022.76797.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides in MD To: Patti Rodgers , "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01a201c25901$c9d45390$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the "no motorcycles" sign is still there (green text on a little white sign).... but i have never seen or had to deal with enforcement of that "rule." --- Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>Has Sugarloaf been opened to motorcycles, or do you > still have to ride in > >>looking to the right of the road so you fail to see the > "No Motorcycles" > sign > >>on the left? > > I've honestly never seen a No Motorcycles sign, and > although I am the first > one to admit I am a little, uh, "flighty" I did work > right off the Mountain > for a couple years. I would've thought after all that > time I'd have seen a > sign... __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 16:45:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AKjiSi029183; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:45:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8AKjhx7029173; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:45:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BB71@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: music & Mirrors Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:50:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Troutman trolled "Another problem was volume. . . Think I need an amp or something. Not looking for suggestions - Dan bit first, "AMP??? You wanna go deaf? If not get some of the in-ear style headphones. They cut out the wind/road noise so you can enjoy your music at a reasonable volume. IMO, cant beat these for the price: " Some love The Plug some hate it (tho the distracters left a lingering question about what orifice they used :^) Replacing the Koss poly with a quality plug, e.g. Sparkplug or Max is a major improvement, I'm told. FWIW, I don't use the Koss Plug but run my source thru an amp pulled from a computer-speaker (CVS $10). Does just fine through the Howard Leight Max's. Local radio: Sony SRF-M35. Digital, Local/Distance switch, hangs around my neck on an ID strap. $30 at Wally Mart. Mirrors: Re: Rearviews again to the fore Chris Norloff noted, "Yeah. I've been tempted to disconnect my rear brake's brake-light switch so I can control what drivers behind me see with just the front brake lever." Disconnect the front switch. Then use the rear pedal to flash your brake light as you brake with the front. You can even tap to the music. Might kill next year's rear brake thread. =8^O Napoleon mirrors. A bit more but what a difference. Olde Weird Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 17:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ALnsSi029887; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:49:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ALnrqv029877; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:49:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 10 Sep 2002 21:49:49 GMT Message-ID: <024401c25916$068dbce0$6401a8c0@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Paging corbett Buford--good news! Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:04:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Hey Corbett: I need a small favor from you. I won the court case against the tenants and need to get something from you. Can you email me if you get this? Thanks!!!! Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 20:23:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8B0NESi031140; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:23:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8B0N92q031125; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:23:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <94.2c408436.2aafe6e4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:23:00 EDT Subject: Re: rides in MD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/10/2002 1:35:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > * @#$%ing Honda snap rings. > Got the rusty ones out, but looking for Kawasaki springclips to replace > them. They are not hard to work with if you have experience, of course getting it sucks. Make DAMN sure that the clips are the same diameter and wire size, having a piece of spring steel sliding up and down your cylinder will destroy it damn fast. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 20:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8B0S0Si031281; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:28:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8B0S0cX031274; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:28:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <176.e479456.2aafe804@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:27:48 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Parking ticket humor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/10/2002 2:27:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > I didn't really care!! My car was parked around the corner... Reminds me of a story of a biker who got into it with a cage driver in a restaurant, cage driver goes out, stands next to the bike glaring through the window at the Harley in the lot, kicks the bike over and flips the biker off. The owner of the bike, standing behind, him did not take it too well. True? damnifIknow John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 23:00:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8B30LSi032258; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8B30Ixt032243; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020910225942.009f8eb0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:59:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 9/10/02, TG wrote: >anybody have an opinion as to the best tire choice of the >following bunch?..... > >-bridgestone potenza re92 >-pirelli p7000 supersport >-goodyear eagle rs-a For what cage? What are your criteria? If they are pure performance (a guess, given your two wheel ride), for a real performance vehicle (i.e., < 2500 lbs),I see no Yoks, Kumhos, Hoosiers, Goodriches, or even Pirelli 9000s. If you really mean to limit the choice to those three: - the Pirellis if you prioritize wet weather performance, - the RE92's for the dry, - and the Goodies for longevity. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 23:00:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8B30dSi032281; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8B30cLZ032275; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020910230006.009fbbc0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I have to say that I love, and highly recommend TiVo integrated with a >DirecTV receiver. I picked up a Sony / TiVo combo that has blown my >mind. I have it recording the few shows we watch routinely (Law and Order, >Many HGTV DIY shows, Simpsons, plus all of the HBO series) plus anything >with the keyword Motorcycle in the name. Besides standard Speedvision >off-hour races from overseas, I am getting odd reality shows that have >motorcycle themes, movies about motorcycles, Bike Week and more. The >really cool part is that I watch them when I want, while it is recording >some other show at the same time. I haven't connected the dual tuner cable >yet, but when I do I get recordings of one channel while watching LiveTV on >another (or a recording of something else). I went though a list of the >next month of movies showing on my subscribed channels, and picked out a >few at 2 and 3am to watch later. If I like them enough, I can save them >off to videotape. TiVo is worth every penny when integrated into the >DirecTV programming guide. Not sure how good it is with cable systems or >as a separate unit. Of course the other features - pausing live TV, >rewinding up to 30 minutes, skipping commercials .... they all rock as well. Of course, ReplayTV with DirectTV is even better, 'cuz you don't hit Tivo's bullshit "Lifetime" subscription fee, which is good only for the lifetime of the Tivo unit, not the owner. In any event, both are Linux or SCO derivatives which are eminently hackable to provide even greater storage and even swappable hard drives to avoid the quality loss in transferring to videotape. The best buy of all is used ReplayTV units purchased on eBay. Regards, Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 23:00:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8B30oSi032317; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8B30nt7032312; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020910223927.009f1370@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:59:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 In-Reply-To: <200209102300.g8AN01mX030575@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 9/10/02, TG wrote: >anybody have an opinion as to the best tire choice of the >following bunch?..... > >-bridgestone potenza re92 >-pirelli p7000 supersport >-goodyear eagle rs-a For what cage? What are your criteria? If they are pure performance (a guess, given your two wheel ride), for a real performance vehicle (i.e., < 2500 lbs),I see no Yoks, Kumhos, Hoosiers, Goodriches, or even Pirelli 9000s. If you really mean to limit the choice to those three: - the Pirellis if you prioritize wet weather performance, - the RE92's for the dry, - and the Goodies for longevity. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 23:00:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8B30uSi032349; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8B30ujM032344; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020910224853.009f5900@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 In-Reply-To: <200209102300.g8AN01mX030575@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I have to say that I love, and highly recommend TiVo integrated with a >DirecTV receiver. I picked up a Sony / TiVo combo that has blown my >mind. I have it recording the few shows we watch routinely (Law and Order, >Many HGTV DIY shows, Simpsons, plus all of the HBO series) plus anything >with the keyword Motorcycle in the name. Besides standard Speedvision >off-hour races from overseas, I am getting odd reality shows that have >motorcycle themes, movies about motorcycles, Bike Week and more. The >really cool part is that I watch them when I want, while it is recording >some other show at the same time. I haven't connected the dual tuner cable >yet, but when I do I get recordings of one channel while watching LiveTV on >another (or a recording of something else). I went though a list of the >next month of movies showing on my subscribed channels, and picked out a >few at 2 and 3am to watch later. If I like them enough, I can save them >off to videotape. TiVo is worth every penny when integrated into the >DirecTV programming guide. Not sure how good it is with cable systems or >as a separate unit. Of course the other features - pausing live TV, >rewinding up to 30 minutes, skipping commercials .... they all rock as well. Of course, ReplayTV with DirectTV is even better, 'cuz you don't hit Tivo's bullshit "Lifetime" subscription fee, which is good only for the lifetime of the Tivo unit, not the owner. In any event, both are Linux or SCO derivatives which are eminently hackable to provide even greater storage and even swappable hard drives to avoid the quality loss in transferring to videotape. The best buy of all is used ReplayTV units purchased on eBay. Regards, Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 10 23:07:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8B37SSi000552; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:07:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8B37Scd000541; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:07:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020910225924.02bae9a0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:01:43 -0400 To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Proper lock placement In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640913A@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:20 PM 9/6/02 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >I do have a cover for the bike, and today I recieved my 5 foot long >"Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit" lock. I wanted to know what the best >way of using this chain is, aside from chaining it to something >unmovable. I know that with bicycles, you should always chain the frame, >not the wheels, since wheels are easy to take off. Does the same hold >true for motorcycles? > >How do you guys chain your bike? Check out: http://www.lockitt.com/advise.htm I don't know where you live, so I don't know if you can install one of these, but take a look at: http://www.lockitt.com/lockdown.htm Lockitt.com has both a wealth of great security products, and a wealth of information. Bob Meyer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 00:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8B4JjSi001016; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:19:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8B4Ji08001005; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:19:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dccycles" Subject: Sugarloaf Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides in MD To: Patti Rodgers , "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX the "no motorcycles" sign is still there (green text on a little white sign).... but i have never seen or had to deal with enforcement of that "rule." I second or third for fourth that rule too. I have gone there, asked the guy if I could use the facilities. He gave me directions to ride to them and used the "no motorcycles" sign as a point of reference in his directions for me to ride to the facilities. Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 07:34:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BBYTSi003512; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:34:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BBYSim003502; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:34:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Exhaust Repairs Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:32:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209110732094H.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit While I'm searching the 'net and groups, I thought I'd post the question here as well. Rita's bike, the Yamaha 250 Exciter, has a rusted out exhaust mainly on a 2" wide 6" long section on the bottom of the pipe. I ordered a replacement from CPS in Woodbridge but it's on back order. I'm going to hunt the 'net to look for ideas. Other suggestions are a bike junk yard like the one over by NVCC in Woodbridge. Any other suggestions? Are there replacements I can use from other years/bikes? Can it be repaired instead of replaced and where could I get it done? Currently looks aren't that important. If I thought it'd pass inspection, I'd use a couple of hose clamps and put a piece of metal over the hole. Thanks, Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 07:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BBkSSi003690; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:46:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BBkSJb003682; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:46:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Exhaust Repairs Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:44:18 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0209110732094H.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0209110732094H.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209110744184I.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit An old message on usenet: "...Chucked the boat anchor muffler and bolted on (actually used hose clamps) a super-trapp (a la the dirt-bike kind) exhaust which ran about $25 for the canister and core. Bigger main jet and geared it wayyyyyy taller and I was set..." --Jenner Carl On Wednesday 11 September 2002 07:32, Carl Schelin wrote: > While I'm searching the 'net and groups, I thought I'd post the question > here as well. > > Rita's bike, the Yamaha 250 Exciter, has a rusted out exhaust mainly on a > 2" wide 6" long section on the bottom of the pipe. > > I ordered a replacement from CPS in Woodbridge but it's on back order. > > I'm going to hunt the 'net to look for ideas. Other suggestions are a bike > junk yard like the one over by NVCC in Woodbridge. > > Any other suggestions? Are there replacements I can use from other > years/bikes? Can it be repaired instead of replaced and where could I get > it done? Currently looks aren't that important. If I thought it'd pass > inspection, I'd use a couple of hose clamps and put a piece of metal over > the hole. > > Thanks, > > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 08:01:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BC1USi003994; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:01:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BC1U4L003984; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:01:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200209111201.g8BC1Qv06398@kiri.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: kam3997@XXXXXX Subject: forward: New bike maintenance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <6396.1031745686.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:01:26 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX Forwarding message from non-subscriber (posting attempt was rejected by software). Reply directly back to original sender, as they're not on the dc-cycles list. -harry ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New bike maintenance Hi everyone.... An acquantince got me onto your web-site and I was wondering if anyone can give me maintenance lessons on my 2002 Yahama VSC650. Specifically, oil changes and other general maintenance I can do myself. And, I bought a 3/4 windshield I want to install, but am having a bit of trouble with that as well! Karen ------- End of Forwarded Message From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 08:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BC4pSi004140; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:04:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BC4pZk004134; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:04:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'William J. Huson'" , "'Patti Rodgers'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Chrome Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:04:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a company in Paducah KY called Brown's Custom Chrome...from what I understand they are HUGE. HD shops or custom shops (Car or Bike) which may be able to help. gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 08:10:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BCAVSi004336; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:10:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BCAU7R004326; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:10:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911121023.99640.qmail@web40204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Sugarloaf To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > the "no motorcycles" sign is still there (green text on a > little white sign).... but i have never seen or had to deal > with enforcement of that "rule." > > I second or third for fourth that rule too. I have gone there, asked the > guy if I could use the facilities. He gave me directions to ride to them > and used the "no motorcycles" sign as a point of reference in his directions > for me to ride to the facilities. One time when I was there, a woman who worked there stopped me before I went up, but said that because no one was using the private hall (near the exit road) it would be okay for me to ride up. Apparently some of the "life-saving" loud pipes annoyed the owners (Sugarloaf Mountain and the road is privately owned) enough to motivate them to go for the easy fix of putting up a "No Motorcycles" sign. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 09:10:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BDAvSi004758; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:10:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BDAu0L004748; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:10:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926D0@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX '" Subject: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:11:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A few weeks ago when we had the heavy rain, I rode my '94 Seca II into work. On my ride home my bike was stuttering. I filled up w/ gas as I was near empty, it was still stuttering but running smoother, when I got to reserve it was rough again. Next time I filled up I put some gas dryer in w/ it. It was running fine. When I reached reserve on that tank Monday morning on 66 I couldn't get over 55mph (I know I shouldn't). I then sputtered into DC to where I park. I planned to get gas at lunch, but when I tried to move the bike it would stall. After work I tried to drain the carbs. I couldn't open the inner 2 as the screws were stripping (someone mentioned a tool to fix this a week ago). It now would start, but not move. I emptied the outer 2 carbs about 4 times. I added a gallon of gas, hoping that would help. I added 2 bottles about (12 ounces) of gas dryer. It now was having trouble starting. Tuesday night I went back, removed the spark plugs, they were black, cleaned them off w/ sandpaper. I sprayed brake/contact cleaner in the cylinders to make them more combustable. Now I can hear the battery cranking but it seems the bike is having trouble firing. I'm thinking I need to get all the gas out. Is there a tube at the bottom of the tank I could use to do this? Do I need to take the tank off? Is there anyway to empty the two inner carbs? I won't be able to respond until later today, due to a family matter I have to attend to today. I'd really like to get it running tonight though. Otherwise I'll probably have it towed or beg here for a ride to a shop tomorrow. Thanks for any help. Rich '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 09:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BDkSSi005193; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:46:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BDkSaG005185; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:46:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911134625.84845.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:46:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020910223927.009f1370@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 07:00 PM 9/10/02, TG wrote: > > >anybody have an opinion as to the best tire choice of > the > >following bunch?..... > > > >-bridgestone potenza re92 > >-pirelli p7000 supersport > >-goodyear eagle rs-a > > For what cage? What are your criteria? If they are > pure performance (a guess, given your two wheel ride), > for a real performance vehicle (i.e., < 2500 lbs),I see > no Yoks, Kumhos, Hoosiers, Goodriches, or even Pirelli > 9000s. > > If you really mean to limit the choice to those three: > - the Pirellis if you prioritize wet weather performance, > - the RE92's for the dry, > - and the Goodies for longevity. these were the only tires available from tirerack.com which would have fit the wheels i ordered. i read a number of reviews for each tire on the site, and decided against all of 'em. instead, i'll be following dave yates' example and attempting to get a price match at a local tire store. -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 09:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BDmiSi005336; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:48:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BDmhDV005327; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:48:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7F4B02.563272A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:54:10 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Hall CC: "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX '" Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926D0@SERVER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The main fuel line will be attached on the fuel on/off/res valve. Disconnect, hook a temporary tube to it, insert in catch bucket and turn the valve to reserve. Fuel should drain out of the tank. You may want to add gas to rinse the tank, or add pint of methanol which absorbs water to rinse it out. Getting the carbs bowls empty won't be fun, might want to try to run it clean with gas/drygas mix after cleaning the tank and filters (if any). I carry a tank drain tube with me, also known as "Georgia Gas Credit Card" :-) Bill Rich Hall wrote: > A few weeks ago when we had the heavy rain, I rode my '94 Seca II into work. > On my ride home my bike was stuttering. I filled up w/ gas as I was near > empty, it was still stuttering but running smoother, when I got to reserve > it was rough again. Next time I filled up I put some gas dryer in w/ it. > It was running fine. When I reached reserve on that tank Monday morning on > 66 I couldn't get over 55mph (I know I shouldn't). I then sputtered into DC > to where I park. I planned to get gas at lunch, but when I tried to move > the bike it would stall. > After work I tried to drain the carbs. I couldn't open the inner 2 as the > screws were stripping (someone mentioned a tool to fix this a week ago). It > now would start, but not move. > I emptied the outer 2 carbs about 4 times. I added a gallon of gas, hoping > that would help. I added 2 bottles about (12 ounces) of gas dryer. It now > was having trouble starting. > Tuesday night I went back, removed the spark plugs, they were black, cleaned > them off w/ sandpaper. I sprayed brake/contact cleaner in the cylinders to > make them more combustable. Now I can hear the battery cranking but it > seems the bike is having trouble firing. > I'm thinking I need to get all the gas out. Is there a tube at the bottom > of the tank I could use to do this? Do I need to take the tank off? Is > there anyway to empty the two inner carbs? > I won't be able to respond until later today, due to a family matter I have > to attend to today. I'd really like to get it running tonight though. > Otherwise I'll probably have it towed or beg here for a ride to a shop > tomorrow. > Thanks for any help. > Rich > '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 09:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BDp7Si005606; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:51:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BDp7Xm005599; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:51:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7F4B94.E3654020@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:56:36 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 References: <20020911134625.84845.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > these were the only tires available from tirerack.com which > would have fit the wheels i ordered. i read a number of > reviews for each tire on the site, and decided against all > of 'em. instead, i'll be following dave yates' example and > attempting to get a price match at a local tire store. > > -- > tg > Your car didn't come with wheels? Lawsy, am I in for a shock when I go car shopping again. (newest truck 1990) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 09:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BDsPSi005755; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:54:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BDsOI0005744; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:54:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:54:11 EDT Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/11/2002 9:11:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > I added 2 bottles about (12 ounces) of gas dryer. It now > was having trouble starting. You can only put just so much of that stuff in the gas, too much and it will not burn anymore. Frankly I am not so sure you have water in your gas, I mean How did it get there? There is no way rain should be able to get into your tank or carbs (Unless you are riding an old Limey with ticklers.) You do need to drain your tank and carbs, if for not other reason then to remove all the shituff you put into it. There are several ways to drain the tank: do you have a prime position on your fuel valve (do you have a fuel valve?) if so pull a fuel hose and simply put the valve in prime and let it drain (Into a safe container) if you have no prime you will need to put a vacuum pump on the vacuum line to get it to drain. Or you could siphon it out, this has the advantage of allowing you to "vacuum" crap out of the bottom of the tank. I have a vacuum "Pump" design that you could build for yourself to pump the fuel out. I have said this before "whenever you have a problem that involves not running correctly the first thing to do is replace your plugs. If that is not the problem it is no big deal you now have a spare set of plugs you will eventually use anyhow. If it is the problem you have just cured it easily and cheaply." I am inclined to believe your problem was electrical, a bad/wet plug wire or a water filled connection, both more likely then rain getting into your fuel. Now you need to drain the tank and carbs to get the stuff you added out of them, and you may still have the original problem. The bike will be dry by the time you drain the tank and try to start it, if it starts I would not assume you have cured the problem. Take it out and hose it down while running to see if the problem returns. If not YAY! If it does you have saved yourself another roadside breakdown and will have time to find the real culprit. Good luck. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 09:56:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BDuLSi005922; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:56:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BDuLfU005913; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:56:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911135618.91327.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:56:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 To: "William J. Huson" Cc: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D7F4B94.E3654020@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > these were the only tires available from tirerack.com > which > > would have fit the wheels i ordered. i read a number > of > > reviews for each tire on the site, and decided against > all > > of 'em. instead, i'll be following dave yates' example > and > > attempting to get a price match at a local tire store. > > > > -- > > tg > > > > Your car didn't come with wheels? Lawsy, am I in for a > shock when I go > car shopping again. (newest truck 1990) my "fancy truck" came with wheels. my wife took it from me. :( her car is a convertible saab... and it will continue to look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very pretty in it) until some aftermarket wheels and low profile tires are installed. even then there may be questions about my sexuality. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 09:59:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BDxFSi006070; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:59:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BDxEUe006061; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:59:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:03:24 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike In-Reply-To: <3D7F4B02.563272A@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Personally, I'd get a bottle of carb cleaner or starting fluid and spray it in the intake and try to start it. Unless you rode the thing under water, it shouldn't have THAT much water in it. If it doesn't start with the carb cleaner/starting fluid, its not fuel. Maybe its ignition related, have you checked for a spark? Dan On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > The main fuel line will be attached on the fuel on/off/res valve. Disconnect, > hook a temporary tube to it, insert in catch bucket and turn the valve to > reserve. Fuel should drain out of the tank. You may want to add gas to rinse > the tank, or add pint of methanol which absorbs water to rinse it out. Getting > the carbs bowls empty won't be fun, might want to try to run it clean with > gas/drygas mix after cleaning the tank and filters (if any). > > I carry a tank drain tube with me, also known as "Georgia Gas Credit Card" :-) > > Bill > > > Rich Hall wrote: > > > A few weeks ago when we had the heavy rain, I rode my '94 Seca II into work. > > On my ride home my bike was stuttering. I filled up w/ gas as I was near > > empty, it was still stuttering but running smoother, when I got to reserve > > it was rough again. Next time I filled up I put some gas dryer in w/ it. > > It was running fine. When I reached reserve on that tank Monday morning on > > 66 I couldn't get over 55mph (I know I shouldn't). I then sputtered into DC > > to where I park. I planned to get gas at lunch, but when I tried to move > > the bike it would stall. > > After work I tried to drain the carbs. I couldn't open the inner 2 as the > > screws were stripping (someone mentioned a tool to fix this a week ago). It > > now would start, but not move. > > I emptied the outer 2 carbs about 4 times. I added a gallon of gas, hoping > > that would help. I added 2 bottles about (12 ounces) of gas dryer. It now > > was having trouble starting. > > Tuesday night I went back, removed the spark plugs, they were black, cleaned > > them off w/ sandpaper. I sprayed brake/contact cleaner in the cylinders to > > make them more combustable. Now I can hear the battery cranking but it > > seems the bike is having trouble firing. > > I'm thinking I need to get all the gas out. Is there a tube at the bottom > > of the tank I could use to do this? Do I need to take the tank off? Is > > there anyway to empty the two inner carbs? > > I won't be able to respond until later today, due to a family matter I have > > to attend to today. I'd really like to get it running tonight though. > > Otherwise I'll probably have it towed or beg here for a ride to a shop > > tomorrow. > > Thanks for any help. > > Rich > > '94 Seca II > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BE1VSi006245; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:01:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BE1VfL006234; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:01:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <44.25c6a55f.2ab0a6b3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:01:23 EDT Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 I also remember a problem on some Kawasaki bikes that could be a problem for others. The spark plug wells are really deep and the caps do not seal them against water. they do put small drain holes at the bottom of the wells but those can get plugged up (there are bugs that like to build mud nests in holes just that size.) The plug well fills with water and grounds out the plug caps. Pull your plug caps and see if they are wet, if they are look for the drain holes and see if one or more are plugged. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:03:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BE3aSi006388; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:03:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BE3av6006382; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:03:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <198.ce8272d.2ab0a72b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:03:23 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/11/2002 9:55:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > even then there may be questions about my > sexuality. ;) > Always drive with several bimbos in the car with you. At least untill your wife gives you back your truck. Or kills you. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:06:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BE6fSi006547; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:06:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BE6fOv006537; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:06:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911140633.57970.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <198.ce8272d.2ab0a72b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > even then there may be questions about my > sexuality. ;) Tom, I'm not sure the *car* is the reason for the questions. Changing to bling-bling rims and fancy rubber won't change that much.... Brian Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:08:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BE8CSi006583; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:08:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BE8CN6006574; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:08:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:08:07 EDT Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/11/2002 9:59:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dan@XXXXXX writes: > Personally, I'd get a bottle of carb cleaner [or starting fluid} and spray > it in the intake and try to start it. NOOOOOOooooooo! Carb cleaner can destroy the rubber components in your carbs, especially your diaphragms, you probably do not want to know how much it would cost to replace them. Carb cleaner sprayed into the intakes cannot reach anything that needs to be cleaned anyhow. Just say no! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BEBfSi006856; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:11:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BEBfmt006849; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:11:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911141138.93606.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020911140633.57970.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Ray wrote: > > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > even then there may be questions about my > > sexuality. ;) > > Tom, I'm not sure the *car* is the reason for the > questions. Changing to bling-bling rims and fancy > rubber won't change that much.... > > Brian Ray if you're making a pass at me, i'd prefer you just come right out and tell me that you like my ass.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BEH2Si007009; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:17:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BEH2pK007003; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:17:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 11 Sep 2002 14:17:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020911141700.24866.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Gimer's Saab story X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >my "fancy truck" came with wheels. my wife took it from >me. :( [Dave] It's clear who wears the pants in the Gimer household... >her car is a convertible saab... and it will continue to >look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very pretty >in it) until some aftermarket wheels and low profile tires >are installed. [Dave] Then, you will look like 'Mid-life-crisis' man or maybe we can take to calling you 'Pimper'... even then there may be questions about my >sexuality. ;) [Dave] Dude. After this, there will be NO question... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:21:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BELWSi007166; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:21:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BELWKP007158; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:21:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:25:34 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > NOOOOOOooooooo! > > Carb cleaner can destroy the rubber components in your carbs, especially your > diaphragms, you probably do not want to know how much it would cost to > replace them. Haven't had a problem with it yet. An how would it get into the diaphrams if you sprayed it into the intake? > Carb cleaner sprayed into the intakes cannot reach anything that needs to be > cleaned anyhow. Who said anything about cleaning? Its just good for getting something started when it can't get fuel. I use it to start my Jet Skis after being winterized so I don't have to crank them over for minutes on a weak battery. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:22:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BEMaSi007200; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:22:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BEMZ83007192; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:22:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911142233.99071.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 To: Tom Gimer , "William J. Huson" Cc: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020911135618.91327.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, It can't possibly get worse than the ribbing I got when I purchased a Mazda Miata. The only way I was able to quell peoples' suspicions once I did that was to put a big honkin' roll bar on it and propose marriage to Sally. Even now there may be a few doubters, and I'm not even very pretty! :^) Chris --- Tom Gimer wrote: > her car is a convertible saab... and it will > continue to > look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very > pretty > in it) until some aftermarket wheels and low profile > tires > are installed. even then there may be questions > about my > sexuality. ;) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:26:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BEQvSi007473; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:26:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BEQvtQ007465; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:26:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 11 Sep 2002 14:26:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020911142656.27320.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Chris commented: >Tom, >It can't possibly get worse than the ribbing I got >when I purchased a Mazda Miata. [Dave] Nah. The Miata has redeeming qualities ( it goes like stink with but tires, a v8 & a roll bar). The only way I was >able to quell peoples' suspicions once I did that was >to put a big honkin' roll bar on it and propose >marriage to Sally. [Dave] Nowhere close to the certainty of Gimer's double life... It's a SAAB ! Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:29:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BET8Si007625; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:29:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BET8kh007617; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:29:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020911102708.00a03730@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:28:44 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , "William J. Huson" From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020911135618.91327.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D7F4B94.E3654020@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:56 AM 9/11/02, Tom Gimer wrote: >her car is a convertible saab... and it will continue to >look a bit on the feminine side.... even then there may >be questions about my sexuality. ;) Just be careful while bending over to stick the key in the floor. Chuck could be hiding anywhere. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BETNSi007661; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:29:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BETNxM007654; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:29:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911142921.99347.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer's Saab story To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020911141700.24866.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >my "fancy truck" came with wheels. my wife took it from > >me. :( > > [Dave] It's clear who wears the pants in the Gimer > household... i do have some tighty whiteys that my wife sometime refers to as "monkey pants".... it would be a crime to allow my wife's butt to be covered up with pants. as for losing the truck to my baby.... whatever! i have a 996 in the garage. 8-D > >her car is a convertible saab... and it will continue to > >look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very > pretty > >in it) until some aftermarket wheels and low profile > tires > >are installed. > > [Dave] Then, you will look like 'Mid-life-crisis' man or > maybe we can take to calling you 'Pimper'... i'm actually only 31 years old. mid-life crisis will likely involve a v12 mercedes convertible. "pimper" does have a nice right to it, though.... so feel free to use it > even then there may be questions about my > >sexuality. ;) > > [Dave] Dude. After this, there will be NO question... so be it. hmmm.... [dreaming of a hot italian sausage] -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:38:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BEctSi007997; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:38:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BEctsp007991; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:38:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Rich Hall Cc: "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX '" Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:39:22 -0400 Message-ID: <70lunuo7s3kuji8imdk5ahfao9b5iu6vk4@4ax.com> References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926D0@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926D0@SERVER1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8BEcrSi007979 I have to agree with the thought that you put too much gunk into your gas. Anywho, when I had water in my gas tank, I drained the tank fileld it with new gas, put some juice on the battery ( a heavy duty charger) and kept cranking it intil the carbs pumped in new fresh gas. at first it would catch and idle.. give it a little bit of gas it might run sputtering.. give it too much it woudl shut off.. but after time, the old gas ran out of the carbs, the RPM would go higher and higher, until finally it would run correctly. You had to be patient with it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:40:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BEeESi008042; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:40:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BEeDxr008036; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:40:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000a01c259a1$fb373060$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:45:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Contrary what I've been told here on the list, DC DMV is apparently now insisting that bikes *do* carry these bletcherous "all in one" stickers, not the month/year plate stickers. Apparently I'm supposed to go to the inspection place and get what is described as a "pouch" for the all-in-one. Are other folks hearing this too? Or is this the latest example of the old runaround, right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing DC gov't charlie foxtrot. Paul in DC < Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BElwSi008429; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:47:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BElwkd008421; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:47:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020911104650.009f0c00@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:47:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Cage Tires Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed BTW, I know it wasn't asked for, but to many local SCCA racers and autocrossers, the best DC area tire shop -- by far -- is Radial Tire, in Silver Spring. Very knowledgeable people, great service, accurate dynamic balancing, excellent prices. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 10:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BExOSi008675; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:59:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BExOwP008665; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:59:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7F5B96.9E4130E9@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:04:54 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga References: <000a01c259a1$fb373060$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And this was a surprise? From a government with a plethora of administrative FUs? With a mayor so lame he couldn't even do a 2K signature petition correctly. And he's running against a field that is great fodder for Saturday Night Live. Before DC can extricate themselves from an ongoing disaster, they'll have to clean house and demand that new hires are literate. But then, what would we do for amusement? Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > Contrary what I've been told here on the list, DC DMV is apparently now > insisting that bikes *do* carry these bletcherous "all in one" stickers, not > the month/year plate stickers. Apparently I'm supposed to go to the > inspection place and get what is described as a "pouch" for the all-in-one. > Are other folks hearing this too? Or is this the latest example of the old > runaround, right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing DC gov't > charlie foxtrot. > > Paul in DC < somewhere. Maybe I'll put it on the swingarm so it'll get all dirty and > nasty. Or maybe my bro in Va. won't mind having a couple of bikes come > "move in" with him. Hmmmm.... Just say no? > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 11:03:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BF3PSi008923; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:03:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BF3PS1008913; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:03:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009a01c259a5$382dd980$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020910225924.02bae9a0@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Proper lock placement Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:06:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 The VFR has a nifty whole in the frame for a U-lock, although it's kind of small for a chain. Most bikes I've seen chained are chained to the wheel. Sure, they could remove a wheel, but unless it's a "lift and load" theft, you've greatly increased the thief's PITA factor, thereby encouraging them to move on other targets. Course they could just cut the chain or cable or defeat the device on the ground the chain is attached to. There's a guy in my 'hood who chains his bike to a tree. Perhaps the best deterent in my book is big and gray and keeps the rain and dirt off too. A cover, which you already have. Out of sight, out of mind. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Meyer" To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Proper lock placement > At 02:20 PM 9/6/02 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > >I do have a cover for the bike, and today I recieved my 5 foot long > >"Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit" lock. I wanted to know what the best > >way of using this chain is, aside from chaining it to something > >unmovable. I know that with bicycles, you should always chain the frame, > >not the wheels, since wheels are easy to take off. Does the same hold > >true for motorcycles? > > > >How do you guys chain your bike? > > > Check out: > > http://www.lockitt.com/advise.htm > > I don't know where you live, so I don't know if you can install one of > these, but take a look at: > > http://www.lockitt.com/lockdown.htm > > Lockitt.com has both a wealth of great security products, and a wealth of > information. > > Bob Meyer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 11:21:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BFLGSi009185; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:21:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BFLDnf009175; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:21:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911152109.63510.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Exhaust Repairs To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0209110732094H.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Get the size of the pipe and order one from JCWhitney. They've got replacement generic pipes that will probably work for cheap. What experience I have here is limited to a sample size of smaller than 5, but in general it seems that the smaller lengths cost less and make more noise. Leon. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > While I'm searching the 'net and groups, I thought > I'd post the question here > as well. > > Rita's bike, the Yamaha 250 Exciter, has a rusted > out exhaust mainly on a 2" > wide 6" long section on the bottom of the pipe. > > I ordered a replacement from CPS in Woodbridge but > it's on back order. > > I'm going to hunt the 'net to look for ideas. Other > suggestions are a bike > junk yard like the one over by NVCC in Woodbridge. > > Any other suggestions? Are there replacements I can > use from other > years/bikes? Can it be repaired instead of replaced > and where could I get it > done? Currently looks aren't that important. If I > thought it'd pass > inspection, I'd use a couple of hose clamps and put > a piece of metal over the > hole. > > Thanks, > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, > Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for > phone and address > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 11:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BFgxSi009733; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:42:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BFgwMV009725; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:42:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Exhaust Repairs Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:40:46 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020911152109.63510.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020911152109.63510.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209111140464Q.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll look into that, thanks. I also sent an e-mail over to another exhaust company. The problem is that it looks like more than just a straight pipe with an exhaust. There's a chrome looking box just behind the engine that looks like it's attached to the exhaust. I bought the service manual ($60 for about 80 pages!) but it's not clear as to what that is. Carl On Wednesday 11 September 2002 11:21, Leon Begeman wrote: > Get the size of the pipe and order one from JCWhitney. > They've got replacement generic pipes that will > probably work for cheap. What experience I have here > is limited to a sample size of smaller than 5, but in > general it seems that the smaller lengths cost less > and make more noise. > > Leon. > -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 12:35:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BGZwSi010352; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:35:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BGZv2k010342; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:35:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7F705C.14727F28@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:33:32 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: New member intro... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Mah' name is Carl Parker in Northern VA area. Thought I'd drop a quick note to introduce myself and ask a question. I ride a 1982 Honda Magna v45 and have been riding for a little over a year. I got about 5500 miles (I was down and out for a few months) under my belt and loved every hot/cold/rain/sun day of it. I also attended the meeting at Carpool this past Sunday and met Jen and Jason. Looked like a nice turn out and enjoyed seeing all the sport bikes. I think I had the oldest bike there by 10 years. Anywho, ya'll have fun and ride safe. Pax, Carl Parker (not to be confused with the Carl "The Sage" Custer) P.S. What is that rattling sound that Ducatis make when they start up? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 12:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BGdTSi010389; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:39:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BGdSKZ010384; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:39:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7F712F.275AE4D4@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:37:03 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Route to Richmond from DC?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know any good routes from DC yo Richmond? As little slab as possible preferred. Thanks, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 12:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BGmjSi010687; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:48:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BGmjtC010674; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:48:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Carl Parker , DCCycles Subject: Re: New member intro... Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:46:14 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3D7F705C.14727F28@carlparker.com> In-Reply-To: <3D7F705C.14727F28@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209111246144S.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 11 September 2002 12:33, Carl Parker wrote: > Pax, > Carl Parker (not to be confused with the Carl "The Sage" Custer) > Hey, let's not forget "Evil Overlord Carl" also in NOVA. Where are you located? Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 12:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BGmjSi010690; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:48:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BGmj5c010680; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:48:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 11 Sep 2002 16:48:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020911164844.6789.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New member intro... X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) >Hey Gang, >Mah' name is Carl Parker in Northern VA area. [Dave] Nope. No way. NO MORE CARLS ! NONE ! somebody quick come up with another name to call this latest newbie ! Thought I'd drop a >quick note to introduce myself and ask a question. >I ride a 1982 Honda Magna v45 and have been riding for a little over a >year. I got about 5500 miles (I was down and out for a few months) [Dave] That was my 1st model bike ... I liked it & so did the wife... >Carl Parker (not to be confused with the Carl "The Sage" Custer) [Dave] Welcome to the list. Don't worry about confusion, we won't be calling you Carl... ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:03:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BH3uSi010941; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:03:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BH3uU1010933; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:03:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911170353.96171.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New member intro... To: Carl Parker , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3D7F705C.14727F28@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carl Parker wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Mah' name is Carl Parker in Northern VA area. Thought > I'd drop a > quick note to introduce myself and ask a question. > > I ride a 1982 Honda Magna v45 and have been riding for a > little over a > year. I got about 5500 miles (I was down and out for a > few months) > under my belt and loved every hot/cold/rain/sun day of > it. > > I also attended the meeting at Carpool this past Sunday > and met Jen > and Jason. Looked like a nice turn out and enjoyed > seeing all the > sport bikes. I think I had the oldest bike there by 10 > years. > > Anywho, ya'll have fun and ride safe. > > Pax, > Carl Parker (not to be confused with the Carl "The Sage" > Custer) > > P.S. > What is that rattling sound that Ducatis make when they > start up? that's the dry clutch. carl, you sound really cute. call me. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BH7vSi011100; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:07:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BH7ve3011094; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:07:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.224.173.2] From: "Sanath S" To: carl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New member intro... Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:06:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2002 17:06:51.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EEBEE90:01C259B5] Welcome to the list. >P.S. >What is that rattling sound that Ducatis make when they start up? Its the dry clutch. Some people have vented clutch covers just because they love the sound so much *shrug*... Sanath _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BHDoSi011297; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:13:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BHDnda011287; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:13:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BB70@XXXXXX> References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BB70@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:13:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: tools Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Carl told me: >Erick expressed "(hoping to finally ride soon after drilling out old, >rusting, frozen brake bleed valve from 74' CB750. Being able to stop seems >like a good thing...)" > >Sniffing around Sears-Monkey-Mall, I saw a 6 point 8mm combination wrench. >It was beneath their usual 12 point selection. >Just the thing for brake bleeding. *sigh* yeah - I suppose I should get a new set after 20 years :) Thanks for reminding me about Trak having sales... I'll have to check that out tonight. Bits of old valve are stuck in the brake block threads - I'm working on it. I'm looking forward to owning a new bike next year, expenses willing. Wrenching is one thing, *always* wrenching is another... > >Carl in Bethesda Not a Carl, Waiting to ride, frustrated Erick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:16:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BHGtSi011597; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:16:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BHGtit011584; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:16:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911131428.01c99c80@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:16:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:08 AM 9/11/2002 -0400, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 9/11/2002 9:59:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dan@XXXXXX >writes: > > > Personally, I'd get a bottle of carb cleaner [or starting fluid} and spray > > it in the intake and try to start it. > >NOOOOOOooooooo! > >Carb cleaner can destroy the rubber components in your carbs, especially your >diaphragms, you probably do not want to know how much it would cost to >replace them. >Carb cleaner sprayed into the intakes cannot reach anything that needs to be >cleaned anyhow. >Just say no! > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX on another note, I'd suggest you check your fuel filter. If the bike would start, then die/lug under acceleration, it sounds to me like the filter could be clogged just enough to not deliver enough fuel. You mentioned that the bike was run when the tank was nearly empty. It's possible you had crud at the bottom of the tank that got sucked into the filter. The gas dryer could of just loosed up even more sludge and now the filter is so clogged it can't get enough fuel to the carbs. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BHH4Si011624; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:17:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BHH4S5011618; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:17:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7F79FF.64175FEE@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:14:39 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: New member intro... References: <20020911170353.96171.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh boy....looks like it going to be one of THOSE lists. ?:^I Carl Carl P.S. Nice to have a few Carl's around. > > > P.S. > > What is that rattling sound that Ducatis make when they > > start up? > > that's the dry clutch. > > carl, you sound really cute. call me. ;) > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! - We Remember > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:23:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BHNXSi011916; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:23:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BHNWd3011908; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:23:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911172330.129.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New member intro... To: Carl Parker Cc: DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3D7F7971.B763F646@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carl Parker wrote: > Oh boy....looks like it going to be one of THOSE lists. > ?:^I i'm sorry if i offended you. i'm new at this stuff. in all seriousness, welcome. i think you'll find plenty of friendly and helpful folks on this list. > > > P.S. > > > What is that rattling sound that Ducatis make when > they > > > start up? > > > > that's the dry clutch. > > > > carl, you sound really cute. call me. ;) > > > > -- > > tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BHgCSi012262; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:42:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BHgBlW012254; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:42:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 In-Reply-To: <20020911135618.91327.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020911103438.S13071-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > her car is a convertible saab... and it will continue to > look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very pretty > in it) until some aftermarket wheels and low profile tires > are installed. even then there may be questions about my > sexuality. ;) We used to have a '98 Saab 900 Turbo. It had some 16" wheels from the factory. I replaced the stock Michelin Pilots with Dunlop SP9000s. Killer tires for the money. Good wet/dry and reasonable life. Replaced the Saab with an Audi S4. Recently replaced the factory Pirellis with Bridgestone S-03s in the factory 225/45 17 size. VERY happy with the tire. Incredible dry, good wet and it will move in the snow (it's AWD). When the tires on my Benzo wear out (Michelin Pilot Sports - crappy tires on this car, IMO), I'll replace them with the S-03s. If you're shopping for 3 season tires, check out the S-03. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BHt8Si012501; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:55:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BHt8Yw012494; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:55:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7F82EA.D0271EDD@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:52:42 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer , DCCycles Subject: Re: New member intro... References: <20020911172330.129.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dude...no offense taken at all. I'm a little bit tougher than that! Coming from my other V4 list one gets a thick skin from tough-love. I was also joking in return but sarcasm is hard to convey over e-mail cuz' most of it is denoted tonally. While I do enjoy and thank people for the warm welcome, I do think this thread has generated enough public posts to warrant it's end so as to not innundate people's busy day with lots of hellos. There's plenty of time to get to know people! My view on sarcasm, even the biting kind: what goes around comes around. :) No worries people, just ride safe. In Anima Pax, Carl Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Carl Parker wrote: > > Oh boy....looks like it going to be one of THOSE lists. > > ?:^I > > i'm sorry if i offended you. i'm new at this stuff. > > in all seriousness, welcome. i think you'll find plenty of > friendly and helpful folks on this list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 13:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BHw2Si012652; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:58:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BHw2Qm012644; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:58:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8a.1e2699b5.2ab0de20@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:57:52 EDT Subject: Re: Gimer's Saab story To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 tg proudly states: her car is a convertible saab... and it will continue to look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very pretty in it) let me just state for the record ---- if tom can look 'pretty' in his feminine car --- then i can be cute on my cute purple motorcycle (which i have recently renamed as my purple monster to calm down that anti-cute m/c flock!) :) jtb grilled cheese on the lunch menu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BI4KSi012942; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:04:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BI4Kca012934; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:04:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911180418.67737.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gimer's Saab story To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8a.1e2699b5.2ab0de20@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii jenn: thanks to the helpful suggestion of an anonymous lister, because of my newfound status, my duc may now be considered and referred to as "cute." another bonus for me, now that i'm gay, is that it is perfectly safe for us to ride together. --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > tg proudly states: > her car is a convertible saab... and it will continue to > look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very pretty > in it) > > let me just state for the record ---- if tom can look > 'pretty' in his > feminine car --- then i can be cute on my cute purple > motorcycle (which i > have recently renamed as my purple monster to calm down > that anti-cute m/c > flock!) > > :) > > jtb > grilled cheese on the lunch menu __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BI8ASi013246; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:08:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BI883h013231; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:08:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 11 Sep 2002 18:08:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20020911180807.1504.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Gimer X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) JTB asserted: >tg proudly states: >her car is a convertible saab... and it will continue to >look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very pretty >in it) >let me just state for the record ---- if tom can look 'pretty' in his >feminine car [Dave] You misunderstood. Tom can look feminine in his pretty car. Pimper's protestations to the contrary, nobody here has yet called him 'pretty'... --- then i can be cute on my cute purple motorcycle (which i >have recently renamed as my purple monster to calm down that anti-cute m/c [Dave] You're compensating. What's wrong with... Grape Ape ? Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BIIuSi013464; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:18:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BIIuHN013456; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:18:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C345@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:16:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So far we have.... Purple Monster. Grape Ape. how about purple haze... c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:20:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BIKNSi013524; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:20:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BIKN9G013518; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:20:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911182014.11927.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... To: Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C345@wash58.acs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii purple haze is the name of linda tanner's cbr how about purple nurple? --- Jason Picton wrote: > So far we have.... > Purple Monster. > Grape Ape. > > how about > purple haze... > > c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... > > jason __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:24:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BIOPSi013798; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:24:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BIOPNr013788; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:24:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaF2qUMEJTACoubh7Wj56zYtbQ4YSJehfDkq1etbzrWVscKRzpEDcbI3hbmq5YmeG4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Gimer's Saab story Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: <003101c259c0$73a9b590$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <8a.1e2699b5.2ab0de20@aol.com> Importance: Normal jtb wrote: > to calm down that anti-cute m/c flock!) I think the term is "herd", not "flock". Unless they ride Moto Guzzi, then it's a "gaggle". Of course, the noisy dry-clutchers (ducs) *are* a "flock". And, although I know and respect tg (and his dry clutch), I can't ever say I've thought of him as pretty. Although there was that one particular rainy night, a bottle of bourbon, a campsite, and a very small tent.... --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:24:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BIOeSi013824; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:24:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BIOeXW013820; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:24:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911142335.01ceec90@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:24:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:16 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: >So far we have.... >Purple Monster. >Grape Ape. >how about >purple haze... >c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... >jason it's a two cylinder right? How about "Two throbbing purple heads" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BIPISi013864; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:25:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BIPImc013858; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:25:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 11 Sep 2002 18:25:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020911182517.7991.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's bike X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) JP prompted: >So far we have.... >Purple Monster. >Grape Ape. >how about >purple haze... >c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... [Dave] Grape Ape is the best, you're just jealous you didn't think of it 1st ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BITdSi014247; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:29:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BITdZL014237; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:29:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbOIU36fajuZRcXkMqmV9cm55N0Op8UgE594QHJJWG4nzfPN7FMI7OC8Z7LaNyw/s8= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:29:36 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c259c1$2f1e72c0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020911182014.11927.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Violent Violet? Muave Monster? Heliotropic Honda? --jon (into alliteration more than rhyming) -----Tom Gimer wrote: purple haze is the name of linda tanner's cbr how about purple nurple? --- Jason Picton wrote: > So far we have.... > Purple Monster. > Grape Ape. > > how about > purple haze... > > c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... > > jason __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:33:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BIXlSi014296; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:33:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BIXl25014291; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:33:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911183345.51085.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020911142233.99071.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It could be worse. It could be a VW Cabriolet. That car instantly removes any traces of masculinity from the driver. Keith --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Tom, > > It can't possibly get worse than the ribbing I got > when I purchased a Mazda Miata. The only way I was > able to quell peoples' suspicions once I did that > was > to put a big honkin' roll bar on it and propose > marriage to Sally. Even now there may be a few > doubters, and I'm not even very pretty! :^) > > Chris > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > her car is a convertible saab... and it will > > continue to > > look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very > > pretty > > in it) until some aftermarket wheels and low > profile > > tires > > are installed. even then there may be questions > > about my > > sexuality. ;) > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! - We Remember > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BIkHSi014848; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:46:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BIkD08014838; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:46:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZawosQInMW5bQPnRdDigW+JxlvvZFHx0+YIl7FcTURbBNeO5G58yWUXBmQ4SYcIUY= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: VW hates straight males (was dc-cycles digest) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:46:09 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c259c3$7f3e0160$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020911183345.51085.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal It's not just the Cabriolet, it's the new Beetle, the old Rabbit convertible, and so on. Even the advertising: remember the goofy commercial where the two guys get the stinky couch? I think Dieter ("touch my monkey") is behind this. --jon -----Keith Lamond noted: It could be worse. It could be a VW Cabriolet. That car instantly removes any traces of masculinity from the driver. Keith --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Tom, > > It can't possibly get worse than the ribbing I got > when I purchased a Mazda Miata. The only way I was > able to quell peoples' suspicions once I did that > was > to put a big honkin' roll bar on it and propose > marriage to Sally. Even now there may be a few > doubters, and I'm not even very pretty! :^) > > Chris > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > her car is a convertible saab... and it will > > continue to > > look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very > > pretty > > in it) until some aftermarket wheels and low > profile > > tires > > are installed. even then there may be questions > > about my > > sexuality. ;) > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! - We Remember > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BInASi014996; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BIn9pX014990; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ00tXVWkkcC0NkcXDk89H9RGj/V+dsftEkeqtM8ivksIK8TMuwlPPW+Iy4Li+wObg= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: VW hates straight males (was dc-cycles digest) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c259c3$e8bc3b20$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal and I forgot to add: http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/volkswagenrant.html -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:46 PM To: DC Cycles (E-mail) Subject: VW hates straight males (was dc-cycles digest) It's not just the Cabriolet, it's the new Beetle, the old Rabbit convertible, and so on. Even the advertising: remember the goofy commercial where the two guys get the stinky couch? I think Dieter ("touch my monkey") is behind this. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 14:49:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BInKSi015028; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BInKqB015022; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911144840.01cf1bf8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/02 In-Reply-To: <20020911183345.51085.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020911142233.99071.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:33 AM 9/11/2002 -0700, Keith Lamond wrote: >It could be worse. It could be a VW Cabriolet. That >car instantly removes any traces of masculinity from >the driver. to really add the pink frillies, it's got to be a Cab with a rag top. -aki >Keith >--- Chris Weaver wrote: > > Tom, > > > > It can't possibly get worse than the ribbing I got > > when I purchased a Mazda Miata. The only way I was > > able to quell peoples' suspicions once I did that > > was > > to put a big honkin' roll bar on it and propose > > marriage to Sally. Even now there may be a few > > doubters, and I'm not even very pretty! :^) > > > > Chris > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > her car is a convertible saab... and it will > > > continue to > > > look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very > > > pretty > > > in it) until some aftermarket wheels and low > > profile > > > tires > > > are installed. even then there may be questions > > > about my > > > sexuality. ;) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! - We Remember > > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Yahoo! - We Remember >9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost >http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJ5FSi015434; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:05:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJ5Evb015426; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:05:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <188.dc9975d.2ab0ede1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:05:05 EDT Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/11/2002 10:21:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dan@XXXXXX writes: John (I) said > > Carb cleaner can destroy the rubber components in your carbs, especially > your > > diaphragms, > how would it get into the diaphrams > if you sprayed it into the intake? If you look at the bottom of your carburetor slides you will see holes (usually two.) This location puts them inside the venturi at the point of greatest vacuum. It is these ports that transfer vacuum up through the slide over the diaphragm "pulling" the slides up. These are open holes through which air/fuel and anything else in the airflow can enter and contaminate the diaphragms. I said: > > Carb cleaner sprayed into the intakes cannot reach anything that needs to > > be cleaned anyhow. You said: > Who said anything about cleaning? Its just good for getting something > started when it can't get fuel Are we talking carburetor cleaner or starter fluid (Ether) I have and no doubt will again use starter fluid to check for a fuel problem, in that you were correct but carburetor cleaner is far nastier stuff, if it has not eaten your diaphragms yet you have been lucky. I have seen many diaphragms utterly melted by people spraying carburetor cleaner into their intakes. "did you use carb cleaner?" is the first question I ask when I see a holed diaphragm. Up to you. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:09:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJ97Si015547; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:09:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJ97sF015541; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:09:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911190859.79138.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C345@wash58.acs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Barney. 'nough said. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJDpSi015830; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:13:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJDobf015819; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:13:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VW hates straight males (was dc-cycles digest) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:12:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2002 19:12:44.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[34F7E360:01C259C7] The Mercury Capri convertible is my all time "sensitive" guy fav' Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJGBSi016021; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:16:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJGBAo016014; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:16:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911191609.38799.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Gimer's Saab story To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003101c259c0$73a9b590$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > > And, although I know and respect tg (and his dry clutch), > I can't ever say > I've thought of him as pretty. Although there was that > one particular rainy > night, a bottle of bourbon, a campsite, and a very small > tent.... let's not forget the very small orifice! [note to file: avoid evan williams single barrel bourbon] -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJIQSi016164; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:18:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJIQad016156; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:18:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:18:22 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New member intro... Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Further evidence that Gimer is just a cheap hoe. I'm surprised you didn't invite him over for a photo shoot with the tire changer. On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: > carl, you sound really cute. call me. ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:18:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJIqSi016199; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:18:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJIpuk016193; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:18:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:18:43 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New member intro... Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Further evidence that Gimer is just a cheap hoe. I'm surprised you didn't invite him over for a photo shoot with the tire changer. On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: > carl, you sound really cute. call me. ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJL1Si016268; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:21:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJL1ZT016254; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:21:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004f01c259c8$508e27a0$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: , References: <20020911182517.7991.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's bike Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:17:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Wait a minute, besides Mongo, in the Air Force I was known as Grape Ape. hmmmm Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's bike > JP prompted: > >So far we have.... > >Purple Monster. > >Grape Ape. > >how about > >purple haze... > >c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... > > [Dave] Grape Ape is the best, you're just jealous you didn't think of it 1st ;-) > > Dave > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Powered by Wild On Web: > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! > http://www.wildonweb.com > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJL2Si016277; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:21:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJL1vJ016262; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:21:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004e01c259c8$5044c290$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Jason Picton" , References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C345@wash58.acs.org> Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:15:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Somewhere there has to be something about purple people eater. A one headlight, one horn riding purple two seat creature Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Picton" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... > So far we have.... > Purple Monster. > Grape Ape. > > how about > purple haze... > > c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... > > jason > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:27:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJROSi016765; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:27:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJRNLE016755; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:27:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911152633.01c9cc58@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:27:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: New member intro... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:46 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: On Wednesday 11 September 2002 12:33, Carl Parker wrote: > Pax, > Carl Parker (not to be confused with the Carl "The Sage" Custer) > >Hey, let's not forget "Evil Overlord Carl" also in NOVA. >Where are you located? >Evil Overlord Carl -- who should not be confused with Aki "Overlord in Training" Damme -aki (not to be confused with Mike or Tom or Bob) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJT3Si016799; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:29:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJT3Sc016791; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:29:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911152734.01cf6ec8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:28:55 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: New member intro... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:33 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hey Gang, >Mah' name is Carl Parker in Northern VA area. Thought I'd drop a >quick note to introduce myself and ask a question. >I ride a 1982 Honda Magna v45 and have been riding for a little over a >year. I got about 5500 miles (I was down and out for a few months) >under my belt and loved every hot/cold/rain/sun day of it. ah! Welcome (SAB)MAGgot! I had an 85 700 and an 85 V65 Magna, sold both to make room for my 01 Wide Glide. Nice bikes. >I also attended the meeting at Carpool this past Sunday and met Jen >and Jason. Looked like a nice turn out and enjoyed seeing all the >sport bikes. I think I had the oldest bike there by 10 years. yeah, but look at the age of some of those faces...8-P Anywho, ya'll have fun and ride safe. >we can do both? When did this happen? Did I get the memo? >P.S. >What is that rattling sound that Ducatis make when they start up? Never you mind that sound. Deep down inside, they're just wishing they were a harley. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:30:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJULSi017052; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:30:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJULaS017046; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:30:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911152921.01cf6ec8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:30:13 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:08 PM 9/11/2002 +0000, you wrote: JTB asserted: >tg proudly states: >her car is a convertible saab... and it will continue to >look a bit on the feminine side (read: i look very pretty >in it) >let me just state for the record ---- if tom can look 'pretty' in his >feminine car >[Dave] You misunderstood. Tom can look feminine in his pretty car. Pimper's protestations to the contrary, nobody here has yet called him 'pretty'... > --- then i can be cute on my cute purple motorcycle (which i >have recently renamed as my purple monster to calm down that anti-cute m/c >[Dave] You're compensating. What's wrong with... Grape Ape ? >Dave ack! That's what my personalized plates are on my "Deep Amethyst Pearl" Durango! GR8P A8P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:36:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJavSi017215; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:36:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJauA4017205; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:36:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911193654.56317.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: Aki Damme , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911152921.01cf6ec8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > >[Dave] You're compensating. What's wrong with... > Grape Ape ? > > >Dave > > ack! That's what my personalized plates are on my "Deep > Amethyst Pearl" > Durango! > > GR8P A8P you may want to re-think that one in your mind's ear the next time the tags are due to be renewed. -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJdoSi017253; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:39:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJdoXl017245; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:39:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911153906.01c9cc58@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:39:42 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <20020911193654.56317.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911152921.01cf6ec8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:36 PM 9/11/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > >[Dave] You're compensating. What's wrong with... > > Grape Ape ? > > > > >Dave > > > > ack! That's what my personalized plates are on my "Deep > > Amethyst Pearl" > > Durango! > > > > GR8P A8P > >you may want to re-think that one in your mind's ear the >next time the tags are due to be renewed. huh? Why? It's been on the truck since '99. I think people think I'm witty. They're always waving at me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJfWSi017635; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:41:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJfVW6017629; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:41:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911194129.8094.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:41:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: Aki Damme , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911153906.01c9cc58@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii greatp eightp? they're not laughing WITH you, bro. btw, how many fingers were they "waving" with? ;) --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 12:36 PM 9/11/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > > >[Dave] You're compensating. What's wrong with... > > > Grape Ape ? > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > ack! That's what my personalized plates are on my > "Deep > > > Amethyst Pearl" > > > Durango! > > > > > > GR8P A8P > > > >you may want to re-think that one in your mind's ear the > >next time the tags are due to be renewed. > > huh? Why? It's been on the truck since '99. I think > people think > I'm witty. They're always waving at me. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:44:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJiCSi017789; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:44:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJiBnx017779; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:44:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911154252.01cf1bf8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:44:04 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <20020911194129.8094.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911153906.01c9cc58@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:41 PM 9/11/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >greatp eightp? they're not laughing WITH you, bro. > >btw, how many fingers were they "waving" with? ;) every other combination was taken and everyone else had no problem figuring out it was grape ape. But then again, we *do* have a high public school completion ratio in Herndon. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 15:50:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BJohSi018080; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:50:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BJog3Z018070; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:50:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911195040.87339.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: Aki Damme , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911154252.01cf1bf8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 12:41 PM 9/11/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >greatp eightp? they're not laughing WITH you, bro. > > > >btw, how many fingers were they "waving" with? ;) > > every other combination was taken and everyone else > had no problem figuring out it was grape ape. But then > again, we *do* have a high public school completion > ratio in Herndon. ;-) attarently it is 0/8. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 16:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BK0pSi018273; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:00:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BK0pL1018265; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:00:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 11 Sep 2002 20:00:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020911200050.9760.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Aki explained his pl8 - >every other combination was taken [Dave] HOLY JEEBUS ! They're ALL gone ? You mean we can no longer get specialized plates because every conceivable combination has been taken... Yowza. So much for my 'DBL TAP' plates, and 'H8 DC' >and everyone else >had no problem figuring out it was grape ape. But then >again, we *do* have a high public school completion >ratio in Herndon. ;-) [Dave] Lotta sex offenders according to VSP website too... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 16:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BKGwSi018526; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:16:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BKGwXR018518; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:16:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:16:38 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, j_picton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... Message-ID: <6304D0C5.36014BCB.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How bout Grape Knee-high? ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 11 Sep 2002 1:20:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > purple haze is the name of linda tanner's cbr > > how about purple nurple? > > > --- Jason Picton wrote: > > So far we have.... > > Purple Monster. > > Grape Ape. > > > > how about > > purple haze... > > > > c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... > > > > jason > > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! - We Remember > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 16:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BKK4Si018681; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:20:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BKK4J5018673; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:20:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:19:42 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: macda@XXXXXX, j_picton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... Message-ID: <00279FF1.08850987.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh....now that is good. ROTFLMAO Scooter In a message dated Wed, 11 Sep 2002 2:15:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, macda@XXXXXX writes: > > > Somewhere there has to be something about purple people > eater. > > A one headlight, one horn riding purple two seat creature > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Picton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:16 PM > Subject: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... > > > > So far we have.... > > Purple Monster. > > Grape Ape. > > > > how about > > purple haze... > > > > c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... > > > > jason > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 17:03:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BL3uSi019106; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:03:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BL3rxu019091; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:03:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911170213.01d02468@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:03:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Re: In-Reply-To: <20020911200050.9760.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:00 PM 9/11/2002 +0000, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >Aki explained his pl8 - > > >every other combination was taken > >[Dave] HOLY JEEBUS ! They're ALL gone ? You mean we can no longer get >specialized plates because every conceivable combination has been >taken... Yowza. So much for my 'DBL TAP' plates, and 'H8 DC' amazing isn't it? Check out the Va DMV site. You can put in whatever combination you want and reserve it there. My brain aches now. > > > >and everyone else > >had no problem figuring out it was grape ape. But then > >again, we *do* have a high public school completion > >ratio in Herndon. ;-) > >[Dave] Lotta sex offenders according to VSP website too... now *that's* scary..being a parent and all. -aki >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Powered by Wild On Web: >Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! >http://www.wildonweb.com >|Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >|Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 17:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BL7nSi019277; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:07:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BL7nif019271; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:07:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911170512.01cfeec8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:07:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: OT: Interview today! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Well folks, as a lot of you know, I've been hardly working after my company died earlier this year. Today, ironically on 9/11, I had an interview! It looks very promising. It's a Directors position for Computer Associates in Herndon. I guess they were impressed, at least they asked me to come back and meet more people next week. Crossing my fingers and toes...wish me luck. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 17:29:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BLTVSi019552; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:29:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BLTV2O019542; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:29:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020911212928.41056.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <6304D0C5.36014BCB.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's Tracy Horstman's bike. Leon. --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > How bout Grape Knee-high? ;-) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 18:47:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BMlkSi020224; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:47:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BMlNZ8020209; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:47:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D7FC946.9D5B4463@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:52:54 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "S. Russell" CC: Jason Picton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C345@wash58.acs.org> <004e01c259c8$5044c290$9865fea9@Godzilla> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yipes! You recall a song from 1956? Or was it `55 - `57? Dang, you must be an ol' fart too. Bill "S. Russell" wrote: > Somewhere there has to be something about purple people eater. > > A one headlight, one horn riding purple two seat creature > > Scott > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 19:17:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BNHmSi020730; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:17:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BNHmsW020723; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:17:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:17:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... To: Jason Picton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D7FCF12.ED6AE345@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C345@wash58.acs.org> Jason Picton wrote: > > So far we have.... > Purple Monster. > Grape Ape. > > how about > purple haze... > > c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... > > jason Just so y'all know beforehand, my wife's lowered purple Concours - Grape Nehi (get it?) - is taken. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 19:24:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8BNOCSi020893; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:24:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8BNOBZp020886; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:24:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00dd01c259ea$48e63160$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "Jason Picton" , References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C345@wash58.acs.org> <004e01c259c8$5044c290$9865fea9@Godzilla> <3D7FC946.9D5B4463@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:23:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Thanks I think! I am not that old. In December I will be celebrating the 16th anniversary of my 21st birthday. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "S. Russell" Cc: "Jason Picton" ; Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... > Yipes! You recall a song from 1956? Or was it `55 - `57? Dang, you > must be an ol' fart too. > > Bill > > "S. Russell" wrote: > > > Somewhere there has to be something about purple people eater. > > > > A one headlight, one horn riding purple two seat creature > > > > Scott > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 20:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8C09fSi021331; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:09:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8C09aoq021312; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:09:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:09:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga From: Jeff Steele To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Paul: A month or so back, my council member (Adrian Fenty) forwarded me an email from the Director of the DMV saying that motorcycles would still use the small stickers. I suggest sending an email about this issue to your council member. The DMV has two (maybe even more) Liaison Officers to the City Council. I ordered a personalized license plate for my bike back in May. It was supposed to arrive in 6-8 weeks. When it hadn't showed up after 10 weeks, I tried contacting the DMV by phone and email trying to find out where it was. I was completely ignored (multiple calls and emails over a month). However, when I contacted Adrian Fenty, he forwarded my email to the liaison guy who got in touch with me with the status of the plate within 24 hours. I don't think my plate had even been ordered from the supplier until the liaison officer looked into it. At any rate, it is supposed to be here in two weeks. I bet the liaison officer will have better luck getting a straight answer to the sticker question than a mere citizen will. Jeff Steele '99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger > Contrary what I've been told here on the list, DC DMV is apparently now > insisting that bikes *do* carry these bletcherous "all in one" > stickers, not > the month/year plate stickers. Apparently I'm supposed to go to the > inspection place and get what is described as a "pouch" for the > all-in-one. > Are other folks hearing this too? Or is this the latest example of > the old > runaround, right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing DC gov't > charlie foxtrot. > > Paul in DC < somewhere. Maybe I'll put it on the swingarm so it'll get all dirty > and > nasty. Or maybe my bro in Va. won't mind having a couple of bikes come > "move in" with him. Hmmmm.... Just say no? > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 21:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8C1GkSi021787; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:16:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8C1GhrH021768; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:16:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:16:34 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: oil change gone bad Message-ID: <5DAFEBF3.1DAF3261.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i was changing my oil this afternoon. it was a bitch to get the drain plug off. after draining all the oil, i went on to replace the drain plug. i tightened the plug with my hand for the first few turns and started to tighten the drain plug with the wrench. but for some reason the darn thing wouldn't tighten, it kept turning. i take drain bolt off and i see all this metal around the drain bolt. i guess i stripped the drain hole. there aren't any cracks in the oil pan. thank goodness for a new crush washer. i was wondering how do i fix my problem and what are my options? would you use a helicoil? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 11 22:05:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8C25QSi022132; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:05:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8C25Pc1022124; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:05:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Interview today! Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:05:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c25a00$f8b7f360$2b84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911170512.01cfeec8@pop.east.cox.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Aki, showing signs of desperation, bragged - Well folks, as a lot of you know, I've been hardly working after my company died earlier this year. Today, ironically on 9/11, I had an interview! It looks very promising. It's a Directors position for Computer Associates in Herndon. I guess they were impressed, at least they asked me to come back and meet more people next week. [Dave] If I wished you good luck, and it were to come true, you would NOT get the position. I have NEVER met a happy CA former employee, and I know over a dozen. CA is one of the, if not the slimiest, dirtiest, underhanded, employee abusive companies in existence, you would literally do your family better working a 3rd world coal mine. That said, I've used, & supported some of their products (on mainframes). Only 1 or 2 sucked, the rest were top notch. If you land the job, understand, it's only temporary... Good luck if you want it... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 06:17:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CAHPSi024791; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:17:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CAHLhc024772; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:17:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Interview today! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:15:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911170512.01cfeec8@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911170512.01cfeec8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209120615094V.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 11 September 2002 17:07, Aki Damme wrote: > Well folks, as a lot of you know, I've been hardly working after my company > died earlier this year. Today, ironically on 9/11, I had an interview! > > It looks very promising. It's a Directors position for Computer Associates > in Herndon. I guess they were impressed, at least they asked me to come > back and meet more people next week. > > Crossing my fingers and toes...wish me luck. > Good luck. When I looked at Matthew Patton's resume, I noted CA at the top. You might want to touch base. It'd be interesting to have MP leaving and you coming in :-) > -aki Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 06:51:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CApJSi025068; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:51:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CApJ7s025063; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:51:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200209121102.g8CB2lR37458@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:51:15 -0400 From: "Docs@Shore" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal Reply-To: "Docs@Shore" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <86239297453.20020912065115@shore.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... Resent-from: "Docs@Shore" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wednesday, September 11, 2002, 2:16:26 PM, Jason wrote: JP> So far we have.... JP> Purple Monster. JP> Grape Ape. JP> how about JP> purple haze... JP> c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... Plum Crazy ;-) Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- State Officer for Virginia Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 07:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CBgdSi025324; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:42:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CBgI27025305; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:42:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912073634.01e1a1a0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:42:11 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Interview today! In-Reply-To: <000501c25a00$f8b7f360$2b84c0cf@nih.gov> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020911170512.01cfeec8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:05 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Aki, showing signs of desperation, bragged - > >Well folks, as a lot of you know, I've been hardly working after my >company >died earlier this year. Today, ironically on 9/11, I had an interview! > >It looks very promising. It's a Directors position for Computer >Associates in >Herndon. I guess they were impressed, at least they asked me to come >back and meet more people next week. > >[Dave] If I wished you good luck, and it were to come true, you would >NOT get the position. I have NEVER met a happy CA former employee, and >I know over a dozen. CA is one of the, if not the slimiest, dirtiest, >underhanded, employee abusive companies in existence, you would >literally do your family better working a 3rd world coal mine. That >said, I've used, & supported some of their products (on mainframes). >Only 1 or 2 sucked, the rest were top notch. If you land the job, >understand, it's only temporary... interesting....then again, speaking to *former* employees is rarely a good source for an objective opinion. ;-) I know several employees that work at CA and they seem to like the company. Maybe it has to do with the department they work for. I certainly don't want anything to do with sales since that is *really* high pressure and it just doesn't fit my personality. This position is fairly new, and deals directly with existing clients, a CRM so to speak however, I'm a level removed as the CRM's would report to me. That is, if I get hired. Needless to say, it certainly doesn't have to be a career decision and I'm continuing to look at other opportunities as well. Whatever jells first will be what I'll go for and if it doesn't work out, I'll continue to look. But at least I'll have a paycheck coming in and looking for a job in THAT situation is *much* more preferred than my current. -aki >Good luck if you want it... > > > >Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 08:00:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CC0oSi025444; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:00:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CC0T4V025425; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:00:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912075521.01e2ca08@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:00:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: oil change gone bad In-Reply-To: <5DAFEBF3.1DAF3261.001912B6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:16 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: >i was changing my oil this afternoon. it was a bitch to get the drain plug >off. after draining all the oil, i went on to replace the drain plug. i >tightened the plug with my hand for the first few turns and started to >tighten the drain plug with the wrench. but for some reason the darn thing >wouldn't tighten, it kept turning. i take drain bolt off and i see all >this metal around the drain bolt. i guess i stripped the drain hole. there >aren't any cracks in the oil pan. thank goodness for a new crush washer. i >was wondering how do i fix my problem and what are my options? would you >use a helicoil? sounds like the drain plug was originally cross threaded. I don't remember what bike you said you had. New? Used? A lot of auto parts stores stock self tapping oil drain plugs for cars. The difference is minor (at least for Harleys they aren't). Find one that is slightly larger than the existing plug and buy it. Take it home and follow the directions. Basically, screw it in a quarter inch or so and back it out, then repeat until it has recut new threads. I usually use teflon tape around the threads before reinserting the drain plug for good measure. Pretty straight forward. I wouldn't use a helicoil since this method is much more straight forward and less messy. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 08:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CCAqSi025533; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:10:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CCAeaU025514; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:10:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912080854.01e582f0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:10:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:09 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, Jeff Steele wrote: >Paul: > >A month or so back, my council member (Adrian Fenty) forwarded me an email >from the Director of the DMV saying that motorcycles would still use the >small stickers. I suggest sending an email about this issue to your >council member. The DMV has two (maybe even more) Liaison Officers to the >City Council. I ordered a personalized license plate for my bike back in >May. It was supposed to arrive in 6-8 weeks. When it hadn't showed up >after 10 weeks, I tried contacting the DMV by phone and email trying to >find out where it was. I was completely ignored (multiple calls and emails >over a month). However, when I contacted Adrian Fenty, he forwarded my >email to the liaison guy who got in touch with me with the status of the >plate within 24 hours. I don't think my plate had even been ordered from >the supplier until the liaison officer looked into it. At any rate, it is >supposed to be here in two weeks. I bet the liaison officer will have >better luck getting a straight answer to the sticker question than a mere >citizen will. > >Jeff Steele >'99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger ye gad Jeff, how long is it *supposed* to take for a personalized plate in DC? Typically in Va. a week, two at the most. -aki (who's now seriously looking at OTHER plates for his Durango after being severely ridiculed on this list) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 08:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CCE5Si025563; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:14:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CCE5bs025558; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:14:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D808655.6E27CA1B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:19:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912080854.01e582f0@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > At 08:09 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, Jeff Steele wrote: > >Paul: > > > >A month or so back, my council member (Adrian Fenty) forwarded me an email > >from the Director of the DMV saying that motorcycles would still use the > >small stickers. I suggest sending an email about this issue to your > >council member. The DMV has two (maybe even more) Liaison Officers to the > >City Council. I ordered a personalized license plate for my bike back in > >May. It was supposed to arrive in 6-8 weeks. When it hadn't showed up > >after 10 weeks, I tried contacting the DMV by phone and email trying to > >find out where it was. I was completely ignored (multiple calls and emails > >over a month). However, when I contacted Adrian Fenty, he forwarded my > >email to the liaison guy who got in touch with me with the status of the > >plate within 24 hours. I don't think my plate had even been ordered from > >the supplier until the liaison officer looked into it. At any rate, it is > >supposed to be here in two weeks. I bet the liaison officer will have > >better luck getting a straight answer to the sticker question than a mere > >citizen will. > > > >Jeff Steele > >'99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger > > ye gad Jeff, how long is it *supposed* to take for a personalized plate in > DC? Typically in Va. a week, two at the most. > > -aki (who's now seriously looking at OTHER plates for his Durango after > being severely ridiculed on this list) Or you could take the easy, cheap way out. Keep the extra $10 and hang a generic tag on your cage/scoot. I won't even kick in for "decorator" tags. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 08:17:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CCHBSi025613; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:17:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CCHAug025604; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:17:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D80870E.FC6B20AC@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:22:39 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: oil change gone bad References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912075521.01e2ca08@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:16 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > >i was changing my oil this afternoon. it was a bitch to get the drain plug > >off. after draining all the oil, i went on to replace the drain plug. i > >tightened the plug with my hand for the first few turns and started to > >tighten the drain plug with the wrench. but for some reason the darn thing > >wouldn't tighten, it kept turning. i take drain bolt off and i see all > >this metal around the drain bolt. i guess i stripped the drain hole. there > >aren't any cracks in the oil pan. thank goodness for a new crush washer. i > >was wondering how do i fix my problem and what are my options? would you > >use a helicoil? > > sounds like the drain plug was originally cross threaded. I don't remember > what bike you said you had. New? Used? > > A lot of auto parts stores stock self tapping oil drain plugs for > cars. The difference is minor (at least for Harleys they aren't). > Find one that is slightly larger than the existing plug and buy it. Take it > home and follow the directions. Basically, screw > it in a quarter inch or so and back it out, then repeat until it has recut > new threads. I usually use teflon tape around the threads > before reinserting the drain plug for good measure. > > Pretty straight forward. I wouldn't use a helicoil since this method is > much more straight forward and less messy. > > cheers, > -aki aki is right, a self-tapper would be easier than a helicoil. But being a masochist, I'd go for the helicoil. Another quick & dirty fix is a plug. Hey, no joke, one of those marine style screw down to expand plugs works great! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 08:17:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CCHnSi025651; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:17:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CCHnbE025645; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:17:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912081708.01e7d280@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:17:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:19 AM 9/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Or you could take the easy, cheap way out. Keep the extra $10 and hang a >generic tag on your cage/scoot. I won't even kick in for "decorator" tags. >Bill bah...I gotta have personalized tags...have had one on my cages/scoots as far back as I can remember. It's kinda like me marking my ride without all the messy cleanup. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 08:18:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CCIISi025689; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:18:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CCIIhv025683; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:18:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.2cbcf897.2ab1dfff@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:18:07 EDT Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 jtb> Purple Monster. dave> Grape Ape. JP> purple haze... (already taken -- linda tanner) aki>"Two throbbing purple heads" (i cant believe i actually included this!!) scott>purple people eater. mp>Barney jon>Violent Violet? jon>Muave Monster? jon>Heliotropic Honda? tg>purple nurple scooter>Grape Knee-high (already taken -- tracy horstman) doc>Plum Crazy so this is what happens when im at work during the day? :) am i the one who gets to pick or do you have more suggestions? "pickmepickmepickme" (quoting donkey from shrek right there) ill come back home at lunch --- if you have more suggestions, post 'em then ill pick! i already have one in mind tho! (sorry aki --its not yours!) cya jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 08:22:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CCMSSi025757; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:22:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CCMRin025748; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:22:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912082132.01e7c820@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:22:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: oil change gone bad In-Reply-To: <3D80870E.FC6B20AC@patriot.net> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912075521.01e2ca08@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:22 AM 9/12/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >aki is right, a self-tapper would be easier than a helicoil. But being a >masochist, I'd go for the helicoil. Another quick & dirty fix is a >plug. Hey, >no joke, one of those marine style screw down to expand plugs works great! > >Bill yeah! those rubber plugs with the little snap down handle thingy that you find in the drain holes on row boats! Or, one of those rubber wine cork bottle plugs would work too. Just don't catch the release handle on anything. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 08:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CCNZSi025794; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:23:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CCNZqv025786; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:23:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912082250.00b68078@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:23:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... In-Reply-To: <35.2cbcf897.2ab1dfff@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:18 AM 9/12/2002 -0400, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: >jtb> Purple Monster. >dave> Grape Ape. >JP> purple haze... (already taken -- linda tanner) >aki>"Two throbbing purple heads" (i cant believe i actually included this!!) >scott>purple people eater. >mp>Barney >jon>Violent Violet? >jon>Muave Monster? >jon>Heliotropic Honda? >tg>purple nurple >scooter>Grape Knee-high (already taken -- tracy horstman) >doc>Plum Crazy > >so this is what happens when im at work during the day? :) am i the one who >gets to pick or do you have more suggestions? "pickmepickmepickme" (quoting >donkey from shrek right there) > >ill come back home at lunch --- if you have more suggestions, post 'em then >ill pick! i already have one in mind tho! (sorry aki --its not yours!) > >cya >jenn DAMN! And I was so sure you would! 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:20:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CDKPSi026212; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:20:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CDKOQv026199; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:20:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYcVoe61FeNPq08qeAmDam247DdB45ySkvDDaI8hbJro1zZpa6cwNS3r3ZKYbIIIO8= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: the sky is falling ( was RE: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:20:21 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c25a5f$25ccffe0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912080854.01e582f0@pop.east.cox.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal aki wrote: > -aki (who's now seriously looking at OTHER plates for his Durango after > being severely ridiculed on this list) Ahhh, sheesh, aki, if we all quit doing things because of the ridicule we get on this list, the world would be upside down: -chuck would be without tg, tg would be without chuck. They'd both drink themselves to solitary deaths in nearly identical dark, smoky barrooms on the opposite sides of the metro area, never realizing the depth of their interconnection. -jtb would quit trolling for desperate guys (who would all commit suicide when they stopped getting her attention). One of them, who she would have later met at Bike Night, would now never marry her. Neither would have a chance to live happily ever after. -Bill Huson would get a hooligan-ed out nekkid GSXR1000, forsake all that is MSF, and make a "Hooligan Huson" stunt video. It'd sell a gazillion copies, and he'd retire on his own Caribbean island. Where he would perform strange genetic experiments on unsuspecting people and beasts. -the Carls would change their names, all to "Darryl". The'd work for a kindly ex-psychologist turned inn keeper in New Hampshire (or was it Vermont), and perform minor fix-it tasks and provide easy laughs. -I'd quit riding motorcycles and perhaps just stop breathing, too. I'd also learn that no one appreciates these long rambling posts, stop posting, get more work done, and become president of the company. -Patti would be a brunette on the outside, and would be tolerant of 18 yo pissants who think they discovered pink/green hair and invented punk rock. -Horkster would have chain drive *and would like it.* -We'd all agree that the 2nd amendment does allow for the unrestricted ownership of any armament, and we'd agree that a constitutional amendment is the only correct way to restrict that right. Then we'd pass one that we all agree on, and it would be reasonable given the current technology. -Wayne would trade in the Eye Abuser for a Segway, and only drive white cars. -John (penguin) would use carb cleaner on diaphragms (but not CV carb diaphragms) and have 23 kids. All would live in abject poverty. -Sean J. would be a physicist and would discover the origins of the universe, causing every major religion to COMEX JIHADEX, thus beginning the Armageddon as prophesized in some Holy Book or other out there. -Witold would have a 1972 Honda CB350 and, due to overconfidence, would wad it up on 211 while passing an R6 on the inside, taking out a certain individual who would have later become the Second Savior, who now won't Savior us from above mentioned Armageddon. -"Motopsychol" Danny would take Prozac and become Calm, Cool, and Collected Danny. The only thing he'd ride would be a porch swing, and only at responsible swing angles. He'll write a book demonstrating how humanity can live in harmony, putting an eventual end to WWIII (see above)...and saving man- (and womyn-) kind at the last instant. -Matt would not have the pleasure of his butt plug and would have to resort to other modes of stimulation . -We'd all agree that rear brakes are useful in slickery situations and cruisers, but pointless on excellent (racetrack) pavement under hard, near-stoppy situations. So, aki, keep your plates so that all stays right with the universe. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CDPbSi026255; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:25:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CDPanT026249; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:25:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912092331.01ed02d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:25:28 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: the sky is falling ( was RE: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga) In-Reply-To: <002d01c25a5f$25ccffe0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912080854.01e582f0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:20 AM 9/12/2002 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >aki wrote: > > -aki (who's now seriously looking at OTHER plates for his Durango after > > being severely ridiculed on this list) > >Ahhh, sheesh, aki, if we all quit doing things because of the ridicule we >get on this list, the world would be upside down: > -chuck would be without tg, tg would be without chuck. They'd > both drink >themselves to solitary deaths in nearly identical dark, smoky barrooms on >the opposite sides of the metro area, never realizing the depth of their >interconnection. > -jtb would quit trolling for desperate guys (who would all commit > suicide >when they stopped getting her attention). One of them, who she would have >later met at Bike Night, would now never marry her. Neither would have a >chance to live happily ever after. > -Bill Huson would get a hooligan-ed out nekkid GSXR1000, forsake > all that >is MSF, and make a "Hooligan Huson" stunt video. It'd sell a gazillion >copies, and he'd retire on his own Caribbean island. Where he would perform >strange genetic experiments on unsuspecting people and beasts. > -the Carls would change their names, all to "Darryl". The'd work > for a >kindly ex-psychologist turned inn keeper in New Hampshire (or was it >Vermont), and perform minor fix-it tasks and provide easy laughs. > -I'd quit riding motorcycles and perhaps just stop breathing, > too. I'd >also learn that no one appreciates these long rambling posts, stop posting, >get more work done, and become president of the company. > -Patti would be a brunette on the outside, and would be tolerant > of 18 yo >pissants who think they discovered pink/green hair and invented punk rock. > -Horkster would have chain drive *and would like it.* > -We'd all agree that the 2nd amendment does allow for the > unrestricted >ownership of any armament, and we'd agree that a constitutional amendment is >the only correct way to restrict that right. Then we'd pass one that we all >agree on, and it would be reasonable given the current technology. > -Wayne would trade in the Eye Abuser for a Segway, and only drive > white >cars. > -John (penguin) would use carb cleaner on diaphragms (but not CV carb >diaphragms) and have 23 kids. All would live in abject poverty. > -Sean J. would be a physicist and would discover the origins of the >universe, causing every major religion to COMEX JIHADEX, thus beginning the >Armageddon as prophesized in some Holy Book or other out there. > -Witold would have a 1972 Honda CB350 and, due to overconfidence, > would wad >it up on 211 while passing an R6 on the inside, taking out a certain >individual who would have later become the Second Savior, who now won't >Savior us from above mentioned Armageddon. > -"Motopsychol" Danny would take Prozac and become Calm, Cool, and > Collected >Danny. The only thing he'd ride would be a porch swing, and only at >responsible swing angles. He'll write a book demonstrating how humanity can >live in harmony, putting an eventual end to WWIII (see above)...and saving >man- (and womyn-) kind at the last instant. > -Matt would not have the pleasure of his butt plug and would have > to resort >to other modes of stimulation . > -We'd all agree that rear brakes are useful in slickery > situations and >cruisers, but pointless on excellent (racetrack) pavement under hard, >near-stoppy situations. > >So, aki, keep your plates so that all stays right with the universe. > >--jon damn, Jon, you've made it all so clear to me now! Does this mean I should continue to use synthetic oil? The universe is *so* confusing and I feel like such an insignificant speck in the grand scheme of things.... 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:33:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CDXPSi026349; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:33:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CDXOqf026340; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:33:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYOaAmzbysu0hUhWzSrqag0lqXrWYZz3OAZQkZUrVb5dOWlvzQyE9YYVQwU7OphgOk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: the sky is falling ( was RE: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:33:21 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c25a60$f71453e0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912092331.01ed02d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal No, it makes your clutch slip. F- anyone who says different. -----Aki queried: damn, Jon, you've made it all so clear to me now! Does this mean I should continue to use synthetic oil? The universe is *so* confusing and I feel like such an insignificant speck in the grand scheme of things.... 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CDbDSi026412; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:37:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CDbD2S026406; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:37:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c901c25a62$59146980$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Aki Damme" References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912080854.01e582f0@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:42:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" > At 08:09 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, Jeff Steele lamented: > >A month or so back, my council member (Adrian Fenty) forwarded me an email > >from the Director of the DMV saying that motorcycles would still use the > >small stickers. I suggest sending an email about this issue to your > >council member. The DMV has two (maybe even more) Liaison Officers to the > >City Council. I ordered a personalized license plate for my bike back in > >May. It was supposed to arrive in 6-8 weeks. When it hadn't showed up > >after 10 weeks... > > > >Jeff Steele > >'99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger > > > ye gad Jeff, how long is it *supposed* to take for a personalized plate in > DC? Typically in Va. a week, two at the most. > > Yeah, you should see the fees involved for such "service." I think it's $60 at first, then an extra $20 a year. Vanity has a high price. Good news is there's not a lot of competition for your favorite letter/number combos. It's all contracted out now that the Lorton License Plate Academy is closed. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:42:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CDglSi026474; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:42:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CDglMo026467; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:42:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912094150.023737c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:42:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: MC Humor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A friend passed this on to me and I couldn't resist. ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg I'm glad I don't live next door to Laura anymore. She can't go throw a brick through my window to get back at me ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:44:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CDiISi026518; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:44:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CDiIhO026513; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:44:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Michael H. Moore" To: Subject: new to area Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:54:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: MWalkerHound@XXXXXX Hey all! I just moved to MD a few weeks ago, and I don't know what the good routes are. I was wondering if anyone could take me out and show me around on some fun rides. Thanks, Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:52:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CDqhSi026640; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:52:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CDqh7U026635; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:52:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Humor Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:50:31 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912094150.023737c0@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912094150.023737c0@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02091209503155.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 12 September 2002 09:42, Troutman wrote: > A friend passed this on to me and I couldn't resist. > > ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg > > I'm glad I don't live next door to Laura anymore. She can't go throw a > brick through my window to get back at me ;-) > bofh: ftp ftp.troutman.org Connected to www.troutman.org 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection ftp> quit bofh: -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CDuuSi026702; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:56:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CDuuT4026696; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:56:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 12 Sep 2002 13:56:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020912135654.5586.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new to area X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) > Hey all! I just moved to MD a few weeks ago, and I don't know what the >good routes are [Dave] WHERE in MD ? Welcome to the area & list. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 09:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CDwASi026750; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:58:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CDw9PR026741; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:58:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Humor Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:55:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912094150.023737c0@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912094150.023737c0@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02091209555156.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 12 September 2002 09:42, Troutman wrote: > A friend passed this on to me and I couldn't resist. > > ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg > > I'm glad I don't live next door to Laura anymore. She can't go throw a > brick through my window to get back at me ;-) > Cool! And http://www.troutman.org/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg jumps me to http://www.stopanimaltests.com Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 10:04:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CE4WSi026824; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:04:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CE4Wrb026817; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:04:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912100204.0234a878@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:04:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: MC Humor In-Reply-To: <02091209555156.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912094150.023737c0@mail.wheatintl.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020912094150.023737c0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sorry guys. An Italian group got ahold of my VFR PDFs and sucked all of my bandwidth. All they had was my ftp address, so I turned off certain ftp a few weeks ago. Last night this one got hit over 500 times : http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/videos/T2-owLG.mpeg A constant 600Kb stream for 4 hours. Yeesh. The URL should have been : http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg At 09:55 AM 9/12/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >Cool! And http://www.troutman.org/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg jumps me >to http://www.stopanimaltests.com ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 10:14:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CEENSi026917; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CEENFI026908; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Michael H. Moore" To: Subject: RE: new to area Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:24:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020912135654.5586.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: MWalkerHound@XXXXXX I live in Potomac (just a few min from rockville and bethesda) mike -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new to area > Hey all! I just moved to MD a few weeks ago, and I don't know what the >good routes are [Dave] WHERE in MD ? Welcome to the area & list. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 10:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CEGLSi026961; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:16:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CEGLY4026953; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:16:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Humor Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:10 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912094150.023737c0@mail.wheatintl.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020912100204.0234a878@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912100204.0234a878@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02091210141059.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 12 September 2002 10:04, Troutman wrote: > Sorry guys. An Italian group got ahold of my VFR PDFs and sucked all of my > bandwidth. All they had was my ftp address, so I turned off certain ftp a > few weeks ago. > > Last night this one got hit over 500 times : > > http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/videos/T2-owLG.mpeg > > A constant 600Kb stream for 4 hours. Yeesh. > > The URL should have been : > > http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg > Hmm, something wacky then. This goes to the same stopanimaltests site. > At 09:55 AM 9/12/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Cool! And http://www.troutman.org/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg jumps > > me to http://www.stopanimaltests.com > -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 10:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CEOhSi027087; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:24:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CEOMTS027068; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:24:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:24:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MC Humor In-Reply-To: <02091210141059.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Hmm, something wacky then. This goes to the same stopanimaltests site. I've put a copy up at: http://home.uchicago.edu/~fish/images/harley-for-her.jpg I'll delete it in a day or two, though. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 10:35:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CEZaSi027294; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:35:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CEZFfv027167; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:35:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020912143513.43782.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: new to area To: mhmoore@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1. head west to the mountains of west virginia.... perhaps some of the best riding in the country within 2-3 hours from your home. 2. for local stints, try the following montgomery county roads: ijamsville rd (and that whole area); thurston rd; clarksburg rd.; mcarthur blvd. frederick, montgomery and howard county have some decent roads.... looks for large hills/mountains and cross 'em... --- "Michael H. Moore" wrote: > > I live in Potomac (just a few min from rockville and > bethesda) > > mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: new to area > > > > Hey all! I just moved to MD a few weeks ago, and I > don't know what the > >good routes are > > [Dave] WHERE in MD ? Welcome to the area & list. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 10:47:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CElOSi027443; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:47:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CEl4Sd027424; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:47:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:44:11 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: docs@XXXXXX|, docs@XXXXXX ("Docs@Shore"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hmm name JTB's Bike.... Message-ID: <198602FD.493870DA.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK. Since Grape Nehi was already taken, even though I spelled my submission "Knee-high", let's try these: The Grape Escape Grape Crush Purple Power Mighty Morphin Purple Power Ranger Grape Nut Pre-Wine Scooter In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 5:51:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, docs@XXXXXX writes: > > > Wednesday, September 11, 2002, 2:16:26 PM, Jason wrote: > > JP> So far we have.... > JP> Purple Monster. > JP> Grape Ape. > > JP> how about > JP> purple haze... > > JP> c'mon I am sure we can come up with more names......... > > Plum Crazy ;-) > > Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> > -- > State Officer for Virginia > Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 > http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National > http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website > http://www.docsharleypages.com > Doc's Harley Pages From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 10:48:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CEmNSi027481; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:48:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CEm2oN027462; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:48:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 12 Sep 2002 14:48:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020912144801.19402.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: new to area X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Mike asked for ride info - >I live in Potomac (just a few min from rockville and bethesda) >mike [Dave] http://www.dccycles.com/ click on 'ride sheets' ... Harpers Ferry isn't a bad trip... HTH Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 10:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CEvhSi027574; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:57:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CEvNRf027555; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:57:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:57:52 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: jmstrang@XXXXXX|, jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the sky is falling ( was RE: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga) Message-ID: <106580C6.05392238.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Hi. I'm Larry. This is my brother Daryl. This is my other brother Daryl." ;-) And, it was Vermont. :-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 8:20:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > > > > aki wrote: > > -aki (who's now seriously looking at OTHER plates for his Durango after > > being severely ridiculed on this list) > > Ahhh, sheesh, aki, if we all quit doing things because of the ridicule we > get on this list, the world would be upside down: > -chuck would be without tg, tg would be without chuck. They'd both drink > themselves to solitary deaths in nearly identical dark, smoky barrooms on > the opposite sides of the metro area, never realizing the depth of their > interconnection. > -jtb would quit trolling for desperate guys (who would all commit suicide > when they stopped getting her attention). One of them, who she would have > later met at Bike Night, would now never marry her. Neither would have a > chance to live happily ever after. > -Bill Huson would get a hooligan-ed out nekkid GSXR1000, forsake all that > is MSF, and make a "Hooligan Huson" stunt video. It'd sell a gazillion > copies, and he'd retire on his own Caribbean island. Where he would perform > strange genetic experiments on unsuspecting people and beasts. > -the Carls would change their names, all to "Darryl". The'd work for a > kindly ex-psychologist turned inn keeper in New Hampshire (or was it > Vermont), and perform minor fix-it tasks and provide easy laughs. > -I'd quit riding motorcycles and perhaps just stop breathing, too. I'd > also learn that no one appreciates these long rambling posts, stop posting, > get more work done, and become president of the company. > -Patti would be a brunette on the outside, and would be tolerant of 18 yo > pissants who think they discovered pink/green hair and invented punk rock. > -Horkster would have chain drive *and would like it.* > -We'd all agree that the 2nd amendment does allow for the unrestricted > ownership of any armament, and we'd agree that a constitutional amendment is > the only correct way to restrict that right. Then we'd pass one that we all > agree on, and it would be reasonable given the current technology. > -Wayne would trade in the Eye Abuser for a Segway, and only drive white > cars. > -John (penguin) would use carb cleaner on diaphragms (but not CV carb > diaphragms) and have 23 kids. All would live in abject poverty. > -Sean J. would be a physicist and would discover the origins of the > universe, causing every major religion to COMEX JIHADEX, thus beginning the > Armageddon as prophesized in some Holy Book or other out there. > -Witold would have a 1972 Honda CB350 and, due to overconfidence, would wad > it up on 211 while passing an R6 on the inside, taking out a certain > individual who would have later become the Second Savior, who now won't > Savior us from above mentioned Armageddon. > -"Motopsychol" Danny would take Prozac and become Calm, Cool, and Collected > Danny. The only thing he'd ride would be a porch swing, and only at > responsible swing angles. He'll write a book demonstrating how humanity can > live in harmony, putting an eventual end to WWIII (see above)...and saving > man- (and womyn-) kind at the last instant. > -Matt would not have the pleasure of his butt plug and would have to resort > to other modes of stimulation . > -We'd all agree that rear brakes are useful in slickery situations and > cruisers, but pointless on excellent (racetrack) pavement under hard, > near-stoppy situations. > > So, aki, keep your plates so that all stays right with the > universe. > > --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 11:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CF2ESi027635; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:02:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CF2EUl027629; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:02:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:04:06 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Humor Message-ID: <6771D265.4760BCEB.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just because Laura doesn't live next to you anymore doesn't mean she still can't come over and throw a brick through your window. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 9:04:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Sorry guys. An Italian group got ahold of my VFR PDFs and sucked all of my > bandwidth. All they had was my ftp address, so I turned off certain ftp a > few weeks ago. > > Last night this one got hit over 500 times : > > http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/videos/T2-owLG.mpeg > > A constant 600Kb stream for 4 hours. Yeesh. > > The URL should have been : > > http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg > > At 09:55 AM 9/12/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Cool! And > http://www.troutman.org/pub/cool/pics/girlmotocyc99le.jpg jumps me > >to http://www.stopanimaltests.com > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 11:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CFKdSi027795; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:20:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CFKdTW027788; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:20:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10e.172de6bf.2ab20abe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:20:30 EDT Subject: Re: the sky is falling ( was RE: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/12/2002 9:26:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > I feel like such an insignificant speck in the grand scheme > of things.... There is a reason for that. Sorry, I just cannot let an easy one get away. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 11:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CFeDSi027973; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:40:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CFe9bY027957; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:40:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:44:21 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ebay humor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1855723656 Check out the item desc. Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 11:51:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CFpLSi028059; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:51:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CFpL62028051; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:51:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912115021.02392280@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:51:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: ebay humor In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:44 AM 9/12/2002, dan wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1855723656 > >Check out the item desc. For the browser impaired (some can't get to eBay through work proxy) - it is a bike sale with this at the end of a long bike description : ...This bike will wheelie immediately. If you aren't an experienced rider this probably isn't the bike for you. Good Luck and happy bidding Rob....Sorry I had to sell your bike man Laurie....I am running this auction for 7 days so please do me a favor and look at it everyday. I hope when you do you realize if you would have kept your big mouth shut Rob and I would have worked it out and he could have kept his bike. I look forward to the day he calls me and says your a gonner..outta there. It will happen sweetheart. He's a smart good looking guy and as you know from this bike...he likes things perfect. Get a mirror honey....your not even close. Some sweet thing will come along some day and show him how a man should be treated...not ran. When that happens he will have a room at my house. I'll do everything I can to see his kids are the same place Cody is....with DAD. Just like the pets...always shippin them off when you get bored with em. How's the internet for the last word BIIIITCH. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 11:57:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CFvkSi028152; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:57:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CFvkuc028147; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:57:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020912155744.26151.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: ebay humor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912115021.02392280@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii er, no Mike. That's not the humor at all!! if you haven't heard a TLR with D&D your missing out. It sounds like a harley. This is the humor. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 12:09:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CG9pSi028298; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:09:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CG9V5a028273; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:09:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926D6@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:10:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Many thanks to Matthew Patton who took the time to help me get my bike running last night. It was water in the gas tank. There was probably 3/4" on the bottom of a gallom milk jug. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 12:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CGB1Si028351; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:11:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CGAioB028330; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:10:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbUY/SYHCR62tzNQ54cUgE9NB/KOPZ0/ttFS4CqkFK0N6j4PZ/GNTREyw8Ffi1PwWg= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: ebay humor Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:10:41 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c25a76$f187e110$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020912155744.26151.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I thought the whole thing was hilarious...and I know there's at least one mullet involved. -----matthew patton wrote: er, no Mike. That's not the humor at all!! if you haven't heard a TLR with D&D your missing out. It sounds like a harley. This is the humor. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 12:35:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CGZqSi028526; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:35:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CGZqKo028518; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:35:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020912163549.47361.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: RE: ebay humor To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <003d01c25a76$f187e110$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe the guy selling that bike is on the following link somewhere:-) http://www.mulletsgalore.com/ Nick --- Jon Strang wrote: > I thought the whole thing was hilarious...and I know > there's at least one > mullet involved. > > -----matthew patton wrote: > > > er, no Mike. That's not the humor at all!! > > if you haven't heard a TLR with D&D your > missing out. It sounds > like a harley. > > This is the humor. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 13:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CHA3Si028803; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:10:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CHA2eT028789; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:10:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Rich Hall cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926D6@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 3/4"???? Geez Rich, its not a Jet Ski, keep it out of the lake. Speaking of Jet Skis they have water separators before the fuel filter. Maybe you could get one of those for next time. Dan On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > Many thanks to Matthew Patton who took the time to help me get my bike > running last night. > It was water in the gas tank. There was probably 3/4" on the bottom of a > gallom milk jug. > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 13:46:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CHksSi029028; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:46:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CHkYGd029009; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:46:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020912174631.45053.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:46:31 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926D6@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii nothing like wrenching by the side of 14th and G watching the 'night crawlers' going about their business. Had a few in the audience from time to time taking stock of the tools and bits strewn about. I gotta say the Seca-II airbox (or at least this example) was a huge, hunking pain in the ass. Apparently the dealer who did the last service didn't like the struggle either so they just plopped it on top without connecting any of the rubber bits and passed the work off as finished. Explains why the air filter looked brand new despite supposedly being used for 3 months. I don't know what it is with engineers. They should be tortured into using their own stupid designs. The airbox issue would have been so totally trivial even a 2yr old could do it if the bloody screws holding the 2 halves together were on the top instead of underneath where nobthing can get at them. Do we not teach 'logical thought' to engineers in school? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 14:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CI9eSi029187; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:09:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CI9KPW029162; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:09:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:09:00 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ebay humor Message-ID: <3E96AE34.24624E0E.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Did anybody else check out the re-list? All of that has been removed. Ebay not like them using their site for a bitch session? ;-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:51:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 11:44 AM 9/12/2002, dan wrote: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1855723656 > > > >Check out the item desc. > > For the browser impaired (some can't get to eBay through work proxy) - it > is a bike sale with this at the end of a long bike description : > > ...This bike will wheelie immediately. If you aren't an experienced rider > this probably isn't the bike for you. Good Luck and happy bidding > Rob....Sorry I had to sell your bike man Laurie....I am running this > auction for 7 days so please do me a favor and look at it everyday. I hope > when you do you realize if you would have kept your big mouth shut Rob and > I would have worked it out and he could have kept his bike. I look forward > to the day he calls me and says your a gonner..outta there. It will happen > sweetheart. He's a smart good looking guy and as you know from this > bike...he likes things perfect. Get a mirror honey....your not even close. > Some sweet thing will come along some day and show him how a man should be > treated...not ran. When that happens he will have a room at my house. I'll > do everything I can to see his kids are the same place Cody is....with DAD. > Just like the pets...always shippin them off when you get > bored with em. > How's the internet for the last word BIIIITCH. > > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 14:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CIZRSi029371; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:35:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CIZ61E029352; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:35:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01bd01c25a8b$11bce020$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "dan" , References: Subject: Re: ebay humor Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:30:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I like the vehicle description, sounds like a love affair gone bad. But can't tell if he is selling just the paint of the whole bike. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: ebay humor > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1855723656 > > Check out the item desc. > > Dan > > -- > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 14:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CIukSi029517; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:56:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CIuQRJ029498; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:56:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CC9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'carl@XXXXXX'" Subject: New member intro... Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:01:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Carl Parker, Philosopher Cadet, Correctly Posted: "Mah' name is Carl Parker in Northern VA area. Thought I'd drop a quick note to introduce myself and ask a question. I ride a 1982 Honda Magna v45 and have been riding for a little over a year. I got about 5500 miles (I was down and out for a few months) under my belt and loved every hot/cold/rain/sun day of it." And he's already driven (not trailered) it to TWO in Suches. You did do the Dragon? "Pax, Carl Parker (not to be confused with the Carl "The Sage" Custer)" Wha--at, there's a fourth Carl? Evil Overlord Carl, calmly overlooking earlier " . . . in Northern VA area." asked, "Where are you located?" Rocket scientists :^D CPPC offered, "What is that rattling sound that Ducatis make when they start up?" After they purchase the bike they have no money left to oil the clutch. So, the clutches run dry (Tho they pretend it's supposed to be like that). Plus, they sound as if they're only hitting on two cylinders. That leaves the riders a little wacky so, women can steal their pickups and leave 'em driving girlie cages. Go figger. <|%^\ "" Ya mean "godliness" with an i. Yew nevah got thet speal Czecker fixed didja? 8^) " . . . sarcasm is hard to convey over e-mail cuz' most of it is denoted tonally." Wow, you have some musical e-mail? All of mine comes in A-tonally. Cheep gummimint 'puter. >:^> "While I do enjoy and thank people for the warm welcome, I do think this thread has generated enough public posts to warrant it's end so as to not innundate people's busy day with lots of hellos. " Inundate? Not at all. Welcome Carl. On DCCycles, you'll learn the nuances of " . . . unmoderated email discussion list . . . " =8^O But, there's good stuff here too. Olde Weird Carl (in Bethesda) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 15:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CJIoSi029736; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:18:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CJIUnr029717; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:18:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926DF@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: for the old DC Cycles guys Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:19:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian McCoy To: SecaIITalkList@XXXXXX Damn - I miss DC-Cycles... wish there were something even similar down this direction. ===== Cheers, Brian McCoy 86/87 VFR750 F2 - 'Mongrel' 90 YSR 80 - 'Pinky' 95 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 15:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CJRRSi029842; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:27:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CJR7sX029823; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:27:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <022d01c25a92$546d75e0$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "'DCCycles'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CC9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Subject: B & N Night Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:26:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Okay, who is going to Barnes and Noble night tonight? Since I attempted to find people last week and couldn't (except for Purkle people eater) want to know where to look this time. I will be the one on the 84 Nighthawk Black/Blue with the HJC Creviar helmet. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 15:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CJYaSi029918; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:34:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CJYGhk029899; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:34:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:33:17 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: New 600's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8CJYFSi029882 The 03 600's look pretty sweet. Here is a photo of the 03 Honda 600RR with a undertail exhaust http://68.97.34.241:8080/Uploads/600rrtail.jpg The new R6 (old news to most) http://www.motorcycledaily.com/10september02yamaha2003yzfr6.html George Cole From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 15:38:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CJcdSi029994; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:38:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CJcJUe029975; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:38:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: B & N Night Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:37:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962304957FE0@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: B & N Night Thread-Index: AcJak+sYhFVvJt8hTsmv9RnRuZBfig== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8CJcHSi029963 I may come out, I need to get the latest copy of "Bike" anyway. George 02 Red VFR (red helmet) somewhat loud exhaust. >>> S. Russell 09/12/02 03:26PM >>> Okay, who is going to Barnes and Noble night tonight? Sin Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 15:55:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CJtLSi030137; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:55:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CJtL2A030129; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:55:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020912195519.66465.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:55:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: B & N Night To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962304957FE0@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii did you buy pierre's bike? i thought you had an fz1 and an r6. --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > I may come out, I need to get the latest copy of "Bike" > anyway. > > George > 02 Red VFR (red helmet) somewhat loud exhaust. > > > >>> S. Russell 09/12/02 03:26PM >>> > Okay, who is going to Barnes and Noble night tonight? > Sin > > Scott __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 15:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CJvvSi030187; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:57:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CJvuZl030181; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:57:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: for the old DC Cycles guys Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:57:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8CJvtSi030169 Rich Hall wrote: > From: Brian McCoy > To: SecaIITalkList@XXXXXX > > Damn - I miss DC-Cycles... wish there were something > even similar down this direction. > > ===== > Cheers, > > Brian McCoy > 86/87 VFR750 F2 - 'Mongrel' > 90 YSR 80 - 'Pinky' > 95 Seca II Shoot, *I* miss dc-cycles and I'm on the list... :) It's changed quite a bit through the years. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 15:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CJwISi030232; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:58:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CJwI6F030224; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:58:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020912195729.21278.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New member intro... To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'carl@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CC9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > CPPC offered, > "What is that rattling sound that Ducatis make when they > start up?" > After they purchase the bike they have no money left to > oil the clutch. So, > the clutches run dry (Tho they pretend it's supposed to > be like that). > Plus, they sound as if they're only hitting on two > cylinders. That leaves > the riders a little wacky so, women can steal their > pickups and leave 'em > driving girlie cages. > Go figger. <|%^\ as a bonus, when i got to work today and undertook the daily inspection, i noticed that my genetalia had actually shrunk. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 16:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CK01Si030280; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:00:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CK01GC030273; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:00:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: B & N Night Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623049A238F@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: B & N Night Thread-Index: AcJalvWLAqJfU+PgTeKPBGh9t/l6xw== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8CK00Si030252 Nope, traded the FZ1 for the VFR, still have the R6 (now track only) Pierre's bike?....chuckle... George >>> Tom Gimer 09/12/02 03:55PM >>> did you buy pierre's bike? i thought you had an fz1 and an r6. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 16:12:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CKCvSi030420; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:12:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CKCvBB030409; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:12:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CCE@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'carl@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: New member intro... Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:17:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain > as a bonus, when i got to work today and undertook the > daily inspection, i noticed that my genetalia had actually > shrunk. [Custer, Carl] You check the temperature? Was 14 C in my back yard this morning. That'll shrink 'em. or try Piper Pond in Maine: Page 4; ZimBob's septic tank is too small for 40 Maggots so he put Tom's of Maine soap and shampoo on the end of the dock. The naughty bits got microscopic and needed little soap. The "Stephanie" is my 21-year-old, just-passed-the-MSF, wants-a-baby-'Ceptor, young-un. It'll be time to dig out the fuzzies in a month. OW-Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 16:30:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CKUsSi030535; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:30:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CKUr6s030527; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:30:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:30:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Braking (NOT rear braking) Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Newbie question... How do y'all brake when you're approaching a known slow bit? Like, an upcoming traffic light, stopped cars, a turn... stuff like that. Say you're in fifth doing 50, the turn is ten seconds ahead of you, and you want to take it at ~20. I obviously do it the WRONG way... yesterday, I was approaching a cloverleaf, so I pulled in the clutch, downshifted a few times, slowed down, then let go the clutch. Oops -- too low a gear (I think), as the engine surged, the bike wobbled madly, and I had to grab the clutch, regain control, then upshift... and all was well. Hm. Need to work on that. Fish. flashes his brake lights, much good it'll do him if he dumps it anyway From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 16:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CKu4Si030865; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:56:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CKtham030844; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:55:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:55:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) From: Rob Curtis To: Fish Flowers , DC-CYCLES Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 1)Front Brake, 2) clutch, 3) drop one gear, 4) release clutch, 5) repeat from step one until you're slowed. Works for me. Dropping a gear at a time ensures I can accelerate if I need to. It's also easier than trying guesstimate which gear you're supposed to be in when dumping several gears at once. Rob C on 9/12/02 16:30, Fish Flowers at fish@XXXXXX noted: > Newbie question... > > How do y'all brake when you're approaching a known slow bit? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 16:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CKuUSi030901; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:56:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CKuAo6030882; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:56:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 12 Sep 2002 20:56:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020912205610.15671.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Fish fed us: ... >I obviously do it the WRONG way... yesterday, I was approaching a >cloverleaf, so I pulled in the clutch, downshifted a few times, slowed >down, then let go the clutch. Oops -- too low a gear (I think), as the >engine surged, the bike wobbled madly, and I had to grab the clutch, >regain control, then upshift... and all was well. Hm. Need to work on >that. [Dave] Ask and answer yourself this question - Of these parts, which will I mind replacing the least - my brake pads / rotors OR hard parts in my transmission ? If you answer the latter, we will collectively smite thee with braking components... Your brake pads & rotors are 'expendable' wear items, use them as such. That means - use them to stop, not your drive train. Try down shifting a gear at a time to match the rpm's to your speed as you slow. This should prove beneficial to your riding & longevity of you and your bike's drive train... HTH Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 16:56:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CKuqSi030932; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:56:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CKuqGV030923; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:56:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:01:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Harley FL Speed wobbles? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.wral.com/news/1664229/detail.html Wonder if this was another case of the tank slappers on the FL series. I think the frames were updated for the 2k2 models because of the wobbles. I know my 02 FLHR front end can get a little squirly at speeds >85. Anyone else notice they feel a little light up front at speed? I never noticed till I got a sportbike, but man what a diff. Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 17:02:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CL2xSi031001; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:02:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CL2x63030996; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:02:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:02:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) In-Reply-To: <20020912205610.15671.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 12 Sep 2002 sdave@XXXXXX sdanswered: > Ask and answer yourself this question - Of these parts, which will I > mind replacing the least - my brake pads / rotors OR hard parts in my > transmission ? Heh. Just a quick clarification: I was braking the entire time. I just misjudged the proper gear for my new (slower) speed. Thanks for the responses, though. Actually, another question: I was puttering along MD-32 West yesterday afternoon, doing about 55-60, and it was (or felt like it was) really windy... a pretty uncomfortable feeling when a crossdraft smacks you and your bike wants to shimmy across half a lane. Any tips on dealing with this sort of thing? Fish. GS500e "Red Sonja" the shimmyer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 17:18:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CLIbSi031129; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:18:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CLIbZx031121; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:18:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005001c25aa2$ceade5a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:23:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- Fish fished for a response: > How do y'all brake when you're approaching a known slow bit? Like, an > upcoming traffic light, stopped cars, a turn... stuff like that. Say > you're in fifth doing 50, the turn is ten seconds ahead of you, and you > want to take it at ~20. > > I obviously do it the WRONG way... yesterday, I was approaching a > cloverleaf, so I pulled in the clutch, downshifted a few times, slowed > down, then let go the clutch. Oops -- too low a gear (I think), as the > engine surged, the bike wobbled madly, and I had to grab the clutch, > regain control, then upshift... and all was well. Hm. Need to work on > that. Shuddering at the thought of wading in on a brake thread. :) But, wait a minute we're not talking braking here, it's shifting. Next time (for a controlled slowing, setting up for a turn, i.e., not a quick stop) try blipping (rolling on) the throttle as you brake and downshift simultaneously. That means two fingers on the lever (index and middle) and two around the throttle (ring and pinky). As you ease out the clutch goose the throttle so the rear tire doesn't skip. [What you do with the rear brake I'll leave up to you, as long as you're light on the pedal.] Match engine revs to your speed. That's not so much to use the engine to slow the bike, but rather to be in a good gear, in or just below the bike's power band, so when you need to get on the gas again you won't lug, hesitate, sputter, etc., because you're in too high a gear. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 17:26:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CLQcSi031231; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:26:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CLQbrb031222; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:26:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020912141934.Y27272-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > On 12 Sep 2002 sdave@XXXXXX sdanswered: > > > Ask and answer yourself this question - Of these parts, which will I > > mind replacing the least - my brake pads / rotors OR hard parts in my > > transmission ? > > Heh. Just a quick clarification: I was braking the entire time. I just > misjudged the proper gear for my new (slower) speed. As someone else mentioned, just downshift one gear at a time, releasing the clutch between gears. This, along with applying the brake, will help to avoid locking the rear wheel. As a side note, many bikes have back torque limiting clutches which will prevent rear wheel lockup while downshifting. > Thanks for the responses, though. Actually, another question: I was > puttering along MD-32 West yesterday afternoon, doing about 55-60, and it > was (or felt like it was) really windy... a pretty uncomfortable feeling > when a crossdraft smacks you and your bike wants to shimmy across half a > lane. Any tips on dealing with this sort of thing? A firm, yet relaxed, grip on the bars and lean into the wind. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 17:33:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CLXiSi031310; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:33:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CLXibR031303; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:33:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001601c25aa4$04866c50$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Stanford, Bob/Karen" , "Russell, Celenda A." , "Walsh, Kathleen" References: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623049A238F@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> Subject: Jobs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:33:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well I guess the luck rubbed off on me today. In the last couple of days of posts people were talking about interviews. I myself had one this week, and will start the job on Monday. I start as an apprentice mechanic at Cycles USA in Rockville. This will give me a chance to learn more and ride more. Hurray for me. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 17:41:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CLfuSi031380; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:41:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CLftNg031374; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:41:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020912174120.01ed5430@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:41:43 -0400 To: "S. Russell" , "DC Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Jobs Cc: "Stanford, Bob/Karen" , "Russell, Celenda A." , "Walsh, Kathleen" In-Reply-To: <001601c25aa4$04866c50$9865fea9@Godzilla> References: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623049A238F@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:33 PM 9/12/2002 -0400, S. Russell wrote: >Well I guess the luck rubbed off on me today. In the last couple of days of >posts people were talking about interviews. I myself had one this week, and >will start the job on Monday. > >I start as an apprentice mechanic at Cycles USA in Rockville. This will >give me a chance to learn more and ride more. Hurray for me. > >Scott Russell >1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S a big congrats Scott! This *is* good news! -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 17:50:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CLoJSi031466; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:50:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CLoJf8031458; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:50:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 12 Sep 2002 21:50:15 GMT Message-ID: <084d01c25aa8$5bf84cc0$6401a8c0@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Rich Hall" , References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926DF@SERVER1> Subject: Re: for the old DC Cycles guys Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:01:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > > Damn - I miss DC-Cycles... wish there were something > even similar down this direction. > I'm going to have to email him and bust his ass for that one! LOL LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 17:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CLwcSi031533; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:58:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CLwcdW031520; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:58:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dccycles" Subject: two-up GSXR 1000 Wheelie Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 There's a nice pic of me on the track at VIR on Jay's RC30, if you click on the picture you will then notice that I am being passed by a GSXR 1000 two-up!!!! http://www.mad-ducati.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 18:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CM0GSi031576; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:00:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CM0G8a031569; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:00:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:00:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: New 600's To: George Cole Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D810E67.3C9EB34F@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: George Cole wrote: > > The 03 600's look pretty sweet. > > Here is a photo of the 03 Honda 600RR with a undertail exhaust > > http://68.97.34.241:8080/Uploads/600rrtail.jpg Now THAT looks cool! I always thought the recent trend in having one HUGE exhaust can on only one side of a sportbike looked kinda silly, unbalanced, uneven, whacko, if you catch my drift. This looks much cleaner, even though it might be a butt roaster. Damn shame it's a chain drive, though. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 19:12:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CNCdSi032251; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:12:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CNCcOB032243; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:12:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020912230652.2355.qmail@mta532.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Yahoo! Auto Response To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text We will be attending the Texas World Speedway for the WERA National Endurance Series 6-Hour race from Sept 12 - 16. We'll respond as soon as we can. Thanks, TightSqueezeRacing.org -------------------- Original Message: >From dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 23:06:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Track: 0: 100 Return-Path: Received: from 66.93.53.251 (EHLO dirty.meretrix.com) (66.93.53.251) by mta532.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 16:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8CN04Si031921; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:00:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8CN02QM031916; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:00:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:00:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200209122300.g8CN00di031893@dirty.meretrix.com> From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 20:21:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D0L0Si032686; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:21:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D0KxD9032670; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:20:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8130AF.E1BFB59@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:26:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley FL Speed wobbles? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > http://www.wral.com/news/1664229/detail.html > > Wonder if this was another case of the tank slappers on the FL series. I > think the frames were updated for the 2k2 models because of the wobbles. > I know my 02 FLHR front end can get a little squirly at speeds >85. > Anyone else notice they feel a little light up front at speed? I never > noticed till I got a sportbike, but man what a diff. > > Dan The FLH series aren't race bikes. Yes, 85 is about the limit on factory stock FLHs, but he *inherent* wobbles can be tuned out. A) do the alignment check and adjustment to make sure the rear and front wheel track true. Yes, they can be as much as 3/4" out of adjustment. If you don't have a factory manual, I do -- photocopys of that part? B) FLHs ride on air suspension, the equivalent of using Whoopie cushions for shocks. In short, OEM air shocks blow stink. I bagged my air bags and installed your basic Progressive Suspension shocks and swapped out the front fork springs. A rather impressive improvement in overall handling resulted. It still ain't a sportbike, and will never be a sportbike. It wasn't designed to be one. But after messing with mine I feel comfy at ... er .. legal speed :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:03:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D136Si000444; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:03:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D136DM000437; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:03:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913010304.88250.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Jobs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001601c25aa4$04866c50$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I start as an apprentice mechanic at Cycles USA in Rockville. This > will give me a chance to learn more and ride more. Hurray for me. and here I've been trying to convince Manassas Honda, MFI, or Cyclesport (Alex) to do the same thing. "Sorry, too late in the season to bother training you. Come back in Feb" Is it something I said???!?!!???? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:07:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D17JSi000495; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:07:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D17Jc3000486; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:07:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913010717.88640.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020912141934.Y27272-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: ... > to avoid locking the rear wheel. As a side note, many bikes have > back > torque limiting clutches which will prevent rear wheel lockup while > downshifting. Maybe in your little world of super-high performance (and super high priced) bikes they have them. I know some of the fancy Duc's, the Mille family from Aprilia and purhaps the unlimited class sportbikes do but a GS sure as heck doesn't. Nor does any sized Bandit, ZRX, or other vastly more pedestrian motorcycles. I'll bet not a single HD has such a gizmo. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1DwSi000548; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:13:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1DwLS000543; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:13:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913011356.76059.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: re: Harley FL Speed wobbles? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > http://www.wral.com/news/1664229/detail.html Wait a sec. A moto-cop in PURSUIT of a speeding vehicle is overtaken and passed by a semi? Semi turbulance is sometimes horrendous and I can understand it easily upseting a bike with a big-ass fairing on it, especially if fork mounted. Utter crap (worse then pillows) suspensions doesn't help things either. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1EmSi000590; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:14:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1Emw8000586; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:14:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <26.2dab8c56.2ab295fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:14:38 EDT Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/12/2002 4:30:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > I had to grab the clutch, _Never_ grab. Motorcycles do not like to be grabbed. Grabbing is what you do when you panic. Panic bad. Smooooth good. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1FhSi000637; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:15:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1Fgh2000628; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:15:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:15:39 -0700 From: " Jeff Kopchik" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: jkop@XXXXXX Subject: [No Subject] Sender: jkop@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 4.64.223.228 Scott, Congrats on the new job! I take my '92 Nighthawk there for service. Jeff K. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1GkSi000677; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:16:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1Gkse000672; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:16:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) In-Reply-To: <20020913010717.88640.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020912180718.P27272-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, matthew patton wrote: > Maybe in your little world of super-high performance (and super high > priced) bikes they have them. I know some of the fancy Duc's, the Mille > family from Aprilia and purhaps the unlimited class sportbikes do but a > GS sure as heck doesn't. Nor does any sized Bandit, ZRX, or other > vastly more pedestrian motorcycles. I'll bet not a single HD has such a gizmo. I said, "... many bikes have back torque limiting clutches ...". Thanks for clarifying that the less expensive, non sporting models don't have them. My old VF1000F Interceptor had one and my 'Busa has one (which I may be welding together, depending on how bad it is at the dragstrip tomorrow). :-) I don't consider an '84 Interceptor to be in my "... little world of super-high performance (and super high priced) bikes ...". Bought and sold it for $2500 :-) I suppose if you're living on Ramen and counting pennies to gas up your moped, it is super high priced. I hope you find a better job soon. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1JASi000721; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:19:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1JAgg000716; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:19:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:23:17 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley FL Speed wobbles? In-Reply-To: <3D8130AF.E1BFB59@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > The FLH series aren't race bikes. Yes, 85 is about the limit on factory > stock FLHs, but he *inherent* wobbles can be tuned out. I keep telling myself that, but its so fun to ride it like I stole it. Makes all the typical Harley folk scratch their head as someone in full gear blows by them thinkin he's on one of them there crotch rockets. > > A) do the alignment check and adjustment to make sure the rear and front > wheel track true. Yes, they can be as much as 3/4" out of adjustment. If you > don't have a factory manual, I do -- photocopys of that part? > Ordered mine the day I picked the bike up. Its probably a good idea to check the alignment. I rode down to the keys and got to enjoy about 400 miles of fine florida pavement and the FLHR trying to follow every grove. Do the old folks foget to pull up their boat anchors and just drag them on the pavement??? > B) FLHs ride on air suspension, the equivalent of using Whoopie cushions for > shocks. In short, OEM air shocks blow stink. I bagged my air bags and > installed your basic Progressive Suspension shocks and swapped out the front > fork springs. A rather impressive improvement in overall handling resulted. > I think the >02's dumped the airshocks in favor of a regular shocks. Though the rear is still air. > It still ain't a sportbike, and will never be a sportbike. It wasn't > designed to be one. But after messing with mine I feel comfy at ... er .. > legal speed :-) Not trying to make it a sportbike! Thats what the VFR is for. In fact I'm happy with it in the turns, it does quite well compared to my V-star. Just a little squidly at squidly speeds :-D Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:24:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1ORSi000788; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:24:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1OQsj000769; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:24:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:24:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) In-Reply-To: <26.2dab8c56.2ab295fe@aol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > _Never_ grab. > Motorcycles do not like to be grabbed. > Grabbing is what you do when you panic. > Panic bad. > Smooooth good. Me? Panic? You bet. ISTR, though, my MSF instructor tellin' us "Iffin' ya gets inta trouble, just grab that thar clutch." No? Grab clutch bad? I guess I could see that grabbing the clutch in a turn might be... uhh, sub-optimal, but what would the better response be when you've just downshifted way too much? More throttle? Fish. other than not f@#!ing up in the first place, that is From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:30:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1UhSi000837; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:30:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1Ugwr000830; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:30:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:30:29 EDT Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/12/2002 9:08:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > Maybe in your little world of super-high performance (and super high > priced) bikes they have them. A number of Japanese big twins have them, not expensive bikes, just big bore engines with lots of compression. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:38:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1c2Si000913; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:38:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1c2BX000899; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:38:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <189.ddf6d43.2ab29b70@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:37:52 EDT Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/12/2002 9:24:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > my MSF instructor tellin' us "Iffin' ya gets inta trouble, > just grab that thar clutch Bad instructor, no riding for one week #:-) > The term is _squeeze_! As in "Iffin ya gets inta trouble _squeeze_ that thar clutch lever. MSF is _very_ particular about terms, and G-R-A-B is one of the biggest no-no s That is why I responded to the original post, gave me the hebe-jebes. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:47:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1l8Si001167; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:47:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1l8pv001160; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:47:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dccycles" , Subject: vanity tags Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Aki Damme" Subject: Re: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:42:59 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" > At 08:09 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, Jeff Steele lamented: > >A month or so back, my council member (Adrian Fenty) forwarded me an email > >from the Director of the DMV saying that motorcycles would still use the > >small stickers. (snip) > > ye gad Jeff, how long is it *supposed* to take for a personalized plate in > DC? Typically in Va. a week, two at the most. > > Yeah, you should see the fees involved for such "service." I think it's $60 at first, then an extra $20 a year. Vanity has a high price. Good news is there's not a lot of competition for your favorite letter/number combos. It's all contracted out now that the Lorton License Plate Academy is closed. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 My father is a CPA in MD and CO as a second career, he mentioned to me that the IRS gets lists of all vanity plates from each state and that they are more likely to audit those with vanity tags. Lisa '95 VFR MD Plate: kawgrl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1lBSi001205; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:47:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1lBBr001197; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:47:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dccycles" Subject: It's contagious! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:46:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "S. Russell" Subject: Jobs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:33:15 -0400 Well I guess the luck rubbed off on me today. In the last couple of days of posts people were talking about interviews. I myself had one this week, and will start the job on Monday. I start as an apprentice mechanic at Cycles USA in Rockville. This will give me a chance to learn more and ride more. Hurray for me. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S I start a new gig on the 23rd of this month. Unfortunately my gig has nothing to do with motorcycles and I don't think I will even be able to commute much on mine due to the monkey-suit requirement. Lisa Goddard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1p2Si001264; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:51:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1p2Iw001257; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:51:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:51:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: DC plate stickers, the ongoing saga From: Jeff Steele To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <41825BD7-C6BB-11D6-A787-00306541B6AC@steele.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) > ye gad Jeff, how long is it *supposed* to take for a personalized > plate in > DC? Typically in Va. a week, two at the most. > > -aki (who's now seriously looking at OTHER plates for his Durango after > being severely ridiculed on this list) > Delayed response due to reading in digest mode: Officially, it should take 6-8 weeks to get a personalized plate in DC. So far, I have been waiting 16 weeks and will probably have to wait about 2 more at least. The main reason I want a personalized plate is so that I can remember the f'ing number. With all the passwords, pin numbers, and everything else rattling around in my head, I will be glad to have one less obscure string of random letters/numbers to deal with. Jeff Steele '99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 21:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D1p7Si001310; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:51:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D1p7UF001306; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:51:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913015105.84960.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:51:05 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: this "single undertail exhuast" trend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii well, purhaps 3 examples don't make a trend but while I think the stylistic points are difinately a plus, to what extent is this an oblique effort by the factories to make the job of aftermarket exhuast suppliers more difficult? EPA/CARB have for quite some time now been pushing for manufacturers to deliberately make modding a vehicle counterproductive (eg. the bloody thing won't run) or at least cost (money/time) prohibitive. I shudder to think what insurance rates are going to do... Maybe soon MCists will have to carry the same insurance GA pilots have to. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 12 22:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8D26cSi001602; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:06:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8D26bcI001592; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:06:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:06:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 In the same way that you don't want to grab the clutch, you don't (didn't) want to suddenly release it. Easing off the clutch would tell you that you're down a gear too low before the clutch is fully engaged, and you can either feather or upshift from there. Getting your transitions as smooth as possible helps with control all around, and conserves traction to boot. -ph On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > I guess I could see that grabbing the clutch in a turn might be... uhh, > sub-optimal, but what would the better response be when you've just > downshifted way too much? More throttle? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 06:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DAHoSi004278; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:17:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DAHn8L004266; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:17:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: New member intro... Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:15:37 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: "'carl@XXXXXX'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CC9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CC9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209130615375Q.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 12 September 2002 15:01, Custer, Carl wrote: > Carl Parker, Philosopher Cadet, Correctly Posted: > "Mah' name is Carl Parker in Northern VA area. Thought I'd drop a quick > Carl Parker (not to be confused with the Carl "The Sage" Custer)" > Wha--at, there's a fourth Carl? bwahahahah. "The Sage". How about "The geezer" :-) > > Evil Overlord Carl, calmly overlooking earlier " . . . in Northern VA > area." > asked, "Where are you located?" > Rocket scientists :^D Harumph. There are no "rocket scientists" here at Headquarters. I'm a computer geek. I bite the heads off of NT admins. He said "Northern Virginia". I case you didn't know, NOVA is fairly large. Specifically "_where_ in Northern Virginia". If he's in the Woodbridge area, maybe we can comiserate about the strip mining of Dale Blvd. Since he's in Arlington, he won't know about Dale Blvd unless I mention it. > Olde Weird Carl (in Bethesda) Olde is right. He has to be older than dirt :-) Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 08:03:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DC3nSi004817; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:03:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DC3hvO004798; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:03:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <55.2d45385b.2ab32e12@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:03:30 EDT Subject: yesterdays work commute To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 hello everyone. i never have been blessed with the opportunity to share of my morning commute. truthfully, i never thought i would be able to since my total commute is about 2/10 of a mile. (that doesnt include the parking lot at work.) for the most part i walk but for the last week ive had my bike with me so i like to take it to work where there are guards and people i work with rather than just random people where i live. at any rate... i was actually wearing a leather jacket that i had borrowed from a coworker. (most of you know my gear usually consist of street clothes, boots, gloves, and a helmet.) i usually have to let my bike run for a few minutes. i guess i cut it a bit short because as i was turning around in my parking lot i had to give him lots of throttle and lots of clutch to keep from stalling. i go to exit my parking lot on to my first 1/10 of a mile stretch. i waited for traffic to pass (people cut through my apartment development to get access to a light rather than trying to pull out onto a busy street without a light). i pulled out, still giving him lots of throttle and clutch. i wasnt going very fast --- its a development and only 1/10 mile to the stop sign. as i approach the stop sign i see a car behind me. i make my stop. no traffic. i prepare to turn. still giving the whole throttle/clutch thing. during the next 1/10 of a mile stretch approaching a red light. the lady behind me tries to pass me on the left. its a pretty wide section of road; however, i was in the left part of our lane. there were two groups of kids waiting for the bus -- one on each side of the road. i notice her trying to get around me. i turn around and yell 'what are YOU doing??' and then it hit me that she was actually trying to pass me to get to the the red light. so i yelled 'what ARE you doing??' cuz i couldnt believe what she was trying to do. within seconds im at the red light (which stays red for at least 3 minutes). i shut off the bike and get off. i walk back to her and politely put my hand over my heart area and say 'did i do something wrong?' in my most innocent voice. (yet loud enough for her to hear me since she had her window up and her hand up as if she wasnt interested in hearing me.) so i looked around her hand and said 'DID i do something wrong?' she says 'YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DRIVE' *woah* (im thinking 1. im driving in my development, what are you doing here? 2. i was going 10-15 mph in a 1/10 mile section of road, how fast do you want me to go approaching the clear red light?) so i said while pointing at the light 'the light is red, where WERE you going?' she kinda just sneared and tried not to look at me. so i said 'WHERE were you going??' she put up her hand again to not listen to me. (it didnt make me stop talking the first time not sure why she thought it would work again!) so i walked back to the bike and got on. i still had to wait another minute for the light to turn green. i go straight into my work parking lot and she makes her left. to make the story better --- her kid was in the car and she was driving a volvo. wasnt there talk before about volvo drivers? *boggle* i will meet up with her again someday whether im walking or driving the car to work (cuz im lazy). maybe ill ask her if she wants to race or something ;) i waited until this morning to write this so i was all calmed down. thats my story... jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 08:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DCJuSi004893; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:19:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DCJtVv004885; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:19:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913121953.5751.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: B & N Night To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962304957FE0@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Scott, George, It was good to meet you guys lastnight. Finally get to put some faces with the names. There was a pretty large turnout of bikes there. Perhaps next Thursday we can do it again... rgds, Nick --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > I may come out, I need to get the latest copy of > "Bike" anyway. > > George > 02 Red VFR (red helmet) somewhat loud exhaust. > > > >>> S. Russell 09/12/02 03:26PM >>> > Okay, who is going to Barnes and Noble night > tonight? Sin > > Scott > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 08:38:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DCcQSi005091; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:38:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DCcQuR005079; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:38:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 13 Sep 2002 12:38:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020913123823.5668.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: yesterdays work commute X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) JTB lamented here tale of commuting woe: >hello everyone. >i never have been blessed with the opportunity to share of my morning >commute. ... >(most of you know my gear usually consist of street clothes, boots, gloves, >and a helmet.) [Dave] FIX this. get a real motorcycle jacket & pants at the minimum... Check out the Aerostich, minimal interference with office attire, very good protection. Street clothes won't help you in a get off. If you can afford the Purple machine, you can afford good gear... Or, would you rather spend the money on skin grafts ?... ... > i approach the stop sign i see a car behind me. i make my stop. no traffic. >i prepare to turn. still giving the whole throttle/clutch thing. during the >next 1/10 of a mile stretch approaching a red light. the lady behind me >tries to pass me on the left. its a pretty wide section of road; however, i >was in the left part of our lane. there were two groups of kids waiting for >the bus -- one on each side of the road. i notice her trying to get around >me. i turn around and yell 'what are YOU doing??' [Dave] tough to hear you yell through the helmet... so I've heard. and then it hit me that >she was actually trying to pass me to get to the the red light. so i yelled >'what ARE you doing??' cuz i couldnt believe what she was trying to do. >within seconds im at the red light (which stays red for at least 3 minutes). >i shut off the bike and get off. i walk back to her and politely put my hand >over my heart area and say 'did i do something wrong?' in my most innocent >voice. [Dave] Why? did you think that you would somehow change this person's ways? Did you think that you could possibly impart some great life wisdom upon them ? (yet loud enough for her to hear me since she had her window up and >her hand up as if she wasnt interested in hearing me.) so i looked around >her hand and said 'DID i do something wrong?' she says 'YOU NEED TO LEARN >HOW TO DRIVE' *woah* (im thinking 1. im driving in my development, what >are you doing here? 2. i was going 10-15 mph in a 1/10 mile section of >road, how fast do you want me to go approaching the clear red light?) so i >said while pointing at the light 'the light is red, where WERE you going?' >she kinda just sneared and tried not to look at me. so i said 'WHERE were you >going??' she put up her hand again to not listen to me. (it didnt make me >stop talking the first time not sure why she thought it would work again!) >so i walked back to the bike and got on. i still had to wait another minute >for the light to turn green. [Dave] J, it sounds like you're (or were) suffering from T.M.E (too much estrogen). A confrontation with the offender was not in order here. Further, it was unwise and dangerous. This person was in a bigger hurry than you, way bigger. What possible impact would it have been to let the yenta in front of you & roll on your merry way to the work parking lot ? While I don't want to point the finger at you, I am going to do some finger wagging... collectively, here at DCC, we *HATE* left lane turtles, and their ilk. Don't hold up a driver that is intent on passing you, even if you can't see around it. If their insisting on being a blocker for you, let them. These kinds of disciplinary actions can result in physical confrontations, because people tend to act differently behind the wheel / bars (passive aggressive), taking our their frustrations from feelings of powerlessness on those who would 'wrong' them on the road. A lot of traffic cops have passive aggressive behavior patterns. Anyway, my point is, next time, shake your helmet, move right & wave them in front of you. That way, on the off chance that there's a cop up the road, the cop will pay attention to THEM, not you.... i go straight into my work parking lot and she >makes her left. >to make the story better --- her kid was in the car and she was driving a >volvo. [Dave] Hmmph... Usually I see this behavior in Lexii operators... Ride safe. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 09:11:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DDBwSi005290; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:11:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DDBv9O005277; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:11:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: B & N Night Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:11:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623049525BD@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: B & N Night Thread-Index: AcJbJx0tkUxx16OaQm652roMVFVOUQ== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8DDBuSi005260 Hey Nick, Scott. Likewise, and a nice cool night for a ride too. George Cole >>> Nicholas Thompson 09/13/02 08:19AM >>> Scott, George, It was good to meet you guys lastnight. Finally get to put some faces with the names. There was a pretty large turnout of bikes there. Perhaps next Thursday we can do it again... rgds, Nick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 09:21:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DDLXSi005383; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:21:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DDLUlQ005364; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:21:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004a01c25b29$525cdec0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" , References: <20020913123823.5668.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: yesterdays work commute Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:26:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > JTB lamented here tale of commuting woe: > > >hello everyone. > >i never have been blessed with the opportunity to share of my morning > >commute. ... > >(most of you know my gear usually consist of street clothes, boots, gloves, > >and a helmet.) > > [Dave] FIX this. get a real motorcycle jacket & pants at the minimum... Check out the Aerostich, minimal interference with office attire, very good protection. Street clothes won't help you in a get off. If you can afford the Purple machine, you can afford good gear... Or, would you rather spend the money on skin grafts ?... > Not just yes, but hell yes, upgrade the protective gear. I would point out that Aerostich is a "premium" brand, not available in shops, etc., etc., and the price of admission is quite steep, although they do come up on eBay from time to time. Off the rack most of them are sized for the males of the species too. To get a good fit, you'll probably have to have it custom made up in Duluth. There are lots of other options in gear offering comparable protection. Motoport (www.motoport.com) and Joe Rocket are a couple that come to mind. The Joe Rocket stuff has taken a few steps up in quality in the last few years. Check out www.motorcyclegearreviews.com for the range of apparel that's available. I commuted in Joe Rocket jacket and overpants from about a year, then got a used 'Stich, then sold it this Spring on eBay for more than I paid and bought new an Ultra II Motoport jacket and pants combo. Motoport also has the Canyon line, which is lighter weight than the Ultra II. I can get in and out of any of this (JR, 'Stich, Motoport) in less than a minute, with office attire underneath. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 09:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DDWVSi005590; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:32:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DDWUrj005583; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:32:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008201c25b29$ffb2f460$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: , , Cc: "Thompson, Nicholas" References: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623049525BD@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> Subject: Re: B & N Night Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:31:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Was a good night to be out there, good and brisk on the way home. Wish we could get more out there but I am sure they do live far away. Good to meet you all, and look, its another purple motorcycle, but not cute lol Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: B & N Night > Hey Nick, Scott. > > Likewise, and a nice cool night for a ride too. > > George Cole > > >>> Nicholas Thompson 09/13/02 08:19AM >>> > Scott, George, > > It was good to meet you guys lastnight. Finally get > to put some faces with the names. There was a pretty > large turnout of bikes there. Perhaps next Thursday > we can do it again... > > > rgds, > > Nick > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 09:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DDalSi005674; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:36:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DDal8D005666; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:36:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913133644.53991.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:36:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: It's contagious! To: dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Congrats, Lisa (and Scott and Aki)! Hopefully that luck will rub off on me. I'm awaiting word on whether I'll get a contracting gig over at AOL right now. A previous opportunity like this didn't pan out for me, but I have my fingers crossed this time. :^) Chris Weaver --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > From: "S. Russell" > Subject: Jobs > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:33:15 -0400 > > Well I guess the luck rubbed off on me today. In > the last couple of days of > posts people were talking about interviews. I > myself had one this week, and > will start the job on Monday. > > I start as an apprentice mechanic at Cycles USA in > Rockville. This will > give me a chance to learn more and ride more. > Hurray for me. > > Scott Russell > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > > > > I start a new gig on the 23rd of this month. > Unfortunately my gig has > nothing to do with motorcycles and I don't think I > will even be able to > commute much on mine due to the monkey-suit > requirement. > > Lisa Goddard > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 09:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DDj6Si005771; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:45:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DDj5Wx005766; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:45:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:45:02 -0700 From: To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Try this: - Approach corner at high speed with eyes bulging - Downshift (one gear at a time) and blip throttle at the same time - Grab a handful of front brake, enough to fully compress the front forks and bring the rear wheel off the ground - Trail the front brake as late and as deep into the corner as possible as you're tipping it in and leaning it over - After your sphincter muscles have relaxed, roll the throttle back on %^) Chuck On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:30:49 -0500 (CDT) Fish Flowers wrote: Newbie question... How do y'all brake when you're approaching a known slow bit? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 09:59:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DDxNSi005881; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:59:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DDxNju005869; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:59:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CD4@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'carl@XXXXXX'" Subject: The geezer Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:04:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain > > Wha--at, there's a fourth Carl? > bwahahahah. "The Sage". How about "The geezer" :-) [Custer, Carl] Might be truer than we know. Anyone here born before November 1940? > > Rocket scientists :^D > Harumph. There are no "rocket scientists" here at Headquarters. I'm a > computer geek. I bite the heads off of NT admins. [Custer, Carl] Yeah, it was a stretch. > He said "Northern Virginia". I case you didn't know, NOVA is fairly large. > > Specifically "_where_ in Northern Virginia". If he's in the Woodbridge > area, > maybe we can comiserate about the strip mining of Dale Blvd. Since he's in > > Arlington, he won't know about Dale Blvd unless I mention it. [Custer, Carl] Yeah, it was a stretch. (Note to self: Do not poke the bear nor the Evil Overlord. 8^) > > > Olde Weird Carl (in Bethesda) > Olde is right. He has to be older than dirt :-) [Custer, Carl] Slightly younger. But, among the gray beards here, I was the oldest: http://www.martnet.com/~mosborne/NOE50/index.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:02:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DE23Si005944; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DE224N005936; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 13 Sep 2002 14:02:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020913140201.23842.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The geezer X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Codger Carl asked : > Might be truer than we know. > Anyone here born before November 1940? [Dave] Dude. Even my parents aren't that old... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:02:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DE2FSi005977; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DE2F1D005972; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192E09@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles list Subject: RE: yesterdays work commute Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:03:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does this mean Lisa could commute on the bike in her monkey suit w/ that over top? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:27 AM To: dc-cycles list; sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: yesterdays work commute I can get in and out of any of this (JR, 'Stich, Motoport) in less than a minute, with office attire underneath. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:02:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DE2cSi006015; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DE2cj6006010; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:02:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:04:28 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jobs Message-ID: <32CFE46C.1314B3E6.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 8:03:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > > > > I start as an apprentice mechanic at Cycles USA in Rockville. This > > will give me a chance to learn more and ride more. Hurray for me. > > and here I've been trying to convince Manassas Honda, MFI, or > Cyclesport (Alex) to do the same thing. "Sorry, too late in the season > to bother training you. Come back in Feb" Is it something > I said???!?!!???? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com Hey Matt, keep working on CycleSport. They're one mechanic down again. He was killed in an auto accident last month. :-( And Pete is all by himself again. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:05:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DE5KSi006099; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:05:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DE5K23006088; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:05:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913140518.54849.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: New SV650, SV1000, GSXR1000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check it out!!! http://www.moto-station.com/article.php?sid=544 It's in french, but you can always plug the address into babelfish.altavista.com and get a translation. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DE71Si006146; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:07:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DE70sX006133; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:07:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:07:10 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: lisagoddard@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It's contagious! Message-ID: <3BC4CCE9.2577FF1F.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's called, "take in clothes and leave at the office" or "Aerostitch". ;-) Congrats though. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 8:46:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisagoddard@XXXXXX writes: > I start a new gig on the 23rd of this month. Unfortunately my gig has > nothing to do with motorcycles and I don't think I will > even be able to > commute much on mine due to the monkey-suit requirement. > > Lisa Goddard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DEaOSi006365; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:36:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DEa4NG006345; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:36:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002301c25b33$bbce14a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:40:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This morning I was nearly torpedoed by a BMW on 395. I guess he wasn't paying attention to the sudden slow down. Glancing in my mirrors I realized the following car is not going to make it, so I swerved up beside the car in front of me. The BMW stopped in the space where I would have been. A good reason to have your mirrors adjusted to see directly behind you and less off to the sides, which you can survey with a head check. Another dividend-paying lesson of the MSF: check those mirrors when slowing or stopping. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:36:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DEaXSi006401; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:36:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DEaSNZ006382; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:36:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ac.85ed5f1.2ab351e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:36:23 EDT Subject: Re: Braking (NOT rear braking) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/12/2002 9:44:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > you mean like cruisers? yep. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DEhNSi006461; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:43:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DEhMa2006453; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:43:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <30.2cd9b276.2ab35380@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:43:12 EDT Subject: Re: yesterdays work commute To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/13/2002 8:03:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX writes: > however, i > was in the left part of our lane. No, you were in the left part of YOUR lane! Other then that, good for you! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:45:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DEjISi006511; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:45:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DEjI1J006503; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:45:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: yesterdays work commute To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.7 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:45:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 13 Sep 2002 12:38:23 -0000 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > JTB lamented here tale of commuting woe: > > [Dave] J, it sounds like you're (or were) suffering from T.M.E (too much > estrogen). A confrontation with the offender was not in order here. > Further, it was unwise and dangerous. This person was in a bigger hurry > than you, way bigger. What possible impact would it have been to let the > yenta in front of you & roll on your merry way to the work parking lot ? > While I don't want to point the finger at you, I am going to do some > finger wagging... collectively, here at DCC, we *HATE* left lane turtles, > and their ilk. Don't hold up a driver that is intent on passing you, even > if you can't see around it. If their insisting on being a blocker for you, > let them. > It sounds like from jtb's original description of the road that there was *only one lane* for travel in that direction, so she wasn't being a left lane turtle. Sounds like Ms. ovloV was doing a bit of lane sharing of her own and without the permission of jtb. I think she (jtb) was justified in her actions as long as she *fully* understands the risk (and you're right, it's very risky) of such a confrontation. --Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DEllSi006554; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:47:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DElkMW006548; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:47:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 13 Sep 2002 14:47:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020913144745.3610.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) An observant Paul warned - >This morning I was nearly torpedoed by a BMW on 395. I guess he wasn't >paying attention to the sudden slow down. [Dave] glad you're ok. Glancing in my mirrors I realized >the following car is not going to make it, so I swerved up beside the car in >front of me. The BMW stopped in the space where I would have been. A good >reason to have your mirrors adjusted to see directly behind you and less off >to the sides, which you can survey with a head check. >Another dividend-paying lesson of the MSF: check those mirrors when slowing >or stopping. [Dave] The same thing happened to me last year on Kingstowne Blvd. MF was doing at least 60, I did the same thing you did, as the moron came to a 4 wheel lockup stop 3 feet from the rear bumper of the cage in front. We had a heart to heart talk in which he assured me he would not drive in close proximity to me again. And yes, thank you MSF instructors for drilling home lots of very important life saving skills. Dave >Paul in DC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DEt6Si006631; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DEt6n0006624; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Huh... 90-93 VFR, only $77.25! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Great deal on a 90-93 VFR (not sure which year...) http://shop.store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/9093vfr750.html -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 10:57:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DEvjSi006684; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:57:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DEvjoi006676; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:57:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020913105512.01feeeb8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:57:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping In-Reply-To: <20020913144745.3610.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:47 PM 9/13/2002 +0000, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >And yes, thank you MSF instructors for drilling home lots of very >important life saving skills. > >Dave yup same thing happened to me. I *always* check my six while stopped at a light and allow myself enough room to move alongside the car in front of me should the BDC coming up behind me suffer a brain fart. I *always* keep the bike in first at stop lights just for that very reason. When things happen, they happen *fast*. There may be no time to pull in the clutch and shift into first. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:06:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DF6lSi006948; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:06:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DF6k38006940; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:06:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 13 Sep 2002 15:06:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020913150644.9375.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: yesterdays work commute X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) ... >> While I don't want to point the finger at you, I am going to do some >> finger wagging... ... >It sounds like from jtb's original description of the road that there was >*only one lane* for travel in that direction, so she wasn't being a left lane >turtle. [Dave] I agree, I snipped my original text above... I was merely trying to point out that when you're faced with someone in that big of a hurry, you shouldn't play speed discipline games with them, especially, on a bike. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DFNGSi007243; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:23:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DFNGBt007235; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:23:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020913105512.01feeeb8@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020913105512.01feeeb8@pop.east.cox.net> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:23:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:57 AM -0400 9/13/02, Aki Damme wrote: >At 02:47 PM 9/13/2002 +0000, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > >>And yes, thank you MSF instructors for drilling home lots of very >>important life saving skills. >> >>Dave > > >yup same thing happened to me. I *always* check my six while >stopped at a light and allow >myself enough room to move alongside the car in front of me should >the BDC coming up behind >me suffer a brain fart. I *always* keep the bike in first at stop >lights just for that very reason. When things >happen, they happen *fast*. There may be no time to pull in the >clutch and shift into first. > >-aki I was wondering at a guy I saw riding today. One mirror check, time enough for one blink of a turn light, and over he went. *shrug* Ok- while I'm trapped behind a seatbelt this week, I've got a question on lane possession. In my MSF class, they said I owned the whole lane - so it was a surprise to me some weeks ago when I got passed within my lane by another rider. I was in the far right side of the lane, and he passed me on the left within my lane - (no need to go on shoulder) - but it really startled me. Now, is there a hand sign or something to say "yeah, come on past" or it is just not a good idea in general? I mean - I was going maybe a dime over the limit - and there was no room to move out of his way (HOV lane was empty - but the main lanes were clogged) - but if I *knew* he wanted to get by it wouldn't have bothered me as much. Am I just a clueless newbie? Erick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:23:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DFNnSi007282; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:23:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DFNmgt007277; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:23:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913152346.16945.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:23:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: New Hondas To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is the link (supposedly - it seems to be down right now) to see the '03 Hondas: http://preview.hondamotorcycles.com/ Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DFR6Si007365; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:27:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DFR5s0007358; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:27:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh... 90-93 VFR, only $77.25! Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:26:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2002 15:26:57.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF3F7ED0:01C25B39] Tis a good deal, indeed. But that's just for the Givi Wingrack. I'm sure the bike isn't included. ;) Rob '98 VFR800 (sportin' a whole bunch of Givi's now) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Huh... 90-93 VFR, only $77.25! Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Great deal on a 90-93 VFR (not sure which year...) http://shop.store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/9093vfr750.html -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DFd6Si007702; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:39:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DFcoRS007679; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:38:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 13 Sep 2002 15:38:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020913153848.19457.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Erick wondered - I've got a >question on lane possession. In my MSF class, they said I owned the >whole lane - so it was a surprise to me some weeks ago when I got >passed within my lane by another rider. [Dave] Well, as long as you are current on your taxes, you do own it :-) I was in the far right side >of the lane, and he passed me on the left within my lane - (no need >to go on shoulder) - but it really startled me. [Dave] I've seen this too, but quite frankly, I consider it rude. Once I was passed by a lane splitter (I didn't count that as being passed in my lane), NBD here, 2 times I've been passed within my lane. In both cases, I was approaching a slow area and had reduced throttle. In one case, I moved right in the lane & waved the other, less patient rider past. I typically don't ride slow, and don't see people tailgating on my bike often. Nevertheless, I think the overtaking rider should at least have the courtesey to 'beep' or flash the high beam to get the slower rider's attention. I use ALL of the lane, if I see an obstruction, or conditions otherwise dictate, I'll move over in my lane. I'm curious to hear the geez... err... sages opine about this... ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DFe1Si007735; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:40:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DFe1qa007728; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:40:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYTHJlzXdhO5BJ/Gtoml77phq5j18w0G50ajVZl4ghZCGhUS0s+oIxLvPCUk2qsG8k= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: this "single undertail exhuast" trend Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c25b3b$d13ab980$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020913015105.84960.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Or something much less nefarious, such as Marketing directing Engineering to make streetbikes look more like the 4-stroke GP bikes out there... --jon ------matthew patton wrote: well, purhaps 3 examples don't make a trend but while I think the stylistic points are difinately a plus, to what extent is this an oblique effort by the factories to make the job of aftermarket exhuast suppliers more difficult? EPA/CARB have for quite some time now been pushing for manufacturers to deliberately make modding a vehicle counterproductive (eg. the bloody thing won't run) or at least cost (money/time) prohibitive. I shudder to think what insurance rates are going to do... Maybe soon MCists will have to carry the same insurance GA pilots have to. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:45:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DFj2Si007820; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:45:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DFiwDe007795; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:44:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:42:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <002301c25b33$bbce14a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <002301c25b33$bbce14a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209131142355X.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 13 September 2002 10:40, Paul Wilson wrote: > This morning I was nearly torpedoed by a BMW on 395. I guess he wasn't > paying attention to the sudden slow down. Glancing in my mirrors I > realized the following car is not going to make it, so I swerved up beside > the car in front of me. The BMW stopped in the space where I would have > been. A good reason to have your mirrors adjusted to see directly behind > you and less off to the sides, which you can survey with a head check. > Oh yea, that happens a lot. On the way home last night the pickup in front of me was playing chicken with the guy in front of him. When traffic slowed he hit the brakes. I had already left room in front of me so I was able to stop with no problems but the guy behind me wasn't watching. I was heading to the right light just in case but he stopped in time. > Another dividend-paying lesson of the MSF: check those mirrors when > slowing or stopping. > > Paul in DC Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:45:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DFjISi007842; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:45:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DFjI1C007837; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:45:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010b01c25b3d$69b075a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rich Hall" , "dc-cycles list" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5192E09@SERVER1> Subject: Re: yesterdays work commute Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:45:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" To: "dc-cycles list" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: RE: yesterdays work commute > Does this mean Lisa could commute on the bike in her monkey suit w/ that > over top? > Maybe, it depends what you mean by "monkey suit" and whether a skirt is involved. Our office is biz casual five days a week, unless there's a VIP (rare) about the place. Still I can wear my dress suit pants, shirt and tie under the Motoport. Suit jacket and dress shoes go in the Givi top box. I can arrive none the worse for wear. BTDT, for a bunch of meetings, a wedding and a couple of funerals. Cure the helmet hair in the bike mirror (what's left of my hair that the barber and the "family curse" didn't get) and I'm good to go. I have brown and black dress shoes that stay at the office. Paul From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DFnPSi007896; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:49:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DFnPDA007888; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:49:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY/4zPJh+A0cgQyJVQKyUtM7GD0IjHRT32JhMJ9H6+AGsiF/J69XfprXiWxkeOf7Gk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Chris Weaver'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: New SV650, SV1000, GSXR1000 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:49:22 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01c25b3d$217602f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020913140518.54849.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal nekkid SV 1000....mmmmmmmmmmmmm. --jon nekkid Bandit 1200 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:05 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New SV650, SV1000, GSXR1000 Check it out!!! http://www.moto-station.com/article.php?sid=544 It's in french, but you can always plug the address into babelfish.altavista.com and get a translation. 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News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 11:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DFpASi007944; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:51:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DFpAY4007935; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:51:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:48:57 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020913105512.01feeeb8@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209131148575Y.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 13 September 2002 11:23, Erick Singley wrote: > > I was wondering at a guy I saw riding today. One mirror check, time > enough for one blink of a turn light, and over he went. *shrug* > That's going to depend on speed and traffic. I ride HOV, left lane, right side. If I see an opening on the right where I can get around, I'll hit the signal, let it blink at least once, and then accelerate and change lanes. > Ok- while I'm trapped behind a seatbelt this week, I've got a > question on lane possession. In my MSF class, they said I owned the > whole lane - so it was a surprise to me some weeks ago when I got > passed within my lane by another rider. I was in the far right side > of the lane, and he passed me on the left within my lane - (no need > to go on shoulder) - but it really startled me. > As part of the "check your six", I usually know when there's a bike somewhere around me so someone coming up doesn't surprise me. While in stop-and-go, a bike slid by me but we swapped a couple of times so no biggie. > Now, is there a hand sign or something to say "yeah, come on past" > or it is just not a good idea in general? I mean - I was going maybe > a dime over the limit - and there was no room to move out of his way > (HOV lane was empty - but the main lanes were clogged) - but if I > *knew* he wanted to get by it wouldn't have bothered me as much. Am I > just a clueless newbie? For courtesy, I'd either move over at the first opportunity upon seeing someone in more of a hurry than me. I haven't been in a situation where someone tried passing me while at speed though. > Erick Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 12:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DGDPSi008150; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:13:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DGDObW008144; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:13:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013501c25b41$55d4b380$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <004801c25b3b$d13ab980$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: this "single undertail exhuast" trend Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:16:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" To: Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: RE: this "single undertail exhuast" trend > Or something much less nefarious, such as Marketing directing Engineering to > make streetbikes look more like the 4-stroke GP bikes out there... > > --jon > "Form follows fashion" in other words. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :) A friend of mine just installed Wolf CF underseat dual slip-ons on his 93 VFR and I must say I'm in lust. It really shows off the single-sided swingarm and does a lot to clean up the bike's lines. There was a stunning '02 Canadian silver VFR this past weekend at the annual Vifferfest in Lebanon, NH. With a fender bob and removing the pillion peg brackets the bike looks really amazing, especially in the silver bodywork which those north of the border types can get right off the showroom floor. He had also changed out the stock dual underseat exhaust for a Staintune stainless full system. Rumor has it the US of A is getting the silver VFR next year.... Not that I would want one of these for my very own for the type of riding I do, but I have to admit being captivated by the visuals. Paul in DC < Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DGEJSi008188; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:14:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DGEJfJ008182; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:14:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:13:21 -0400 From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2000 Heritage Softail Message-ID: <27D621B4.5FA1EEC5.0BE1AB0E@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is now up for sale as I make way for a new toy. 2000 Heritage Softail Classic, 1450cc, 17,000 miles, Thunderheaders, Stage 1 kit, lots of extra chrome and 2 new tires. Yellow chrome pearl... only 131 of 11,500 bikes were made in this color, so you'll be looking and sounding hot! If you don't like loud and ostentatious , then this is not the bike for you. Garage kept, $17,900 There were lots of accidents this year. Here's to winding down the season safely and planning 2003 rides. babe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 12:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DGNdSi008311; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:23:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DGNdi7008302; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:23:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913162336.93666.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0209131142355X.11374@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It gets even better. Some bozo in a Lincoln coming down Mountain Rd (??) doesn't bother to stop for the flashing red at US15 just north of Point of rocks and gets broadsided. The two of us on bikes are still on the steep downslope and I'm not a little concerned that some yahoo behind us is not going to stop in time. But I shouldn't have worried; some idiot on US15 northbound must be asleep. Tires squeeling and laying rubber he somehow misses the 4 emergency vehicles at the intersection and the firemen waving flares and directing traffic. And he had at least a 1/2 mile of visibility coming up to the junction. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 12:23:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DGNkSi008345; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:23:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DGNk95008338; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:23:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:22:19 -0400 From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: trucks hitting bikers Message-ID: <66C4423D.688CDF1A.0BE1AB0E@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As a former over the road, big truck, trucker, there's no excuse for hitting anyone or anything, regardless of what you're riding or driving. The truck who hit the Accord who hit the bike, who hit the... simply lacked skill and/or judgement. The truck driver was careless. This has nothing to do with spacing or allowing a truck room. A trucker shouldn't try to take advantage of it's intimdating size by crawling up tailpipes either. Nor she the trucker assume the vehicle in front of him will move over even if the air horn is applied. I've seen it all. Of course, there are those fools with licenses who do not know how to merge into traffic and "psych" the people behind by inching out just enough to make you think they're merging into traffic, then they stop. Hence you just rear ended someone. Those folks need to have their licenses revoked. ride/drive safe all, babe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 12:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DGO0Si008381; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:24:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DGO0p5008376; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:24:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Question about my R6 lights Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:23:53 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409151@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New SV650, SV1000, GSXR1000 Thread-Index: AcJbPqMSYLyr/fXJSYSZY2FrensERwAAHV1Q From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8DGNxSi008362 Let me start off by saying that Carpool bike night was pretty fun. I've never seen so many motorcycles in one place. It also helped me match some email addresses to faces :) However, I wanted to ask you guys about my R6 lights. The guy I bought the bike from installed the integrator kit from flashalert.com. This cleans up the back of the bike rather nicely. However, it may have not been installed correctly, as the integrated turn signals blink considerably faster than usual. This doesn't bother me when it comes down to it, and I even like this fast blinking setup. What concerns me however, is the fact that when I use the brakes, the brake light blink also. In essence, it looks as if I had both turn signals turned on and blinking in unison when I'm braking. At first I thought that this is a hookup issue also, but maybe the guy did this on purpose? When those brake lights are blinking, they are definately easier to notice. Maybe he meant it to serve as a safety feature... That said, I don't mind keeping things the way they are, but does anyone know if this will pass the smell test with the Cops? Here is what my lights look like: http://witold.org/bike/Bike004.jpg The blue things holding the plate are just screws. They don't give off any light. Witold www.witold.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 12:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DGi1Si008538; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:44:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DGi1uq008528; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:44:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D82153A.E457F932@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:41:30 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: OT: Selling car for bike... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang...although I don't ususally like to post ad's on lists I'm rationalizing this one away cuz' I'm selling my car to buy a used truck and a new bike. Additionally, if anyone does make the contact for the sale, I'll give em 200 bucks commission for full price sale. 100 for less. Anywho, here's the skinny: Located in Ballston Commons, VA. 1997 Base Prelude, black, 99500 Miles, Manual Transmission, 2WD, 4 Cylinders, Good Condition. , mostly highway, spoiler, SH rear deck, Infinity interior speakers, tinted windows, Mobil 1, all recalls, PowerStop crossdrilled rotors, Neuspeed front shock tower brace, Neuspeed Sport clutch, DC Sports DAC3 Air Intake, and shop manual. Well Maintained. Recently done (less than 3k miles): timing belt, acces. belts, plugs, wires, dist. cap, 660cca battery, KYB AGX 4 stage adj. shocks, brand new Pirelli P7000 Supersports. Never raced, just a real smooth, fun, reliable, and safe drive! Pics avail. Asking $12,500/obo I'd REALLY like to get a new bike! Danke, Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 12:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DGnPSi008636; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:49:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DGnOIV008626; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:49:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913124711.02328db0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:49:18 -0400 To: DCCycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT: Selling car for bike... In-Reply-To: <3D82153A.E457F932@carlparker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If I entered it into kbb correctly http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.urr?kbb.DC;042286;VA153&20111;car;p&751;Honda;1997%20Prelude&6;HO;P1& $9500 is about right for that car left stock. You never get what you want out of used cars unfortunately. Good luck on the bike purchase - instead of getting a car and bike, get two bikes ;-) At 12:41 PM 9/13/2002, Carl Parker wrote: >1997 Base Prelude, black, 99500 Miles, Manual Transmission, 2WD, 4 >Cylinders, Good Condition. , mostly highway, spoiler, ..... > >Asking $12,500/obo ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 12:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DGsfSi008702; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:54:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DGseJI008691; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:54:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 13 Sep 2002 16:54:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20020913165439.13146.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: yesterdays work commute X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) ... >Fair enough. Now, when I'm doing 65 on the beltway in my Exploder in Lane 4 >(1 being the left lane) and a Lexus is trying to graft itself to my rear >bumper, I'll slowly reduce speed down to 45 or until he finally wakes up (or >hangs up) and realizes that the whole world is passing us by. :-) [Dave] BAH! spray them with deer urine ! that particular problem is nothing that a spare windshield res. & plumbing, some wire & a switch, and 3 bottles of deer urine from the hunting section of WalMart won't take care of... so I've heard... Dave >--Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 12:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DGwISi008757; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:58:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DGwImA008751; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:58:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <180.da6d7e6.2ab3731c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:58:04 EDT Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/13/2002 11:22:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, singley@XXXXXX writes: > I was in the far right side > of the lane, and he passed me on the left within my lane - That rider was, to use a technical term, an asshole. A dangerous asshole, what if you had moved within your lane? > it really startled me. You should try to never be startled, (See prior posts on watching behind yourself at stop lights) if you are you did something wrong. We do all get startled once and a while, the trick is to learn from the experience. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 13:02:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DH21Si008832; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:02:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DH21XB008817; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:02:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020913130047.01fe2d98@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:01:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping In-Reply-To: <180.da6d7e6.2ab3731c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:58 PM 9/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: >You should try to never be startled, (See prior posts on watching behind >yourself at stop lights) if you are you did something wrong. We do all get >startled once and a while, the trick is to learn from the experience. I was startled to discover I was startled once. That was quite startling and I swore never to do that again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 13:08:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DH86Si008879; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:08:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DH86Da008869; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:08:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:07:57 EDT Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/13/2002 11:38:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > I'm curious to hear the geez... err... sages opine about this... ;-) When it comes to passing I treat a bike just like I do a car, I pull into another lane. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Gotta go through geezer to get to sage. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 13:10:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DHA6Si008939; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:10:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DHA6p5008933; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:10:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb8qKq1WXCdBttH7/23JdoY9waXWFmZ+eD6hYJjY5AT9lbL3iS7k5OYpf+hXPOvIag= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Tankslapper! Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:10:03 -0400 Message-ID: <006801c25b48$670a0cc0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal When good Stuntaz go bad! Next, on Maury. http://www.snuffx.com/x/sept13/xshowoff.mpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 13:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DHggSi009141; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:42:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DHgeln009122; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:42:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:42:28 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Witold@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question about my R6 lights Message-ID: <3EDE8D08.189EA652.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You shouldn't have any problems with the lights or the cops. That is the way they are supposed to work. The faster blink rate is because the non-standard lights work on a different wattage/voltage(?). The blinking brake lights may be related to this or he may have done it for safety like you said. Either way, they work. My turnsignals blink at warp 9 also and I've never had a problem with them. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:23:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Witold@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Let me start off by saying that Carpool bike night was pretty fun. I've never seen so many motorcycles in one place. It also helped me match some email addresses to faces :) > > However, I wanted to ask you guys about my R6 lights. The guy I bought the bike from installed the integrator kit from flashalert.com. This cleans up the back of the bike rather nicely. However, it may have not been installed correctly, as the integrated turn signals blink considerably faster than usual. This doesn't bother me when it comes down to it, and I even like this fast blinking setup. > > What concerns me however, is the fact that when I use the brakes, the brake light blink also. In essence, it looks as if I had both turn signals turned on and blinking in unison when I'm braking. > > At first I thought that this is a hookup issue also, but maybe the guy did this on purpose? When those brake lights are blinking, they are definately easier to notice. Maybe he meant it to serve as a safety feature... > > That said, I don't mind keeping things the way they are, but does anyone know if this will pass the smell test with the Cops? > > Here is what my lights look like: http://witold.org/bike/Bike004.jpg The blue things holding the plate are just > screws. They don't give off any light. > > Witold > www.witold.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 13:45:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DHjASi009180; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:45:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DHj9Vo009168; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:45:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c25b4c$cfeaaa20$51412c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: SPAM - Suunto Advizor Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:41:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Suunto Advizor wrist computer. I've got this on Amazon for $209. I'll negotiate a little if you want it and/or if it hasn't sold yet. I got it to check compass and altimeter readings while we are on our trip to South America, but I can't figure how to use it with gloves. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/B000051SEQ/used/ ref=olp_pg_used/104-8552441-2015922 I will mail it directly to you for a nominal fee ($6) Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 14:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DIoZSi009689; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:50:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DIoYnC009675; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:50:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:50:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200209131450.AA120652376@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping X-Mailer: Roger that. Happened to me on Wednesday - Brain Dead Cager wasn't interested in stopping for a red light until he saw that I was stopping. I moved to the center line as he jammed on his brakes. I believe the rear-end collision is the most common in the Washington, DC, area and nationwide. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:40:31 -0400 >This morning I was nearly torpedoed by a BMW on 395. I guess he wasn't >paying attention to the sudden slow down. Glancing in my mirrors I realized >the following car is not going to make it, so I swerved up beside the car in >front of me. The BMW stopped in the space where I would have been. A good >reason to have your mirrors adjusted to see directly behind you and less off >to the sides, which you can survey with a head check. > >Another dividend-paying lesson of the MSF: check those mirrors when slowing >or stopping. > >Paul in DC > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 14:50:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DIojSi009716; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:50:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DIojYY009711; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:50:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:54:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question about my R6 lights In-Reply-To: <3EDE8D08.189EA652.0C9D3659@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > You shouldn't have any problems with the lights or the cops. That is the >way they are supposed to work. The faster blink rate is because the >non-standard lights work on a different wattage/voltage(?). The blinking >brake lights may be related to this or he may have done it for safety like >you said. Either way, they work. My turnsignals blink at warp 9 also and >I've never had a problem with them. What differs is probably actually the resistance, and yes, by the same token, likely, the current in amps and therefore, the number of watts consumed in the circuit. Voltage is constant (Unless you ride a VFR :-) at about 13.something volts. Simple Ohms law stuff: P=IE (power in watts equals Current in Amps times EMF in Volts) and E=IR (EMF=Current times Resistance in Ohms) Why does this change the rate of blinking? The "flasher" is device with a bit of bi-metalic strip which, heats up, bends and opens the circuit, cools, closes the circuit, heats up, repeat add-in-finitum. Lower the resistance in the circuit, and therefore, run more current through and the metal heats/bends faster. You could, in theory, add a resistor or a rheostat to the circuit to adjust the blinking thing, if you care. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 14:55:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DIt0Si009773; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:55:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DIt09I009767; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:55:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:54:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200209131454.AA181010990@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping X-Mailer: It's illegal in Virginia for two vehicles to share a lane. It's dangerous, stupid, and inconsiderate to pass a bike in a lane. It's bad enough we have to watch out for cagers, it's criminal we have to watch out for bikes. Chris Norloff P.S. The only defense I can think of is to keep checking your mirrors, ride closer to the middle of the lane, and to move a little from side to side routinely (that'll keep you more visible as well as discourage in-lane passing). ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Erick Singley Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:23:13 -0400 >At 10:57 AM -0400 9/13/02, Aki Damme wrote: >>At 02:47 PM 9/13/2002 +0000, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >> >>>And yes, thank you MSF instructors for drilling home lots of very >>>important life saving skills. >>> >>>Dave >> >> >>yup same thing happened to me. I *always* check my six while >>stopped at a light and allow >>myself enough room to move alongside the car in front of me should >>the BDC coming up behind >>me suffer a brain fart. I *always* keep the bike in first at stop >>lights just for that very reason. When things >>happen, they happen *fast*. There may be no time to pull in the >>clutch and shift into first. >> >>-aki > >I was wondering at a guy I saw riding today. One mirror check, time >enough for one blink of a turn light, and over he went. *shrug* > >Ok- while I'm trapped behind a seatbelt this week, I've got a >question on lane possession. In my MSF class, they said I owned the >whole lane - so it was a surprise to me some weeks ago when I got >passed within my lane by another rider. I was in the far right side >of the lane, and he passed me on the left within my lane - (no need >to go on shoulder) - but it really startled me. > >Now, is there a hand sign or something to say "yeah, come on past" >or it is just not a good idea in general? I mean - I was going maybe >a dime over the limit - and there was no room to move out of his way >(HOV lane was empty - but the main lanes were clogged) - but if I >*knew* he wanted to get by it wouldn't have bothered me as much. Am I >just a clueless newbie? >Erick > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 15:28:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DJSXSi010001; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:28:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DJSXZ9009994; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:28:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:28:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Valkyrie Rune Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yum. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/13september02honda2004valkyrierune.html Fish. i'll take two From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 15:36:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DJanSi010082; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:36:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DJanf6010074; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:36:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6845@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Valkyrie Rune Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:36:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Whoa Mamasita! That is cool. I have no idea why. But it's cool. I guess it's time to revive the purple vanity plate thread....... Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC Do You Yahoo!? - I used to but now I just moan. Yum. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/13september02honda2004valkyrierune.html Fish. i'll take two From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 16:07:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DK7aSi010389; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:07:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DK7Z95010377; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:07:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: OT: Anyone know a good bodyshop? Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:04:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" My g/f just got rear-ended and needs a good bodyshop to fix up her new(ish) VW. I'm just happy she wasn't riding at the time. Cheers, Wellesley From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 16:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DKhdSi010622; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:43:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DKhcNv010614; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:43:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01a801c25b67$0bda2500$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Valkyrie Rune Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:48:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > Yum. > > http://www.motorcycledaily.com/13september02honda2004valkyrierune.html > > Fish. > i'll take two > Why? Is your yacht so big that it needs *two* anchors?? :) Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 17:23:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DLN5Si010851; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:23:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DLN4mf010840; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:23:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:23:02 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question about my R6 lights Message-ID: <582E846D.5F0BBA53.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you Professor Dan. Wasn't he great folks? Let's give him a big round of applause. ;-) Seriously, thanks for explaining that Dan. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 13 Sep 2002 1:54:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > You shouldn't have any problems with the lights or the cops. That is the > >way they are supposed to work. The faster blink rate is because the > >non-standard lights work on a different wattage/voltage(?). The blinking > >brake lights may be related to this or he may have done it for safety like > >you said. Either way, they work. My turnsignals blink at warp 9 also and > >I've never had a problem with them. > > What differs is probably actually the resistance, and yes, by the same > token, likely, the current in amps and therefore, the number of watts > consumed in the circuit. Voltage is constant (Unless you ride a VFR :-) at > about 13.something volts. > > Simple Ohms law stuff: P=IE (power in watts equals Current in Amps times > EMF in Volts) and E=IR (EMF=Current times Resistance in Ohms) > > Why does this change the rate of blinking? The "flasher" is device with a > bit of bi-metalic strip which, heats up, bends and opens the circuit, > cools, closes the circuit, heats up, repeat add-in-finitum. Lower the > resistance in the circuit, and therefore, run more current through and the > metal heats/bends faster. You could, in theory, add a > resistor or a rheostat > to the circuit to adjust the blinking thing, if you care. > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 17:52:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DLqtSi011053; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:52:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DLqttd011046; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:52:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:56:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question about my R6 lights In-Reply-To: <582E846D.5F0BBA53.0C9D3659@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:23:02 -0400 > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > To: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Question about my R6 lights > > Thank you Professor Dan. Wasn't he great folks? Let's give him a big round of applause. ;-) > > Seriously, thanks for explaining that Dan. And now, we return to your normally scheduled flame fest. Leather Rules. Textiles suck. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 19:12:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DNCHSi011888; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:12:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DNCGCg011880; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:12:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020913231213.69643.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Honda san, meet Akamai To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Akamai, meet Honda san. Honda san, please write nice big cheque for Akamai services the next time you have a media event. cc: suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 19:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DNc9Si012023; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:38:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DNc92s012016; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:38:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D827822.AE77A530@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:43:30 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The geezer References: <20020913140201.23842.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Codger Carl asked : > > Might be truer than we know. > > Anyone here born before November 1940? > Close - year of the steel penny = 1943 Bill the Cat From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 19:41:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DNfGSi012073; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:41:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DNfF3Q012067; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:41:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:41:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Ack! Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII William Huson wrote: > Bill the Cat Ack! Tphtlhtphtl. Fish. didn't they need steel for battleships in '43, not pennies? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 19:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DNoxSi012188; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:50:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DNoxBj012183; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:50:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D827B27.BE9C2F6C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:56:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Valkyrie Rune References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jtb, get on this! Tis PURPLE! And way cool... Fish Flowers wrote: > Yum. > > http://www.motorcycledaily.com/13september02honda2004valkyrierune.html > > Fish. > i'll take two From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 19:54:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DNsOSi012304; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:54:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DNsOQc012296; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:54:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D827BF6.A111BE77@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:59:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Ack! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > William Huson wrote: > > > Bill the Cat > > Ack! Tphtlhtphtl. > > Fish. > didn't they need steel for battleships in '43, not pennies? They needed copper for ammunition shells!!! And wiring I suppose. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 19:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8DNvRSi012368; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:57:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8DNvRSe012360; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:57:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "David" To: Subject: F/S - Aerostich Roadcrafter Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:01:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hello, I'm selling my 'stich. Seems I have grown in the wrong places and it doesn't want to fit as well as it should. So my eating problem, your gain. Here are the stats: It is/was originally a 40 Long, but has had the following alterations done: Broad Shoulder extensions, 1 inch added to each sleeve and Velcro added for knee sliders. In addition to the standard armor (elbows, shoulder, knee)B’s) it comes with the optional hip pads, as well the Aerostich back protector. The suit has been very well taken care off, but it is nearly 7 years old. >From the age it has faded some (most severe on top of back, above back vent) and the seem for the front chest pocket needs fixed (I fill that pocket with ice in the summer and the gap in the seem helps it drain, so I never fixed it). Also the main zipper pull has been replaced with a zip tie, as it was easier to use with gloves on. A zipper repair kit is included with the suit. The suit was )B“used” once, a slow speed spill. From that there is a small whole in the knee ballastics as well as abrasion in the elbow area. Suit has been laundered and Scotchguarded regularly (at the most, every 6 months). I'd like $450 for it!!! Email for pics or more info. I'm in digest mode, so email me direct por favor. David ickis_dog@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 21:47:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8E1lQSi012919; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:47:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8E1lQfP012908; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:47:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:46:29 -0400 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: BMW with yellow 'stitch on 270? To: dccycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I was in the cage and got my doors blown off by a nice, big white BMW bike with yellow 'stitch cruising up the HOV lane on 270 during evening rush hour. Any one of you listers? Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 22:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8E226Si013022; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:02:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8E226nR013015; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:02:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [65.129.58.123] From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:00:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2002 02:00:59.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[91FA0670:01C25B92] >From: "Chris Norloff" >Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping > >It's illegal in Virginia for two vehicles to share >a lane. It's dangerous, stupid, and inconsiderate >to pass a bike in a lane. I think it might be legal for two non-car vehicles to share a lane (run 2 abreast). Maybe I'm wrong? -Ward _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 22:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8E2KASi013223; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:20:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8E2KAL5013216; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D829E22.551C7891@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:25:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Ward CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron Ward wrote: > > I think it might be legal for two non-car vehicles to share a lane (run 2 > abreast). > > Maybe I'm wrong? > > -Ward Yep, you be wrong in Virginia. Only folks who can get away with two-abreast scoot riding are officers of lthe law. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 13 23:19:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8E3JXSi013625; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:19:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8E3JVGI013606; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:19:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020913231501.00a671a8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:18:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping In-Reply-To: <3D829E22.551C7891@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:25 PM 9/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Aaron Ward wrote: > > > > > I think it might be legal for two non-car vehicles to share a lane (run 2 > > abreast). > > > > Maybe I'm wrong? > > > > -Ward > >Yep, you be wrong in Virginia. Only folks who can get away with two-abreast >scoot riding are officers of lthe law. Ya know... Why is this? Other than their training, which obviously is just that, training, why is it legal for them and not for the rest of us. Inquiring minds an' all that. Dan@I_hate_double_standards_dot_org -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 01:44:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8E5iGSi014287; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:44:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8E5ht6I014266; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:43:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000001c25bbb$6d7e9760$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: , "Dan Brown" References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020913231501.00a671a8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:52:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >>Ya know... Why is this? Other than their training, which obviously >>is just that, training, why is it legal for them and not for the >>rest of us. Having just been a *victim* of said training, I can say that most riders do not know how to safely ride in such close proximity to one another. There are many tips and tricks learned by cops that better prepare them to ride side by side. Without such training, any miscalcualtion can be very serious. Most street riders do not know the proper way to share a lane, and most laws dictate to the lowest common denominator. While I may feel comfortable sharing a lane with someone whose riding style I know, I don't particularly want the idiots who met at the McDonalds parking lot to be rolling down Rte 109 side-by0-side any time soon The law can't guarantee a rider;s capability for handling a skill like this, and until they do, it should remain illegal.' -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 08:53:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ECrmSi016529; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:53:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ECrjOx016514; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:53:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020914084455.00a671a8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:52:29 -0400 To: From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping In-Reply-To: <000001c25bbb$6d7e9760$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020913231501.00a671a8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:52 AM 9/14/2002 -0500, Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>Ya know... Why is this? Other than their training, which obviously > >>is just that, training, why is it legal for them and not for the > >>rest of us. > >Having just been a *victim* of said training, I can say that most riders do >not know how to safely ride in such close proximity to one another. There >are many tips and tricks learned by cops that better prepare them to ride >side by side. Without such training, any miscalcualtion can be very >serious. Most street riders do not know the proper way to share a lane, and >most laws dictate to the lowest common denominator. While I may feel >comfortable sharing a lane with someone whose riding style I know, I don't >particularly want the idiots who met at the McDonalds parking lot to be >rolling down Rte 109 side-by0-side any time soon The law can't guarantee a >rider;s capability for handling a skill like this, and until they do, it >should remain illegal.' I'm, uh, not disagreeing that it should be illegal, in fact, I'm all for that. I like having the lane to myself and really hate when any other vehicle, bike or not, encroaches. What I'm asking is more a "good for the goose, good for the gander?" kind of question. What, other than their training, means that law enforcement officers can openly violate a state law? Shouldn't they at least have to have their sirens or warning lights going, or something? What happened to setting a good example? Again, all I'm asking is what says that they can break this law? -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 09:24:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EDOKSi016676; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:24:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EDOJ3t016671; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:24:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8339C6.DD603546@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:29:42 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020913231501.00a671a8@XXXXXX> <5.0.1.4.2.20020914084455.00a671a8@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > I'm, uh, not disagreeing that it should be illegal, in fact, I'm all > for that. I like having the lane to myself and really hate when any > other vehicle, bike or not, encroaches. > > What I'm asking is more a "good for the goose, good for the gander?" > kind of question. What, other than their training, means that law > enforcement officers can openly violate a state law? Shouldn't they > at least have to have their sirens or warning lights going, or > something? What happened to setting a good example? Again, all I'm > asking is what says that they can break this law? Simple - BECAUSE THEY CAN! Like Patti explained, they're trained to the max. You'd have a tough time finding one out of thousand street riders who could keep up with the average scoot cop in one of those motorcop rodeos. As for *legality*, I'm sure there's a caveat in the law related to police officers and driving/riding. A good example? Check out their helmets - half hats. Not the best, most of us would agree, but they have a purpose. Would you feel comfy talking to a cop who looked like Darth Vader in his full-face? Not likely. So they wear half hats for communication purposes, and to be less intimidating to John/Jane Q. citizen when they stop them. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 09:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EDP3Si016723; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:25:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EDP3wK016718; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:25:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:18:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c25bf1$3afe8580$1a82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20020914084455.00a671a8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I'm, uh, not disagreeing that it should be illegal, in fact, I'm all for that. I like having the lane to myself and really hate when any other vehicle, bike or not, encroaches. [Dave] Whey exactly should this be illegal ? Sure it requires different skill, but c'mon... By and large, most of the sport bikers here are better vehicle operators than even the best traffic cops, and they do a lot of driving... What I'm asking is more a "good for the goose, good for the gander?" kind of question. What, other than their training, means that law enforcement officers can openly violate a state law? Shouldn't they at least have to have their sirens or warning lights going, or something? What happened to setting a good example? [Dave] And that is a good question. Parades are one thing, but riding down the beltway is another. Why not raise this issue with the NMA lobbyist(s) ? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 09:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EDVwSi016781; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:31:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EDVwLe016775; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:31:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [65.128.222.194] From: "Pierfrancesco C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Free tools Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:30:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2002 13:30:51.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1B1F4A0:01C25BF2] Whoever wants tools, i have two sets of wrenches and plugs. WIth my tears on them since i am no longer on two wheels (For now though). Pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 09:46:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EDkOSi016871; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:46:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EDkOTV016863; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:46:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020914093049.00a671a8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:45:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping In-Reply-To: <3D8339C6.DD603546@patriot.net> References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020913231501.00a671a8@XXXXXX> <5.0.1.4.2.20020914084455.00a671a8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:29 AM 9/14/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Dan Brown wrote: > > > I'm, uh, not disagreeing that it should be illegal, in fact, I'm all > > for that. I like having the lane to myself and really hate when any > > other vehicle, bike or not, encroaches. > > > > What I'm asking is more a "good for the goose, good for the gander?" > > kind of question. What, other than their training, means that law > > enforcement officers can openly violate a state law? Shouldn't they > > at least have to have their sirens or warning lights going, or > > something? What happened to setting a good example? Again, all I'm > > asking is what says that they can break this law? > >Simple - BECAUSE THEY CAN! Like Patti explained, they're trained to the max. I think you just made my argument for me. While I'll agree that not many people are that well trained, the training isn't something that is exclusively available to troopers. >You'd have a tough time finding one out of thousand street riders who >could keep >up with the average scoot cop in one of those motorcop rodeos. Someone call the Shriners... > As for >*legality*, I'm sure there's a caveat in the law related to police >officers and >driving/riding. And I'd be surprised if said caveat didn't include something about warning lights and sirens... Cue the resident legal search fanatics. If they're going to enforce the laws, I say, let the abide by them too. >A good example? Check out their helmets - half hats. Not the best, most of us >would agree, but they have a purpose. Would you feel comfy talking to a >cop who >looked like Darth Vader in his full-face? Not likely. So they wear half hats >for communication purposes, and to be less intimidating to John/Jane Q. >citizen >when they stop them. You can't tell me that a moto cop in big riding boots, gloves, and reflector glasses, carrying a gun and a badge isn't just as threatening in an almost iconic sort of way as one who'd could be wearing a flip up darth vader helmet. Anyhow -- Beautiful day for a ride. Dan (does this pointless discussion make up for my electro-geekin' yesterday?) -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 14:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EIHqSi018091; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:17:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EIHmiO018075; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:17:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:17:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: MD inspection Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How hard can this be? I just spent another couple hours riding from garage to garage looking for one which'll inspect a motorcycle, and the best response I got was "bring it by some weekday morning, we'll try and have it inspected by 1400 the next day." Uhh... completely ignoring work and how I'd get it there and then get home, isn't that a bit absurd? I'm told the inspection shouldn't take more than five minutes. Anyone have a line on a good place to get a cycle inspected in the Bowie MD area? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 14:24:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EIOrSi018149; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:24:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EIOqBH018141; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:24:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020914142422.00b1c780@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:24:45 -0400 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: MD inspection In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:17 PM 9/14/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >How hard can this be? I just spent another couple hours riding from garage >to garage looking for one which'll inspect a motorcycle, and the best >response I got was "bring it by some weekday morning, we'll try and have >it inspected by 1400 the next day." > >Uhh... completely ignoring work and how I'd get it there and then get >home, isn't that a bit absurd? I'm told the inspection shouldn't take more >than five minutes. > >Anyone have a line on a good place to get a cycle inspected in the Bowie >MD area? > >Fish. Have you tried any of the motorcycle shops? I would think they could do the inspection. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 14:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EItbSi018439; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:55:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EItbvc018428; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:55:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:55:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MD inspection In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020914142422.00b1c780@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Aki Asked: > >Anyone have a line on a good place to get a cycle inspected in the Bowie > >MD area? > > Have you tried any of the motorcycle shops? I would think they could do the > inspection. Yep. The two closest to me (that I know of) are Honda Powersports of Crofton and Freestate Cycle, which have 48-hour and 168-hour turnaround times, respectively. Furrfu. If SWMBO weren't on vacation, I'd just get her to drive someplace with me and drop the bike off, but since I'm all by my lonesome I need some place which can get it done While-U-Wait. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 15:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EJ7CSi018529; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:07:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EJ7Bdp018520; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:07:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020914150556.00b713c0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:07:03 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: MD inspection In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020914142422.00b1c780@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:55 PM 9/14/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >Aki Asked: > > > >Anyone have a line on a good place to get a cycle inspected in the Bowie > > >MD area? > > > > Have you tried any of the motorcycle shops? I would think they could > do the > > inspection. > >Yep. The two closest to me (that I know of) are Honda Powersports of >Crofton and Freestate Cycle, which have 48-hour and 168-hour turnaround >times, respectively. Furrfu. > >If SWMBO weren't on vacation, I'd just get her to drive someplace with me >and drop the bike off, but since I'm all by my lonesome I need some place >which can get it done While-U-Wait. > >Fish. damn...wish I could help ya. Here in Va., it's a no brainer. I can't understand why it's such a big deal in MD. Maybe call around outside our area and see if any station could do it while you wait. It's a ten minute deal at the most. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 15:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EJAESi018577; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:10:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EJAEKB018571; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:10:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD inspection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020914120527.H54030-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > >Anyone have a line on a good place to get a cycle inspected in the Bowie > > >MD area? > > > > Have you tried any of the motorcycle shops? I would think they could do the > > inspection. > > Yep. The two closest to me (that I know of) are Honda Powersports of > Crofton and Freestate Cycle, which have 48-hour and 168-hour turnaround > times, respectively. Furrfu. > > If SWMBO weren't on vacation, I'd just get her to drive someplace with me > and drop the bike off, but since I'm all by my lonesome I need some place > which can get it done While-U-Wait. A family friend owns Montgomery Village Auto Clinic. They've inspected many of my bikes and even Rob's Acura he was sellling. Might want to give them a call, although it's a hike around the beltway to get there. It's located in Gaithersburg, Maryland. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 16:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8EKEOSi018893; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:14:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8EKEN6x018883; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:14:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:14:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MD inspection In-Reply-To: <20020914120527.H54030-100000@magoo.noid.org> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > A family friend owns Montgomery Village Auto Clinic. OK, I'll give them a call on Monday (they only seem to be open M-F). Heyser will do it in 1 hour (fastest I've heard yet!), but only M-F, and they charge $63.75... is that about what most people charge? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 19:38:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ENclSi020168; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:38:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ENckkq020154; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:38:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ec01c25c51$5da9f140$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "William J. Huson" , "Dan Brown" Cc: References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020913231501.00a671a8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> <5.0.1.4.2.20020914084455.00a671a8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> <3D8339C6.DD603546@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:46:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: BikerChickDC@XXXXXX >>A good example? Check out their helmets - half hats. Not the best, most of us would agree, but they have a purpose. Would you feel comfy talking to a cop who looked like Darth Vader in his full-face? Not likely. So they wear half hats for communication purposes, and to be less intimidating to John/Jane Q. citizen when they stop them I'm not able to really get my point across at this time, but let it be said that between the special priveleges Law Enforcement is allowed due to the nature of their work, and the intense training the motorcycle cops recieve, they can do things a normal citicen can't. In general, the public does not expect to be able to do what cops do; with motorcycles, it should not be any different. cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 19:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ENoJSi020274; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:50:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ENoJam020266; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:50:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f501c25c52$f6dda630$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <000001c25bf1$3afe8580$1a82c0cf@nih.gov> Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:58:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: BikerChickDC@XXXXXX >>... By and large, most of the sport bikers here are better vehicle operators than even the best traffic cops, and they do a lot of driving... With ALL due respect... I cannot think of anyone, regardless of the bike they ride, who has better control or better skills than the cops I know. I just went through this training; it's grueling. There is NO way anyone who has not specificly trained to ride like a cop, can handle a bike like a motorcycle cop. Traffic cops are one thing; motorcycle cops are another. I did not pass the final exam on the cop test, like half of the cops; but I'm a totally better rider for having taken the training. Anyone who can pass the police certification is a far better rider than the vast majority of people out there. cheers. patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 22:04:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8F24OSi020885; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:04:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8F24N4g020874; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:04:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005201c25c5c$3449beb0$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020914142422.00b1c780@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.1.5.2.20020914150556.00b713c0@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: MD inspection Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:02:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I have heard of a place in Greenbelt, Greenbelt Mobil I do believe. I received this information from the guys in College Park Motocross shop near the school. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: Re: MD inspection > At 01:55 PM 9/14/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: > >Aki Asked: > > > > > >Anyone have a line on a good place to get a cycle inspected in the Bowie > > > >MD area? > > > > > > Have you tried any of the motorcycle shops? I would think they could > > do the > > > inspection. > > > >Yep. The two closest to me (that I know of) are Honda Powersports of > >Crofton and Freestate Cycle, which have 48-hour and 168-hour turnaround > >times, respectively. Furrfu. > > > >If SWMBO weren't on vacation, I'd just get her to drive someplace with me > >and drop the bike off, but since I'm all by my lonesome I need some place > >which can get it done While-U-Wait. > > > >Fish. > > > damn...wish I could help ya. Here in Va., it's a no brainer. I can't > understand > why it's such a big deal in MD. Maybe call around outside our area and see > if any station could do it while you wait. It's a ten minute deal at the most. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 14 22:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8F2OJSi021004; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:24:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8F2OJV3020996; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:24:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c25c5f$3ba7dae0$2882c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00f501c25c52$f6dda630$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> Patti added I cannot think of anyone, regardless of the bike they ride, who has better control or better skills than the cops I know. [Dave] You may know a better caliber of 'vehicle operating' cop than the rest of us do... I just went through this training; it's grueling. There is NO way anyone who has not specificly trained to ride like a cop, can handle a bike like a motorcycle cop. [Dave] Most amateur racers (who are serious, not squids). Traffic cops are one thing; motorcycle cops are another. I did not pass the final exam on the cop test, like half of the cops; but I'm a totally better rider for having taken the training. Anyone who can pass the police certification is a far better rider than the vast majority of people out there. [Dave] Yes, moto cops are good bike handlers, no argument, but they're not to be worshipped. I've been to a shooting class with a nationally published SWAT Sgt, and he was a better shot than me. He damn well should've been, he was one of the teachers ;-) But he also taught that they weren't all that much more skilled at what they did, but had sufficient practice at it. Moto cops receive very good initial training & put what they've learned to use. The bulk of DCC doesn't have that level of initial training, but some here are motivated hobbyists, racers etc... I'm not saying the moto cops around here are stooges, just not deities... Incidentally, I had a neighbor who was a Capitol hill cop. He had to pilot a motorcycle up & down stairs... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 08:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8FCaPSi003903; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:36:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8FCaNp5003884; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:36:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.2cadefd8.2ab5d8c0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:36:16 EDT Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/14/2002 10:24:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Incidentally, I had a neighbor who was a Capitol hill cop. He had to > pilot a motorcycle up & down stairs... Saw a guy do that on the back wheel! (Doug Demokos) All the way up to the roof of an announcers stand, turn around, rode back down, all on the back wheel. Also saw him ride all the way around a motocross track on the back wheel. Guy made his living riding wheelies. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 10:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8FEUiSi004395; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:30:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8FEUhab004383; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:30:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001a01c25cc3$f053d840$403a2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: Cops on Parade was Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:26:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patti Rodgers" >>Ya know... Why is this? Other than their training, which obviously >>is just that, training, why is it legal for them and not for the >>rest of us. Having just been a *victim* of said training, I can say that most riders do not know how to safely ride in such close proximity to one another. There are many tips and tricks learned by cops that better prepare them to ride side by side. Without such training, any miscalcualtion can be very serious. Most street riders do not know the proper way to share a lane, and most laws dictate to the lowest common denominator. > So why not simply outlaw group riding altogether? We've witnessed here > on this list the high probability and propensity for mayhem when a group > ride is formed up. I'd say some or most of that is due to the fact that > "most street riders do not know the proper way to" group ride. While I may feel comfortable sharing a lane with someone whose riding style I know, I don't particularly want the idiots who met at the McDonalds parking lot to be rolling down Rte 109 side-by0-side any time soon The law can't guarantee a rider;s capability for handling a skill like this, and until they do, it should remain illegal.' > Wow Patti! If any legislator can be convinced by such a slippery slope > argument, we are all doomed. You are right about the lowest common > denominator mentality when it comes to traffic laws, but I don't believe, > for any reason other than a parade or procession, that cops should be > allowed to retain some statused priviledge to ride in this formation. Off > duty, they don't ride together like this do they? But they are still the > same people with all that wonderful training. It just doesn't wash. > Todd (Springfield, VA) -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 10:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8FEcJSi004446; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:38:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8FEcJVE004439; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:38:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CE9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gear Bah-Gans Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:38:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain To JTB's confession, "(most of you know my gear usually consist of street clothes, boots, gloves, and a helmet.)" Dave declared, "FIX this. get a real motorcycle jacket & pants at the minimum... Or, would you rather spend the money on skin grafts ?..." One poster on SabMag suggested, "Wearing your usual gear, run as fast as you can and jump belly down on your usual riding surface, e.g. asphalt. Then consider you can only run maybe 15 miles an hour and your bike goes much faster . . ." =8^O . . . Lots of good used gear out there. Coleen is local: http://members.aol.com/MotorLE/ Also local bargains: Heysers' will be having their annual auction and clearance first Saturday in October. They often have great clearance deals in the back and maybe some up front. Drive a cage if free beer is too tempting. Also, check out Motorcycle Times/Winding Roads for other local "open houses" . . . Paul in DC pronounced, "I can get in and out of any of this (JR, 'Stich, Motoport) in less than a minute, with office attire underneath." Yup, a suit fits just fine under a 'Stich. JTB, as you remove it, you can say, "The Name's Biker, Jenn the Biker." . . . Dan Brown boasted, "Leather Rules. Textiles suck." Anyone make a comparison of how well wet leather slides compared to wet Cordura? Carl in Bethesda (rides in rain) '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 11:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8FFDASi004626; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:13:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8FFD9Lf004619; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:13:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:13:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: At Fault Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had a dream where I was rear-ended by a lumbering SUV, demolishing my cage and damaging theirs. Of course, now I'm curious... I carry only liability. What happens at this point -- do they pay for any medical bills, and for a new car for me? Do they pay only what some impersonal blue book sez my crappy-ass cage is worth? Or do they pay me diddly/squat and I'm simply SOL? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 11:19:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8FFJ0Si004681; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:19:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8FFJ0YW004673; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:19:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020915111006.03225060@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:18:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: CBR600 / Squidly Pursuits Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Brother-in-law showed up at the house yesterday with a 2002 CBR 600 with 30 day tags. 100 miles on the odo. No leather on, no msf, no clue. "Let me take it around the block bud" - difference from the VFR is amazing. VFR has a lot of power on tap in the low rpms. CBR has none. Very sluggish down low. Couldn't keep the revs up as its still in break-in, but it feels as light as a bicycle and about as nimble. Scuffed out his chicken stripes (I love BT010 180s) and broke it's 100MPH cherry. I shouldn't even be riding, but I had to indulge. Finished off with a brake test accomplishing my first pair of mid-air stoppies. Brakes are much stronger than the VFR, and the bike isn't 'quite' such a pig. Makes for a great combo ;-) Anyway - after showing off what a squid I can be, I gave the BIL my currently unused leather First Gear jacket, some tips on chain care, some lube, and a demand that he take MSF at his next opportunity. Until then I offered to help him out in parking lots and tried to explain counter-steering and looking through turns to him. He didn't get it. He will. Makes me want to run out and pick up a second hooligan bike. But why buy when you can borrow? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 11:47:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8FFlKSi004817; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:47:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8FFlJ4j004812; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:47:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:46:13 -0400 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Saturday Ride To: dccycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Jay and I would like to thank George Cole for leading a great ride on Saturday. Jay, Herb, George, Gerald and I set out from Sheetz in Haymarket at about 9 AM on Saturday morning. We worked our way out to West Virginia for lunch. Great weather, no crashes, no run-ins, no mechanical issues and best of all there were no run-ins with the Man! We rode over 350 miles and George went on to ride even more! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 12:29:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8FGTPSi005046; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:29:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8FGTO0f005038; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:29:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:28:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623048F5BE9@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Saturday Ride Thread-Index: AcJc1QbAoi8pmkqgRUiupM1bd/2o/g== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8FGTNSi005026 Er...make that 1 run in with the Man... Got a warning... :o) (first time ever didn't get a ticket) Apparently all the local squids run from the police, the trooper even thanked me for pulling over, even gave me a complimentary WVA road map. I guess being a old dude in full gear didn't hurt either. George A few photos from the trip http://home1.nikonnet.com/servlet/com.arcsoft.LoginNew?com=arcsoftBanner &awp=index3.html&DIRECT=&USERNAME=gcole@XXXXXX&PASSWORD=nikoneditor_- 971980762&WHO=memberguest >>> Lisa Goddard 09/15/02 11:46AM >>> Jay and I would like to thank George Cole for leading a great ride on Saturday. best of all there were no run-ins with the Man! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 14:34:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8FIY9Si005609; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:34:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8FIY5ZJ005594; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:34:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020915183402.51686.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MD inspection To: Aki Damme , Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020914142422.00b1c780@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if you really want this done (montgomery county aint that far away), try rick hart at the potomac village amoco. 301 299-8400. quick and painless. --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 01:17 PM 9/14/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: > >How hard can this be? I just spent another couple hours > riding from garage > >to garage looking for one which'll inspect a motorcycle, > and the best > >response I got was "bring it by some weekday morning, > we'll try and have > >it inspected by 1400 the next day." > > > >Uhh... completely ignoring work and how I'd get it there > and then get > >home, isn't that a bit absurd? I'm told the inspection > shouldn't take more > >than five minutes. > > > >Anyone have a line on a good place to get a cycle > inspected in the Bowie > >MD area? > > > >Fish. > > > Have you tried any of the motorcycle shops? I would > think they could do the > inspection. > > -aki > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 18:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8FMVHSi006684; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:31:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8FMVB4Z006665; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:31:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D850B73.7A572103@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:36:35 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: At Fault References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > I had a dream where I was rear-ended by a lumbering SUV, demolishing my > cage and damaging theirs. Of course, now I'm curious... I carry only > liability. What happens at this point -- do they pay for any medical > bills, and for a new car for me? Do they pay only what some impersonal > blue book sez my crappy-ass cage is worth? Or do they pay me diddly/squat > and I'm simply SOL? > > Fish. If found at fault, their insurance company would pay ACV on your cage, that's Actual Cash Value (wholesale) and not even close to trade or retail blue book value. Out of pocket med expenses would be covered also. Your med plan, if you're one of the lucky third of our citizens that have a med plan, would most lilkely pay hospital expense and they'd have to sue the offender to get their money back. First rule, bitch often and bitch LOUD! Never take the first offer. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 20:22:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8G0MTSi007512; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:22:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8G0MQNN007493; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:22:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:20:43 -0400 From: Marc Read Subject: Hello again... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Some of you might remember me, I posted a couple of times then went into hibernation. New(ish) to the area and the country, having moved over from England -- managed to fail my MD test first time around due to sheer nerves, despite about 40 000 miles' riding under my belt -- Anyway, MSF and MD testing now safely completed. Deposit down on bike -- collecting it tomorrow. Brand shiny new Kawa ZR-7S in rather strange "blurple" color. Hardbags on order, and raring to tour... No other news or questions -- yet. I just need to spread the love. :-) See you on the roads, Marc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 21:10:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8G1AuSi007732; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:10:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8G1Au72007725; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:10:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.4] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:09:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2002 01:09:49.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0EDF450:01C25D1D] Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:56:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Valkyrie Rune jtb, get on this! Tis PURPLE! And way cool... Fish Flowers wrote: >Yum. > >http://www.motorcycledaily.com/13september02honda2004valkyrierune.html > >Fish. >i'll take two Yow!!! That's FUGLY. The styling looks very similar to the VTX (which I'm not fond of either. But the mill.... lotsa' power. Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 21:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8G1G2Si007798; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:16:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8G1G29v007789; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:16:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.4] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Vainity Plates Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:15:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2002 01:15:55.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B0281B0:01C25D1E] Lorton is closed. Now they have to send off to have the DC plates pressed. At least that's my theory. >ye gad Jeff, how long is it *supposed* to take for a personalized >plate in >DC? Typically in Va. a week, two at the most. > >-aki (who's now seriously looking at OTHER plates for his Durango after >being severely ridiculed on this list) > Delayed response due to reading in digest mode: Officially, it should take 6-8 weeks to get a personalized plate in DC. So far, I have been waiting 16 weeks and will probably have to wait about 2 more at least. The main reason I want a personalized plate is so that I can remember the f'ing number. With all the passwords, pin numbers, and everything else rattling around in my head, I will be glad to have one less obscure string of random letters/numbers to deal with. Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 22:01:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8G21JSi008085; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:01:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8G21IMh008074; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:01:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <191.d3dabe6.2ab69561@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:01:05 EDT Subject: OT: camping To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 hi everyone i bought a tent in may so im finally going to put it to use for the first time this weekend. im going with a friend either somewhere on the eastern shore of md or southern delaware. i read on a website that there's still a fire ban for md -- no campfires, propane, nor charcoal grills permitted. can anyone confirm the ban? whats the point of camping if you cant cook on an open fire? also, does anyone recommend campgrounds on the eastern shore or in southern delaware? we're looking for some place that has hiking and/or canoe rental. any help would be greatly appreciated! thanks, jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 15 22:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8G2iLSi008286; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:44:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8G2iLuc008279; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:44:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8546CF.7FDE9079@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:49:51 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: camping References: <191.d3dabe6.2ab69561@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > hi everyone > > i bought a tent in may so im finally going to put it to use for the first > time this weekend. im going with a friend either somewhere on the eastern > shore of md or southern delaware. i read on a website that there's still a > fire ban for md -- no campfires, propane, nor charcoal grills permitted. can > anyone confirm the ban? whats the point of camping if you cant cook on an > open fire? also, does anyone recommend campgrounds on the eastern shore or > in southern delaware? we're looking for some place that has hiking and/or > canoe rental. > > any help would be greatly appreciated! > > thanks, > jtb Check with the campgrounds. Usually they have *spots* or grills set up at each site and will let you use those. Asseteague (sp?) Island is cool, don't know if they rent canoes but they rent jon boats in Chincoteague. Bring LOTS of DEET skeeter spray. Also, a refuge with Black in the name, forgot if it's Black Swamp or Black Oak or whatever. The northern most reach of the Bald Cypress trees there. I believe there's an elevated boardwalk trail and boat rental. Been awhile - taught school on the eastern shore before you were born... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 07:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GBToSi011026; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:29:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GBTmOI011007; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:29:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001b01c25d74$5599fda0$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "William J. Huson" , Cc: References: <191.d3dabe6.2ab69561@aol.com> <3D8546CF.7FDE9079@patriot.net> Subject: Re: OT: camping Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:28:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 That would be Blackwater National Park, not all the way to Ocean City but it is nice there. As for fire bans, you might want to check with the State DNR web site, they will probably have the fire bans. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: Re: OT: camping > Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > hi everyone > > > > i bought a tent in may so im finally going to put it to use for the first > > time this weekend. im going with a friend either somewhere on the eastern > > shore of md or southern delaware. i read on a website that there's still a > > fire ban for md -- no campfires, propane, nor charcoal grills permitted. can > > anyone confirm the ban? whats the point of camping if you cant cook on an > > open fire? also, does anyone recommend campgrounds on the eastern shore or > > in southern delaware? we're looking for some place that has hiking and/or > > canoe rental. > > > > any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > > thanks, > > jtb > > Check with the campgrounds. Usually they have *spots* or grills set up at each > site and will let you use those. Asseteague (sp?) Island is cool, don't know if > they rent canoes but they rent jon boats in Chincoteague. Bring LOTS of DEET > skeeter spray. Also, a refuge with Black in the name, forgot if it's Black Swamp > or Black Oak or whatever. The northern most reach of the Bald Cypress trees > there. I believe there's an elevated boardwalk trail and boat rental. > > Been awhile - taught school on the eastern shore before you were born... > > Bill > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 08:08:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GC80Si011321; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:08:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GC80UP011315; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:08:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D85CAE3.4F130AFD@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:13:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "S. Russell" CC: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: camping References: <191.d3dabe6.2ab69561@aol.com> <3D8546CF.7FDE9079@patriot.net> <001b01c25d74$5599fda0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, that's it, Blackwater National Park! Been many moons since I've been there, but I recall it's natural beauty. I was raised in the coastal marshs and swamps so I like the scene. The Dismal Swamp and Big Savannah Swamp are vacation spots fer me! Bill - Swamp Rat "S. Russell" wrote: > That would be Blackwater National Park, not all the way to Ocean City but it > is nice there. > > As for fire bans, you might want to check with the State DNR web site, they > will probably have the fire bans. > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Huson" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: OT: camping > > > Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > hi everyone > > > > > > i bought a tent in may so im finally going to put it to use for the > first > > > time this weekend. im going with a friend either somewhere on the > eastern > > > shore of md or southern delaware. i read on a website that there's > still a > > > fire ban for md -- no campfires, propane, nor charcoal grills permitted. > can > > > anyone confirm the ban? whats the point of camping if you cant cook on > an > > > open fire? also, does anyone recommend campgrounds on the eastern shore > or > > > in southern delaware? we're looking for some place that has hiking > and/or > > > canoe rental. > > > > > > any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > > thanks, > > > jtb > > > > Check with the campgrounds. Usually they have *spots* or grills set up at > each > > site and will let you use those. Asseteague (sp?) Island is cool, don't > know if > > they rent canoes but they rent jon boats in Chincoteague. Bring LOTS of > DEET > > skeeter spray. Also, a refuge with Black in the name, forgot if it's > Black Swamp > > or Black Oak or whatever. The northern most reach of the Bald Cypress > trees > > there. I believe there's an elevated boardwalk trail and boat rental. > > > > Been awhile - taught school on the eastern shore before you were born... > > > > Bill > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 08:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GCvsSi011702; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:57:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GCvrsm011685; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:57:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18b.e2b6263.2ab72f4d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:57:49 EDT Subject: Re: CBR600 / Squidly Pursuits To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/15/2002 11:19:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Makes me want to run out and pick up a second hooligan bike. But why buy > when you can borrow? Hey, ya hafta demo the "proper" way dont ya? Sounds like you did the boy right, it is the least he can do. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 09:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GD5ISi011840; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:05:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GD5IbG011833; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:05:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:05:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Damp. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Any tips on airing out the sleeves of a Vanson? I ran out of juice today and ended up pushing the bike about a mile through the bird-spit drizzle, so it's a little damp now... ick. Fish in Bowie Commuting around your nation's capital since, uh, today, through rain. '92 GS500E (Red Sonja); '00 Vanson Cobra (Black Death) with apologies to carl, no the other carl, no the other one, yes that one From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 09:09:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GD9WSi012118; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:09:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GD9WMq012114; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:09:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CF2@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Garcia Oliver'" , "'thomasajordan@XXXXXX'" Subject: Compression test adapter Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:09:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain last Spring I asked about an adapter for Sears/Pep Boyz/Garden variety compression gauges so I could test my Hondas. These gauges have 14-18 mm threads. Most motorcycles have a 10-12 mm spark plug threads. (Measure for good measure :^) Someone suggested $nap-On but Thomas Jordan suggested Mac Tools. Mac Tools won the business of this parsimonious, tight-fisted, cheep-assed, nickel-squeezing, driveway-mechanic. Details below: Mac Tools: 1-800-MAC-TOOLs or 1-800- 622-8665 They have the 10 or the 12 mm adapter for $6.95 including shipping. This is just a small metal adapter that would thread onto the 14mm piece at the end of your hose... Call 'em early in the day (8 -10) as they get busy later. You may need to put a faucet washer in the bottom of the adapter to get a good seal. Item CT-112 for 12mm adapter .. (Honda V-4s) Item CT-110 (10mm thread for FZR400 and the like.) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 09:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GDDbSi012281; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:13:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GDDbLQ012276; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:13:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ab.887b787.2ab732f2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:13:22 EDT Subject: Re: Hello again... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/15/2002 8:22:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcread@XXXXXX writes: > having moved over > from England -- managed to fail my MD test first time around due to > sheer nerves, Nah, you just wanted to ride on the wrong side of the range. Good for you, stay safe. IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above & may contain information that is confidential, privileged, or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social faux pas. 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PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 09:16:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GDGGSi012547; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:16:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GDGFKR012541; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:16:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D85DAE7.457F0B55@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:21:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Damp. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > Any tips on airing out the sleeves of a Vanson? I ran out of juice today > and ended up pushing the bike about a mile through the bird-spit drizzle, > so it's a little damp now... ick. Yes, air dry, no heat. Might want to follow up with a leather treatment sauce. I've used Mink Oil on my leatehrs, sort of makes them water resistant. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 10:59:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GExcSi013297; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:59:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GExaLF013289; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:59:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020916145929.66817.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 07:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping To: Patti Rodgers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dan Brown In-Reply-To: <000001c25bbb$6d7e9760$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>Ya know... Why is this? Other than their training, > which obviously > >>is just that, training, why is it legal for them and > not for the > >>rest of us. > > Having just been a *victim* of said training, I can say > that most riders do > not know how to safely ride in such close proximity to > one another. There > are many tips and tricks learned by cops that better > prepare them to ride > side by side. i'm told that as a prerequisite to achieving motocop status, all trainees are required to endure a 72 hour CHiPs marathon. can you verify this? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 11:03:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GF3ISi013362; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:03:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GF3IFw013354; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:03:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 16 Sep 2002 15:03:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020916150315.6518.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Wildlife splitting X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) There's been discussion of bike deer strikes here before... This is not a deer strike, but could be similar... Most unfortunate for the animal... Heed the warning... >warning: not for the squeamish, nor for the >dial-up (l)users. check 'em out here: > http://members.cox.net/ywr969/javalina >note the angle of the forks in the 4th pic. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 11:09:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GF9qSi013438; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:09:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GF9qfP013430; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:09:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020916150950.76232.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MD inspection To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii $37 at the potomac village amoco, last time i checked. again, call 301 299-8400 and ask when rick hart can inspect that thang. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > A family friend owns Montgomery Village Auto Clinic. > > OK, I'll give them a call on Monday (they only seem to be > open M-F). > > Heyser will do it in 1 hour (fastest I've heard yet!), > but only M-F, and > they charge $63.75... is that about what most people > charge? > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 11:09:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GF9xSi013472; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:09:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GF9w1c013466; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:09:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 16 Sep 2002 15:09:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020916150957.8488.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Gimer, once again showing his lack of knowledge, asserted - ... >> Having just been a *victim* of said training, I can say >> that most riders do >> not know how to safely ride in such close proximity to >> one another. >i'm told that as a prerequisite to achieving motocop >status, all trainees are required to endure a 72 hour CHiPs >marathon. can you verify this? [Dave] Get it right next time, Pimper... it's 72 hours of CHimPs - you know, 'Jay Jay' & 'Mr. Pickles' from the commercial ? Most of the time the sequel isn't as good as the original... But CHimPs is definitely close ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 11:12:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GFCESi013527; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:12:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GFCDlA013521; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:12:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:12:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MD inspection In-Reply-To: <20020916150950.76232.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > $37 at the potomac village amoco, last time i checked. again, call > 301 299-8400 and ask when rick hart can inspect that thang. Yep, called them already; he sez he can do it this afternoon for $36, so I'm going to bring it by later. :) Thanks, all. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 13:06:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GH6bSi014150; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:06:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GH6ZEc014138; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:06:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020916170632.32165.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Fault To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Fish Flowers wrote: > I had a dream where I was rear-ended by a lumbering SUV, > demolishing my > cage and damaging theirs. Of course, now I'm curious... I > carry only > liability. What happens at this point -- do they pay for > any medical > bills, and for a new car for me? Do they pay only what > some impersonal > blue book sez my crappy-ass cage is worth? Or do they pay > me diddly/squat > and I'm simply SOL? > > Fish. because your dream failed to provide facts NECESSARY for any coverage opinion (e.g., other party's coverage, if any; the specific language from your policy(ies), etc.), here's what you should do: 1. you call us after visiting [shameless plug follows] http://www.murphygimer.com 2. we sue every potentially responsible party for all of your damages (including lost time from work, pain and suffering, replacement vehicle, property damage, etc.) 3. you sit back, pop your oxycontin, and relax while we sort out the mess -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 13:14:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GHE4Si014355; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:14:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GHE4Kx014346; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:14:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <013b01c25da4$4915cb60$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <20020916170632.32165.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: At Fault Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:12:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Tom, I just saw an ambulance go by! Go get 'em :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Fish Flowers" ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: Re: At Fault > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > I had a dream where I was rear-ended by a lumbering SUV, > > demolishing my > > cage and damaging theirs. Of course, now I'm curious... I > > carry only > > liability. What happens at this point -- do they pay for > > any medical > > bills, and for a new car for me? Do they pay only what > > some impersonal > > blue book sez my crappy-ass cage is worth? Or do they pay > > me diddly/squat > > and I'm simply SOL? > > > > Fish. > > because your dream failed to provide facts NECESSARY for > any coverage opinion (e.g., other party's coverage, if any; > the specific language from your policy(ies), etc.), here's > what you should do: > 1. you call us after visiting [shameless plug follows] > http://www.murphygimer.com > 2. we sue every potentially responsible party for all of > your damages (including lost time from work, pain and > suffering, replacement vehicle, property damage, etc.) > 3. you sit back, pop your oxycontin, and relax while we > sort out the mess > > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 13:23:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GHN0Si014428; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:23:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GHMxdJ014419; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:22:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020916172255.96074.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Fault To: Gary Foreman , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <013b01c25da4$4915cb60$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii gary: i don't do any chasing.... but if you'll provide the details of the sighting to my law partner, i'll forward them to him. ;) the jist of my message (beyond the shameless plug) was that, without seeing the applicable documents, we don't know what will happen to our poor Fish. --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Tom, I just saw an ambulance go by! Go get 'em :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > To: "Fish Flowers" ; "DC-Cycles" > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: At Fault > > > because your dream failed to provide facts NECESSARY > for > > any coverage opinion (e.g., other party's coverage, if > any; > > the specific language from your policy(ies), etc.), > here's > > what you should do: > > 1. you call us after visiting [shameless plug follows] > > http://www.murphygimer.com > > 2. we sue every potentially responsible party for all > of > > your damages (including lost time from work, pain and > > suffering, replacement vehicle, property damage, etc.) > > 3. you sit back, pop your oxycontin, and relax while we > > sort out the mess __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 15:03:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GJ3tSi015052; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:03:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GJ3m91015033; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:03:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6856@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: At Fault Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:03:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check out this site which I picked up off the CBR list, food for thought at the very least. http://www.blackletter.org/featured%20articles/truth%20about%20mcycle%20cras h.html Definitely hire a good lawyer. That is if you can't hire Chow Yun Fat http://movieweb.com/movie/replacement/co1.jpg Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "It's not hard to meet expenses... they're everywhere" --- Fish Flowers wrote: > I had a dream where I was rear-ended by a lumbering SUV, > demolishing my > cage and damaging theirs. Of course, now I'm curious... I > carry only > liability. What happens at this point -- do they pay for > any medical > bills, and for a new car for me? Do they pay only what > some impersonal > blue book sez my crappy-ass cage is worth? Or do they pay > me diddly/squat > and I'm simply SOL? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 15:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GJUiSi015197; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:30:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GJUihe015186; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:30:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020916193041.29519.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Check those mirrors when slowing/stopping To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <180.da6d7e6.2ab3731c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/13/2002 11:22:41 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > singley@XXXXXX writes: > > > I was in the far right side > > of the lane, and he passed me on the left within my > lane - > > That rider was, to use a technical term, an asshole. > A dangerous asshole, what if you had moved within your > lane? > > > it really startled me. > > You should try to never be startled, (See prior posts on > watching behind yourself at stop lights) if you are you > did something wrong. i was startled on saturday when i was passed by two other riders at 150mph+. i believe i had a right to be startled and i fully intend to be startled when it happens again next weekend. despite being startled, it was quite an enjoyable experience. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 17:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GL74Si015690; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:07:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GL73Fb015676; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:07:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020916210700.98740.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Saturday Ride To: Lisa Goddard , dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > > Jay and I would like to thank George Cole for leading a > great ride on > Saturday. Jay, Herb, George, Gerald and I set out from > Sheetz in Haymarket > at about 9 AM on Saturday morning. We worked our way out > to West Virginia > for lunch. Great weather, no crashes, no run-ins, no > mechanical issues and > best of all there were no run-ins with the Man! We rode > over 350 miles and > George went on to ride even more! too bad we didn't see/hook up with you guys. we left marshall, va at approx. 0930 and headed west through the hills. to anybody who likes exploring, we have found PLENTY of good roads in between bryce, va and wardensville, wv. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 17:21:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GLLnSi015799; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:21:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GLLnPK015791; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:21:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:21:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday Ride In-Reply-To: <20020916210700.98740.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > to anybody who likes exploring, we have found PLENTY of good roads in > between bryce, va and wardensville, wv. Yes, but if you've found them then it's hardly exploring, is it? Fish. all your bass are belong to us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 17:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GLQiSi015865; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:26:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GLQi5J015852; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:26:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:26:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday Ride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > Yes, but if you've found them then it's hardly exploring, is it? Speaking of exploring, I spent an hour or so randomly meandering about some nice twisty back roads nearish my house this afternoon. Whee! I guess I hadn't realized that Maryland could be _pretty_... Fish. could be worse, i could be living in new jersey again From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 19:54:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8GNssSi016950; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:54:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8GNsoIc016931; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:54:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:54:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Saturday Ride To: Tom Gimer Cc: Lisa Goddard , dccycles Message-id: <3D866F3C.B7D9A685@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020916210700.98740.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > to anybody who likes exploring, we have found PLENTY of > good roads in between bryce, va and wardensville, wv. I *really* like that road between Mt. Jackson and Basye myself. VA 263, I think. It's a fun rollercoaster. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 20:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H02fSi017018; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:02:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H02f1d017011; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:02:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917000234.78819.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:02:34 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: SPAM: cheap race bikes for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Saw a couple of items for sale the other day. I have no relationship with the sellers etc. 1996 Muz 660 Skorpian. $2600 or OBO. Call Tim in N.Va. 703-430-4950, tomorrow@XXXXXX 1994 Kawasaki EX500. Muzzy, airtech bodywork, Fox shocks, Lindermann forks, EBC rotor, Woodcraft clip-ons and rearsets, frame sliders... $2350 or OBO. Tim in N. VA 703-430-4950 tomorrow@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 20:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H06oSi017076; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:06:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H06oHO017069; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:06:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917000648.53504.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: FS: Rand Mcnally streetfinder Delux 2000 GPS for Palm III To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii $20. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 20:16:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H0GTSi017155; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:16:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H0GT65017148; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:16:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Tom Gimer" Cc: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:15:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D866F3C.B7D9A685@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Don't know that one in particular but I really enjoyed WV 55. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 7:55 PM To: Tom Gimer Cc: Lisa Goddard; dccycles Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Tom Gimer wrote: > to anybody who likes exploring, we have found PLENTY of > good roads in between bryce, va and wardensville, wv. I *really* like that road between Mt. Jackson and Basye myself. VA 263, I think. It's a fun rollercoaster. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 20:32:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H0WqSi017259; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:32:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H0WqwF017250; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:32:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:32:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Saturday Ride To: Lisa Goddard Cc: Tom Gimer , dccycles Message-id: <3D867828.BC725E81@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Don't know that one in particular but I really enjoyed WV 55. > > Lisa 55 goes all the way out to Seneca Rocks. That's another really good road. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 20:39:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H0d4Si017323; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:39:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H0d4tL017315; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:39:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 17 Sep 2002 00:38:50 GMT Message-ID: <003201c25de2$7deef6c0$ee319d40@oemcomputer> From: "Alex & Kris Morse" To: Subject: battery acid on the swing arm Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:38:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hello All, A friend of mine just brought in his SV650 for maintenance at Coleman (I know, I know...) and they told him that they saw evidence of some leaking battery acid on the swing arm and that the entire swing arm would need replacing. I've seen the bike and all you can see are a few slightly-bleached splatter marks on the aluminum. Does this sound legit? It's not like the leak is continuous -- the bike was knocked over on its side one night a couple of months ago and has spent most of the time since at Coleman waiting for new parts. The battery could have leaked the night it was on the ground but could that have seriously compromised the structural integrity of the swing arm? Thanks for any opinions, Alex Mt. Pleasant Bandito Nakito 1200 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 21:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H166Si017488; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:06:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H165UJ017469; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:06:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917010603.36458.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Saturday Ride To: Dale Horstman Cc: Lisa Goddard , dccycles In-Reply-To: <3D866F3C.B7D9A685@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii correct. 263. shredded. i also found a road that runs from va. 42 through jerome to county road 717. it absolutely ROCKS! can't remember the number other than that it was another 7-series road. but i found it again this week, and there's new gravel. :( i'll try again in a month. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > to anybody who likes exploring, we have found PLENTY of > > good roads in between bryce, va and wardensville, wv. > > I *really* like that road between Mt. Jackson and Basye > myself. VA 263, I think. It's a fun rollercoaster. > > Horkster __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 21:09:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H19rSi017525; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:09:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H19rEv017519; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:09:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917010950.57205.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Saturday Ride To: Lisa Goddard , Dale Horstman Cc: dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if you liked 55 (which they're in the process of straightening out :( ), try any one of the following and you'll prolly like 'em more: u.s. 33, u.s. 250, u.s. 220, va. 39, wv 20, wv 119, wv 42, u.s. 50 they're all reachable on a long day trip.... for added fun, stay a few days and run the ones in between 'em --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > > Don't know that one in particular but I really enjoyed WV > 55. > > Lisa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 7:55 PM > To: Tom Gimer > Cc: Lisa Goddard; dccycles > Subject: Re: Saturday Ride > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > to anybody who likes exploring, we have found PLENTY of > > good roads in between bryce, va and wardensville, wv. > > I *really* like that road between Mt. Jackson and Basye > myself. VA 263, I think. It's a fun rollercoaster. > > Horkster __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 21:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H1CbSi017575; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:12:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H1CbIh017568; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:12:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8682CE.BA0C8912@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:18:06 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex & Kris Morse CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: battery acid on the swing arm References: <003201c25de2$7deef6c0$ee319d40@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex & Kris Morse wrote: > Hello All, > A friend of mine just brought in his SV650 for maintenance at Coleman (I > know, I know...) and they told him that they saw evidence of some leaking > battery acid on the swing arm and that the entire swing arm would need > replacing. I've seen the bike and all you can see are a few > slightly-bleached splatter marks on the aluminum. Does this sound legit? > It's not like the leak is continuous -- the bike was knocked over on its > side one night a couple of months ago and has spent most of the time since > at Coleman waiting for new parts. The battery could have leaked the night > it was on the ground but could that have seriously compromised the > structural integrity of the swing arm? > Thanks for any opinions, > Alex > Mt. Pleasant > Bandito Nakito 1200 HAHAHAHAHA... If your friend falls for that, P.T. Barnum was right, there's a sucker born every minute. Ask dipsquat at Colemans to produce his/her degree in mechanical engineering AND metallurgy and then PROVE his hypothesis. And while he/she is stuttering grab the bike and RUN RUN RUN! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 21:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H1H9Si017634; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:17:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H1H9hO017628; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:17:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Dale Horstman" , Cc: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:15:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020917010950.57205.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 We all had a few moments of hooliganism and squidliness on a straight section of 55 but you didn't hear that from me. Lisa if you liked 55 (which they're in the process of straightening out :( ), try any one of the following and you'll prolly like 'em more: u.s. 33, u.s. 250, u.s. 220, va. 39, wv 20, wv 119, wv 42, u.s. 50 they're all reachable on a long day trip.... for added fun, stay a few days and run the ones in between 'em --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > > Don't know that one in particular but I really enjoyed WV > 55. > > Lisa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 7:55 PM > To: Tom Gimer > Cc: Lisa Goddard; dccycles > Subject: Re: Saturday Ride > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > to anybody who likes exploring, we have found PLENTY of > > good roads in between bryce, va and wardensville, wv. > > I *really* like that road between Mt. Jackson and Basye > myself. VA 263, I think. It's a fun rollercoaster. > > Horkster __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 21:57:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H1vOSi017834; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:57:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H1vOkU017827; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:57:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917015721.44112.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Saturday Ride To: Lisa Goddard , Dale Horstman , George.Cole@XXXXXX Cc: dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i was passed on 55 by two freaks who later admitted to seeing an indicated 170mph. hmmmm.... i'll have to check my va. code, but i don't think that's legal in the commonwealth. --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > We all had a few moments of hooliganism and squidliness > on a straight > section of 55 but you didn't hear that from me. > > Lisa > > > > > if you liked 55 (which they're in the process of > straightening out :( ), try any one of the following and > you'll prolly like 'em more: u.s. 33, u.s. 250, u.s. > 220, > va. 39, wv 20, wv 119, wv 42, u.s. 50 > > they're all reachable on a long day trip.... > > for added fun, stay a few days and run the ones in > between > 'em > > > > --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > > > > > Don't know that one in particular but I really enjoyed > WV > > 55. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 16 23:26:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8H3QnSi018271; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:26:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8H3QmAh018257; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:26:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Summit Point Photos from last CCS Race Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c25dfa$84d51740$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Took a while for me to get these posted. >From Saturday 9/7 and Sunday 9/8 http://www.2wheeljunkie.com (click on the PHOTOS tab at the top). Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 07:29:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HBTZSi020867; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:29:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HBTYjD020850; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:29:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:29:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Boot recommendations? Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It was a little cool this morning, so I'm thinking of getting a Streamliner vest from New Enough... and while I'm at it, I should probably get some real boots. What sort of boot do y'all recommend? I'm pretty emphatically not a fan of the super-sporty-eye-searing race boot styles; I'd like to be able to wear the boots around without looking like a total martian, but protection and comfort are important too. Any suggestions? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 07:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HBb5Si020932; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:37:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HBb58D020924; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:37:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020917073514.00b8e488@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:36:59 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: battery acid on the swing arm In-Reply-To: <003201c25de2$7deef6c0$ee319d40@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:38 PM 9/16/2002 -0400, Alex & Kris Morse wrote: >Hello All, >A friend of mine just brought in his SV650 for maintenance at Coleman (I >know, I know...) and they told him that they saw evidence of some leaking >battery acid on the swing arm and that the entire swing arm would need >replacing. I've seen the bike and all you can see are a few >slightly-bleached splatter marks on the aluminum. Does this sound legit? >It's not like the leak is continuous -- the bike was knocked over on its >side one night a couple of months ago and has spent most of the time since >at Coleman waiting for new parts. The battery could have leaked the night >it was on the ground but could that have seriously compromised the >structural integrity of the swing arm? >Thanks for any opinions, >Alex >Mt. Pleasant >Bandito Nakito 1200 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh gawd...no stop it...you're killing me..please I going to pee my pants....please no more. These Coleman jokes get better every day. Rule #1 to No. Va. motorcycle repairs. 1. NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER take your bike to Coleman for repairs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 08:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HC50Si021108; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:05:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HC4xxh021098; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:04:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917120457.15175.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 05:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sidi's sympatech (sp?) sounds like a fit --- Fish Flowers wrote: > It was a little cool this morning, so I'm thinking of > getting a > Streamliner vest from New Enough... and while I'm at it, > I should probably > get some real boots. What sort of boot do y'all > recommend? I'm pretty > emphatically not a fan of the super-sporty-eye-searing > race boot > styles; I'd like to be able to wear the boots around > without looking like > a total martian, but protection and comfort are important > too. > > Any suggestions? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 08:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HC79Si021156; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:07:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HC78f9021149; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:07:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004c01c25e42$bec94870$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: , "Hengrave Hall" , "Russell, Celenda A." , "Stanford, Bob/Karen" References: Subject: A new list Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:07:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Found a new web site for everyone, found it quite interesting. http://www.oxymoronlist.com/ Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 08:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HCQ3Si021327; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:26:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HCQ35V021320; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:26:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D87209E.4FEDD693@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:31:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? References: <20020917120457.15175.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like Tom said - I've heard happy feet reports about Sidi boots. I have your basic M/C boot and they're fine for riding, suck for walking around. To save my feeties from excruciating pain while dodging newbies when teaching MSF classes I went to R.E.I. and picked up a pair of Lowa backpack/hiking boots. Happy feet! But they don't have a hard toe and I doubt they'd be crash resistant. If I know I'm gonna be walking as well as riding, I'll wear them anyway. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > sidi's sympatech (sp?) sounds like a fit > > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > It was a little cool this morning, so I'm thinking of > > getting a > > Streamliner vest from New Enough... and while I'm at it, > > I should probably > > get some real boots. What sort of boot do y'all > > recommend? I'm pretty > > emphatically not a fan of the super-sporty-eye-searing > > race boot > > styles; I'd like to be able to wear the boots around > > without looking like > > a total martian, but protection and comfort are important > > too. > > > > Any suggestions? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 08:46:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HCkjSi021443; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:46:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HCkiLp021429; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:46:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:46:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: "William J. Huson" cc: Tom Gimer , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? In-Reply-To: <3D87209E.4FEDD693@patriot.net> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > Like Tom said - I've heard happy feet reports about Sidi boots. The Sympatex boots come highly recommended, but it doesn't look like there's any actual protection in them beyond good leather... Is there any? Honestly I'm not sure if I'm willing to spring $250 on boots which look kewl (and, okay, are waterproof) but don't provide any better protection than my current Cat boots... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:21:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDLaSi021644; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:21:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDLaDG021636; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:21:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917132134.51284.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: battery acid on the swing arm To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020917073514.00b8e488@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > Rule #1 to No. Va. motorcycle repairs. > > 1. NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER take your bike to Coleman for > repairs. .....unless you'd like an inflated estimate for a total loss -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDMsSi021688; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:22:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDMrFK021679; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:22:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020917092223.03928ea0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:22:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: battery acid on the swing arm In-Reply-To: <20020917132134.51284.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020917073514.00b8e488@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:21 AM 9/17/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > Rule #1 to No. Va. motorcycle repairs. > > > > 1. NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER take your bike to Coleman for > > repairs. > >.....unless you'd like an inflated estimate for a total >loss hmmm..good point. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDRWSi021763; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:27:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDRWUR021754; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:27:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Water in Gas Tank/Stranded Bike Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:29:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926D6@SERVER1> <20020912174631.45053.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020912174631.45053.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8HDRUSi021742 I know right? what a PITA. >underneath where nobthing can get at them. Do we not teach 'logical >thought' to engineers in school? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:27:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDRnSi021800; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:27:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDRmRl021790; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:27:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917132746.38749.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: Fish Flowers , "William J. Huson" Cc: Tom Gimer , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > > Like Tom said - I've heard happy feet reports about > Sidi boots. > > The Sympatex boots come highly recommended, but it > doesn't look like > there's any actual protection in them beyond good > leather... Is there > any? Honestly I'm not sure if I'm willing to spring $250 > on boots which > look kewl (and, okay, are waterproof) but don't provide > any better > protection than my current Cat boots... well, you coulda said that to begin with. check out the top boot: http://www.newenough.com/boots_gloves/sidi_street_boots.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:31:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDVLSi021869; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:31:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDVLlA021861; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:31:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:30:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962304F14579@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Saturday Ride Thread-Index: AcJeTnTaEBoMDYqJSF+aNQ8UpFuc2Q== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8HDVJSi021849 We did get on the new 55 section and I realized we were missing one of the best twisty sections so we did a U turn and sped back to the detour. We roared by a dude on a Harley at about 2x the limit. I am sure he appreciated it. When waiting at the Sheetz I saw a Yellow 996 turn onto 55 from 15 about 9:15 or so, was that you Tom? George >>> Tom Gimer 09/16/02 09:57PM >>> i was passed on 55 by two freaks who later admitted to seeing an indicated 170mph. hmmmm.... i'll have to check my va. code, but i don't think that's legal in the commonwealth. --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > We all had a few moments of hooliganism and squidliness > on a straight > section of 55 but you didn't hear that from me. > > Lisa > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:39:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDdOSi021931; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:39:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDdNnU021924; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:39:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "S. Russell" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: B & N Night Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CC9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> <022d01c25a92$546d75e0$9865fea9@Godzilla> In-Reply-To: <022d01c25a92$546d75e0$9865fea9@Godzilla> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8HDdMSi021907 I was at the last one. i pulled up last on my friends blue R6 with no rear seat. I suppose if i go this thursday i'll be on my 95 zx6r painted black but looks dark dark greyish From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDf6Si021989; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:41:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDf6Y2021983; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:41:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Dale Horstman Cc: George Cole , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New 600's Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:42:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3D810E67.3C9EB34F@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3D810E67.3C9EB34F@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8HDf5Si021971 Yea but.. if you figure the chain is on the left, maybe the can on t he right does balance it out. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:51:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDpBSi022089; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:51:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDpA1t022075; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:51:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009b01c25e52$25c51f40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962304F14579@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:55:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It's my understanding that most of "old" Rt. 55 will be retained once the Corridor H Hwy. is complete, probably as a county road, so you can still run the twisties between Wardensville and Moorefield. We ended up on the new road (part of the Robert Byrd Appalachian Hwy. System, natch) back in August and it's boooring. Corridor H will eventually connect the 4-lane stretch of 33 near Elkins with 55 near the Virginia line. Virginia hasn't shown much interest in connecting Corridor H to I-66, which is the eventual plan. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > We did get on the new 55 section and I realized we were missing one of > the > best twisty sections so we did a U turn and sped back to the detour. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:53:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDrLSi022122; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:53:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDrKIo022115; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:53:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:53:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20020917132746.38749.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > well, you coulda said that to begin with. What, that I wanted protection? I thought that was the _point_ of a motorcycle boot. Oh, yeah, that and having stylish Italian leather to go with your stylish Italian steel, but I have Nippon steel, so that doesn't really apply. > check out the top boot: > http://www.newenough.com/boots_gloves/sidi_street_boots.htm Yeah, that's actually what I'm tending toward at this point. Guess I just needed some comments to justify my choice. (Who was it that said to use reviews and comments to justify your own irrational and unconsidered choice of bikes?) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:54:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDshSi022161; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:54:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDsh7K022153; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:54:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917135441.45827.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: French Speeders To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought you would be interested in this, my girlfriend sent it along. Translated by me... A motorcyclist, of return of the Bel D'Or, intercepted at 251 km/h (156 mph) AURILLAC (AFP) - a motorcyclist who was returning to his home Sunday after having attended the 66)Bème Bol d'Or motorcycle race at Magny-Course (Nievre), was intercepted while speeding at 251 km/h on A75, close to Saint-Flour (Cantal). Three other motorcyclists, speeding at 202, 207 and 217 km/h, who had also attended the Bol D'Or, were stopped by the gendarmes of the motorway brigade of Saint-Flour who carried out a speed check. These motorcyclists were returning to their homes in Corsica and in the area of Montpellier. Their driving licences were withdrawn and they will be convened later on in front of a judge. ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 09:57:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HDvNSi022287; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:57:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HDvMuD022279; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:57:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917135719.78204.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Bad Cush Drive? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This past weekend I developed what I believe to be a failed cush drive in my rear wheel (from what little I know about the subject). Just at the time I'm trying to sell the bike too. :^( I was hoping to get a little help diagnosing the problem and perhaps some advice on how/where to get it fixed. The symptoms: at a standstill, the rear wheel has some sideways "play" in it. I can wiggle it back and forth horizontally a little. At speed, it results in a very slight wobble when leaning into turns and a vague feeling while leaned over. When looking at the wheel with it still mounted on the bike, it looks like perhaps a rubber piece around the hub has deteriorated. Does this all sound like a bad cush drive, bad bearings or what? Also, where should I take the wheel to have this fixed? I'm assuming any moto shop can do it and that they'll need to have a shop press on hand to press out the bearings and cush drive and insert new ones. Is this right? TIA, Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 10:04:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HE48Si022382; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:04:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HE48Xe022376; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:04:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:03:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2002 14:03:01.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF32AC80:01C25E52] I really like my Alpinestar Stage GTX (I think that's the name). Had them two years now. Very comfortable on/off bike, and as far as I can prove, waterproof. All black and about $200. YMMV Rob '98 VFR800 From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Boot recommendations? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:29:30 -0500 (CDT) It was a little cool this morning, so I'm thinking of getting a Streamliner vest from New Enough... and while I'm at it, I should probably get some real boots. What sort of boot do y'all recommend? I'm pretty emphatically not a fan of the super-sporty-eye-searing race boot styles; I'd like to be able to wear the boots around without looking like a total martian, but protection and comfort are important too. Any suggestions? Fish. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 10:04:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HE4xSi022419; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:04:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HE4xHf022412; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:04:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917140454.92090.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Saturday Ride To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962304F14579@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > > When waiting at the Sheetz I saw a Yellow 996 turn onto > 55 from 15 about > 9:15 > or so, was that you Tom? well, i thought it was about 0900, but yes, that's the way i went.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 10:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HE6CSi022480; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:06:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HE6Cn1022476; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:06:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:06:09 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Fish, Alpinestars makes several different boots that probably fit the bill for you. http://www.alpinestars.com/v2/v2html.htm I'd also like to recommend a boot up Gimer's ass. %^) Cheers, Chuck On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:29:30 -0500 (CDT) Fish Flowers wrote: > It was a little cool this morning, so I'm > thinking of getting a > Streamliner vest from New Enough... and while > I'm at it, I should probably > get some real boots. What sort of boot do y'all > recommend? I'm pretty > emphatically not a fan of the > super-sporty-eye-searing race boot > styles; I'd like to be able to wear the boots > around without looking like > a total martian, but protection and comfort are > important too. > > Any suggestions? > > Fish. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 10:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HEgBSi022737; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:42:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HEgBL8022729; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:42:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: French Speeders Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962304F145CD@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: French Speeders Thread-Index: AcJeWF+ERyGW+tGVRhuyzdSU+Sr5FA== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8HEgASi022717 If you were caught at 156 MPH on Rt 66, I imagine they would just shoot you. According the British bike mags, France is the place to go for high speed testing and antics. The Gendarmes are rarely seen out of town. George >>> Mark Kitchell 09/17/02 09:54AM >>> I thought you would be interested in this, my girlfriend sent it along. Translated by me... A motorcyclist, of return of the Bel D'Or, intercepted at 251 km/h (156 mph) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 10:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HEgcSi022775; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:42:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HEgcpB022770; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:42:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [141.156.119.11] From: "Greg Thompson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:41:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2002 14:41:32.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[50AD68B0:01C25E58] i'll second the sidi strada recommendation. they fit me better than many ordinary shoes i've owned. and they're not very flashy at all. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 10:46:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HEkFSi022830; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:46:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HEkEhC022824; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:46:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020917104334.03907be8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:46:07 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: French Speeders In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962304F145CD@nt-hqexbh1.boiseo ffice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:41 AM 9/17/2002 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >If you were caught at 156 MPH on Rt 66, I imagine they would just shoot >you. > >According the British bike mags, France is the place to go for high >speed >testing and antics. The Gendarmes are rarely seen out of town. > >George I was watching Cops one night and they were chasing some guy who was going +120mph on a sport bike. They *actually* considered throwing tire spikes out in front of him "to slow him down alittle". Thankfully, a Sergeant decided it "might" pose a safety problem to the sport bike rider. Stupid is what stupid does. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 10:47:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HEllSi022876; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:47:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HEllPf022867; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:47:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.altberg.co.uk/ Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net Proudly sponsored by Loudoun Motorsports http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 11:01:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HF11Si023162; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:01:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HF10Mu023149; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:01:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917150049.70007.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Fish, > > Alpinestars makes several different boots that probably > fit the bill for you. > > http://www.alpinestars.com/v2/v2html.htm > > I'd also like to recommend a boot up Gimer's ass. %^) does anyone have any suggestions in this regard? of course comfort is a priority. and a pointy (as opposed to round) toe would be preffered. perhaps something in an earthy tone.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 11:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HFFqSi023268; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:15:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HFFqwm023260; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:15:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:15:48 -0700 From: To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 I'm thinking cowboy boots. What size? On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Fish, > > Alpinestars makes several different boots that probably > fit the bill for you. > > http://www.alpinestars.com/v2/v2html.htm > > I'd also like to recommend a boot up Gimer's ass. %^) does anyone have any suggestions in this regard? of course comfort is a priority. and a pointy (as opposed to round) toe would be preffered. perhaps something in an earthy tone.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 11:19:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HFJMSi023314; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:19:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HFJLtJ023306; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:19:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917151919.35274.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: re: discount boots To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Holly at New Enough wrote: > Closeout Boots: http://www.newenough.com/closeouts/boots.htm > Hein Gericke PSX II boots in RED or BLUE ONLY: Normal Price: $139, > Sale price: $99 > This offer is good through 2:00 p.m. Wednesday. Shopping cart orders > only. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 11:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HFKLSi023368; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:20:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HFKLfX023362; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:20:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917152019.13925.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii asshole or foot? --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm thinking cowboy boots. What size? > > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer > wrote: > > --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > Fish, > > > > Alpinestars makes several different boots that probably > > fit the bill for you. > > > > http://www.alpinestars.com/v2/v2html.htm > > > > I'd also like to recommend a boot up Gimer's ass. %^) > > does anyone have any suggestions in this regard? of > course > comfort is a priority. and a pointy (as opposed to > round) > toe would be preffered. perhaps something in an earthy > tone.... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 11:21:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HFL5Si023407; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:21:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HFL5Se023400; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:21:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:21:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: re: discount boots In-Reply-To: <20020917151919.35274.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, matthew patton wrote: > > Closeout Boots: http://www.newenough.com/closeouts/boots.htm > > Hein Gericke PSX II boots in RED or BLUE ONLY: Normal Price: $139, > > Sale price: $99 Yep, saw that just now. Now I'm in a major quandary: these look to be on par with the Sidi Strada, and for half the price... but I can't decide if I could bear to be seen in them. Fish. my eyes! it burrrrrrns! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 11:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HFYBSi023562; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:34:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HFYA0U023554; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:34:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hotmail bounces? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:34:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2002 15:34:03.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6F9D490:01C25E5F] Anyone else on the list using Hotmail? Getting bounced from DC Cycles due to "excessive storage?" I have been bounced a couple of times in the last two weeks due to Hotmail refusing to accept incoming mail and generating bounce messages. I am no where near my limit, so I'm wondering if there's a larger problem. Anyone else experiencing this? Perry _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 11:59:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HFxxSi023796; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:59:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HFxwi1023788; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:59:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:59:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Bad Cush Drive? To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D875174.13F0EE23@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020917135719.78204.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Chris Weaver wrote: > The symptoms: at a standstill, the rear wheel has some > sideways "play" in it. I can wiggle it back and forth > horizontally a little. At speed, it results in a very > slight wobble when leaning into turns and a vague > feeling while leaned over. That part sounds like bad bearings, at least. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 13:20:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HHKaSi024280; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:20:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HHKZ48024268; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:20:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Boot recommendations? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020917132746.38749.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2002 17:19:19.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BAF16D0:01C25E6E] Ive got sidi Sympatex boots. The best boots ive ever had. They are super comfortable. Ive had 2 high speed crashes with them, and they held up pefectly, just a bit of scuffs and stuff. They are waterproof too. Did i say they are super comfortable. I would buy another pair any day. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 13:22:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HHMlSi024316; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:22:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HHMktZ024308; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:22:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917172244.43129.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My wife has a pair of Triumph branded boots that provide good protection and have conservative styling. I have a pair of the in your face SIDI racing boots. Lots of protection and comfy, but you certainly would get noticed. However, SIDI does make some less showy boots and one of the regular riding boots would be a good choice. Keith SV 650 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 13:28:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HHS4Si024370; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:28:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HHS3YG024365; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:28:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6862@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: French Speeders Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:27:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8HHS2Si024348 Check out www.roadmc.com. They have the speeding regulations and fine levels for the entire continent of Europe. If you watch some of what have to be the best on bike footage ever made you can understand how they acquired the information. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "Officier, je n'exp)Bédierais jamais!" If you were caught at 156 MPH on Rt 66, I imagine they would just shoot you. According the British bike mags, France is the place to go for high speed testing and antics. The Gendarmes are rarely seen out of town. George >>> Mark Kitchell 09/17/02 09:54AM >>> I thought you would be interested in this, my girlfriend sent it along. Translated by me... A motorcyclist, of return of the Bel D'Or, intercepted at 251 km/h (156 mph) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 13:35:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HHZHSi024438; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:35:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HHZH67024428; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:35:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <544d9864ea2b42acb647abf3d11a1a91.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Boot recommendations? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:35:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8HHZGSi024416 I would like to give a negative recommendation for the BMW goretex boots. I've only had mine for 4-5 years (which hasn't been a huge riding time for me, only 40k miles or so). The soles went south awhile ago, in spite of regular treatment they're no longer waterproof, the stitching is weak, the zippers have broken, etc. I had really hoped they'd last longer without needing major work... Maybe I expect too much but for $300+... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 13:39:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HHdSSi024516; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:39:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HHdSgi024508; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:39:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <047d01c25e70$fd40ddb0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <544d9864ea2b42acb647abf3d11a1a91.kirk@vei.net> Subject: Finally Finished! Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:36:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Okay, I finally got ALL the photos up from Summit Point: http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/020907/020907.htm http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/020908/020908.htm Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com TL Message Board http://www.voy.com/14718/ TL Owners Board http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard mailto: gary@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 15:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HJIESi025165; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:18:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HJI5d7025149; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:18:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917191802.98544.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Trailer for Sale (CHEAP) To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a trailer for sale. Its the perfect thing to haul your bike to the shop. Details: 1993 small Nuway. In decent shape (price reflects this). Very nice rail (single) and ramp which I installed myself. Tires are in fine shape. Some rust on it. Top (outside of rails) is plywood which could use replacing. Electrics need some work. Last time I tried it, they worked but I cannot promise they do now. Overall this a good trailer for short-hauls and with a little effort its good to go for longer trips. Its located in Arlington. A fair price is $150 email if you are interested. Thanks Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 15:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HJfASi025339; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:41:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HJf8Dn025320; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:41:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917194106.10104.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:41:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tankslapper! To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <006801c25b48$670a0cc0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > > When good Stuntaz go bad! Next, on Maury. > > http://www.snuffx.com/x/sept13/xshowoff.mpg all i got here was neverending pop-ups relating to rape videos. folks, if you simply MUST give us weblinks to porn, please provide links to sites without those annoying pop-up ads.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 15:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HJxiSi025445; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:59:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HJxirk025437; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:59:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D18@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX'" Subject: camping Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:59:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain "hi everyone" Hi JTB! "i bought a tent in may so im finally going to put it to use for the first time this weekend. im going with a friend either somewhere on the eastern shore of md or southern delaware." Wrong direction. Head west or south west where there're interesting roads and scenery (more below). "whats the point of camping if you cant cook on an open fire?" Beer, you've head of beer? Or rum as it'll be chilly at the higher altitudes. http://www.emontgomery.org/dlc/liquor/Retail/spirits_specials.cfm Mount Gay Eclipse Rum 1.75L 18.99 "also, does anyone recommend campgrounds on the eastern shore or in southern delaware? we're looking for some place that has hiking and/or canoe rental." http://www.dnr.state.md.us/outdoors/camping.html http://www.gocampingamerica.com/main.html click on DE/MD But more on topic: Start here: continue: Also the Cherokee campground in Tellico Plains is bike friendly. Finally end up here: "any help would be greatly appreciated!" Ah'm from the gummimint Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 16:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HK82Si025532; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:08:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HK82ej025527; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:08:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:07:59 -0700 From: To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 I don't think they make anything in the latter that's as big as the former for you. And I like PW's idea of heel end with spurs. %^) On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: asshole or foot? --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm thinking cowboy boots. What size? > > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer > wrote: > > --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > Fish, > > > > Alpinestars makes several different boots that probably > > fit the bill for you. > > > > http://www.alpinestars.com/v2/v2html.htm > > > > I'd also like to recommend a boot up Gimer's ass. %^) > > does anyone have any suggestions in this regard? of > course > comfort is a priority. and a pointy (as opposed to > round) > toe would be preffered. perhaps something in an earthy > tone.... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 16:26:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HKQTSi025671; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:26:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HKQSiX025653; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:26:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:26:13 EDT Subject: Re: Bad Cush Drive? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/17/2002 12:00:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > That part sounds like bad bearings, at least. I second that one! Bad cush pads will _not_ allow side to side travel of the wheel. Do not ride! At least untill someone who _Knows_ has a look at it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 16:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HKVISi025724; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:31:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HKVHph025713; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:31:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D1A@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" , "'marcread@XXXXXX'" Subject: Damp Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:31:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Fish in Bowie baited forthwith: "Any tips on airing out the sleeves of a Vanson? I ran out of juice today and ended up pushing the bike about a mile through the bird-spit drizzle, so it's a little damp now... ick." Van$on? Have your butler use a hair dryer with no heat. :^) I was in Fall River a couple of weeks ago and the folks there were pretty casual about how to treat their stuff. But, you could ask directly: Or, were you just whining about the humidity and bragging about the Vanson? :^) I'm impressed. (Went halfsie$ on one for my daughter. Had to return the Fieldsheer, bought at Brockton Cycles.) "Fish in Bowie Commuting around your nation's capital since, uh, today, through rain. '92 GS500E (Red Sonja); '00 Vanson Cobra (Black Death) with apologies to carl, no the other carl, no the other one, yes that one" Whew! Glad you got that straight 8^D Hello again... Marc Read reported meekly, "Some of you might remember me, I posted a couple of times then went into hibernation. New(ish) to the area and the country, having moved over from England -- managed to fail my MD test first time around due to sheer nerves, despite about 40 000 miles' riding under my belt -- Anyway, MSF and MD testing now safely completed." Congratulations "Deposit down on bike -- collecting it tomorrow. Brand shiny new Kawa ZR-7S in rather strange "blurple" color. Hardbags on order, and raring to tour..." See previous post on camping. West, go west. "No other news or questions -- yet. I just need to spread the love. :-)" Oh no, not another love thread. =8^O That Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 16:50:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HKo2Si025871; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:50:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HKo20G025861; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:50:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:49:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Damp In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D1A@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Custer, Carl wrote: > Or, were you just whining about the humidity and bragging about the > Vanson? Nah, the humidity was fine, it was the sweating ("huff puff russum frussum heavy-ass bike huff at least it's puff the dry weight puff") that made the jacket all icky. And it wasn't that expensive... got it used from New Enough. Yay cheap gear. Fish. taking to heart the advice to spend more on gear than bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 19:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HN57Si026879; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:05:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HN56gL026871; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:05:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020917230033.23725.qmail@mta500.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:00:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Yahoo! Auto Response To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text This is an automatic response. I am away from mail from 9/17/02 through 9/20/02. I may or may not be able to reply to you during that time, but if not, I will when I get back. Matt -------------------- Original Message: X-Track: 0: 100 Return-Path: Received: from 66.93.53.251 (EHLO dirty.meretrix.com) (66.93.53.251) by mta500.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8HN03Si026570; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:00:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8HN02XI026563; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:00:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:00:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200209172300.g8HN00uH026545@dirty.meretrix.com> From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 09/17/02 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /---- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 20:05:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8I05kSi027198; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:05:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8I05i3S027186; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:05:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003101c25ea7$205d25c0$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" Cc: "'DCCycles'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514CC9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> <022d01c25a92$546d75e0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Subject: Re: B & N Night Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:04:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Will be there, coming from work at Cycles USA. 84 Honda Nighthawk CB700SC Black and blue with Creviar helmet same color. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" To: "S. Russell" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: Re: B & N Night I was at the last one. i pulled up last on my friends blue R6 with no rear seat. I suppose if i go this thursday i'll be on my 95 zx6r painted black but looks dark dark greyish From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 20:40:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8I0eOSi027393; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:40:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8I0eOAL027384; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:40:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19f.8d107d9.2ab92570@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:40:16 EDT Subject: Re: B & N Night To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: macda@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 hi :) i do believe that i will be making an appearance on thursday if it doesnt rain. fair weather rider that i am! my dad gave me a rainsuit but i think it's only for when i get caught in the rain and not when i start out and its already raining! at any rate -- look for me... you know what i drive :) jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 22:11:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8I2BVSi027856; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:11:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8I2BUmh027842; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:11:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hotmail bounces? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:10:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2002 02:10:24.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C446080:01C25EB8] I had that problem the other week, when I was away and didn't clear out all the crap and was over the space limit. I was dropped from a couple of forums because of bounced mail. But since I've been back, I rejoined the groups and have had no problems at all. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hotmail bounces? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:34:03 -0400 Anyone else on the list using Hotmail? Getting bounced from DC Cycles due to "excessive storage?" I have been bounced a couple of times in the last two weeks due to Hotmail refusing to accept incoming mail and generating bounce messages. I am no where near my limit, so I'm wondering if there's a larger problem. Anyone else experiencing this? Perry _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 17 22:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8I2UNSi027965; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:30:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8I2UMdY027959; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:30:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Boot recommendations? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:31:28 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <544d9864ea2b42acb647abf3d11a1a91.kirk@vei.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2002 02:29:11.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C0B7980:01C25EBB] Kirk, Thanks for the heads up. i really like hearing about stuff like that. I was at the BMW dealer choosing my boots. Either sidi sympatex or bmw goretex. I went with the sidis. They have held up!! I like the bmw boots, they look really cool, and remind me of ski boots. I guess im glad i bought the sidi's. Ricardo I would like to give a negative recommendation for the BMW goretex boots. I've only had mine for 4-5 years (which hasn't been a huge riding time for me, only 40k miles or so). The soles went south awhile ago, in spite of regular treatment they're no longer waterproof, the stitching is weak, the zippers have broken, etc. I had really hoped they'd last longer without needing major work... Maybe I expect too much but for $300+... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 08:13:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ICDeSi030997; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:13:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ICDd10030983; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:13:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Peccary or Javalina Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:13:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is nothing like desert riding... he's lucky he didn't run into a 20 mule team, hauling Borax.... or a Texas speed bump (armadillo). I've hit a number of snakes, but never stopped to investigate. My Uncle was quite the Javalina hunter in his day... told me story once about a guy that saw 2 Javalina (Peccary) out on a dirt road, he aimed, fired and struck one on the skull. The Javalina shook his head a couple of times to clear it then commenced to kick the other pigs butt for the skull fracture. They are tough little varmints... Date: 16 Sep 2002 15:03:15 -0000 To: From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Wildlife splitting There's been discussion of bike deer strikes here before... This is not a deer strike, but could be similar... Most unfortunate for the animal... Heed the warning... >warning: not for the squeamish, nor for the >dial-up (l)users. check 'em out here: > http://members.cox.net/ywr969/javalina From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 08:24:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ICONSi031062; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:24:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ICONtn031054; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:24:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020918122415.46673.qmail@web40203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 05:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: CW International Motorcycle Show, official schedule on the web To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The final schedule for the CW International Motorcycle Show is now on-line. The NY show is: Jan 10-12 The Philly Show is canned. The Washington, DC (more like Chantilly, VA) show is: March 21-23. Full schedule, info at http://www.motorcycleshows.com (my posting about a month ago was based on an unofficial site I found, this is the official one) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 09:11:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IDB5Si031325; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:11:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IDB4OB031317; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:11:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51EC7F8@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dccycles Subject: IMF Protests Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:12:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Should I not ride in on Friday the 27th due to protest? I like to think I could weave through traffic. But I don't want my bike set on fire during the protest. Email from our building: "The main one the police are concerned about is Friday, Sept. 27. Organizers have vowed to block traffic and shut down businesses. The DC Metropolitan Police has made the following recommendations to businesses located downtown in dealing with the protests and blocked traffic next Friday. Encourage employees not to drive to work but to carpool or use Metro (bus/rail). Those who must drive should be prepared for closed streets and major delays. Metro will be adding extra trains that day." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 09:52:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IDqfSi031712; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:52:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IDqeI5031699; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:52:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020918135235.958.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:52:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Bearing Failure Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D875174.13F0EE23@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This isn't a big mechanical problem, but I thought some of the gearheads might appreciate an update. It was indeed a bearing failure just like everyone thought. I borrowed a bearing puller set from Matthew Patton (I'll bring some beer when I drop it back off, Matt) and managed to pull only the inner ring (and the ball bearings) out of the wheel. Unfortunately, the outer ring of the bearing is still in the wheel and there isn't an adaptor in the bearing puller set that's big enough to get it out. I can't just tap it out with a long screwdriver from the other side of the wheel right now because the other bearing (which seems to be in good working order) prevents access. I bought two new bearings from Loudoun Motorsports ($10 each!). It looks like I'll probably either A) pull out the other bearing so I can tap out the rest of the first bearing, or B) take it in to LM and let them deal with it. Since I have two new bearings anyway, I'll probably try A) and if that doesn't work, try B). Thanks to everyone on the list who offered advice. Cheers, Chris __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 10:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IEA9Si031860; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:10:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IEA9rB031851; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:10:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12b.1790ef1d.2ab9e334@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:09:56 EDT Subject: Re: Bearing Failure Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/18/2002 9:52:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > I can't just tap it out with a > long screwdriver from the other side of the wheel > right now because the other bearing (which seems to be > in good working order) prevents access. Try a _little_ heat, warm the hub and try to tap out the bearing + race. (Turn the wheel upside down and tap _up_ on the wheel itself with a rubber mallet, this has the same result as tapping down on the bearing.) I have had good luck heating sensitive stuff with hot (to boiling +- ) water. that way overheating, fire or overly focused heat that you can get from a propane torch is eliminated. I may have pullers that will work, let me know if I can help. DO NOT LOOSE THE SPACER inside the hub! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 10:17:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IEHNSi031978; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:17:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IEHM6Z031969; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:17:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020918141720.5187.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Bearing Failure Update To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <12b.1790ef1d.2ab9e334@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the advice, John. Not sure how I'm going to get the wheel submerged in boiling water though! Not to worry about the spacer. I have all of my little parts lined up carefully on a nice rag. :^) Chris > Try a _little_ heat, warm the hub and try to tap out > the bearing + race. > (Turn the wheel upside down and tap _up_ on the > wheel itself with a rubber > mallet, this has the same result as tapping down on > the bearing.) > > I have had good luck heating sensitive stuff with > hot (to boiling +- ) water. > that way overheating, fire or overly focused heat > that you can get from a > propane torch is eliminated. > > I may have pullers that will work, let me know if I > can help. > > DO NOT LOOSE THE SPACER inside the hub! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 10:26:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IEQUSi032163; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:26:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IEQTD9032155; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:26:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020918142627.17920.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Salvage Shops To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know of any motorcycle salvage shops/places in the area? I've heard there is one in Baltimore, can't recall the name though. If anyone has the info, like location and phone number, this would a great help to me. Thanks, Nick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 10:29:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IETbSi032211; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:29:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IETbTo032206; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:29:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <008001c25f1f$9ce5b580$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <20020918142627.17920.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Salvage Shops Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:27:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 A.A. CYCLES 4701 Belle Grove Road Brooklyn Park, MD 21225 Phone: 410/636-1044 BALTIMORE CYCLE SALVAGE, INC. 1629 Warner Street Baltimore, MD 21230 Phone: 410/962-1335 Fax: 410/962-1205 Tons of used parts for Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha. UPS, CODs & export. CYCLE OUTLET 12104 Bedford Road N.E. Cumberland, MD 21502 Phone: 301/724-6923 USA CYCLE SALVAGE 6508 Clayton Lane Morningside, MD 20746 Phone: 301/420-9065 Fax: 301/568-4172 American bikes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Thompson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Salvage Shops > Does anyone know of any motorcycle salvage > shops/places in the area? I've heard there is one in > Baltimore, can't recall the name though. If anyone > has the info, like location and phone number, this > would a great help to me. > > Thanks, > > Nick > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 10:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IEb7Si032283; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:37:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IEb6vW032275; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:37:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8890D3.64578E10@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:42:27 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicholas Thompson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Salvage Shops References: <20020918142627.17920.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just went thru taht drill. Wayne "EyeAbuser" Elden (sp?) provided a few good links, but I had zippo luck with my search until Jeff Steele gave me a heads-up on an Ebay auction. P and F Cycles in Dover DE was the place I went to pick up a battered Road Glide fairing. Almost $40 to ship it so I took a road trip. Wow! P and F has tons of plastic parts for jap bikes! All sorts of fairings, bags, and piecey-parts. Their website - http://www.pandf.dca.net/ What they have for sale on Ebay - http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=pandf@XXXXXX&sort=0&page=1&rows=25&since=-1&showpics=1&stab=0 Cool place. 2 miles north of Dover Downs on 13, you could stop by DD and play the slots! Bill Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Does anyone know of any motorcycle salvage > shops/places in the area? I've heard there is one in > Baltimore, can't recall the name though. If anyone > has the info, like location and phone number, this > would a great help to me. > > Thanks, > > Nick > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 10:42:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IEg1Si032486; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:42:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IEg1Xq032477; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:42:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:41:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200209181041.AA33555044@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: Salvage Shops X-Mailer: Here's some more. P&F in Dover, Delaware, are a ways to ride, but have a great NOS selection. I've also dealt with bikeboneyard - I PayPal'd him the money and he shipped a kick start lever out that day ... broke it one weekend, had it replaced by the next weekend! Walneck's Classic Cycle Trader has a lot of salvage sources listed, too. It's a thick, newsprint magazine you can find in better bookstores :-) and sometimes at 7-11, too. Chris Norloff http://anvil-group.com/yards/bike.htm Anvil's Salvage Yard Database http://www.bikeboneyard.com/ Bike Bone Yard - MC Salvage Yard - incl. Trials http://www.crc2onlinecatalog.com/ Cycle-Re-Cycle Part II : Home Page http://drdetail.hypermart.net/html/1024/items_for_sale.htm Items for sale http://216.242.235.54/ Moto Connection -salvaged and preowned motorcycles- www.motoconnection.com http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2001/motorcycles21.htm Motorcycles3 - Auctioneer/Liquidator - J Wood & Co. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Gary Foreman" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:27:38 -0400 >A.A. CYCLES >4701 Belle Grove Road >Brooklyn Park, MD 21225 >Phone: 410/636-1044 > >BALTIMORE CYCLE SALVAGE, INC. >1629 Warner Street >Baltimore, MD 21230 >Phone: 410/962-1335 >Fax: 410/962-1205 >Tons of used parts for Honda, Kawasaki, >Suzuki and Yamaha. UPS, CODs & export. > >CYCLE OUTLET >12104 Bedford Road N.E. >Cumberland, MD 21502 >Phone: 301/724-6923 > >USA CYCLE SALVAGE >6508 Clayton Lane >Morningside, MD 20746 >Phone: 301/420-9065 >Fax: 301/568-4172 >American bikes. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nicholas Thompson" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:26 AM >Subject: Salvage Shops > > >> Does anyone know of any motorcycle salvage >> shops/places in the area? I've heard there is one in >> Baltimore, can't recall the name though. If anyone >> has the info, like location and phone number, this >> would a great help to me. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Nick >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! News - Today's headlines >> http://news.yahoo.com >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 10:46:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IEkvSi032531; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:46:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IEkvJl032525; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:46:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <4ebf71b348a44e8db309d405f4974add.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bearing Failure Update Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:46:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8IEkuSi032513 Chris Weaver wrote: > I borrowed a bearing puller set from Matthew Patton > (I'll bring some beer when I drop it back off, Matt) > and managed to pull only the inner ring (and the ball > bearings) out of the wheel. Unfortunately, the outer > ring of the bearing is still in the wheel and there > isn't an adaptor in the bearing puller set that's big > enough to get it out. I can't just tap it out with a > long screwdriver from the other side of the wheel > right now because the other bearing (which seems to be > in good working order) prevents access. Hmmm, if I understand you correctly I hope this isn't on the brake side. You may be blocked by the wheel itself if that is the case. In other words, even with removing the bearings from the other side you won't be able to get a screwdriver to it. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 10:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IEnaSi032575; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:49:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IEnaji032569; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:49:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20044531c55348e6b79c1a8e1be0379e.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Salvage Shops Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:49:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8IEnZSi032557 Gary Foreman wrote: > BALTIMORE CYCLE SALVAGE, INC. > 1629 Warner Street > Baltimore, MD 21230 > Phone: 410/962-1335 > Fax: 410/962-1205 > Tons of used parts for Honda, Kawasaki, > Suzuki and Yamaha. UPS, CODs & export. While YMMV I have not enjoyed dealing with these guys. They were overpriced and inflexible/unwilling to deal. > CYCLE OUTLET > 12104 Bedford Road N.E. > Cumberland, MD 21502 > Phone: 301/724-6923 Worth the drive, IMO, although they'll ship as well. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 10:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IEvLSi032679; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:57:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IEvKqK032663; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:57:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020918145716.13288.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Bearing Failure Update To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4ebf71b348a44e8db309d405f4974add.kirk@vei.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think it'll be a problem. The troublesome bearing is on the brake side, but as far as I can tell, there wouldn't be anything preventing me from getting a screwdriver to the back of it if I pull the sprocket-side bearing. I'm not sure what could block the screwdriver in any case - maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Chris --- Kirk Roy wrote: > Hmmm, if I understand you correctly I hope this > isn't on the brake side. You may be blocked by the > wheel itself if that is the case. In other words, > even with removing the bearings from the other side > you won't be able to get a screwdriver to it. > > Kirk > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 11:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IFC6Si000399; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:12:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IFC4aK000380; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:12:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <83497203c5a84661942e1c1747cb118e.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bearing Failure Update Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:12:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8IFC2Si000363 Chris Weaver wrote: > I don't think it'll be a problem. The troublesome > bearing is on the brake side, but as far as I can > tell, there wouldn't be anything preventing me from > getting a screwdriver to the back of it if I pull the > sprocket-side bearing. I'm not sure what could block > the screwdriver in any case - maybe I'm > misunderstanding you. Nope, you understand. What you don't know is that the flange is in the way of you putting your screwdriver in there on the bearing race. I happen to be at home with a wheel sitting around so I took a pic from the drive side so you can see the flange: http://members.fcac.org/~kirk/vtrwheel.jpg You would, of course, discover this soon enough on your own... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 11:15:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IFFtSi000453; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:15:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IFFs8n000444; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:15:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020918151552.14727.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:15:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Bearing Failure Update To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <83497203c5a84661942e1c1747cb118e.kirk@vei.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Crap. Thanks for the pic, Kirk. Looks like I'm hosed. I'll skip to step B) and take it straight to LM to have them take a whack at it I guess. Chris --- Kirk Roy wrote: > Chris Weaver wrote: > > I don't think it'll be a problem. The troublesome > > bearing is on the brake side, but as far as I can > > tell, there wouldn't be anything preventing me > from > > getting a screwdriver to the back of it if I pull > the > > sprocket-side bearing. I'm not sure what could > block > > the screwdriver in any case - maybe I'm > > misunderstanding you. > > Nope, you understand. What you don't know is that > the flange is in the way of you putting your > screwdriver in there on the bearing race. I happen > to be at home with a wheel sitting around so I took > a pic from the drive side so you can see the flange: > http://members.fcac.org/~kirk/vtrwheel.jpg > > You would, of course, discover this soon enough on > your own... :) > > Kirk > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 11:49:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IFnkSi000816; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:49:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IFnkeX000807; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:49:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004f01c25f2a$59ed8a40$cc592c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: SPAM - Garage Sale Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:45:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Garage sale. Contact me immediately if you want any of this.... Aerostich Stuff: $90 - Black Darien Jacket(XL). Needs heat taping repair so it isn't completely water proof. However, for fair weather riding this jacket is excellent protection. Has brand new shoulder and elbow pads. $15 - Shoulder and elbow pads (brand new) will fit Darien and Roadcrafter suits. These will only be sold if there is no interest in the Darien Jacket. $20 - Size 10.5 Elkskin Ropers, brand new. These are for large hands Apparel: $20 - Shaf Leather vest (US size 52R) for you cruiser types. Has perforations from various pin dressings, otherwise excellent condition. $200 - BMW Savanah Jacket with Gortex Liner (US size 54R) for big body. Left arm at crash pad has been used but the jacket is still very useable. Original cost was over $600 and $200+ of that was the liner. You will NOT get wet with this liner, it's awsome! $90 - Gerbing Heated liner (US Size 62) for big body. Used Just one season. If you don't have electrics, you DON'T know what you are missing. This liner has heat in the arms and collar. I wore this jacket into the teens last year and was quite comfortable. http://www.gerbing.com/Pages/jl.html $50 - Leather Bomber Jacket (US chest 44R), brown. Needs wiping down. Made in Pakistan. Not a moto-jacket, but I used it that way. It is a tough leather. $10 - Tough (Cedar Key) Gloucester style rain jacket with hood (size XL). Shop Tools: $200 - http://www.bike-lift.com/ EasyRizer Bike lift. This thing will lift any bike, safely. Comes with additional mounts for Ducati and a Safety lock. This is an excellent bargain! $20 - 3/8in Air Ratchet (new) $20 - Air Spray Gun (new) $ 5 - Vacuum Tester (new) Just stuff: $ 5 - Coiling Cable lock with two keys. 3/8" thick. Great for locking up on the road as it is easily stowable. $ 5 - Kryptonite EV lock with one key. Good for disc. on hold$10 - Battery, new as of this past March. Excellent condition! This was a Walmart purchase and will fit all kinds of motorcycles. To find out if it fits yours, go to www.yuasabatteries.com and search batteries by battery type for YTX14AHL-BS free - Kreem Tank Prep for preparing your tank for a kreem job! $ 2 - Kawasaki DOT 5 break fluid, un-opened $ 2 - Kawasaki Aluma Cool (radiator fluid), un-opened $ 4 - Bel-Ray 10w Fork-oil, un-opened $10 - OSI Tank Bag $10 - High Quality Beach chair (book and drink holder), used one weekend. $30 - Leaf blower/bagger and box of bags $30 - Grass trimmer and new line with leaf rake negoti - Strait tooth rake, shovel and snow shovel From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 12:26:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IGQ1Si001173; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:26:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IGQ0Z3001157; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:26:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008901c25f2f$69600fc0$cc592c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Cc: "John Kozyn" Subject: Tire Changer Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:21:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Paul Wilson brought up the status of the group Tire Changer. As of the end of next week the tire changer will be located with John Kozyn mr_vfr@XXXXXX He has a garage in Arlington, very close to the Pentagon and is much more centrally located than my place ever was. John has the list of members. My membership is up for sale by giving John $30 in my name. Be nice to John. He has used the machine many times and is familiar with how it works. Until about mid week next, I will have it and can continue to assist members. I am in the process of getting my house packed so my assistance may only be, "there it is, don't bust your knuckles". ;-) Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 13:16:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IHGCSi001467; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:16:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IHGBTx001459; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:16:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C364@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Salvage Shops Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:16:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have dealt with them as well... Prices so far have been great......like less that 1/2 of retail cost from just about anywhere... Jason -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:42 AM To: Nicholas Thompson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Salvage Shops I just went thru taht drill. Wayne "EyeAbuser" Elden (sp?) provided a few good links, but I had zippo luck with my search until Jeff Steele gave me a heads-up on an Ebay auction. P and F Cycles in Dover DE was the place I went to pick up a battered Road Glide fairing. Almost $40 to ship it so I took a road trip. Wow! P and F has tons of plastic parts for jap bikes! All sorts of fairings, bags, and piecey-parts. Their website - http://www.pandf.dca.net/ What they have for sale on Ebay - http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&u serid=pandf@XXXXXX&sort=0&page=1&rows=25&since=-1&showpics=1&stab=0 Cool place. 2 miles north of Dover Downs on 13, you could stop by DD and play the slots! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 14:21:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IILJSi001990; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:21:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IILIL1001979; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:21:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020918142101.009f5ec0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:21:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: SPAM: cheap race bikes for sale In-Reply-To: <20020917000234.78819.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Patton wrote: >Saw a couple of items for sale the other day. I have no relationship >with the sellers etc. > >1996 Muz 660 Skorpian. $2600 or OBO. Call Tim in N.Va. 703-430-4950, >tomorrow@XXXXXX > >1994 Kawasaki EX500. Muzzy, airtech bodywork, Fox shocks, Lindermann >forks, EBC rotor, Woodcraft clip-ons and rearsets, frame sliders... >$2350 or OBO. Tim in N. VA 703-430-4950 tomorrow@XXXXXX I know Tim Morrow personally and have raced with both him and his son. If anyone is looking to get into racing, these are beautifully prepared machines. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 14:41:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IIffSi002140; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:41:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IIfftv002130; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:41:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:41:06 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: robkeiser@XXXXXX, fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Message-ID: <491794BB.02D5BF89.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I believe those are the same boots (or at least one pair of the boots) I have. And I agre, very comfortable on/off the bike. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 9:03:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, robkeiser@XXXXXX writes: > > > I really like my Alpinestar Stage GTX (I think that's the name). Had them > two years now. > > Very comfortable on/off bike, and as far as I can prove, waterproof. > > All black and about $200. > > YMMV > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: Fish Flowers > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Boot recommendations? > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:29:30 -0500 (CDT) > > It was a little cool this morning, so I'm thinking of getting a > Streamliner vest from New Enough... and while I'm at it, I should probably > get some real boots. What sort of boot do y'all recommend? I'm pretty > emphatically not a fan of the super-sporty-eye-searing race boot > styles; I'd like to be able to wear the boots around without looking like > a total martian, but protection and comfort are important too. > > Any suggestions? > > Fish. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 14:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IIiHSi002185; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:44:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IIiGX7002178; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:44:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:44:10 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Message-ID: <663A63E7.55597D45.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've got a nice black pair of size 10 1/2 with a silver toe rand on them. Will those work? ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:15:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm thinking cowboy boots. What size? > > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer > wrote: > > --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > Fish, > > > > Alpinestars makes several different boots that probably > > fit the bill for you. > > > > http://www.alpinestars.com/v2/v2html.htm > > > > I'd also like to recommend a boot up Gimer's ass. %^) > > does anyone have any suggestions in this regard? of course > comfort is a priority. and a pointy (as opposed to round) > toe would be preffered. perhaps something in an earthy > tone.... > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 15:34:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IJYdSi002533; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:34:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IJYX70002517; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:34:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020918193430.49608.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <663A63E7.55597D45.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i said "earthy tone" dammit.... jeez everyone knows that wearing dark boot with a dirty butt is so Bourgeoisie --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got a nice black pair of size 10 1/2 with a silver > toe rand on them. Will those work? ;-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:15:48 AM Eastern > Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I'm thinking cowboy boots. What size? > > > > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer > > wrote: > > > > --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Fish, > > > > > > Alpinestars makes several different boots that > probably > > > fit the bill for you. > > > > > > http://www.alpinestars.com/v2/v2html.htm > > > > > > I'd also like to recommend a boot up Gimer's ass. %^) > > > > does anyone have any suggestions in this regard? of > course > > comfort is a priority. and a pointy (as opposed to > round) > > toe would be preffered. perhaps something in an earthy > > tone.... > > > > > > > > -- > > tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 16:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8IK4fSi002827; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:04:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8IK4eds002816; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:04:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:57:16 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Message-ID: <119C4FA4.0012AABE.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well.....you're just too picky for me. I guess we'll have to call of our date. :-( Scooter In a message dated Wed, 18 Sep 2002 2:34:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > i said "earthy tone" dammit.... jeez > > everyone knows that wearing dark boot with a dirty butt is > so Bourgeoisie > > > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I've got a nice black pair of size 10 1/2 with a silver > > toe rand on them. Will those work? ;-) > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:15:48 AM Eastern > > Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking cowboy boots. What size? > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Fish, > > > > > > > > Alpinestars makes several different boots that > > probably > > > > fit the bill for you. > > > > > > > > http://www.alpinestars.com/v2/v2html.htm > > > > > > > > I'd also like to recommend a boot up Gimer's ass. %^) > > > > > > does anyone have any suggestions in this regard? of > > course > > > comfort is a priority. and a pointy (as opposed to > > round) > > > toe would be preffered. perhaps something in an earthy > > > tone.... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 21:42:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8J1gLSi004777; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:42:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8J1gIC1004758; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:42:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013e01c25f77$8d398820$24975b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:57:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 This and another recent boot thread have tickled a peeve. Just a personal headsup. Have looked over a bunch of boots the last few years and many were seductive -- good quality leather, waterproof, lined, suitable for my riding needs, etc. But a great percentage of the time there was a dealkiller - the soles. I've found, in my all-season, metro riding, a super-rugged sole has no substitute. I cant imagine some of the puny soles of good looking boots I've tried on and seen on the 'net getting the necessary adhesion job done on leafy, wet, striped, oily streets. (I've become addicted to grippy, luggy Vibrams -- $50 a resole, but even they have stuttered a couple of times on extreme conditions.) With all the other hazards of riding, darned if I want a slipped foot to ruin a day. Foot traction is a real, many times ignored, priority. Sloppy conditions acoming. There may be better soles -- I'm open. But there are so many that seem mediocre in comparison. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Keep me up -- tires while moving, soles while stopped. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 18 23:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8J38PSi005359; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:08:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8J38OK7005344; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:08:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016001c25f82$d50ecf60$24975b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: From the Front -- DC DMV insp'n -- pedantic Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:18:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 A trip to DC DMV this a.m. gave no major frowns but did have twists of possible interest. Sooooo, adding to the current lore regarding this chameleon of a place: o Arrived about 10:20 (mid-morning, mid-month, purposely picked). About 25-30 vehicles stretched around the block, maybe an hour or two wait. o I go directly to the Line-Potentate-of-the-Hour at the front-of-line street entrance and ask about "whether he'd like to handle my bike separately -- I'd heard it was easier for them". He ponders for a second, then says "Sure. Slide in behind that car." I do. I grin internally. o I continue to the Bay entrance as directed (busy morning, all bays seem open). In the 15 minutes its gotten a bit hot in the direct sun *(tho I'd immediately un-'Stich'ed when I arrived in line.). o Cars seem to be processed at a snail's pace. Finally just prior to the bay I'm asked to pull to side of main line (as I won't be going through the bay on a bike -- cars, incidentally, are driven through by insprs while owners wait inside). o Inspr asks for registration, asks what year my bike is after I hand it to him, and disappears. 3 min. later another shows up and asks for reg'n. I tell him I'm being taken care of, but he runs lights, horn, brakelight, turnsignal and directs me, after reg'n returned, to go around bldg to other end of this bay and wait for pprwk, to come after that of the car in line prior to me. He comments about "nice bike" -- I say I recently washed it and keep it on the concrete (it is pretty sparkly currently). I have the feeling that a clean bike scores points here. I also have the feeling they are making conversation for official comfort reasons (ownership, experience, etc.) o I arrive at other end of bay, pull up at divider, and wait. In the sun, though the day not yet a baker . It takes a long time (20 min?) for the prior car to pass through. Then, from the left, an inspr appears and yells to another "Nope, we have to do the brakes on this one" and points to my bike. Thoughts occur of hours to be spent defending my bike from mounting by a stranger (mention previously made on this list). o I wait apprehensively but show no fear, smiling and posing nonchalantly as though my last name is Bush. 10 min. later another inspr appears with a handheld gadget and hovers over my VIN number, acting like the Secret Service. Frowns, pecks away, no comment. I come up with "Checking my VIN?" "Yup." He goes away. It occurs that perhaps my lane is a trainee lane and a checklist item is being completed (shouldn't a VIN check come first?). o Another inspr type (5 or 6 by this time) emerges from the bay, sheet and sticker fluttering. He hands me the sheet. I quickly note "inspection approved" "brake test -- waived" "emissions test -- waived". I fold it, ready for the next skirmish as he walks around bike with the oversized 5x7? sticker. o I say I'd like an MC plate sticker, pointing to my current 1x2-1/2. He says "discontinued". I say "Are you positive". He says "Yup." We chat about alternatives. Lower front fork no good because of non-shiny, "won't stick", nature of tube. A separate plate discussed but he won't let me leave with unattached sticker -- I'd have to come back with plate. Not for me. o Finally, with my consent he attaches sticker to upper (non-slidy, but internal, shiny) part of fork tube. I decide to mockup little sticker for license plate saying "see front left fork tube" to keep ignorant police at bay. o On the road about 11:10. Not too painful as I look at still long line and chalk up another benny for bikes. Wondering what surprises await next registration/inspection. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Do I get an extra polish for smiling at all those insprs? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 07:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JBTLSi008408; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:29:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JBTHET008389; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:29:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D89B64C.79013F9D@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:34:36 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: From the Front -- DC DMV insp'n -- pedantic References: <016001c25f82$d50ecf60$24975b0c@micron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 5 X 7? Whoa, even VA's inspection sticker isn't that big, but VA doesn't have an M/C size sticker either. Technically, the sticker has to be attached to bike frame (forks), but mine is on a plate bolted to the frame. Our new NOVA parking stickers are supposed to go on the fork. At least one Harley rider with chromed forks screamed NO WAY! Sez me with aluminum forks, "Way cool! I can pick out a nasty AL corrosion spot and cover it with the sticker!" Might even move the next inspection sticker to the forks... Bill "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: > A trip to DC DMV this a.m. gave no major frowns but did have twists of > possible interest. Sooooo, adding to the current lore regarding this > chameleon of a place: > > o Arrived about 10:20 (mid-morning, mid-month, purposely picked). About > 25-30 vehicles stretched around the block, maybe an hour or two wait. > > o I go directly to the Line-Potentate-of-the-Hour at the front-of-line > street entrance and ask about "whether he'd like to handle my bike > separately -- I'd heard it was easier for them". He ponders for a second, > then says "Sure. Slide in behind that car." I do. I grin internally. > > o I continue to the Bay entrance as directed (busy morning, all bays seem > open). In the 15 minutes its gotten a bit hot in the direct sun *(tho I'd > immediately un-'Stich'ed when I arrived in line.). > > o Cars seem to be processed at a snail's pace. Finally just prior to the > bay I'm asked to pull to side of main line (as I won't be going through the > bay on a bike -- cars, incidentally, are driven through by insprs while > owners wait inside). > > o Inspr asks for registration, asks what year my bike is after I hand it to > him, and disappears. 3 min. later another shows up and asks for reg'n. I > tell him I'm being taken care of, but he runs lights, horn, brakelight, > turnsignal and directs me, after reg'n returned, to go around bldg to other > end of this bay and wait for pprwk, to come after that of the car in line > prior to me. He comments about "nice bike" -- I say I recently washed it > and keep it on the concrete (it is pretty sparkly currently). I have the > feeling that a clean bike scores points here. I also have the feeling they > are making conversation for official comfort reasons (ownership, experience, > etc.) > > o I arrive at other end of bay, pull up at divider, and wait. In the sun, > though the day not yet a baker . It takes a long time (20 min?) for the > prior car to pass through. Then, from the left, an inspr appears and yells > to another "Nope, we have to do the brakes on this one" and points to my > bike. Thoughts occur of hours to be spent defending my bike from mounting > by a stranger (mention previously made on this list). > > o I wait apprehensively but show no fear, smiling and posing nonchalantly > as though my last name is Bush. 10 min. later another inspr appears with a > handheld gadget and hovers over my VIN number, acting like the Secret > Service. Frowns, pecks away, no comment. I come up with "Checking my VIN?" > "Yup." He goes away. It occurs that perhaps my lane is a trainee lane and > a checklist item is being completed (shouldn't a VIN check come first?). > > o Another inspr type (5 or 6 by this time) emerges from the bay, sheet and > sticker fluttering. He hands me the sheet. I quickly note "inspection > approved" "brake test -- waived" "emissions test -- waived". I fold it, > ready for the next skirmish as he walks around bike with the oversized 5x7? > sticker. > > o I say I'd like an MC plate sticker, pointing to my current 1x2-1/2. He > says "discontinued". I say "Are you positive". He says "Yup." We chat > about alternatives. Lower front fork no good because of non-shiny, "won't > stick", nature of tube. A separate plate discussed but he won't let me > leave with unattached sticker -- I'd have to come back with plate. Not for > me. > > o Finally, with my consent he attaches sticker to upper (non-slidy, but > internal, shiny) part of fork tube. I decide to mockup little sticker for > license plate saying "see front left fork tube" to keep ignorant police at > bay. > > o On the road about 11:10. Not too painful as I look at still long line > and chalk up another benny for bikes. Wondering what surprises await next > registration/inspection. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > Do I get an extra polish for smiling at all those insprs? > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 09:43:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JDh9Si009319; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:43:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JDh8XC009307; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:43:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017001c25fd7$72060640$24975b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Re: From the Front -- DC DMV insp'n -- pedantic Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:23:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 It looked 11x14 to me at the time but, yes, in fact it is a just-measured mere 2-1/4 x 5-1/4. The inspr tried to put it on long-way-vertical and it took a few "no-no" moments to get him to wrap it "horizontal". Don't quite understand his desire to do vertical. The sticker in place is rather unobtrusive I'll have to admit. Basically clear with a green tint and black print, unlike the opaque white Va. stickers. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Feels like I've been tattooed Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. William Huson excepted: 5 X 7? Whoa, even VA's inspection sticker isn't that big, but VA doesn't have an M/C size sticker either. Technically, the sticker has to be attached to bike frame (forks), but mine is on a plate bolted to the frame. Our new NOVA parking stickers are supposed to go on the fork. At least one Harley rider with chromed forks screamed NO WAY! Sez me with aluminum forks, "Way cool! I can pick out a nasty AL corrosion spot and cover it with the sticker!" Might even move the next inspection sticker to the forks... Bill "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: > A trip to DC DMV this a.m. gave no major frowns but did have twists of > possible interest. Sooooo, adding to the current lore regarding this > chameleon of a place: . . . snip as he walks around bike with the oversized 5x7? > sticker. . . .. snip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 11:22:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JFMdSi010182; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:22:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JFMZhq010163; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:22:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ninja 250 for sale Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:24:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8JFMYSi010151 A friend of mine is selling her ninja 250. I believe she wants $1200 for it. I believe it's a red 2000 model. If interested, contact me off list for her phone #, she'd trying to sell it very soon because she needs the money. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 11:47:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JFlUSi010459; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:47:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JFlTrf010450; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:47:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020919154727.85379.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <119C4FA4.0012AABE.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii date? shit, man.... i was just gonna nail you. --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Well.....you're just too picky for me. I guess we'll > have to call of our date. :-( > > Scooter > > In a message dated Wed, 18 Sep 2002 2:34:30 PM Eastern > Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > i said "earthy tone" dammit.... jeez > > > > everyone knows that wearing dark boot with a dirty butt > is > > so Bourgeoisie > > > > > > > > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I've got a nice black pair of size 10 1/2 with a > silver > > > toe rand on them. Will those work? ;-) > > > > > > Scooter > > > > > > In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:15:48 AM > Eastern > > > Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking cowboy boots. What size? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 11:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JFvLSi010656; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:57:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JFvKF4010648; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:57:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020919155707.41034.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:57:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Clipped by a cager To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Last night as I was my moving left in my lane (but apparently not fast enough), the car behind me sped up to pass and clipped me. It hit my elbow and my front right foot peg. I didn't go down, but also wasn't able to get a good look at the car that hit me, as there was a whole bunch of traffic, and my immediate concern was keeping the bike upright. The car didn't stop. Luckily, I was wearing my leather jacket w/ elbow pads so I was ok, but my peg needs to be replaced. Man, was I pissed. They should ban cages ... and let's be careful out there. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 11:58:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JFwnSi010796; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:58:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JFwnxx010791; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:58:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 19 Sep 2002 15:58:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020919155845.1701.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Boot recommendations? X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Gimer tried to hide - >date? shit, man.... i was just gonna nail you. [Dave] That was pretty cold what you did to Chuck... coating your @$$ with icy hot... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:02:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JG2ZSi010881; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:02:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JG2ZUJ010874; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:02:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C36C@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Clipped by a cager Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:02:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" First... I am glad you are ok.... Secondly, WTF.... They didn't stop, that sucks... They could have knocked you down in traffic - sheesh. Where'd it happen, maybe you will get lucky and somebody saw something (unlikley)... Jason -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Blanck [mailto:thelostshark@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Clipped by a cager Last night as I was my moving left in my lane (but apparently not fast enough), the car behind me sped up to pass and clipped me. It hit my elbow and my front right foot peg. I didn't go down, but also wasn't able to get a good look at the car that hit me, as there was a whole bunch of traffic, and my immediate concern was keeping the bike upright. The car didn't stop. Luckily, I was wearing my leather jacket w/ elbow pads so I was ok, but my peg needs to be replaced. Man, was I pissed. They should ban cages ... and let's be careful out there. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JG6CSi011034; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:06:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JG6B4k011027; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:06:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 19 Sep 2002 16:06:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020919160610.4409.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >Last night as I was my moving left in my lane (but >apparently not fast enough), the car behind me sped up >to pass and clipped me. [Dave] What's the law on shooting a fleeing felon (not stopping is a felony in VA) ? If it's illegal, we need to lobby the legilature to change that. Glad you're ok... It hit my elbow and my front >right foot peg. I didn't go down, but also wasn't >able to get a good look at the car that hit me, as >there was a whole bunch of traffic, and my immediate >concern was keeping the bike upright. The car didn't >stop. Luckily, I was wearing my leather jacket w/ >elbow pads so I was ok, but my peg needs to be >replaced. Man, was I pissed. They should ban cages [Dave] It's not the cage, it's the BDC. That's pretty scary. Where was this? Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JGCPSi011304; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:12:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JGCPE3011299; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:12:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:06:30 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exupbrotherhood@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Fall Clearance At HelmetDepot.com! All New Reduced Prices! Message-ID: <2A0543B5.6DB5DBFB.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just got this on my e-mail. Some pretty good deals. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 19 Sep 2002 4:55:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, list@XXXXXX writes: > Fall clearance sale at HelmetDepot.com! Lots of new product! All new reduced pricing! > We have brand name high quality motorcycle accessories and apparel. Some products are being liquidated at below cost. Most products are being sold for significant discounts off of retail pricing. In some cases prices have been reduced up to 70% off! > > Click Here To View This Month's Specials > > Just some of the many products available: > > Street Helmets > MX Helmets > Gloves > Boots > Leather suits > Leather jackets > Textile jackets > Shields > Parts & Accessories > And Much More > > Click Here To View This Month's Specials > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > If you would like to be removed from this mailing list please send an email to list@XXXXXX with the word > "remove" in the subject line. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:14:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JGEeSi011453; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:14:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JGEdZ9011444; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:14:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:10:21 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boot recommendations? Message-ID: <3DE739E2.4F0A8E5B.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry. I don't do one night stands. LOL Scooter In a message dated Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:47:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > date? shit, man.... i was just gonna nail you. > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well.....you're just too picky for me. I guess we'll > > have to call of our date. :-( > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated Wed, 18 Sep 2002 2:34:30 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > i said "earthy tone" dammit.... jeez > > > > > > everyone knows that wearing dark boot with a dirty butt > > is > > > so Bourgeoisie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I've got a nice black pair of size 10 1/2 with a > > silver > > > > toe rand on them. Will those work? ;-) > > > > > > > > Scooter > > > > > > > > In a message dated Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:15:48 AM > > Eastern > > > > Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking cowboy boots. What size? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JGPPSi011683; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:25:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JGPNdq011660; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:25:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020919162521.22135.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020919160610.4409.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It was in DC on Mass. Ave., west of the 395 on ramp; and yeah, shooting a fleeing felon seems perfect; --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Last night as I was my moving left in my lane (but > >apparently not fast enough), the car behind me sped > up > >to pass and clipped me. > > [Dave] What's the law on shooting a fleeing felon > (not stopping is a felony in VA) ? If it's illegal, > we need to lobby the legilature to change that. > Glad you're ok... > > It hit my elbow and my front > >right foot peg. I didn't go down, but also wasn't > >able to get a good look at the car that hit me, as > >there was a whole bunch of traffic, and my > immediate > >concern was keeping the bike upright. The car > didn't > >stop. Luckily, I was wearing my leather jacket w/ > >elbow pads so I was ok, but my peg needs to be > >replaced. Man, was I pissed. They should ban > cages > > [Dave] It's not the cage, it's the BDC. That's > pretty scary. Where was this? > > Dave > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Powered by Wild On Web: > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from > Anywhere in the World! > http://www.wildonweb.com > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:57:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JGvPSi011968; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:57:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JGvPgj011960; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:57:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D33@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Boot recommendations? Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:57:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Gee, no one suggested Coleen? You can try 'em on. http://members.aol.com/MotorLE/boots.html Cycles Accessories Discount in Gaithersburg occasionally have a selection. Heysers annual clearance is coming up Oct.5 Ya pay sales tax but no schlepping charge. Fish mentioned, "And it wasn't that expensive... got it used from New Enough. Yay cheap gear." Aww you already know. Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 12:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JGxnSi012244; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:59:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JGxnK4012235; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:59:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Isaac Blanck , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:01:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020919160610.4409.qmail@server445.gisol.com> <20020919162521.22135.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020919162521.22135.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8JGxmSi012223 Could you remember the car if you saw it again? maybe you could post up where you got struck at, and maybe the person is a big dumb commuter who will travel the same route near the same time. Of course to forgive is one of the nobles virtues... so maybe you could just get the tag, and call the police, file charges, and get their insurance to pay for anything... as opposed to say burning their car with them in it. If only driving liscenses had an intelligence test you had to pass first. On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:25:21 -0700 (PDT), Isaac Blanck wrote: >It was in DC on Mass. Ave., west of the 395 on ramp; >and yeah, shooting a fleeing felon seems perfect; >--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> >Last night as I was my moving left in my lane (but >> >apparently not fast enough), the car behind me sped >> up >> >to pass and clipped me. >> >> [Dave] What's the law on shooting a fleeing felon >> (not stopping is a felony in VA) ? If it's illegal, >> we need to lobby the legilature to change that. >> Glad you're ok... >> >> It hit my elbow and my front >> >right foot peg. I didn't go down, but also wasn't >> >able to get a good look at the car that hit me, as >> >there was a whole bunch of traffic, and my >> immediate >> >concern was keeping the bike upright. The car >> didn't >> >stop. Luckily, I was wearing my leather jacket w/ >> >elbow pads so I was ok, but my peg needs to be >> >replaced. Man, was I pissed. They should ban >> cages >> >> [Dave] It's not the cage, it's the BDC. That's >> pretty scary. Where was this? >> >> Dave >> >> >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Powered by Wild On Web: >> Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from >> Anywhere in the World! >> http://www.wildonweb.com >> >|Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >> |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:00:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JH0SSi012285; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:00:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JH0SKa012280; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:00:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:00:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager In-Reply-To: <20020919155707.41034.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Isaac Blanck wrote: > ... and let's be careful out there. The same thing very nearly happened to me today, except the black Cavalier that just barely missed me was passing on my right doing about 150 as I was pulling from the left lane into the center lane. Wasn't in my mirrors -- going too fast, and coming from my blind spot in the right lane. Holy $@#!, nearly ended my riding career before it had had a chance to properly begin. Eek. Glad I signaled, as I hadn't reached the center of the lane yet -- he kept about half in the center lane, half in the right lane. Maybe he saw me. Maybe I just got lucky. *shudder* Of course, his ability to see me was no doubt greatly enhanced by my shiny new large-ass Maryland moto plate. I figure it's about two inches wider than the VA plate it replaces. Wonder why that is? Blind Marylanders, I guess. Fish. wishes he could spend more of his time blind... drunk, that is From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:01:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JH1mSi012558; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:01:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JH1lbi012551; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:01:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:03:09 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: thelostshark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager Message-ID: <17B8FC52.614AF80B.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmmm....just a couple blocks from my apartment. Wasn't me. ;-) Yep, they are lunatics around here. %-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:25:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, thelostshark@XXXXXX writes: > > > It was in DC on Mass. Ave., west of the 395 on ramp; > and yeah, shooting a fleeing felon seems perfect; > --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > >Last night as I was my moving left in my lane (but > > >apparently not fast enough), the car behind me sped > > up > > >to pass and clipped me. > > > > [Dave] What's the law on shooting a fleeing felon > > (not stopping is a felony in VA) ? If it's illegal, > > we need to lobby the legilature to change that. > > Glad you're ok... > > > > It hit my elbow and my front > > >right foot peg. I didn't go down, but also wasn't > > >able to get a good look at the car that hit me, as > > >there was a whole bunch of traffic, and my > > immediate > > >concern was keeping the bike upright. The car > > didn't > > >stop. Luckily, I was wearing my leather jacket w/ > > >elbow pads so I was ok, but my peg needs to be > > >replaced. Man, was I pissed. They should ban > > cages > > > > [Dave] It's not the cage, it's the BDC. That's > > pretty scary. Where was this? > > > > Dave > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Powered by Wild On Web: > > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from > > Anywhere in the World! > > http://www.wildonweb.com > > > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazi > nes|Diet| > > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JH46Si012715; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:04:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JH45Pq012698; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:04:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020919170403.75924.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020919162521.22135.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii only problem is that we're missing a felon here --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > It was in DC on Mass. Ave., west of the 395 on ramp; > and yeah, shooting a fleeing felon seems perfect; > --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > >Last night as I was my moving left in my lane (but > > >apparently not fast enough), the car behind me sped > > up > > >to pass and clipped me. > > > > [Dave] What's the law on shooting a fleeing felon > > (not stopping is a felony in VA) ? If it's illegal, > > we need to lobby the legilature to change that. > > Glad you're ok... > > > > It hit my elbow and my front > > >right foot peg. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:06:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JH6QSi012853; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:06:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JH6QQD012847; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:06:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020919170623.16897.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A Chevy Cavalier doing 150?! We'll assume you're using a little literary license here. Chris --- Fish Flowers wrote: > except the black Cavalier > that just barely missed me was passing on my right > doing about 150 as I __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:11:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JHBgSi012925; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:11:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JHBgjL012915; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:11:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 19 Sep 2002 17:11:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20020919171141.30250.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Clipped by a cager X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Dan-o longed for: >If only driving liscenses had an intelligence test you had to pass >first. [Dave] a couple of nights ago, there was a History 'Modern Marvels' show on the Autobahn. It was a good show for many reasons, they opened with a video of a GT3 exceeding 210mph, passing cops unmolested, and drivers that actually practiced lane discipline... History asserted that it cost about 1k to 1.5k USD to even GET a license in Germany, and that there were some traffic penalties that were considered serious - failing to yield to faster traffic among them. Afterwards, the next day at the office, I quizzed our German. He confirmed, it was Mondo expensive to be licensed there, and, if you were caught not signalling, failing to yield, driving while yakking, you would be stopped and parked for a while. He went on to say that you have to pass several different driving classes - city driving, night driving, Autobahn driving, THEORY - yes- there's an actual theory class on driving. And, you need to pass overwhelmingly ~95% or higher, not 75% like here... Of course, we have to face reality. Even if we got a utopia of traffic laws that really did make sense, there are so many generations of bad habits to undo, none of us would live to see reasonable driving conditions around here... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JHK2Si013226; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:20:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JHK1E1013215; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:20:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:19:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200209191319.AA331612734@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: FW: Fall Clearance At HelmetDepot.com! All New Reduced Prices! X-Mailer: Thanks for the lead. Still worth shopping around, though. The AGV Prisma gloves closeout price is $5 cheaper at Dennis Kirk! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:06:30 -0400 >Just got this on my e-mail. Some pretty good deals. > >Scooter > >In a message dated Thu, 19 Sep 2002 4:55:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, list@XXXXXX writes: > >> Fall clearance sale at HelmetDepot.com! Lots of new product! All new reduced pricing! >> We have brand name high quality motorcycle accessories and apparel. Some products are being liquidated at below cost. Most products are being sold for significant discounts off of retail pricing. In some cases prices have been reduced up to 70% off! >> >> Click Here To View This Month's Specials >> >> Just some of the many products available: >> >> Street Helmets >> MX Helmets >> Gloves >> Boots >> Leather suits >> Leather jackets >> Textile jackets >> Shields >> Parts & Accessories >> And Much More >> >> Click Here To View This Month's Specials >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> If you would like to be removed from this mailing list please send an email to list@XXXXXX with the word >> "remove" in the subject line. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:28:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JHSRSi013406; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:28:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JHSPP8013387; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:28:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <0A5C43B71EC8EE4F8393BCADE546841A0698DD@vie-its-exs02> From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: more motorcycle shops having sales Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:29:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I got a flyer in the mail from Motorcycle Factory, Inc. in Woodbridge, VA. www.motorcyclefactoryinc.com They are having an Open House this Saturday Sept 21. 20% off all parts and accessories including special orders. I went to their spring Open House and picked up some items that usually are list price at most stores (like a Shoei helmet shield). Rudy '01 SV650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JHgdSi013828; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:42:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JHgcHC013817; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:42:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020919174236.96241.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Other than it was red (and that it was a car, not a truck/suv), i got nothing; i think i'm sol on this one, altho Patti's idea is intriguing (and downright scary, when I think about it) --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Could you remember the car if you saw it again? > > maybe you could post up where you got struck at, and > maybe the person is a big dumb commuter who will > travel the same route near the same time. > > Of course to forgive is one of the nobles virtues... > so maybe you > could just get the tag, and call the police, file > charges, and get > their insurance to pay for anything... as opposed to > say > burning their car with them in it. > > If only driving liscenses had an intelligence test > you had to pass > first. > > > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:25:21 -0700 (PDT), Isaac > Blanck > wrote: > > >It was in DC on Mass. Ave., west of the 395 on > ramp; > >and yeah, shooting a fleeing felon seems perfect; > >--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > >> > >> >Last night as I was my moving left in my lane > (but > >> >apparently not fast enough), the car behind me > sped > >> up > >> >to pass and clipped me. > >> > >> [Dave] What's the law on shooting a fleeing > felon > >> (not stopping is a felony in VA) ? If it's > illegal, > >> we need to lobby the legilature to change that. > >> Glad you're ok... > >> > >> It hit my elbow and my front > >> >right foot peg. I didn't go down, but also > wasn't > >> >able to get a good look at the car that hit me, > as > >> >there was a whole bunch of traffic, and my > >> immediate > >> >concern was keeping the bike upright. The car > >> didn't > >> >stop. Luckily, I was wearing my leather jacket > w/ > >> >elbow pads so I was ok, but my peg needs to be > >> >replaced. Man, was I pissed. They should ban > >> cages > >> > >> [Dave] It's not the cage, it's the BDC. That's > >> pretty scary. Where was this? > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> Powered by Wild On Web: > >> Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from > >> Anywhere in the World! > >> http://www.wildonweb.com > >> > >|Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > >> > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > >http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JHvLSi014042; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:57:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JHvLS0014032; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:57:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020919175719.23120.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Elite Moto Cop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=156494 Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 13:59:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JHx9Si014088; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:59:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JHx9KG014079; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:59:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020919175907.25228.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=156449 Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 14:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JIDMSi014434; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:13:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JIDMP1014423; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:13:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000d01c26008$44ed4340$6501a8c0@laptop> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <20020919175907.25228.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:13:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 A more local report. http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story136785.html or just plug Viki Arrington into Google and see a bunch of hits. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=156449 > > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 14:33:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JIX5Si014813; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:33:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JIX4sI014803; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:33:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020919142923.023c18b8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:33:00 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <000d01c26008$44ed4340$6501a8c0@laptop> References: <20020919175907.25228.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:13 PM 9/19/2002, Bruce Norton wrote: >A more local report. >http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story136785.html "Carol Minton was thrown over Arrington's car, and her helmet was knocked off before she landed on the pavement. She died the next day of head injuries. Ron Minton was riding in front of her and was able to swerve out of the way. " She deserved the conviction - good to see the punishment fit the crime. Helmet flew off of her head? Little brain bucket I am sure. Too bad. Might have saved her life. Also curious that the husband was able to get out of the way but she was not. Would be interesting to know if she was a newer rider, had object fixation, or was just unable to avoid the collision. Worked on M and 17 today. Love that bike lot on M - many VFRs today. Hard to pay attention to the road with all the beautiful women walking around on their lunch hour ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 14:45:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JIjbSi015010; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:45:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JIjbee015003; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:45:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker From: Brian Roach To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020919142923.023c18b8@mail.troutman.org> References: <20020919175907.25228.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020919142923.023c18b8@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 19 Sep 2002 14:45:29 -0400 Message-Id: <1032461130.4059.24.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 14:33, Troutman wrote: > Helmet flew off of her head? Little brain bucket I am sure. Too > bad. Might have saved her life. Or not fastened - I've noticed that little gem on a number of American Iron enthusiasts as of late. Having tested a helmet's ability to stay on one's head a number of times at extremely high rates of speed and into large immovable objects... I can't see a properly fitted and fastened helmet "flying off" someone's head, especially considering the article stated it happened before she hit the ground. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 14:50:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JIo3Si015175; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:50:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JIo2Qh015169; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:50:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.201] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: Motorport Crash Test Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:48:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2002 18:48:55.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[34C089F0:01C2600D] Last night I hit the contents of a bag of cement (fell of the back of a truck I guess) on the I-270 S to Montrose Rd. East cloverleaf and lowsided. I slid approximately 150 feet. Half the asphalt was smooth, half was a bit rough (more porous). I slid through the shoulder where all the nasty rocks/glass/rustycans collect, about halfway through the slide. Here's the gear report: I was wearing an Arai Q/f, Held 2080 gloves, Motorport GP2 suit (2 piece with full circumference zip), Wind boots (the 'cheapest' item I was wearing - at least my $$$$$ Daytona's were sitting at home... :P). The suit has several tears and holes where the armor and street made a kevlar sandwich. The left elbow has a 1" in the first layer of fabric. The right forearm and front right leg (from the lower thigh down) looks like a shoe a dog chewed on. The first layer is torn/worn in these areas. From what I recall (the suit is at home right now), there is no damage to any of the armor, nor is there any penetration through all layers of the suit. The suit did an outstanding job of abrasion protection. This suit is a blend of 1000 denier cordura and Keprotec (kevlar fabric made by Schoeller). It's 100% breathable (the air passes right through it). Supposedly the coolest suit on the market. The armor in the suit clearly protected me from bruises, etc. The initial impact with the asphalt (my right shoulder) was from about 12" up or so (I was leaned over). About half way through I went from head first on the right side to feet first on the left with a 180 deg. spin. From the looks of things I slid though a pretty nasty pothole (about 2" deep) at the 90% complete mark. The last time I went bowling I was more sore than I am now. My right glove was pinned underneath me initially. My right hand hit right after my right leg, and since I slid face down forward, my right arm was basically down the front of my body (sort of like I was checking the jewels ;) ). The carbon fiber on the knuckles was ground through the hard plastic into the fibers. There's a small pinhole through the first layer of leather of one of the fingers (looking with the palm down). Other than the CF damage, the gloves held up well - just a bit scratched up elsewhere. The outside of the right boot is all scuffed up. The ankle strap is a bit torn, but held up. I was not wearing my daytona roadstar GTXs. The bike is bad. It hit the curb of the median tank first. There's a lot of busted up parts (including a split tank)... I have a dime sized bit of 'lining burn' on my left elbow - that's it. Motoport is good shit... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 14:53:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JIr0Si015332; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:53:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JIr0ZF015322; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:53:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:52:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <1032461130.4059.24.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 19 Sep 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > > Helmet flew off of her head? Little brain bucket I am sure. Too > > bad. Might have saved her life. > > Or not fastened - I've noticed that little gem on a number of American > Iron enthusiasts as of late. Heh. My newbie mistake for Tuesday was forgetting to strap down my helmet before I hit the road. Am an idiot. Noticed about .5mi down the road, immediately pulled over and fastened it. Strangely, forehead-slaps don't have as great a salutary effect through a full-face helmet, even if it isn't strapped down. Fish. anyone know anything about lagrange points and orbital physics? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 14:57:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JIvQSi015487; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:57:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JIvQm1015481; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:57:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:57:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Motorport Crash Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Paul Hutchins wrote: > Motoport is good shit... Glad to hear you're intact. Out of curiosity, do you have a guess as to your speed when you hit the asphalt? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 15:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8JJOwSi015839; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:24:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8JJOvcM015830; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:24:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020919192455.23818.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020919175907.25228.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii .38 percent BAC? jesus, this broad could hang with mr. peer!!! -- tg (not worthy) --- Chris Weaver wrote: > http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=156449 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 20:02:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8K02JSi017604; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:02:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8K02HWS017590; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:02:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:01:18 -0400 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: dccycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Mike you summed up my thoughts on the article exactly. Lisa Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:33:00 -0400 From: Troutman Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker At 02:13 PM 9/19/2002, Bruce Norton wrote: >A more local report. >http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story136785.html "Carol Minton was thrown over Arrington's car, and her helmet was knocked off before she landed on the pavement. She died the next day of head injuries. Ron Minton was riding in front of her and was able to swerve out of the way. " She deserved the conviction - good to see the punishment fit the crime. Helmet flew off of her head? Little brain bucket I am sure. Too bad. Might have saved her life. Also curious that the husband was able to get out of the way but she was not. Would be interesting to know if she was a newer rider, had object fixation, or was just unable to avoid the collision. Worked on M and 17 today. Love that bike lot on M - many VFRs today. Hard to pay attention to the road with all the beautiful women walking around on their lunch hour ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 19 23:04:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8K34xSi018666; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:04:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8K34uQu018647; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:04:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001601c26051$ff9d1fa0$5b402c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:01:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX .38 percent BAC? jesus, this broad could hang with mr. peer!!! -- tg (not worthy) -------------------------------- Yeah, I'm gonna miss her....;) She was one of the good ones, never mixing her chemicals or desiring to stuff boots up other peoples asses!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 07:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KBJQSi021310; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:19:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KBJPmk021298; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:19:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:19:19 EDT Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/19/2002 1:00:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > I figure it's about two inches wider > than the VA plate it replaces. When I began riding (in FL) the tags were tin, about twice as wide as most MC tags are now, and about half as high. Rectangles with about 1inch sheared off of each corner at a 45deg. angle, no rounding off at all. Man those bastards were sharp! In the old pre-turn signal days passengers would dismount by simply standing as the bike came to a stop and let the bike come out from under them, easy, fun, looked cool. But dear god, if you did not spread your legs far enough.... Some of us still have scars. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 07:19:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KBJcSi021340; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:19:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KBJcer021334; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:19:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002a01c26097$9abd4a60$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC Cycles _DCC" References: <001601c26051$ff9d1fa0$5b402c42@c9rnf01> Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:19:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Just think if you must, .40 BAC is considered legally dead. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:24:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > .38 percent BAC? jesus, this broad could hang with mr. > peer!!! > > > -- > tg (not worthy) > -------------------------------- > Yeah, I'm gonna miss her....;) > > She was one of the good ones, never mixing her chemicals or desiring to > stuff boots up other peoples asses!! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 07:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KBWNSi021849; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:32:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KBWN0Z021841; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:32:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:32:14 EDT Subject: Re: Clipped by a cager To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/19/2002 1:12:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > none of us would live to see reasonable driving conditions around here... > True, on so many levels. For many, many years I have said that driving tests should be so hard that one third to one half of current drivers would never be able to pass Not only would that make the roads safer but by throwing thousands of people onto public transportation it would render public transport profitable and practical, even in places where it is not now, so you would not need to drive. Reduce pollution, save huge amounts of fuel (Oil? we do not need your stinking oil!) No more need to pave the world.... I cannot even imagine all the benefits. Of course all the people who benefit from the American driving mania would not benefit, local governments, cops, car companies, gas companies. But what the hell, those folks aint got no power, do they? My father has a simpler solution, outlaw automatic transmissions, should put about the same number of folks off the road. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 07:39:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KBdmSi022112; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:39:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KBdmV8022107; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:39:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <72.22d2b01f.2abc62f9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:39:37 EDT Subject: Re: Beautiful women walking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/19/2002 2:33:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Hard > to pay attention to the road with all the beautiful women walking around Yea! ought to outlaw... Aw crap what am I saying! Never mind. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 07:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KBt7Si022525; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:55:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KBt7sU022520; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:55:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kiss Ass Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:54:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2002 11:54:00.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[6868AB90:01C2609C] I have a better idea... rather than kissing soooo much ass around the DCDMV... move to Virginia... there are actually more than 2 DMV's/Gas stations to choose from and you don't have flagelate the help. A trip to DC DMV this a.m. gave no major frowns but did have twists of possible interest. Sooooo, adding to the current lore regarding this chameleon of a place: o Arrived about 10:20 (mid-morning, mid-month, purposely picked). About 25-30 vehicles stretched around the block, maybe an hour or two wait. o I go directly to the Line-Potentate-of-the-Hour at the front-of-line street entrance and ask about "whether he'd like to handle my bike separately -- I'd heard it was easier for them". He ponders for a second, then says "Sure. Slide in behind that car." I do. I grin internally. o I continue to the Bay entrance as directed (busy morning, all bays seem open). In the 15 minutes its gotten a bit hot in the direct sun *(tho I'd immediately un-'Stich'ed when I arrived in line.). o Cars seem to be processed at a snail's pace. Finally just prior to the bay I'm asked to pull to side of main line (as I won't be going through the bay on a bike -- cars, incidentally, are driven through by insprs while owners wait inside). o Inspr asks for registration, asks what year my bike is after I hand it to him, and disappears. 3 min. later another shows up and asks for reg'n. I tell him I'm being taken care of, but he runs lights, horn, brakelight, turnsignal and directs me, after reg'n returned, to go around bldg to other end of this bay and wait for pprwk, to come after that of the car in line prior to me. He comments about "nice bike" -- I say I recently washed it and keep it on the concrete (it is pretty sparkly currently). I have the feeling that a clean bike scores points here. I also have the feeling they are making conversation for official comfort reasons (ownership, experience, etc.) o I arrive at other end of bay, pull up at divider, and wait. In the sun, though the day not yet a baker . It takes a long time (20 min?) for the prior car to pass through. Then, from the left, an inspr appears and yells to another "Nope, we have to do the brakes on this one" and points to my bike. Thoughts occur of hours to be spent defending my bike from mounting by a stranger (mention previously made on this list). o I wait apprehensively but show no fear, smiling and posing nonchalantly as though my last name is Bush. 10 min. later another inspr appears with a handheld gadget and hovers over my VIN number, acting like the Secret Service. Frowns, pecks away, no comment. I come up with "Checking my VIN?" "Yup." He goes away. It occurs that perhaps my lane is a trainee lane and a checklist item is being completed (shouldn't a VIN check come first?). o Another inspr type (5 or 6 by this time) emerges from the bay, sheet and sticker fluttering. He hands me the sheet. I quickly note "inspection approved" "brake test -- waived" "emissions test -- waived". I fold it, ready for the next skirmish as he walks around bike with the oversized 5x7? sticker. o I say I'd like an MC plate sticker, pointing to my current 1x2-1/2. He says "discontinued". I say "Are you positive". He says "Yup." We chat about alternatives. Lower front fork no good because of non-shiny, "won't stick", nature of tube. A separate plate discussed but he won't let me leave with unattached sticker -- I'd have to come back with plate. Not for me. o Finally, with my consent he attaches sticker to upper (non-slidy, but internal, shiny) part of fork tube. I decide to mockup little sticker for license plate saying "see front left fork tube" to keep ignorant police at bay. o On the road about 11:10. Not too painful as I look at still long line and chalk up another benny for bikes. Wondering what surprises await next registration/inspection. Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 08:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KCQvSi023009; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:26:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KCQuRS022998; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:26:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920082428.00bb6408@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:26:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Moto-cop Competition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone going to the Motorcycle Cop competitions in Rockville this weekend? Just watched a blurb on Fox5 this morning, (of course it's Holly Morris there, she must have a thing for bikers). Said it's being held in Rockville, across the street from the Regal Cinemas..where ever that is. The competition is starting tomorrow but they're practicing all day today. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 08:43:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KChESi023334; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:43:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KChE2g023327; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:43:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Moto-cop Competition Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:42:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920082428.00bb6408@pop.east.cox.net> Importance: Normal I plan on being there. I want to see how the beemers do. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Aki Damme asked: Anyone going to the Motorcycle Cop competitions in Rockville this weekend? Just watched a blurb on Fox5 this morning, (of course it's Holly Morris there, she must have a thing for bikers). Said it's being held in Rockville, across the street from the Regal Cinemas..where ever that is. The competition is starting tomorrow but they're practicing all day today. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 08:44:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KCivSi023582; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:44:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KCiuxO023575; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:44:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920084427.00ba90e8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:44:48 -0400 To: "LindaT." , "DC-CYCLES" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Moto-cop Competition In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920082428.00bb6408@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It's on Fox5 right now..for you domestically landlocked.... At 08:42 AM 9/20/2002 -0400, LindaT. wrote: >I plan on being there. I want to see how the beemers do. > >LindaT. >Custom TankBags >Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings >Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) >AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) >00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing >http://www.customtankbags.com > >Aki Damme asked: >Anyone going to the Motorcycle Cop competitions in Rockville this >weekend? Just watched >a blurb on Fox5 this morning, (of course it's Holly Morris there, she must >have a thing for bikers). > >Said it's being held in Rockville, across the street from the Regal >Cinemas..where ever that is. > >The competition is starting tomorrow but they're practicing all day today. > >cheers, >-aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 08:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KCo9Si023857; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:50:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KCo8Bx023851; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:50:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 20 Sep 2002 12:50:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020920125006.23443.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kiss Ass X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Adam spoke the cry of Freedom - >I have a better idea... rather than kissing soooo much ass around the >DCDMV... move to Virginia... there are actually more than 2 DMV's/Gas >stations to choose from and you don't have flagelate the help. [Dave] I've found the DMV in VA are more courteous, responsive and I usually start off the conversation - when I must go - with 'Hey, I didn't see any signs - no problem with my gun right ?' I've found MD MVA (especially Waldorf) to be the most confrontational, adversarial, rude, unprofessional, uncooperative group of talking monkeys to inhabit the earth. I'm sure there are a couple people there that are ok, but by and large, they just don't care. AND, Maryland's complaint process consists of a round file. Of course, it's not easy to just uproot & move so telling people to Move to avoid the DMV is kind of tilting at windmills... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 08:55:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KCt7Si024128; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:55:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KCt7IL024123; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:55:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8B1BEE.89052A15@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:00:30 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "S. Russell" CC: Todd Peer , DC Cycles _DCC Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker References: <001601c26051$ff9d1fa0$5b402c42@c9rnf01> <002a01c26097$9abd4a60$9865fea9@Godzilla> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "S. Russell" wrote: > Just think if you must, .40 BAC is considered legally dead. I think it's closer to .60 to be dead. But .38 and still conscious is kind of amazing. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 09:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KD0aSi024402; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:00:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KD0aI4024397; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:00:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:00:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Kiss Ass In-Reply-To: <20020920125006.23443.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Sep 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > I've found MD MVA (especially Waldorf) to be the most confrontational, > adversarial, rude, unprofessional, uncooperative group of talking > monkeys to inhabit the earth. Agree comments and sentiment... though, actually, I was just at the Annapolis MVA yesterday, and they were not the jaded, bitter fuckos who I've encountered at Glen Burnie, Largo, and Beltsville. Recommend Annapolis. But be nice to them, don't spoil them for me. Actually, come to think of it, New Jersey's DMV employees are worse than the worst of MD's. I think they win for all-out bastardliness. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 09:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KDFNSi024715; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:15:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KDFMdQ024709; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:15:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 20 Sep 2002 13:15:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020920131521.29327.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) You know... This hasn't made many headlines. That's a stiff sentence, and well out of the norm for a traffic death (although it shouldn't be). Why hasn't this generated headlines on TV? That's a pretty strong incentive not to drink & drive, even though this POS was a habitual drunkard & repeat offender. Dave --------Original Message-------- >"S. Russell" wrote: >> Just think if you must, .40 BAC is considered legally dead. >I think it's closer to .60 to be dead. But .38 and still conscious is kind >of amazing. >Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 09:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KDQkSi025084; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:26:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KDQknv025077; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:26:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51EC9EC@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC Cycles _DCC Subject: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:27:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had a friend in college get sent to the hospital on his 21st and when another friend picked him up they said he reached 4 times the legal limit, which would be .32 in VA. There is no way he could have even started a car if he wanted to. -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:01 AM To: S. Russell Cc: Todd Peer; DC Cycles _DCC Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker But .38 and still conscious is kind of amazing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 09:29:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KDT7Si025366; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:29:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KDT7Jk025355; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:29:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920092544.00bc6968@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:28:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: OT: THE COLLEGE THEME PAPER: HE VS. SHE... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Remember the book "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus"? Well, here's a prime example offered by an English professor at an American University. "Today we will experiment with a new form called the tandem story. The process is simple. Each person will pair off with the person sitting to his or her immediate right. One of you will then write the first paragraph of a short story. The partner will read the first paragraph and then add another paragraph to the story. The first person will then add a third paragraph, and so on back and forth. Remember to re-read what has been written each time in order to keep the story coherent. There is to be absolutely NO talking and anything you wish to say must be written on the paper. The story is over when both agree a conclusion has been reached." The following was actually turned in by two of my English students: Rebecca -last name deleted, and Gary - last name deleted. -------------------------------------------------------------- STORY: (first paragraph by Rebecca) At first, Laurie couldn't decide which kind of tea she wanted. The chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home, now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times, that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So chamomile was out of the question. ------------------------------------------------------ (second paragraph by Gary) Meanwhile, Advance Sergeant Carl Harris, leader of the attack squadron now in orbit over Skylon 4, had more important things to think about than the neuroses of an air-headed asthmatic bimbo named Laurie with whom he had spent one sweaty night over a year ago. "A.S. Harris to Geostation 17, he said into his transgalactic communicator. "Polar orbit established. No sign of resistance so far..." But before he could sign off, a bluish particle beam flashed out of nowhere and blasted a hole through his ship's cargo bay. The jolt from the direct hit sent him flying out of his seat and across the cockpit. ---------------------------------------------------------- (Rebecca) He bumped his head and died almost immediately but not before he felt one last pang of regret for psychically brutalizing the one woman who had ever had feelings for him. Soon afterwards, Earth stopped its pointlesst hostilities towards the peaceful farmers of Skylon 4. "Congress Passes Law Permanently Abolishing War and Space Travel," Laurie read in her newspaper one morning. The news simultaneously excited her and bored her. She stared out the window, dreaming of her youth, when the days had passed unhurriedly and carefree, with no newspapers to read, no television to distract her from her sense of innocent wonder at all the beautiful things around her. "Why must one lose one's innocence to become a woman?" she pondered wistfully. --------------------------------------------------------- (Gary) Little did she know, but she had less than 10 seconds to live. Thousands of miles above the city, the Anu'udrian mothership launched the first of its lithium fusion missiles. The dim-witted wimpy peaceniks who pushed the Unilateral Aerospace Disarmament Treaty through the congress had left Earth a defenseless target for the hostile alien empires who were determined to destroy the human race. Within two hours after the passage of the treaty the Anu'udrian ships were on course for Earth, carrying enough firepower to pulverize the entire planet. With no one to stop them, they swiftly initiated their diabolical plan. The lithium fusion missile entered the atmosphere unimpeded. The President, in his top-secret Mobile submarine headquarters on the ocean floor off the coast of Guam, felt the inconceivably massive explosion, which vaporized poor, stupid, Laurie and 85 million other Americans. The President slammed his fist on the conference table. "We can't allow this! I'm going to veto that treaty! Let's blow 'em out of the sky!" ---------------------------------------------------------- (Rebecca) This is absurd. I refuse to continue this mockery of literature. My writing partner is a violent, chauvinistic semi-literate adolescent. ---------------------------------------------------------- (Gary) Yeah? Well, you're a self-centered tedious neurotic whose attempts at writing are the literary equivalent of Valium. "Oh shall I have chamomile tea? Or shall I have some other sort of F*CKING TEA??? Oh no, I'm an air headed bimbo who reads too many Danielle Steele novels." ---------------------------------------------------------- (Rebecca) Asshole. ---------------------------------------------------------- (Gary) Bitch. ---------------------------------------------------------- (Rebecca) Wanker. ---------------------------------------------------------- (Gary) Slut. --------------------------------------------------------- (Rebecca) Get fucked. ---------------------------------------------------------- (Gary) Eat shit. -------------------------------------------------------- (Rebecca) FUCK YOU - YOU NEANDERTHAL!!! ---------------------------------------------------------- (Gary) Go drink some tea - whore. ********************************************** (Teacher) A+ - I really liked this one From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 09:38:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KDcISi025673; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:38:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KDcHuE025667; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:38:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: sdave@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kiss Ass In-Reply-To: <20020920125006.23443.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >I have a better idea... rather than kissing soooo much ass around the > >DCDMV... move to Virginia... there are actually more than 2 DMV's/Gas > >stations to choose from and you don't have flagelate the help. > > [Dave] I've found the DMV in VA are more courteous, responsive and I usually start off the conversation - when I must go - with 'Hey, I didn't see any signs - no problem with my gun right ?' > When I moved up here earlier this year from NC I was expecting major hassles getting my 4 vehicles registered. I used the DMV in Leesburg. No hassles, friendly and gasp... quick service. They even cut me major slack on my motorcycle permit which was way expired and let me get my license without going through the permit>license wait period. Nothing like the NC DMV which derives its pleasure by the number of people they turn down for anything. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 09:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KDd6Si025829; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:39:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KDd55M025825; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:39:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920133903.23376.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: Rich Hall , DC Cycles _DCC In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51EC9EC@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes, but if we started the car for him, my bet is he could have driven it down the wrong side of the highway for 5 minutes like this idiot did.... this is an interesting case. why the hell someone would plead guilty to second degree murder under these circumstances is beyond me. were the words "public defender" mentioned in any articles? i think .38 and still conscious is easily doable for hard-core alcoholics.... i was just surprised that it was a woman --- Rich Hall wrote: > I had a friend in college get sent to the hospital on his > 21st and when > another friend picked him up they said he reached 4 times > the legal limit, > which would be .32 in VA. There is no way he could have > even started a car > if he wanted to. > > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:01 AM > To: S. Russell > Cc: Todd Peer; DC Cycles _DCC > Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker > > But .38 and still conscious is kind of amazing. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 09:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KDoiSi026256; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:50:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KDoiAj026248; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:50:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8B28FC.786465A1@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:56:12 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Rich Hall , DC Cycles _DCC Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker References: <20020920133903.23376.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > i think .38 and still conscious is easily doable for > hard-core alcoholics.... i was just surprised that it was a > woman > Why would that surprise you? Body wieght has an effect on alcohol, and maybe she was a wide-load. But all factors considered, many of the rip-roaring drunks I've known in my like were women. A few could drink our official dorm drunk under the table, a daunting task. Gender equality, man! Bill - a two-beer drunk who was taken advantage of by several girls with a capacity for hooch. Yes, I was easy... a slutpuppy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 10:15:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KEFDSi026790; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:15:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KEFDpm026782; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:15:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920101034.022282e0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:14:50 -0400 To: DC Cycles _DCC From: Troutman Subject: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51EC9EC@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed .8 became the legal limit very recently. A few years ago most states were set at .10. Uncle Sam threatened to revoke highway funds if states didn't cut over to .8. Same way 55 was implemented. State rule becomes Federal rule. Personally I think .8 is overkill. That is two beers in an hour in an average man (from what I understand). At 09:27 AM 9/20/2002, Rich Hall wrote: >I had a friend in college get sent to the hospital on his 21st and when >another friend picked him up they said he reached 4 times the legal limit, >which would be .32 in VA. There is no way he could have even started a car >if he wanted to. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 10:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KEJZSi027065; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:19:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KEJYh7027054; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:19:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECA00@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC Cycles _DCC Subject: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:20:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Another time in college we decided to see what 2 beers an hour did by having a friend do this over 12 hours, drinking a case of beer. He was probably 6'3", 200lbs. He was very drunk at the end. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:15 AM To: DC Cycles _DCC Subject: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Personally I think .8 is overkill. That is two beers in an hour in an average man (from what I understand). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 10:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KEPuSi027341; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:25:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KEPuH5027335; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:25:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 20 Sep 2002 14:25:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020920142554.16141.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Troutman contributed: >..8 became the legal limit very recently. A few years ago most states were >set at .10. Uncle Sam threatened to revoke highway funds if states didn't >cut over to .8. Same way 55 was implemented. State rule becomes Federal >rule. Personally I think .8 is overkill. That is two beers in an hour in >an average man (from what I understand). [Dave] I love a good beer. I also love fast cars (or trucks) & bikes. I don't like eihter of them toghether. It would be cool to not have the Fed interfere in every aspect of our lives, but let's face it, the states could refuse and it IS their call. The fed is just conditioning their financial aid on it. None of the states can get by without the federal aid dollars... Whose fault is that? In this case, maybe .08 is overkill, maybe not. I don't really know, and I hope to never find out. I do know this - I have enough trouble managing the other poor driving idiots out there, and ANYTHING that has the potential to make them WORSE drivers is a move away from goodness. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 10:37:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KEb0Si027685; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:37:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KEawOc027666; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:36:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:36:20 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <013f01c260b3$19729f70$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20020920142554.16141.qmail@server445.gisol.com> The troublesome thing about this is that you don't know what level you are at. One day I can drink two beers and be at .10 and feel fine and the next be at .04 and fell tipsy (I'm about 170lbs). It has so much to do with your metabolism, what you ate, how your feeling, mood, etc... I think .08 is too strict. I personally believe (could be wrong) that the drunk drivers of the world don't get caught at .09, .10, they are more in the high teens (.15+) or higher (like this lady). These are the people who are a danger and should be stipped of their driving rights. The people who have a beer or two over dinner or at happy hour are not the problem IMO. If there was a device that would test a BAC accurately that was admissible in court, that would great. That way any responsible person can monitor their level and be sure they are legal before driving. Unfortunately, that's not the case. A friend bought one of the portable ones and it wasn't accurate enough to count on. I would hate to have a beer over dinner and get pulled over going home and get into a DUI/DWI problem because of it. Its just not right. IMHO, -Jim > > Troutman contributed: > > >..8 became the legal limit very recently. A few years ago > most states were > >set at .10. Uncle Sam threatened to revoke highway funds if > states didn't > >cut over to .8. Same way 55 was implemented. State rule > becomes Federal > >rule. Personally I think .8 is overkill. That is two beers > in an hour in > >an average man (from what I understand). > > [Dave] I love a good beer. I also love fast cars (or > trucks) & bikes. I don't like eihter of them toghether. It > would be cool to not have the Fed interfere in every aspect > of our lives, but let's face it, the states could refuse and > it IS their call. The fed is just conditioning their > financial aid on it. None of the states can get by without > the federal aid dollars... Whose fault is that? > > In this case, maybe .08 is overkill, maybe not. I don't > really know, and I hope to never find out. I do know this - > I have enough trouble managing the other poor driving idiots > out there, and ANYTHING that has the potential to make them > WORSE drivers is a move away from goodness. > > Dave > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Powered by Wild On Web: > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! > http://www.wildonweb.com > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 10:42:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KEgDSi027967; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:42:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KEgDeq027958; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:42:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECA0C@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:43:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Another college drinking story: Sororities would set up breathalyzer tests on the weekend downtown. I'd have some friends that knew they were drunk and would blow a .07 and then decide to drive home. I'm not sure where they got the breathalyzers, but I didn't trust them. -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:36 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker The troublesome thing about this is that you don't know what level you are at. One day I can drink two beers and be at .10 and feel fine and the next be at .04 and fell tipsy (I'm about 170lbs). It has so much to do with your metabolism, what you ate, how your feeling, mood, etc... I think .08 is too strict. I personally believe (could be wrong) that the drunk drivers of the world don't get caught at .09, .10, they are more in the high teens (.15+) or higher (like this lady). These are the people who are a danger and should be stipped of their driving rights. The people who have a beer or two over dinner or at happy hour are not the problem IMO. If there was a device that would test a BAC accurately that was admissible in court, that would great. That way any responsible person can monitor their level and be sure they are legal before driving. Unfortunately, that's not the case. A friend bought one of the portable ones and it wasn't accurate enough to count on. I would hate to have a beer over dinner and get pulled over going home and get into a DUI/DWI problem because of it. Its just not right. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 10:44:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KEiPSi028223; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:44:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KEiOiR028213; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:44:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZX9CMUvJXZ2Zq/DGJ2X8QDGAqcifj5py0+ldYY2OODSMGDTEudNOwipMbtXIsAzwY= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Tankslapper! Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:44:21 -0400 Message-ID: <023501c260b4$35410ab0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020917194106.10104.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sorry, all, when I posted it, it was to a squid doing a stand-up wheelie, set it down to a tankslapper, then collided with a car. My most humble aplogies. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:41 PM To: jmstrang@XXXXXX; DC Cycles (E-mail) Subject: Re: Tankslapper! --- Jon Strang wrote: > > When good Stuntaz go bad! Next, on Maury. > > http://www.snuffx.com/x/sept13/xshowoff.mpg all i got here was neverending pop-ups relating to rape videos. folks, if you simply MUST give us weblinks to porn, please provide links to sites without those annoying pop-up ads.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 10:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KElBSi028483; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:47:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KElAZH028475; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:47:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:47:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200209201047.AA606011994@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker X-Mailer: >Personally I think .8 is overkill. Overkill? What a choice of words! :-) Personally I think drinking and driving should not be allowed. Period. This whole business of how much alcohol is too much before you wreck and kill people is a sad testament to how important it is to some people to drink and drive. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 10:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KEmYSi028734; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:48:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KEmYSK028723; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:48:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Tankslapper! Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:45:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I can vouge for Jon and the video. I'm not sure why the site suddenly changed, but the video was crazy!!! I watched it at least 5 times wondering how the hell the guy survived. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:44 AM To: DC Cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: Tankslapper! Sorry, all, when I posted it, it was to a squid doing a stand-up wheelie, set it down to a tankslapper, then collided with a car. My most humble aplogies. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:41 PM To: jmstrang@XXXXXX; DC Cycles (E-mail) Subject: Re: Tankslapper! --- Jon Strang wrote: > > When good Stuntaz go bad! Next, on Maury. > > http://www.snuffx.com/x/sept13/xshowoff.mpg all i got here was neverending pop-ups relating to rape videos. folks, if you simply MUST give us weblinks to porn, please provide links to sites without those annoying pop-up ads.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 10:51:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KEpbSi029012; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:51:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KEpb6E029002; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:51:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920104539.02ad6e48@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:51:29 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <013f01c260b3$19729f70$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> References: <20020920142554.16141.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:36 AM 9/20/2002 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: >The troublesome thing about this is that you don't know what level you >are at. One day I can drink two beers and be at .10 and feel fine and >the next be at .04 and fell tipsy (I'm about 170lbs). It has so much to >do with your metabolism, what you ate, how your feeling, mood, etc... additionally, any combination of non-prescription medicines could have a debilitating effect. Where does one draw the line? >I think .08 is too strict. I personally believe (could be wrong) that >the drunk drivers of the world don't get caught at .09, .10, they are >more in the high teens (.15+) or higher (like this lady). These are the >people who are a danger and should be stipped of their driving rights. >The people who have a beer or two over dinner or at happy hour are not >the problem IMO. I'm not sure where the alcohol numbers actually come in. If any nonbiased study has been done to determine where exactly does one become too impaired to drive, I haven't heard of it. I think everyone is different. Not only in how they metabolize alcohol but how much alcohol it takes before they become impaired. I also think any reasonable law would set *individual* limits although I'm not sure how that could be conducted. .08 may be WAY too high for a 90lb high school kid but for an alcoholic, that may still be sober to them. Either way, I doubt any reputable agency would support such an idea because it wouldn't be politically correct. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 11:03:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KF37Si029380; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:03:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KF36Xt029373; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:03:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920105928.022107a0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:03:02 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <200209201047.AA606011994@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:47 AM 9/20/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: >Personally I think drinking and driving should not be allowed. Period. > >This whole business of how much alcohol is too much before you wreck and >kill people is a sad testament to how important it is to some people to >drink and drive. So ... having a beer then driving home should now be outlawed? Ridiculous. Reasonable people can establish reasonable limits. We don't live in a Draconian society. And when is it no longer drinking and driving? If you have a beer in the morning and drive to work 6 hours later - does that count? See how fuzzy the line is? For the record, I don't ever ride after having a drink, and I am not defending drunk drivers. I just feel that government oversteps it's bounds frequently - in the name of safety. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 11:23:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KFNESi029762; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:23:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KFNEYJ029757; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:23:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D44@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'mobacc@XXXXXX'" Subject: Boot recommendations? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:23:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Bill S suggested, "This and another recent boot thread have tickled a peeve. Just a personal headsup." . . . a great percentage of the time there was a dealkiller - the soles. I've found, in my all-season, metro riding, a super-rugged sole has no substitute. I cant imagine some of the puny soles of good looking boots I've tried on and seen on the 'net getting the necessary adhesion job done on leafy, wet, striped, oily streets. " Yessss. That and boots that cannot be resoled. I have a pair of Alpinstars like that. But, thanks to Shoe Goo and Goop, their soles have been augmented several times with hefty ribs. It ain't pretty. Over Labor Day, another Maggot looked at my soles and remarked, "I hope that isn't contagious." Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 11:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KFSpSi030038; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:28:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KFSpmw030029; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:28:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00cb01c260ba$87292780$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: , "Troutman" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920105928.022107a0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:29:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 >>Reasonable people can establish reasonable >>limits Aaah, there's the kicker! Not everyone can handle having one or two beers and driving home. True, most people can, and most of the ones who can't will get a cab or stay put. Most people are reasonable. But there's a few idiots out there who can't handle a beer and drive home, and the government is trying to protect the rest of us from those idiots. Personally I think no one should be allowed out in public without a license. I think you should have to tend bar, wait tables, clean the streets, and ride in an ambulance before you are allowed to engage in any public activity. Then you can see what idiots people can be when they are drunk, how annoying people can be when they are hungry, and what a mess people can make of things and themselves, before you get a chance to go explore the world on your own. I bet if people had to ride just one night in an ambulance before they could get a driver's license, we'd see a lot of the BS that goes on on the highways just stop. But I'm just old, bitter and mean. cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 11:39:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KFdASi030342; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:39:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KFd9P3030330; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:39:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.201] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorport Crash Test Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:38:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2002 15:38:00.0967 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3B10970:01C260BB] Fish, When I transitioned from on bike to off bike I was at "highway" speed. I slide approximately 150 feet (all on the asphalt). The bike went a bit further, deflected off the curb (the median on Montrose), and continued on a bit. It hit the curb tank first (the top of the bike smacked the curb). I stopped about 5 feet from the curb. If there had been traffic on Montrose, I might have been run over/into or slid into the side of a car. Here's more detail from my response to the VFR buddies... >From: "Paul Hutchins" >To: BHolcomb@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Motorport Crash Test >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:33:49 -0400 > >Brad, > >This crash is the result of me gambling that the line was clean. I was in >complete control of the bike, and below the limit (I'd say 6-7/10ths). > >At the speed I was travelling, swerving left (outside the hazard) was not >an option - I would have gone too wide and travelled diagonally across the >travel lanes on Montrose (which, of course, I did anyway while sliding). If >I hit the brakes to scrub speed, I would have lowsided with a little less >speed. In the .2 seconds I had to decide, I went for a slightly tighter >line. It looked like there was a 'clean' line about a foot wide inside the >concrete/mix. Unfortunately, I was wrong. The apparently clean line was >the nasty heavier bits in the bag. > >The debris from the bag was light and dark grey. The stuff that was light >grey was ~18 inches wide and about 10 feet long. The stuff that was dark >grey was about the same (but on the inside of the light grey powder). I >saw the dark grey at about 10 feet (and closing fast). > >I knew I couldn't get inside the debris without hitting the inside curb, so >I hoped it wasn't too slick <---- not a chance. It was about a 1/4 inch >deep and ridiculously slick. > >The only real way out of this situation was to have never been in it. By >that I mean a less aggresive pace would have given me the room to swerve >left and then lean back over. I was also outriding my headlight, giving me >little time to assess and execute. > >Sometimes we pay the price for the decisions we make. If there was a corner >worker, it would have never happened. If I weren't overriding my >headlight, I may have seen the hazard earlier and been able to slow enough >to swerve. The only avaiable 'safe' line was well outside the debris (the >outside 2 feet of the lane). > >It was not an issue of ground clearance or throttle chopping. It was an >issue of too little time and space to execute an evasive manuver. The blame >lies squarely with yours truly :). > >BTW - I didn't use the "a-word" because I'm in the "there are rarely >accidents" camp. > > > >>From: Brad >>To: 'Paul Hutchins' , vfr-digest@XXXXXX >>Subject: RE: Motorport Crash Test >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:12:55 -0500 >> >>Paul, >> >>Sorry to hear about your crash. Glad your gear did its job. Since we're >>so >>tuned into the subject right now, can you provide anymore details as to >>how/why it happened? You mentioned it was at night. In a cloverleaf at >>night, I've found it's very easy for me to override my headlight a bit, >>especially on the '94 (the '02's headlights are not adjusted correctly, so >>the brights point quite skyward...a nice thing in curves). Did that >>contribute? >> > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 11:44:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KFiZSi030606; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:44:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KFiZIX030599; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:44:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920154433.95122.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <013f01c260b3$19729f70$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what about interlok? --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > If there was a device that would test a BAC accurately > that was > admissible in court, that would great. That way any > responsible person > can monitor their level and be sure they are legal before > driving. > Unfortunately, that's not the case. A friend bought one > of the portable > ones and it wasn't accurate enough to count on. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 12:00:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KG0RSi030939; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:00:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KG0RVQ030932; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:00:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 20 Sep 2002 16:00:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20020920160026.15648.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >>>Reasonable people can establish reasonable >>>limits >Aaah, there's the kicker! >Not everyone can handle having one or two beers and driving home. True, >most people can, and most of the ones who can't will get a cab or stay put. [Dave] Hell, we haven't established that everyone can handle driving home without injuring or killing someone, much less adding alcohol to the equation. As a society, we are the least trained drivers in the world... Except for 3rd world toilets... >Most people are reasonable. But there's a few idiots out there who can't >handle a beer and drive home, and the government is trying to protect the >rest of us from those idiots. [Dave] here's the rub - we're dependent on transportation collectively and individually. On one hand, to deny access to drving / riding is to basically doom a person to almost no income potential, OTOH, if their drving / riding poses a danger to others, then it should be tough cookies. >Personally I think no one should be allowed out in public without a license. [Dave] Whoa there, Comrade.... let's not get carried away. >I think you should have to tend bar, wait tables, clean the streets, and >ride in an ambulance before you are allowed to engage in any public >activity. Then you can see what idiots people can be when they are drunk, >how annoying people can be when they are hungry, and what a mess people can >make of things and themselves, before you get a chance to go explore the >world on your own. [Dave] Maybe instead of the trumped up indentured servitude scheme MD requires of it's students to graduate HS, they could introduce some good driving classes... I bet if people had to ride just one night in an >ambulance before they could get a driver's license, we'd see a lot of the BS >that goes on on the highways just stop. [Dave] I got to see pics of accident scenes in HS Driver's ed. It helped... I think more strict training would help... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 12:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KGJjSi031328; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:19:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KGJiiQ031322; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:19:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00de01c260c1$a30bcf50$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: , References: <20020920160026.15648.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:20:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 >>[Dave] Whoa there, Comrade.... let's not get carried away. My thoughts about the Out In Public license... don't take them too seriously. I am not actually suggesting the government regulate people's social activities, work locations, etc. Merely wistfully wishing there were a way to give a clue to those who need it most. And being overly dramatic as usual. -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 12:45:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KGjlSi031725; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:45:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KGjlsu031714; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:45:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920124341.0221c488@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:45:31 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <00cb01c260ba$87292780$561452a4@D7LVNR01> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920105928.022107a0@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:29 AM 9/20/2002, Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>Reasonable people can establish reasonable > >>limits > >Aaah, there's the kicker! > >Not everyone can handle having one or two beers and driving home. True, >most people can, and most of the ones who can't will get a cab or stay put. >Most people are reasonable. But there's a few idiots out there who can't >handle a beer and drive home, and the government is trying to protect the >rest of us from those idiots. My statement was referring to the practice of writing law as opposed to citizens drinking habits. i.e. - what was unreasonable about Virginia's previous .010 DUI statute? You are quite correct that certain laws are in place to keep the 1% in line. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 12:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KGqpSi031996; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:52:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KGqpMr031989; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:52:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , Subject: RE: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:52:16 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <017701c260c6$168cea00$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20020920154433.95122.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> I've heard of them required to be installed in chronic repeaters cars. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also heard they were over $1000... I think you need to keep the unit price under $50, easily carried (maybe in a pocket), etc... for a tool to be worth while. I'm an engineer, I don't like unknowns... ;) -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:45 AM > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker > > > what about interlok? > > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > If there was a device that would test a BAC accurately > > that was > > admissible in court, that would great. That way any > > responsible person > > can monitor their level and be sure they are legal before > > driving. > > Unfortunately, that's not the case. A friend bought one > > of the portable > > ones and it wasn't accurate enough to count on. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 13:09:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KH9nSi032328; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:09:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KH9nR0032320; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:09:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920170947.25049.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <017701c260c6$168cea00$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii under $50 ?!?!?! please! if i knew i had the propensity to drink and push the legal limit regularly, yet drive anyway, i think the savings in attorneys fees alone would push me to have one of these things installed. i think that as the legal limit drops, the odds of interlok systems being optional equipment on new cars will increase. the prices should drop in the interim. --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > I've heard of them required to be installed in chronic > repeaters cars. > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also heard they were over > $1000... I > think you need to keep the unit price under $50, easily > carried (maybe > in a pocket), etc... for a tool to be worth while. > > I'm an engineer, I don't like unknowns... ;) > > -Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:45 AM > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker > > > > > > what about interlok? > > > > > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > > > If there was a device that would test a BAC > accurately > > > that was > > > admissible in court, that would great. That way any > > > responsible person > > > can monitor their level and be sure they are legal > before > > > driving. > > > Unfortunately, that's not the case. A friend bought > one > > > of the portable > > > ones and it wasn't accurate enough to count on. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 13:45:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KHj3Si032760; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:45:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KHj2PW032752; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:45:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:45:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200209201345.AA257753734@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >Chris Norloff wrote: >>Personally I think drinking and driving should not be allowed. Period. > >So ... having a beer then driving home should now be >outlawed? Ridiculous. Reasonable people can establish reasonable >limits. Reasonable? That's the problem. I think a large number of people who drink and drive are not reasonable. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 14:10:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KIAXSi000816; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:10:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KIAXRO000804; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:10:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 20 Sep 2002 18:10:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20020920181032.1639.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Mike asks >My statement was referring to the practice of writing law as opposed to >citizens drinking habits. i.e. - what was unreasonable about Virginia's >previous .010 DUI statute? You are quite correct that certain laws are in >place to keep the 1% in line. [Dave] A good friend used to be a deputy, and was certified w/ the breathalyzer. As part of his training, he had to get intoxicated just to the legal limit, .010 at the time. He went about 200#, and was not a 'novice' drinker - nor was he a drunk... At any rate I asked him to try to equate how drunk .010 was, and he said that it was without a doubt beyond his ability to control a vehicle, period. He said he had trouble getting his keys from his pocket, in the keyhole to unlock the cruiser, ran over cone after cone on the closed course, etc... I have no idea how to equate this to 'how many drinks I can have before I'm impaired', in fact, I've never had a breath test, or seen the unit up close. The point is, what's wrong with allowing people to be able to drive in that condition, or even REMOTELY close to it, is life threatening. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 14:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KIaiSi001211; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:36:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KIaipK001204; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:36:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920143610.02291398@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:36:38 -0400 To: DC Cycles _DCC From: Troutman Subject: Dear Abby.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=104&e=2&cid=104&u=/020919/155/2a2e9.html Pretty callous comment. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 15:02:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KJ2JSi001721; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:02:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KJ2Jv5001714; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:02:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920145955.00bbf750@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:02:06 -0400 To: "Patti Rodgers" , , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <00de01c260c1$a30bcf50$561452a4@D7LVNR01> References: <20020920160026.15648.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:20 PM 9/20/2002 -0400, Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>[Dave] Whoa there, Comrade.... let's not get carried away. > > >My thoughts about the Out In Public license... don't take them too >seriously. I am not actually suggesting the government regulate people's >social activities, work locations, etc. Merely wistfully wishing there were >a way to give a clue to those who need it most. And being overly dramatic >as usual. > >-patti on a slightly similar topic, yet just off of center.. I could see a requirement to serve 2 years in the military following high school. It would give a better understanding of what it's like to live below the poverty line and a *much* better understanding of what our folks in uniform have to go through. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 15:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KJ5LSi001981; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:05:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KJ5LP3001976; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:05:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920150352.00bc1488@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:05:08 -0400 To: , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <200209201345.AA257753734@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:45 PM 9/20/2002 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Troutman > > >Chris Norloff wrote: > >>Personally I think drinking and driving should not be allowed. Period. > > > >So ... having a beer then driving home should now be > >outlawed? Ridiculous. Reasonable people can establish reasonable > >limits. > >Reasonable? That's the problem. I think a large number of people who >drink and drive are not reasonable. > >Chris Norloff very true...we should establish all kinds of laws restricting the rights of everyone to protect us from the few. Seriously.. We don't *need* stricter laws....we just need to enforce the ones we already have. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 15:10:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KJAASi002248; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:10:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KJAAN6002241; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:10:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920150843.022b8d30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:10:02 -0400 To: DC Cycles _DCC From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Dear Abby.... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920143610.02291398@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:36 PM 9/20/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=104&e=2&cid=104&u=/020919/155/2a2e9.html > >Pretty callous comment. I thought Abby (and her sister) died? Wonder if she donated any organs? Does she have a special arrangement with the Big One to still reply to distressed letter writers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 15:24:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KJODSi002565; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:24:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KJOCqr002557; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:24:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920192409.66943.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920145955.00bbf750@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gag gag gag gag gag Why? The military is plenty full with its 'professionals'. That smacks of social engineering at its worst. What do our folks in uniform have to go though that we need to take people out of their lives for 2 years? What is so bad about the life in the military? If you want to see how people suffer in this country, why not make 18 year olds serve two years in a homeless shelter or rehab center? That world makes military service look pretty nice. --- Aki Damme wrote: > on a slightly similar topic, yet just off of > center.. > > I could see a requirement to serve 2 years in the > military following high > school. > > It would give a better understanding of what it's > like to live below the > poverty line and a > *much* better understanding of what our folks in > uniform have to go through. > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 15:27:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KJRVSi002828; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:27:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KJRVO6002813; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:27:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920152659.022c1bb8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:27:23 -0400 To: DC Cycles _DCC From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <20020920192409.66943.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920145955.00bbf750@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:24 PM 9/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Gag gag gag gag gag > >Why? The military is plenty full with its >'professionals'. That smacks of social engineering at >its worst. > >What do our folks in uniform have to go though that we >need to take people out of their lives for 2 years? >What is so bad about the life in the military? If you >want to see how people suffer in this country, why not >make 18 year olds serve two years in a homeless >shelter or rehab center? That world makes military >service look pretty nice. > ...never served have you? Pretty obvious... > >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > on a slightly similar topic, yet just off of > > center.. > > > > I could see a requirement to serve 2 years in the > > military following high > > school. > > > > It would give a better understanding of what it's > > like to live below the > > poverty line and a > > *much* better understanding of what our folks in > > uniform have to go through. > > > > > > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 15:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KJb2Si003228; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:37:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KJb2xP003221; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:37:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECA8C@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:38:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I believe you don't have to have a .01 to be convicted of drinking & driving, probably for that reason. -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] [Dave] A good friend used to be a deputy, and was certified w/ the breathalyzer. As part of his training, he had to get intoxicated just to the legal limit, .010 at the time. He went about 200#, and was not a 'novice' drinker - nor was he a drunk... At any rate I asked him to try to equate how drunk .010 was, and he said that it was without a doubt beyond his ability to control a vehicle, period. He said he had trouble getting his keys from his pocket, in the keyhole to unlock the cruiser, ran over cone after cone on the closed course, etc... I have no idea how to equate this to 'how many drinks I can have before I'm impaired', in fact, I've never had a breath test, or seen the unit up close. The point is, what's wrong with allowing people to be able to drive in that condition, or even REMOTELY close to it, is life threatening. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 15:39:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KJdLSi003484; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:39:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KJdL93003478; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:39:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZbVqjGpyZDQzhpP9Ekx3zLiEK5yMWv0RNjeQ/Tkgss0KZGO5lUt/bDsnIlGlXjL9I= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , , Subject: RE: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: <028401c260dd$695e6cb0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020920192409.66943.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Jebus, guys. Heinlein did this decades ago. Find new material. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 3:24 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Gag gag gag gag gag Why? The military is plenty full with its 'professionals'. That smacks of social engineering at its worst. What do our folks in uniform have to go though that we need to take people out of their lives for 2 years? What is so bad about the life in the military? If you want to see how people suffer in this country, why not make 18 year olds serve two years in a homeless shelter or rehab center? That world makes military service look pretty nice. --- Aki Damme wrote: > on a slightly similar topic, yet just off of > center.. > > I could see a requirement to serve 2 years in the > military following high > school. > > It would give a better understanding of what it's > like to live below the > poverty line and a > *much* better understanding of what our folks in > uniform have to go through. > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 15:41:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KJfSSi003761; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:41:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KJfS6T003752; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:41:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 20 Sep 2002 19:41:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020920194127.4129.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >Gag gag gag gag gag >Why? The military is plenty full with its >'professionals' [Dave] What do you mean by your quoted professionals ? BTW, you copied me on this in your reply all. I did not advocate, nor do I, compulsory service in time of peace, in case you meant the reply all 2nd copy to go to the author... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 16:13:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KKDsSi004360; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:13:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KKDrvp004353; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:13:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920201351.19175.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920152659.022c1bb8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So what? Whats you point? That is such a pea-brained response. Have you served in anything more than weekend-warrior capacity? Unless you were in Vietnam, Korea or WWII (doubt you are that old), give me a break. While I respect that its not an easy job, the draft in this era would be ridiculous. Forcing the military on everyone (not in a time of war) who is 18 is forcing your set of values on people just because you think it would do them good. Not everyone thinks that the military=true america my friend. --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 12:24 PM 9/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > ...never served have you? Pretty obvious... > > > > > > > > >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > > on a slightly similar topic, yet just off of > > > center.. > > > > > > I could see a requirement to serve 2 years in > the > > > military following high > > > school. > > > > > > It would give a better understanding of what > it's > > > like to live below the > > > poverty line and a > > > *much* better understanding of what our folks in > > > uniform have to go through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 16:25:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KKPOSi004680; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:25:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KKPNs8004671; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:25:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYo4pwuspoYecB0o7z9qWZW5NL0z9zJCsxIkwnw7gtF3o7IFIoNM7p4tekEIOVULDc= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: clever troll or mindless blather? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:25:14 -0400 Message-ID: <029001c260e3$d47bc8c0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020920201351.19175.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal "Hello, everybody, I'm Mark Kitchell, and I'm totally oblivious to world events." (Or a world class troll....in which case I salute him.) --jon 12 years in the Navy (enlisted and officer) -----Mark Kitchell cleverly trolled (or mindlessly blathered): Have you served in anything more than weekend-warrior capacity? Unless you were in Vietnam, Korea or WWII (doubt you are that old), give me a break. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 16:34:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KKYpSi004961; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:34:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KKYoJ7004954; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:34:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 20 Sep 2002 20:34:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020920203450.24557.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) >So what? Whats you point? That is such a pea-brained >response. >Have you served in anything more than weekend-warrior >capacity? [Dave] Before commenting, please revisit the title of this thread. A biker - one of us (not DCC that I know of, but a biker)- was murdered. Dead. taken away from her family forever by a careless, stupid person who will thankfully be punished. If you guys want to continue the compulsory military service thread, please take it offline. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 16:37:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KKbkSi005227; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:37:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KKbkRx005222; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:37:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920203743.20437.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:37:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: clever troll or mindless blather? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <029001c260e3$d47bc8c0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Troll? I have done more for this list than you ever have. world events? Yep, I see both sides of things. You know, maybe, just maybe, everyone hates us because of our misguided, contradictory, hypocritical foreign policy. Maybe if we didn't condem some countries with our left hand while feeding still worse dictators with our other hand, we wouldn't need such a big military to protect us. The world events you are alluding to were horrible and wrong, that does not justify the shit done around the world in our name. I am pissed today since we are about to embark on an idiotic war with Iraq and no one seems to care! If you think I don't respect real fighting men, that joined a cause, not a career, check this out: http://www.89infdivww2.org/ --- Jon Strang wrote: > > "Hello, everybody, I'm Mark Kitchell, and I'm > totally oblivious to world > events." > > (Or a world class troll....in which case I salute > him.) > > --jon > 12 years in the Navy (enlisted and officer) > > -----Mark Kitchell cleverly trolled (or mindlessly > blathered): > > > > Have you served in anything more than > weekend-warrior > capacity? Unless you were in Vietnam, Korea or WWII > (doubt you are that old), give me a break. > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 16:38:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KKc0Si005262; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:38:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KKbx6t005258; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:37:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920163645.0222fe38@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:37:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Thread titles In-Reply-To: <20020920203450.24557.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:34 PM 9/20/2002, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >[Dave] Before commenting, please revisit the title of this thread. Since when does a thread's subject follow the title? New shoes go on tonight. Debating burning off the old 205 rear. Little rubber and clutch smoke never hurt anyone. Mwahahaha. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 16:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KKggSi005752; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:42:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KKge5Q005738; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:42:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:42:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Routes from 395 - WW Bridge Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know a _good_ route from 395 @ 495 and the Woodrow Wilson Bridge? (No, 495 most emphatically does not count.) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 16:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KKsDSi006045; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:54:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KKsD9S006038; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:54:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:54:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Routes from 395 - WW Bridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > Does anyone know a _good_ route from 395 @ 495 and the Woodrow Wilson > Bridge? (No, 495 most emphatically does not count.) Oops. Make that "395 at 495 TO the WWB." Fish. work@395, home@east-of-wwb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 17:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KLPgSi006441; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:25:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KLPgqI006430; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:25:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920171312.022bbdc0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:25:33 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker In-Reply-To: <20020920201351.19175.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920152659.022c1bb8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:13 PM 9/20/2002 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >So what? Whats you point? That is such a pea-brained >response. > >Have you served in anything more than weekend-warrior >capacity? Unless you were in Vietnam, Korea or WWII >(doubt you are that old), give me a break. While I >respect that its not an easy job, the draft in this >era would be ridiculous. I was a Viet Nam era vet that went in after we pulled out. The news didn't tell anyone about those of us that went in after all the air, ground and naval support had left. Nuff said. My father received a purple heart in Viet Nam. We were concerned that he wasn't even coming home. My uncle also served in Viet Nam and also received a purple heart. I've also been in areas of the world that would make you puke to see what I've seen. It wasn't the movies or some bullshit made for TV series, it was for real and people were dying. So fuck off, I don't need shit from some snot nosed kid who's history lesson is comprised of what they've read while shitting on the toilet and has no idea how long I've served. No, I'm not a weekend warrior..they don't require that from anyone who has served 15+ years. >Forcing the military on everyone (not in a time of >war) who is 18 is forcing your set of values on people >just because you think it would do them good. Not >everyone thinks that the military=true america my >friend. Maybe serving is too strong a word, but I don't think being required to do *some* public service, either in the military or otherwise isn't a bad thing. Maybe if we all did that, the perspective we would have of others less fortunate or for those that serve would be a lot different. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 17:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KLU7Si006703; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:30:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KLU7m2006695; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:30:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920213004.77030.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: A bunch of comments. To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020920192409.66943.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mark Kitchell's military comment, Military service should be required because it is an obligation of citizenship. A professional military is not a good thing. The military needs to be like the country. Defense is too important to be left to professionals. Offensive operations in places that don't affect the vital interests of the country are something that would more likely be done by professionals. On Dear Abby, At the bottom of the column it mentions the name of the current author. On lane splitting, I've been passed in my lane by cars several thousand times, I've passed cars in their lane tens of thousands of times. I've never had a serious incident doing this; lane sharing should be legal. I also think that anyone who complains about a car sharing their lane who has filtered to the front of a light or passed stopped cars getting out of a crowded parking is being hypocritical about it. Motorcycles are narrow, we know it, the cagers know it, why doesn't the law recognize it? Leon US Military Academy Graduate 1976. Incorrigible Lane Splitter. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 17:38:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KLc7Si006984; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:38:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KLc7sg006977; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:38:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920213805.86732.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920171312.022bbdc0@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii who here thinks a code red should be ordered for kitchell? a nice tea-bagging, perhaps....? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 17:43:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KLhZSi007253; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:43:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KLhYMO007242; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:43:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920214332.94265.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020920213805.86732.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Whats a tea bagging? --- Tom Gimer wrote: > who here thinks a code red should be ordered for > kitchell? > > a nice tea-bagging, perhaps....? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 17:46:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KLkJSi007509; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:46:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KLkIa2007503; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:46:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020920214616.60243.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:46:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020920214332.94265.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii deez nutz in ya mouth! --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Whats a tea bagging? > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > who here thinks a code red should be ordered for > > kitchell? > > > > a nice tea-bagging, perhaps....? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 18:13:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KMDHSi007992; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:13:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KMDHR8007985; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:13:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920175124.00bb7eb8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:13:05 -0400 To: DC Cycles _DCC From: Aki Damme Subject: A final word if I may.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed First off, I want to apologize to all for my comments. It was inappropriate and should of been taken off list. There are few things I'm extremely passionate about. One is for those who serve and have served in uniform. Unless you have worn one, or have grown up as a military brat, it's nearly impossible to understand what it's like. It really pushes my buttons when someone reads a couple of books and declares themselves an expert on the military..it doesn't work that way. I retract my recommendation about serving in the military, it's definitely not for everyone. Maybe some type of public service would be beneficial however. Secondly, I'm passionate about my country. For better or worse, it's *my* country. By choice, not birth. I'm a naturalized citizen who was and am, damn proud to be an American. Maybe for me, it just means a lot more since my citizenship wasn't given to me by being born here. No, I don't agree with everything our government does. I'm not blindly patriotic but I still feel this country is better than any other country in the world. That doesn't mean I think we're superior, but there's a lot of countries that are damn envious of what the US has accomplished in such a short period of time. It's so easy to bash our government yet do little or nothing to try and change it. Reading books and setting up a web site isn't, in my opinion taking action. You don't like what you see? Run for office. Motorcycles are another passion of mine. There are those out there that have tried to strip what little bastion of freedom we have on our bikes by restricting size, parking, clothing and protective gear we must wear. I continue to support and do what I can to help us keep our rights as motorcyclists. I support the AMA and am a life member because I feel they continue to fight for our rights as motorcyclists. No, they're not perfect either and some things I don't agree with but the big picture is that they have a voice and are heard. And lastly, Iraq. I don't know if we should go to war with them or not. It's a fact that they have weapons of mass destruction and they're at the hands of madman. There are direct links to terrorist activity and Saddam. It doesn't take an destroyer or guided missile cruiser to launch a short range missile at a major city. It just takes a small private boat. Don't think it hasn't crossed his mind. To apply logic or compassion to a person who doesn't think twice about killing his own people out of morbid curiosity is dangerous and wrong. The war on terrorism has created a whole new policy of war for the U.S. In this war, I feel we must protect our interests and our homeland. Is war the correct way to do it? I don't know. I don't want any of our military going over there either. However, we also cannot sit back wait for the next terrorist attack to occur..and it WILL happen unless we make the cost to them so high, it's no longer a viable option. Terrorists do not play fair, why should we expect them to and then act surprised when they attack us again? Anyway, this is a motorcycle list and we should get back to our regularly scheduled program. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 18:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KMn1Si008399; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:49:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8KMn07V008387; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:49:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a401c260f7$f95e7160$6501a8c0@laptop> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20020920203743.20437.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: clever troll or mindless blather? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:48:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Mark, the bike night thing is cool and all that but any shred of respect I ever had for you was eliminated by this post. I know you probably don't give a shit what I think but I'm going to say my piece anyway. This is the most arrogant self-serving claptrap I have ever read on this list. Who the hell do you think you are? The ONLY person who could have the right to say anything like this is Harry, the list owner. How dare you "claim" to have done more for this list than anyone else. So fucking what. Nobody is keeping score here. You think you are the first person to organize a gathering of dc-cycles people? You are not. There are lots of other people who have done many things for this list before you were here and many more people who will do so after you are gone. Really fucking pissed, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Troll? I have done more for this list than you ever have. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 20:08:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8L08bSi009600; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:08:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8L08XcK009581; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:08:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <412002962101012870@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: fastandwily@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.6.8 (Windows) From: "Scott Luttrell " To: "Bruce Norton" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: clever troll or mindless blather? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:10:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Get em Bruce > [Original Message] > From: Bruce Norton > To: DC Cycles > Date: 9/20/02 6:48:34 PM > Subject: Re: clever troll or mindless blather? > > Mark, the bike night thing is cool and all that but any shred of respect I > ever had for you was eliminated by this post. I know you probably don't give > a shit what I think but I'm going to say my piece anyway. > > This is the most arrogant self-serving claptrap I have ever read on this > list. Who the hell do you think you are? The ONLY person who could have the > right to say anything like this is Harry, the list owner. How dare you > "claim" to have done more for this list than anyone else. So fucking what. > Nobody is keeping score here. You think you are the first person to organize > a gathering of dc-cycles people? You are not. There are lots of other people > who have done many things for this list before you were here and many more > people who will do so after you are gone. > > Really fucking pissed, > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > Troll? I have done more for this list than you ever have. > > Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing fastandwily@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 20:43:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8L0hjSi009974; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:43:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8L0hjPk009967; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:43:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8BC204.A35C6412@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:49:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECA0C@SERVER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich Hall wrote: > Another college drinking story: Sororities would set up breathalyzer tests > on the weekend downtown. I'd have some friends that knew they were drunk > and would blow a .07 and then decide to drive home. I'm not sure where they > got the breathalyzers, but I didn't trust them. > Yeah, but that was college. Jayzzuss aitch, the crazy crap I pulled in college.. *shiver* Pounding the brews at the Flat Creek Tavern (a dive beyond all belief) and aiming the `58 Mopar ragtop down/up those NC mountain roads... yeesh! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 21:03:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8L13mSi010336; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:03:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8L13mKE010328; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:03:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004701c2610a$3c370080$213d2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: A final word if I may.. Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:00:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Aki, I didn't find your comments inappropriate at all. In fact they were just what Mark needed upside his arrogant liberal head. I just love left wing, liberal minded people...as a source of amusement only. Generally speaking, I find their opinions as repugnant as their cluelessness. Unfortunately, a lot of them have influence with how the gubmnt operates. And just so you know, I've NEVER served in the military. I do have a supreme respect for those willing to put their lives on the line to protect my rights. I don't always agree what our gubmnt is up to, but I won't hold military personnel responsible. Also, I've NEVER volunteered in a homeless or rehabilitation shelter/center. I'm too selfish and I know it. But I don't think such noble endeavors should be some measure of worth. It's just not for everyone. T --------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:13:05 -0400 To: DC Cycles _DCC From: Aki Damme Subject: A final word if I may.. First off, I want to apologize to all for my comments. It was inappropriate and should of been taken off list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 21:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8L18gSi010608; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:08:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8L18fqA010594; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:08:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004f01c2610a$eb122f80$213d2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: Re: clever troll or mindless blather? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:05:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Thank you Bruce! I think I agree with everything you just said. As Bruce mentioned, there are and/or were more people who were way more involved on this list then Mark. Not that I don't appreciate the effort, but jeez! Anyone recall the second annual DCCycle House Party I hosted many moons ago? That stopped after being robbed. Anyone remember the impromptu MSF training offered one cold winter day by a certified instructor (dang, what was his name...Navy dude), or Leons Circles, or the trip to Deals Gap, or, or, or.....Ah fuckit! What a jag you are Mark. T ------------------------------------------------------ From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: clever troll or mindless blather? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:48:34 -0400 Mark, the bike night thing is cool and all that but any shred of respect I ever had for you was eliminated by this post. I know you probably don't give a shit what I think but I'm going to say my piece anyway. This is the most arrogant self-serving claptrap I have ever read on this list. Who the hell do you think you are? The ONLY person who could have the right to say anything like this is Harry, the list owner. How dare you "claim" to have done more for this list than anyone else. So fucking what. Nobody is keeping score here. You think you are the first person to organize a gathering of dc-cycles people? You are not. There are lots of other people who have done many things for this list before you were here and many more people who will do so after you are gone. Really fucking pissed, Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 21:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8L1AWSi010861; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:10:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8L1AVO3010855; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:10:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8BC850.C07CB836@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:16:00 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Routes from 395 - WW Bridge References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Does anyone know a _good_ route from 395 @ 495 and the Woodrow Wilson > > Bridge? (No, 495 most emphatically does not count.) > > Oops. Make that "395 at 495 TO the WWB." > > Fish. > work@395, home@east-of-wwb East on King street or duke street to south on US 1 or whatever hell they call it in Alex From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 20 23:46:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8L3kPSi011793; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:46:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8L3kNDQ011774; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:46:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:46:16 -0400 From: Doc X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53bis) Personal Reply-To: Doc X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <119183826388.20020920234616@shore.net> To: DC Cycles _DCC Subject: Re: A final word if I may.. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920175124.00bb7eb8@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920175124.00bb7eb8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friday, September 20, 2002, 6:13:05 PM, Aki wrote: AD> First off, I want to apologize to all for my comments. It was inappropriate and AD> should of been taken off list. I'm not sure, but I think the thread comments started with someone else? AD> One is for those who serve and have served in uniform. Unless you have AD> worn one, or have grown up as a military brat, it's nearly impossible AD> to understand what it's like. It really pushes my buttons when AD> someone reads a couple of books and declares themselves an expert on AD> the military..it doesn't work that way. I retract my recommendation AD> about serving in the military, it's definitely not for everyone. Maybe AD> some type of public service would be beneficial however. As a Viet-era vet, I agree completely. Heinlein was right. ;-) *Some* form of service to our country should be required as a qualification for citizenship. What form, I believe, should be left up to the individual. AD> Reading books and setting up a web site isn't, in my opinion taking AD> action. You don't like what you see? Run for office. Or don't run for office. Become a committeeman (or whatever the term is for party workers and representatives from your voting district) and work for those things which you believe are good and worthwhile. Join coalitions that actually *work* for the things you believe are worth your effort. AD> MThere are those out there that have tried to strip what little bastion AD> of freedom we have on our bikes by restricting size, parking, clothing AD> and protective gear we must wear. I continue to support and do what I AD> can to help us keep our rights as motorcyclists. I support the AMA and AD> am a life member because I feel they continue to fight for our rights AD> as motorcyclists. No, they're not perfect either and some things I AD> don't agree with but the big picture is that they have a voice and are AD> heard. Support NCOM, support your local CofC (if there's one in your state), and make your voice heard by writing to your elected representatives as well as filing comments with agencies like the EPA and NHTSA and DOT (state as well as federal). There is still no force politicians listen to as strongly as a ground swell of support for a position, expressed in email and snail mail. (Phone calls are a close third, AFAIK at this point.) AD> And lastly, Iraq. I don't know if we should go to war with them or AD> not. It's a fact that they have weapons of mass destruction and AD> they're at the hands of madman. There are direct links to terrorist AD> activity and Saddam. The facts are there to be researched. Do your own research and make up your own mind. Be an informed citizen instead of one who takes positions from the sound bites on the evening news telecasts. AD> The war on terrorism has created a whole new policy of war for the U.S. AD> In this war, I feel we must protect our interests and our homeland. Is AD> war the correct way to do it? I don't know. I don't want any of our AD> military going over there either. However, we also cannot sit back wait AD> for the next terrorist attack to occur..and it WILL happen unless we AD> make the cost to them so high, it's no longer a viable option. AD> Terrorists do not play fair, why should we expect them to and then act AD> surprised when they attack us again? I couldn't have said it better. We need more action than simply the creation of a "Homeland Defense" agency. I'm watching with interest to see whether we actually get that action or whether we get more rhetoric. AD> Anyway, this is a motorcycle list and we should get back to our regularly AD> scheduled program. Had two buds of mine from Mass visiting this week - they rented from Eaglerider in Chantilly, and we spent three days exploring the back roads and attractions in north-western Virginia. Three *very* pleased, somewhat sun-tanned, dirty riders when we got through with it. (insert big, wide, ear-to-ear grin smiley here) Gonna do it again in the spring, but they'll bring their own bikes (FatBoy and 1233cc Sporty) down for that one. Virginia has some of the best back roads I have ridden in my four decades of riding. Downright lovely. Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- SCRC Virginia State Officer Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 07:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LBPnSi014489; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:25:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LBPmrZ014475; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:25:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000801c26161$9ecf1a50$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" References: <004f01c2610a$eb122f80$213d2c42@c9rnf01> Subject: The Learning Channel Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:25:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Starting September 28 for the entire weekend, the Learning Channel will be having a bike week or weekend marathon. They have a commercial for Sturgis among other things. Sounds like it will be a couple days of motorcycles, hurray motorcycles! (imitating the Red Stripe Beer commercial with a bad accent). Scott Why is the South so far South? A day without sunshine is like ................ night From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 09:01:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LD1pSi015034; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:01:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LD1oH3015021; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:01:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020921130148.55258.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 06:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: IMF Protests To: Rich Hall , dccycles In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51EC7F8@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would suggest not going to work that day. Take a sick day. Some of the protestors are really upset that they have not been able to shut down DC. They may well target the Metro trains. That is an easy target, as well as gridlocking the bridges. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 11:44:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LFiISi016652; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:44:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LFiIZ0016644; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:44:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001201c26185$bd497dd0$1ee4f4d1@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" References: <004701c2610a$3c370080$213d2c42@c9rnf01> Subject: Re: A final word if I may.. Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:44:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >I don't always agree what our gubmnt is up to, but I won't hold >military personnel responsible. A point - the U.S. Military is under civilian control. Michael J. USAF (Ret) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 12:10:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LGAJSi016795; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:10:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LGAJxY016788; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:10:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767A9DC7@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Routes from 395 - WW Bridge Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:15:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain fish wondered: > Does anyone know a _good_ route from 395 @ 495 and the Woodrow Wilson > Bridge? (No, 495 most emphatically does not count.) >Oops. Make that "395 at 495 TO the WWB." How about Edsall Rd East to Van Dorn. South on Van Dorn to Eisenhower. East on Eisenhower to Telegraph. South on Telegraph to Huntington. East on Huntington to Rt 1. North on Rt 1 to the stopped traffic on the WW. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 14:14:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LIETSi017318; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:14:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LIESVg017304; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:14:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3f.11f0aad4.2abe10fa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:14:18 EDT Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/20/2002 10:15:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Personally I think .8 is overkill. That is two beers in an hour in > an average man (from what I understand). > That would be a weenie _little_ man. I cannot find my little BAC calculator, but according to the pamphlet I did find it would take about 6 or 7 drinks all within an hour for me to reach .08 and I can tell you that would be FUCKED UP! For someone weighting about 100pounds it would take about 3 drinks in one hour. Alcohol kills more of us bikers then just about anything, "Studies of fatal motorcycle accidents show that 40% to 50% of the _riders_ are alcohol-involved" (MSF IG VIII-47) When you add in the impaired cage driver it becomes obvious that the vast majority of accidents _involve_ alcohol, some outright drunk, some just impaired, but WE die when it happens. I for one will not have _one_ drink and ride, I need all the skill I have to stay alive. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 14:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LIIdSi017470; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:18:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LIId9v017463; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:18:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:18:32 EDT Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/20/2002 10:37:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX writes: > I would hate to have a beer over dinner and get pulled over going home > and get into a DUI/DWI problem because of it. Its just not right. One drink will simply NOT get you into a DWI situation. That is what all the drunks always say "I only had one" it is bullshit. If you are still worried about it _do not drink it_, I drink a lot of NAs myself, and have at bike nights, it aint beer but it works fine for me. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 14:21:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LILHSi017630; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:21:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LILHWn017621; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:21:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001c01c2619b$ba44ee60$6501a8c0@laptop> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:21:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Four words. Long Island Iced Tea. ----- Original Message ----- From: > One drink will simply NOT get you into a DWI situation. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 14:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LINNSi017776; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:23:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LINNAt017769; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:23:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <71.25f15f08.2abe1309@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:23:05 EDT Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/20/2002 10:42:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > I'd have some friends that knew they were drunk > and would blow a .07 At .07 you are drunk. Not legally drunk, but too damn drunk to ride. Sorry If I sound a bit shrill, but I have lost friends and family to people who just "had" to have that drink. I hate drunks. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 15:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LJUKSi018360; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:30:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LJUJcM018351; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:30:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020921152221.029f9328@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:30:11 -0400 To: "DC Cycles _DCC" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: A final word if I may.. In-Reply-To: <004701c2610a$3c370080$213d2c42@c9rnf01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:00 PM 9/20/2002 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >Aki, > >I didn't find your comments inappropriate at all. In fact they were just >what Mark needed upside his arrogant liberal head. true...but it *is* his opinion and I'm proud to live in a country where we CAN voice our own opinion, no matter how far left people may think it to me. >I just love left wing, liberal minded people...as a source of amusement >only. Generally speaking, I find their opinions as repugnant as their >cluelessness. Unfortunately, a lot of them have influence with how the >gubmnt operates. yup... >And just so you know, I've NEVER served in the military. I do have a >supreme respect for those willing to put their lives on the line to protect >my rights. I don't always agree what our gubmnt is up to, but I won't hold >military personnel responsible. the military are merely assigned to do the dirty work that pencil pushers have decided upon. Then those same pencil pushers just sit back and blame everyone else when things don't turn out the way they expected them to. While in the military I must of missed the lively round table discussions asking everyones opinion on what we should do. 8-P >Also, I've NEVER volunteered in a homeless or rehabilitation shelter/center. >I'm too selfish and I know it. But I don't think such noble endeavors >should be some measure of worth. It's just not for everyone. nope it's not, but wouldn't it be great if everyone *did*? What a better understanding we would have of our fellow man if we took the time to see what it's like on the other side of the tracks. I really didn't understand what it was like to be homeless or destitute until I did volunteer work in the soup kitchens and worked for Habitat for Humanity. When I was in the Philippines, I, on my own, helped rebuild a school house in the negrito barrio. I'm not saying that to get any pat on the back, just to show that I have done my fair share of volunteer work and it helped me appreciate more of what I have, both as a person and as an American. Not everyone out there hates us. Some don't hate us for what we are, they hate us for what they *aren't*. -aki >T >--------------------------------------- >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:13:05 -0400 >To: DC Cycles _DCC >From: Aki Damme >Subject: A final word if I may.. > > > >First off, I want to apologize to all for my comments. It was inappropriate >and >should of been taken off list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 15:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LJcXSi018423; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:38:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LJcXa2018415; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:38:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Hey Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:59:38 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <013501c2501c$ba743700$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020830045336.T25419-100000@magoo.noid.org> But it's going to rain... -Jim "Rain Wimp" > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hey > > > On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > No bikes on the road this morning. Everybody gone already? > > No, getting ready to head into the office now :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 17:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LLrZSi019054; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:53:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LLrXww019044; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:53:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020921175022.029f35e0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:53:24 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: clever troll or mindless blather? Cc: DC Cycles _DCC In-Reply-To: <20020921213901.93060.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020920175035.022d21c8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:39 PM 9/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: >and you got paid for every minute of it. > >Fine, you are some sort of hero for being in the >military. In your mind at least. Dream on. > >see ya bro! how come your response didn't surprise me? All those "100++ hours interviewing" and you still... just... don't... get... it. >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > At 02:40 PM 9/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >screw you. Spending 100s++ of hours interviewing, > > >understanding and respecting veterans is not > > >patriotic? > > > > > >Ride you Harley, thats sure patriotic! > > > > how many hours does 15 years add up to? I spent > > more time than that in tech school. > > > > > > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 17:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LLvUSi019105; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:57:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LLvUoE019098; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:57:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020921215728.93390.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: clever troll or mindless blather? To: Bruce Norton , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <00a401c260f7$f95e7160$6501a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bruce: You are right, I don't give a shit what you think. At least we are now even on the respect bit. I was responded to someone calling me a troll. A troll is defined as someone who contributes nothing to a list but simply makes anon. posts to simply stir up trouble. Based on my work with the bike nights, and have been on this list for 6 years, I took offense to being called a troll. You may disagree with what I said about the military, but its not the first post I have made on this list. I never said I did more than anyone for this list. Far from it. I ask you, now and on the list, where is my post did I claim: How dare you > "claim" to have done more for this list than anyone > else. I never said more than anyone else, I simply said that I do somethng and I do not derserve to be called a troll either. --- Bruce Norton wrote: > Mark, the bike night thing is cool and all that but > any shred of respect I > ever had for you was eliminated by this post. I know > you probably don't give > a shit what I think but I'm going to say my piece > anyway. > > This is the most arrogant self-serving claptrap I > have ever read on this > list. Who the hell do you think you are? The ONLY > person who could have the > right to say anything like this is Harry, the list > owner. How dare you > "claim" to have done more for this list than anyone > else. So fucking what. > Nobody is keeping score here. You think you are the > first person to organize > a gathering of dc-cycles people? You are not. There > are lots of other people > who have done many things for this list before you > were here and many more > people who will do so after you are gone. > > Really fucking pissed, > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > Troll? I have done more for this list than you > ever have. > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 18:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LMGBSi019225; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:16:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8LMGBSP019217; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:16:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone ride a BMW R1150GS or an "Adventure" Tourer? Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:15:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2002 22:15:03.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[55BAB300:01C261BC] Does anyone here ride a BMW R1150GS? I am considering different "Adventure" tourers. The R1150GS Adventure is high on my list. This seems like a great motorcycle, is it worth the money? I have also been hearing great things about the Suzuki V-Strom, which is considerably cheaper than the BMW and supposedly handles better and has a stronger motor. I am not sure if I can get over how it looks. Anyone here ride either the R1150GS or the V-Strom? Comments? Sanath 01 Ducati 996 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 20:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8M00fSi020168; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:00:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8M00eL5020160; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:00:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020921195707.029ff178@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:00:30 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: clever troll or mindless blather? Cc: dc Cycles _DCC In-Reply-To: <20020921220122.94138.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020921175022.029f35e0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:01 PM 9/21/2002 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Get what? That I don't automatically respect people >because they have served? Forget it, I am not that >easily brainwashed. > >People derserve respect based on their personal >actions, not what profession they choose. > >In your American, only veterans 'get it'? I am >certainly glad I am not on your wavelength. nope never said that..however every time you open your mouth it only confirms my suspicion of just how incredibly stupid, ignorant and self absorbed and self centered you really are. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 21:57:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8M1vBSi020711; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:57:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8M1v76k020692; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:57:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:57:02 -0700 From: " Jeff Kopchik" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: jkop@XXXXXX Subject: Boots Sender: jkop@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 4.64.221.133 Was at Rockville HD today for their open house. Looked at Sidi Champion and Alpinestar Web boots. I liked the Sidi Champions. Anyone have any experience with either? Also, do Euro boots always run big in size? I'm a US 8, but I ended up in the equivalent of a US 7. Jeff K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 23:04:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8M34oSi021085; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:04:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8M34nnv021070; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:04:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020921230222.009f34a0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:04:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/21/02 In-Reply-To: <200209212300.g8LN017s019462@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Todd wrote: >.... In fact they were just what Mark needed upside >his arrogant liberal head. >I just love left wing, liberal minded people...as a >source of amusement only. Generally speaking, I find >their opinions as repugnant as their cluelessness. Mark's "arrogant liberal head", meet Todd equally arrogant, plus intolerant and ignorant, evidently conservative head. May the two of you stumble into a locked room sometime. Doc wrote: > As a Viet-era vet, I agree completely. Heinlein was > right. ;-) *Some* form of service to our country > should be required as a qualification for > citizenship. Amen. -- Larry (liberal-minded, leftist-leaning independent; 26 months in An Khe and Pleiku, '68-'70) ------------ "Now isn't that the shits," exclaimed Nuclear Phyllis, who, being a two-wheeler herself, had been drawn to the conversation. "It's bad enough a person's head isn't his own any more -- the cops want to control what goes in it and what goes on it -- but now they want to tell animals what to wear. I mean, seriously, does the helmet law protect the public health, safety, or welfare? Hell no, it's designed to protect the bike rider from himself. A person's got a right to break his own head if he wants to. It's his head. It's his decision." "That's not the point, baby," said Purcell, appraising the girl with a greasy butcher's eye, apportioning her into loin chops and rump roasts and nipple filets. "Granted, the helmet law is unconstitutional, like a good fourth of the new laws today, but safety, health, and welfare were never a consideration. The pigs wouldn't care if every biker in the nation split his melon. Huh-uh. 'Duly constituted authority' would sigh with relief. Think for a minute. What motivates the Man to act? Bread, right? Like everything else, it's really a question of economics. The majority of motorcycle accidents are caused by automobile drivers. They aren't conditioned to look out for bikes so they're always slamming into them. A cat gets knocked off his scooter, cracks his headbone, who has to pay? The auto insurance companies, that's who. Now the insurance gangsters got one of the most powerful lobbies around. Whan they say "shit' the Man says 'what color?' So it's the insurance companies who pushed that helmet law through to save themselves some bread. Everything that happens in this society sooner or later boils down to a matter of a buck." --TR, 1971 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 21 23:12:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8M3CiSi021152; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:12:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8M3Cibx021146; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:12:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ab01c261d9$cb6fe260$c9815b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Loose Loads (was Motoport Crash Test) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:45:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 "Paul Hutchins" described -- Last night I hit the contents of a bag of cement (fell of the back of a truck I guess) on the I-270 S to Montrose Rd. East cloverleaf and lowsided. I slid approximately 150 feet. . . .snip ****** Holy Smokes. From the "nightmare" bin. Glad you're telling us about it. Hope you and bike are soon resurrected for fall riding. Loose Loads have moved to among the top of my hazards list after several events of my own (no downers yet, knock wood). I've called authorities a couple of times on rear doors/gates open and have thought seriously about a campaign to have Loose Load reminders put up on the traffic warning lightboards. And I'm ready, when feasible, to collect as much drop evidence as possible to turn over to the police. While "mileage may vary" for feasibility of doing this every time, the sloppy joe (or joey) who lets a load go astray ought to be punished. If not worse. The potential for mortal damage to riders and bikes (multiplied over cages) hits home. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Don't drop on me! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 09:12:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MDCpSi003913; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:12:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MDCQvH003899; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:12:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000401c26239$29169940$093b2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: , "Michael Jordan" References: <200209212300.g8LN017s019462@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: A final word if I may.. Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:08:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Yes, well supposedly so is our Gubmnt. ---------------------------------- From: "Michael Jordan" >I don't always agree what our gubmnt is up to, but I won't hold >military personnel responsible. A point - the U.S. Military is under civilian control. Michael J. USAF (Ret) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 09:24:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MDOsSi003996; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:24:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MDOr0Y003977; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:24:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000e01c2623a$e62b0740$093b2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: re: Anyone ride a BMW R1150GS or an "Adventure" Tourer? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:21:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I've never ridden either of them. But if you are looking to go off-road at all (the 'adventure' part ;), you may be disappointed. These choices are both ex$pen$ive and heavy. A cheap alternative is either a DR/XRL/KLR 650. The XRL is definitely more aggressive off-road. The KLR has a huge following and awsome aftermarket. If you plan to stay on-road get an ST1100 or Concours. Both are sporty and have been proven to go the distance comfortably. Both have a great aftermarket. And those are my comments ;) T ------------------------------------------------------ From: "Sanath S" Does anyone here ride a BMW R1150GS? I am considering different "Adventure" tourers. The R1150GS Adventure is high on my list. This seems like a great motorcycle, is it worth the money? I have also been hearing great things about the Suzuki V-Strom, which is considerably cheaper than the BMW and supposedly handles better and has a stronger motor. I am not sure if I can get over how it looks. Anyone here ride either the R1150GS or the V-Strom? Comments? Sanath 01 Ducati 996 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 10:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MEdDSi004374; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:39:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MEdALY004355; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:39:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.179.4] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Cc: markkitchell@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:38:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2002 14:38:03.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[A85C1E30:01C26245] Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Re: RE: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker To: DC Cycles So what? Whats you point? That is such a pea-brained response. Have you served in anything more than weekend-warrior capacity? Unless you were in Vietnam, Korea or WWII (doubt you are that old), give me a break. While I respect that its not an easy job, the draft in this era would be ridiculous. [Biblically the great armies amassed in the old testament were volunteer forces...they didn't want anyone in the fight, who didn't believe in the cause. But ridiculous? Not Necessary? Not yet] Forcing the military on everyone (not in a time of war) who is 18 is forcing your set of values on people just because you think it would do them good. Not everyone thinks that the military=true america my friend. [We're real close to just that...if you're over the draft eligible age, consider yourself lucky, Africa is HOT. If you are draft eligible and don't feel the call to serve...you better start voting. liberal and socialist countries tend to draft...in case you were wondering] Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 11:20:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MFK0Si004686; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:20:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MFJxaN004677; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:19:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002201c2624b$80b94550$a59ad73f@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: Subject: Re: Anyone ride a BMW R1150GS or an "Adventure" Tourer? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:19:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Does anyone here ride a BMW R1150GS? Sanath I rode one for two weeks in June in the mountains. Absolutely loved the bike, although I had to be careful where I parked (either it is a bit tall or my legs are a bit short). Rode it up one road where I normally wouldn't walk (check out "Passo Tremalzo" on the web) - 10 miles in 1st gear - bike performed like a champ. I did worry all the time about one of those cylinders whacking a passing rock. Rode a V-Strom in Seattle - very nice bike - lousy seat - butt hurt after only about 50 miles. Of course, you can get a V-Strom AND an SV-650 for the price of a GS. FWIW about half of the bikes I saw in the Alps were "Adventure Tourer" types and half of those were GSes of various flavors. I want a GS. I'm having problems with the $15K part Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 11:50:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MFoDSi004852; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:50:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MFoBIt004841; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:50:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Anyone ride a BMW R1150GS or an "Adventure" Tourer? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002201c2624b$80b94550$a59ad73f@michael> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2002 15:48:58.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[90520CF0:01C2624F] There was a review in a magazine that said the vstorm was the most comfortable bike for a passenger. From the bikes tested. The r1150gs is really cool, and if you like do long distances its great. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 13:40:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MHejSi005317; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:40:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MHeiFL005308; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:40:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:40:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Chain Lube. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, it's time for my first chain lube. My Clymer service manual says to use a cleaner/degreaser which sez it's good to use with O-ring chains. Well, I couldn't find any of that, but I did find some Castrol Super Clean cleaner/degreaser, whose contents are: 2-Butoxyethanol, Sodium metasilicate, and Sodium hydroxide. Does anyone know if this gunk is safe to use on O-ring chains? Also picked up some Castrol Hypoy C Gear Oil (SAE 80W-90) -- is this the stuff I should be using on the chain itself? Does anyone go to the extent of actually unmounting their rear wheel to lube their chain, like my service manual recommends, or do they just slop on some of the ol' grease and call it a day? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 14:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MIn8Si005759; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:49:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MIn7JU005749; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:49:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020922184905.7355.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ok, can I get some advice on selling a used car. First of all, how to price it. THe car is a 1996 Lexus SC300. Edumunds and Kelly give a range, from trade-in to retail (dealer). I know the answer varies greatly from situation to situation, but some thoughts would nice. Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their price? Thanks leftie Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 14:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MIqaSi005808; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:52:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MIqaZm005801; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:52:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020922185229.9047.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Chain Lube. To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have never, ever heard of anyone taking the rear wheel off to lube a chain. I am sure some have. Just but the bike on the center stand, spin the wheel and lube away. YMMV, but I have cleaned the chain on my VFR with kerosene. The chain has lasted five years........ mark --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Well, it's time for my first chain lube. My Clymer > service manual says to > use a cleaner/degreaser which sez it's good to use > with O-ring > chains. Well, I couldn't find any of that, but I did > find some Castrol > Super Clean cleaner/degreaser, whose contents are: > 2-Butoxyethanol, Sodium > metasilicate, and Sodium hydroxide. Does anyone know > if this gunk is safe > to use on O-ring chains? > > Also picked up some Castrol Hypoy C Gear Oil (SAE > 80W-90) -- is this the > stuff I should be using on the chain itself? > > Does anyone go to the extent of actually unmounting > their rear wheel to > lube their chain, like my service manual recommends, > or do they just slop > on some of the ol' grease and call it a day? > > Fish. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 15:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MJ2XSi005897; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:02:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MJ2X8Q005889; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:02:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 22 Sep 2002 19:02:29 GMT Message-ID: <009101c2626c$b4542a80$6401a8c0@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" References: <20020922184905.7355.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:17:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > > Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their > price? > I can answer this...my dad bought a new car and the dealer told him instead of trading his old car in with them to take it to car max. He got over $1000 more there than at the dealership. I've heard a lot of people rave about it. When I get ready to sell the 'stang, I'm definitely going to take it there. LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 15:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MJSkSi006062; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:28:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MJSjtx006052; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:28:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <0A5C43B71EC8EE4F8393BCADE546841A0698E2@vie-its-exs02> From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:30:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" My experience with CarMax was good. We got more than what the dealer was offering for tradein. Paperwork was quick. Rudy '01 Blue SV650 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 2:49 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed ok, can I get some advice on selling a used car. Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their price? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 15:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MJs8Si006209; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:54:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MJs7vR006195; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:54:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C37A@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'Sanath S '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Anyone ride a BMW R1150GS or an "Adventure" Tourer? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:53:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sanath, I have a copy of Last Month's MCN - Motorcycle Consumer News... I compared the BMW 1150GS Adventurer with the Triumph Tiger, the Vstrom, and Aprilla's Caponord... If you want me to scan in the article and email you a copy over the next couple of days, I can do it... >From what I remember, the VStrom won, but the BMW was second.... I am personally a big fan of the GS... While I have never ridden the GS Adventurer. I have spent some time on a friends 1100GS and loved it... However, the Adventurer is pretty pricey - over 13K... However, in looking around on the dealers showroom. The VStrom while not being expensive, is NOT selling and I would be willing you could get one for under 8k... That leaves alot left over from aftermarket goodies... Let me know about the article... Jason -----Original Message----- From: Sanath S To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 9/21/02 6:15 PM Subject: Anyone ride a BMW R1150GS or an "Adventure" Tourer? Does anyone here ride a BMW R1150GS? I am considering different "Adventure" tourers. The R1150GS Adventure is high on my list. This seems like a great motorcycle, is it worth the money? I have also been hearing great things about the Suzuki V-Strom, which is considerably cheaper than the BMW and supposedly handles better and has a stronger motor. I am not sure if I can get over how it looks. Anyone here ride either the R1150GS or the V-Strom? Comments? Sanath 01 Ducati 996 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 17:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MLArSi006586; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:10:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MLAq0S006577; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:10:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020922211050.65695.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed To: Laura Granato , Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <009101c2626c$b4542a80$6401a8c0@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii it's possible they limit their purchases to cars less than five years old and w/ less than 60k miles --- Laura Granato wrote: > > > > Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their > > price? > > > I can answer this...my dad bought a new car and the > dealer told him instead > of trading his old car in with them to take it to car > max. He got over > $1000 more there than at the dealership. I've heard a > lot of people rave > about it. When I get ready to sell the 'stang, I'm > definitely going to take > it there. > > LAG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 17:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MLUCSi006822; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:30:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MLUBME006808; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:30:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020922172739.00bc9f00@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:30:03 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed In-Reply-To: <20020922184905.7355.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:49 AM 9/22/2002 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >ok, can I get some advice on selling a used car. > >First of all, how to price it. THe car is a 1996 >Lexus SC300. Edumunds and Kelly give a range, from >trade-in to retail (dealer). I know the answer varies >greatly from situation to situation, but some thoughts >would nice. I've sold a few cars in the metro DC area and the books values never seems to be in the ballpark. Some I was able to sell higher than book, others much lower. I think each geographic area has their own pricing scheme. What I did was look in the Post and see what similar cars were selling for and then, judging from the condition and mileage, adjusted accordingly. >Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their >price? I've only known one person that tried and since they were not buying a car from them, they were seriously lowballed. They ended up selling the car privately. >Thanks > >leftie Mark > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 17:31:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MLVUSi006961; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:31:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MLVUxO006953; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:31:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020922173022.0336df38@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:31:21 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed In-Reply-To: <009101c2626c$b4542a80$6401a8c0@dccracing.org> References: <20020922184905.7355.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:17 PM 9/22/2002 -0400, Laura Granato wrote: > > > > Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their > > price? > > >I can answer this...my dad bought a new car and the dealer told him instead >of trading his old car in with them to take it to car max. He got over >$1000 more there than at the dealership. I've heard a lot of people rave >about it. When I get ready to sell the 'stang, I'm definitely going to take >it there. > >LAG you'll definitely get lowballed at dealers when trading in a car. I don't know if CarMax is *great*. Selling a car privately usually will always get you more $$. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 17:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MLvvSi007131; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:57:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MLvuXg007123; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:57:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000501c26282$905bc8c0$90432c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: SPAM: Garage Sale - Last Call - Update Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:54:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Last call. This is what I have left. If you are at ALL interested, we need to seal a deal by NLT Wednesday afternoon/evening. Aerostich Stuff: $90 - Black Darien Jacket(XL). Needs heat taping repair so it isn't completely water proof. However, for fair weather riding this jacket is excellent protection. Has brand new shoulder and elbow pads. $15 - Shoulder and elbow pads (brand new) will fit Darien and Roadcrafter suits. These will only be sold if there is no interest in the Darien Jacket. Other Apparel: $20 - Shaf Leather vest (US size 52R) for you cruiser types. Has perforations from various pin dressings, otherwise excellent condition. $200 - BMW Savanah Jacket with Gortex Liner (US size 54R) for big body. Left arm at crash pad has been used but the jacket is still very useable. Original cost was over $600 and $200+ of that was the liner. You will NOT get wet with this liner, it's awsome! $90 - Gerbing Heated liner (US Size 62) for big body. Used Just one season. If you don't have electrics, you DON'T know what you are missing. This liner has heat in the arms and collar. I wore this jacket into the teens last year and was quite comfortable. http://www.gerbing.com/Pages/jl.html $50 - Leather Bomber Jacket (US chest 44R), brown. Needs wiping down. Made in Pakistan. Not a moto-jacket, but I used it that way. It is a tough leather. $10 - Tough (Cedar Key) Gloucester style rain jacket with hood (size XL). Just stuff: $10 - Battery, new as of this past March. Excellent condition! This was a Walmart purchase and will fit all kinds of motorcycles. To find out if it fits yours, go to www.yuasabatteries.com and search batteries by battery type for YTX14AHL-BS $30 - Leaf blower/bagger and box of bags $30 - Grass trimmer and new line with leaf rake negoti - Strait tooth rake, shovel and snow shovel Exercise Stuff: free - Nordic-trak pro. Used From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 18:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MM0rSi007180; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:00:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MM0rWh007174; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:00:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Sanath S" To: j_picton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Anyone ride a BMW R1150GS or an "Adventure" Tourer? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:00:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2002 22:00:45.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[80851B80:01C26283] >If you want me to scan in the article and email you a copy over >the next couple of days, I can do it... > I would love a copy if its not too much trouble. I am not sure if that mag is still avaliable on the newstands, I will check tomorrow. >From what I remember, the VStrom won, but the BMW was second.... I am >personally a big fan of the GS... While I have never ridden the GS >Adventurer. I have spent some time on a friends 1100GS and loved it... >However, the Adventurer is pretty pricey - over 13K... Vstrom seems to be the most logical choise, but the GS is certainly a good looking bike, while I have never ridden either one of these I did put a leg over the GS in a showroom and it seemed to fit me pretty well. Thanks for the info Sanath. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 18:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MMG2Si007300; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:16:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MMG1in007290; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:16:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:20:33 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed In-Reply-To: <20020922184905.7355.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their > price? > They use kelly blue book and average about 500 to 1000 below trade in, which is usally higher than true dealer trade in but lower than selling it yourself. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 18:29:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MMTKSi007406; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:29:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MMTJk4007397; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:29:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed In-Reply-To: <20020922184905.7355.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020922152153.P53847-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > ok, can I get some advice on selling a used car. > > First of all, how to price it. THe car is a 1996 > Lexus SC300. Edumunds and Kelly give a range, from > trade-in to retail (dealer). I know the answer varies > greatly from situation to situation, but some thoughts > would nice. You must honestly assess the car or have a car-geek friend take a look at it. Something in very good condition, both mechanically and cosmetically, would command a price higher on the scale. A good professional detailing can make a big difference in price if you're someone who doesn't do a good job of keeping a car clean. > Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their > price? Yes. I sold a very clean, reasonable mileage car that was only 15 months old to Carmax. I received about 3000 more than what I expected to receive from a dealer on trade in. YMMV, etc :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 18:33:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MMXJSi007571; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:33:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MMXJIN007565; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:33:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020922172739.00bc9f00@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <20020922152809.R53847-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > >Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their > >price? > > I've only known one person that tried and since they were not buying a > car from them, they were seriously lowballed. They ended up selling the > car privately. FWIW, I did not buy a car from Carmax when I sold them a car. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 18:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MMoJSi007713; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:50:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MMoJb9007705; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:50:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:50:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: New Triumphs Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I thought that Triumph had had a little problem with their factory going up in flames... so how come they're coming out with new models? (And, at that, how come nobody seems to be talking about them?) At least, I don't recall having seen the Speedmaster or Thunderbird Sport mentioned before... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 19:20:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8MNKKSi008504; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:20:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8MNKJ3P008495; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:20:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020922191925.0336d0b8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:20:11 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed In-Reply-To: <20020922152809.R53847-100000@magoo.noid.org> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020922172739.00bc9f00@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:29 PM 9/22/2002 -0700, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > > > >Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their > > >price? > > > > I've only known one person that tried and since they were not buying a > > car from them, they were seriously lowballed. They ended up selling the > > car privately. > >FWIW, I did not buy a car from Carmax when I sold them a car. > >-- Wayne interesting...good info. I'll keep them in mind should I decide to sell my Durango. If nothing else, it's just a little time that's wasted. No loss..no gain. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 20:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8N030Si008710; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:03:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8N02x6P008701; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:02:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:03:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed - CarMax Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Cc: DC Cycles From: Dave Cross Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020922191925.0336d0b8@pop.east.cox.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) I had Carmax appraise my 99 dodge dakota about 3 weeks ago. They offered $9000 for it. I will be selling it privately for around $14,500. NADA average retail is around $16,600 for it and average trade in of $14,400. Don't expect to get a reasonable price from them unless your car is in PERFECT condition. They sited the following as the reason for the price: - A small dent in the rear of the bed. Not big enough or noticeable enough for me to want to repair. I may repair it before I sell it. - Evidence of body work. The front quarter panel was repaired early in the trucks life when my wife hit the hand rail of our front steps when pulling out of the driveway which caused a quarter sized depression in the quarter panel. It is impossible to tell that there was a repair to the naked eye. You need to look at the inside of the quarter panel to see any signs of repair. The paint matches perfectly. - Small scratches on the door. Places where we missed the key hole when trying to unlock the door. Minor, but visible. I did purchase a car from them and it is in about as close to perfect condition as you can get. As I mentioned above i will be selling my truck privately. I wonder if they would consider selling bikes? <---- M/C content. dave On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 07:20 PM, Aki Damme wrote: > At 03:29 PM 9/22/2002 -0700, Wayne Edelen wrote: >> On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Aki Damme wrote: >> >> > >Second, has anyone sold to Carmax? How was their >> > >price? >> > >> > I've only known one person that tried and since they were not >> buying a >> > car from them, they were seriously lowballed. They ended up selling >> the >> > car privately. >> >> FWIW, I did not buy a car from Carmax when I sold them a car. >> >> -- Wayne > > > interesting...good info. I'll keep them in mind should I decide to > sell my Durango. > If nothing else, it's just a little time that's wasted. No loss..no > gain. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 20:20:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8N0KASi008820; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:20:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8N0KAkb008813; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed - CarMax Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal I took my Jeep to Carmax before I sold it. They offered me 14K on a vehicle worth 17k. I sold it privately for 17k. I was seriously disappointed in their offer, but found a much better deal privately. YMMV LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 21:36:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8N1amSi009233; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:36:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8N1alBf009225; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:36:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Dave Cross cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car selling advice needed - CarMax In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Don't expect to get a reasonable price from them unless your car is in > PERFECT condition. > Doh, yeah, forgot to mention that in my magic formula. It doesn't have to be perfect BUT if you have paintwork, the car won't be sold on the front lot, it goes to a wholesale auction and you get screwed on the cash offer. Same goes for older vehicles that won't be sold on their lot. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 22 23:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8N3aYSi009771; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:36:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8N3aTmg009752; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:36:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007701c262bb$e9c36ba0$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC Cycles _DCC" References: <000501c26282$905bc8c0$90432c42@c9rnf01> Subject: Re: Garage Sale - Last Call - Update Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:44:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: Ptypopsicl@XXXXXX Hi Todd, I'd be interested in the grass trimmer and the electric vest if they are still around. Possibly the bomber jacket. I didn't respond earlier because, quite frankly, I had a death in the family last week and was just not into buying stuff. Things are still real hectic around the house, so I wouldn't be able to retrieve these things till the weekend at earliest. Might take some other stuff, but those are the two items I have been looking for. Please let me know if they are still up for grabs. Thanks! -patti mprodgers@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: SPAM: Garage Sale - Last Call - Update > Last call. This is what I have left. If you are at ALL interested, we need > to seal a deal by NLT Wednesday afternoon/evening. > > Aerostich Stuff: > > $90 - Black Darien Jacket(XL). > Needs heat taping repair so it isn't completely > water proof. However, for fair weather riding > this jacket is excellent protection. Has > brand new shoulder and elbow pads. > > $15 - Shoulder and elbow pads (brand new) will fit Darien > and Roadcrafter suits. These will only be sold > if there is no interest in the Darien Jacket. > > Other Apparel: > > $20 - Shaf Leather vest (US size 52R) for you cruiser types. > Has perforations from various pin dressings, > otherwise excellent condition. > > $200 - BMW Savanah Jacket with Gortex Liner (US size 54R) for > big body. Left arm at crash pad has been used > but the jacket is still very useable. Original > cost was over $600 and $200+ of that was the > liner. You will NOT get wet with this liner, > it's awsome! > > $90 - Gerbing Heated liner (US Size 62) for big body. Used > Just one season. If you don't have electrics, > you DON'T know what you are missing. This liner > has heat in the arms and collar. I wore this > jacket into the teens last year and was quite > comfortable. http://www.gerbing.com/Pages/jl.html > > $50 - Leather Bomber Jacket (US chest 44R), brown. Needs > wiping down. Made in Pakistan. Not a moto-jacket, > but I used it that way. It is a tough leather. > > $10 - Tough (Cedar Key) Gloucester style rain jacket with hood > (size XL). > > Just stuff: > $10 - Battery, new as of this past March. Excellent condition! > This was a Walmart purchase and will fit all kinds > of motorcycles. To find out if it fits yours, go > to www.yuasabatteries.com and search batteries by > battery type for YTX14AHL-BS > > $30 - Leaf blower/bagger and box of bags > > $30 - Grass trimmer and new line with leaf rake > > negoti - Strait tooth rake, shovel and snow shovel > > Exercise Stuff: > free - Nordic-trak pro. Used > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 06:59:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NAxxSi012062; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:59:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NAxuKJ012043; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:59:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:59:54 -0400 From: "Docs@Shore" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: "Docs@Shore" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <172997859.20020923065954@shore.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boots In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jeff, Saturday, September 21, 2002, 9:57:02 PM, you wrote: JK> Was at Rockville HD today for their open house. Looked at Sidi Champion and JK> Alpinestar Web boots. I liked the Sidi Champions. Anyone have any experience JK> with either? Also, do Euro boots always run big in size? I'm a US 8, but I JK> ended up in the equivalent of a US 7. JK> Jeff K I bought a pair of Champions a few months ago, and I'm very impressed with the comfort I've got. I've worn them 18 hours at a time, 6 hours of sleep, and another 18 hours or so - and I was perfectly comfortable. As to the sizes, I *think* they run a little large. I just tried on several pairs until I found one that fit. Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- State Officer for Virginia Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 08:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NCJBSi012548; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:19:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NCJAcc012537; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:19:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D4A@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Starter Repair Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:19:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Seeking recommendation for local motorcycle starter repair. Need new brushes and the commutator turned. How do I know this? It's wrapped up in my brief case. I'm on digest so, a direct or cc response to Carl.Custer@XXXXXX would be a Good Thing. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 10:05:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NE53Si013197; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:05:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NE51Jc013183; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:05:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:04:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Doin' the rear-wheel shimmy Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't know where I was looking this morning when traffic came to a sudden halt behind the M3 which had run out of gas, but it wasn't where I should have been. Oops. Stopped in time (well in time, actually) -- but put a little too much pressure down on the rear brake, as it locked around 20 mph and shimmied back and forth until I came to a complete stop. At least I knew not to back off the brake... Yikes. Spooky. Normally it wouldn't have been an issue (I leave crazy amounts of following distance), but we'd just pulled away from a stop light. I think I may have been doing a head-check to get over a lane, which is why I didn't see the slowdown coming. Idiot. Fish. sigh From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 10:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NEPBSi013454; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:25:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NEPB1s013446; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:25:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Doin' the rear-wheel shimmy Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:24:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2002 14:24:04.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEDD5600:01C2630C] >Fish said: but put a >little too much pressure down on the rear brake, as it locked around 20 >mph and shimmied back and forth until I came to a complete stop. At least Marc responds: Must be one of those days! I had a Charter bus make left turner in front of me coming down 7th st NW. I saw him but I was sure he saw me coming. He made the turn anyway and I had to loCk the brakes; rear went a little squirrely, but nothing I couldn't handle. Nice wake up call in the morning though! Could have been ugly had I not been paying attention AND SLOWED DOWN. Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 11:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NF9LSi013824; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:09:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NF9Kf2013807; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:09:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002c01c26312$a1b74960$ae392c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/21/02 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:05:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:04:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/21/02 Todd wrote: >.... In fact they were just what Mark needed upside >his arrogant liberal head. >I just love left wing, liberal minded people...as a >source of amusement only. Generally speaking, I find >their opinions as repugnant as their cluelessness. Mark's "arrogant liberal head", meet Todd equally arrogant, plus intolerant and ignorant, evidently conservative head. May the two of you stumble into a locked room sometime. -------------------------------------------------- Wow Larry! You so smaht! You don't know me. In fact I am a card carrying Libertarian and actually share a lot of views with the liberal mindset. I do not share the views or opinions of the shrill, however. Mark has proven over, and over and over again what a "protector of the people" he dreams to be. It's so old already. >-- Larry (liberal-minded, leftist-leaning independent; >26 months in An Khe and Pleiku, '68-'70) Major, friggin', bummer. Salute. T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 11:13:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NFDKSi013977; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:13:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NFDKZm013968; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:13:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <033701c26313$8bfae7c0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" References: <002c01c26312$a1b74960$ae392c42@c9rnf01> Subject: So who's running LMS Track Day? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:11:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Is anyone here going to Loudoun Motorsports Track Day on October 14th? Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com TL Message Board http://www.voy.com/14718/ TL Owners Board http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard mailto: gary@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 11:18:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NFINSi014136; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:18:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NFINrw014128; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:18:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Brad Faas" To: "DC Cycles _DCC" , "Gary Foreman" Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:15:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: So who's running LMS Track Day? Message-ID: <3D8EF7E8.23497.1530206E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <033701c26313$8bfae7c0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body I'll be there. Butt-ugly green/yellow SV, number 980. Brad On 23 Sep 2002 at 11:11, Gary Foreman wrote: > Is anyone here going to Loudoun Motorsports Track Day on October 14th? > > > Gary Foreman > TL Owners Club > http://www.tl1000.com > > TL Message Board > http://www.voy.com/14718/ > > TL Owners Board > http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard > > mailto: gary@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 11:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NFPLSi014325; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:25:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NFPKOg014317; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:25:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:24:25 -0400 Subject: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2002 15:25:16.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B5571A0:01C26315] I live in Virginia and recently sold a car. A couple weeks before I sold it I got a couple parking tickets in DC. I was hoping that with me selling the car, DC may not be able to track me down. No such luck. I just got a notice in the mail that I was late and the fines doubled. My question is, what can DC do to enforce the tickets? Can they boot my current car or bike, which has a different tag number? Rich "On the run" Westbrook From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 11:33:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NFXESi014505; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:33:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NFXErq014494; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:33:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 23 Sep 2002 15:33:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20020923153311.24645.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 166.42.32.193 (166.42.32.193) >I live in Virginia and recently sold a car. A couple weeks before I sold it >I got a couple parking tickets in DC. I was hoping that with me selling the >car, DC may not be able to track me down. No such luck. I just got a notice >in the mail that I was late and the fines doubled. >My question is, what can DC do to enforce the tickets? Can they boot my >current car or bike, which has a different tag number? >Rich "On the run" Westbrook [Dave] Time was, you could thumb your nose at DC tickets, but alas, those days have passed. Yes, they can boot / tow your car . Time was also that the meter readers wouldn't know or care about your other vehicles... Was this post amnesty ? I guess it really comes down to how much you go into DC ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 11:36:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NFanSi014663; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:36:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NFamFN014655; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:36:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020923153644.89557.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:36:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Richard Westbrook , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You are good to go. They only boot cars after three tickets with the SAME tag. Forget about it and move on. Glenn --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I live in Virginia and recently sold a car. A couple > weeks before I sold it > I got a couple parking tickets in DC. I was hoping > that with me selling the > car, DC may not be able to track me down. No such > luck. I just got a notice > in the mail that I was late and the fines doubled. > > My question is, what can DC do to enforce the > tickets? Can they boot my > current car or bike, which has a different tag > number? > > Rich "On the run" Westbrook > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 11:48:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NFmnSi014852; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:48:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NFmmrv014844; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:48:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Richard Westbrook wrote: > I live in Virginia and recently sold a car. A couple weeks before I sold it > I got a couple parking tickets in DC. I was hoping that with me selling the > car, DC may not be able to track me down. No such luck. I just got a notice > in the mail that I was late and the fines doubled. > > My question is, what can DC do to enforce the tickets? Can they boot my > current car or bike, which has a different tag number? Is a couple of parking tickets worth finding out? And... if you want to protest them, write a letter, per the instructions on the ticket. Explain the mitigating circumstances or some other such nonsense (I'd about bet that TG would do this for a fee) and see where it goes. The hassle alone will cost more than the parking ticket will. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 11:58:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NFwtSi015033; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:58:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NFwtAn015025; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:58:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000301c2631a$05d8f7c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Glenn Dysart" , "Richard Westbrook" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20020923153644.89557.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:53:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Unless you have other DC registered vehicles (found that out when I tried to renew bike registrations and had to pay off the wife's expired meter habit first) you're good to go. They can't boot other vehicles registered to you. Since you no longer have that vehicle with that plate number, no worries. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" > You are good to go. They only boot cars after three > tickets with the SAME tag. Forget about it and move > on. > > Glenn > > > --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > > I live in Virginia and recently sold a car. A couple > > weeks before I sold it > > I got a couple parking tickets in DC. I was hoping > > that with me selling the > > car, DC may not be able to track me down. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 12:42:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NGg6Si015402; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:42:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NGg5Mg015390; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:42:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:42:01 EDT Subject: Re: Doin' the rear-wheel shimmy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/23/2002 10:05:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > I think I may have been doing a head-check to get over a lane, > which is why I didn't see the slowdown coming. Been there done that. Only I did not _quite_ get it stopped. Bent the forks, and put a pea sized hole in the back of my jacket. I have no idea how I managed to go _over_ the windshield on an R80RT (Its as tall as a Gold Wings) without hitting it but I did, Landed flat on my back with no sliding at all, I was a dizzy mofo for an hour or so. Cannot spend much time on those headchecks, things happen fast out there. Glad to hear you saved it, blame it on skill. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 12:47:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NGl3Si015558; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:47:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NGl3HR015549; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:47:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020923124615.0221bdd0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:46:59 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:52 AM 9/23/2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >And... if you want to >protest them, write a letter, per the instructions on the ticket. That _never_ works. I have a feeling that the parking drone places them all neatly in the circular file. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 12:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NGxpSi015770; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:59:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NGxouV015762; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:59:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006801c26322$b42d49e0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Richard Westbrook" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20020923153644.89557.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c2631a$05d8f7c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:00:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>Unless you have other DC registered vehicles (found that out when I tried to >>renew bike registrations and had to pay off the wife's expired meter habit >>first) you're good to go. Not sure how the reciprocity works because it is different between each pair of states (or DC) but I had a friend who moved to DC from Little Rock a while back. He sold his car in Little Rock which had a number of tickets, not a ton, maybe four... changed his license to DC and did not own a car for a couple of years. When he bought a car in DC recently, he could not register it until he gave Arkansas what they wanted for the parking tickets... different car, different state, and I am sure it took them a while to track him down, but they would not even give him paper tags for the new car till he took care of the tickets. So if you ever plan on owning another car or bike, you might be stuck paying them. Having been the victim of many a DMV nightmare, I would just pay them to keep them from haunting me in the future. Kind of like an offering to the DMV gods. cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 13:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NHB0Si016038; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:11:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NHAwCu016017; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:10:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020923130629.00b25f68@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:10:50 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <006801c26322$b42d49e0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> References: <20020923153644.89557.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c2631a$05d8f7c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Having been the victim of many a DMV nightmare, I would just pay them to >keep them from haunting me in the future. Kind of like an offering to the >DMV gods. > >cheers, > >patti and..on a semi-similar note, if any of you ride out near Lovettsville Va., be warned that they are cracking down *hard* on speeding. The speed reduction is pretty dramatic coming into the town (35mph) and there's not a lot of warning. I got nailed doing 59 in a 35 about 3 weeks ago out there. I honestly didn't think I had reached the 35mph limit yet. So the cop was kind to me and although he wrote me a ticket, he didn't charge me with reckless. After he wrote me the ticket, he wanted to yak on and on about my Harley..sheesh... $119 donated to the county of Loudon... *sigh*... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 13:15:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NHFESi016180; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:15:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NHFExN016172; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:15:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020923171508.3057.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Aki Damme , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020923130629.00b25f68@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Uh... Aki you might want to check on that. In Virginia, ANY speed 20mph over the limit is automatically counted as reckless driving (or anything 80 or above, btw). It also requires a court appearance - you can't just pay the fine and be done with it. It's a state law, IIRC. Chris Weaver --- Aki Damme wrote: > I got nailed doing 59 in a 35 about 3 weeks ago out > there. I honestly didn't > think I had reached the 35mph limit yet. So the cop > was kind to me and > although > he wrote me a ticket, he didn't charge me with > reckless. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 13:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NHJBSi016339; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:19:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NHJBbY016327; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:19:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020923131638.00bb81f0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:19:04 -0400 To: Chris Weaver , DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <20020923171508.3057.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020923130629.00b25f68@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:15 AM 9/23/2002 -0700, Chris Weaver wrote: >Uh... Aki you might want to check on that. In >Virginia, ANY speed 20mph over the limit is >automatically counted as reckless driving (or anything >80 or above, btw). It also requires a court appearance >- you can't just pay the fine and be done with it. >It's a state law, IIRC. > >Chris Weaver I thought so too Chris, but I called their courthouse and also verified at the DMV site. There *are* differences. When I worked for DMV *any* speed in excess of 20mph was automatically reckless. However they changed that now. You CAN be charged with speeding over 20mph without reckless being charged. Surprised me as well when the cop said he wasn't going to charge me with reckless. I checked DMV's website and it lists over 20 w/reckless and over 20 by itself. One is 4 points, the lesser is 3. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 13:19:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NHJnSi016475; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:19:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NHJmFo016468; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:19:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020923171946.94379.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Chris Weaver , Aki Damme , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020923171508.3057.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not true. The LEO can still write you a ticket for speeding and its NOT reckless. Although its still a six point offense (which requires you to go to court) so he really didn't cut you that much slack if any. Glenn --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Uh... Aki you might want to check on that. In > Virginia, ANY speed 20mph over the limit is > automatically counted as reckless driving (or > anything > 80 or above, btw). It also requires a court > appearance > - you can't just pay the fine and be done with it. > It's a state law, IIRC. > > Chris Weaver > > > --- Aki Damme wrote: > > I got nailed doing 59 in a 35 about 3 weeks ago > out > > there. I honestly didn't > > think I had reached the 35mph limit yet. So the > cop > > was kind to me and > > although > > he wrote me a ticket, he didn't charge me with > > reckless. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 13:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NHPUSi016644; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NHPUZA016636; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020923132312.00bb9228@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:22 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <20020923171946.94379.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020923171508.3057.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:19 AM 9/23/2002 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >Not true. The LEO can still write you a ticket for >speeding and its NOT reckless. Although its still a >six point offense (which requires you to go to court) >so he really didn't cut you that much slack if any. > >Glenn whoops I stand corrected on the points...actually he did help me in the scheme of things. One requires a court appearance and could lead to a suspension, the just over 20 over will stay on my record for 5 years and hurt my insurance but that's about it. The reckless would stay on my record for 11 years and definitely rocket my insurance up...especially if it comes with a suspension. -aki >--- Chris Weaver wrote: > > Uh... Aki you might want to check on that. In > > Virginia, ANY speed 20mph over the limit is > > automatically counted as reckless driving (or > > anything > > 80 or above, btw). It also requires a court > > appearance > > - you can't just pay the fine and be done with it. > > It's a state law, IIRC. > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > > > --- Aki Damme wrote: > > > I got nailed doing 59 in a 35 about 3 weeks ago > > out > > > there. I honestly didn't > > > think I had reached the 35mph limit yet. So the > > cop > > > was kind to me and > > > although > > > he wrote me a ticket, he didn't charge me with > > > reckless. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 13:34:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NHYuSi016824; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:34:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NHYuRi016816; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:34:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020923173453.62208.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Doin' the rear-wheel shimmy To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii clear and convincing evidence of the danger of using the rear brake.... skidmarks --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Don't know where I was looking this morning when traffic > came to a sudden > halt behind the M3 which had run out of gas, but it > wasn't where I should > have been. Oops. Stopped in time (well in time, actually) > -- but put a > little too much pressure down on the rear brake, as it > locked around 20 > mph and shimmied back and forth until I came to a > complete stop. At least > I knew not to back off the brake... > > Yikes. Spooky. Normally it wouldn't have been an issue (I > leave crazy > amounts of following distance), but we'd just pulled away > from a stop > light. I think I may have been doing a head-check to get > over a lane, > which is why I didn't see the slowdown coming. Idiot. > > Fish. > sigh __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 13:42:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NHgESi017011; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:42:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NHgCtR016992; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:42:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020923133222.0232ceb8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:42:08 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020923130629.00b25f68@pop.east.cox.net> References: <006801c26322$b42d49e0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> <20020923153644.89557.qmail@XXXXXX> <000301c2631a$05d8f7c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Go argue it in court. Never give in. Never roll over. http://www.motorists.org At the very least, you can get a fine reduction. At best, get it tossed out. Find out if the 35 sign was hidden, or the cop was running a 'speed trap'. See how many people he nabbed that day as opposed to usual. Get his radar calibration. Etc, etc. I believe if you do the crime, you should do the time. But I don't believe in tickets as a tax substitute. I'm still pissed off at Summersville, WV for a ticket 3 years ago. Speed trap. 55 zone four lane highway has a poorly marked 45 zone for 1/4 mile. Check out http://www.speedtrap.com and look at WV. Argh. At 01:10 PM 9/23/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >I got nailed doing 59 in a 35 about 3 weeks ago out there. I honestly didn't >think I had reached the 35mph limit yet. So the cop was kind to me and >although >he wrote me a ticket, he didn't charge me with reckless. > >After he wrote me the ticket, he wanted to yak on and on about my >Harley..sheesh... > >$119 donated to the county of Loudon... *sigh*... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 13:45:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NHjlSi017151; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:45:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NHjkAO017142; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:45:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020923134456.02321a58@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:45:43 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sorry - should have been speedtrap.org - or more directly : http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.htm And the summersville reference.... http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/ste.asp?state=WV&range=M-Z ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 14:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NIwASi017688; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:58:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NIw7ta017669; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:58:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:58:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: National Scenic Byways Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cool. http://www.byways.org/ Sadly, I wasted -- _wasted_ -- the weekends SWMBO was out of town, when I could have been off exploring neat new roads. And now my weekends are booked through November, when long road trips are probably not going to be as much fun. Sad. Fish. still, there's always next spring From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 15:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NJcrSi017997; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:38:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NJcq1f017987; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:38:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: National Scenic Byways Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:37:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962304F575A8@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: National Scenic Byways Thread-Index: AcJjOMtQo9vbyR+tR0G8rfQ2NujMbA== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8NJcpSi017975 I rode on WVA 150 (Highland Scenic Highway) in July one morning, kind of like the Blue Ridge pky but with less traffic (2 cars). A grown black bear ran across the road a few hundred feet in front of me. George Cole >>> Fish Flowers 09/23/02 02:58PM >>> Cool. http://www.byways.org/ Sadly, I wasted -- _wasted_ -- the weekends . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 15:42:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NJg4Si018062; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:42:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NJg3Bb018053; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:42:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005301c26339$26b55960$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: National Scenic Byways Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:36:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- "Fish Flowers" noted, with despair: > Sadly, I wasted -- _wasted_ -- the weekends SWMBO was out of town, when I > could have been off exploring neat new roads. And now my weekends are > booked through November, when long road trips are probably not going to be > as much fun. Sad. > > Fish. > still, there's always next spring Don't give up hope! Widder and Gerbing can make the DC area 12-month riding territory. Some of my best and most memorable rides have been in Dec., Jan. and Feb. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 16:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NKTCSi018331; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:29:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NKTB4p018321; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:29:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:29:07 -0700 From: To: Tom Gimer Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Doin' the rear-wheel shimmy Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Ooooh ... a rear brake thread! Can we beat this dead horse any more??? Fish - Glad you're OK. If you're gonna insist on using the rear brake (can't remember what you ride but for some reason I'm thinking it's a cruiser of some sort), firmly apply the front brake first and then gently apply the rear brake. That should pretty much eliminate either locking up the rear or fishtailing it. Of course, you could just use the front brake. %^) Chuck P.S. Been there, done that with the rear brake. Once. Learned my lesson. On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: clear and convincing evidence of the danger of using the rear brake.... skidmarks --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Don't know where I was looking this morning when traffic > came to a sudden > halt behind the M3 which had run out of gas, but it > wasn't where I should > have been. Oops. Stopped in time (well in time, actually) > -- but put a > little too much pressure down on the rear brake, as it > locked around 20 > mph and shimmied back and forth until I came to a > complete stop. At least > I knew not to back off the brake... > > Yikes. Spooky. Normally it wouldn't have been an issue (I > leave crazy > amounts of following distance), but we'd just pulled away > from a stop > light. I think I may have been doing a head-check to get > over a lane, > which is why I didn't see the slowdown coming. Idiot. > > Fish. > sigh From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 16:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NKbqSi018524; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:37:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NKbpeV018513; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:37:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020923203749.95198.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Doin' the rear-wheel shimmy To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oh shit.... here we go! btw, the horse is alive and well. if i were going to use the rear (something i've started doing for straight-line stops), i think i'd apply it FIRST (or contemporaneously with the front) to plant the rear a bit. braking with the front first will lighten the rear, potentially making a lock-up easier if the rear is later applied. --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Ooooh ... a rear brake thread! Can we beat this dead > horse any more??? > > Fish - Glad you're OK. If you're gonna insist on using > the rear brake (can't > remember what you ride but for some reason I'm thinking > it's a cruiser of some > sort), firmly apply the front brake first and then gently > apply the rear > brake. That should pretty much eliminate either locking > up the rear or > fishtailing it. > > Of course, you could just use the front brake. %^) > > Chuck > > P.S. Been there, done that with the rear brake. Once. > Learned my lesson. > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer > wrote: > > clear and convincing evidence of the danger of using the > rear brake.... skidmarks __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 16:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NKc4Si018557; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:38:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NKc4xq018551; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:38:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:38:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Doin' the rear-wheel shimmy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Ooooh ... a rear brake thread! Can we beat this dead horse any > more??? Sure. *flog* *flog* *flog* (Unrelated side note: Did you know that "golf" spelled backwards is "flog"? Clearly golfers are simply asking for it.) Nah, not trying to restart the rear-brake flamewar. So I'll just stick to snide comments about golfers. Fish. '92 gs500e From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 17:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NLP3Si019287; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:25:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NLP2Cl019279; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:25:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020923212500.71733.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Richard Westbrook , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i haven't read the many responses to this query, but in my experience the state MVAs are working together to collect parking ticket and moving violation revenues. for example, often you cannot title a vehicle without clearing up flags that appear on your record, even those from other jurisdictions. :( --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I live in Virginia and recently sold a car. A couple > weeks before I sold it > I got a couple parking tickets in DC. I was hoping that > with me selling the > car, DC may not be able to track me down. No such luck. I > just got a notice > in the mail that I was late and the fines doubled. > > My question is, what can DC do to enforce the tickets? > Can they boot my > current car or bike, which has a different tag number? > > Rich "On the run" Westbrook > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 17:39:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NLd5Si019432; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:39:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NLd4vq019421; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:39:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: electric vests/jackets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Paul mentioned electric gear in a recent post, and had a few questions for the group. I'm planning on continuing to use the bike to commute on even once the temps begin to dip, so I think some level of electrics are going to be mandatory. I've been looking at both the vests and the higher wattage jackets from several companies. I've been able to find several favorable vest reviews, but not many opinions on the full jackets... anyone out there have one, use one, or have opinions about them? -jd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 17:45:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NLj2Si019552; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:45:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NLj2nw019544; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:45:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:44:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Time to WV Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How long does it take y'all to get to West Virginia? I keep hearing people talk about riding in WV, but I can't seem to massage a time under seven hours out of MapQuest. Not exactly ideal for a day trip. Is there a faster route, or does everyone just fling a tent and sleeping bag on the back of the bike and camp out? It's too bad SWMBO doesn't show much interest in riding, either herself or as a pillion. That's gonna make getting weekends off to go riding a little more difficult. Fish. okay, a lot more difficult From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 17:56:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NLuWSi019886; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:56:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NLuWTP019878; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:56:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:01:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Time to WV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > How long does it take y'all to get to West Virginia? I keep hearing people > talk about riding in WV, but I can't seem to massage a time under seven Its less than 15 minutes from my front door in Leesburg to the border of WV. Now if you want a decent road like 33, its about 2 hours and change. After enjoying a minor hassle from the PO-PO on 211 yesterday, WV keeps looking better and better. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 17:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NLvISi019942; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:57:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NLvIUb019938; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:57:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" , Subject: RE: electric vests/jackets Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:58:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2002 21:56:04.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[037BE230:01C2634C] Ive got a widder electric vest, with the arm extensions. Its cheaper than the gerbing full jacket. I wish i had gotten the gerbing stuff, but i did not know at the time. Ive heard gerbing is warmer, you can get electric pants as well. They also use more electrical power than the widder. On the widder, you can get arm chaps, leg chaps, electric gloves. The electric gloves are HUGE, you can hardley ride with them. the Gerbing gloves are HUGE, but not as HUGE as widders gloves. Go to a BMW dealer, they will hook you up. I like Bobs bmw in Laurel. The socket, costs around 30$ Installs in like 10 minutes. Easy Easy. I ride my bike year round as well, there are other things to worry about in the winter, like Snow, Ice, cold storms, wind blasts, slipery surfaces, bears and non sticking tires. Ricardo Paul mentioned electric gear in a recent post, and had a few questions for the group. I'm planning on continuing to use the bike to commute on even once the temps begin to dip, so I think some level of electrics are going to be mandatory. I've been looking at both the vests and the higher wattage jackets from several companies. I've been able to find several favorable vest reviews, but not many opinions on the full jackets... anyone out there have one, use one, or have opinions about them? -jd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 17:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NLvJSi019966; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:57:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NLvJWB019956; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:57:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" , "Fish Flowers" Subject: RE: Time to WV Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:58:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2002 21:56:07.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[05695A50:01C2634C] Fish, (By the way, cool name) Where are you at? Harpers ferry is the closest WVA near me, im in Burtonsville, MD. I often take day long trips into WVA, i never calculate the hours. But usually leave at 8-9am, come back 3-7pm. Of course it depends on where i want to go. I love WVA If you wanna hit WVA, lemme know sucka From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 17:59:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NLxgSi020251; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:59:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NLxgvF020243; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:59:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020923174250.02b30a20@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:59:34 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <20020923212500.71733.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:25 PM 9/23/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >i haven't read the many responses to this query, but in my >experience the state MVAs are working together to collect >parking ticket and moving violation revenues. for example, >often you cannot title a vehicle without clearing up flags >that appear on your record, even those from other >jurisdictions. :( Last I heard, there was a federal mandate that all states, (probably with a threat to cut off highway funds), to comply with a National Drivers Record database, or NDR. When I worked at DMV in Va., only about 1/2 of the states had complied but there were some legal issues with some states that grandfathered them past the 2001 deadline. When someone from out of state applied for a Va. drivers license, or to register a vehicle, the computer automatically did an NDR check to see if there's any bad info there that would prevent the transaction from going through. Typical NDR "hits" that would come up are suspended licenses due to unpaid fines, warrants, and revoked licenses. Parking fines are not entered. When something like that came up, we had to tell them that we couldn't complete the transaction until that issue was cleared up. We *did* routinely call the DMV that entered the infraction however to try and help clear up the problem. Sometimes, the database hadn't been updated and the fine had been paid and the record should of been cleared. At that point we could approve the transaction if we had proof that the record was in error, (typically, the other DMV would fax us a copy of the drivers clear record which we would attach to the NDR printout). Sounds A LOT like a credit record eh? Oh, and at least a dozen times we had problems with stolen identities..*that* was messy and usually had to be handled by the court system. This NDR was "phase 2" with phase 1 being the national Commercial Drivers License database, (or CDL database), being established. Issues really got cloudy if, say you have a Tennessee license, get a ticket that you don't pay in Kentucky and Tennessee isn't part of the NDR *and* Kentucky doesn't report it back to Tennessee. So your Tennessee license is clear yet an NDR check shows you have a suspended out of state license due to unpaid fines in Kentucky. Now you or the Va. DMV has to contact Kentucky's DMV and clear it up which doesn't have you in *their* DMV database because you don't have a Kentucky license! So you have to call the country court that you got the ticket in..blah blah...well..suffice to say it can get messy. It may even require you to physically appear in Kentuckys court if there's a warrant out for you. My recommendation? Pay your fines or go to court, but don't let them hang out there. Big Brother is watching and *that* truly sucks. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 17:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NLxiSi020285; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:59:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NLxisX020279; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:59:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016c01c2634c$4f4e6fc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: electric vests/jackets Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:57:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > Paul mentioned electric gear in a recent post, and had a few questions for > the group. > > I'm planning on continuing to use the bike to commute on even once the > temps begin to dip, so I think some level of electrics are going to be > mandatory. I've been looking at both the vests and the higher wattage > jackets from several companies. I've been able to find several favorable > vest reviews, but not many opinions on the full jackets... > > anyone out there have one, use one, or have opinions about them? > > -jd > I have the Gerbing full jacket liner, the thin unquilted version. Turned up full blast (100 W) that thing could probably roast the Thanksgiving bird and it's thin enough to fit under my leathers. I consider it pretty much required to ride below 40 for extended periods, on the VFR at least. Depending on the bike, you will want to monitor the power consumption in stop and go traffic, or you could find yourself suddenly turned into a pedestrian when you go to start the bike again. I've had mine for two seasons now and love it. I took the plunge after a knee-knocking trip to SW Va. in the fall of 2000. We encountered frost and sleet the first weekend of October. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 18:06:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NM6QSi020643; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:06:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NM6PmF020636; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:06:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8F91A5.36FDD7D2@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:11:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Time to WV References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > How long does it take y'all to get to West Virginia? I keep hearing people > talk about riding in WV, but I can't seem to massage a time under seven > hours out of MapQuest. Not exactly ideal for a day trip. Is there a faster > route, or does everyone just fling a tent and sleeping bag on the back of > the bike and camp out? Yes, good plan. A small tent of course, and in the summer I ditch the sleeping bag and carry a light blanket. I have one of those self-inflating pads too. No need to carry chow, seems they sell food dern near everywhere! Go figure... > It's too bad SWMBO doesn't show much interest in riding, either herself or > as a pillion. This is a bad thing? > That's gonna make getting weekends off to go riding a little > more difficult. > > Fish. > okay, a lot more difficult Hmm... You need to score kitchen pass points, or do what I do - become so obnoxious she's overjoyed when I start packing the gear on the scoot! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 18:09:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NM90Si020817; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:09:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NM8x1f020811; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:08:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020923220857.74742.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:08:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Tom Gimer , Richard Westbrook , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020923212500.71733.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well I've had several unpaid parking tickets from DC dating back to probably 1994 and I have never had a problem registering a vehicle in VA, obtaining credit (as they claim they will report you to creditors) for my house, I've even refi'd twice without so much as a word. I say if you live in VA fuck paying the DC parking tickets... Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i haven't read the many responses to this query, but > in my > experience the state MVAs are working together to > collect > parking ticket and moving violation revenues. for > example, > often you cannot title a vehicle without clearing up > flags > that appear on your record, even those from other > jurisdictions. :( __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 18:14:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NMEtSi021054; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:14:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NMEtwV021044; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:14:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020923181147.02b2d660@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:14:48 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <20020923220857.74742.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020923212500.71733.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:08 PM 9/23/2002 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >Well I've had several unpaid parking tickets from DC >dating back to probably 1994 and I have never had a >problem registering a vehicle in VA, obtaining credit >(as they claim they will report you to creditors) for >my house, I've even refi'd twice without so much as a >word. I say if you live in VA fuck paying the DC >parking tickets... > >Glenn True Glenn... I know for *sure* that DC wasn't in the NDR database. And even if there are now, parking tickets are not forwarded to the NDR. The only time I would think it would be an issue is if you move to DC, DC becomes part of the NDR, or a future employer does a DC records check (like maybe for a clearance or something). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 18:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NMF4Si021090; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:15:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NMF3Fp021086; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:15:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:15:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Free Maps Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Seems like most states give out free state road maps on their websites. So far as I'm concerned, this rocks on toast. I love maps. Of course, the Maryland website is http://www.mdisfun.org/, which seems a bit like wishful thinking. Sorta like naming New Jersey the "Garden State". Fish. bunker state is more like it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 18:18:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NMI6Si021277; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:18:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NMI6N9021268; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:18:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020923221804.81132.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:18:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Glenn Dysart , Richard Westbrook , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020923220857.74742.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Well I've had several unpaid parking tickets from DC > dating back to probably 1994 and I have never had a > problem registering a vehicle in VA, obtaining credit > (as they claim they will report you to creditors) for > my house, I've even refi'd twice without so much as a > word. I say if you live in VA fuck paying the DC > parking tickets... i like the way you think, dysart. i'll be watching you. however, those of us who get sued when they give an improper opinion feel that it is best to check with the state MVA/DMV in which the licensee/vehicle are registered to determine the extent of the reciprocity given by that jurisdiction for parking fines incurred in other jurisdictions. > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i haven't read the many responses to this query, but > > in my > > experience the state MVAs are working together to > > collect > > parking ticket and moving violation revenues. for > > example, > > often you cannot title a vehicle without clearing up > > flags > > that appear on your record, even those from other > > jurisdictions. :( __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 18:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NMLMSi021462; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:21:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NMLMAI021455; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:21:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020923222120.10098.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:21:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Time to WV To: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles , Fish Flowers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ricardo: any chance we saw you and another r1 pilot (or two) in petersburg, wva on saturday? --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > Fish, > (By the way, cool name) > > > Where are you at? Harpers ferry is the closest WVA near > me, im in > Burtonsville, MD. > > I often take day long trips into WVA, i never calculate > the hours. But > usually leave at 8-9am, come back 3-7pm. Of course it > depends on where i > want to go. > > I love WVA > > If you wanna hit WVA, lemme know sucka __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 18:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NMWESi021753; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:32:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NMWEpN021745; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:32:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01e101c26350$d5a52a60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Free Maps Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:27:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Free Maps > Seems like most states give out free state road maps on their websites. So > far as I'm concerned, this rocks on toast. I love maps. > > Of course, the Maryland website is http://www.mdisfun.org/, which seems a > bit like wishful thinking. Sorta like naming New Jersey the "Garden > State". > > Fish. > bunker state is more like it > You might think differently about NJ if you ventured off the Turnpike a little. I had the opportunity to ride through some of the Pine Barrens region this past weekend and the northwestern part of NJ is quite nice. As for MD, ditto, the 80% of the state that hasn't been over-run by sprawl-burbia that is. There are even fun rural roads in [gasp] PG County that are fit for a little after work spin. In fact, the bellyaching about no decent roads might just convince me to put a "relaxed" PG-Pax River-Western Shore of MD ride together. Unlike my "Tour de DC" last Nov. we might even get out of third gear. ;) Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 19:09:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NN9oSi023309; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:09:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NN9nRQ023298; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:09:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:05:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dccycles Subject: RE: Time to WV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020923160414.O66977-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Where are you at? Harpers ferry is the closest WVA near me, im in > Burtonsville, MD. I live on the east side of Frederick, heading towards Charm City on 70. There are so many nice roads around here, I generally just ride near my house. :-) Oh yeah, it takes me about 25 mins to get into Harper's Ferry. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 19:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NNexSi023841; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:40:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NNevbm023822; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:40:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:40:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Free Maps From: Jeff Steele To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) "Paul Wilson" wrote: > In fact, the bellyaching about no decent roads might just convince me > to put > a "relaxed" PG-Pax River-Western Shore of MD ride together. Unlike my > "Tour > de DC" last Nov. we might even get out of third gear. ;) > Paul: I did the Western Shore route that you posted on your webpage and it was great. Croom Road doesn't have much to offer in terms of twisties, but it had very little traffic or stop signs/lights. I'd definitely be up for this ride. Jeff Steele '99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 20:16:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O0GmSi024510; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:16:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O0GmY0024506; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:16:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924001645.38862.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:16:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Chris Weaver , Aki Damme , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020923171508.3057.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii nope. va. is f-ed up in this department. va. bases its "reckless" for speeding counts on the mph zone. last time i checked, in a 35mph zone 60mph and over is considered reckless. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Uh... Aki you might want to check on that. In > Virginia, ANY speed 20mph over the limit is > automatically counted as reckless driving (or anything > 80 or above, btw). It also requires a court appearance > - you can't just pay the fine and be done with it. > It's a state law, IIRC. > > Chris Weaver > > > --- Aki Damme wrote: > > I got nailed doing 59 in a 35 about 3 weeks ago out > > there. I honestly didn't > > think I had reached the 35mph limit yet. So the cop > > was kind to me and > > although > > he wrote me a ticket, he didn't charge me with > > reckless. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 20:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O0ISSi024680; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:18:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O0ISPa024669; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:18:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924001825.65055.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:18:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: National Scenic Byways To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sounds a panty check is in order --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Cool. > > http://www.byways.org/ > > Sadly, I wasted -- _wasted_ -- the weekends SWMBO was out > of town, when I > could have been off exploring neat new roads. And now my > weekends are > booked through November, when long road trips are > probably not going to be > as much fun. Sad. > > Fish. > still, there's always next spring > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 20:39:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O0dBSi025075; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:39:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O0dBG6025068; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:39:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8FB312.1060309@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:34:26 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Doin' the rear-wheel shimmy References: <20020923203749.95198.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gimer, Who the f#@* cares what you think? Feel the love, bro'. %^) Chuck Tom Gimer wrote: > oh shit.... here we go! btw, the horse is alive and well. > > if i were going to use the rear (something i've started > doing for straight-line stops), i think i'd apply it FIRST > (or contemporaneously with the front) to plant the rear a > bit. braking with the front first will lighten the rear, > potentially making a lock-up easier if the rear is later > applied. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 20:44:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O0ieSi025286; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:44:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O0ien4025275; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:44:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D8FB45F.9060503@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:39:59 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Chris Weaver , Aki Damme , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets References: <20020924001645.38862.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's why if you get a ticket in VA and you were enough over the speed limit for it to be considered "reckless" (I think Chris may be right about the 20mph over threshold), the only way it's not going to be a reckless charge is if the cop just writes you up for speeding without citing how fast you were going. I had this happen to me on I-66 several years ago. I was caught dead to rights doing 85+. Cop said he had followed me from the time I got on 66 (at Route 123) for several miles until he pulled me over. Wanted to give me an opportunity to slow down, which of course I never did. Unmarked Fairfax County cop. Never saw the guy. I was polite and everything. He just charged with me with speeding without citing how fast I was going. He told me if he wrote down my speed, I'd have to go to court and face a reckless driving charge. I just paid a standard fine. Just shows up as a speeding citation on my driving record and for insurance purposes. Tom Gimer wrote: > nope. > > va. is f-ed up in this department. va. bases its > "reckless" for speeding counts on the mph zone. last time > i checked, in a 35mph zone 60mph and over is considered > reckless. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 20:53:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O0rrSi025539; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:53:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O0rr0w025531; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:53:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924005346.79060.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Schumer Subject: New/Old Lister To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just introducing myself again to the list. I haven't been involved for a couple years or so and now I'm back. Picked up my dream bike and ready to ride. Looking forward to meeting some old faces and new ones I haven't met yet. BTW, any rides this Sat. morning/afternoon? Jon Schumer 01' Aprilia Mille-R __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 21:05:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O15USi025906; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:05:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O15UMU025898; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:05:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926E2@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'DC-Cycles '" Subject: RE: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets (reckless in VA) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:06:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've been pulled over in VA for over 20 mph over and had the speed written on the ticket and it wasn't reckless. Anything over 80 mph CAN be reckless. I believe heard here anything over 95 mph can get you 5 days in jail. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck and Karen Pena To: Tom Gimer Cc: Chris Weaver; Aki Damme; DC-Cycles Sent: 9/23/02 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets That's why if you get a ticket in VA and you were enough over the speed limit for it to be considered "reckless" (I think Chris may be right about the 20mph over threshold), the only way it's not going to be a reckless charge is if the cop just writes you up for speeding without citing how fast you were going. I had this happen to me on I-66 several years ago. I was caught dead to rights doing 85+. Cop said he had followed me from the time I got on 66 (at Route 123) for several miles until he pulled me over. Wanted to give me an opportunity to slow down, which of course I never did. Unmarked Fairfax County cop. Never saw the guy. I was polite and everything. He just charged with me with speeding without citing how fast I was going. He told me if he wrote down my speed, I'd have to go to court and face a reckless driving charge. I just paid a standard fine. Just shows up as a speeding citation on my driving record and for insurance purposes. Tom Gimer wrote: > nope. > > va. is f-ed up in this department. va. bases its > "reckless" for speeding counts on the mph zone. last time > i checked, in a 35mph zone 60mph and over is considered > reckless. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 21:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O1BMSi026115; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:11:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O1BMAZ026106; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:11:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:06:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c26366$98457ce0$2782c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D8FB45F.9060503@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Chuck complained: ... I was caught dead to rights doing 85+. Cop said he had followed me from the time I got on 66 (at Route 123) for several miles until he pulled me over. Wanted to give me an opportunity to slow down, which of course I never did. Unmarked Fairfax County cop. Never saw the guy. I was polite and everything. He just charged with me with speeding without citing how fast I was going. He told me if he wrote down my speed, I'd have to go to court and face a reckless driving charge. I just paid a standard fine. Just shows up as a speeding citation on my driving record and for insurance purposes. [Dave] Of course, if you'd taken that ticket to court, you would've beaten it entirely because he didn't provide sufficient evidence for the charge - speeding at what speed and what was the limit. *VERY* few non lawyers can make a 'ticket technicality' dismissal stick, but it can be done. Then it wouldn't show up at all on your record... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 21:21:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O1LlSi026407; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:21:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O1LlXa026394; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:21:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924012146.8068.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: Chris Weaver , Aki Damme , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3D8FB45F.9060503@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > That's why if you get a ticket in VA and you were enough > over the speed > limit for it to be considered "reckless" (I think Chris > may be right > about the 20mph over threshold) he's not right. whether a cop can write you up for per se reckless due to speed depends upon the limit, and it's not set at 20mph over across the board. >, the only way it's not > going to be a > reckless charge is if the cop just writes you up for > speeding without > citing how fast you were going. there does seem to be some discretion vested with the officer with respect to the offense charged.... but if you're going 59 in a 35, "reckless" isn't a proper charge unless there is something other than speed giving rise to it.... > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > nope. > > > > va. is f-ed up in this department. va. bases its > > "reckless" for speeding counts on the mph zone. last > time > > i checked, in a 35mph zone 60mph and over is considered > > reckless. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 22:14:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O2EhSi027210; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:14:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O2EgA4027198; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:14:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dccycles" Subject: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:13:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Friday morning I got on the scoot to run some errands, savoring my last weekday of freedom prior to starting the new job. At 8 AM I got on my bike but didn't make it far, my bike broke down about two miles from my house. I set my helmet down on the curb and pushed the bike no more than 20 yards to a break in the curb so that I could push it up on to the sidewalk. With the bike resting on the sidewalk out of the way of the 40+ mph traffic I called my husband to tell him that the bike ceased to function and that it was parked safely on the sidewalk only 1.5 miles from our house. I then started my 1.5 mile walk home. I walked back to where I had set the helmet down. Helmet not there. Call husband again and say "my helmet is not where I left it no more than 10 minutes ago" Husband says I am hallucinating and maybe just a little shaken from breaking down on the road leading out of a rock quarry with many dump trucks flying down the road. Walk home in boots and leather pants, yuck. Get the car and go look for the helmet. By the time I drive the 1.5 miles back to where my bike is parked my husband Jay is there and is also looking for my helmet. I can't beleive my helmet is gone. I was never more than 20 yards from it, not gone for more than 10 minutes. Jay and I walked and drove all over looking for it. We talked to a few construction workers who were working across the road from all of this, more than 4 lanes away and I would have noticed any of them crossing the road to grab my helmet, they did not see it nor did they see anyone stop to grab it. Needless to say I will not be riding for a few days. Fuel line is on order for my bike, that should take a few days. I am in the process of ordering a new helmet but Arai has taken steps to make mail ordering helmets very difficult. Maybe I will just head over to Coleman today and pick one up, NOT!!!!! I just can't beleive it is gone, someone must have seen it sitting by the side of the road and stopped to pick it up. I really wish I knew what became of it, and the gloves that were in it. I am absolutely positive that it did not roll in to the road or off to the side. I just can't believe that someone would stop and take it, seeing as me and my bike were no more than 20 yards down the road. I certainly hope it was not a motorcyclist who took it, if it was I hope they crash wearing my helmet!!! I will forever be checking white Arai Signet GT helmets with tinted visors. I had marked my visor with a dab of pink nail polish to differentiate it from Jay's visors as they all share one cabinet near the garage. The most annoying thing about this is that what if my bike had just run out of gas or something like that, imagine going back to grab the helmet and working on getting fuel. Even if you got fuel you can't ride the bike home without a helmet. Lisa '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 23:03:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O33uSi027868; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:03:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O33uKb027859; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:03:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [216.164.115.17] From: "Marc Washington" To: "'Jon Schumer'" Cc: Subject: RE: New/Old lister Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:03:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c26377$001c7c00$1173a4d8@neo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2605 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020924013427.60173.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2002 03:03:48.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[01024820:01C26377] Well thank-you I got it from a guy who took pretty good care of it. But I think I got ripped off, what do you think ;) -----Original Message----- From: Jon Schumer [mailto:jonschumer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:34 PM To: Marc Washington Subject: re: New/Old lister --- Marc Washington wrote: > Welcome back Schumer!! > Marc Washington > 88' Honda Hawk Hmmm, nice bike Mr. Washington. Looks misteriously familiar to the one I use to own a couple years ago...... ===== Jon Schumer 01' Aprilia Mille-R __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 23:10:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O3ABSi028196; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:10:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O3AApc028183; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:10:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [216.164.115.17] From: "Marc Washington" To: "'Lisa Goddard'" , "'dccycles'" Subject: RE: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c26377$df6e6fd0$1173a4d8@neo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2605 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2002 03:10:03.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[E06AF840:01C26377] I feel for you, I am always worried about leaving my helmet anywhere! I see a lot of riders leave their helmets with their bikes (not what you did) But I gotta wonder if that safe either. Can't someone just cut the strap or rip the helmet off anyway.??? -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Goddard [mailto:lisagoddard@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:13 PM To: dccycles Subject: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. Friday morning I got on the scoot to run some errands, savoring my last weekday of freedom prior to starting the new job. At 8 AM I got on my bike but didn't make it far, my bike broke down about two miles from my house. I set my helmet down on the curb and pushed the bike no more than 20 yards to a break in the curb so that I could push it up on to the sidewalk. With the bike resting on the sidewalk out of the way of the 40+ mph traffic I called my husband to tell him that the bike ceased to function and that it was parked safely on the sidewalk only 1.5 miles from our house. I then started my 1.5 mile walk home. I walked back to where I had set the helmet down. Helmet not there. Call husband again and say "my helmet is not where I left it no more than 10 minutes ago" Husband says I am hallucinating and maybe just a little shaken from breaking down on the road leading out of a rock quarry with many dump trucks flying down the road. Walk home in boots and leather pants, yuck. Get the car and go look for the helmet. By the time I drive the 1.5 miles back to where my bike is parked my husband Jay is there and is also looking for my helmet. I can't beleive my helmet is gone. I was never more than 20 yards from it, not gone for more than 10 minutes. Jay and I walked and drove all over looking for it. We talked to a few construction workers who were working across the road from all of this, more than 4 lanes away and I would have noticed any of them crossing the road to grab my helmet, they did not see it nor did they see anyone stop to grab it. Needless to say I will not be riding for a few days. Fuel line is on order for my bike, that should take a few days. I am in the process of ordering a new helmet but Arai has taken steps to make mail ordering helmets very difficult. Maybe I will just head over to Coleman today and pick one up, NOT!!!!! I just can't beleive it is gone, someone must have seen it sitting by the side of the road and stopped to pick it up. I really wish I knew what became of it, and the gloves that were in it. I am absolutely positive that it did not roll in to the road or off to the side. I just can't believe that someone would stop and take it, seeing as me and my bike were no more than 20 yards down the road. I certainly hope it was not a motorcyclist who took it, if it was I hope they crash wearing my helmet!!! I will forever be checking white Arai Signet GT helmets with tinted visors. I had marked my visor with a dab of pink nail polish to differentiate it from Jay's visors as they all share one cabinet near the garage. The most annoying thing about this is that what if my bike had just run out of gas or something like that, imagine going back to grab the helmet and working on getting fuel. Even if you got fuel you can't ride the bike home without a helmet. Lisa '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 23:12:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O3C8Si028360; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:12:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O3C8de028350; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:12:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924031201.45540.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Schumer Subject: RE: New/Old lister To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001c26377$001c7c00$1173a4d8@neo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Marc Washington wrote: > Well thank-you I got it from a guy who took pretty > good care of it. But > I think I got ripped off, what do you think ;) lol, I don't know anyone else who would give you a 2 year payment plan w/o interest...... 8^O btw, I think you are sending 2 of the same messages to the list. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 23:18:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O3I7Si028597; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:18:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O3I6bK028584; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:18:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [216.164.115.17] From: "Marc Washington" To: "'Jon Schumer'" , Subject: RE: New/Old lister Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:17:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c26378$fb270920$1173a4d8@neo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2605 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020924031201.45540.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2002 03:17:59.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC321080:01C26378] That was messed up what you said about the payment plan!!! Sometimes it = takes a brotha a year or two to scrape that kinda cheese!! But the ol' Hawk is running great and she's ready ride the new buck April= ia mille R. So bring it on TTTRREEAAtch! - --- Marc Washington wrote: > Well thank-you I got it from a guy who took pretty > good care of it. But > I think I got ripped off, what do you think ;) lol, I don't know anyone else who would give you a 2 year payment plan w/o interest...... 8^O -----Original Message----- From: Jon Schumer [mailto:jonschumer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New/Old lister --- Marc Washington wrote: > Well thank-you I got it from a guy who took pretty > good care of it. But > I think I got ripped off, what do you think ;) lol, I don't know anyone else who would give you a 2 year payment plan w/o interest...... 8^O btw, I think you are sending 2 of the same messages to the list. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 23:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O3IvSi028743; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:18:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O3Ivsf028739; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:18:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924031850.47297.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:18:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: New/Old lister To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Marc Washington wrote: > That was messed up what you said about the payment > plan!!! Sometimes it takes a brotha a year or two > to scrape that kinda cheese!! > > But the ol' Hawk is running great and she's ready > ride the new buck Aprilia mille R. So bring it on > TTTRREEAAtch! I'll cut ya' nutz off! Sorry, old dcsportbike riders reference..... ===== Jon Schumer 01' Aprilia Mille-R __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 23:21:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O3LpSi028925; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:21:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O3LomA028919; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:21:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:31:21 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda Subject: Re: So who's running LMS Track Day? To: DC-Cycles Reply-to: shonda@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D8FDC89.A0F29A42@attglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja References: <002c01c26312$a1b74960$ae392c42@c9rnf01> <033701c26313$8bfae7c0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> Let's see, October 14th Do'h! its Monday! I'm no longer unemployed... I might go, if I could... Oh yeah, I'll be sick that day! If I'm sick that day, I'll be there with Red SuperHawk + Dodge Ram Pickup It's at the main course, right? Gary Foreman wrote: > > Is anyone here going to Loudoun Motorsports Track Day on October 14th? > > Gary Foreman > TL Owners Club > http://www.tl1000.com > > TL Message Board > http://www.voy.com/14718/ > > TL Owners Board > http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard > > mailto: gary@XXXXXX -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 23:34:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O3YFSi029213; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:34:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O3YFQ6029205; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:34:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924033413.33283.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:34:13 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: electric vests/jackets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > On the widder, you can get arm chaps, leg chaps, electric gloves. The > electric gloves are HUGE, you can hardley ride with them. On the countrary you quicly get used to them. The added benefit is that when the power quits you don't immediately go numb. for the non-powered, snowmobile mittens seem to do the trick. ===== ----- I'll belive in evlution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 23 23:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O3kVSi029509; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:46:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O3kSRK029488; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:46:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: So who's running LMS Track Day? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:49:53 -0400 Message-ID: <00ce01c2637d$7189bff0$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3D8FDC89.A0F29A42@attglobal.net> Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Loudoun Motorsports on the main track. $125 if paid by October 1, $165 after. -----Original Message----- From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:31 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: So who's running LMS Track Day? Let's see, October 14th Do'h! its Monday! I'm no longer unemployed... I might go, if I could... Oh yeah, I'll be sick that day! If I'm sick that day, I'll be there with Red SuperHawk + Dodge Ram Pickup It's at the main course, right? Gary Foreman wrote: > > Is anyone here going to Loudoun Motorsports Track Day on October 14th? > > Gary Foreman > TL Owners Club > http://www.tl1000.com > > TL Message Board > http://www.voy.com/14718/ > > TL Owners Board > http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard > > mailto: gary@XXXXXX -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 01:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O5PbSi030928; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:25:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8O5Pakb030915; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:25:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: yesterdays work commute Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020913165439.13146.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: <20020913165439.13146.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8O5PYSi030898 ROTFL!!!! You are sick. I like it. yes i'm catching up on messages. -Danny >[Dave] BAH! spray them with deer urine ! that particular problem is nothing that a spare windshield res. & plumbing, some wire & a switch, and 3 bottles of deer urine from the hunting section of WalMart won't take care of... so I've heard... > >Dave > >>--Jim > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Powered by Wild On Web: >Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! >http://www.wildonweb.com >|Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >|Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 06:22:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OAMHSi002715; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:22:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OAMEnX002696; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:22:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:22:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Nippy out there. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I feel almost guilty, but for the first time in four years I dressed in more than three layers this morning. Good thing I did, too, because it gets pretty nippy when you're doing 65 on the Beltway with an ambient of something like 50 deg F. Err, umm, I mean, it's very _bracing_. Yes, bracing. Woo! Hopefully my Streamliner will arrive today. Also looking at Rider Wearhouse stuff -- anyone have experience with them? Worth ordering from? Fish. mmm, balaclava From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 06:46:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OAkCSi003010; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:46:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OAkCZd003000; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:46:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:46:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Cheap Vansons Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It had to happen. Vanson has radically dropped the price on a bunch of their "Obsolete" styles. http://www.vansonleathers.com/store/obsolete_styles.htm Almost wish I hadn't gotten my Cobra, as the Night Avenger is now less than what I paid for mine (used). Hmm. Maybe for SWMBO... Fish. women in biker jackets, yum From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 07:00:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OB0RSi003224; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:00:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OB0Qmp003212; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:00:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:00:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Free Maps In-Reply-To: <01e101c26350$d5a52a60$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > You might think differently about NJ if you ventured off the Turnpike > a little. I lived in NJ for six years. My poor opinion of it is indelibly burnt into my brain. There's no changin' it now. :) > As for MD, ditto, the 80% of the state that hasn't been over-run by > sprawl-burbia that is. There are even fun rural roads in [gasp] PG > County that are fit for a little after work spin. Yep. I've been exploring back roads near my house (in [gasp] suburban PG County) for the last few weeks, and some of them are actually dern pretty! Church road (off 214 near the Six Flags) is particularly nice, as are many of the roads branching off of it. > In fact, the bellyaching about no decent roads might just convince me > to put a "relaxed" PG-Pax River-Western Shore of MD ride together. Cool. If you do, definitely let me know. I'll try to keep up. :) Fish. wishes he could get into the roads in the wildlife refuge From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 07:07:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OB77Si003348; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:07:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OB76Yd003338; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:07:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D90489B.F282DC4C@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:12:27 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Goddard CC: dccycles Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoa, that blows! The helmet thief should be flogged with old, greasy chains, and then hosed with carb cleaner. Makes me rethink my usual helmet security. When going into stores and the like I just park it on the bike. For work or long walks I lock it up, but I know a quick twist with a screwdriver would bust the cheesy helmet lock all to hell and gone. A few M/N riders who park where I do in Arlington just leave the helmet hanging on the bike - all day. This in a area where entire bikes have been boosted into vans for a trip to never-never land. Colemans isn't that bad on helmets. After crunching a 3/4 I got a Shoei 3/4 on sale, basic pearl white, nothing fancy. The old Springfield cycle sport moved down on US 1 outside the beltway and they gave me an additional racers discount (?) on a Shoei full face, again basic pearl white. Shop around, m/c stores do have sales. Bill Lisa Goddard wrote: > Friday morning I got on the scoot to run some errands, savoring my last > weekday of freedom prior to starting the new job. At 8 AM I got on my bike > but didn't make it far, my bike broke down about two miles from my house. I > set my helmet down on the curb and pushed the bike no more than 20 yards to > a break in the curb so that I could push it up on to the sidewalk. > > With the bike resting on the sidewalk out of the way of the 40+ mph traffic > I called my husband to tell him that the bike ceased to function and that it > was parked safely on the sidewalk only 1.5 miles from our house. I then > started my 1.5 mile walk home. I walked back to where I had set the helmet > down. Helmet not there. Call husband again and say "my helmet is not where > I left it no more than 10 minutes ago" > > Husband says I am hallucinating and maybe just a little shaken from breaking > down on the road leading out of a rock quarry with many dump trucks flying > down the road. > > Walk home in boots and leather pants, yuck. Get the car and go look for the > helmet. By the time I drive the 1.5 miles back to where my bike is parked > my husband Jay is there and is also looking for my helmet. > > I can't beleive my helmet is gone. I was never more than 20 yards from it, > not gone for more than 10 minutes. Jay and I walked and drove all over > looking for it. We talked to a few construction workers who were working > across the road from all of this, more than 4 lanes away and I would have > noticed any of them crossing the road to grab my helmet, they did not see it > nor did they see anyone stop to grab it. > > Needless to say I will not be riding for a few days. Fuel line is on order > for my bike, that should take a few days. I am in the process of ordering a > new helmet but Arai has taken steps to make mail ordering helmets very > difficult. > > Maybe I will just head over to Coleman today and pick one up, NOT!!!!! > > I just can't beleive it is gone, someone must have seen it sitting by the > side of the road and stopped to pick it up. I really wish I knew what > became of it, and the gloves that were in it. I am absolutely positive that > it did not roll in to the road or off to the side. I just can't believe > that someone would stop and take it, seeing as me and my bike were no more > than 20 yards down the road. I certainly hope it was not a motorcyclist who > took it, if it was I hope they crash wearing my helmet!!! > > I will forever be checking white Arai Signet GT helmets with tinted visors. > I had marked my visor with a dab of pink nail polish to differentiate it > from Jay's visors as they all share one cabinet near the garage. > > The most annoying thing about this is that what if my bike had just run out > of gas or something like that, imagine going back to grab the helmet and > working on getting fuel. Even if you got fuel you can't ride the bike home > without a helmet. > > Lisa > '95 VFR > > Lisa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 07:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OBC6Si003445; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:12:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OBC57N003437; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:12:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924070837.00b26928@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:11:57 -0400 To: "dccycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:13 PM 9/23/2002 -0400, Lisa Goddard wrote: >I can't beleive my helmet is gone. I was never more than 20 yards from it, >not gone for more than 10 minutes. Jay and I walked and drove all over >looking for it. We talked to a few construction workers who were working >across the road from all of this, more than 4 lanes away and I would have >noticed any of them crossing the road to grab my helmet, they did not see it >nor did they see anyone stop to grab it. whoa...that really *sucks*!!!! Seems everytime I heard of someone losing something like that, it seems it's always followed with "I was only away for just a few seconds". Man...too weird. I'm sure you double checked to make sure it didn't roll down an embankment or something? Where was this? >Needless to say I will not be riding for a few days. Fuel line is on order >for my bike, that should take a few days. I am in the process of ordering a >new helmet but Arai has taken steps to make mail ordering helmets very >difficult. > >Maybe I will just head over to Coleman today and pick one up, NOT!!!!! Colemans sucks ...true..but their accessory department is pretty well stocked. Their prices on helmets are about *average* so I wouldn't feel too guilty about buying a helmet from them but I'd never buy a bike or have my bike worked on there. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 07:13:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OBDSSi003501; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:13:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OBDS9R003492; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:13:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924071222.00bc7e60@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:13:20 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:46 AM 9/24/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >It had to happen. Vanson has radically dropped the price on a bunch of >their "Obsolete" styles. > >http://www.vansonleathers.com/store/obsolete_styles.htm > >Almost wish I hadn't gotten my Cobra, as the Night Avenger is now less >than what I paid for mine (used). Hmm. Maybe for SWMBO... > >Fish. >women in biker jackets, yum "Cheap" and "Vansons" shouldn't be in the same sentence...it upsets the natural order of the universe. Still outside of my price range unfortunately. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 07:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OBGlSi003694; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:16:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OBGkAd003686; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:16:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 04:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dccycles Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020924040943.H73830-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Lisa Goddard wrote: > Needless to say I will not be riding for a few days. Fuel line is on order > for my bike, that should take a few days. I am in the process of ordering a > new helmet but Arai has taken steps to make mail ordering helmets very > difficult. > > Maybe I will just head over to Coleman today and pick one up, NOT!!!!! That sucks, Lisa. I think Jay works in my building, I have a couple of helmets here at the house that you can borrow for the week until you can order up a new one. Drop me a line and let me know if you need one. I have a black/red med AGV and a black XL HJC CL12. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 07:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OBJSSi003762; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:19:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OBJSFU003750; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:19:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924071843.00bcd4f8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:19:20 -0400 To: dccycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. In-Reply-To: <20020924040943.H73830-100000@magoo.noid.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:12 AM 9/24/2002 -0700, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Lisa Goddard wrote: > > > Needless to say I will not be riding for a few days. Fuel line is on order > > for my bike, that should take a few days. I am in the process of > ordering a > > new helmet but Arai has taken steps to make mail ordering helmets very > > difficult. > > > > Maybe I will just head over to Coleman today and pick one up, NOT!!!!! > >That sucks, Lisa. I think Jay works in my building, I have a couple of >helmets here at the house that you can borrow for the week until you can >order up a new one. Drop me a line and let me know if you need one. > >I have a black/red med AGV and a black XL HJC CL12. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I have a med/lg black Shoei X9 Air as well if you need it. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 07:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OBTWSi003920; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:29:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OBTVDd003904; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:29:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924112928.85270.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 04:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets (reckless in VA) To: Rich Hall , "'DC-Cycles '" In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926E2@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You are right Rich, when I was 17, I got a 78 in a 35 and is was written as Speeding with the speed listed. Had to go to court just like a Reckless charge. I've been told by my VA lawyer friend that if you get caught in Fairfax doing anything over 90 they will send you to jail for a few days. Just remember though that it all depends on the judge. If you get charged with Reckless the statute allows the judge to send you to jail for 1 year and/or a $2500 fine! Now I've never heard anyone get hit with the max's before but it IS possible! One last note. My lawyer friend warned me once again to tell all of you about Rappahanock County. The cops are coming right out and telling him they don't like motorcycles. For this that are not familiar with which county this is, it includes at least the east side of 211, part of 647, etc. So take it east rolling through there. Glenn --- Rich Hall wrote: > I've been pulled over in VA for over 20 mph over and > had the speed written > on the ticket and it wasn't reckless. > Anything over 80 mph CAN be reckless. > I believe heard here anything over 95 mph can get > you 5 days in jail. > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 09:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ODc8Si005540; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:38:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ODc7Tn005527; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:38:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005e01c263cf$870929e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Lisa Goddard" , "dccycles" References: Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:36:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 That's terrible. Setting a helmet down for a minute or two is something I do all the time. Thanks for the cautionary tale, Lisa. I've been reading Ron Ayres's book on the Iron Butt Rally. One of the participants had his helmet stolen at a gas stop and it became an ordeal finding a replacement. I've become a little more circumspect about where I leave my lid, even my aging plain white Shoei. Having a helmet stolen would put the kibosh on a trip in a big hurry. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Goddard" > With the bike resting on the sidewalk out of the way of the 40+ mph traffic > I called my husband to tell him that the bike ceased to function and that it > was parked safely on the sidewalk only 1.5 miles from our house. I then > started my 1.5 mile walk home. I walked back to where I had set the helmet > down. Helmet not there. Call husband again and say "my helmet is not where > I left it no more than 10 minutes ago" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEGfSi006087; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:16:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEGe0k006078; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:16:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924141638.76869.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Tom Gimer , cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: Chris Weaver , Aki Damme , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020924012146.8068.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's the statute so we know what we're talking about. Tom's right that it's not +20 "across the board," but he's being pedantic on this point. The only speed in which it's NOT 20mph over is in a 35mph zone. speed limit reckless speed <30 (+20mph) 30 50 (+20mph) 35 60 40 60 (+20mph) >40 (+20mph) ....or +80mph anywhere http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-862 Chris Weaver --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Chuck and Karen Pena > wrote: > > That's why if you get a ticket in VA and you were > enough > > over the speed > > limit for it to be considered "reckless" (I think > Chris > > may be right > > about the 20mph over threshold) > > > he's not right. whether a cop can write you up for > per se > reckless due to speed depends upon the limit, and > it's not > set at 20mph over across the board. > > > > >, the only way it's not > > going to be a > > reckless charge is if the cop just writes you up > for > > speeding without > > citing how fast you were going. > > there does seem to be some discretion vested with > the > officer with respect to the offense charged.... but > if > you're going 59 in a 35, "reckless" isn't a proper > charge > unless there is something other than speed giving > rise to > it.... > > > > > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > nope. > > > > > > va. is f-ed up in this department. va. bases > its > > > "reckless" for speeding counts on the mph zone. > last > > time > > > i checked, in a 35mph zone 60mph and over is > considered > > > reckless. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OERoSi006276; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:27:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OERoRZ006268; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:27:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924102336.02219978@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:27:46 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <20020924141638.76869.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020924012146.8068.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:16 AM 9/24/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: >http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-862 > >Chris Weaver "or (iv) in excess of eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable maximum speed limit." I think I broke 80 leaving my driveway this morning. My old rear D205 was a 160, this 220 is a 170. Major difference on the VFR. Turning is sluggish, yet stable. The 220s don't have the V angle the 205s mimicked from the 207s. The 207s just drop into corners. These new tires take a little more push, but feel a lot more confidence inspiring. You know what I like? New tires still slick from the mold - and me forced to lock up the front tire 'cause some redneck can't yield. Sliiiiiiiiiide the front. Wheeeeee! I know I'll get used to the cold again, but for now I can whine. My face froze today. Waaah. The God Ra will make up for it this afternoon. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEUNSi006354; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:30:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEUNXA006345; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:30:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924102845.02225ed0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:30:18 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Whats wrong with this article... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBZSHAEH6D.html A motorcyclist death isn't something to take lightly - but there is just so much wrong with this situation.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:38:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEcGSi006490; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:38:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEcFOD006480; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:38:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924143812.58681.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons To: Aki Damme , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924071222.00bc7e60@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't worry, Aki - the universe is still in order. If that's what Vanson calls "discounted," I want some of whatever they're smoking. Even with the "discount," they're still the most overpriced leathers on the face of the planet. Chris Weaver --- Aki Damme wrote: > "Cheap" and "Vansons" shouldn't be in the same > sentence...it upsets the natural > order of the universe. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:43:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEhvSi006671; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:43:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEhuqs006659; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:43:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924103939.00bcbe68@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:43:48 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons In-Reply-To: <20020924143812.58681.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924071222.00bc7e60@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:38 AM 9/24/2002 -0700, Chris Weaver wrote: >Don't worry, Aki - the universe is still in order. If >that's what Vanson calls "discounted," I want some of >whatever they're smoking. Even with the "discount," >they're still the most overpriced leathers on the face >of the planet. > >Chris Weaver thank god I wasn't the only one that totally gagged on the price of those leathers. Yeah they're nice jackets, but $600 marked down to $500?? I can get a First Gear or Hein Gericke for almost half that, not to mention a bunch of lesser known brands for even less. I wonder who actually makes Vansons leathers? Just about every manufacturer contracts someone else to do the actual labor. I wouldn't be surprised if there's "on-name" Vansons under a different name out there for *much* less. Vansons are great jackets but I think one is paying a premium price just to have their patch sewn onto the sleeves. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:44:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEiESi006722; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:44:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEiEp2006718; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:44:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:44:10 -0700 From: To: Tom Gimer Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, Chris Weaver , Aki Damme , DC-Cycles Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 I'n not gonna argue with a lawyer ... especially a pedantic one! On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: he's not right. whether a cop can write you up for per se reckless due to speed depends upon the limit, and it's not set at 20mph over across the board. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:45:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEjHSi006808; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:45:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEjH0C006799; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:45:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924144513.40293.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020924143812.58681.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Do you think the cost of Vansons is simply based on 'premium pricing' or the fact that they are made 100% in the US, while other companies use cheaper, foreign-sourced labor? Regardless, they make a good product. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Don't worry, Aki - the universe is still in order. > If > that's what Vanson calls "discounted," I want some > of > whatever they're smoking. Even with the "discount," > they're still the most overpriced leathers on the > face > of the planet. > > Chris Weaver > > > --- Aki Damme wrote: > > "Cheap" and "Vansons" shouldn't be in the same > > sentence...it upsets the natural > > order of the universe. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:51:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEp1Si006927; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:51:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEp1BP006912; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:51:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924145058.8896.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Chris Weaver , cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: Aki Damme , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020924141638.76869.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and what zone did the original poster refer to??? :) the officer did not cut him a break.... that was my point. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Here's the statute so we know what we're talking > about. Tom's right that it's not +20 "across the > board," but he's being pedantic on this point. The > only speed in which it's NOT 20mph over is in a 35mph > zone. > > speed limit reckless speed > <30 (+20mph) > 30 50 (+20mph) > 35 60 > 40 60 (+20mph) > >40 (+20mph) > ....or +80mph anywhere > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-862 > > Chris Weaver > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Chuck and Karen Pena > > wrote: > > > That's why if you get a ticket in VA and you were > > enough > > > over the speed > > > limit for it to be considered "reckless" (I think > > Chris > > > may be right > > > about the 20mph over threshold) > > > > > > he's not right. whether a cop can write you up for > > per se > > reckless due to speed depends upon the limit, and > > it's not > > set at 20mph over across the board. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEpvSi006960; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:51:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEpvum006956; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:51:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924104900.02d89e10@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:51:50 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons In-Reply-To: <20020924144513.40293.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020924143812.58681.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:45 AM 9/24/2002 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Do you think the cost of Vansons is simply based on >'premium pricing' or the fact that they are made 100% >in the US, while other companies use cheaper, >foreign-sourced labor? > >Regardless, they make a good product. donno, good question. But they do make a good product. I guess they're popular enough that they don't have to significantly discount their discontinued items. Usually discontinued jackets/clothes are discounted as much as 50% just to rid the stockrooms to make room for the new stuff. Maybe as time goes on they'll discount the jackets even more. Wouldn't that be nice but I'm not hold my breath. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEqaSi007019; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:52:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEqaSd007010; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:52:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:52:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924103939.00bcbe68@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > Yeah they're nice jackets, but $600 marked down to $500?? *shrug* The one I'm lusting after (Night Avenger) is sub-$400. Which is expensive, yes. Is it worth it? Dunno. Haven't crashed in mine yet. Hope not to. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEs8Si007125; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:54:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEs8Qh007117; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:54:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924145406.9353.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii pussy --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > I'n not gonna argue with a lawyer ... especially a > pedantic one! > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer > wrote: > > he's not right. whether a cop can write you up for per > se > reckless due to speed depends upon the limit, and it's > not > set at 20mph over across the board. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEskSi007169; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:54:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEskhn007163; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:54:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924105201.02d8d470@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:54:38 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Chris Weaver , cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020924145058.8896.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020924141638.76869.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:50 AM 9/24/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >and what zone did the original poster refer to??? :) > >the officer did not cut him a break.... that was my point. ...I was the OP, I was caught doing 64 in a 35 but he cut me slack by writing the ticket for 59 in a 35 to get under the reckless charge. No, I didn't like getting a ticket, but it sure was a lot better than getting written up for reckless. FWIW, the cop was a nice guy and didn't act like he had a chip on his shoulder. However, he looked pretty young and new on the force so maybe he felt "obligated" to write the ticket but none the less, he did cut me a break but not as much as I would of liked. :-( -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:55:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEtOSi007222; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:55:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEtOfv007211; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:55:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924145521.63551.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020924144513.40293.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That first one. But hey, if you want to go out and spend twice as much as any sane consumer in order to help pull our country out of recession, I'm behind you! ...snickering and pointing. Chris --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Do you think the cost of Vansons is simply based on > 'premium pricing' or the fact that they are made > 100% > in the US, while other companies use cheaper, > foreign-sourced labor? > > Regardless, they make a good product. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 10:55:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OEtZSi007264; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:55:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OEtYZx007254; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:55:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924105506.02d8a3c0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:55:26 -0400 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924103939.00bcbe68@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:52 AM 9/24/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > > > Yeah they're nice jackets, but $600 marked down to $500?? > >*shrug* The one I'm lusting after (Night Avenger) is sub-$400. > >Which is expensive, yes. Is it worth it? Dunno. Haven't crashed in mine >yet. Hope not to. > >Fish. god no...and scruff up an expensive jacket like that? ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:08:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OF8eSi007504; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:08:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OF8egc007495; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:08:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:08:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons From: Rob Curtis To: DC-Cycles Mailing , Chris Weaver , Aki Damme Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924103939.00bcbe68@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've seen their operation up in Boston. They don't source anything out. You walk in, tell them what you want. A person measures you and in a few weeks you have custom fit leather. I have one of their signature Boston Police Jackets and that thing is made from leather so thick that you might think it is bulletproof. You'd be surprised to find out just how much it costs to run a factory in the US. Workers Comp, insurance, health insurance, leasing a buildings and offices in Ma., salaries for people that have families, the list goes on.. Then figure just how small the market is for Leather riding gear, then split that number again to reflect the few folks who want premium quality gear and you will get an idea why it is a big deal to knock $100 off a product's price. If anyone wants to see what the factory that produces Italian leathers (in the FRY) and compare them to Vanson's factory, let me know. I have seen Yugoslavian factories, too, and seen where their workforce lives and eats. It ain't pretty. If I were racing and wanted a suit that would hold up to repeated abuse without failed stitching or torn leather, If I could afford it it I would pay the premium rather than have a suit that would only be good for a few get-offs. If I was using it for a track day suit a few times a year, though, I doubt I could justify the expense. Rob C on 9/24/02 10:43, Aki Damme at adamme1@XXXXXX noted: > At 07:38 AM 9/24/2002 -0700, Chris Weaver wrote: >> Don't worry, Aki - the universe is still in order. If >> that's what Vanson calls "discounted," I want some of >> whatever they're smoking. Even with the "discount," >> they're still the most overpriced leathers on the face >> of the planet. >> >> Chris Weaver > > thank god I wasn't the only one that totally gagged on the price > of those leathers. Yeah they're nice jackets, but $600 marked down > to $500?? > I can get a First Gear or Hein Gericke for almost half that, not to mention > a bunch of lesser known brands for even less. > > I wonder who actually makes Vansons leathers? Just about every manufacturer > contracts someone else to do the actual labor. I wouldn't be surprised > if there's "on-name" Vansons under a different name out there for *much* less. > > Vansons are great jackets but I think one is paying a premium price just > to have their patch sewn onto the sleeves. > > -aki > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFG5Si007677; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:16:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFG4ZF007667; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:16:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924111038.02d90eb8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:15:56 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Mailing From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924103939.00bcbe68@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:08 AM 9/24/2002 -0400, Rob Curtis wrote: >I've seen their operation up in Boston. They don't source anything out. You >walk in, tell them what you want. A person measures you and in a few weeks >you have custom fit leather. I have one of their signature Boston Police >Jackets and that thing is made from leather so thick that you might think it >is bulletproof. >You'd be surprised to find out just how much it costs to run a factory in >the US. Workers Comp, insurance, health insurance, leasing a buildings and >offices in Ma., salaries for people that have families, the list goes on.. >Then figure just how small the market is for Leather riding gear, then split >that number again to reflect the few folks who want premium quality gear and >you will get an idea why it is a big deal to knock $100 off a product's >price. >If anyone wants to see what the factory that produces Italian leathers (in >the FRY) and compare them to Vanson's factory, let me know. I have seen >Yugoslavian factories, too, and seen where their workforce lives and eats. >It ain't pretty. > >If I were racing and wanted a suit that would hold up to repeated abuse >without failed stitching or torn leather, If I could afford it it I would >pay the premium rather than have a suit that would only be good for a few >get-offs. If I was using it for a track day suit a few times a year, though, >I doubt I could justify the expense. > >Rob C you make a strong point Rob, and I stand corrected on where they make the leathers. I guess you get what you pay for. On a get off, it's always better to have said you wasted a $500 jacket than an arm! I do know how much it costs to run a company, having owned one myself. And certainly it wasn't the size that Vanson has, (I had 150 employees), but it was amazing just how much of the profits got eaten up by overhead. One area I didn't skimp on was benefits. Medical and dental alone cost me over a grand a month per employee and that's not counting in Social Security, office space, equipment and travel related costs. It added up quick, somewhere to the tune of over $200k a month. THEN add in employee salaries and my profit margin was less than 30%. It ain't cheap running a business. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:21:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFL4Si007800; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:21:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFL46U007791; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:21:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:21:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Toolkit Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While we're on the topic of overly-expensive moto stuff... I'm in the process of making up a wedding registry. Many moto items are going on it. (I expect to receive none of them, but it will at any rate be a shopping list for me, for later.) I would like to carry around some basic tools when I ride. What do y'all carry with you when you hit the road? I haven't the faintest idea where to begin. So many pretty gadgets, though... Widget frenzy is calling me... Fish. shiny! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:22:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFM1Si007844; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:22:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFM0T7007835; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:22:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a901c263de$0ad02d60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020924141638.76869.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:20:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Virginia's reckless statute sounds like the "traffic court attorneys full employment act" to me. Given the highly discretionary nature of the charge, retaining counsel greatly improves one's chances of getting it reduced to a less charge and avoiding a major blot on your driving record. Criminy at 80 mph (a mere 15 over) 75% of the drivers on 95 south are operating in a reckless manner in the eyes of the law. BTW, I changed the subject line. We've veered a long way from DC tickets. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > Here's the statute so we know what we're talking > about. Tom's right that it's not +20 "across the > board," but he's being pedantic on this point. The > only speed in which it's NOT 20mph over is in a 35mph > zone. > > speed limit reckless speed > <30 (+20mph) > 30 50 (+20mph) > 35 60 > 40 60 (+20mph) > >40 (+20mph) > ....or +80mph anywhere > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-862 > > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFPISi007928; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:25:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFPIcv007919; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:25:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:25:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons From: Rob Curtis To: Aki Damme , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924104900.02d89e10@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit True, but if you look at most of the deeply discounted stuff, it's all the ugly crap with cool-at-the-time graphics and colors. You notice that most if Vanson's off the rack stuff is very similar with only minor styling changes from year to year. This is smart because dealers aren't going to have to clean out the stock from year to year... Rob > > Usually discontinued jackets/clothes are discounted > as much as 50% just to rid the stockrooms to make > room for the new stuff. Maybe as time goes on they'll > discount the jackets even more. Wouldn't that be nice but > I'm not hold my breath. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFS1Si007996; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:28:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFS10S007988; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:28:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924112510.02450df8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:27:58 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Toolkit In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:21 AM 9/24/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >While we're on the topic of overly-expensive moto stuff... > >I'm in the process of making up a wedding registry. Many moto items are >going on it. (I expect to receive none of them, but it will at any rate be >a shopping list for me, for later.) > >I would like to carry around some basic tools when I ride. What do y'all >carry with you when you hit the road? I haven't the faintest idea where to >begin. > >So many pretty gadgets, though... Widget frenzy is calling me... I put tools on my wedding registry. I actually got a handful of them. For some reason a blender is an accepted gift item, but a compound mitre saw is not. What a weird world. I carry around a screwdriver, pliers, tire patch and a cell phone. Most stuff I couldn't fix on the side of the road even if I had my shop in tow. Headed back downtown to M & 17 NW in a few minutes. Mmmmmm. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:29:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFTDSi008058; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:29:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFTD9X008048; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:29:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924111657.02d90b28@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:29:05 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Whats wrong with this article... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924102845.02225ed0@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:30 AM 9/24/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: >http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBZSHAEH6D.html > >A motorcyclist death isn't something to take lightly - but there is just >so much wrong with this situation.... > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > very sad. I don't know if it's related but a coworker of my wife mentioned the other day that her son lost a good friend on a new sport bike a week or so ago. Apparently, the short story version is that he was racing up and down a residential street, didn't have his helmet secured and the helmet raised up and the chin guard went up and over his eyes. In the process of trying to pull the helmet down, he lost control of the bike and hit a curb and broke his neck on impact. I would have to imagine that you'd have to be going pretty fast to raise the helmet up like that. I've seen a lot of kids in the area that seem to think it's "cool" to ride with their helmets on without securing them. I have no idea what they're thinking. I'm making a mental note of telling the kid down the street not to do that. He rides and waves at me at lot since he knows I ride as well and I've spoken to him several times. Ironically, this is his second bike in less than a year. The first one was totaled when he was weaving in out of traffic on the Fairfax County Parkway and a car cut into his lane and he lost it and flipped the bike into the median. Fortunately he wasn't seriously hurt but his bike was trashed. He's promised me that he would sign up for an MSF class but as far as I know, he hasn't done that yet. It's a sticky area how much you can tell someone without it sounding like preaching. I just worry about him because he's at that age where kids think they're invincible. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFYUSi008168; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:34:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFYUvg008160; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:34:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924113005.02d9d6d8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:34:22 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Toolkit In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:21 AM 9/24/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >While we're on the topic of overly-expensive moto stuff... > >I'm in the process of making up a wedding registry. Many moto items are >going on it. (I expect to receive none of them, but it will at any rate be >a shopping list for me, for later.) > >I would like to carry around some basic tools when I ride. What do y'all >carry with you when you hit the road? I haven't the faintest idea where to >begin. > >So many pretty gadgets, though... Widget frenzy is calling me... > >Fish. >shiny! Personally, I don't think I've ever seen a really *good* quality OEM tool kit. At least the OEM tool kits I've had on my Japanese bikes were *functional* but that's about it. Since Harley, ironically, doesn't bother giving you one (at least for the non touring models), their quality is better since you have to buy theirs. Having said that, it's *much* better to buy good quality tools separately. Craftsman comes to mind and for those with more $$, Matco, Proto or any of the other high end tools are good. I'm sure there's others on the list that can specifically list what type of tools to get, but my recommendation is to not buy a ready made set, they're cheap and could fail on you just when you need them the most. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:35:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFZGSi008214; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:35:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFZFte008208; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:35:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924153513.47864.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Whats wrong with this article... To: Aki Damme , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924111657.02d90b28@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very sad that people race up and down residential streets. Perhaps too many people have this, "It won't happen to me attitude." So sad when it is them. While on my way to work this morning, I heard of a motorcycle accident somewhere in Montgomery county on the radio traffice report. I hope it wasn't anything serious and the rider was able to walk away from it with little or no injuries. Nick --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 10:30 AM 9/24/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: > >http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBZSHAEH6D.html > > > >A motorcyclist death isn't something to take > lightly - but there is just > >so much wrong with this situation.... > > > > > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > > very sad. I don't know if it's related but a > coworker of my wife mentioned > the other day that > her son lost a good friend on a new sport bike a > week or so ago. > > Apparently, the short story version is that he was > racing up and down a > residential street, didn't > have his helmet secured and the helmet raised up and > the chin guard went up > and over his > eyes. In the process of trying to pull the helmet > down, he lost control of > the bike and hit a curb > and broke his neck on impact. I would have to > imagine that you'd have to > be going pretty fast > to raise the helmet up like that. > > I've seen a lot of kids in the area that seem to > think it's "cool" to ride > with their helmets on without > securing them. I have no idea what they're > thinking. I'm making a mental > note of telling the kid > down the street not to do that. He rides and waves > at me at lot since he > knows I ride as well > and I've spoken to him several times. Ironically, > this is his second bike > in less than a year. The > first one was totaled when he was weaving in out of > traffic on the Fairfax > County Parkway and > a car cut into his lane and he lost it and flipped > the bike into the > median. Fortunately he wasn't > seriously hurt but his bike was trashed. He's > promised me that he would > sign up for an MSF > class but as far as I know, he hasn't done that yet. > It's a sticky area > how much you can > tell someone without it sounding like preaching. I > just worry about him > because he's at that > age where kids think they're invincible. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:39:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFdYSi008322; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:39:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFdXOg008311; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:39:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924113846.02da3020@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:39:25 -0400 To: Nicholas Thompson , DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Whats wrong with this article... In-Reply-To: <20020924153513.47864.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924111657.02d90b28@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:35 AM 9/24/2002 -0700, Nicholas Thompson wrote: >Very sad that people race up and down residential >streets. Perhaps too many people have this, "It won't >happen to me attitude." So sad when it is them. > > >While on my way to work this morning, I heard of a >motorcycle accident somewhere in Montgomery county on >the radio traffice report. I hope it wasn't anything >serious and the rider was able to walk away from it >with little or no injuries. > > >Nick if it was the same, I heard on the news that there was a motorcyclist down on 15 south...just caught the end of it though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:51:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFpQSi008620; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:51:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFpQXc008612; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:51:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:56:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Toolkit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I would like to carry around some basic tools when I ride. What do y'all > carry with you when you hit the road? I haven't the faintest idea where to > begin. > I carry a screw driver, vise grips (or Robo-grips), zip ties, duct tape, tire plugs & pump and really need to add a mag light to the kit too. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 11:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OFphSi008660; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:51:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OFpgpt008655; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:51:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00d001c263e2$30e70380$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Toolkit Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:50:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > While we're on the topic of overly-expensive moto stuff... > > I'm in the process of making up a wedding registry. Many moto items are > going on it. (I expect to receive none of them, but it will at any rate be > a shopping list for me, for later.) > > I would like to carry around some basic tools when I ride. What do y'all > carry with you when you hit the road? I haven't the faintest idea where to > begin. > > So many pretty gadgets, though... Widget frenzy is calling me... > > Fish. > shiny! > Here's what I carry. "Bicycle" combination tool (Phillips and flat blade screwdriver, and 4-5-6 mm hexes) Put it in the tank bag so you can perform minor work like removing the middle fairings with unloading the pillion area of the seat. Leatherman tool with pliers and wire cutters, etc. Swiss Army camping knife 8-10-12-14 mm combination wrenches Tire plug kit (the BMW kits are good) 12v air compressor (about $10 at Wally-World. Remove the case if you're short on space. You'll need to install a cig. lighter accessory outlet somewhere, or get one with clamp style pigtails to clip it to the battery) zip ties small roll duct tape high quality air gauge (not the cheapo pencil type) I have the Accu-gauge with the built-in bleeder valve First Aid kit Rubber gloves Shop rags (one clean for the faceshield, another one for oil checking) Spare fuses and headlamp **Givi top case or large tank bag to carry all this crap :) that's in addition to the factory tool kit obviously Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 12:04:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OG45Si009033; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:04:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OG44wW009023; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:04:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:04:04 -0400 From: "Docs@Shore" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: "Docs@Shore" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13472904375.20020924120404@shore.net> To: DC-Cycles Mailing Subject: Re[2]: Cheap Vansons In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Rob, Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 11:08:37 AM, you wrote: RC> I've seen their operation up in Boston. They don't source anything out. You RC> walk in, tell them what you want. A person measures you and in a few weeks RC> you have custom fit leather. I have one of their signature Boston Police RC> Jackets and that thing is made from leather so thick that you might think it RC> is bulletproof. I've been up there as well, for one of their open house events. I would guess that there are perhaps 50 employees in the plant. Bought a Swedish jacket while I was there, and there is NO comparison between the weight of the leather, the quality of the leather, and the protection that jacket offers, against any other piece of leather I own (including Art's Cow Parts). Quality costs, folks - and very high quality costs a lot more than "inexpensive" stuff. But it's worth it. ;-) Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- State Officer for Virginia Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 12:26:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OGQBSi009371; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:26:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OGQAes009357; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:26:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Whats wrong with this article... Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:26:03 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Whats wrong with this article... Thread-Index: AcJj3z03whvcZ9YhSd+SkVhCjWvyeAABPmxQ From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DC-Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8OGQ9Si009345 Aki Damme wrote: >I've seen a lot of kids in the area that seem to think it's "cool" to ride >with their helmets on without >securing them. I have no idea what they're thinking. I'm making a mental >note of telling the kid >down the street not to do that. This is, hopefully, due to inattention more than anything else. I must say that even though I don't rush when I get on my bike - and try to check everything twice - the helmet strap seems to elude me. On several occasions now, I only realized that I didn't strap it down after I gathered speed and the strap started banging against my helmet. That is also when I realized that those traffic lights may feel like they're red forever, but when push comes to shove, I'll be damned if I can take off my gloves, strap down the helmet, and put the gloves back on before the light turns green. Witold http://witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 12:29:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OGSxSi009426; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:28:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OGSxSo009419; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:28:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:28:52 EDT Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/23/2002 10:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lisagoddard@XXXXXX writes: > "my helmet is not where > I left it no more than 10 minutes ago" That sucks. You can hope it was a good Samaritan who thought it had fallen off of someones bike and is trying to get it back to its owner. And I can fly. I was officiating at an eduro once, way the hell back in the woods watching for riders taking a "short cut" (cheating.) I set my helmet down next to my bike and walked over to where I could watch the riders. There was no way anyone could have gone to my bikes location without my seeing them (except,) When the race was over I walked back over to where my bike was and NO LID! Like you I looked all over for it assuming it had rolled off, never found it. Here is the "good" part. Like I said there was no trail or path that anyone could have used to get to my bike/helmet, the only riders I saw all day were competitors and they were racing, no one stopped. How did it disappear? My bike was parked next to a very small river, someone must have come up in a _canoe_ seen my helmet and stolen it, as bizarre as that sounds it is the only way it could have happened. I would have heard an outboard motor and the river was too small for anything larger then a john boat or canoe and it was too far from anyplace for someone to want to row a john boat. (FL rivers flow _very_ slowly.) Who the hell would want to steal a helmet for a canoe? In an even more bizarre twist I got a call _several years_ later from the local shop (where everyone knew me) asking did you not have a helmet stolen a while back? Someone had come in trying to sell an old one. The guy in the shop had recognized it as my helmet because while they had pulled the numbers I had stuck to the sides (I used it for racing) you could still see them outlined in glue and he knew it was my number. So I got it back. Weird. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 12:38:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OGclSi009604; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:38:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OGclCf009594; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:38:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <89.1e609ac6.2ac1ef0f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:38:39 EDT Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/24/2002 7:07:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > The helmet thief should be flogged with old, greasy chains, > and then hosed with carb cleaner. I agree, but use the old carb cleaner, the EPA has weenied the new stuff down. For second offenders use a greasy chain saw chain. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:07:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OH7YSi010341; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:07:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OH7VG0010320; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:07:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D66@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'jdonovan@XXXXXX'" , "'mgvlahos@XXXXXX'" Subject: electric vests/jackets Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:07:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" jd just declared, "I'm planning on continuing to use the bike to commute on even once the temps begin to dip, so I think some level of electrics are going to be mandatory." Depends on your shield, length of commute, gear, etc. but, I made it through a couple of decades without electrics. Just a jacket or later Polartec neath the outer wear (now a 'Stich). Cold hands were a problem until I got the grip heaters ('97) and the Gerbing gloves ('00). I was ready to visit Vlahos last Fall (see Tanner's testimonial below) but travel, a mild winter, and finally Spring killed that. Following is more than you might want to know -- or -- just enuff. Subject: Gerbing Gear From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC_CYCLES (E_mail)" Subject: Gerbing Gear Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:35:58 _0500 I went to see Mike Vlahos to get some new Gerbing gear. He's a good guy and is willing to cut some deals on stuff _ especially some older stuff. He has a reasonable selection at his home in Mt Airy and will order whatever you need that he doesn't have. If you're thinking about staying warm this winter, give this man a call and he'll do right by you. Mike Vlahos 5310 Pommel Dr MOUNT AIRY, MD 21771 301_829_0452 or mgvlahos@XXXXXX. As always, I have no financial interest in this, blah, blah, blah. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ----------- Following is snippage of SabMag discussion from last Fall: 3. Gerbing or Widder? (5) ______________________________ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:29:19 +0000 Subject: Gerbing or Widder? It appears from the internet pictures that the Widder is less bulky while the Gerbing appears to be more of a jacket. Can anyone on the list who may have had both provide any info on performance? ______________________________ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 19:07:51 _0500 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? Greg, Although I haven't had both, I do own a Gerbing jacket liner and gloves. Both products are top notch. The thing that put it over the top for me was the lifetime guarantee on electrics from Gerbing. No complaints. Bill in Yardley, PA ______________________________ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:31:41 _0500 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? >From a recent posting to the IBdone list on this same topic: At 01:09 PM 12/2/01 _0600, you wrote: >I know Widder, who is the "other" manufacturer of electric motorcycle clothing? Answered publicly because I thought others would like to hear my observations. I own three marques of heated clothes: Widder, Gerbing, and gr8designs (Doug Grosjean's firm). Widder Products I own and use: gloves, non_collared vest, and electronic controller. I have the old style vest, i.e. the one without the goofy arm chap snap_ins. The vest is my primary fair weather touring garment. It packs extremely small and works as advertized. Consider me a Widder vest zealot because of its function. The gloves are for early, late, and winter season touring. I love the gloves although I'm not impressed with their get_off protection. Don't ask me how I know that! I also love the compact size of Widder's electronic controller. Two thumbs up for that little unit. As for Widder's customer service... Color me very impressed. I've had a pair of gloves go bad and a controller fry. Pat took care of my problems promptly and without *any* hassle. The older I get, the more I'm willing to pay premium prices for excellent customer service. If you tour in the winter, this alone should be high on your list of reasons to patronize one manufacturer over the others. Although I haven't had a chance to try Widder's new arm chap system, I haven't heard a lot of favorable comments about it from seasoned cold weather tourers. Every time I've talked to someone that has tried the Widder arm chaps and has used a Gerbing full length jacket, the Gerbing wins the comparison. Gerbing products I own and use: full length jacket. I love this thing when it starts getting chilly! On the Honda ST1100, my shoulders and upper arms are out in the breeze. The Gerbing keeps my arms toasty warm. When I tour two up, my Gerbing goes to keeping the passenger warm and I fall back to using the Widder vest. My passenger loves the Gerbing. So much, in fact, that on thirty degree nights she usually sleeps on the bike all the way home! Gr8designs products I own and use: high output vest. For those not in the know of Doug's design, he uses a fabric rather than a wire to generate the heat. The fabric is the same stuff used in high end automobiles for heated seats. If the fabric can take that kind of use, it should work great in a vest! If you ever get a chance to try one of Mr. Grosjean's vests, I urge you to do so. They are the smoothest headed garment I've ever tried. There are no hot spots because of the use of the fabric. The warmth is what I would call gentle when compared to a "wire" based garment. And the thing practically pumps heat! I use the Gr8designs vest when I plan on keeping the vest on the whole time I'm riding. Doug's vest is quite a bit bulkier than the Widder or the Gerbing and this makes packing it difficult when I'm two up and carrying a full load of camping gear and provisions. As for wiring, all my stuff is wired for Widder's dual banana plug system. Why the banana plugs? I just feel those are more field serviceable than other connectors. I also have a set of Kimpex grip heaters that I've rigged up as boot warmers. They work real well. As long as it's dry, I can ride all day when the temperatures are in the teens and single digits. ______________________________ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:37:41 _0500 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? I've been watching this thread to see what people had to say, and nobody's mentioned the 2 points that I'm aware of. I've never used Widder products, so I hesitate to talk about differences, BUT .... (1) The Gerbing vest has almost twice the heat output of the Widder (according to specs) and (2) Gerbing makes a COMPLETE setup _ socks, pants liner, jacket liner and gloves, some of which aren't available from Widder. Wearng the full setup makes a tremendous difference in the perceived evenness of the heat. With just a vest, you feel the heat because you try to keep the core temp high enough to pump warm blood to the periphery. With the whole body being warmed, I find that I can keep the heat at a much lower setting and not even be aware of the heating; I just feel comfortably warm all over. ______________________________________________________________________ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:30:19 _0500 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? Marc, So true, even with only the jacket liner and gloves, which is my current setup. My legs don't get cold easily, so I opted out of the pant liners. At any rate, I was out one day at ~35:F and I was toasty warm on a very low setting on the Gerbing rheostat. I have battery powered electric (hunting) socks, but I haven't gotten them out yet this year. You have to approach winter mc riding like you would snowmobiling. Except for the obvious absence of snow, the speeds, wind chills, and dynamics of hypothermia are pretty similar. ______________________________ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:43:07 _0800 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? _____Original Message_____ > As for wiring, all my stuff is wired for Widder's dual banana plug system. >Why the banana plugs? I just feel those are more field serviceable than other connectors. R and I have gone back and forth on this before. Yes, the Widder plugs are *much* more field_servicable. However, they also need more frequent field_servicing (usually wire fatigue at the plug). Would I switch back to the trailer plug because of this? Nope, because when the trailer plug fails, it's a hell of a lot harder to diagnose in my experience. You can be poking around with an ohm meter for a long time before you figure out where the failure is, in comparison to a Widder plug failure. Mike Stewart ______________________________ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:51:42 _0800 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? _____Original Message_____ >I have heard numerous LM's absolutely thrilled with the service they see from Widder. >Just ask DR, or IBM. I'm sure that they'll tell you. I'm just thrilled that I've never paid for any of the Widder heated clothing that I own. :_) (A little bartering for some web work got me gloves, and I did a comparison for the vest.) That being said, the stuff has held up under much abuse, it works as advertised, and as Russell points out, the controller is the dog's bollocks. When you get down to it, I think customer service is the deciding factor. Let's face it, all of this stuff will keep you warm. Sure, there are little nuances here and there, but none of the differences override how the company handles you when the stuff goes tits up, IMO. I know Pat Widder goes out of his way to make sure you're thrilled with his products. Do the other guys suck? Don't know, I haven't dealt with them much. I know that if you go to the Gerbing warehouse in Union, WA, that the staff will be quite helpful in making sure you get the right fit (went with friends who were buying; nice ride out there). OTOH, the one incident I know of where a Gerbing product failed was handled in a less than stellar fashion. ______________________________ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:55:51 _0800 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? _____Original Message_____ > (2) Gerbing makes a COMPLETE setup _ socks, pants >liner, jacket liner and gloves, some of which aren't available from Widder. This is an oft touted detail in favor of Gerbing products. In my experience (and I got plenty of it riding between Charlotte and Indy during the winter, and during March trips to Daytona), it's a non_issue for most. With gloves, a vest and (occasionally, if it's cold enough) socks, I stay plenty toasty for all_day rides. I gave serious thought to some heated chaps, but frankly, I've never felt the need. ______________________________ _____________________________ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:01:21 _0500 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? > R and I have gone back and forth on this before. Yes, the Widder > plugs are *much* more field_servicable. However, they also need more > frequent field_servicing (usually wire fatigue at the plug). Would I > switch back to the trailer plug because of this? Nope, because when the > trailer plug fails, it's a hell of a lot harder to diagnose in my > experience. You can be poking around with an ohm meter for a long time > before you figure out where the failure is, in comparison to a Widder plug failure. I have the Widder connectors on (naturally) the Widder gloves. While I keep waiting for one to break, in 3 years and continuous winter riding, one never has. I used to use the trailer plug connector where I connected to the bike, but then I just wired a waterproof jack into my fairing and never looked back. Personally, my biggest complain about the Widders is the sharp edges. If they're anywhere against your skin (or paint), they're far more likely to do damage or be irritating. But I certainly agree that they're the most field_repairable option around. ______________________________ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:07:06 _0500 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? > When you get down to it, I think customer service is the deciding factor. Let's face it, all of this stuff will keep you warm. Sure, there are little nuances here and there, but none of the differences > override how the company handles you when the stuff goes tits up, IMO. Exactly. There's plenty of companies out there that'll actually ARGUE with their customers when their products function less than satisfactorily. Dumbasses. I"m ALREADY pissed at you, why not argue..that'll make it much better. ______________________________ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:38:24 _0500 Subject: Re: Gerbing or Widder? A couples times I forgot to unplug my Widder Gloves and the connector would just un_plug when I hopped off. One morning (cold and dark) I went to plug in and discovered both ends on the glove end. Took about a minute to fix it. >Personally, my biggest complain about the Widders is the sharp >edges. If they're anywhere against your skin (or paint), they're far >more likely to do damage or be irritating. But I certainly agree that >they're the most field_repairable option around. Duct Tape. The only other complaint I have other than the sharp edges is, why are they not waterproof? Pete Leahy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OH89Si010370; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:08:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OH89OX010364; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:08:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a3.9302623.2ac1f5f1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:08:01 EDT Subject: Re: Toolkit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/24/2002 11:34:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > Personally, I don't think I've ever seen a really *good* quality OEM tool > kit. Three words B M W More words. They have damn good toolkits including a tire repair kit. The worst? 70s era Triumph I gave the tool kit to a friends kid to play with and bought a bunch from (curse spit*) Sears. Had to cut them down to fit in the box. In the end the question is "What is most likely to cause trouble for you out on the road?" On my old Triumph I carried a multi meter, no need on my Honda. *(I have had more trouble with Sears since then.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHB9Si010667; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:11:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHB9mB010659; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:11:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.2dc7e5a7.2ac1f6a5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:11:01 EDT Subject: Re: Toolkit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 There is also "What can you do?" and "How far are you going?" If you have little mechanical ability there is no point to carrying many tools. I carry a lot more tools when I am out on the road then around town. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHFNSi011000; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:15:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHFNW0010993; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:15:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924131128.00b27900@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:15:15 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Toolkit In-Reply-To: <1a3.9302623.2ac1f5f1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:08 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 9/24/2002 11:34:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > > > Personally, I don't think I've ever seen a really *good* quality OEM tool > > kit. > >Three words > >B >M >W I've heard that they do, but have also heard they're pricey. I still think buying good tools separately is not only cheaper but if you buy them from SnapOn or Craftsman, they have a lifetime replacement warranty. However, I agree that Craftsman tools have definitely gone downhill in the last 10 years or so. Personally, all I really carry is my Leatherman. And on longer trips a tire repair kit and of course my cell phone at all times. When I buckle down and decide to go with a full kit, I'll take a look a the BMW kits. I had a really nice set I put together for my old V65, (the OEM kit was a joke, I used the pliers once and the handles bent together), but I let it go with the bike when I sold it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHI8Si011067; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:18:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHI8VE011062; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:18:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924131412.0228cde0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:18:05 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: RE: Whats wrong with this article... In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:26 PM 9/24/2002, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >This is, hopefully, due to inattention more than anything else. I must >say that even though I don't rush when I get on my bike - and try to check >everything twice - the helmet strap seems to elude me. I guess I'll admit to my shortcut. I leave my helmet strapped a tiny bit loose - and never unstrap it. I can maneuver my chin and head, pull the strap to my lip and slide the helmet on and off without unbuckling. There is practically zero chance of the helmet coming off of my head due to this setup. I think I have a unique jaw or something - I showed a couple guys I ride with and they can't keep it strapped and take it off while keeping it tight. Anyway - this makes buckling the helmet a no-brainer ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:22:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHMoSi011287; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:22:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHMoHd011276; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:22:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01a201c263ee$ec405300$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "'DCCycles'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D66@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Subject: Re: electric vests/jackets Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:22:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yup, Mike Vlahos is your man when it comes to purchasing Gerbing stuff. I paid him a visit two days after Thanksgiving in 2000 and I've been a happy camper/winter biker even since. I picked up socks at the NYC Moto show last year, but due to the mild winter I have only worn them a couple of times. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Custer, Carl" .. I was ready to visit > Vlahos last Fall (see Tanner's testimonial below) but travel, a mild winter, > and finally Spring killed that. > Following is more than you might want to know -- or -- just enuff. > > Subject: Gerbing Gear > I went to see Mike Vlahos to get some new Gerbing gear. He's a good guy and > is willing to cut some deals on stuff _ especially some older stuff. He has > a reasonable selection at his home in Mt Airy and will order whatever you > need that he doesn't have. > > If you're thinking about staying warm this winter, give this man a call and > he'll do right by you. > Mike Vlahos > 5310 Pommel Dr > MOUNT AIRY, MD 21771 > 301_829_0452 or mgvlahos@XXXXXX. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHPSSi011460; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:25:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHPSUv011451; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:25:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:25:19 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Whats wrong with this article... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924131412.0228cde0@mail.troutman.org> References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:18 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 12:26 PM 9/24/2002, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >>This is, hopefully, due to inattention more than anything else. I must >>say that even though I don't rush when I get on my bike - and try to >>check everything twice - the helmet strap seems to elude me. > >I guess I'll admit to my shortcut. > >I leave my helmet strapped a tiny bit loose - and never unstrap it. I can >maneuver my chin and head, pull the strap to my lip and slide the helmet >on and off without unbuckling. There is practically zero chance of the >helmet coming off of my head due to this setup. I think I have a unique >jaw or something - I showed a couple guys I ride with and they can't keep >it strapped and take it off while keeping it tight. > >Anyway - this makes buckling the helmet a no-brainer ;-) I don't use my D rings. Instead I have a buckle I put on. Not one of the cheap plastic ones they sell now but one I bought years ago when they were all metal. Pretty much transfer from one helmet to another when the helmet wears out. I have to be honest and say I can't picture how the helmet would stay on your head if you can put it on without loosening the straps. The force that's exerted on a helmet on a get off can be pretty severe. Football helmets fly off during a game and for anyone who's worn one, I can tell you that those helmets feel like they're practically painted onto your head. I would think that if you can take it off without loosening the straps, mother nature can do the same thing only not nearly as gently. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:32:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHWRSi011595; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:32:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHWRPC011588; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:32:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133127.02280880@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:31:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Toolkit In-Reply-To: <1a3.9302623.2ac1f5f1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:08 PM 9/24/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >On my old Triumph I carried a multi meter, no need on my Honda. Not enough miles on the Honda then ;-/ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:32:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHWWSi011629; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:32:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHWWaa011623; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:32:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Cheap Vansons Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:33:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2002 17:31:18.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[30BA93F0:01C263F0] I used to think the price for vansons was really over the top, but after riding with guys with full suit vansons, i changed my mind. Those are really high quality suits!! 1600$ for a vanson suit is decent. Kushitani and dainese make him about that price too. A couple of the guys i ride with have vansons, and some have crashed.. Just a bit of rash, the things hold up really well. But then again, i fell at summit point with my joe rocket and hjc pants, they held up fine. I ride with them all the time. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHa4Si011716; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:36:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHa4vo011710; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:36:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cheap Vansons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Rob Curtis wrote: > True, but if you look at most of the deeply discounted stuff, it's all the > ugly crap with cool-at-the-time graphics and colors. > You notice that most if Vanson's off the rack stuff is very similar with > only minor styling changes from year to year. This is smart because dealers > aren't going to have to clean out the stock from year to year... > Rob FWIW, Vanson /does/ have rack cleaning sales periodically, though, you have to go to the factory for the best finds. Usually they call it an "open house" and I've heard on NEDOD [1] that you can get some good deals on stuff there. I haven't been, so can't verify. Vanson isn't cheap, but then, as far as I'm concerned, neither is my hide. YMMV. Dan. [1] if I told you what it means, I'd have to kill you ;-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHdiSi011860; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:39:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHdiL3011851; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:39:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133311.02476f80@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:38:03 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: helmet strapping.... In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924131412.0228cde0@mail.troutman.org> <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:25 PM 9/24/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >I have to be honest and say I can't picture how the helmet would stay on >your head if you can put it on without loosening >the straps. The force that's exerted on a helmet on a get off can be >pretty severe. Football helmets fly off during a game >and for anyone who's worn one, I can tell you that those helmets feel like >they're practically painted onto your head. I would >think that if you can take it off without loosening the straps, mother >nature can do the same thing only not nearly as gently. 8-P If the straps were any tighter, I'd be choking. Yet I can still get my chin up and under the strap. Just one of those things. Believe me - I'm not the least bit worried it will come off in a crash. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 13:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OHdvSi011912; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:39:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OHdv6M011907; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:39:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D67@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: National Scenic Byways Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:39:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8OHdtSi011891 Great munchtime surfing Fish http://www.byways.org/ "Sadly, I wasted -- _wasted_ -- the weekends SWMBO was out of town, when I could have been off exploring neat new roads. And now my weekends are booked through November, when long road trips are probably not going to be as much fun. Sad." >From Bowie take I-70 to Hancock. That's maybe 2 hours? Then you're on the brink of some mighty scenic stuff. Thurmont is even closer. You've been to PennMar overlook? Have SWMBO cage it with the tent and camping accoutrements. Some State and private campgrounds still open in December. Unless we have an unusually cold winter, there'll be many temperate weekends. It's fun to hug yer honey in a double sleeping bag. Pe)Bña proposed, "Of course, you could just use the front brake. %^) P.S. Been there, done that with the rear brake. Once. Learned my lesson." Humph, anecdotal evidence. Certainly not a statistically significant survey. :^) On our spooge strewn streets use both brakes. Last week my front wheel slid on some asphalt-colored sand at a stop sign. Fortunately, the rear wheel was still on clean pavement. There've been other times too. Unless you're Danny, that second wheel is handy for braking. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 14:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OIIhSi012475; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:18:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OIIgmX012466; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:18:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924141804.020d3200@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:18:35 -0400 To: "dccycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Cheap Vansons In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:33 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, Ricardo Pontes wrote: >I used to think the price for vansons was really over the top, but after >riding with guys with full suit vansons, i changed my mind. Those are really >high quality suits!! 1600$ for a vanson suit is decent. Kushitani and >dainese make him about that price too. > >A couple of the guys i ride with have vansons, and some have crashed.. Just >a bit of rash, the things hold up really well. > >But then again, i fell at summit point with my joe rocket and hjc pants, >they held up fine. I ride with them all the time. > >Ricardo ..all this talk about thick jackets makes me think my t-shirt and elbow pads need an upgrade. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 14:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OIJuSi012525; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:19:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OIJuo6012521; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:19:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924141916.020db518@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:19:48 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: helmet strapping.... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133311.02476f80@mail.troutman.org> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924131412.0228cde0@XXXXXX> <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:38 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 01:25 PM 9/24/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >>I have to be honest and say I can't picture how the helmet would stay on >>your head if you can put it on without loosening >>the straps. The force that's exerted on a helmet on a get off can be >>pretty severe. Football helmets fly off during a game >>and for anyone who's worn one, I can tell you that those helmets feel >>like they're practically painted onto your head. I would >>think that if you can take it off without loosening the straps, mother >>nature can do the same thing only not nearly as gently. 8-P > >If the straps were any tighter, I'd be choking. Yet I can still get my >chin up and under the strap. Just one of those things. Believe me - I'm >not the least bit worried it will come off in a crash. cool beans...then I envy you. I *hate* the ceremony of putting on my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 14:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OIPhSi012659; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:25:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OIPgZl012648; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:25:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924142445.023b84d0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:25:38 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: helmet strapping.... In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924141916.020db518@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133311.02476f80@mail.troutman.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@XXXXXX> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924131412.0228cde0@XXXXXX> <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:19 PM 9/24/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >cool beans A buddy of mine looks exactly like 'Koobiyak' (spelling?) I'm not the only pathetic sole to get the Parker Lewis reference am I..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 15:08:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OJ8cSi013236; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:08:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OJ8bGr013229; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:08:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:06:17 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet strapping.... Message-ID: <2293B5E8.2D70C0E9.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hell...I'm from PA and have been saying cool beans for as long as I can remember. Parker Lewis? Sounds familiar but, I'm having a hard time placing it. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 24 Sep 2002 1:25:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 02:19 PM 9/24/2002, Aki Damme wrote: > >cool beans > > A buddy of mine looks exactly like 'Koobiyak' (spelling?) > I'm not the only pathetic sole to get the Parker Lewis > reference am I..... > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 15:18:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OJIASi013381; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:18:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OJIA0c013372; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:18:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924191807.86584.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Toolkit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924131128.00b27900@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i always carry the following: 1. tire pressure guage 2. tools to adjust chain 3. leatherman 4. vise grips depending upon the length of the trip, i may bring more.... but these i consider the bare essentials. a tire patch/plug kit and co2 cannisters SHOULD be included on that short list, but i'm a lazy bastard. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 15:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OJQ4Si013516; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:26:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OJQ3XE013509; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:26:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020924152447.020e0d98@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:25:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: helmet strapping.... In-Reply-To: <2293B5E8.2D70C0E9.0C9D3659@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:06 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Hell...I'm from PA and have been saying cool beans for as long as I can >remember. Parker Lewis? Sounds familiar but, I'm having a hard time >placing it. > >Scooter oh YEAH??? Well....then how about "barbecue basement"???!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 15:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OJdMSi013733; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:39:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OJdKI4013720; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:39:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924153831.0223dab8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:39:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: helmet strapping.... In-Reply-To: <2293B5E8.2D70C0E9.0C9D3659@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A stupid mid to late 80s show - Parker Lewis Can't Lose. Think it was a FOX show. He brought 'cool beans' to the masses ;-) At 03:06 PM 9/24/2002, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Hell...I'm from PA and have been saying cool beans for as long as I can >remember. Parker Lewis? Sounds familiar but, I'm having a hard time >placing it. > >Scooter ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 15:43:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OJhESi013814; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:43:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OJhE6n013806; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:43:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f501c26402$b2f50730$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Aki Damme" References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Whats wrong with this article... Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:43:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>. The force that's exerted on a helmet on a get off can be pretty severe. Scary story... a friend of a friend was in a relatively nasty accident in the beginning of August. She was an epxerienced rider, definitely not squiddly. Leather and boots, to be sure, and helmet strapped down good, not sure about gloves but probably. She had on a 3/4 face helmet and while I am unclear on the details of the crash itself (something to do with oil on the pavement, I think, and impact with a large stone fence or retaining wall) I do know that she suffered serious head injuries. I am not sure of the name of the bone she broke but it is under your eye socket; also broke her nose. She has nasty brain damage now; was in a coma for a couple of weeks, and now can talk but she makes only nonsense. It's scary and sad... Doctors say she'd have snapped her neck, in a full-face helmet, because of the way she landed. Hope she recovers... FWIW I asked my brother to consult, way back when, on my first helmet purchase. He is a shock-trauma specialist in Chicago so he's gonna know. Since I ride in the city a lot, it's kind of likely that any accident I get into, (knock on all the wood here) will have a car involved, some dip%^it turning into me or such. He recommended NOT getting a full-face helmet for just that reason; he said a 3/4 helmet would be less likely to cause that whiplash effect that makes your neck snap. **But this ONLY applies to this kind of accident! There're times when I wear the full-face instead. *sigh* I wish I hadn't started thinking about necks snapping... I'm gonna be real paranoid while I ride home! -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 15:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OJpFSi014099; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:51:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OJpE22014090; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:51:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924154630.02463928@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:51:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Neck snapping helmet thread In-Reply-To: <00f501c26402$b2f50730$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here we go .... From all of the testing reports I have read, as well as countless usenet threads, it is my opinion that wearing a full face helmet is no more likely to snap your neck than any other helmet. You are far more likely to go down on your face or ass in any accident - using the giant black sandpaper we call pavement to rub off anything that isn't bone. I would much rather wear the full face helmet all of the time, than risk the one in a million possibility that a full face would snap my neck. I imagine that your friend of a friend may have come away with no brain damage had she been wearing a full face. No way to know that of course. I recall a lister who hit a deer last year recounting his experience - watching asphalt glide by under his face shield - very thankful it wasn't his nose or cheek grinding away. Ugh. Were we due for a helmet thread? It _is_ almost October..... At 03:43 PM 9/24/2002, Patti Rodgers wrote: >Doctors say >she'd have snapped her neck, in a full-face helmet, because of the way she >landed. Hope she recovers... > >FWIW I asked my brother to consult, way back when, on my first helmet >purchase. He is a shock-trauma specialist in Chicago so he's gonna know. >Since I ride in the city a lot, it's kind of likely that any accident I get >into, (knock on all the wood here) will have a car involved, some dip%^it >turning into me or such. He recommended NOT getting a full-face helmet for >just that reason; he said a 3/4 helmet would be less likely to cause that >whiplash effect that makes your neck snap. **But this ONLY applies to this >kind of accident! There're times when I wear the full-face instead. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 15:56:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OJu7Si014202; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:56:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OJu7Tc014193; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:56:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:56:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Whats wrong with this article... In-Reply-To: <00f501c26402$b2f50730$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you. On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Patti Rodgers wrote: > I'm gonna be real paranoid while I ride home! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 16:05:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OK5xSi014361; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:05:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OK5xeN014356; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:05:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [65.216.176.5] From: "Jim Sharifi" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Financing??? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:04:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2002 20:04:52.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5007580:01C26405] I'm looking at a new bike right now, and although there are some promotions that they are running, I wonder if I can do better. I'd love to hear some postive/negative experiences that people have had financing their new bikes and any advice (especially if you're credit is just a tad on the shady side, like mine). TIA, jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 16:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OK6tSi014412; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:06:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OK6t7w014408; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:06:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011901c26406$02809dc0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: , "Troutman" References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924154630.02463928@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Neck snapping helmet thread Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:07:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>it is my opinion that wearing a full face helmet is no more likely >>to snap your neck than any other helmet Dunno. I got the advice from my brother. He gets paid to put people back together and he's seen a lot of nasty motorcycle wrecks. He sometimes sends me the pictures, and he always emails me when there's been a motorcycle wreck; in the summer it's about one really nasty one every 3 days. Sure, he could be wrong, but I'm going to listen to him. After all, he's seen more gore and broken people in the last couple of years than I can imagine. Testing labs are all fine and good, and I know the exchange of information over news groups and such is great, but I'm gonna listen to the one who sees it all the time. Could be a concern over the severity of the injury. While it's not pretty, a shredded up face is a lot easier to repair than a broken neck. -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 16:12:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OKC9Si014732; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:12:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OKC8WT014719; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:12:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:16:46 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neck snapping helmet thread In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924154630.02463928@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Were we due for a helmet thread? It _is_ almost October..... > I like my Burger King Crown, its so damn good, it prevents me from getting into an accident in the first place. The guy at the counter said it would protect me from anything. Anyone know where I can get a DOT sticker for it? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 16:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OKLDSi014982; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:21:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OKLCrY014975; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:21:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Bike Financing??? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664DB23A@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bike Financing??? Thread-Index: AcJkBeiXHzR8/GDPRBKG7ep4DOhupAAAEyfA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Jim Sharifi" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8OKLBSi014958 Most advertised promotions are best case scenarios. Your credit score may not disqualify you from any of the promotions, but terms will likely be altered to reflect the higher credit risk. That said, most of the financing deals look good only at first glance and work for short term financing only. Once the promotional rates end, you will be paying dearly for your purchase. If you take advantate of any of them, make sure there are no prepayment penalties or sky-high interest rates after the promotional rate expires. One possibiliy is to apply for a credit card that will give you 0% financing on purchases for 1 year. Buy the bike with the card. One year later, apply for another credit card that gives you 0% financing on balance transfers. You can take this as far as you want :) Just remember that your bike will depreciate, but your credit card statement will not, unless you make those payments. Witold http://witold.org/bike/bike.php3 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sharifi [mailto:graffeces@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:05 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Financing??? I'm looking at a new bike right now, and although there are some promotions that they are running, I wonder if I can do better. I'd love to hear some postive/negative experiences that people have had financing their new bikes and any advice (especially if you're credit is just a tad on the shady side, like mine). TIA, jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 16:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OKLUSi015026; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:21:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OKLUWu015013; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:21:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924202127.4939.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Bike Financing??? To: Jim Sharifi , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I found LendingTree.com to be useful when I bought my car. You can take or leave the offers that you get through them and at the very least you can have some baseline as to what kind of deals you can expect. Chris Weaver --- Jim Sharifi wrote: > > I'm looking at a new bike right now, and although > there are some promotions > that they are running, I wonder if I can do better. > > I'd love to hear some postive/negative experiences > that people have had > financing their new bikes and any advice (especially > if you're credit is > just a tad on the shady side, like mine). > > TIA, > jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 16:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OKQGSi015293; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:26:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OKQGEa015282; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:26:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020924202614.18378.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Neck snapping helmet thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <011901c26406$02809dc0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The one thing that seems to get forgotten when you hear about nasty wrecks and injuries from those in the healthcare field is this: They rarely (if ever) get to meet those folks who walked away from a wreck because they were wearing proper gear. Therefore, they have no statistical basis for any sort of speculation on what a different set of gear would have done to the patient in their care. Chris Weaver --- Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>it is my opinion that wearing a full face helmet > is no more likely > >>to snap your neck than any other helmet > > Dunno. I got the advice from my brother. He gets > paid to put people back > together and he's seen a lot of nasty motorcycle > wrecks. He sometimes sends > me the pictures, and he always emails me when > there's been a motorcycle > wreck; in the summer it's about one really nasty one > every 3 days. Sure, > he could be wrong, but I'm going to listen to him. > After all, he's seen more > gore and broken people in the last couple of years > than I can imagine. > Testing labs are all fine and good, and I know the > exchange of information > over news groups and such is great, but I'm gonna > listen to the one who sees > it all the time. Could be a concern over the > severity of the injury. While > it's not pretty, a shredded up face is a lot easier > to repair than a broken > neck. > > -patti > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 16:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OKS0Si015347; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:28:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OKS0b2015338; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:28:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a9.907b18b.2ac224c7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:27:51 EDT Subject: Re: Whats wrong with this article... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/24/2002 3:43:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mprodgers@XXXXXX writes: > I'm gonna be > real paranoid while I ride home! And that is a bad thing? It is not paranoia when they really are out to get you. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 16:42:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OKgUSi015572; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:42:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OKgT3O015564; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:42:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D6F@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: For Hayabusa and NC-TN road fans Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:42:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/105878 Motorcyclist injured on Foothills Parkway 2002-09-21 by Lance Coleman of The Daily Times Staff A 29-year-old Florida man riding on Foothills Parkway was injured Friday when his motorcycle left the road, skidded along the shoulder, struck a tree and went down a steep embankment. Brian Magyar, a Fort Lauderdale airplane mechanic, was pulled up the 70-foot slope and taken by Rural/Metro Ambulance Service to Blount Memorial Hospital where he was treated and released, Blount County Sheriff's officials said. Magyar was riding a Suzuki GSX 1300 RX Hawabusa motorcycle with Peter Kratsh, a Fort Lauderdale mechanical engineer. Hawabusa means ``Falcon'' in Japanese, Kratsh said. [Carl: Thet's tha east Tennessee spellin' more at: http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/nakaoscar.htm] ``It looks like he did some flying of his own,'' he said, noting that it appeared Magyar injured his collar bone. The motorcycle was seen about 20 feet below the road's grass shoulder. The driver probably went 50 feet further down the slope, according to members of the Blount Special Operations Response Team. The men had hauled their motorcycles up to Fontana and were riding to Townsend when the mishap occurred at about 12:34 p.m. ``He had his full gear on, he was pretty well prepared,'' Kratsh said. ``He's a good rider. We were cruising along not pushing it. Maybe his mind wandered a bit, that's my guess.'' [Carl: "cruising on a 'Busa" Is that one of them oxy-moronic sayin's?] A National Park Service ranger, Blount County Sheriff's Office, Blount County Fire Department Blount Special Operations Response Team and Rural/Metro Ambulance Service responded. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 17:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OLn0Si016475; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:49:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OLmwjb016461; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:48:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:48:50 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Nippy out there. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > Hopefully my Streamliner will arrive today. Also looking at Rider > Wearhouse stuff -- anyone have experience with them? Worth ordering from? got my stitch from them, and some other things, very nice folks, great selection of products. Been very happy with the things I've gotten from them. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 20:05:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8P05MSi018720; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:05:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8P05LRE018709; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:05:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D90FF00.C3177554@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:10:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Sharifi CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Financing??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No help here - I finance with cash. Bill Jim Sharifi wrote: > I'm looking at a new bike right now, and although there are some promotions > that they are running, I wonder if I can do better. > > I'd love to hear some postive/negative experiences that people have had > financing their new bikes and any advice (especially if you're credit is > just a tad on the shady side, like mine). > > TIA, > jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 20:30:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8P0UuSi019059; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:30:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8P0Utcs019049; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:30:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9102B1.6070709@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:26:25 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neck snapping helmet thread References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924154630.02463928@mail.troutman.org> <011901c26406$02809dc0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But the real question is whether the snapping of one's neck is a direct result of the type of helmet worn (full-face vs. 3/4) or the fact that one's head came into contact at a relatively high rate of speed with a hard, immovable object. No disrespect to Patti's brother, but I'd want to know all the details about all the accidents before jumping to any conclusions about the "risks" associated with wearing a full-face helmet. Personally, I'm more than just a little bit suspect of the notion that wearing a full-face helmet is inherently more likely to result in snapping your neck than a 3/4 face helmet. Wouldn't that logically mean that brain buckets of the wannabe Harley set are even safer??? And if full-face helmets are so risky, then why do motorcycle and car racers wear them??? Patti Rodgers wrote: >>>it is my opinion that wearing a full face helmet is no more likely >>>to snap your neck than any other helmet >>> > > Dunno. I got the advice from my brother. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 21:09:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8P19gSi019824; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:09:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8P19fRD019808; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:09:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D910E1C.677268DC@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:15:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neck snapping helmet thread References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924154630.02463928@mail.troutman.org> <011901c26406$02809dc0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> <3D9102B1.6070709@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The full-face/3/4 discussion goes on among outboard racers too. Our unique problem is "bucketing", which is water being forced into the helmet shell at a warp speed when you fall outta the boat. Some claim FF helmets are dangerous that way, while 3/4s allow more *leakage* of hydraulic pressure. The only testing revealed that on water impact a FF creates more rotational force simply because the helmet is larger. I wore a 3/4, my son a FF, and everytime we smacked the soup we had neck strains. Conclusion - ??? - none, really. I war a 3/4 in the summer around town, a full face in the chilly breezes and when on the road because a FF is less noisy and bugs aren't on my diet. :-) Bill Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > But the real question is whether the snapping of one's neck is a direct > result of the type of helmet worn (full-face vs. 3/4) or the fact that > one's head came into contact at a relatively high rate of speed with a > hard, immovable object. No disrespect to Patti's brother, but I'd want > to know all the details about all the accidents before jumping to any > conclusions about the "risks" associated with wearing a full-face > helmet. Personally, I'm more than just a little bit suspect of the > notion that wearing a full-face helmet is inherently more likely to > result in snapping your neck than a 3/4 face helmet. Wouldn't that > logically mean that brain buckets of the wannabe Harley set are even > safer??? And if full-face helmets are so risky, then why do motorcycle > and car racers wear them??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 24 22:43:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8P2hXSi021036; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:43:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8P2hWkX021024; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:43:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:43:21 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet strapping.... Message-ID: <1389E438.059E58F9.1056E6D9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's it. I remember now. I think I watched it once. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 24 Sep 2002 2:39:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > A stupid mid to late 80s show - Parker Lewis Can't Lose. Think it was a > FOX show. He brought 'cool beans' to the masses ;-) > > At 03:06 PM 9/24/2002, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >Hell...I'm from PA and have been saying cool beans for as long as I can > >remember. Parker Lewis? Sounds familiar but, I'm having > a hard time > >placing it. > > > >Scooter > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 01:27:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8P5RZSi023058; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:27:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8P5RXK4023048; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:27:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:27:16 EDT Subject: OT: camping update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 hi everyone! a big thanks to everyone for your suggestions of camping. it wasnt a bike camping event :( however i would like to try that sometime. ill need to find someone to go with me in a car to take all of the camping stuff though! (i dont think the cooler can hold up if i just attach some wheels to it and pull it along behind the bike!) carl ... no the other carl.. nono... you carl... i checked out some of the links that you provided for a well thought out bike camping tour -- maybe next some whenever i have some more vacation time built up! (btw..i leave for europe in 6 days!!! -- i know you will all miss me!? ormaybenot.) so anyway --- we went to trap pond in delaware. we were permitted to build a campfire and they also had canoe rentals. it was very relaxing. we will probably go again in october before it gets TOO cold! jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 03:14:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8P7E3Si024409; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:14:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8P7E1dB024389; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:14:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Patti Rodgers" Cc: "DC-Cycles" , "Aki Damme" Subject: Re: Whats wrong with this article... Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: <28n2pucrfbejhrbqhn0ep3d438fajnohtb@4ax.com> References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> <00f501c26402$b2f50730$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> In-Reply-To: <00f501c26402$b2f50730$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8P7DwSi024373 Personally I'd rather my neck snap and die than have my face crushed in giving me a brain damage and a 3 week coma. What's the quality of life like with brain damage? I would also rather scrape a chinbar along the pavement in a forward slide than road rash my face in a low speed front wheel tuck lowside... oh wait I already did that! I'll always recommend full face helmets. Racers wear them for a reason. One thing I thoroughly believe is when it's your time, it's your time. When ti's not, it's not. In the mean time protect yourself from all the rest of the possible injuries. The most recent example of this, is, a friend of mine, who is typically a safe and conservative rider, managed to demolish her bike, and demonstrate a miracle, running into the back of a dump truck. The crash looked like one of speed visions most heart stopping eye opening crashes. We ran over and looked for a body or body parts near the bike. Nothing. We looked over in the grass thinking the body went over there. Nothing. We looked up, and headlights were on a body mass hanging from the back of a dump truck, looking lifeless and tangled up in the inner workings of the dump truck's rear wheel. Her sister and I run over to the dump truck. it's running, we order him to turn it off. We go back to the body. it's silent... and then... ph ph ph ph ph ph ph...... ph ph ph ph ph.... she's breathing! good! I'm afraid her body is mashed and mangled up in the rear wheel and axle parts.. her sister and I talk to her trying to give her hope. I'm thinking rescue workers will have to chop up the dump truck to get her out, and her sister finds a rubber area to move and realese her. her body was laying on the back wheel, her full face helmet on top of that wheel, the back of her helmet wedged up under, I guess the mudflap, and under the bed of the dump truck. So she is carefully removed and layed down and kept immobilized. She becomes conscius and is talking like nothing is wrong. Not dizzy nor dazed, just agitated that people are holding her down. In the end, she suffered broken right side ribs and some broken left side ribs, punctured lung, lacerated liver, and some roadrash which i presume is from the tire as the truck continued to roll on to a stop after the impact. Anyway that helmet had her dangling, but probably kept the truck wheel from acting as a meat grinder on her face. Two nights ago she looked like an internet motorcycle death scene accident photo on gore.com, today she looked like any other normal hospital patient sitting in a chair ready to go home... with some pain of course. The woman is blessed. oh yea and she had a chunk of meat missing out the side of her right leg, i guess the size of plum or some such. she doesn't even know that yet. She's talking about riding in full leathers from now on. Her sister who also rides is not swayed from riding either.. but I guess we understand that love/risk of riding don't we? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 03:16:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8P7GgSi024485; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:16:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8P7GgLl024481; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:16:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neck snapping helmet thread Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:19:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> <00f501c26402$b2f50730$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924154630.02463928@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924154630.02463928@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8P7GeSi024469 The brain damage could be a result of facial bone being forced up into the brain. I know i've slid my face along the pavement. I felt like an unstoppable human rocket. I could feel G forces. Luckily I got up, picked up my bike, shifted with my heel cuz my ankle was sore, took that bike home, switched to my newer bike, and kept riding with my friends who i had planned to meet up with. oh and a sore toe. Anyone chosing a non full face helmet is fooling themselves. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 03:28:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8P7S8Si024664; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:28:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8P7S8Cs024657; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:28:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neck snapping helmet thread Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:31:25 -0400 Message-ID: References: <011901c26406$02809dc0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> <20020924202614.18378.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020924202614.18378.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8P7S7Si024645 One also has to account for the fact that trauma care providers do not study the accident scene or the gear. They deal with cleaning up the mess. One could argue that some full face helmets are thick enough that the rear would limit snap back at a certain point. Also even medical care providers can theorize wrong. Snell foundation says full face helmets are better. Racing organizations around the world say so too. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that if there are accident studies of helmets, full face helmets are exponentially safer in preventing injuries to the myriad of types of accidents. i can't accept reconstructing my face. I would strong consider giving up riding before I would continually commute and ride without a full face helmet. Without some kind of unarguable research, one cannot convince me that wearing lesss than a full face helmet might be safer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 03:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8P7UPSi024735; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:30:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8P7UORW024729; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:30:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Jim Sharifi" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Financing??? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <6jp2pus033flcnk8qqu2qccn0psg4lun0a@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8P7UNSi024712 Don't finance a new bike. Buy a used bike that someone has to get rid of for half it's value. There are some very good bargains this time of year. a 2000 zx9 sold on ebay for $3550!! On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:04:52 -0400, "Jim Sharifi" wrote: > >I'm looking at a new bike right now, and although there are some promotions >that they are running, I wonder if I can do better. > >I'd love to hear some postive/negative experiences that people have had >financing their new bikes and any advice (especially if you're credit is >just a tad on the shady side, like mine). > >TIA, >jim > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 08:06:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PC6TSi026480; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:06:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PC6SSP026466; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:06:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" , Jim Sharifi Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Financing??? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:06:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Good point there are some good deals out there but you don't have the warranty you get with a new bike. I am currently searching for a new bike and have been looking at cad cycles. Do you know anything about them? The bikes seem to be good although some need some tlc. -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:34 AM To: Jim Sharifi Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Financing??? Don't finance a new bike. Buy a used bike that someone has to get rid of for half it's value. There are some very good bargains this time of year. a 2000 zx9 sold on ebay for $3550!! On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:04:52 -0400, "Jim Sharifi" wrote: > >I'm looking at a new bike right now, and although there are some promotions >that they are running, I wonder if I can do better. > >I'd love to hear some postive/negative experiences that people have had >financing their new bikes and any advice (especially if you're credit is >just a tad on the shady side, like mine). > >TIA, >jim > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 08:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PCWcSi026616; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:32:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PCWbMF026603; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:32:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Neck warmer?? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:32:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2002 12:32:30.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D3B10F0:01C2648F] Last winter I rode a lot my gear keeps me toasty except my neck. By the time I ride about twenty minutes my neck feels like an icicle. Any tricks or good products to help this I've tried one of those fleece neck warmers and that was ok but it still lets the wind in. Any ideas? Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 08:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PCaeSi026667; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:36:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PCae4j026657; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:36:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: marcwashington@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:36:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2002 12:36:33.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E34DDC0:01C26490] Sorry about the miising punctuation; the coffe hasn't kicked in yet! >Last winter I rode a lot my gear keeps me toasty except my neck. By the >time I ride about twenty minutes my neck feels like an icicle. Any tricks >or good products to help this I've tried one of those fleece neck warmers >and that was ok but it still lets the wind in. Any ideas? > > > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 08:36:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PCamSi026704; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:36:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PCam2x026698; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:36:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D91AF20.6134A5CC@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:42:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: camping update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Camping off a motorcycle - Four words: Bungee cords - cargo nets. Forget the cooler, buy stuff and use it as you go. Well, maybe a small cooler for for those refrigerated beverages, or go British and drink it warm! Before the LEOs got testy, I use to grab chow at a diner, scoot down to the next rest stop and sleep on on those handy picnic tables. The really nice rest stops have little roofs over the tables. Perfect! Bill Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > hi everyone! > > a big thanks to everyone for your suggestions of camping. it wasnt a bike > camping event :( however i would like to try that sometime. ill need to > find someone to go with me in a car to take all of the camping stuff though! > (i dont think the cooler can hold up if i just attach some wheels to it and > pull it along behind the bike!) > > carl ... no the other carl.. nono... you carl... i checked out some of the > links that you provided for a well thought out bike camping tour -- maybe > next some whenever i have some more vacation time built up! (btw..i leave > for europe in 6 days!!! -- i know you will all miss me!? ormaybenot.) > > so anyway --- we went to trap pond in delaware. we were permitted to build a > campfire and they also had canoe rentals. it was very relaxing. we will > probably go again in october before it gets TOO cold! > > jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 08:50:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PCoOSi026948; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:50:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PCoOvW026938; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:50:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005e01c26492$2d381c50$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" Cc: References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> <00f501c26402$b2f50730$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924154630.02463928@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Neck snapping helmet thread Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:50:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>One thing I thoroughly believe is when it's your time, it's your time. >>When ti's not, it's not. In the mean time protect yourself from all >>the rest of the possible injuries. I think that about sums it up... It's kind of a personal decision: full-face or 3/4 helmet? Just like Leather or Textile? Or to live in DC or MD? And so on. You take all the information you have and you pick the best one for you. Would it be worth the risk to rash your face badly in one type of accident, on the off-chance that, in a different type of accident, a different helmet might not contribute to brain or neck injuries? Not sure. And what I pick might not be the same thing someone else would pick. (I did shop around for a long while for a 3/4 helmet with a full-face sheild, though.) More importantly, though, is just exposing yourself to the options and hearing other peoples' points of view. One of the best things about this list is the sheer volume of personal experience people will share. Helps you make up your mind. cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 08:51:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PCptSi027001; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:51:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PCpt86026992; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:51:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Marc Washington'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Neck warmer?? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:49:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain The thing to use is windstopper fleese this stuff is awesome. You can get it at REI or HTO. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Washington [mailto:marcwashington@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Neck warmer?? Last winter I rode a lot my gear keeps me toasty except my neck. By the time I ride about twenty minutes my neck feels like an icicle. Any tricks or good products to help this I've tried one of those fleece neck warmers and that was ok but it still lets the wind in. Any ideas? Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 09:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PD7OSi027170; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:07:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PD7Nro027155; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:07:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020925090125.00b28088@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:07:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:32 AM 9/25/2002 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: >Last winter I rode a lot my gear keeps me toasty except my neck. By the >time I ride about twenty minutes my neck feels like an icicle. Any tricks >or good products to help this I've tried one of those fleece neck warmers >and that was ok but it still lets the wind in. Any ideas? > > > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com Many bike shops as well as JCW sell a fleece head cover. The cover pulls over your head and has an oval cutout for your eyes. The cover pulls down pass your neck and about 5" past your neck so that when you wear it and a jacket it forms a nice tight air seal. I've had mine for years and with it on, I feel absolutely zero cold around my face and neck even with a 3/4 helmet on (although a full face works much better when it's cold). From JCW: http://www.jcw.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=60266&BQ=mot a different variation that just covers the neck and chest: http://www.jcw.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=60251&BQ=mot and finally a variation of the above that covers the face: http://www.jcw.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=60256&BQ=mot there's others there that are similiar. Just go to www.jcw.com and choose motorcycles --> biker apparel --> headgear hth. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 09:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PDPfSi027316; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:25:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PDPepM027306; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:25:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925132538.80814.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Whats wrong with this article... To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1a9.907b18b.2ac224c7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/24/2002 3:43:32 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > mprodgers@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm gonna be > > real paranoid while I ride home! > > And that is a bad thing? > > It is not paranoia when they really are out to get you. but believing they really are out to get you when they're not is definitely paranoia.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 09:33:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PDXBSi027496; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:33:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PDXBQC027488; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:33:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D91BA67.8430B723@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:30:15 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Helmets??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm... www.helmetshop.com Try said helmet on for size at Coleman and then save 20-30 percent at Helmet-Shop.com. Also just slightly cheaper visors/shieldz. CP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 10:07:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PE77Si027774; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:07:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PE77ED027767; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:07:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:11:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Financing??? In-Reply-To: <3D90FF00.C3177554@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:10:40 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: Jim Sharifi > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Financing??? > > No help here - I finance with cash. heh... I know who I'm hitting up for a loan when I need new wheels ;-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 10:12:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PECaSi027903; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:12:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PECaPd027889; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:12:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:12:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Anyone ride a BMW R1150GS or an "Adventure" Tourer? To: Sanath S Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D91C447.168C8113@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Sanath S wrote: > Anyone here ride either the R1150GS or the V-Strom? Comments? They are both uglier than dog-squeeze when parked next to a Moto Guzzi Quota. The Quota is one sweeeeeeet looking ride. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 10:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PEXMSi028116; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:33:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PEXLfu028103; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:33:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D91C881.5C00637C@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:30:25 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Reckless... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I stiill don't see how getting nailed for any speeding violation doens't mostly come down to two things: 1) Got quota filled for the month? 2) Bad time with the woman last night? Perhaps some free verse... Fookin' fook fook fook. I literally can't ride for more than 3 miles around Arlington without seeing at least one LEO. Fookin' fook fook fook. Saw some dude get pulled over yesterday for absolutely nothing and the big fat ass cop gets off his bike and struts over to the car like he's some bad ass sh*t. Fookin' fook fook fook. Tired of hearing stories about cops and their wet tee shirt "club meetings" and jokes about "2 legged deer"; now that's moral authority. Fookin' fook fook fook. Waiting for everyone to be implanted with a National Personal Identification System GPS microchip in the name of "homeland security". Fookin' fook fook fook. People are already doing it to their children. Fookin' fook fook fook. All of this is, of course, of no interest to the commercial business sector but for our own "good". Fookin' fook fook fook. Money in music and money in law enforcement make Carl sad. Fookin' fook fook fook. :( Oh well...what goes around comes around. :) Pax, Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 10:42:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PEgLSi028231; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:42:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PEgKbh028221; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:42:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006f01c26496$aac67500$ef8b5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:22:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Just spotted. Leans on National Motorists Association http://www.motorists.com Comments are U.S.-wide, cage-oriented of course. "Can't Drive 55? A speeding ticket may mean higher premiums, so take the time to beat the rap." http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/2002/September/managing/speeding. html (no signin necessary). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > working on stealth mode cloak Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 11:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PFnASi028768; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:49:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PFn8lg028749; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:49:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <199.dbfe184.2ac334eb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:48:59 EDT Subject: Re: OT: camping update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/25/2002 1:27:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX writes: > it wasnt a bike > camping event :( however i would like to try that sometime. ill need to > find someone to go with me in a car to take all of the camping stuff though! > A lot of modern campgrounds have cabins, all you need is bedding (at KOA types) and at motorcycle only campgrounds you should not even need that. Camping on a bike is fun! John, who rides the worlds smallest motor home when camping #:-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 11:55:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PFtKSi028950; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:55:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PFtKsq028940; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:55:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C39E@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Neck warmer?? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:55:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" BobsBMW in Jessup sell this.. It looks like what autoracers where under their helmets... I bought my at Bobs for 20 bucks.. It's nylon on the top, but after the oval cutout for you eyes.. It turns into fleece and keeps you chin and neck warm in cold weather.... It's great Jason -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 9/25/02 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? At 08:32 AM 9/25/2002 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: >Last winter I rode a lot my gear keeps me toasty except my neck. By the >time I ride about twenty minutes my neck feels like an icicle. Any tricks >or good products to help this I've tried one of those fleece neck warmers >and that was ok but it still lets the wind in. Any ideas? > > > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com Many bike shops as well as JCW sell a fleece head cover. The cover pulls over your head and has an oval cutout for your eyes. The cover pulls down pass your neck and about 5" past your neck so that when you wear it and a jacket it forms a nice tight air seal. I've had mine for years and with it on, I feel absolutely zero cold around my face and neck even with a 3/4 helmet on (although a full face works much better when it's cold). From JCW: http://www.jcw.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=60266&BQ=mot a different variation that just covers the neck and chest: http://www.jcw.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=60251&BQ=mot and finally a variation of the above that covers the face: http://www.jcw.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=60256&BQ=mot there's others there that are similiar. Just go to www.jcw.com and choose motorcycles --> biker apparel --> headgear hth. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 12:35:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PGZsSi029393; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:35:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PGZs22029385; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:35:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Marc Washington" Cc: marcwashington@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:39:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8PGZrSi029368 neck warmers that ski-ers wear has worked well for me. On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:36:33 -0400, "Marc Washington" wrote: >Sorry about the miising punctuation; the coffe hasn't kicked in yet! > > >>Last winter I rode a lot my gear keeps me toasty except my neck. By the >>time I ride about twenty minutes my neck feels like an icicle. Any tricks >>or good products to help this I've tried one of those fleece neck warmers >>and that was ok but it still lets the wind in. Any ideas? >> >> >> >>Marc Washington >>88' Honda Hawk >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >>http://www.hotmail.com > > > > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 13:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PH1SSi029597; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:01:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PH1RcO029586; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:01:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Patti Rodgers" Cc: Subject: Re: Neck snapping helmet thread Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:04:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640916E@rnc1.rnchq.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20020924132112.020cb918@pop.east.cox.net> <00f501c26402$b2f50730$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924154630.02463928@mail.troutman.org> <005e01c26492$2d381c50$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> In-Reply-To: <005e01c26492$2d381c50$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8PH1QSi029574 Touche'. Good point. To me it's kind of like the decision to smoke or not smoke though. On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:50:46 -0400, "Patti Rodgers" wrote: >>>One thing I thoroughly believe is when it's your time, it's your time. >>>When ti's not, it's not. In the mean time protect yourself from all >>>the rest of the possible injuries. > >I think that about sums it up... > >It's kind of a personal decision: full-face or 3/4 helmet? Just like >Leather or Textile? Or to live in DC or MD? And so on. You take all the >information you have and you pick the best one for you. Would it be worth >the risk to rash your face badly in one type of accident, on the off-chance >that, in a different type of accident, a different helmet might not >contribute to brain or neck injuries? Not sure. And what I pick might not >be the same thing someone else would pick. (I did shop around for a long >while for a 3/4 helmet with a full-face sheild, though.) > >More importantly, though, is just exposing yourself to the options and >hearing other peoples' points of view. One of the best things about this >list is the sheer volume of personal experience people will share. Helps >you make up your mind. > >cheers, > >patti > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 13:08:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PH8tSi029664; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:08:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PH8tEV029653; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:08:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020925130815.020f88e0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:08:48 -0400 To: Motor PsychoL Danny , "Marc Washington" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? Cc: marcwashington@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:39 PM 9/25/2002 -0400, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >neck warmers that ski-ers wear has worked well for me. ..just remember to take it off before going into the bank or local 7/11. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 13:16:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PHG4Si029765; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:16:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PHG3Jd029754; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:16:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <018c01c264b7$25a41be0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020925130815.020f88e0@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:15:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" > At 12:39 PM 9/25/2002 -0400, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >neck warmers that ski-ers wear has worked well for me. > > > ..just remember to take it off before going into the bank or local 7/11. ;-) > Why? Seeing the clerks dive behind the counter is such fun. For the record, I use the Gerbing 'lectric liner with the high neck and a fleece neck warmer on top to fill in underneath the full face helmet. You can also buy a NOJ Quiet Rider to block the wind. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 13:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PHNQSi029879; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:23:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PHNQlv029872; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:23:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01be01c264b8$2db51f40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <006f01c26496$aac67500$ef8b5b0c@micron> Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:22:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 If everyone contested every ticket, the Sand in the Gears effect would be quite dramatic. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" > Just spotted. Leans on National Motorists Association > http://www.motorists.com Comments are U.S.-wide, cage-oriented of course. > > "Can't Drive 55? A speeding ticket may mean higher premiums, so take the > time to beat the rap." > http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/2002/September/managing/speeding. > html (no signin necessary). > > Bill S. / DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 13:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PHQZSi029929; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:26:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PHQYJq029924; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:26:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020925132248.021160d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:26:26 -0400 To: "dc-cycles list" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? In-Reply-To: <018c01c264b7$25a41be0$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020925130815.020f88e0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:15 PM 9/25/2002 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Aki Damme" > > > At 12:39 PM 9/25/2002 -0400, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > >neck warmers that ski-ers wear has worked well for me. > > > > > > ..just remember to take it off before going into the bank or local 7/11. >;-) > > >Why? Seeing the clerks dive behind the counter is such fun. For the >record, I use the Gerbing 'lectric liner with the high neck and a fleece >neck warmer on top to fill in underneath the full face helmet. You can also >buy a NOJ Quiet Rider to block the wind. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 when I lived down in Va. Beach, one winter I walked into a bank (that was when ATM's were located in the lobby), and forgot to take off my ski mask that I wore under my helmet. I couldn't understand why everyone was staring at me and everyone stopped talking. When I looked into the one way mirror at the ATM I burst out laughing and pulled the mask off, turned around and looked at everyone and just said "cold as heck out there on a motorcycle!" The collective sigh of relief and nervous laughter was priceless. I don't think I'd do that today though with the terror-mania climate we live in. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 14:47:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PIlYSi030515; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:47:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PIlXun030496; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:47:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:46:54 -0400 From: mark-lists-dccycles@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gloves? Message-Id: <20020925144654.65e7ba4c.mark-lists-dccycles@amberjack.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any recommendations on gloves (brands & models)? I heard the Held's quality has gone down and should now be avoided. Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor? Thanks -- Mark Lundquist Bit Twiddlers mark-lists-dccycles@XXXXXX Alright Brain, you don't like me, and I don't like you. But lets just do this, and I can get back to killing you with beer. --Homer Simpson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 14:51:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PIpsSi030587; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:51:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PIpsgw030578; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:51:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925185152.58721.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gloves? To: mark-lists-dccycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020925144654.65e7ba4c.mark-lists-dccycles@amberjack.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- mark-lists-dccycles@XXXXXX wrote: > > Any recommendations on gloves (brands & models)? > > I heard the Held's quality has gone down and should now > be avoided. Can > anyone confirm or deny the rumor? absolutely. and, accordingly, those of you who own held gloves should forward them to me for disposal. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 15:05:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PJ5RSi030933; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:05:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PJ5RTW030925; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:05:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jonschumer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:05:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2002 19:05:20.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E1F7C10:01C264C6] Thanks That JCW looks face and chest JCW looks like it will definetly do the trick!! >At 08:32 AM 9/25/2002 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: >>Last winter I rode a lot my gear keeps me toasty except my neck. By the >>time I ride about twenty minutes my neck feels like an icicle. Any tricks >>or good products to help this I've tried one of those fleece neck warmers >>and that was ok but it still lets the wind in. Any ideas? >> >> >> >>Marc Washington >>88' Honda Hawk >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >>http://www.hotmail.com > >Many bike shops as well as JCW sell a fleece head cover. The cover pulls >over your >head and has an oval cutout for your eyes. The cover pulls down pass your >neck and >about 5" past your neck so that when you wear it and a jacket it forms a >nice tight >air seal. I've had mine for years and with it on, I feel absolutely zero >cold around my >face and neck even with a 3/4 helmet on (although a full face works much >better when >it's cold). > > >From JCW: > >http://www.jcw.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=60266&BQ=mot > >a different variation that just covers the neck and chest: > >http://www.jcw.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=60251&BQ=mot > > >and finally a variation of the above that covers the face: > >http://www.jcw.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=60256&BQ=mot > > >there's others there that are similiar. Just go to www.jcw.com and >choose motorcycles --> biker apparel --> headgear > > >hth. > >cheers, >-aki Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 15:11:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PJBQSi031034; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:11:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PJBQtX031025; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:11:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020925151042.0218e928@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:11:15 -0400 To: "Marc Washington" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? Cc: jonschumer@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:05 PM 9/25/2002 -0400, Marc Washington wrote: >Thanks That JCW looks face and chest JCW looks like it will definetly do >the trick!! great! Cheap too...so even if it only lasts a couple of seasons it's no great loss. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 15:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PJF4Si031102; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:15:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PJF3mJ031095; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:15:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D920A87.FAB6495E@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:12:07 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Speed trap activity on rt.50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI: Seen 3 people pulled over today within 6 hours in the exact same spot on Rt.50 in VA east-bound just before 50 crosses Washington Blvd. Two marked, one dark blue unmarked. CP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 15:19:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PJJKSi031158; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:19:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PJJKam031146; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:19:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:23:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Speed trap activity on rt.50 In-Reply-To: <3D920A87.FAB6495E@carlparker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Carl Parker wrote: > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:12:07 -0400 > From: Carl Parker > To: DCCycles > Subject: Speed trap activity on rt.50 > > FYI: > Seen 3 people pulled over today within 6 hours in the exact same spot > on Rt.50 in VA east-bound just before 50 crosses Washington Blvd. Two > marked, one dark blue unmarked. Is this the spot, just after you come up the hill after going under Glebe, where they have a little pull off that you can't quite see until you're up the hill far enough, and, of course, by that point, screwed? I think the speed limit there is 45, though most people cruise that much faster. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 15:23:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PJNhSi031228; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:23:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PJNhiX031221; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:23:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:23:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So I've worn my JR Ballistic 3.0 pants for... about 600 miles now, and already they're falling apart. The stitching on the pocket is coming out, leaving a hole through which fun things like pens and keys can fall. And the mesh over the right kneepad is fraying right at the top of the pad. Neither of these flaws have yet impacted the protective qualities of the pants. Still, they're probably indicative of the general level of build quality. And while I'm grumping about JR build quality, my JR Speedway gloves are also showing signs of premature wear. The hook-and-loop portion of the gauntlet is also losing its stitching, and beginning to come loose. Clearly one gets what one pays for. Fish. crabby From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 15:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PJWBSi031398; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:32:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PJWAXn031387; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:32:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925193208.12094.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the knee armor pocket riping out is a design flaw. JR garment designers forgot that those who wear protection don't ride cruisers with their legs spread out straight in front of them to better suffer compound fractures of the legs. *duck* JR forgot that when the knee is at a 90 deg angle the outer surface needs to have more material so it can accomodate the armor bending. Since they didn't it tears out of the top. Both of my pants do that. Duct tape solves the problem for me as the ripping stops once the fabric gets enough leeway. I've been meaning to call/email them and bitch. ===== I'll belive in evlution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 15:32:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PJWvSi031438; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:32:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PJWvuI031433; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:32:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:37:35 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > And while I'm grumping about JR build quality, my JR Speedway gloves are > also showing signs of premature wear. The hook-and-loop portion of the > gauntlet is also losing its stitching, and beginning to come loose. > Yeah, the stiching on my Phoenix pants is coming out too. I guess the pavement wore it down a bit from my wreck earlier this year. Jacket and gloves are still good after a nice washing. If you have a problem, send em back, they'll give you a new set and beat the crap out of the kid that stiched them poorly. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 15:43:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PJh1Si031614; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:43:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PJh1nc031606; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:43:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'dan'" , Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:42:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I agree send them back they'll give you another pair. -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:38 PM To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. > And while I'm grumping about JR build quality, my JR Speedway gloves are > also showing signs of premature wear. The hook-and-loop portion of the > gauntlet is also losing its stitching, and beginning to come loose. > Yeah, the stiching on my Phoenix pants is coming out too. I guess the pavement wore it down a bit from my wreck earlier this year. Jacket and gloves are still good after a nice washing. If you have a problem, send em back, they'll give you a new set and beat the crap out of the kid that stiched them poorly. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 15:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PJmsSi031724; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:48:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PJmrpQ031708; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:48:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925194850.45375.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > I agree send them back they'll give you another pair. so I can send them back a month later? I wrote them a nice email complaint. I'd rather they rap the knuckles of their pattern makers for forgetting the basic laws of joint design. ===== I'll belive in evlution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 16:04:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PK4aSi031863; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:04:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PK4Zh9031855; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:04:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:04:21 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. Message-ID: <3B80095E.61D44E27.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated Wed, 25 Sep 2002 2:23:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > So I've worn my JR Ballistic 3.0 pants for... about 600 miles now, and > already they're falling apart. The stitching on the pocket is coming out, > leaving a hole through which fun things like pens and keys can fall. And > the mesh over the right kneepad is fraying right at the top of the pad. > > Neither of these flaws have yet impacted the protective qualities of the > pants. Still, they're probably indicative of the general level of build > quality. > > And while I'm grumping about JR build quality, my JR Speedway gloves are > also showing signs of premature wear. The hook-and-loop portion of the > gauntlet is also losing its stitching, and beginning to > come loose. > > Clearly one gets what one pays for. > > Fish. > crabby Shouldn't that "crabby" be before "Fish"? ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 16:06:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PK6dSi032043; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:06:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PK6dEW032033; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:06:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925200636.1241.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Fwd: RE: wide-spread failure of JR Ballistic pants knee seams To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wow, that was quick! 5 minutes. --- Todd wrote: > From: "Todd" > To: "'matthew patton'" > Subject: RE: wide-spread failure of JR Ballistic pants knee seams > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:02:01 -0600 > > The problem has been addressed and fixed. If you are having problems > send them back and we will replace them. We will also replace them > with > the new 4.0 if you request it but the new 3.0 works fine because all > of > us here (serious riders) wear the Ballistic 3.0 and the first run did > this but has been fixed since that problem. Thanks Todd Tueller > Customer Service Manager > Joe Rocket > 925 Turnbull Dr. > Idaho Falls, ID. 83401 > 1-800-635-6103 > todd@XXXXXX ===== I'll belive in evlution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 16:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PK8ISi032185; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:08:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PK8IAK032177; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:08:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020925160753.0214be40@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:08:09 -0400 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: wide-spread failure of JR Ballistic pants knee seams In-Reply-To: <20020925200636.1241.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Wow! Is right! Now THAT is customer service! At 01:06 PM 9/25/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: >wow, that was quick! 5 minutes. > >--- Todd wrote: > > From: "Todd" > > To: "'matthew patton'" > > Subject: RE: wide-spread failure of JR Ballistic pants knee seams > > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:02:01 -0600 > > > > The problem has been addressed and fixed. If you are having problems > > send them back and we will replace them. We will also replace them > > with > > the new 4.0 if you request it but the new 3.0 works fine because all > > of > > us here (serious riders) wear the Ballistic 3.0 and the first run did > > this but has been fixed since that problem. Thanks Todd Tueller > > Customer Service Manager > > Joe Rocket > > 925 Turnbull Dr. > > Idaho Falls, ID. 83401 > > 1-800-635-6103 > > todd@XXXXXX > > >===== >I'll belive in evlution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their >scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 16:27:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PKRXSi032444; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:27:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PKRXTL032437; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:27:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:27:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: wide-spread failure of JR Ballistic pants knee seams In-Reply-To: <20020925200636.1241.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, matthew patton wrote: > > The problem has been addressed and fixed. Oh, really? Odd that multiple people are having the problem, then, especially since Matt and I wear different styles of pant (and presumably from different runs)... Oh well. Just send the gear straight to the address he gave, and they'll return it? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 16:36:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PKaHSi032534; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:36:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PKaHNn032523; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:36:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925203615.77380.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. To: dan , Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- dan wrote: > > And while I'm grumping about JR build quality, my JR > Speedway gloves are > > also showing signs of premature wear. The hook-and-loop > portion of the > > gauntlet is also losing its stitching, and beginning to > come loose. > > > > Yeah, the stiching on my Phoenix pants is coming out too. > I guess the > pavement wore it down a bit from my wreck earlier this > year. Jacket and > gloves are still good after a nice washing. If you have > a problem, send > em back, they'll give you a new set and beat the crap out > of the kid that > stiched them poorly. clearly vanson's horribly inflated prices are a result of (i) having adults participate in the production of the gear; and (ii) failing to incorporate duct tape into the design strategy. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 16:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PKdKSi032582; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:39:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PKdKVs032573; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:39:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925203917.1354.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: wide-spread failure of JR Ballistic pants knee seams To: Aki Damme , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020925160753.0214be40@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > Wow! Is right! Now THAT is customer service! isn't this kinda like being really satisfied with the waiter who brought you a fresh turd on a platter? > At 01:06 PM 9/25/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: > >wow, that was quick! 5 minutes. > > > >--- Todd wrote: > > > From: "Todd" > > > To: "'matthew patton'" > > > Subject: RE: wide-spread failure of JR Ballistic > pants knee seams > > > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:02:01 -0600 > > > > > > The problem has been addressed and fixed. If you are > having problems > > > send them back and we will replace them. We will also > replace them > > > with > > > the new 4.0 if you request it but the new 3.0 works > fine because all > > > of > > > us here (serious riders) wear the Ballistic 3.0 and > the first run did > > > this but has been fixed since that problem. Thanks > Todd Tueller > > > Customer Service Manager > > > Joe Rocket > > > 925 Turnbull Dr. > > > Idaho Falls, ID. 83401 > > > 1-800-635-6103 > > > todd@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 16:51:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PKpNSi032685; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:51:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PKpMJE032669; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:51:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <01be01c264b8$2db51f40$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: <20020925133620.Q93447-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > If everyone contested every ticket, the Sand in the Gears effect would be > quite dramatic. > > Paul Very true. Here is my 'Sand in the Gears' ticket fighting story - I was cruising down the Gee Dubya when I got pulled by a LEO. He walked up to my car, pointed to my V1 and indicated that it was not legal to use a radar detector in VA. I pointed out to him that it was not plugged in. He then told me it was not legal to possess a radar detector. I told him I lived in MD. He did not care and wrote me a ticket for $80 for radar detector posession. Decided to wait for a court date and fight the ticket that was for 'Posession of a Radar Detector' (or something along those lines). Court date comes and I'm waiting around in the lobby for the session to begin. They have these roving helpers walking around to everyone trying to take pleas in advance. A helper approaches me and takes a look at my paperwork... Helper: If you pay me the fine now, you're free to go. Me: No thanks, I'll wait and waste the court's time. Helper looks back at paperwork. Helper: You can get a 50% reduction in the fine, pay now and you're free to go. Me: No thanks, I live in MD. I can possess a radar detector. I wasn't using it at the time. I have no trouble waiting here to tell that to the judge. Helper leaves for a minute. Helper comes back, signs my paperwork and I'm free to go :-) I recently got a ticket for 82 in a 55. I went to court and got it reduced to 64 in a 55 which was only a single point violation. My wife got stopped on the same road, took it to court and got PBJ. In both instances, we were guilty of speeding but got the penalty reduced/eliminated just for showing up to court. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 17:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PLGvSi000617; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:16:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PLGu15000609; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:16:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925211654.66322.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: OT SPAM shed sale To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Time to clean out my shed to make more room for storage. Anyone interested in a 5hp snowthrower for $50.00 (obo)? How about a rototiller for $50.00? Lawn edger (not a weed wacker... an edger) $25.00? E-mail me directly or phone me at 301-869-2984 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 17:44:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PLivSi000928; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:44:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PLivw8000922; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:44:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925214443.4141.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:44:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Wayne Edelen , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020925133620.Q93447-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Your stories are excellent. Keep up the good work! --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > If everyone contested every ticket, the Sand in > the Gears effect would be > > quite dramatic. > > > > Paul > > Very true. Here is my 'Sand in the Gears' ticket > fighting story - I was > cruising down the Gee Dubya when I got pulled by a > LEO. He walked up to > my car, pointed to my V1 and indicated that it was > not legal to use a > radar detector in VA. I pointed out to him that it > was not plugged in. > He then told me it was not legal to possess a radar > detector. I told him > I lived in MD. He did not care and wrote me a > ticket for $80 for radar > detector posession. > > Decided to wait for a court date and fight the > ticket that was for > 'Posession of a Radar Detector' (or something along > those lines). Court > date comes and I'm waiting around in the lobby for > the session to begin. > They have these roving helpers walking around to > everyone trying to take > pleas in advance. A helper approaches me and takes > a look at my > paperwork... > > Helper: If you pay me the fine now, you're free to > go. > Me: No thanks, I'll wait and waste the court's time. > > Helper looks back at paperwork. > > Helper: You can get a 50% reduction in the fine, pay > now and you're free > to go. > Me: No thanks, I live in MD. I can possess a radar > detector. I wasn't > using it at the time. I have no trouble waiting > here to tell that to the > judge. > > Helper leaves for a minute. Helper comes back, > signs my paperwork and I'm > free to go :-) > > I recently got a ticket for 82 in a 55. I went to > court and got it > reduced to 64 in a 55 which was only a single point > violation. My wife > got stopped on the same road, took it to court and > got PBJ. > > In both instances, we were guilty of speeding but > got the penalty > reduced/eliminated just for showing up to court. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 17:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PLu4Si001030; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:56:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PLu3GK001014; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:56:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:55:05 -0400 Subject: FS: Ducati 748L, Silver Neiman Marcus edition From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2002 21:55:59.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[55005E40:01C264DE] I am posting this for a guy I work with. Please contact him with any questions. '98 Ducati 748L, Silver, limited Neiman Marcus edition #73 of 100 made. Comes with Ducati leather jacket and gloves that were part of the package as well as bike stand. Always garage kept and in excellent condition, one minor scratch on right side fairing. Never been laid down has 10,200 miles and has had 6000 mile dealer service. Arrow carbon fiber exhaust, license plate eliminator and lots of carbon extras. $8000 call 202-257-2693 or email skrombolz@XXXXXX . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 18:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PMOSSi001235; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:24:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PMOSel001227; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:24:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001701c264e2$29488440$c17e5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC Friday MC Parking Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:23:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 It was one of those serendiptiious moments -- Walking by the PMI lot at 18+ L Street about 9a and saw a couple of bikes in the cubbyhole (to see it is to know it). Flash! This might be an opportune, more secure place for peace of mind MC parking come the WB/IMF events. Out of the way and overseeing attendant on duty. So I asked. $3/day for MC's. Sounded repeatable to me. Looks limited, so priorarrange/early probably in order. Remember, L St. one-way east so enter from north on 19th or south on 20th or further west. Its the last parking ("PMI") on right, about 1/2 way between 19-18 St. Enter into the alley just prior to the exiting upramp. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > "Park" is an unnatural state. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 18:36:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PMaSSi001454; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:36:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PMaSn5001445; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:36:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: jdonovan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: electric vests/jackets Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:35:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2002 22:35:20.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4967860:01C264E3] My humble apologies for being a few days late with this, but it's been a busy week. I have the thin Gerbings jacket liner, gloves, and dual heat-troller and absolutely love them. (sure the gloves are a bit bulky, but they are damn warm!) Fits fine between a long sleeve shirt and my RoadCrafter jacket. The dual thermostat allows the jacket and gloves to be controlled individually. If you haven't already, give Mike Vlahos a call and try the stuff out. I don't think you'll be disapponted. Rob '98 VFR800 From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: electric vests/jackets Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Paul mentioned electric gear in a recent post, and had a few questions for the group. I'm planning on continuing to use the bike to commute on even once the temps begin to dip, so I think some level of electrics are going to be mandatory. I've been looking at both the vests and the higher wattage jackets from several companies. I've been able to find several favorable vest reviews, but not many opinions on the full jackets... anyone out there have one, use one, or have opinions about them? -jd _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 18:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PMphSi001572; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:51:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PMpgAN001561; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:51:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: marcwashington@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neck warmer?? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:50:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2002 22:50:35.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5F49350:01C264E5] In addition to the high zipped collar to the Gerbings thin jacket liner, I wear one of those Neoprene (?sp) ski masks from Ski Chalet. It just protects the nose and chin area, but keeps them quite warm. There are other models that protect more of the neck area that might work better without a high collar on a jacket or liner. YMMV Just my two cents. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Neck warmer?? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:32:29 -0400 Last winter I rode a lot my gear keeps me toasty except my neck. By the time I ride about twenty minutes my neck feels like an icicle. Any tricks or good products to help this I've tried one of those fleece neck warmers and that was ok but it still lets the wind in. Any ideas? Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 19:24:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PNOsSi002108; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:24:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PNOrW2002096; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:24:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D924514.9FDCDBA4@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:21:56 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Speed trap activity on rt.50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yuppers...theres a little spot behind some bushes that looks like the car would have to back out to get on the road. If you look carefully, they can pull out forward between a small break in the bushes. Then BLAMO!!! Revenue city! Cynicism: a mood or motivation? Carl Parker >Is this the spot, just after you come up the hill after going under Glebe, >where they have a little pull off that you can't quite see until you're >up the hill far enough, and, of course, by that point, screwed? I think the >speed limit there is 45, though most people cruise that much faster. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 19:41:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8PNfiSi002206; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:41:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8PNfiIf002199; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:41:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020925234140.39053.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DC Friday MC Parking To: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <001701c264e2$29488440$c17e5b0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii bill: i used to park here regularly when i worked downtown. the guys will keep an eye on it for you, too, if you ask 'em. only problem i encountered was as the strip fills, some of us were left with a large curb to negotiate. shouldn't be a problem for you (no lower fairing), but for sportbikers this can be a real letdown. --- "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: > It was one of those serendiptiious moments -- > > Walking by the PMI lot at 18+ L Street about 9a and saw a > couple of bikes in > the cubbyhole (to see it is to know it). Flash! This > might be an > opportune, more secure place for peace of mind MC parking > come the WB/IMF > events. Out of the way and overseeing attendant on duty. > > So I asked. $3/day for MC's. Sounded repeatable to me. > Looks limited, so > priorarrange/early probably in order. > > Remember, L St. one-way east so enter from north on 19th > or south on 20th or > further west. Its the last parking ("PMI") on right, > about 1/2 way between > 19-18 St. Enter into the alley just prior to the exiting > upramp. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > "Park" is an unnatural state. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 25 20:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8Q0rqSi002540; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:53:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8Q0rp1L002521; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:53:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <027501c264f6$9ebd1740$fa282c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <001701c264e2$29488440$c17e5b0c@micron> Subject: Re: DC Friday MC Parking Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:49:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Frankly I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I mean, it's supposed to *rain* the next two days. That'll do more to tie up traffic than a handful of protestors. Heaven knows DC cagers can tie the streets in knots all by themselves. Besides, a bike is ideally suited to squeezing through. Cops will be too busy jousting with these folks to pay attention to create lane use by motorcyclists. I say stick around and enjoy the street theater. :) At least you'll have a believable excuse for being late to work on Friday. As the MSF says for just about every hairy situation "stay loose on the bars, look where you want to go and ride through." Good advice in other aspects of life too. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:23 PM Subject: DC Friday MC Parking > It was one of those serendiptiious moments -- > > Walking by the PMI lot at 18+ L Street about 9a and saw a couple of bikes in > the cubbyhole (to see it is to know it). Flash! This might be an > opportune, more secure place for peace of mind MC parking come the WB/IMF > events. Out of the way and overseeing attendant on duty. > > So I asked. $3/day for MC's. Sounded repeatable to me. Looks limited, so > priorarrange/early probably in order. > > Remember, L St. one-way east so enter from north on 19th or south on 20th or > further west. Its the last parking ("PMI") on right, about 1/2 way between > 19-18 St. Enter into the alley just prior to the exiting upramp. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > "Park" is an unnatural state. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 00:33:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8Q4XoSi003584; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:33:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8Q4XnhS003573; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:33:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:33:40 -0400 From: Cliff Zigmond Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <007401c26515$e3de7200$6601a8c0@cliffzig> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020925133620.Q93447-100000@magoo.noid.org> > > If everyone contested every ticket, the Sand in the Gears effect would be > > quite dramatic. > > > > Paul I had my court date today for a lane-splitting infraction in DC. For an hour of my time, the fine was reduced to $25 and 0 points. Now then, since no points were incurred, what do I say next time I am shopping for insurance? Cliff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 08:43:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QChaSi006244; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:43:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QChVaK006228; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:43:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D80@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'marcwashington@XXXXXX'" Subject: Neck warmer?? Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:43:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Marc Washington instigated a fruitful thread with: " . . . my gear keeps me toasty except my neck. By the time I ride about twenty minutes my neck feels like an icicle. Any tricks or good products to help this I've tried one of those fleece neck warmers and that was ok but it still lets the wind in. Any ideas?" Arthur Silver bingoed with: "The thing to use is windstopper fleese this stuff is awesome. You can get it at REI or HTO." For the thrr-rifty, parsimonious, value seekers. * Go to G-Street Fabrics (or other) and buy a half or quarter yard of Polartec windstopper, 6 inches of Velcro, and fabric glue. Snip a 6 inch strip of the Windstopper, wrap it around your neck, and figger where you want to glue the Velcro. Glue the Velcro, clamp or weigh it down. Advertise the remainder of the materials as a "custom fitted neck warmer kit" on Ebay or to the BMW and ST lists. Bee happy. Carl in Bethesda * Visited Vanson's in Fall River a few weeks ago. My daughter brought in the Fieldsheer that we had purchased the night before at Brockton's Cycles. The manager started showing her design and construction faults. But, he concluded, "For what you paid for it, it's a good value. You know they pay the workers about 50 cents an hour in Pakistan and we suspect some of the profits went to the Taliban." Ended up going halfsies on a Vanson (glow in the dark) and returned the Fieldsheer The folks were very friendly and helpful but they talk fuh-ney. The clerk said their Spring open house is the most fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 09:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QDFQSi006440; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:15:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QDFQ94006433; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:15:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:14:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2002 13:14:19.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F5B30C0:01C2655E] >From: Cliff Zigmond >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:33:40 -0400 > [snip] >Now then, since no points were incurred, what do I say next time I am >shopping for insurance? > >Cliff Easy! Say nothing. No points, no foul... Perry _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 09:37:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QDb8Si006566; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:37:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QDb8tW006559; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:37:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 26 Sep 2002 13:37:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20020926133705.26722.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >[snip] >>Now then, since no points were incurred, what do I say next time I am >>shopping for insurance? >> >>Cliff >Easy! Say nothing. No points, no foul... [Dave] Not quite. If it's a conviction for a moving violation - that varies by state - then the insurance company, AND the police will know about it. Unless they reduced the charge to a non moving violation, it counts against your insurance (based on whatever criteria they use to inflict their financial rape of you...) Your particular category, age bracket etc.. might cut you some slack -say the 1st MV doesn't get your rates raised, or it's only a minor raise. But, if you're a 20 year old mail, get nailed for speeding 1mph over the limit, count on a couple hundred dollar / 6 month increase... YMMV Always ask for a warning from the cop, what is the worst possible thing that can happen ? he says no, you get the ticket. This tactic works best if you have no moving violations or very few. Remember, when you sign a ticket & send in the money, you are basically letting the state run roughshod over your rights. In effect, you are admitting guilt to a crime, and forfeit your right to appeal. Most imporatantly, the State gets a much wanted conviction against you without having to meet it's burden of proof. A clean record for insurance purposes is far more important, and can save you literally hundreds or thousands across 3 years (what a typical traffic violation hangs on or record for)... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 10:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QEGkSi007001; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:16:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QEGjkc006990; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:16:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767A9E24@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: OT FS: Snow tires Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:22:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cleaning stuff out. A set of 4 - 185/75 R14 Michelin Arctic-Alpin snow tires. Used one season from November to March. In good shape, and boy does Michelin know what sipes are! About 4000 miles on them in that one season run. $100 for the set Mike 96 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 10:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QEeYSi007232; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:40:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QEeXsZ007221; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:40:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.168] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: fish@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:40:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2002 14:40:26.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[A733BE00:01C2656A] Fish, Send it back. I had a 'warranty' claim with a Ballistic 3.0 jacket (the seams fell apart) and they sent me a new one no questions asked (an updated version of the jacket that seemed to have better construction). A friend had the same problem with gloves and they sent him a new pair... Paul >From: Fish Flowers >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:23:40 -0500 (CDT) > >So I've worn my JR Ballistic 3.0 pants for... about 600 miles now, and >already they're falling apart. The stitching on the pocket is coming out, >leaving a hole through which fun things like pens and keys can fall. And >the mesh over the right kneepad is fraying right at the top of the pad. > >Neither of these flaws have yet impacted the protective qualities of the >pants. Still, they're probably indicative of the general level of build >quality. > >And while I'm grumping about JR build quality, my JR Speedway gloves are >also showing signs of premature wear. The hook-and-loop portion of the >gauntlet is also losing its stitching, and beginning to come loose. > >Clearly one gets what one pays for. > >Fish. >crabby _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 10:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QEhVSi007295; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:43:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QEhTVQ007276; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:43:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:43:25 -0700 From: To: Wayne Edelen Cc: DC-Cycles Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 As a MD resident where radar detectors are legal, you could "get away" with it and thus "off the hook" for your possession. If you're a VA resident it's a different story. Even if you don't have it plugged in, they will confiscate your radar detector. You can either just pay the fine or go to court. Once it's settled, they actually have to give you back your radar detector. I tried to fight my radar detector possession charge (many, many years ago). Had all sorts of court precedent (including Virginia) that since I wasn't violating any traffic laws (speeding, illegal turn, etc.) the cop didn't have reasonable cause to pull me over. The officer confirmed that I wasn't doing anything illegal. But the judge didn't care, even acknowledging that all the court precedent I provided. Said I could take it up with a higher court if I wanted to appeal. DA was a jerk. Wasn't worth my time to fight (had already wasted enough). And the ticket wasn't for a moving violation so it didn't count against my insurance. But the radar detector law in VA is just bullshit. On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: Very true. Here is my 'Sand in the Gears' ticket fighting story - I was cruising down the Gee Dubya when I got pulled by a LEO. He walked up to my car, pointed to my V1 and indicated that it was not legal to use a radar detector in VA. I pointed out to him that it was not plugged in. He then told me it was not legal to possess a radar detector. I told him I lived in MD. He did not care and wrote me a ticket for $80 for radar detector posession. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 10:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QEnXSi007372; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:49:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QEnXCQ007364; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:49:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:49:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Drip. Drip. Drip. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good places to get cheap raingear? Fish. drip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 10:51:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QEpnSi007425; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:51:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QEpntl007418; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:51:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020926145146.20924.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. To: Paul Hutchins , fish@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii reading all of these emails, at first i thought joe rocket gear might be shit.... then i realized they must make disposable gear. kinda like those toilet wipes that are flushable because they dissolve in water. --- Paul Hutchins wrote: > Fish, > > Send it back. I had a 'warranty' claim with a Ballistic > 3.0 jacket (the > seams fell apart) and they sent me a new one no questions > asked (an updated > version of the jacket that seemed to have better > construction). A friend > had the same problem with gloves and they sent him a new > pair... > > Paul > > >From: Fish Flowers > >To: DC-Cycles > >Subject: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. > >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:23:40 -0500 (CDT) > > > >So I've worn my JR Ballistic 3.0 pants for... about 600 > miles now, and > >already they're falling apart. The stitching on the > pocket is coming out, > >leaving a hole through which fun things like pens and > keys can fall. And > >the mesh over the right kneepad is fraying right at the > top of the pad. > > > >Neither of these flaws have yet impacted the protective > qualities of the > >pants. Still, they're probably indicative of the general > level of build > >quality. > > > >And while I'm grumping about JR build quality, my JR > Speedway gloves are > >also showing signs of premature wear. The hook-and-loop > portion of the > >gauntlet is also losing its stitching, and beginning to > come loose. > > > >Clearly one gets what one pays for. > > > >Fish. > >crabby __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 10:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QExvSi007512; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:59:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QExvtn007501; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:59:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09D9D1@www.email.gmabrands.com> From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Drip. Drip. Drip. Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:56:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I bought a Triumph one piece suit from Cycle Sport for 100 bucks. You can find decent gear starting at 40 bucks and ranging up to 500+. My ex-g/f bought her rain gear from Cycles USA. Some people resort to E-bay or look at the myriad of sales at the various mail order houses. My Triumph suit has served me well. -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:49 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Drip. Drip. Drip. Good places to get cheap raingear? Fish. drip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 11:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QFBvSi007623; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:11:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QFBvX9007617; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:11:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:09:17 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drip. Drip. Drip. Message-ID: <0CD4B21A.27C90E33.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What? You of all people (Fish) don't like getting wet? ;-) I've heard good things about Frogg Toggs. But, I've never bought any raingear from them or anyone else. Scooter (Raingear? We don't need no stinkin raingear. ;-)) In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 9:49:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > Good places to get cheap raingear? > > Fish. > drip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 11:13:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QFDhSi007668; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:13:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QFDh3u007662; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:13:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:08:57 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drip. Drip. Drip. Message-ID: <5793B1D8.1C08A619.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oops...sorry. Forgot the web addy. www.froggtoggs.com. Go figure. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:09:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > What? You of all people (Fish) don't like getting wet? ;-) I've heard good things about Frogg Toggs. But, I've never bought any raingear from them or anyone else. > > Scooter (Raingear? We don't need no stinkin raingear. ;-)) > > In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 9:49:28 AM Eastern > Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Good places to get cheap raingear? > > > > Fish. > > drip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 11:14:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QFE4Si007706; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:14:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QFE3Fn007700; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:14:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:14:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Drip. Drip. Drip. In-Reply-To: <0CD4B21A.27C90E33.0C9D3659@aol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > What? You of all people (Fish) don't like getting wet? Actually, I love getting wet. I just wanna protect my overly-expensive for-yuppies-only jacket. :) 'Nother question. Rain's not gonna damage the bike's electrics at all, is it? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 11:39:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QFdRSi008050; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:39:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QFdQeO008033; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:39:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: JR Ballistic Pants: grr. Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:42:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8QFdPSi008021 yea that's the joe rocket (lack of) quality I know. On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:23:40 -0500 (CDT), Fish Flowers wrote: >So I've worn my JR Ballistic 3.0 pants for... about 600 miles now, and >already they're falling apart. The stitching on the pocket is coming out, >leaving a hole through which fun things like pens and keys can fall. And >the mesh over the right kneepad is fraying right at the top of the pad. > >Neither of these flaws have yet impacted the protective qualities of the >pants. Still, they're probably indicative of the general level of build >quality. > >And while I'm grumping about JR build quality, my JR Speedway gloves are >also showing signs of premature wear. The hook-and-loop portion of the >gauntlet is also losing its stitching, and beginning to come loose. > >Clearly one gets what one pays for. > >Fish. >crabby From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 12:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QGxeSi008693; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:59:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QGxdwZ008684; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:59:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D933E3F.DFCAE1CF@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:05:03 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Drip. Drip. Drip. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > What? You of all people (Fish) don't like getting wet? > > Actually, I love getting wet. I just wanna protect my overly-expensive > for-yuppies-only jacket. :) > > 'Nother question. Rain's not gonna damage the bike's electrics at all, is > it? > > Fish. I got a genuine Harley Davidson rain suit for $75, made in China by pre-pubescent slaves, no doubt. Water only damages British electric's, but then damp air, sunlight, and the dark of night seems to turn British electric's tits-up. I've ridden every Japanese and American bike I owned in driving rainstorms and never had an electrical problem. Only problem was a few posers down in TN who pitched a hissy-fit when they realized I had gotten my Harley *wet*. I tried to explain that was my method of washing it, wait for a good rain and haul buttski! Sometimes I even spray liquid soap on it to help the rain banish the dirt. That's kind of fun. Ride through that first huge puddle and watch the clouds of soap bubbles erupt in your wake! Hint: After a thorough wet down I spray electric cleaner or 6-56 or WD-40 into all the handlebar switches to chase excess water away. Bill - wringing out his socks... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 13:54:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QHsESi009083; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:54:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QHsETN009070; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:54:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:54:07 EDT Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/26/2002 10:43:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > He then told me it was not legal to possess a radar detector. Tell him it is not a radar detector. Make the bastard prove it. By the way I understood the law against possession of radar detectors was thrown out but that they just had not "gotten around" to removing the signs. Was it? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 14:02:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QI2OSi009334; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:02:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QI2NX1009325; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:02:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:02:20 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 AFAIK, in Virginia it's still the law. On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:54:07 EDT PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > By the way I understood the law against > possession of radar detectors was > thrown out but that they just had not "gotten > around" to removing the signs. > Was it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 14:02:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QI2aSi009371; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:02:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QI2awA009366; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:02:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 26 Sep 2002 18:02:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20020926180235.22714.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: radar detectors ; was Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >By the way I understood the law against possession of radar detectors was >thrown out but that they just had not "gotten around" to removing the signs. [Dave] In Connecticut. In VA, possession is perfectly legal, and you can have one in your vehicle secured in a glove box w/o access to power. USE is illegal in VA. It is my understanding that they are not confiscating detectors anymore... The number of people I know that thumb their nose at this law, with detectors suction cup mounted to their windshields in plain sight is staggering... HTH, YMMV Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 14:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QImASi009925; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:48:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QIm9Pl009916; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:48:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9357AF.29704C64@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:53:35 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Tell him it is not a radar detector. Make the bastard prove it. > > By the way I understood the law against possession of radar detectors was > thrown out but that they just had not "gotten around" to removing the signs. > Was it? > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX I believe confiscation of the detector was tossed. Which brings up a problem, if they don't take it can they stop you 5 miles down the road and write you up again? How about a sensible law, like dragging an anchor while in the left lanes gets you busted for a variety of crimes including crimes against nature (soliciting sodomy with inanimate objects AKA car sex). Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 14:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QIpKSi009981; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:51:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QIpKgA009974; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:51:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020926185114.65890.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:51:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, Wayne Edelen Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if he saw you in possession of contraband, he had reasonable suspicion to pull you over. va. resident or not, the signs are clear: "radar detectors illegal." lock it in the glove box or trunk to avoid trouble under the commonwealth's (as you so eloquently put it) "bullshit" law. --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > As a MD resident where radar detectors are legal, you > could "get away" with it > and thus "off the hook" for your possession. If you're a > VA resident it's a > different story. Even if you don't have it plugged in, > they will confiscate > your radar detector. You can either just pay the fine or > go to court. Once > it's settled, they actually have to give you back your > radar detector. I > tried to fight my radar detector possession charge (many, > many years ago). > Had all sorts of court precedent (including Virginia) > that since I wasn't > violating any traffic laws (speeding, illegal turn, etc.) > the cop didn't have > reasonable cause to pull me over. The officer confirmed > that I wasn't doing > anything illegal. But the judge didn't care, even > acknowledging that all the > court precedent I provided. Said I could take it up with > a higher court if I > wanted to appeal. DA was a jerk. Wasn't worth my time > to fight (had already > wasted enough). And the ticket wasn't for a moving > violation so it didn't > count against my insurance. But the radar detector law > in VA is just > bullshit. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 15:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QJb6Si010351; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:37:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QJb5iO010337; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:37:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:38:57 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drip. Drip. Drip. Message-ID: <573E82AC.4AD2085D.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jacket-schmacket. Mine gets wet, dries and is fine. I just make sure I wear dark clothes underneath when it's expected to rain. I've had one too many white t-shirts turn red, black, etc. from the new dye job. :-O And nope. Rain won't affect it. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > What? You of all people (Fish) don't like getting wet? > > Actually, I love getting wet. I just wanna protect my overly-expensive > for-yuppies-only jacket. :) > > 'Nother question. Rain's not gonna damage the bike's > electrics at all, is > it? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 15:57:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QJvHSi010507; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:57:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QJvHaC010499; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:57:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020926195714.44837.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Re: Reckless... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200209252300.g8PN00h9001654@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wayne wrote... On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Paul wrote: >> If everyone contested every ticket, the Sand in the >> Gears effect would be quite dramatic. >> >> Paul > Very true. Here is my 'Sand in the Gears' ticket > fighting story - ...Helper comes back, signs my > paperwork and I'm free to go :-) > > I recently got a ticket for 82 in a 55. I went to > court and got it reduced to 64 in a 55 which was > only a single point violation. ... > > In both instances, we were guilty of speeding but > got the penalty reduced/eliminated just for showing > up to court. > I'm glad it has worked out for you. It doesn't always work that way. Different counties in VA can do things very differently. Sometimes there is no talking to anyone beforehand. Sometimes the cop lies. Sometimes they take your license away. I would advise anyone going to court to get a lawyer. Really. They do the court thing all day everyday. They should know what they are doing (at least better than the rookie defendant). If you want to fight it yourself to save a little money, think about all that money that will be going down the insurance drain if you lose. Sometimes it ain't that pretty at all. Rich __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 16:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QK1VSi010576; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:01:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QK1VJS010571; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:01:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECF00@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reckless... Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:02:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had a lawyer once. He got the fine dropped. He charged me 4 times the fine. I've gone several times by myself always had the charge dropped. I'm not saying all lawyers suck, but this one did. The book "A Speeders Guide to Avoiding Tickets" deals a lot w/ what to do/say in court. It costs a lot less than a lawyer. Rich (the other one) '94 Seca II -----Original Message----- From: Scratch [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless... I'm glad it has worked out for you. It doesn't always work that way. Different counties in VA can do things very differently. Sometimes there is no talking to anyone beforehand. Sometimes the cop lies. Sometimes they take your license away. I would advise anyone going to court to get a lawyer. Really. They do the court thing all day everyday. They should know what they are doing (at least better than the rookie defendant). If you want to fight it yourself to save a little money, think about all that money that will be going down the insurance drain if you lose. Sometimes it ain't that pretty at all. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 16:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QKFdSi010682; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:15:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QKFdiJ010674; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:15:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reckless... In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECF00@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I had a lawyer once. He got the fine dropped. He charged me 4 times the > fine. > I've gone several times by myself always had the charge dropped. It all depends on the court. I've gotten out of plenty by showing up and having a nice chat with the DA or his assistants. I thought I was getting good at it and then showed up to some court in the sticks of VA, think it was Ashland or Hanover or somewhere, judge was hangin anyone without a lawyer. The people with lawyers were all walking. Depends on the case but it never hurts to show up and sit in before its your time and see what's going on and who a good lawyer is. And wearing something decent never hurts either, I'm always amazed at the crap people show up wearing in court. I've seen some that have been told to go home and change. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 16:20:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QKK6Si010741; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:20:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QKK5G3010735; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:20:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020926161901.021f13c8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:19:57 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , cvkgpena@XXXXXX, Wayne Edelen From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020926185114.65890.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:51 AM 9/26/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >if he saw you in possession of contraband, he had >reasonable suspicion to pull you over. > >va. resident or not, the signs are clear: "radar detectors >illegal." lock it in the glove box or trunk to avoid >trouble under the commonwealth's (as you so eloquently put >it) "bullshit" law. The signs are confusing. Depending on where you cross the state line, some signs say "Radar Detectors Illegal", while others say "USE of radar detectors illegal". From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 16:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QKLDSi010789; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:21:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QKLD8d010784; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:21:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECF0B@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reckless... Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:22:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've dealt mostly w/ Fairfax, a little w/ Blacksburg, and once w/ Stafford. In Stafford they started off by saying if you were caught speeding and want to go to traffic school to have it dropped please line up here. That was about 5 years ago. I got traffic school for my last offense in Fairfax (about a year ago) and my instructor informed me I was very lucky. -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:20 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Reckless... It all depends on the court. I've gotten out of plenty by showing up and having a nice chat with the DA or his assistants. I thought I was getting good at it and then showed up to some court in the sticks of VA, think it was Ashland or Hanover or somewhere, judge was hangin anyone without a lawyer. The people with lawyers were all walking. Depends on the case but it never hurts to show up and sit in before its your time and see what's going on and who a good lawyer is. And wearing something decent never hurts either, I'm always amazed at the crap people show up wearing in court. I've seen some that have been told to go home and change. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 16:31:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QKV5Si010886; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:31:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QKV5h3010877; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:31:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020926203102.82964.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Reckless... To: Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECF00@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rich Hall wrote: > I had a lawyer once. He got the fine dropped. He > charged me 4 times the > fine. > I've gone several times by myself always had the charge > dropped. > I'm not saying all lawyers suck, but this one did. it ain't our fault. the rules of professional responsibility prohibit the use of contingent fees in criminal matters. either be prepared to pay for the lawyers's time and energy (hourly or flat), regardless of the result, or go alone. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 16:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QKcLSi010981; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:38:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QKcK0b010970; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:38:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020926203818.92936.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Reckless... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dan@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dan wrote... > It all depends on the court...I thought I was getting > good at it and then showed up to some court in the > sticks of VA, think it was Ashland or Hanover or > somewhere, judge was hangin anyone without a > lawyer. Could it have been Bowling Green? Rich __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 17:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QLG4Si011237; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:16:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QLG4UX011228; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:16:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECF24@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Loundoun NVCC Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:17:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is anybody taking or teaching any classes at the Loudoun NVCC campus this weekend? I'll be there Sunday taking the advanced rider course. Rich '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 17:22:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QLMFSi011317; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:22:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QLMFL1011310; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:22:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Rich Hall cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Loundoun NVCC In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECF24@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That's the same day as the SBN stunt day, you should ditch and go stunt instead. Dan > I'll be there Sunday taking the advanced rider course. > Rich > '94 Seca II > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 17:23:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QLNUSi011363; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:23:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QLNTN0011354; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:23:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECF27@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Loundoun NVCC (SBN Stunt Day) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:24:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Where would one find such an event? -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:27 PM To: Rich Hall Cc: 'DCCycles' Subject: Re: Loundoun NVCC That's the same day as the SBN stunt day From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 17:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QLYISi011453; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:34:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QLYHxf011445; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:34:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Loundoun NVCC (SBN Stunt Day) In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECF27@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Where would one find such an event? > At an undisclosed location. Word is you meet at the cineplex, and go to the "Top Secret" location. I dunno, I'm stayin clear of it. Last weekend's police hassles @ 211 were enough thrill for me. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 17:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QLfNSi011539; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:41:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QLfNZi011525; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:41:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.55.28.211] From: "Jay Block" To: md.abate@XXXXXX, alexis661@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, alucentehoffmann@XXXXXX, andrewd@XXXXXX, bbasel@XXXXXX, bettyboopbear@XXXXXX, bettyhdstore@XXXXXX, bikerdan@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX, BobJustice@XXXXXX, bussep@XXXXXX, cacollin@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Hogadams@XXXXXX, hwhay@XXXXXX, Jmgarrity@XXXXXX, Jumpstart301@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, mainheatac@XXXXXX, MGVLAHOS@XXXXXX, m-riders@XXXXXX, mrsbaz@XXXXXX, philip.l.kraft@XXXXXX, ci37290@XXXXXX, michellecr@XXXXXX, psycoward@XXXXXX, rdix@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, rflunn@XXXXXX, ride2live2die@XXXXXX, Salliewest@XXXXXX, Sborzymowski@XXXXXX, scootertramp@XXXXXX, shooter6420@XXXXXX, skaskie712@XXXXXX, squid126@XXXXXX, suljustdad@XXXXXX, susan.adams@XXXXXX, tlheintz3@XXXXXX, tunafox44@XXXXXX, WENDYROCKS@XXXXXX, wisennock@XXXXXX, wmcrum@XXXXXX Subject: HELP, HELP, HELP! Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:41:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2002 21:41:14.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[70442AC0:01C265A5] ...and in case you don't read Subject lines: Help! Saturday, October 5th is the day scheduled for the raffle drawing for the Dick Gelfman Ride Across Maryland Corvette. It will be at the Race for the Cure at the (name to be determined) Raven Stadium. We need VOLUNTEERS to help sell the last of the raffle tickets. This is a way early event. We are meeting at 6AM at Lot C of the Stadium (earlier if you want the best parking) and we will be done about 9-ish so you will be able to still make whatever motorcycle event you have planned for the day. Volunteers get RideXMd t-shirts. If size matters, definitely get there early. This is very important. Dick is still home and non-mobile so he needs us to spread the word (and the raffle tickets) for him. PLEASE HELP US TO HELP HIM...AND THE SUSAN G. KOMEN BREAST CANCER FOUNDATION AS WELL. Remember, proceeds go the help the research that could save lives of the ones you care about. Please contact Sharon at "sista@XXXXXX" and let her know you are coming. She has the details. Or you can try me at "jayblockllc@hotmail". I won't have the answers but I love getting email. Also, please copy and forward this to as many as you can. Numbers are very important that morning. Thanks, Jay _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 18:23:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QMNLSi011742; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:23:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QMNLEI011734; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:23:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:22:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2002 22:22:14.0805 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A958450:01C265AB] "The art of proficient MCing" talks about this... it's not a matter what will keep you alive. It's a matter of what reduces injury. Body and head strikes on the pavement have been worked up into percentages. I think it's something like 73% off head strikes occur on the right jaw/cheek area. Check out HURT report it may also talk about this. Hey if the accident is catostrohic enough...a helmet is just a decoration. Riders who think that donning a helmet is going to make them invincable are stupid. I've been hit with enough rocks thrown up be trucks to realize that a full face will keep me conscience. I'm not betting it will keep me alive after a cage takes a left in front of me... but it might be the difference between a closed casket and an open casket funeral. >I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that if there are accident studies of >helmets, full face helmets are exponentially safer in preventing >injuries to the myriad of types of accidents. i can't accept >reconstructing my face. I would strong consider giving up riding >before I would continually commute and ride without a full face >helmet. Without some kind of unarguable research, one cannot convince >me that wearing lesss than a full face helmet might be safer. Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 19:58:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8QNwrSi012809; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:58:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8QNwqvi012793; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:58:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D93A083.CBB09DF7@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:04:19 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: cracked fairing on your scoot? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, I picked up a ravaged Harley Road Glide fairing on Ebay only to discover that Harley has gone modern! No more heavy fiberglass fairings, this thing is made out of your basic Japanese style Tupperware. Hmm.. my selection of epoxys and wierd glues are going to come up short. A challange to fix! A little research, a phone call, and today the nice UPS man dropped of the motorcycle fairing repair from hell. Well, not actually hell - Alabama. Even has a short vid tape showing Joe Bob using the heat softened mold bar to reproduce a broken off and missing mounting tab. "Now this here shot's gonna be in sloooww motion." Oh, slower than your drawl maybe? Be a couple weeks before I have time to test the stuff, too many projects of higher priority, so sez SWMBO. A product report will be forthcoming, not to mention the Kit From Hell.. er.. Alabama has enough stuff in it to fix a truckload of busted plastic parts. Not that anyone on this list has ever broken plastic on their scoot, whiz-bang riders that we are. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 20:10:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8R0AoSi012915; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:10:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8R0AnuT012902; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:10:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002901c265ba$4ddd8200$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Drip. Drip. Drip. Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:09:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cycles USA in Rockville has some good prices on rain gear, had to get some today. They have quite a nice inventory now, just in time. Scott 1984 Honda Nighthawk CB700SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Drip. Drip. Drip. > Good places to get cheap raingear? > > Fish. > drip > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 20:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8R0EWSi012955; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:14:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8R0EW2g012949; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:14:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: DC MC parking at 18th & L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:14:30 -0400 Message-ID: <237D170A1FAF574F86C0F3FC2D6D667B012B1E@monroe.dc.Blackboard.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DC MC parking at 18th & L Thread-Index: AcJlutkVO9H/jxKtQwOvkMPryg9oXg== From: "Maura Keaney" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2002 00:14:30.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9854EF0:01C265BA] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8R0EVSi012936 I second Todd's comment that the PMI garage at 18th and L is a good place to park, but do get there early. On a rainy day it shouldn't be so bad, but if you're one of the last to arrive, it's a high curb to mount with little space for mistakes. I work across the street and park there a few times a week - never had any problems except the one and only time I've ever dropped my bike: walking my bike backwards down off the curb after forgetting to put up my kickstand! I deserved the huge bruise on my shin on principle for that oversight. One caution though - don't leave the bike there after the garage closes at 10, unless you're just sitting in the outdoor seating area of Mackey's across the street and can keep an eye over there yourself. Though technically you can leave the bike there all night and get it out with no problem after the garage itself closes (since the MC area is outside) there have been a number of MC and scooter thefts from there at night, including the theft of my coworker's beloved orange Kozmo scooter. ;-) He upgraded to an Aprilia scooter after the theft, though, so perhaps it's not all bad. Hey, speaking of DC motorcycles and the protests tomorrow -- on 20th and Pennsylvania and 20th and G or F there were more than 30 Honda Rebels marked Police parked along the street this morning. Are DC cops outfitted with Rebels, not Harleys?!? They seemed kinda pitiful looking as a fleet! Maura --- "Mobacc (now @ATT)" wrote: > It was one of those serendiptiious moments -- > > Walking by the PMI lot at 18+ L Street about 9a and saw a > couple of bikes in > the cubbyhole (to see it is to know it). Flash! This > might be an > opportune, more secure place for peace of mind MC parking > come the WB/IMF > events. Out of the way and overseeing attendant on duty. > > So I asked. $3/day for MC's. Sounded repeatable to me. > Looks limited, so > priorarrange/early probably in order. > > Remember, L St. one-way east so enter from north on 19th > or south on 20th or > further west. Its the last parking ("PMI") on right, > about 1/2 way between > 19-18 St. Enter into the alley just prior to the exiting > upramp. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > "Park" is an unnatural state. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 20:30:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8R0UqSi013075; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:30:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8R0Up13013067; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:30:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <20020926185114.65890.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII regarding radar detectors... the code of Virginia is very clear... http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1079 quotes from the code... A. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth when such vehicle is equipped with any device or mechanism, passive or active, to detect or purposefully interfere with or diminish the measurement capabilities of any radar, laser, or other device or mechanism employed by law-enforcement personnel to measure the speed of motor vehicles on the highways of the Commonwealth for law-enforcement purposes. This section shall not be construed to authorize the forfeiture to the Commonwealth of any such device or mechanism. Any such device or mechanism may be taken by the arresting officer if needed as evidence, and, when no longer needed, shall be returned to the person charged with a violation of this section, or at that person's request, and his expense, mailed to an address specified by him. Any unclaimed devices may be destroyed on court order after six months have elapsed from the final date for filing an appeal. Except as provided in subsection B of this section, the presence of any such prohibited device or mechanism in or on a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth shall constitute prima facie evidence of the violation of this section. The Commonwealth need not prove that the device or mechanism in question was in an operative condition or being operated. B. A person shall not be guilty of a violation of this section when the device or mechanism in question, at the time of the alleged offense, had no power source and was not readily accessible for use by the driver or any passenger in the vehicle. D. No demerit points shall be awarded by the Commissioner for violations of this section. Any demerit points awarded by the Commissioner prior to July 1, 1992, for any violation of this section shall be rescinded and the driving record of any person awarded demerit points for a violation of this section shall be amended to reflect such rescission. so.... you can have one in your possession, as long as it is not readily usable the officer may take said unit until your court date... then they have to give it back (at your cost) you wont get any points for being convicted of this offense -jd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 21:10:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8R1ARSi013306; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:10:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8R1AOEa013287; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:10:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <20020926185114.65890.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020926180238.A11125-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > if he saw you in possession of contraband, he had > reasonable suspicion to pull you over. > > va. resident or not, the signs are clear: "radar detectors > illegal." lock it in the glove box or trunk to avoid > trouble under the commonwealth's (as you so eloquently put > it) "bullshit" law. I put it in the glove box now. Not worth the hassle. BTW, why is it that the list admin can't (won't?) configure the list software to default to reply-to the list? Seems like everyone just does a reply all, causing people to get multiple copies of the same messages. I don't mind trimming the headers, but 90% of the peeps on the list are too lazy to do the same. I won't even mention the lack of snippage :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 21:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8R1dWSi013513; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:39:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8R1dVD8013502; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:39:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020927013924.34360.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:39:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Setting to reply to list, was Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020926180238.A11125-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > BTW, why is it that the list admin can't (won't?) configure the list > software to default to reply-to the list? Seems like everyone just does > a reply all, causing people to get multiple copies of the same messages. > I don't mind trimming the headers, but 90% of the peeps on the list are > too lazy to do the same. I won't even mention the lack of snippage :-) This can be a dangerous thing to do. I'm on a list for motorcycle instructors, and it was set up as you described. During one holiday weekend (Memorial Day or Labor Day if memory serves right) someone sent in a question. Two people who were on vacation set up auto-repliers on their system, basically "Joe Smuck is out of the office, please call his assistant Sally Blome at xxxx for help." The two auto-repliers sent the replies back to the full list, then started replying to each other, sending back to the list, and replying to others, etc. I have 20 MB memory in my e-mail account, and it was just about full when I logged in. I deleted everything, and got like 500 new messages the next hour. Then someone sent a message saying "Why doesn't the administrator do something??" and THAT message started a whole new bounce cycle to accompany the original one. I switched to "Read on web only" mode to watch the fun. Finally I e-mailed the tech support for the group (Topica Groups) and asked them to kill the messages until the moderator logged in. Thankfully they seemed to have someone on staff who shut it off soon afterwards. Seems like half the members unsubscribed, and some still refuse to join the list again. (a second round happened about 6 months afterwards which scared off more people) I think it could be pretty simple to write a routine that would recognize that the same e-mail address is sending more than, say, 10 messages in one hour, so lock that account out until it is checked out. But if it isn't there, watch out! Harry is a staff of one. I doubt he'd appreciate the mess. My opinion only though. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 21:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8R1ljSi013595; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:47:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8R1lj5c013582; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:47:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Setting to reply to list, was Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <20020927013924.34360.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020926183926.Y11125-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > This can be a dangerous thing to do. I'm on a list for motorcycle instructors, > and it was set up as you described. During one holiday weekend (Memorial Day > or Labor Day if memory serves right) someone sent in a question. Two people > who were on vacation set up auto-repliers on their system, basically "Joe Smuck > is out of the office, please call his assistant Sally Blome at xxxx for help." It's pretty simple to disable the offenders account. I admin other car lists and we ban people permanently if they use auto responders on the lists. It's in the list rules they should have read when they joined the list. :-) > Harry is a staff of one. I doubt he'd appreciate the mess. My opinion only > though. I admin and moderate other lists. I appreciate the work that goes into it. The list is only as good as the list participants and I was only offering a suggestion. If it creates more work for Harry, I'd be more than happy to assist in any way to help his workload for the list. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 22:34:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8R2YESi013861; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:34:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8R2YEwR013849; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:34:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless... Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:37:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ECF00@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8R2YCSi013832 >what's going on and who a good lawyer is. And wearing something decent >never hurts either, I'm always amazed at the crap people show up wearing >in court. I've seen some that have been told to go home and change. I never knew justice was so fashion conscious. I always thought justice was supposed to be blind. I find it an insult to the justice system that judges look at a persons clothing instead of listening to a person's plea. how fair can such a judge be? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 22:34:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8R2YxSi013891; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:34:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8R2Yx3X013885; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:34:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:37:36 -0400 Subject: Gas Tank painting From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2002 02:34:57.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[780C5E20:01C265CE] I noticed the other day, I have a dent in my gas tank that is starting to rust. I have a custom paint job on my bike and was wondering if any one new a good place in DC or Northern VA that could repair the rust spot and do a good job matching the existing paint. I wasn't especially happy with the original place I got it painted so I wanted to try and find someplace new. -Rich Yellow 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 26 23:41:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8R3fPSi014209; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:41:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8R3fOTn014200; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:41:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17b.f4baa1a.2ac52d58@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:41:12 EDT Subject: Re: Reckless... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 dan states: >what's going on and who a good lawyer is. And wearing something decent >never hurts either, I'm always amazed at the crap people show up wearing >in court. I've seen some that have been told to go home and change. danny babbles on: I never knew justice was so fashion conscious. I always thought justice was supposed to be blind. I find it an insult to the justice system that judges look at a persons clothing instead of listening to a person's plea. how fair can such a judge be? jenn's thoughts: danny --- how about you do a test. drive past a cop at 150mph in a 25 zone two times with intentions of receiving fines both times. fight it one in a quality suit and one in cut-off shorts, tang top, and a baseball cap. a courtroom is very formal much like the atmosphere of CEO business meetings. its not about being fashion concious but it's about respect. when applying for jobs, its recommended that you dress similar or a bit above the atmosphere of the place of desired employment. when attending a formal event, formalwear is expected. when you're going out to wash your m/c, you wear something that you dont mind getting wet and/or dirty. there's appropriate attire for everything -- sure i can get away with wearing my sleeppants and a tshirt to walmart. if its at 5pm when well dressed professionals are running errands after work, i might be comfy but i will probably look out of place. if i go in the same outfit at 11pm to the same walmart it will probably be different. if you go to a courtroom to fight a ticket, id recommend wearing your suit (or something of the sort), fit in with the atmosphere. make any effort possible to have the fine decreased and points reduced. if you want to wear your old clothes, IMO, it doesnt appear that you are making every effort possible and the outcome might not go so well. so danny -- let us know how the test goes! my thoughts for ya :) jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 06:25:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RAPsSi016592; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:25:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RAPr8e016576; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:25:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020927102551.62921.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Wayne Edelen , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020926180238.A11125-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii it's set up this way because there are people on digest mode.... push the delete button. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > BTW, why is it that the list admin can't (won't?) > configure the list > software to default to reply-to the list? Seems like > everyone just does > a reply all, causing people to get multiple copies of the > same messages. > I don't mind trimming the headers, but 90% of the peeps > on the list are > too lazy to do the same. I won't even mention the lack > of snippage :-) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 06:42:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RAgJSi016683; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:42:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RAgJ5Y016676; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:42:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:42:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Reckless... In-Reply-To: <17b.f4baa1a.2ac52d58@aol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > danny --- how about you do a test. drive past a cop at 150mph in a 25 > zone two times with intentions of receiving fines both times. Likely he wouldn't get a second chance, unless he's interested in expanding your experiment to include a fine for driving with a suspended license... > sure i can get away with wearing my sleeppants and a tshirt to > walmart. if its at 5pm when well dressed professionals are running > errands after work, i might be comfy but i will probably look out of > place. In *WalMart*? In your jammies, you're probably better dressed than most people I've seen in the WalMarts I've been to. Somehow I don't think WalMart is really the place to compare different views of sartorial splendour. Now K-Mart, *there's* a classy place. They have standards, they does. They'll just throw you on out if you ain't wearing the right outfit. Yes'm, iff'n youse is wearin' wunna them fancy-pants suits o' yours, you might jest meet up with ol' Jeb, here, and Jeb, he don't like strangers none. Don't let The Man get you down, Danny. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 07:28:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RBS4Si016905; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:28:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RBS3jC016891; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:28:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:27:50 EDT Subject: Re: Invincibility To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/26/2002 6:23:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > Hey if the accident is catostrohic enough...a helmet is just a decoration. > Riders who think that donning a helmet is going to make them invincable are > stupid. A very good point. Just because the report says a rider dies of head injuries does not mean he/she would have survived if they were wearing a helmet. There are lots of other things broken in an accident that can cause death. A head injury may just be the most obvious and as a result listed as cause of death, ignoring the rib through the heart. People die every day "wearing" a car, and that is a lot more "gear" then even the most dedicated of us wear. Ride paranoid. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 07:37:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RBbhSi016980; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:37:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RBbhAZ016969; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:37:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <154.14d88f4f.2ac59cfe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:37:34 EDT Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/26/2002 8:31:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jdonovan@XXXXXX writes: > regarding radar detectors... the code of Virginia is very clear... I never questioned the existence of the law. But it was my understanding that it had been thrown out in court challenges. That would not remove the law from the book (I assume) but would kill it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 07:43:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RBh4Si017034; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:43:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RBh3Ae017026; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:43:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a7.9398787.2ac59e3b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:42:51 EDT Subject: Re: Setting to reply to list, was Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Park... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/26/2002 9:40:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: > I have 20 MB memory in my e-mail account, and it was just about full when I > logged in. I still refer to that as the "night of 1,000 e-mails" My server cut it off at 1,000, it was a royal pain in the ass. Had one hell of a hard time re-subbing the list. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 07:45:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RBjSSi017079; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:45:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RBjSIl017070; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:45:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <42.2e216ed3.2ac59ed3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:45:23 EDT Subject: Re: Reckless... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 9/26/2002 10:34:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > how fair can such a judge be? Fair? FAIR??? Hee Hee Ho Ho Whoooooooo! Damn I just spit coffee all over my screen. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 08:01:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RC1KSi017188; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:01:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RC1Jif017180; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:01:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200209271201.g8RC1Ie13731@kiri.meretrix.com> To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:06:02 PDT." <20020926180238.A11125-100000@XXXXXX> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <13729.1033128078.1@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:01:18 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX >BTW, why is it that the list admin can't (won't?) configure the list >software to default to reply-to the list? The list admin (over-opinionated a-hole that he is) doesn't think email lists should use 'Reply-To:'. The problem is mainly that when people try to send private replies (often a good thing), they can inadvertently end up sending the response to the entire list, which might be a nuisance or it might be terribly embarrassing (e.g. "... Please don't tell anyone, but I must confess I share your fondness for Enrique Iglesias!"). This isn't how email "normally" works, so people can get thrown and do the wrong thing. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 08:03:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RC3YSi017246; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:03:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RC3XCC017231; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:03:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020927120330.38333.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Reckless... To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <42.2e216ed3.2ac59ed3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii it would help if you told (some of) us why that is funny --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/26/2002 10:34:26 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > > > how fair can such a judge be? > > Fair? FAIR??? > > Hee Hee Ho Ho Whoooooooo! > Damn I just spit coffee all over my screen. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 09:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RD6tSi017568; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:06:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RD6nO1017549; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:06:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514D9B@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Drip. Drip. Drip Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:06:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Fish Flowers alleged, "Actually, I love getting wet. I just wanna protect my overly-expensive for-yuppies-only jacket. :)" For those still in denial (without an Aerostich) the rana raingear is available here: http://www.dnkmotorcycle.com/frog.htm $60 ain't bad. "'Nother question. Rain's not gonna damage the bike's electrics at all, is it?" Well, my 1980 GS 450 E (yer GS 500's pappy) made it thru ~45,000 miles of DC all-weather commuting before any electrical troubles. Then the regulator went south. A year or so later the igniter figgered I should ride a thumper. Finally at 61K, the second igniter box went on the fritz and I put her out to pasture (free for the asking). Both of the bits that fritzed, were well potted and should work submerged. Ergo, I don't think it was water. Like Bill said, Water Dispersant - 40 is a Good Thing. Another Good Thing for those who ride in all kind of weather is Boeshield T-9 http://www.boeshield.com/StartPage.htm It's pricey but, I'm still on my second can. Every Fall, I open stuff up, clean contacts, and spritz with ArmorAll and Boeshield as needed. Spritz all exposed metal with Boeshield. Lube cables, pivot points, and the speedo (SabMag mechanical speedos howl below 30F unless you've spritzed some WD-40 in the works before Xmas) Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 09:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RDwvSi017848; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:58:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RDwv0n017840; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:58:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020927135855.47674.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Reckless... To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >what's going on and who a good lawyer is. And wearing > something decent > >never hurts either, I'm always amazed at the crap people > show up wearing > >in court. I've seen some that have been told to go home > and change. > > I never knew justice was so fashion conscious. I always > thought > justice was supposed to be blind. I find it an insult > to the justice > system that judges look at a persons clothing instead of > listening to > a person's plea. how fair can such a judge be? danny, come on. judges can multi-task just like the rest of us. they observe the demeanor and appearance of the defendant (actually, all parties, witnesses and attorneys too) while at the same time listening to the merits of the claim. they expect respect because they (most of 'em) have earned it. most of these guys are/were top-notch trial attorneys, with reputations for having endless knowledge of evidentiary, constitutional, etc. law. treating a day in court (where freedom and other valuable things are at stake) with the same level of care as taking a trip to the beach is a sign of ignorance and/or disrespect. nobody said a tuxedo was necessary. but a shower and a clean shirt (preferably with sleeves) isn't too much to ask when serious things (points, insurance rates, money, freedom, etc.) are at stake. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 10:15:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8REFtSi018086; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:15:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8REFsAs018067; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:15:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D946959.65473059@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:21:13 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Setting to reply to list, was Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Park... References: <1a7.9398787.2ac59e3b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/26/2002 9:40:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: > > > I have 20 MB memory in my e-mail account, and it was just about full when I > > logged in. > > I still refer to that as the "night of 1,000 e-mails" My server cut it off at > 1,000, it was a royal pain in the ass. Had one hell of a hard time re-subbing > the list. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Hmmm... I do recall my netscape crashing and doing weird stuff with the inbox. About a week ago during a reboot the missing messages returned, but the pile was previously read messages and not a ton of duplicates. Was this on the VRTP list? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 10:20:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8REKXSi018146; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:20:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8REKX6S018139; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:20:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:25:15 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Motor PsychoL Danny cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I never knew justice was so fashion conscious. I always thought > justice was supposed to be blind. I find it an insult to the justice > system that judges look at a persons clothing instead of listening to > a person's plea. how fair can such a judge be? > Danny, You have to be really naive or trolling. In this world you can play by the rules or spend the rest of your life spinning your wheels. Wanna change the rules? Have at. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 10:35:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8REZcSi018289; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:35:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8REZc3t018281; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:35:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.196.166.196] From: "Jay Block" To: jayblockllc@XXXXXX, md.abate@XXXXXX, alexis661@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, alucentehoffmann@XXXXXX, andrewd@XXXXXX, bbasel@XXXXXX, bettyboopbear@XXXXXX, bettyhdstore@XXXXXX, bikerdan@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX, BobJustice@XXXXXX, bussep@XXXXXX, cacollin@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Hogadams@XXXXXX, hwhay@XXXXXX, Jmgarrity@XXXXXX, Jumpstart301@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, mainheatac@XXXXXX, MGVLAHOS@XXXXXX, m-riders@XXXXXX, mrsbaz@XXXXXX, philip.l.kraft@XXXXXX, ci37290@XXXXXX, michellecr@XXXXXX, psycoward@XXXXXX, rdix@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, rflunn@XXXXXX, ride2live2die@XXXXXX, Salliewest@XXXXXX, Sborzymowski@XXXXXX, scootertramp@XXXXXX, shooter6420@XXXXXX, skaskie712@XXXXXX, squid126@XXXXXX, suljustdad@XXXXXX, susan.adams@XXXXXX, tlheintz3@XXXXXX, tunafox44@XXXXXX, WENDYROCKS@XXXXXX, wisennock@XXXXXX, wmcrum@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HELP, HELP, HELP! Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:35:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2002 14:35:27.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F876F50:01C26633] Sorry, my full address (in case you can't read the header) is: jayblockllc@XXXXXX. Jay From: "Jay Block" To: md.abate@XXXXXX, alexis661@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, alucentehoffmann@XXXXXX, andrewd@XXXXXX, bbasel@XXXXXX, bettyboopbear@XXXXXX, bettyhdstore@XXXXXX, bikerdan@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX, BobJustice@XXXXXX, bussep@XXXXXX, cacollin@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Hogadams@XXXXXX, hwhay@XXXXXX, Jmgarrity@XXXXXX, Jumpstart301@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, mainheatac@XXXXXX, MGVLAHOS@XXXXXX, m-riders@XXXXXX, mrsbaz@XXXXXX, philip.l.kraft@XXXXXX, ci37290@XXXXXX, michellecr@XXXXXX, psycoward@XXXXXX, rdix@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, rflunn@XXXXXX, ride2live2die@XXXXXX, Salliewest@XXXXXX, Sborzymowski@XXXXXX, scootertramp@XXXXXX, shooter6420@XXXXXX, skaskie712@XXXXXX, squid126@XXXXXX, suljustdad@XXXXXX, susan.adams@XXXXXX, tlheintz3@XXXXXX, tunafox44@XXXXXX, WENDYROCKS@XXXXXX, wisennock@XXXXXX, wmcrum@XXXXXX Subject: HELP, HELP, HELP! Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:41:09 -0400 ...and in case you don't read Subject lines: Help! Saturday, October 5th is the day scheduled for the raffle drawing for the Dick Gelfman Ride Across Maryland Corvette. It will be at the Race for the Cure at the (name to be determined) Raven Stadium. We need VOLUNTEERS to help sell the last of the raffle tickets. This is a way early event. We are meeting at 6AM at Lot C of the Stadium (earlier if you want the best parking) and we will be done about 9-ish so you will be able to still make whatever motorcycle event you have planned for the day. Volunteers get RideXMd t-shirts. If size matters, definitely get there early. This is very important. Dick is still home and non-mobile so he needs us to spread the word (and the raffle tickets) for him. PLEASE HELP US TO HELP HIM...AND THE SUSAN G. KOMEN BREAST CANCER FOUNDATION AS WELL. Remember, proceeds go the help the research that could save lives of the ones you care about. Please contact Sharon at "sista@XXXXXX" and let her know you are coming. She has the details. Or you can try me at "jayblockllc@hotmail". I won't have the answers but I love getting email. Also, please copy and forward this to as many as you can. Numbers are very important that morning. Thanks, Jay _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 10:48:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8REmVSi018444; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:48:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8REmUUV018433; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:48:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Reckless... Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:46:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well for starters, someone who shows up for court wearing grease-stained sweats is demonstrating disrespect for the court and its proceedings. Do you think someone accused of a traffic violation (flouting the rules of the road) is going to help his case by flouting the conventions of dress in the courtroom? You may consider it silly, stuffy or prudish, but it's really just common sense. Besides, how would you feel about the quality of justice being dispensed if the judge showed up in a t-shirt, running shorts and sandals? Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Reckless... > > I never knew justice was so fashion conscious. I always thought > > justice was supposed to be blind. I find it an insult to the justice > > system that judges look at a persons clothing instead of listening to > > a person's plea. how fair can such a judge be? > > > > Danny, > > You have to be really naive or trolling. In this world you can > play by the rules or spend the rest of your life spinning your wheels. > Wanna change the rules? Have at. > > Dan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 10:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RErpSi018536; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:53:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RErp3j018528; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:53:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Parking Near Union Station Message-ID: <20020927105037.P56052-100000@min.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone know of good, safe MC parking around the intersection of Mass Ave and F street, near Union Station? Thanks, -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 12:34:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RGYuSi019036; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:34:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RGYtDS019023; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:34:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:38:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8RGYrSi019011 On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:46:57 -0400, "Paul Wilson" wrote: >Well for starters, someone who shows up for court wearing grease-stained >sweats is demonstrating disrespect for the court and its proceedings. Do How do you determine distrespect from the impoverished? Some people don't have a lot of clothign to wear. Some people drive vehicles that sometimes break down on the way to court. I can concieve of a person wearing grease stained sweats and mean no disrespect to the court. What you wear isn't disrespectful. How do you determine who it's disresepctful to? and why? What you wear hurts no one else. What you wear is your freedom of choice. Do you really want the government telling us how to dress? One man's interpretation fo clothes is merely that, an interpretation. One in which he shouldn't condesend another for. One in which he shoudln't not judge another for. Do we really want judges judging books by their covers? >you think someone accused of a traffic violation (flouting the rules of the >road) is going to help his case by flouting the conventions of dress in the >courtroom? You may consider it silly, stuffy or prudish, but it's really >just common sense. No it's really silly to judge a person based on their clothing. Anyone who would isn't fit to judge. So what about foriegn people? Or just poor people who werent' taught "you must wear a suit in court". Are they to be treated any less fair than a guy in thousand dollar suit? I must ask, do you truly understand equality and justice for all? >Besides, how would you feel about the quality of justice being dispensed if >the judge showed up in a t-shirt, running shorts and sandals? For all we know, he could be dressed that way under his robe. I wouldn't really give a rats ass how he was dressed, as long as he was fair. Would you be dissapointed if he let you walk, even tho he was dressed like a bum? or would you rather him dress "professional" and hit you with every fine in the book? I think in either case you wouldn't care how he was dressed. It's really superficial and an abomination of justice. >Paul in DC > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "dan" >To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" >Cc: >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:25 AM >Subject: Re: Reckless... > > >> > I never knew justice was so fashion conscious. I always thought >> > justice was supposed to be blind. I find it an insult to the justice >> > system that judges look at a persons clothing instead of listening to >> > a person's plea. how fair can such a judge be? >> > >> >> Danny, >> >> You have to be really naive or trolling. In this world you can >> play by the rules or spend the rest of your life spinning your wheels. >> Wanna change the rules? Have at. >> >> Dan In response to this I say, it is better to live life spinning your wheels and trying for improvement than to live as the world's enslaved bitch. Give me libery or give me death. . Actually is it too much to ask to get some people to THINK? Do not judge a book by it's cover and especially do not judge a man by his clothes in a courtroom. Does that not sound reasonable? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 12:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RGbqSi019079; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:37:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RGbp8R019073; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:37:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:37:40 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: harry@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Message-ID: <2465A9D0.2F61977A.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You tell'em Harry. And, btw, I don't think you're an "over-opinionated a-hole". Obnoxious a-hole maybe but not over-opinionated. ;-) Besides, what's wrong with Enrique Iglesias? :-p Scooter In a message dated Fri, 27 Sep 2002 7:01:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, harry@XXXXXX writes: > > > >BTW, why is it that the list admin can't (won't?) configure the list > >software to default to reply-to the list? > > The list admin (over-opinionated a-hole that he is) doesn't > think email lists should use 'Reply-To:'. The problem > is mainly that when people try to send private replies > (often a good thing), they can inadvertently end up sending > the response to the entire list, which might be a nuisance or > it might be terribly embarrassing (e.g. "... Please don't tell > anyone, but I must confess I share your fondness for Enrique > Iglesias!"). This isn't how email "normally" works, so > people > can get thrown and do the wrong thing. > -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 12:44:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RGi4Si019155; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:44:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RGi4Yd019150; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:44:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless... Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:47:51 -0400 Message-ID: <9e29pug4cphtgkatotl3karllr9fq34gnr@4ax.com> References: <17b.f4baa1a.2ac52d58@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <17b.f4baa1a.2ac52d58@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8RGi3Si019133 Real cute on the test Jenn... :) how bout you go to courtt and dress nicely, and I'll continue on down the road at 150 mph because the cops top out at 130 . Sometimes the rules in life aren't fair. A lot of you seem to be saying "accept them". If we accepted all the rules in life, we'd all be brittish subjects under some king. Certain races would still be enslaved. Rich would remain rich. Poor would remain poor. I'm not asking anyone go to to court dressed like a bumb. All i'm asking is that people think about it, and admit it, that it's not fair, for people to be judged on what they wear. let's lose the denial here. I find it almost saddening/unbelievable that people would rather live their life as sheep, doing what's told, even though it isnt' fair. What kind of life is that. In a business atmoshpere, I can understand dressing a certain way... you offend the consumer you lose the sale... but in a courtroom funded by taxpayers, taxpayers should be able to dress as they normally would every day. It's a shame so few know what justice really is. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 12:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RGiuSi019191; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:44:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RGiuth019186; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:44:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020927123817.022180e0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:44:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress In-Reply-To: References: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:38 PM 9/27/2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >No it's really silly to judge a person based on their clothing. Anyone >who would isn't fit to judge. So what about foriegn people? Or just >poor people who werent' taught "you must wear a suit in court". >Are they to be treated any less fair than a guy in thousand dollar >suit? That just how it is Danny. All people make some judgements based on what they can see. How you present yourself to the world has a lot to do with how you are perceived. To deny this is to lie to yourself. Some people make these judgements primarily on race or sex. Most people make it based on clothing and attitude. Perception may not be 9/10ths of the law like possession, but it ranks up there. Go into court wearing your best clothing - look like a serious contributing member of society. You will be treated better. It is that simple. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 12:51:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RGpbSi019264; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:51:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RGpboo019255; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:51:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:56:20 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Motor PsychoL Danny cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >> Danny, > >> > >> You have to be really naive or trolling. In this world you can > >> play by the rules or spend the rest of your life spinning your wheels. > >> Wanna change the rules? Have at. > >> > >> Dan > > > In response to this I say, it is better to live life spinning your > wheels and trying for improvement than to live as the world's enslaved > bitch. Give me libery or give me death. . Actually is it too much to > ask to get some people to THINK? Do not judge a book by it's cover > and especially do not judge a man by his clothes in a courtroom. > Does that not sound reasonable? > Well I've seen country folk dressed in some really silly stuff, but you could tell they made an effort to make themselves presentable. I guess you are going to spin your wheels all your life. That means get nowhere. You have to pick and choose your battles. I could have been complacent and just paid the fine, did I, hell no. I chose a battle and had a battle plan. I won. It comes down to what's worth it and what's not. We don't live in an ideal world. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 12:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RGsvSi019314; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:54:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RGsvLP019309; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:54:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 27 Sep 2002 16:54:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20020927165455.15003.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Troutman hit the nail on the head - ... >That just how it is Danny. All people make some judgements based on what >they can see. How you present yourself to the world has a lot to do with >how you are perceived. To deny this is to lie to yourself [Dave] While I hesitated to get involved in this - Think of it this way, regardless of what moral objections you may have to it: If you are going to court as a defendant, you may have to make a good impression on 1 or possibly 12 people. First impressions are lasting impressions. Over 90% of the information we intake, is with our eyes. If you want truly equal justice under the law, well, perhaps passing laws that required all court room attendees to be naked would be in order... Then again... maybe that's not such a good idea ;-) Gimer, care to opine ? Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 12:55:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RGtHSi019362; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:55:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RGtG4j019356; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:55:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:55:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Increasingly OT (was: courtroom dress) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, dan wrote: > We don't live in an ideal world. I do! I do! Life of the mind, baby. Fish. solipsism is a wonderful thing: "it's all in me head" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 13:09:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RH9CSi019474; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:09:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RH9Cba019466; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:09:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <018801c26648$83a062c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1><007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020927123817.022180e0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:06:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" > At 12:38 PM 9/27/2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >No it's really silly to judge a person based on their clothing. Anyone > >who would isn't fit to judge. So what about foriegn people? Or just > >poor people who werent' taught "you must wear a suit in court". > >Are they to be treated any less fair than a guy in thousand dollar > >suit? > > That just how it is Danny. All people make some judgements based on what > they can see. How you present yourself to the world has a lot to do with > how you are perceived. To deny this is to lie to yourself. Some people > make these judgements primarily on race or sex. Most people make it based > on clothing and attitude. Perception may not be 9/10ths of the law like > possession, but it ranks up there. > > Go into court wearing your best clothing - look like a serious contributing > member of society. You will be treated better. It is that simple. > > Yeah, homeless shelters have clothing banks for the same reason, for job interviews and whatnot. An indigent defendant can make himself look presentable for a court appearance with the help of the public defender, even after spending several nights in the pokey, so why can't the yuppie that gets pulled for a traffic offense do the same? Talk about justice. Those that can dress well and choose not to, thereby showing disrespect, deserve scorn. If someone is doing their best, it usually shows and is demonstrated in other ways, such as speech and general demeanor. If that the worst injustice Danny can come up with, well dressed people skating on traffic tickets, I guess we have solved all of our society's ills. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 13:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RHD3Si019548; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:13:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RHD3jj019540; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:13:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020927131229.0230a810@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:12:59 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress In-Reply-To: <018801c26648$83a062c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020927123817.022180e0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:06 PM 9/27/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >If that the worst injustice Danny can come up with, well dressed people >skating on traffic tickets, I guess we have solved all of our society's >ills. I wish I could skate on a ticket by wearing a suit. If only it _were_ that easy! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 13:13:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RHDGSi019582; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:13:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RHDGlf019576; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:13:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09D9FD@www.email.gmabrands.com> From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:09:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Though Danny does make some novel points, I just admit that I disagree with many of his arguements. Certainly it should not matter what a person wears to court, but one must have some respect for others and the legal system as a whole. Personally I find it disrespectful for individuals to go to court with torn/ripped clothing and dirty sweats. Actually the idea of going to court in jeans/sweats really irks me. Maybe three years of law school and nearly 7 years in Europe warped my perception a bit, but I find that people should dress appropriately when they are in a courtroom. If one's bike/car has problems on the way to court and the individual happens to get greasy, then a point should be made to apologize for one's appearence. Greasy sweats in the courtroom??? Why were they wearing sweats in the first place. Okay, I am very biased in that I would never dream of wearing sweats to the courtroom. Hell, I hated seeing my classmates in college going to class in sweats. People shouldn't have to wear a suit, but they should have the simple courtesy to throw on a decent pair of trousers and a nice shirt (for the men) or a decent pair of trousers/skirt and blouse, or dress for the women. Unless you are homeless there is really no excuse for having to show up in court dressed otherwise. If the price of clothing dictates what you wear to court, then spend the $10 at a thrift store and find yourself a decent shirt and pants. As unfortunate as it may seem people judge us based on our appearences on a daily basis. If I walk down the street after a long day of wrenching, I'm treated and viewed quite differently than when I take a stroll dressed in a suit or simple trousers and a sweater. Furthermore, I'm further viewed differently when I enter an establishment carrying my helmet vs. the occassions when I am not. Another thing I've noticed is that people often, not always mind you, act better when they have made a little effort with their appearence. Justice and fairness aside, much of the world works on a system of respect. You respect others and others will likely respect you. For judges proper courtroom etiquette consists of a few simple things: 1) stand up when you are told to stand and sit when you are told to sit, 2) speak when it is your turn, 3) never interject while the judge is speaking, 4) answer the judge/lawyers in a precise manner, 5) dress appropriately (see above). w.e.scott iii, jd '73 rd350 Vespas galore -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:46:57 -0400, "Paul Wilson" wrote: >Well for starters, someone who shows up for court wearing grease-stained >sweats is demonstrating disrespect for the court and its proceedings. Do How do you determine distrespect from the impoverished? Some people don't have a lot of clothign to wear. Some people drive vehicles that sometimes break down on the way to court. I can concieve of a person wearing grease stained sweats and mean no disrespect to the court. What you wear isn't disrespectful. How do you determine who it's disresepctful to? and why? What you wear hurts no one else. What you wear is your freedom of choice. Do you really want the government telling us how to dress? One man's interpretation fo clothes is merely that, an interpretation. One in which he shouldn't condesend another for. One in which he shoudln't not judge another for. Do we really want judges judging books by their covers? >you think someone accused of a traffic violation (flouting the rules of the >road) is going to help his case by flouting the conventions of dress in the >courtroom? You may consider it silly, stuffy or prudish, but it's really >just common sense. No it's really silly to judge a person based on their clothing. Anyone who would isn't fit to judge. So what about foriegn people? Or just poor people who werent' taught "you must wear a suit in court". Are they to be treated any less fair than a guy in thousand dollar suit? I must ask, do you truly understand equality and justice for all? >Besides, how would you feel about the quality of justice being dispensed if >the judge showed up in a t-shirt, running shorts and sandals? For all we know, he could be dressed that way under his robe. I wouldn't really give a rats ass how he was dressed, as long as he was fair. Would you be dissapointed if he let you walk, even tho he was dressed like a bum? or would you rather him dress "professional" and hit you with every fine in the book? I think in either case you wouldn't care how he was dressed. It's really superficial and an abomination of justice. >Paul in DC > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "dan" >To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" >Cc: >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:25 AM >Subject: Re: Reckless... > > >> > I never knew justice was so fashion conscious. I always thought >> > justice was supposed to be blind. I find it an insult to the justice >> > system that judges look at a persons clothing instead of listening to >> > a person's plea. how fair can such a judge be? >> > >> >> Danny, >> >> You have to be really naive or trolling. In this world you can >> play by the rules or spend the rest of your life spinning your wheels. >> Wanna change the rules? Have at. >> >> Dan In response to this I say, it is better to live life spinning your wheels and trying for improvement than to live as the world's enslaved bitch. Give me libery or give me death. . Actually is it too much to ask to get some people to THINK? Do not judge a book by it's cover and especially do not judge a man by his clothes in a courtroom. Does that not sound reasonable? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 13:23:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RHNeSi019682; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:23:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RHNdjs019676; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:23:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a901c2664a$ad5dbd90$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: References: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:24:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>How do you determine distrespect from the impoverished? Some people >>don't have a lot of clothign to wear. Some people drive vehicles that >>sometimes break down on the way to court. I can concieve of a person >>wearing grease stained sweats and mean no disrespect to the court. Certain situations require a certain outward appearance because they are special, serious, etc. Jeans are appropriate to going to the movies, not to going to court. That's just the way it is, and if you don't have a lot of money you go to the thrift shop and collect whatever bits you can, and keep them clean and pressed. If you don't have any money you borrow from friends. And if you can't do that, you at least clean up what you have, and make it look as nice as you can, because it shows that you care. Recently I attended a funeral. There were a lot of people there from the same social circle, many of whom work at night and have no need, want or desire for a suit; they tend bar or DJ and etc. They fell into two categories: those who did whatever it took to get presentable (my friend Dave was there in his favorite suit and about 6 other guys were there in Dave's other favorite suits), and those who did not dress the part. The second set... well, it'll take a while for me to not consider them Losers. They have just as little budget or need for a suit as the first bunch, but their attire showed me they didn't care enough to figure *something* out. -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 13:39:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RHdgSi019784; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:39:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RHdfmE019769; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:39:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020927173938.3415.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020927165455.15003.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Troutman hit the nail on the head - > ... > >That just how it is Danny. All people make some > judgements based on what > >they can see. How you present yourself to the world has > a lot to do with > >how you are perceived. To deny this is to lie to > yourself > > [Dave] While I hesitated to get involved in this - Think > of it this way, regardless of what moral objections you > may have to it: If you are going to court as a > defendant, you may have to make a good impression on 1 or > possibly 12 people. First impressions are lasting > impressions. Over 90% of the information we intake, is > with our eyes. > > If you want truly equal justice under the law, well, > perhaps passing laws that required all court room > attendees to be naked would be in order... Then again... > maybe that's not such a good idea ;-) Gimer, care to > opine ? shiiiiiit. glad to! opinion #1: danny seems to be mixing two unrelated arguments here. in one sense he's making a financial argument -- some folks can't afford to clean up/dress up for court. in another sense he's saying that it is unjust or improper to expect it and we're all idiots for following along -- the sheep argument. he should devote his energy to one or the other, as both are certainly suffering. opinion #2: there is good naked and there is bad naked. what you're recommending fits in the latter category.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 13:41:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RHfFSi019836; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:41:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RHfFdQ019821; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:41:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:41:10 -0700 From: " Jeff Kopchik" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: jkop@XXXXXX Subject: Suzuki Intruder 800 Sender: jkop@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 167.176.6.8 Anyone own or have experience with a Suzuki Intruder 800? I'm looking at one. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 16:53:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RKr5Si021193; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:53:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RKr45p021182; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:53:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <200209271201.g8RC1Ie13731@kiri.meretrix.com> Message-ID: <20020927134619.M22818-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 harry@XXXXXX wrote: > The list admin (over-opinionated a-hole that he is) doesn't Aren't they all? ;-) ;-) > think email lists should use 'Reply-To:'. The problem > is mainly that when people try to send private replies > (often a good thing), they can inadvertently end up sending > the response to the entire list, which might be a nuisance or > it might be terribly embarrassing (e.g. "... Please don't tell > anyone, but I must confess I share your fondness for Enrique > Iglesias!"). This isn't how email "normally" works, so people > can get thrown and do the wrong thing. Cool, thanks for the reply. We had a pretty funny situation on one of our car lists where a boyfriend/girlfriend were both subscribed. The boyfriend posted something about 'fscking like rabbits' directly to the list instead of sending it to his girlfriend. That was in '95 and we still hassle him about it. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 16:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RKxeSi021258; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:59:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RKxdWi021251; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:59:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets In-Reply-To: <20020927102551.62921.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020927134852.O22818-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > it's set up this way because there are people on digest > mode.... push the delete button. I think Harry explained it pretty well, but thanks for the suggestion. I can always just create another procmail filter. One like.. :0: * ^From:.*gimer* /dev/null ... seems to work well to drop some noise from my inbox! 8-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 17:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RL4cSi021350; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:04:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RL4ciF021343; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:04:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020927210436.59596.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets To: Wayne Edelen , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020927134852.O22818-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > it's set up this way because there are people on digest > > mode.... push the delete button. > > I think Harry explained it pretty well, but thanks for > the suggestion. i actually thought harry's explanation omitted the most important reason for most people's consistent use of the "reply all" function -- the digesters. > I > can always just create another procmail filter. One > like.. > > :0: > * ^From:.*gimer* > /dev/null > > ... seems to work well to drop some noise from my inbox! > > 8-) whatever suits you. but you'll be getting only the incorrect side of every argument. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 20:30:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8S0UoSi022710; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:30:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8S0UnRM022701; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:30:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a201c2667e$72278420$c17e5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Drip. Drip. Drip. Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:34:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: Fish Flowers Good places to get cheap raingear? For short trips, emergencies: generic at Sunny's Surplus, etc. Bright Yellow, a real comfort last night on sloppy 66. Plenty baggy to cover 'stich. Inexpensive ($20-50), quasi-disposable. Not for everyone I'm sure. Boot, glove covers needed also. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > No bailing required. Toweloff appreciated. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 20:49:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8S0n2Si022935; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:49:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8S0n1IX022930; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:49:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:52:52 -0400 Message-ID: <77v9pucktr6nl42ucv6c4s80io8hgkn9fk@4ax.com> References: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020927123817.022180e0@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020927123817.022180e0@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8S0mxSi022916 I'm not denying you wouldn't get treated better, and I agree that is how it is, but what i'm saying is, it's wrong. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 20:58:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8S0wQSi023127; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:58:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8S0wPKK023116; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:58:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:02:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1><007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020927123817.022180e0@mail.troutman.org> <018801c26648$83a062c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <018801c26648$83a062c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8S0wOSi023099 I guess if everyone were slaughtering their first born you would too right? Or maybe you think you're better than everyone else? I could have sworn the statue of the lady holding the scales has a blind fold on. Equal justice to all right? Oh wait, except for the poorer, or ignorant, they don't pass our fashion show, our fashion test.. let's give them a raw deal. That makes sense to you? EVEN if one could go to a thrift store and find a suit... or to a clothing donation place, why should one have to go through the hassle? IF you're fit to walk down the street, you should be just as fit to stand before the judge. Would you really want fairness hanging on threads... litterally. What's next, the guy with the best suit wins the case? It's not a fashion show. How you dress should be completely irrelevent. What is important is the evidence and testimony. I'm saying it's messed up and it shouldn't be that way. I find it appauling that some people think it's okay. I understand there is bias in the courtroom, I just would atleast hope the masses recognize it, rather than ignorantly go along with it. That is scary. Why should a poorer man have to jump through any extra hoops to be presentable. Why should a man who knows nothing about "propper dress" be treated any different. Are you telling me Donald Trump and the bumb on the corner should have two different justices? How does one decide clothing is disrespectful anyway? And who is so ignorant to take it personal? Do you walk up to bums on the street nad give them a good scolding? DO you walk past bums and say HEY BUDDY I see that outfit your'e wearing! Fuck you too!!!! Come on now.. disrespect is an action, not a view. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 21:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8S12vSi023296; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:02:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8S12uda023290; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:02:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Scott, Wellesley E." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:06:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09D9FD@www.email.gmabrands.com> In-Reply-To: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09D9FD@www.email.gmabrands.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8S12tSi023278 Another problem I have... everyone says "go to a thrift store and get yourself some clothes"... why must a poorer man go obtain second hand used clothes to satisfy other people's fashion sense? All he wants is equal justice and some of you want him to jump through extra hoops because he is poor. You should be ashamed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 21:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8S1HQSi023635; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:17:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8S1HQBe023627; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:17:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Patti Rodgers" Cc: Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:21:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> <00a901c2664a$ad5dbd90$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> In-Reply-To: <00a901c2664a$ad5dbd90$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g8S1HPSi023615 regarding the funeral attire, how they were dressed was important to you? Shouldn't the focus be on loving and maybe grieving the deceased? Would you rather they not came merely becuase their life is different from yours? Be thankful you're blessed, but don't try to judge people who dont' have the blessing you have had. Don't try to make them live as you live. The decieased was probably just happy they came (assuming you have a conscious afterlife). Fashion has gotten out of control. The masses have been brainwashed. You look past the reason you're at funerals, you look past equal justice... it's pathetic. Some of you should be ashamed. It is no wonder we live in such a sick world. You can convince the masses of anything. Hitler proved that. You you fashion nazi's remind me of it. It's no wonder we have governments treating people like sheep. they seem to be sheep. Lord forbid you care about justice , as long as they look nice! Yea that warms my heart! I am perhaps a century or two before my time... I need to live in that world where everyone is educated and equal. I dont' expect ignorant people on the street to recognize we should all be equal, but I do sort of demand it for our justice system. Any man who passivlely lives with injustice doesn't deserve justice. The unexamined life isn't worht living, and nor is the unjust. It's better to be a man dying fighting for what's right, than to live accepting the wrongs of society with the apathetic unambitious state of mind. Why live life if you're life is going to be just as boring as everyone elses? Why live as just a spec. Be someone, Do something. Stand up for what's right... don't go along with what's wrong just because it's easier. And that's my rant for tonight ladies and gentleman! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 21:46:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8S1keSi023808; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:46:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8S1kexw023794; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:46:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D950B40.A1C7CD92@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:52:00 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Motor PsychoL Danny CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress References: <007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1><007301c26634$dfe5b120$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020927123817.022180e0@mail.troutman.org> <018801c26648$83a062c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The arguements you present for dresssing like a scuzz sound mighty familier to me. I heard the same arguements decades ago, over and over, from the junior high school kids I was teaching. Grow up. Bill Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > I guess if everyone were slaughtering their first born you would too > right? Or maybe you think you're better than everyone else? I could > have sworn the statue of the lady holding the scales has a blind fold > on. Equal justice to all right? Oh wait, except for the poorer, or > ignorant, they don't pass our fashion show, our fashion test.. let's > give them a raw deal. That makes sense to you? > > EVEN if one could go to a thrift store and find a suit... or to a > clothing donation place, why should one have to go through the hassle? > IF you're fit to walk down the street, you should be just as fit to > stand before the judge. Would you really want fairness hanging on > threads... litterally. What's next, the guy with the best suit wins > the case? > > It's not a fashion show. How you dress should be completely > irrelevent. What is important is the evidence and testimony. > I'm saying it's messed up and it shouldn't be that way. I find it > appauling that some people think it's okay. > > I understand there is bias in the courtroom, I just would atleast hope > the masses recognize it, rather than ignorantly go along with it. That > is scary. Why should a poorer man have to jump through any extra hoops > to be presentable. Why should a man who knows nothing about "propper > dress" be treated any different. Are you telling me Donald Trump and > the bumb on the corner should have two different justices? > > How does one decide clothing is disrespectful anyway? And who is so > ignorant to take it personal? Do you walk up to bums on the street nad > give them a good scolding? DO you walk past bums and say HEY BUDDY > I see that outfit your'e wearing! Fuck you too!!!! > > Come on now.. disrespect is an action, not a view. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 27 23:58:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8S3wCSi024393; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:58:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8S3wBdt024383; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:58:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.112] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:58:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2002 03:58:03.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EAF1840:01C266A3] Windmill, meet Danny. Danny, meet Windmill. And that's my thought for tonight. Perry >From: Motor PsychoL Danny >To: "Patti Rodgers" >CC: >Subject: Re: OT Re: Reckless... courtroom dress >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:21:17 -0400 > >regarding the funeral attire, how they were dressed was important to >you? Shouldn't the focus be on loving and maybe grieving the >deceased? > >Would you rather they not came merely becuase their life is different >from yours? Be thankful you're blessed, but don't try to judge people >who dont' have the blessing you have had. Don't try to make them live >as you live. The decieased was probably just happy they came >(assuming you have a conscious afterlife). > >Fashion has gotten out of control. The masses have been brainwashed. >You look past the reason you're at funerals, you look past equal >justice... it's pathetic. Some of you should be ashamed. It is no >wonder we live in such a sick world. You can convince the masses of >anything. Hitler proved that. You you fashion nazi's remind me of it. >It's no wonder we have governments treating people like sheep. they >seem to be sheep. Lord forbid you care about justice , as long as >they look nice! Yea that warms my heart! I am perhaps a century or >two before my time... I need to live in that world where everyone is >educated and equal. I dont' expect ignorant people on the street to >recognize we should all be equal, but I do sort of demand it for our >justice system. > >Any man who passivlely lives with injustice doesn't deserve justice. >The unexamined life isn't worht living, and nor is the unjust. It's >better to be a man dying fighting for what's right, than to live >accepting the wrongs of society with the apathetic unambitious state >of mind. Why live life if you're life is going to be just as boring >as everyone elses? Why live as just a spec. Be someone, Do something. >Stand up for what's right... don't go along with what's wrong just >because it's easier. > >And that's my rant for tonight ladies and gentleman! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 28 10:24:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8SEOvSi027582; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:24:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8SEOswi027569; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:24:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gettin Wet Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:23:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2002 14:23:48.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8F28B40:01C266FA] Riding wet and getting wet are two different subjects entirely. You are not really wet riding until you ride thru a real soaker. How wet is that? So wet that water is actually cascading down your spine and you are a butt-troughing-slough sitting in a puddle of you own bath water! >Fish Flowers alleged, "Actually, I love getting wet. I just wanna >protect >my overly-expensive for-yuppies-only jacket. :)" Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 28 10:31:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8SEV3Si027644; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:31:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8SEV3mX027636; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:31:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:30:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2002 14:30:56.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8077280:01C266FB] >Well I've seen country folk dressed in some really silly stuff, but you >could tell they made an effort to make themselves presentable.] Just trolling here...I've seen funny dressed ubanites myself, 'ceptin they're sitting in their apartments, watching cable and looking at a closet full of fancy duds... whilst I'm on 200 acres of land listening to the hooty owls and not givin a shit what people think... cuz I'm happy. Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 28 12:02:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8SG2mSi028051; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:02:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8SG2l3i028040; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:02:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D95D1F0.67206DC2@carlparker.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:59:44 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SABMAGERS , DCCycles Subject: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, Whelp sold my 97' Prelude today to a pretty cool dude from NY. I already miss her but I think she's in good hands. The guy reminds me of me about 4 years ago...oh wait did I say good handz? Anywho, I want now a bike that is not too much more tha 4.5 grand and can take some serious distance touring and also be good and reliable around the town. I was hoping to solicit opinions from people about their experiences in "bike-only" land. Ideally I'd like to stay under 1000cc for interest in fuel economy and weight....mostly weight. So far I've thought about: 1) 90-93 VFR - Never been across one of these.... 2) 94-97 VFR - or these either. 3) SV650S - Sat on one in the dealship showroom...low fairing and lotsa wrist pressure. 4) Ducati ST2 - Kinda sluggish and still lotsa wrist pressure 5) ??? Any suggestions ??? I like the FZ1's but they're too new and expensive. In Europe they have the FZ600 which would be great but of course they don't sell that here. I REALLY want to get onto a VFR cuz, quite frankly, I've always wanted a VFR. But if the ergo's don't match my body then I'll happily go for something else. I wouldn't mind a Sabre, but I'd like to try out some of the "newer" technology. Whelp any caveats, hints, tips, suggestions, and stories are welcome. Thanks Ya'll and ride safe! Carl Parker P.S. I still miss my car. :( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 28 12:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8SGgpSi028232; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:42:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8SGgocg028225; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:42:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000601c2670e$042a7690$5957f4d1@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Carl Parker" , "SABMAGERS" , "DCCycles" References: <3D95D1F0.67206DC2@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:42:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > 3) SV650S - Sat on one in the dealship showroom...low fairing and > lotsa wrist pressure. Consider the Non-S version. Less aggressive riding position. Pretty much a do-evertyhing bike. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 29 20:51:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8U0puSi020444; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:51:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8U0pnr9020436; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:51:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:51:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... From: Stephen Miller To: DCCycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c2670e$042a7690$5957f4d1@michael> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Fun to ride, too. on 9/28/02 12:42 PM, Michael Jordan at mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: >> 3) SV650S - Sat on one in the dealship showroom...low fairing and >> lotsa wrist pressure. > > Consider the Non-S version. Less aggressive riding position. Pretty much a > do-evertyhing bike. > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 08:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UCDvSi024140; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:13:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UCDusW024124; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:13:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200209301213.IAA06818@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: DC Bike parking Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:13:54 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 OK, this one has me stumped. I am parked on Third Street in front of the DC DMV. From what I can tell there appear to be three designated spaces with white outlines around them sized just right for a motorcycle and not a cage. Three outlined spaces and four parking meters! I fed the one that appears to be closest to my bike but I hope that anybody writing parking tickets shares my view. Lisa Goddard --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 11:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UF7QSi025219; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:07:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UF7PGG025200; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:07:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020930150720.10337.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:07:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... To: Carl Parker , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3D95D1F0.67206DC2@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The vintage DCCycles guys are probably wincing about now since I always recommend a Ninja 250. But . . . since you already said you want a VFR, may I recommend a VFR. There are lots of after market changes that can be made to any bike. Get the bike you want and then change the ergonomics so they fit you and your riding style. Leon. Commuter Ninja 250 - stock bars and screen, stock ratio Rally Ninja 250 - not stock except for engine ZX6 - not stock, big comfy touring bike with lots of hard luggage. --- Carl Parker wrote: > Anywho, I want now a bike that is not too much more > tha 4.5 grand and > can take some serious distance touring and also be > good and reliable > around the town. I was hoping to solicit opinions > from people about > their experiences in "bike-only" land. Ideally I'd > like to stay under > 1000cc for interest in fuel economy and > weight....mostly weight. > I REALLY want to get onto a VFR cuz, quite > frankly, I've always > wanted a VFR. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 11:19:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UFJnSi025315; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:19:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UFJnlw025306; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:19:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020930151928.36977.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:19:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... To: DCCycles In-Reply-To: <20020930150720.10337.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would say VFR too. I have a 91 with bags. In about a week it will be my only form of transport.... Mark --- Leon Begeman wrote: > The vintage DCCycles guys are probably wincing about > now since I always recommend a Ninja 250. But . . . > since you already said you want a VFR, may I > recommend > a VFR. > > There are lots of after market changes that can be > made to any bike. Get the bike you want and then > change the ergonomics so they fit you and your > riding > style. > > Leon. > Commuter Ninja 250 - stock bars and screen, stock > ratio > Rally Ninja 250 - not stock except for engine > ZX6 - not stock, big comfy touring bike with lots of > hard luggage. > > --- Carl Parker wrote: > > Anywho, I want now a bike that is not too much > more > > tha 4.5 grand and > > can take some serious distance touring and also be > > good and reliable > > around the town. I was hoping to solicit opinions > > from people about > > their experiences in "bike-only" land. Ideally I'd > > like to stay under > > 1000cc for interest in fuel economy and > > weight....mostly weight. > > > > I REALLY want to get onto a VFR cuz, quite > > frankly, I've always > > wanted a VFR. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 11:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UFJvSi025349; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:19:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UFJvF2025342; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:19:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F68DC@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gettin Wet Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:19:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree. Anyone remember that rainstorm of the century last year? The one where DC had to fight to get disaster relief funds from the Feds? Guess who got stuck out in the middle of it. When you see Fairfax County cops pulling over, you know it's raining hard. MY helmet was getting shoved into my shoulder blades it was pouring so hard. Not that a few Ford Explorers didn't try to prove they could still go 70 mph. I was riding in the slow lane along the right until I realized that lighting was hitting the trees next to me. I pulled under an overpass on 495 and waited out most of it. I had to take all my id's out of my wallet to dry when I got home; that book of stamps was goner though. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "Today I met with a subliminal advertising executive for just a second." --Steven Wright Riding wet and getting wet are two different subjects entirely. You are not really wet riding until you ride thru a real soaker. How wet is that? So wet that water is actually cascading down your spine and you are a butt-troughing-slough sitting in a puddle of you own bath water! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 11:30:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UFUWSi025542; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:30:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UFUWvF025535; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:30:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020930153030.24696.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Canterbury Subject: non moto question: 4X4 work To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a Jeep Wrangler in need of some work. Nothing too extensive (replace dash lights, new seats, fix latch in door). I do not want or have the time to do the work myself. Can someone recommend an auto shop that might specialize in 4X4s? Or at the very least a good auto shop, preferably in the North Arlington area. TIA, Mary ----- It was too much tequila or not quite enough. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 11:43:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UFhMSi025688; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:43:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UFhL2M025680; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:43:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020930113155.0215aaf8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:43:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: non moto question: 4X4 work In-Reply-To: <20020930153030.24696.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:30 AM 9/30/2002, Mary Canterbury wrote: >I have a Jeep Wrangler in need of some work. Nothing >too extensive (replace dash lights, new seats, fix >latch in door). I do not want or have the time to do >the work myself. Can someone recommend an auto shop >that might specialize in 4X4s? Or at the very least a >good auto shop, preferably in the North Arlington >area. > >TIA, >Mary Mary, It sounds like some pretty simple stuff. The biggest expense will be the labor. I've found that the service departments at the dealerships are pretty close to, or as cheap as a lot of independent shops anymore. Maybe give a local dealership service department a call as well as some recommended shops and see what their labor rate is and what they estimate the total cost will be because it sounds like the only real cost will be the labor. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 12:23:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UGNSSi026144; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:23:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UGNRCF026133; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:23:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Vacation Ride Report Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:21:57 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02093012215703.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit All, This is the message I sent to friends and family. This means that there's non-bike stuff in the report. I just got back from Idaho and have 900+ messages just in dc-cycles that I want to read. Skip the non-bike stuff and you'll cut the message by about a third I guess. I'm going to have to get an instructor for her though. I got her riding basically and she has the MSF book and has been studying it but she's having problems with turns that I don't know how to get her past. The "look into the curve" seems to have helped a bit but she still doesn't have the confidence she should. Anyways, enjoy. Carl ============== Yep, we're on vacation again. This time though, Rita's riding her own bike. And since she's still on her learner's permit, she can't ride on any freeways (what's a freeway?). Rita's bike: 1981 Yamaha SR 250T Exciter. She paid $420 for it and I've put another $400 in it getting it ready to pass inspection. The exhaust was $300. I checked it over, drained some of the oil and make sure everything was working ok. The mirrors vibrate so much you can't tell what's behind you and the left turn signal kind of works. It signals but it's slow as you slow down. Carl's bike: 2002 Harley-Davidson Softail (FXSTI). I've added Arlen Ness forward control extenders for comfort (3" stretch) and a Harley medium height windshield. I have a tank and tail bag for our stuff. I wanted to take 4 days but from the looks of the weather, two days was going to be it. We left at 10am on Tuesday and headed west. Minnieville Road is right outside our house. It's a fairly busy road but not as bad as Dale Blvd. It ends at Rt 234. We made a right and then a couple of miles later made a left on Aden Road. Aden Road is a slowish scenic road that connect with Rt 28 at Nokesville. We stopped half way down and I grabbed a soda. I checked with Rita to see how she was doing. I also did a quick look over of her bike. At Rt 28, we hit the 7/11 and gassed up. She doesn't have a gas gauge so she's supposed to pay attention to the milage and keep track. Rt 28 is fairly busy and has a 45 MPH speed limit but most folks go faster. Rita's not so we pull off of the road once in a while to let people by. At Rt 643 we make a right and head to Warrenton. Even though it's a thin gray line on the map, the speed limit is 55 (45 for trucks). We stay at 45 and continue on. It's a very nice day. The sky is mainly clear with some clouds coming in from the south and west. The temperature is cool without being cold. We got to Warrenton and were supposed to head west on Rt 211 but due to misreading of the map and a couple of wrong turns (my fault), we headed south on Rt 29. Rt 29 is a four lane road with a 55MPH limit. As we started to merge, the light changed. Rita doesn't have the acceleration of my bike so she fell behind the first truck as I moved in front of it. At the first reasonable turnout, I pulled over. It had to be a spot she could see, signal, and be able to move into without any sudden moves. We pulled off of 29 twice to let traffic go by until we got to the the gun shop on the right and the left turn onto Rt 17. At that point, I realized we had gone in the wrong direction. We pulled into a gas station/McDonalds/shop for a pit stop. I grabbed a soda and we hit the bathrooms. At the light for Rt 17, we made a left onto 29 and headed back to Warrenton. We found Rt 211 and headed west. It was a four lane road but it wasn't near as busy. We headed down 211 for about 7 miles, still at about 45. We came upon a crew working on the road at our next turn and had to slow down until we could make the turn. On Rt 688, the scenery and road was much more bike oriented. The mostly slight curves, overhanging trees, and farmland (and developments) were a joy to experience. And at 35 to 45, it was a comfortable ride. We went through Orlean and made a left on Rt 635 at Hume. Rt 635 was an unmarked blacktop with the same scenery. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. We went by a couple of wineries and rode by the Marriott ranch. That was interesting. I commented that it was a great ride. Rita said she didn't like it. She is having trouble with the turns. At Rt 522, we headed north. This road is a 55 MPH two lane road. We followed it up to Front Royal at the head of the Shenandoah National Park and Skyline Drive. It was a fast ride, still no more than 45MPH though. At Front Royal we hit Blimpies and KFC for lunch. Gassed up, grabbed a couple of drinks (tea and Diet Coke) and headed for Skyline Drive. At the Dickey Ridge visitor center, we stopped for lunch. There were two other vehicles in the picnic area. We talked about the ride, ate lunch, harrassed the caterpiller, picked up a couple of bits of extra trash, hit the bathrooms and moved on. We stopped at several of the overlooks on the way. The view was a little hazy. The speed limit was 35 MPH so it was a glorious ride all the way. It was 33 miles to Rt 211 and another 35 miles to Rt 33, where we were turning off. Along the way, we stopped at Thornton Gap for drinks. There is a tunnel after that. Rita and I both had our sunglasses on so the tunnel was a bit dark but the exit was clear. We stopped at Big Meadows for the bathrooms. There have been lots of sightings of deer along the way and there were two deer in the median at the parking lot. It was 5:30pm so the shop was closed. We continued on down the road until we got to Rt 33. We headed west towards Elkton. The road down the mountain was twisty. Fortunately there were no trucks behind us on the way down. We got to Elkton and pulled off the road intending on getting a motel room. We wanted to spend two nights. We were going to drop off our stuff and ride up to a couple of good hiking spots and basically do some exploring. At Elton though, there weren't any motels that appealed to us so we continued on to Harrisonburg. On the way, they were digging up Rt 33. You know, where they grind up the road surface down the base asphalt. This leaves the roads grooved and, for motorcycles, a little scary. As we approached, Rita looked a little scared. I told her to loosen up on and let the bike ride. While watching Rita and paying attention to my own ride, I saw a big truck (next size down from a semi) behind Rita. Picture a big grill and the top of the grill was at about her shoulder height and her head looked like a hood ornament. I watched that and looked for a place to pull off. When we pulled up, she said that she was scared. I understand, it's a scary ride. I again instructed her to hold on to the handlebars but hold her arms loose and let the bike ride. We made it of course, but she said it almost made her cry she was so scared. So we approached Harrisonburg. We've stayed in Harrisonburg the past couple of years. This year, we stayed at the same Motel 6 we stayed at last year. We went for a walk looking for a place to eat. We found Captain D's, Burger King, Wendy's, Chili's, Ruby Tuesdays' and lots of other fast food/chain type places. We decided to hit the bike (Rita can't ride at night) and try Harrisonburg. Unfortunately no such place jumped out at us even though we wandered through downtown. Finally we ended up two exits on Rt 81 south, we gave up and decided on Chili's or Ruby Tuesday's. We hit 81 N and headed back to the motel. On the way, we saw an Outback sign and decided to hit that instead. Because we were going to stop and do some hiking tomorrow, we stopped at K-Mart and picked up a couple of items. Rita picked up some lotion and I bought a "The Club" lock and cable. When the total of our purchases was about 10 bucks, I said something. The cable was like $14 and the lock was $11. Rita's stuff was $6 and I got a Diet Coke. According to the receipt, the lock was $.98. Weird, must be a going out of business sale. In the morning, after checking the weather, we decided that, since it was going to be raining on Thursday and, with the bad road on the way back, we would just hit one or two of the hiking trails to the waterfalls and continue on home. We packed up, hit our favorite bagel shop and headed out. We headed back up Rt 33. Rita in the lead. Behind me a semi was closing and a van was behind him (well, or her I guess). At one of the turns, I saw Rita slide her butt to the left. When we entered the park, she said she was afraid that she wasn't going to make the turn. In retrospect, she was a little close to the bushes on the right when she did that. At the first turn out, I tried to show her the best ways to lean a bike and to watch the upcoming curves. Look for your destination. Where you look is where you're going to go. Look ahead in the curve and the bike will follow. We stopped a couple of more times and I explained it again. She seemed to do better but she said she was still having problems. I think we'll have to get her an instructor since she'll have to do curves to pass the driving test. We headed up to Dark Hollow Falls where we were going to do some hiking. The hike was 1.4 miles round trip. We pulled in and I locked the bikes together with the helmets in the loop. I had my leatherman and the cell phone. Rita had the camera. The rest of the stuff in the packs were clothes, books, and maps. Nothing to worry about. We headed down the trail. It wasn't as steep as some of the climbs we did in the Rockies last year but in places it was a little steep. At the bottom of the trail was the Rose Trail Fire Break. I had to find a tree due to the cokes. The walk back up was interesting. I was helping Rita almost all the way up. We stopped several times; to let Rita catch up, or to catch her breath. We're definately both a little out of shape. To the gym starting when we get back. Anyway, it was a good hike. Due to the drought, the falls were more like a trickle but the weather was cool and it was fun. We packed up and headed back down Skyline Drive. We were ready for the tunnel this time. Rita complained about the loudness and smelliness of my bike :-) We hit Rt 211 and headed off of the trail. Again, it was a curvy road going down. I still think Rita's getting better. In Sperryville, we stopped at Rae's Deli for lunch. This was at about 3:15pm. We headed back along 211 and stayed on it back to Warrenton. At one of the spots, Rita was able to keep up with a 50 MPH. At a gas station stop, I found out that she had just found 5th gear. It seems to be hard to get into since she said she wasn't able to always get it into 5th. In Warrenton, we stayed on Rt 29 for a couple of lights until we hit Rt 605; Dumfries Road. We headed down to Rt 28. Headed north to Nokesville. Took Aden road to Rt 234. Hit Minnieville and got home at about 5:30pm. All in all, it was a great ride. Lovely weather. Nice slow cruise. We're getting ready to fly out to Idaho in the morning and Rita commented that we may be able to borrow a couple of bikes for some riding, expressing disappointment that they might be dirt bikes. ======== -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 12:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UGbvSi026252; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:37:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UGbuce026244; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:37:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: WV ticket help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well I guess I jinxed myself with the show up in court dressed nicely thread. After five or six years being ticket free, I got nabbed in Wardensville WV in a nice little speed trap. Coming down on the big hill on old 55 right into town, it turns into a 40, I was coasting down at 68 according to the police chief's radar gun. A buddy I was riding with coasted by at 62, an according to the chief he didn't want to pull in front of me to cause me to brake too hard. Thanks. He was a nice enough guy tho, no hassles, no speaches and reduced it to a 56 in a 40. The fine is $130, not to bad, what worries me is the points. Do they carry over to VA or to insurance? Anyone know of a good lawyer in Hardy County.. hell even A lawyer, haven't been able to find jack. Just trying to avoid padding the insurance co's coffers even more. Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 13:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UH9mSi026545; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:09:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UH9mRQ026537; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:09:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Troutman , Subject: Re: Va Woman Gets 30 Yrs for Killing Biker Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:08:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020919175907.25228.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020919142923.023c18b8@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020919142923.023c18b8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02093013081204.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 19 September 2002 14:33, Troutman wrote: > Helmet flew off of her head? Little brain bucket I am sure. Too > bad. Might have saved her life. Also curious that the husband was able to > get out of the way but she was not. Would be interesting to know if she > was a newer rider, had object fixation, or was just unable to avoid the > collision. > There was an accident in Woodbridge a few months back. The two riders, husband and wife, were coming out of a turn where there was a left turn. The cage let the first one go by and then clipped the second one (the wife I think). Maybe she thought there was just one bike. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 13:14:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UHE1Si026619; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:14:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UHE19O026613; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:14:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020930131050.032060d0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:13:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Great lunch ride! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have to fly to Miami on business, so I came home at 12:30. What a blast. Just enough traffic to keep it interesting. Got to sail around the West Ox / 50 exit, the 50 / 66W exit at high speed, then had the Colchester / Newman / Clifton back roads all to myself. Another biker tailed me up to Clifton - anyone on list? I was on the Red VFR 'UNCAGE' with a big green laptop case bungeed to the rear and a big smile up front ;-) For those of you wishing you were going to Miami for a few days on business - think high humidity and tropical storms ... along with spending 24/7 with your boss :-/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 13:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UHJ6Si026693; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:19:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UHJ63Y026685; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:19:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020930171857.16871.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: WV ticket help To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 56 in a 40 will, i think, be treated by virginia as a speeding 10-19 over. appearing at trial before an angry wva judge just might result in a conviction for 68 in a 40, "reckless driving" according to virginia law. something to think about.... a search at http://www.lawyers.com resulted in nothing? --- dan wrote: > Well I guess I jinxed myself with the show up in court > dressed nicely > thread. After five or six years being ticket free, I got > nabbed in > Wardensville WV in a nice little speed trap. Coming down > on the big hill > on old 55 right into town, it turns into a 40, I was > coasting down at 68 > according to the police chief's radar gun. A buddy I was > riding with > coasted by at 62, an according to the chief he didn't > want to pull in > front of me to cause me to brake too hard. Thanks. He > was a nice enough > guy tho, no hassles, no speaches and reduced it to a 56 > in a 40. The fine > is $130, not to bad, what worries me is the points. Do > they carry over to > VA or to insurance? Anyone know of a good lawyer in Hardy > County.. hell > even A lawyer, haven't been able to find jack. Just > trying to avoid > padding the insurance co's coffers even more. > > Dan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 13:28:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UHSJSi026805; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:28:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UHSIU1026794; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:28:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WV ticket help In-Reply-To: <20020930171857.16871.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > wva judge just might result in a conviction for 68 in a 40, > "reckless driving" according to virginia law. something to > think about.... Yep, I don't have the time to show up and watch a session to see if its a hangin judge. So they can charge you with something even higher than what is written on the ticket? > > a search at http://www.lawyers.com resulted in nothing? > That found something, guess I skipped that site when doing my google search. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 13:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UHZmSi026947; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:35:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UHZmGr026936; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:35:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011401c268a7$b50f4860$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DCCycles" References: <20020930151928.36977.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:34:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'm highly biased, of course, but I'd give the VFR (any of the three versions from 1990 to 2001) a serious look. Each model run has plusses/minuses. You can easily find immaculate low mileage ones for not much money, and there is a thriving aftermarket, lots of used parts, and they are equally happy carving the twisties solo or loaded down with a passenger and full bags on the slab. Long distance, short distance, commuting, they do it all. They appeal to more mature riders, so the used specimens tend not to have been thrashed too hard. And you won't find a nicer bunch of folks if you attend various VFR-centric events or DC-Cycles Bike Nights... :) Listen hard to those inner voices that say you *really* want a VFR! My inner voices told me that too and I have no regrets. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DCCycles" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... > I would say VFR too. I have a 91 with bags. In about > a week it will be my only form of transport.... > > Mark > > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > The vintage DCCycles guys are probably wincing about > > now since I always recommend a Ninja 250. But . . . > > since you already said you want a VFR, may I > > recommend > > a VFR. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 14:00:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UI01Si027326; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:00:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UI00QK027316; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:00:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020930175958.48217.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: WV ticket help To: dan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- dan wrote: > > wva judge just might result in a conviction for 68 in a > 40, > > "reckless driving" according to virginia law. > something to > > think about.... > > Yep, I don't have the time to show up and watch a session > to see if its a > hangin judge. So they can charge you with something even > higher than what > is written on the ticket? if the matter goes to trial (we have no idea as to the standard practice in [county], wva with respect to plea bargains and traffic charges), the state will present its case including all relevant underlying facts. the fact that you were actually stopped for doing 68/40 but the officer reduced the charge is likely if not definitely going to be divulged to the judge. > > a search at http://www.lawyers.com resulted in nothing? > > > > That found something, guess I skipped that site when > doing my google > search. Thanks. no problem. good luck. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 14:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UICeSi027431; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:12:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UICdPd027422; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:12:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:11:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2002 18:11:33.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEBC3660:01C268AC] Well said, Paul. And I concur! Big shock. ;) Just thought you like an opinion from my gen VFR. They really are great all around bikes. Rob '98 VFR800 (quickly approaching 30k) From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:34:58 -0400 I'm highly biased, of course, but I'd give the VFR (any of the three versions from 1990 to 2001) a serious look. Each model run has plusses/minuses. You can easily find immaculate low mileage ones for not much money, and there is a thriving aftermarket, lots of used parts, and they are equally happy carving the twisties solo or loaded down with a passenger and full bags on the slab. Long distance, short distance, commuting, they do it all. They appeal to more mature riders, so the used specimens tend not to have been thrashed too hard. And you won't find a nicer bunch of folks if you attend various VFR-centric events or DC-Cycles Bike Nights... :) Listen hard to those inner voices that say you *really* want a VFR! My inner voices told me that too and I have no regrets. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DCCycles" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... > I would say VFR too. I have a 91 with bags. In about > a week it will be my only form of transport.... > > Mark > > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > The vintage DCCycles guys are probably wincing about > > now since I always recommend a Ninja 250. But . . . > > since you already said you want a VFR, may I > > recommend > > a VFR. > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 14:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UIEPSi027471; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:14:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UIEPbJ027462; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:14:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:19:13 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WV ticket help In-Reply-To: <20020930175958.48217.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > if the matter goes to trial (we have no idea as to the > standard practice in [county], wva with respect to plea > bargains and traffic charges), the state will present its > case including all relevant underlying facts. the fact > that you were actually stopped for doing 68/40 but the > officer reduced the charge is likely if not definitely > going to be divulged to the judge. > > Yeah, that's what worries me. I got nailed for 85 in a 65 a in 97 I think. Cop just wrote me the ticket and said nothing else. So I show in court and try to weasel out of the ticket, well the judge asks the cop if there is anything special to add about the case. So then he says "Yes your honor, I observed two Mustangs, a red one, the defendants, and a white one speeding, I tried to pace them several times but they were accelerating at such a phenomial rate, the patrol car just couldn't keep up" I felt about 2 inches tall, wanted to crawl into a hole in the ground. I guess I'll talk to a few lawyers and tell them what happend and see what they think. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 14:20:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UIKLSi027540; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:20:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UIKLvG027532; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:20:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F68E1@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend accident Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:20:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One of my non-riding coworkers said she was caught in a backup on I-270 this weekend and they passed two fallen riders. She was wondering how they were, anyone know of any accidents this weekend? I hope everyone is OK. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 14:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UIg3Si027698; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UIg2Dg027685; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:40:27 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209301440270B.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 24 September 2002 12:28, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/23/2002 10:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > lisagoddard@XXXXXX writes: > > "my helmet is not where > > I left it no more than 10 minutes ago" > > That sucks. You can hope it was a good Samaritan who thought it had fallen > off of someones bike and is trying to get it back to its owner. And I can > fly. > Just a whacky thought. How many of us have contact information in the helmet? My wife gave me a red cross type card in a plastic holder that I put in the liner of the helmet. I've seen the sticker types that go on the outside of the helmet instructing people not to remove the helmet in case of accident as well as contact info. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 14:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UIgcSi027839; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UIgcnm027832; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020930184236.51313.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: WV ticket help To: Tom Gimer , dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020930171857.16871.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since he was charged with speeding, VA will treat it as a 20 over speeding ticket if/when it transfers no matter if he ws going 90 in a 40. Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > 56 in a 40 will, i think, be treated by virginia as > a > speeding 10-19 over. appearing at trial before an > angry > wva judge just might result in a conviction for 68 > in a 40, > "reckless driving" according to virginia law. > something to > think about.... > > a search at http://www.lawyers.com resulted in > nothing? > > > > --- dan wrote: > > Well I guess I jinxed myself with the show up in > court > > dressed nicely > > thread. After five or six years being ticket > free, I got > > nabbed in > > Wardensville WV in a nice little speed trap. > Coming down > > on the big hill > > on old 55 right into town, it turns into a 40, I > was > > coasting down at 68 > > according to the police chief's radar gun. A > buddy I was > > riding with > > coasted by at 62, an according to the chief he > didn't > > want to pull in > > front of me to cause me to brake too hard. > Thanks. He > > was a nice enough > > guy tho, no hassles, no speaches and reduced it to > a 56 > > in a 40. The fine > > is $130, not to bad, what worries me is the > points. Do > > they carry over to > > VA or to insurance? Anyone know of a good lawyer > in Hardy > > County.. hell > > even A lawyer, haven't been able to find jack. > Just > > trying to avoid > > padding the insurance co's coffers even more. > > > > Dan > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 14:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UIi1Si027878; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:44:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UIi1IG027872; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:44:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dan , Fish Flowers Subject: Re: Toolkit Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:28 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: DC-Cycles References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0209301442280C.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 24 September 2002 11:56, dan wrote: > > I would like to carry around some basic tools when I ride. What do y'all > > carry with you when you hit the road? I haven't the faintest idea where > > to begin. > > I carry a screw driver, vise grips (or Robo-grips), zip ties, duct tape, > tire plugs & pump and really need to add a mag light to the kit too. > I've got... a mag lite... and a leatherman when I remember to put it back (it's not there now). And of course my cell. > Dan Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 15:22:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UJMJSi028151; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:22:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UJMJBe028138; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:22:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Carl Schelin'" , dan , Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Toolkit Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:20:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Check out those little key chain LED lights they are really bright and only weigh in at a couple of ounces. They are great I have one on every keychain I have. A lot smaller than a Magi light. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 2:42 PM To: dan; Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Toolkit On Tuesday 24 September 2002 11:56, dan wrote: > > I would like to carry around some basic tools when I ride. What do y'all > > carry with you when you hit the road? I haven't the faintest idea where > > to begin. > > I carry a screw driver, vise grips (or Robo-grips), zip ties, duct tape, > tire plugs & pump and really need to add a mag light to the kit too. > I've got... a mag lite... and a leatherman when I remember to put it back (it's not there now). And of course my cell. > Dan Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 16:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UKHQSi028527; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:17:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UKHORG028508; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:17:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020930201722.81403.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: WV ticket help To: Glenn Dysart , dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020930184236.51313.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm fairly certain that west virginia administrative procedure will dictate just what information is relayed to the virginia dmv; virginia administrative procedure will dictate how that information affects the driving record; and i ain't got a clue about administrative procedure in either state! however, if he fights the ticket, he could conceivably be charged with and found guilty of the heightened offense.... this happened to me once in maryland. got slammed for $505 fines (3) across the board. :( btw, why do you say he will be charged with "20 over" when the ticket is 16 over? is that what va. calls a 10-19 over ticket? --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Since he was charged with speeding, VA will treat it > as a 20 over speeding ticket if/when it transfers no > matter if he ws going 90 in a 40. > > Glenn > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > 56 in a 40 will, i think, be treated by virginia as > > a > > speeding 10-19 over. appearing at trial before an > > angry > > wva judge just might result in a conviction for 68 > > in a 40, > > "reckless driving" according to virginia law. > > something to > > think about.... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 17:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ULfsSi029162; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:41:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ULfpB6029143; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:41:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020930214139.36415.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: WV ticket help To: Tom Gimer , dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020930201722.81403.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i'm fairly certain that west virginia administrative > procedure will dictate just what information is > relayed to > the virginia dmv; virginia administrative procedure > will > dictate how that information affects the driving > record; > and i ain't got a clue about administrative > procedure in > either state! > What I'm saying is that unless he was charged with Reckless which is seems he was not, if it transfers as a speeding ticket, regardless of the speed he was going it will be put on his record as speeding in VA. > however, if he fights the ticket, he could > conceivably be > charged with and found guilty of the heightened > offense.... > this happened to me once in maryland. got slammed > for > $505 fines (3) across the board. :( > That sucks. > btw, why do you say he will be charged with "20 > over" when > the ticket is 16 over? is that what va. calls a > 10-19 over > ticket? > What I was referring to is if the judge says "boy, I'm going to find you guilty of what you were really doing... 68 in a 40". Then when it transfers to VA it will be listed a 20 over ticket and nothing else. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 17:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8ULqVSi029239; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:52:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8ULqVqF029227; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:52:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020930215229.71505.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: WV ticket help To: Glenn Dysart , dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020930214139.36415.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i'm fairly certain that west virginia administrative > > procedure will dictate just what information is > > relayed to > > the virginia dmv; virginia administrative procedure > > will > > dictate how that information affects the driving > > record; > > and i ain't got a clue about administrative > > procedure in > > either state! > > > What I'm saying is that unless he was charged with > Reckless which is seems he was not, if it transfers as > a speeding ticket, regardless of the speed he was > going it will be put on his record as speeding in VA. that's good. you gotta always worry that virginia will do whatever it takes to get those serious offenses onto your record where they seem to stay forever. > > btw, why do you say he will be charged with "20 > > over" when > > the ticket is 16 over? is that what va. calls a > > 10-19 over > > ticket? > > > > What I was referring to is if the judge says "boy, I'm > going to find you guilty of what you were really > doing... 68 in a 40". Then when it transfers to VA it > will be listed a 20 over ticket and nothing else. there you have it, folks. good advice (albeit unverified) from mr. dysart who sounds as if he's been through his share of traffic citations in and around the area.... :) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 19:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UN4USi029976; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:04:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8UN4UxP029962; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:04:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.224.173.2] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: www.dcsportbikes.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:03:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2002 23:03:23.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[93C7C1E0:01C268D5] Just started up http://www.dcsportbikes.com, dedicated to DC area riding. I was completely bored since sportbikes.net is no more. Check out the site, and REGISTER! Sorry for the shameless promotion. Cheers Sanath _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 21:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g911KASi030751; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:20:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g911K1Jk030732; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:20:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006901c268e8$a5b04810$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: References: Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:15:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cycles USA has 954's for sale under invoice. They ordered a few more and selling them low. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keiser" To: ; Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... > Well said, Paul. And I concur! > > Big shock. ;) > > Just thought you like an opinion from my gen VFR. > > They really are great all around bikes. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 (quickly approaching 30k) > > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "DCCycles" > Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:34:58 -0400 > > I'm highly biased, of course, but I'd give the VFR (any of the three > versions from 1990 to 2001) a serious look. Each model run has > plusses/minuses. You can easily find immaculate low mileage ones for not > much money, and there is a thriving aftermarket, lots of used parts, and > they are equally happy carving the twisties solo or loaded down with a > passenger and full bags on the slab. Long distance, short distance, > commuting, they do it all. They appeal to more mature riders, so the > used specimens tend not to have been thrashed too hard. And you won't find > a nicer bunch of folks if you attend various VFR-centric events or DC-Cycles > Bike Nights... :) > > Listen hard to those inner voices that say you *really* want a VFR! My > inner voices told me that too and I have no regrets. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > To: "DCCycles" > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... > > > > I would say VFR too. I have a 91 with bags. In about > > a week it will be my only form of transport.... > > > > Mark > > > > > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > > The vintage DCCycles guys are probably wincing about > > > now since I always recommend a Ninja 250. But . . . > > > since you already said you want a VFR, may I > > > recommend > > > a VFR. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 21:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g911fdSi030863; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:41:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g911fdgl030855; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:41:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:39:00 -0400 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: missing helmet To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dccycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I thought about the ID in the helmet too but here are my thoughts. If they were sleazy enough to grab my helmet with me no more than 20 yards down the road (believe me, I can't push my bike any further than that) then they might be sleazy enough to come to my house and grab a motorcycle to match their new helmet!!! There is no way that they could have grabbed my helmet and missed me pushing my bike along the curb less than 20 yards later, there are no cross streets or driveways or I would have pulled off there in the first place. From: Carl Schelin To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:40:27 -0400 On Tuesday 24 September 2002 12:28, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/23/2002 10:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > lisagoddard@XXXXXX writes: > > "my helmet is not where > > I left it no more than 10 minutes ago" > > That sucks. You can hope it was a good Samaritan who thought it had fallen > off of someones bike and is trying to get it back to its owner. And I can > fly. > Just a whacky thought. How many of us have contact information in the helmet? My wife gave me a red cross type card in a plastic holder that I put in the liner of the helmet. I've seen the sticker types that go on the outside of the helmet instructing people not to remove the helmet in case of accident as well as contact info. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 21:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g911iUSi030903; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:44:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g911iUHS030897; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:44:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:44:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: www.dcstandardbikes.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Sanath S wrote: > Just started up http://www.dcsportbikes.com, dedicated to DC area > riding. I have a sudden urge to register http://www.dcstandardbikes.com/. Or http://www.dctourers.com/? http://www.dcboringbikes.com/? Fish. actually a big fan of standards From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 21:46:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g911keSi030954; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:46:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g911keYb030946; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:46:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D98FE77.A9D729CB@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:46:31 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "abate_md@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles , "SOC-USA@XXXXXX" , "SOCMd@XXXXXX" Subject: [Fwd: [Mig] Biker's Credo] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.157.126.244] at Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:46:30 -0500 > This was sent to me on another biker mailing list =) Thought it was cool, > so I also thought I would share. > > Biker's Credo > 1. I ride purely, and only, because it is fun. > 2. I ride because I enjoy the freedom I feel from being exposed to the > elements, and the vulnerability to the danger that is intrinsic to riding. > 3. I do not ride because it is fashionable to do so. > 4. I ride my machine, not wear it. My machine is not a symbol of status. It > exists simply for me, and me alone. My machine is not a toy. It is an > extension of my being, and I will treat it accordingly, with the same > respect as I have for myself. > 5. I strive to understand the inner-workings of my machine, from the most > basic to the most complex. I will learn everything I can about my machine, > so that I am reliant upon no one but myself for its health and well-being. > 6. I strive to constantly better my skill of control over my machine. I > will learn its limits, and use my skill to become one with my machine so > that we may keep each other alive. I am the master, it is the servant. > Working together in harmony, we will become an invincible team. > 7. I do not fear death. I will, however, do all possible to avoid death > prematurely. Fear is the enemy, not death. Fear on the highway leads to > death, therefore I will not let fear be my master. I will master it. > 8. My machines will outlive me. Therefore, they are my legacy. I will care > for them for future bikers to cherish as I have cherished them, whoever > they may be. > 9. I do not ride to gain attention, respect, or fear from those that do NOT > ride, nor do I wish to intimidate or annoy them. For those that do not know > me, all I wish from them is to ignore me. For those that desire to know me, > I will share with them the truth of myself, so that they might understand > me and not fear others like me. > 10. I will never be the aggressor on the highway. However, should others > mess with me, their aggression will be dealt with in as severe a manner as > I can cast upon them. > 11. I will show respect to other bikers more experienced or knowledgeable > than I am. I will learn from them all I can. > 12. I will not show disrespect to other bikers less experienced or > knowledgeable than I am. I will teach them what I can. > 13. It will be my task to mentor new riders, that so desire, into the > lifestyle of the biker, so that the breed shall continue. I shall instruct > them, as I have been instructed by those before me. I shall preserve and > honor traditions of bikers before me, and I will pass them on unaltered. > 14. I will not judge other bikers on their choice of machine, their > appearance, or their profession. I will judge them only on their conduct as > bikers. I am proud of my accomplishments as a biker, though I will not > flaunt them to others. If they ask, I will share them. > 15. I will stand ready to help any other biker that truly needs my help. I > will never ask another biker to do for me what I can do for myself. > 16. I am not a part-time biker. I am a biker when, and where ever I go. I > am proud to be a biker, and I hide my chosen lifestyle from no one. > 17. I ride because I love freedom, independence, and the movement of the > ground beneath me. But most of all, I ride to better understand myself, my > machine, the lands in which I ride, and to seek out and know other bikers > like myself. > -Author Unknown- > > -- > ---- > "Knowing others is wisdom, knowing your self is Enlightenment." > -- Lao-Tzu > _______________________________________________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 21:54:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g911s1Si031051; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:54:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g911s05Z031043; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:54:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:53:53 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: www.dcstandardbikes.com To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3D990031.2C3425E6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Fish Flowers wrote: > I have a sudden urge to register http://www.dcstandardbikes.com/. Or > http://www.dctourers.com/? http://www.dcboringbikes.com/? > > Fish. > actually a big fan of standards I'm a big fan of http://www.dcanythingbutchaindrivebikes.com What a way cool site. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 22:05:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9125NSi031267; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:05:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9125NNh031260; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:05:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D990228.53A6F19B@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:02:16 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles , dan@XXXXXX Subject: WV ticket help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm...that'll be tough. Last I checked with the DMV WVa and VA "share" information so it prolly would show up on your insurance. Seems like the only thing to do would be to get a lawyer but cops love out of state folks cuz' it nots too likely they'll come in to get the things reduced. 130 bucks for 16 over seems quite high...STINKING CRAP. If you go to fight the ticket and plead notguilty in the hearing then you have to hang around for a few more hours to have the case tried. But I suppose "no contest" can do wonders if the judge is nice. Sat in on one in Arlington a while ago and there were a couple of judges hearing people. First one was a guy who was pretty funny and didn't let anyone off, but the second lady was a total pain and didn't let anyone off with anything. No humor no smiles just a money collecting.... You can always take a driver improvement bull shit class to get 6 pts knocked off your record but points prolly aren't your problem. If you're 6 years clean then you shouldn't have to worry about anything unless you have at fault accidents. If you can find a lawyer then wonderful....otherwise you may have to pay for the freedom to pay for the freedom, etc.... Regardless, good luck and best wishes. Pax, Carl Parker P.S. Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living in this area for a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and have been around too long or because there's just getting to be too much money in everything...or both. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 22:10:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g912ARSi031329; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:10:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g912ARD4031321; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:10:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D990357.A5665168@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:07:19 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, unless something outstanding comes leaping out at me, I'll prolly opt for the VFR. Seen a couple of good 94-97's around for my price range and am seriously going ot persue them. My inner voice is thinking VFR and of all the voices to listen to the inner ones seem to be spot on more of the time. If anyone sees any listed elsewhere then please let me know if it's not too much trouble! Thanks for ya'llz input and I always welcome ideas, even ones that appear randomly. Pax, Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 22:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g912uxSi031601; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:56:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g912uwqD031590; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:56:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: carl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:56:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 02:56:50.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[30CB7980:01C268F6] 'atta boy! We're proud of ya! ;) Will keep the eyes open for ya. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Carl Parker To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:07:19 -0400 Yeah, unless something outstanding comes leaping out at me, I'll prolly opt for the VFR. Seen a couple of good 94-97's around for my price range and am seriously going ot persue them. My inner voice is thinking VFR and of all the voices to listen to the inner ones seem to be spot on more of the time. If anyone sees any listed elsewhere then please let me know if it's not too much trouble! Thanks for ya'llz input and I always welcome ideas, even ones that appear randomly. Pax, Carl Parker _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 23:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9131MSi031780; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:01:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9131Mgo031771; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:01:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020930225943.0233ddd8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:00:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... Cc: carl@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 03:00:24.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[B01DC620:01C268F6] At 10:56 PM 9/30/2002, Carl wrote: >Yeah, unless something outstanding comes leaping out at me, I'll >prolly opt for the VFR. Seen a couple of good 94-97's around for my >price range and am seriously going ot persue them. >My inner voice is thinking VFR and of all the voices to listen to the >inner ones seem to be spot on more of the time. You can take mine out for a spin. I'm loving the new tires. Get a '97 - the last year before Japan spoiled the design ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 30 23:58:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g913wXSi032043; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:58:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g913wWST032034; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:58:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001035830.21739.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:58:30 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Mig] Biker's Credo] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D98FE77.A9D729CB@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > 4. I ride my machine, not wear it. My machine is not a symbol of > status. It > > exists simply for me, and me alone. My machine is not a toy. It is > an extension of my being, and I will treat it accordingly, with the > same respect as I have for myself. Hmm, I bathe myself regularly. my bike hardly ever. So much for respect. > > 5. I strive to understand the inner-workings of my machine, from > the most basic to the most complex. and how many quake at the thought of changing their own oil? > > 6. I strive to constantly better my skill of control over my > machine. I > > will learn its limits, and use my skill to become one with my > machine so > > that we may keep each other alive. could have fooled me. The death toll of sportbikers "learing their limits" seems rather high. Not to mention the venue of choice is foolhardy at best. > I am the master, it is the servant. that'll be the day sportbike insurance rates are the same as standards. > > 7. I do not fear death. I will, however, do all possible to avoid > death > > prematurely. Fear is the enemy, not death. Fear on the highway > leads to > > death, therefore I will not let fear be my master. I will master > it. What about addrenaline or the rush from living on the edge? That seems to claim plenty of souls if not machinery. > > 8. My machines will outlive me. Therefore, they are my legacy. I > will care > > for them for future bikers to cherish as I have cherished them, > whoever > > they may be. Not when I'm normally done with them. At that point they should be good for parts and that's about it. > > 10. I will never be the aggressor on the highway. However, should > others > > mess with me, their aggression will be dealt with in as severe a > manner as > > I can cast upon them. er, kicking in doors? shooting at them ala MI-2? What nonsense. > > 12. I will not show disrespect to other bikers less experienced or > > knowledgeable than I am. I will teach them what I can. Or take them on group rides with advanced fellows who regularly throw caution to the wind and then the poor sucker/newbie in a valient effort to "be the big dog" ends up hurt. > > 17. I ride because I love freedom, independence, and the movement > of the ground beneath me. Hmm, I'm a biker because I want to get from point A to point B. That not good enough? ===== I'll believe in evolution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com